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  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,250
    @maxseddon

    Putin is meant to be speaking to Trump around now, but he is talking to a room full of oligarchs instead. Asked if he's going to be late, Putin waves off the question and says not to listen to his spokesman

    @JimmySecUK

    Russian state media is now mocking President Trump; implying he is "relentlessly calling" Putin like some lovestruck teenager.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,389
    People tearing up their Labour membership cards on LBC. They are shocked at how incredibly generous the Tories were with benefits over 14 years compared with Labour's cruelty.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,431

    People tearing up their Labour membership cards on LBC. They are shocked at how incredibly generous the Tories were with benefits over 14 years compared with Labour's cruelty.

    There is a difference:

    We are at war now.

    Luxuries and benefits we could afford in peace, become harder to afford now.

    I really don't know what the answer is. I have a good friend who might be badly affected by these changes.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,431
    Nigelb said:

    While that's half true, there's no great evidence that Netanyahu wouldn't have done this anyway.
    He did after all say thaf he reserved the right to resume the war after all hostages had been returned.
    Yes; but Hamas are giving him the excuse. If only they had returned the hostages after a week or two...
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,167

    People tearing up their Labour membership cards on LBC. They are shocked at how incredibly generous the Tories were with benefits over 14 years compared with Labour's cruelty.

    Upsetting their own side whilst in reality just doing a bit of tinkering, that will be lucky to stem the inexorable increase in costs let alone save any money, will likely turn out to be the worst of both worlds.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,685

    Ghosts is a family favourite in our house, ditto the Goes Wrong Show. Death in Paradise is a guilty pleasure too, it's actually pretty funny. My son is a big fan of People Just Do Nothing.
    If you like Death in Paradise - you might enjoy this Australian show (there's only one series of it). Bit of murder mystery, bit of quite witty dialogue (though it takes an episode or so to really find it's stride).

    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2390791/

    "Mr. and Mrs. Murder. The series follows the adventures of married couple Nicola and Charlie Buchanan, who run an industrial cleaning business while solving the most baffling murder mysteries."

    See also The Brokenwood Mysteries from NZ : https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3640276/
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,352
    We all seem to have forgotten "The Thick Of It". Oh, PB... :(
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,431
    IanB2 said:

    Musk has 13% of Tesla shares, and the only obvious way out for the company is for him to sell out and the company continue with him cut loose. The question is how long it will take for them to reach the same conclusion?

    Meanwhile, their global brand is worse than Ratnered.
    The problem is that the board all have their tongues firmly up Musky Baby's backside. Which is why they're *still* fighting the courts to give him his $56 billion pay package bung, despite it being obvious that he is spending far more time spreading shit on Twix rather than helping Tesla.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,575
    viewcode said:

    We all seem to have forgotten "The Thick Of It". Oh, PB... :(

    Isn't it just a given to be the GOAT of comedies from that era?
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,431
    viewcode said:

    We all seem to have forgotten "The Thick Of It". Oh, PB... :(

    I'd give an honourable mention to 'League of Gentlemen'. Oh, and 'Two Pints of Lager'.

    A colleague called me and Mrs J 'Gaz and Donna', as we looked more than a little like them. And, at times, acted a little like them... ;)
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,352
    edited March 18
    BillyLiar said:

    The subtitled version had limited release in the UK, but it was less enjoyable than the first film (which itself was pretty average) and overdid the flag-waving content. The Netflix series was not great but more fun and could include all the Cultural Revolution stuff.

    Fair enough. It does have sequences like this, tho'... :)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nyPLUlJCZg (2 mins)
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,186
    edited March 18

    The problem is that the board all have their tongues firmly up Musky Baby's backside. Which is why they're *still* fighting the courts to give him his $56 billion pay package bung, despite it being obvious that he is spending far more time spreading shit on Twix rather than helping Tesla.
    I don't understand why any Tesla shareholder would want to pay Musk 56b dollars, other than himself of course.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,295

    There is a difference:

    We are at war now.

    Luxuries and benefits we could afford in peace, become harder to afford now.

    I really don't know what the answer is. I have a good friend who might be badly affected by these changes.
    I’ve got an idea.

    It’s a 26,000 page self safe guarding plan that anyone who needs a Pip has to fill in. This will provide huge (but intangible) benefits, since it will document the safety case for them existing. Failure to fill it in correctly will be punished by life in prison.

    It’s for the children….
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,700
    ohnotnow said:

    If you like Death in Paradise - you might enjoy this Australian show (there's only one series of it). Bit of murder mystery, bit of quite witty dialogue (though it takes an episode or so to really find it's stride).

    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2390791/

    "Mr. and Mrs. Murder. The series follows the adventures of married couple Nicola and Charlie Buchanan, who run an industrial cleaning business while solving the most baffling murder mysteries."

    See also The Brokenwood Mysteries from NZ : https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3640276/
    That reminded me of "The Cleaner" - Greg Davies's series about the crime scene cleaner. Essentially a bunch of 30 minute two handed plays, and bloody brilliant.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 4,520

    People tearing up their Labour membership cards on LBC. They are shocked at how incredibly generous the Tories were with benefits over 14 years compared with Labour's cruelty.

    Shocked, shocked I say..
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,700
    viewcode said:

    We all seem to have forgotten "The Thick Of It". Oh, PB... :(

    Sadly when it became real-life rather than fiction, the jokes stopped being quite so funny.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,700

    There is a difference:

    We are at war now.

    Luxuries and benefits we could afford in peace, become harder to afford now.

    I really don't know what the answer is. I have a good friend who might be badly affected by these changes.
    I don't think that really washes. What is happening is Labour is having to face the reality of government rather than the luxury of opposition and some of them don't like it. Its easy to carp from the opposition benches, far harder to actually be the ones to choose who suffers and who doesn't.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,908
    Kemi's speech was really very good. It was only the announcement of a policy review, but the highly trailed abandonment of the 2050 target gave it enough punch to feel like a worthwhile intervention.

    She is right to position the Tory Party as the Party of detailed plans (though their complete absence so far has been unnerving), and with Reform's well‐meaning but ham-fisted energy intervention recently, it does leave a gap to come through the middle.

    Claire Coutinho, Andrew Bowie and Lord Offord (I think) are conducting the review, so I would suggest that if @MarqueeMark is still interested in tidal lagoons he dusts down his elevator pitch and gets in there. I strongly doubt that the Tories will win the next election outright, but it could very well be that they form the policy backbone of whatever right wing coalition emerges.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,186
    Scott_xP said:

    @maxseddon

    Putin is meant to be speaking to Trump around now, but he is talking to a room full of oligarchs instead. Asked if he's going to be late, Putin waves off the question and says not to listen to his spokesman

    @JimmySecUK

    Russian state media is now mocking President Trump; implying he is "relentlessly calling" Putin like some lovestruck teenager.

    If that's true, it's just embarrassing.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 4,520

    Kemi's speech was really very good. It was only the announcement of a policy review, but the highly trailed abandonment of the 2050 target gave it enough punch to feel like a worthwhile intervention.

    She is right to position the Tory Party as the Party of detailed plans (though their complete absence so far has been unnerving), and with Reform's well‐meaning but ham-fisted energy intervention recently, it does leave a gap to come through the middle.

    Claire Coutinho, Andrew Bowie and Lord Offord (I think) are conducting the review, so I would suggest that if @MarqueeMark is still interested in tidal lagoons he dusts down his elevator pitch and gets in there. I strongly doubt that the Tories will win the next election outright, but it could very well be that they form the policy backbone of whatever right wing coalition emerges.

    Lord Offal?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,650

    Kemi's speech was really very good. It was only the announcement of a policy review, but the highly trailed abandonment of the 2050 target gave it enough punch to feel like a worthwhile intervention.

    She is right to position the Tory Party as the Party of detailed plans (though their complete absence so far has been unnerving), and with Reform's well‐meaning but ham-fisted energy intervention recently, it does leave a gap to come through the middle.

    Claire Coutinho, Andrew Bowie and Lord Offord (I think) are conducting the review, so I would suggest that if @MarqueeMark is still interested in tidal lagoons he dusts down his elevator pitch and gets in there. I strongly doubt that the Tories will win the next election outright, but it could very well be that they form the policy backbone of whatever right wing coalition emerges.

    I believe Claire Coutinho is currently on maternity leave...
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,295

    I don't understand why any Tesla shareholder would want to pay Musk 56b dollars, other than himself of course.
    It was one of those amusing fuckups. Musk signed up to a plan that he would get paid proportional to the stock price going up.

    When the stock zoomed insanely, that meant that he achieved a high score on the pay front. Which everyone had thought was impossible.

    It’s hard to know which group of clowns are more stupid in this matter - the ones who came up with a deal with pretty much no ceiling, the ones trying not to pay, Musk, etc etc.

    Note that the obsession is with stock price. Which is generally the cube of bullshit, multiplied by idiocy and subtract a small piece of reality. In this case to the power of MAGA, on top.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,575
    edited March 18

    If that's true, it's just embarrassing.
    You are falling for standard Russian tactics. Putin insisted in calling Boris using informal version of Russian, on another occasion the Russians insisted he drank lots of tea shortly after the poisoning of Litvinenko. They also deliberately mistranslated back to English subtitles what he said while the Russian dub was correct, knowing the British media would just read the English subtitles. Its all part of the mind games they play.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 4,520

    Musk can't sell without triggering a huge tax liability (subject to a handy law change). The way squillionaires avoid tax is by borrowing money using their stakes as collateral. No income, no capital gains.
    Like farmers?
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,908

    I believe Claire Coutinho is currently on maternity leave...
    More reading time I suppose.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,756

    Like farmers?
    No farmers, no food.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,650
    edited March 18

    You are falling for standard Russian tactics. Putin insisted in calling Boris using informal version of Russian, on another occasion the Russians insisted he drank lots of tea shortly after the poisoning of Litvinenko. They also deliberately mistranslated back to English subtitles what he said while the Russian dub was correct, knowing the British media would just read the English subtitles. Its all part of the mind games they play.
    The Ukrainian game is to flatten Russian oil refineries. Trump should try playing it...

    ...from the golf course.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 4,520
    kinabalu said:

    Yep, new regs can definitely be counterproductive. Although not so much this one imo. On balance, and recognising the downsides, I support this one.

    An interesting question is how to assess the success or failure of a change. You need to compare the damage caused to the damage prevented. Unless it's incredibly obvious this isn't easy. In fact it's probably often impossible.
    Like brexit
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,575
    edited March 18

    It was one of those amusing fuckups. Musk signed up to a plan that he would get paid proportional to the stock price going up.

    When the stock zoomed insanely, that meant that he achieved a high score on the pay front. Which everyone had thought was impossible.

    It’s hard to know which group of clowns are more stupid in this matter - the ones who came up with a deal with pretty much no ceiling, the ones trying not to pay, Musk, etc etc.

    Note that the obsession is with stock price. Which is generally the cube of bullshit, multiplied by idiocy and subtract a small piece of reality. In this case to the power of MAGA, on top.
    Isn't the allegation that the people who came up with the deal are all long time Musk loyalists, so its not a cock-up it was deliberate and hence why the legal action to stop him getting his award.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,575
    edited March 18

    The Ukrainian game is to flatten Russian oil refineries. Trump should try playing it...

    ...from the golf course.
    One interesting point from Boris interview was he said he didn't believe that Putin would ever use nukes in relation to Ukraine war and that the West has been too timid due to this belief that because it is part of Russian War doctrine limiting what the West feels able to do.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,295

    Isn't the allegation that the people who came up with the deal are all long time Musk loyalists, so its not a cock-up it was deliberate and hence why the legal action to stop him getting his award.
    As usual, it’s more complicated than that.

    IIRC the anti-Musk faction were all high giving each other over the deal - if the Tesla stock price didn’t achieve insane gains, he would have got very little.

    When the award crystallised - stock price of x on date y, they changed their tune.

    The real insanity was not linking any such award to metrics like profitable sales.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,950
    edited March 18
    On the subject of underrated tv shows and movies - on the London-Sao Paulo leg of my journey I watched Ridley Scott’s Gladiator II

    Ok it’s not in the same league as the original but the original was something of a masterpiece. It is still a rip roaring piece of cinematic entertainment, not intellectually demanding but full of fun - exploding rhinos, weird killer baboon-dogs - some decent performances from Paul Mescal, the creepy dual emperors. Just needed more gratuitous sex

    A solid B or even B+

    I felt the same about Scott’s Napoleon. The reviews were so awful I anticipated the worst - yet it’s a vivid and quite accurate romp through Bonaparte’s life with a truly fine performance in the middle

    B++

    People are overhating on Ridders Scott

  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,650

    More reading time I suppose.
    The Tories' problem is that they could have owned tidal lagoon power stations a decade back. Swansea would be producing by now.

    But they went with nuclear. Which won't be producing until at least 2030. If there is going to be any movement on tidal, it will be by this Government. Yes, they can be supportive. But Labour will get any glory going. Especially if the first lagoon(s) are through planning and obviously into construction by the next election.
  • sarissasarissa Posts: 2,109
    edited March 18
    MaxPB said:

    Hamas literally just had to hand over the hostages and dead bodies and this wouldn't be happening. Why aren't you blaming Hamas?
    AIUI, release of the final group of living hostages was not to be completed until stage two of the ceasefire agreement, which also requires Israel accepting a permanent ceasefire and IDF forces to leave Gaza. There is no evidence this withdrawal is even being contemplated, mainly to bolster Netahanyu's political position.
    Israel is the party which is maintaining active hostilities and an economic and humanitarian aid blockade to force the release of hostages without conceding any of the de-escalation measures.

    BTW, Hamas agreed the basics of this agreement in May 2024 - Israel did not reciprocate for another six months.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,769

    Given the enormous disparities in firepower and casualties, I'd suggest that "hostilities and ""war" aren't really suitable terms. "Slaughter" and "genocide" would appear to be more fitting.
    Yeah well that's on Hamas. Don't start a war you can't sustain.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,575
    Leon said:

    On the subject of underrated tv shows and movies - on the London-Sao Paulo leg of my journey I watched Ridley Scott’s Gladiator II

    Ok it’s not in the same league as the original but the original was something of a masterpiece. It is still a rip roaring piece of cinematic entertainment, not intellectually demanding but full of fun - exploding rhinos, weird killer baboon-dogs - some decent performances from Paul Mescal, the creepy dual emperors. Just needed more gratuitous sex

    A solid B or even B+

    I felt the same about Scott’s Napoleon. The reviews were so awful I anticipated the worst - yet it’s a vivid and quite accurate romp through Bonaparte’s life with a truly fine performance in the middle

    B++

    People are overhating on Ridders Scott

    Christ I didn't realise he is 87 years old.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,295
    Leon said:

    On the subject of underrated tv shows and movies - on the London-Sao Paulo leg of my journey I watched Ridley Scott’s Gladiator II

    Ok it’s not in the same league as the original but the original was something of a masterpiece. It is still a rip roaring piece of cinematic entertainment, not intellectually demanding but full of fun - exploding rhinos, weird killer baboon-dogs - some decent performances from Paul Mescal, the creepy dual emperors. Just needed more gratuitous sex

    A solid B or even B+

    I felt the same about Scott’s Napoleon. The reviews were so awful I anticipated the worst - it’s a vivid and quite accurate romp through Bonaparte’s life with a truly fine performance in the middle

    B++

    People are overhating on Ridders Scott

    On Napoleon - nearly everything in it was inaccurate. Apart from the existence of a chap called Napoleon.

    That, and it gave us a version of Napoleon so lacking charisma that his men would not have followed him to a bar for free drinks.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,499
    IanB2 said:

    The question is what could turn Tesla’s slide of share price round? Until that becomes clear, it’s a screaming sell.

    The market’s only been open half an hour and I am up another £500 already.

    When the billionaires stop being philanthropists they lose their popularity pretty fast.

    .....and quite rightly too.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,389

    Shocked, shocked I say..
    I was half expecting Clive Lewis to tear his card up.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,650
    Leon said:

    On the subject of underrated tv shows and movies - on the London-Sao Paulo leg of my journey I watched Ridley Scott’s Gladiator II

    Ok it’s not in the same league as the original but the original was something of a masterpiece. It is still a rip roaring piece of cinematic entertainment, not intellectually demanding but full of fun - exploding rhinos, weird killer baboon-dogs - some decent performances from Paul Mescal, the creepy dual emperors. Just needed more gratuitous sex

    A solid B or even B+

    I felt the same about Scott’s Napoleon. The reviews were so awful I anticipated the worst - yet it’s a vivid and quite accurate romp through Bonaparte’s life with a truly fine performance in the middle

    B++

    People are overhating on Ridders Scott

    The best scene in the original Gladiator is in the deleted scenes on the DVD. The "firing" squad of archers. So damned tense, as the Emperor walks in front of them muing on whether to commute the death sentence, as their arms twitch under the tension.

    Added bonus of no Russell Crowe.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,575

    On Napoleon - nearly everything in it was inaccurate. Apart from the existence of a chap called Napoleon.

    That, and it gave us a version of Napoleon so lacking charisma that his men would not have followed him to a bar for free drinks.
    Are we sure it wasn't ghost written by Boris?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,729

    NEW THREAD

  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,950

    On Napoleon - nearly everything in it was inaccurate. Apart from the existence of a chap called Napoleon.

    That, and it gave us a version of Napoleon so lacking charisma that his men would not have followed him to a bar for free drinks.
    It really wasn’t that inaccurate. I know this because about three days before I saw it I finished Adam Zamoyski’s magnificent, massive and magisterial biography of Napoleon (far superior to Andrew Roberts, which I also read)

    Of course they cut corners - they had to squeeze one of history’s greatest lives into 3 hours. But they did it better and more judiciously than most
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 30,275
    edited March 18

    Like farmers?
    Speaking of Elon & Tesla...

    EVs could be charged as fast as filling a petrol car after breakthrough
    Chinese manufacturer BYD develops system that cuts wait time to five minutes

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/03/18/evs-charged-fast-filling-petrol-car-breakthrough/ (£££)
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,650

    Lord Offal?
    "Ooh, you are offal - but I like you!"
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,950

    Christ I didn't realise he is 87 years old.
    Yes in the category of surprisingly old famous directors I think he’s faring better than Scorsese and Coppola and maybe Spielberg, and also has better projects in the pipeline than David Lynch
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 691

    Kemi's speech was really very good. It was only the announcement of a policy review, but the highly trailed abandonment of the 2050 target gave it enough punch to feel like a worthwhile intervention.

    She is right to position the Tory Party as the Party of detailed plans (though their complete absence so far has been unnerving), and with Reform's well‐meaning but ham-fisted energy intervention recently, it does leave a gap to come through the middle.

    Claire Coutinho, Andrew Bowie and Lord Offord (I think) are conducting the review, so I would suggest that if @MarqueeMark is still interested in tidal lagoons he dusts down his elevator pitch and gets in there. I strongly doubt that the Tories will win the next election outright, but it could very well be that they form the policy backbone of whatever right wing coalition emerges.

    Your clearly an optomist.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,431

    As usual, it’s more complicated than that.

    IIRC the anti-Musk faction were all high giving each other over the deal - if the Tesla stock price didn’t achieve insane gains, he would have got very little.

    When the award crystallised - stock price of x on date y, they changed their tune.

    The real insanity was not linking any such award to metrics like profitable sales.
    It's all on the board. Do not excuse them.
  • eekeek Posts: 29,789

    Speaking of Elon & Tesla...

    EVs could be charged as fast as filling a petrol car after breakthrough
    Chinese manufacturer BYD develops system that cuts wait time to five minutes

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/03/18/evs-charged-fast-filling-petrol-car-breakthrough/ (£££)
    The difficulty is providing enough power to the charging location to support multiple people charging at the same time.

    I was surprised how many street side chargers where available in Paris when I was there over the weekend
  • kamskikamski Posts: 6,355
    Scott_xP said:

    Never mind, he's still got SpaceX.

    Oh...

    Musk’s impotent attempts to get his giant shiny phallus to work are the perfect metaphor for the man.

    https://www.planetearthandbeyond.co/p/starship-was-doomed-from-the-beginning
    I like Mark Rober's latest video, where his Tesla fails to brake and drives into a small boy several times, where another car self-driving car successfully brakes.

    He doesn't mention Musk or anything political, but the timing of his experiment is good. But it seems a lot of people are angry with him and think Musk should sue him.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,431
    kamski said:

    I like Mark Rober's latest video, where his Tesla fails to brake and drives into a small boy several times, where another car self-driving car successfully brakes.

    He doesn't mention Musk or anything political, but the timing of his experiment is good. But it seems a lot of people are angry with him and think Musk should sue him.
    There have long been rumours that whilst Musk notably hates advertisers (*), he did rely on a load of Internet shills. Some paid, some fanbois, some investors ramping on his products.

    (*) Which is why he fucked up when he took over Twitter, which relied on advertisers.
  • kamskikamski Posts: 6,355

    That reminded me of "The Cleaner" - Greg Davies's series about the crime scene cleaner. Essentially a bunch of 30 minute two handed plays, and bloody brilliant.
    Though the original German "Der Tatortreiniger" starring Bjarne Mädel is way better IMHO.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,856

    What are the supposed benefits of the act? Measure those.

    The moment that people start saying that the benefits are “huge but intangible”, that’s when I say “TILT”. That’s a justification for anything.

    Grinding up the unemployable to make Soyulent Green has huge, but intangible benefits. According to me.
    Good point in general (about intangibles) but it can be a valid thing to consider. Eg and topical, no phones for the kids in schools. It'd be hard to measure the benefits of this reform even if (which I'm not saying is the case btw) they are significant.
  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,521
    edited March 18
    Nigelb said:

    While that's half true, there's no great evidence that Netanyahu wouldn't have done this anyway.
    He did after all say thaf he reserved the right to resume the war after all hostages had been returned.
    He pretty much had to as the war is the only thing that's keeping him out of jail from all those corruption scandals.

    I know that's cynical, but when you're dealing with men like Netanyahu, Putin and Trump the worst interpretation is generally accurate.
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