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edited February 18 in General
The Trump dynasty – politicalbetting.com

Trump Jr. on poll showing him top 2028 GOP candidate: "Don’t get me in trouble" https://t.co/53FQL8Ky2o

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  • TazTaz Posts: 16,612
    edited January 24
    First like the Trumpdozer.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,021

    I hope @Richard_Tyndall is OK and is being paid an awful lot of money for what he's doing.

    Stay safe mate.

    Yeah, today’s the day when the seafarers and aviators earn their money. Best wishes to everyone working offshore.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 25,233
    edited January 24
    Third.

    This is one I have yet to see anti-Trumpers grapple with - what happens if the bugger or his acolytes get voted back in.

    The mainstream media and business are all kissing the ring and sucking the anointed dick, whilst anti-Trumpers are stoking up Court challengers and similar to slow the gradual collapse down by obfuscation and enforcing law, in anticipation of the mid-terms or end-term elections.

    But what if the Usonians, on average, actually want to bend over and get Trumped good and hard?
  • TazTaz Posts: 16,612
    Growth Agenda latest

    “Manufacturers have entered the New Year in a grim mood. Confidence has evaporated over the last three months as orders have dropped,” said Ben Jones, economist at the business group.

    “A fall in domestic deliveries comes amid widespread concerns over the impact of the increase in National Insurance contributions, minimum wages and changes to employment law on firms’ operating costs.”

    Much of the global manufacturing sector is struggling with German industry gripped by high energy prices, weak demand and stiff competition from Chinese car manufacturers, while China itself is also battling against an economic slump caused in part by a property crisis.


    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/factories-suffer-fastest-slump-in-orders-since-covid-hit/ar-AA1xK26z?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531&cvid=c4db0e3a75ca4649b6cc76d7b50f58bb&ei=13
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,742
    Taz said:

    Growth Agenda latest

    “Manufacturers have entered the New Year in a grim mood. Confidence has evaporated over the last three months as orders have dropped,” said Ben Jones, economist at the business group.

    “A fall in domestic deliveries comes amid widespread concerns over the impact of the increase in National Insurance contributions, minimum wages and changes to employment law on firms’ operating costs.”

    Much of the global manufacturing sector is struggling with German industry gripped by high energy prices, weak demand and stiff competition from Chinese car manufacturers, while China itself is also battling against an economic slump caused in part by a property crisis.


    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/factories-suffer-fastest-slump-in-orders-since-covid-hit/ar-AA1xK26z?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531&cvid=c4db0e3a75ca4649b6cc76d7b50f58bb&ei=13

    Labour just killing off what's left of manufacturing,

    Orders drying up, labour costs up and nobody wanting to invest.

    So much for growth growth growth.

    And while I complain about manufacturing from what I read the poor sods in retail are having it much worse
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,021
    boulay said:

    Sandpit said:

    I hope @Richard_Tyndall is OK and is being paid an awful lot of money for what he's doing.

    Stay safe mate.

    Yeah, today’s the day when the seafarers and aviators earn their money. Best wishes to everyone working offshore.
    I think you will find that today’s the day garden trampoline repairers earn their money.
    LOL, I assume that means yours is upside down and embedded in a hedge?
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,907
    Sandpit said:

    boulay said:

    Sandpit said:

    I hope @Richard_Tyndall is OK and is being paid an awful lot of money for what he's doing.

    Stay safe mate.

    Yeah, today’s the day when the seafarers and aviators earn their money. Best wishes to everyone working offshore.
    I think you will find that today’s the day garden trampoline repairers earn their money.
    LOL, I assume that means yours is upside down and embedded in a hedge?
    Thankfully I don’t have one as no children and the wind is not out of the ordinary here today for winter - F5/6 maybe 7 later. But no doubt social media and newspapers will be full of trampolines that have made a break for freedom.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 44,614
    Leon said:

    I’m in a rural Burmese town - Twantay - which is so rural I don’t think they’ve seen a white person for 40 years

    Walk down the street and people run out of the shops to have a look. One guy did a dangerous u-turn just to have a second glimpse. Children almost faint

    I mean, it could be my ruthless good looks but I don’t think so

    Possibly the last white person here was George Orwell. A copper stationed in Twantay in the 1920s

    Wasn't that the experience that turned him into an anti-imperialist and socialist?

    In which case, we can expect a different SeanT returning home...
  • MattWMattW Posts: 25,233
    Sandpit said:

    boulay said:

    Sandpit said:

    I hope @Richard_Tyndall is OK and is being paid an awful lot of money for what he's doing.

    Stay safe mate.

    Yeah, today’s the day when the seafarers and aviators earn their money. Best wishes to everyone working offshore.
    I think you will find that today’s the day garden trampoline repairers earn their money.
    LOL, I assume that means yours is upside down and embedded in a hedge?
    I lost a chunk of my garden wall last time several weeks ago.

    One shell of it collapsed a couple of years ago, and now the remaining side you can see through the gaps) blew down.

    I got a nice letter from the neighbours.
  • Sandpit said:

    boulay said:

    Sandpit said:

    I hope @Richard_Tyndall is OK and is being paid an awful lot of money for what he's doing.

    Stay safe mate.

    Yeah, today’s the day when the seafarers and aviators earn their money. Best wishes to everyone working offshore.
    I think you will find that today’s the day garden trampoline repairers earn their money.
    LOL, I assume that means yours is upside down and embedded in a hedge?
    From a previous storm.


  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,021
    edited January 24
    Taz said:

    Growth Agenda latest

    “Manufacturers have entered the New Year in a grim mood. Confidence has evaporated over the last three months as orders have dropped,” said Ben Jones, economist at the business group.

    “A fall in domestic deliveries comes amid widespread concerns over the impact of the increase in National Insurance contributions, minimum wages and changes to employment law on firms’ operating costs.”

    Much of the global manufacturing sector is struggling with German industry gripped by high energy prices, weak demand and stiff competition from Chinese car manufacturers, while China itself is also battling against an economic slump caused in part by a property crisis.


    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/factories-suffer-fastest-slump-in-orders-since-covid-hit/ar-AA1xK26z?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531&cvid=c4db0e3a75ca4649b6cc76d7b50f58bb&ei=13

    The West needs to quickly decide what to do about the Chinese cars. They’re good enough for people who just want transport, and about 20% cheaper than the Korean equivalents, 40% cheaper than the Japanese.
  • Why do I get the feeling Elon is about to get into a spat with the likes of the Auschwitz memorial museums.

    Elon Musk ‘is a mad extremist spreading poison’

    Head of the Buchenwald concentration camp memorial condemns the billionaire after his endorsement of the hard-right Alternative for Germany


    https://www.thetimes.com/world/europe/article/elon-musk-is-a-mad-extremist-spreading-poison-7b2g79mbp
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,907

    Sandpit said:

    boulay said:

    Sandpit said:

    I hope @Richard_Tyndall is OK and is being paid an awful lot of money for what he's doing.

    Stay safe mate.

    Yeah, today’s the day when the seafarers and aviators earn their money. Best wishes to everyone working offshore.
    I think you will find that today’s the day garden trampoline repairers earn their money.
    LOL, I assume that means yours is upside down and embedded in a hedge?
    From a previous storm.


    Ban them. A menace to society and a drain on A&E resources!
  • TazTaz Posts: 16,612

    Taz said:

    Growth Agenda latest

    “Manufacturers have entered the New Year in a grim mood. Confidence has evaporated over the last three months as orders have dropped,” said Ben Jones, economist at the business group.

    “A fall in domestic deliveries comes amid widespread concerns over the impact of the increase in National Insurance contributions, minimum wages and changes to employment law on firms’ operating costs.”

    Much of the global manufacturing sector is struggling with German industry gripped by high energy prices, weak demand and stiff competition from Chinese car manufacturers, while China itself is also battling against an economic slump caused in part by a property crisis.


    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/factories-suffer-fastest-slump-in-orders-since-covid-hit/ar-AA1xK26z?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531&cvid=c4db0e3a75ca4649b6cc76d7b50f58bb&ei=13

    Labour just killing off what's left of manufacturing,

    Orders drying up, labour costs up and nobody wanting to invest.

    So much for growth growth growth.

    And while I complain about manufacturing from what I read the poor sods in retail are having it much worse
    Much much worse and consumer confidence has tumbled too.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/steep-drop-in-consumer-confidence-amid-concerns-of-dark-days-ahead/ar-AA1xKINy?ocid=BingNewsSerp

    I am leaving end of next month where I work, Yesterday due to fallin order book and no real sign of an uptick they announced compulsory redundancies. I have been there over a decade and this has never happened before. The assumption is orders will pick up but this has been said for 12 months and it just does not happen and no sign of it happening.

    We sell consumables and equipment. We have not had an order for a piece of equipment for over 12 months now. Our customers have simply got no capex expenditure at the moment. We have only had a few enquiries too.

    The equipment we sell is the route to market for alot of our consumables. The razor and the razorblades analogy and it is just not happening.

    Reeves is definitely now making the right noises about growth and seems to be pivoting into the right approach however the damage has been done in the past 6 months.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,742
    Leon said:

    I’m in a rural Burmese town - Twantay - which is so rural I don’t think they’ve seen a white person for 40 years

    Walk down the street and people run out of the shops to have a look. One guy did a dangerous u-turn just to have a second glimpse. Children almost faint

    I mean, it could be my ruthless good looks but I don’t think so

    Possibly the last white person here was George Orwell. A copper stationed in Twantay in the 1920s

    I assume there is little left of George Orwell's time in Burma ? Moulmein is the place his family came from or Mawlamyine as it is today.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,021
    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Growth Agenda latest

    “Manufacturers have entered the New Year in a grim mood. Confidence has evaporated over the last three months as orders have dropped,” said Ben Jones, economist at the business group.

    “A fall in domestic deliveries comes amid widespread concerns over the impact of the increase in National Insurance contributions, minimum wages and changes to employment law on firms’ operating costs.”

    Much of the global manufacturing sector is struggling with German industry gripped by high energy prices, weak demand and stiff competition from Chinese car manufacturers, while China itself is also battling against an economic slump caused in part by a property crisis.


    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/factories-suffer-fastest-slump-in-orders-since-covid-hit/ar-AA1xK26z?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531&cvid=c4db0e3a75ca4649b6cc76d7b50f58bb&ei=13

    Labour just killing off what's left of manufacturing,

    Orders drying up, labour costs up and nobody wanting to invest.

    So much for growth growth growth.

    And while I complain about manufacturing from what I read the poor sods in retail are having it much worse
    Much much worse and consumer confidence has tumbled too.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/steep-drop-in-consumer-confidence-amid-concerns-of-dark-days-ahead/ar-AA1xKINy?ocid=BingNewsSerp

    I am leaving end of next month where I work, Yesterday due to fallin order book and no real sign of an uptick they announced compulsory redundancies. I have been there over a decade and this has never happened before. The assumption is orders will pick up but this has been said for 12 months and it just does not happen and no sign of it happening.

    We sell consumables and equipment. We have not had an order for a piece of equipment for over 12 months now. Our customers have simply got no capex expenditure at the moment. We have only had a few enquiries too.

    The equipment we sell is the route to market for alot of our consumables. The razor and the razorblades analogy and it is just not happening.

    Reeves is definitely now making the right noises about growth and seems to be pivoting into the right approach however the damage has been done in the past 6 months.
    Is it possible that Rachel from accounts is the only minister to ever come back from Davos with good ideas?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,440

    Leon said:

    I’m in a rural Burmese town - Twantay - which is so rural I don’t think they’ve seen a white person for 40 years

    Walk down the street and people run out of the shops to have a look. One guy did a dangerous u-turn just to have a second glimpse. Children almost faint

    I mean, it could be my ruthless good looks but I don’t think so

    Possibly the last white person here was George Orwell. A copper stationed in Twantay in the 1920s

    Wasn't that the experience that turned him into an anti-imperialist and socialist?

    In which case, we can expect a different SeanT returning home...
    Possibly, tho in a fine irony I can confirm that socialist anti-imperialism has done nothing for Myanmar

    It is unbelievably poor. About half the GDP per capita of India. And you can see it
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,783

    Leon said:

    I’m in a rural Burmese town - Twantay - which is so rural I don’t think they’ve seen a white person for 40 years

    Walk down the street and people run out of the shops to have a look. One guy did a dangerous u-turn just to have a second glimpse. Children almost faint

    I mean, it could be my ruthless good looks but I don’t think so

    Possibly the last white person here was George Orwell. A copper stationed in Twantay in the 1920s

    Wasn't that the experience that turned him into an anti-imperialist and socialist?

    In which case, we can expect a different SeanT returning home...
    Also helped turn Orwell into one of the most important writers of the 20th century, so…
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 9,541
    edited January 24
    Was planning a morning run before it kicked off but things are blowy already.

    I think there is an interesting story here about people who can WFH and those who can't. The buses and trains coming off is causing a great deal of strife, particularly at a time of the year when people are struggling with bills and need every shift they can get.

    In Edinburgh journeys are 39% public transport, 40% walking and cycling, 21% car.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 44,614
    boulay said:

    Sandpit said:

    boulay said:

    Sandpit said:

    I hope @Richard_Tyndall is OK and is being paid an awful lot of money for what he's doing.

    Stay safe mate.

    Yeah, today’s the day when the seafarers and aviators earn their money. Best wishes to everyone working offshore.
    I think you will find that today’s the day garden trampoline repairers earn their money.
    LOL, I assume that means yours is upside down and embedded in a hedge?
    From a previous storm.


    Ban them. A menace to society and a drain on A&E resources!
    Trampolines released from cruel captivity seem to be attracted to railways. Someone needs to do a study... ;)
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,742
    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Growth Agenda latest

    “Manufacturers have entered the New Year in a grim mood. Confidence has evaporated over the last three months as orders have dropped,” said Ben Jones, economist at the business group.

    “A fall in domestic deliveries comes amid widespread concerns over the impact of the increase in National Insurance contributions, minimum wages and changes to employment law on firms’ operating costs.”

    Much of the global manufacturing sector is struggling with German industry gripped by high energy prices, weak demand and stiff competition from Chinese car manufacturers, while China itself is also battling against an economic slump caused in part by a property crisis.


    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/factories-suffer-fastest-slump-in-orders-since-covid-hit/ar-AA1xK26z?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531&cvid=c4db0e3a75ca4649b6cc76d7b50f58bb&ei=13

    Labour just killing off what's left of manufacturing,

    Orders drying up, labour costs up and nobody wanting to invest.

    So much for growth growth growth.

    And while I complain about manufacturing from what I read the poor sods in retail are having it much worse
    Much much worse and consumer confidence has tumbled too.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/steep-drop-in-consumer-confidence-amid-concerns-of-dark-days-ahead/ar-AA1xKINy?ocid=BingNewsSerp

    I am leaving end of next month where I work, Yesterday due to fallin order book and no real sign of an uptick they announced compulsory redundancies. I have been there over a decade and this has never happened before. The assumption is orders will pick up but this has been said for 12 months and it just does not happen and no sign of it happening.
    :smile:
    We sell consumables and equipment. We have not had an order for a piece of equipment for over 12 months now. Our customers have simply got no capex expenditure at the moment. We have only had a few enquiries too.

    The equipment we sell is the route to market for alot of our consumables. The razor and the razorblades analogy and it is just not happening.

    Reeves is definitely now making the right noises about growth and seems to be pivoting into the right approach however the damage has been done in the past 6 months.
    I'm afraid I have lirrle confidence in Reeves. She has put growth in to reverse gear and the impact of her policies have yet to feed fully through. She evidently had no plan to get the economy growing and Labour is now trying to put one together and will have an internal battle to straighten things out first. The Net Zero versus growth dichotomy is just the first.
    Sad fact is Reeves will need to reverse lots of her policies ( see non doms ) and its whether she has the courage to recognise she was wrong and change. I doubt it.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,021
    Eabhal said:

    Was planning a morning run before it kicked off but things are blowy already.

    I think there is an interesting story here about people who can WFH and those who can't. The buses and trains coming off is causing a great deal of strife, particularly at a time of the year when people are struggling with bills and need every shift they can get.

    In Edinburgh journeys are 39% public transport, 40% walking and cycling, 21% car.

    Well there’s your problem. If everyone went to work by car there would be much less disruption today ;)
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,440

    Leon said:

    I’m in a rural Burmese town - Twantay - which is so rural I don’t think they’ve seen a white person for 40 years

    Walk down the street and people run out of the shops to have a look. One guy did a dangerous u-turn just to have a second glimpse. Children almost faint

    I mean, it could be my ruthless good looks but I don’t think so

    Possibly the last white person here was George Orwell. A copper stationed in Twantay in the 1920s

    Wasn't that the experience that turned him into an anti-imperialist and socialist?

    In which case, we can expect a different SeanT returning home...
    Also helped turn Orwell into one of the most important writers of the 20th century, so…
    He was here in the 1920s. Now I’m here in the 2020s…

    I wonder if Myanmar js the worst-governed-nation-on Earth. It’s a kind of slo-mo Asian Venezuela


  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,943
    Loyalty to Daddy- tick
    A name that will reassure low-information voters- tick

    But can he do what Donald Trump SenIleior can do, and hold a stadium of the faithful in his hand?

    The record of charismatic strongmen being able to transfer their gift to their favoured successor (whether that's their actual son, or the son they never had) isn't great.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 9,541
    Sandpit said:

    Eabhal said:

    Was planning a morning run before it kicked off but things are blowy already.

    I think there is an interesting story here about people who can WFH and those who can't. The buses and trains coming off is causing a great deal of strife, particularly at a time of the year when people are struggling with bills and need every shift they can get.

    In Edinburgh journeys are 39% public transport, 40% walking and cycling, 21% car.

    Well there’s your problem. If everyone went to work by car there would be much less disruption today ;)
    Haha. Curious to see what the substitution effect is - my partner is driving to work instead of PT or cycling today as a result. Reckon the bypass will be chaos.
  • TazTaz Posts: 16,612
    Sandpit said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Growth Agenda latest

    “Manufacturers have entered the New Year in a grim mood. Confidence has evaporated over the last three months as orders have dropped,” said Ben Jones, economist at the business group.

    “A fall in domestic deliveries comes amid widespread concerns over the impact of the increase in National Insurance contributions, minimum wages and changes to employment law on firms’ operating costs.”

    Much of the global manufacturing sector is struggling with German industry gripped by high energy prices, weak demand and stiff competition from Chinese car manufacturers, while China itself is also battling against an economic slump caused in part by a property crisis.


    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/factories-suffer-fastest-slump-in-orders-since-covid-hit/ar-AA1xK26z?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531&cvid=c4db0e3a75ca4649b6cc76d7b50f58bb&ei=13

    Labour just killing off what's left of manufacturing,

    Orders drying up, labour costs up and nobody wanting to invest.

    So much for growth growth growth.

    And while I complain about manufacturing from what I read the poor sods in retail are having it much worse
    Much much worse and consumer confidence has tumbled too.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/steep-drop-in-consumer-confidence-amid-concerns-of-dark-days-ahead/ar-AA1xKINy?ocid=BingNewsSerp

    I am leaving end of next month where I work, Yesterday due to fallin order book and no real sign of an uptick they announced compulsory redundancies. I have been there over a decade and this has never happened before. The assumption is orders will pick up but this has been said for 12 months and it just does not happen and no sign of it happening.

    We sell consumables and equipment. We have not had an order for a piece of equipment for over 12 months now. Our customers have simply got no capex expenditure at the moment. We have only had a few enquiries too.

    The equipment we sell is the route to market for alot of our consumables. The razor and the razorblades analogy and it is just not happening.

    Reeves is definitely now making the right noises about growth and seems to be pivoting into the right approach however the damage has been done in the past 6 months.
    Is it possible that Rachel from accounts is the only minister to ever come back from Davos with good ideas?
    A first in how many years ?

    And it looks like she really didn’t get any growth ideas of any value from the regulators. That’s a shock isn’t it 🤔

    https://x.com/sam_dumitriu/status/1882378861285191832?s=61
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,021
    Taz said:

    Sandpit said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Growth Agenda latest

    “Manufacturers have entered the New Year in a grim mood. Confidence has evaporated over the last three months as orders have dropped,” said Ben Jones, economist at the business group.

    “A fall in domestic deliveries comes amid widespread concerns over the impact of the increase in National Insurance contributions, minimum wages and changes to employment law on firms’ operating costs.”

    Much of the global manufacturing sector is struggling with German industry gripped by high energy prices, weak demand and stiff competition from Chinese car manufacturers, while China itself is also battling against an economic slump caused in part by a property crisis.


    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/factories-suffer-fastest-slump-in-orders-since-covid-hit/ar-AA1xK26z?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531&cvid=c4db0e3a75ca4649b6cc76d7b50f58bb&ei=13

    Labour just killing off what's left of manufacturing,

    Orders drying up, labour costs up and nobody wanting to invest.

    So much for growth growth growth.

    And while I complain about manufacturing from what I read the poor sods in retail are having it much worse
    Much much worse and consumer confidence has tumbled too.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/steep-drop-in-consumer-confidence-amid-concerns-of-dark-days-ahead/ar-AA1xKINy?ocid=BingNewsSerp

    I am leaving end of next month where I work, Yesterday due to fallin order book and no real sign of an uptick they announced compulsory redundancies. I have been there over a decade and this has never happened before. The assumption is orders will pick up but this has been said for 12 months and it just does not happen and no sign of it happening.

    We sell consumables and equipment. We have not had an order for a piece of equipment for over 12 months now. Our customers have simply got no capex expenditure at the moment. We have only had a few enquiries too.

    The equipment we sell is the route to market for alot of our consumables. The razor and the razorblades analogy and it is just not happening.

    Reeves is definitely now making the right noises about growth and seems to be pivoting into the right approach however the damage has been done in the past 6 months.
    Is it possible that Rachel from accounts is the only minister to ever come back from Davos with good ideas?
    A first in how many years ?

    And it looks like she really didn’t get any growth ideas of any value from the regulators. That’s a shock isn’t it 🤔

    https://x.com/sam_dumitriu/status/1882378861285191832?s=61
    The #NU10K in the regulation industry, want more #NU10K regulators and more regulations for them to enforce, who’d have guessed that?
  • I hope @Richard_Tyndall is OK and is being paid an awful lot of money for what he's doing.

    Stay safe mate.

    Yes. Don't give the writer of The Rig inspiration for Season 3...
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,185

    Leon said:

    I’m in a rural Burmese town - Twantay - which is so rural I don’t think they’ve seen a white person for 40 years

    Walk down the street and people run out of the shops to have a look. One guy did a dangerous u-turn just to have a second glimpse. Children almost faint

    I mean, it could be my ruthless good looks but I don’t think so

    Possibly the last white person here was George Orwell. A copper stationed in Twantay in the 1920s

    I assume there is little left of George Orwell's time in Burma ? Moulmein is the place his family came from or Mawlamyine as it is today.
    It's still much the same. Foreign companies extract primary resources, backed by military force, the people see no benefit.

    There is a lot of continuity in post colonial states.

  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 390

    Sandpit said:

    boulay said:

    Sandpit said:

    I hope @Richard_Tyndall is OK and is being paid an awful lot of money for what he's doing.

    Stay safe mate.

    Yeah, today’s the day when the seafarers and aviators earn their money. Best wishes to everyone working offshore.
    I think you will find that today’s the day garden trampoline repairers earn their money.
    LOL, I assume that means yours is upside down and embedded in a hedge?
    From a previous storm.


    "Hello. The Bat catcher is knackered. Order a new one."
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,783

    Loyalty to Daddy- tick
    A name that will reassure low-information voters- tick

    But can he do what Donald Trump SenIleior can do, and hold a stadium of the faithful in his hand?

    The record of charismatic strongmen being able to transfer their gift to their favoured successor (whether that's their actual son, or the son they never had) isn't great.

    Trump Sr is a freak of nature (take that how you will), the evidence for Don Jr being anything other than a beta with name recognition is sparse.
    Is the Kim dynasty the most successful non-royal dynasty in history? Maybe that’s why Trump feels he had a special relationship with the rocket man.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,872
    Leon said:

    I’m in a rural Burmese town - Twantay - which is so rural I don’t think they’ve seen a white person for 40 years

    Walk down the street and people run out of the shops to have a look. One guy did a dangerous u-turn just to have a second glimpse. Children almost faint

    I mean, it could be my ruthless good looks but I don’t think so

    Possibly the last white person here was George Orwell. A copper stationed in Twantay in the 1920s

    Were you wearing a pith helmet, and carrying a baton?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,872
    Eabhal said:

    Was planning a morning run before it kicked off but things are blowy already.

    I think there is an interesting story here about people who can WFH and those who can't. The buses and trains coming off is causing a great deal of strife, particularly at a time of the year when people are struggling with bills and need every shift they can get.

    In Edinburgh journeys are 39% public transport, 40% walking and cycling, 21% car.

    WFH works for white collar but not blue collar, and so effectively penalises lower earners.

    That said blue collar had the advantage during Covid because they were allowed to move around and avoid home grounding and cabin fever.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,031
    Dunno if DJTJ, who is basically Hunter Biden not on crack, has the sort of energy and work ethic required for a presidential campaign. If he's going to do it, then he should have a PAC set up now and be raising money, schmoozing donors, etc. He conspicuously isn't. The other road block is the guylinered psycho JDV who will, without doubt, run against DJTJ if there is an open primary.

    Ivanka is more likely, as DJT at least seems to like her.
  • Sandpit said:

    Taz said:

    Growth Agenda latest

    “Manufacturers have entered the New Year in a grim mood. Confidence has evaporated over the last three months as orders have dropped,” said Ben Jones, economist at the business group.

    “A fall in domestic deliveries comes amid widespread concerns over the impact of the increase in National Insurance contributions, minimum wages and changes to employment law on firms’ operating costs.”

    Much of the global manufacturing sector is struggling with German industry gripped by high energy prices, weak demand and stiff competition from Chinese car manufacturers, while China itself is also battling against an economic slump caused in part by a property crisis.


    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/factories-suffer-fastest-slump-in-orders-since-covid-hit/ar-AA1xK26z?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531&cvid=c4db0e3a75ca4649b6cc76d7b50f58bb&ei=13

    The West needs to quickly decide what to do about the Chinese cars. They’re good enough for people who just want transport, and about 20% cheaper than the Korean equivalents, 40% cheaper than the Japanese.
    It doesn't need to decide anything. China is building what the market wants. The west can do it - Stellantis and Renault are building what the market wants.

    "The West" is code for Germany. Whilst a couple of cars - Q4, i4 - have sold in decent numbers, my understanding is that a lot of money is lost on them. VAG, Mercedes & BMW have a simple choice - adapt or die. Stop building cars based around yuour previous business model - that model is dying.

    Same with Japan. Toyota idiotically pursued hydrogen despite its failure a decade ago, or to keep selling Hybrid Synergy Drive-equipped cars. Honda innovated and got scared, Nissan think the market owes them payback for their 2010 technology.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,209
    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Growth Agenda latest

    “Manufacturers have entered the New Year in a grim mood. Confidence has evaporated over the last three months as orders have dropped,” said Ben Jones, economist at the business group.

    “A fall in domestic deliveries comes amid widespread concerns over the impact of the increase in National Insurance contributions, minimum wages and changes to employment law on firms’ operating costs.”

    Much of the global manufacturing sector is struggling with German industry gripped by high energy prices, weak demand and stiff competition from Chinese car manufacturers, while China itself is also battling against an economic slump caused in part by a property crisis.


    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/factories-suffer-fastest-slump-in-orders-since-covid-hit/ar-AA1xK26z?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531&cvid=c4db0e3a75ca4649b6cc76d7b50f58bb&ei=13

    Labour just killing off what's left of manufacturing,

    Orders drying up, labour costs up and nobody wanting to invest.

    So much for growth growth growth.

    And while I complain about manufacturing from what I read the poor sods in retail are having it much worse
    Much much worse and consumer confidence has tumbled too.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/steep-drop-in-consumer-confidence-amid-concerns-of-dark-days-ahead/ar-AA1xKINy?ocid=BingNewsSerp

    I am leaving end of next month where I work, Yesterday due to fallin order book and no real sign of an uptick they announced compulsory redundancies. I have been there over a decade and this has never happened before. The assumption is orders will pick up but this has been said for 12 months and it just does not happen and no sign of it happening.

    We sell consumables and equipment. We have not had an order for a piece of equipment for over 12 months now. Our customers have simply got no capex expenditure at the moment. We have only had a few enquiries too.

    The equipment we sell is the route to market for alot of our consumables. The razor and the razorblades analogy and it is just not happening.

    Reeves is definitely now making the right noises about growth and seems to be pivoting into the right approach however the damage has been done in the past 6 months.
    My best wishes to you and all your colleagues for being able to find new work soon.

    Good morning, everybody.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,440
    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    I’m in a rural Burmese town - Twantay - which is so rural I don’t think they’ve seen a white person for 40 years

    Walk down the street and people run out of the shops to have a look. One guy did a dangerous u-turn just to have a second glimpse. Children almost faint

    I mean, it could be my ruthless good looks but I don’t think so

    Possibly the last white person here was George Orwell. A copper stationed in Twantay in the 1920s

    I assume there is little left of George Orwell's time in Burma ? Moulmein is the place his family came from or Mawlamyine as it is today.
    It's still much the same. Foreign companies extract primary resources, backed by military force, the people see no benefit.

    There is a lot of continuity in post colonial states.

    And yet Myanmar is poorer or much poorer than all of its neighbours, despite being overly blessed with resources
  • MattWMattW Posts: 25,233
    edited January 24
    Social media note.

    I put in a marker on Bluesky 4 days ago:

    From the Bluesky side, it had stabilised post Musk's end of the pier show at just under a million posts per day, and last night was at just over 28 million users, ticking up at perhaps 60-70k per day.
    https://bsky.jazco.dev/stats


    As of this morning, it is at 29.2 million accounts, so that is plus one million in 4 days - 250k per day. Obviously encouraged by Trump, and by Musk's gesture politics. And up from ~250k in August 2024.

    So on this trend minus a chunk, for it being a flurry, we'll be looking at ~50 million accounts by Easter, and numbers plus which communities / opinion leaders / organisations shift to Bluesky will make it clearer whether this will be a broader ecosystem.

    The PB Starter Pack is here:
    https://bsky.app/starter-pack/mattwardman.bsky.social/3lfk4fvp5yv26

    https://bsky.jazco.dev/stats
  • Eabhal said:

    Was planning a morning run before it kicked off but things are blowy already.

    I think there is an interesting story here about people who can WFH and those who can't. The buses and trains coming off is causing a great deal of strife, particularly at a time of the year when people are struggling with bills and need every shift they can get.

    In Edinburgh journeys are 39% public transport, 40% walking and cycling, 21% car.

    WFH works for white collar but not blue collar, and so effectively penalises lower earners.

    That said blue collar had the advantage during Covid because they were allowed to move around and avoid home grounding and cabin fever.
    My one Get out of Jail card during Covid was my status as an essential worker - complete with letter and everything should I need to show the Bill. Deployed at various points as the task of keeping food on the shelves became difficult.
  • TazTaz Posts: 16,612

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Growth Agenda latest

    “Manufacturers have entered the New Year in a grim mood. Confidence has evaporated over the last three months as orders have dropped,” said Ben Jones, economist at the business group.

    “A fall in domestic deliveries comes amid widespread concerns over the impact of the increase in National Insurance contributions, minimum wages and changes to employment law on firms’ operating costs.”

    Much of the global manufacturing sector is struggling with German industry gripped by high energy prices, weak demand and stiff competition from Chinese car manufacturers, while China itself is also battling against an economic slump caused in part by a property crisis.


    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/factories-suffer-fastest-slump-in-orders-since-covid-hit/ar-AA1xK26z?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531&cvid=c4db0e3a75ca4649b6cc76d7b50f58bb&ei=13

    Labour just killing off what's left of manufacturing,

    Orders drying up, labour costs up and nobody wanting to invest.

    So much for growth growth growth.

    And while I complain about manufacturing from what I read the poor sods in retail are having it much worse
    Much much worse and consumer confidence has tumbled too.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/steep-drop-in-consumer-confidence-amid-concerns-of-dark-days-ahead/ar-AA1xKINy?ocid=BingNewsSerp

    I am leaving end of next month where I work, Yesterday due to fallin order book and no real sign of an uptick they announced compulsory redundancies. I have been there over a decade and this has never happened before. The assumption is orders will pick up but this has been said for 12 months and it just does not happen and no sign of it happening.
    :smile:
    We sell consumables and equipment. We have not had an order for a piece of equipment for over 12 months now. Our customers have simply got no capex expenditure at the moment. We have only had a few enquiries too.

    The equipment we sell is the route to market for alot of our consumables. The razor and the razorblades analogy and it is just not happening.

    Reeves is definitely now making the right noises about growth and seems to be pivoting into the right approach however the damage has been done in the past 6 months.
    I'm afraid I have lirrle confidence in Reeves. She has put growth in to reverse gear and the impact of her policies have yet to feed fully through. She evidently had no plan to get the economy growing and Labour is now trying to put one together and will have an internal battle to straighten things out first. The Net Zero versus growth dichotomy is just the first.
    Sad fact is Reeves will need to reverse lots of her policies ( see non doms ) and its whether she has the courage to recognise she was wrong and change. I doubt it.
    She does seem to be doing a partial reverse on non doms and is now being attacked from the left as a consequence.

    She needs to do far more but over the last week, week and a half, she does seem to be doing some positive things on growth.

    I get the lack of confidence. She has done little to gain any and we are reaping the consequences of the doom and gloom rhetoric when labour came to power however if she does turn it around and does start doing positive things on growth then she has much to gain.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 25,233
    A short summary by a German of all the Nazi symbols, with context, origin, and who else uses them.

    17 minutes.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVlTZmrj2Vg
  • TazTaz Posts: 16,612

    Eabhal said:

    Was planning a morning run before it kicked off but things are blowy already.

    I think there is an interesting story here about people who can WFH and those who can't. The buses and trains coming off is causing a great deal of strife, particularly at a time of the year when people are struggling with bills and need every shift they can get.

    In Edinburgh journeys are 39% public transport, 40% walking and cycling, 21% car.

    WFH works for white collar but not blue collar, and so effectively penalises lower earners.

    That said blue collar had the advantage during Covid because they were allowed to move around and avoid home grounding and cabin fever.
    My one Get out of Jail card during Covid was my status as an essential worker - complete with letter and everything should I need to show the Bill. Deployed at various points as the task of keeping food on the shelves became difficult.
    I had a letter, my wife had a letter, most people I knew had them.

    Never got stopped by plod one either.
  • TazTaz Posts: 16,612
    AnneJGP said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Growth Agenda latest

    “Manufacturers have entered the New Year in a grim mood. Confidence has evaporated over the last three months as orders have dropped,” said Ben Jones, economist at the business group.

    “A fall in domestic deliveries comes amid widespread concerns over the impact of the increase in National Insurance contributions, minimum wages and changes to employment law on firms’ operating costs.”

    Much of the global manufacturing sector is struggling with German industry gripped by high energy prices, weak demand and stiff competition from Chinese car manufacturers, while China itself is also battling against an economic slump caused in part by a property crisis.


    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/factories-suffer-fastest-slump-in-orders-since-covid-hit/ar-AA1xK26z?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531&cvid=c4db0e3a75ca4649b6cc76d7b50f58bb&ei=13

    Labour just killing off what's left of manufacturing,

    Orders drying up, labour costs up and nobody wanting to invest.

    So much for growth growth growth.

    And while I complain about manufacturing from what I read the poor sods in retail are having it much worse
    Much much worse and consumer confidence has tumbled too.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/steep-drop-in-consumer-confidence-amid-concerns-of-dark-days-ahead/ar-AA1xKINy?ocid=BingNewsSerp

    I am leaving end of next month where I work, Yesterday due to fallin order book and no real sign of an uptick they announced compulsory redundancies. I have been there over a decade and this has never happened before. The assumption is orders will pick up but this has been said for 12 months and it just does not happen and no sign of it happening.

    We sell consumables and equipment. We have not had an order for a piece of equipment for over 12 months now. Our customers have simply got no capex expenditure at the moment. We have only had a few enquiries too.

    The equipment we sell is the route to market for alot of our consumables. The razor and the razorblades analogy and it is just not happening.

    Reeves is definitely now making the right noises about growth and seems to be pivoting into the right approach however the damage has been done in the past 6 months.
    My best wishes to you and all your colleagues for being able to find new work soon.

    Good morning, everybody.
    Thank you for your best wishes, these are good people who have been dedicated workers to the company often going over and above to deliver. I should have been cleared, my fault, In my case I am retirng.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,185
    edited January 24
    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    I’m in a rural Burmese town - Twantay - which is so rural I don’t think they’ve seen a white person for 40 years

    Walk down the street and people run out of the shops to have a look. One guy did a dangerous u-turn just to have a second glimpse. Children almost faint

    I mean, it could be my ruthless good looks but I don’t think so

    Possibly the last white person here was George Orwell. A copper stationed in Twantay in the 1920s

    I assume there is little left of George Orwell's time in Burma ? Moulmein is the place his family came from or Mawlamyine as it is today.
    It's still much the same. Foreign companies extract primary resources, backed by military force, the people see no benefit.

    There is a lot of continuity in post colonial states.

    And yet Myanmar is poorer or much poorer than all of its neighbours, despite being overly blessed with resources
    The resource curse is common to a lot of post-colonial states because it gives governments finance by selling concessions and not needing the consent of the people. This accrues to a patronage system of government that is fundamentally undemocratic and corrupt. A secondary effect is that it makes other forms of economic development uncompetitive, as the elite spends their money on foreign goods and the military.

    Not all resource states fall into this trap, but a high proportion do.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,021
    I know that to many he can do nothing right, but Trump asking his assistant to give the pen with which he signed the order to release the documents related to the deaths of his father and his uncle, to RFK Jr, was a class move.

    https://x.com/robbystarbuck/status/1882529493652484309
  • TazTaz Posts: 16,612
    Battlebus said:

    Sandpit said:

    boulay said:

    Sandpit said:

    I hope @Richard_Tyndall is OK and is being paid an awful lot of money for what he's doing.

    Stay safe mate.

    Yeah, today’s the day when the seafarers and aviators earn their money. Best wishes to everyone working offshore.
    I think you will find that today’s the day garden trampoline repairers earn their money.
    LOL, I assume that means yours is upside down and embedded in a hedge?
    From a previous storm.


    "Hello. The Bat catcher is knackered. Order a new one."
    Perhaps we could build another bat tunnel there.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,202
    MattW said:

    Social media note.

    I put in a marker on Bluesky 4 days ago:

    From the Bluesky side, it had stabilised post Musk's end of the pier show at just under a million posts per day, and last night was at just over 28 million users, ticking up at perhaps 60-70k per day.
    https://bsky.jazco.dev/stats


    As of this morning, it is at 29.2 million accounts, so that is plus one million in 4 days - 250k per day. Obviously encouraged by Trump, and by Musk's gesture politics. And up from ~250k in August 2024.

    So on this trend minus a chunk, for it being a flurry, we'll be looking at ~50 million accounts by Easter, and numbers plus which communities / opinion leaders / organisations shift to Bluesky will make it clearer whether this will be a broader ecosystem.

    The PB Starter Pack is here:
    https://bsky.app/starter-pack/mattwardman.bsky.social/3lfk4fvp5yv26

    https://bsky.jazco.dev/stats

    May end up making an account there. If I ever get around to it... taken me a few years to be a bit more active even on twitter.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,440
    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    I’m in a rural Burmese town - Twantay - which is so rural I don’t think they’ve seen a white person for 40 years

    Walk down the street and people run out of the shops to have a look. One guy did a dangerous u-turn just to have a second glimpse. Children almost faint

    I mean, it could be my ruthless good looks but I don’t think so

    Possibly the last white person here was George Orwell. A copper stationed in Twantay in the 1920s

    I assume there is little left of George Orwell's time in Burma ? Moulmein is the place his family came from or Mawlamyine as it is today.
    It's still much the same. Foreign companies extract primary resources, backed by military force, the people see no benefit.

    There is a lot of continuity in post colonial states.

    And yet Myanmar is poorer or much poorer than all of its neighbours, despite being overly blessed with resources
    The resource curse is common to a lot of post-colonial states because it gives governments finance by selling concessions and not needing the consent of the people. This accrues to a patronage system of government that is fundamentally undemocratic. A secondary effect is that it makes other forms of economic development uncompetitive, as the elite spends their money on foreign goods.

    Not all resource states fall into this trap, but a high proportion do.
    That’s certainly part of the Burmese problem - but it also has unique issues. A dominant but not hegemonic central ethnicity, prone to militarism, surrounded by a mosaic of different or actively hostile ethnicities - from the Rohingya Muslims to the Shan state and the Karen rebels

    Burma has essentially endured a civil war between all these since the British departed. Add in some desperately stupid socialism and bone headed autocracy and a nation which should be one of the richest in Asia has a sub Saharan gdp per capita of about $1200 - stupefyingly low - even Laos is richer
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 44,614
    Sandpit said:

    I know that to many he can do nothing right, but Trump asking his assistant to give the pen with which he signed the order to release the documents related to the deaths of his father and his uncle, to RFK Jr, was a class move.

    https://x.com/robbystarbuck/status/1882529493652484309

    Why?
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 5,345
    Leon said:

    I’m in a rural Burmese town - Twantay - which is so rural I don’t think they’ve seen a white person for 40 years

    Walk down the street and people run out of the shops to have a look. One guy did a dangerous u-turn just to have a second glimpse. Children almost faint

    I mean, it could be my ruthless good looks but I don’t think so

    Possibly the last white person here was George Orwell. A copper stationed in Twantay in the 1920s

    Leon said:

    I’m in a rural Burmese town - Twantay - which is so rural I don’t think they’ve seen a white person for 40 years

    Walk down the street and people run out of the shops to have a look. One guy did a dangerous u-turn just to have a second glimpse. Children almost faint

    I mean, it could be my ruthless good looks but I don’t think so

    Possibly the last white person here was George Orwell. A copper stationed in Twantay in the 1920s

    Standing on a corner in Twantay, Burma. Such a fine sight to see…
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,021
    Oh no, what a shame.

    https://x.com/igorsushko/status/1882609735347978351

    Russians gave unfettered access to military secrets to thousands of North Korean soldiers. This includes minefield maps, electronic warfare specs, and technical manuals, all without classified markings. Ukraine now has the data.
  • TazTaz Posts: 16,612
    MattW said:

    Social media note.

    I put in a marker on Bluesky 4 days ago:

    From the Bluesky side, it had stabilised post Musk's end of the pier show at just under a million posts per day, and last night was at just over 28 million users, ticking up at perhaps 60-70k per day.
    https://bsky.jazco.dev/stats


    As of this morning, it is at 29.2 million accounts, so that is plus one million in 4 days - 250k per day. Obviously encouraged by Trump, and by Musk's gesture politics. And up from ~250k in August 2024.

    So on this trend minus a chunk, for it being a flurry, we'll be looking at ~50 million accounts by Easter, and numbers plus which communities / opinion leaders / organisations shift to Bluesky will make it clearer whether this will be a broader ecosystem.

    The PB Starter Pack is here:
    https://bsky.app/starter-pack/mattwardman.bsky.social/3lfk4fvp5yv26

    https://bsky.jazco.dev/stats

    I am quite happy with twitter. I think there is much ramping of bluesky going on but twitter has first mover advantage.

    We will see but I think it is a lot of hoping from Bluesky fans and Bluesky does not seem especially welcoming of diverse views.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,021

    Sandpit said:

    I know that to many he can do nothing right, but Trump asking his assistant to give the pen with which he signed the order to release the documents related to the deaths of his father and his uncle, to RFK Jr, was a class move.

    https://x.com/robbystarbuck/status/1882529493652484309

    Why?
    Because Trump promised RFK Jr that he would declassify the files, and the pen used to sign the document now becomes a family heirloom.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 97,480
    The Trump boys dont have an ounce of their dad's weird anti charisma. They try, but it comes across like an act.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,578
    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Growth Agenda latest

    “Manufacturers have entered the New Year in a grim mood. Confidence has evaporated over the last three months as orders have dropped,” said Ben Jones, economist at the business group.

    “A fall in domestic deliveries comes amid widespread concerns over the impact of the increase in National Insurance contributions, minimum wages and changes to employment law on firms’ operating costs.”

    Much of the global manufacturing sector is struggling with German industry gripped by high energy prices, weak demand and stiff competition from Chinese car manufacturers, while China itself is also battling against an economic slump caused in part by a property crisis.


    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/factories-suffer-fastest-slump-in-orders-since-covid-hit/ar-AA1xK26z?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531&cvid=c4db0e3a75ca4649b6cc76d7b50f58bb&ei=13

    Labour just killing off what's left of manufacturing,

    Orders drying up, labour costs up and nobody wanting to invest.

    So much for growth growth growth.

    And while I complain about manufacturing from what I read the poor sods in retail are having it much worse
    Much much worse and consumer confidence has tumbled too.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/steep-drop-in-consumer-confidence-amid-concerns-of-dark-days-ahead/ar-AA1xKINy?ocid=BingNewsSerp

    I am leaving end of next month where I work, Yesterday due to fallin order book and no real sign of an uptick they announced compulsory redundancies. I have been there over a decade and this has never happened before. The assumption is orders will pick up but this has been said for 12 months and it just does not happen and no sign of it happening.
    :smile:
    We sell consumables and equipment. We have not had an order for a piece of equipment for over 12 months now. Our customers have simply got no capex expenditure at the moment. We have only had a few enquiries too.

    The equipment we sell is the route to market for alot of our consumables. The razor and the razorblades analogy and it is just not happening.

    Reeves is definitely now making the right noises about growth and seems to be pivoting into the right approach however the damage has been done in the past 6 months.
    I'm afraid I have lirrle confidence in Reeves. She has put growth in to reverse gear and the impact of her policies have yet to feed fully through. She evidently had no plan to get the economy growing and Labour is now trying to put one together and will have an internal battle to straighten things out first. The Net Zero versus growth dichotomy is just the first.
    Sad fact is Reeves will need to reverse lots of her policies ( see non doms ) and its whether she has the courage to recognise she was wrong and change. I doubt it.
    She does seem to be doing a partial reverse on non doms and is now being attacked from the left as a consequence.

    She needs to do far more but over the last week, week and a half, she does seem to be doing some positive things on growth.

    I get the lack of confidence. She has done little to gain any and we are reaping the consequences of the doom and gloom rhetoric when labour came to power however if she does turn it around and does start doing positive things on growth then she has much to gain.
    The Left need a reality check. If you want a world-class NHS, you need rich people to pay for it (even if they don't use it).

    Chasing the rich away may give warm fuzzy feelings to the Left. Until they have to start explaining the closure of hospital wards. Utter pillocks.
  • pm215pm215 Posts: 1,187
    Dura_Ace said:

    Dunno if DJTJ, who is basically Hunter Biden not on crack, has the sort of energy and work ethic required for a presidential campaign. If he's going to do it, then he should have a PAC set up now and be raising money, schmoozing donors, etc. He conspicuously isn't. The other road block is the guylinered psycho JDV who will, without doubt, run against DJTJ if there is an open primary.

    Ivanka is more likely, as DJT at least seems to like her.

    "Get the donors on board and the PAC set up" might not be the best plan if you're aiming for the "anointed successor" lane in the primary, though -- I doubt Trump would look terribly favourably on that kind of conspicuously visible presumption, especially this early, and you'd be hoping to basically inherit much of the funding sources anyway.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 5,345
    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    I’m in a rural Burmese town - Twantay - which is so rural I don’t think they’ve seen a white person for 40 years

    Walk down the street and people run out of the shops to have a look. One guy did a dangerous u-turn just to have a second glimpse. Children almost faint

    I mean, it could be my ruthless good looks but I don’t think so

    Possibly the last white person here was George Orwell. A copper stationed in Twantay in the 1920s

    I assume there is little left of George Orwell's time in Burma ? Moulmein is the place his family came from or Mawlamyine as it is today.
    It's still much the same. Foreign companies extract primary resources, backed by military force, the people see no benefit.

    There is a lot of continuity in post colonial states.

    And yet Myanmar is poorer or much poorer than all of its neighbours, despite being overly blessed with resources
    I bet the ruling junta aren’t poor.
  • kamskikamski Posts: 5,836
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    I’m in a rural Burmese town - Twantay - which is so rural I don’t think they’ve seen a white person for 40 years

    Walk down the street and people run out of the shops to have a look. One guy did a dangerous u-turn just to have a second glimpse. Children almost faint

    I mean, it could be my ruthless good looks but I don’t think so

    Possibly the last white person here was George Orwell. A copper stationed in Twantay in the 1920s

    Wasn't that the experience that turned him into an anti-imperialist and socialist?

    In which case, we can expect a different SeanT returning home...
    Possibly, tho in a fine irony I can confirm that socialist anti-imperialism has done nothing for Myanmar

    It is unbelievably poor. About half the GDP per capita of India. And you can see it
    Myanmar only has a sixth of the GDP per capita of neighboring Thailand. British Empire fans please explain.
  • TazTaz Posts: 16,612
    John Healey on GMB praising Trump for his leadership on Russia and Ukraine.

    Now getting some facile questions about Trump pardoning Ross Ulbricht from the guy who presents Lingo.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,783
    Leon said:

    MattW said:

    Social media note.

    I put in a marker on Bluesky 4 days ago:

    From the Bluesky side, it had stabilised post Musk's end of the pier show at just under a million posts per day, and last night was at just over 28 million users, ticking up at perhaps 60-70k per day.
    https://bsky.jazco.dev/stats


    As of this morning, it is at 29.2 million accounts, so that is plus one million in 4 days - 250k per day. Obviously encouraged by Trump, and by Musk's gesture politics. And up from ~250k in August 2024.

    So on this trend minus a chunk, for it being a flurry, we'll be looking at ~50 million accounts by Easter, and numbers plus which communities / opinion leaders / organisations shift to Bluesky will make it clearer whether this will be a broader ecosystem.

    The PB Starter Pack is here:
    https://bsky.app/starter-pack/mattwardman.bsky.social/3lfk4fvp5yv26

    https://bsky.jazco.dev/stats

    For bluesky to truly succeed it desperately needs a lot of centrist and, especially, right wing accounts to move

    I see no sign of that. Bluesky is actively hostile to these people

    So we will end up with two different but similar Twitter-like places and even less interaction between left and right. Not good
    Opinions may differ on what ‘centrist’ means, Bluesky seems pretty centrist to me.
    I agree that there needs to be some grit in the oyster, but then twitter/X seems to have become entirely grit (or rhyming word). The only reason I haven’t transferred to Bluesky is that I’m a lazy cnut.
  • TazTaz Posts: 16,612

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Growth Agenda latest

    “Manufacturers have entered the New Year in a grim mood. Confidence has evaporated over the last three months as orders have dropped,” said Ben Jones, economist at the business group.

    “A fall in domestic deliveries comes amid widespread concerns over the impact of the increase in National Insurance contributions, minimum wages and changes to employment law on firms’ operating costs.”

    Much of the global manufacturing sector is struggling with German industry gripped by high energy prices, weak demand and stiff competition from Chinese car manufacturers, while China itself is also battling against an economic slump caused in part by a property crisis.


    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/factories-suffer-fastest-slump-in-orders-since-covid-hit/ar-AA1xK26z?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531&cvid=c4db0e3a75ca4649b6cc76d7b50f58bb&ei=13

    Labour just killing off what's left of manufacturing,

    Orders drying up, labour costs up and nobody wanting to invest.

    So much for growth growth growth.

    And while I complain about manufacturing from what I read the poor sods in retail are having it much worse
    Much much worse and consumer confidence has tumbled too.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/steep-drop-in-consumer-confidence-amid-concerns-of-dark-days-ahead/ar-AA1xKINy?ocid=BingNewsSerp

    I am leaving end of next month where I work, Yesterday due to fallin order book and no real sign of an uptick they announced compulsory redundancies. I have been there over a decade and this has never happened before. The assumption is orders will pick up but this has been said for 12 months and it just does not happen and no sign of it happening.
    :smile:
    We sell consumables and equipment. We have not had an order for a piece of equipment for over 12 months now. Our customers have simply got no capex expenditure at the moment. We have only had a few enquiries too.

    The equipment we sell is the route to market for alot of our consumables. The razor and the razorblades analogy and it is just not happening.

    Reeves is definitely now making the right noises about growth and seems to be pivoting into the right approach however the damage has been done in the past 6 months.
    I'm afraid I have lirrle confidence in Reeves. She has put growth in to reverse gear and the impact of her policies have yet to feed fully through. She evidently had no plan to get the economy growing and Labour is now trying to put one together and will have an internal battle to straighten things out first. The Net Zero versus growth dichotomy is just the first.
    Sad fact is Reeves will need to reverse lots of her policies ( see non doms ) and its whether she has the courage to recognise she was wrong and change. I doubt it.
    She does seem to be doing a partial reverse on non doms and is now being attacked from the left as a consequence.

    She needs to do far more but over the last week, week and a half, she does seem to be doing some positive things on growth.

    I get the lack of confidence. She has done little to gain any and we are reaping the consequences of the doom and gloom rhetoric when labour came to power however if she does turn it around and does start doing positive things on growth then she has much to gain.
    The Left need a reality check. If you want a world-class NHS, you need rich people to pay for it (even if they don't use it).

    Chasing the rich away may give warm fuzzy feelings to the Left. Until they have to start explaining the closure of hospital wards. Utter pillocks.
    Their solution will be "wealth tax now" and demand the rich pay their "fair share"

    TUSC on Twitter was one of the strongest critics. We need a new party of the left apparently, as Reeves is a Tory.

    There is a view on the left, or a part of it, that the wealthy pay no tax at all.

  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 44,614
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    I know that to many he can do nothing right, but Trump asking his assistant to give the pen with which he signed the order to release the documents related to the deaths of his father and his uncle, to RFK Jr, was a class move.

    https://x.com/robbystarbuck/status/1882529493652484309

    Why?
    Because Trump promised RFK Jr that he would declassify the files, and the pen used to sign the document now becomes a family heirloom.
    Why is that a 'class move' ?

    I mean, I know you think anything Trump and the GOP does is golden, but even you're sifting the dregs now.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,829
    kle4 said:

    The Trump boys dont have an ounce of their dad's weird anti charisma. They try, but it comes across like an act.

    Ivanka and Lara are also potential successors to the crown. Personally I think it'll be a Vance/Trump ticket in 2028; in that order.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,367

    Sandpit said:

    Taz said:

    Growth Agenda latest

    “Manufacturers have entered the New Year in a grim mood. Confidence has evaporated over the last three months as orders have dropped,” said Ben Jones, economist at the business group.

    “A fall in domestic deliveries comes amid widespread concerns over the impact of the increase in National Insurance contributions, minimum wages and changes to employment law on firms’ operating costs.”

    Much of the global manufacturing sector is struggling with German industry gripped by high energy prices, weak demand and stiff competition from Chinese car manufacturers, while China itself is also battling against an economic slump caused in part by a property crisis.


    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/factories-suffer-fastest-slump-in-orders-since-covid-hit/ar-AA1xK26z?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531&cvid=c4db0e3a75ca4649b6cc76d7b50f58bb&ei=13

    The West needs to quickly decide what to do about the Chinese cars. They’re good enough for people who just want transport, and about 20% cheaper than the Korean equivalents, 40% cheaper than the Japanese.
    It doesn't need to decide anything. China is building what the market wants. The west can do it - Stellantis and Renault are building what the market wants.

    "The West" is code for Germany. Whilst a couple of cars - Q4, i4 - have sold in decent numbers, my understanding is that a lot of money is lost on them. VAG, Mercedes & BMW have a simple choice - adapt or die. Stop building cars based around yuour previous business model - that model is dying.

    Same with Japan. Toyota idiotically pursued hydrogen despite its failure a decade ago, or to keep selling Hybrid Synergy Drive-equipped cars. Honda innovated and got scared, Nissan think the market owes them payback for their 2010 technology.
    Part of the problem, as we were discussing the other day, is that the EV nature of electric cars trumps brand value. Friends have swapped Jaguar for MG and Mercedes for Tesla, for instance.

    So what have the Germans got besides status? Performance! Except, oh dear, EVs accelerate faster.

    Comfort? EVs have less engine noise to mask and engine vibration to damp.

    So even quite basic EVs have all the things that for ICE cars commanded a premium: badge appeal; luxury; performance.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,533
    Pulpstar said:

    kle4 said:

    The Trump boys dont have an ounce of their dad's weird anti charisma. They try, but it comes across like an act.

    Ivanka and Lara are also potential successors to the crown. Personally I think it'll be a Vance/Trump ticket in 2028; in that order.
    It would be quite uncharacteristic for Trump not to fall out with someone for 4 whole years. Certainly didn't happen in his last administration.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,440
    kamski said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    I’m in a rural Burmese town - Twantay - which is so rural I don’t think they’ve seen a white person for 40 years

    Walk down the street and people run out of the shops to have a look. One guy did a dangerous u-turn just to have a second glimpse. Children almost faint

    I mean, it could be my ruthless good looks but I don’t think so

    Possibly the last white person here was George Orwell. A copper stationed in Twantay in the 1920s

    Wasn't that the experience that turned him into an anti-imperialist and socialist?

    In which case, we can expect a different SeanT returning home...
    Possibly, tho in a fine irony I can confirm that socialist anti-imperialism has done nothing for Myanmar

    It is unbelievably poor. About half the GDP per capita of India. And you can see it
    Myanmar only has a sixth of the GDP per capita of neighboring Thailand. British Empire fans please explain.
    Myanmar is one of those countries where they’d almost certainly be better off if the British had stayed - and some people will say it (it’s a popular sentiment amongst the minority peoples in Myanmar)

    Sri Lanka is another candidate

    That said, the idea might be less appealing now it means being ultimately governed by Keir Starmer. As he’d probably try and give them - plus a free pot noodle - to Pyongyang
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,021
    edited January 24

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    I know that to many he can do nothing right, but Trump asking his assistant to give the pen with which he signed the order to release the documents related to the deaths of his father and his uncle, to RFK Jr, was a class move.

    https://x.com/robbystarbuck/status/1882529493652484309

    Why?
    Because Trump promised RFK Jr that he would declassify the files, and the pen used to sign the document now becomes a family heirloom.
    Why is that a 'class move' ?

    I mean, I know you think anything Trump and the GOP does is golden, but even you're sifting the dregs now.
    Jeez, why do you make things personal again?

    If someone close to me was running for office and made a specific pledge to me about something to do with my family, being presented with the pen used to sign the order would be a massive privilege.

    RFK Jr saw both his father and his uncle assassinated.
  • kamskikamski Posts: 5,836
    a
    DavidL said:

    Pulpstar said:

    kle4 said:

    The Trump boys dont have an ounce of their dad's weird anti charisma. They try, but it comes across like an act.

    Ivanka and Lara are also potential successors to the crown. Personally I think it'll be a Vance/Trump ticket in 2028; in that order.
    It would be quite uncharacteristic for Trump not to fall out with someone for 4 whole years. Certainly didn't happen in his last administration.
    He just pardoned all the people who tried to hang his last VP, so it's a bit more dangerous to fall out with him this time around. Vance will wait until Trump drops dead before disagreeing with him about anything.
  • kamskikamski Posts: 5,836
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    I know that to many he can do nothing right, but Trump asking his assistant to give the pen with which he signed the order to release the documents related to the deaths of his father and his uncle, to RFK Jr, was a class move.

    https://x.com/robbystarbuck/status/1882529493652484309

    Why?
    Because Trump promised RFK Jr that he would declassify the files, and the pen used to sign the document now becomes a family heirloom.
    Why is that a 'class move' ?

    I mean, I know you think anything Trump and the GOP does is golden, but even you're sifting the dregs now.
    Jeez, why do you make things personal again?

    If someone close to me was running for office and made a specific pledge to me about something to do with my family, being presented with the pen used to sign the order would be a massive privilege.
    It's still just a gift from one lying grifter to another. Also most of the Kennedy family are not fans of RFK Jr.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,367
    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Growth Agenda latest

    “Manufacturers have entered the New Year in a grim mood. Confidence has evaporated over the last three months as orders have dropped,” said Ben Jones, economist at the business group.

    “A fall in domestic deliveries comes amid widespread concerns over the impact of the increase in National Insurance contributions, minimum wages and changes to employment law on firms’ operating costs.”

    Much of the global manufacturing sector is struggling with German industry gripped by high energy prices, weak demand and stiff competition from Chinese car manufacturers, while China itself is also battling against an economic slump caused in part by a property crisis.


    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/factories-suffer-fastest-slump-in-orders-since-covid-hit/ar-AA1xK26z?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531&cvid=c4db0e3a75ca4649b6cc76d7b50f58bb&ei=13

    Labour just killing off what's left of manufacturing,

    Orders drying up, labour costs up and nobody wanting to invest.

    So much for growth growth growth.

    And while I complain about manufacturing from what I read the poor sods in retail are having it much worse
    Much much worse and consumer confidence has tumbled too.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/steep-drop-in-consumer-confidence-amid-concerns-of-dark-days-ahead/ar-AA1xKINy?ocid=BingNewsSerp

    I am leaving end of next month where I work, Yesterday due to fallin order book and no real sign of an uptick they announced compulsory redundancies. I have been there over a decade and this has never happened before. The assumption is orders will pick up but this has been said for 12 months and it just does not happen and no sign of it happening.
    :smile:
    We sell consumables and equipment. We have not had an order for a piece of equipment for over 12 months now. Our customers have simply got no capex expenditure at the moment. We have only had a few enquiries too.

    The equipment we sell is the route to market for alot of our consumables. The razor and the razorblades analogy and it is just not happening.

    Reeves is definitely now making the right noises about growth and seems to be pivoting into the right approach however the damage has been done in the past 6 months.
    I'm afraid I have lirrle confidence in Reeves. She has put growth in to reverse gear and the impact of her policies have yet to feed fully through. She evidently had no plan to get the economy growing and Labour is now trying to put one together and will have an internal battle to straighten things out first. The Net Zero versus growth dichotomy is just the first.
    Sad fact is Reeves will need to reverse lots of her policies ( see non doms ) and its whether she has the courage to recognise she was wrong and change. I doubt it.
    She does seem to be doing a partial reverse on non doms and is now being attacked from the left as a consequence.

    She needs to do far more but over the last week, week and a half, she does seem to be doing some positive things on growth.

    I get the lack of confidence. She has done little to gain any and we are reaping the consequences of the doom and gloom rhetoric when labour came to power however if she does turn it around and does start doing positive things on growth then she has much to gain.
    The Left need a reality check. If you want a world-class NHS, you need rich people to pay for it (even if they don't use it).

    Chasing the rich away may give warm fuzzy feelings to the Left. Until they have to start explaining the closure of hospital wards. Utter pillocks.
    Their solution will be "wealth tax now" and demand the rich pay their "fair share"

    TUSC on Twitter was one of the strongest critics. We need a new party of the left apparently, as Reeves is a Tory.

    There is a view on the left, or a part of it, that the wealthy pay no tax at all.

    Theresa May was right about citizens of nowhere – who knew?

    And others are starting to notice what PB discussed years ago: that taxing ecommerce in the shape of Apple or Amazon runs slap-bang into American protectionism. The White House believes either that their tech giants should not be taxed, or that they should be taxed in America on worldwide profits (and is quite up to the task of holding both positions simultaneously).
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,085
    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    I’m in a rural Burmese town - Twantay - which is so rural I don’t think they’ve seen a white person for 40 years

    Walk down the street and people run out of the shops to have a look. One guy did a dangerous u-turn just to have a second glimpse. Children almost faint

    I mean, it could be my ruthless good looks but I don’t think so

    Possibly the last white person here was George Orwell. A copper stationed in Twantay in the 1920s

    I assume there is little left of George Orwell's time in Burma ? Moulmein is the place his family came from or Mawlamyine as it is today.
    It's still much the same. Foreign companies extract primary resources, backed by military force, the people see no benefit.

    There is a lot of continuity in post colonial states.

    And yet Myanmar is poorer or much poorer than all of its neighbours, despite being overly blessed with resources
    The resource curse is common to a lot of post-colonial states because it gives governments finance by selling concessions and not needing the consent of the people. This accrues to a patronage system of government that is fundamentally undemocratic and corrupt. A secondary effect is that it makes other forms of economic development uncompetitive, as the elite spends their money on foreign goods and the military.

    Not all resource states fall into this trap, but a high proportion do.
    A post colonial State is probably better off without much in the way of natural resources, but with some good harbours. That way, they have to rely upon trading to get richer, which in turn requires a fairly honest government that avoids lunatic policies.

    Big powers realised quickly enough, (with the exception of Russia), that it's far cheaper to buy resources from the local elites who largely administered the colonies, rather than recruit an army of occupation to extract those resources.

  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 23,708
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    I know that to many he can do nothing right, but Trump asking his assistant to give the pen with which he signed the order to release the documents related to the deaths of his father and his uncle, to RFK Jr, was a class move.

    https://x.com/robbystarbuck/status/1882529493652484309

    Why?
    Because Trump promised RFK Jr that he would declassify the files, and the pen used to sign the document now becomes a family heirloom.
    Why is that a 'class move' ?

    I mean, I know you think anything Trump and the GOP does is golden, but even you're sifting the dregs now.
    Jeez, why do you make things personal again?

    If someone close to me was running for office and made a specific pledge to me about something to do with my family, being presented with the pen used to sign the order would be a massive privilege.

    RFK Jr saw both his father and his uncle assassinated.
    It is really sweet how the global billionaire elite look after each other, in exchange for favours of course. Really warms my heart.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 9,541
    edited January 24
    Leon said:

    MattW said:

    Social media note.

    I put in a marker on Bluesky 4 days ago:

    From the Bluesky side, it had stabilised post Musk's end of the pier show at just under a million posts per day, and last night was at just over 28 million users, ticking up at perhaps 60-70k per day.
    https://bsky.jazco.dev/stats


    As of this morning, it is at 29.2 million accounts, so that is plus one million in 4 days - 250k per day. Obviously encouraged by Trump, and by Musk's gesture politics. And up from ~250k in August 2024.

    So on this trend minus a chunk, for it being a flurry, we'll be looking at ~50 million accounts by Easter, and numbers plus which communities / opinion leaders / organisations shift to Bluesky will make it clearer whether this will be a broader ecosystem.

    The PB Starter Pack is here:
    https://bsky.app/starter-pack/mattwardman.bsky.social/3lfk4fvp5yv26

    https://bsky.jazco.dev/stats

    For bluesky to truly succeed it desperately needs a lot of centrist and, especially, right wing accounts to move

    I see no sign of that. Bluesky is actively hostile to these people

    So we will end up with two different but similar Twitter-like places and even less interaction between left and right. Not good
    Actively hostile?

    (Looks at twitter DMs). I could bring Police Scotland to a shuddering halt if I were to report every violent threat I've received on twitter. The blame for this division lies squarely with the social media firm that allows someone who advocates for a beaver reintroductions or a cycle lane here or there to receive that volume of abuse.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 23,708
    Why does the US need another election in 2028? The people have spoken.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,135
    On topic, I think it is highly possible Trump Jr. will be top of the ticket in 2028.

    The party is totally captured by Trump now and if he directs his base to support his son (with a “I will be behind him” messaging to suggest he will still have a sizeable influence) I think they’ll go for it. Vance is just useful for the now - the track record of Trump continuing to back those he’s worked with is very patchy at best. He and the family will turn on him if/when it is expedient to do so.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,440

    Leon said:

    MattW said:

    Social media note.

    I put in a marker on Bluesky 4 days ago:

    From the Bluesky side, it had stabilised post Musk's end of the pier show at just under a million posts per day, and last night was at just over 28 million users, ticking up at perhaps 60-70k per day.
    https://bsky.jazco.dev/stats


    As of this morning, it is at 29.2 million accounts, so that is plus one million in 4 days - 250k per day. Obviously encouraged by Trump, and by Musk's gesture politics. And up from ~250k in August 2024.

    So on this trend minus a chunk, for it being a flurry, we'll be looking at ~50 million accounts by Easter, and numbers plus which communities / opinion leaders / organisations shift to Bluesky will make it clearer whether this will be a broader ecosystem.

    The PB Starter Pack is here:
    https://bsky.app/starter-pack/mattwardman.bsky.social/3lfk4fvp5yv26

    https://bsky.jazco.dev/stats

    For bluesky to truly succeed it desperately needs a lot of centrist and, especially, right wing accounts to move

    I see no sign of that. Bluesky is actively hostile to these people

    So we will end up with two different but similar Twitter-like places and even less interaction between left and right. Not good
    Opinions may differ on what ‘centrist’ means, Bluesky seems pretty centrist to me.
    I agree that there needs to be some grit in the oyster, but then twitter/X seems to have become entirely grit (or rhyming word). The only reason I haven’t transferred to Bluesky is that I’m a lazy cnut.
    Bluesky is the most echoey echo chamber I’ve ever encountered. I really don’t think it’s good for the left if they all hide over there, they will the be constantly surprised - in an unpleasant way - by the real world

    Because Bluesky is even less like reality than TwiX

    On the other hand it is definitely a nicer, calmer place to chat about fairly non contentious intellectual things. To meet archeologists and lexicologists

    It’s a terrible place to have a political argument
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,440
    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    MattW said:

    Social media note.

    I put in a marker on Bluesky 4 days ago:

    From the Bluesky side, it had stabilised post Musk's end of the pier show at just under a million posts per day, and last night was at just over 28 million users, ticking up at perhaps 60-70k per day.
    https://bsky.jazco.dev/stats


    As of this morning, it is at 29.2 million accounts, so that is plus one million in 4 days - 250k per day. Obviously encouraged by Trump, and by Musk's gesture politics. And up from ~250k in August 2024.

    So on this trend minus a chunk, for it being a flurry, we'll be looking at ~50 million accounts by Easter, and numbers plus which communities / opinion leaders / organisations shift to Bluesky will make it clearer whether this will be a broader ecosystem.

    The PB Starter Pack is here:
    https://bsky.app/starter-pack/mattwardman.bsky.social/3lfk4fvp5yv26

    https://bsky.jazco.dev/stats

    For bluesky to truly succeed it desperately needs a lot of centrist and, especially, right wing accounts to move

    I see no sign of that. Bluesky is actively hostile to these people

    So we will end up with two different but similar Twitter-like places and even less interaction between left and right. Not good
    Actively hostile?

    (Looks at twitter DMs). I could bring Police Scotland to a shuddering halt if I were to report every violent threat I've received on twitter. The blame for this division lies squarely with the social media firm that allows someone who advocates for a beaver reintroductions or a cycle lane here or there to receive that volume of abuse.
    Sure, but conversely if Bluesky ever does take off with a wide range of opinion then you will get that on Bluesky as well (indeed there are already early reports of bullying and harrassment on Bluesky - which could be seen as a good sign of its growth)
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,533
    edited January 24
    kamski said:

    a

    DavidL said:

    Pulpstar said:

    kle4 said:

    The Trump boys dont have an ounce of their dad's weird anti charisma. They try, but it comes across like an act.

    Ivanka and Lara are also potential successors to the crown. Personally I think it'll be a Vance/Trump ticket in 2028; in that order.
    It would be quite uncharacteristic for Trump not to fall out with someone for 4 whole years. Certainly didn't happen in his last administration.
    He just pardoned all the people who tried to hang his last VP, so it's a bit more dangerous to fall out with him this time around. Vance will wait until Trump drops dead before disagreeing with him about anything.
    When the real RFK was AG he insisted on having a hotline telephone on his desk so that he could call J Edgar Hoover when he wanted to. When he got back from his brother's funeral it was gone. I can see Vance treating any mini Trumps forming any part of the administration the same. Its really a question of how long Donald Trump lives.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 44,614
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    I know that to many he can do nothing right, but Trump asking his assistant to give the pen with which he signed the order to release the documents related to the deaths of his father and his uncle, to RFK Jr, was a class move.

    https://x.com/robbystarbuck/status/1882529493652484309

    Why?
    Because Trump promised RFK Jr that he would declassify the files, and the pen used to sign the document now becomes a family heirloom.
    Why is that a 'class move' ?

    I mean, I know you think anything Trump and the GOP does is golden, but even you're sifting the dregs now.
    Jeez, why do you make things personal again?

    If someone close to me was running for office and made a specific pledge to me about something to do with my family, being presented with the pen used to sign the order would be a massive privilege.

    RFK Jr saw both his father and his uncle assassinated.
    Because your position on things is obviously utterly inconsistent. You massively ramp both Trump and the GOP, yet claim to be pro-Ukraine. You do not even try to explain these contradictory positions, even when the GOP's delay to aid last year cost Ukraine land and people.

    RFK Jr has killed many people to make money through his antivax grift. You get excited over a pen.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 23,708
    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Growth Agenda latest

    “Manufacturers have entered the New Year in a grim mood. Confidence has evaporated over the last three months as orders have dropped,” said Ben Jones, economist at the business group.

    “A fall in domestic deliveries comes amid widespread concerns over the impact of the increase in National Insurance contributions, minimum wages and changes to employment law on firms’ operating costs.”

    Much of the global manufacturing sector is struggling with German industry gripped by high energy prices, weak demand and stiff competition from Chinese car manufacturers, while China itself is also battling against an economic slump caused in part by a property crisis.


    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/factories-suffer-fastest-slump-in-orders-since-covid-hit/ar-AA1xK26z?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531&cvid=c4db0e3a75ca4649b6cc76d7b50f58bb&ei=13

    Labour just killing off what's left of manufacturing,

    Orders drying up, labour costs up and nobody wanting to invest.

    So much for growth growth growth.

    And while I complain about manufacturing from what I read the poor sods in retail are having it much worse
    Much much worse and consumer confidence has tumbled too.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/steep-drop-in-consumer-confidence-amid-concerns-of-dark-days-ahead/ar-AA1xKINy?ocid=BingNewsSerp

    I am leaving end of next month where I work, Yesterday due to fallin order book and no real sign of an uptick they announced compulsory redundancies. I have been there over a decade and this has never happened before. The assumption is orders will pick up but this has been said for 12 months and it just does not happen and no sign of it happening.
    :smile:
    We sell consumables and equipment. We have not had an order for a piece of equipment for over 12 months now. Our customers have simply got no capex expenditure at the moment. We have only had a few enquiries too.

    The equipment we sell is the route to market for alot of our consumables. The razor and the razorblades analogy and it is just not happening.

    Reeves is definitely now making the right noises about growth and seems to be pivoting into the right approach however the damage has been done in the past 6 months.
    I'm afraid I have lirrle confidence in Reeves. She has put growth in to reverse gear and the impact of her policies have yet to feed fully through. She evidently had no plan to get the economy growing and Labour is now trying to put one together and will have an internal battle to straighten things out first. The Net Zero versus growth dichotomy is just the first.
    Sad fact is Reeves will need to reverse lots of her policies ( see non doms ) and its whether she has the courage to recognise she was wrong and change. I doubt it.
    She does seem to be doing a partial reverse on non doms and is now being attacked from the left as a consequence.

    She needs to do far more but over the last week, week and a half, she does seem to be doing some positive things on growth.

    I get the lack of confidence. She has done little to gain any and we are reaping the consequences of the doom and gloom rhetoric when labour came to power however if she does turn it around and does start doing positive things on growth then she has much to gain.
    The Left need a reality check. If you want a world-class NHS, you need rich people to pay for it (even if they don't use it).

    Chasing the rich away may give warm fuzzy feelings to the Left. Until they have to start explaining the closure of hospital wards. Utter pillocks.
    Their solution will be "wealth tax now" and demand the rich pay their "fair share"

    TUSC on Twitter was one of the strongest critics. We need a new party of the left apparently, as Reeves is a Tory.

    There is a view on the left, or a part of it, that the wealthy pay no tax at all.

    The actual paid tax rates of the very wealthy show that is not true, but some of the very wealthy do pay very little.

    For those earning over £3m a quarter pay about 40% tax, whereas another quarter pay just 10% tax.

    That 10% is a problem that has to be tackled.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,021
    edited January 24
    Leon said:

    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    MattW said:

    Social media note.

    I put in a marker on Bluesky 4 days ago:

    From the Bluesky side, it had stabilised post Musk's end of the pier show at just under a million posts per day, and last night was at just over 28 million users, ticking up at perhaps 60-70k per day.
    https://bsky.jazco.dev/stats


    As of this morning, it is at 29.2 million accounts, so that is plus one million in 4 days - 250k per day. Obviously encouraged by Trump, and by Musk's gesture politics. And up from ~250k in August 2024.

    So on this trend minus a chunk, for it being a flurry, we'll be looking at ~50 million accounts by Easter, and numbers plus which communities / opinion leaders / organisations shift to Bluesky will make it clearer whether this will be a broader ecosystem.

    The PB Starter Pack is here:
    https://bsky.app/starter-pack/mattwardman.bsky.social/3lfk4fvp5yv26

    https://bsky.jazco.dev/stats

    For bluesky to truly succeed it desperately needs a lot of centrist and, especially, right wing accounts to move

    I see no sign of that. Bluesky is actively hostile to these people

    So we will end up with two different but similar Twitter-like places and even less interaction between left and right. Not good
    Actively hostile?

    (Looks at twitter DMs). I could bring Police Scotland to a shuddering halt if I were to report every violent threat I've received on twitter. The blame for this division lies squarely with the social media firm that allows someone who advocates for a beaver reintroductions or a cycle lane here or there to receive that volume of abuse.
    Sure, but conversely if Bluesky ever does take off with a wide range of opinion then you will get that on Bluesky as well (indeed there are already early reports of bullying and harrassment on Bluesky - which could be seen as a good sign of its growth)
    Except that Blusky has no intention of hosting a debate.

    One of Trump’s supporters had her account blocked within minutes of her creating it, having posted precisely nothing.

    https://x.com/lauraloomer/status/1873538332308992320
  • glwglw Posts: 10,169
    MattW said:

    Third.

    This is one I have yet to see anti-Trumpers grapple with - what happens if the bugger or his acolytes get voted back in.

    The mainstream media and business are all kissing the ring and sucking the anointed dick, whilst anti-Trumpers are stoking up Court challengers and similar to slow the gradual collapse down by obfuscation and enforcing law, in anticipation of the mid-terms or end-term elections.

    But what if the Usonians, on average, actually want to bend over and get Trumped good and hard?

    That's the end of the American era, which frankly appears to be on the cards right now anyway.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,440
    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    MattW said:

    Social media note.

    I put in a marker on Bluesky 4 days ago:

    From the Bluesky side, it had stabilised post Musk's end of the pier show at just under a million posts per day, and last night was at just over 28 million users, ticking up at perhaps 60-70k per day.
    https://bsky.jazco.dev/stats


    As of this morning, it is at 29.2 million accounts, so that is plus one million in 4 days - 250k per day. Obviously encouraged by Trump, and by Musk's gesture politics. And up from ~250k in August 2024.

    So on this trend minus a chunk, for it being a flurry, we'll be looking at ~50 million accounts by Easter, and numbers plus which communities / opinion leaders / organisations shift to Bluesky will make it clearer whether this will be a broader ecosystem.

    The PB Starter Pack is here:
    https://bsky.app/starter-pack/mattwardman.bsky.social/3lfk4fvp5yv26

    https://bsky.jazco.dev/stats

    For bluesky to truly succeed it desperately needs a lot of centrist and, especially, right wing accounts to move

    I see no sign of that. Bluesky is actively hostile to these people

    So we will end up with two different but similar Twitter-like places and even less interaction between left and right. Not good
    Actively hostile?

    (Looks at twitter DMs). I could bring Police Scotland to a shuddering halt if I were to report every violent threat I've received on twitter. The blame for this division lies squarely with the social media firm that allows someone who advocates for a beaver reintroductions or a cycle lane here or there to receive that volume of abuse.
    Sure, but conversely if Bluesky ever does take off with a wide range of opinion then you will get that on Bluesky as well (indeed there are already early reports of bullying and harrassment on Bluesky - which could be seen as a good sign of its growth)
    Except that Blusky has no intention of hosting a debate.

    One of Trump’s supporters had her account blocked within minutes of her creating it, having posted precisely nothing.

    https://x.com/lauraloomer/status/1873538332308992320
    Indeed so. That’s my experience. Which is why I don’t think it will make the leap from sizeable niche to global public square

    It is also incredibly hostile to certain *subjects*
  • glwglw Posts: 10,169
    Sandpit said:

    Except that Blusky has no intention of hosting a debate.

    One of Trump’s supporters had her account blocked within minutes of her creating it, having posted precisely nothing.

    https://x.com/lauraloomer/status/1873538332308992320

    Yeah but her reputation precedes her. She is a total nutjob. I'm not surprised she would be getting blocked.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,384
    What might have been...

    https://x.com/CLondoner92/status/1882167603788906521

    @CLondoner92
    #TfL Freedom of Information release:
    Proposed London Overground line names in 2015 when Boris Johnson was Mayor
    "We can confirm that a total of £10,175 was spent on customer research on the proposed line name changes."

    https://t.co/OWmUOuXPpu


    Barking line
    East London line
    Emerson Park line
    Lea Valley line
    North London line
    Watford local line
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,367
    On topic, Don Jr is susceptible to attack for his father's failures regardless of his own position.

    Here is a 30-seconds video of a 2016 primary debate in which Trump destroyed Jeb Bush by attacking his brother, GWB.
    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/31ZW8Cs7lNY
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,021
    edited January 24
    glw said:

    Sandpit said:

    Except that Blusky has no intention of hosting a debate.

    One of Trump’s supporters had her account blocked within minutes of her creating it, having posted precisely nothing.

    https://x.com/lauraloomer/status/1873538332308992320

    Yeah but her reputation precedes her. She is a total nutjob. I'm not surprised she would be getting blocked.
    She’s a high-profile Trump supporter. Banning her for who she is, rather than anything she actually said on the platform, is indicative of how the platform wants to run themselves, much like old Twitter.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 23,708
    tlg86 said:

    What might have been...

    https://x.com/CLondoner92/status/1882167603788906521

    @CLondoner92
    #TfL Freedom of Information release:
    Proposed London Overground line names in 2015 when Boris Johnson was Mayor
    "We can confirm that a total of £10,175 was spent on customer research on the proposed line name changes."

    https://t.co/OWmUOuXPpu


    Barking line
    East London line
    Emerson Park line
    Lea Valley line
    North London line
    Watford local line

    3 of the 12 tube lines were named after just one family.....
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,533

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Growth Agenda latest

    “Manufacturers have entered the New Year in a grim mood. Confidence has evaporated over the last three months as orders have dropped,” said Ben Jones, economist at the business group.

    “A fall in domestic deliveries comes amid widespread concerns over the impact of the increase in National Insurance contributions, minimum wages and changes to employment law on firms’ operating costs.”

    Much of the global manufacturing sector is struggling with German industry gripped by high energy prices, weak demand and stiff competition from Chinese car manufacturers, while China itself is also battling against an economic slump caused in part by a property crisis.


    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/factories-suffer-fastest-slump-in-orders-since-covid-hit/ar-AA1xK26z?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531&cvid=c4db0e3a75ca4649b6cc76d7b50f58bb&ei=13

    Labour just killing off what's left of manufacturing,

    Orders drying up, labour costs up and nobody wanting to invest.

    So much for growth growth growth.

    And while I complain about manufacturing from what I read the poor sods in retail are having it much worse
    Much much worse and consumer confidence has tumbled too.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/steep-drop-in-consumer-confidence-amid-concerns-of-dark-days-ahead/ar-AA1xKINy?ocid=BingNewsSerp

    I am leaving end of next month where I work, Yesterday due to fallin order book and no real sign of an uptick they announced compulsory redundancies. I have been there over a decade and this has never happened before. The assumption is orders will pick up but this has been said for 12 months and it just does not happen and no sign of it happening.
    :smile:
    We sell consumables and equipment. We have not had an order for a piece of equipment for over 12 months now. Our customers have simply got no capex expenditure at the moment. We have only had a few enquiries too.

    The equipment we sell is the route to market for alot of our consumables. The razor and the razorblades analogy and it is just not happening.

    Reeves is definitely now making the right noises about growth and seems to be pivoting into the right approach however the damage has been done in the past 6 months.
    I'm afraid I have lirrle confidence in Reeves. She has put growth in to reverse gear and the impact of her policies have yet to feed fully through. She evidently had no plan to get the economy growing and Labour is now trying to put one together and will have an internal battle to straighten things out first. The Net Zero versus growth dichotomy is just the first.
    Sad fact is Reeves will need to reverse lots of her policies ( see non doms ) and its whether she has the courage to recognise she was wrong and change. I doubt it.
    Strong evidence to support what you had been hearing about hospitality and retail: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9vmrpdrk4eo

    Record numbers of firms in distress, particularly in these sectors. It is really hard to see how we avoid a recession early this year and a significant jump in unemployment.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 9,541
    edited January 24
    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    MattW said:

    Social media note.

    I put in a marker on Bluesky 4 days ago:

    From the Bluesky side, it had stabilised post Musk's end of the pier show at just under a million posts per day, and last night was at just over 28 million users, ticking up at perhaps 60-70k per day.
    https://bsky.jazco.dev/stats


    As of this morning, it is at 29.2 million accounts, so that is plus one million in 4 days - 250k per day. Obviously encouraged by Trump, and by Musk's gesture politics. And up from ~250k in August 2024.

    So on this trend minus a chunk, for it being a flurry, we'll be looking at ~50 million accounts by Easter, and numbers plus which communities / opinion leaders / organisations shift to Bluesky will make it clearer whether this will be a broader ecosystem.

    The PB Starter Pack is here:
    https://bsky.app/starter-pack/mattwardman.bsky.social/3lfk4fvp5yv26

    https://bsky.jazco.dev/stats

    For bluesky to truly succeed it desperately needs a lot of centrist and, especially, right wing accounts to move

    I see no sign of that. Bluesky is actively hostile to these people

    So we will end up with two different but similar Twitter-like places and even less interaction between left and right. Not good
    Actively hostile?

    (Looks at twitter DMs). I could bring Police Scotland to a shuddering halt if I were to report every violent threat I've received on twitter. The blame for this division lies squarely with the social media firm that allows someone who advocates for a beaver reintroductions or a cycle lane here or there to receive that volume of abuse.
    Sure, but conversely if Bluesky ever does take off with a wide range of opinion then you will get that on Bluesky as well (indeed there are already early reports of bullying and harrassment on Bluesky - which could be seen as a good sign of its growth)
    Except that Blusky has no intention of hosting a debate.

    One of Trump’s supporters had her account blocked within minutes of her creating it, having posted precisely nothing.

    https://x.com/lauraloomer/status/1873538332308992320
    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    MattW said:

    Social media note.

    I put in a marker on Bluesky 4 days ago:

    From the Bluesky side, it had stabilised post Musk's end of the pier show at just under a million posts per day, and last night was at just over 28 million users, ticking up at perhaps 60-70k per day.
    https://bsky.jazco.dev/stats


    As of this morning, it is at 29.2 million accounts, so that is plus one million in 4 days - 250k per day. Obviously encouraged by Trump, and by Musk's gesture politics. And up from ~250k in August 2024.

    So on this trend minus a chunk, for it being a flurry, we'll be looking at ~50 million accounts by Easter, and numbers plus which communities / opinion leaders / organisations shift to Bluesky will make it clearer whether this will be a broader ecosystem.

    The PB Starter Pack is here:
    https://bsky.app/starter-pack/mattwardman.bsky.social/3lfk4fvp5yv26

    https://bsky.jazco.dev/stats

    For bluesky to truly succeed it desperately needs a lot of centrist and, especially, right wing accounts to move

    I see no sign of that. Bluesky is actively hostile to these people

    So we will end up with two different but similar Twitter-like places and even less interaction between left and right. Not good
    Actively hostile?

    (Looks at twitter DMs). I could bring Police Scotland to a shuddering halt if I were to report every violent threat I've received on twitter. The blame for this division lies squarely with the social media firm that allows someone who advocates for a beaver reintroductions or a cycle lane here or there to receive that volume of abuse.
    Sure, but conversely if Bluesky ever does take off with a wide range of opinion then you will get that on Bluesky as well (indeed there are already early reports of bullying and harrassment on Bluesky - which could be seen as a good sign of its growth)
    Except that Blusky has no intention of hosting a debate.

    One of Trump’s supporters had her account blocked within minutes of her creating it, having posted precisely nothing.

    https://x.com/lauraloomer/status/1873538332308992320
    Laura Loomer has also been banned by:

    CPAC
    Paypal
    Uber
    Lyft
    GoFundMe
    Venmo
    Instagram
    Facebook
    A court (evicted by US Marshal Service)

    You start to wonder if it's a Laura Loomer problem rather than a Bluesky one.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,031
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    I know that to many he can do nothing right, but Trump asking his assistant to give the pen with which he signed the order to release the documents related to the deaths of his father and his uncle, to RFK Jr, was a class move.

    https://x.com/robbystarbuck/status/1882529493652484309

    Why?
    Because Trump promised RFK Jr that he would declassify the files, and the pen used to sign the document now becomes a family heirloom.
    They can put in in the drawer next to leucotome used on Rosemary Kennedy.
  • Leon said:

    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    MattW said:

    Social media note.

    I put in a marker on Bluesky 4 days ago:

    From the Bluesky side, it had stabilised post Musk's end of the pier show at just under a million posts per day, and last night was at just over 28 million users, ticking up at perhaps 60-70k per day.
    https://bsky.jazco.dev/stats


    As of this morning, it is at 29.2 million accounts, so that is plus one million in 4 days - 250k per day. Obviously encouraged by Trump, and by Musk's gesture politics. And up from ~250k in August 2024.

    So on this trend minus a chunk, for it being a flurry, we'll be looking at ~50 million accounts by Easter, and numbers plus which communities / opinion leaders / organisations shift to Bluesky will make it clearer whether this will be a broader ecosystem.

    The PB Starter Pack is here:
    https://bsky.app/starter-pack/mattwardman.bsky.social/3lfk4fvp5yv26

    https://bsky.jazco.dev/stats

    For bluesky to truly succeed it desperately needs a lot of centrist and, especially, right wing accounts to move

    I see no sign of that. Bluesky is actively hostile to these people

    So we will end up with two different but similar Twitter-like places and even less interaction between left and right. Not good
    Actively hostile?

    (Looks at twitter DMs). I could bring Police Scotland to a shuddering halt if I were to report every violent threat I've received on twitter. The blame for this division lies squarely with the social media firm that allows someone who advocates for a beaver reintroductions or a cycle lane here or there to receive that volume of abuse.
    Sure, but conversely if Bluesky ever does take off with a wide range of opinion then you will get that on Bluesky as well (indeed there are already early reports of bullying and harrassment on Bluesky - which could be seen as a good sign of its growth)
    I've just joined blue-sky, and I'm underwhelmed. None of the sports people/ companies I'm interested in have a presence there. My favourite bike brand isn't on it, other brands have an account, but no posts or media.
    Barely even a decent conspiracy theory nutjob on there.
    Hopefully, it'll pick up.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 18,049
    On topic, I agree with each of TSE's points, however, there's also a great big But.

    Point 1: "[TSE's] expectation is that the Republican nominee in 2028 will be whomever Donald Trump anoints as his successor". Yes, assuming he's around (a not-insignificant actuarial risk for the oldest-ever president at inauguration), his primary interest will be in protecting himself, which means he will want someone still personally loyal.

    Point 2: "[TSE] think[s] he’ll try and it keep within the family". Certainly, Trump operates court politics and trusts blood over money, and money over party. I agree his first preference will be family. Mafia, innit?

    Point 3: "which brings us to Donald Trump, Jr.". Or perhaps back to him because who else is there? Eric is, to put it politely, not up to it. Ivanka was trialled during Trump-45 and exposed as wanting. Barron is too young. Tiffany is not being pushed forward. Kushner seems uninterested. But Don has been loyally pushing his dad's line and is, at the moment, the only plausible family successor. Whether he has the skills to be anything other than his father's mouthpiece is another question: being a candidate is more than being a proxy.

    Point 4: "so you may wish to take the 36s on Betfair on him winning the 2028 election". Yes. Remember, this is less than a 3% implied chance. Backing it does not mean it's going to happen or is even likely to happen; just that the chances of it not happening are less than 97%. There are lots of ways Trump-48 could go wrong; the question is about putting numbers to them.

    And now the Big But, which we touched on earlier. This is Succession and about who best protects Trump's interests. If he doesn't feel any of his children or relations are up to it, he will go elsewhere, whatever his first instincts and preference. That may be Vance but it also may not be, given Trump's personal disloyalty and capriciousness. 3.8 is way too short to be value.

    One other point: Donald Trump snr isn't listed in the odds. I think that's a mistake. If there's one person above all others Trump trusts, it's himself. Yes, the 22nd Amendment is supposed to bar him from a third term but there's no absolute guarantee that it'll still be in place come 2028 or, if it is, that the courts would enforce it given the rate at which Trump is undermining democracy and the rule of law. There are also loopholes to the 22nd that could enable Trump to run a fourth time legitimately. Again, this isn't to say it's the most likely thing to happen but it is less than the 999/1 shot it'd need to be to get a listing.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 125,632
    The poll has Donald Trump Jr about tied with Vance but I can't see beyond the Vice President for the 2028 GOP nomination. Don Jr lacks the charisma of his father and even Trump Sr has said he is not exactly blessed in the brains department. Eric and Ivanka are brighter.

    However whether any of them has a chance in 2028 will depend mainly on the economy and whether Trump's tariffs have increased manufacturing jobs more than cost of living
    "donald trump jr.: Poll shows Donald Trump Jr. is the top Republican candidate for 2028 U.S elections; here's what he has to say - The Economic Times" https://m.economictimes.com/news/international/us/poll-shows-donald-trump-jr-is-the-top-republican-candidate-for-2028-u-s-elections-heres-what-he-has-to-say/articleshow/117497603.cms
  • DriverDriver Posts: 5,559
    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    .

    MattW said:

    Driver said:

    Off topic, but perhaps of interest to many bettors in the UK: Here's a commend I just put up at Patterico's (a site run by an American lawyer: "What are the odds against the Supreme Court overturning birthright citizenship? I’d say at least 10-1, but would be interested in hearing guesstimates from lawyers on what would be a fair bet."
    https://patterico.com/2025/01/20/inauguration-day/#comment-2839866

    Courts do weird things, but it seems like a stretch to suggest that the meaning of" subject to the jurisdiction of"has shifted enough since 1898 to overturn.

    Though I do wonder if Trump has unofficially sounded out the SCOTUS majority to prove their thinking. If he has, he's either gone ahead because he knows he'll win in the end, or because he thinks he'll get some advantage from losing
    I think SCOTUS will just not list this case; they only do about 70-80 cases a year.

    I think that given the number of lawsuits which will be coming in via blue-leaning circuits, they will have a capacity problem. Which is a Dem answer to Republican legal tactics via the Texas Courts over the last X years. You get a single judge court (ie no random selection of Judge) in Hazzard County to make a national ruling, and chase it through.
    Yes, the odds of their overturning birthright citizenship ought to be way higher than 10/1.

    The 14th amendment isn't just explicit in its wording; it was written to extend a constitutional right, which had existed as long as the republic, to the offspring of transported slaves.

    Only if they were prepared to ignore the law completely and become a passive tool of Trump could they possibly do it.
    At which point the constitution becomes the plaything of the President. Fascism indeed..
    Those in favour of the Trump position are relying on statements made during the debates on 14th Amendment by its author, Sen. Jacob Howard.

    https://x.com/trhlofficial/status/1882215223727419697

    "This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government."

    This is the opposing view, saying that the prevailing case law was based on the common law of England at the time.

    https://x.com/alexnowrasteh/status/1882250895439679910

    The UK law on the same subject was changed in 1983, persons born in the UK only gain automatic citizenship if one of their parents is British or has indefinite leave to remain.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_nationality_law
    We're going to get arguments about commas again, aren't we?

    Is it "persons born in the United States who are foreigners (aliens) who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers"

    Or is it "persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens [and those] who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers"

    Until now the former has been the interpretation and to my eyes it looks the more natural one, but Americans do love leaving out the "and".
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