It would make us a "rule taker" once more, and I very much doubt would deliver anything like the benefits mooted, but it would hobble us.
Which means there's probably a real risk that negotiator extraordinaire Starmer does it.
Don’t worry, Starmer is far too lacking in moral fibre (ie courage) to do anything like that. I’m mildly surprised about how cowardly Starmer & co have been. The pre GE suggestion was that Labour were only pretending to be Tory lite to placate the red tops and would pivot progressive when they had their majority. Turns out they were exactly who they said they were.
With added complications courtesy of Slab up here. I'm now totally confused what I'd be voting for if I voted for Slab - certainly for Holyrood and even for Westminster (which is the extra surprise amuse-bouche - it really shouldn't be for a Unionist party trying to out-Unionist th e others at present).
The line being pushed by Labour friendly media in Scotland, ie most of it, is that fresh faced, idealistic Sarwar (lol) is being constrained by reactionary Starmer & co. In truth Sarwar is more charmlessly centrist than Starmer, and the unspoken assumption that the good ship SLab would rise on a UK tide of progressive positivity has been mercilessly battered.
Instead it is Reform rising in Scotland just as the rest of the UK outside London
Half of Generation Z think that Britain is a racist country and only a tenth would risk their lives to defend it in a war, landmark research for The Times has shown:
A drastic drop in pride and support for Britain amongst that age group since 2004 after Labour and even Conservative and LD governments allowed it to happen.
People then wonder why Reform are growing in polls
It would make us a "rule taker" once more, and I very much doubt would deliver anything like the benefits mooted, but it would hobble us.
Which means there's probably a real risk that negotiator extraordinaire Starmer does it.
Don’t worry, Starmer is far too lacking in moral fibre (ie courage) to do anything like that. I’m mildly surprised about how cowardly Starmer & co have been. The pre GE suggestion was that Labour were only pretending to be Tory lite to placate the red tops and would pivot progressive when they had their majority. Turns out they were exactly who they said they were.
With added complications courtesy of Slab up here. I'm now totally confused what I'd be voting for if I voted for Slab - certainly for Holyrood and even for Westminster (which is the extra surprise amuse-bouche - it really shouldn't be for a Unionist party trying to out-Unionist th e others at present).
The line being pushed by Labour friendly media in Scotland, ie most of it, is that fresh faced, idealistic Sarwar (lol) is being constrained by reactionary Starmer & co. In truth Sarwar is more charmlessly centrist than Starmer, and the unspoken assumption that the good ship SLab would rise on a UK tide of progressive positivity has been mercilessly battered.
Instead it is Reform rising in Scotland just as the rest of the UK outside London
Half of Generation Z think that Britain is a racist country and only a tenth would risk their lives to defend it in a war, landmark research for The Times has shown:
A drastic drop in pride and support for Britain amongst that age group since 2004 after Labour and even Conservative and LD governments allowed it to happen.
People then wonder why Reform are growing in polls
You may have cause and effect the wrong way round there!
This is what happens when you allow leftist ideology to capture educational institutions, brainwash a generation and teach them their country is evil.
What are you on about?
When all my former school friends were busy signing up to join the Royal Navy and the RAF on the announcement of the invasion of the Falklands, I thought bollocks to that. It wasn't out of disdain for the country it was out of self preservation.
Half of Generation Z think that Britain is a racist country and only a tenth would risk their lives to defend it in a war, landmark research for The Times has shown:
Half of Generation Z think that Britain is a racist country and only a tenth would risk their lives to defend it in a war, landmark research for The Times has shown:
It would make us a "rule taker" once more, and I very much doubt would deliver anything like the benefits mooted, but it would hobble us.
Which means there's probably a real risk that negotiator extraordinaire Starmer does it.
Don’t worry, Starmer is far too lacking in moral fibre (ie courage) to do anything like that. I’m mildly surprised about how cowardly Starmer & co have been. The pre GE suggestion was that Labour were only pretending to be Tory lite to placate the red tops and would pivot progressive when they had their majority. Turns out they were exactly who they said they were.
With added complications courtesy of Slab up here. I'm now totally confused what I'd be voting for if I voted for Slab - certainly for Holyrood and even for Westminster (which is the extra surprise amuse-bouche - it really shouldn't be for a Unionist party trying to out-Unionist th e others at present).
The line being pushed by Labour friendly media in Scotland, ie most of it, is that fresh faced, idealistic Sarwar (lol) is being constrained by reactionary Starmer & co. In truth Sarwar is more charmlessly centrist than Starmer, and the unspoken assumption that the good ship SLab would rise on a UK tide of progressive positivity has been mercilessly battered.
Instead it is Reform rising in Scotland just as the rest of the UK outside London
Half of Generation Z think that Britain is a racist country and only a tenth would risk their lives to defend it in a war, landmark research for The Times has shown:
Tons of people, including for some reason many politicians, go by something other than their first name. Saying its for his character is such a lame way of making that quite normal thing look phony.
It is phony
His family don't call him Boris. They use his first name.
He only uses it "professionally", when running for office.
It's a character.
Of course its phony. It isn't his given name, as you rightly point out. But who cares? Boris is in the past - what does it matter?
Can you accept that Rejoin is not a silver bullet solution to all our problems? If things were objectively better before Brexit then we would not have had Brexit. Our decline - the thing we need to arrest - started long long before Brexit, and won't be fixed by magically reversing course.
The point is originally mine and it is FPT
It's a conversation I overheard a couple of hours ago, here's what I posted:
Sitting in a posh-ish Bangkok restaurant having lunch. Overheard two older businessmen discussing global politics - one Israeli (judging by the accent) - one Singaporean Chinese (I think)
They did a quick resume of the world:
America - still powerful, Trump is mad
China - scary
France - perhaps the most beautiful country, really poor politicians
Russia - scary
Britain - “it just gets worse and worse every year, Boris was bad enough, this new guy is terrible. Brits aren’t the brightest”
Oh dear. However they did then spend 10 minutes discussing British cultural references - from the royals to Piers Morgan - so at least we’re still talked about
[from this I took several lessons, one of which is: Boris might be unique in being a leading politician known worldwide by his first name]
I'm curious as to what an Israeli English accent is.
Wouldn't most globetrotting Israelis have an English accent influenced by whatever country they studied / worked / lived in when younger ?
Or did this bloke just sound like Benny Net ?
You've honestly never heard an Israeli accent??
Think indeed about Bibi Netanyahu speaking English. That is an Israeli accent. It is one of the most distinctive accents in the "Anglophone" world
In real life I don't think I've ever met an Israeli.
So that leaves a few Israeli politicians who are on the television.
Now Netanyahu lived in the USA when he was young and then returned to go to university there in his twenties and then worked there for a few more years.
That will have influenced his accent.
If he had lived instead in England, Australia or even a different part of the USA his accent would likely be different.
Well I've met Israelis all over the world, young and old, and they nearly all have a strong accent (unless they've spent most of their lives outside Israel)
And Netanyahu is a pretty classic example
If you watch TV and listen to Israeli vox pops that's what Israelis sound like. It is not particularly pretty, a little harsh, but maybe no worse than thick Strine or Saffer
Wikipedia says only 2% of Israelis are native English speakers, while 53% are native Hebrew speakers.
Yes, on my visits to Israel I've often been surprised at how BADLY some speak English. Because we only hear English-speakers from Israel (albeit accented) on TV we presume it is almost the main language there. It really is not. Hebrew absolutely dominates, despite it being a language re-invented from whole cloth in the 20th century, to go with the new country
A lesson to independent Ireland there, you too could have done it, with Gaelic. But you didn't
If 99% of Israel's population had been English speakers it might have been a bit harder.
Throw me a bone here, guys. Can somebody fill in the missing data, please?
Population who consider English as their "main language" or "spoken at home" language (%):
USA = 78% (2020 Census) Canadia = 68% (2021 Census, excluding Quebec = 80%) Aus = 72% (2021 Census) NZ = 95% (2018 Census) Singapore = 48% (2020 Census) England = 91% (2021 Census) Scotland = 94% (2022 Census) NI = 95% (2021 Census) Wales = ?? (2021 Census) RoI = ?? (2022 Census)
One thing of interest is the difference between Eng and Scot - England has generally seen far more immigration of non-English speakers than Scotland. I think this is one of the reasons for race relations sometimes being more challenging in England. I also wonder why there is this disparity? Why don't immigrants want to settle Scotland. Put simply, its the weather.*
*I'm mostly joking but I do know one academic who tried to move to Glasgow but had to come back South as his wife hated the weather in Glasgow so much.
That's a west-east thing, Edinburgh gets about 2/3 the rainfall of Glasgow, and much the same as Oxford. Parts of the east coast get still less rainfall. And even parts of Ayrshire and Tiree for instance are pretty dry.
I suspect it's the winter darkness - people coming for the academic year get stunned by it and won't wait till the summer for the long days.
My wife is from Fife and went to University at Aberdeen. She hates the weather in Scotland. She is not that keen with Surrey weather when it drizzles or chucks it down or is dark. I don't mind and prefer it not too hot and prefer greenery to barren landscapes. She prefers a seaview I prefer the countryside. We aren't well matched. Neither are we on food. I'm a foodie, she isn't. I like tart and sour tasting stuff, she likes sweet stuff. Match made in heaven.
Oh and as far as getting wet is concerned I don't give two hoots if it is raining and I get soaked. I always found it amusing that my mum would worry if I went out with wet hair and catch a cold, but didn't seem concerned that I often returned home sopping form head to foot having capsized my canoe or dingy. Not the same somehow!
The Fife coast is the sunniest place in Scotland! Despite this, and hailing from Fife myself, I also hate the Scottish weather, or more specifically the unrelenting dark winter months. Like your wife, though, I am drawn to the sea. I think if you grow up close to the coast you never want to be too far from it. And if there's one thing the UK really has in spades it's beautiful coastline.
My wife is a 'Lossie quine' whose father was a very successful fisherman and comes from generations of fisher folk
We live within 400 yards of the Irish Sea looking out onto a large windfarm and all our family love and respect the sea, and are so proud one of our sons is a qualified helm of the RNLI Llandudno ILB following in the family sea going footsteps
Half of Generation Z think that Britain is a racist country and only a tenth would risk their lives to defend it in a war, landmark research for The Times has shown:
Half of Generation Z think that Britain is a racist country and only a tenth would risk their lives to defend it in a war, landmark research for The Times has shown:
I wouldnt pay too much attention to this kind of polling. Were Britain actually attacked by some foreign power, I think the national mood would change entirely. Look at Ukraine where previously a lot of people were sympathetic to Russia, but the horrors of war have changed everything. Not everyone would be keen to fight/risk their lives, but it would be far more than 10% who would defend their families, homes etc.
Half of Generation Z think that Britain is a racist country and only a tenth would risk their lives to defend it in a war, landmark research for The Times has shown:
I thought GenZ were more right wing? I lose track.
I always get confused by what generation is what and their ages. What is wrong with date ranges. I guess I can look it up each time, but that is a bit of a pain.
Half of Generation Z think that Britain is a racist country and only a tenth would risk their lives to defend it in a war, landmark research for The Times has shown:
Half of Generation Z think that Britain is a racist country and only a tenth would risk their lives to defend it in a war, landmark research for The Times has shown:
I thought GenZ were more right wing? I lose track.
I always get confused by what generation is what and their ages. What is wrong with date ranges. I guess I can look it up each time, but that is a bit of a pain.
The Times defines Gen Z as 1997 to 2012: Blair's children, near enough.
It would make us a "rule taker" once more, and I very much doubt would deliver anything like the benefits mooted, but it would hobble us.
Which means there's probably a real risk that negotiator extraordinaire Starmer does it.
Don’t worry, Starmer is far too lacking in moral fibre (ie courage) to do anything like that. I’m mildly surprised about how cowardly Starmer & co have been. The pre GE suggestion was that Labour were only pretending to be Tory lite to placate the red tops and would pivot progressive when they had their majority. Turns out they were exactly who they said they were.
With added complications courtesy of Slab up here. I'm now totally confused what I'd be voting for if I voted for Slab - certainly for Holyrood and even for Westminster (which is the extra surprise amuse-bouche - it really shouldn't be for a Unionist party trying to out-Unionist th e others at present).
The line being pushed by Labour friendly media in Scotland, ie most of it, is that fresh faced, idealistic Sarwar (lol) is being constrained by reactionary Starmer & co. In truth Sarwar is more charmlessly centrist than Starmer, and the unspoken assumption that the good ship SLab would rise on a UK tide of progressive positivity has been mercilessly battered.
Instead it is Reform rising in Scotland just as the rest of the UK outside London
Half of Generation Z think that Britain is a racist country and only a tenth would risk their lives to defend it in a war, landmark research for The Times has shown:
For far too long the United States has minted pennies which literally cost us more than 2 cents. This is so wasteful! I have instructed my Secretary of the US Treasury to stop producing new pennies. Let's rip the waste out of our great nations budget, even if it's a penny at a time.
Half of Generation Z think that Britain is a racist country and only a tenth would risk their lives to defend it in a war, landmark research for The Times has shown:
Half of Generation Z think that Britain is a racist country and only a tenth would risk their lives to defend it in a war, landmark research for The Times has shown:
Tons of people, including for some reason many politicians, go by something other than their first name. Saying its for his character is such a lame way of making that quite normal thing look phony.
It is phony
His family don't call him Boris. They use his first name.
He only uses it "professionally", when running for office.
It's a character.
Of course its phony. It isn't his given name, as you rightly point out. But who cares? Boris is in the past - what does it matter?
Can you accept that Rejoin is not a silver bullet solution to all our problems? If things were objectively better before Brexit then we would not have had Brexit. Our decline - the thing we need to arrest - started long long before Brexit, and won't be fixed by magically reversing course.
The point is originally mine and it is FPT
It's a conversation I overheard a couple of hours ago, here's what I posted:
Sitting in a posh-ish Bangkok restaurant having lunch. Overheard two older businessmen discussing global politics - one Israeli (judging by the accent) - one Singaporean Chinese (I think)
They did a quick resume of the world:
America - still powerful, Trump is mad
China - scary
France - perhaps the most beautiful country, really poor politicians
Russia - scary
Britain - “it just gets worse and worse every year, Boris was bad enough, this new guy is terrible. Brits aren’t the brightest”
Oh dear. However they did then spend 10 minutes discussing British cultural references - from the royals to Piers Morgan - so at least we’re still talked about
[from this I took several lessons, one of which is: Boris might be unique in being a leading politician known worldwide by his first name]
I'm curious as to what an Israeli English accent is.
Wouldn't most globetrotting Israelis have an English accent influenced by whatever country they studied / worked / lived in when younger ?
Or did this bloke just sound like Benny Net ?
You've honestly never heard an Israeli accent??
Think indeed about Bibi Netanyahu speaking English. That is an Israeli accent. It is one of the most distinctive accents in the "Anglophone" world
In real life I don't think I've ever met an Israeli.
So that leaves a few Israeli politicians who are on the television.
Now Netanyahu lived in the USA when he was young and then returned to go to university there in his twenties and then worked there for a few more years.
That will have influenced his accent.
If he had lived instead in England, Australia or even a different part of the USA his accent would likely be different.
Well I've met Israelis all over the world, young and old, and they nearly all have a strong accent (unless they've spent most of their lives outside Israel)
And Netanyahu is a pretty classic example
If you watch TV and listen to Israeli vox pops that's what Israelis sound like. It is not particularly pretty, a little harsh, but maybe no worse than thick Strine or Saffer
Wikipedia says only 2% of Israelis are native English speakers, while 53% are native Hebrew speakers.
Yes, on my visits to Israel I've often been surprised at how BADLY some speak English. Because we only hear English-speakers from Israel (albeit accented) on TV we presume it is almost the main language there. It really is not. Hebrew absolutely dominates, despite it being a language re-invented from whole cloth in the 20th century, to go with the new country
A lesson to independent Ireland there, you too could have done it, with Gaelic. But you didn't
If 99% of Israel's population had been English speakers it might have been a bit harder.
Throw me a bone here, guys. Can somebody fill in the missing data, please?
Population who consider English as their "main language" or "spoken at home" language (%):
USA = 78% (2020 Census) Canadia = 68% (2021 Census, excluding Quebec = 80%) Aus = 72% (2021 Census) NZ = 95% (2018 Census) Singapore = 48% (2020 Census) England = 91% (2021 Census) Scotland = 94% (2022 Census) NI = 95% (2021 Census) Wales = ?? (2021 Census) RoI = ?? (2022 Census)
One thing of interest is the difference between Eng and Scot - England has generally seen far more immigration of non-English speakers than Scotland. I think this is one of the reasons for race relations sometimes being more challenging in England. I also wonder why there is this disparity? Why don't immigrants want to settle Scotland. Put simply, its the weather.*
*I'm mostly joking but I do know one academic who tried to move to Glasgow but had to come back South as his wife hated the weather in Glasgow so much.
That's a west-east thing, Edinburgh gets about 2/3 the rainfall of Glasgow, and much the same as Oxford. Parts of the east coast get still less rainfall. And even parts of Ayrshire and Tiree for instance are pretty dry.
I suspect it's the winter darkness - people coming for the academic year get stunned by it and won't wait till the summer for the long days.
My wife is from Fife and went to University at Aberdeen. She hates the weather in Scotland. She is not that keen with Surrey weather when it drizzles or chucks it down or is dark. I don't mind and prefer it not too hot and prefer greenery to barren landscapes. She prefers a seaview I prefer the countryside. We aren't well matched. Neither are we on food. I'm a foodie, she isn't. I like tart and sour tasting stuff, she likes sweet stuff. Match made in heaven.
Oh and as far as getting wet is concerned I don't give two hoots if it is raining and I get soaked. I always found it amusing that my mum would worry if I went out with wet hair and catch a cold, but didn't seem concerned that I often returned home sopping form head to foot having capsized my canoe or dingy. Not the same somehow!
The Fife coast is the sunniest place in Scotland! Despite this, and hailing from Fife myself, I also hate the Scottish weather, or more specifically the unrelenting dark winter months. Like your wife, though, I am drawn to the sea. I think if you grow up close to the coast you never want to be too far from it. And if there's one thing the UK really has in spades it's beautiful coastline.
Not sure on the logic there because if she is drawn to sea because she was close to it holds true then she should also like the dark and the rain and she really doesn't But I am just being pedantic and I'm sure what you say is true.
Where in Fife?
She was actually born on the West coast (so very wet), but grew up in Kirkcaldy. She was at school with Gordon Brown. Her sister was in the same year.
Half of Generation Z think that Britain is a racist country and only a tenth would risk their lives to defend it in a war, landmark research for The Times has shown:
I wouldnt pay too much attention to this kind of polling. Were Britain actually attacked by some foreign power, I think the national mood would change entirely. Look at Ukraine where previously a lot of people were sympathetic to Russia, but the horrors of war have changed everything. Not everyone would be keen to fight/risk their lives, but it would be far more than 10% who would defend their families, homes etc.
cf. Canada, where a lot of their divisions have suddenly receded and there's been an outpouring of patriotism.
This is what happens when you allow leftist ideology to capture educational institutions, brainwash a generation and teach them their country is evil.
They're not learning this in school.
Oh, they are.
They certainly are.
My kids go/went to school in ultra woke Lewisham and they're learning about the Blitz and the Tudors the same as everyone else. They are taught the national curriculum, which is not very woke. The idea that the state education sector is an incubator for the woke mind virus seems to be held in inverse proportion to people's actual experience of it.
Half of Generation Z think that Britain is a racist country and only a tenth would risk their lives to defend it in a war, landmark research for The Times has shown:
This is what happens when you allow leftist ideology to capture educational institutions, brainwash a generation and teach them their country is evil.
They're not learning this in school.
Oh, they are.
They certainly are.
My kids go/went to school in ultra woke Lewisham and they're learning about the Blitz and the Tudors the same as everyone else. They are taught the national curriculum, which is not very woke. The idea that the state education sector is an incubator for the woke mind virus seems to be held in inverse proportion to people's actual experience of it.
Tons of people, including for some reason many politicians, go by something other than their first name. Saying its for his character is such a lame way of making that quite normal thing look phony.
It is phony
His family don't call him Boris. They use his first name.
He only uses it "professionally", when running for office.
It's a character.
Of course its phony. It isn't his given name, as you rightly point out. But who cares? Boris is in the past - what does it matter?
Can you accept that Rejoin is not a silver bullet solution to all our problems? If things were objectively better before Brexit then we would not have had Brexit. Our decline - the thing we need to arrest - started long long before Brexit, and won't be fixed by magically reversing course.
The point is originally mine and it is FPT
It's a conversation I overheard a couple of hours ago, here's what I posted:
Sitting in a posh-ish Bangkok restaurant having lunch. Overheard two older businessmen discussing global politics - one Israeli (judging by the accent) - one Singaporean Chinese (I think)
They did a quick resume of the world:
America - still powerful, Trump is mad
China - scary
France - perhaps the most beautiful country, really poor politicians
Russia - scary
Britain - “it just gets worse and worse every year, Boris was bad enough, this new guy is terrible. Brits aren’t the brightest”
Oh dear. However they did then spend 10 minutes discussing British cultural references - from the royals to Piers Morgan - so at least we’re still talked about
[from this I took several lessons, one of which is: Boris might be unique in being a leading politician known worldwide by his first name]
I'm curious as to what an Israeli English accent is.
Wouldn't most globetrotting Israelis have an English accent influenced by whatever country they studied / worked / lived in when younger ?
Or did this bloke just sound like Benny Net ?
You've honestly never heard an Israeli accent??
Think indeed about Bibi Netanyahu speaking English. That is an Israeli accent. It is one of the most distinctive accents in the "Anglophone" world
In real life I don't think I've ever met an Israeli.
So that leaves a few Israeli politicians who are on the television.
Now Netanyahu lived in the USA when he was young and then returned to go to university there in his twenties and then worked there for a few more years.
That will have influenced his accent.
If he had lived instead in England, Australia or even a different part of the USA his accent would likely be different.
Well I've met Israelis all over the world, young and old, and they nearly all have a strong accent (unless they've spent most of their lives outside Israel)
And Netanyahu is a pretty classic example
If you watch TV and listen to Israeli vox pops that's what Israelis sound like. It is not particularly pretty, a little harsh, but maybe no worse than thick Strine or Saffer
Wikipedia says only 2% of Israelis are native English speakers, while 53% are native Hebrew speakers.
Yes, on my visits to Israel I've often been surprised at how BADLY some speak English. Because we only hear English-speakers from Israel (albeit accented) on TV we presume it is almost the main language there. It really is not. Hebrew absolutely dominates, despite it being a language re-invented from whole cloth in the 20th century, to go with the new country
A lesson to independent Ireland there, you too could have done it, with Gaelic. But you didn't
If 99% of Israel's population had been English speakers it might have been a bit harder.
Throw me a bone here, guys. Can somebody fill in the missing data, please?
Population who consider English as their "main language" or "spoken at home" language (%):
USA = 78% (2020 Census) Canadia = 68% (2021 Census, excluding Quebec = 80%) Aus = 72% (2021 Census) NZ = 95% (2018 Census) Singapore = 48% (2020 Census) England = 91% (2021 Census) Scotland = 94% (2022 Census) NI = 95% (2021 Census) Wales = ?? (2021 Census) RoI = ?? (2022 Census)
One thing of interest is the difference between Eng and Scot - England has generally seen far more immigration of non-English speakers than Scotland. I think this is one of the reasons for race relations sometimes being more challenging in England. I also wonder why there is this disparity? Why don't immigrants want to settle Scotland. Put simply, its the weather.*
*I'm mostly joking but I do know one academic who tried to move to Glasgow but had to come back South as his wife hated the weather in Glasgow so much.
That's a west-east thing, Edinburgh gets about 2/3 the rainfall of Glasgow, and much the same as Oxford. Parts of the east coast get still less rainfall. And even parts of Ayrshire and Tiree for instance are pretty dry.
I suspect it's the winter darkness - people coming for the academic year get stunned by it and won't wait till the summer for the long days.
My wife is from Fife and went to University at Aberdeen. She hates the weather in Scotland. She is not that keen with Surrey weather when it drizzles or chucks it down or is dark. I don't mind and prefer it not too hot and prefer greenery to barren landscapes. She prefers a seaview I prefer the countryside. We aren't well matched. Neither are we on food. I'm a foodie, she isn't. I like tart and sour tasting stuff, she likes sweet stuff. Match made in heaven.
Oh and as far as getting wet is concerned I don't give two hoots if it is raining and I get soaked. I always found it amusing that my mum would worry if I went out with wet hair and catch a cold, but didn't seem concerned that I often returned home sopping form head to foot having capsized my canoe or dingy. Not the same somehow!
The Fife coast is the sunniest place in Scotland! Despite this, and hailing from Fife myself, I also hate the Scottish weather, or more specifically the unrelenting dark winter months. Like your wife, though, I am drawn to the sea. I think if you grow up close to the coast you never want to be too far from it. And if there's one thing the UK really has in spades it's beautiful coastline.
Not sure on the logic there because if she is drawn to sea because she was close to it holds true then she should also like the dark and the rain and she really doesn't But I am just being pedantic and I'm sure what you say is true.
Where in Fife?
She was actually born on the West coast (so very wet), but grew up in Kirkcaldy. She was at school with Gordon Brown. Her sister was in the same year.
I was born in St Andrews. I was at school with KT Tunstall!
Half of Generation Z think that Britain is a racist country and only a tenth would risk their lives to defend it in a war, landmark research for The Times has shown:
I wouldnt pay too much attention to this kind of polling. Were Britain actually attacked by some foreign power, I think the national mood would change entirely. Look at Ukraine where previously a lot of people were sympathetic to Russia, but the horrors of war have changed everything. Not everyone would be keen to fight/risk their lives, but it would be far more than 10% who would defend their families, homes etc.
"Throughout England people, especially elderly people, were thoroughly shocked." They need not have worried.
Half of Generation Z think that Britain is a racist country and only a tenth would risk their lives to defend it in a war, landmark research for The Times has shown:
It would make us a "rule taker" once more, and I very much doubt would deliver anything like the benefits mooted, but it would hobble us.
Which means there's probably a real risk that negotiator extraordinaire Starmer does it.
Don’t worry, Starmer is far too lacking in moral fibre (ie courage) to do anything like that. I’m mildly surprised about how cowardly Starmer & co have been. The pre GE suggestion was that Labour were only pretending to be Tory lite to placate the red tops and would pivot progressive when they had their majority. Turns out they were exactly who they said they were.
With added complications courtesy of Slab up here. I'm now totally confused what I'd be voting for if I voted for Slab - certainly for Holyrood and even for Westminster (which is the extra surprise amuse-bouche - it really shouldn't be for a Unionist party trying to out-Unionist th e others at present).
The line being pushed by Labour friendly media in Scotland, ie most of it, is that fresh faced, idealistic Sarwar (lol) is being constrained by reactionary Starmer & co. In truth Sarwar is more charmlessly centrist than Starmer, and the unspoken assumption that the good ship SLab would rise on a UK tide of progressive positivity has been mercilessly battered.
Instead it is Reform rising in Scotland just as the rest of the UK outside London
Half of Generation Z think that Britain is a racist country and only a tenth would risk their lives to defend it in a war, landmark research for The Times has shown:
I thought GenZ were more right wing? I lose track.
I'm sharing the findings.
I didn't create them.
Yet, much of that generation admires Andrew Tate, and holds some decidedly reactionary views. Perhaps some of them think that being racist is a good thing.
For far too long the United States has minted pennies which literally cost us more than 2 cents. This is so wasteful! I have instructed my Secretary of the US Treasury to stop producing new pennies. Let's rip the waste out of our great nations budget, even if it's a penny at a time.
Good god. Something I agree with Trump on and well worded as well.
I suspect a good number of his supporters won't like it. Will think it is the end of the world.
And assuming stuff is priced there, like here, ending in .99 to make it look cheaper, there is likely to be a small inflationary hit (unless everything gets rounded down to .95 I suppose).
For far too long the United States has minted pennies which literally cost us more than 2 cents. This is so wasteful! I have instructed my Secretary of the US Treasury to stop producing new pennies. Let's rip the waste out of our great nations budget, even if it's a penny at a time.
Good god. Something I agree with Trump on and well worded as well.
I suspect a good number of his supporters won't like it. Will think it is the end of the world.
And assuming stuff is priced there, like here, ending in .99 to make it look cheaper, there is likely to be a small inflationary hit (unless everything gets rounded down to .95 I suppose).
99p Land doesn't have the same ring to it as PoundLand.
Half of Generation Z think that Britain is a racist country and only a tenth would risk their lives to defend it in a war, landmark research for The Times has shown:
I wouldnt pay too much attention to this kind of polling. Were Britain actually attacked by some foreign power, I think the national mood would change entirely. Look at Ukraine where previously a lot of people were sympathetic to Russia, but the horrors of war have changed everything. Not everyone would be keen to fight/risk their lives, but it would be far more than 10% who would defend their families, homes etc.
When was that Oxford Union "This house wouldn't fight for King and Country" debate?
As for blaming teacher indoctrination, it's hard enough to indoctrinate them to put their blooming mobile phones in their bags.
Half of Generation Z think that Britain is a racist country and only a tenth would risk their lives to defend it in a war, landmark research for The Times has shown:
I wouldnt pay too much attention to this kind of polling. Were Britain actually attacked by some foreign power, I think the national mood would change entirely. Look at Ukraine where previously a lot of people were sympathetic to Russia, but the horrors of war have changed everything. Not everyone would be keen to fight/risk their lives, but it would be far more than 10% who would defend their families, homes etc.
"Throughout England people, especially elderly people, were thoroughly shocked." They need not have worried.
Thanks for posting, a fascinating look back and a reminder of how these kinds of debates are nothing new - right down to the hyperbolic overreaction of the Tory press!
Tons of people, including for some reason many politicians, go by something other than their first name. Saying its for his character is such a lame way of making that quite normal thing look phony.
It is phony
His family don't call him Boris. They use his first name.
He only uses it "professionally", when running for office.
It's a character.
Of course its phony. It isn't his given name, as you rightly point out. But who cares? Boris is in the past - what does it matter?
Can you accept that Rejoin is not a silver bullet solution to all our problems? If things were objectively better before Brexit then we would not have had Brexit. Our decline - the thing we need to arrest - started long long before Brexit, and won't be fixed by magically reversing course.
The point is originally mine and it is FPT
It's a conversation I overheard a couple of hours ago, here's what I posted:
Sitting in a posh-ish Bangkok restaurant having lunch. Overheard two older businessmen discussing global politics - one Israeli (judging by the accent) - one Singaporean Chinese (I think)
They did a quick resume of the world:
America - still powerful, Trump is mad
China - scary
France - perhaps the most beautiful country, really poor politicians
Russia - scary
Britain - “it just gets worse and worse every year, Boris was bad enough, this new guy is terrible. Brits aren’t the brightest”
Oh dear. However they did then spend 10 minutes discussing British cultural references - from the royals to Piers Morgan - so at least we’re still talked about
[from this I took several lessons, one of which is: Boris might be unique in being a leading politician known worldwide by his first name]
I'm curious as to what an Israeli English accent is.
Wouldn't most globetrotting Israelis have an English accent influenced by whatever country they studied / worked / lived in when younger ?
Or did this bloke just sound like Benny Net ?
You've honestly never heard an Israeli accent??
Think indeed about Bibi Netanyahu speaking English. That is an Israeli accent. It is one of the most distinctive accents in the "Anglophone" world
In real life I don't think I've ever met an Israeli.
So that leaves a few Israeli politicians who are on the television.
Now Netanyahu lived in the USA when he was young and then returned to go to university there in his twenties and then worked there for a few more years.
That will have influenced his accent.
If he had lived instead in England, Australia or even a different part of the USA his accent would likely be different.
Well I've met Israelis all over the world, young and old, and they nearly all have a strong accent (unless they've spent most of their lives outside Israel)
And Netanyahu is a pretty classic example
If you watch TV and listen to Israeli vox pops that's what Israelis sound like. It is not particularly pretty, a little harsh, but maybe no worse than thick Strine or Saffer
Wikipedia says only 2% of Israelis are native English speakers, while 53% are native Hebrew speakers.
Yes, on my visits to Israel I've often been surprised at how BADLY some speak English. Because we only hear English-speakers from Israel (albeit accented) on TV we presume it is almost the main language there. It really is not. Hebrew absolutely dominates, despite it being a language re-invented from whole cloth in the 20th century, to go with the new country
A lesson to independent Ireland there, you too could have done it, with Gaelic. But you didn't
If 99% of Israel's population had been English speakers it might have been a bit harder.
Throw me a bone here, guys. Can somebody fill in the missing data, please?
Population who consider English as their "main language" or "spoken at home" language (%):
USA = 78% (2020 Census) Canadia = 68% (2021 Census, excluding Quebec = 80%) Aus = 72% (2021 Census) NZ = 95% (2018 Census) Singapore = 48% (2020 Census) England = 91% (2021 Census) Scotland = 94% (2022 Census) NI = 95% (2021 Census) Wales = ?? (2021 Census) RoI = ?? (2022 Census)
One thing of interest is the difference between Eng and Scot - England has generally seen far more immigration of non-English speakers than Scotland. I think this is one of the reasons for race relations sometimes being more challenging in England. I also wonder why there is this disparity? Why don't immigrants want to settle Scotland. Put simply, its the weather.*
*I'm mostly joking but I do know one academic who tried to move to Glasgow but had to come back South as his wife hated the weather in Glasgow so much.
That's a west-east thing, Edinburgh gets about 2/3 the rainfall of Glasgow, and much the same as Oxford. Parts of the east coast get still less rainfall. And even parts of Ayrshire and Tiree for instance are pretty dry.
I suspect it's the winter darkness - people coming for the academic year get stunned by it and won't wait till the summer for the long days.
My wife is from Fife and went to University at Aberdeen. She hates the weather in Scotland. She is not that keen with Surrey weather when it drizzles or chucks it down or is dark. I don't mind and prefer it not too hot and prefer greenery to barren landscapes. She prefers a seaview I prefer the countryside. We aren't well matched. Neither are we on food. I'm a foodie, she isn't. I like tart and sour tasting stuff, she likes sweet stuff. Match made in heaven.
Oh and as far as getting wet is concerned I don't give two hoots if it is raining and I get soaked. I always found it amusing that my mum would worry if I went out with wet hair and catch a cold, but didn't seem concerned that I often returned home sopping form head to foot having capsized my canoe or dingy. Not the same somehow!
The Fife coast is the sunniest place in Scotland! Despite this, and hailing from Fife myself, I also hate the Scottish weather, or more specifically the unrelenting dark winter months. Like your wife, though, I am drawn to the sea. I think if you grow up close to the coast you never want to be too far from it. And if there's one thing the UK really has in spades it's beautiful coastline.
Not sure on the logic there because if she is drawn to sea because she was close to it holds true then she should also like the dark and the rain and she really doesn't But I am just being pedantic and I'm sure what you say is true.
Where in Fife?
She was actually born on the West coast (so very wet), but grew up in Kirkcaldy. She was at school with Gordon Brown. Her sister was in the same year.
I was born in St Andrews. I was at school with KT Tunstall!
Are, you are a whippersnapper (I have just looked up how old she is). My wife's parents moved to St Andrew's while she was at University. They were kind enough to tell her where her new home was.
Half of Generation Z think that Britain is a racist country and only a tenth would risk their lives to defend it in a war, landmark research for The Times has shown:
I thought GenZ were more right wing? I lose track.
It's complicated, they are very right wing on some things, very woke on others.
For example they would use fascist strategies to ensure transgender people got their full rights.
And, interestingly, fewer here would be willing to marry someone of another race than in 2004.
It's a generation that just isn't thinking.
Hey, I am doing my bit to marry people of other races.
It really worries me.
It's a mixture of dogma, intolerance, and stubborn certitude - with an astonishing lack of self-reflection or perspective.
A generation that could swing in any direction and be just as intractable about it and not open to reason.
The thing I've found striking a lot with my friends/colleagues in Gen Z is just how implacably opposed to marriage in any form.
They'd rather spend the money on the here and now/saving up for a deposit.
And they can still get married in middle age after that, even now the average age for first marriage is over 30 whereas Gen Z are under 30s. There is no age limit on marriage, even pensioners can get married.
Though we do need to restore tax allowance for marriage as well as building the new homes the government is proposing
Half of Generation Z think that Britain is a racist country and only a tenth would risk their lives to defend it in a war, landmark research for The Times has shown:
I thought GenZ were more right wing? I lose track.
I'm sharing the findings.
I didn't create them.
Ideology and wokeism aside, you can't blame the young 'uns for feeling that the country has let them down. They're not getting the benefits that the previous generations took for granted. A place to live on their own is out of reach. Jobs are narrowing in scope with all governments happy to sell jobs and businesses to foreign companies and investors. Everything is so fucking expensive. They get 50 grand of debt just to get a degree that probably won't do them any good. Forming relationships is ever more problematic. What are they going to be fighting for? The right to get their jobs outsourced to China?
For far too long the United States has minted pennies which literally cost us more than 2 cents. This is so wasteful! I have instructed my Secretary of the US Treasury to stop producing new pennies. Let's rip the waste out of our great nations budget, even if it's a penny at a time.
Another thing the President doesn't have the authority to do...
Half of Generation Z think that Britain is a racist country and only a tenth would risk their lives to defend it in a war, landmark research for The Times has shown:
I thought GenZ were more right wing? I lose track.
The picture is mixed. GenZ by the Times def'n is 1997-2012 (Blair's victory to the Olympics), which would make them from 12/13 to 27/28. In this group IIRC the women are more left wing, the men are more right wing, but all are more left-wing than their immediate predecessors. However I think that's swinging fast and as they grow to maturity they will swing more right, *but* the housing issue is a huge problem.
They are weird by the standards of earlier generations: they don't drink, they don't go out, they don't do drugs, they don't have sex, they are somewhat puritanical or "you can't do/say that". They are susceptible to online radicalisation and get angry at world events more than their predecessors, but without turning it into action. They are, for want of a better word, powerless: living with their parents far too long, enforced juvenalization into adulthood, playing videogames in their bedrooms in their parent's house when they should be married with kids in their own house.
The picture is different in the States I think, where young men are really right-wing.
If any of the above is wrong please say, as it is my best guess at best.
This is what happens when you allow leftist ideology to capture educational institutions, brainwash a generation and teach them their country is evil.
They're not learning this in school.
Oh, they are.
They certainly are.
My kids go/went to school in ultra woke Lewisham and they're learning about the Blitz and the Tudors the same as everyone else. They are taught the national curriculum, which is not very woke. The idea that the state education sector is an incubator for the woke mind virus seems to be held in inverse proportion to people's actual experience of it.
Woke = anything I don't like. Windows 11 is Woke.
Thats an unfair description. I think the danger (probably too strong a word) is that you start out trying to be nice to everyone, make people feel comfortable and happy and end up with someone with male genitalia who believes that they are a woman trying to get changed in a female changing room getting upset that other women object to them doing so.
This is what happens when you allow leftist ideology to capture educational institutions, brainwash a generation and teach them their country is evil.
They're not learning this in school.
Oh, they are.
They certainly are.
My kids go/went to school in ultra woke Lewisham and they're learning about the Blitz and the Tudors the same as everyone else. They are taught the national curriculum, which is not very woke. The idea that the state education sector is an incubator for the woke mind virus seems to be held in inverse proportion to people's actual experience of it.
I have kids at school now. Only on Friday we attended a school open day (we are looking at alternatives) where the Headmaster addressed the parents and prided himself that his school didn't teach an "anglocentric" view of the world and will focus on the "toxic legacy of colonialism".
This shit is everywhere, it's endemic, pernicious and extremely dangerous.
Half of Generation Z think that Britain is a racist country and only a tenth would risk their lives to defend it in a war, landmark research for The Times has shown:
For far too long the United States has minted pennies which literally cost us more than 2 cents. This is so wasteful! I have instructed my Secretary of the US Treasury to stop producing new pennies. Let's rip the waste out of our great nations budget, even if it's a penny at a time.
Another thing the President doesn't have the authority to do...
Oh sorry - I thought you meant Mount St Helens was now part of Nottingham .
It would make us a "rule taker" once more, and I very much doubt would deliver anything like the benefits mooted, but it would hobble us.
Which means there's probably a real risk that negotiator extraordinaire Starmer does it.
Don’t worry, Starmer is far too lacking in moral fibre (ie courage) to do anything like that. I’m mildly surprised about how cowardly Starmer & co have been. The pre GE suggestion was that Labour were only pretending to be Tory lite to placate the red tops and would pivot progressive when they had their majority. Turns out they were exactly who they said they were.
With added complications courtesy of Slab up here. I'm now totally confused what I'd be voting for if I voted for Slab - certainly for Holyrood and even for Westminster (which is the extra surprise amuse-bouche - it really shouldn't be for a Unionist party trying to out-Unionist th e others at present).
The line being pushed by Labour friendly media in Scotland, ie most of it, is that fresh faced, idealistic Sarwar (lol) is being constrained by reactionary Starmer & co. In truth Sarwar is more charmlessly centrist than Starmer, and the unspoken assumption that the good ship SLab would rise on a UK tide of progressive positivity has been mercilessly battered.
Instead it is Reform rising in Scotland just as the rest of the UK outside London
This is what happens when you allow leftist ideology to capture educational institutions, brainwash a generation and teach them their country is evil.
They're not learning this in school.
Oh, they are.
They certainly are.
My kids go/went to school in ultra woke Lewisham and they're learning about the Blitz and the Tudors the same as everyone else. They are taught the national curriculum, which is not very woke. The idea that the state education sector is an incubator for the woke mind virus seems to be held in inverse proportion to people's actual experience of it.
I have kids at school now. Only on Friday we attended a school open day (we are looking at alternatives) where the Headmaster addressed the parents and prided himself that his school didn't teach an "anglocentric" view of the world and will focus on the "toxic legacy of colonialism".
This shit is everywhere, it's endemic, pernicious and extremely dangerous.
This is what happens when you allow leftist ideology to capture educational institutions, brainwash a generation and teach them their country is evil.
They're not learning this in school.
Oh, they are.
They certainly are.
My kids go/went to school in ultra woke Lewisham and they're learning about the Blitz and the Tudors the same as everyone else. They are taught the national curriculum, which is not very woke. The idea that the state education sector is an incubator for the woke mind virus seems to be held in inverse proportion to people's actual experience of it.
I have kids at school now. Only on Friday we attended a school open day (we are looking at alternatives) where the Headmaster addressed the parents and prided himself that his school didn't teach an "anglocentric" view of the world and will focus on the "toxic legacy of colonialism".
This shit is everywhere, it's endemic, pernicious and extremely dangerous.
Hang on, it's only 1314 and you're getting excited. And I'm not talking about Bannockburn.
For far too long the United States has minted pennies which literally cost us more than 2 cents. This is so wasteful! I have instructed my Secretary of the US Treasury to stop producing new pennies. Let's rip the waste out of our great nations budget, even if it's a penny at a time.
Another thing the President doesn't have the authority to do...
I think we are past worrying about the illegality of Executive Orders. I suspect we can now work on the assumption that they are all legal now.
Half of Generation Z think that Britain is a racist country and only a tenth would risk their lives to defend it in a war, landmark research for The Times has shown:
I thought GenZ were more right wing? I lose track.
The picture is mixed. GenZ by the Times def'n is 1997-2012 (Blair's victory to the Olympics), which would make them from 12/13 to 27/28. In this group IIRC the women are more left wing, the men are more right wing, but all are more left-wing than their immediate predecessors. However I think that's swinging fast and as they grow to maturity they will swing more right, *but* the housing issue is a huge problem.
They are weird by the standards of earlier generations: they don't drink, they don't go out, they don't do drugs, they don't have sex, they are somewhat puritanical or "you can't do/say that". They are susceptible to online radicalisation and get angry at world events more than their predecessors, but without turning it into action. They are, for want of a better word, powerless: living with their parents far too long, enforced juvenalization into adulthood, playing videogames in their bedrooms in their parent's house when they should be married with kids in their own house.
The picture is different in the States I think, where young men are really right-wing.
If any of the above is wrong please say, as it is my best guess at best.
One interesting thing I was hearing this morning was Andrew Tate being cited as a Maga "Manoshere" hero in the bubble alongside various others.
This is what happens when you allow leftist ideology to capture educational institutions, brainwash a generation and teach them their country is evil.
They're not learning this in school.
Oh, they are.
They certainly are.
My kids go/went to school in ultra woke Lewisham and they're learning about the Blitz and the Tudors the same as everyone else. They are taught the national curriculum, which is not very woke. The idea that the state education sector is an incubator for the woke mind virus seems to be held in inverse proportion to people's actual experience of it.
I have kids at school now. Only on Friday we attended a school open day (we are looking at alternatives) where the Headmaster addressed the parents and prided himself that his school didn't teach an "anglocentric" view of the world and will focus on the "toxic legacy of colonialism".
This shit is everywhere, it's endemic, pernicious and extremely dangerous.
Hampshire must be a lot more woke than Lewisham. Maybe we need to move there!
This is what happens when you allow leftist ideology to capture educational institutions, brainwash a generation and teach them their country is evil.
They're not learning this in school.
Oh, they are.
They certainly are.
My kids go/went to school in ultra woke Lewisham and they're learning about the Blitz and the Tudors the same as everyone else. They are taught the national curriculum, which is not very woke. The idea that the state education sector is an incubator for the woke mind virus seems to be held in inverse proportion to people's actual experience of it.
Woke = anything I don't like. Windows 11 is Woke.
Thats an unfair description. I think the danger (probably too strong a word) is that you start out trying to be nice to everyone, make people feel comfortable and happy and end up with someone with male genitalia who believes that they are a woman trying to get changed in a female changing room getting upset that other women object to them doing so.
Speaking of which, somebody said on Twitter that Sarah McBride still has a penis. Is this true?
This is what happens when you allow leftist ideology to capture educational institutions, brainwash a generation and teach them their country is evil.
They're not learning this in school.
Oh, they are.
They certainly are.
My kids go/went to school in ultra woke Lewisham and they're learning about the Blitz and the Tudors the same as everyone else. They are taught the national curriculum, which is not very woke. The idea that the state education sector is an incubator for the woke mind virus seems to be held in inverse proportion to people's actual experience of it.
I have kids at school now. Only on Friday we attended a school open day (we are looking at alternatives) where the Headmaster addressed the parents and prided himself that his school didn't teach an "anglocentric" view of the world and will focus on the "toxic legacy of colonialism".
This shit is everywhere, it's endemic, pernicious and extremely dangerous.
Hampshire must be a lot more woke than Lewisham. Maybe we need to move there!
What to you may sound like a bad idea could well be exactly what other parents (say Indian) want to here...
"...Copilot, hi! I am using the SAS language. I have many "proc tabulate" commands. How do I force each command to output the data into a table, and how do I combine the resultant tables into one?..."
This is what happens when you allow leftist ideology to capture educational institutions, brainwash a generation and teach them their country is evil.
They're not learning this in school.
Oh, they are.
They certainly are.
My kids go/went to school in ultra woke Lewisham and they're learning about the Blitz and the Tudors the same as everyone else. They are taught the national curriculum, which is not very woke. The idea that the state education sector is an incubator for the woke mind virus seems to be held in inverse proportion to people's actual experience of it.
I have kids at school now. Only on Friday we attended a school open day (we are looking at alternatives) where the Headmaster addressed the parents and prided himself that his school didn't teach an "anglocentric" view of the world and will focus on the "toxic legacy of colonialism".
This shit is everywhere, it's endemic, pernicious and extremely dangerous.
Hang on, it's only 1314 and you're getting excited. And I'm not talking about Bannockburn.
This is what happens when you allow leftist ideology to capture educational institutions, brainwash a generation and teach them their country is evil.
They're not learning this in school.
Oh, they are.
They certainly are.
My kids go/went to school in ultra woke Lewisham and they're learning about the Blitz and the Tudors the same as everyone else. They are taught the national curriculum, which is not very woke. The idea that the state education sector is an incubator for the woke mind virus seems to be held in inverse proportion to people's actual experience of it.
I have kids at school now. Only on Friday we attended a school open day (we are looking at alternatives) where the Headmaster addressed the parents and prided himself that his school didn't teach an "anglocentric" view of the world and will focus on the "toxic legacy of colonialism".
This shit is everywhere, it's endemic, pernicious and extremely dangerous.
Hampshire must be a lot more woke than Lewisham. Maybe we need to move there!
My children’s Lewisham school experience is the same as yours. Now, of course they also learn about the rest of the world, including Africa and Asia, and are taught pretty uncontroversial things as “slavery was bad”, but so was I growing up in the 1990s. More broadly they are encouraged to be caring, respectful citizens and are so much pleasanter to each other than children were when I was growing up.
On bat tunnels, jumping spiders and European Union Law, there are two main pieces of UK legislation that govern the protection of species, The Wildlife and Countryside Act of 1981, and more importantly in a recent context (because we were still able to build things in the 80s and 90s), The Conservation of Habitats and Species Regulations of 2017.
Both were implemented in order to enshrine EU law, despite the fact that in 2017, we'd already voted to leave.
The Wildlife and Countryside Act of 1981 enshrined the Birds Directive and the Bern Convention into UK law. It was enacted primarily to implement these European Council Directives: 79/409/EEC on the conservation of wild birds and the Bern Convention, which focuses on the conservation of wild flora and fauna and their natural habitats in Europe.
The Conservation of Habitats and Species Regulations 2017 implements guidelines from the European Union's Habitats Directive (Council Directive 92/43/EEC) and the Wild Birds Directive (2009/147/EC) specifically within the UK context.
This regulation applies to anyone planning land or property development projects and requires compliance with strict parameters, such as conducting appropriate ecology surveys and obtaining a European Protected Species Licence (EPSL) when necessary.
It also mandates that any plan or project proposal affecting a European site must undergo a Habitats Regulations Assessment (HRA) to ensure it does not significantly harm the designated features of the site.
The regulation is enforced by various organisations including the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (DEFRA), Joint Nature Conservation Committee (JNCC), and Natural England, among others.
Hopefully this helps some PBers who have been in denial over this issue.
I did miss it on the previous thread and almost missed it here as well. If I had of done it would not have been intentional.
I appreciate the effort in you replying in detail. Most wouldn't.
a) As you point out we had left in 2017 so we are not implementing an EU law, but implementing our own law. Presumably because those in power (right or wrong) thought the EU law a good law to copy and implement. So this has nothing whatsoever to do with being in the EU. To argue otherwise is nut, because we didn't need to implement it and we did. Do we not implement laws that other countries have just because they have them? Really? I believe murder is against the law in most EU countries and it is against the law here as well. Shall we repeal it then because they have it? No of course not.
So we didn't have to implement it in 2017 and yet we did. So not a consequence of being in the EU then. It is not beyond us to implement bad laws (not that I know this is one) without having to blame the EU.
b) Now laws we implemented when we were in the EU (because I can't use the argument above on them) that you reference. Can you actually point out the 1981 EU wording and compare it to what we put into law and what you find reprehensible about it?
I'm sorry but as I pointed out before Boris tried this trick at the Treasury Select Committee and unfortunately for him when he quoted a bunch of these EU laws committee members were prepared for him and took him apart. A lot of it was on the rules on coffins I believe. This resulted in the famous quote which I can't be bothered to look up but paraphrasing:
'That is all very well Boris, but none of it is actually true is it'.
It is a committee meeting worth watching and is on the internet. Andrew Tyrie made the quote. Boris made a complete arse of himself on the very topic of us implementing EU laws.
We had voted to leave in 2016. We were still members of the EU until the 31st of January 2020. If you're arguing that the British state relished the gold-plating of EU law and always took a maximalist approach, I'd agree, but to claim that the adoption of this law, which was a requirement of member states, had nothing to do with the EU, as you have in bold, is simply absurd.
Thanks for that reply @Luckyguy1983. Good point, but it is not really absurd. We did not have to do it. Nobody was going to do anything about it if we didn't and why didn't we repeal it on leaving. I understand the irony of that point, as it is the one you are constantly making, but do you ever think why not? Why haven't we? Well because the vast majority of the EU laws, which make up only a very, very small percentage of our laws are sensible and ones we would implement ourselves independently.
Re gold plating - I agree.
Now come on, you have dealt with one of my points very well, so what about the rest? Answer them please.
Blaming the EU for £100m bat tunnel is a cop out. We have a whole host of idiots in the UK to blame for duff decisions and duff laws without having to blame French and German idiots. They were a convenient scapegoat while we were in the EU. Not anymore.
Have you seen Boris giving evidence to the committee? Not sure you would feel so confident in your position if you had. I highly recommend a viewing. Easy to find on the internet.
What on earth has Boris being caught with his rhetorical pants down (as you allege) got to do with the factual matters we're discussing? It may make you feel good, but it doesn't have any material bearing.
I am not 'blaming the EU' for the bat tunnel, but it is a fact that the bat tunnel was designed and built to comply with EU-devised species regulations of 2017 as enforced by Natural England. Yes, we could have done something else stupid if we didn't have those regulations, but we only got a vote to leave the EU, not to rid ourselves of all stupid people in authority.
Rather than rewatching Boris gotchas perhaps you should look into the very diligent and evidence-based work of the late Christopher Booker, who relentlessly catalogued how EU regulations were fucking up Britain (yes abetted by eager British agencies and politicians). Here’s a piece on disastrous flooding in Somerset, that was created as a result of a deliberate strategy of 'water storage' in flood plains, an implementation of the European Water Framework Directive. https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=541009169425834&vanity=EUWater&slug=a.418560901670662
Having read the Directive, I can tell you that droughts in the summer and floods in the winter are not bugs, they are features. The overall bias of the document is strongly to rely on 'water saving measures' rather than building new infrastructure - in other words, alarm people about climate change and convince them that water (of all the absurd notions in the UK) is scarce. Or the opposite, make dredging a near impossibility and blame the resulting floods on climate change.
The EU was not alone in pursuing this approach - it is a broad internationalist approach that is seen across Western nations and has prevailed until recently in the US too. But the EU was a major source of such laws, and leaving remains an opportunity to choose a different future for the UK - that of a prosperous well-run country not an impoverished mediaeval inspired shithole.
This is what happens when you allow leftist ideology to capture educational institutions, brainwash a generation and teach them their country is evil.
They're not learning this in school.
Oh, they are.
They certainly are.
My kids go/went to school in ultra woke Lewisham and they're learning about the Blitz and the Tudors the same as everyone else. They are taught the national curriculum, which is not very woke. The idea that the state education sector is an incubator for the woke mind virus seems to be held in inverse proportion to people's actual experience of it.
I have kids at school now. Only on Friday we attended a school open day (we are looking at alternatives) where the Headmaster addressed the parents and prided himself that his school didn't teach an "anglocentric" view of the world and will focus on the "toxic legacy of colonialism".
This shit is everywhere, it's endemic, pernicious and extremely dangerous.
This is what happens when you allow leftist ideology to capture educational institutions, brainwash a generation and teach them their country is evil.
They're not learning this in school.
Oh, they are.
They certainly are.
My kids go/went to school in ultra woke Lewisham and they're learning about the Blitz and the Tudors the same as everyone else. They are taught the national curriculum, which is not very woke. The idea that the state education sector is an incubator for the woke mind virus seems to be held in inverse proportion to people's actual experience of it.
I have kids at school now. Only on Friday we attended a school open day (we are looking at alternatives) where the Headmaster addressed the parents and prided himself that his school didn't teach an "anglocentric" view of the world and will focus on the "toxic legacy of colonialism".
This shit is everywhere, it's endemic, pernicious and extremely dangerous.
Hampshire must be a lot more woke than Lewisham. Maybe we need to move there!
What to you may sound like a bad idea could well be exactly what other parents (say Indian) want to here...
Indeed. I wonder whether some private schools may sound more "woke" because they are trying to attract a foreign parent base. FWIW I don't want my kids' school to teach them that the British Empire was great or that it was evil. I'd like it to teach them the critical reasoning skills to understand both sides of the argument and come to their own conclusions.
Half of Generation Z think that Britain is a racist country and only a tenth would risk their lives to defend it in a war, landmark research for The Times has shown:
I thought GenZ were more right wing? I lose track.
The picture is mixed. GenZ by the Times def'n is 1997-2012 (Blair's victory to the Olympics), which would make them from 12/13 to 27/28. In this group IIRC the women are more left wing, the men are more right wing, but all are more left-wing than their immediate predecessors. However I think that's swinging fast and as they grow to maturity they will swing more right, *but* the housing issue is a huge problem.
They are weird by the standards of earlier generations: they don't drink, they don't go out, they don't do drugs, they don't have sex, they are somewhat puritanical or "you can't do/say that". They are susceptible to online radicalisation and get angry at world events more than their predecessors, but without turning it into action. They are, for want of a better word, powerless: living with their parents far too long, enforced juvenalization into adulthood, playing videogames in their bedrooms in their parent's house when they should be married with kids in their own house.
The picture is different in the States I think, where young men are really right-wing.
If any of the above is wrong please say, as it is my best guess at best.
Proof that social media for under 16s should be banned imo. Australia has got it right.
Half of Generation Z think that Britain is a racist country and only a tenth would risk their lives to defend it in a war, landmark research for The Times has shown:
I thought GenZ were more right wing? I lose track.
It's complicated, they are very right wing on some things, very woke on others.
For example they would use fascist strategies to ensure transgender people got their full rights.
And, interestingly, fewer here would be willing to marry someone of another race than in 2004.
It's a generation that just isn't thinking.
Hey, I am doing my bit to marry people of other races.
It really worries me.
It's a mixture of dogma, intolerance, and stubborn certitude - with an astonishing lack of self-reflection or perspective.
A generation that could swing in any direction and be just as intractable about it and not open to reason.
The thing I've found striking a lot with my friends/colleagues in Gen Z is just how implacably opposed to marriage in any form.
They'd rather spend the money on the here and now/saving up for a deposit.
Marriage (I assume you actually mean the wedding?) doesn't have to cost that much. Ours cost a few thousand and we had it at the local pub (decent sized function room, 50 guests). Attended another with just the couple and four guests. My prejudice suggests that the more money is spent on the wedding, the less chance their is of the marriage lasting.
Half of Generation Z think that Britain is a racist country and only a tenth would risk their lives to defend it in a war, landmark research for The Times has shown:
I thought GenZ were more right wing? I lose track.
The picture is mixed. GenZ by the Times def'n is 1997-2012 (Blair's victory to the Olympics), which would make them from 12/13 to 27/28. In this group IIRC the women are more left wing, the men are more right wing, but all are more left-wing than their immediate predecessors. However I think that's swinging fast and as they grow to maturity they will swing more right, *but* the housing issue is a huge problem.
They are weird by the standards of earlier generations: they don't drink, they don't go out, they don't do drugs, they don't have sex, they are somewhat puritanical or "you can't do/say that". They are susceptible to online radicalisation and get angry at world events more than their predecessors, but without turning it into action. They are, for want of a better word, powerless: living with their parents far too long, enforced juvenalization into adulthood, playing videogames in their bedrooms in their parent's house when they should be married with kids in their own house.
The picture is different in the States I think, where young men are really right-wing.
If any of the above is wrong please say, as it is my best guess at best.
Proof that social media for under 16s should be banned imo. Australia has got it right.
Half of Generation Z think that Britain is a racist country and only a tenth would risk their lives to defend it in a war, landmark research for The Times has shown:
I thought GenZ were more right wing? I lose track.
The picture is mixed. GenZ by the Times def'n is 1997-2012 (Blair's victory to the Olympics), which would make them from 12/13 to 27/28. In this group IIRC the women are more left wing, the men are more right wing, but all are more left-wing than their immediate predecessors. However I think that's swinging fast and as they grow to maturity they will swing more right, *but* the housing issue is a huge problem.
They are weird by the standards of earlier generations: they don't drink, they don't go out, they don't do drugs, they don't have sex, they are somewhat puritanical or "you can't do/say that". They are susceptible to online radicalisation and get angry at world events more than their predecessors, but without turning it into action. They are, for want of a better word, powerless: living with their parents far too long, enforced juvenalization into adulthood, playing videogames in their bedrooms in their parent's house when they should be married with kids in their own house.
The picture is different in the States I think, where young men are really right-wing.
If any of the above is wrong please say, as it is my best guess at best.
It is the case even more in the EU '"Sixty per cent of young men under 30 would consider voting for the far right in EU countries and this is much higher than the share among women," says Prof Abou-Chadi, in analysis drawn from a subset of the 2024 European Election Study. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy082dn7rkqo
Young men tend to take more traditional views of gender norms and a harder line on immigration than young women.
In the US last year too while Trump won 49% of men aged 18 to 29 he won just 38% of women aged 18-29.
Here under 30s of both genders are much less likely to consider Reform and the nationalist right but where they do the gender divide is still there. Reform won 14% of men aged 25-34 last year for instance but just 7% of women of that age group
This is what happens when you allow leftist ideology to capture educational institutions, brainwash a generation and teach them their country is evil.
They're not learning this in school.
Oh, they are.
They certainly are.
My kids go/went to school in ultra woke Lewisham and they're learning about the Blitz and the Tudors the same as everyone else. They are taught the national curriculum, which is not very woke. The idea that the state education sector is an incubator for the woke mind virus seems to be held in inverse proportion to people's actual experience of it.
Woke = anything I don't like. Windows 11 is Woke.
Thats an unfair description. I think the danger (probably too strong a word) is that you start out trying to be nice to everyone, make people feel comfortable and happy and end up with someone with male genitalia who believes that they are a woman trying to get changed in a female changing room getting upset that other women object to them doing so.
The NHS case in Scotland? As my wife put it, the solution is changing cubicles. She hates open plan changing regardless of genitalia.
Honestly, the performative Italian preciousness about food and drink “rules” (and it’s completely performative, and recent) is getting a bit tired.
If Hawaiian pizza didn’t have an appealing taste then nobody would eat it. Pork and fruit is a common combination.
Real Italian gastronomes understand that cuisine is open source, food rules are stifling, and 99% of those so called rules were invented in the last few decades.
See French cuisine for an example of the stultifying effect of faux tradition.
This is what happens when you allow leftist ideology to capture educational institutions, brainwash a generation and teach them their country is evil.
They're not learning this in school.
Oh, they are.
They certainly are.
My kids go/went to school in ultra woke Lewisham and they're learning about the Blitz and the Tudors the same as everyone else. They are taught the national curriculum, which is not very woke. The idea that the state education sector is an incubator for the woke mind virus seems to be held in inverse proportion to people's actual experience of it.
I have kids at school now. Only on Friday we attended a school open day (we are looking at alternatives) where the Headmaster addressed the parents and prided himself that his school didn't teach an "anglocentric" view of the world and will focus on the "toxic legacy of colonialism".
This shit is everywhere, it's endemic, pernicious and extremely dangerous.
Why should we teach the "anglocentric" view of the world - and what even is that?
My kids transferred from English to Scottish schools 4 years ago, and the difference in the syllabus was marked in things like history. In their case the "didn't teach the anglocentric view" is that England is not the United Kingdom and whole chunks of history are missed out or taught one-sided. Whole chunks of BRITISH history.
Half of Generation Z think that Britain is a racist country and only a tenth would risk their lives to defend it in a war, landmark research for The Times has shown:
I thought GenZ were more right wing? I lose track.
The picture is mixed. GenZ by the Times def'n is 1997-2012 (Blair's victory to the Olympics), which would make them from 12/13 to 27/28. In this group IIRC the women are more left wing, the men are more right wing, but all are more left-wing than their immediate predecessors. However I think that's swinging fast and as they grow to maturity they will swing more right, *but* the housing issue is a huge problem.
They are weird by the standards of earlier generations: they don't drink, they don't go out, they don't do drugs, they don't have sex, they are somewhat puritanical or "you can't do/say that". They are susceptible to online radicalisation and get angry at world events more than their predecessors, but without turning it into action. They are, for want of a better word, powerless: living with their parents far too long, enforced juvenalization into adulthood, playing videogames in their bedrooms in their parent's house when they should be married with kids in their own house.
The picture is different in the States I think, where young men are really right-wing.
If any of the above is wrong please say, as it is my best guess at best.
Proof that social media for under 16s should be banned imo. Australia has got it right.
Half of Generation Z think that Britain is a racist country and only a tenth would risk their lives to defend it in a war, landmark research for The Times has shown:
I thought GenZ were more right wing? I lose track.
The picture is mixed. GenZ by the Times def'n is 1997-2012 (Blair's victory to the Olympics), which would make them from 12/13 to 27/28. In this group IIRC the women are more left wing, the men are more right wing, but all are more left-wing than their immediate predecessors. However I think that's swinging fast and as they grow to maturity they will swing more right, *but* the housing issue is a huge problem.
They are weird by the standards of earlier generations: they don't drink, they don't go out, they don't do drugs, they don't have sex, they are somewhat puritanical or "you can't do/say that". They are susceptible to online radicalisation and get angry at world events more than their predecessors, but without turning it into action. They are, for want of a better word, powerless: living with their parents far too long, enforced juvenalization into adulthood, playing videogames in their bedrooms in their parent's house when they should be married with kids in their own house.
The picture is different in the States I think, where young men are really right-wing.
If any of the above is wrong please say, as it is my best guess at best.
Proof that social media for under 16s should be banned imo. Australia has got it right.
This is what happens when you allow leftist ideology to capture educational institutions, brainwash a generation and teach them their country is evil.
They're not learning this in school.
Oh, they are.
They certainly are.
My kids go/went to school in ultra woke Lewisham and they're learning about the Blitz and the Tudors the same as everyone else. They are taught the national curriculum, which is not very woke. The idea that the state education sector is an incubator for the woke mind virus seems to be held in inverse proportion to people's actual experience of it.
I have kids at school now. Only on Friday we attended a school open day (we are looking at alternatives) where the Headmaster addressed the parents and prided himself that his school didn't teach an "anglocentric" view of the world and will focus on the "toxic legacy of colonialism".
This shit is everywhere, it's endemic, pernicious and extremely dangerous.
This is what happens when you allow leftist ideology to capture educational institutions, brainwash a generation and teach them their country is evil.
They're not learning this in school.
Oh, they are.
They certainly are.
My kids go/went to school in ultra woke Lewisham and they're learning about the Blitz and the Tudors the same as everyone else. They are taught the national curriculum, which is not very woke. The idea that the state education sector is an incubator for the woke mind virus seems to be held in inverse proportion to people's actual experience of it.
I have kids at school now. Only on Friday we attended a school open day (we are looking at alternatives) where the Headmaster addressed the parents and prided himself that his school didn't teach an "anglocentric" view of the world and will focus on the "toxic legacy of colonialism".
This shit is everywhere, it's endemic, pernicious and extremely dangerous.
Hang on, it's only 1314 and you're getting excited. And I'm not talking about Bannockburn.
Do you wish we were talking about Bannockburn?
I remember there was this, er, "documentary" a number of years back that ended with the immortal words:
"In the Year of our Lord 1314, patriots of Scotland - starving and outnumbered - charged the fields of Bannockburn. They fought like warrior poets; they fought like Scotsmen, and won their freedom."
This is what happens when you allow leftist ideology to capture educational institutions, brainwash a generation and teach them their country is evil.
They're not learning this in school.
Oh, they are.
They certainly are.
My kids go/went to school in ultra woke Lewisham and they're learning about the Blitz and the Tudors the same as everyone else. They are taught the national curriculum, which is not very woke. The idea that the state education sector is an incubator for the woke mind virus seems to be held in inverse proportion to people's actual experience of it.
I have kids at school now. Only on Friday we attended a school open day (we are looking at alternatives) where the Headmaster addressed the parents and prided himself that his school didn't teach an "anglocentric" view of the world and will focus on the "toxic legacy of colonialism".
This shit is everywhere, it's endemic, pernicious and extremely dangerous.
Hampshire must be a lot more woke than Lewisham. Maybe we need to move there!
What to you may sound like a bad idea could well be exactly what other parents (say Indian) want to here...
Indeed. I wonder whether some private schools may sound more "woke" because they are trying to attract a foreign parent base. FWIW I don't want my kids' school to teach them that the British Empire was great or that it was evil. I'd like it to teach them the critical reasoning skills to understand both sides of the argument and come to their own conclusions.
Half of Generation Z think that Britain is a racist country and only a tenth would risk their lives to defend it in a war, landmark research for The Times has shown:
I can't find the actual survey/report, just the Times summary of, and reporting of, it. Has any kind person got a link to the survey/summary please?
Paywalls exist for a reason. Your consistent evasion of them, via links on here, is - quite seriously - inviting legal action against OGH and the site
@IanB2 lifts entire chunks of Andrew Rawnsley from the Guardian, but I guess that is forgiveable because Ian is a fool and the Guardian has no paywall, yet. The Times certainly does
Half of Generation Z think that Britain is a racist country and only a tenth would risk their lives to defend it in a war, landmark research for The Times has shown:
I thought GenZ were more right wing? I lose track.
The picture is mixed. GenZ by the Times def'n is 1997-2012 (Blair's victory to the Olympics), which would make them from 12/13 to 27/28. In this group IIRC the women are more left wing, the men are more right wing, but all are more left-wing than their immediate predecessors. However I think that's swinging fast and as they grow to maturity they will swing more right, *but* the housing issue is a huge problem.
They are weird by the standards of earlier generations: they don't drink, they don't go out, they don't do drugs, they don't have sex, they are somewhat puritanical or "you can't do/say that". They are susceptible to online radicalisation and get angry at world events more than their predecessors, but without turning it into action. They are, for want of a better word, powerless: living with their parents far too long, enforced juvenalization into adulthood, playing videogames in their bedrooms in their parent's house when they should be married with kids in their own house.
The picture is different in the States I think, where young men are really right-wing.
If any of the above is wrong please say, as it is my best guess at best.
You are right about housing and its knock-on effects although paradoxically, living with mum and dad might mean they have more spare cash.
The whole generation thing (another import from America by journalists too time-pressed to think) is hugely complicated by changing demographics. These people who would or would not fight for Britain, is that against France or against the country of their grandparents? The ones more or less keen on sex, are they perhaps more likely to be following Islamic or even Catholic mores? And so on.
This is what happens when you allow leftist ideology to capture educational institutions, brainwash a generation and teach them their country is evil.
They're not learning this in school.
Oh, they are.
They certainly are.
My kids go/went to school in ultra woke Lewisham and they're learning about the Blitz and the Tudors the same as everyone else. They are taught the national curriculum, which is not very woke. The idea that the state education sector is an incubator for the woke mind virus seems to be held in inverse proportion to people's actual experience of it.
Woke = anything I don't like. Windows 11 is Woke.
Thats an unfair description. I think the danger (probably too strong a word) is that you start out trying to be nice to everyone, make people feel comfortable and happy and end up with someone with male genitalia who believes that they are a woman trying to get changed in a female changing room getting upset that other women object to them doing so.
The NHS case in Scotland? As my wife put it, the solution is changing cubicles. She hates open plan changing regardless of genitalia.
Hard to disagree - also no more women's and men's toilets - unisex is the way ahead. (Or the past - that was what I found in Auckland Uni in 1998...)
This is what happens when you allow leftist ideology to capture educational institutions, brainwash a generation and teach them their country is evil.
They're not learning this in school.
Oh, they are.
They certainly are.
My kids go/went to school in ultra woke Lewisham and they're learning about the Blitz and the Tudors the same as everyone else. They are taught the national curriculum, which is not very woke. The idea that the state education sector is an incubator for the woke mind virus seems to be held in inverse proportion to people's actual experience of it.
I have kids at school now. Only on Friday we attended a school open day (we are looking at alternatives) where the Headmaster addressed the parents and prided himself that his school didn't teach an "anglocentric" view of the world and will focus on the "toxic legacy of colonialism".
This shit is everywhere, it's endemic, pernicious and extremely dangerous.
Hang on, it's only 1314 and you're getting excited. And I'm not talking about Bannockburn.
Do you wish we were talking about Bannockburn?
I remember there was this, er, "documentary" a number of years back that ended with the immortal words:
"In the Year of our Lord 1314, patriots of Scotland - starving and outnumbered - charged the fields of Bannockburn. They fought like warrior poets; they fought like Scotsmen, and won their freedom."
And for the "N"th time I have to ask: what does a warrior poet fight like? With quills? In iambic pentameter? What? How? Is parchment involved?
"Albanian criminal’s deportation halted over son’s distaste for chicken nuggets Evidence about child’s picky eating helps convince immigration tribunal that being forced to leave UK would be unduly harsh"
This is what happens when you allow leftist ideology to capture educational institutions, brainwash a generation and teach them their country is evil.
They're not learning this in school.
Oh, they are.
They certainly are.
My kids go/went to school in ultra woke Lewisham and they're learning about the Blitz and the Tudors the same as everyone else. They are taught the national curriculum, which is not very woke. The idea that the state education sector is an incubator for the woke mind virus seems to be held in inverse proportion to people's actual experience of it.
I have kids at school now. Only on Friday we attended a school open day (we are looking at alternatives) where the Headmaster addressed the parents and prided himself that his school didn't teach an "anglocentric" view of the world and will focus on the "toxic legacy of colonialism".
This shit is everywhere, it's endemic, pernicious and extremely dangerous.
This is what happens when you allow leftist ideology to capture educational institutions, brainwash a generation and teach them their country is evil.
They're not learning this in school.
Oh, they are.
They certainly are.
My kids go/went to school in ultra woke Lewisham and they're learning about the Blitz and the Tudors the same as everyone else. They are taught the national curriculum, which is not very woke. The idea that the state education sector is an incubator for the woke mind virus seems to be held in inverse proportion to people's actual experience of it.
I have kids at school now. Only on Friday we attended a school open day (we are looking at alternatives) where the Headmaster addressed the parents and prided himself that his school didn't teach an "anglocentric" view of the world and will focus on the "toxic legacy of colonialism".
This shit is everywhere, it's endemic, pernicious and extremely dangerous.
Hampshire must be a lot more woke than Lewisham. Maybe we need to move there!
Bonkers talk about Brexit and a leak from Lab to Reform or somesuch.
Aside from some nebulous idea about "sovereignty", or the ability to eat bananas that look how we goddamn want, the major motivating force behind Brexit was immigration. Surely no one can dispute that.
And since Brexit, immigration has seen a huge increase. While I'm not 100% sure peoples' lives have improved demonstrably. I challenge people, even political sophisticates on here, to name me three sovereign measure that we have implemented now that we couldn't have in the EU (I happen to know one or two).
Which circles back to immigration. Brexit has failed on the one tangible measure that so many people voted for it to address.
People then worry about what voters might think of any party that doesn't continue it.
Madness.
Misleading, EU immigration to the UK has fallen sharply since free movement was ended.
Non EU immigration rose initially but Rishi and Cleverly cut it back with tighter visa and wage requirements for immigrants workers and their departments
Question - how can you say you "cut it [immigration] back" having presided over a vast increase in migration? "We cut taxes" you say as you increase taxes "We cut migration" you say as you increase migration "40 new hospitals" you say despite most not being new, or a hospital, or being scheduled this decade "20,000 new police officers" you say having cut numbers so drastically that the effects are palpable
I can only assume that you actually believe this stuff, because otherwise you're all just massive liars. SO the question is why you believe this stuff? This is just adding - how on earth can you believe that an increase is a cut?
You see that 6 point deficit to Reform? That it keeps getting bigger? That they're taking the votes and members and donors off you? Its because you lie and lie and lie and they're stupid lies we can all see are lies.
So why do it?
The Conservatives did cut EU immigration by ending free movement and Rishi ended non EU immigration too,
The Conservatives also cut inheritance tax, cut the additional rate of income tax and took the lowest earners out of income tax.
Latest seats forecast yesterday from a JL partners megapoll had Labour collapsing to just 200 seats, the Conservatives just 10 behind on 190 with Reform on 102 and the LDs 70
Brexit will one day be seen as a textbook case of technobro, neo-Darwinian, Ayn Rand-fan "smash everything up, set Mars [*] as the goal, and move fast, and we're gonna do grrreat"-ism, which couldn't get past the "smash everything up" stage because the technobro hard right, when it comes down to it, understands fuck all about politics, culture, or society. (Clue: none of these are like a startup.) But for some reason Powellites and fascists think they're really cool.
On bat tunnels, jumping spiders and European Union Law, there are two main pieces of UK legislation that govern the protection of species, The Wildlife and Countryside Act of 1981, and more importantly in a recent context (because we were still able to build things in the 80s and 90s), The Conservation of Habitats and Species Regulations of 2017.
Both were implemented in order to enshrine EU law, despite the fact that in 2017, we'd already voted to leave.
The Wildlife and Countryside Act of 1981 enshrined the Birds Directive and the Bern Convention into UK law. It was enacted primarily to implement these European Council Directives: 79/409/EEC on the conservation of wild birds and the Bern Convention, which focuses on the conservation of wild flora and fauna and their natural habitats in Europe.
The Conservation of Habitats and Species Regulations 2017 implements guidelines from the European Union's Habitats Directive (Council Directive 92/43/EEC) and the Wild Birds Directive (2009/147/EC) specifically within the UK context.
This regulation applies to anyone planning land or property development projects and requires compliance with strict parameters, such as conducting appropriate ecology surveys and obtaining a European Protected Species Licence (EPSL) when necessary.
It also mandates that any plan or project proposal affecting a European site must undergo a Habitats Regulations Assessment (HRA) to ensure it does not significantly harm the designated features of the site.
The regulation is enforced by various organisations including the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (DEFRA), Joint Nature Conservation Committee (JNCC), and Natural England, among others.
Hopefully this helps some PBers who have been in denial over this issue.
I did miss it on the previous thread and almost missed it here as well. If I had of done it would not have been intentional.
I appreciate the effort in you replying in detail. Most wouldn't.
a) As you point out we had left in 2017 so we are not implementing an EU law, but implementing our own law. Presumably because those in power (right or wrong) thought the EU law a good law to copy and implement. So this has nothing whatsoever to do with being in the EU. To argue otherwise is nut, because we didn't need to implement it and we did. Do we not implement laws that other countries have just because they have them? Really? I believe murder is against the law in most EU countries and it is against the law here as well. Shall we repeal it then because they have it? No of course not.
So we didn't have to implement it in 2017 and yet we did. So not a consequence of being in the EU then. It is not beyond us to implement bad laws (not that I know this is one) without having to blame the EU.
b) Now laws we implemented when we were in the EU (because I can't use the argument above on them) that you reference. Can you actually point out the 1981 EU wording and compare it to what we put into law and what you find reprehensible about it?
I'm sorry but as I pointed out before Boris tried this trick at the Treasury Select Committee and unfortunately for him when he quoted a bunch of these EU laws committee members were prepared for him and took him apart. A lot of it was on the rules on coffins I believe. This resulted in the famous quote which I can't be bothered to look up but paraphrasing:
'That is all very well Boris, but none of it is actually true is it'.
It is a committee meeting worth watching and is on the internet. Andrew Tyrie made the quote. Boris made a complete arse of himself on the very topic of us implementing EU laws.
We had voted to leave in 2016. We were still members of the EU until the 31st of January 2020. If you're arguing that the British state relished the gold-plating of EU law and always took a maximalist approach, I'd agree, but to claim that the adoption of this law, which was a requirement of member states, had nothing to do with the EU, as you have in bold, is simply absurd.
Thanks for that reply @Luckyguy1983. Good point, but it is not really absurd. We did not have to do it. Nobody was going to do anything about it if we didn't and why didn't we repeal it on leaving. I understand the irony of that point, as it is the one you are constantly making, but do you ever think why not? Why haven't we? Well because the vast majority of the EU laws, which make up only a very, very small percentage of our laws are sensible and ones we would implement ourselves independently.
Re gold plating - I agree.
Now come on, you have dealt with one of my points very well, so what about the rest? Answer them please.
Blaming the EU for £100m bat tunnel is a cop out. We have a whole host of idiots in the UK to blame for duff decisions and duff laws without having to blame French and German idiots. They were a convenient scapegoat while we were in the EU. Not anymore.
Have you seen Boris giving evidence to the committee? Not sure you would feel so confident in your position if you had. I highly recommend a viewing. Easy to find on the internet.
What on earth has Boris being caught with his rhetorical pants down (as you allege) got to do with the factual matters we're discussing? It may make you feel good, but it doesn't have any material bearing.
I am not 'blaming the EU' for the bat tunnel, but it is a fact that the bat tunnel was designed and built to comply with EU-devised species regulations of 2017 as enforced by Natural England. Yes, we could have done something else stupid if we didn't have those regulations, but we only got a vote to leave the EU, not to rid ourselves of all stupid people in authority.
Rather than rewatching Boris gotchas perhaps you should look into the very diligent and evidence-based work of the late Christopher Booker, who relentlessly catalogued how EU regulations were fucking up Britain (yes abetted by eager British agencies and politicians). Here’s a piece on disastrous flooding in Somerset, that was created as a result of a deliberate strategy of 'water storage' in flood plains, an implementation of the European Water Framework Directive. https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=541009169425834&vanity=EUWater&slug=a.418560901670662
Having read the Directive, I can tell you that droughts in the summer and floods in the winter are not bugs, they are features. The overall bias of the document is strongly to rely on 'water saving measures' rather than building new infrastructure - in other words, alarm people about climate change and convince them that water (of all the absurd notions in the UK) is scarce. Or the opposite, make dredging a near impossibility and blame the resulting floods on climate change.
The EU was not alone in pursuing this approach - it is a broad internationalist approach that is seen across Western nations and has prevailed until recently in the US too. But the EU was a major source of such laws, and leaving remains an opportunity to choose a different future for the UK - that of a prosperous well-run country not an impoverished mediaeval inspired shithole.
Thanks again @Luckyguy1983 for your reply. Appreciated.
Re the Boris committee event it has everything to do with what we are discussing. It is almost identical to what we are discussing and I suggest you watch it.
Boris was doing exactly what you are doing. Sadly for him the cross party committee member knew the laws and dismantled his claims comprehensively.
I can see we are now going to get into Climate Change and I know you aren't a believer in that either so I am not going to go down that line. I appreciate that you won't be convinced.
Half of Generation Z think that Britain is a racist country and only a tenth would risk their lives to defend it in a war, landmark research for The Times has shown:
Half of Generation Z think that Britain is a racist country and only a tenth would risk their lives to defend it in a war, landmark research for The Times has shown:
I can't find the actual survey/report, just the Times summary of, and reporting of, it. Has any kind person got a link to the survey/summary please?
Paywalls exist for a reason. Your consistent evasion of them, via links on here, is - quite seriously - inviting legal action against OGH and the site
@IanB2 lifts entire chunks of Andrew Rawnsley from the Guardian, but I guess that is forgiveable because Ian is a fool and the Guardian has no paywall, yet. The Times certainly does
It's odd that there has been no serious attempt at a take-down of archive.is, however hard it would be. I suppose newspapers can't agitate by writing stories about how awful it is because they don't want to tell their readers it exists.
(I share my mother's Times account. Am I going to Jail?)
Bonkers talk about Brexit and a leak from Lab to Reform or somesuch.
Aside from some nebulous idea about "sovereignty", or the ability to eat bananas that look how we goddamn want, the major motivating force behind Brexit was immigration. Surely no one can dispute that.
And since Brexit, immigration has seen a huge increase. While I'm not 100% sure peoples' lives have improved demonstrably. I challenge people, even political sophisticates on here, to name me three sovereign measure that we have implemented now that we couldn't have in the EU (I happen to know one or two).
Which circles back to immigration. Brexit has failed on the one tangible measure that so many people voted for it to address.
People then worry about what voters might think of any party that doesn't continue it.
Madness.
Misleading, EU immigration to the UK has fallen sharply since free movement was ended.
Non EU immigration rose initially but Rishi and Cleverly cut it back with tighter visa and wage requirements for immigrants workers and their departments
Question - how can you say you "cut it [immigration] back" having presided over a vast increase in migration? "We cut taxes" you say as you increase taxes "We cut migration" you say as you increase migration "40 new hospitals" you say despite most not being new, or a hospital, or being scheduled this decade "20,000 new police officers" you say having cut numbers so drastically that the effects are palpable
I can only assume that you actually believe this stuff, because otherwise you're all just massive liars. SO the question is why you believe this stuff? This is just adding - how on earth can you believe that an increase is a cut?
You see that 6 point deficit to Reform? That it keeps getting bigger? That they're taking the votes and members and donors off you? Its because you lie and lie and lie and they're stupid lies we can all see are lies.
So why do it?
The Conservatives did cut EU immigration by ending free movement and Rishi ended non EU immigration too,
The Conservatives also cut inheritance tax, cut the additional rate of income tax and took the lowest earners out of income tax.
Latest seats forecast yesterday from a JL partners megapoll had Labour collapsing to just 200 seats, the Conservatives just 10 behind on 190 with Reform on 102 and the LDs 70
Brexit will one day be seen as a textbook case of technobro, neo-Darwinian, Ayn Rand-fan "smash everything up, set Mars [*] as the goal, and move fast, and we're gonna do grrreat"-ism, which couldn't get past the "smash everything up" stage because the technobro hard right, when it comes down to it, understands fuck all about politics, culture, or society. (Clue: none of these are like a startup.) But for some reason Powellites and fascists think they're really cool.
This is what happens when you allow leftist ideology to capture educational institutions, brainwash a generation and teach them their country is evil.
They're not learning this in school.
Oh, they are.
They certainly are.
My kids go/went to school in ultra woke Lewisham and they're learning about the Blitz and the Tudors the same as everyone else. They are taught the national curriculum, which is not very woke. The idea that the state education sector is an incubator for the woke mind virus seems to be held in inverse proportion to people's actual experience of it.
I have kids at school now. Only on Friday we attended a school open day (we are looking at alternatives) where the Headmaster addressed the parents and prided himself that his school didn't teach an "anglocentric" view of the world and will focus on the "toxic legacy of colonialism".
This shit is everywhere, it's endemic, pernicious and extremely dangerous.
Hang on, it's only 1314 and you're getting excited. And I'm not talking about Bannockburn.
Do you wish we were talking about Bannockburn?
I remember there was this, er, "documentary" a number of years back that ended with the immortal words:
"In the Year of our Lord 1314, patriots of Scotland - starving and outnumbered - charged the fields of Bannockburn. They fought like warrior poets; they fought like Scotsmen, and won their freedom."
And for the "N"th time I have to ask: what does a warrior poet fight like? With quills? In iambic pentameter? What? How? Is parchment involved?
"Don't you see, Henry, the pen is mightier than the sword!"
This is what happens when you allow leftist ideology to capture educational institutions, brainwash a generation and teach them their country is evil.
They're not learning this in school.
Oh, they are.
They certainly are.
My kids go/went to school in ultra woke Lewisham and they're learning about the Blitz and the Tudors the same as everyone else. They are taught the national curriculum, which is not very woke. The idea that the state education sector is an incubator for the woke mind virus seems to be held in inverse proportion to people's actual experience of it.
I have kids at school now. Only on Friday we attended a school open day (we are looking at alternatives) where the Headmaster addressed the parents and prided himself that his school didn't teach an "anglocentric" view of the world and will focus on the "toxic legacy of colonialism".
This shit is everywhere, it's endemic, pernicious and extremely dangerous.
This is what happens when you allow leftist ideology to capture educational institutions, brainwash a generation and teach them their country is evil.
They're not learning this in school.
Oh, they are.
They certainly are.
My kids go/went to school in ultra woke Lewisham and they're learning about the Blitz and the Tudors the same as everyone else. They are taught the national curriculum, which is not very woke. The idea that the state education sector is an incubator for the woke mind virus seems to be held in inverse proportion to people's actual experience of it.
Woke = anything I don't like. Windows 11 is Woke.
Thats an unfair description. I think the danger (probably too strong a word) is that you start out trying to be nice to everyone, make people feel comfortable and happy and end up with someone with male genitalia who believes that they are a woman trying to get changed in a female changing room getting upset that other women object to them doing so.
The NHS case in Scotland? As my wife put it, the solution is changing cubicles. She hates open plan changing regardless of genitalia.
Hard to disagree - also no more women's and men's toilets - unisex is the way ahead. (Or the past - that was what I found in Auckland Uni in 1998...)
I was actually at said Uni in 1998 and have no recollection of unisex toilets.
"Albanian criminal’s deportation halted over son’s distaste for chicken nuggets Evidence about child’s picky eating helps convince immigration tribunal that being forced to leave UK would be unduly harsh"
Interesting angle on addressing the "insurance fear of safe batteries attached to an e-bicycle" problem.
(Which is becoming a problem I am told due to sweeping insurance rules, which are happy with similar batteries on other things, but not when it is attached to a bike. A disabled friend tells me he is getting gyp from employers at work with his e-tricycle. They are a Univsity.)
An interesting approach is from Arcc, who literally use the battery off a Bosch Professional Power tool.
Half of Generation Z think that Britain is a racist country and only a tenth would risk their lives to defend it in a war, landmark research for The Times has shown:
I wouldnt pay too much attention to this kind of polling. Were Britain actually attacked by some foreign power, I think the national mood would change entirely. Look at Ukraine where previously a lot of people were sympathetic to Russia, but the horrors of war have changed everything. Not everyone would be keen to fight/risk their lives, but it would be far more than 10% who would defend their families, homes etc.
Reading the article, their views are considerably more nuanced than the headlines suggest. The kids they interview seem more likely to reconsider their opinions than most PBers.
As far as the racism finding is concerned, I think this is fair comment. ..Sunder Katwala, director of the British Future think tank, who has studied changing attitudes towards racism in the UK, added that, unlike people like him who had grown up in a world where it was acceptable to throw bananas at black footballers, young people today had not experienced the huge progress that had been made in racial equality in the past 40 years...
Similarly, with the economy, they've seen things getting worse not better.
When your lived experience (no apologies for that phrase) as an adult extends to less than a decade, small wonder you can't take the detached perspective of a Big_G ... or even a Casino.
"Albanian criminal’s deportation halted over son’s distaste for chicken nuggets Evidence about child’s picky eating helps convince immigration tribunal that being forced to leave UK would be unduly harsh"
"Albanian criminal’s deportation halted over son’s distaste for chicken nuggets Evidence about child’s picky eating helps convince immigration tribunal that being forced to leave UK would be unduly harsh"
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https://findoutnow.co.uk/blog/scotland-polling-for-the-herald/
People then wonder why Reform are growing in polls
So now that we've established that you know the difference between truth and lies, why do you keep posting lies?
"we cut taxes"
"we reduced migration"
Both are demonstrably the opposite of what your government did. It's idiotic to keep posting this stuff.
When all my former school friends were busy signing up to join the Royal Navy and the RAF on the announcement of the invasion of the Falklands, I thought bollocks to that. It wasn't out of disdain for the country it was out of self preservation.
For example they would use fascist strategies to ensure transgender people got their full rights.
We live within 400 yards of the Irish Sea looking out onto a large windfarm and all our family love and respect the sea, and are so proud one of our sons is a qualified helm of the RNLI Llandudno ILB following in the family sea going footsteps
I can't find the actual survey/report, just the Times summary of, and reporting of, it. Has any kind person got a link to the survey/summary please?
Were Britain actually attacked by some foreign power, I think the national mood would change entirely. Look at Ukraine where previously a lot of people were sympathetic to Russia, but the horrors of war have changed everything. Not everyone would be keen to fight/risk their lives, but it would be far more than 10% who would defend their families, homes etc.
Mind you the SNP are on course to win Holyrood in 2026
They certainly are.
It's a generation that just isn't thinking.
https://x.com/trump_repost/status/1888777157264195687
For far too long the United States has minted pennies which literally cost us more than 2 cents. This is so wasteful! I have instructed my Secretary of the US Treasury to stop producing new pennies. Let's rip the waste out of our great nations budget, even if it's a penny at a time.
I didn't create them.
Where in Fife?
She was actually born on the West coast (so very wet), but grew up in Kirkcaldy. She was at school with Gordon Brown. Her sister was in the same year.
The idea that the state education sector is an incubator for the woke mind virus seems to be held in inverse proportion to people's actual experience of it.
It's a mixture of dogma, intolerance, and stubborn certitude - with an astonishing lack of self-reflection or perspective.
A generation that could swing in any direction and be just as intractable about it and not open to reason.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_and_Country_debate
They'd rather spend the money on the here and now/saving up for a deposit.
I suspect a good number of his supporters won't like it. Will think it is the end of the world.
And assuming stuff is priced there, like here, ending in .99 to make it look cheaper, there is likely to be a small inflationary hit (unless everything gets rounded down to .95 I suppose).
As for blaming teacher indoctrination, it's hard enough to indoctrinate them to put their blooming mobile phones in their bags.
Though we do need to restore tax allowance for marriage as well as building the new homes the government is proposing
What are they going to be fighting for? The right to get their jobs outsourced to China?
They are weird by the standards of earlier generations: they don't drink, they don't go out, they don't do drugs, they don't have sex, they are somewhat puritanical or "you can't do/say that". They are susceptible to online radicalisation and get angry at world events more than their predecessors, but without turning it into action. They are, for want of a better word, powerless: living with their parents far too long, enforced juvenalization into adulthood, playing videogames in their bedrooms in their parent's house when they should be married with kids in their own house.
The picture is different in the States I think, where young men are really right-wing.
If any of the above is wrong please say, as it is my best guess at best.
This shit is everywhere, it's endemic, pernicious and extremely dangerous.
I don't know how we bring house prices down without a horrible economic dislocation, but the status quo is horrible for society.
That's because your evidence is shite.
I'm complaining about it, just like as if you were to dump a turd on the doily in the tea table at the North British Hotel.
https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/1888937960361328988?s=61
If you eat pineapple on pizza, you deserve prison
https://x.com/dustinrhodes/status/1888707488582676738
Damn, AI makes this stuff easy...
I am not 'blaming the EU' for the bat tunnel, but it is a fact that the bat tunnel was designed and built to comply with EU-devised species regulations of 2017 as enforced by Natural England. Yes, we could have done something else stupid if we didn't have those regulations, but we only got a vote to leave the EU, not to rid ourselves of all stupid people in authority.
Rather than rewatching Boris gotchas perhaps you should look into the very diligent and evidence-based work of the late Christopher Booker, who relentlessly catalogued how EU regulations were fucking up Britain (yes abetted by eager British agencies and politicians). Here’s a piece on disastrous flooding in Somerset, that was created as a result of a deliberate strategy of 'water storage' in flood plains, an implementation of the European Water Framework Directive. https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=541009169425834&vanity=EUWater&slug=a.418560901670662
And also concerning the EU WFD, why not read up on what you have to do if you want to build some new water infrastructure, like a reservoir:
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/nationally-significant-infrastructure-projects-advice-on-the-water-framework-directive
Having read the Directive, I can tell you that droughts in the summer and floods in the winter are not bugs, they are features. The overall bias of the document is strongly to rely on 'water saving measures' rather than building new infrastructure - in other words, alarm people about climate change and convince them that water (of all the absurd notions in the UK) is scarce. Or the opposite, make dredging a near impossibility and blame the resulting floods on climate change.
The EU was not alone in pursuing this approach - it is a broad internationalist approach that is seen across Western nations and has prevailed until recently in the US too. But the EU was a major source of such laws, and leaving remains an opportunity to choose a different future for the UK - that of a prosperous well-run country not an impoverished mediaeval inspired shithole.
FWIW I don't want my kids' school to teach them that the British Empire was great or that it was evil. I'd like it to teach them the critical reasoning skills to understand both sides of the argument and come to their own conclusions.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy082dn7rkqo
Young men tend to take more traditional views of gender norms and a harder line on immigration than young women.
In the US last year too while Trump won 49% of men aged 18 to 29 he won just 38% of women aged 18-29.
https://edition.cnn.com/election/2024/exit-polls/national-results/general/president/0
Here under 30s of both genders are much less likely to consider Reform and the nationalist right but where they do the gender divide is still there. Reform won 14% of men aged 25-34 last year for instance but just 7% of women of that age group
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_Kingdom_general_election#Results
If Hawaiian pizza didn’t have an appealing taste then nobody would eat it. Pork and fruit is a common combination.
Real Italian gastronomes understand that cuisine is open source, food rules are stifling, and 99% of those so called rules were invented in the last few decades.
See French cuisine for an example of the stultifying effect of faux tradition.
My kids transferred from English to Scottish schools 4 years ago, and the difference in the syllabus was marked in things like history. In their case the "didn't teach the anglocentric view" is that England is not the United Kingdom and whole chunks of history are missed out or taught one-sided. Whole chunks of BRITISH history.
You can't accept that your hyperliberalism is having terrible effects, and you never will.
"In the Year of our Lord 1314, patriots of Scotland - starving and outnumbered - charged the fields of Bannockburn. They fought like warrior poets; they fought like Scotsmen, and won their freedom."
@IanB2 lifts entire chunks of Andrew Rawnsley from the Guardian, but I guess that is forgiveable because Ian is a fool and the Guardian has no paywall, yet. The Times certainly does
The whole generation thing (another import from America by journalists too time-pressed to think) is hugely complicated by changing demographics. These people who would or would not fight for Britain, is that against France or against the country of their grandparents? The ones more or less keen on sex, are they perhaps more likely to be following Islamic or even Catholic mores? And so on.
Evidence about child’s picky eating helps convince immigration tribunal that being forced to leave UK would be unduly harsh"
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/02/09/albanian-criminal-deportation-halted-over-chicken-nuggets/
* Or a lunar base if you are Dominic Cummings.
Re the Boris committee event it has everything to do with what we are discussing. It is almost identical to what we are discussing and I suggest you watch it.
Boris was doing exactly what you are doing. Sadly for him the cross party committee member knew the laws and dismantled his claims comprehensively.
I can see we are now going to get into Climate Change and I know you aren't a believer in that either so I am not going to go down that line. I appreciate that you won't be convinced.
https://www.chronicle.com/article/is-this-the-end-of-reading
(I share my mother's Times account. Am I going to Jail?)
(Which is becoming a problem I am told due to sweeping insurance rules, which are happy with similar batteries on other things, but not when it is attached to a bike. A disabled friend tells me he is getting gyp from employers at work with his e-tricycle. They are a Univsity.)
An interesting approach is from Arcc, who literally use the battery off a Bosch Professional Power tool.
https://arccbikes.com/learn-more/
A position statement from Wheels for Wellbeing, who are one of only a couple of organisations chipping away at this:
https://wheelsforwellbeing.org.uk/wheels-for-wellbeing-position-statement-on-statutory-guidelines-on-lithium-ion-battery-safety-for-e-bikes/
My photo quota of one of these Arcc cycles, This is a Moulton, which are notably comfortable.
As far as the racism finding is concerned, I think this is fair comment.
..Sunder Katwala, director of the British Future think tank, who has studied changing attitudes towards racism in the UK, added that, unlike people like him who had grown up in a world where it was acceptable to throw bananas at black footballers, young people today had not experienced the huge progress that had been made in racial equality in the past 40 years...
Similarly, with the economy, they've seen things getting worse not better.
When your lived experience (no apologies for that phrase) as an adult extends to less than a decade, small wonder you can't take the detached perspective of a Big_G ... or even a Casino.
https://on.ft.com/4hQ18Bs
(Or perhaps it's horseshit.)