A work colleague (who lives some way away from our offices in Liverpool) used to be in Eddisbury (just) before the boundary changes. She's a staunch Conservative. She ended up (just) in the new Runcorn and Helsby.
When I explained to her about the recall petition she was delighted. A chance to get Labour out (or so she thinks).
There should be a by-election. MPs simply cannot go around behaving in that manner.
(Has he given reasons why he acted that way, or was it just drunkenness?)
At the time he claimed self defence although how that was plausible given the guy he twatted had his hands in his pockets at the time remains to be seen.
BREAKING: Donald Trump has signed an executive order withdrawing the US from the World Health Organisation
Ah. That's the first surprise. Damn. I worked with the WHO once, albeit briefly and with a peripheral organisations. It was one of the few moments in my life when what I did mattered on a global scale. Due to financial pressures I had to go work in the private sector instead, a source of some regret.
WHO is a horrifically political and corrupted organisation.
Why didn’t they provide Taiwan with any assistance or guidance on the spread of the COVID pandemic?
Also why did they swallow Chinese bullshit about the origins of COVID?
Why did they give it a neutral name, while happily referring for decades to German measles and Spanish influenza, amongst others?
And why did they back lockdowns and travel restrictions when China did, despite clearly thinking before the pandemic that both were pointless and counterproductive?
The WHO has long been more obsessed about lifestyle issues than anything practical.
Trump is right on this
He is wrong.
The WHO will have saved millions of lives through its various projects and schemes - the Smallpox eradication programme alone (launched in the late 50s) will have saved millions.
Trump has put an anti-vaxxer at the heart of his government, involved with medicine.
Is the WHO perfect? No. Would the world be better if they did not exist? Hell, no.
No, he is right.
The WHO may have been fit for purpose once but that was a long whole ago. The late fifties and sixties fine, but they need reform and if the Trumpdozer's actions help bring that about all well and good.
I will judge RFK JR by what he does as well.
I judge RFK by what he does - he is a grifting anti-vaxxer who sells a whole pile of anti-science garbage.
I judge Trump by what he does - he is a proven criminal, cheat and fraudster. And far more….
Both are occasionally right - Trump on European rearmament, RFK on some food standards.
But in both cases that is a tiny, tiny portion of their portfolios. Which are otherwise uniformly shit.
Reform will certainly be hoping for a by election. Though if its MP only gets a community order and not a custodial sentence a by election probably won't happen
BREAKING: Donald Trump has signed an executive order withdrawing the US from the World Health Organisation
Ah. That's the first surprise. Damn. I worked with the WHO once, albeit briefly and with a peripheral organisations. It was one of the few moments in my life when what I did mattered on a global scale. Due to financial pressures I had to go work in the private sector instead, a source of some regret.
WHO is a horrifically political and corrupted organisation.
Why didn’t they provide Taiwan with any assistance or guidance on the spread of the COVID pandemic?
Also why did they swallow Chinese bullshit about the origins of COVID?
Why did they give it a neutral name, while happily referring for decades to German measles and Spanish influenza, amongst others?
And why did they back lockdowns and travel restrictions when China did, despite clearly thinking before the pandemic that both were pointless and counterproductive?
The WHO has long been more obsessed about lifestyle issues than anything practical.
Trump is right on this
He is wrong.
The WHO will have saved millions of lives through its various projects and schemes - the Smallpox eradication programme alone (launched in the late 50s) will have saved millions.
Trump has put an anti-vaxxer at the heart of his government, involved with medicine.
Is the WHO perfect? No. Would the world be better if they did not exist? Hell, no.
No, he is right.
The WHO may have been fit for purpose once but that was a long whole ago. The late fifties and sixties fine, but they need reform and if the Trumpdozer's actions help bring that about all well and good.
I will judge RFK JR by what he does as well.
I judge RFK by what he does - he is a grifting anti-vaxxer who sells a whole pile of anti-science garbage.
I judge Trump by what he does - he is a proven criminal, cheat and fraudster. And far more….
Both are occasionally right - Trump on European rearmament, RFK on some food standards.
But in both cases that is a tiny, tiny portion of their portfolios. Which are otherwise uniformly shit.
RFK Junior's grifting has already killed lots of people. Here's a summary of just part of it in a well-known left-wing rag:
The Fukkers will have to avoid their habitual foible of selecting some crackpot c-nt who has banged on about 15 Minute Cities or Merkel being Hitler's daughter on FB in 2019. Otherwise they should win it because there are enough people who in Runcorn and Helsby who look this:
A key takeaway from Trump's threatened tariffs on China, Canada and Mexico is that the quid quo pro for not enacting / removing them is not necessarily better terms of trade. It is whatever Trump considers a political priority at that moment, whether it is Tik Tok, illegal migrants or Greenland. Using the US's economic dominance to get their way in other spheres.
... And anyone who thinks that giving the bully their lunch money on the first day of school will keep them safe for the years ahead is a fool.
It would be difficult to imagine a by-election more suited to Reform. The timing will be interesting. For Reform obviously before the May Council Elections so a success can lead to more success in the council elections. For Labour Council Election Day itself. Of course Labour will want to keep it hanging on until July but that in itself will be a folly as it would interfere with celebrations of the first glorious year of the 1,000 year Reich. For the Tories the best day would be the same one as the by-election caused by Tulip's arrest / deportation as we have quite a chance there. The Lib Dems will deny there is any by-election and Ed Davey will fill the media with his latest album of cute red squirrel photos - probably grey squirrels really as I doubt he can tell the difference.
BREAKING: Donald Trump has signed an executive order withdrawing the US from the World Health Organisation
Ah. That's the first surprise. Damn. I worked with the WHO once, albeit briefly and with a peripheral organisations. It was one of the few moments in my life when what I did mattered on a global scale. Due to financial pressures I had to go work in the private sector instead, a source of some regret.
WHO is a horrifically political and corrupted organisation.
Why didn’t they provide Taiwan with any assistance or guidance on the spread of the COVID pandemic?
Also why did they swallow Chinese bullshit about the origins of COVID?
Why did they give it a neutral name, while happily referring for decades to German measles and Spanish influenza, amongst others?
And why did they back lockdowns and travel restrictions when China did, despite clearly thinking before the pandemic that both were pointless and counterproductive?
The WHO has long been more obsessed about lifestyle issues than anything practical.
Trump is right on this
He is wrong.
The WHO will have saved millions of lives through its various projects and schemes - the Smallpox eradication programme alone (launched in the late 50s) will have saved millions.
Trump has put an anti-vaxxer at the heart of his government, involved with medicine.
Is the WHO perfect? No. Would the world be better if they did not exist? Hell, no.
No, he is right.
The WHO may have been fit for purpose once but that was a long whole ago. The late fifties and sixties fine, but they need reform and if the Trumpdozer's actions help bring that about all well and good.
I will judge RFK JR by what he does as well.
I judge RFK by what he does - he is a grifting anti-vaxxer who sells a whole pile of anti-science garbage.
I judge Trump by what he does - he is a proven criminal, cheat and fraudster. And far more….
Both are occasionally right - Trump on European rearmament, RFK on some food standards.
But in both cases that is a tiny, tiny portion of their portfolios. Which are otherwise uniformly shit.
RFK Junior's grifting has already killed lots of people. Here's a summary of just part of it in a well-known left-wing rag:
BREAKING: Donald Trump has signed an executive order withdrawing the US from the World Health Organisation
Ah. That's the first surprise. Damn. I worked with the WHO once, albeit briefly and with a peripheral organisations. It was one of the few moments in my life when what I did mattered on a global scale. Due to financial pressures I had to go work in the private sector instead, a source of some regret.
WHO is a horrifically political and corrupted organisation.
Why didn’t they provide Taiwan with any assistance or guidance on the spread of the COVID pandemic?
Also why did they swallow Chinese bullshit about the origins of COVID?
Why did they give it a neutral name, while happily referring for decades to German measles and Spanish influenza, amongst others?
And why did they back lockdowns and travel restrictions when China did, despite clearly thinking before the pandemic that both were pointless and counterproductive?
The WHO has long been more obsessed about lifestyle issues than anything practical.
Trump is right on this
He is wrong.
The WHO will have saved millions of lives through its various projects and schemes - the Smallpox eradication programme alone (launched in the late 50s) will have saved millions.
Trump has put an anti-vaxxer at the heart of his government, involved with medicine.
Is the WHO perfect? No. Would the world be better if they did not exist? Hell, no.
No, he is right.
The WHO may have been fit for purpose once but that was a long whole ago. The late fifties and sixties fine, but they need reform and if the Trumpdozer's actions help bring that about all well and good.
I will judge RFK JR by what he does as well.
I judge RFK by what he does - he is a grifting anti-vaxxer who sells a whole pile of anti-science garbage.
I judge Trump by what he does - he is a proven criminal, cheat and fraudster. And far more….
Both are occasionally right - Trump on European rearmament, RFK on some food standards.
But in both cases that is a tiny, tiny portion of their portfolios. Which are otherwise uniformly shit.
RFK Junior's grifting has already killed lots of people. Here's a summary of just part of it in a well-known left-wing rag:
The Fukkers will have to avoid their habitual foible of selecting some crackpot c-nt who has banged on about 15 Minute Cities or Merkel being Hitler's daughter on FB in 2019. Otherwise they should win it because there are enough people who in Runcorn and Helsby who look this:
Russia wants a deal; Putin has stated his starting position many times.
It is essentially a Ukrainian surrender, with Russia gaining territory it does not hold, e.g. all of Kherson.
There are reports that pre-Christmas the Trump team were updated on the real situation with the Russian economy, not the Kremlin reported one, and that opened their eyes to Putin's weakness, shifting their position from "give him what he wants". In Trump's world everything is transactional, and when they spot a weakness they will exploit it. They are now wise to Russia's / Putin's weakness.
And who would be the recipients of these reparations and manage them.
Organisations like Oxfam, of course. Organisations interested in managing problems, do they ever solve any ? If they did their raison d'etre disappears.
Britain should pay reparations to India, an Oxfam International report has suggested.
It argued that former colonial powers should pay reparations to former colonies to compensate for the transfer of wealth it claims took place under imperial rule.
It cited analysis that showed that between 1765 and 1900, Britain extracted $64.82 trillion (£52.58 trillion) from India.
“The cost of reparations should be borne by the richest, who benefited the most from colonialism.”
It is the first time the charity has called for such a move.
The report proposed that Western countries commit to paying former colonies a minimum of $5 trillion (£4 trillion) annually in reparations and “climate debt” – the amount of money Western countries are said to owe poorer ones to account for the costs of climate change.
BREAKING: Donald Trump has signed an executive order withdrawing the US from the World Health Organisation
Ah. That's the first surprise. Damn. I worked with the WHO once, albeit briefly and with a peripheral organisations. It was one of the few moments in my life when what I did mattered on a global scale. Due to financial pressures I had to go work in the private sector instead, a source of some regret.
WHO is a horrifically political and corrupted organisation.
Why didn’t they provide Taiwan with any assistance or guidance on the spread of the COVID pandemic?
Also why did they swallow Chinese bullshit about the origins of COVID?
Why did they give it a neutral name, while happily referring for decades to German measles and Spanish influenza, amongst others?
And why did they back lockdowns and travel restrictions when China did, despite clearly thinking before the pandemic that both were pointless and counterproductive?
The WHO has long been more obsessed about lifestyle issues than anything practical.
Trump is right on this
He is wrong.
The WHO will have saved millions of lives through its various projects and schemes - the Smallpox eradication programme alone (launched in the late 50s) will have saved millions.
Trump has put an anti-vaxxer at the heart of his government, involved with medicine.
Is the WHO perfect? No. Would the world be better if they did not exist? Hell, no.
No, he is right.
The WHO may have been fit for purpose once but that was a long whole ago. The late fifties and sixties fine, but they need reform and if the Trumpdozer's actions help bring that about all well and good.
I will judge RFK JR by what he does as well.
I judge RFK by what he does - he is a grifting anti-vaxxer who sells a whole pile of anti-science garbage.
I judge Trump by what he does - he is a proven criminal, cheat and fraudster. And far more….
Both are occasionally right - Trump on European rearmament, RFK on some food standards.
But in both cases that is a tiny, tiny portion of their portfolios. Which are otherwise uniformly shit.
RFK Junior's grifting has already killed lots of people. Here's a summary of just part of it in a well-known left-wing rag:
Andrew Wakefield with a bigger grift, essentially.
It's odd how @Sandpit ignores this whilst castigating the WHO...
It’s possible to hold two positions at one time.
RFK is a threat to global health. His comments on polio have caused extraordinary anger in the industry
The WHO is an organisation that China has successfully corrupted and, as a result, has lost sight of its purpose and mission. It plays politics where it shouldn’t.
One thing Trump's executive orders do U.S. surrender a huge amount of influence to an authoritarian dictatorship.
..During the regular daily foreign ministry briefing, spokesperson Guo Jiakun said China is concerned at Trump’s announcement the US is again withdrawing from the Paris climate deal. Reuters quotes the official saying China is actively responding to climate change and will jointly promote global green and low-carbon transition.
The spokesperson also said that the World Health Organization should only be strengthened, not weakened. He said China would continue to support it in fulfilling its responsibilities. ..
BREAKING: Donald Trump has signed an executive order withdrawing the US from the World Health Organisation
Ah. That's the first surprise. Damn. I worked with the WHO once, albeit briefly and with a peripheral organisations. It was one of the few moments in my life when what I did mattered on a global scale. Due to financial pressures I had to go work in the private sector instead, a source of some regret.
WHO is a horrifically political and corrupted organisation.
Why didn’t they provide Taiwan with any assistance or guidance on the spread of the COVID pandemic?
Also why did they swallow Chinese bullshit about the origins of COVID?
Why did they give it a neutral name, while happily referring for decades to German measles and Spanish influenza, amongst others?
And why did they back lockdowns and travel restrictions when China did, despite clearly thinking before the pandemic that both were pointless and counterproductive?
The WHO has long been more obsessed about lifestyle issues than anything practical.
Trump is right on this
He is wrong.
The WHO will have saved millions of lives through its various projects and schemes - the Smallpox eradication programme alone (launched in the late 50s) will have saved millions.
Trump has put an anti-vaxxer at the heart of his government, involved with medicine.
Is the WHO perfect? No. Would the world be better if they did not exist? Hell, no.
No, he is right.
The WHO may have been fit for purpose once but that was a long whole ago. The late fifties and sixties fine, but they need reform and if the Trumpdozer's actions help bring that about all well and good.
I will judge RFK JR by what he does as well.
I judge RFK by what he does - he is a grifting anti-vaxxer who sells a whole pile of anti-science garbage.
I judge Trump by what he does - he is a proven criminal, cheat and fraudster. And far more….
Both are occasionally right - Trump on European rearmament, RFK on some food standards.
But in both cases that is a tiny, tiny portion of their portfolios. Which are otherwise uniformly shit.
RFK Junior's grifting has already killed lots of people. Here's a summary of just part of it in a well-known left-wing rag:
Andrew Wakefield with a bigger grift, essentially.
It's odd how @Sandpit ignores this whilst castigating the WHO...
It’s possible to hold two positions at one time.
RFK is a threat to global health. His comments on polio have caused extraordinary anger in the industry
The WHO is an organisation that China has successfully corrupted and, as a result, has lost sight of its purpose and mission. It plays politics where it shouldn’t.
Can you give some specific examples of WHO’s errors? I’m not saying the organisation is perfect, just wondering what in particular concerns you.
Joe Biden has “pre emptively” pardoned Antony Fauci, who:
1. Circumvented US law to enable dangerous gain of function virology at Wuhan - no one questions this
2 Quite likely - but we cannot be certain - therefore enabled the deaths of 20 million people
3. Instituted a cover-up of the possibility of a lab leak (thereby disguising his own involvement) - again, like point 1, this is not disputed
In comparison to the PRE EMPTIVE pardon given to fauci for all this, pardoning a few drunken MAGA rioters is small beer indeed
Yeah, right.
Or on the other hand: he was a good man trying to do a good job, who anti-vaxxers and associated low-IQ fuckwits don't like.
Do you want me to adduce all of the evidence for points 1 and 3? Because it is very readily available and so overwhelming it is beyond serious doubt
I think point 2 is beyond serious doubt but in the spirit of love and charity I will allow it as “unproven”
You have proven yourself incapable of determining the validity of 'evidence' many, many times in the past. Why should we think you've suddenly gained either intelligence or morality?
Russia wants a deal; Putin has stated his starting position many times.
It is essentially a Ukrainian surrender, with Russia gaining territory it does not hold, e.g. all of Kherson.
There are reports that pre-Christmas the Trump team were updated on the real situation with the Russian economy, not the Kremlin reported one, and that opened their eyes to Putin's weakness, shifting their position from "give him what he wants". In Trump's world everything is transactional, and when they spot a weakness they will exploit it. They are now wise to Russia's / Putin's weakness.
Trump's view on Ukraine is (a) America shouldn't be spending one dollar supporting the country and (b) as a consummate deal maker he, Trump, will sort it all out.
Problem is, the situation isn't actually a transactional one, Trump is a lousy deal maker and without support Ukraine runs the risk of collapse. All of which plays to Putin's advantage.
How long will it be before Farage, Truss or some other home grown right winger promises to take back Suez?
NF doesn't need to. The Fukkers' path to power is apparent and very simple:
Zero immigration Hydrocarbon based energy No more woke
Anybody thinking that a political commitment has to be somehow coupled to a capacity to deliver it is guilty of pure 22/06/16 thinking.
Not without an economic offer it won't.
What you lay out will scoop dozens of seats but it's not enough to put him into power.
The economic offer will be N Sea oil plus deregulation. As Dura notes, it doesn't have to be particularly coherent.
The North Sea oil doesn’t even need to be cheap or easy to extract. Just there.
All of this is like a political party in the 1780s promising to halt woke coal mining and open up our forests again to deregulated firewood collection.
It would be difficult to imagine a by-election more suited to Reform. The timing will be interesting. For Reform obviously before the May Council Elections so a success can lead to more success in the council elections. For Labour Council Election Day itself. Of course Labour will want to keep it hanging on until July but that in itself will be a folly as it would interfere with celebrations of the first glorious year of the 1,000 year Reich. For the Tories the best day would be the same one as the by-election caused by Tulip's arrest / deportation as we have quite a chance there. The Lib Dems will deny there is any by-election and Ed Davey will fill the media with his latest album of cute red squirrel photos - probably grey squirrels really as I doubt he can tell the difference.
A bit waspish there, my friend. Still smarting from Tim Farron scraping home by 21,500 last July or are you worried about dropping to third or fourth next time?
BREAKING: Donald Trump has signed an executive order withdrawing the US from the World Health Organisation
Ah. That's the first surprise. Damn. I worked with the WHO once, albeit briefly and with a peripheral organisations. It was one of the few moments in my life when what I did mattered on a global scale. Due to financial pressures I had to go work in the private sector instead, a source of some regret.
WHO is a horrifically political and corrupted organisation.
Why didn’t they provide Taiwan with any assistance or guidance on the spread of the COVID pandemic?
Also why did they swallow Chinese bullshit about the origins of COVID?
Why did they give it a neutral name, while happily referring for decades to German measles and Spanish influenza, amongst others?
And why did they back lockdowns and travel restrictions when China did, despite clearly thinking before the pandemic that both were pointless and counterproductive?
The WHO has long been more obsessed about lifestyle issues than anything practical.
Trump is right on this
He is wrong.
The WHO will have saved millions of lives through its various projects and schemes - the Smallpox eradication programme alone (launched in the late 50s) will have saved millions.
Trump has put an anti-vaxxer at the heart of his government, involved with medicine.
Is the WHO perfect? No. Would the world be better if they did not exist? Hell, no.
No, he is right.
The WHO may have been fit for purpose once but that was a long whole ago. The late fifties and sixties fine, but they need reform and if the Trumpdozer's actions help bring that about all well and good.
I will judge RFK JR by what he does as well.
I judge RFK by what he does - he is a grifting anti-vaxxer who sells a whole pile of anti-science garbage.
I judge Trump by what he does - he is a proven criminal, cheat and fraudster. And far more….
Both are occasionally right - Trump on European rearmament, RFK on some food standards.
But in both cases that is a tiny, tiny portion of their portfolios. Which are otherwise uniformly shit.
RFK Junior's grifting has already killed lots of people. Here's a summary of just part of it in a well-known left-wing rag:
Andrew Wakefield with a bigger grift, essentially.
It's odd how @Sandpit ignores this whilst castigating the WHO...
It’s possible to hold two positions at one time.
RFK is a threat to global health. His comments on polio have caused extraordinary anger in the industry
The WHO is an organisation that China has successfully corrupted and, as a result, has lost sight of its purpose and mission. It plays politics where it shouldn’t.
Has the WHO 'successfully corrupted' in reality, as opposed to right-wing MAGA-types accusations? And if so, how much of that is down to Trump and the GOP not working with it?
But as I've said passim, the WHO has done, and does do, much great work. The real reason Trump and the GOP don't want to be part of it is because it stops them doing dangerous stuff they want to do.
BREAKING: Donald Trump has signed an executive order withdrawing the US from the World Health Organisation
Ah. That's the first surprise. Damn. I worked with the WHO once, albeit briefly and with a peripheral organisations. It was one of the few moments in my life when what I did mattered on a global scale. Due to financial pressures I had to go work in the private sector instead, a source of some regret.
WHO is a horrifically political and corrupted organisation.
Why didn’t they provide Taiwan with any assistance or guidance on the spread of the COVID pandemic?
Also why did they swallow Chinese bullshit about the origins of COVID?
Why did they give it a neutral name, while happily referring for decades to German measles and Spanish influenza, amongst others?
And why did they back lockdowns and travel restrictions when China did, despite clearly thinking before the pandemic that both were pointless and counterproductive?
The WHO has long been more obsessed about lifestyle issues than anything practical.
Trump is right on this
He is wrong.
The WHO will have saved millions of lives through its various projects and schemes - the Smallpox eradication programme alone (launched in the late 50s) will have saved millions.
Trump has put an anti-vaxxer at the heart of his government, involved with medicine.
Is the WHO perfect? No. Would the world be better if they did not exist? Hell, no.
No, he is right.
The WHO may have been fit for purpose once but that was a long whole ago. The late fifties and sixties fine, but they need reform and if the Trumpdozer's actions help bring that about all well and good.
I will judge RFK JR by what he does as well.
I judge RFK by what he does - he is a grifting anti-vaxxer who sells a whole pile of anti-science garbage.
I judge Trump by what he does - he is a proven criminal, cheat and fraudster. And far more….
Both are occasionally right - Trump on European rearmament, RFK on some food standards.
But in both cases that is a tiny, tiny portion of their portfolios. Which are otherwise uniformly shit.
RFK Junior's grifting has already killed lots of people. Here's a summary of just part of it in a well-known left-wing rag:
Andrew Wakefield with a bigger grift, essentially.
It's odd how @Sandpit ignores this whilst castigating the WHO...
It’s possible to hold two positions at one time.
RFK is a threat to global health. His comments on polio have caused extraordinary anger in the industry
The WHO is an organisation that China has successfully corrupted and, as a result, has lost sight of its purpose and mission. It plays politics where it shouldn’t.
Can you give some specific examples of WHO’s errors? I’m not saying the organisation is perfect, just wondering what in particular concerns you.
Deciding that there was no way the coronavirus came from the wuhan lab - because that’s what the Chinese told WHO’s investigative team who went to Wuhan. WHO simply accepted this at face value. Why would China lie about such an important thing
As for that team sent by WHO to Wuhan, China made sure that the only senior western scientist on the “investigative team” was none other than Peter Daszak - the guy who led the coronavirus research at Wuhan (funded by Fauci)
It’s all so brazen it’s kinda breathtaking
Indeed even WHO came to admit this and confessed that “maybe they’d been a bit hasty” in ruling out lab leak. And maybe appointing Daszak to the team wasn’t such a superb idea
BREAKING: Donald Trump has signed an executive order withdrawing the US from the World Health Organisation
Ah. That's the first surprise. Damn. I worked with the WHO once, albeit briefly and with a peripheral organisations. It was one of the few moments in my life when what I did mattered on a global scale. Due to financial pressures I had to go work in the private sector instead, a source of some regret.
WHO is a horrifically political and corrupted organisation.
Why didn’t they provide Taiwan with any assistance or guidance on the spread of the COVID pandemic?
Also why did they swallow Chinese bullshit about the origins of COVID?
Why did they give it a neutral name, while happily referring for decades to German measles and Spanish influenza, amongst others?
And why did they back lockdowns and travel restrictions when China did, despite clearly thinking before the pandemic that both were pointless and counterproductive?
The WHO has long been more obsessed about lifestyle issues than anything practical.
Trump is right on this
He is wrong.
The WHO will have saved millions of lives through its various projects and schemes - the Smallpox eradication programme alone (launched in the late 50s) will have saved millions.
Trump has put an anti-vaxxer at the heart of his government, involved with medicine.
Is the WHO perfect? No. Would the world be better if they did not exist? Hell, no.
No, he is right.
The WHO may have been fit for purpose once but that was a long whole ago. The late fifties and sixties fine, but they need reform and if the Trumpdozer's actions help bring that about all well and good.
I will judge RFK JR by what he does as well.
I judge RFK by what he does - he is a grifting anti-vaxxer who sells a whole pile of anti-science garbage.
I judge Trump by what he does - he is a proven criminal, cheat and fraudster. And far more….
Both are occasionally right - Trump on European rearmament, RFK on some food standards.
But in both cases that is a tiny, tiny portion of their portfolios. Which are otherwise uniformly shit.
RFK Junior's grifting has already killed lots of people. Here's a summary of just part of it in a well-known left-wing rag:
Andrew Wakefield with a bigger grift, essentially.
It's odd how @Sandpit ignores this whilst castigating the WHO...
It’s possible to hold two positions at one time.
RFK is a threat to global health. His comments on polio have caused extraordinary anger in the industry
The WHO is an organisation that China has successfully corrupted and, as a result, has lost sight of its purpose and mission. It plays politics where it shouldn’t.
Has the WHO 'successfully corrupted' in reality, as opposed to right-wing MAGA-types accusations? And if so, how much of that is down to Trump and the GOP not working with it?
But as I've said passim, the WHO has done, and does do, much great work. The real reason Trump and the GOP don't want to be part of it is because it stops them doing dangerous stuff they want to do.
And who would be the recipients of these reparations and manage them.
Organisations like Oxfam, of course. Organisations interested in managing problems, do they ever solve any ? If they did their raison d'etre disappears.
Britain should pay reparations to India, an Oxfam International report has suggested.
It argued that former colonial powers should pay reparations to former colonies to compensate for the transfer of wealth it claims took place under imperial rule.
It cited analysis that showed that between 1765 and 1900, Britain extracted $64.82 trillion (£52.58 trillion) from India.
“The cost of reparations should be borne by the richest, who benefited the most from colonialism.”
It is the first time the charity has called for such a move.
The report proposed that Western countries commit to paying former colonies a minimum of $5 trillion (£4 trillion) annually in reparations and “climate debt” – the amount of money Western countries are said to owe poorer ones to account for the costs of climate change.
Joe Biden has “pre emptively” pardoned Antony Fauci, who:
1. Circumvented US law to enable dangerous gain of function virology at Wuhan - no one questions this
2 Quite likely - but we cannot be certain - therefore enabled the deaths of 20 million people
3. Instituted a cover-up of the possibility of a lab leak (thereby disguising his own involvement) - again, like point 1, this is not disputed
In comparison to the PRE EMPTIVE pardon given to fauci for all this, pardoning a few drunken MAGA rioters is small beer indeed
Yeah, right.
Or on the other hand: he was a good man trying to do a good job, who anti-vaxxers and associated low-IQ fuckwits don't like.
Do you want me to adduce all of the evidence for points 1 and 3? Because it is very readily available and so overwhelming it is beyond serious doubt
I think point 2 is beyond serious doubt but in the spirit of love and charity I will allow it as “unproven”
You have proven yourself incapable of determining the validity of 'evidence' many, many times in the past. Why should we think you've suddenly gained either intelligence or morality?
Antony Fauci, 2012:
“Fauci Argued Benefits of Gain-of-Function Research Outweighed Pandemic Risk in 2012 Paper”
These are Fauci’s words:
“In an unlikely but conceivable turn of events, what if that scientist becomes infected with the virus, which leads to an outbreak and ultimately triggers a pandemic? Many ask reasonable questions: given the possibility of such a scenario – however remote – should the initial experiments have been performed and/or published in the first place, and what were the processes involved in this decision?
Scientists working in this field might say – as indeed I have said – that the benefits of such experiments and the resulting knowledge outweigh the risks. It is more likely that a pandemic would occur in nature, and the need to stay ahead of such a threat is a primary reason for performing an experiment that might appear to be risky.
Within the research community, many have expressed concern that important research progress could come to a halt just because of the fear that someone, somewhere, might attempt to replicate these experiments sloppily. This is a valid concern.”
He KNEW the risks. He PREDICTED IT. Yet he went ahead and funded it anyway
How long will it be before Farage, Truss or some other home grown right winger promises to take back Suez?
NF doesn't need to. The Fukkers' path to power is apparent and very simple:
Zero immigration Hydrocarbon based energy No more woke
Anybody thinking that a political commitment has to be somehow coupled to a capacity to deliver it is guilty of pure 22/06/16 thinking.
Not without an economic offer it won't.
What you lay out will scoop dozens of seats but it's not enough to put him into power.
I'm not sure about that. The polling of Leave (and indeed Yes) voters found that the economy was low on the list of reasons why they voted in that way.
When you have no decent economic prospects, other cultural issues becomes more relatively important, and there is some behavioural evidence (eg Prospect theory) that losing something is much more of a concern to people than gaining something.
They've already lost their economic wellbeing; now they are worried about losing some vague notion of what it means to be culturally British. That will always be far more potent than some vague investment or infrastructure plan.
It would be difficult to imagine a by-election more suited to Reform. The timing will be interesting. For Reform obviously before the May Council Elections so a success can lead to more success in the council elections. For Labour Council Election Day itself. Of course Labour will want to keep it hanging on until July but that in itself will be a folly as it would interfere with celebrations of the first glorious year of the 1,000 year Reich. For the Tories the best day would be the same one as the by-election caused by Tulip's arrest / deportation as we have quite a chance there. The Lib Dems will deny there is any by-election and Ed Davey will fill the media with his latest album of cute red squirrel photos - probably grey squirrels really as I doubt he can tell the difference.
I think Runcorn is short of perfect for Reform WRT winning. There are seats they would be more or less guaranteed to win. This isn't one of them, and I feel the odds are about right.
It may be perfect in another way; the swing required is enormous, and even if they do well but don't win it is a significant propaganda coup.
Timing may be important. If voting were today Reform would win - there is a Trumpian mood around which is infectious, but what that will feel like in a few weeks or months is the big unknown.
The other strong case for Reform at Runcorn is that no other party's usual supporters have any good reason to turn out. Tepid support is the best available at the moment.
And who would be the recipients of these reparations and manage them.
Organisations like Oxfam, of course. Organisations interested in managing problems, do they ever solve any ? If they did their raison d'etre disappears.
Britain should pay reparations to India, an Oxfam International report has suggested.
It argued that former colonial powers should pay reparations to former colonies to compensate for the transfer of wealth it claims took place under imperial rule.
It cited analysis that showed that between 1765 and 1900, Britain extracted $64.82 trillion (£52.58 trillion) from India.
“The cost of reparations should be borne by the richest, who benefited the most from colonialism.”
It is the first time the charity has called for such a move.
The report proposed that Western countries commit to paying former colonies a minimum of $5 trillion (£4 trillion) annually in reparations and “climate debt” – the amount of money Western countries are said to owe poorer ones to account for the costs of climate change.
Joe Biden has “pre emptively” pardoned Antony Fauci, who:
1. Circumvented US law to enable dangerous gain of function virology at Wuhan - no one questions this
2 Quite likely - but we cannot be certain - therefore enabled the deaths of 20 million people
3. Instituted a cover-up of the possibility of a lab leak (thereby disguising his own involvement) - again, like point 1, this is not disputed
In comparison to the PRE EMPTIVE pardon given to fauci for all this, pardoning a few drunken MAGA rioters is small beer indeed
Yeah, right.
Or on the other hand: he was a good man trying to do a good job, who anti-vaxxers and associated low-IQ fuckwits don't like.
Do you want me to adduce all of the evidence for points 1 and 3? Because it is very readily available and so overwhelming it is beyond serious doubt
I think point 2 is beyond serious doubt but in the spirit of love and charity I will allow it as “unproven”
You have proven yourself incapable of determining the validity of 'evidence' many, many times in the past. Why should we think you've suddenly gained either intelligence or morality?
Antony Fauci, 2012:
“Fauci Argued Benefits of Gain-of-Function Research Outweighed Pandemic Risk in 2012 Paper”
These are Fauci’s words:
“In an unlikely but conceivable turn of events, what if that scientist becomes infected with the virus, which leads to an outbreak and ultimately triggers a pandemic? Many ask reasonable questions: given the possibility of such a scenario – however remote – should the initial experiments have been performed and/or published in the first place, and what were the processes involved in this decision?
Scientists working in this field might say – as indeed I have said – that the benefits of such experiments and the resulting knowledge outweigh the risks. It is more likely that a pandemic would occur in nature, and the need to stay ahead of such a threat is a primary reason for performing an experiment that might appear to be risky.
Within the research community, many have expressed concern that important research progress could come to a halt just because of the fear that someone, somewhere, might attempt to replicate these experiments sloppily. This is a valid concern.”
He KNEW the risks. He PREDICTED IT. Yet he went ahead and funded it anyway
Firstly, that assumes it was certainly a lab leak - and one from an engineered virus. I know you've 100% convinced that's the truth, but for anyone sane there's more than a little doubt there.
Secondly, you ignore what he's saying: that the benefits of such research outweighed the risks. That may have been a wise call at the time, and (whispers quietly) may even be a correct call now, with care. It is about balancing risks. And your argument is used by anti-vaxxers to stop vaccine development.
You are a dangerous fool on this matter. We should tighten up restrictions on labs *and* stop anything like wet markets. Your onanistic belief that you are right will lead to disaster in the future.
The difference us that last timed ScheduleF came towards the end if his administration, and there were no lists of federal employees to be targeted. Since then, Project 2025.
If what Elon did wasn’t a Nazi salute then do it tomorrow at work.
“My heart goes out to you” could be the new get out of jail free preamble.
It still seems to me that he wasn’t intending a Nazi salute at the time but doesn’t care if that’s how it looked.
It’s the firming up of his jowls and the aggressive bite of the lower lip as if Musk was pushing out a turd or stamping on a cockroach that makes me unconvinced he was indulging in a sugary giving out of his heart. In any case he’s probably getting a lot of adolescent pleasure from people thinking it was a Nazi salute.
Russia wants a deal; Putin has stated his starting position many times.
It is essentially a Ukrainian surrender, with Russia gaining territory it does not hold, e.g. all of Kherson.
He said Russia should “make” a deal. That implies a demand for compromise
Interview on R4 this morning with some Trump insider - ex military or foreign service - seen a lot of the plans etc. was fairly sane.
He claimed that Trump will tell Putin “stop or I give Ukraine everything they want” and will tell Zelensky “you haven’t done all you can and should have thrown in the younger men who are fitter and stronger and would massively boost numbers so if you can’t be bothered to call all resources to the colours then why should we make more effort”.
He didn’t seem like a nut, seemed well informed on international relations and pretty balanced so if he does know what will he said then who knows how that would work out.
Joe Biden has “pre emptively” pardoned Antony Fauci, who:
1. Circumvented US law to enable dangerous gain of function virology at Wuhan - no one questions this
2 Quite likely - but we cannot be certain - therefore enabled the deaths of 20 million people
3. Instituted a cover-up of the possibility of a lab leak (thereby disguising his own involvement) - again, like point 1, this is not disputed
In comparison to the PRE EMPTIVE pardon given to fauci for all this, pardoning a few drunken MAGA rioters is small beer indeed
Yeah, right.
Or on the other hand: he was a good man trying to do a good job, who anti-vaxxers and associated low-IQ fuckwits don't like.
Do you want me to adduce all of the evidence for points 1 and 3? Because it is very readily available and so overwhelming it is beyond serious doubt
I think point 2 is beyond serious doubt but in the spirit of love and charity I will allow it as “unproven”
You have proven yourself incapable of determining the validity of 'evidence' many, many times in the past. Why should we think you've suddenly gained either intelligence or morality?
Antony Fauci, 2012:
“Fauci Argued Benefits of Gain-of-Function Research Outweighed Pandemic Risk in 2012 Paper”
These are Fauci’s words:
“In an unlikely but conceivable turn of events, what if that scientist becomes infected with the virus, which leads to an outbreak and ultimately triggers a pandemic? Many ask reasonable questions: given the possibility of such a scenario – however remote – should the initial experiments have been performed and/or published in the first place, and what were the processes involved in this decision?
Scientists working in this field might say – as indeed I have said – that the benefits of such experiments and the resulting knowledge outweigh the risks. It is more likely that a pandemic would occur in nature, and the need to stay ahead of such a threat is a primary reason for performing an experiment that might appear to be risky.
Within the research community, many have expressed concern that important research progress could come to a halt just because of the fear that someone, somewhere, might attempt to replicate these experiments sloppily. This is a valid concern.”
He KNEW the risks. He PREDICTED IT. Yet he went ahead and funded it anyway
Firstly, that assumes it was certainly a lab leak - and one from an engineered virus. I know you've 100% convinced that's the truth, but for anyone sane there's more than a little doubt there.
Secondly, you ignore what he's saying: that the benefits of such research outweighed the risks. That may have been a wise call at the time, and (whispers quietly) may even be a correct call now, with care. It is about balancing risks. And your argument is used by anti-vaxxers to stop vaccine development.
You are a dangerous fool on this matter. We should tighten up restrictions on labs *and* stop anything like wet markets. Your onanistic belief that you are right will lead to disaster in the future.
lol!
Sometimes I think you’re just plain weird. A weirdo. This is one such moment, weirdo
BREAKING: Donald Trump has signed an executive order withdrawing the US from the World Health Organisation
Ah. That's the first surprise. Damn. I worked with the WHO once, albeit briefly and with a peripheral organisations. It was one of the few moments in my life when what I did mattered on a global scale. Due to financial pressures I had to go work in the private sector instead, a source of some regret.
WHO is a horrifically political and corrupted organisation.
Why didn’t they provide Taiwan with any assistance or guidance on the spread of the COVID pandemic?
Also why did they swallow Chinese bullshit about the origins of COVID?
Why did they give it a neutral name, while happily referring for decades to German measles and Spanish influenza, amongst others?
And why did they back lockdowns and travel restrictions when China did, despite clearly thinking before the pandemic that both were pointless and counterproductive?
The WHO has long been more obsessed about lifestyle issues than anything practical.
Trump is right on this
He is wrong.
The WHO will have saved millions of lives through its various projects and schemes - the Smallpox eradication programme alone (launched in the late 50s) will have saved millions.
Trump has put an anti-vaxxer at the heart of his government, involved with medicine.
Is the WHO perfect? No. Would the world be better if they did not exist? Hell, no.
No, he is right.
The WHO may have been fit for purpose once but that was a long whole ago. The late fifties and sixties fine, but they need reform and if the Trumpdozer's actions help bring that about all well and good.
I will judge RFK JR by what he does as well.
I judge RFK by what he does - he is a grifting anti-vaxxer who sells a whole pile of anti-science garbage.
I judge Trump by what he does - he is a proven criminal, cheat and fraudster. And far more….
Both are occasionally right - Trump on European rearmament, RFK on some food standards.
But in both cases that is a tiny, tiny portion of their portfolios. Which are otherwise uniformly shit.
RFK Junior's grifting has already killed lots of people. Here's a summary of just part of it in a well-known left-wing rag:
Andrew Wakefield with a bigger grift, essentially.
It's odd how @Sandpit ignores this whilst castigating the WHO...
It’s possible to hold two positions at one time.
RFK is a threat to global health. His comments on polio have caused extraordinary anger in the industry
The WHO is an organisation that China has successfully corrupted and, as a result, has lost sight of its purpose and mission. It plays politics where it shouldn’t.
Has the WHO 'successfully corrupted' in reality, as opposed to right-wing MAGA-types accusations? And if so, how much of that is down to Trump and the GOP not working with it?
But as I've said passim, the WHO has done, and does do, much great work. The real reason Trump and the GOP don't want to be part of it is because it stops them doing dangerous stuff they want to do.
That must be it.
It's certainly part of it. Say RFK Jr and the administration want to stop all measles vaccinations - which is not outside the realms of possibility. The WHO would be a strong voice calling that out as suicidally dangerous. But since they are not part of the WHO, and are constantly bad-mouthing the WHO, they don't need to take any notice of it. The WHO are the enemy.
Here's a prediction: it will be the same for all supranational organisations not controlled by the Americans. Perhaps even the UN. If Trump and the GOP cannot control it, they don't want it.
Russia wants a deal; Putin has stated his starting position many times.
It is essentially a Ukrainian surrender, with Russia gaining territory it does not hold, e.g. all of Kherson.
He said Russia should “make” a deal. That implies a demand for compromise
Interview on R4 this morning with some Trump insider - ex military or foreign service - seen a lot of the plans etc. was fairly sane.
He claimed that Trump will tell Putin “stop or I give Ukraine everything they want” and will tell Zelensky “you haven’t done all you can and should have thrown in the younger men who are fitter and stronger and would massively boost numbers so if you can’t be bothered to call all resources to the colours then why should we make more effort”.
He didn’t seem like a nut, seemed well informed on international relations and pretty balanced so if he does know what will he said then who knows how that would work out.
Look, some of those younger men might have bone spurs.
If what Elon did wasn’t a Nazi salute then do it tomorrow at work.
“My heart goes out to you” could be the new get out of jail free preamble.
It still seems to me that he wasn’t intending a Nazi salute at the time but doesn’t care if that’s how it looked.
It’s the firming up of his jowls and the aggressive bite of the lower lip as if Musk was pushing out a turd or stamping on a cockroach that makes me unconvinced he was indulging in a sugary giving out of his heart. In any case he’s probably getting a lot of adolescent pleasure from people thinking it was a Nazi salute.
Watch the whole thing. He came on jumping around like a toddler. Then pulled a face and thumped the lectern with both hands saying this is what victory tastes like. Then the Nurenberg bit of the rally. Then more performative acting showing what inserting a flag into Mars would be like.
The salutes were only one part of the show of madness
Russia wants a deal; Putin has stated his starting position many times.
It is essentially a Ukrainian surrender, with Russia gaining territory it does not hold, e.g. all of Kherson.
He said Russia should “make” a deal. That implies a demand for compromise
Interview on R4 this morning with some Trump insider - ex military or foreign service - seen a lot of the plans etc. was fairly sane.
He claimed that Trump will tell Putin “stop or I give Ukraine everything they want” and will tell Zelensky “you haven’t done all you can and should have thrown in the younger men who are fitter and stronger and would massively boost numbers so if you can’t be bothered to call all resources to the colours then why should we make more effort”.
He didn’t seem like a nut, seemed well informed on international relations and pretty balanced so if he does know what will he said then who knows how that would work out.
Apparently it was Robert Wilkie who is in charge of the Pentagon transition team for Trump.
Also said if Chagos deal happens Trump will be very very unhappy with UK.
It would be difficult to imagine a by-election more suited to Reform. The timing will be interesting. For Reform obviously before the May Council Elections so a success can lead to more success in the council elections. For Labour Council Election Day itself. Of course Labour will want to keep it hanging on until July but that in itself will be a folly as it would interfere with celebrations of the first glorious year of the 1,000 year Reich. For the Tories the best day would be the same one as the by-election caused by Tulip's arrest / deportation as we have quite a chance there. The Lib Dems will deny there is any by-election and Ed Davey will fill the media with his latest album of cute red squirrel photos - probably grey squirrels really as I doubt he can tell the difference.
I agree it is a great opportunity for Reform and would expect them to win and win well.
After that your post goes really odd: '1000 year reich'?, Tulips deportation?, Tories winning Hampstead? and the really odd stuff on squirrels.
This follows your post of a few days ago where you refer to Kemi B as a 'Coconut' and Keir S as 'Evil'.
If what Elon did wasn’t a Nazi salute then do it tomorrow at work.
“My heart goes out to you” could be the new get out of jail free preamble.
It still seems to me that he wasn’t intending a Nazi salute at the time but doesn’t care if that’s how it looked.
It’s the firming up of his jowls and the aggressive bite of the lower lip as if Musk was pushing out a turd or stamping on a cockroach that makes me unconvinced he was indulging in a sugary giving out of his heart. In any case he’s probably getting a lot of adolescent pleasure from people thinking it was a Nazi salute.
I rather admire Musk in many ways - despite his serious character flaws, I believe his titanic achievements far outweigh the bad stuff
However I’m not going to defend him on this. The first salute might have been some weird star trek geek thing but he’s very smart and you can see on his face he kinda realises what he’s doing and the second was therefore deliberate. To enrage lefties, probably
Joe Biden has “pre emptively” pardoned Antony Fauci, who:
1. Circumvented US law to enable dangerous gain of function virology at Wuhan - no one questions this
2 Quite likely - but we cannot be certain - therefore enabled the deaths of 20 million people
3. Instituted a cover-up of the possibility of a lab leak (thereby disguising his own involvement) - again, like point 1, this is not disputed
In comparison to the PRE EMPTIVE pardon given to fauci for all this, pardoning a few drunken MAGA rioters is small beer indeed
Yeah, right.
Or on the other hand: he was a good man trying to do a good job, who anti-vaxxers and associated low-IQ fuckwits don't like.
Do you want me to adduce all of the evidence for points 1 and 3? Because it is very readily available and so overwhelming it is beyond serious doubt
I think point 2 is beyond serious doubt but in the spirit of love and charity I will allow it as “unproven”
You have proven yourself incapable of determining the validity of 'evidence' many, many times in the past. Why should we think you've suddenly gained either intelligence or morality?
Antony Fauci, 2012:
“Fauci Argued Benefits of Gain-of-Function Research Outweighed Pandemic Risk in 2012 Paper”
These are Fauci’s words:
“In an unlikely but conceivable turn of events, what if that scientist becomes infected with the virus, which leads to an outbreak and ultimately triggers a pandemic? Many ask reasonable questions: given the possibility of such a scenario – however remote – should the initial experiments have been performed and/or published in the first place, and what were the processes involved in this decision?
Scientists working in this field might say – as indeed I have said – that the benefits of such experiments and the resulting knowledge outweigh the risks. It is more likely that a pandemic would occur in nature, and the need to stay ahead of such a threat is a primary reason for performing an experiment that might appear to be risky.
Within the research community, many have expressed concern that important research progress could come to a halt just because of the fear that someone, somewhere, might attempt to replicate these experiments sloppily. This is a valid concern.”
He KNEW the risks. He PREDICTED IT. Yet he went ahead and funded it anyway
Firstly, that assumes it was certainly a lab leak - and one from an engineered virus. I know you've 100% convinced that's the truth, but for anyone sane there's more than a little doubt there.
Secondly, you ignore what he's saying: that the benefits of such research outweighed the risks. That may have been a wise call at the time, and (whispers quietly) may even be a correct call now, with care. It is about balancing risks. And your argument is used by anti-vaxxers to stop vaccine development.
You are a dangerous fool on this matter. We should tighten up restrictions on labs *and* stop anything like wet markets. Your onanistic belief that you are right will lead to disaster in the future.
lol!
Sometimes I think you’re just plain weird. A weirdo. This is one such moment, weirdo
The difference us that last timed ScheduleF came towards the end if his administration, and there were no lists of federal employees to be targeted. Since then, Project 2025.
I don't think those saying that Trump is too disorganised to do much appreciate that there's a set of loons now in the administration who are.
Your last point is central to everything. There is no sense in which this project is about one charismatic individual. It's about Trumpism (or whatever it shall come to be called), and it has a large body of powerful supporters, influencers and organisers. Some will believe it, some will follow the money, and certainly they will fight with each other.
I wonder (speculating) whether a sort of parallel phenomenon is Great Britain - politics, influence, assumptions - from approximately the great reform act of 1832 to 1914.
It would be difficult to imagine a by-election more suited to Reform. The timing will be interesting. For Reform obviously before the May Council Elections so a success can lead to more success in the council elections. For Labour Council Election Day itself. Of course Labour will want to keep it hanging on until July but that in itself will be a folly as it would interfere with celebrations of the first glorious year of the 1,000 year Reich. For the Tories the best day would be the same one as the by-election caused by Tulip's arrest / deportation as we have quite a chance there. The Lib Dems will deny there is any by-election and Ed Davey will fill the media with his latest album of cute red squirrel photos - probably grey squirrels really as I doubt he can tell the difference.
I agree it is a great opportunity for Reform and would expect them to win and win well.
After that your post goes really odd: '1000 year reich'?, Tulips deportation?, Tories winning Hampstead? and the really odd stuff on squirrels.
This follows your post of a few days ago where you refer to Kemi B as a 'Coconut' and Keir S as 'Evil'.
This content is really weird.
As well as his outrageous comments about Sir Ed and squirrels.
Some of the US right are disturbed to realise that Vance has an Indian wife.
I enjoyed Vance’s book, his story is classic Americana rags to riches, and when he talks and tweets, overall he seems to say the right things, but this picture just confronts you with the messy realities of globalism. It makes you feel like you are getting hoodwinked yet again. https://x.com/_kruptos/status/1881097056162619491 2.3m views.
If what Elon did wasn’t a Nazi salute then do it tomorrow at work.
Exactly.
There is no way a member of the UK government, or opposition, could stand on a platform at a political rally, then do that salute, twice, and keep their job. They'd be out of office and out of their party the same day.
If what Elon did wasn’t a Nazi salute then do it tomorrow at work.
“My heart goes out to you” could be the new get out of jail free preamble.
It still seems to me that he wasn’t intending a Nazi salute at the time but doesn’t care if that’s how it looked.
It’s the firming up of his jowls and the aggressive bite of the lower lip as if Musk was pushing out a turd or stamping on a cockroach that makes me unconvinced he was indulging in a sugary giving out of his heart. In any case he’s probably getting a lot of adolescent pleasure from people thinking it was a Nazi salute.
He's clearly off his fucking head and is about 5-10 years away from going full Howard Hughes. Shuffling round a gloomy Las Vegas hotel suite with tissue boxes on his feet while being tended to by a coterie of silent Mormons. Many jars of cloudy piss line the walls.
Some of the US right are disturbed to realise that Vance has an Indian wife.
I enjoyed Vance’s book, his story is classic Americana rags to riches, and when he talks and tweets, overall he seems to say the right things, but this picture just confronts you with the messy realities of globalism. It makes you feel like you are getting hoodwinked yet again. https://x.com/_kruptos/status/1881097056162619491 2.3m views.
If only Vance had married a Slovenian underwear model, everything would be fine.
How long will it be before Farage, Truss or some other home grown right winger promises to take back Suez?
NF doesn't need to. The Fukkers' path to power is apparent and very simple:
Zero immigration Hydrocarbon based energy No more woke
Anybody thinking that a political commitment has to be somehow coupled to a capacity to deliver it is guilty of pure 22/06/16 thinking.
Not without an economic offer it won't.
What you lay out will scoop dozens of seats but it's not enough to put him into power.
The economic offer will be N Sea oil plus deregulation. As Dura notes, it doesn't have to be particularly coherent.
The North Sea oil doesn’t even need to be cheap or easy to extract. Just there.
All of this is like a political party in the 1780s promising to halt woke coal mining and open up our forests again to deregulated firewood collection.
Charcoal burning, if they want to sound really modern. But yes.
Some of the US right are disturbed to realise that Vance has an Indian wife.
I enjoyed Vance’s book, his story is classic Americana rags to riches, and when he talks and tweets, overall he seems to say the right things, but this picture just confronts you with the messy realities of globalism. It makes you feel like you are getting hoodwinked yet again. https://x.com/_kruptos/status/1881097056162619491 2.3m views.
Russia wants a deal; Putin has stated his starting position many times.
It is essentially a Ukrainian surrender, with Russia gaining territory it does not hold, e.g. all of Kherson.
He said Russia should “make” a deal. That implies a demand for compromise
Why this fixation with doing a "deal" with Russia?
It implies that such deal is worth the paper it's written on.
Which it clearly wouldn't be:
Budapest Memorandum, Minsk, Conventional Forces in Europe Treaty, the Open Skies Treaty, the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty, the Chemical Weapons Convention, the Geneva Conventions, the Convention Against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment, the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, etc, etc, etc
The way to a lasting peace in Ukraine is using Western weapons and Ukrainian manpower to smash the Russian army in Ukraine. Anything else, and we'll just be back here again in five years, probably at three times the cost.
If what Elon did wasn’t a Nazi salute then do it tomorrow at work.
“My heart goes out to you” could be the new get out of jail free preamble.
It still seems to me that he wasn’t intending a Nazi salute at the time but doesn’t care if that’s how it looked.
It’s the firming up of his jowls and the aggressive bite of the lower lip as if Musk was pushing out a turd or stamping on a cockroach that makes me unconvinced he was indulging in a sugary giving out of his heart. In any case he’s probably getting a lot of adolescent pleasure from people thinking it was a Nazi salute.
I rather admire Musk in many ways - despite his serious character flaws, I believe his titanic achievements far outweigh the bad stuff
However I’m not going to defend him on this. The first salute might have been some weird star trek geek thing but he’s very smart and you can see on his face he kinda realises what he’s doing and the second was therefore deliberate. To enrage lefties, probably
Musk has driven forward space travel and electric vehicles; towering achievements, in spite of manifest and serious personality issues.
It sounds like he’s trying to turn Labour into Reform-lite but without any conviction or any evidence that he desires this. So it is purely performative
The focus groups must be telling Labour that they are existentially endangered by Reform, and the wider culture wars
It sounds like he’s trying to turn Labour into Reform-lite but without any conviction or any evidence that he desires this. So it is purely performative
The focus groups must be telling Labour that they are existentially endangered by Reform, and the wider culture wars
He'd have been better off saying it wasn't terrorism and - making it very clear - the same would be true if this was someone downloading far right material.
If what Elon did wasn’t a Nazi salute then do it tomorrow at work.
“My heart goes out to you” could be the new get out of jail free preamble.
It still seems to me that he wasn’t intending a Nazi salute at the time but doesn’t care if that’s how it looked.
It’s the firming up of his jowls and the aggressive bite of the lower lip as if Musk was pushing out a turd or stamping on a cockroach that makes me unconvinced he was indulging in a sugary giving out of his heart. In any case he’s probably getting a lot of adolescent pleasure from people thinking it was a Nazi salute.
I rather admire Musk in many ways - despite his serious character flaws, I believe his titanic achievements far outweigh the bad stuff
However I’m not going to defend him on this. The first salute might have been some weird star trek geek thing but he’s very smart and you can see on his face he kinda realises what he’s doing and the second was therefore deliberate. To enrage lefties, probably
Musk has driven forward space travel and electric vehicles; towering achievements, in spite of manifest and serious personality issues.
Trump's given him what he wants - the green light for Mars. Musk should go away and get on with that project.
If what Elon did wasn’t a Nazi salute then do it tomorrow at work.
“My heart goes out to you” could be the new get out of jail free preamble.
It still seems to me that he wasn’t intending a Nazi salute at the time but doesn’t care if that’s how it looked.
It’s the firming up of his jowls and the aggressive bite of the lower lip as if Musk was pushing out a turd or stamping on a cockroach that makes me unconvinced he was indulging in a sugary giving out of his heart. In any case he’s probably getting a lot of adolescent pleasure from people thinking it was a Nazi salute.
He's clearly off his fucking head and is about 5-10 years away from going full Howard Hughes. Shuffling round a gloomy Las Vegas hotel suite with tissue boxes on his feet while being tended to by a coterie of silent Mormons. Many jars of cloudy piss line the walls.
Musk will never match the glory of inventing a bra for the enhancement of Jane Russell’s’s magnificent embonpoint.
It sounds like he’s trying to turn Labour into Reform-lite but without any conviction or any evidence that he desires this. So it is purely performative
The focus groups must be telling Labour that they are existentially endangered by Reform, and the wider culture wars
Didn’t the Conservative focus groups say the same?
If what Elon did wasn’t a Nazi salute then do it tomorrow at work.
“My heart goes out to you” could be the new get out of jail free preamble.
It still seems to me that he wasn’t intending a Nazi salute at the time but doesn’t care if that’s how it looked.
It’s the firming up of his jowls and the aggressive bite of the lower lip as if Musk was pushing out a turd or stamping on a cockroach that makes me unconvinced he was indulging in a sugary giving out of his heart. In any case he’s probably getting a lot of adolescent pleasure from people thinking it was a Nazi salute.
I rather admire Musk in many ways - despite his serious character flaws, I believe his titanic achievements far outweigh the bad stuff
However I’m not going to defend him on this. The first salute might have been some weird star trek geek thing but he’s very smart and you can see on his face he kinda realises what he’s doing and the second was therefore deliberate. To enrage lefties, probably
Musk has driven forward space travel and electric vehicles; towering achievements, in spite of manifest and serious personality issues.
Trump's given him what he wants - the green light for Mars. Musk should go away and get on with that project.
Musk is an addict and he’s become entangled in that most heady addiction, the responses of millions of people on social media. He ain’t going away.
If what Elon did wasn’t a Nazi salute then do it tomorrow at work.
“My heart goes out to you” could be the new get out of jail free preamble.
It still seems to me that he wasn’t intending a Nazi salute at the time but doesn’t care if that’s how it looked.
It’s the firming up of his jowls and the aggressive bite of the lower lip as if Musk was pushing out a turd or stamping on a cockroach that makes me unconvinced he was indulging in a sugary giving out of his heart. In any case he’s probably getting a lot of adolescent pleasure from people thinking it was a Nazi salute.
I rather admire Musk in many ways - despite his serious character flaws, I believe his titanic achievements far outweigh the bad stuff
However I’m not going to defend him on this. The first salute might have been some weird star trek geek thing but he’s very smart and you can see on his face he kinda realises what he’s doing and the second was therefore deliberate. To enrage lefties, probably
my defence is that he might be sometimes very smart but is obviously often very stupid. stupid enough not to get the associations of sticking your arm out like that at a political rally? yes that stupid. but you could be right, he is a known nazi-sympathiser and general arsehole so would be in character.
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(Has he given reasons why he acted that way, or was it just drunkenness?)
When I explained to her about the recall petition she was delighted. A chance to get Labour out (or so she thinks).
We shall see I suppose.
If they turn their poll numbers into votes, that could be a springboard to the next step.
If they don’t that could be the deflation of their balloon.
I judge Trump by what he does - he is a proven criminal, cheat and fraudster. And far more….
Both are occasionally right - Trump on European rearmament, RFK on some food standards.
But in both cases that is a tiny, tiny portion of their portfolios. Which are otherwise uniformly shit.
We should be looking to take back France.
This was one of the smaller swings to Labour in July, of 4.1%, so from a nominal 48% in 2019. It was pretty much core vote already.
Voters don't like unnecessary by elections, but even so.
Interesting to see if the Conservatives lose their deposit.
You could probably get that 10% in any constituency in the land, even in Clacton at present.
Newly inaugurated President Trump;
„He (Putin) is destroying Russia. He should make a deal. Zelenskyy wants to make a deal.“
Interesting phrasing coming from him. He puts the ball squarely on Russia. [VIDEO]
https://x.com/Tendar/status/1881597346372547071
Video has full remarks.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/measles-in-samoa/
... And anyone who thinks that giving the bully their lunch money on the first day of school will keep them safe for the years ahead is a fool.
It is essentially a Ukrainian surrender, with Russia gaining territory it does not hold, e.g. all of Kherson.
This chap pitched a much more ambitious plan…
https://youtu.be/X3b9t5IET5M?si=kqiWaauxZA5CyPol
https://x.com/Acyn/status/1881506238489649223 [VIDEO]
@MikeBirnigglia
If what Elon did wasn’t a Nazi salute then do it tomorrow at work.
Joe Biden has “pre emptively” pardoned Antony Fauci, who:
1. Circumvented US law to enable dangerous gain of function virology at Wuhan - no one questions this
2 Quite likely - but we cannot be certain - therefore enabled the deaths of 20 million people
3. Instituted a cover-up of the possibility of a lab leak (thereby disguising his own involvement) - again, like point 1, this is not disputed
In comparison to the PRE EMPTIVE pardon given to fauci for all this, pardoning a few drunken MAGA rioters is small beer indeed
Zero immigration
Hydrocarbon based energy
No more woke
Anybody thinking that a political commitment has to be somehow coupled to a capacity to deliver it is guilty of pure 22/06/16 thinking.
And who would be the recipients of these reparations and manage them.
Organisations like Oxfam, of course. Organisations interested in managing problems, do they ever solve any ? If they did their raison d'etre disappears.
Britain should pay reparations to India, an Oxfam International report has suggested.
It argued that former colonial powers should pay reparations to former colonies to compensate for the transfer of wealth it claims took place under imperial rule.
It cited analysis that showed that between 1765 and 1900, Britain extracted $64.82 trillion (£52.58 trillion) from India.
“The cost of reparations should be borne by the richest, who benefited the most from colonialism.”
It is the first time the charity has called for such a move.
The report proposed that Western countries commit to paying former colonies a minimum of $5 trillion (£4 trillion) annually in reparations and “climate debt” – the amount of money Western countries are said to owe poorer ones to account for the costs of climate change.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/britain-should-pay-reparations-to-india-oxfam-report-suggests/ar-AA1xxNCN?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531&cvid=df09fdd90d2a450bbe06c1374be16bdf&ei=12
RFK is a threat to global health. His comments on polio have caused extraordinary anger in the industry
The WHO is an organisation that China has successfully corrupted and, as a result, has lost sight of its purpose and mission. It plays politics where it shouldn’t.
Or on the other hand: he was a good man trying to do a good job, who anti-vaxxers and associated low-IQ fuckwits don't like.
..During the regular daily foreign ministry briefing, spokesperson Guo Jiakun said China is concerned at Trump’s announcement the US is again withdrawing from the Paris climate deal. Reuters quotes the official saying China is actively responding to climate change and will jointly promote global green and low-carbon transition.
The spokesperson also said that the World Health Organization should only be strengthened, not weakened. He said China would continue to support it in fulfilling its responsibilities. ..
What you lay out will scoop dozens of seats but it's not enough to put him into power.
I think point 2 is beyond serious doubt but in the spirit of love and charity I will allow it as “unproven”
As Dura notes, it doesn't have to be particularly coherent.
It still seems to me that he wasn’t intending a Nazi salute at the time but doesn’t care if that’s how it looked.
Problem is, the situation isn't actually a transactional one, Trump is a lousy deal maker and without support Ukraine runs the risk of collapse. All of which plays to Putin's advantage.
All of this is like a political party in the 1780s promising to halt woke coal mining and open up our forests again to deregulated firewood collection.
But as I've said passim, the WHO has done, and does do, much great work. The real reason Trump and the GOP don't want to be part of it is because it stops them doing dangerous stuff they want to do.
As for that team sent by WHO to Wuhan, China made sure that the only senior western scientist on the “investigative team” was none other than Peter Daszak - the guy who led the coronavirus research at Wuhan (funded by Fauci)
It’s all so brazen it’s kinda breathtaking
Indeed even WHO came to admit this and confessed that “maybe they’d been a bit hasty” in ruling out lab leak. And maybe appointing Daszak to the team wasn’t such a superb idea
You don’t say
“Fauci Argued Benefits of Gain-of-Function Research Outweighed Pandemic Risk in 2012 Paper”
These are Fauci’s words:
“In an unlikely but conceivable turn of events, what if that scientist becomes infected with the virus, which leads to an outbreak and ultimately triggers a pandemic? Many ask reasonable questions: given the possibility of such a scenario – however remote – should the initial experiments have been performed and/or published in the first place, and what were the processes involved in this decision?
Scientists working in this field might say – as indeed I have said – that the benefits of such experiments and the resulting knowledge outweigh the risks. It is more likely that a pandemic would occur in nature, and the need to stay ahead of such a threat is a primary reason for performing an experiment that might appear to be risky.
Within the research community, many have expressed concern that important research progress could come to a halt just because of the fear that someone, somewhere, might attempt to replicate these experiments sloppily. This is a valid concern.”
He KNEW the risks. He PREDICTED IT. Yet he went ahead and funded it anyway
https://www.yahoo.com/news/fauci-argued-benefits-gain-function-185934217.html
When you have no decent economic prospects, other cultural issues becomes more relatively important, and there is some behavioural evidence (eg Prospect theory) that losing something is much more of a concern to people than gaining something.
They've already lost their economic wellbeing; now they are worried about losing some vague notion of what it means to be culturally British. That will always be far more potent than some vague investment or infrastructure plan.
It may be perfect in another way; the swing required is enormous, and even if they do well but don't win it is a significant propaganda coup.
Timing may be important. If voting were today Reform would win - there is a Trumpian mood around which is infectious, but what that will feel like in a few weeks or months is the big unknown.
The other strong case for Reform at Runcorn is that no other party's usual supporters have any good reason to turn out. Tepid support is the best available at the moment.
https://oxfamilibrary.openrepository.com/bitstream/handle/10546/621668/bp-takers-not-makers-200125-summ-en.pdf
Secondly, you ignore what he's saying: that the benefits of such research outweighed the risks. That may have been a wise call at the time, and (whispers quietly) may even be a correct call now, with care. It is about balancing risks. And your argument is used by anti-vaxxers to stop vaccine development.
You are a dangerous fool on this matter. We should tighten up restrictions on labs *and* stop anything like wet markets. Your onanistic belief that you are right will lead to disaster in the future.
Since then, Project 2025.
Trump reclassifies thousands of federal employees, making them easier to fire
Executive order effectively reinstates ‘Schedule F’, which sought to categorize workers as political hires
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jan/20/trump-executive-order-schedule-f
I don't think those saying that Trump is too disorganised to do much appreciate that there's a set of loons now in the administration who are.
He claimed that Trump will tell Putin “stop or I give Ukraine everything they want” and will tell Zelensky “you haven’t done all you can and should have thrown in the younger men who are fitter and stronger and would massively boost numbers so if you can’t be bothered to call all resources to the colours then why should we make more effort”.
He didn’t seem like a nut, seemed well informed on international relations and pretty balanced so if he does know what will he said then who knows how that would work out.
Sometimes I think you’re just plain weird. A weirdo. This is one such moment, weirdo
Here's a prediction: it will be the same for all supranational organisations not controlled by the Americans. Perhaps even the UN. If Trump and the GOP cannot control it, they don't want it.
The salutes were only one part of the show of madness
Also said if Chagos deal happens Trump will be very very unhappy with UK.
After that your post goes really odd: '1000 year reich'?, Tulips deportation?, Tories winning Hampstead? and the really odd stuff on squirrels.
This follows your post of a few days ago where you refer to Kemi B as a 'Coconut' and Keir S as 'Evil'.
This content is really weird.
However I’m not going to defend him on this. The first salute might have been some weird star trek geek thing but he’s very smart and you can see on his face he kinda realises what he’s doing and the second was therefore deliberate. To enrage lefties, probably
I wonder (speculating) whether a sort of parallel phenomenon is Great Britain - politics, influence, assumptions - from approximately the great reform act of 1832 to 1914.
I enjoyed Vance’s book, his story is classic Americana rags to riches, and when he talks and tweets, overall he seems to say the right things, but this picture just confronts you with the messy realities of globalism. It makes you feel like you are getting hoodwinked yet again.
https://x.com/_kruptos/status/1881097056162619491
2.3m views.
There is no way a member of the UK government, or opposition, could stand on a platform at a political rally, then do that salute, twice, and keep their job. They'd be out of office and out of their party the same day.
Not that that will matter in the coming storm.
It implies that such deal is worth the paper it's written on.
Which it clearly wouldn't be:
Budapest Memorandum, Minsk, Conventional Forces in Europe Treaty, the Open Skies Treaty, the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty, the Chemical Weapons Convention, the Geneva Conventions, the Convention Against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment, the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, etc, etc, etc
The way to a lasting peace in Ukraine is using Western weapons and Ukrainian manpower to smash the Russian army in Ukraine. Anything else, and we'll just be back here again in five years, probably at three times the cost.
issues.
It sounds like he’s trying to turn Labour into Reform-lite but without any conviction or any evidence that he desires this. So it is purely performative
The focus groups must be telling Labour that they are existentially endangered by Reform, and the wider culture wars
He's thrown the police and CPS under a bus.
The Tories need to throw everything at it.
So my feeling is it's not a slam dunk for Reform; Labour doesn't need to defend its left wing; but Reform need to fight it out with the Tories.
10/11 are unattractive odds on Reform.