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  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,217
    edited March 13
    Pagan2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Pagan2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I’m hearing from many local doctors that the continued cuts in Medicare payments to doctors are unsustainable. Doctors are going out of business. We must fix this so that we can provide the quality of care to our seniors.

    https://x.com/RepDonBacon/status/1900221985071772068?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^tweet

    And this is the reply that Twitter chooses to show me:


    Hopefully a contender for the 2025 Darwin Awards.... the he probably thinks Darwin is the spawn of Satan as well.
    You're making the (incorrect IMO) assumption that it's a post by a real person, I'd guess that it's a Russian AI bot.
    Which is the other reason why Russia has to lose in Ukraine.
    Putin would start a nuclear war rather than outright lose in Ukraine
    So in your view we have to let him have anything he wants...he wants ukraine...we give it to him because nukes...then he wants estonia so we give it to him because he has nukes....then he wants germany.....where do you call a halt?
    No just you do enough to keep Ukraine largely free but not so far as to lead to nuclear war. Of course Germany and other European nations could have developed their own nukes like the French and British have
    People like you told us...using western weapons on targets inside russia would trigger a nuclear response they didnt and still arent

    People like you told us ukraine invading russia would trigger the nuclear response....they invaded kursk still no nukes

    People like you are wrong for the simple reason Putin doesn't want to die either and if he started nuking it would not end well for anyone including him
    Putin knows if he was about to lose all ground gained in Ukraine he would have lost power anyway, in which case he would have nothing left to lose but use his nuclear weapons and he would.

    People like you of course would provoke the crocodile until he ate you and turned you, your house and town to radioactive ash
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,124
    Scott_xP said:

    @Number10cat

    Trump (the genius) is about to place a 200% tax on Guinness the week of St Patrick's Day...

    Good timing to bring in the tariff revenue.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,822
    DavidL said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @Number10cat

    Trump (the genius) is about to place a 200% tax on Guinness the week of St Patrick's Day...

    So he's not all bad? Disgusting muck that it is.
    Well, even if he's not all bad he's clearly not a stout feller.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,477

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    viewcode said:

    Just a reminder, peeps.

    If you are a man born after 5 April 1951 or a woman born after 5 April 1953
    You have until 5 April 2025 to pay voluntary contributions to make up for gaps between tax years April 2006 and April 2016 if you’re eligible. The eligibility link is here: https://www.gov.uk/voluntary-national-insurance-contributions

    I'm going to accidently miss it and then claim compensation anyway just like the WASPI women. I mean, what could go wrong with that?
    Given occasionalranter's note that this affects the next two years as well, perhaps we can start to understand that those Waspi women who are not top lawyers might not have been all over the detail.
    Talking of which can anyone from the PB brains trust help with this? My wife has, on the face of it, 38 qualifying years but in some of those years she was contracted out Do they count?
    As far as I know it means you were contracted out of SERPS, not the basic state pension.
    Although here it says it does affect your pension https://www.gov.uk/new-state-pension/what-youll-get
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,641
    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    viewcode said:

    Just a reminder, peeps.

    If you are a man born after 5 April 1951 or a woman born after 5 April 1953
    You have until 5 April 2025 to pay voluntary contributions to make up for gaps between tax years April 2006 and April 2016 if you’re eligible. The eligibility link is here: https://www.gov.uk/voluntary-national-insurance-contributions

    I'm going to accidently miss it and then claim compensation anyway just like the WASPI women. I mean, what could go wrong with that?
    Given occasionalranter's note that this affects the next two years as well, perhaps we can start to understand that those Waspi women who are not top lawyers might not have been all over the detail.
    Talking of which can anyone from the PB brains trust help with this? My wife has, on the face of it, 38 qualifying years but in some of those years she was contracted out Do they count?
    No idea but it looks like she can check from gov.uk or via the HMRC app
    https://www.gov.uk/check-state-pension
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,910
    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    viewcode said:

    Just a reminder, peeps.

    If you are a man born after 5 April 1951 or a woman born after 5 April 1953
    You have until 5 April 2025 to pay voluntary contributions to make up for gaps between tax years April 2006 and April 2016 if you’re eligible. The eligibility link is here: https://www.gov.uk/voluntary-national-insurance-contributions

    I'm going to accidently miss it and then claim compensation anyway just like the WASPI women. I mean, what could go wrong with that?
    Given occasionalranter's note that this affects the next two years as well, perhaps we can start to understand that those Waspi women who are not top lawyers might not have been all over the detail.
    Talking of which can anyone from the PB brains trust help with this? My wife has, on the face of it, 38 qualifying years but in some of those years she was contracted out Do they count?
    get a gateway ID david and you can check online, tells you what you can expect and what if any you can buy.
    Costs around 840 a year to buy and gets you roughly 300 extra pension so circa 3 years or so to recoup.
    It is a bit of a faff to get the id sorted.
    I was debating whether to buy more for wife who does not get full pension.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,415
    edited March 13
    HYUFD said:

    Pagan2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Pagan2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I’m hearing from many local doctors that the continued cuts in Medicare payments to doctors are unsustainable. Doctors are going out of business. We must fix this so that we can provide the quality of care to our seniors.

    https://x.com/RepDonBacon/status/1900221985071772068?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^tweet

    And this is the reply that Twitter chooses to show me:


    Hopefully a contender for the 2025 Darwin Awards.... the he probably thinks Darwin is the spawn of Satan as well.
    You're making the (incorrect IMO) assumption that it's a post by a real person, I'd guess that it's a Russian AI bot.
    Which is the other reason why Russia has to lose in Ukraine.
    Putin would start a nuclear war rather than outright lose in Ukraine
    So in your view we have to let him have anything he wants...he wants ukraine...we give it to him because nukes...then he wants estonia so we give it to him because he has nukes....then he wants germany.....where do you call a halt?
    No just you do enough to keep Ukraine largely free but not so far as to lead to nuclear war. Of course Germany and other European nations could have developed their own nukes like the French and British have
    People like you told us...using western weapons on targets inside russia would trigger a nuclear response they didnt and still arent

    People like you told us ukraine invading russia would trigger the nuclear response....they invaded kursk still no nukes

    People like you are wrong for the simple reason Putin doesn't want to die either and if he started nuking it would not end well for anyone including him
    Putin knows if he was about to lose all ground gained in Ukraine he would have lost power anyway, in which case he would have nothing left to lose but his nuclear weapons and he would.

    People like you of course would provoke the crocodile until he ate you and turned you, your house and town to radioactive ash
    It is a better option to provoke him and not back down than give him anything he wantts while quaking in fear which is what you advocate
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,477

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    viewcode said:

    Just a reminder, peeps.

    If you are a man born after 5 April 1951 or a woman born after 5 April 1953
    You have until 5 April 2025 to pay voluntary contributions to make up for gaps between tax years April 2006 and April 2016 if you’re eligible. The eligibility link is here: https://www.gov.uk/voluntary-national-insurance-contributions

    I'm going to accidently miss it and then claim compensation anyway just like the WASPI women. I mean, what could go wrong with that?
    Given occasionalranter's note that this affects the next two years as well, perhaps we can start to understand that those Waspi women who are not top lawyers might not have been all over the detail.
    Talking of which can anyone from the PB brains trust help with this? My wife has, on the face of it, 38 qualifying years but in some of those years she was contracted out Do they count?
    No idea but it looks like she can check from gov.uk or via the HMRC app
    https://www.gov.uk/check-state-pension
    Indeed I have recently checked mine (I'm retiring at the end of the month) and I was maxed out by 59, with part of my pensionable service contracted out
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,737
    malcolmg said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    viewcode said:

    Just a reminder, peeps.

    If you are a man born after 5 April 1951 or a woman born after 5 April 1953
    You have until 5 April 2025 to pay voluntary contributions to make up for gaps between tax years April 2006 and April 2016 if you’re eligible. The eligibility link is here: https://www.gov.uk/voluntary-national-insurance-contributions

    I'm going to accidently miss it and then claim compensation anyway just like the WASPI women. I mean, what could go wrong with that?
    Given occasionalranter's note that this affects the next two years as well, perhaps we can start to understand that those Waspi women who are not top lawyers might not have been all over the detail.
    Talking of which can anyone from the PB brains trust help with this? My wife has, on the face of it, 38 qualifying years but in some of those years she was contracted out Do they count?
    get a gateway ID david and you can check online, tells you what you can expect and what if any you can buy.
    Costs around 840 a year to buy and gets you roughly 300 extra pension so circa 3 years or so to recoup.
    It is a bit of a faff to get the id sorted.
    I was debating whether to buy more for wife who does not get full pension.
    For anyone without terminal cancer that is a complete no brainer. My wife is having real problems getting the gateway ID because her machines all assume she is me because she looks after my tax for me. Nothings ever easy.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,477

    Scott_xP said:

    @Number10cat

    Trump (the genius) is about to place a 200% tax on Guinness the week of St Patrick's Day...

    Good timing to bring in the tariff revenue.
    Guinness should have continued to brew in the UK
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,641
    DavidL said:

    malcolmg said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    viewcode said:

    Just a reminder, peeps.

    If you are a man born after 5 April 1951 or a woman born after 5 April 1953
    You have until 5 April 2025 to pay voluntary contributions to make up for gaps between tax years April 2006 and April 2016 if you’re eligible. The eligibility link is here: https://www.gov.uk/voluntary-national-insurance-contributions

    I'm going to accidently miss it and then claim compensation anyway just like the WASPI women. I mean, what could go wrong with that?
    Given occasionalranter's note that this affects the next two years as well, perhaps we can start to understand that those Waspi women who are not top lawyers might not have been all over the detail.
    Talking of which can anyone from the PB brains trust help with this? My wife has, on the face of it, 38 qualifying years but in some of those years she was contracted out Do they count?
    get a gateway ID david and you can check online, tells you what you can expect and what if any you can buy.
    Costs around 840 a year to buy and gets you roughly 300 extra pension so circa 3 years or so to recoup.
    It is a bit of a faff to get the id sorted.
    I was debating whether to buy more for wife who does not get full pension.
    For anyone without terminal cancer that is a complete no brainer. My wife is having real problems getting the gateway ID because her machines all assume she is me because she looks after my tax for me. Nothings ever easy.
    You cannot do it online without a passport or driving licence, which have become de facto id cards (a cynic would suggest this is part of HMG softening us up).
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,217
    Pagan2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Pagan2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Pagan2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I’m hearing from many local doctors that the continued cuts in Medicare payments to doctors are unsustainable. Doctors are going out of business. We must fix this so that we can provide the quality of care to our seniors.

    https://x.com/RepDonBacon/status/1900221985071772068?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^tweet

    And this is the reply that Twitter chooses to show me:


    Hopefully a contender for the 2025 Darwin Awards.... the he probably thinks Darwin is the spawn of Satan as well.
    You're making the (incorrect IMO) assumption that it's a post by a real person, I'd guess that it's a Russian AI bot.
    Which is the other reason why Russia has to lose in Ukraine.
    Putin would start a nuclear war rather than outright lose in Ukraine
    So in your view we have to let him have anything he wants...he wants ukraine...we give it to him because nukes...then he wants estonia so we give it to him because he has nukes....then he wants germany.....where do you call a halt?
    No just you do enough to keep Ukraine largely free but not so far as to lead to nuclear war. Of course Germany and other European nations could have developed their own nukes like the French and British have
    People like you told us...using western weapons on targets inside russia would trigger a nuclear response they didnt and still arent

    People like you told us ukraine invading russia would trigger the nuclear response....they invaded kursk still no nukes

    People like you are wrong for the simple reason Putin doesn't want to die either and if he started nuking it would not end well for anyone including him
    Putin knows if he was about to lose all ground gained in Ukraine he would have lost power anyway, in which case he would have nothing left to lose but his nuclear weapons and he would.

    People like you of course would provoke the crocodile until he ate you and turned you, your house and town to radioactive ash
    It is a better option to provoke him and not back down than give him anything he wantts while quaking in fear which is what you advocate
    We aren’t giving him everything he wants otherwise we wouldn’t have provided arms to Zelensky in the first place. You don’t however go so far as to risk nuclear war with a power with thousands of nuclear missiles, it is just realpolitik
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 4,304

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    viewcode said:

    Just a reminder, peeps.

    If you are a man born after 5 April 1951 or a woman born after 5 April 1953
    You have until 5 April 2025 to pay voluntary contributions to make up for gaps between tax years April 2006 and April 2016 if you’re eligible. The eligibility link is here: https://www.gov.uk/voluntary-national-insurance-contributions

    I'm going to accidently miss it and then claim compensation anyway just like the WASPI women. I mean, what could go wrong with that?
    Given occasionalranter's note that this affects the next two years as well, perhaps we can start to understand that those Waspi women who are not top lawyers might not have been all over the detail.
    Talking of which can anyone from the PB brains trust help with this? My wife has, on the face of it, 38 qualifying years but in some of those years she was contracted out Do they count?
    No idea but it looks like she can check from gov.uk or via the HMRC app
    https://www.gov.uk/check-state-pension
    Indeed I have recently checked mine (I'm retiring at the end of the month) and I was maxed out by 59, with part of my pensionable service contracted out
    She can get more qualifying years if she took time off to raise any children. Also contracting out ended in 2016 so the last 9 years would count anyway. Looking at my record I was awarded qualifying years for my two years in sixth form as well, which was a surprise.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,515

    GIN1138 said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Keir Starmer's tone towards civil servants has been "nothing short of disastrous" according to a former cabinet secretary - the highest official in the civil service.

    Lord Gus O’Donnell served under three prime ministers as cabinet secretary between 2005 and 2011, and he tells BBC’s Radio 4’s PM programme that Starmer’s rhetoric around the “flabby state” has been damaging for his relationship with civil servants.

    He explains: “Believe it or not, if you talk to civil servants and say they like managed decline and that you're going to take a chainsaw to them - do you think that's actually going to result in them performing at their best?"

    As for the decision to scrap NHS England, O’Donnell suggests this has also been “chaotic”, but may save “a relatively small amount of money”.

    “If they can turn this into a way of making better decisions which leads to improvements in our health service then I think it will be justified,” he says, adding that he’s not so sure if this is what will happen.

    The scrapping of the NHS ( England) does look like an absolute catastrophe. Kemi Badenoch is supporting the move!
    Kemi hasn't said anything about it, Davey backs Starmer's decision despite the fact it was the Coalition government he was in that created NHS England in the first place so day to day running of the NHS was overseen by an independent body not the Department of Health.

    In fact 'Shadow Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster Alex Burghart cast doubts over the decision, saying Sir Keir Starmer has yet to set out "how this is going to make life better for patients" or "how much money he is going to save by doing it".

    https://www.itn.co.uk/news/conservatives-react-nhs-england-abolishment-0
    I just heard it on the BBC R4 6 o clock news. Kemi is on board. She said the Government will now be measured on NHS progress as they are now directly in the driving seat They can't blame anyone else.
    So no she is NOT on board as such she said it was Starmer and Streeting's decision not hers and if it fails to make life better for patients or significant savings then the Opposition will blame the government
    She ( and Hunt) seemed less hostile than you do to overturning Lansley's reforms.
    Not their decision, though Kemi was notably less enthusiastic than Hunt anyway it is LABOUR who scrapped it and LABOUR who will be responsible for ALL the job losses and LABOUR who will be responsible for lack of NHS improvement
    As a Conservative, shouldn't you be supporting getting rid of as many quango's as possible?
    And apostrophes - far too many of them!
    Only one? Autocorrect surely?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,588
    Sean_F said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I’m hearing from many local doctors that the continued cuts in Medicare payments to doctors are unsustainable. Doctors are going out of business. We must fix this so that we can provide the quality of care to our seniors.

    https://x.com/RepDonBacon/status/1900221985071772068?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^tweet

    And this is the reply that Twitter chooses to show me:


    Hopefully a contender for the 2025 Darwin Awards.... the he probably thinks Darwin is the spawn of Satan as well.
    I once saw this spoof t-shirt, which made me laugh, with a picture of Jesus wasting Darwin, with an AK 47.
    Darwin Awards are no more. The flood of antivaxxers in 2020-21 did them in.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,481
    Eabhal said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Being a working class Northerner, how do you lot pronounce Leominster?

    I've pronounced it Lemster my entire life but somebody I heard the other day called it Leo Minster.

    As a child did somebody play a cruel trick on me by telling me it was pronounced Lemster?

    I think it's Lemster?
    Never unless you are mental
    It is pronounced Lemster, I have googled it.
    I would never use Lemster, an abomination of the English language
    Like Kingussie (y instead of g) or Alford (silent l)
    Auchtermuchty to that , when did Kingussie get the g replaced by a y , ye are havering man
    I lived in aberdeenshire for 10 years. Locals call it Kinyussie
    Not true - there is a soft G in there. You get some English people calling it King-Uhssie, but it's more like King-oohsie. It follows the pronunciation of the original Gaelic.
    Some of my family are from there - I think there's just a fine line on the sound between the 'Kin' and 'ussie'. I choose to blame the Scandinavians. Or Germans. Or, for why not, the Latvians.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,124
    Scott_xP said:
    Led By Donkeys-style humour is cringey enough when it’s directed at our own politicians.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,477

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    viewcode said:

    Just a reminder, peeps.

    If you are a man born after 5 April 1951 or a woman born after 5 April 1953
    You have until 5 April 2025 to pay voluntary contributions to make up for gaps between tax years April 2006 and April 2016 if you’re eligible. The eligibility link is here: https://www.gov.uk/voluntary-national-insurance-contributions

    I'm going to accidently miss it and then claim compensation anyway just like the WASPI women. I mean, what could go wrong with that?
    Given occasionalranter's note that this affects the next two years as well, perhaps we can start to understand that those Waspi women who are not top lawyers might not have been all over the detail.
    Talking of which can anyone from the PB brains trust help with this? My wife has, on the face of it, 38 qualifying years but in some of those years she was contracted out Do they count?
    No idea but it looks like she can check from gov.uk or via the HMRC app
    https://www.gov.uk/check-state-pension
    Indeed I have recently checked mine (I'm retiring at the end of the month) and I was maxed out by 59, with part of my pensionable service contracted out
    She can get more qualifying years if she took time off to raise any children. Also contracting out ended in 2016 so the last 9 years would count anyway. Looking at my record I was awarded qualifying years for my two years in sixth form as well, which was a surprise.
    I have 37 full years since leaving University plus three part years and (as you) full years while I was in sixth form. So I have been credited with full years despite being contracted out for part of that time. I can only assume that as long as you paid enough NI you could get a full credit even if you were contracted out.

    Alternatively they have fucked up and I will get to 67 and find I don't have a full record. Maybe I should save a screenshot.

  • MattWMattW Posts: 25,690
    Scott_xP said:

    @Number10cat

    Trump (the genius) is about to place a 200% tax on Guinness the week of St Patrick's Day...

    Guinness is not manufactured in Usonia?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,098
    edited March 13

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    viewcode said:

    Just a reminder, peeps.

    If you are a man born after 5 April 1951 or a woman born after 5 April 1953
    You have until 5 April 2025 to pay voluntary contributions to make up for gaps between tax years April 2006 and April 2016 if you’re eligible. The eligibility link is here: https://www.gov.uk/voluntary-national-insurance-contributions

    I'm going to accidently miss it and then claim compensation anyway just like the WASPI women. I mean, what could go wrong with that?
    Given occasionalranter's note that this affects the next two years as well, perhaps we can start to understand that those Waspi women who are not top lawyers might not have been all over the detail.
    Talking of which can anyone from the PB brains trust help with this? My wife has, on the face of it, 38 qualifying years but in some of those years she was contracted out Do they count?
    No idea but it looks like she can check from gov.uk or via the HMRC app
    https://www.gov.uk/check-state-pension
    Indeed I have recently checked mine (I'm retiring at the end of the month) and I was maxed out by 59, with part of my pensionable service contracted out
    She can get more qualifying years if she took time off to raise any children. Also contracting out ended in 2016 so the last 9 years would count anyway. Looking at my record I was awarded qualifying years for my two years in sixth form as well, which was a surprise.
    I have 37 full years since leaving University plus three part years and (as you) full years while I was in sixth form. So I have been credited with full years despite being contracted out for part of that time. I can only assume that as long as you paid enough NI you could get a full credit even if you were contracted out.

    Alternatively they have fucked up and I will get to 67 and find I don't have a full record. Maybe I should save a screenshot.

    A note of caution... The HMRC website and app tell you that you have a full year's contribution for years you were contracted out but they won't count it fully when assessing whether you've reached the full 35 years quota.

    So I have 45 'full year' contributions but beacuse most of the time I was contracted out, I still end up with a current projection, based on contributions to date, of £201 pw, so £20 pw short of the £221 pw maximum.

    Confusingly my 'forecast' is showing as £214 pw but that's assuming I am going to be paying NI for the next two years until I reach State Retirement Age (I won't).
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,890
    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Being a working class Northerner, how do you lot pronounce Leominster?

    I've pronounced it Lemster my entire life but somebody I heard the other day called it Leo Minster.

    As a child did somebody play a cruel trick on me by telling me it was pronounced Lemster?

    I think it's Lemster?
    Never unless you are mental
    It is pronounced Lemster, I have googled it.
    I would never use Lemster, an abomination of the English language
    It's always Lemster.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,157
    rcs1000 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I’m hearing from many local doctors that the continued cuts in Medicare payments to doctors are unsustainable. Doctors are going out of business. We must fix this so that we can provide the quality of care to our seniors.

    https://x.com/RepDonBacon/status/1900221985071772068?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^tweet

    And this is the reply that Twitter chooses to show me:


    Hopefully a contender for the 2025 Darwin Awards.... the he probably thinks Darwin is the spawn of Satan as well.
    You're making the (incorrect IMO) assumption that it's a post by a real person, I'd guess that it's a Russian AI bot.
    Which is the other reason why Russia has to lose in Ukraine.
    Putin would start a nuclear war rather than outright lose in Ukraine
    So in your view we have to let him have anything he wants...he wants ukraine...we give it to him because nukes...then he wants estonia so we give it to him because he has nukes....then he wants germany.....where do you call a halt?
    He can have Germany, but I'm quite fond of Estonia.
    "Tsar Alexander made it all the way to Paris!"
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,177
    Scott_xP said:

    @igorsushko

    Portugal intended to replace its fleet of 27 F-16 AM/BM fighter jets with F-35s.
    The NATO member has now ruled out purchasing the American 5th generation stealth fighters in favor of European alternatives.

    The US has a big trading surplus with Europe in arms manufacturing.
    Does Trump realise he’s wrecking that ?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 25,690

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    viewcode said:

    Just a reminder, peeps.

    If you are a man born after 5 April 1951 or a woman born after 5 April 1953
    You have until 5 April 2025 to pay voluntary contributions to make up for gaps between tax years April 2006 and April 2016 if you’re eligible. The eligibility link is here: https://www.gov.uk/voluntary-national-insurance-contributions

    I'm going to accidently miss it and then claim compensation anyway just like the WASPI women. I mean, what could go wrong with that?
    Given occasionalranter's note that this affects the next two years as well, perhaps we can start to understand that those Waspi women who are not top lawyers might not have been all over the detail.
    Talking of which can anyone from the PB brains trust help with this? My wife has, on the face of it, 38 qualifying years but in some of those years she was contracted out Do they count?
    No idea but it looks like she can check from gov.uk or via the HMRC app
    https://www.gov.uk/check-state-pension
    Indeed I have recently checked mine (I'm retiring at the end of the month) and I was maxed out by 59, with part of my pensionable service contracted out
    She can get more qualifying years if she took time off to raise any children. Also contracting out ended in 2016 so the last 9 years would count anyway. Looking at my record I was awarded qualifying years for my two years in sixth form as well, which was a surprise.
    I have 37 full years since leaving University plus three part years and (as you) full years while I was in sixth form. So I have been credited with full years despite being contracted out for part of that time. I can only assume that as long as you paid enough NI you could get a full credit even if you were contracted out.

    Alternatively they have fucked up and I will get to 67 and find I don't have a full record. Maybe I should save a screenshot.

    How many years do you need?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,827

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    viewcode said:

    Just a reminder, peeps.

    If you are a man born after 5 April 1951 or a woman born after 5 April 1953
    You have until 5 April 2025 to pay voluntary contributions to make up for gaps between tax years April 2006 and April 2016 if you’re eligible. The eligibility link is here: https://www.gov.uk/voluntary-national-insurance-contributions

    I'm going to accidently miss it and then claim compensation anyway just like the WASPI women. I mean, what could go wrong with that?
    Given occasionalranter's note that this affects the next two years as well, perhaps we can start to understand that those Waspi women who are not top lawyers might not have been all over the detail.
    Talking of which can anyone from the PB brains trust help with this? My wife has, on the face of it, 38 qualifying years but in some of those years she was contracted out Do they count?
    I believe they count as part years. I have 37 years but many were contracted out and I still have to buy a few more back. Easy for your wife to check her contribution situation online.
    Yes, my number of years was scaled back as I was contracted out most of my working life. It simply means you need to work, or buy, more years to reach the new (reduced) maximum. The pension entitlement calculator in gov.uk will tell her what her current entitlement is.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,098
    edited March 13
    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Being a working class Northerner, how do you lot pronounce Leominster?

    I've pronounced it Lemster my entire life but somebody I heard the other day called it Leo Minster.

    As a child did somebody play a cruel trick on me by telling me it was pronounced Lemster?

    I think it's Lemster?
    Never unless you are mental
    It is pronounced Lemster, I have googled it.
    I would never use Lemster, an abomination of the English language
    How would you say Bicester, mister?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,827

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    viewcode said:

    Just a reminder, peeps.

    If you are a man born after 5 April 1951 or a woman born after 5 April 1953
    You have until 5 April 2025 to pay voluntary contributions to make up for gaps between tax years April 2006 and April 2016 if you’re eligible. The eligibility link is here: https://www.gov.uk/voluntary-national-insurance-contributions

    I'm going to accidently miss it and then claim compensation anyway just like the WASPI women. I mean, what could go wrong with that?
    Given occasionalranter's note that this affects the next two years as well, perhaps we can start to understand that those Waspi women who are not top lawyers might not have been all over the detail.
    Talking of which can anyone from the PB brains trust help with this? My wife has, on the face of it, 38 qualifying years but in some of those years she was contracted out Do they count?
    As far as I know it means you were contracted out of SERPS, not the basic state pension.
    Yes, but when it was all wound up, they dealt with contracted out people by giving them less than a full year for each year worked.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,098
    MattW said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    viewcode said:

    Just a reminder, peeps.

    If you are a man born after 5 April 1951 or a woman born after 5 April 1953
    You have until 5 April 2025 to pay voluntary contributions to make up for gaps between tax years April 2006 and April 2016 if you’re eligible. The eligibility link is here: https://www.gov.uk/voluntary-national-insurance-contributions

    I'm going to accidently miss it and then claim compensation anyway just like the WASPI women. I mean, what could go wrong with that?
    Given occasionalranter's note that this affects the next two years as well, perhaps we can start to understand that those Waspi women who are not top lawyers might not have been all over the detail.
    Talking of which can anyone from the PB brains trust help with this? My wife has, on the face of it, 38 qualifying years but in some of those years she was contracted out Do they count?
    No idea but it looks like she can check from gov.uk or via the HMRC app
    https://www.gov.uk/check-state-pension
    Indeed I have recently checked mine (I'm retiring at the end of the month) and I was maxed out by 59, with part of my pensionable service contracted out
    She can get more qualifying years if she took time off to raise any children. Also contracting out ended in 2016 so the last 9 years would count anyway. Looking at my record I was awarded qualifying years for my two years in sixth form as well, which was a surprise.
    I have 37 full years since leaving University plus three part years and (as you) full years while I was in sixth form. So I have been credited with full years despite being contracted out for part of that time. I can only assume that as long as you paid enough NI you could get a full credit even if you were contracted out.

    Alternatively they have fucked up and I will get to 67 and find I don't have a full record. Maybe I should save a screenshot.

    How many years do you need?
    35 (but contracted out years don't count as full years - and nowhere can I find out how much of a year they do count for).
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,177
    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Being a working class Northerner, how do you lot pronounce Leominster?

    I've pronounced it Lemster my entire life but somebody I heard the other day called it Leo Minster.

    As a child did somebody play a cruel trick on me by telling me it was pronounced Lemster?

    I think it's Lemster?
    Never unless you are mental
    It is pronounced Lemster, I have googled it.
    I would never use Lemster, an abomination of the English language
    Would I tell you how to say Milngavie, malcolm ?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,827

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I’m hearing from many local doctors that the continued cuts in Medicare payments to doctors are unsustainable. Doctors are going out of business. We must fix this so that we can provide the quality of care to our seniors.

    https://x.com/RepDonBacon/status/1900221985071772068?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^tweet

    And this is the reply that Twitter chooses to show me:


    Hopefully a contender for the 2025 Darwin Awards.... the he probably thinks Darwin is the spawn of Satan as well.
    You're making the (incorrect IMO) assumption that it's a post by a real person, I'd guess that it's a Russian AI bot.
    Which is the other reason why Russia has to lose in Ukraine.
    Putin would start a nuclear war rather than outright lose in Ukraine
    So in your view we have to let him have anything he wants...he wants ukraine...we give it to him because nukes...then he wants estonia so we give it to him because he has nukes....then he wants germany.....where do you call a halt?
    Barking.
    If putin nuked barking nothing of value would be lost its a pit
    Just a mite too close to Ilford for comfort :lol:
    Before the bomb drops, if you live in Ilford South, sign this:

    https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/701540

    That seat is one of a tiny handful of places in the UK where nobody has, which is nothing to boast about.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 4,304

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    viewcode said:

    Just a reminder, peeps.

    If you are a man born after 5 April 1951 or a woman born after 5 April 1953
    You have until 5 April 2025 to pay voluntary contributions to make up for gaps between tax years April 2006 and April 2016 if you’re eligible. The eligibility link is here: https://www.gov.uk/voluntary-national-insurance-contributions

    I'm going to accidently miss it and then claim compensation anyway just like the WASPI women. I mean, what could go wrong with that?
    Given occasionalranter's note that this affects the next two years as well, perhaps we can start to understand that those Waspi women who are not top lawyers might not have been all over the detail.
    Talking of which can anyone from the PB brains trust help with this? My wife has, on the face of it, 38 qualifying years but in some of those years she was contracted out Do they count?
    No idea but it looks like she can check from gov.uk or via the HMRC app
    https://www.gov.uk/check-state-pension
    Indeed I have recently checked mine (I'm retiring at the end of the month) and I was maxed out by 59, with part of my pensionable service contracted out
    She can get more qualifying years if she took time off to raise any children. Also contracting out ended in 2016 so the last 9 years would count anyway. Looking at my record I was awarded qualifying years for my two years in sixth form as well, which was a surprise.
    I have 37 full years since leaving University plus three part years and (as you) full years while I was in sixth form. So I have been credited with full years despite being contracted out for part of that time. I can only assume that as long as you paid enough NI you could get a full credit even if you were contracted out.

    Alternatively they have fucked up and I will get to 67 and find I don't have a full record. Maybe I should save a screenshot.

    A note of caution... The HMRC website and app tell you that you have a full year's contribution for years you were contracted out but they won't count it fully when assessing whether you've reached the full 35 years quota.

    So I have 45 'full year' contributions but beacuse most of the time I was contracted out, I still end up with a current projection, based on contributions to date, of £201 pw, so £20 pw short of the £221 pw maximum.

    Confusingly my 'forecast' is showing as £214 pw but that's assuming I am going to be paying NI for the next two years until I reach State Retirement Age (I won't).
    Yes, very similar to me. I need 2 more years class 3 contributions before I am 67, but I have retired already on a teacher's pension. It's not worth paying 1800 now for an extra 10 per week before tax.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,827

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    viewcode said:

    Just a reminder, peeps.

    If you are a man born after 5 April 1951 or a woman born after 5 April 1953
    You have until 5 April 2025 to pay voluntary contributions to make up for gaps between tax years April 2006 and April 2016 if you’re eligible. The eligibility link is here: https://www.gov.uk/voluntary-national-insurance-contributions

    I'm going to accidently miss it and then claim compensation anyway just like the WASPI women. I mean, what could go wrong with that?
    Given occasionalranter's note that this affects the next two years as well, perhaps we can start to understand that those Waspi women who are not top lawyers might not have been all over the detail.
    Talking of which can anyone from the PB brains trust help with this? My wife has, on the face of it, 38 qualifying years but in some of those years she was contracted out Do they count?
    No idea but it looks like she can check from gov.uk or via the HMRC app
    https://www.gov.uk/check-state-pension
    Indeed I have recently checked mine (I'm retiring at the end of the month) and I was maxed out by 59, with part of my pensionable service contracted out
    She can get more qualifying years if she took time off to raise any children. Also contracting out ended in 2016 so the last 9 years would count anyway. Looking at my record I was awarded qualifying years for my two years in sixth form as well, which was a surprise.
    I have 37 full years since leaving University plus three part years and (as you) full years while I was in sixth form. So I have been credited with full years despite being contracted out for part of that time. I can only assume that as long as you paid enough NI you could get a full credit even if you were contracted out.

    Alternatively they have fucked up and I will get to 67 and find I don't have a full record. Maybe I should save a screenshot.

    A note of caution... The HMRC website and app tell you that you have a full year's contribution for years you were contracted out but they won't count it fully when assessing whether you've reached the full 35 years quota.

    So I have 45 'full year' contributions but beacuse most of the time I was contracted out, I still end up with a current projection, based on contributions to date, of £201 pw, so £20 pw short of the £221 pw maximum.

    Confusingly my 'forecast' is showing as £214 pw but that's assuming I am going to be paying NI for the next two years until I reach State Retirement Age (I won't).
    Yes, very similar to me. I need 2 more years class 3 contributions before I am 67, but I have retired already on a teacher's pension. It's not worth paying 1800 now for an extra 10 per week before tax.
    Actually, it is, unless you are terminally ill.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,588

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    viewcode said:

    Just a reminder, peeps.

    If you are a man born after 5 April 1951 or a woman born after 5 April 1953
    You have until 5 April 2025 to pay voluntary contributions to make up for gaps between tax years April 2006 and April 2016 if you’re eligible. The eligibility link is here: https://www.gov.uk/voluntary-national-insurance-contributions

    I'm going to accidently miss it and then claim compensation anyway just like the WASPI women. I mean, what could go wrong with that?
    Given occasionalranter's note that this affects the next two years as well, perhaps we can start to understand that those Waspi women who are not top lawyers might not have been all over the detail.
    Talking of which can anyone from the PB brains trust help with this? My wife has, on the face of it, 38 qualifying years but in some of those years she was contracted out Do they count?
    No idea but it looks like she can check from gov.uk or via the HMRC app
    https://www.gov.uk/check-state-pension
    Indeed I have recently checked mine (I'm retiring at the end of the month) and I was maxed out by 59, with part of my pensionable service contracted out
    She can get more qualifying years if she took time off to raise any children. Also contracting out ended in 2016 so the last 9 years would count anyway. Looking at my record I was awarded qualifying years for my two years in sixth form as well, which was a surprise.
    I have 37 full years since leaving University plus three part years and (as you) full years while I was in sixth form. So I have been credited with full years despite being contracted out for part of that time. I can only assume that as long as you paid enough NI you could get a full credit even if you were contracted out.

    Alternatively they have fucked up and I will get to 67 and find I don't have a full record. Maybe I should save a screenshot.

    You might have to phone HMRC, and phone DWP, and talk things through. Nothing else worked for us a few years back. The website did not give an accurate result. Which and Martin Lewis were both warning about it. It might be advisable to check what they are saying now.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,827

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Being a working class Northerner, how do you lot pronounce Leominster?

    I've pronounced it Lemster my entire life but somebody I heard the other day called it Leo Minster.

    As a child did somebody play a cruel trick on me by telling me it was pronounced Lemster?

    I think it's Lemster?
    Never unless you are mental
    It is pronounced Lemster, I have googled it.
    I would never use Lemster, an abomination of the English language
    How would you say Bicester, mister?
    Best avoid going anywhere where you might have to.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 25,690
    Nigelb said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @igorsushko

    Portugal intended to replace its fleet of 27 F-16 AM/BM fighter jets with F-35s.
    The NATO member has now ruled out purchasing the American 5th generation stealth fighters in favor of European alternatives.

    The US has a big trading surplus with Europe in arms manufacturing.
    Does Trump realise he’s wrecking that ?
    Portugal is currently on F16s.

    Replacements were from 2030, and their F16s are recent, so they have time.

    An easier decision than some, as they were not firm orders.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,827

    Scott_xP said:

    @Number10cat

    Trump (the genius) is about to place a 200% tax on Guinness the week of St Patrick's Day...

    Good timing to bring in the tariff revenue.
    Guinness should have continued to brew in the UK
    The global penguin shortage put paid to that.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,157
    IanB2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I’m hearing from many local doctors that the continued cuts in Medicare payments to doctors are unsustainable. Doctors are going out of business. We must fix this so that we can provide the quality of care to our seniors.

    https://x.com/RepDonBacon/status/1900221985071772068?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^tweet

    And this is the reply that Twitter chooses to show me:


    Hopefully a contender for the 2025 Darwin Awards.... the he probably thinks Darwin is the spawn of Satan as well.
    You're making the (incorrect IMO) assumption that it's a post by a real person, I'd guess that it's a Russian AI bot.
    Which is the other reason why Russia has to lose in Ukraine.
    Putin would start a nuclear war rather than outright lose in Ukraine
    So in your view we have to let him have anything he wants...he wants ukraine...we give it to him because nukes...then he wants estonia so we give it to him because he has nukes....then he wants germany.....where do you call a halt?
    Barking.
    If putin nuked barking nothing of value would be lost its a pit
    Just a mite too close to Ilford for comfort :lol:
    Before the bomb drops, if you live in Ilford South, sign this:

    https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/701540

    That seat is one of a tiny handful of places in the UK where nobody has, which is nothing to boast about.
    Alas, I'm in the North Ilford Ghetto :lol:
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,737
    IanB2 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @Number10cat

    Trump (the genius) is about to place a 200% tax on Guinness the week of St Patrick's Day...

    Good timing to bring in the tariff revenue.
    Guinness should have continued to brew in the UK
    The global penguin shortage put paid to that.
    "Smile and wave boys, smile and wave."
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,078
    @LarrySabato

    NEW Quinnipiac Poll--Bad news for Trump.

    Approval down to 42% (53% disapprove).

    Disapproval high on economy (54%), federal workforce (54%), Ukraine-Russia (55%), trade w/Mexico (56%), trade w/Canada (58%).

    62% think supporting Ukraine is in our national interest.

    By 60% to 33%, respondents OPPOSE eliminating the Department of Education.

    By 57% to 35%, respondents think UNVACCINATED children should not be allowed to attend schools or childcare facilities.

    https://x.com/LarrySabato/status/1900253625441526086

  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,098

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    viewcode said:

    Just a reminder, peeps.

    If you are a man born after 5 April 1951 or a woman born after 5 April 1953
    You have until 5 April 2025 to pay voluntary contributions to make up for gaps between tax years April 2006 and April 2016 if you’re eligible. The eligibility link is here: https://www.gov.uk/voluntary-national-insurance-contributions

    I'm going to accidently miss it and then claim compensation anyway just like the WASPI women. I mean, what could go wrong with that?
    Given occasionalranter's note that this affects the next two years as well, perhaps we can start to understand that those Waspi women who are not top lawyers might not have been all over the detail.
    Talking of which can anyone from the PB brains trust help with this? My wife has, on the face of it, 38 qualifying years but in some of those years she was contracted out Do they count?
    No idea but it looks like she can check from gov.uk or via the HMRC app
    https://www.gov.uk/check-state-pension
    Indeed I have recently checked mine (I'm retiring at the end of the month) and I was maxed out by 59, with part of my pensionable service contracted out
    She can get more qualifying years if she took time off to raise any children. Also contracting out ended in 2016 so the last 9 years would count anyway. Looking at my record I was awarded qualifying years for my two years in sixth form as well, which was a surprise.
    I have 37 full years since leaving University plus three part years and (as you) full years while I was in sixth form. So I have been credited with full years despite being contracted out for part of that time. I can only assume that as long as you paid enough NI you could get a full credit even if you were contracted out.

    Alternatively they have fucked up and I will get to 67 and find I don't have a full record. Maybe I should save a screenshot.

    A note of caution... The HMRC website and app tell you that you have a full year's contribution for years you were contracted out but they won't count it fully when assessing whether you've reached the full 35 years quota.

    So I have 45 'full year' contributions but beacuse most of the time I was contracted out, I still end up with a current projection, based on contributions to date, of £201 pw, so £20 pw short of the £221 pw maximum.

    Confusingly my 'forecast' is showing as £214 pw but that's assuming I am going to be paying NI for the next two years until I reach State Retirement Age (I won't).
    Yes, very similar to me. I need 2 more years class 3 contributions before I am 67, but I have retired already on a teacher's pension. It's not worth paying 1800 now for an extra 10 per week before tax.
    I have 3 years to buy back.

    At 40% tax the payback is 126 weeks, 172 weeks and 194 weeks respectively for each of those years.

    So worthwhile numerically but... can I be bothered for (checks) £11.37 pw after tax?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,827

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    viewcode said:

    Just a reminder, peeps.

    If you are a man born after 5 April 1951 or a woman born after 5 April 1953
    You have until 5 April 2025 to pay voluntary contributions to make up for gaps between tax years April 2006 and April 2016 if you’re eligible. The eligibility link is here: https://www.gov.uk/voluntary-national-insurance-contributions

    I'm going to accidently miss it and then claim compensation anyway just like the WASPI women. I mean, what could go wrong with that?
    Given occasionalranter's note that this affects the next two years as well, perhaps we can start to understand that those Waspi women who are not top lawyers might not have been all over the detail.
    Talking of which can anyone from the PB brains trust help with this? My wife has, on the face of it, 38 qualifying years but in some of those years she was contracted out Do they count?
    No idea but it looks like she can check from gov.uk or via the HMRC app
    https://www.gov.uk/check-state-pension
    Indeed I have recently checked mine (I'm retiring at the end of the month) and I was maxed out by 59, with part of my pensionable service contracted out
    She can get more qualifying years if she took time off to raise any children. Also contracting out ended in 2016 so the last 9 years would count anyway. Looking at my record I was awarded qualifying years for my two years in sixth form as well, which was a surprise.
    I have 37 full years since leaving University plus three part years and (as you) full years while I was in sixth form. So I have been credited with full years despite being contracted out for part of that time. I can only assume that as long as you paid enough NI you could get a full credit even if you were contracted out.

    Alternatively they have fucked up and I will get to 67 and find I don't have a full record. Maybe I should save a screenshot.

    A note of caution... The HMRC website and app tell you that you have a full year's contribution for years you were contracted out but they won't count it fully when assessing whether you've reached the full 35 years quota.

    So I have 45 'full year' contributions but beacuse most of the time I was contracted out, I still end up with a current projection, based on contributions to date, of £201 pw, so £20 pw short of the £221 pw maximum.

    Confusingly my 'forecast' is showing as £214 pw but that's assuming I am going to be paying NI for the next two years until I reach State Retirement Age (I won't).
    Yes, very similar to me. I need 2 more years class 3 contributions before I am 67, but I have retired already on a teacher's pension. It's not worth paying 1800 now for an extra 10 per week before tax.
    I have 3 years to buy back.

    At 40% tax the payback is 126 weeks, 172 weeks and 194 weeks respectively for each of those years.

    So worthwhile numerically but... can I be bothered for (checks) £11.37 pw after tax?
    A good return is a good return.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 4,820
    Scott_xP said:

    @LarrySabato

    NEW Quinnipiac Poll--Bad news for Trump.

    Approval down to 42% (53% disapprove).

    Disapproval high on economy (54%), federal workforce (54%), Ukraine-Russia (55%), trade w/Mexico (56%), trade w/Canada (58%).

    62% think supporting Ukraine is in our national interest.

    By 60% to 33%, respondents OPPOSE eliminating the Department of Education.

    By 57% to 35%, respondents think UNVACCINATED children should not be allowed to attend schools or childcare facilities.

    https://x.com/LarrySabato/status/1900253625441526086

    Still troubling that so many still think he’s doing a good job .
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,321
    Eabhal said:

    Mark Rutte is offending the Danes now

    https://x.com/rasmusjarlov/status/1900261442781405455

    We do not appreciate the Secr. Gen. of NATO joking with Trump about Greenland like this. It would mean war between two NATO countries. Greenland has just voted against immediate independence from Denmark and does not want to be American ever.

    I feel sorry for Rutte. What a horrible situation to find yourself in. I guess one European politician is going to snap soon - Trudeau and Carney have already got stuck in.
    He also didn’t say that NATO was going to sit out, just that he wasn’t going to address it in his answer because it was between Denmark and the US
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,588
    IanB2 said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    viewcode said:

    Just a reminder, peeps.

    If you are a man born after 5 April 1951 or a woman born after 5 April 1953
    You have until 5 April 2025 to pay voluntary contributions to make up for gaps between tax years April 2006 and April 2016 if you’re eligible. The eligibility link is here: https://www.gov.uk/voluntary-national-insurance-contributions

    I'm going to accidently miss it and then claim compensation anyway just like the WASPI women. I mean, what could go wrong with that?
    Given occasionalranter's note that this affects the next two years as well, perhaps we can start to understand that those Waspi women who are not top lawyers might not have been all over the detail.
    Talking of which can anyone from the PB brains trust help with this? My wife has, on the face of it, 38 qualifying years but in some of those years she was contracted out Do they count?
    No idea but it looks like she can check from gov.uk or via the HMRC app
    https://www.gov.uk/check-state-pension
    Indeed I have recently checked mine (I'm retiring at the end of the month) and I was maxed out by 59, with part of my pensionable service contracted out
    She can get more qualifying years if she took time off to raise any children. Also contracting out ended in 2016 so the last 9 years would count anyway. Looking at my record I was awarded qualifying years for my two years in sixth form as well, which was a surprise.
    I have 37 full years since leaving University plus three part years and (as you) full years while I was in sixth form. So I have been credited with full years despite being contracted out for part of that time. I can only assume that as long as you paid enough NI you could get a full credit even if you were contracted out.

    Alternatively they have fucked up and I will get to 67 and find I don't have a full record. Maybe I should save a screenshot.

    A note of caution... The HMRC website and app tell you that you have a full year's contribution for years you were contracted out but they won't count it fully when assessing whether you've reached the full 35 years quota.

    So I have 45 'full year' contributions but beacuse most of the time I was contracted out, I still end up with a current projection, based on contributions to date, of £201 pw, so £20 pw short of the £221 pw maximum.

    Confusingly my 'forecast' is showing as £214 pw but that's assuming I am going to be paying NI for the next two years until I reach State Retirement Age (I won't).
    Yes, very similar to me. I need 2 more years class 3 contributions before I am 67, but I have retired already on a teacher's pension. It's not worth paying 1800 now for an extra 10 per week before tax.
    I have 3 years to buy back.

    At 40% tax the payback is 126 weeks, 172 weeks and 194 weeks respectively for each of those years.

    So worthwhile numerically but... can I be bothered for (checks) £11.37 pw after tax?
    A good return is a good return.
    Index-linked, at least for the moment.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,515
    Scott_xP said:

    @LarrySabato

    NEW Quinnipiac Poll--Bad news for Trump.

    Approval down to 42% (53% disapprove).

    Disapproval high on economy (54%), federal workforce (54%), Ukraine-Russia (55%), trade w/Mexico (56%), trade w/Canada (58%).

    62% think supporting Ukraine is in our national interest.

    By 60% to 33%, respondents OPPOSE eliminating the Department of Education.

    By 57% to 35%, respondents think UNVACCINATED children should not be allowed to attend schools or childcare facilities.

    https://x.com/LarrySabato/status/1900253625441526086

    There's always swingback.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,890
    "Why Berlin Built a $7BN Empty Airport

    The turbulent 30-year journey of Brandenburg Airport."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVcg8uHKuwo
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,292
    nico67 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @LarrySabato

    NEW Quinnipiac Poll--Bad news for Trump.

    Approval down to 42% (53% disapprove).

    Disapproval high on economy (54%), federal workforce (54%), Ukraine-Russia (55%), trade w/Mexico (56%), trade w/Canada (58%).

    62% think supporting Ukraine is in our national interest.

    By 60% to 33%, respondents OPPOSE eliminating the Department of Education.

    By 57% to 35%, respondents think UNVACCINATED children should not be allowed to attend schools or childcare facilities.

    https://x.com/LarrySabato/status/1900253625441526086

    Still troubling that so many still think he’s doing a good job .
    He has a strong hold on about a third of the country. It's unfathomable but there you go.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,124
    kinabalu said:

    nico67 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @LarrySabato

    NEW Quinnipiac Poll--Bad news for Trump.

    Approval down to 42% (53% disapprove).

    Disapproval high on economy (54%), federal workforce (54%), Ukraine-Russia (55%), trade w/Mexico (56%), trade w/Canada (58%).

    62% think supporting Ukraine is in our national interest.

    By 60% to 33%, respondents OPPOSE eliminating the Department of Education.

    By 57% to 35%, respondents think UNVACCINATED children should not be allowed to attend schools or childcare facilities.

    https://x.com/LarrySabato/status/1900253625441526086

    Still troubling that so many still think he’s doing a good job .
    He has a strong hold on about a third of the country. It's unfathomable but there you go.
    He must be winning you just over a little bit with his efforts to reduce inequality by crashing the stock market.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,177
    GITMO detention plans hit another bump. The Administration’s decision to take migrants to Gitmo appears at best to have been an expensive photo op. Now Fox News has learned all the migrants held at Gitmo have been sent back to the U.S. and plans to send more to the U.S. Naval Station have been put on hold.
    https://x.com/JenGriffinFNC/status/1899988929547559356
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,177
    @RheinmetallAG is looking to build solid-fuel motors for missiles with a range of up to 2,000 km.

    Massive for Europe's missile industry if true and a major step in the direction of setting up a European production line for medium-range ballistic missiles.

    https://x.com/FRHoffmann1/status/1900265450455380078
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,737
    Whisper it quietly but that was a decent performance from United tonight.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,177
    I strongly agree with this.
    Semiconductor fabs are also a strategic industry for Europe’s future security.

    Asia and the US are charging ahead on semiconductors. Europe needs to move faster. The largest planned investment in Europe was unfortunately Intel's new fab in Germany which has now been paused.
    https://x.com/kyleichan/status/1900223945510420721

    This would require a lot of government funding to happen, of course. Which could probably happen only on a Europe wide scale.
  • Labour selected their candidate.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,890

    Labour selected their candidate.

    Karen Shore.
  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,397
    Nigelb said:

    @RheinmetallAG is looking to build solid-fuel motors for missiles with a range of up to 2,000 km.

    Massive for Europe's missile industry if true and a major step in the direction of setting up a European production line for medium-range ballistic missiles.

    https://x.com/FRHoffmann1/status/1900265450455380078

    Whatever they end up calling the missile, I suggest they avoid the characters "V" and "3" ...
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,124
    Fishing said:

    Nigelb said:

    @RheinmetallAG is looking to build solid-fuel motors for missiles with a range of up to 2,000 km.

    Massive for Europe's missile industry if true and a major step in the direction of setting up a European production line for medium-range ballistic missiles.

    https://x.com/FRHoffmann1/status/1900265450455380078

    Whatever they end up calling the missile, I suggest they avoid the characters "V" and "3" ...
    Wunderwaffen?
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 4,304
    edited March 13
    IanB2 said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    viewcode said:

    Just a reminder, peeps.

    If you are a man born after 5 April 1951 or a woman born after 5 April 1953
    You have until 5 April 2025 to pay voluntary contributions to make up for gaps between tax years April 2006 and April 2016 if you’re eligible. The eligibility link is here: https://www.gov.uk/voluntary-national-insurance-contributions

    I'm going to accidently miss it and then claim compensation anyway just like the WASPI women. I mean, what could go wrong with that?
    Given occasionalranter's note that this affects the next two years as well, perhaps we can start to understand that those Waspi women who are not top lawyers might not have been all over the detail.
    Talking of which can anyone from the PB brains trust help with this? My wife has, on the face of it, 38 qualifying years but in some of those years she was contracted out Do they count?
    No idea but it looks like she can check from gov.uk or via the HMRC app
    https://www.gov.uk/check-state-pension
    Indeed I have recently checked mine (I'm retiring at the end of the month) and I was maxed out by 59, with part of my pensionable service contracted out
    She can get more qualifying years if she took time off to raise any children. Also contracting out ended in 2016 so the last 9 years would count anyway. Looking at my record I was awarded qualifying years for my two years in sixth form as well, which was a surprise.
    I have 37 full years since leaving University plus three part years and (as you) full years while I was in sixth form. So I have been credited with full years despite being contracted out for part of that time. I can only assume that as long as you paid enough NI you could get a full credit even if you were contracted out.

    Alternatively they have fucked up and I will get to 67 and find I don't have a full record. Maybe I should save a screenshot.

    A note of caution... The HMRC website and app tell you that you have a full year's contribution for years you were contracted out but they won't count it fully when assessing whether you've reached the full 35 years quota.

    So I have 45 'full year' contributions but beacuse most of the time I was contracted out, I still end up with a current projection, based on contributions to date, of £201 pw, so £20 pw short of the £221 pw maximum.

    Confusingly my 'forecast' is showing as £214 pw but that's assuming I am going to be paying NI for the next two years until I reach State Retirement Age (I won't).
    Yes, very similar to me. I need 2 more years class 3 contributions before I am 67, but I have retired already on a teacher's pension. It's not worth paying 1800 now for an extra 10 per week before tax.
    Actually, it is, unless you are terminally ill.
    Thankfully I am not, but perhaps if the comet returns it could be a moot point.

    edit: asteroid?

  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,360
    Starmer: "I don’t see why the decision about £200 billion of taxpayer money on something as fundamental to our security as the NHS should be taken by an arm’s-length body."

    Bit of a reach there. "Quick, mention security all the time!"
  • Frank_BoothFrank_Booth Posts: 108
    HYUFD said:

    Pagan2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I’m hearing from many local doctors that the continued cuts in Medicare payments to doctors are unsustainable. Doctors are going out of business. We must fix this so that we can provide the quality of care to our seniors.

    https://x.com/RepDonBacon/status/1900221985071772068?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^tweet

    And this is the reply that Twitter chooses to show me:


    Hopefully a contender for the 2025 Darwin Awards.... the he probably thinks Darwin is the spawn of Satan as well.
    You're making the (incorrect IMO) assumption that it's a post by a real person, I'd guess that it's a Russian AI bot.
    Which is the other reason why Russia has to lose in Ukraine.
    Putin would start a nuclear war rather than outright lose in Ukraine
    So in your view we have to let him have anything he wants...he wants ukraine...we give it to him because nukes...then he wants estonia so we give it to him because he has nukes....then he wants germany.....where do you call a halt?
    No just you do enough to keep Ukraine largely free but not so far as to lead to nuclear war. Of course Germany and other European nations could have developed their own nukes like the French and British have
    Where have you got all this terror of nuclear war from?
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,134

    Cookie said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Being a working class Northerner, how do you lot pronounce Leominster?

    I've pronounced it Lemster my entire life but somebody I heard the other day called it Leo Minster.

    As a child did somebody play a cruel trick on me by telling me it was pronounced Lemster?

    I think it's Lemster?
    I've always pronounced it Lemster. But perhaps its one of those places where people from close to the place contract and people who live in the place do not - like Southwell (called Suth'll in Notts, but SouthWell by those who actually live there - though there are multiple views on this).
    The people who live there call it Suthell (I was born and brought up there in the 50s and 60s - it's newer incomers who insist it's call South Well). And Norwell is pronounced Norell, by the way.
    Yep. I have always called it Suthell as have all my friends who came from there. As you say anyone who was from an old family there called it that. It was those who moved there after the 70s when it was becoming popular as a posh alternative to Newark who started calling it South-Well.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,437

    At current rate of insane escalation in 3.5 years time Trump will be putting a 1,000,000,000% tariff on the EU and threatening to nuke Alpha Centauri.

    Wasn’t that yesterday?
  • glwglw Posts: 10,252
    Scott_xP said:

    @LarrySabato

    NEW Quinnipiac Poll--Bad news for Trump.

    Approval down to 42% (53% disapprove).

    Disapproval high on economy (54%), federal workforce (54%), Ukraine-Russia (55%), trade w/Mexico (56%), trade w/Canada (58%).

    62% think supporting Ukraine is in our national interest.

    By 60% to 33%, respondents OPPOSE eliminating the Department of Education.

    By 57% to 35%, respondents think UNVACCINATED children should not be allowed to attend schools or childcare facilities.

    https://x.com/LarrySabato/status/1900253625441526086

    And we should remember a lot of the mad stuff Trump wants to do hasn't had an impact yet, this is merely how people feel based on news stories, not seeing the actual effects.
  • glwglw Posts: 10,252
    Nigelb said:

    @RheinmetallAG is looking to build solid-fuel motors for missiles with a range of up to 2,000 km.

    Massive for Europe's missile industry if true and a major step in the direction of setting up a European production line for medium-range ballistic missiles.

    https://x.com/FRHoffmann1/status/1900265450455380078

    Hopefully with a British H-bomb on the top.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,477
    Fishing said:

    Nigelb said:

    @RheinmetallAG is looking to build solid-fuel motors for missiles with a range of up to 2,000 km.

    Massive for Europe's missile industry if true and a major step in the direction of setting up a European production line for medium-range ballistic missiles.

    https://x.com/FRHoffmann1/status/1900265450455380078

    Whatever they end up calling the missile, I suggest they avoid the characters "V" and "3" ...
    That one has been used, V4 is next
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,177
    glw said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @LarrySabato

    NEW Quinnipiac Poll--Bad news for Trump.

    Approval down to 42% (53% disapprove).

    Disapproval high on economy (54%), federal workforce (54%), Ukraine-Russia (55%), trade w/Mexico (56%), trade w/Canada (58%).

    62% think supporting Ukraine is in our national interest.

    By 60% to 33%, respondents OPPOSE eliminating the Department of Education.

    By 57% to 35%, respondents think UNVACCINATED children should not be allowed to attend schools or childcare facilities.

    https://x.com/LarrySabato/status/1900253625441526086

    And we should remember a lot of the mad stuff Trump wants to do hasn't had an impact yet, this is merely how people feel based on news stories, not seeing the actual effects.
    Acquiring Greenland has to be popular, though. Doesn't it ?

    "Expanding US territory will help the nation prosper"

    Disagree: 68%
    Agree: 29%

    Ipsos / March 12, 2025 / n=1422

    https://x.com/USA_Polling/status/1900265974311305399
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,124
    Nigelb said:

    glw said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @LarrySabato

    NEW Quinnipiac Poll--Bad news for Trump.

    Approval down to 42% (53% disapprove).

    Disapproval high on economy (54%), federal workforce (54%), Ukraine-Russia (55%), trade w/Mexico (56%), trade w/Canada (58%).

    62% think supporting Ukraine is in our national interest.

    By 60% to 33%, respondents OPPOSE eliminating the Department of Education.

    By 57% to 35%, respondents think UNVACCINATED children should not be allowed to attend schools or childcare facilities.

    https://x.com/LarrySabato/status/1900253625441526086

    And we should remember a lot of the mad stuff Trump wants to do hasn't had an impact yet, this is merely how people feel based on news stories, not seeing the actual effects.
    Acquiring Greenland has to be popular, though. Doesn't it ?

    "Expanding US territory will help the nation prosper"

    Disagree: 68%
    Agree: 29%

    Ipsos / March 12, 2025 / n=1422

    https://x.com/USA_Polling/status/1900265974311305399
    Those numbers might change when people realise that expanding US territory increases the size of the tariff-free zone.
  • Nigelb said:

    I strongly agree with this.
    Semiconductor fabs are also a strategic industry for Europe’s future security.

    Asia and the US are charging ahead on semiconductors. Europe needs to move faster. The largest planned investment in Europe was unfortunately Intel's new fab in Germany which has now been paused.
    https://x.com/kyleichan/status/1900223945510420721

    This would require a lot of government funding to happen, of course. Which could probably happen only on a Europe wide scale.

    That's probably an understatement, the funding would be gargantuan if they're really doing this for security and not just prestige. For semiconductor security you don't just need the fabs, which are hugely expensive on their own, you need design houses, packaging, verification, EDA software development. And you need to convince industry to use the resulting chips, presumably by subsidising them to an extent.

    And, to be frank, there's a limit to what can be achieved even with unlimited funds. Nobody in Europe is getting equivalence with the US in CPUs, GPUs or FPGAs anywhere in the next 15 years. I wouldn't even try, their lead is too great. China has been pumping money into these sectors, CPUs in particular, and the best they've got out of it was a family of chips based on old AMD technology that are roughly comparable to AMD products from 2017.

    Other product lines like MCUs, SoCs, CPLDs, PMCs, etc. are more viable. Europe already has a strong position in the MCU/SoC market thanks to ST Micro's chips that are based on the UK developed ARM architecture. My rule of thumb, if a chip costs less than $20 Europe should be able to produce a fully domestic equivalent given enough political will.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,759
    Robert Colville last week on the NHS reorganisation. Now somewhat overtaken by events but still interesting

    https://archive.is/G53eW
  • glw said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @LarrySabato

    NEW Quinnipiac Poll--Bad news for Trump.

    Approval down to 42% (53% disapprove).

    Disapproval high on economy (54%), federal workforce (54%), Ukraine-Russia (55%), trade w/Mexico (56%), trade w/Canada (58%).

    62% think supporting Ukraine is in our national interest.

    By 60% to 33%, respondents OPPOSE eliminating the Department of Education.

    By 57% to 35%, respondents think UNVACCINATED children should not be allowed to attend schools or childcare facilities.

    https://x.com/LarrySabato/status/1900253625441526086

    And we should remember a lot of the mad stuff Trump wants to do hasn't had an impact yet, this is merely how people feel based on news stories, not seeing the actual effects.
    Why the hell should unvaccinated children/people be barred from doing anything/going anywhere? There are millions of them around after all..Batshit crazy opinion..but no doubt highly inaccurate polling..💩
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,759
    You may enjoy Asianometry's output: he's very detailed on chip manufacture amongst many other things on the region

    https://www.asianometry.com/
    Https://www.youtube.com/@Asianometry
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,910

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Being a working class Northerner, how do you lot pronounce Leominster?

    I've pronounced it Lemster my entire life but somebody I heard the other day called it Leo Minster.

    As a child did somebody play a cruel trick on me by telling me it was pronounced Lemster?

    I think it's Lemster?
    Never unless you are mental
    It is pronounced Lemster, I have googled it.
    I would never use Lemster, an abomination of the English language
    How would you say Bicester, mister?
    Bister of course, how else
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 9,728
    edited March 13

    glw said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @LarrySabato

    NEW Quinnipiac Poll--Bad news for Trump.

    Approval down to 42% (53% disapprove).

    Disapproval high on economy (54%), federal workforce (54%), Ukraine-Russia (55%), trade w/Mexico (56%), trade w/Canada (58%).

    62% think supporting Ukraine is in our national interest.

    By 60% to 33%, respondents OPPOSE eliminating the Department of Education.

    By 57% to 35%, respondents think UNVACCINATED children should not be allowed to attend schools or childcare facilities.

    https://x.com/LarrySabato/status/1900253625441526086

    And we should remember a lot of the mad stuff Trump wants to do hasn't had an impact yet, this is merely how people feel based on news stories, not seeing the actual effects.
    Why the hell should unvaccinated children/people be barred from doing anything/going anywhere? There are millions of them around after all..Batshit crazy opinion..but no doubt highly inaccurate polling..💩
    Not an expert, but I believe many parents are highly protective of their children and will do an awful lot to keep them safe. Keeping them away from kids spreading mumps, measles rubella isn't such an extreme idea.
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,287

    glw said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @LarrySabato

    NEW Quinnipiac Poll--Bad news for Trump.

    Approval down to 42% (53% disapprove).

    Disapproval high on economy (54%), federal workforce (54%), Ukraine-Russia (55%), trade w/Mexico (56%), trade w/Canada (58%).

    62% think supporting Ukraine is in our national interest.

    By 60% to 33%, respondents OPPOSE eliminating the Department of Education.

    By 57% to 35%, respondents think UNVACCINATED children should not be allowed to attend schools or childcare facilities.

    https://x.com/LarrySabato/status/1900253625441526086

    And we should remember a lot of the mad stuff Trump wants to do hasn't had an impact yet, this is merely how people feel based on news stories, not seeing the actual effects.
    Why the hell should unvaccinated children/people be barred from doing anything/going anywhere? There are millions of them around after all..Batshit crazy opinion..but no doubt highly inaccurate polling..💩
    If the US has stopped vaccination of children, then they must nor be allowed into this country without a vaccination certificate. In the same way that vaccination against malaria or yellow fever needs to be proven when travelling to West Africa- we must not have Americans travelling here and putting kids at risk because RFK is a moron.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,910
    Nigelb said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Being a working class Northerner, how do you lot pronounce Leominster?

    I've pronounced it Lemster my entire life but somebody I heard the other day called it Leo Minster.

    As a child did somebody play a cruel trick on me by telling me it was pronounced Lemster?

    I think it's Lemster?
    Never unless you are mental
    It is pronounced Lemster, I have googled it.
    I would never use Lemster, an abomination of the English language
    Would I tell you how to say Milngavie, malcolm ?
    you may well Nigel, free speech and all that Millan gavie of course
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,481

    Nigelb said:

    I strongly agree with this.
    Semiconductor fabs are also a strategic industry for Europe’s future security.

    Asia and the US are charging ahead on semiconductors. Europe needs to move faster. The largest planned investment in Europe was unfortunately Intel's new fab in Germany which has now been paused.
    https://x.com/kyleichan/status/1900223945510420721

    This would require a lot of government funding to happen, of course. Which could probably happen only on a Europe wide scale.

    That's probably an understatement, the funding would be gargantuan if they're really doing this for security and not just prestige. For semiconductor security you don't just need the fabs, which are hugely expensive on their own, you need design houses, packaging, verification, EDA software development. And you need to convince industry to use the resulting chips, presumably by subsidising them to an extent.

    And, to be frank, there's a limit to what can be achieved even with unlimited funds. Nobody in Europe is getting equivalence with the US in CPUs, GPUs or FPGAs anywhere in the next 15 years. I wouldn't even try, their lead is too great. China has been pumping money into these sectors, CPUs in particular, and the best they've got out of it was a family of chips based on old AMD technology that are roughly comparable to AMD products from 2017.

    Other product lines like MCUs, SoCs, CPLDs, PMCs, etc. are more viable. Europe already has a strong position in the MCU/SoC market thanks to ST Micro's chips that are based on the UK developed ARM architecture. My rule of thumb, if a chip costs less than $20 Europe should be able to produce a fully domestic equivalent given enough political will.
    A decade or so ago the UK stopped funding research into things like MOSFETs.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,217

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Putin says he will agree a ceasefire that leads to an 'enduring peace' but with conditions that Ukraine likely won't accept

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cgj5w6veqw6t

    And Trump will pressure Ukraine to accept conditions - like no weapons shipments.

    And Ukraine will reluctantly concede.

    And then Russia will attack again in six months time.
    And then weapons shipments to Ukraine would start again, maybe even from the US if Russia breached the deal
    It'll be a bit late by then.
    Why? A few months for Europe and Canada to invest in arms and defence via a ceasefire and if Russia breaches could then be deployed
    Are we as NATO going to recapture Kyiv after Putin breaks the ceasefire and takes Ukraine.
    No we didn't last time, just provide aid as before.

    If Putin broke an agreed ceasefire US arms to Ukraine would also likely resume based on Trump's statements but a ceasefire has to be agreed first to break
    Then your programme of rearming Ukraine after they have been captured by Moscow means you are too late.
    Utter crap, the moment Russian troops broke a ceasefire arms would resume, they couldn't even capture Kyiv last time.

    However Zelensky would have to have accepted a ceasefire on such terms anyway
    Yeah but last time Ukraine had soldiers and weaponry. This time if they follow your advice they won't have soldiers and weaponry.
    Why? They have soldiers and weaponry now which they could put in storage for if and when a ceasefire is broken.

    If Putin and Zelensky agree a ceasefire that
    is for them, you clearly would rather you and
    your house were evaporated by a Russian
    nuke!
    Are you just being argumentative, or do you truly not understand how unbalanced Russia’s proposal is?


    Well if it is that unbalanced Zelensky won't agree those terms anyway
    Which is designed to make the US swing back towards Russia.

    This whole thing is a game between the UK and Russia on who can swing Trump.
    If Zelensky was sensible he would agree a
    ceasefire on current lines but have it written in the agreement by Trump US aid and arms to Ukraine and sanctions on Russia would resume if Russian troops moved an inch beyond current Russian lines and refuse to sign without that in writing
    A) sweet that you trust Trump
    B) So Russia rearms and Ukraine doesn’t. And then Russia invades again. Doesn’t
    seem… fair
    Ukraine can rearm via its own factories
    even under Putin’s terms, just not via imported arms.

    And if Russia invaded then the US would also resume arms to Ukraine under the
    terms I proposed Zelensky signs



    How sweet that you trust Trump

    Suggest you stick to the entrails of Tory party politics and polling data where you have sone clue what you are talking about

    Fine I will stick sweetly on the sidelines and you can push us to nuclear war with Russia
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,910
    Been good fun tonight but I must be off to bed , good night to all , hope you enjoyed your lessons on pronunciation.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,124
    https://x.com/samramani2/status/1900300832123343109

    BREAKING: The US will supply an upgraded round of GLSDB bombs to Ukraine
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,217
    Dr Luke Evans good on QT, articulate, telegenic, reasonably centrist and an ex GP. Could be a longshot bet for a future Tory leader, he is currently a Shadow Health Minister
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,124
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Putin says he will agree a ceasefire that leads to an 'enduring peace' but with conditions that Ukraine likely won't accept

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cgj5w6veqw6t

    And Trump will pressure Ukraine to accept conditions - like no weapons shipments.

    And Ukraine will reluctantly concede.

    And then Russia will attack again in six months time.
    And then weapons shipments to Ukraine would start again, maybe even from the US if Russia breached the deal
    It'll be a bit late by then.
    Why? A few months for Europe and Canada to invest in arms and defence via a ceasefire and if Russia breaches could then be deployed
    Are we as NATO going to recapture Kyiv after Putin breaks the ceasefire and takes Ukraine.
    No we didn't last time, just provide aid as before.

    If Putin broke an agreed ceasefire US arms to Ukraine would also likely resume based on Trump's statements but a ceasefire has to be agreed first to break
    Then your programme of rearming Ukraine after they have been captured by Moscow means you are too late.
    Utter crap, the moment Russian troops broke a ceasefire arms would resume, they couldn't even capture Kyiv last time.

    However Zelensky would have to have accepted a ceasefire on such terms anyway
    Yeah but last time Ukraine had soldiers and weaponry. This time if they follow your advice they won't have soldiers and weaponry.
    Why? They have soldiers and weaponry now which they could put in storage for if and when a ceasefire is broken.

    If Putin and Zelensky agree a ceasefire that
    is for them, you clearly would rather you and
    your house were evaporated by a Russian
    nuke!
    Are you just being argumentative, or do you truly not understand how unbalanced Russia’s proposal is?


    Well if it is that unbalanced Zelensky won't agree those terms anyway
    Which is designed to make the US swing back towards Russia.

    This whole thing is a game between the UK and Russia on who can swing Trump.
    If Zelensky was sensible he would agree a
    ceasefire on current lines but have it written in the agreement by Trump US aid and arms to Ukraine and sanctions on Russia would resume if Russian troops moved an inch beyond current Russian lines and refuse to sign without that in writing
    A) sweet that you trust Trump
    B) So Russia rearms and Ukraine doesn’t. And then Russia invades again. Doesn’t
    seem… fair
    Ukraine can rearm via its own factories
    even under Putin’s terms, just not via imported arms.

    And if Russia invaded then the US would also resume arms to Ukraine under the
    terms I proposed Zelensky signs



    How sweet that you trust Trump

    Suggest you stick to the entrails of Tory party politics and polling data where you have sone clue what you are talking about

    Fine I will stick sweetly on the sidelines and you can push us to nuclear war with Russia
    Were you opposed to Boris going out on a limb to support Ukraine during the initial invasion when Putin was threatening nuclear retaliation against any country that interfered?
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,145
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Putin says he will agree a ceasefire that leads to an 'enduring peace' but with conditions that Ukraine likely won't accept

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cgj5w6veqw6t

    And Trump will pressure Ukraine to accept conditions - like no weapons shipments.

    And Ukraine will reluctantly concede.

    And then Russia will attack again in six months time.
    And then weapons shipments to Ukraine would start again, maybe even from the US if Russia breached the deal
    It'll be a bit late by then.
    Why? A few months for Europe and Canada to invest in arms and defence via a ceasefire and if Russia breaches could then be deployed
    Are we as NATO going to recapture Kyiv after Putin breaks the ceasefire and takes Ukraine.
    No we didn't last time, just provide aid as before.

    If Putin broke an agreed ceasefire US arms to Ukraine would also likely resume based on Trump's statements but a ceasefire has to be agreed first to break
    Then your programme of rearming Ukraine after they have been captured by Moscow means you are too late.
    Utter crap, the moment Russian troops broke a ceasefire arms would resume, they couldn't even capture Kyiv last time.

    However Zelensky would have to have accepted a ceasefire on such terms anyway
    Yeah but last time Ukraine had soldiers and weaponry. This time if they follow your advice they won't have soldiers and weaponry.
    Why? They have soldiers and weaponry now which they could put in storage for if and when a ceasefire is broken.

    If Putin and Zelensky agree a ceasefire that
    is for them, you clearly would rather you and
    your house were evaporated by a Russian
    nuke!
    Are you just being argumentative, or do you truly not understand how unbalanced Russia’s proposal is?


    Well if it is that unbalanced Zelensky won't agree those terms anyway
    Which is designed to make the US swing back towards Russia.

    This whole thing is a game between the UK and Russia on who can swing Trump.
    If Zelensky was sensible he would agree a
    ceasefire on current lines but have it written in the agreement by Trump US aid and arms to Ukraine and sanctions on Russia would resume if Russian troops moved an inch beyond current Russian lines and refuse to sign without that in writing
    A) sweet that you trust Trump
    B) So Russia rearms and Ukraine doesn’t. And then Russia invades again. Doesn’t
    seem… fair
    Ukraine can rearm via its own factories
    even under Putin’s terms, just not via imported arms.

    And if Russia invaded then the US would also resume arms to Ukraine under the
    terms I proposed Zelensky signs



    How sweet that you trust Trump

    Suggest you stick to the entrails of Tory party politics and polling data where you have sone clue what you are talking about

    Fine I will stick sweetly on the sidelines and you can push us to nuclear war with Russia
    It's fucked how not wanting a war with Russia (with a global nuclear conflict as a stretch goal) is dismissed by the warmongers, as a fringe opinion held only the uninformed and traitors.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 9,728
    Dura_Ace said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Putin says he will agree a ceasefire that leads to an 'enduring peace' but with conditions that Ukraine likely won't accept

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cgj5w6veqw6t

    And Trump will pressure Ukraine to accept conditions - like no weapons shipments.

    And Ukraine will reluctantly concede.

    And then Russia will attack again in six months time.
    And then weapons shipments to Ukraine would start again, maybe even from the US if Russia breached the deal
    It'll be a bit late by then.
    Why? A few months for Europe and Canada to invest in arms and defence via a ceasefire and if Russia breaches could then be deployed
    Are we as NATO going to recapture Kyiv after Putin breaks the ceasefire and takes Ukraine.
    No we didn't last time, just provide aid as before.

    If Putin broke an agreed ceasefire US arms to Ukraine would also likely resume based on Trump's statements but a ceasefire has to be agreed first to break
    Then your programme of rearming Ukraine after they have been captured by Moscow means you are too late.
    Utter crap, the moment Russian troops broke a ceasefire arms would resume, they couldn't even capture Kyiv last time.

    However Zelensky would have to have accepted a ceasefire on such terms anyway
    Yeah but last time Ukraine had soldiers and weaponry. This time if they follow your advice they won't have soldiers and weaponry.
    Why? They have soldiers and weaponry now which they could put in storage for if and when a ceasefire is broken.

    If Putin and Zelensky agree a ceasefire that
    is for them, you clearly would rather you and
    your house were evaporated by a Russian
    nuke!
    Are you just being argumentative, or do you truly not understand how unbalanced Russia’s proposal is?


    Well if it is that unbalanced Zelensky won't agree those terms anyway
    Which is designed to make the US swing back towards Russia.

    This whole thing is a game between the UK and Russia on who can swing Trump.
    If Zelensky was sensible he would agree a
    ceasefire on current lines but have it written in the agreement by Trump US aid and arms to Ukraine and sanctions on Russia would resume if Russian troops moved an inch beyond current Russian lines and refuse to sign without that in writing
    A) sweet that you trust Trump
    B) So Russia rearms and Ukraine doesn’t. And then Russia invades again. Doesn’t
    seem… fair
    Ukraine can rearm via its own factories
    even under Putin’s terms, just not via imported arms.

    And if Russia invaded then the US would also resume arms to Ukraine under the
    terms I proposed Zelensky signs



    How sweet that you trust Trump

    Suggest you stick to the entrails of Tory party politics and polling data where you have sone clue what you are talking about

    Fine I will stick sweetly on the sidelines and you can push us to nuclear war with Russia
    It's fucked how not wanting a war with Russia (with a global nuclear conflict as a stretch goal) is dismissed by the warmongers, as a fringe opinion held only the uninformed and traitors.
    I don't think anyone wants a war with Russia on here. It's just difficult to avoid the conclusion that Putin will take whatever he wants unless met by force, as we found with Turkey's shootdown.

    Where would you draw the line? If it's not a nerve agent attack in an English city, it's not going to be Estonia or Lithuania either. Poland? A few telecoms/energy cables?
  • No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 4,857
    Selebian said:

    Cookie said:

    malcolmg said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Being a working class Northerner, how do you lot pronounce Leominster?

    I've pronounced it Lemster my entire life but somebody I heard the other day called it Leo Minster.

    As a child did somebody play a cruel trick on me by telling me it was pronounced Lemster?

    I think it's Lemster?
    Never unless you are mental
    It is pronounced Lemster, I have googled it.
    Things which Malcolm gets entertainingly angry about #342: the pronunciation of 'Leominster'. Top quality stuff.
    A leopard doesn't change its spots.
    And yet leotards come with or without spots. And Pilates doesn't rhyme with pirates (sadly).

    Evening all, been absent for a couple of weeks due to the arrival of mini Selebian number 4. All good, little lad and mum doing well; three adoring elder siblings fighting over cuddles :smile:
    Congratulations!
    And I pronounce "misled" in my head as "mizzled".
  • kamskikamski Posts: 6,155
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    Eabhal said:

    glw said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @LarrySabato

    NEW Quinnipiac Poll--Bad news for Trump.

    Approval down to 42% (53% disapprove).

    Disapproval high on economy (54%), federal workforce (54%), Ukraine-Russia (55%), trade w/Mexico (56%), trade w/Canada (58%).

    62% think supporting Ukraine is in our national interest.

    By 60% to 33%, respondents OPPOSE eliminating the Department of Education.

    By 57% to 35%, respondents think UNVACCINATED children should not be allowed to attend schools or childcare facilities.

    https://x.com/LarrySabato/status/1900253625441526086

    And we should remember a lot of the mad stuff Trump wants to do hasn't had an impact yet, this is merely how people feel based on news stories, not seeing the actual effects.
    Why the hell should unvaccinated children/people be barred from doing anything/going anywhere? There are millions of them around after all..Batshit crazy opinion..but no doubt highly inaccurate polling..💩
    Not an expert, but I believe many parents are highly protective of their children and will do an awful lot to keep them safe. Keeping them away from kids spreading mumps, measles rubella isn't such an extreme idea.
    I think it's already the case that some vaccinations are mandatory for school entry in most US states, though exemptions on various grounds are often possible.

    In many countries some childhood vaccinations are mandatory, or required for school entry.
  • Frank_BoothFrank_Booth Posts: 108
    HYUFD said:

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    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Putin says he will agree a ceasefire that leads to an 'enduring peace' but with conditions that Ukraine likely won't accept

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cgj5w6veqw6t

    And Trump will pressure Ukraine to accept conditions - like no weapons shipments.

    And Ukraine will reluctantly concede.

    And then Russia will attack again in six months time.
    And then weapons shipments to Ukraine would start again, maybe even from the US if Russia breached the deal
    It'll be a bit late by then.
    Why? A few months for Europe and Canada to invest in arms and defence via a ceasefire and if Russia breaches could then be deployed
    Are we as NATO going to recapture Kyiv after Putin breaks the ceasefire and takes Ukraine.
    No we didn't last time, just provide aid as before.

    If Putin broke an agreed ceasefire US arms to Ukraine would also likely resume based on Trump's statements but a ceasefire has to be agreed first to break
    Then your programme of rearming Ukraine after they have been captured by Moscow means you are too late.
    Utter crap, the moment Russian troops broke a ceasefire arms would resume, they couldn't even capture Kyiv last time.

    However Zelensky would have to have accepted a ceasefire on such terms anyway
    Yeah but last time Ukraine had soldiers and weaponry. This time if they follow your advice they won't have soldiers and weaponry.
    Why? They have soldiers and weaponry now which they could put in storage for if and when a ceasefire is broken.

    If Putin and Zelensky agree a ceasefire that
    is for them, you clearly would rather you and
    your house were evaporated by a Russian
    nuke!
    Are you just being argumentative, or do you truly not understand how unbalanced Russia’s proposal is?


    Well if it is that unbalanced Zelensky won't agree those terms anyway
    Which is designed to make the US swing back towards Russia.

    This whole thing is a game between the UK and Russia on who can swing Trump.
    If Zelensky was sensible he would agree a
    ceasefire on current lines but have it written in the agreement by Trump US aid and arms to Ukraine and sanctions on Russia would resume if Russian troops moved an inch beyond current Russian lines and refuse to sign without that in writing
    A) sweet that you trust Trump
    B) So Russia rearms and Ukraine doesn’t. And then Russia invades again. Doesn’t
    seem… fair
    Ukraine can rearm via its own factories
    even under Putin’s terms, just not via imported arms.

    And if Russia invaded then the US would also resume arms to Ukraine under the
    terms I proposed Zelensky signs



    How sweet that you trust Trump

    Suggest you stick to the entrails of Tory party politics and polling data where you have sone clue what you are talking about

    Fine I will stick sweetly on the sidelines and you can push us to nuclear war with Russia
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Putin says he will agree a ceasefire that leads to an 'enduring peace' but with conditions that Ukraine likely won't accept

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cgj5w6veqw6t

    And Trump will pressure Ukraine to accept conditions - like no weapons shipments.

    And Ukraine will reluctantly concede.

    And then Russia will attack again in six months time.
    And then weapons shipments to Ukraine would start again, maybe even from the US if Russia breached the deal
    It'll be a bit late by then.
    Why? A few months for Europe and Canada to invest in arms and defence via a ceasefire and if Russia breaches could then be deployed
    Are we as NATO going to recapture Kyiv after Putin breaks the ceasefire and takes Ukraine.
    No we didn't last time, just provide aid as before.

    If Putin broke an agreed ceasefire US arms to Ukraine would also likely resume based on Trump's statements but a ceasefire has to be agreed first to break
    Then your programme of rearming Ukraine after they have been captured by Moscow means you are too late.
    Utter crap, the moment Russian troops broke a ceasefire arms would resume, they couldn't even capture Kyiv last time.

    However Zelensky would have to have accepted a ceasefire on such terms anyway
    Yeah but last time Ukraine had soldiers and weaponry. This time if they follow your advice they won't have soldiers and weaponry.
    Why? They have soldiers and weaponry now which they could put in storage for if and when a ceasefire is broken.

    If Putin and Zelensky agree a ceasefire that
    is for them, you clearly would rather you and
    your house were evaporated by a Russian
    nuke!
    Are you just being argumentative, or do you truly not understand how unbalanced Russia’s proposal is?


    Well if it is that unbalanced Zelensky won't agree those terms anyway
    Which is designed to make the US swing back towards Russia.

    This whole thing is a game between the UK and Russia on who can swing Trump.
    If Zelensky was sensible he would agree a
    ceasefire on current lines but have it written in the agreement by Trump US aid and arms to Ukraine and sanctions on Russia would resume if Russian troops moved an inch beyond current Russian lines and refuse to sign without that in writing
    A) sweet that you trust Trump
    B) So Russia rearms and Ukraine doesn’t. And then Russia invades again. Doesn’t
    seem… fair
    Ukraine can rearm via its own factories
    even under Putin’s terms, just not via imported arms.

    And if Russia invaded then the US would also resume arms to Ukraine under the
    terms I proposed Zelensky signs



    How sweet that you trust Trump

    Suggest you stick to the entrails of Tory party politics and polling data where you have sone clue what you are talking about

    Fine I will stick sweetly on the sidelines and you can push us to nuclear war with Russia
    Your analysis on the likelihood of nuclear war just seems like a justification for supporting Trump's position on Ukraine. Whatever the reason for Trump's negotiating position, fear of nuclear war doesn't seem to be a pressing concern for him.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,124
    Dura_Ace said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Putin says he will agree a ceasefire that leads to an 'enduring peace' but with conditions that Ukraine likely won't accept

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cgj5w6veqw6t

    And Trump will pressure Ukraine to accept conditions - like no weapons shipments.

    And Ukraine will reluctantly concede.

    And then Russia will attack again in six months time.
    And then weapons shipments to Ukraine would start again, maybe even from the US if Russia breached the deal
    It'll be a bit late by then.
    Why? A few months for Europe and Canada to invest in arms and defence via a ceasefire and if Russia breaches could then be deployed
    Are we as NATO going to recapture Kyiv after Putin breaks the ceasefire and takes Ukraine.
    No we didn't last time, just provide aid as before.

    If Putin broke an agreed ceasefire US arms to Ukraine would also likely resume based on Trump's statements but a ceasefire has to be agreed first to break
    Then your programme of rearming Ukraine after they have been captured by Moscow means you are too late.
    Utter crap, the moment Russian troops broke a ceasefire arms would resume, they couldn't even capture Kyiv last time.

    However Zelensky would have to have accepted a ceasefire on such terms anyway
    Yeah but last time Ukraine had soldiers and weaponry. This time if they follow your advice they won't have soldiers and weaponry.
    Why? They have soldiers and weaponry now which they could put in storage for if and when a ceasefire is broken.

    If Putin and Zelensky agree a ceasefire that
    is for them, you clearly would rather you and
    your house were evaporated by a Russian
    nuke!
    Are you just being argumentative, or do you truly not understand how unbalanced Russia’s proposal is?


    Well if it is that unbalanced Zelensky won't agree those terms anyway
    Which is designed to make the US swing back towards Russia.

    This whole thing is a game between the UK and Russia on who can swing Trump.
    If Zelensky was sensible he would agree a
    ceasefire on current lines but have it written in the agreement by Trump US aid and arms to Ukraine and sanctions on Russia would resume if Russian troops moved an inch beyond current Russian lines and refuse to sign without that in writing
    A) sweet that you trust Trump
    B) So Russia rearms and Ukraine doesn’t. And then Russia invades again. Doesn’t
    seem… fair
    Ukraine can rearm via its own factories
    even under Putin’s terms, just not via imported arms.

    And if Russia invaded then the US would also resume arms to Ukraine under the
    terms I proposed Zelensky signs



    How sweet that you trust Trump

    Suggest you stick to the entrails of Tory party politics and polling data where you have sone clue what you are talking about

    Fine I will stick sweetly on the sidelines and you can push us to nuclear war with Russia
    It's fucked how not wanting a war with Russia (with a global nuclear conflict as a stretch goal) is dismissed by the warmongers, as a fringe opinion held only the uninformed and traitors.
    True patriots want to threaten Trump with nukes if he doesn't leave Canada alone.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 848
    kamski said:

    .

    Eabhal said:

    glw said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @LarrySabato

    NEW Quinnipiac Poll--Bad news for Trump.

    Approval down to 42% (53% disapprove).

    Disapproval high on economy (54%), federal workforce (54%), Ukraine-Russia (55%), trade w/Mexico (56%), trade w/Canada (58%).

    62% think supporting Ukraine is in our national interest.

    By 60% to 33%, respondents OPPOSE eliminating the Department of Education.

    By 57% to 35%, respondents think UNVACCINATED children should not be allowed to attend schools or childcare facilities.

    https://x.com/LarrySabato/status/1900253625441526086

    And we should remember a lot of the mad stuff Trump wants to do hasn't had an impact yet, this is merely how people feel based on news stories, not seeing the actual effects.
    Why the hell should unvaccinated children/people be barred from doing anything/going anywhere? There are millions of them around after all..Batshit crazy opinion..but no doubt highly inaccurate polling..💩
    Not an expert, but I believe many parents are highly protective of their children and will do an awful lot to keep them safe. Keeping them away from kids spreading mumps, measles rubella isn't such an extreme idea.
    I think it's already the case that some vaccinations are mandatory for school entry in most US states, though exemptions on various grounds are often possible.

    In many countries some childhood vaccinations are mandatory, or required for school entry.
    Vaccines work by creating herd immunity, if a significant part of your herd isn't immune then those who were vaccinated but developed low immunity can become ill.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,515

    Dura_Ace said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Putin says he will agree a ceasefire that leads to an 'enduring peace' but with conditions that Ukraine likely won't accept

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cgj5w6veqw6t

    And Trump will pressure Ukraine to accept conditions - like no weapons shipments.

    And Ukraine will reluctantly concede.

    And then Russia will attack again in six months time.
    And then weapons shipments to Ukraine would start again, maybe even from the US if Russia breached the deal
    It'll be a bit late by then.
    Why? A few months for Europe and Canada to invest in arms and defence via a ceasefire and if Russia breaches could then be deployed
    Are we as NATO going to recapture Kyiv after Putin breaks the ceasefire and takes Ukraine.
    No we didn't last time, just provide aid as before.

    If Putin broke an agreed ceasefire US arms to Ukraine would also likely resume based on Trump's statements but a ceasefire has to be agreed first to break
    Then your programme of rearming Ukraine after they have been captured by Moscow means you are too late.
    Utter crap, the moment Russian troops broke a ceasefire arms would resume, they couldn't even capture Kyiv last time.

    However Zelensky would have to have accepted a ceasefire on such terms anyway
    Yeah but last time Ukraine had soldiers and weaponry. This time if they follow your advice they won't have soldiers and weaponry.
    Why? They have soldiers and weaponry now which they could put in storage for if and when a ceasefire is broken.

    If Putin and Zelensky agree a ceasefire that
    is for them, you clearly would rather you and
    your house were evaporated by a Russian
    nuke!
    Are you just being argumentative, or do you truly not understand how unbalanced Russia’s proposal is?


    Well if it is that unbalanced Zelensky won't agree those terms anyway
    Which is designed to make the US swing back towards Russia.

    This whole thing is a game between the UK and Russia on who can swing Trump.
    If Zelensky was sensible he would agree a
    ceasefire on current lines but have it written in the agreement by Trump US aid and arms to Ukraine and sanctions on Russia would resume if Russian troops moved an inch beyond current Russian lines and refuse to sign without that in writing
    A) sweet that you trust Trump
    B) So Russia rearms and Ukraine doesn’t. And then Russia invades again. Doesn’t
    seem… fair
    Ukraine can rearm via its own factories
    even under Putin’s terms, just not via imported arms.

    And if Russia invaded then the US would also resume arms to Ukraine under the
    terms I proposed Zelensky signs



    How sweet that you trust Trump

    Suggest you stick to the entrails of Tory party politics and polling data where you have sone clue what you are talking about

    Fine I will stick sweetly on the sidelines and you can push us to nuclear war with Russia
    It's fucked how not wanting a war with Russia (with a global nuclear conflict as a stretch goal) is dismissed by the warmongers, as a fringe opinion held only the uninformed and traitors.
    True patriots want to threaten Trump with nukes if he doesn't leave Canada alone.
    What are you on about? You make up ridiculous shit assertions that no one else had enen considered.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 4,820
    Putin is in to self-preservation. He’s not into starting WW3 and causing an extinction level event .

    This talk of WW3 is designed to push people to accept what they perceive as the less threatening option of allowing Putin to succeed in Ukraine .

    IMO that’s a short sighted view and will just lead to a green light for other bad actors to embark on invading their neighbours . More people displaced and more problems in neighbouring countries trying to deal with the fall out .

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,217

    HYUFD said:

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    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Putin says he will agree a ceasefire that leads to an 'enduring peace' but with conditions that Ukraine likely won't accept

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cgj5w6veqw6t

    And Trump will pressure Ukraine to accept conditions - like no weapons shipments.

    And Ukraine will reluctantly concede.

    And then Russia will attack again in six months time.
    And then weapons shipments to Ukraine would start again, maybe even from the US if Russia breached the deal
    It'll be a bit late by then.
    Why? A few months for Europe and Canada to invest in arms and defence via a ceasefire and if Russia breaches could then be deployed
    Are we as NATO going to recapture Kyiv after Putin breaks the ceasefire and takes Ukraine.
    No we didn't last time, just provide aid as before.

    If Putin broke an agreed ceasefire US arms to Ukraine would also likely resume based on Trump's statements but a ceasefire has to be agreed first to break
    Then your programme of rearming Ukraine after they have been captured by Moscow means you are too late.
    Utter crap, the moment Russian troops broke a ceasefire arms would resume, they couldn't even capture Kyiv last time.

    However Zelensky would have to have accepted a ceasefire on such terms anyway
    Yeah but last time Ukraine had soldiers and weaponry. This time if they follow your advice they won't have soldiers and weaponry.
    Why? They have soldiers and weaponry now which they could put in storage for if and when a ceasefire is broken.

    If Putin and Zelensky agree a ceasefire that
    is for them, you clearly would rather you and
    your house were evaporated by a Russian
    nuke!
    Are you just being argumentative, or do you truly not understand how unbalanced Russia’s proposal is?


    Well if it is that unbalanced Zelensky won't agree those terms anyway
    Which is designed to make the US swing back towards Russia.

    This whole thing is a game between the UK and Russia on who can swing Trump.
    If Zelensky was sensible he would agree a
    ceasefire on current lines but have it written in the agreement by Trump US aid and arms to Ukraine and sanctions on Russia would resume if Russian troops moved an inch beyond current Russian lines and refuse to sign without that in writing
    A) sweet that you trust Trump
    B) So Russia rearms and Ukraine doesn’t. And then Russia invades again. Doesn’t
    seem… fair
    Ukraine can rearm via its own factories
    even under Putin’s terms, just not via imported arms.

    And if Russia invaded then the US would also resume arms to Ukraine under the
    terms I proposed Zelensky signs



    How sweet that you trust Trump

    Suggest you stick to the entrails of Tory party politics and polling data where you have sone clue what you are talking about

    Fine I will stick sweetly on the sidelines and you can push us to nuclear war with Russia
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Putin says he will agree a ceasefire that leads to an 'enduring peace' but with conditions that Ukraine likely won't accept

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cgj5w6veqw6t

    And Trump will pressure Ukraine to accept conditions - like no weapons shipments.

    And Ukraine will reluctantly concede.

    And then Russia will attack again in six months time.
    And then weapons shipments to Ukraine would start again, maybe even from the US if Russia breached the deal
    It'll be a bit late by then.
    Why? A few months for Europe and Canada to invest in arms and defence via a ceasefire and if Russia breaches could then be deployed
    Are we as NATO going to recapture Kyiv after Putin breaks the ceasefire and takes Ukraine.
    No we didn't last time, just provide aid as before.

    If Putin broke an agreed ceasefire US arms to Ukraine would also likely resume based on Trump's statements but a ceasefire has to be agreed first to break
    Then your programme of rearming Ukraine after they have been captured by Moscow means you are too late.
    Utter crap, the moment Russian troops broke a ceasefire arms would resume, they couldn't even capture Kyiv last time.

    However Zelensky would have to have accepted a ceasefire on such terms anyway
    Yeah but last time Ukraine had soldiers and weaponry. This time if they follow your advice they won't have soldiers and weaponry.
    Why? They have soldiers and weaponry now which they could put in storage for if and when a ceasefire is broken.

    If Putin and Zelensky agree a ceasefire that
    is for them, you clearly would rather you and
    your house were evaporated by a Russian
    nuke!
    Are you just being argumentative, or do you truly not understand how unbalanced Russia’s proposal is?


    Well if it is that unbalanced Zelensky won't agree those terms anyway
    Which is designed to make the US swing back towards Russia.

    This whole thing is a game between the UK and Russia on who can swing Trump.
    If Zelensky was sensible he would agree a
    ceasefire on current lines but have it written in the agreement by Trump US aid and arms to Ukraine and sanctions on Russia would resume if Russian troops moved an inch beyond current Russian lines and refuse to sign without that in writing
    A) sweet that you trust Trump
    B) So Russia rearms and Ukraine doesn’t. And then Russia invades again. Doesn’t
    seem… fair
    Ukraine can rearm via its own factories
    even under Putin’s terms, just not via imported arms.

    And if Russia invaded then the US would also resume arms to Ukraine under the
    terms I proposed Zelensky signs



    How sweet that you trust Trump

    Suggest you stick to the entrails of Tory party politics and polling data where you have sone clue what you are talking about

    Fine I will stick sweetly on the sidelines and you can push us to nuclear war with Russia
    Your analysis on the likelihood of nuclear war just seems like a justification for supporting Trump's position on Ukraine. Whatever the reason for Trump's negotiating position, fear of nuclear war doesn't seem to be a pressing concern for him.
    He told Zelensky he risked pushing to WW3 if he did not try and agree a peace deal with Russia
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,217

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    Putin says he will agree a ceasefire that leads to an 'enduring peace' but with conditions that Ukraine likely won't accept

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cgj5w6veqw6t

    And Trump will pressure Ukraine to accept conditions - like no weapons shipments.

    And Ukraine will reluctantly concede.

    And then Russia will attack again in six months time.
    And then weapons shipments to Ukraine would start again, maybe even from the US if Russia breached the deal
    It'll be a bit late by then.
    Why? A few months for Europe and Canada to invest in arms and defence via a ceasefire and if Russia breaches could then be deployed
    Are we as NATO going to recapture Kyiv after Putin breaks the ceasefire and takes Ukraine.
    No we didn't last time, just provide aid as before.

    If Putin broke an agreed ceasefire US arms to Ukraine would also likely resume based on Trump's statements but a ceasefire has to be agreed first to break
    Then your programme of rearming Ukraine after they have been captured by Moscow means you are too late.
    Utter crap, the moment Russian troops broke a ceasefire arms would resume, they couldn't even capture Kyiv last time.

    However Zelensky would have to have accepted a ceasefire on such terms anyway
    Yeah but last time Ukraine had soldiers and weaponry. This time if they follow your advice they won't have soldiers and weaponry.
    Why? They have soldiers and weaponry now which they could put in storage for if and when a ceasefire is broken.

    If Putin and Zelensky agree a ceasefire that
    is for them, you clearly would rather you and
    your house were evaporated by a Russian
    nuke!
    Are you just being argumentative, or do you truly not understand how unbalanced Russia’s proposal is?


    Well if it is that unbalanced Zelensky won't agree those terms anyway
    Which is designed to make the US swing back towards Russia.

    This whole thing is a game between the UK and Russia on who can swing Trump.
    If Zelensky was sensible he would agree a
    ceasefire on current lines but have it written in the agreement by Trump US aid and arms to Ukraine and sanctions on Russia would resume if Russian troops moved an inch beyond current Russian lines and refuse to sign without that in writing
    A) sweet that you trust Trump
    B) So Russia rearms and Ukraine doesn’t. And then Russia invades again. Doesn’t
    seem… fair
    Ukraine can rearm via its own factories
    even under Putin’s terms, just not via imported arms.

    And if Russia invaded then the US would also resume arms to Ukraine under the
    terms I proposed Zelensky signs



    How sweet that you trust Trump

    Suggest you stick to the entrails of Tory party politics and polling data where you have sone clue what you are talking about

    Fine I will stick sweetly on the sidelines and you can push us to nuclear war with Russia
    Were you opposed to Boris going out on a limb to support Ukraine during the initial invasion when Putin was threatening nuclear retaliation against any country that interfered?
    Boris gave Ukraine enough arms to save Kyiv, he didn't send British troops to fight the Russians directly
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,124

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    Putin says he will agree a ceasefire that leads to an 'enduring peace' but with conditions that Ukraine likely won't accept

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cgj5w6veqw6t

    And Trump will pressure Ukraine to accept conditions - like no weapons shipments.

    And Ukraine will reluctantly concede.

    And then Russia will attack again in six months time.
    And then weapons shipments to Ukraine would start again, maybe even from the US if Russia breached the deal
    It'll be a bit late by then.
    Why? A few months for Europe and Canada to invest in arms and defence via a ceasefire and if Russia breaches could then be deployed
    Are we as NATO going to recapture Kyiv after Putin breaks the ceasefire and takes Ukraine.
    No we didn't last time, just provide aid as before.

    If Putin broke an agreed ceasefire US arms to Ukraine would also likely resume based on Trump's statements but a ceasefire has to be agreed first to break
    Then your programme of rearming Ukraine after they have been captured by Moscow means you are too late.
    Utter crap, the moment Russian troops broke a ceasefire arms would resume, they couldn't even capture Kyiv last time.

    However Zelensky would have to have accepted a ceasefire on such terms anyway
    Yeah but last time Ukraine had soldiers and weaponry. This time if they follow your advice they won't have soldiers and weaponry.
    Why? They have soldiers and weaponry now which they could put in storage for if and when a ceasefire is broken.

    If Putin and Zelensky agree a ceasefire that
    is for them, you clearly would rather you and
    your house were evaporated by a Russian
    nuke!
    Are you just being argumentative, or do you truly not understand how unbalanced Russia’s proposal is?


    Well if it is that unbalanced Zelensky won't agree those terms anyway
    Which is designed to make the US swing back towards Russia.

    This whole thing is a game between the UK and Russia on who can swing Trump.
    If Zelensky was sensible he would agree a
    ceasefire on current lines but have it written in the agreement by Trump US aid and arms to Ukraine and sanctions on Russia would resume if Russian troops moved an inch beyond current Russian lines and refuse to sign without that in writing
    A) sweet that you trust Trump
    B) So Russia rearms and Ukraine doesn’t. And then Russia invades again. Doesn’t
    seem… fair
    Ukraine can rearm via its own factories
    even under Putin’s terms, just not via imported arms.

    And if Russia invaded then the US would also resume arms to Ukraine under the
    terms I proposed Zelensky signs



    How sweet that you trust Trump

    Suggest you stick to the entrails of Tory party politics and polling data where you have sone clue what you are talking about

    Fine I will stick sweetly on the sidelines and you can push us to nuclear war with Russia
    It's fucked how not wanting a war with Russia (with a global nuclear conflict as a stretch goal) is dismissed by the warmongers, as a fringe opinion held only the uninformed and traitors.
    True patriots want to threaten Trump with nukes if he doesn't leave Canada alone.
    What are you on about? You make up ridiculous shit assertions that no one else had enen considered.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/politics/2025/03/03/british-nuclear-weapons-canada-trump-chrystia-freeland/

    British nuclear weapons can protect Canada against Trump, says Trudeau party candidate
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    Dura_Ace said:

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    Putin says he will agree a ceasefire that leads to an 'enduring peace' but with conditions that Ukraine likely won't accept

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cgj5w6veqw6t

    And Trump will pressure Ukraine to accept conditions - like no weapons shipments.

    And Ukraine will reluctantly concede.

    And then Russia will attack again in six months time.
    And then weapons shipments to Ukraine would start again, maybe even from the US if Russia breached the deal
    It'll be a bit late by then.
    Why? A few months for Europe and Canada to invest in arms and defence via a ceasefire and if Russia breaches could then be deployed
    Are we as NATO going to recapture Kyiv after Putin breaks the ceasefire and takes Ukraine.
    No we didn't last time, just provide aid as before.

    If Putin broke an agreed ceasefire US arms to Ukraine would also likely resume based on Trump's statements but a ceasefire has to be agreed first to break
    Then your programme of rearming Ukraine after they have been captured by Moscow means you are too late.
    Utter crap, the moment Russian troops broke a ceasefire arms would resume, they couldn't even capture Kyiv last time.

    However Zelensky would have to have accepted a ceasefire on such terms anyway
    Yeah but last time Ukraine had soldiers and weaponry. This time if they follow your advice they won't have soldiers and weaponry.
    Why? They have soldiers and weaponry now which they could put in storage for if and when a ceasefire is broken.

    If Putin and Zelensky agree a ceasefire that
    is for them, you clearly would rather you and
    your house were evaporated by a Russian
    nuke!
    Are you just being argumentative, or do you truly not understand how unbalanced Russia’s proposal is?


    Well if it is that unbalanced Zelensky won't agree those terms anyway
    Which is designed to make the US swing back towards Russia.

    This whole thing is a game between the UK and Russia on who can swing Trump.
    If Zelensky was sensible he would agree a
    ceasefire on current lines but have it written in the agreement by Trump US aid and arms to Ukraine and sanctions on Russia would resume if Russian troops moved an inch beyond current Russian lines and refuse to sign without that in writing
    A) sweet that you trust Trump
    B) So Russia rearms and Ukraine doesn’t. And then Russia invades again. Doesn’t
    seem… fair
    Ukraine can rearm via its own factories
    even under Putin’s terms, just not via imported arms.

    And if Russia invaded then the US would also resume arms to Ukraine under the
    terms I proposed Zelensky signs



    How sweet that you trust Trump

    Suggest you stick to the entrails of Tory party politics and polling data where you have sone clue what you are talking about

    Fine I will stick sweetly on the sidelines and you can push us to nuclear war with Russia
    It's fucked how not wanting a war with Russia (with a global nuclear conflict as a stretch goal) is dismissed by the warmongers, as a fringe opinion held only the uninformed and traitors.
    True patriots want to threaten Trump with nukes if he doesn't leave Canada alone.
    What are you on about? You make up ridiculous shit assertions that no one else had enen considered.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/politics/2025/03/03/british-nuclear-weapons-canada-trump-chrystia-freeland/

    British nuclear weapons can protect Canada against Trump, says Trudeau party candidate
    I can only apologise for doubting the credence of the mad shit you post.

    Think for a moment, if Trump hadn't threatened Canada with annexation by force, perhaps people wouldn't overreact In blind panic
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