The other side to this scandal is having people suffer intolerably for weeks or months when they want a merciful and painless way out of their suffering. And no, palliative care is not the full answer.
It is a scandal that is all around us, in hospitals and hospices.
There needs to be a balance. The current situation is unbalanced and inhumane.
I told Cyclefree that she is being way too harsh about Paula Vennells, I make Kim Leadbetter worse than Paula Vennells and I absolutely think Vennells is going to hell.
I agree with the article. If the Conservatives win the Canadian election this year they have also promised to cut back on availability of euthanasia as Trudeau's Liberal led government has already extended it well beyond the terminally ill, which is a risk longer term here too
What are the chances of this failing to clear the Commons? The last I heard there were a few MPs saying they’d wait and see once Committee stage was concluded…
The other side to this scandal is having people suffer intolerably for weeks or months when they want a merciful and painless way out of their suffering. And no, palliative care is not the full answer.
It is a scandal that is all around us, in hospitals and hospices.
There needs to be a balance. The current situation is unbalanced and inhumane.
The Bill only applies to those with a terminal illness not those with a painful illness. The two are not the same. It is one of the many ways in which the Bill's proponents have been less than accurate about what the Bill actually says.
Also those doctors specialising in palliative care disagree with you.
What are the chances of this failing to clear the Commons? The last I heard there were a few MPs saying they’d wait and see once Committee stage was concluded…
Maybe this should be a government bill but the header's assertion that it would get proper scrutiny seems optimistic. It would surely get less, as MPs would follow the whips and the bill pass quickly on weight of numbers.
Contrary to the header, the bill is scrutinised precisely because it is a private member's bill.
I am someone modestly in favour of Assisted Dying, like most of the country and most MPs, IIRC
But this, done like this, this way?
No no no no no
Why are they behaving so shoddily and evasively??? There is a natural majority for this if they get it right. Disgraceful
40 years investigative experience have taught me this: If people lie or are evasive they have something to hide. True of traders. True of MPs too. Beware those who want to rush something through without giving you time to consider - that is the modus operandi of every fraudster there has been or ever will be.
Of these witnesses, 8 are supporters from other jurisdictions. There are no opponents. Of the 9 lawyers called, 6 are in favour of the Bill and 3 neutral. Again there are no opponents.
I am someone modestly in favour of Assisted Dying, like most of the country and most MPs, IIRC
But this, done like this, this way?
No no no no no
Why are they behaving so shoddily and evasively??? There is a natural majority for this if they get it right. Disgraceful
Starmer seems to think this will be his legacy. Judging by his actions, he seems more motivated by this than pretty much anything else we’ve seen.
It's not his legacy, it is a private members' bill, with cross party backing
I don’t think you’re reading all the tea leaves, as it were.
When people talk about the 1967 Abortion Act, do they talk about David Steel or Harold Wilson? I looked up Harold Wilson's Guardian obituary and it doesn't even mention the Abortion Act.
A good header; I agree with those who are in favour in principle, but think this is a dismal way of advancing it into law.
On a side note ...What of the recent finding that doctors are very bad at assessing when even someone with a terminal illness is likely to die with the sort of accuracy demanded by this Bill? ..
Which study was that ? The ones I'm aware of show doctors perform reasonably well in estimating the life expectancy of the terminally ill, but tend to err on the upside.
The other side to this scandal is having people suffer intolerably for weeks or months when they want a merciful and painless way out of their suffering. And no, palliative care is not the full answer.
It is a scandal that is all around us, in hospitals and hospices.
There needs to be a balance. The current situation is unbalanced and inhumane.
The Bill only applies to those with a terminal illness not those with a painful illness. The two are not the same. It is one of the many ways in which the Bill's proponents have been less than accurate about what the Bill actually says.
Also those doctors specialising in palliative care disagree with you.
I would just say that neither my wife [85] or myself [81] would agree to assisted dying, but certainly would to a DNR
There are occasions when assisted dying could be a relief, but for me this bill seems to be rushed through, and that is wrong for such an emotional and complex issue
Of these witnesses, 8 are supporters from other jurisdictions. There are no opponents. Of the 9 lawyers called, 6 are in favour of the Bill and 3 neutral. Again there are no opponents.
Maybe this should be a government bill but the header's assertion that it would get proper scrutiny seems optimistic. It would surely get less, as MPs would follow the whips and the bill pass quickly on weight of numbers.
Contrary to the header, the bill is scrutinised precisely because it is a private member's bill.
It's not being scrutinised properly. Why no equality act assessment? Why no human rights assessment?
Something like this should have had public consultation (missing) and pre-legislative scrutiny (also missing). It should not have been drafted by a retired Parliamentary counsel on the basis of instructions given (by whom?) which we have not seen. It should be allowed as much time as it needs and it should not allow its sponsor to have such control over who gives evidence. It is particularly outrageous that the disabled are being ignored completely.
An interesting set of local by-elections tomorrow. We have Lab defences in Newcastle under Lyme and Stirling. In Shetland we have a former Lab seat being contested by 2 Independents. We have a Lib Dem defence in Liverpool. Then we have a stramash in Edinburgh with 2 Lab and 1 Lib Dem defences.
There is a missing piece here about the purely principled opposition to assisted dying on the basis of Catholic social teaching and such. It would be fair when bringing ip procedural opposition to say whether, by the way, I would always oppose this.
Of these witnesses, 8 are supporters from other jurisdictions. There are no opponents. Of the 9 lawyers called, 6 are in favour of the Bill and 3 neutral. Again there are no opponents.
I am someone modestly in favour of Assisted Dying, like most of the country and most MPs, IIRC
But this, done like this, this way?
No no no no no
Why are they behaving so shoddily and evasively??? There is a natural majority for this if they get it right. Disgraceful
Starmer seems to think this will be his legacy. Judging by his actions, he seems more motivated by this than pretty much anything else we’ve seen.
It's not his legacy, it is a private members' bill, with cross party backing
I don’t think you’re reading all the tea leaves, as it were.
When people talk about the 1967 Abortion Act, do they talk about David Steel or Harold Wilson? I looked up Harold Wilson's Guardian obituary and it doesn't even mention the Abortion Act.
Starmer's legacy will be the checks and balances to make sure no one like him ever becomes Prime Minister again. Some of this will be good, a codification of when the King could intervene, when the King ought to intervene and when the King MUST intervene. I think Starmer has passed all these thresholds already.
The other side to this scandal is having people suffer intolerably for weeks or months when they want a merciful and painless way out of their suffering. And no, palliative care is not the full answer.
It is a scandal that is all around us, in hospitals and hospices.
There needs to be a balance. The current situation is unbalanced and inhumane.
The Bill only applies to those with a terminal illness not those with a painful illness. The two are not the same. It is one of the many ways in which the Bill's proponents have been less than accurate about what the Bill actually says.
Also those doctors specialising in palliative care disagree with you.
The two may not be the same, but there's one heck of an overlap. My point is relevant to the terminally ill and still stands. There is an untold amount of unwanted suffering going on every day, as we speak.
If people are suffering, and there is little hope of recovery, let them die if they so choose. Do not make them suffer unnecessarily.
Are you against assisted dying in any form, or just the way it has been introduced?
An interesting set of local by-elections tomorrow. We have Lab defences in Newcastle under Lyme and Stirling. In Shetland we have a former Lab seat being contested by 2 Independents. We have a Lib Dem defence in Liverpool. Then we have a stramash in Edinburgh with 2 Lab and 1 Lib Dem defences.
Sorry - that should be 2 SNP and 1 Lib Dem in Edinburgh - and all in the same ward.
I am someone modestly in favour of Assisted Dying, like most of the country and most MPs, IIRC
But this, done like this, this way?
No no no no no
Why are they behaving so shoddily and evasively??? There is a natural majority for this if they get it right. Disgraceful
Starmer seems to think this will be his legacy. Judging by his actions, he seems more motivated by this than pretty much anything else we’ve seen.
It's not his legacy, it is a private members' bill, with cross party backing
I don’t think you’re reading all the tea leaves, as it were.
When people talk about the 1967 Abortion Act, do they talk about David Steel or Harold Wilson? I looked up Harold Wilson's Guardian obituary and it doesn't even mention the Abortion Act.
Starmer's legacy will be the checks and balances to make sure no one like him ever becomes Prime Minister again. Some of this will be good, a codification of when the King could intervene, when the King ought to intervene and when the King MUST intervene. I think Starmer has passed all these thresholds already.
An interesting set of local by-elections tomorrow. We have Lab defences in Newcastle under Lyme and Stirling. In Shetland we have a former Lab seat being contested by 2 Independents. We have a Lib Dem defence in Liverpool. Then we have a stramash in Edinburgh with 2 Lab and 1 Lib Dem defences.
The other side to this scandal is having people suffer intolerably for weeks or months when they want a merciful and painless way out of their suffering. And no, palliative care is not the full answer.
It is a scandal that is all around us, in hospitals and hospices.
There needs to be a balance. The current situation is unbalanced and inhumane.
The Bill only applies to those with a terminal illness not those with a painful illness. The two are not the same. It is one of the many ways in which the Bill's proponents have been less than accurate about what the Bill actually says.
Also those doctors specialising in palliative care disagree with you.
The two may not be the same, but there's one heck of an overlap. My point is relevant to the terminally ill and still stands. There is an untold amount of unwanted suffering going on every day, as we speak.
If people are suffering, and there is little hope of recovery, let them die if they so choose. Do not make them suffer unnecessarily.
Are you against assisted dying in any form, or just the way it has been introduced.
Doctors are authorised at the end of life to offer pain relief at levels that may cause death. I have yet to have it explained to me in any meaningful sense how this is insufficient to prevent the likes of Esther Rantzen and Dame Diana Rigg from suffering drawn out painful deaths.
An interesting set of local by-elections tomorrow. We have Lab defences in Newcastle under Lyme and Stirling. In Shetland we have a former Lab seat being contested by 2 Independents. We have a Lib Dem defence in Liverpool. Then we have a stramash in Edinburgh with 2 Lab and 1 Lib Dem defences.
Sorry - that should be 2 SNP and 1 Lib Dem in Edinburgh - and all in the same ward.
Makes the comparison-w2ith-last-election all the trickier in those multimember wards!
Going to be a tight day on power generation. Demand high, but wind remains at only 1%. Solar 4% and dropping. Even got the OCGT out for 1%. Gas very high still, as it has been for days/weeks. Same with burning trees.
Demand will be very high on the continent, with low winds, so any imported electricity will be very expensive and restrictive.
Will be interesting to see how close we get to keeping the lights and at what price.
Can't we always import electricity from other countries, even if we have to pay a lot for it?
I am someone modestly in favour of Assisted Dying, like most of the country and most MPs, IIRC
But this, done like this, this way?
No no no no no
Why are they behaving so shoddily and evasively??? There is a natural majority for this if they get it right. Disgraceful
40 years investigative experience have taught me this: If people lie or are evasive they have something to hide. True of traders. True of MPs too. Beware those who want to rush something through without giving you time to consider - that is the modus operandi of every fraudster there has been or ever will be.
Indeed
And of ALL the Bills to fuck around with, and look shifty and mendacious, they choose THIS. Assisted Dying??
In terms of human morality, there cannot be anything more significant. This isn’t some tweaking of the tax system or a partisan bit of opposition-baiting, this is “whether the state should enable suicide”, it needs solemn care and due diligence. Shameful
I am someone modestly in favour of Assisted Dying, like most of the country and most MPs, IIRC
But this, done like this, this way?
No no no no no
Why are they behaving so shoddily and evasively??? There is a natural majority for this if they get it right. Disgraceful
Starmer seems to think this will be his legacy. Judging by his actions, he seems more motivated by this than pretty much anything else we’ve seen.
It's not his legacy, it is a private members' bill, with cross party backing
I don’t think you’re reading all the tea leaves, as it were.
When people talk about the 1967 Abortion Act, do they talk about David Steel or Harold Wilson? I looked up Harold Wilson's Guardian obituary and it doesn't even mention the Abortion Act.
Starmer's legacy will be the checks and balances to make sure no one like him ever becomes Prime Minister again. Some of this will be good, a codification of when the King could intervene, when the King ought to intervene and when the King MUST intervene. I think Starmer has passed all these thresholds already.
I am not entirely sure what you are getting at there Elon.
A good header; I agree with those who are in favour in principle, but think this is a dismal way of advancing it into law.
On a side note ...What of the recent finding that doctors are very bad at assessing when even someone with a terminal illness is likely to die with the sort of accuracy demanded by this Bill? ..
Which study was that ? The ones I'm aware of show doctors perform reasonably well in estimating the life expectancy of the terminally ill, but tend to err on the upside.
There's White et al. (2016), "A Systematic Review of Predictions of Survival in Palliative Care: How Accurate Are Clinicians and Who Are the Experts?", https://doi.org/10.1371/journal.pone.0161407
I quote:
Results 4,642 records were identified; 42 studies fully met the review criteria. Wide variation was shown with categorical estimates (range 23% to 78%) and continuous estimates ranged between an underestimate of 86 days to an overestimate of 93 days. The four papers which used probabilistic estimates tended to show greater accuracy (c-statistics of 0.74–0.78). Information available about the clinicians providing the estimates was limited. Overall, there was no clear “expert” subgroup of clinicians identified.
[...]
Conclusion Studies of prognostic accuracy in palliative care are heterogeneous, but the evidence suggests that clinicians’ predictions are frequently inaccurate. No sub-group of clinicians was consistently shown to be more accurate than any other.
The other side to this scandal is having people suffer intolerably for weeks or months when they want a merciful and painless way out of their suffering. And no, palliative care is not the full answer.
It is a scandal that is all around us, in hospitals and hospices.
There needs to be a balance. The current situation is unbalanced and inhumane.
The Bill only applies to those with a terminal illness not those with a painful illness. The two are not the same. It is one of the many ways in which the Bill's proponents have been less than accurate about what the Bill actually says.
Also those doctors specialising in palliative care disagree with you.
The two may not be the same, but there's one heck of an overlap. My point is relevant to the terminally ill and still stands. There is an untold amount of unwanted suffering going on every day, as we speak.
If people are suffering, and there is little hope of recovery, let them die if they so choose. Do not make them suffer unnecessarily.
Are you against assisted dying in any form, or just the way it has been introduced.
Doctors are authorised at the end of life to offer pain relief at levels that may cause death. I have yet to have it explained to me in any meaningful sense how this is insufficient to prevent the likes of Esther Rantzen and Dame Diana Rigg from suffering drawn out painful deaths.
Being in such a doped-up condition that you cannot feel any pain - and that is a massive assumption - leaves you unable to do much else. It is an existence, not a life. If their life is near an end, people should get a choice not to go through that. It should not be the choice of doctors alone.
There is a missing piece here about the purely principled opposition to assisted dying on the basis of Catholic social teaching and such. It would be fair when bringing ip procedural opposition to say whether, by the way, I would always oppose this.
religous areseholes should GTF and worry about themselves rather than pushing their mumbo jumbo onto intelligent people who can make up their own minds.
Going to be a tight day on power generation. Demand high, but wind remains at only 1%. Solar 4% and dropping. Even got the OCGT out for 1%. Gas very high still, as it has been for days/weeks. Same with burning trees.
Demand will be very high on the continent, with low winds, so any imported electricity will be very expensive and restrictive.
Will be interesting to see how close we get to keeping the lights and at what price.
Can't we always import electricity from other countries, even if we have to pay a lot for it?
France still has a lot of nuclear.
We'll probably end up uing the lecky from the La Rance tidal range. The cheapest power in France.
The other side to this scandal is having people suffer intolerably for weeks or months when they want a merciful and painless way out of their suffering. And no, palliative care is not the full answer.
It is a scandal that is all around us, in hospitals and hospices.
There needs to be a balance. The current situation is unbalanced and inhumane.
The Bill only applies to those with a terminal illness not those with a painful illness. The two are not the same. It is one of the many ways in which the Bill's proponents have been less than accurate about what the Bill actually says.
Also those doctors specialising in palliative care disagree with you.
The two may not be the same, but there's one heck of an overlap. My point is relevant to the terminally ill and still stands. There is an untold amount of unwanted suffering going on every day, as we speak.
If people are suffering, and there is little hope of recovery, let them die if they so choose. Do not make them suffer unnecessarily.
Are you against assisted dying in any form, or just the way it has been introduced.
Doctors are authorised at the end of life to offer pain relief at levels that may cause death. I have yet to have it explained to me in any meaningful sense how this is insufficient to prevent the likes of Esther Rantzen and Dame Diana Rigg from suffering drawn out painful deaths.
That is a system that works very well a lot of the time, which is both an argument that assisted dying could work too, and an argument that maybe it is not as necessary as some argue.
Maybe this should be a government bill but the header's assertion that it would get proper scrutiny seems optimistic. It would surely get less, as MPs would follow the whips and the bill pass quickly on weight of numbers.
Contrary to the header, the bill is scrutinised precisely because it is a private member's bill.
It's not being scrutinised properly. Why no equality act assessment? Why no human rights assessment?
Something like this should have had public consultation (missing) and pre-legislative scrutiny (also missing). It should not have been drafted by a retired Parliamentary counsel on the basis of instructions given (by whom?) which we have not seen. It should be allowed as much time as it needs and it should not allow its sponsor to have such control over who gives evidence. It is particularly outrageous that the disabled are being ignored completely.
Look at PMQs today and Kemi's questions around education and the bill going through parliament. There was no widespread consultation. It was not properly drafted, and the government has already amended it to remove some of what Kemi complained about (seemingly without anyone at CCHQ having noticed).
We should separate the substance of the bill from routine procedural aspects.
This piece would have been better is it hadn't included ad hominem attacks on Kim Leadbetter and snide digs about Esther Rantzen, and just concentrated on the drafting and scrutiny of the bill.
Cyclefree implies that Rantzen has recently been given the drug Osimertinib, whereas she has been on it for at least 18 months (it has been licensed since 2016) - and more importantly has changed her opinion on assisted dying one jot.
The other side to this scandal is having people suffer intolerably for weeks or months when they want a merciful and painless way out of their suffering. And no, palliative care is not the full answer.
It is a scandal that is all around us, in hospitals and hospices.
There needs to be a balance. The current situation is unbalanced and inhumane.
The Bill only applies to those with a terminal illness not those with a painful illness. The two are not the same. It is one of the many ways in which the Bill's proponents have been less than accurate about what the Bill actually says.
Also those doctors specialising in palliative care disagree with you.
The two may not be the same, but there's one heck of an overlap. My point is relevant to the terminally ill and still stands. There is an untold amount of unwanted suffering going on every day, as we speak.
If people are suffering, and there is little hope of recovery, let them die if they so choose. Do not make them suffer unnecessarily.
Are you against assisted dying in any form, or just the way it has been introduced.
Doctors are authorised at the end of life to offer pain relief at levels that may cause death. I have yet to have it explained to me in any meaningful sense how this is insufficient to prevent the likes of Esther Rantzen and Dame Diana Rigg from suffering drawn out painful deaths.
Being in such a doped-up condition that you cannot feel any pain - and that is a massive assumption - leaves you unable to do much else. It is an existence, not a life. If their life is near an end, people should get a choice not to go through that. It should not be the choice of doctors alone.
I'm not saying it's a perfect solution by any means, but the point is that sufficient drugs to dope you up that you cannot feel any pain also kills you. It's a legally acceptable form of euthanasia because we can pretend we do it for one reason (pain relief) and not another (bringing on death).
A good header; I agree with those who are in favour in principle, but think this is a dismal way of advancing it into law.
On a side note ...What of the recent finding that doctors are very bad at assessing when even someone with a terminal illness is likely to die with the sort of accuracy demanded by this Bill? ..
Which study was that ? The ones I'm aware of show doctors perform reasonably well in estimating the life expectancy of the terminally ill, but tend to err on the upside.
"The analysis highlights weaknesses in doctors’ prognoses, raising concerns from leading palliative care clinicians.
The data have been extracted by Paddy Stone, emeritus professor of palliative and end of life care at UCL, from a systematic review he published in BMC Medicine in 2017.
The study looked at the accuracy of the “surprise question”, a tool used by medics in the NHS to identify people within the last year of life.
It collated over 25,000 clinicians’ responses to the question “Would you be surprised if this patient were to die in the next six to 12 months?”
Most doctors responded “Yes”, saying they would be surprised for their patient to die. This response was likely to be correct, as the patients are most often still alive at the end of this time period.
However, when doctors answered “No”, meaning they would be surprised if the patient lived beyond six or 12 months, the patient defied expectations and survived 54 per cent of the time.
‘What will the likely error rate be?’" Prof Katherine Sleeman, from King’s College London, said: “These findings are in line with my clinical experience, that estimating how long someone has left to live is notoriously difficult.
“If a person’s estimated prognosis will be key to determining whether they are eligible for assisted dying, MPs need to carefully consider how this estimate will be made, by whom, and what the likely error rate will be.”
Prof Stone said: “So, although overall the accuracy of the ‘surprise question’ is about 75 per cent, this is mostly driven by the fact that the question is good at identifying people who are going to live, but not so accurate at predicting who will die within a specified time frame.”"
A good header; I agree with those who are in favour in principle, but think this is a dismal way of advancing it into law.
On a side note ...What of the recent finding that doctors are very bad at assessing when even someone with a terminal illness is likely to die with the sort of accuracy demanded by this Bill? ..
Which study was that ? The ones I'm aware of show doctors perform reasonably well in estimating the life expectancy of the terminally ill, but tend to err on the upside.
"The analysis highlights weaknesses in doctors’ prognoses, raising concerns from leading palliative care clinicians.
The data have been extracted by Paddy Stone, emeritus professor of palliative and end of life care at UCL, from a systematic review he published in BMC Medicine in 2017.
The study looked at the accuracy of the “surprise question”, a tool used by medics in the NHS to identify people within the last year of life.
It collated over 25,000 clinicians’ responses to the question “Would you be surprised if this patient were to die in the next six to 12 months?”
Most doctors responded “Yes”, saying they would be surprised for their patient to die. This response was likely to be correct, as the patients are most often still alive at the end of this time period.
However, when doctors answered “No”, meaning they would be surprised if the patient lived beyond six or 12 months, the patient defied expectations and survived 54 per cent of the time.
‘What will the likely error rate be?’" Prof Katherine Sleeman, from King’s College London, said: “These findings are in line with my clinical experience, that estimating how long someone has left to live is notoriously difficult.
“If a person’s estimated prognosis will be key to determining whether they are eligible for assisted dying, MPs need to carefully consider how this estimate will be made, by whom, and what the likely error rate will be.”
Prof Stone said: “So, although overall the accuracy of the ‘surprise question’ is about 75 per cent, this is mostly driven by the fact that the question is good at identifying people who are going to live, but not so accurate at predicting who will die within a specified time frame.”"
See the remainder of that quote -
"The professor suggested that while this high false-positive rate may not be detrimental to normal patient care, it could be “problematic” if the question were to be used as a safeguard in Ms Leadbeater’s Bill.
“The original motivation for the surprise question was to help staff to identify people who might be approaching the end of life and in need of extra support,” he said.
“In this context, it isn’t a problem if doctors over-identify patients at risk of dying, because it’s about giving more patients the opportunity to access additional benefits, palliative care or other healthcare services, and making sure they are prepared.
“However, in the context of an assisted dying bill, it’s a bit more problematic, and I don’t think any clinician estimate of survival would represent a very reliable eligibility criterion.”
“Just saying you’re restricting it to people with a prognosis of less than six months doesn’t seem to me to be a very watertight safeguard,” he added.
‘How many incorrect deaths acceptable?’ He said that if assisted dying was introduced and relied upon doctors’ estimates of survival, one would “never know” if doctors’ prognoses were accurate.
“We would never be able to demonstrate that the doctors’ estimates were wrong, because the patients would already have died as a result of an assisted death,” he said.
Dr Matthew Doré, honorary secretary of the Association for Palliative Medicine, said: “We simply don’t know the future and to make such a judgment of death upon an inaccurate, subjective assessment is societally dangerous and so I ask Kim Leadbeater to consider the question, how many incorrect deaths are acceptable for a ‘right’ to lethal medications?”
A good header; I agree with those who are in favour in principle, but think this is a dismal way of advancing it into law.
On a side note ...What of the recent finding that doctors are very bad at assessing when even someone with a terminal illness is likely to die with the sort of accuracy demanded by this Bill? ..
Which study was that ? The ones I'm aware of show doctors perform reasonably well in estimating the life expectancy of the terminally ill, but tend to err on the upside.
"The analysis highlights weaknesses in doctors’ prognoses, raising concerns from leading palliative care clinicians.
The data have been extracted by Paddy Stone, emeritus professor of palliative and end of life care at UCL, from a systematic review he published in BMC Medicine in 2017.
The study looked at the accuracy of the “surprise question”, a tool used by medics in the NHS to identify people within the last year of life.
It collated over 25,000 clinicians’ responses to the question “Would you be surprised if this patient were to die in the next six to 12 months?”
Most doctors responded “Yes”, saying they would be surprised for their patient to die. This response was likely to be correct, as the patients are most often still alive at the end of this time period.
However, when doctors answered “No”, meaning they would be surprised if the patient lived beyond six or 12 months, the patient defied expectations and survived 54 per cent of the time.
‘What will the likely error rate be?’" Prof Katherine Sleeman, from King’s College London, said: “These findings are in line with my clinical experience, that estimating how long someone has left to live is notoriously difficult.
“If a person’s estimated prognosis will be key to determining whether they are eligible for assisted dying, MPs need to carefully consider how this estimate will be made, by whom, and what the likely error rate will be.”
Prof Stone said: “So, although overall the accuracy of the ‘surprise question’ is about 75 per cent, this is mostly driven by the fact that the question is good at identifying people who are going to live, but not so accurate at predicting who will die within a specified time frame.”"
Background Clinicians are inaccurate at predicting survival. The ‘Surprise Question’ (SQ) is a screening tool that aims to identify people nearing the end of life. Potentially, its routine use could help identify patients who might benefit from palliative care services. The objective was to assess the accuracy of the SQ by time scale, clinician, and speciality.
Methods Searches were completed on Medline, Embase, CINAHL, AMED, Science Citation Index, Cochrane Database of Systematic Reviews, Cochrane Central Register of Controlled Trials, Open Grey literature (all from inception to November 2016). Studies were included if they reported the SQ and were written in English. Quality was assessed using the Newcastle–Ottawa Scale.
Results A total of 26 papers were included in the review, of which 22 reported a complete data set. There were 25,718 predictions of survival made in response to the SQ. The c-statistic of the SQ ranged from 0.512 to 0.822. In the meta-analysis, the pooled accuracy level was 74.8% (95% CI 68.6–80.5). There was a negligible difference in timescale of the SQ. Doctors appeared to be more accurate than nurses at recognising people in the last year of life (c-statistic = 0.735 vs. 0.688), and the SQ seemed more accurate in an oncology setting 76.1% (95% CI 69.7–86.3).
Conclusions There was a wide degree of accuracy, from poor to reasonable, reported across studies using the SQ. Further work investigating how the SQ could be used alongside other prognostic tools to increase the identification of people who would benefit from palliative care is warranted.
I am someone modestly in favour of Assisted Dying, like most of the country and most MPs, IIRC
But this, done like this, this way?
No no no no no
Why are they behaving so shoddily and evasively??? There is a natural majority for this if they get it right. Disgraceful
Starmer seems to think this will be his legacy. Judging by his actions, he seems more motivated by this than pretty much anything else we’ve seen.
It's not his legacy, it is a private members' bill, with cross party backing
I don’t think you’re reading all the tea leaves, as it were.
When people talk about the 1967 Abortion Act, do they talk about David Steel or Harold Wilson? I looked up Harold Wilson's Guardian obituary and it doesn't even mention the Abortion Act.
It's not really comparable. Harold Wilson didn't have a track record at the CPS of deliberately failing to prosecute abortion cases and hadn't made any ostentatious promises to TV presenters about it.
A good header; I agree with those who are in favour in principle, but think this is a dismal way of advancing it into law.
On a side note ...What of the recent finding that doctors are very bad at assessing when even someone with a terminal illness is likely to die with the sort of accuracy demanded by this Bill? ..
Which study was that ? The ones I'm aware of show doctors perform reasonably well in estimating the life expectancy of the terminally ill, but tend to err on the upside.
"The analysis highlights weaknesses in doctors’ prognoses, raising concerns from leading palliative care clinicians.
The data have been extracted by Paddy Stone, emeritus professor of palliative and end of life care at UCL, from a systematic review he published in BMC Medicine in 2017.
The study looked at the accuracy of the “surprise question”, a tool used by medics in the NHS to identify people within the last year of life.
It collated over 25,000 clinicians’ responses to the question “Would you be surprised if this patient were to die in the next six to 12 months?”
Most doctors responded “Yes”, saying they would be surprised for their patient to die. This response was likely to be correct, as the patients are most often still alive at the end of this time period.
However, when doctors answered “No”, meaning they would be surprised if the patient lived beyond six or 12 months, the patient defied expectations and survived 54 per cent of the time.
‘What will the likely error rate be?’" Prof Katherine Sleeman, from King’s College London, said: “These findings are in line with my clinical experience, that estimating how long someone has left to live is notoriously difficult.
“If a person’s estimated prognosis will be key to determining whether they are eligible for assisted dying, MPs need to carefully consider how this estimate will be made, by whom, and what the likely error rate will be.”
Prof Stone said: “So, although overall the accuracy of the ‘surprise question’ is about 75 per cent, this is mostly driven by the fact that the question is good at identifying people who are going to live, but not so accurate at predicting who will die within a specified time frame.”"
Background Clinicians are inaccurate at predicting survival. The ‘Surprise Question’ (SQ) is a screening tool that aims to identify people nearing the end of life. Potentially, its routine use could help identify patients who might benefit from palliative care services. The objective was to assess the accuracy of the SQ by time scale, clinician, and speciality.
Methods Searches were completed on Medline, Embase, CINAHL, AMED, Science Citation Index, Cochrane Database of Systematic Reviews, Cochrane Central Register of Controlled Trials, Open Grey literature (all from inception to November 2016). Studies were included if they reported the SQ and were written in English. Quality was assessed using the Newcastle–Ottawa Scale.
Results A total of 26 papers were included in the review, of which 22 reported a complete data set. There were 25,718 predictions of survival made in response to the SQ. The c-statistic of the SQ ranged from 0.512 to 0.822. In the meta-analysis, the pooled accuracy level was 74.8% (95% CI 68.6–80.5). There was a negligible difference in timescale of the SQ. Doctors appeared to be more accurate than nurses at recognising people in the last year of life (c-statistic = 0.735 vs. 0.688), and the SQ seemed more accurate in an oncology setting 76.1% (95% CI 69.7–86.3).
Conclusions There was a wide degree of accuracy, from poor to reasonable, reported across studies using the SQ. Further work investigating how the SQ could be used alongside other prognostic tools to increase the identification of people who would benefit from palliative care is warranted.
Surprise seems a particularly bad way to measure this. It is not even numerical and means different things to different people. Why can't they give a probability estimate, even to nearest 10% and test against that?
Yes. An ICM poll on 24-26 Sept 2003 (about a week after the Lib Dems gained Brent East from Labour), had a three-way Con/Lab/LD tie on 31 points each.
I can't see any other instances, although there was a period through most of 1985 and early 1986 when the three parties / alliances (counting the SDP/Liberal alliance as one entity), were extremely close. One poll in Dec 1985 had them only half a point apart.
Wasn't there also one in the run up to 2010 after the "I agree with Nick" debate?
No, Labour was always lagging, usually in third, through the early part of the 2010 election. There were some two-way Con/LD ties but the closest to a three-way was a four-point spread, which happened no fewer than seven times between 15-27 April 2010.
A good header; I agree with those who are in favour in principle, but think this is a dismal way of advancing it into law.
On a side note ...What of the recent finding that doctors are very bad at assessing when even someone with a terminal illness is likely to die with the sort of accuracy demanded by this Bill? ..
Which study was that ? The ones I'm aware of show doctors perform reasonably well in estimating the life expectancy of the terminally ill, but tend to err on the upside.
"The analysis highlights weaknesses in doctors’ prognoses, raising concerns from leading palliative care clinicians.
The data have been extracted by Paddy Stone, emeritus professor of palliative and end of life care at UCL, from a systematic review he published in BMC Medicine in 2017.
The study looked at the accuracy of the “surprise question”, a tool used by medics in the NHS to identify people within the last year of life.
It collated over 25,000 clinicians’ responses to the question “Would you be surprised if this patient were to die in the next six to 12 months?”
Most doctors responded “Yes”, saying they would be surprised for their patient to die. This response was likely to be correct, as the patients are most often still alive at the end of this time period.
However, when doctors answered “No”, meaning they would be surprised if the patient lived beyond six or 12 months, the patient defied expectations and survived 54 per cent of the time.
‘What will the likely error rate be?’" Prof Katherine Sleeman, from King’s College London, said: “These findings are in line with my clinical experience, that estimating how long someone has left to live is notoriously difficult.
“If a person’s estimated prognosis will be key to determining whether they are eligible for assisted dying, MPs need to carefully consider how this estimate will be made, by whom, and what the likely error rate will be.”
Prof Stone said: “So, although overall the accuracy of the ‘surprise question’ is about 75 per cent, this is mostly driven by the fact that the question is good at identifying people who are going to live, but not so accurate at predicting who will die within a specified time frame.”"
See the remainder of that quote -
"The professor suggested that while this high false-positive rate may not be detrimental to normal patient care, it could be “problematic” if the question were to be used as a safeguard in Ms Leadbeater’s Bill.
“The original motivation for the surprise question was to help staff to identify people who might be approaching the end of life and in need of extra support,” he said.
“In this context, it isn’t a problem if doctors over-identify patients at risk of dying, because it’s about giving more patients the opportunity to access additional benefits, palliative care or other healthcare services, and making sure they are prepared.
“However, in the context of an assisted dying bill, it’s a bit more problematic, and I don’t think any clinician estimate of survival would represent a very reliable eligibility criterion.”
“Just saying you’re restricting it to people with a prognosis of less than six months doesn’t seem to me to be a very watertight safeguard,” he added.
‘How many incorrect deaths acceptable?’ He said that if assisted dying was introduced and relied upon doctors’ estimates of survival, one would “never know” if doctors’ prognoses were accurate.
“We would never be able to demonstrate that the doctors’ estimates were wrong, because the patients would already have died as a result of an assisted death,” he said.
Dr Matthew Doré, honorary secretary of the Association for Palliative Medicine, said: “We simply don’t know the future and to make such a judgment of death upon an inaccurate, subjective assessment is societally dangerous and so I ask Kim Leadbeater to consider the question, how many incorrect deaths are acceptable for a ‘right’ to lethal medications?”
Left to doctors you end up with the inhumane "Liverpool Pathway" ( pallitive care my arse given they cannot even treat you to start with a lot of the time) where they just stop all food and water. Someone other than doctors should be deciding for sure and it should be a personal choice not some thick politician or a religious fanatic.
The other side to this scandal is having people suffer intolerably for weeks or months when they want a merciful and painless way out of their suffering. And no, palliative care is not the full answer.
It is a scandal that is all around us, in hospitals and hospices.
There needs to be a balance. The current situation is unbalanced and inhumane.
The Bill only applies to those with a terminal illness not those with a painful illness. The two are not the same. It is one of the many ways in which the Bill's proponents have been less than accurate about what the Bill actually says.
Also those doctors specialising in palliative care disagree with you.
The two may not be the same, but there's one heck of an overlap. My point is relevant to the terminally ill and still stands. There is an untold amount of unwanted suffering going on every day, as we speak.
If people are suffering, and there is little hope of recovery, let them die if they so choose. Do not make them suffer unnecessarily.
Are you against assisted dying in any form, or just the way it has been introduced?
See section 2 which defines who is eligible. Pain is irrelevant. I have 3 health conditions which cannot be reversed. So does my brother. And son. So did my mother and father. In no case is - or was - pain involved that cannot be managed, eliminated or mitigated. Yet we would all be eligible.
My mother in law who had motor neurone disease - an awful way to die (though she was not in pain) - would not be eligible (though she made clear that she did want to be resuscitated.). But since the Bill allows another person to agree to AD for any reason and the family need not be informed, someone like her would be highly vulnerable to abuse of this Bill.
This is a bad Bill being rushed through. Talking about some alternative law is irrelevant. That is why there should be real extensive proper consultation beforehand. Not this.
I'm not going to speculate at this point, but I'll be very, very surprised if it doesn't eventually transpire that the reason this obviously extremely dangerous young man was handled with such kid gloves was something to do with the specifics of who his parents are"
A good header; I agree with those who are in favour in principle, but think this is a dismal way of advancing it into law.
On a side note ...What of the recent finding that doctors are very bad at assessing when even someone with a terminal illness is likely to die with the sort of accuracy demanded by this Bill? ..
Which study was that ? The ones I'm aware of show doctors perform reasonably well in estimating the life expectancy of the terminally ill, but tend to err on the upside.
"The analysis highlights weaknesses in doctors’ prognoses, raising concerns from leading palliative care clinicians.
The data have been extracted by Paddy Stone, emeritus professor of palliative and end of life care at UCL, from a systematic review he published in BMC Medicine in 2017.
The study looked at the accuracy of the “surprise question”, a tool used by medics in the NHS to identify people within the last year of life.
It collated over 25,000 clinicians’ responses to the question “Would you be surprised if this patient were to die in the next six to 12 months?”
Most doctors responded “Yes”, saying they would be surprised for their patient to die. This response was likely to be correct, as the patients are most often still alive at the end of this time period.
However, when doctors answered “No”, meaning they would be surprised if the patient lived beyond six or 12 months, the patient defied expectations and survived 54 per cent of the time.
‘What will the likely error rate be?’" Prof Katherine Sleeman, from King’s College London, said: “These findings are in line with my clinical experience, that estimating how long someone has left to live is notoriously difficult.
“If a person’s estimated prognosis will be key to determining whether they are eligible for assisted dying, MPs need to carefully consider how this estimate will be made, by whom, and what the likely error rate will be.”
Prof Stone said: “So, although overall the accuracy of the ‘surprise question’ is about 75 per cent, this is mostly driven by the fact that the question is good at identifying people who are going to live, but not so accurate at predicting who will die within a specified time frame.”"
See the remainder of that quote -
"The professor suggested that while this high false-positive rate may not be detrimental to normal patient care, it could be “problematic” if the question were to be used as a safeguard in Ms Leadbeater’s Bill.
“The original motivation for the surprise question was to help staff to identify people who might be approaching the end of life and in need of extra support,” he said.
“In this context, it isn’t a problem if doctors over-identify patients at risk of dying, because it’s about giving more patients the opportunity to access additional benefits, palliative care or other healthcare services, and making sure they are prepared.
“However, in the context of an assisted dying bill, it’s a bit more problematic, and I don’t think any clinician estimate of survival would represent a very reliable eligibility criterion.”
“Just saying you’re restricting it to people with a prognosis of less than six months doesn’t seem to me to be a very watertight safeguard,” he added.
‘How many incorrect deaths acceptable?’ He said that if assisted dying was introduced and relied upon doctors’ estimates of survival, one would “never know” if doctors’ prognoses were accurate.
“We would never be able to demonstrate that the doctors’ estimates were wrong, because the patients would already have died as a result of an assisted death,” he said.
Dr Matthew Doré, honorary secretary of the Association for Palliative Medicine, said: “We simply don’t know the future and to make such a judgment of death upon an inaccurate, subjective assessment is societally dangerous and so I ask Kim Leadbeater to consider the question, how many incorrect deaths are acceptable for a ‘right’ to lethal medications?”
Left to doctors you end up with the inhumane "Liverpool Pathway" ( pallitive care my arse given they cannot even treat you to start with a lot of the time) where they just stop all food and water. Someone other than doctors should be deciding for sure and it should be a personal choice not some thick politician or a religious fanatic.
The Bill leaves it to doctors and if they get it wrong and behave negligently or breach the terms of the Bill, the family have no recourse in law. The only remedy is prosecution which will be unlikely to happen given that the way the procedure works will make it all but impossible to gather the necessary evidence. So long as the forms have been filled in correctly death can happen. It is the epitome of the Bureaucrat's Process State - with little real understanding of the enormity of what is being done or, frankly, sensitivity for those affected.
I'm not going to speculate at this point, but I'll be very, very surprised if it doesn't eventually transpire that the reason this obviously extremely dangerous young man was handled with such kid gloves was something to do with the specifics of who his parents are"
Going to be a tight day on power generation. Demand high, but wind remains at only 1%. Solar 4% and dropping. Even got the OCGT out for 1%. Gas very high still, as it has been for days/weeks. Same with burning trees.
Demand will be very high on the continent, with low winds, so any imported electricity will be very expensive and restrictive.
Will be interesting to see how close we get to keeping the lights and at what price.
Can't we always import electricity from other countries, even if we have to pay a lot for it?
The UK has a about 6.4GW of interconnectors: 1.4GW to Norway 1GW to the Netherlands 1GW to Ireland 3GW to France
So, no we can't buy all the electricity we need from abroad, although we can buy a fair amount.
That being said, this is about as bad as it gets for UK electricity supply. There's little wind, and we have the combination of short days and cloud cover affecting solar electricity production.
To add to this, we have four nuclear reactors either offline, or running significantly below boiler plate capacity:
Two reactors at Heysham 2 are offline, one where summer maintenance needed to be brought forward and the other completely unscheduled and offline. Heysham 1 is also currently being refuelled and is therefore offline. And finally, Hartlepool is offline due to a condensate leak.
Of these four outages, only one was planned to happen over the winter period: Heysham 1 fueling. (And candidly, they should have done it earlier so it didn't coincide with peak electricity and trough insolation.)
Without the nuclear issues, we'd be doing fine. Even with them, we're OK. But I wouldn't want to see another nuclear plant go offline.
I'm not going to speculate at this point, but I'll be very, very surprised if it doesn't eventually transpire that the reason this obviously extremely dangerous young man was handled with such kid gloves was something to do with the specifics of who his parents are"
A good header; I agree with those who are in favour in principle, but think this is a dismal way of advancing it into law.
On a side note ...What of the recent finding that doctors are very bad at assessing when even someone with a terminal illness is likely to die with the sort of accuracy demanded by this Bill? ..
Which study was that ? The ones I'm aware of show doctors perform reasonably well in estimating the life expectancy of the terminally ill, but tend to err on the upside.
"The analysis highlights weaknesses in doctors’ prognoses, raising concerns from leading palliative care clinicians.
The data have been extracted by Paddy Stone, emeritus professor of palliative and end of life care at UCL, from a systematic review he published in BMC Medicine in 2017.
The study looked at the accuracy of the “surprise question”, a tool used by medics in the NHS to identify people within the last year of life.
It collated over 25,000 clinicians’ responses to the question “Would you be surprised if this patient were to die in the next six to 12 months?”
Most doctors responded “Yes”, saying they would be surprised for their patient to die. This response was likely to be correct, as the patients are most often still alive at the end of this time period.
However, when doctors answered “No”, meaning they would be surprised if the patient lived beyond six or 12 months, the patient defied expectations and survived 54 per cent of the time.
‘What will the likely error rate be?’" Prof Katherine Sleeman, from King’s College London, said: “These findings are in line with my clinical experience, that estimating how long someone has left to live is notoriously difficult.
“If a person’s estimated prognosis will be key to determining whether they are eligible for assisted dying, MPs need to carefully consider how this estimate will be made, by whom, and what the likely error rate will be.”
Prof Stone said: “So, although overall the accuracy of the ‘surprise question’ is about 75 per cent, this is mostly driven by the fact that the question is good at identifying people who are going to live, but not so accurate at predicting who will die within a specified time frame.”"
That doesn't entirely square with this (pretty large, and recent) study.
The bill sets a limit of six months' life expectancy - which is not the same thing as the "surprise" question - and looking at the actual outcomes for those in the study above, the accuracy of prediction is much greater.
Going to be a tight day on power generation. Demand high, but wind remains at only 1%. Solar 4% and dropping. Even got the OCGT out for 1%. Gas very high still, as it has been for days/weeks. Same with burning trees.
Demand will be very high on the continent, with low winds, so any imported electricity will be very expensive and restrictive.
Will be interesting to see how close we get to keeping the lights and at what price.
Can't we always import electricity from other countries, even if we have to pay a lot for it?
The UK has a about 6.4GW of interconnectors: 1.4GW to Norway 1GW to the Netherlands 1GW to Ireland 3GW to France
So, no we can't buy all the electricity we need from abroad, although we can buy a fair amount.
That being said, this is about as bad as it gets for UK electricity supply. There's little wind, and we have the combination of short days and cloud cover affecting solar electricity production.
To add to this, we have four nuclear reactors either offline, or running significantly below boiler plate capacity:
Two reactors at Heysham 2 are offline, one where summer maintenance needed to be brought forward and the other completely unscheduled and offline. Heysham 1 is also currently being refuelled and is therefore offline. And finally, Hartlepool is offline due to a condensate leak.
Of these four outages, only one was planned to happen over the winter period: Heysham 1 fueling. (And candidly, they should have done it earlier so it didn't coincide with peak electricity and trough insolation.)
Without the nuclear issues, we'd be doing fine. Even with them, we're OK. But I wouldn't want to see another nuclear plant go offline.
A CCGT near me is currently down as a rather large piece of kit went bang last year whilst being warmed up. Just getting the replacement to the station was a rather severe logistical challenge...
Going to be a tight day on power generation. Demand high, but wind remains at only 1%. Solar 4% and dropping. Even got the OCGT out for 1%. Gas very high still, as it has been for days/weeks. Same with burning trees.
Demand will be very high on the continent, with low winds, so any imported electricity will be very expensive and restrictive.
Will be interesting to see how close we get to keeping the lights and at what price.
Can't we always import electricity from other countries, even if we have to pay a lot for it?
The UK has a about 6.4GW of interconnectors: 1.4GW to Norway 1GW to the Netherlands 1GW to Ireland 3GW to France
So, no we can't buy all the electricity we need from abroad, although we can buy a fair amount.
That being said, this is about as bad as it gets for UK electricity supply. There's little wind, and we have the combination of short days and cloud cover affecting solar electricity production.
To add to this, we have four nuclear reactors either offline, or running significantly below boiler plate capacity:
Two reactors at Heysham 2 are offline, one where summer maintenance needed to be brought forward and the other completely unscheduled and offline. Heysham 1 is also currently being refuelled and is therefore offline. And finally, Hartlepool is offline due to a condensate leak.
Of these four outages, only one was planned to happen over the winter period: Heysham 1 fueling. (And candidly, they should have done it earlier so it didn't coincide with peak electricity and trough insolation.)
Without the nuclear issues, we'd be doing fine. Even with them, we're OK. But I wouldn't want to see another nuclear plant go offline.
Just to add: Heysham 1 refuelling is due to complete tomorrow, and that's a 1.1GW plant, so when it comes back online that will make a big difference.
I'm not going to speculate at this point, but I'll be very, very surprised if it doesn't eventually transpire that the reason this obviously extremely dangerous young man was handled with such kid gloves was something to do with the specifics of who his parents are"
This piece would have been better is it hadn't included ad hominem attacks on Kim Leadbetter and snide digs about Esther Rantzen, and just concentrated on the drafting and scrutiny of the bill.
Cyclefree implies that Rantzen has recently been given the drug Osimertinib, whereas she has been on it for at least 18 months (it has been licensed since 2016) - and more importantly has changed her opinion on assisted dying one jot.
It’s not an ad hominem to point out that the sponsor of a Bill is being untruthful and evasive.
A 28-year-old man from Afghanistan has been arrested following a knife attack in a park in the German city of Aschaffenburg on Wednesday in which two people were killed, including a toddler, police said.
An interesting set of local by-elections tomorrow. We have Lab defences in Newcastle under Lyme and Stirling. In Shetland we have a former Lab seat being contested by 2 Independents. We have a Lib Dem defence in Liverpool. Then we have a stramash in Edinburgh with 2 Lab and 1 Lib Dem defences.
Sorry - that should be 2 SNP and 1 Lib Dem in Edinburgh - and all in the same ward.
Makes the comparison-w2ith-last-election all the trickier in those multimember wards!
To make matters worse the following parties are standing just 1 candidate: SNP, LibDem, Con, Lab, Green, Libertarian, Scottish Family Party, Reform. There is also a ND called Bonnie Prince Bob, and 5 Independents.
I'm not looking to hurt Russia. I love the Russian people, and always had a very good relationship with President Putin - and this despite the Radical Left's Russia, Russia, Russia HOAX. We must never forget that Russia helped us win the Second World War, losing almost 60,000,000 lives in the process. All of that being said, I'm going to do Russia, whose Economy is failing, and President Putin, a very big FAVOR. Settle now, and STOP this ridiculous War! IT'S ONLY GOING TO GET WORSE. If we don't make a "deal," and soon, I have no other choice but to put high levels of Taxes, Tariffs, and Sanctions on anything being sold by Russia to the United States, and various other participating countries. Let's get this war, which never would have started if I were President, over with! We can do it the easy way, or the hard way - and the easy way is always better. It's time to "MAKE A DEAL." NO MORE LIVES SHOULD BE LOST!!!
A 28-year-old man from Afghanistan has been arrested following a knife attack in a park in the German city of Aschaffenburg on Wednesday in which two people were killed, including a toddler, police said.
That is very sad, particularly after the unnecessary death of a young child. Do you think mental health issues might be involved?
The other side to this scandal is having people suffer intolerably for weeks or months when they want a merciful and painless way out of their suffering. And no, palliative care is not the full answer.
It is a scandal that is all around us, in hospitals and hospices.
There needs to be a balance. The current situation is unbalanced and inhumane.
The Bill only applies to those with a terminal illness not those with a painful illness. The two are not the same. It is one of the many ways in which the Bill's proponents have been less than accurate about what the Bill actually says.
Also those doctors specialising in palliative care disagree with you.
The two may not be the same, but there's one heck of an overlap. My point is relevant to the terminally ill and still stands. There is an untold amount of unwanted suffering going on every day, as we speak.
If people are suffering, and there is little hope of recovery, let them die if they so choose. Do not make them suffer unnecessarily.
Are you against assisted dying in any form, or just the way it has been introduced?
See section 2 which defines who is eligible. Pain is irrelevant. I have 3 health conditions which cannot be reversed. So does my brother. And son. So did my mother and father. In no case is - or was - pain involved that cannot be managed, eliminated or mitigated. Yet we would all be eligible.
My mother in law who had motor neurone disease - an awful way to die (though she was not in pain) - would not be eligible (though she made clear that she did want to be resuscitated.). But since the Bill allows another person to agree to AD for any reason and the family need not be informed, someone like her would be highly vulnerable to abuse of this Bill.
This is a bad Bill being rushed through. Talking about some alternative law is irrelevant. That is why there should be real extensive proper consultation beforehand. Not this.
I would really like to know your position on the principle. Are you against assisted dying in any circumstances, or just this particular bill?
In other words, could you be persuaded to back a bill that allowed assisted dying?
Going to be a tight day on power generation. Demand high, but wind remains at only 1%. Solar 4% and dropping. Even got the OCGT out for 1%. Gas very high still, as it has been for days/weeks. Same with burning trees.
Demand will be very high on the continent, with low winds, so any imported electricity will be very expensive and restrictive.
Will be interesting to see how close we get to keeping the lights and at what price.
Can't we always import electricity from other countries, even if we have to pay a lot for it?
The UK has a about 6.4GW of interconnectors: 1.4GW to Norway 1GW to the Netherlands 1GW to Ireland 3GW to France
So, no we can't buy all the electricity we need from abroad, although we can buy a fair amount.
That being said, this is about as bad as it gets for UK electricity supply. There's little wind, and we have the combination of short days and cloud cover affecting solar electricity production.
To add to this, we have four nuclear reactors either offline, or running significantly below boiler plate capacity:
Two reactors at Heysham 2 are offline, one where summer maintenance needed to be brought forward and the other completely unscheduled and offline. Heysham 1 is also currently being refuelled and is therefore offline. And finally, Hartlepool is offline due to a condensate leak.
Of these four outages, only one was planned to happen over the winter period: Heysham 1 fueling. (And candidly, they should have done it earlier so it didn't coincide with peak electricity and trough insolation.)
Without the nuclear issues, we'd be doing fine. Even with them, we're OK. But I wouldn't want to see another nuclear plant go offline.
Just to add: Heysham 1 refuelling is due to complete tomorrow, and that's a 1.1GW plant, so when it comes back online that will make a big difference.
How would the layman find this news, Is there an aggregator for UK energy chat?
I'm not looking to hurt Russia. I love the Russian people, and always had a very good relationship with President Putin - and this despite the Radical Left's Russia, Russia, Russia HOAX. We must never forget that Russia helped us win the Second World War, losing almost 60,000,000 lives in the process. All of that being said, I'm going to do Russia, whose Economy is failing, and President Putin, a very big FAVOR. Settle now, and STOP this ridiculous War! IT'S ONLY GOING TO GET WORSE. If we don't make a "deal," and soon, I have no other choice but to put high levels of Taxes, Tariffs, and Sanctions on anything being sold by Russia to the United States, and various other participating countries. Let's get this war, which never would have started if I were President, over with! We can do it the easy way, or the hard way - and the easy way is always better. It's time to "MAKE A DEAL." NO MORE LIVES SHOULD BE LOST!!!
Going to be a tight day on power generation. Demand high, but wind remains at only 1%. Solar 4% and dropping. Even got the OCGT out for 1%. Gas very high still, as it has been for days/weeks. Same with burning trees.
Demand will be very high on the continent, with low winds, so any imported electricity will be very expensive and restrictive.
Will be interesting to see how close we get to keeping the lights and at what price.
Can't we always import electricity from other countries, even if we have to pay a lot for it?
The UK has a about 6.4GW of interconnectors: 1.4GW to Norway 1GW to the Netherlands 1GW to Ireland 3GW to France
So, no we can't buy all the electricity we need from abroad, although we can buy a fair amount.
That being said, this is about as bad as it gets for UK electricity supply. There's little wind, and we have the combination of short days and cloud cover affecting solar electricity production.
To add to this, we have four nuclear reactors either offline, or running significantly below boiler plate capacity:
Two reactors at Heysham 2 are offline, one where summer maintenance needed to be brought forward and the other completely unscheduled and offline. Heysham 1 is also currently being refuelled and is therefore offline. And finally, Hartlepool is offline due to a condensate leak.
Of these four outages, only one was planned to happen over the winter period: Heysham 1 fueling. (And candidly, they should have done it earlier so it didn't coincide with peak electricity and trough insolation.)
Without the nuclear issues, we'd be doing fine. Even with them, we're OK. But I wouldn't want to see another nuclear plant go offline.
Just to add: Heysham 1 refuelling is due to complete tomorrow, and that's a 1.1GW plant, so when it comes back online that will make a big difference.
How would the layman find this news, Is there an aggregator for UK energy chat?
Wind is obviously totally unreliable - exactly what you don't need for electricity supply.
Coal is looking more and more attractive - abundant globally, cheap, proven and reliable. We should stop rigging the market in favour of renewables, or unreliables as I call them, and see what energy sources it chooses, as we did in the 90s. My guess would be some combination of gas, coal and nuclear.
I'm not going to speculate at this point, but I'll be very, very surprised if it doesn't eventually transpire that the reason this obviously extremely dangerous young man was handled with such kid gloves was something to do with the specifics of who his parents are"
I'm not looking to hurt Russia. I love the Russian people, and always had a very good relationship with President Putin - and this despite the Radical Left's Russia, Russia, Russia HOAX. We must never forget that Russia helped us win the Second World War, losing almost 60,000,000 lives in the process. All of that being said, I'm going to do Russia, whose Economy is failing, and President Putin, a very big FAVOR. Settle now, and STOP this ridiculous War! IT'S ONLY GOING TO GET WORSE. If we don't make a "deal," and soon, I have no other choice but to put high levels of Taxes, Tariffs, and Sanctions on anything being sold by Russia to the United States, and various other participating countries. Let's get this war, which never would have started if I were President, over with! We can do it the easy way, or the hard way - and the easy way is always better. It's time to "MAKE A DEAL." NO MORE LIVES SHOULD BE LOST!!!
Trade is already 90% down between the two countries. Most of it has been replaced by trade with China, India and Turkey. Do you think Trump is unaware of this or just pretending to be tough on Russia to take advantage of those who are unaware?
Going to be a tight day on power generation. Demand high, but wind remains at only 1%. Solar 4% and dropping. Even got the OCGT out for 1%. Gas very high still, as it has been for days/weeks. Same with burning trees.
Demand will be very high on the continent, with low winds, so any imported electricity will be very expensive and restrictive.
Will be interesting to see how close we get to keeping the lights and at what price.
Can't we always import electricity from other countries, even if we have to pay a lot for it?
The UK has a about 6.4GW of interconnectors: 1.4GW to Norway 1GW to the Netherlands 1GW to Ireland 3GW to France
So, no we can't buy all the electricity we need from abroad, although we can buy a fair amount.
That being said, this is about as bad as it gets for UK electricity supply. There's little wind, and we have the combination of short days and cloud cover affecting solar electricity production.
To add to this, we have four nuclear reactors either offline, or running significantly below boiler plate capacity:
Two reactors at Heysham 2 are offline, one where summer maintenance needed to be brought forward and the other completely unscheduled and offline. Heysham 1 is also currently being refuelled and is therefore offline. And finally, Hartlepool is offline due to a condensate leak.
Of these four outages, only one was planned to happen over the winter period: Heysham 1 fueling. (And candidly, they should have done it earlier so it didn't coincide with peak electricity and trough insolation.)
Without the nuclear issues, we'd be doing fine. Even with them, we're OK. But I wouldn't want to see another nuclear plant go offline.
Just to add: Heysham 1 refuelling is due to complete tomorrow, and that's a 1.1GW plant, so when it comes back online that will make a big difference.
How would the layman find this news, Is there an aggregator for UK energy chat?
Wind is obviously totally unreliable - exactly what you don't need for electricity supply.
Coal is looking more and more attractive - abundant globally, cheap, proven and reliable. We should stop rigging the market in favour of renewables, or unreliables as I call them, and see what energy sources it chooses, as we did in the 90s. My guess would be some combination of gas, coal and nuclear.
Sorry, I ballsed up the quotes! Hopefully this has fixed them.
I'm not looking to hurt Russia. I love the Russian people, and always had a very good relationship with President Putin - and this despite the Radical Left's Russia, Russia, Russia HOAX. We must never forget that Russia helped us win the Second World War, losing almost 60,000,000 lives in the process. All of that being said, I'm going to do Russia, whose Economy is failing, and President Putin, a very big FAVOR. Settle now, and STOP this ridiculous War! IT'S ONLY GOING TO GET WORSE. If we don't make a "deal," and soon, I have no other choice but to put high levels of Taxes, Tariffs, and Sanctions on anything being sold by Russia to the United States, and various other participating countries. Let's get this war, which never would have started if I were President, over with! We can do it the easy way, or the hard way - and the easy way is always better. It's time to "MAKE A DEAL." NO MORE LIVES SHOULD BE LOST!!!
The guy is nuts/stupid. There are already very extensive US sanctions against Russia such that there is very, very little “being sold by Russia to the United States”. Tariffs are therefore pointless.
US imports from Russia, 2021: $29,600M 2024: $2,900M (but that figure is missing December)
There is a missing piece here about the purely principled opposition to assisted dying on the basis of Catholic social teaching and such. It would be fair when bringing ip procedural opposition to say whether, by the way, I would always oppose this.
OK so Cyclefree is against assisted dying and is part of the campaign to kick it into the long grass and kill it.
I have been to meet with my MP, who is on the Committee and is against the Bill, to change her mind.
I don't think the Bill goes far enough and is far too restrictive. Hopefully, once it is passed, its scope can be further expanded by further legislation in the years to come. A progressive ladder not a slippery slope.
In a generation of so, people will look back in amazement that it took so long to give people the right to manage their own death. Just as we now look back in amazement at the time it took to give women the right to vote or gays the righ to marry.
Going to be a tight day on power generation. Demand high, but wind remains at only 1%. Solar 4% and dropping. Even got the OCGT out for 1%. Gas very high still, as it has been for days/weeks. Same with burning trees.
Demand will be very high on the continent, with low winds, so any imported electricity will be very expensive and restrictive.
Will be interesting to see how close we get to keeping the lights and at what price.
Can't we always import electricity from other countries, even if we have to pay a lot for it?
The UK has a about 6.4GW of interconnectors: 1.4GW to Norway 1GW to the Netherlands 1GW to Ireland 3GW to France
So, no we can't buy all the electricity we need from abroad, although we can buy a fair amount.
That being said, this is about as bad as it gets for UK electricity supply. There's little wind, and we have the combination of short days and cloud cover affecting solar electricity production.
To add to this, we have four nuclear reactors either offline, or running significantly below boiler plate capacity:
Two reactors at Heysham 2 are offline, one where summer maintenance needed to be brought forward and the other completely unscheduled and offline. Heysham 1 is also currently being refuelled and is therefore offline. And finally, Hartlepool is offline due to a condensate leak.
Of these four outages, only one was planned to happen over the winter period: Heysham 1 fueling. (And candidly, they should have done it earlier so it didn't coincide with peak electricity and trough insolation.)
Without the nuclear issues, we'd be doing fine. Even with them, we're OK. But I wouldn't want to see another nuclear plant go offline.
Just to add: Heysham 1 refuelling is due to complete tomorrow, and that's a 1.1GW plant, so when it comes back online that will make a big difference.
How would the layman find this news, Is there an aggregator for UK energy chat?
Wind is obviously totally unreliable - exactly what you don't need for electricity supply.
Coal is looking more and more attractive - abundant globally, cheap, proven and reliable. We should stop rigging the market in favour of renewables, or unreliables as I call them, and see what energy sources it chooses, as we did in the 90s. My guess would be some combination of gas, coal and nuclear.
UK is in the difficult position that periods of high power demand align with periods of poor output from solar and wind, hence the need for a more diverse mix of sources. Nuclear should be most of the baseline, and gas the marginal output.
The problem will get better over time as storage gets cheaper, but there still needs to be a plan for a dark and still fortnight without the lights going out.
I'm not looking to hurt Russia. I love the Russian people, and always had a very good relationship with President Putin - and this despite the Radical Left's Russia, Russia, Russia HOAX. We must never forget that Russia helped us win the Second World War, losing almost 60,000,000 lives in the process. All of that being said, I'm going to do Russia, whose Economy is failing, and President Putin, a very big FAVOR. Settle now, and STOP this ridiculous War! IT'S ONLY GOING TO GET WORSE. If we don't make a "deal," and soon, I have no other choice but to put high levels of Taxes, Tariffs, and Sanctions on anything being sold by Russia to the United States, and various other participating countries. Let's get this war, which never would have started if I were President, over with! We can do it the easy way, or the hard way - and the easy way is always better. It's time to "MAKE A DEAL." NO MORE LIVES SHOULD BE LOST!!!
The guy is nuts/stupid. There are already very extensive US sanctions against Russia such that there is very, very little “being sold by Russia to the United States”. Tariffs are therefore pointless.
US imports from Russia, 2021: $29,600M 2024: $2,900M (but that figure is missing December)
He's neither nuts nor stupid. He's the supreme politician of our era. The closest thing to Bismarck we have today.
This piece would have been better is it hadn't included ad hominem attacks on Kim Leadbetter and snide digs about Esther Rantzen, and just concentrated on the drafting and scrutiny of the bill.
Cyclefree implies that Rantzen has recently been given the drug Osimertinib, whereas she has been on it for at least 18 months (it has been licensed since 2016) - and more importantly has changed her opinion on assisted dying one jot.
Where does she imply that its recent? And arguably 18 months is recent.
Its a very tricky subject and should not have someone playing fast and loose. Be confident in your case (bill) and do everything above board. Why isn't she doing this? If she was a Tory some wag would suggest she owns shares in the drugs used to help people pass.
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It is a scandal that is all around us, in hospitals and hospices.
There needs to be a balance. The current situation is unbalanced and inhumane.
I told Cyclefree that she is being way too harsh about Paula Vennells, I make Kim Leadbetter worse than Paula Vennells and I absolutely think Vennells is going to hell.
I was minded to support this bill, not now.
I am someone modestly in favour of Assisted Dying, like most of the country and most MPs, IIRC
But this, done like this, this way?
No no no no no
Why are they behaving so shoddily and evasively??? There is a natural majority for this if they get it right. Disgraceful
Judging by his actions, he seems more motivated by this than pretty much anything else we’ve seen.
It’s just so fucking WEIRD
To look back at the discussion on the last thread about productivity in the public sector, for a moment: see this, https://www.nuffieldtrust.org.uk/qualitywatch/nhs-performance-dashboard , a new dashboard on NHS performance from the Nuffield Trust.
Also those doctors specialising in palliative care disagree with you.
Contrary to the header, the bill is scrutinised precisely because it is a private member's bill.
Of the 9 lawyers called, 6 are in favour of the Bill and 3 neutral. Again there are no opponents.
This is outrageous.
See here from last week -
I'm another who could be broadly supportive, who has been turned, based on how this has been mis-handled.
Leadbeater has lost any faith I had in her. Hoping this gets stopped.
On a side note ...What of the recent finding that doctors are very bad at assessing when even someone with a terminal illness is likely to die with the sort of accuracy demanded by this Bill? ..
Which study was that ?
The ones I'm aware of show doctors perform reasonably well in estimating the life expectancy of the terminally ill, but tend to err on the upside.
There are occasions when assisted dying could be a relief, but for me this bill seems to be rushed through, and that is wrong for such an emotional and complex issue
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jan/22/kkk-immigrants-flyers-kentucky
Jolly good. It's what folk voted for.
Something like this should have had public consultation (missing) and pre-legislative scrutiny (also missing). It should not have been drafted by a retired Parliamentary counsel on the basis of instructions given (by whom?) which we have not seen. It should be allowed as much time as it needs and it should not allow its sponsor to have such control over who gives evidence. It is particularly outrageous that the disabled are being ignored completely.
Jon McClain, the chief of police in Bellevue, Kentucky, told the Washington Post that a local resident had found one of the flyers on Monday.
A copper in America called Jon McClain, what were the odds?
If people are suffering, and there is little hope of recovery, let them die if they so choose. Do not make them suffer unnecessarily.
Are you against assisted dying in any form, or just the way it has been introduced?
Indeed
And of ALL the Bills to fuck around with, and look shifty and mendacious, they choose THIS. Assisted Dying??
In terms of human morality, there cannot be anything more significant. This isn’t some tweaking of the tax system or a partisan bit of opposition-baiting, this is “whether the state should enable suicide”, it needs solemn care and due diligence. Shameful
I quote:
Results
4,642 records were identified; 42 studies fully met the review criteria. Wide variation was shown with categorical estimates (range 23% to 78%) and continuous estimates ranged between an underestimate of 86 days to an overestimate of 93 days. The four papers which used probabilistic estimates tended to show greater accuracy (c-statistics of 0.74–0.78). Information available about the clinicians providing the estimates was limited. Overall, there was no clear “expert” subgroup of clinicians identified.
[...]
Conclusion
Studies of prognostic accuracy in palliative care are heterogeneous, but the evidence suggests that clinicians’ predictions are frequently inaccurate. No sub-group of clinicians was consistently shown to be more accurate than any other.
We'll probably end up uing the lecky from the La Rance tidal range. The cheapest power in France.
Until we buy it.
We should separate the substance of the bill from routine procedural aspects.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Byrd
Cyclefree implies that Rantzen has recently been given the drug Osimertinib, whereas she has been on it for at least 18 months (it has been licensed since 2016) - and more importantly has changed her opinion on assisted dying one jot.
"The analysis highlights weaknesses in doctors’ prognoses, raising concerns from leading palliative care clinicians.
The data have been extracted by Paddy Stone, emeritus professor of palliative and end of life care at UCL, from a systematic review he published in BMC Medicine in 2017.
The study looked at the accuracy of the “surprise question”, a tool used by medics in the NHS to identify people within the last year of life.
It collated over 25,000 clinicians’ responses to the question “Would you be surprised if this patient were to die in the next six to 12 months?”
Most doctors responded “Yes”, saying they would be surprised for their patient to die. This response was likely to be correct, as the patients are most often still alive at the end of this time period.
However, when doctors answered “No”, meaning they would be surprised if the patient lived beyond six or 12 months, the patient defied expectations and survived 54 per cent of the time.
‘What will the likely error rate be?’"
Prof Katherine Sleeman, from King’s College London, said: “These findings are in line with my clinical experience, that estimating how long someone has left to live is notoriously difficult.
“If a person’s estimated prognosis will be key to determining whether they are eligible for assisted dying, MPs need to carefully consider how this estimate will be made, by whom, and what the likely error rate will be.”
Prof Stone said: “So, although overall the accuracy of the ‘surprise question’ is about 75 per cent, this is mostly driven by the fact that the question is good at identifying people who are going to live, but not so accurate at predicting who will die within a specified time frame.”"
"The professor suggested that while this high false-positive rate may not be detrimental to normal patient care, it could be “problematic” if the question were to be used as a safeguard in Ms Leadbeater’s Bill.
“The original motivation for the surprise question was to help staff to identify people who might be approaching the end of life and in need of extra support,” he said.
“In this context, it isn’t a problem if doctors over-identify patients at risk of dying, because it’s about giving more patients the opportunity to access additional benefits, palliative care or other healthcare services, and making sure they are prepared.
“However, in the context of an assisted dying bill, it’s a bit more problematic, and I don’t think any clinician estimate of survival would represent a very reliable eligibility criterion.”
“Just saying you’re restricting it to people with a prognosis of less than six months doesn’t seem to me to be a very watertight safeguard,” he added.
‘How many incorrect deaths acceptable?’
He said that if assisted dying was introduced and relied upon doctors’ estimates of survival, one would “never know” if doctors’ prognoses were accurate.
“We would never be able to demonstrate that the doctors’ estimates were wrong, because the patients would already have died as a result of an assisted death,” he said.
Dr Matthew Doré, honorary secretary of the Association for Palliative Medicine, said: “We simply don’t know the future and to make such a judgment of death upon an inaccurate, subjective assessment is societally dangerous and so I ask Kim Leadbeater to consider the question, how many incorrect deaths are acceptable for a ‘right’ to lethal medications?”
Background
Clinicians are inaccurate at predicting survival. The ‘Surprise Question’ (SQ) is a screening tool that aims to identify people nearing the end of life. Potentially, its routine use could help identify patients who might benefit from palliative care services. The objective was to assess the accuracy of the SQ by time scale, clinician, and speciality.
Methods
Searches were completed on Medline, Embase, CINAHL, AMED, Science Citation Index, Cochrane Database of Systematic Reviews, Cochrane Central Register of Controlled Trials, Open Grey literature (all from inception to November 2016). Studies were included if they reported the SQ and were written in English. Quality was assessed using the Newcastle–Ottawa Scale.
Results
A total of 26 papers were included in the review, of which 22 reported a complete data set. There were 25,718 predictions of survival made in response to the SQ. The c-statistic of the SQ ranged from 0.512 to 0.822. In the meta-analysis, the pooled accuracy level was 74.8% (95% CI 68.6–80.5). There was a negligible difference in timescale of the SQ. Doctors appeared to be more accurate than nurses at recognising people in the last year of life (c-statistic = 0.735 vs. 0.688), and the SQ seemed more accurate in an oncology setting 76.1% (95% CI 69.7–86.3).
Conclusions
There was a wide degree of accuracy, from poor to reasonable, reported across studies using the SQ. Further work investigating how the SQ could be used alongside other prognostic tools to increase the identification of people who would benefit from palliative care is warranted.
The list of witnesses is here and does include MENCAP.
https://bills.parliament.uk/publications/57886/documents/5678
See section 2 which defines who is eligible. Pain is irrelevant. I have 3 health conditions which cannot be reversed. So does my brother. And son. So did my mother and father. In no case is - or was - pain involved that cannot be managed, eliminated or mitigated. Yet we would all be eligible.
My mother in law who had motor neurone disease - an awful way to die (though she was not in pain) - would not be eligible (though she made clear that she did want to be resuscitated.). But since the Bill allows another person to agree to AD for any reason and the family need not be informed, someone like her would be highly vulnerable to abuse of this Bill.
This is a bad Bill being rushed through. Talking about some alternative law is irrelevant. That is why there should be real extensive proper consultation beforehand. Not this.
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I'm not going to speculate at this point, but I'll be very, very surprised if it doesn't eventually transpire that the reason this obviously extremely dangerous young man was handled with such kid gloves was something to do with the specifics of who his parents are"
https://x.com/moveincircles/status/1882025407123452357
1.4GW to Norway
1GW to the Netherlands
1GW to Ireland
3GW to France
So, no we can't buy all the electricity we need from abroad, although we can buy a fair amount.
That being said, this is about as bad as it gets for UK electricity supply. There's little wind, and we have the combination of short days and cloud cover affecting solar electricity production.
To add to this, we have four nuclear reactors either offline, or running significantly below boiler plate capacity:
Two reactors at Heysham 2 are offline, one where summer maintenance needed to be brought forward and the other completely unscheduled and offline. Heysham 1 is also currently being refuelled and is therefore offline. And finally, Hartlepool is offline due to a condensate leak.
Of these four outages, only one was planned to happen over the winter period: Heysham 1 fueling. (And candidly, they should have done it earlier so it didn't coincide with peak electricity and trough insolation.)
Without the nuclear issues, we'd be doing fine. Even with them, we're OK. But I wouldn't want to see another nuclear plant go offline.
Accuracy of clinical predictions of prognosis at the end-of-life: evidence from routinely collected data in urgent care records
https://bmcpalliatcare.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12904-023-01155-y
Note this set of figures:
https://bmcpalliatcare.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12904-023-01155-y/figures/2
The bill sets a limit of six months' life expectancy - which is not the same thing as the "surprise" question - and looking at the actual outcomes for those in the study above, the accuracy of prediction is much greater.
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The ratings are in!
Nielsen says that 24.59 million people watched Trump's 2nd inauguration.
That's 9 million less than watched Joe Biden in 2021. And 5 million less than watched Trump in 2017.
This will piss him off. Bigly.
I'm not looking to hurt Russia. I love the Russian people, and always had a very good relationship with President Putin - and this despite the Radical Left's Russia, Russia, Russia HOAX. We must never forget that Russia helped us win the Second World War, losing almost 60,000,000 lives in the process. All of that being said, I'm going to do Russia, whose Economy is failing, and President Putin, a very big FAVOR. Settle now, and STOP this ridiculous War! IT'S ONLY GOING TO GET WORSE. If we don't make a "deal," and soon, I have no other choice but to put high levels of Taxes, Tariffs, and Sanctions on anything being sold by Russia to the United States, and various other participating countries. Let's get this war, which never would have started if I were President, over with! We can do it the easy way, or the hard way - and the easy way is always better. It's time to "MAKE A DEAL." NO MORE LIVES SHOULD BE LOST!!!
In other words, could you be persuaded to back a bill that allowed assisted dying?
How would the layman find this news, Is there an aggregator for UK energy chat?
It was more of a foghorn.
Coal is looking more and more attractive - abundant globally, cheap, proven and reliable. We should stop rigging the market in favour of renewables, or unreliables as I call them, and see what energy sources it chooses, as we did in the 90s. My guess would be some combination of gas, coal and nuclear.
lol
US imports from Russia, 2021: $29,600M
2024: $2,900M (but that figure is missing December)
I have been to meet with my MP, who is on the Committee and is against the Bill, to change her mind.
I don't think the Bill goes far enough and is far too restrictive. Hopefully, once it is passed, its scope can be further expanded by further legislation in the years to come. A progressive ladder not a slippery slope.
In a generation of so, people will look back in amazement that it took so long to give people the right to manage their own death. Just as we now look back in amazement at the time it took to give women the right to vote or gays the righ to marry.
Fingers crossed this bill will pass.
The problem will get better over time as storage gets cheaper, but there still needs to be a plan for a dark and still fortnight without the lights going out.
Its a very tricky subject and should not have someone playing fast and loose. Be confident in your case (bill) and do everything above board. Why isn't she doing this? If she was a Tory some wag would suggest she owns shares in the drugs used to help people pass.