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edited March 2014 in General

politicalbetting.com » Blog Archive » A timely reminder from Populus of how little most people follow political events

I like this chart because it reinforces a point that I make a lot – that most voters pay little attention to politics even big events like this week’s budget.

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  • corporealcorporeal Posts: 2,549
    It's a drip drip drip thing. People get their opinions formed by partial impressions of events national and local. Gradual erosion etc.
  • Derby 5 - 0 Nott'm Forest.
    Will this prove to be the end for Billy Davies?
  • Hope so. Thoroughly dislikeable man.
  • What, no bingo?
  • QuincelQuincel Posts: 4,042
    It's not only 1 in 5 noticed the pensions, but only 1 in 5 put it as the thing they most noticed. The way Populus runs these polls (and their weekly news story one) is that you can put any number of answers but only the first one counts. So the fact is that 75% of people could remember at least one policy (albeit 6% said 'Tax' which I think means they were guessing).
  • Blimey, Chelsea 6 nil up against Arsenal!
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    So of the obsessions of both the left (Bingo!) and right (40p tax threshold), only one makes the top 10, and that, for one in fifty.......

    Just as well no one wrote:

    The Shapps Tweet ad could be as damaging as Liam Byrne’s “there’s no money left” handover note

    Let alone devote a thread to it.

    Isn't it?
  • marke09marke09 Posts: 926
    Tomorrow's Sun on Sunday for results of my 20k #EuropeOnTrial poll. Sign up at http://lordashcroftpolls.com com for the full report.

    just seen this on twitter
  • kjohnwkjohnw Posts: 1,456
    whatever happened to plato? is she banned
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,121

    So of the obsessions of both the left (Bingo!) and right (40p tax threshold), only one makes the top 10, and that, for one in fifty.......

    Just as well no one wrote:

    The Shapps Tweet ad could be as damaging as Liam Byrne’s “there’s no money left” handover note

    Let alone devote a thread to it.

    Isn't it?

    Dear Ms. Vance,

    I'm afraid there is no Bingo.

    kind regards -
    and good luck!

    Mike
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,668
    edited March 2014

    So of the obsessions of both the left (Bingo!) and right (40p tax threshold), only one makes the top 10, and that, for one in fifty.......

    Just as well no one wrote:

    The Shapps Tweet ad could be as damaging as Liam Byrne’s “there’s no money left” handover note

    Let alone devote a thread to it.

    Isn't it?

    Mike was right, though maybe not in the way he intended. They have both turned out to be almost completely unnoticed! View confirmers, not game changers, or anything close to it.



  • corporealcorporeal Posts: 2,549
    kjohnw said:

    whatever happened to plato? is she banned

    Not banned as far as I can see. Migrated to twitter I believe.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,937

    Mike was right, though maybe not in the way he intended. They have both turned out to be almost completely unnoticed! View confirmers, not game changers, or anything close to it.

    I think you underestimate the power of Liam Byrne “there’s no money left” handover note. It will be the yardstick by which the Coalition's management of the economy should be measured in the General Election. The Tories and LibDems should print that note on the reverse of every bit of election literature.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216

    So of the obsessions of both the left (Bingo!) and right (40p tax threshold), only one makes the top 10, and that, for one in fifty.......

    Just as well no one wrote:

    The Shapps Tweet ad could be as damaging as Liam Byrne’s “there’s no money left” handover note

    Let alone devote a thread to it.

    Isn't it?

    Mike was right, though maybe not in the way he intended. They have both turned out to be almost completely unnoticed! View confirmers, not game changers, or anything close to it.
    Only one of them will feature in the 2015 GE.......

  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,121
    edited March 2014
    Byrne's note read:

    I'm afraid there is no money.

    It didn't include the word 'left'!

    http://news.images.itv.com/image/file/223596/article_b95c8ba5203e433f_1372093121_9j-4aaqsk.jpeg
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,834
    "barely one in five people noticed the big announcement – the changes on pensions"

    That's not something you can infer from the figures and is almost certainly not the case - for only one in five was it the *most* noticed thing. I'd be very surprised if less than half of the population haven't noticed it at all. Given that turnout in general elections these days is usually 60±5%, and that those who are least informed will share a large overlap with those who are least engaged (don't vote), it's likely that the great majority of voters noticed the pension reforms. After all, close to three-quarters of the population noticed *something* of the budget.

    As an anecdote, I did overhear two men at the train station yesterday discussing the budget. The two items they mentioned were beer duty ("that won't make much difference but at least it's not up"), and bingo (not relevant to them but not referenced with cynicism or disapproval either).
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,564
    Swing to the Social Democrats predicted in the German Euros:

    http://www.wahlrecht.de/umfragen/europawahl.htm

    The same overview shows not much happening domestically - Greens and Left up a bit, Free Democrats and Alliance for Germany both marginally under the 5% threshold.

  • Life_ina_market_townLife_ina_market_town Posts: 2,319
    edited March 2014
    FPT

    I'm not sure why you're so keen to construct an equivalence between avowed imperialist Churchill, and Attlee who, however imperfectly, started the process of de-colonization, apart from a desire to spread the blame.

    It is historically inaccurate to argue that the Attlee government began the process of decolonisation. Decent historians are not interested in praising virtue and castigating vice; epideictic rhetoric having long ceased to be a respectable historiographical model.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Give me strength......

    Sovereignty over defence should be removed from nation states and handed to a European defence force, a Labour MSP has said.

    Jenny Marra said the current crisis in the Crimea revealed "the folly of nation states".

    Her comments came during a fringe meeting at the Scottish Labour conference in Perth.


    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-26692400
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,121

    Give me strength......

    Sovereignty over defence should be removed from nation states and handed to a European defence force, a Labour MSP has said.

    Jenny Marra said the current crisis in the Crimea revealed "the folly of nation states".

    Her comments came during a fringe meeting at the Scottish Labour conference in Perth.


    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-26692400

    Russia and UKIP have a common foe - the EU!

    :)
  • TwistedFireStopperTwistedFireStopper Posts: 2,538
    edited March 2014

    Give me strength......

    Sovereignty over defence should be removed from nation states and handed to a European defence force, a Labour MSP has said.

    Jenny Marra said the current crisis in the Crimea revealed "the folly of nation states".

    Her comments came during a fringe meeting at the Scottish Labour conference in Perth.


    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-26692400

    It's as if they're trying to pee us off on purpose.....

  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,337
    edited March 2014

    "barely one in five people noticed the big announcement – the changes on pensions"

    That's not something you can infer from the figures and is almost certainly not the case - for only one in five was it the *most* noticed thing. I'd be very surprised if less than half of the population haven't noticed it at all. Given that turnout in general elections these days is usually 60±5%, and that those who are least informed will share a large overlap with those who are least engaged (don't vote), it's likely that the great majority of voters noticed the pension reforms. After all, close to three-quarters of the population noticed *something* of the budget.

    As an anecdote, I did overhear two men at the train station yesterday discussing the budget. The two items they mentioned were beer duty ("that won't make much difference but at least it's not up"), and bingo (not relevant to them but not referenced with cynicism or disapproval either).

    On the pensions point, has anyone estimated what percentage of the electorate it would actually affect? It's too late for existing pensioners; some are in the public sector whether DC or DB so not relevant; some have DB pensions (tho' note a subset of those as of the public sector workers will have AVCs paying into supplementary DC schemes); others don't have serious pension schemes other than the State Pension; and so on. A very quick calculation/guesstimate suggests about a third of the electorate are affected of which many will be too young to worry about it - so if 20% of the public rate it as first priority/impact then it could actually be quite potent within its presumed target area.

    Which makes me wonder. not very originally at all, if it's targeted at those in their 50s and 60s who are moving into the potential Tory and even UKIP vote band with increasing age.

  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    Stephen Kinnock has won Labour Aberavon selection
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,834

    FPT

    I'm not sure why you're so keen to construct an equivalence between avowed imperialist Churchill, and Attlee who, however imperfectly, started the process of de-colonization, apart from a desire to spread the blame.

    It is historically inaccurate to argue that the Attlee government began the process of decolonisation. Decent historians are not interested in praising virtue and castigating vice; epideictic rhetoric having long ceased to be a respectable historiographical model.
    I thought it that was the Duke of Portland in 1783 who began the decolonisation process?

    Or one could equally point to the more voluntary stages of independence granted more voluntarily to Canada, Australia, South Africa and New Zealand between 1867 and 1947, as legitimate precursors to that of India.
  • Stephen Kinnock has won Labour Aberavon selection

    That's a long commute from Denmark.

  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,121

    Stephen Kinnock has won Labour Aberavon selection

    That's a long commute from Denmark.

    More evidence that the hereditary principle is inherently socialist :)
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    "Yet barely one in five people noticed the big announcement – the changes on pensions"

    That'll explain the tory poll 'surge' then.

    Just as well nobody wrote.

    Osborne’s budget is a narrative changer that could have the same effect on the polls as his October 2007 move on IHT

    Let alone devote a thread to it

    Isn't it?

    LOL
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,337

    Give me strength......

    Sovereignty over defence should be removed from nation states and handed to a European defence force, a Labour MSP has said.

    Jenny Marra said the current crisis in the Crimea revealed "the folly of nation states".

    Her comments came during a fringe meeting at the Scottish Labour conference in Perth.


    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-26692400

    Interesting, given Ms Marra's supposed to be a rising star of the Labour Party in Scotland. Sounds like something from Toomy Sheridan's mob as was, the SSP, doesn't it? But it may in fact make good sense if they are trying to position themselves as left of the SNP - how well that works remains to be seen in view of Ms Lamont's eminently quotable remarks on her preferred closing down of popular "something for nothing" SNP policies.

  • felixfelix Posts: 15,173

    Stephen Kinnock has won Labour Aberavon selection

    Noblesse oblige?
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,291
    felix said:

    Stephen Kinnock has won Labour Aberavon selection

    Noblesse oblige?
    The Hon Stephen Kinnock, if you please.
  • Life_ina_market_townLife_ina_market_town Posts: 2,319
    edited March 2014

    I thought it that was the Duke of Portland in 1783 who began the decolonisation process?

    Or one could equally point to the more voluntary stages of independence granted more voluntarily to Canada, Australia, South Africa and New Zealand between 1867 and 1947, as legitimate precursors to that of India.

    1782 and the Earl of Shelburne [edit: or was it Rockingham?], surely? The latter point is of course entirely correct. The model which the Attlee government turned to in 1947 when the Union of India and Dominion of Pakistan were created did not emerge ex nihilo, but was based on existing precedents and conventions which had been developed in the first half of the twentieth century.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,564

    Stephen Kinnock has won Labour Aberavon selection

    That's a long commute from Denmark.

    There's an interview with his wife, the Danish PM, in today's Berlingske Tidende (roughly the counterpart to the Times). She says nonchalantly that he currently lives in Wales and pops over to see her when he can, so what's new? She hopes to visit Aberavon sometime.

    Other people's marriages are always a bit mysterious!

  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    edited March 2014
    "People are, of course, reading fewer papers and the audiences for TV news programmes have been in decline for years."

    Correct. The press influence in particular is crashing to ever new lows while it's usually in the run up to and right in the midst of campaigning that the public usually starts to pay real attention to politics. Hence the polls and VI shifting just before the May local elections last year and why it's still too soon to be definitive about the May EU and locals two months out.
  • not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,449
    kjohnw said:

    whatever happened to plato? is she banned

    She has, thankfully, gone elsewhere. Coincidentally PB threads now contain 90% fewer retweets.
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    edited March 2014
    St Helens South Labour longlist:

    Marie Rimmer (local labour council group leader since the 80s, kept off by NEC in 2001 selection, recently ousted as council leader, 65+)
    Catherine McDonald (Southwark Cllr, former SpAd to Jim Knight, runner up in Lewisham Deptford)
    Denise Allen (Knowsley Cllr)
    June Hitchen (Manchester Cllr)
    Pruneet Grewal (shortlisted in Brentford& Isleworth and went for Coventry North East)

  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    FPT:

    Theuniondivvie said:
    "I'm not sure why you're so keen to construct an equivalence between avowed imperialist Churchill, and Attlee who, however imperfectly, started the process of de-colonization"

    Construct an equivalence? I don't think I have ever done such a thing in my life. I am not sure I would even know how to go about it, does one need special clothing. It sounds like something Mr. Eagles might be interested in.

    I only replied to your earlier comment because I didn't, and still don't, think the facts support your expressed view that the Atlee administration was hot on de-colonisation.
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053

    Blimey, Chelsea 6 nil up against Arsenal!

    Wenger is well past his sell-by date, The owners of Arsenal will rue the day they did not sack him 2 years ago.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,146

    FPT

    I'm not sure why you're so keen to construct an equivalence between avowed imperialist Churchill, and Attlee who, however imperfectly, started the process of de-colonization, apart from a desire to spread the blame.

    It is historically inaccurate to argue that the Attlee government began the process of decolonisation. Decent historians are not interested in praising virtue and castigating vice; epideictic rhetoric having long ceased to be a respectable historiographical model.
    I don't claim to be an historian, decent or otherwise. Still, I'm glad to have given you an opportunity to give your orotundity a good gallop.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,146
    edited March 2014


    Construct an equivalence? I don't think I have ever done such a thing in my life. I am not sure I would even know how to go about it, does one need special clothing. It sounds like something Mr. Eagles might be interested in.

    Being unaware of doing something is not the same as not doing it, as I'm sure you know.
  • john_zimsjohn_zims Posts: 3,399
    @fitalass

    '‘We are showing here in Wales the difference a Labour government can make,’ Mr Miliband told last year’s Welsh party conference. ‘We can emulate the great things Carwyn is doing. There’s lots of things to learn.’

    God help us.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    fitalass said:
    And concerning news on life expectancy in Scotland:

    WOMEN living in Scotland die an average 2.14 years earlier than those living in England, new figures show.

    And statistics from 2010-12 show the life-expectancy gap has widened, rather than narrowed, in recent years.


    http://www.scotsman.com/news/health/scottish-women-dying-sooner-than-english-1-3350099

    What Scotland needs is control of Health!

    Oh, hang on........
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,320
    BBC Scotland - Nicola Sturgeon: Return on Prestwick 'could take years'

    "Prestwick, which was sold for £1 to the Scottish government on 22 November last year, had a pre-tax loss of £9.77m in the final full year of its ownership by Infratil.

    It was a sharp worsening of its financial position, after a £2.3m pre-tax loss in the year to March 2012.

    Ms Sturgeon told Holyrood's Infrastructure Committee it was possible to get a return on the taxpayers' money and find a private sector buyer, but added MSPs should keep an open mind on possible alternatives.

    She said: "Cardiff Airport is owned by the Welsh government so we shouldn't close our minds to anything around the future potential model that you might want for an airport."
  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    edited March 2014

    Stephen Kinnock has won Labour Aberavon selection

    That's a long commute from Denmark.

    Something is rotten in the borough of Aberavon.
  • nestreetnestreet Posts: 8
    A very good reason for a large majority not recalling the pension changes is that the very mention of pensions sends most sane people under the age of 60 to sleep. The 20% - 30% that do pay attention are those most directly effected by the changes. And those also, as we all know, are far more likely to vote.

    I'd wait a few more days (hours?) before confidently saying it hasn't moved the polls.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787

    Stephen Kinnock has won Labour Aberavon selection

    If he's anything like his father he'll finish his acceptance speech a week on Tuesday.

  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,320
    There is a lot of focus on the state of the NHS in Wales, but I have also been posting my concerns on here about the underlying state of the Scottish NHS for a long time now. Was chatting to a friend last week who has a sister waiting for an operation up here, the waiting time she has been given is ridiculous.

    fitalass said:
    And concerning news on life expectancy in Scotland:

    WOMEN living in Scotland die an average 2.14 years earlier than those living in England, new figures show.

    And statistics from 2010-12 show the life-expectancy gap has widened, rather than narrowed, in recent years.


    http://www.scotsman.com/news/health/scottish-women-dying-sooner-than-english-1-3350099

    What Scotland needs is control of Health!

    Oh, hang on........
  • Stephen Kinnock has won Labour Aberavon selection

    There's an interview with his wife, the Danish PM, in today's Berlingske Tidende (roughly the counterpart to the Times). She says nonchalantly that he currently lives in Wales and pops over to see her when he can, so what's new? She hopes to visit Aberavon sometime.

    Other people's marriages are always a bit mysterious!

    Well, according to Wiki (I know, I know!)

    He lives in a guest house at the moment.

    "The couple had previously stated to the media that Kinnock would spend his weekends in Denmark, sometimes including Thursday, and that he regarded his home and base as being exclusively with his family in Copenhagen."

    Admittedly, that was to do with his tax affairs when he was working in Switzerland. He'll probably be an adequate MP, if elected, but he barely lives in Britain, let alone Aberavon!

  • corporealcorporeal Posts: 2,549
    fitalass said:

    BBC Scotland - Nicola Sturgeon: Return on Prestwick 'could take years'

    She said: "Cardiff Airport is owned by the Welsh government so we shouldn't close our minds to anything around the future potential model that you might want for an airport."

    That's rarely much of an endorsement.

    Ideally you'd lose Cardiff and Bristol airport and combine them into one halfway between. (Cardiff's too small to be sustainable and is something of a vanity project, Bristol has horrifically awful transport links).

    Not a hope in hell of it happening, but we could do with fewer airports generally.
  • john_zimsjohn_zims Posts: 3,399
    @MikeK

    'Wenger is well past his sell-by date, The owners of Arsenal will rue the day they did not sack him 2 years ago.'

    Arsenal new £390m stadium & net debt £137m,Chelsea net debt £878m.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Expect grumbles....

    @georgeeaton: Stephen Kinnock selected as Labour candidate for Aberavon by 106-105 votes
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    edited March 2014
    Reports that Kinnock won Aberavon selection by 1 vote: 106 to 105 in the final round
  • Reports that Kinnock won Aberavon selection by 1 vote: 106 to 105 in the final round

    Looks like his parachute only just opened in time.

  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,337
    edited March 2014

    fitalass said:
    And concerning news on life expectancy in Scotland:

    WOMEN living in Scotland die an average 2.14 years earlier than those living in England, new figures show.

    And statistics from 2010-12 show the life-expectancy gap has widened, rather than narrowed, in recent years.


    http://www.scotsman.com/news/health/scottish-women-dying-sooner-than-english-1-3350099

    What Scotland needs is control of Health!

    Oh, hang on........
    Please don't make such postings just to make such insinuations. If you actually read the article it's not at all clear that there is a change in the differential (which is ascribed in large part to such things as poverty, the unemployment of Mrs T's years onwards, and smoking, rather than the NHS). You will, or certainly should, also be aware that the Scottish Health Service has always been independent of the English NHS (despite the obfuscatory change of name to 'NHS' of a few years back by, I think, Mr Rifkind).

    "Previous figures had showed females born in the 1980s and 1990s in Scotland could expect to live about two years less than their English counterparts.

    But a girl born today in England can expect to live to 82.8 years, the comparable figure in Scotland is just 80.7 years."

    No real change - and the article makes it clear it could be a statistical fluke.

    That there is a differential is not good, and something must be done about it, but if you are going to impute political blame for it at all (as your posting certainly insinuates), then most or all of it has to lie with the unionist parties who have been in power for most of people's lives, including to some extent during the minority SNP government, and all of them in the case of Westminster which also controls the health service in Scotland through the Barnett funding.

    The Labour party in the Scottish parliament were going on about how devolution had had little impact on the health service's efficiency, till it was pointed out that the figures for which evidence was available were for the years in which Labour were in power. And it is remarkable that about the only doctor in the whole of Scotland who was publicly against the SNP's alcohol policies just happened to be a Labour frontbencher.
  • kjohnw said:

    whatever happened to plato? is she banned

    No, I believe she just became bored with how left wing this blog has become and went elsewhere.
  • john_zimsjohn_zims Posts: 3,399
    edited March 2014
    @NickPalmer

    '"The couple had previously stated to the media that Kinnock would spend his weekends in Denmark, sometimes including Thursday, and that he regarded his home and base as being exclusively with his family in Copenhagen."

    Sounds like he'll be a great MP when he's not in Copenhagen & London.

    Has anyone told him about constituency surgeries?
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,320
    Totally agree. You could expand Bristol Airport, but only if your going to vastly improve the terrible transport links.
    corporeal said:

    fitalass said:

    BBC Scotland - Nicola Sturgeon: Return on Prestwick 'could take years'

    She said: "Cardiff Airport is owned by the Welsh government so we shouldn't close our minds to anything around the future potential model that you might want for an airport."

    That's rarely much of an endorsement.

    Ideally you'd lose Cardiff and Bristol airport and combine them into one halfway between. (Cardiff's too small to be sustainable and is something of a vanity project, Bristol has horrifically awful transport links).

    Not a hope in hell of it happening, but we could do with fewer airports generally.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,498

    fitalass said:
    And concerning news on life expectancy in Scotland:

    WOMEN living in Scotland die an average 2.14 years earlier than those living in England, new figures show.

    And statistics from 2010-12 show the life-expectancy gap has widened, rather than narrowed, in recent years.


    http://www.scotsman.com/news/health/scottish-women-dying-sooner-than-english-1-3350099

    What Scotland needs is control of Health!

    Oh, hang on........
    It needs to stop having its money stole to rebuild London , fund illegal wars , trident etc. It could then cut poverty , improve quality of life and have same life span as the fat and happy southerners.
  • Stuart_DicksonStuart_Dickson Posts: 3,557
    Mike Smithson: - "People are, of course, reading fewer papers and the audiences for TV news programmes have been in decline for years."

    'No' backers, take note.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,498
    fitalass said:

    BBC Scotland - Nicola Sturgeon: Return on Prestwick 'could take years'

    "Prestwick, which was sold for £1 to the Scottish government on 22 November last year, had a pre-tax loss of £9.77m in the final full year of its ownership by Infratil.

    It was a sharp worsening of its financial position, after a £2.3m pre-tax loss in the year to March 2012.

    Ms Sturgeon told Holyrood's Infrastructure Committee it was possible to get a return on the taxpayers' money and find a private sector buyer, but added MSPs should keep an open mind on possible alternatives.

    She said: "Cardiff Airport is owned by the Welsh government so we shouldn't close our minds to anything around the future potential model that you might want for an airport."

    Money well spent, Tories would have had it shut down and forced us to take buses to London to get a flight if they could manage it.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,937

    Byrne's note read:

    I'm afraid there is no money.

    It didn't include the word 'left'!

    http://news.images.itv.com/image/file/223596/article_b95c8ba5203e433f_1372093121_9j-4aaqsk.jpeg

    Whenever you say there is no money, the Left is implicit....
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Carnyx said:

    fitalass said:
    And concerning news on life expectancy in Scotland:

    WOMEN living in Scotland die an average 2.14 years earlier than those living in England, new figures show.

    And statistics from 2010-12 show the life-expectancy gap has widened, rather than narrowed, in recent years.


    http://www.scotsman.com/news/health/scottish-women-dying-sooner-than-english-1-3350099

    What Scotland needs is control of Health!

    Oh, hang on........
    Please don't make such postings just to make such insinuations.
    I'm sorry, but the SNP mantra is 'things would be so much better if only we got rid of Westminster'.

    Like Wales, Health is devolved in Scotland.

    Like Wales, it appears to be falling behind England.

    Yet this is somehow Westminster's fault?

  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    edited March 2014



    Well, according to Wiki (I know, I know!)

    He lives in a guest house at the moment.

    "The couple had previously stated to the media that Kinnock would spend his weekends in Denmark, sometimes including Thursday, and that he regarded his home and base as being exclusively with his family in Copenhagen."

    Admittedly, that was to do with his tax affairs when he was working in Switzerland. He'll probably be an adequate MP, if elected, but he barely lives in Britain, let alone Aberavon!

    One of my ancestors was known as the Member for Paris because he served as a Wiltshire MP for 9 years (including bring reflected twice!) while living in France
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,498
    Carnyx said:

    fitalass said:
    And concerning news on life expectancy in Scotland:

    WOMEN living in Scotland die an average 2.14 years earlier than those living in England, new figures show.

    And statistics from 2010-12 show the life-expectancy gap has widened, rather than narrowed, in recent years.


    http://www.scotsman.com/news/health/scottish-women-dying-sooner-than-english-1-3350099

    What Scotland needs is control of Health!

    Oh, hang on........
    Please don't make such postings just to make such insinuations. If you actually read the article it's not at all clear that there is a change in the differential (which is ascribed in large part to such things as poverty, the unemployment of Mrs T's years onwards, and smoking, rather than the NHS). You will, or certainly should, also be aware that the Scottish Health Service has always been independent of the English NHS (despite the obfuscatory change of name to 'NHS' of a few years back by, I think, Mr Rifkind).

    "Previous figures had showed females born in the 1980s and 1990s in Scotland could expect to live about two years less than their English counterparts.

    But a girl born today in England can expect to live to 82.8 years, the comparable figure in Scotland is just 80.7 years."

    No real change - and the article makes it clear it could be a statistical fluke.

    That there is a differential is not good, and something must be done about it, but if you are going to impute political blame for it at all (as your posting certainly insinuates), then most or all of it has to lie with the unionist parties who have been in power for most of people's lives, including to some extent during the minority SNP government, and all of them in the case of Westminster which also controls the health service in Scotland through the Barnett funding.

    The Labour party in the Scottish parliament were going on about how devolution had had little impact on the health service's efficiency, till it was pointed out that the figures for which evidence was available were for the years in which Labour were in power. And it is remarkable that about the only doctor in the whole of Scotland who was publicly against the SNP's alcohol policies just happened to be a Labour frontbencher.
    Carnyx, you have to look at it from Carlotta's blind hatred of Scotland. She is delighted when anything remotely detrimental to Scotland is mentioned.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,376
    Are we expecting any "Post Budget" polls tonight?
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    malcolmg said:

    Carnyx said:

    fitalass said:
    And concerning news on life expectancy in Scotland:

    WOMEN living in Scotland die an average 2.14 years earlier than those living in England, new figures show.

    And statistics from 2010-12 show the life-expectancy gap has widened, rather than narrowed, in recent years.


    http://www.scotsman.com/news/health/scottish-women-dying-sooner-than-english-1-3350099

    What Scotland needs is control of Health!

    Oh, hang on........

    Carnyx, you have to look at it from Carlotta's blind hatred of Scotland. She is delighted when anything remotely detrimental to Scotland is mentioned.
    Which part of 'lower life expectancy' are you happy with? Unlike you, just because its 'run from Scotland' does not make me assume that it MUST be better.

    Where are the Scots politicians saying 'this is concerning, perhaps we can learn from England'?

    Scotland deserves better, and 'my country right or wrong' is, as Shaw observed, as sensible as 'my mother, drunk or sober....

  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    malcolmg said:

    fitalass said:

    BBC Scotland - Nicola Sturgeon: Return on Prestwick 'could take years'

    "Prestwick, which was sold for £1 to the Scottish government on 22 November last year, had a pre-tax loss of £9.77m in the final full year of its ownership by Infratil.

    It was a sharp worsening of its financial position, after a £2.3m pre-tax loss in the year to March 2012.

    Ms Sturgeon told Holyrood's Infrastructure Committee it was possible to get a return on the taxpayers' money and find a private sector buyer, but added MSPs should keep an open mind on possible alternatives.

    She said: "Cardiff Airport is owned by the Welsh government so we shouldn't close our minds to anything around the future potential model that you might want for an airport."

    Money well spent, Tories would have had it shut down and forced us to take buses to London to get a flight if they could manage it.
    Its a vanity project and accident of history - had long enough runways when jets came in - but its time has passed. Why should Scots taxpayers subsidise a cheap base for RyanAir?

  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    GIN1138 said:

    Are we expecting any "Post Budget" polls tonight?

    Don't know, but there's an Ashcroft EU poll tomorrow......
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    GIN1138 said:

    Are we expecting any "Post Budget" polls tonight?

    I'm expecting something but have no hard information. It might be we'll just have YouGov

  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    malcolmg said:

    fitalass said:

    BBC Scotland - Nicola Sturgeon: Return on Prestwick 'could take years'



    "Prestwick, which was sold for £1 to the Scottish government on 22 November last year, had a pre-tax loss of £9.77m in the final full year of its ownership by Infratil.

    It was a sharp worsening of its financial position, after a £2.3m pre-tax loss in the year to March 2012.

    Ms Sturgeon told Holyrood's Infrastructure Committee it was possible to get a return on the taxpayers' money and find a private sector buyer, but added MSPs should keep an open mind on possible alternatives.

    She said: "Cardiff Airport is owned by the Welsh government so we shouldn't close our minds to anything around the future potential model that you might want for an airport."

    Money well spent, Tories would have had it shut down and forced us to take buses to London to get a flight if they could manage it.
    I think the decision was down to your fellow Scots. Blame them if it shut.

    Are the SNP planning on basing one of Eck's taxpayer funded jets there, in the unlikely event of a 'Yes'?

    He'll need to travel to all those golf junkets in the style to which he's become accustomed.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Although reports on Ms Lamont's speech have been 'mixed' (and not just from the usual suspects), she did at least have some good one-liners:

    - "There is a new definition of the word scaremongering - asking Alex Salmond a question he cannot answer."

    - A White Paper about Scotland's future that mentions Strictly Come Dancing more often than it mentions the whisky industry isn't a document to be taken seriously.

    - "The nationalists ask for an alternative to the White Paper. We have one. It's called the truth."

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-26692674
  • Stuart_DicksonStuart_Dickson Posts: 3,557
    edited March 2014
    "You should vote yes!

    Based on your answers, your opinions are most closely reflected by the Yes Scotland campaign."
    The Herald's 'Indyref Personality Test':

    http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/referendum-news/the-indyref-personality-test.1395329834

  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,337

    Carnyx said:

    fitalass said:
    And concerning news on life expectancy in Scotland:

    WOMEN living in Scotland die an average 2.14 years earlier than those living in England, new figures show.

    And statistics from 2010-12 show the life-expectancy gap has widened, rather than narrowed, in recent years.


    http://www.scotsman.com/news/health/scottish-women-dying-sooner-than-english-1-3350099

    What Scotland needs is control of Health!

    Oh, hang on........
    Please don't make such postings just to make such insinuations.
    I'm sorry, but the SNP mantra is 'things would be so much better if only we got rid of Westminster'.

    Like Wales, Health is devolved in Scotland.

    Like Wales, it appears to be falling behind England.

    Yet this is somehow Westminster's fault?

    If you read what I actually said, I said

    1. Even the Scotsman isn't certain that life expectancy is falling behind.
    2. I didn't blame anyone - what I did say was that as you were evidently in the mood to blame a political party then you had to blame the unionist parties, including those at Westminster who were completely in charge till 2005 (through their satraps in the Scottish Office, and latterly their local reps) and still have a considerable impact through their financial allocations and PFI deals.


  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,376

    GIN1138 said:

    Are we expecting any "Post Budget" polls tonight?

    Don't know, but there's an Ashcroft EU poll tomorrow......
    Ashcroft polls are always exciting.

  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,376

    GIN1138 said:

    Are we expecting any "Post Budget" polls tonight?

    I'm expecting something but have no hard information. It might be we'll just have YouGov

    That would be a "let-down" :(

    I thought we'd get 2-3 at least!

  • Stuart_DicksonStuart_Dickson Posts: 3,557
    Labour strategists must be holding their heads in their hands over the hopeless Johann Lamont. It really is quite painful watching her antics. No wonder her minders have been keeping her away from the media since she was elected (ahem) "leader".
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    fitalass said:
    And concerning news on life expectancy in Scotland:

    WOMEN living in Scotland die an average 2.14 years earlier than those living in England, new figures show.

    And statistics from 2010-12 show the life-expectancy gap has widened, rather than narrowed, in recent years.


    http://www.scotsman.com/news/health/scottish-women-dying-sooner-than-english-1-3350099

    What Scotland needs is control of Health!

    Oh, hang on........
    Please don't make such postings just to make such insinuations.
    I'm sorry, but the SNP mantra is 'things would be so much better if only we got rid of Westminster'.

    Like Wales, Health is devolved in Scotland.

    Like Wales, it appears to be falling behind England.

    Yet this is somehow Westminster's fault?

    If you read what I actually said, I said

    1. Even the Scotsman isn't certain that life expectancy is falling behind.
    2. I didn't blame anyone - what I did say was that as you were evidently in the mood to blame a political party then you had to blame the unionist parties, including those at Westminster who were completely in charge till 2005 (through their satraps in the Scottish Office, and latterly their local reps) and still have a considerable impact through their financial allocations and PFI deals.
    Life expectancy in Scotland is still lower. Where are the Scots politicians saying 'this is not good enough, we should learn from other countries in the Union'?

  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Are we expecting any "Post Budget" polls tonight?

    I'm expecting something but have no hard information. It might be we'll just have YouGov

    That would be a "let-down" :(

    I thought we'd get 2-3 at least!

    Have you checked out YouGov:

    The British public see this year's budget as the fairest since 2010 – and nine of its policies are supported by a majority

    http://yougov.co.uk/news/2014/03/21/budget-2014-fairest-since-2010/
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,789
    john_zims said:

    @NickPalmer

    '"The couple had previously stated to the media that Kinnock would spend his weekends in Denmark, sometimes including Thursday, and that he regarded his home and base as being exclusively with his family in Copenhagen."

    Sounds like he'll be a great MP when he's not in Copenhagen & London.

    Has anyone told him about constituency surgeries?

    Given how much time Blair spent in Sedgefield and EdM spends in Doncaster North Kinnock Jnr will be only doing what the party leadership usually does.

    I wonder though if he'll be claiming second home allowance for the Copenhagen mansion and the weekly first class travel to it.

    Remember Labour have no objection to people getting 'filthy stinking rich'.

    Especially when its Labour political clans getting 'filthy, stinking rich'.
  • Stuart_DicksonStuart_Dickson Posts: 3,557
    edited March 2014
    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Are we expecting any "Post Budget" polls tonight?

    Don't know, but there's an Ashcroft EU poll tomorrow......
    Ashcroft polls are always exciting.

    Agreed. His October poll of Scottish Westminster voting intention was fascinating:

    LAB 40% (-5)
    SNP 31% (+8)
    CON 18% (+2)
    LIBDEM 6% (-2)
    UKIP 2% (-3)

    1,039 adults in Scotland were interviewed by telephone between 4 and 8 October 2013.
    (+/- change from Ashcroft poll Feb 2013)
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,337
    edited March 2014

    malcolmg said:

    fitalass said:

    BBC Scotland - Nicola Sturgeon: Return on Prestwick 'could take years'



    "Prestwick, which was sold for £1 to the Scottish government on 22 November last year, had a pre-tax loss of £9.77m in the final full year of its ownership by Infratil.

    It was a sharp worsening of its financial position, after a £2.3m pre-tax loss in the year to March 2012.

    Ms Sturgeon told Holyrood's Infrastructure Committee it was possible to get a return on the taxpayers' money and find a private sector buyer, but added MSPs should keep an open mind on possible alternatives.

    She said: "Cardiff Airport is owned by the Welsh government so we shouldn't close our minds to anything around the future potential model that you might want for an airport."

    Money well spent, Tories would have had it shut down and forced us to take buses to London to get a flight if they could manage it.
    I think the decision was down to your fellow Scots. Blame them if it shut.

    Are the SNP planning on basing one of Eck's taxpayer funded jets there, in the unlikely event of a 'Yes'?

    He'll need to travel to all those golf junkets in the style to which he's become accustomed.


    Rather more to the point, if the purchase includes the land, then I'd think it an extremely sensible long-term strategic investment - on a railway line, fog free (which is why it was put there in the first place thanks to a quirk of local weather), a (pre-privatisation?) RAF rescue helicopter base, and so on.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,337

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    fitalass said:
    And concerning news on life expectancy in Scotland:

    WOMEN living in Scotland die an average 2.14 years earlier than those living in England, new figures show.

    And statistics from 2010-12 show the life-expectancy gap has widened, rather than narrowed, in recent years.


    http://www.scotsman.com/news/health/scottish-women-dying-sooner-than-english-1-3350099

    What Scotland needs is control of Health!

    Oh, hang on........
    Please don't make such postings just to make such insinuations.
    I'm sorry, but the SNP mantra is 'things would be so much better if only we got rid of Westminster'.

    Like Wales, Health is devolved in Scotland.

    Like Wales, it appears to be falling behind England.

    Yet this is somehow Westminster's fault?

    If you read what I actually said, I said

    1. Even the Scotsman isn't certain that life expectancy is falling behind.
    2. I didn't blame anyone - what I did say was that as you were evidently in the mood to blame a political party then you had to blame the unionist parties, including those at Westminster who were completely in charge till 2005 (through their satraps in the Scottish Office, and latterly their local reps) and still have a considerable impact through their financial allocations and PFI deals.
    Life expectancy in Scotland is still lower. Where are the Scots politicians saying 'this is not good enough, we should learn from other countries in the Union'?

    That would be insane. You seriously think that the UK has it right when it comes to health policies? It's worldwide we need.



  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    edited March 2014
    O/T, with malcom praising the 'more democratic than the West' Russians over Ukraine, an interesting article on the matter:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2014/03/21/this-map-shows-what-the-loss-of-crimea-really-means-for-ukraine/
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    edited March 2014
    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    fitalass said:
    And concerning news on life expectancy in Scotland:

    WOMEN living in Scotland die an average 2.14 years earlier than those living in England, new figures show.

    And statistics from 2010-12 show the life-expectancy gap has widened, rather than narrowed, in recent years.


    http://www.scotsman.com/news/health/scottish-women-dying-sooner-than-english-1-3350099

    What Scotland needs is control of Health!

    Oh, hang on........
    Please don't make such postings just to make such insinuations.
    I'm sorry, but the SNP mantra is 'things would be so much better if only we got rid of Westminster'.

    Like Wales, Health is devolved in Scotland.

    Like Wales, it appears to be falling behind England.

    Yet this is somehow Westminster's fault?

    If you read what I actually said, I said

    1. Even the Scotsman isn't certain that life expectancy is falling behind.
    2. I didn't blame anyone - what I did say was that as you were evidently in the mood to blame a political party then you had to blame the unionist parties, including those at Westminster who were completely in charge till 2005 (through their satraps in the Scottish Office, and latterly their local reps) and still have a considerable impact through their financial allocations and PFI deals.
    Life expectancy in Scotland is still lower. Where are the Scots politicians saying 'this is not good enough, we should learn from other countries in the Union'?

    It's worldwide we need.
    Agreed.

    Still, no one is asking are they?

    Its down to:

    'poverty from the Thatcher era', (you)

    'Westminster stealing our money' (Malcolm)

    and so forth, isn't it?

    Always someone else's fault.......
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,121
    edited March 2014

    O/T, with malcom praising the 'more democratic than the West' Russians over Ukraine, an interesting article on the matter:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2014/03/21/this-map-shows-what-the-loss-of-crimea-really-means-for-ukraine/

    "The Crimeans have spoken so clearly about their future, and now other countries right across the world, I hope, will respect and revere this very, very clear result."
    - David Cameron :)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falkland_Islands_sovereignty_referendum,_2013
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216

    O/T, with malcom praising the 'more democratic than the West' Russians over Ukraine, an interesting article on the matter:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2014/03/21/this-map-shows-what-the-loss-of-crimea-really-means-for-ukraine/

    "The Crimeans have spoken so clearly about their future, and now other countries right across the world, I hope, will respect and revere this very, very clear result."
    - David Cameron :)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falkland_Islands_sovereignty_referendum,_2013
    Brad Smith, the leader of the international observer group, announced that the referendum was free and fair and executed in accordance with international standards and international laws.

    The same has not been said about Crimea......
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,498

    malcolmg said:

    Carnyx said:

    fitalass said:
    And concerning news on life expectancy in Scotland:

    WOMEN living in Scotland die an average 2.14 years earlier than those living in England, new figures show.

    And statistics from 2010-12 show the life-expectancy gap has widened, rather than narrowed, in recent years.


    http://www.scotsman.com/news/health/scottish-women-dying-sooner-than-english-1-3350099

    What Scotland needs is control of Health!

    Oh, hang on........

    Carnyx, you have to look at it from Carlotta's blind hatred of Scotland. She is delighted when anything remotely detrimental to Scotland is mentioned.
    Which part of 'lower life expectancy' are you happy with? Unlike you, just because its 'run from Scotland' does not make me assume that it MUST be better.

    Where are the Scots politicians saying 'this is concerning, perhaps we can learn from England'?

    Scotland deserves better, and 'my country right or wrong' is, as Shaw observed, as sensible as 'my mother, drunk or sober....

    Privatising the health service will not cut it, it requires eradication of poverty which will never drop while Westminster bleed us dry.
  • David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 6,506
    nestreet said:

    A very good reason for a large majority not recalling the pension changes is that the very mention of pensions sends most sane people under the age of 60 to sleep. The 20% - 30% that do pay attention are those most directly effected by the changes. And those also, as we all know, are far more likely to vote.


    Everyone who contributes to a money purchase pension will benefit from the increased choice provided in the budget. The majority of these contributors will probably be below 40, maybe lower. However, younger people are unlikely to be thinking about how to redeem the pension when they retire.

    More pertinently, politicians should be warning people that in a globalised world we should expect earnings across the world to converge. Why should a computer programmer, designer, mathematician, footballer or investment banker in the Uk expect to earn more than one in China, India or Indonesia?

    Whilst former third world salaries are rising, we can expect developed world salaries to decline as a result of competition from workers in China, India and Indonesia.


  • Stuart_DicksonStuart_Dickson Posts: 3,557
    Henry McLeish: Labour must stop hating Salmond and the SNP

    Labour must "stop hating Salmond and the SNP" and be tolerant of the dissident Labour For Independence group, former First Minister Henry McLeish has said.

    He sat alongside Allan Grogan, leader of Labour For Independence (LFI), at a packed fringe meeting at the Labour Party Conference in Perth and urged his party to be "tolerant of dissident voices".


    The UK is a "union in decline" and requires a stronger devolution settlement than the party is currently offering with its Powers For A Purpose report, he said.

    Mr McLeish's confirmation that he will vote No to independence was met with "delight" by Shadow Scottish Secretary Margaret Curran...

    "I don't like the fact that Salmond won in 2007 and 2011, but let's remember somebody must have voted for him and if you look at the polls just now they are not good for the Holyrood election.

    ... He added: "We have got to spell out what a No vote actually means. A Yes vote is obvious.

    "If it's a Yes vote on September 18 then it's back to the day jobs and we're moving in a different direction.

    "But a No vote could mean many things to many people, and I think we have got to try and clarify.

    http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/referendum-news/henry-mcleish-labour-must-stop-hating-the-snp.1395504883
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    edited March 2014
    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    Carnyx said:

    fitalass said:
    And concerning news on life expectancy in Scotland:

    WOMEN living in Scotland die an average 2.14 years earlier than those living in England, new figures show.

    And statistics from 2010-12 show the life-expectancy gap has widened, rather than narrowed, in recent years.


    http://www.scotsman.com/news/health/scottish-women-dying-sooner-than-english-1-3350099

    What Scotland needs is control of Health!

    Oh, hang on........

    Carnyx, you have to look at it from Carlotta's blind hatred of Scotland. She is delighted when anything remotely detrimental to Scotland is mentioned.
    Which part of 'lower life expectancy' are you happy with? Unlike you, just because its 'run from Scotland' does not make me assume that it MUST be better.

    Where are the Scots politicians saying 'this is concerning, perhaps we can learn from England'?

    Scotland deserves better, and 'my country right or wrong' is, as Shaw observed, as sensible as 'my mother, drunk or sober....

    Privatising the health service will not cut it, it requires eradication of poverty which will never drop while Westminster bleed us dry.
    Since the Health Service is devolved, who has suggested privatising it in Scotland?

    In any case, other things, like public information campaigns may have more to do with it.

    But as long as you go on blaming others for your ills, as you have just done, you'll never learn, will you? Its the easy way out.....
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,498

    Although reports on Ms Lamont's speech have been 'mixed' (and not just from the usual suspects), she did at least have some good one-liners:

    - "There is a new definition of the word scaremongering - asking Alex Salmond a question he cannot answer."

    - A White Paper about Scotland's future that mentions Strictly Come Dancing more often than it mentions the whisky industry isn't a document to be taken seriously.

    - "The nationalists ask for an alternative to the White Paper. We have one. It's called the truth."

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-26692674

    All that and a multitude of policies , ooops the major topic of all speakers at labour conference was not about Labour policies but about the SNP.
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    @Malcolmg

    Wotcha, Mr. G.,

    Did you see my true story from the butchers this morning? You might have been off hoovering your patio when I posted it buy as I think it will make you laugh I'll repeat it here:

    "I have just been up to the shops and in the butchers I was in the queue behind an elderly lady who wanted to buy some fillet steak. Clive, the butcher, showed her some very nice looking steak indeed. "Where is it from?" asked the old girl. "Its Aberdeen Angus meat and actually from from Aberdeenshire", says Clive. "Oh, no!" she said, "I only buy British meat".
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,121

    O/T, with malcom praising the 'more democratic than the West' Russians over Ukraine, an interesting article on the matter:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2014/03/21/this-map-shows-what-the-loss-of-crimea-really-means-for-ukraine/

    "The Crimeans have spoken so clearly about their future, and now other countries right across the world, I hope, will respect and revere this very, very clear result."
    - David Cameron :)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falkland_Islands_sovereignty_referendum,_2013
    Brad Smith, the leader of the international observer group, announced that the referendum was free and fair and executed in accordance with international standards and international laws.

    The same has not been said about Crimea......
    The turnout in Crimea last week (84%) was much higher than at the 1973 Northern Ireland sovereignty referendum (59%):

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Ireland_sovereignty_referendum,_1973
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,498

    malcolmg said:

    fitalass said:

    BBC Scotland - Nicola Sturgeon: Return on Prestwick 'could take years'

    "Prestwick, which was sold for £1 to the Scottish government on 22 November last year, had a pre-tax loss of £9.77m in the final full year of its ownership by Infratil.

    It was a sharp worsening of its financial position, after a £2.3m pre-tax loss in the year to March 2012.

    Ms Sturgeon told Holyrood's Infrastructure Committee it was possible to get a return on the taxpayers' money and find a private sector buyer, but added MSPs should keep an open mind on possible alternatives.

    She said: "Cardiff Airport is owned by the Welsh government so we shouldn't close our minds to anything around the future potential model that you might want for an airport."

    Money well spent, Tories would have had it shut down and forced us to take buses to London to get a flight if they could manage it.
    Its a vanity project and accident of history - had long enough runways when jets came in - but its time has passed. Why should Scots taxpayers subsidise a cheap base for RyanAir?

    Its time is far from past, best runway in Scotland and fog free with huge amount of land for industry. Certainly worth some investment.
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,320
    MalcolmG, Carlotta does not blind hatred of Scotland, and no, she is not delighted when anything remotely detrimental to Scotland is mentioned. But you on the other hand, appear to have developed a total intolerance to anyone on this site expressing an opinion that criticises or opposes the current SNP administration and its policies at Holyrood. That is your problem, not Carlotta's. There was also a time on this site when it was frowned upon to bandy around the terms lying, lied or liar the way you do to other posters on here on what seems like a daily basis now which is a real shame and adds nothing to the debate.

    The SNP are a political party like any other in Scotland or the the UK, I just wish they would stop trying to hijack our flag and our country as if they owned the rights to being a proud Highlander or Scot because they are nationalists. If I criticise Alex Salmond, the SNP, their policies or simple scrutinise their claims in the Independence debate and disagree or find them dishonest. This does not mean that I am talking down my own country of Scotland or my fellow Scots, nor does it mean that I am bluffing or bullying the Scottish people as a result. Its just means I want to be aware of all the facts before I make such an important decision that will effect my future in Scotland.
    malcolmg said:

    Carnyx said:

    fitalass said:
    And concerning news on life expectancy in Scotland:

    WOMEN living in Scotland die an average 2.14 years earlier than those living in England, new figures show.

    And statistics from 2010-12 show the life-expectancy gap has widened, rather than narrowed, in recent years.


    http://www.scotsman.com/news/health/scottish-women-dying-sooner-than-english-1-3350099

    What Scotland needs is control of Health!

    Oh, hang on........
    SNIP
    Carnyx, you have to look at it from Carlotta's blind hatred of Scotland. She is delighted when anything remotely detrimental to Scotland is mentioned.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,498

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    Carnyx said:

    fitalass said:
    And concerning news on life expectancy in Scotland:

    WOMEN living in Scotland die an average 2.14 years earlier than those living in England, new figures show.

    And statistics from 2010-12 show the life-expectancy gap has widened, rather than narrowed, in recent years.


    http://www.scotsman.com/news/health/scottish-women-dying-sooner-than-english-1-3350099

    What Scotland needs is control of Health!

    Oh, hang on........

    Carnyx, you have to look at it from Carlotta's blind hatred of Scotland. She is delighted when anything remotely detrimental to Scotland is mentioned.
    Which part of 'lower life expectancy' are you happy with? Unlike you, just because its 'run from Scotland' does not make me assume that it MUST be better.

    Where are the Scots politicians saying 'this is concerning, perhaps we can learn from England'?

    Scotland deserves better, and 'my country right or wrong' is, as Shaw observed, as sensible as 'my mother, drunk or sober....

    Privatising the health service will not cut it, it requires eradication of poverty which will never drop while Westminster bleed us dry.
    Since the Health Service is devolved, who has suggested privatising it in Scotland?

    In any case, other things, like public information campaigns may have more to do with it.

    But as long as you go on blaming others for your ills, as you have just done, you'll never learn, will you? Its the easy way out.....
    Watch you don't choke on your caviar. Next you will be saying they should make the poor eat cake.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,498
    edited March 2014

    @Malcolmg

    Wotcha, Mr. G.,

    Did you see my true story from the butchers this morning? You might have been off hoovering your patio when I posted it buy as I think it will make you laugh I'll repeat it here:

    "I have just been up to the shops and in the butchers I was in the queue behind an elderly lady who wanted to buy some fillet steak. Clive, the butcher, showed her some very nice looking steak indeed. "Where is it from?" asked the old girl. "Its Aberdeen Angus meat and actually from from Aberdeenshire", says Clive. "Oh, no!" she said, "I only buy British meat".

    Hurst, LOL , why am I not surprised.

    had fun powerwashing, had sun , rain and hailstones whilst doing it. Having a well earned refreshment now.
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,320
    You mean like folk that live in Dundee, Aberdeen or Inverness who either hop on a bus or train, or even take the car down to Edinburgh or Glasgow to catch a flight to some holiday destination? Oddly enough, never seem to hear of anyone heading to Prestwick instead as its simple not in the right place to be convenient!
    malcolmg said:

    fitalass said:

    BBC Scotland - Nicola Sturgeon: Return on Prestwick 'could take years'

    "Prestwick, which was sold for £1 to the Scottish government on 22 November last year, had a pre-tax loss of £9.77m in the final full year of its ownership by Infratil.

    It was a sharp worsening of its financial position, after a £2.3m pre-tax loss in the year to March 2012.

    Ms Sturgeon told Holyrood's Infrastructure Committee it was possible to get a return on the taxpayers' money and find a private sector buyer, but added MSPs should keep an open mind on possible alternatives.

    She said: "Cardiff Airport is owned by the Welsh government so we shouldn't close our minds to anything around the future potential model that you might want for an airport."

    Money well spent, Tories would have had it shut down and forced us to take buses to London to get a flight if they could manage it.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,498
    fitalass said:

    You mean like folk that live in Dundee, Aberdeen or Inverness who either hop on a bus or train, or even take the car down to Edinburgh or Glasgow to catch a flight to some holiday destination? Oddly enough, never seem to hear of anyone heading to Prestwick instead as its simple not in the right place to be convenient!

    malcolmg said:

    fitalass said:

    BBC Scotland - Nicola Sturgeon: Return on Prestwick 'could take years'

    "Prestwick, which was sold for £1 to the Scottish government on 22 November last year, had a pre-tax loss of £9.77m in the final full year of its ownership by Infratil.

    It was a sharp worsening of its financial position, after a £2.3m pre-tax loss in the year to March 2012.

    Ms Sturgeon told Holyrood's Infrastructure Committee it was possible to get a return on the taxpayers' money and find a private sector buyer, but added MSPs should keep an open mind on possible alternatives.

    She said: "Cardiff Airport is owned by the Welsh government so we shouldn't close our minds to anything around the future potential model that you might want for an airport."

    Money well spent, Tories would have had it shut down and forced us to take buses to London to get a flight if they could manage it.
    You drive past Aberdeen airport or Inverness airport I presume.
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