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  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 4,358
    AnneJGP said:

    Just imagine being your full weight again after all that time.
    In reality their weight didn't reduce much.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,066
    MaxPB said:

    viewcode said:

    MaxPB said:

    https://www.vox.com/politics/403364/tik-tok-young-voters-2024-election-democrats-david-shor

    And if you look at people under the age of 25, every single group — white, nonwhite, male or female — is considerably more conservative than their millennial counterparts. And it even seems that Donald Trump narrowly won nonwhite 18-year-old men, which is not something that has ever happened in Democratic politics before.

    More vulnerable to Putin's social media propaganda perhaps?
    No, it's just cyclical pushback from the youth revelling against wokeism. In the 60s it was flower power vs war, in the 90s it was grunge vs capitalism, now it's tradvalues vs wokeism.

    The youth will always, always rebel against what is today's normal and for the past 10 years we've had woke and DEI shoved down our throats by liberals so they're doing exactly what the youth of other generations have done and telling their elders to get fucked. I wish millennials had even an ounce of their bravery on this, we are without a doubt the lamest gen with parents that were selfish who made us virtue signallers (largely).
    "We"? I figured you for Gen X (born 1965 to 1980). If I am wrong, congrats on reaching such a high status so young.
    Millennial, pretty much in the middle of the generation too I think.
    After leaving your last role are you still considering your options / being a full time dad?
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 13,139
    edited March 18
    #eurovision My early favourites are Australia and Latvia. (Favourites as in what I like, not in the betting sense of think they will win. I have no idea what will win.)
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,066
    edited March 18
    Not a good 48 hrs for the Art of the Deal approach to world politics. That Noble Peace Prize isn't looking likely.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,066

    #eurovision My early favourites are Australia and Latvia. (Favourites as in what I like, not in the betting sense of think they will win. I have no idea what will win.)

    Australia? Checks map of Europe....
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,357

    What a surprise - Putin rejects an unconditional ceasefire. He wants to keep bombing and killing innocent Ukrainians. He wants Ukraine disarmed. He wants Ukraine neutralised. He wants to make Ukraine a vassal state of Russia. He isn’t negotiating. He’s laughing at us.

    https://x.com/BorisJohnson/status/1902117437018903037

    Behind closed doors here, Putin said he’s demanding recognition of all annexed Ukrainian territory in talks with the US, per Kommersant.

    If that happens, Russia “won’t claim Odesa and other territories currently part of Ukraine. But that may change”

    https://x.com/maxseddon/status/1902123775677661291
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 4,358

    AnneJGP said:

    Just imagine being your full weight again after all that time.
    In reality their weight didn't reduce much.
    Approximately 2% less when in orbit.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,066
    The record for a single trip into space currently stands at 437 days, but prolonged periods in orbit can alter an astronaut's body in some surprising ways, changing their muscles, brains and even their gut bacteria.

    https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20230927-what-a-long-term-mission-in-space-does-to-the-human-body
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,061

    Not a good 48 hrs for the Art of the Deal approach to world politics. That Noble Peace Prize isn't looking likely.

    The Nobbled Peace Prize maybe.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 4,862
    Nigelb said:

    Medicaid has an insane favorability among Americans and a lot of Democrats in Congress are just going to roll over and let them attack it
    https://x.com/USA_Polling/status/1902026176417202589

    That’s because in their eyes they get no thanks from the electorate and have decided to let everything come crashing down so the GOP can totally own it .

  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,226

    #eurovision My early favourites are Australia and Latvia. (Favourites as in what I like, not in the betting sense of think they will win. I have no idea what will win.)

    Australia? Checks map of Europe....
    Australia have participated since 2015...
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,061
    Hodges said:

    Btw

    Putin proceeds to bomb a power station directly after promising Trump he wouldn't.... Trump is going to get schooled in the Russian art of the deal.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/03/18/russia-ukraine-zelensky-putin-peace-talks-war-latest-news/

    Its nice to see Trump getting humiliated a shame it happens this way and to the benefit of russia.
    They are taking the piss, Donald.

    They are laughing at you.

    Saying you are weak.

    You're not going to stand for that, are you Donald?

    So what are you going to do?

    No Donald, put the nuclear football down...
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,066
    edited March 18

    #eurovision My early favourites are Australia and Latvia. (Favourites as in what I like, not in the betting sense of think they will win. I have no idea what will win.)

    Australia? Checks map of Europe....
    Australia have participated since 2015...
    As you can tell, I am a keen follower of Eurovision.

    Sounds a bit like the European Tour (of Golf) ended up spending more time outside of Europe than inside Europe before their rebrand to "DP World" Tour.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,734

    What a surprise - Putin rejects an unconditional ceasefire. He wants to keep bombing and killing innocent Ukrainians. He wants Ukraine disarmed. He wants Ukraine neutralised. He wants to make Ukraine a vassal state of Russia. He isn’t negotiating. He’s laughing at us.

    https://x.com/BorisJohnson/status/1902117437018903037

    Bloody hell. I am starting to finally like Boris after all these years.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,696

    MaxPB said:

    viewcode said:

    MaxPB said:

    https://www.vox.com/politics/403364/tik-tok-young-voters-2024-election-democrats-david-shor

    And if you look at people under the age of 25, every single group — white, nonwhite, male or female — is considerably more conservative than their millennial counterparts. And it even seems that Donald Trump narrowly won nonwhite 18-year-old men, which is not something that has ever happened in Democratic politics before.

    More vulnerable to Putin's social media propaganda perhaps?
    No, it's just cyclical pushback from the youth revelling against wokeism. In the 60s it was flower power vs war, in the 90s it was grunge vs capitalism, now it's tradvalues vs wokeism.

    The youth will always, always rebel against what is today's normal and for the past 10 years we've had woke and DEI shoved down our throats by liberals so they're doing exactly what the youth of other generations have done and telling their elders to get fucked. I wish millennials had even an ounce of their bravery on this, we are without a doubt the lamest gen with parents that were selfish who made us virtue signallers (largely).
    "We"? I figured you for Gen X (born 1965 to 1980). If I am wrong, congrats on reaching such a high status so young.
    Millennial, pretty much in the middle of the generation too I think.
    After leaving your last role are you still considering your options / being a full time dad?
    Still just taking it easy, I've had a few consulting days here and there and I'm not in any rush to make a decision. The Italian farm option holds more and more appeal to me though.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,066
    edited March 18

    What a surprise - Putin rejects an unconditional ceasefire. He wants to keep bombing and killing innocent Ukrainians. He wants Ukraine disarmed. He wants Ukraine neutralised. He wants to make Ukraine a vassal state of Russia. He isn’t negotiating. He’s laughing at us.

    https://x.com/BorisJohnson/status/1902117437018903037

    Bloody hell. I am starting to finally like Boris after all these years.
    He is batting on the flattest of flat tracks on this issue.....
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 13,139

    #eurovision My early favourites are Australia and Latvia. (Favourites as in what I like, not in the betting sense of think they will win. I have no idea what will win.)

    Australia? Checks map of Europe....
    Since Trump, Europe has become more than a continent. It is a state of mind, a bastion of democracy and freedom, that welcomes Australia into its bosom.
  • eekeek Posts: 29,418

    What a surprise - Putin rejects an unconditional ceasefire. He wants to keep bombing and killing innocent Ukrainians. He wants Ukraine disarmed. He wants Ukraine neutralised. He wants to make Ukraine a vassal state of Russia. He isn’t negotiating. He’s laughing at us.

    https://x.com/BorisJohnson/status/1902117437018903037

    If it’s obvious enough that Bozo has noticed Trump should grasp the fact he’s been utterly played in about 2 years time
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,061

    Message from wifey: “I keep hearing doors bang downstairs. We’re all upstairs”. OK, in the house or in the shop (same building). “Shop”.

    We’ve had this before. Building dates back to 1795 with multiple ghosts observed. Doors banging in what was the bank we’ve all heard, just as I have sat in my office (in the bank) hearing someone walk down the corridor in the house (above my head) when nobody is in…

    You need to do a blog.

    "FUCK ME!! WE'RE PROPERLY HAUNTED" That should get some attention...
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,834
    nico67 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Medicaid has an insane favorability among Americans and a lot of Democrats in Congress are just going to roll over and let them attack it
    https://x.com/USA_Polling/status/1902026176417202589

    That’s because in their eyes they get no thanks from the electorate and have decided to let everything come crashing down so the GOP can totally own it .

    I think tbh that's the rationale they make to themselves to excuse their gutlessness. The duty of opposition is to oppose.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,061
    Has Leon died of Uruguayan Ennui yet?
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,009

    What a surprise - Putin rejects an unconditional ceasefire. He wants to keep bombing and killing innocent Ukrainians. He wants Ukraine disarmed. He wants Ukraine neutralised. He wants to make Ukraine a vassal state of Russia. He isn’t negotiating. He’s laughing at us.

    https://x.com/BorisJohnson/status/1902117437018903037

    Bloody hell. I am starting to finally like Boris after all these years.
    Beware the bullshitters of March



    https://x.com/davidgauke/status/1891977091517706557?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,066
    Israel has "resumed combat in full force" against Hamas in the Gaza Strip, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said on Tuesday night.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,834

    #eurovision My early favourites are Australia and Latvia. (Favourites as in what I like, not in the betting sense of think they will win. I have no idea what will win.)

    Australia? Checks map of Europe....
    Since Trump, Europe has become more than a continent. It is a state of mind, a bastion of democracy and freedom, that welcomes Australia into its bosom.
    The eight-year-old in my head just went "fnarr fnarr" at the fact you said "bosom" 😀
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,061

    TimS said:


    ‪Phillips OBrien‬ ‪@phillipspobrien.bsky.social‬
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    3m
    Putin wants an energy/infrastructure only ceasefire. A sign that these attacks by Ukraine are having real impact and he's worried by then. Ukraine should consider rejecting Putin's selective ceasefire and get something broader than helps Ukraine.

    Smash a bunch more while thinking about it....

    Then think some more. And smash some more.

    Putin is incredibly vulnerable on this.

    See if he is vulnerable enough to properly discuss peace.
    A fortnightly call between Trump and Putin where Putin presents his latest ceasefire plan might be a handy targeting tool for Ukraine.
    Those Ukrainian drones aren't much use during a ceasefire. Send them all off before hand. Watch the ruble plunge. See if Trump is going to buy rubles to prop it up...

    Don’t be foolish. Think MAGA

    So Zelensky goes on TV to announce a ceasefire on blowing up Russian oil refineries. While quadrupling drone strikes on refineries. Then denying that they are strikes

    “Our sight seeing drones were trying to study the world famous spires of Russian cathedrals. But accidentally went of course and exploded.”
    They didn't accidentally go off course. The change was due to Russian electronic warfare that made them hit the Russian oil refineries.

    So it is Putin's fault.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,501

    #eurovision My early favourites are Australia and Latvia. (Favourites as in what I like, not in the betting sense of think they will win. I have no idea what will win.)

    Australia? Checks map of Europe....
    Since Trump, Europe has become more than a continent. It is a state of mind, a bastion of democracy and freedom, that welcomes Australia into its bosom.
    Eurovision was ahead of it's time, as always.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,698
    Anything juicy? Harry's files were a [redacted] letdown... 😂
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,501
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 4,862
    viewcode said:

    nico67 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Medicaid has an insane favorability among Americans and a lot of Democrats in Congress are just going to roll over and let them attack it
    https://x.com/USA_Polling/status/1902026176417202589

    That’s because in their eyes they get no thanks from the electorate and have decided to let everything come crashing down so the GOP can totally own it .

    I think tbh that's the rationale they make to themselves to excuse their gutlessness. The duty of opposition is to oppose.
    There’s not a great deal they can do to stop the GOP at the moment . They think they’ll have a better chance of gaining electoral advantage if they wait until more financial pain has been dished out by Trump.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,140

    The record for a single trip into space currently stands at 437 days, but prolonged periods in orbit can alter an astronaut's body in some surprising ways, changing their muscles, brains and even their gut bacteria.

    https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20230927-what-a-long-term-mission-in-space-does-to-the-human-body

    It's changed the bloke on the left into Wayne Rooney.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,011

    Has Leon died of Uruguayan Ennui yet?

    No, but I nearly just died of a "traditional Uruguayan steak sandwich" which was approxmately the size of Uruguay itself
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,834
    ohnotnow said:
    1,123 pdfs if I remember correctly
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,227
    GIN1138 said:

    Anything juicy? Harry's files were a [redacted] letdown... 😂
    I clicked on one randomly and it's a document about the CIA planning to conduct acts of sabotage like inducing crop failure in Cuba.

    https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/2025/0318/202-10001-10203.pdf
  • HodgesHodges Posts: 10
    This from the telegraph. What is really going on.

    Putin has played his familiar trick of agreeing to something that binds Ukraine’s hands much more tightly than his own.

    But the relative lack of substance in the readout must itself raise suspicions.

    Two presidents do not need to talk for 90 minutes to serve up the thin gruel in the public account of their call.

    What else did Mr Trump and Putin discuss and what private agreements might they have made?

    Ukraine and the rest of Europe are not party to these talks: they can only guess at what could be happening behind the scenes.

    The only certainty is that the dismal pattern whereby Putin concedes nothing and offers nothing, while Trump declines to respond with any hint of steel, remains the order of the day.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,698
    edited March 18

    GIN1138 said:

    Anything juicy? Harry's files were a [redacted] letdown... 😂
    I clicked on one randomly and it's a document about the CIA planning to conduct acts of sabotage like inducing crop failure in Cuba.

    https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/2025/0318/202-10001-10203.pdf
    Yeah, but what everyone wants to know is whether the CIA/Lyndon B. Johnson murdered JFK?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,554
    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Anything juicy? Harry's files were a [redacted] letdown... 😂
    I clicked on one randomly and it's a document about the CIA planning to conduct acts of sabotage like inducing crop failure in Cuba.

    https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/2025/0318/202-10001-10203.pdf
    Yeah, but what everyone wants to know is whether the CIA/Lyndon B. Johnson murdered JFK?
    It was suicide.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,227
    https://x.com/cb_doge/status/1902141656268443899

    President Trump on Attacks on Tesla:

    "I do think this is an act of domestic terrorism. When we catch those people, you will find out that they were paid by people who were very highly political on the left."
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,834

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Anything juicy? Harry's files were a [redacted] letdown... 😂
    I clicked on one randomly and it's a document about the CIA planning to conduct acts of sabotage like inducing crop failure in Cuba.

    https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/2025/0318/202-10001-10203.pdf
    Yeah, but what everyone wants to know is whether the CIA/Lyndon B. Johnson murdered JFK?
    It was suicide.
    As revealed in the historical document code-named "Red Dwarf" IIRC.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,097
    Leon said:

    Has Leon died of Uruguayan Ennui yet?

    No, but I nearly just died of a "traditional Uruguayan steak sandwich" which was approxmately the size of Uruguay itself
    Sounds like they've got their culture fully sorted out in that case, all priorities correct.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,097

    What a surprise - Putin rejects an unconditional ceasefire. He wants to keep bombing and killing innocent Ukrainians. He wants Ukraine disarmed. He wants Ukraine neutralised. He wants to make Ukraine a vassal state of Russia. He isn’t negotiating. He’s laughing at us.

    https://x.com/BorisJohnson/status/1902117437018903037

    Bloody hell. I am starting to finally like Boris after all these years.
    He's only just noticed though? I know he's been keeping relatively quiet but he's not that dumb.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,734
    "As you sow, so shall you reap" latest..



    Elon Musk

    @elonmusk
    ·
    7h
    This level of violence is insane and deeply wrong.

    Tesla just makes electric cars and has done nothing to deserve these evil attacks.

  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,227

    "As you sow, so shall you reap" latest..

    Elon Musk

    @elonmusk
    ·
    7h
    This level of violence is insane and deeply wrong.

    Tesla just makes electric cars and has done nothing to deserve these evil attacks.

    It genuinely is possible that attacks on Tesla could become the flashpoint for more widespread civil unrest. The US government can't tolerate it any more than we could tolerate people burning hotels last summer.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,734

    "As you sow, so shall you reap" latest..

    Elon Musk

    @elonmusk
    ·
    7h
    This level of violence is insane and deeply wrong.

    Tesla just makes electric cars and has done nothing to deserve these evil attacks.

    It genuinely is possible that attacks on Tesla could become the flashpoint for more widespread civil unrest. The US government can't tolerate it any more than we could tolerate people burning hotels last summer.
    I literally have no idea what "The USA government" means any more. But it certainly aint what the US government was six months ago.

  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,408
    edited March 18

    "As you sow, so shall you reap" latest..

    Elon Musk

    @elonmusk
    ·
    7h
    This level of violence is insane and deeply wrong.

    Tesla just makes electric cars and has done nothing to deserve these evil attacks.

    It genuinely is possible that attacks on Tesla could become the flashpoint for more widespread civil unrest. The US government can't tolerate it any more than we could tolerate people burning hotels last summer.
    It's the people in the hotels we were worried about getting burned. So, unless they're burning tesla drivers, it's not quite the same thing.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,950
    edited March 18

    Where I think the difference with Trump is re immigration. Everybody knows there are 10s millions of illegal immigrants in US. Most of just let be for a very long time and form part of the unseen economy which drives lots of important sectors.

    If I was one of those people, now I would be really worried that I break some minor law (and the US really love having lots of laws on the books) and before I know it I get shipped out with the gang bangers without ever being able to explain that you have absolutely no connection to that world.

    But why are you (ie. they) there if you've broken the law on being an illegal migrant? The fact is most ordinary voters believe the laws on illegal migration should always have been enforced right from the start, and don't understand why they haven't been over the years.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,834
    edited March 18
    carnforth said:

    "As you sow, so shall you reap" latest..

    Elon Musk

    @elonmusk
    ·
    7h
    This level of violence is insane and deeply wrong.

    Tesla just makes electric cars and has done nothing to deserve these evil attacks.

    It genuinely is possible that attacks on Tesla could become the flashpoint for more widespread civil unrest. The US government can't tolerate it any more than we could tolerate people burning hotels last summer.
    It's the people in the hotels we were worried about getting burned. So, unless they're burning tesla drivers, it's not quite the same thing.
    In fairness, if you launch enough arson attacks then you will eventually kill somebody.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,227
    https://x.com/atrupar/status/1902147244024799724

    INGRAHAM: You're tougher with Canada than you are with our biggest adversaries. Why?

    TRUMP: Only because it's meant to be our 51st state. One of the nastiest countries to deal with is Canada.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,066
    edited 12:07AM
    Andy_JS said:

    Where I think the difference with Trump is re immigration. Everybody knows there are 10s millions of illegal immigrants in US. Most of just let be for a very long time and form part of the unseen economy which drives lots of important sectors.

    If I was one of those people, now I would be really worried that I break some minor law (and the US really love having lots of laws on the books) and before I know it I get shipped out with the gang bangers without ever being able to explain that you have absolutely no connection to that world.

    But why are you (ie. they) there if you've broken the law on being an illegal migrant? The fact is most ordinary voters believe the laws on illegal migration should always have been enforced right from the start, and don't understand why they haven't been over the years.
    Until this recent shift to much higher numbers and particularly lots of people claiming asylum and overwhelming the system, I think the US public were much more relaxed about undocumented individuals being in the US to work. There was much more support for things route to citizenship for those who had been in the US a long time and no criminal record.

    Also the US have for a long time had a slightly odd relationship with what is the law and what is enforced when it comes to those there illegally (or as they like to say undocumented workers). Not just the so called "sanctuary cities", but what to us seems a bit odd that you are there illegally but you openly send you kids to public schools, people are able to get certain IDs, pay taxes, etc.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,097

    https://x.com/atrupar/status/1902147244024799724

    INGRAHAM: You're tougher with Canada than you are with our biggest adversaries. Why?

    TRUMP: Only because it's meant to be our 51st state. One of the nastiest countries to deal with is Canada.

    This 51st state stuff feels like he was making a joke and no one laughed hard enough so he's decided he has to seriously pursue it because otherwise it means he failed at something and people will think less of him.

    I'm sure most of his supporters have dutifully turned on Canada, but there has to be some confusion around it surely?
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 4,862
    edited 12:14AM
    Andy_JS said:

    Where I think the difference with Trump is re immigration. Everybody knows there are 10s millions of illegal immigrants in US. Most of just let be for a very long time and form part of the unseen economy which drives lots of important sectors.

    If I was one of those people, now I would be really worried that I break some minor law (and the US really love having lots of laws on the books) and before I know it I get shipped out with the gang bangers without ever being able to explain that you have absolutely no connection to that world.

    But why are you (ie. they) there if you've broken the law on being an illegal migrant? The fact is most ordinary voters believe the laws on illegal migration should always have been enforced right from the start, and don't understand why they haven't been over the years.
    Because it suited successive governments and was allowed to happen . Agriculture , construction and hospitality rely heavily on undocumented workers .
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 3,082
    Amazing just how weak America looks after today. Played by Putin
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,554
    nico67 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Where I think the difference with Trump is re immigration. Everybody knows there are 10s millions of illegal immigrants in US. Most of just let be for a very long time and form part of the unseen economy which drives lots of important sectors.

    If I was one of those people, now I would be really worried that I break some minor law (and the US really love having lots of laws on the books) and before I know it I get shipped out with the gang bangers without ever being able to explain that you have absolutely no connection to that world.

    But why are you (ie. they) there if you've broken the law on being an illegal migrant? The fact is most ordinary voters believe the laws on illegal migration should always have been enforced right from the start, and don't understand why they haven't been over the years.
    Because it suited successive governments and was allowed to happen . Agriculture , construction and hospitality rely heavily on undocumented workers .
    Because they are non-union workers and therefore cheaper.

    Hence the comedy when unions try to unionise illegals. You’d think they were wiping their arses on the flag, the way some people go on about it.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,840
    Just for a moment I thought Elon Musk had done something even more awful than before.

    I'm relieved to see that it's just a headline about even Reform supporters realising how awful he is. Nice to have some good news relating to events in the USA for a change.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,840
    edited 12:58AM

    "As you sow, so shall you reap" latest..



    Elon Musk

    @elonmusk
    ·
    7h
    This level of violence is insane and deeply wrong.

    Tesla just makes electric cars and has done nothing to deserve these evil attacks.

    The phrases "can dish it out" and "can't take it" spring immediately to mind.
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,583
    TimS said:

    DavidL said:

    IanB2 said:

    algarkirk said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    4x increase in support for Donald Trump from LibDem voters in less than two weeks is surely the big story here.

    I thought the only story in town was the rumour Radiohead might be producing new music?
    Why do you think I'm spending so little time on here these days?
    I thought you were too busy trying to drink all that Californian wine in your cellar before your sense of national duty gets the better of you ;)
    Wine from blue states get a blue tick. The UK should exempt them from all taxes and duties.
    No, all US stuff shouldn’t be bought while they continue on current path
    Not drinking Californian Shiraz would be a real hardship. But I get your point. Sigh.
    I have a work trip to the USA coming up. It’s weird how it is actually giving me the same sort of frisson of discomfort - of not going to a predictably free place, and feeling the need to watch what I say to officialdom - that I get visiting places like Singapore or UAE.
    Yes, make sure you have printouts of relevant docs. I had a sticky situation when a phone ran out of charge.

    Tbh I don't mind being refused entry, it messes up work but people would understand. But getting locked up in a detention facility for 4+ weeks? My work have agreed our next meeting will be in UK, largely for other reasons, but I wouldn't be surprised if it becomes a regular thing.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 44,910
    Hodges said:

    Smartphones should be treated like cigarettes and banned until the age of 16 in the UK, according to the writer of Adolescence, which explores the insidious influence of “incel-culture”.

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/mar/18/ban-smartphones-for-uk-under-16s-urges-adolescence-writer-jack-thorne

    This incel culture thing is a classic moral panic. Much of it is just a reaction against the excesses of feminism. I dont think its helpful to make out guys of 18 without girlfriends are potential terrorists.
    "excesses of feminism"

    Hmmm. Care to mention what these 'excesses' are?

    I'll tell you what a significant problem is, and it is not feminism. It's absent dads; men who get women pregnant and then leave their kids' lives. If the kids are male, this often leaves them with no adult male role models from which to hopefully learn 'good' behaviour. Instead, they have to learn behaviour from other boys, or t'Internet.

    Mem should look at men's behaviour before they go blaming women or feminism.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 44,910

    "As you sow, so shall you reap" latest..

    Elon Musk

    @elonmusk
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    7h
    This level of violence is insane and deeply wrong.

    Tesla just makes electric cars and has done nothing to deserve these evil attacks.

    It genuinely is possible that attacks on Tesla could become the flashpoint for more widespread civil unrest. The US government can't tolerate it any more than we could tolerate people burning hotels last summer.
    Rubbish. *This* American government tolerated people rioting and invading the heart of government on January 6th. Tolerated it so much, in fact, that they pardoned all the shits who did it. That's exceptionally tolerant.

    So a riot in which people died, and they tried to overturn an election result, is a-okay with this 'government', whilst burning a few cars is 'domestic terrorism'...
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 44,910

    What a surprise - Putin rejects an unconditional ceasefire. He wants to keep bombing and killing innocent Ukrainians. He wants Ukraine disarmed. He wants Ukraine neutralised. He wants to make Ukraine a vassal state of Russia. He isn’t negotiating. He’s laughing at us.

    https://x.com/BorisJohnson/status/1902117437018903037

    Bloody hell. I am starting to finally like Boris after all these years.
    Beware the bullshitters of March



    https://x.com/davidgauke/status/1891977091517706557?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q
    I'll actually partially defend Johnson on this. He's quite clear where fault for the invasion lies - Russia - and that this 'deal' is hopeless. Johnson is probably one of the few foreigners that Trump might actually listen to, given he was PM for part of his presidency and they seemed to get on. Going in and attacking Trump would do f-all good.

    Read those two tweets from Johnson from the perspective of Trump or MAGA. One supportive of getting a deal; but rightly blames Russia for the war the other stating that this deal is no good, and favours Putin.

    Now, it might be that Johnson is deluded and Trump doesn't care what he says. But if you were in Johnson's position, would you burn all bridges with Trump, or would you try to use your little influence with his, even if it does no good?
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,384

    DavidL said:

    Message from wifey: “I keep hearing doors bang downstairs. We’re all upstairs”. OK, in the house or in the shop (same building). “Shop”.

    We’ve had this before. Building dates back to 1795 with multiple ghosts observed. Doors banging in what was the bank we’ve all heard, just as I have sat in my office (in the bank) hearing someone walk down the corridor in the house (above my head) when nobody is in…

    I remember you mentioning this a year or 2 ago. Has it been continuous or has it come back?
    Long spells of nothing and then it comes it life…
    Sounds like a bank manager!
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,317
    Good morning, everyone.

    Maybe I should change my password. I forgot it today, despite logging into PB pretty much every day for... 18 years. Well, I did change it about eight years ago...

    Anyway, hello.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,384

    What a surprise - Putin rejects an unconditional ceasefire. He wants to keep bombing and killing innocent Ukrainians. He wants Ukraine disarmed. He wants Ukraine neutralised. He wants to make Ukraine a vassal state of Russia. He isn’t negotiating. He’s laughing at us.

    https://x.com/BorisJohnson/status/1902117437018903037

    Bloody hell. I am starting to finally like Boris after all these years.
    Beware the bullshitters of March



    https://x.com/davidgauke/status/1891977091517706557?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q
    To be fair to Johnson he has consistently supported Ukraine
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 13,139
    Andy_JS said:

    Where I think the difference with Trump is re immigration. Everybody knows there are 10s millions of illegal immigrants in US. Most of just let be for a very long time and form part of the unseen economy which drives lots of important sectors.

    If I was one of those people, now I would be really worried that I break some minor law (and the US really love having lots of laws on the books) and before I know it I get shipped out with the gang bangers without ever being able to explain that you have absolutely no connection to that world.

    But why are you (ie. they) there if you've broken the law on being an illegal migrant? The fact is most ordinary voters believe the laws on illegal migration should always have been enforced right from the start, and don't understand why they haven't been over the years.
    I think the situation in the US and UK is rather different. We have fairly low numbers of illegal immigrants, but their numbers are much higher in the US and their presence long established as part of several sectors in the US economy. The US is a country of immigrants, they’ve long had porous borders. The US has by far the highest number of immigrants of any country in the world. Even politicians on the right have traditionally enacted ways of bringing undocumented immigrants into the fold. Reagan gave an amnesty to 3 million illegal immigrants.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 13,139
    viewcode said:

    carnforth said:

    "As you sow, so shall you reap" latest..

    Elon Musk

    @elonmusk
    ·
    7h
    This level of violence is insane and deeply wrong.

    Tesla just makes electric cars and has done nothing to deserve these evil attacks.

    It genuinely is possible that attacks on Tesla could become the flashpoint for more widespread civil unrest. The US government can't tolerate it any more than we could tolerate people burning hotels last summer.
    It's the people in the hotels we were worried about getting burned. So, unless they're burning tesla drivers, it's not quite the same thing.
    In fairness, if you launch enough arson attacks then you will eventually kill somebody.
    As the Suffragettes did.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 13,139
    GIN1138 said:

    Anything juicy? Harry's files were a [redacted] letdown... 😂
    He appears to have partly or entirely just re-released the same files that Biden released 2 years ago. It’s all smoke and mirrors with Trump.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 580

    GIN1138 said:

    Anything juicy? Harry's files were a [redacted] letdown... 😂
    He appears to have partly or entirely just re-released the same files that Biden released 2 years ago. It’s all smoke and mirrors with Trump.
    Don't think Trump is totally to blame, if at all. It's all down to the production team, script writer, makeup artists and media advisors. Unfortunately it's one of those TV subscriptions you can't cancel.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,082

    GIN1138 said:

    Anything juicy? Harry's files were a [redacted] letdown... 😂
    He appears to have partly or entirely just re-released the same files that Biden released 2 years ago. It’s all smoke and mirrors with Trump.
    Khruschev’s advice to Nixon: “If the people believe there’s an imaginary river out there, you don’t tell them there’s no river. You build an imaginary bridge over the imaginary river.”
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,239

    NEW THREAD

  • TazTaz Posts: 16,932

    "As you sow, so shall you reap" latest..

    Elon Musk

    @elonmusk
    ·
    7h
    This level of violence is insane and deeply wrong.

    Tesla just makes electric cars and has done nothing to deserve these evil attacks.

    It genuinely is possible that attacks on Tesla could become the flashpoint for more widespread civil unrest. The US government can't tolerate it any more than we could tolerate people burning hotels last summer.
    Prevailing view here seems to be as it’s Tesla, which is effectively Musk, it’s okay.

    Probably the same people who think those posters on the tube are hilarious social commentary.
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