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  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,436
    So @Theuniondivvie, in seeking to embarrass others, has inadvertently soiled himself by believing obvious race-baiting on TwiX

    Oh dear
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,468
    edited February 6
    Bank of England cut rate to 4.5%

    Growth forecast halved from 1.5 to .75
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,829
    edited February 6
    Two members (Swati Dhingra and Catherine L Mann) voted against the proposition, preferring to reduce Bank Rate by 0.5 percentage points, to 4.25%.

    Everyone thought she was going to be the single vote to hold rates !!

    Sterling's dropped half a penny against the € on that - quite unexpectedly dovish vote.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,216
    tlg86 said:

    Grrr the Bank of England have cut interest rates.

    Will this news be welcomed by the government? (as in, will someone, possibly Reeves, say "we welcome this rate cut, blah, blah, blah".
    She'll be gutted it isn't 0.5% i suspect.

  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 29,999

    ....

    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    Good job no one speculated on the ethnicity of the Swedish shooter. No one did, right?

    https://x.com/adamemedia/status/1887240710757490999?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    No, no one did

    That must annoy you
    At least two people on PB did.

    Leon said:

    Good job no one speculated on the ethnicity of the Swedish shooter. No one did, right?

    https://x.com/adamemedia/status/1887240710757490999?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    No, no one did

    That must annoy you
    Andy_JS did.

    We shouldn't speculate but what are the chances it was someone who'd been told to leave the country.

    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/5109561/#Comment_5109561
    I believe the two likes Leon spuriously received for his post should removed by the embarrassed likers.
    It’s a work of art, saying we shouldn’t speculate then going onto speculate, like Blair’s "A day like today is not a day for soundbites, we can leave those at home, but I feel the hand of history upon our shoulder with respect to this, I really do".
    Has anyone seen @AndyJS and Blair in the same room?
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,384

    tlg86 said:

    Grrr the Bank of England have cut interest rates.

    Will this news be welcomed by the government? (as in, will someone, possibly Reeves, say "we welcome this rate cut, blah, blah, blah".
    She'll be gutted it isn't 0.5% i suspect.

    It's why we're in such a mess. A government that is "going for growth" is happy with downgraded growth forecasts as it means cheaper credit.
  • kamskikamski Posts: 5,816
    Leon said:

    kamski said:

    Good job no one speculated on the ethnicity of the Swedish shooter. No one did, right?

    https://x.com/adamemedia/status/1887240710757490999?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q


    OK I followed your link, and as it's X it is of course bollocks.

    Here's the BBC article:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crm71dmkjjyo

    The picture caption says

    "Ismail Moradi told the BBC he fears there was a racial element to the shooting"

    Can we just ban twitter from PB.com? it would reduce all the stupid misinformation that's posted here every day

    Here's the same bollocks from that lying shit MacaesBruno


    https://x.com/MacaesBruno/status/1887363904080138266/photo/1

    Note how he has clipped the picture to omit the picture caption, and doesn't include any of the actual article.
    Tut tut @Theuniondivvie
    The BBC article does seem to contain purely speculative bollocks, so should be criticised. But not for the reasons given by those twitterers. I've no idea who adamemedia is, but Bruno Maçães has a history of spreading misinformation.

    And in his book The Dawn of Eurasia he heaps praise on ultra-nationalist Turkish politician Doğu Perinçek, who denies the Armenian holocaust, and supports Erdoğan and Putin.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 25,220
    edited February 6
    Quite an interesting extended interview by the Black Belt Barrister Daniel Shensmith, with Rupert Lowe MP.

    I'm not a fan, but I've not heard him with space to speak before. 40 minutes. To my ear, he's crazily starry-eyed about Trump, and does not really know what a Thatcherite is.

    I'm suggesting 25-35% Shensmith will be a Reform candidate.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3lJiIs55lY

    Clearly, the most effective way to deal with Reform remains for Mr Starmer's Gpvt to succeed.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,436
    edited February 6
    kamski said:

    Leon said:

    kamski said:

    Good job no one speculated on the ethnicity of the Swedish shooter. No one did, right?

    https://x.com/adamemedia/status/1887240710757490999?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q


    OK I followed your link, and as it's X it is of course bollocks.

    Here's the BBC article:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crm71dmkjjyo

    The picture caption says

    "Ismail Moradi told the BBC he fears there was a racial element to the shooting"

    Can we just ban twitter from PB.com? it would reduce all the stupid misinformation that's posted here every day

    Here's the same bollocks from that lying shit MacaesBruno


    https://x.com/MacaesBruno/status/1887363904080138266/photo/1

    Note how he has clipped the picture to omit the picture caption, and doesn't include any of the actual article.
    Tut tut @Theuniondivvie
    The BBC article does seem to contain purely speculative bollocks, so should be criticised. But not for the reasons given by those twitterers. I've no idea who adamemedia is, but Bruno Maçães has a history of spreading misinformation.

    And in his book The Dawn of Eurasia he heaps praise on ultra-nationalist Turkish politician Doğu Perinçek, who denies the Armenian holocaust, and supports Erdoğan and Putin.
    They deliberately clipped the screenshot to do some race-baiting, is all. And @Theuniondivvie fell for it, hook line and sporran. Because he WANTED to believe it
  • kamskikamski Posts: 5,816
    tlg86 said:

    ....

    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    Good job no one speculated on the ethnicity of the Swedish shooter. No one did, right?

    https://x.com/adamemedia/status/1887240710757490999?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    No, no one did

    That must annoy you
    At least two people on PB did.

    Leon said:

    Good job no one speculated on the ethnicity of the Swedish shooter. No one did, right?

    https://x.com/adamemedia/status/1887240710757490999?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    No, no one did

    That must annoy you
    Andy_JS did.

    We shouldn't speculate but what are the chances it was someone who'd been told to leave the country.

    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/5109561/#Comment_5109561
    I believe the two likes Leon spuriously received for his post should removed by the embarrassed likers.
    If it makes you feel better, my guess was white guy as it was at an educational setting. EDIT: and with a gun.
    because -- white people hate education?

    could be true: weren't Pink Floyd 'hideously white'?
  • kamskikamski Posts: 5,816
    Eabhal said:

    ....

    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    Good job no one speculated on the ethnicity of the Swedish shooter. No one did, right?

    https://x.com/adamemedia/status/1887240710757490999?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    No, no one did

    That must annoy you
    At least two people on PB did.

    Leon said:

    Good job no one speculated on the ethnicity of the Swedish shooter. No one did, right?

    https://x.com/adamemedia/status/1887240710757490999?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    No, no one did

    That must annoy you
    Andy_JS did.

    We shouldn't speculate but what are the chances it was someone who'd been told to leave the country.

    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/5109561/#Comment_5109561
    I believe the two likes Leon spuriously received for his post should removed by the embarrassed likers.
    Fight fire with fire - my Swedish taxi driver told me the guy deliberately targeted that school because it was used by young immigrants to get Swedish qualifications.
    kinda still the fault of the immigrants tho, isn't it? IF TRUE
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,914
    BoE cuts growth forecast to 0.75%
    (I presume this is actually negative on a per head basis).
    National Insurance rise will cut jobs and increase inflation more than first projected.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,436

    Bank of England cut rate to 4.5%

    Growth forecast halved from 1.5 to .75

    That’s within the MoE of a year without growth. Total stagnancy

    This government likely won’t recover from this disastrous beginning. Still, great time to give Mauritius £18bn, eh?
  • sladeslade Posts: 2,114

    Good morning everybody.

    Been wondering about the LibDems for ages, because when I was involved with the old Liberal Party, back in the 70's and early 80's there were charismatic leaders.... Grimond, Thorpe ..... and to a lesser extent Steel, but we didn't get very far. And the LibDems had similar in Ashdown and Kennedy. One could, perhaps, compare Clegg with Steel, although I don't think Steel would have fallen for Cameron's tricks the way Clegg did.
    Davey's not, to my mind cast in the Grimond, Thorpe, Ashdown, Kennedy mould and I suggest that before too long he should step aside, if, and it's quite a big if, there's a potential 'big beast' in the new intake.
    I did wonder about Layla Moran, but doesn't look like she will.

    At the time of the GE I suggested Mike Martin and Chris Coughlan based on their backgrounds. Having had some time to watch parliamentary performances I would add Callum Miller and Monica Harding as ones to watch.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,436
    Who had all this on their bingo card?

    Stamer? - worst government ever

    Trump? - best president ever

    I mean, I feared Labour would disappoint and I wondered if Trump might surprise upside just because the bar was so low, but still…
  • kamskikamski Posts: 5,816
    edited February 6
    Leon said:

    kamski said:

    Leon said:

    kamski said:

    Good job no one speculated on the ethnicity of the Swedish shooter. No one did, right?

    https://x.com/adamemedia/status/1887240710757490999?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q


    OK I followed your link, and as it's X it is of course bollocks.

    Here's the BBC article:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crm71dmkjjyo

    The picture caption says

    "Ismail Moradi told the BBC he fears there was a racial element to the shooting"

    Can we just ban twitter from PB.com? it would reduce all the stupid misinformation that's posted here every day

    Here's the same bollocks from that lying shit MacaesBruno


    https://x.com/MacaesBruno/status/1887363904080138266/photo/1

    Note how he has clipped the picture to omit the picture caption, and doesn't include any of the actual article.
    Tut tut @Theuniondivvie
    The BBC article does seem to contain purely speculative bollocks, so should be criticised. But not for the reasons given by those twitterers. I've no idea who adamemedia is, but Bruno Maçães has a history of spreading misinformation.

    And in his book The Dawn of Eurasia he heaps praise on ultra-nationalist Turkish politician Doğu Perinçek, who denies the Armenian holocaust, and supports Erdoğan and Putin.
    They deliberately clipped the screenshot to do some race-baiting, is all. And @Theuniondivvie fell for it, hook line and sporran. Because he WANTED to believe it
    amazing how that keeps happening with some people and Twixter, isn't it?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,021
    edited February 6

    Bank of England cut rate to 4.5%

    Growth forecast halved from 1.5 to .75

    Surprised it’s only a quarter-point cut given the revised growth forecast.

    The next year is going to be pretty tricky economically.
  • kamskikamski Posts: 5,816
    Leon said:

    kamski said:

    Leon said:

    kamski said:

    Good job no one speculated on the ethnicity of the Swedish shooter. No one did, right?

    https://x.com/adamemedia/status/1887240710757490999?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q


    OK I followed your link, and as it's X it is of course bollocks.

    Here's the BBC article:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crm71dmkjjyo

    The picture caption says

    "Ismail Moradi told the BBC he fears there was a racial element to the shooting"

    Can we just ban twitter from PB.com? it would reduce all the stupid misinformation that's posted here every day

    Here's the same bollocks from that lying shit MacaesBruno


    https://x.com/MacaesBruno/status/1887363904080138266/photo/1

    Note how he has clipped the picture to omit the picture caption, and doesn't include any of the actual article.
    Tut tut @Theuniondivvie
    The BBC article does seem to contain purely speculative bollocks, so should be criticised. But not for the reasons given by those twitterers. I've no idea who adamemedia is, but Bruno Maçães has a history of spreading misinformation.

    And in his book The Dawn of Eurasia he heaps praise on ultra-nationalist Turkish politician Doğu Perinçek, who denies the Armenian holocaust, and supports Erdoğan and Putin.
    They deliberately clipped the screenshot to do some race-baiting, is all. And @Theuniondivvie fell for it, hook line and sporran. Because he WANTED to believe it
    sorry, didn't want to hurt you feelings by criticising a fellow Putin-lover
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,468
    edited February 6

    BoE cuts growth forecast to 0.75%
    (I presume this is actually negative on a per head basis).
    National Insurance rise will cut jobs and increase inflation more than first projected.

    I expect the increase in the NLW together with above inflation pay rises are likely to restrict further interest rate reductions

    Indeed Ed Conwy was indicating fewer reductions are almost inevitable

    Bank of England conference live just now

    'Expects inflation to rise to 3.7% before returning to 2% target'
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,436
    kamski said:

    Leon said:

    kamski said:

    Leon said:

    kamski said:

    Good job no one speculated on the ethnicity of the Swedish shooter. No one did, right?

    https://x.com/adamemedia/status/1887240710757490999?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q


    OK I followed your link, and as it's X it is of course bollocks.

    Here's the BBC article:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crm71dmkjjyo

    The picture caption says

    "Ismail Moradi told the BBC he fears there was a racial element to the shooting"

    Can we just ban twitter from PB.com? it would reduce all the stupid misinformation that's posted here every day

    Here's the same bollocks from that lying shit MacaesBruno


    https://x.com/MacaesBruno/status/1887363904080138266/photo/1

    Note how he has clipped the picture to omit the picture caption, and doesn't include any of the actual article.
    Tut tut @Theuniondivvie
    The BBC article does seem to contain purely speculative bollocks, so should be criticised. But not for the reasons given by those twitterers. I've no idea who adamemedia is, but Bruno Maçães has a history of spreading misinformation.

    And in his book The Dawn of Eurasia he heaps praise on ultra-nationalist Turkish politician Doğu Perinçek, who denies the Armenian holocaust, and supports Erdoğan and Putin.
    They deliberately clipped the screenshot to do some race-baiting, is all. And @Theuniondivvie fell for it, hook line and sporran. Because he WANTED to believe it
    amazing how that keeps happening with some people and Twixter, isn't it?
    It’s a shame that Bruno Maceas has turned into a nutter. I’m not sure what did it, maybe Gaza, maybe something else. He used to be good value, During Brexit he was one of the few journalists willing to be equally critical of London and Brussels

    As for TwiX do you think misinfo happens because of Musk? Noooo. It happens because TwiX is where shit happens

    If Bluesky ever reaches 250m users and global salience then it too will be full of shit, and it will struggle to moderate it. It’s the nature of the beast

    On the upside, the world may be coming to an end but I am nearly through the worst of my Tramadol withdrawal so it’s not all bad
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,214
    slade said:

    Good morning everybody.

    Been wondering about the LibDems for ages, because when I was involved with the old Liberal Party, back in the 70's and early 80's there were charismatic leaders.... Grimond, Thorpe ..... and to a lesser extent Steel, but we didn't get very far. And the LibDems had similar in Ashdown and Kennedy. One could, perhaps, compare Clegg with Steel, although I don't think Steel would have fallen for Cameron's tricks the way Clegg did.
    Davey's not, to my mind cast in the Grimond, Thorpe, Ashdown, Kennedy mould and I suggest that before too long he should step aside, if, and it's quite a big if, there's a potential 'big beast' in the new intake.
    I did wonder about Layla Moran, but doesn't look like she will.

    At the time of the GE I suggested Mike Martin and Chris Coughlan based on their backgrounds. Having had some time to watch parliamentary performances I would add Callum Miller and Monica Harding as ones to watch.
    I voted for Chris Coghlan in the selection for Mole Valley. I did so even though the previous candidate who Chris stood against was a friend, because I was so impressed with Chris (He is like a young Ashdown clone). His maiden speech was also very very moving (I would suggest people watch it). And once he gets over those initial nerves I think he will be very impressive.

    PS I am now in Guildford having been moved from Mole Valley by boundary changes.
  • RattersRatters Posts: 1,183
    edited February 6
    Sandpit said:

    Bank of England cut rate to 4.5%

    Growth forecast halved from 1.5 to .75

    Surprised it’s only a quarter-point cut given the revised growth forecast.

    The next year is going to be pretty tricky economically.
    We currently seem to be setting interest rates like we're the US whilst growing like we're the EU.

    The Eurozone base rate is 1.75% lower than ours...
  • MattWMattW Posts: 25,220
    edited February 6
    Leon said:

    kamski said:

    Leon said:

    kamski said:

    Leon said:

    kamski said:

    Good job no one speculated on the ethnicity of the Swedish shooter. No one did, right?

    https://x.com/adamemedia/status/1887240710757490999?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q


    OK I followed your link, and as it's X it is of course bollocks.

    Here's the BBC article:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crm71dmkjjyo

    The picture caption says

    "Ismail Moradi told the BBC he fears there was a racial element to the shooting"

    Can we just ban twitter from PB.com? it would reduce all the stupid misinformation that's posted here every day

    Here's the same bollocks from that lying shit MacaesBruno


    https://x.com/MacaesBruno/status/1887363904080138266/photo/1

    Note how he has clipped the picture to omit the picture caption, and doesn't include any of the actual article.
    Tut tut @Theuniondivvie
    The BBC article does seem to contain purely speculative bollocks, so should be criticised. But not for the reasons given by those twitterers. I've no idea who adamemedia is, but Bruno Maçães has a history of spreading misinformation.

    And in his book The Dawn of Eurasia he heaps praise on ultra-nationalist Turkish politician Doğu Perinçek, who denies the Armenian holocaust, and supports Erdoğan and Putin.
    They deliberately clipped the screenshot to do some race-baiting, is all. And @Theuniondivvie fell for it, hook line and sporran. Because he WANTED to believe it
    amazing how that keeps happening with some people and Twixter, isn't it?
    It’s a shame that Bruno Maceas has turned into a nutter. I’m not sure what did it, maybe Gaza, maybe something else. He used to be good value, During Brexit he was one of the few journalists willing to be equally critical of London and Brussels

    As for TwiX do you think misinfo happens because of Musk? Noooo. It happens because TwiX is where shit happens

    If Bluesky ever reaches 250m users and global salience then it too will be full of shit, and it will struggle to moderate it. It’s the nature of the beast

    On the upside, the world may be coming to an end but I am nearly through the worst of my Tramadol withdrawal so it’s not all bad
    I'll put a prediction in - Bluesky 250 million users during the second half of 2026, and it won't be full of shit.

    Assuming nothing dramatic happens to Musk, such as a long prison sentence on a State crime.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,436
    Pulpstar said:

    Leon said:

    Bank of England cut rate to 4.5%

    Growth forecast halved from 1.5 to .75

    That’s within the MoE of a year without growth. Total stagnancy

    This government likely won’t recover from this disastrous beginning. Still, great time to give Mauritius £18bn, eh?
    Come on, how will Starmer be able to show his face at Matrix Chambers to sue the UK for god knows what after he's booted out if he doesn't acquiesce with the right sort of opinions regarding ICJ rulings ?
    Think of how awkward the dinner parties with Sands and his friends will be.
    Isn't £18 Bn a mere pittance to save Starmer from personal embarrassment ?!
    I don’t believe the Chagos deal with go through now. It is so absurdly high profile and it could doom the government by itself

    People have no clue where these islands are, they mostly couldnt give a fuck, but EIGHTEEN BILLION QUID

    There is no way you can spin that

    There’s a very amusing TwiX thread saying “it’s like seeing a nice table in IKEA for sale for £175,000 and you go the till presuming it’s £175 because…. Surely not….”
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 43,911
    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Grrr the Bank of England have cut interest rates.

    Will this news be welcomed by the government? (as in, will someone, possibly Reeves, say "we welcome this rate cut, blah, blah, blah".
    She'll be gutted it isn't 0.5% i suspect.

    It's why we're in such a mess. A government that is "going for growth" is happy with downgraded growth forecasts as it means cheaper credit.
    I doubt they are suppressing growth in order to bring interest rates down. It's more of a cloud and silver lining thing.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,775
    kamski said:

    Leon said:

    kamski said:

    Good job no one speculated on the ethnicity of the Swedish shooter. No one did, right?

    https://x.com/adamemedia/status/1887240710757490999?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q


    OK I followed your link, and as it's X it is of course bollocks.

    Here's the BBC article:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crm71dmkjjyo

    The picture caption says

    "Ismail Moradi told the BBC he fears there was a racial element to the shooting"

    Can we just ban twitter from PB.com? it would reduce all the stupid misinformation that's posted here every day

    Here's the same bollocks from that lying shit MacaesBruno


    https://x.com/MacaesBruno/status/1887363904080138266/photo/1

    Note how he has clipped the picture to omit the picture caption, and doesn't include any of the actual article.
    Tut tut @Theuniondivvie
    The BBC article does seem to contain purely speculative bollocks, so should be criticised. But not for the reasons given by those twitterers. I've no idea who adamemedia is, but Bruno Maçães has a history of spreading misinformation.

    And in his book The Dawn of Eurasia he heaps praise on ultra-nationalist Turkish politician Doğu Perinçek, who denies the Armenian holocaust, and supports Erdoğan and Putin.
    As I read it the criticism was for using that picture at the top of the story. It’s commonly known (even or especially by Speccie reptiles) that a lot of people don’t look past a headline and a pic.
  • glwglw Posts: 10,169
    I see that Trump has already undermined the "temporary" propaganda from his spokesidiot yesterday, and makes clear that the Palestinians in Gaza won't be coming back if they leave.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 74,117
    kenObi said:

    Nigelb said:

    kenObi said:

    HYUFD said:

    Starmer to make it easier to build nuclear reactors

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c805mjxe2y9o

    Does anyone think they will be viable ?

    Are they cheaper on a per MW basis than traditional large scale nuclear ?..
    Very likely cheaper than our large scale nuclear - and it would be a lot quicker and less costly to find out.
    Any evidence that they would be cheaper (or much quicker for that matter) ?

    I would love nuclear to be viable & I get the argument that if you mass produce SMR's that in theory the cost could reduce significantly.

    Nuclear just seems a dead end for other than some base load at high, high prices.

    If SMR's were the future, why isn't Musk or China whacking them out ?
    Much cheaper per unit, of course - which is why a pilot plant or two would be massively cheaper (in absolute terms) and quicker, than building another Hinckley.

    And our current nuclear is the most expensive in the world.
  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,338
    Sandpit said:

    Bank of England cut rate to 4.5%

    Growth forecast halved from 1.5 to .75

    Surprised it’s only a quarter-point cut given the revised growth forecast.

    The next year is going to be pretty tricky economically.
    Every year will be tricky (or outright disastrous) economically until we get a government that doesn't just gaslight about being pro-growth but acts like it.

    So 2029 at the earliest.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,214
    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    Good job no one speculated on the ethnicity of the Swedish shooter. No one did, right?

    https://x.com/adamemedia/status/1887240710757490999?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    No, no one did

    That must annoy you
    At least two people on PB did.
    Oh come on, you really aren't expecting any post by @leon to be accurate in any way are you?
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,534
    Ratters said:

    Sandpit said:

    Bank of England cut rate to 4.5%

    Growth forecast halved from 1.5 to .75

    Surprised it’s only a quarter-point cut given the revised growth forecast.

    The next year is going to be pretty tricky economically.
    We currently seem to be setting interest rates like we're the US whilst growing like we're the EU.

    The Eurozone base rate is 1.75% lower than ours...
    Inflation is going to rise this year, we can't but rates as much as that because the government fucked it.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,775
    glw said:

    I see that Trump has already undermined the "temporary" propaganda from his spokesidiot yesterday, and makes clear that the Palestinians in Gaza won't be coming back if they leave.

    Any guesses on the first resignation/firing from the Trump public facing operation? As I recall there was a pretty high turnover the first time round.
  • MJWMJW Posts: 1,958
    Leon said:

    kamski said:

    Leon said:

    kamski said:

    Leon said:

    kamski said:

    Good job no one speculated on the ethnicity of the Swedish shooter. No one did, right?

    https://x.com/adamemedia/status/1887240710757490999?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q


    OK I followed your link, and as it's X it is of course bollocks.

    Here's the BBC article:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crm71dmkjjyo

    The picture caption says

    "Ismail Moradi told the BBC he fears there was a racial element to the shooting"

    Can we just ban twitter from PB.com? it would reduce all the stupid misinformation that's posted here every day

    Here's the same bollocks from that lying shit MacaesBruno


    https://x.com/MacaesBruno/status/1887363904080138266/photo/1

    Note how he has clipped the picture to omit the picture caption, and doesn't include any of the actual article.
    Tut tut @Theuniondivvie
    The BBC article does seem to contain purely speculative bollocks, so should be criticised. But not for the reasons given by those twitterers. I've no idea who adamemedia is, but Bruno Maçães has a history of spreading misinformation.

    And in his book The Dawn of Eurasia he heaps praise on ultra-nationalist Turkish politician Doğu Perinçek, who denies the Armenian holocaust, and supports Erdoğan and Putin.
    They deliberately clipped the screenshot to do some race-baiting, is all. And @Theuniondivvie fell for it, hook line and sporran. Because he WANTED to believe it
    amazing how that keeps happening with some people and Twixter, isn't it?
    It’s a shame that Bruno Maceas has turned into a nutter. I’m not sure what did it, maybe Gaza, maybe something else. He used to be good value, During Brexit he was one of the few journalists willing to be equally critical of London and Brussels

    As for TwiX do you think misinfo happens because of Musk? Noooo. It happens because TwiX is where shit happens

    If Bluesky ever reaches 250m users and global salience then it too will be full of shit, and it will struggle to moderate it. It’s the nature of the beast

    On the upside, the world may be coming to an end but I am nearly through the worst of my Tramadol withdrawal so it’s not all bad
    Of course misinformation will happen on any platform that reaches a certain size. The problem on TwiX is that the owner deliberately promotes it all the time - whether personally by sharing fake stories, or by shoving bullshit into your feed via the algorithm. It's become basically unusable as a gague of opinion or discussion, or even a pleasant place to look at for a bit of a laugh. It's just become another shitty part of the internet. 4chan for cowards.

    The equivalent would be if Owen Jones, George Galloway, Corbyn and that woman who charges rich white people $2,000 to call them racist owned BlueSky and decided to push everything that accorded with some of their more objectionable views.

    Ultimately that will probably become more of a problem for the right than the left (especially in the UK due to its American focus), as Twitter's much less drastic left lean ended up being for the left when it deluded activists that they'd won arguments because they got thousands of likes from people agreeing with them, but had put off and shut up those who didn't.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 74,117
    Top Dem on the House Intel Committee Jim Himes says in a statement that he understands that the White House “insisted” on the CIA transmitting the list (of agents) in an unclassified email
    https://x.com/hugolowell/status/1887258913118265821
  • MattWMattW Posts: 25,220
    edited February 6
    kjh said:

    slade said:

    Good morning everybody.

    Been wondering about the LibDems for ages, because when I was involved with the old Liberal Party, back in the 70's and early 80's there were charismatic leaders.... Grimond, Thorpe ..... and to a lesser extent Steel, but we didn't get very far. And the LibDems had similar in Ashdown and Kennedy. One could, perhaps, compare Clegg with Steel, although I don't think Steel would have fallen for Cameron's tricks the way Clegg did.
    Davey's not, to my mind cast in the Grimond, Thorpe, Ashdown, Kennedy mould and I suggest that before too long he should step aside, if, and it's quite a big if, there's a potential 'big beast' in the new intake.
    I did wonder about Layla Moran, but doesn't look like she will.

    At the time of the GE I suggested Mike Martin and Chris Coughlan based on their backgrounds. Having had some time to watch parliamentary performances I would add Callum Miller and Monica Harding as ones to watch.
    I voted for Chris Coghlan in the selection for Mole Valley. I did so even though the previous candidate who Chris stood against was a friend, because I was so impressed with Chris (He is like a young Ashdown clone). His maiden speech was also very very moving (I would suggest people watch it). And once he gets over those initial nerves I think he will be very impressive.

    PS I am now in Guildford having been moved from Mole Valley by boundary changes.
    Text: https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2024-09-02/debates/721F0511-796C-49C4-A4FF-E0528E6419C6/TechnologyInPublicServices#contribution-0AC81360-BEE7-4F65-B4FE-0B5260130B61

    (This page links to a spreadsheet with Hansard urls for 5000 maiden speeches since 1918.
    https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn04588/ )
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,436
    kjh said:

    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    Good job no one speculated on the ethnicity of the Swedish shooter. No one did, right?

    https://x.com/adamemedia/status/1887240710757490999?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    No, no one did

    That must annoy you
    At least two people on PB did.
    Oh come on, you really aren't expecting any post by @leon to be accurate in any way are you?
    Are you literally denying that I am almost through the worst of my Tramadol withdrawal?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 29,999
    edited February 6
    tlg86 said:

    ....

    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    Good job no one speculated on the ethnicity of the Swedish shooter. No one did, right?

    https://x.com/adamemedia/status/1887240710757490999?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    No, no one did

    That must annoy you
    At least two people on PB did.

    Leon said:

    Good job no one speculated on the ethnicity of the Swedish shooter. No one did, right?

    https://x.com/adamemedia/status/1887240710757490999?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    No, no one did

    That must annoy you
    Andy_JS did.

    We shouldn't speculate but what are the chances it was someone who'd been told to leave the country.

    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/5109561/#Comment_5109561
    I believe the two likes Leon spuriously received for his post should removed by the embarrassed likers.
    If it makes you feel better, my guess was white guy as it was at an educational setting. EDIT: and with a gun.
    Tbh does the creed or colour of a madman really matter?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,436
    MJW said:

    Leon said:

    kamski said:

    Leon said:

    kamski said:

    Leon said:

    kamski said:

    Good job no one speculated on the ethnicity of the Swedish shooter. No one did, right?

    https://x.com/adamemedia/status/1887240710757490999?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q


    OK I followed your link, and as it's X it is of course bollocks.

    Here's the BBC article:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crm71dmkjjyo

    The picture caption says

    "Ismail Moradi told the BBC he fears there was a racial element to the shooting"

    Can we just ban twitter from PB.com? it would reduce all the stupid misinformation that's posted here every day

    Here's the same bollocks from that lying shit MacaesBruno


    https://x.com/MacaesBruno/status/1887363904080138266/photo/1

    Note how he has clipped the picture to omit the picture caption, and doesn't include any of the actual article.
    Tut tut @Theuniondivvie
    The BBC article does seem to contain purely speculative bollocks, so should be criticised. But not for the reasons given by those twitterers. I've no idea who adamemedia is, but Bruno Maçães has a history of spreading misinformation.

    And in his book The Dawn of Eurasia he heaps praise on ultra-nationalist Turkish politician Doğu Perinçek, who denies the Armenian holocaust, and supports Erdoğan and Putin.
    They deliberately clipped the screenshot to do some race-baiting, is all. And @Theuniondivvie fell for it, hook line and sporran. Because he WANTED to believe it
    amazing how that keeps happening with some people and Twixter, isn't it?
    It’s a shame that Bruno Maceas has turned into a nutter. I’m not sure what did it, maybe Gaza, maybe something else. He used to be good value, During Brexit he was one of the few journalists willing to be equally critical of London and Brussels

    As for TwiX do you think misinfo happens because of Musk? Noooo. It happens because TwiX is where shit happens

    If Bluesky ever reaches 250m users and global salience then it too will be full of shit, and it will struggle to moderate it. It’s the nature of the beast

    On the upside, the world may be coming to an end but I am nearly through the worst of my Tramadol withdrawal so it’s not all bad
    Of course misinformation will happen on any platform that reaches a certain size. The problem on TwiX is that the owner deliberately promotes it all the time - whether personally by sharing fake stories, or by shoving bullshit into your feed via the algorithm. It's become basically unusable as a gague of opinion or discussion, or even a pleasant place to look at for a bit of a laugh. It's just become another shitty part of the internet. 4chan for cowards.

    The equivalent would be if Owen Jones, George Galloway, Corbyn and that woman who charges rich white people $2,000 to call them racist owned BlueSky and decided to push everything that accorded with some of their more objectionable views.

    Ultimately that will probably become more of a problem for the right than the left (especially in the UK due to its American focus), as Twitter's much less drastic left lean ended up being for the left when it deluded activists that they'd won arguments because they got thousands of likes from people agreeing with them, but had put off and shut up those who didn't.

    I take it you haven’t been to Bluesky then? If you want to see people trapped in a bubble, that’s where they are, and they are oblivious to the real world. And it’s a lefty bubble

    This will be far worse for them than TwiX is for the right

    Twats like @MattW hang out there and congratulate themselves on their good sense and finer feelings
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 74,117
    Take a guess.

    An unelected pleb who hates the United States with all of his heart and closely works with the enemies of the United States is working to disband a congressionally created Agency whose role is to stop those same enemies of the United States from expanding their influence.
    https://x.com/AndrewPerpetua/status/1887481595352793351
  • MattWMattW Posts: 25,220
    edited February 6
    Leon said:

    MJW said:

    Leon said:

    kamski said:

    Leon said:

    kamski said:

    Leon said:

    kamski said:

    Good job no one speculated on the ethnicity of the Swedish shooter. No one did, right?

    https://x.com/adamemedia/status/1887240710757490999?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q


    OK I followed your link, and as it's X it is of course bollocks.

    Here's the BBC article:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crm71dmkjjyo

    The picture caption says

    "Ismail Moradi told the BBC he fears there was a racial element to the shooting"

    Can we just ban twitter from PB.com? it would reduce all the stupid misinformation that's posted here every day

    Here's the same bollocks from that lying shit MacaesBruno


    https://x.com/MacaesBruno/status/1887363904080138266/photo/1

    Note how he has clipped the picture to omit the picture caption, and doesn't include any of the actual article.
    Tut tut @Theuniondivvie
    The BBC article does seem to contain purely speculative bollocks, so should be criticised. But not for the reasons given by those twitterers. I've no idea who adamemedia is, but Bruno Maçães has a history of spreading misinformation.

    And in his book The Dawn of Eurasia he heaps praise on ultra-nationalist Turkish politician Doğu Perinçek, who denies the Armenian holocaust, and supports Erdoğan and Putin.
    They deliberately clipped the screenshot to do some race-baiting, is all. And @Theuniondivvie fell for it, hook line and sporran. Because he WANTED to believe it
    amazing how that keeps happening with some people and Twixter, isn't it?
    It’s a shame that Bruno Maceas has turned into a nutter. I’m not sure what did it, maybe Gaza, maybe something else. He used to be good value, During Brexit he was one of the few journalists willing to be equally critical of London and Brussels

    As for TwiX do you think misinfo happens because of Musk? Noooo. It happens because TwiX is where shit happens

    If Bluesky ever reaches 250m users and global salience then it too will be full of shit, and it will struggle to moderate it. It’s the nature of the beast

    On the upside, the world may be coming to an end but I am nearly through the worst of my Tramadol withdrawal so it’s not all bad
    Of course misinformation will happen on any platform that reaches a certain size. The problem on TwiX is that the owner deliberately promotes it all the time - whether personally by sharing fake stories, or by shoving bullshit into your feed via the algorithm. It's become basically unusable as a gague of opinion or discussion, or even a pleasant place to look at for a bit of a laugh. It's just become another shitty part of the internet. 4chan for cowards.

    The equivalent would be if Owen Jones, George Galloway, Corbyn and that woman who charges rich white people $2,000 to call them racist owned BlueSky and decided to push everything that accorded with some of their more objectionable views.

    Ultimately that will probably become more of a problem for the right than the left (especially in the UK due to its American focus), as Twitter's much less drastic left lean ended up being for the left when it deluded activists that they'd won arguments because they got thousands of likes from people agreeing with them, but had put off and shut up those who didn't.

    I take it you haven’t been to Bluesky then? If you want to see people trapped in a bubble, that’s where they are, and they are oblivious to the real world. And it’s a lefty bubble

    This will be far worse for them than TwiX is for the right

    Twats like @MattW hang out there and congratulate themselves on their good sense and finer feelings
    Ah. The effects of Tramadol Withdrawal on personal judgements :smile: .
  • kamskikamski Posts: 5,816

    kamski said:

    Leon said:

    kamski said:

    Good job no one speculated on the ethnicity of the Swedish shooter. No one did, right?

    https://x.com/adamemedia/status/1887240710757490999?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q


    OK I followed your link, and as it's X it is of course bollocks.

    Here's the BBC article:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crm71dmkjjyo

    The picture caption says

    "Ismail Moradi told the BBC he fears there was a racial element to the shooting"

    Can we just ban twitter from PB.com? it would reduce all the stupid misinformation that's posted here every day

    Here's the same bollocks from that lying shit MacaesBruno


    https://x.com/MacaesBruno/status/1887363904080138266/photo/1

    Note how he has clipped the picture to omit the picture caption, and doesn't include any of the actual article.
    Tut tut @Theuniondivvie
    The BBC article does seem to contain purely speculative bollocks, so should be criticised. But not for the reasons given by those twitterers. I've no idea who adamemedia is, but Bruno Maçães has a history of spreading misinformation.

    And in his book The Dawn of Eurasia he heaps praise on ultra-nationalist Turkish politician Doğu Perinçek, who denies the Armenian holocaust, and supports Erdoğan and Putin.
    As I read it the criticism was for using that picture at the top of the story. It’s commonly known (even or especially by Speccie reptiles) that a lot of people don’t look past a headline and a pic.
    That seems to be a generous reading, given your twitterer has a screenshot from the BBC, but no link for people to make up their own minds - this is always a bit of a tell so far as I am concerned that there is an attempt to mislead. Can't be that difficult to link to an online BBC article when you have managed to post a screenshot.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 43,911
    Fishing said:

    Sandpit said:

    Bank of England cut rate to 4.5%

    Growth forecast halved from 1.5 to .75

    Surprised it’s only a quarter-point cut given the revised growth forecast.

    The next year is going to be pretty tricky economically.
    Every year will be tricky (or outright disastrous) economically until we get a government that doesn't just gaslight about being pro-growth but acts like it.

    So 2029 at the earliest.
    But you just define "pro-growth" (which tbf many people do) as following economic policies that happen to match your politics - in your case Thatcherite, small state, trickle down variety.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 74,117
    N Korea is also learning dangerously useful lessons from its use of equipment in Ukraine.

    Reuters: Russians achieve higher precision with North Korean missiles in Ukraine
    https://euromaidanpress.com/2025/02/06/reuters-russians-achieve-higher-precision-with-north-korean-missiles-in-ukraine/
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 12,732
    A nice podcast interview with the script writer of "Die Hard", with detailed discussion of whether it's an Xmas movie: https://www.scriptapart.com/episodes/episode-17-die-hard-steven-e-de-souza-interview
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,436
    TOPPING said:

    Amazing news about the Coalisland shooting by our Hereford comrades.

    "Unjustified use of force" in killing those decent PIRA folk who were in a wagon with a 50cal stuck on its back having just shot up an RUC station.

    I mean I am as woke, lily-livered, right on, don't agree with immunity for soldiers where it is not justified as the next person but that is just bonkers. It's not as if they thought oh I know what, keep it a secret but we're going to take out an ASU for shits and giggles.

    FFS.

    Jesus Christ. They actively WANT a revolution

    Either we get Britain Trump in and Nigel sweeps away the Home Office, the Foreign Office and most of the judiciary and legal system OR we have a revolution
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 12,732
    kenObi said:

    Leon said:

    So what's the PB consensus on Trump?


    He's brilliant, right? I think we can all agree on that. He's blown Woke into little pieces, he's cancelled the Left and now he is going after all the waste and wankery. He is also inspiring the New Right in Europe. And he is the only leader prepared to listen to Palestinians and offer them a different future

    What's not to love?

    The one huge issue was always tariffs. That was his one mad plan which made no sense and was likely to crash the world economy. Turns out he didn't mean it, that was all bluster, and thank God

    Otherwise 9/10. Best president ever

    So, so edgy.

    Like 4chan for people with a degree.
    4chan could at least be funny.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 43,911
    Leon said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Leon said:

    Bank of England cut rate to 4.5%

    Growth forecast halved from 1.5 to .75

    That’s within the MoE of a year without growth. Total stagnancy

    This government likely won’t recover from this disastrous beginning. Still, great time to give Mauritius £18bn, eh?
    Come on, how will Starmer be able to show his face at Matrix Chambers to sue the UK for god knows what after he's booted out if he doesn't acquiesce with the right sort of opinions regarding ICJ rulings ?
    Think of how awkward the dinner parties with Sands and his friends will be.
    Isn't £18 Bn a mere pittance to save Starmer from personal embarrassment ?!
    I don’t believe the Chagos deal with go through now. It is so absurdly high profile and it could doom the government by itself

    People have no clue where these islands are, they mostly couldnt give a fuck, but EIGHTEEN BILLION QUID

    There is no way you can spin that

    There’s a very amusing TwiX thread saying “it’s like seeing a nice table in IKEA for sale for £175,000 and you go the till presuming it’s £175 because…. Surely not….”
    When somebody asks you (as I imagine they must sometimes) how much you spend on carrots, do you first estimate how many times a month you have one, then times 12 to get your annual carrot trough, times the current cost per carrot, times the 25 years you hope to be eating carrots before the curtain falls and you go to the great hutch in the sky where carrots aren't available, and then uplift the total for projected inflation over those 25 years, and answer THREE THOUSAND POUNDS?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,021
    More Vatnik Soup

    A Russian solider, who definitely hadn’t been on the vodka, managed to drive a truck into an aircraft.

    https://x.com/nexta_tv/status/1887142627700600966

    Allegedly $5m of damage!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 125,613
    edited February 6
    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Amazing news about the Coalisland shooting by our Hereford comrades.

    "Unjustified use of force" in killing those decent PIRA folk who were in a wagon with a 50cal stuck on its back having just shot up an RUC station.

    I mean I am as woke, lily-livered, right on, don't agree with immunity for soldiers where it is not justified as the next person but that is just bonkers. It's not as if they thought oh I know what, keep it a secret but we're going to take out an ASU for shits and giggles.

    FFS.

    Jesus Christ. They actively WANT a revolution

    Either we get Britain Trump in and Nigel sweeps away the Home Office, the Foreign Office and most of the judiciary and legal system OR we have a revolution
    Farage would need to win a majority for that first and the inquest verdict was delivered by NI not English judges against the backdrop of the Legacy Act which means no further inquests into the Troubles after this verdict will be allowed anyway
  • DriverDriver Posts: 5,559

    Driver said:

    kamski said:

    Foxy said:

    Pretty damning scores.

    No one gets much more than a quarter of voters under "shares our values"

    I don't like the misleading way this polling is reported without showing don't knows
    eg 'An honest person' is in fact:

    Starmer Yes 31% No 46% Don't know 23% Net -15%
    Badenoch Yes 21% No 37% Don't know 43% Net -16%
    Farage Yes 24% No 50% Don't know 26% Net -26%
    Davey Yes 37% No 22% Don't know 41% Net +15%

    Badenoch's net 'honest person' is actually better than Farage's, and Davey's 37% is even more impressive given the numbers saying 'Don't know'

    https://www.ipsos.com/sites/default/files/ct/news/documents/2025-01/Ipsos January 2025_Political Pulse_Data Tables_PUBLIC_0.pdf

    Net for 'Shares my values' are bad though:

    Starmer -31%
    Badenoch -32%
    Farage -27%
    Davey -6%
    Which overall seems to cast the opinion of Badenoch as "probably just another politician until proven otherwise". Whether the irreconcilables like Jenrick and TSE will give her the time and space to have a chance to prove otherwise is a different question.
    There you go again, I voted for Badenoch and have said she should be given time, the issue is will the party give her time?
    I'm judging you by your influential headers which, I note, haven't yet mentioned the recent poll that showed the Tories leading - not by the inconsequential comments BTL.
  • eekeek Posts: 29,138
    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Leon said:

    Bank of England cut rate to 4.5%

    Growth forecast halved from 1.5 to .75

    That’s within the MoE of a year without growth. Total stagnancy

    This government likely won’t recover from this disastrous beginning. Still, great time to give Mauritius £18bn, eh?
    Come on, how will Starmer be able to show his face at Matrix Chambers to sue the UK for god knows what after he's booted out if he doesn't acquiesce with the right sort of opinions regarding ICJ rulings ?
    Think of how awkward the dinner parties with Sands and his friends will be.
    Isn't £18 Bn a mere pittance to save Starmer from personal embarrassment ?!
    I don’t believe the Chagos deal with go through now. It is so absurdly high profile and it could doom the government by itself

    People have no clue where these islands are, they mostly couldnt give a fuck, but EIGHTEEN BILLION QUID

    There is no way you can spin that

    There’s a very amusing TwiX thread saying “it’s like seeing a nice table in IKEA for sale for £175,000 and you go the till presuming it’s £175 because…. Surely not….”
    When somebody asks you (as I imagine they must sometimes) how much you spend on carrots, do you first estimate how many times a month you have one, then times 12 to get your annual carrot trough, times the current cost per carrot, times the 25 years you hope to be eating carrots before the curtain falls and you go to the great hutch in the sky where carrots aren't available, and then uplift the total for projected inflation over those 25 years, and answer THREE THOUSAND POUNDS?
    The idea that we are giving the land to them and still paying money for it is insane.

    It’s like gifting a house to your children and then paying rent to life there
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 74,117
    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Amazing news about the Coalisland shooting by our Hereford comrades.

    "Unjustified use of force" in killing those decent PIRA folk who were in a wagon with a 50cal stuck on its back having just shot up an RUC station.

    I mean I am as woke, lily-livered, right on, don't agree with immunity for soldiers where it is not justified as the next person but that is just bonkers. It's not as if they thought oh I know what, keep it a secret but we're going to take out an ASU for shits and giggles.

    FFS.

    Jesus Christ. They actively WANT a revolution

    Either we get Britain Trump in and Nigel sweeps away the Home Office, the Foreign Office and most of the judiciary and legal system OR we have a revolution
    Get a grip.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,353
    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Amazing news about the Coalisland shooting by our Hereford comrades.

    "Unjustified use of force" in killing those decent PIRA folk who were in a wagon with a 50cal stuck on its back having just shot up an RUC station.

    I mean I am as woke, lily-livered, right on, don't agree with immunity for soldiers where it is not justified as the next person but that is just bonkers. It's not as if they thought oh I know what, keep it a secret but we're going to take out an ASU for shits and giggles.

    FFS.

    Jesus Christ. They actively WANT a revolution

    Either we get Britain Trump in and Nigel sweeps away the Home Office, the Foreign Office and most of the judiciary and legal system OR we have a revolution
    Farage would need to win a majority for that first and the inquest verdict was delivered by NI not English judges against the backdrop of the Legacy Act which means no further inquests into the Troubles after this verdict will be allowed anyway
    Thing is, and why wouldn't they want this, but to question such activities is to go to the very top of the British state and its operations during The Troubles. This was very much SOPs at the time (Loughall was a previous example) and the OPs only came from one place and it wasn't the local TAOR commander.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 44,607
    Nigelb said:

    First Mirage 2000s have arrived in Ukraine.

    Good on Macron and the French.

    It seems today is the six-month anniversary of Ukraine's Kursk invasion. Six months in which, whilst Russia has regained a lot of the territory, they have missed three of Putin's deadlines to recapture the whole lot. And in gaining what they have, they have lost many, many troops.
  • kamskikamski Posts: 5,816
    Don't know if this has made the UK news:

    More than 270 cars in Germany were the target of attacks: exhaust pipes were deliberately blocked. Initial findings suggest the perpetrators were paid by Russia.

    https://www.dw.com/de/deutsche-fahnder-sehen-russland-hinter-sabotage-serie/a-71515118

    The police are investigating the suspicion that a series of acts of sabotage in Germany was controlled by organisations in Russia. Cars in several federal states were targeted. According to initial investigations, it can be assumed that the saboteurs received money for their actions from a Russian client, according to security sources.

    According to the news magazine ‘Der Spiegel’, more than 270 vehicles in the federal states of Berlin, Baden-Württemberg, Bavaria and Brandenburg were targeted.
    (...)
    The saboteurs left stickers with the slogan ‘Be greener!’ and a photo of Federal Minister of Economics and Green Party candidate for chancellor Robert Habeck at the crime scenes. Climate activists were also initially suspected of the offences.

    According to Der Spiegel, security circles were talking about a targeted campaign with the intention of stirring up hatred against the Greens and their candidate for chancellor Habeck during the federal election campaign.
    (...)
    According to Der Spiegel, one of the accused has now come clean. He is said to have stated that he and others involved were instigated to carry out the attacks by a Russian. The client had given detailed instructions for the sabotage actions via the messenger service ‘Viber’, the magazine further quotes the co-accused. They were promised a fee of 100 euros for each damaged vehicle. Several thousand euros were then paid.


    (auto translated)
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,436
    MJW said:

    Leon said:

    MJW said:

    Leon said:

    kamski said:

    Leon said:

    kamski said:

    Leon said:

    kamski said:

    Good job no one speculated on the ethnicity of the Swedish shooter. No one did, right?

    https://x.com/adamemedia/status/1887240710757490999?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q


    OK I followed your link, and as it's X it is of course bollocks.

    Here's the BBC article:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crm71dmkjjyo

    The picture caption says

    "Ismail Moradi told the BBC he fears there was a racial element to the shooting"

    Can we just ban twitter from PB.com? it would reduce all the stupid misinformation that's posted here every day

    Here's the same bollocks from that lying shit MacaesBruno


    https://x.com/MacaesBruno/status/1887363904080138266/photo/1

    Note how he has clipped the picture to omit the picture caption, and doesn't include any of the actual article.
    Tut tut @Theuniondivvie
    The BBC article does seem to contain purely speculative bollocks, so should be criticised. But not for the reasons given by those twitterers. I've no idea who adamemedia is, but Bruno Maçães has a history of spreading misinformation.

    And in his book The Dawn of Eurasia he heaps praise on ultra-nationalist Turkish politician Doğu Perinçek, who denies the Armenian holocaust, and supports Erdoğan and Putin.
    They deliberately clipped the screenshot to do some race-baiting, is all. And @Theuniondivvie fell for it, hook line and sporran. Because he WANTED to believe it
    amazing how that keeps happening with some people and Twixter, isn't it?
    It’s a shame that Bruno Maceas has turned into a nutter. I’m not sure what did it, maybe Gaza, maybe something else. He used to be good value, During Brexit he was one of the few journalists willing to be equally critical of London and Brussels

    As for TwiX do you think misinfo happens because of Musk? Noooo. It happens because TwiX is where shit happens

    If Bluesky ever reaches 250m users and global salience then it too will be full of shit, and it will struggle to moderate it. It’s the nature of the beast

    On the upside, the world may be coming to an end but I am nearly through the worst of my Tramadol withdrawal so it’s not all bad
    Of course misinformation will happen on any platform that reaches a certain size. The problem on TwiX is that the owner deliberately promotes it all the time - whether personally by sharing fake stories, or by shoving bullshit into your feed via the algorithm. It's become basically unusable as a gague of opinion or discussion, or even a pleasant place to look at for a bit of a laugh. It's just become another shitty part of the internet. 4chan for cowards.

    The equivalent would be if Owen Jones, George Galloway, Corbyn and that woman who charges rich white people $2,000 to call them racist owned BlueSky and decided to push everything that accorded with some of their more objectionable views.

    Ultimately that will probably become more of a problem for the right than the left (especially in the UK due to its American focus), as Twitter's much less drastic left lean ended up being for the left when it deluded activists that they'd won arguments because they got thousands of likes from people agreeing with them, but had put off and shut up those who didn't.

    I take it you haven’t been to Bluesky then? If you want to see people trapped in a bubble, that’s where they are, and they are oblivious to the real world. And it’s a lefty bubble

    This will be far worse for them than TwiX is for the right

    Twats like @MattW hang out there and congratulate themselves on their good sense and finer feelings
    I've been on both, and I'd say TwiX is far worse - it's really quite odd switching between the two. Yes, BlueSky has its leans and it is too homogenous than it would ideally be - but importantly it allows you to tailor your own experience so if you want to try and follow as broader range as people as possible, and ignore the nutters you can.

    TwiX by comparison feels like a lunatic asylum and radicalisation machine where you see people who were sensible six months ago spout demonstrably false nutter opinions because that's what's been relentlessly been pumped into their timelines every day by its ketamine-addled king.

    As I think a friend - who is a bit pick and mix politically, doesn't like ultra-wokeness (and was once upon a time a fan of Elon) - said, he now prefers BlueSky while using both as while both have people spouting lunatic fringe opinions, on TwiX the angriest, maddest ones are the ones shoved in your face whether you like it or not, whereas BlueSky if you want to seek out people claiming pronouns make them feel unsafe, you can - but if you want to get on with life without that, it's easy.

    Both are obviously not the real world, and their own ideological silos to some extent - but I suspect one of them has users slightly more self-aware about it than the other and we're already seeing an example of a right-wing politician floundering by spending too much time on TwiX - Kemi Badenoch.
    And you get 4 likes for this palpable drivel

    QED
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,909
    TOPPING said:

    Amazing news about the Coalisland shooting by our Hereford comrades.

    "Unjustified use of force" in killing those decent PIRA folk who were in a wagon with a 50cal stuck on its back having just shot up an RUC station.

    I mean I am as woke, lily-livered, right on, don't agree with immunity for soldiers where it is not justified as the next person but that is just bonkers. It's not as if they thought oh I know what, keep it a secret but we're going to take out an ASU for shits and giggles.

    FFS.

    Loughgall was a laugh too!
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 43,911

    tlg86 said:

    ....

    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    Good job no one speculated on the ethnicity of the Swedish shooter. No one did, right?

    https://x.com/adamemedia/status/1887240710757490999?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    No, no one did

    That must annoy you
    At least two people on PB did.

    Leon said:

    Good job no one speculated on the ethnicity of the Swedish shooter. No one did, right?

    https://x.com/adamemedia/status/1887240710757490999?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    No, no one did

    That must annoy you
    Andy_JS did.

    We shouldn't speculate but what are the chances it was someone who'd been told to leave the country.

    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/5109561/#Comment_5109561
    I believe the two likes Leon spuriously received for his post should removed by the embarrassed likers.
    If it makes you feel better, my guess was white guy as it was at an educational setting. EDIT: and with a gun.
    Tbh does the creed or colour of a madman really matter?
    It's the only thing that matters to the 'multiculturalism doesn't work" crowd.

    A mass murder happens.

    "Ooo great. Hope it's a muslim!"

    It is ... a deluge of commentary ensues about how this can't go on, "enough is enough", close those borders, vote for those national populists, c'mon it's time, Trump shows the way, great big magnificent man.

    It isn't ... what's for tea tonight?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,436
    eek said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Leon said:

    Bank of England cut rate to 4.5%

    Growth forecast halved from 1.5 to .75

    That’s within the MoE of a year without growth. Total stagnancy

    This government likely won’t recover from this disastrous beginning. Still, great time to give Mauritius £18bn, eh?
    Come on, how will Starmer be able to show his face at Matrix Chambers to sue the UK for god knows what after he's booted out if he doesn't acquiesce with the right sort of opinions regarding ICJ rulings ?
    Think of how awkward the dinner parties with Sands and his friends will be.
    Isn't £18 Bn a mere pittance to save Starmer from personal embarrassment ?!
    I don’t believe the Chagos deal with go through now. It is so absurdly high profile and it could doom the government by itself

    People have no clue where these islands are, they mostly couldnt give a fuck, but EIGHTEEN BILLION QUID

    There is no way you can spin that

    There’s a very amusing TwiX thread saying “it’s like seeing a nice table in IKEA for sale for £175,000 and you go the till presuming it’s £175 because…. Surely not….”
    When somebody asks you (as I imagine they must sometimes) how much you spend on carrots, do you first estimate how many times a month you have one, then times 12 to get your annual carrot trough, times the current cost per carrot, times the 25 years you hope to be eating carrots before the curtain falls and you go to the great hutch in the sky where carrots aren't available, and then uplift the total for projected inflation over those 25 years, and answer THREE THOUSAND POUNDS?
    The idea that we are giving the land to them and still paying money for it is insane.

    It’s like gifting a house to your children and then paying rent to life there
    It’s not even your kids. It’s some neighbour down the road and round the corner who has noticed you’ve gone slightly mad from drinking Bucky and eating soil after a painful, crippling divorce and now chances his arm at making you sign an insane document making you pay to hand over your allotment
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 29,999
    Leon said:

    MJW said:

    Leon said:

    MJW said:

    Leon said:

    kamski said:

    Leon said:

    kamski said:

    Leon said:

    kamski said:

    Good job no one speculated on the ethnicity of the Swedish shooter. No one did, right?

    https://x.com/adamemedia/status/1887240710757490999?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q


    OK I followed your link, and as it's X it is of course bollocks.

    Here's the BBC article:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crm71dmkjjyo

    The picture caption says

    "Ismail Moradi told the BBC he fears there was a racial element to the shooting"

    Can we just ban twitter from PB.com? it would reduce all the stupid misinformation that's posted here every day

    Here's the same bollocks from that lying shit MacaesBruno


    https://x.com/MacaesBruno/status/1887363904080138266/photo/1

    Note how he has clipped the picture to omit the picture caption, and doesn't include any of the actual article.
    Tut tut @Theuniondivvie
    The BBC article does seem to contain purely speculative bollocks, so should be criticised. But not for the reasons given by those twitterers. I've no idea who adamemedia is, but Bruno Maçães has a history of spreading misinformation.

    And in his book The Dawn of Eurasia he heaps praise on ultra-nationalist Turkish politician Doğu Perinçek, who denies the Armenian holocaust, and supports Erdoğan and Putin.
    They deliberately clipped the screenshot to do some race-baiting, is all. And @Theuniondivvie fell for it, hook line and sporran. Because he WANTED to believe it
    amazing how that keeps happening with some people and Twixter, isn't it?
    It’s a shame that Bruno Maceas has turned into a nutter. I’m not sure what did it, maybe Gaza, maybe something else. He used to be good value, During Brexit he was one of the few journalists willing to be equally critical of London and Brussels

    As for TwiX do you think misinfo happens because of Musk? Noooo. It happens because TwiX is where shit happens

    If Bluesky ever reaches 250m users and global salience then it too will be full of shit, and it will struggle to moderate it. It’s the nature of the beast

    On the upside, the world may be coming to an end but I am nearly through the worst of my Tramadol withdrawal so it’s not all bad
    Of course misinformation will happen on any platform that reaches a certain size. The problem on TwiX is that the owner deliberately promotes it all the time - whether personally by sharing fake stories, or by shoving bullshit into your feed via the algorithm. It's become basically unusable as a gague of opinion or discussion, or even a pleasant place to look at for a bit of a laugh. It's just become another shitty part of the internet. 4chan for cowards.

    The equivalent would be if Owen Jones, George Galloway, Corbyn and that woman who charges rich white people $2,000 to call them racist owned BlueSky and decided to push everything that accorded with some of their more objectionable views.

    Ultimately that will probably become more of a problem for the right than the left (especially in the UK due to its American focus), as Twitter's much less drastic left lean ended up being for the left when it deluded activists that they'd won arguments because they got thousands of likes from people agreeing with them, but had put off and shut up those who didn't.

    I take it you haven’t been to Bluesky then? If you want to see people trapped in a bubble, that’s where they are, and they are oblivious to the real world. And it’s a lefty bubble

    This will be far worse for them than TwiX is for the right

    Twats like @MattW hang out there and congratulate themselves on their good sense and finer feelings
    I've been on both, and I'd say TwiX is far worse - it's really quite odd switching between the two. Yes, BlueSky has its leans and it is too homogenous than it would ideally be - but importantly it allows you to tailor your own experience so if you want to try and follow as broader range as people as possible, and ignore the nutters you can.

    TwiX by comparison feels like a lunatic asylum and radicalisation machine where you see people who were sensible six months ago spout demonstrably false nutter opinions because that's what's been relentlessly been pumped into their timelines every day by its ketamine-addled king.

    As I think a friend - who is a bit pick and mix politically, doesn't like ultra-wokeness (and was once upon a time a fan of Elon) - said, he now prefers BlueSky while using both as while both have people spouting lunatic fringe opinions, on TwiX the angriest, maddest ones are the ones shoved in your face whether you like it or not, whereas BlueSky if you want to seek out people claiming pronouns make them feel unsafe, you can - but if you want to get on with life without that, it's easy.

    Both are obviously not the real world, and their own ideological silos to some extent - but I suspect one of them has users slightly more self-aware about it than the other and we're already seeing an example of a right-wing politician floundering by spending too much time on TwiX - Kemi Badenoch.
    And you get 4 likes for this palpable drivel

    QED
    Six now, keep up.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 43,911
    Leon said:

    MJW said:

    Leon said:

    MJW said:

    Leon said:

    kamski said:

    Leon said:

    kamski said:

    Leon said:

    kamski said:

    Good job no one speculated on the ethnicity of the Swedish shooter. No one did, right?

    https://x.com/adamemedia/status/1887240710757490999?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q


    OK I followed your link, and as it's X it is of course bollocks.

    Here's the BBC article:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crm71dmkjjyo

    The picture caption says

    "Ismail Moradi told the BBC he fears there was a racial element to the shooting"

    Can we just ban twitter from PB.com? it would reduce all the stupid misinformation that's posted here every day

    Here's the same bollocks from that lying shit MacaesBruno


    https://x.com/MacaesBruno/status/1887363904080138266/photo/1

    Note how he has clipped the picture to omit the picture caption, and doesn't include any of the actual article.
    Tut tut @Theuniondivvie
    The BBC article does seem to contain purely speculative bollocks, so should be criticised. But not for the reasons given by those twitterers. I've no idea who adamemedia is, but Bruno Maçães has a history of spreading misinformation.

    And in his book The Dawn of Eurasia he heaps praise on ultra-nationalist Turkish politician Doğu Perinçek, who denies the Armenian holocaust, and supports Erdoğan and Putin.
    They deliberately clipped the screenshot to do some race-baiting, is all. And @Theuniondivvie fell for it, hook line and sporran. Because he WANTED to believe it
    amazing how that keeps happening with some people and Twixter, isn't it?
    It’s a shame that Bruno Maceas has turned into a nutter. I’m not sure what did it, maybe Gaza, maybe something else. He used to be good value, During Brexit he was one of the few journalists willing to be equally critical of London and Brussels

    As for TwiX do you think misinfo happens because of Musk? Noooo. It happens because TwiX is where shit happens

    If Bluesky ever reaches 250m users and global salience then it too will be full of shit, and it will struggle to moderate it. It’s the nature of the beast

    On the upside, the world may be coming to an end but I am nearly through the worst of my Tramadol withdrawal so it’s not all bad
    Of course misinformation will happen on any platform that reaches a certain size. The problem on TwiX is that the owner deliberately promotes it all the time - whether personally by sharing fake stories, or by shoving bullshit into your feed via the algorithm. It's become basically unusable as a gague of opinion or discussion, or even a pleasant place to look at for a bit of a laugh. It's just become another shitty part of the internet. 4chan for cowards.

    The equivalent would be if Owen Jones, George Galloway, Corbyn and that woman who charges rich white people $2,000 to call them racist owned BlueSky and decided to push everything that accorded with some of their more objectionable views.

    Ultimately that will probably become more of a problem for the right than the left (especially in the UK due to its American focus), as Twitter's much less drastic left lean ended up being for the left when it deluded activists that they'd won arguments because they got thousands of likes from people agreeing with them, but had put off and shut up those who didn't.

    I take it you haven’t been to Bluesky then? If you want to see people trapped in a bubble, that’s where they are, and they are oblivious to the real world. And it’s a lefty bubble

    This will be far worse for them than TwiX is for the right

    Twats like @MattW hang out there and congratulate themselves on their good sense and finer feelings
    I've been on both, and I'd say TwiX is far worse - it's really quite odd switching between the two. Yes, BlueSky has its leans and it is too homogenous than it would ideally be - but importantly it allows you to tailor your own experience so if you want to try and follow as broader range as people as possible, and ignore the nutters you can.

    TwiX by comparison feels like a lunatic asylum and radicalisation machine where you see people who were sensible six months ago spout demonstrably false nutter opinions because that's what's been relentlessly been pumped into their timelines every day by its ketamine-addled king.

    As I think a friend - who is a bit pick and mix politically, doesn't like ultra-wokeness (and was once upon a time a fan of Elon) - said, he now prefers BlueSky while using both as while both have people spouting lunatic fringe opinions, on TwiX the angriest, maddest ones are the ones shoved in your face whether you like it or not, whereas BlueSky if you want to seek out people claiming pronouns make them feel unsafe, you can - but if you want to get on with life without that, it's easy.

    Both are obviously not the real world, and their own ideological silos to some extent - but I suspect one of them has users slightly more self-aware about it than the other and we're already seeing an example of a right-wing politician floundering by spending too much time on TwiX - Kemi Badenoch.
    And you get 4 likes for this palpable drivel

    QED
    Lunatics probably can't tell that they're surrounded by lunatics.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 43,911
    eek said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Leon said:

    Bank of England cut rate to 4.5%

    Growth forecast halved from 1.5 to .75

    That’s within the MoE of a year without growth. Total stagnancy

    This government likely won’t recover from this disastrous beginning. Still, great time to give Mauritius £18bn, eh?
    Come on, how will Starmer be able to show his face at Matrix Chambers to sue the UK for god knows what after he's booted out if he doesn't acquiesce with the right sort of opinions regarding ICJ rulings ?
    Think of how awkward the dinner parties with Sands and his friends will be.
    Isn't £18 Bn a mere pittance to save Starmer from personal embarrassment ?!
    I don’t believe the Chagos deal with go through now. It is so absurdly high profile and it could doom the government by itself

    People have no clue where these islands are, they mostly couldnt give a fuck, but EIGHTEEN BILLION QUID

    There is no way you can spin that

    There’s a very amusing TwiX thread saying “it’s like seeing a nice table in IKEA for sale for £175,000 and you go the till presuming it’s £175 because…. Surely not….”
    When somebody asks you (as I imagine they must sometimes) how much you spend on carrots, do you first estimate how many times a month you have one, then times 12 to get your annual carrot trough, times the current cost per carrot, times the 25 years you hope to be eating carrots before the curtain falls and you go to the great hutch in the sky where carrots aren't available, and then uplift the total for projected inflation over those 25 years, and answer THREE THOUSAND POUNDS?
    The idea that we are giving the land to them and still paying money for it is insane.

    It’s like gifting a house to your children and then paying rent to life there
    Not a good analogy. The house belongs to the kids, we're returning it and paying rent for a bedroom to stash our trainset.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,901
    kinabalu said:

    tlg86 said:

    ....

    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    Good job no one speculated on the ethnicity of the Swedish shooter. No one did, right?

    https://x.com/adamemedia/status/1887240710757490999?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    No, no one did

    That must annoy you
    At least two people on PB did.

    Leon said:

    Good job no one speculated on the ethnicity of the Swedish shooter. No one did, right?

    https://x.com/adamemedia/status/1887240710757490999?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    No, no one did

    That must annoy you
    Andy_JS did.

    We shouldn't speculate but what are the chances it was someone who'd been told to leave the country.

    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/5109561/#Comment_5109561
    I believe the two likes Leon spuriously received for his post should removed by the embarrassed likers.
    If it makes you feel better, my guess was white guy as it was at an educational setting. EDIT: and with a gun.
    Tbh does the creed or colour of a madman really matter?
    It's the only thing that matters to the 'multiculturalism doesn't work" crowd.

    A mass murder happens.

    "Ooo great. Hope it's a muslim!"

    It is ... a deluge of commentary ensues about how this can't go on, "enough is enough", close those borders, vote for those national populists, c'mon it's time, Trump shows the way, great big magnificent man.

    It isn't ... what's for tea tonight?
    Yes it’s only one way…

    There are people who actively hope it’s a Muslim as it bolsters their world view.

    There are people who actively hope it’s a far righty as it bolsters their world view.

    There are people who hope it’s not a far righty as it questions their world view.

    Thee are people who hope it’s not a Muslim as it questions their world view.

    Then there are people who have managed to realise by now that it’s best to wait and see as it can be Muslim, far right or just mentally disturbed people.

  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,066
    TOPPING said:

    Amazing news about the Coalisland shooting by our Hereford comrades.

    "Unjustified use of force" in killing those decent PIRA folk who were in a wagon with a 50cal stuck on its back having just shot up an RUC station.

    I mean I am as woke, lily-livered, right on, don't agree with immunity for soldiers where it is not justified as the next person but that is just bonkers. It's not as if they thought oh I know what, keep it a secret but we're going to take out an ASU for shits and giggles.

    FFS.

    On the face of it, that ruling seems bizarre.

    A group of terrorists, armed to the teeth, attempt to commit murder, and it is deemed *wrong* to open fire on them.

    The Coroner is essentially condoning terrorist violence.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 74,117
    TOPPING said:

    Amazing news about the Coalisland shooting by our Hereford comrades.

    "Unjustified use of force" in killing those decent PIRA folk who were in a wagon with a 50cal stuck on its back having just shot up an RUC station.

    I mean I am as woke, lily-livered, right on, don't agree with immunity for soldiers where it is not justified as the next person but that is just bonkers. It's not as if they thought oh I know what, keep it a secret but we're going to take out an ASU for shits and giggles.

    FFS.

    It's a coroner's decision, so only of limited weight.

    On the face of it, looks a bullshit decision to me.
    Note the team was also carrying AKs; two were arrested having been wounded, and the IRA claimed others got away.

    (Also, the DShK was probably using ex Soviet 12.7mm ammo, rather than NATO 50cal.)
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,353
    boulay said:

    kinabalu said:

    tlg86 said:

    ....

    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    Good job no one speculated on the ethnicity of the Swedish shooter. No one did, right?

    https://x.com/adamemedia/status/1887240710757490999?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    No, no one did

    That must annoy you
    At least two people on PB did.

    Leon said:

    Good job no one speculated on the ethnicity of the Swedish shooter. No one did, right?

    https://x.com/adamemedia/status/1887240710757490999?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    No, no one did

    That must annoy you
    Andy_JS did.

    We shouldn't speculate but what are the chances it was someone who'd been told to leave the country.

    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/5109561/#Comment_5109561
    I believe the two likes Leon spuriously received for his post should removed by the embarrassed likers.
    If it makes you feel better, my guess was white guy as it was at an educational setting. EDIT: and with a gun.
    Tbh does the creed or colour of a madman really matter?
    It's the only thing that matters to the 'multiculturalism doesn't work" crowd.

    A mass murder happens.

    "Ooo great. Hope it's a muslim!"

    It is ... a deluge of commentary ensues about how this can't go on, "enough is enough", close those borders, vote for those national populists, c'mon it's time, Trump shows the way, great big magnificent man.

    It isn't ... what's for tea tonight?
    Yes it’s only one way…

    There are people who actively hope it’s a Muslim as it bolsters their world view.

    There are people who actively hope it’s a far righty as it bolsters their world view.

    There are people who hope it’s not a far righty as it questions their world view.

    Thee are people who hope it’s not a Muslim as it questions their world view.

    Then there are people who have managed to realise by now that it’s best to wait and see as it can be Muslim, far right or just mentally disturbed people.

    I would not necessarily separate out "mentally disturbed people" from any of the groupings you name.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,353
    kinabalu said:

    tlg86 said:

    ....

    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    Good job no one speculated on the ethnicity of the Swedish shooter. No one did, right?

    https://x.com/adamemedia/status/1887240710757490999?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    No, no one did

    That must annoy you
    At least two people on PB did.

    Leon said:

    Good job no one speculated on the ethnicity of the Swedish shooter. No one did, right?

    https://x.com/adamemedia/status/1887240710757490999?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    No, no one did

    That must annoy you
    Andy_JS did.

    We shouldn't speculate but what are the chances it was someone who'd been told to leave the country.

    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/5109561/#Comment_5109561
    I believe the two likes Leon spuriously received for his post should removed by the embarrassed likers.
    If it makes you feel better, my guess was white guy as it was at an educational setting. EDIT: and with a gun.
    Tbh does the creed or colour of a madman really matter?
    It's the only thing that matters to the 'multiculturalism doesn't work" crowd.

    A mass murder happens.

    "Ooo great. Hope it's a muslim!"

    It is ... a deluge of commentary ensues about how this can't go on, "enough is enough", close those borders, vote for those national populists, c'mon it's time, Trump shows the way, great big magnificent man.

    It isn't ... what's for tea tonight?
    Why do you mention the word Muslim in connection to a terrorist outrage.

    Why is that your go-to example.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,901
    TOPPING said:

    boulay said:

    kinabalu said:

    tlg86 said:

    ....

    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    Good job no one speculated on the ethnicity of the Swedish shooter. No one did, right?

    https://x.com/adamemedia/status/1887240710757490999?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    No, no one did

    That must annoy you
    At least two people on PB did.

    Leon said:

    Good job no one speculated on the ethnicity of the Swedish shooter. No one did, right?

    https://x.com/adamemedia/status/1887240710757490999?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    No, no one did

    That must annoy you
    Andy_JS did.

    We shouldn't speculate but what are the chances it was someone who'd been told to leave the country.

    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/5109561/#Comment_5109561
    I believe the two likes Leon spuriously received for his post should removed by the embarrassed likers.
    If it makes you feel better, my guess was white guy as it was at an educational setting. EDIT: and with a gun.
    Tbh does the creed or colour of a madman really matter?
    It's the only thing that matters to the 'multiculturalism doesn't work" crowd.

    A mass murder happens.

    "Ooo great. Hope it's a muslim!"

    It is ... a deluge of commentary ensues about how this can't go on, "enough is enough", close those borders, vote for those national populists, c'mon it's time, Trump shows the way, great big magnificent man.

    It isn't ... what's for tea tonight?
    Yes it’s only one way…

    There are people who actively hope it’s a Muslim as it bolsters their world view.

    There are people who actively hope it’s a far righty as it bolsters their world view.

    There are people who hope it’s not a far righty as it questions their world view.

    Thee are people who hope it’s not a Muslim as it questions their world view.

    Then there are people who have managed to realise by now that it’s best to wait and see as it can be Muslim, far right or just mentally disturbed people.

    I would not necessarily separate out "mentally disturbed people" from any of the groupings you name.
    Good point.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,436
    Trump is live on TV for the National Prayer Breakfast

    He is cracking quite good jokes about his mad hair. This is a different man to Trump 1.0
  • kamskikamski Posts: 5,816
    kamski said:

    Don't know if this has made the UK news:

    More than 270 cars in Germany were the target of attacks: exhaust pipes were deliberately blocked. Initial findings suggest the perpetrators were paid by Russia.

    https://www.dw.com/de/deutsche-fahnder-sehen-russland-hinter-sabotage-serie/a-71515118

    The police are investigating the suspicion that a series of acts of sabotage in Germany was controlled by organisations in Russia. Cars in several federal states were targeted. According to initial investigations, it can be assumed that the saboteurs received money for their actions from a Russian client, according to security sources.

    According to the news magazine ‘Der Spiegel’, more than 270 vehicles in the federal states of Berlin, Baden-Württemberg, Bavaria and Brandenburg were targeted.
    (...)
    The saboteurs left stickers with the slogan ‘Be greener!’ and a photo of Federal Minister of Economics and Green Party candidate for chancellor Robert Habeck at the crime scenes. Climate activists were also initially suspected of the offences.

    According to Der Spiegel, security circles were talking about a targeted campaign with the intention of stirring up hatred against the Greens and their candidate for chancellor Habeck during the federal election campaign.
    (...)
    According to Der Spiegel, one of the accused has now come clean. He is said to have stated that he and others involved were instigated to carry out the attacks by a Russian. The client had given detailed instructions for the sabotage actions via the messenger service ‘Viber’, the magazine further quotes the co-accused. They were promised a fee of 100 euros for each damaged vehicle. Several thousand euros were then paid.


    (auto translated)

    There's at least an English version:

    https://www.dw.com/en/germany-police-suspect-russia-behind-car-vandalism/a-71517942
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 43,911
    boulay said:

    kinabalu said:

    tlg86 said:

    ....

    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    Good job no one speculated on the ethnicity of the Swedish shooter. No one did, right?

    https://x.com/adamemedia/status/1887240710757490999?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    No, no one did

    That must annoy you
    At least two people on PB did.

    Leon said:

    Good job no one speculated on the ethnicity of the Swedish shooter. No one did, right?

    https://x.com/adamemedia/status/1887240710757490999?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    No, no one did

    That must annoy you
    Andy_JS did.

    We shouldn't speculate but what are the chances it was someone who'd been told to leave the country.

    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/5109561/#Comment_5109561
    I believe the two likes Leon spuriously received for his post should removed by the embarrassed likers.
    If it makes you feel better, my guess was white guy as it was at an educational setting. EDIT: and with a gun.
    Tbh does the creed or colour of a madman really matter?
    It's the only thing that matters to the 'multiculturalism doesn't work" crowd.

    A mass murder happens.

    "Ooo great. Hope it's a muslim!"

    It is ... a deluge of commentary ensues about how this can't go on, "enough is enough", close those borders, vote for those national populists, c'mon it's time, Trump shows the way, great big magnificent man.

    It isn't ... what's for tea tonight?
    Yes it’s only one way…

    There are people who actively hope it’s a Muslim as it bolsters their world view.

    There are people who actively hope it’s a far righty as it bolsters their world view.

    There are people who hope it’s not a far righty as it questions their world view.

    Thee are people who hope it’s not a Muslim as it questions their world view.

    Then there are people who have managed to realise by now that it’s best to wait and see as it can be Muslim, far right or just mentally disturbed people.
    And we are all in that final group. Let nobody say otherwise.

    Heard an interesting thing the other day. The point that there are some people (almost always young men) who are susceptible to violent extremism of any stripe. They might find it in the far right but could just as easily (the same person) find it in eco or religious fundamentalism or whatever.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 5,559
    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    kamski said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Will Elon fail in his downsizing of the USG?

    It's exactly what he did at Twitter. And, it seems, he is slowly beginning to turn TwiX around

    Revenue is slashed, but costs are slashed even more, and now it begins to grow again


    https://x.com/Austen/status/1887363437518270757

    Musk is bring played by Trump - set up to fail with an impossible task, while acting as a lightning rod for public dissatisfaction, and all the while paying for the privilege. The falling out will be spectacular, and Musk will be the loser from it.
    No one has any clue how this will play out, it's all entirely new
    There are some eternal human truths though, Trump selling out anyone not related to him to deflect blame being one of them.
    Maybe eventually, but for the time being I guess Trump thinks it's a winning team. And Musk wants to dismantle democracy, give even more wealth and power to billionaires, and seems quite sympathetic to white supremacists. So they have a lot in common.

    Besides, one of the biggest potential blocks on Trump would be finding 4 out of the 53 Republican senators to vote against him. Surely there are more than 4 who would vote against him on a whole bunch of stuff if they dared. Trump needs Musk - who's going to fund the primary campaigns and lead the social media propaganda campaigns against rebel senators who step out of line?
    We just need Musk to last long enough to usher Farage into power, as he has done with Trump. Job done
    Musk is backing the AfD and already set to fail on that front in the German election later this month with a CDU-SPD grand coalition forecast, albeit the AfD might get second.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_2025_German_federal_election

    He also likes and has tweeted Kemi not just Farage, indeed he a few weeks ago said Farage should go
    Backing the AfD was always going to fail - the electoral system precludes a majority, and the other parties aren't going to let them into government even if they get 40% of the seats.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,436
    kinabalu said:

    boulay said:

    kinabalu said:

    tlg86 said:

    ....

    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    Good job no one speculated on the ethnicity of the Swedish shooter. No one did, right?

    https://x.com/adamemedia/status/1887240710757490999?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    No, no one did

    That must annoy you
    At least two people on PB did.

    Leon said:

    Good job no one speculated on the ethnicity of the Swedish shooter. No one did, right?

    https://x.com/adamemedia/status/1887240710757490999?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    No, no one did

    That must annoy you
    Andy_JS did.

    We shouldn't speculate but what are the chances it was someone who'd been told to leave the country.

    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/5109561/#Comment_5109561
    I believe the two likes Leon spuriously received for his post should removed by the embarrassed likers.
    If it makes you feel better, my guess was white guy as it was at an educational setting. EDIT: and with a gun.
    Tbh does the creed or colour of a madman really matter?
    It's the only thing that matters to the 'multiculturalism doesn't work" crowd.

    A mass murder happens.

    "Ooo great. Hope it's a muslim!"

    It is ... a deluge of commentary ensues about how this can't go on, "enough is enough", close those borders, vote for those national populists, c'mon it's time, Trump shows the way, great big magnificent man.

    It isn't ... what's for tea tonight?
    Yes it’s only one way…

    There are people who actively hope it’s a Muslim as it bolsters their world view.

    There are people who actively hope it’s a far righty as it bolsters their world view.

    There are people who hope it’s not a far righty as it questions their world view.

    Thee are people who hope it’s not a Muslim as it questions their world view.

    Then there are people who have managed to realise by now that it’s best to wait and see as it can be Muslim, far right or just mentally disturbed people.
    And we are all in that final group. Let nobody say otherwise.

    Heard an interesting thing the other day. The point that there are some people (almost always young men) who are susceptible to violent extremism of any stripe. They might find it in the far right but could just as easily (the same person) find it in eco or religious fundamentalism or whatever.
    Why did you firstly and immediately associate terrorism with Islam?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,356
    Leon said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Leon said:

    Bank of England cut rate to 4.5%

    Growth forecast halved from 1.5 to .75

    That’s within the MoE of a year without growth. Total stagnancy

    This government likely won’t recover from this disastrous beginning. Still, great time to give Mauritius £18bn, eh?
    Come on, how will Starmer be able to show his face at Matrix Chambers to sue the UK for god knows what after he's booted out if he doesn't acquiesce with the right sort of opinions regarding ICJ rulings ?
    Think of how awkward the dinner parties with Sands and his friends will be.
    Isn't £18 Bn a mere pittance to save Starmer from personal embarrassment ?!
    I don’t believe the Chagos deal with go through now. It is so absurdly high profile and it could doom the government by itself

    People have no clue where these islands are, they mostly couldnt give a fuck, but EIGHTEEN BILLION QUID

    There is no way you can spin that

    There’s a very amusing TwiX thread saying “it’s like seeing a nice table in IKEA for sale for £175,000 and you go the till presuming it’s £175 because…. Surely not….”
    But before then came the biggest disaster of all, a Prada jumper from Harrods that even now makes me both angry and upset. By this stage I was doing alright financially. I could walk into a menswear department with optimism. And so when I saw this top with standard woollen arms but some weird half-cashmere, half-camelhair body, I thought, maybe, and when I tried it on and it fitted I thought, why not? To the till, a pleasant conversation ongoing with the shop assistant. Barcode under the scanner, a beep and a smile. ‘That will be £800, please.’ Eight hundred pounds! I was furious, first with the assistant and then myself. Why had there been no price on it? Actually that bit made sense. But why had he not warned me? Even worse, why did I then hand over my credit card, smoke coming out of my ears, rather than throwing the jumper in his face and the hanger on the floor? Instantly I resented the jumper too.
    Crouch, Peter. How to Be a Footballer.

  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 43,911
    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    tlg86 said:

    ....

    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    Good job no one speculated on the ethnicity of the Swedish shooter. No one did, right?

    https://x.com/adamemedia/status/1887240710757490999?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    No, no one did

    That must annoy you
    At least two people on PB did.

    Leon said:

    Good job no one speculated on the ethnicity of the Swedish shooter. No one did, right?

    https://x.com/adamemedia/status/1887240710757490999?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    No, no one did

    That must annoy you
    Andy_JS did.

    We shouldn't speculate but what are the chances it was someone who'd been told to leave the country.

    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/5109561/#Comment_5109561
    I believe the two likes Leon spuriously received for his post should removed by the embarrassed likers.
    If it makes you feel better, my guess was white guy as it was at an educational setting. EDIT: and with a gun.
    Tbh does the creed or colour of a madman really matter?
    It's the only thing that matters to the 'multiculturalism doesn't work" crowd.

    A mass murder happens.

    "Ooo great. Hope it's a muslim!"

    It is ... a deluge of commentary ensues about how this can't go on, "enough is enough", close those borders, vote for those national populists, c'mon it's time, Trump shows the way, great big magnificent man.

    It isn't ... what's for tea tonight?
    Why do you mention the word Muslim in connection to a terrorist outrage.

    Why is that your go-to example.
    We must ask the people I was channeling. It's a good question.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,353
    Nigelb said:

    TOPPING said:

    Amazing news about the Coalisland shooting by our Hereford comrades.

    "Unjustified use of force" in killing those decent PIRA folk who were in a wagon with a 50cal stuck on its back having just shot up an RUC station.

    I mean I am as woke, lily-livered, right on, don't agree with immunity for soldiers where it is not justified as the next person but that is just bonkers. It's not as if they thought oh I know what, keep it a secret but we're going to take out an ASU for shits and giggles.

    FFS.

    It's a coroner's decision, so only of limited weight.

    On the face of it, looks a bullshit decision to me.
    Note the team was also carrying AKs; two were arrested having been wounded, and the IRA claimed others got away.

    (Also, the DShK was probably using ex Soviet 12.7mm ammo, rather than NATO 50cal.)
    Yes I have no doubt about the last bit. Not that the RUC officers in Coalisland will have been overly concerned about the calibre.
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,123
    Leon said:

    Trump is live on TV for the National Prayer Breakfast

    He is cracking quite good jokes about his mad hair. This is a different man to Trump 1.0

    I've thought for a few weeks that there's something different about Trump. He's still as bad as ever, but how he speaks and behaves isn't the same.

    I think it's because of the assassination attempt.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 43,911

    Leon said:

    MJW said:

    Leon said:

    MJW said:

    Leon said:

    kamski said:

    Leon said:

    kamski said:

    Leon said:

    kamski said:

    Good job no one speculated on the ethnicity of the Swedish shooter. No one did, right?

    https://x.com/adamemedia/status/1887240710757490999?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q


    OK I followed your link, and as it's X it is of course bollocks.

    Here's the BBC article:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crm71dmkjjyo

    The picture caption says

    "Ismail Moradi told the BBC he fears there was a racial element to the shooting"

    Can we just ban twitter from PB.com? it would reduce all the stupid misinformation that's posted here every day

    Here's the same bollocks from that lying shit MacaesBruno


    https://x.com/MacaesBruno/status/1887363904080138266/photo/1

    Note how he has clipped the picture to omit the picture caption, and doesn't include any of the actual article.
    Tut tut @Theuniondivvie
    The BBC article does seem to contain purely speculative bollocks, so should be criticised. But not for the reasons given by those twitterers. I've no idea who adamemedia is, but Bruno Maçães has a history of spreading misinformation.

    And in his book The Dawn of Eurasia he heaps praise on ultra-nationalist Turkish politician Doğu Perinçek, who denies the Armenian holocaust, and supports Erdoğan and Putin.
    They deliberately clipped the screenshot to do some race-baiting, is all. And @Theuniondivvie fell for it, hook line and sporran. Because he WANTED to believe it
    amazing how that keeps happening with some people and Twixter, isn't it?
    It’s a shame that Bruno Maceas has turned into a nutter. I’m not sure what did it, maybe Gaza, maybe something else. He used to be good value, During Brexit he was one of the few journalists willing to be equally critical of London and Brussels

    As for TwiX do you think misinfo happens because of Musk? Noooo. It happens because TwiX is where shit happens

    If Bluesky ever reaches 250m users and global salience then it too will be full of shit, and it will struggle to moderate it. It’s the nature of the beast

    On the upside, the world may be coming to an end but I am nearly through the worst of my Tramadol withdrawal so it’s not all bad
    Of course misinformation will happen on any platform that reaches a certain size. The problem on TwiX is that the owner deliberately promotes it all the time - whether personally by sharing fake stories, or by shoving bullshit into your feed via the algorithm. It's become basically unusable as a gague of opinion or discussion, or even a pleasant place to look at for a bit of a laugh. It's just become another shitty part of the internet. 4chan for cowards.

    The equivalent would be if Owen Jones, George Galloway, Corbyn and that woman who charges rich white people $2,000 to call them racist owned BlueSky and decided to push everything that accorded with some of their more objectionable views.

    Ultimately that will probably become more of a problem for the right than the left (especially in the UK due to its American focus), as Twitter's much less drastic left lean ended up being for the left when it deluded activists that they'd won arguments because they got thousands of likes from people agreeing with them, but had put off and shut up those who didn't.

    I take it you haven’t been to Bluesky then? If you want to see people trapped in a bubble, that’s where they are, and they are oblivious to the real world. And it’s a lefty bubble

    This will be far worse for them than TwiX is for the right

    Twats like @MattW hang out there and congratulate themselves on their good sense and finer feelings
    I've been on both, and I'd say TwiX is far worse - it's really quite odd switching between the two. Yes, BlueSky has its leans and it is too homogenous than it would ideally be - but importantly it allows you to tailor your own experience so if you want to try and follow as broader range as people as possible, and ignore the nutters you can.

    TwiX by comparison feels like a lunatic asylum and radicalisation machine where you see people who were sensible six months ago spout demonstrably false nutter opinions because that's what's been relentlessly been pumped into their timelines every day by its ketamine-addled king.

    As I think a friend - who is a bit pick and mix politically, doesn't like ultra-wokeness (and was once upon a time a fan of Elon) - said, he now prefers BlueSky while using both as while both have people spouting lunatic fringe opinions, on TwiX the angriest, maddest ones are the ones shoved in your face whether you like it or not, whereas BlueSky if you want to seek out people claiming pronouns make them feel unsafe, you can - but if you want to get on with life without that, it's easy.

    Both are obviously not the real world, and their own ideological silos to some extent - but I suspect one of them has users slightly more self-aware about it than the other and we're already seeing an example of a right-wing politician floundering by spending too much time on TwiX - Kemi Badenoch.
    And you get 4 likes for this palpable drivel

    QED
    Six now, keep up.
    It's gone viral!
  • kamskikamski Posts: 5,816

    Leon said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Leon said:

    Bank of England cut rate to 4.5%

    Growth forecast halved from 1.5 to .75

    That’s within the MoE of a year without growth. Total stagnancy

    This government likely won’t recover from this disastrous beginning. Still, great time to give Mauritius £18bn, eh?
    Come on, how will Starmer be able to show his face at Matrix Chambers to sue the UK for god knows what after he's booted out if he doesn't acquiesce with the right sort of opinions regarding ICJ rulings ?
    Think of how awkward the dinner parties with Sands and his friends will be.
    Isn't £18 Bn a mere pittance to save Starmer from personal embarrassment ?!
    I don’t believe the Chagos deal with go through now. It is so absurdly high profile and it could doom the government by itself

    People have no clue where these islands are, they mostly couldnt give a fuck, but EIGHTEEN BILLION QUID

    There is no way you can spin that

    There’s a very amusing TwiX thread saying “it’s like seeing a nice table in IKEA for sale for £175,000 and you go the till presuming it’s £175 because…. Surely not….”
    But before then came the biggest disaster of all, a Prada jumper from Harrods that even now makes me both angry and upset. By this stage I was doing alright financially. I could walk into a menswear department with optimism. And so when I saw this top with standard woollen arms but some weird half-cashmere, half-camelhair body, I thought, maybe, and when I tried it on and it fitted I thought, why not? To the till, a pleasant conversation ongoing with the shop assistant. Barcode under the scanner, a beep and a smile. ‘That will be £800, please.’ Eight hundred pounds! I was furious, first with the assistant and then myself. Why had there been no price on it? Actually that bit made sense. But why had he not warned me? Even worse, why did I then hand over my credit card, smoke coming out of my ears, rather than throwing the jumper in his face and the hanger on the floor? Instantly I resented the jumper too.
    Crouch, Peter. How to Be a Footballer.

    I thought that was going to be from some kind of UK fan-fiction version of American Psycho.

    Or maybe it is? How does the story go on?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,909
    Leon said:

    Trump is live on TV for the National Prayer Breakfast

    He is cracking quite good jokes about his mad hair. This is a different man to Trump 1.0

    Sleep Joe is a doddery old fool.

    Dodgy Donald is a DANGEROUSLY UNHINGED doddery old fool.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,436
    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    tlg86 said:

    ....

    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    Good job no one speculated on the ethnicity of the Swedish shooter. No one did, right?

    https://x.com/adamemedia/status/1887240710757490999?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    No, no one did

    That must annoy you
    At least two people on PB did.

    Leon said:

    Good job no one speculated on the ethnicity of the Swedish shooter. No one did, right?

    https://x.com/adamemedia/status/1887240710757490999?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    No, no one did

    That must annoy you
    Andy_JS did.

    We shouldn't speculate but what are the chances it was someone who'd been told to leave the country.

    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/5109561/#Comment_5109561
    I believe the two likes Leon spuriously received for his post should removed by the embarrassed likers.
    If it makes you feel better, my guess was white guy as it was at an educational setting. EDIT: and with a gun.
    Tbh does the creed or colour of a madman really matter?
    It's the only thing that matters to the 'multiculturalism doesn't work" crowd.

    A mass murder happens.

    "Ooo great. Hope it's a muslim!"

    It is ... a deluge of commentary ensues about how this can't go on, "enough is enough", close those borders, vote for those national populists, c'mon it's time, Trump shows the way, great big magnificent man.

    It isn't ... what's for tea tonight?
    Why do you mention the word Muslim in connection to a terrorist outrage.

    Why is that your go-to example.
    We must ask the people I was channeling. It's a good question.
    “channelling”
  • Driver said:

    Driver said:

    kamski said:

    Foxy said:

    Pretty damning scores.

    No one gets much more than a quarter of voters under "shares our values"

    I don't like the misleading way this polling is reported without showing don't knows
    eg 'An honest person' is in fact:

    Starmer Yes 31% No 46% Don't know 23% Net -15%
    Badenoch Yes 21% No 37% Don't know 43% Net -16%
    Farage Yes 24% No 50% Don't know 26% Net -26%
    Davey Yes 37% No 22% Don't know 41% Net +15%

    Badenoch's net 'honest person' is actually better than Farage's, and Davey's 37% is even more impressive given the numbers saying 'Don't know'

    https://www.ipsos.com/sites/default/files/ct/news/documents/2025-01/Ipsos January 2025_Political Pulse_Data Tables_PUBLIC_0.pdf

    Net for 'Shares my values' are bad though:

    Starmer -31%
    Badenoch -32%
    Farage -27%
    Davey -6%
    Which overall seems to cast the opinion of Badenoch as "probably just another politician until proven otherwise". Whether the irreconcilables like Jenrick and TSE will give her the time and space to have a chance to prove otherwise is a different question.
    There you go again, I voted for Badenoch and have said she should be given time, the issue is will the party give her time?
    I'm judging you by your influential headers which, I note, haven't yet mentioned the recent poll that showed the Tories leading - not by the inconsequential comments BTL.
    Other than Ipsos I try and avoid doing headers on voting intention figures from a single pollster.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 5,342
    eek said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Leon said:

    Bank of England cut rate to 4.5%

    Growth forecast halved from 1.5 to .75

    That’s within the MoE of a year without growth. Total stagnancy

    This government likely won’t recover from this disastrous beginning. Still, great time to give Mauritius £18bn, eh?
    Come on, how will Starmer be able to show his face at Matrix Chambers to sue the UK for god knows what after he's booted out if he doesn't acquiesce with the right sort of opinions regarding ICJ rulings ?
    Think of how awkward the dinner parties with Sands and his friends will be.
    Isn't £18 Bn a mere pittance to save Starmer from personal embarrassment ?!
    I don’t believe the Chagos deal with go through now. It is so absurdly high profile and it could doom the government by itself

    People have no clue where these islands are, they mostly couldnt give a fuck, but EIGHTEEN BILLION QUID

    There is no way you can spin that

    There’s a very amusing TwiX thread saying “it’s like seeing a nice table in IKEA for sale for £175,000 and you go the till presuming it’s £175 because…. Surely not….”
    When somebody asks you (as I imagine they must sometimes) how much you spend on carrots, do you first estimate how many times a month you have one, then times 12 to get your annual carrot trough, times the current cost per carrot, times the 25 years you hope to be eating carrots before the curtain falls and you go to the great hutch in the sky where carrots aren't available, and then uplift the total for projected inflation over those 25 years, and answer THREE THOUSAND POUNDS?
    The idea that we are giving the land to them and still paying money for it is insane.

    It’s like gifting a house to your children and then paying rent to life there
    It’s called Inheritance Tax planning.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,868
    kinabalu said:

    boulay said:

    kinabalu said:

    tlg86 said:

    ....

    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    Good job no one speculated on the ethnicity of the Swedish shooter. No one did, right?

    https://x.com/adamemedia/status/1887240710757490999?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    No, no one did

    That must annoy you
    At least two people on PB did.

    Leon said:

    Good job no one speculated on the ethnicity of the Swedish shooter. No one did, right?

    https://x.com/adamemedia/status/1887240710757490999?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    No, no one did

    That must annoy you
    Andy_JS did.

    We shouldn't speculate but what are the chances it was someone who'd been told to leave the country.

    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/5109561/#Comment_5109561
    I believe the two likes Leon spuriously received for his post should removed by the embarrassed likers.
    If it makes you feel better, my guess was white guy as it was at an educational setting. EDIT: and with a gun.
    Tbh does the creed or colour of a madman really matter?
    It's the only thing that matters to the 'multiculturalism doesn't work" crowd.

    A mass murder happens.

    "Ooo great. Hope it's a muslim!"

    It is ... a deluge of commentary ensues about how this can't go on, "enough is enough", close those borders, vote for those national populists, c'mon it's time, Trump shows the way, great big magnificent man.

    It isn't ... what's for tea tonight?
    Yes it’s only one way…

    There are people who actively hope it’s a Muslim as it bolsters their world view.

    There are people who actively hope it’s a far righty as it bolsters their world view.

    There are people who hope it’s not a far righty as it questions their world view.

    Thee are people who hope it’s not a Muslim as it questions their world view.

    Then there are people who have managed to realise by now that it’s best to wait and see as it can be Muslim, far right or just mentally disturbed people.
    And we are all in that final group. Let nobody say otherwise.

    Heard an interesting thing the other day. The point that there are some people (almost always young men) who are susceptible to violent extremism of any stripe. They might find it in the far right but could just as easily (the same person) find it in eco or religious fundamentalism or whatever.
    Interesting. There was a young guy who frequented my local pub back in my home town. Had always been a bit of a violent nutter. On one occasion he got up to the karaoke mike and started making racist rants about 'p*k*s' until the landlord told him to pipe down. Yet, a few years later, he was spotted hanging around with traditionally dressed young Muslim men. And after that he was pictured in The Mirror leading an anti-Covid-vaccine march in London.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,909
    Leon said:

    MJW said:

    Leon said:

    MJW said:

    Leon said:

    kamski said:

    Leon said:

    kamski said:

    Leon said:

    kamski said:

    Good job no one speculated on the ethnicity of the Swedish shooter. No one did, right?

    https://x.com/adamemedia/status/1887240710757490999?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q


    OK I followed your link, and as it's X it is of course bollocks.

    Here's the BBC article:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crm71dmkjjyo

    The picture caption says

    "Ismail Moradi told the BBC he fears there was a racial element to the shooting"

    Can we just ban twitter from PB.com? it would reduce all the stupid misinformation that's posted here every day

    Here's the same bollocks from that lying shit MacaesBruno


    https://x.com/MacaesBruno/status/1887363904080138266/photo/1

    Note how he has clipped the picture to omit the picture caption, and doesn't include any of the actual article.
    Tut tut @Theuniondivvie
    The BBC article does seem to contain purely speculative bollocks, so should be criticised. But not for the reasons given by those twitterers. I've no idea who adamemedia is, but Bruno Maçães has a history of spreading misinformation.

    And in his book The Dawn of Eurasia he heaps praise on ultra-nationalist Turkish politician Doğu Perinçek, who denies the Armenian holocaust, and supports Erdoğan and Putin.
    They deliberately clipped the screenshot to do some race-baiting, is all. And @Theuniondivvie fell for it, hook line and sporran. Because he WANTED to believe it
    amazing how that keeps happening with some people and Twixter, isn't it?
    It’s a shame that Bruno Maceas has turned into a nutter. I’m not sure what did it, maybe Gaza, maybe something else. He used to be good value, During Brexit he was one of the few journalists willing to be equally critical of London and Brussels

    As for TwiX do you think misinfo happens because of Musk? Noooo. It happens because TwiX is where shit happens

    If Bluesky ever reaches 250m users and global salience then it too will be full of shit, and it will struggle to moderate it. It’s the nature of the beast

    On the upside, the world may be coming to an end but I am nearly through the worst of my Tramadol withdrawal so it’s not all bad
    Of course misinformation will happen on any platform that reaches a certain size. The problem on TwiX is that the owner deliberately promotes it all the time - whether personally by sharing fake stories, or by shoving bullshit into your feed via the algorithm. It's become basically unusable as a gague of opinion or discussion, or even a pleasant place to look at for a bit of a laugh. It's just become another shitty part of the internet. 4chan for cowards.

    The equivalent would be if Owen Jones, George Galloway, Corbyn and that woman who charges rich white people $2,000 to call them racist owned BlueSky and decided to push everything that accorded with some of their more objectionable views.

    Ultimately that will probably become more of a problem for the right than the left (especially in the UK due to its American focus), as Twitter's much less drastic left lean ended up being for the left when it deluded activists that they'd won arguments because they got thousands of likes from people agreeing with them, but had put off and shut up those who didn't.

    I take it you haven’t been to Bluesky then? If you want to see people trapped in a bubble, that’s where they are, and they are oblivious to the real world. And it’s a lefty bubble

    This will be far worse for them than TwiX is for the right

    Twats like @MattW hang out there and congratulate themselves on their good sense and finer feelings
    I've been on both, and I'd say TwiX is far worse - it's really quite odd switching between the two. Yes, BlueSky has its leans and it is too homogenous than it would ideally be - but importantly it allows you to tailor your own experience so if you want to try and follow as broader range as people as possible, and ignore the nutters you can.

    TwiX by comparison feels like a lunatic asylum and radicalisation machine where you see people who were sensible six months ago spout demonstrably false nutter opinions because that's what's been relentlessly been pumped into their timelines every day by its ketamine-addled king.

    As I think a friend - who is a bit pick and mix politically, doesn't like ultra-wokeness (and was once upon a time a fan of Elon) - said, he now prefers BlueSky while using both as while both have people spouting lunatic fringe opinions, on TwiX the angriest, maddest ones are the ones shoved in your face whether you like it or not, whereas BlueSky if you want to seek out people claiming pronouns make them feel unsafe, you can - but if you want to get on with life without that, it's easy.

    Both are obviously not the real world, and their own ideological silos to some extent - but I suspect one of them has users slightly more self-aware about it than the other and we're already seeing an example of a right-wing politician floundering by spending too much time on TwiX - Kemi Badenoch.
    And you get 4 likes for this palpable drivel

    QED
    8 likes!
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,436
    CatMan said:

    Leon said:

    Trump is live on TV for the National Prayer Breakfast

    He is cracking quite good jokes about his mad hair. This is a different man to Trump 1.0

    I've thought for a few weeks that there's something different about Trump. He's still as bad as ever, but how he speaks and behaves isn't the same.

    I think it's because of the assassination attempt.
    It’s a mix of

    1. Genuinely finding God (because sassytempt)

    And

    2. The peace that comes with winning outright: he has conquered all his critics, they lie prone before him
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 43,911
    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    boulay said:

    kinabalu said:

    tlg86 said:

    ....

    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    Good job no one speculated on the ethnicity of the Swedish shooter. No one did, right?

    https://x.com/adamemedia/status/1887240710757490999?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    No, no one did

    That must annoy you
    At least two people on PB did.

    Leon said:

    Good job no one speculated on the ethnicity of the Swedish shooter. No one did, right?

    https://x.com/adamemedia/status/1887240710757490999?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    No, no one did

    That must annoy you
    Andy_JS did.

    We shouldn't speculate but what are the chances it was someone who'd been told to leave the country.

    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/5109561/#Comment_5109561
    I believe the two likes Leon spuriously received for his post should removed by the embarrassed likers.
    If it makes you feel better, my guess was white guy as it was at an educational setting. EDIT: and with a gun.
    Tbh does the creed or colour of a madman really matter?
    It's the only thing that matters to the 'multiculturalism doesn't work" crowd.

    A mass murder happens.

    "Ooo great. Hope it's a muslim!"

    It is ... a deluge of commentary ensues about how this can't go on, "enough is enough", close those borders, vote for those national populists, c'mon it's time, Trump shows the way, great big magnificent man.

    It isn't ... what's for tea tonight?
    Yes it’s only one way…

    There are people who actively hope it’s a Muslim as it bolsters their world view.

    There are people who actively hope it’s a far righty as it bolsters their world view.

    There are people who hope it’s not a far righty as it questions their world view.

    Thee are people who hope it’s not a Muslim as it questions their world view.

    Then there are people who have managed to realise by now that it’s best to wait and see as it can be Muslim, far right or just mentally disturbed people.
    And we are all in that final group. Let nobody say otherwise.

    Heard an interesting thing the other day. The point that there are some people (almost always young men) who are susceptible to violent extremism of any stripe. They might find it in the far right but could just as easily (the same person) find it in eco or religious fundamentalism or whatever.
    Why did you firstly and immediately associate terrorism with Islam?
    I sense you need things to slow down a little bit.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,775
    edited February 6

    Leon said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Leon said:

    Bank of England cut rate to 4.5%

    Growth forecast halved from 1.5 to .75

    That’s within the MoE of a year without growth. Total stagnancy

    This government likely won’t recover from this disastrous beginning. Still, great time to give Mauritius £18bn, eh?
    Come on, how will Starmer be able to show his face at Matrix Chambers to sue the UK for god knows what after he's booted out if he doesn't acquiesce with the right sort of opinions regarding ICJ rulings ?
    Think of how awkward the dinner parties with Sands and his friends will be.
    Isn't £18 Bn a mere pittance to save Starmer from personal embarrassment ?!
    I don’t believe the Chagos deal with go through now. It is so absurdly high profile and it could doom the government by itself

    People have no clue where these islands are, they mostly couldnt give a fuck, but EIGHTEEN BILLION QUID

    There is no way you can spin that

    There’s a very amusing TwiX thread saying “it’s like seeing a nice table in IKEA for sale for £175,000 and you go the till presuming it’s £175 because…. Surely not….”
    But before then came the biggest disaster of all, a Prada jumper from Harrods that even now makes me both angry and upset. By this stage I was doing alright financially. I could walk into a menswear department with optimism. And so when I saw this top with standard woollen arms but some weird half-cashmere, half-camelhair body, I thought, maybe, and when I tried it on and it fitted I thought, why not? To the till, a pleasant conversation ongoing with the shop assistant. Barcode under the scanner, a beep and a smile. ‘That will be £800, please.’ Eight hundred pounds! I was furious, first with the assistant and then myself. Why had there been no price on it? Actually that bit made sense. But why had he not warned me? Even worse, why did I then hand over my credit card, smoke coming out of my ears, rather than throwing the jumper in his face and the hanger on the floor? Instantly I resented the jumper too.
    Crouch, Peter. How to Be a Footballer.

    Quite nicely written. Hope he didn’t have a ghost..
  • Wheels may be falling off at Tesla. A precipitous drop in sales across Europe (despite big increases in sales of EVs) in Jan25 vs Jan 24 https://www.ft.com/content/ea2329e4-b4bc-4e2d-be34-e9a8ea31129c

    Musk needs to be careful that this doesn't become a trend. He may be less bothered by European sales, but will surely take notice in Murica. Sales dropping steeply in California too...
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 12,732
    eek said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Leon said:

    Bank of England cut rate to 4.5%

    Growth forecast halved from 1.5 to .75

    That’s within the MoE of a year without growth. Total stagnancy

    This government likely won’t recover from this disastrous beginning. Still, great time to give Mauritius £18bn, eh?
    Come on, how will Starmer be able to show his face at Matrix Chambers to sue the UK for god knows what after he's booted out if he doesn't acquiesce with the right sort of opinions regarding ICJ rulings ?
    Think of how awkward the dinner parties with Sands and his friends will be.
    Isn't £18 Bn a mere pittance to save Starmer from personal embarrassment ?!
    I don’t believe the Chagos deal with go through now. It is so absurdly high profile and it could doom the government by itself

    People have no clue where these islands are, they mostly couldnt give a fuck, but EIGHTEEN BILLION QUID

    There is no way you can spin that

    There’s a very amusing TwiX thread saying “it’s like seeing a nice table in IKEA for sale for £175,000 and you go the till presuming it’s £175 because…. Surely not….”
    When somebody asks you (as I imagine they must sometimes) how much you spend on carrots, do you first estimate how many times a month you have one, then times 12 to get your annual carrot trough, times the current cost per carrot, times the 25 years you hope to be eating carrots before the curtain falls and you go to the great hutch in the sky where carrots aren't available, and then uplift the total for projected inflation over those 25 years, and answer THREE THOUSAND POUNDS?
    The idea that we are giving the land to them and still paying money for it is insane.

    It’s like gifting a house to your children and then paying rent to life there
    We would be still paying money for it because we want to go on using it.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 43,911

    Leon said:

    MJW said:

    Leon said:

    MJW said:

    Leon said:

    kamski said:

    Leon said:

    kamski said:

    Leon said:

    kamski said:

    Good job no one speculated on the ethnicity of the Swedish shooter. No one did, right?

    https://x.com/adamemedia/status/1887240710757490999?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q


    OK I followed your link, and as it's X it is of course bollocks.

    Here's the BBC article:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crm71dmkjjyo

    The picture caption says

    "Ismail Moradi told the BBC he fears there was a racial element to the shooting"

    Can we just ban twitter from PB.com? it would reduce all the stupid misinformation that's posted here every day

    Here's the same bollocks from that lying shit MacaesBruno


    https://x.com/MacaesBruno/status/1887363904080138266/photo/1

    Note how he has clipped the picture to omit the picture caption, and doesn't include any of the actual article.
    Tut tut @Theuniondivvie
    The BBC article does seem to contain purely speculative bollocks, so should be criticised. But not for the reasons given by those twitterers. I've no idea who adamemedia is, but Bruno Maçães has a history of spreading misinformation.

    And in his book The Dawn of Eurasia he heaps praise on ultra-nationalist Turkish politician Doğu Perinçek, who denies the Armenian holocaust, and supports Erdoğan and Putin.
    They deliberately clipped the screenshot to do some race-baiting, is all. And @Theuniondivvie fell for it, hook line and sporran. Because he WANTED to believe it
    amazing how that keeps happening with some people and Twixter, isn't it?
    It’s a shame that Bruno Maceas has turned into a nutter. I’m not sure what did it, maybe Gaza, maybe something else. He used to be good value, During Brexit he was one of the few journalists willing to be equally critical of London and Brussels

    As for TwiX do you think misinfo happens because of Musk? Noooo. It happens because TwiX is where shit happens

    If Bluesky ever reaches 250m users and global salience then it too will be full of shit, and it will struggle to moderate it. It’s the nature of the beast

    On the upside, the world may be coming to an end but I am nearly through the worst of my Tramadol withdrawal so it’s not all bad
    Of course misinformation will happen on any platform that reaches a certain size. The problem on TwiX is that the owner deliberately promotes it all the time - whether personally by sharing fake stories, or by shoving bullshit into your feed via the algorithm. It's become basically unusable as a gague of opinion or discussion, or even a pleasant place to look at for a bit of a laugh. It's just become another shitty part of the internet. 4chan for cowards.

    The equivalent would be if Owen Jones, George Galloway, Corbyn and that woman who charges rich white people $2,000 to call them racist owned BlueSky and decided to push everything that accorded with some of their more objectionable views.

    Ultimately that will probably become more of a problem for the right than the left (especially in the UK due to its American focus), as Twitter's much less drastic left lean ended up being for the left when it deluded activists that they'd won arguments because they got thousands of likes from people agreeing with them, but had put off and shut up those who didn't.

    I take it you haven’t been to Bluesky then? If you want to see people trapped in a bubble, that’s where they are, and they are oblivious to the real world. And it’s a lefty bubble

    This will be far worse for them than TwiX is for the right

    Twats like @MattW hang out there and congratulate themselves on their good sense and finer feelings
    I've been on both, and I'd say TwiX is far worse - it's really quite odd switching between the two. Yes, BlueSky has its leans and it is too homogenous than it would ideally be - but importantly it allows you to tailor your own experience so if you want to try and follow as broader range as people as possible, and ignore the nutters you can.

    TwiX by comparison feels like a lunatic asylum and radicalisation machine where you see people who were sensible six months ago spout demonstrably false nutter opinions because that's what's been relentlessly been pumped into their timelines every day by its ketamine-addled king.

    As I think a friend - who is a bit pick and mix politically, doesn't like ultra-wokeness (and was once upon a time a fan of Elon) - said, he now prefers BlueSky while using both as while both have people spouting lunatic fringe opinions, on TwiX the angriest, maddest ones are the ones shoved in your face whether you like it or not, whereas BlueSky if you want to seek out people claiming pronouns make them feel unsafe, you can - but if you want to get on with life without that, it's easy.

    Both are obviously not the real world, and their own ideological silos to some extent - but I suspect one of them has users slightly more self-aware about it than the other and we're already seeing an example of a right-wing politician floundering by spending too much time on TwiX - Kemi Badenoch.
    And you get 4 likes for this palpable drivel

    QED
    8 likes!
    Deservedly so but still insufficient. One of the best posts on PB ever. Talk about nailing something.
  • Leon said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Leon said:

    Bank of England cut rate to 4.5%

    Growth forecast halved from 1.5 to .75

    That’s within the MoE of a year without growth. Total stagnancy

    This government likely won’t recover from this disastrous beginning. Still, great time to give Mauritius £18bn, eh?
    Come on, how will Starmer be able to show his face at Matrix Chambers to sue the UK for god knows what after he's booted out if he doesn't acquiesce with the right sort of opinions regarding ICJ rulings ?
    Think of how awkward the dinner parties with Sands and his friends will be.
    Isn't £18 Bn a mere pittance to save Starmer from personal embarrassment ?!
    I don’t believe the Chagos deal with go through now. It is so absurdly high profile and it could doom the government by itself

    People have no clue where these islands are, they mostly couldnt give a fuck, but EIGHTEEN BILLION QUID

    There is no way you can spin that

    There’s a very amusing TwiX thread saying “it’s like seeing a nice table in IKEA for sale for £175,000 and you go the till presuming it’s £175 because…. Surely not….”
    But before then came the biggest disaster of all, a Prada jumper from Harrods that even now makes me both angry and upset. By this stage I was doing alright financially. I could walk into a menswear department with optimism. And so when I saw this top with standard woollen arms but some weird half-cashmere, half-camelhair body, I thought, maybe, and when I tried it on and it fitted I thought, why not? To the till, a pleasant conversation ongoing with the shop assistant. Barcode under the scanner, a beep and a smile. ‘That will be £800, please.’ Eight hundred pounds! I was furious, first with the assistant and then myself. Why had there been no price on it? Actually that bit made sense. But why had he not warned me? Even worse, why did I then hand over my credit card, smoke coming out of my ears, rather than throwing the jumper in his face and the hanger on the floor? Instantly I resented the jumper too.
    Crouch, Peter. How to Be a Footballer.

    Quite nicely written. Hope he don’t have a ghost..
    He's very funny in person, I went to one of his Q&As.

    Audience member: What would you have been if you hadn't become a footballer?

    Peter Crouch: A virgin.
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,230
    Leon said:

    Who had all this on their bingo card?

    Stamer? - worst government ever

    Trump? - best president ever

    I mean, I feared Labour would disappoint and I wondered if Trump might surprise upside just because the bar was so low, but still…

    Call no man happy until he´s dead.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,021

    Wheels may be falling off at Tesla. A precipitous drop in sales across Europe (despite big increases in sales of EVs) in Jan25 vs Jan 24 https://www.ft.com/content/ea2329e4-b4bc-4e2d-be34-e9a8ea31129c

    Musk needs to be careful that this doesn't become a trend. He may be less bothered by European sales, but will surely take notice in Murica. Sales dropping steeply in California too...

    Musk is the worst human being that's ever lived and well overdue for a Luigi but Tesla are going to be just fine.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 74,117
    TOPPING said:

    Nigelb said:

    TOPPING said:

    Amazing news about the Coalisland shooting by our Hereford comrades.

    "Unjustified use of force" in killing those decent PIRA folk who were in a wagon with a 50cal stuck on its back having just shot up an RUC station.

    I mean I am as woke, lily-livered, right on, don't agree with immunity for soldiers where it is not justified as the next person but that is just bonkers. It's not as if they thought oh I know what, keep it a secret but we're going to take out an ASU for shits and giggles.

    FFS.

    It's a coroner's decision, so only of limited weight.

    On the face of it, looks a bullshit decision to me.
    Note the team was also carrying AKs; two were arrested having been wounded, and the IRA claimed others got away.

    (Also, the DShK was probably using ex Soviet 12.7mm ammo, rather than NATO 50cal.)
    Yes I have no doubt about the last bit. Not that the RUC officers in Coalisland will have been overly concerned about the calibre.
    The IRA were pissed, though.
    They felt the idiots should have attacked the police station from at least a mile away, given the weapon employed.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,353
    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    tlg86 said:

    ....

    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    Good job no one speculated on the ethnicity of the Swedish shooter. No one did, right?

    https://x.com/adamemedia/status/1887240710757490999?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    No, no one did

    That must annoy you
    At least two people on PB did.

    Leon said:

    Good job no one speculated on the ethnicity of the Swedish shooter. No one did, right?

    https://x.com/adamemedia/status/1887240710757490999?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    No, no one did

    That must annoy you
    Andy_JS did.

    We shouldn't speculate but what are the chances it was someone who'd been told to leave the country.

    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/5109561/#Comment_5109561
    I believe the two likes Leon spuriously received for his post should removed by the embarrassed likers.
    If it makes you feel better, my guess was white guy as it was at an educational setting. EDIT: and with a gun.
    Tbh does the creed or colour of a madman really matter?
    It's the only thing that matters to the 'multiculturalism doesn't work" crowd.

    A mass murder happens.

    "Ooo great. Hope it's a muslim!"

    It is ... a deluge of commentary ensues about how this can't go on, "enough is enough", close those borders, vote for those national populists, c'mon it's time, Trump shows the way, great big magnificent man.

    It isn't ... what's for tea tonight?
    Why do you mention the word Muslim in connection to a terrorist outrage.

    Why is that your go-to example.
    We must ask the people I was channeling. It's a good question.
    Why would you amplify or, to use the dictionary definition, emulate or seem to be inspired by such thinking.
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