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  • Is anyone else even trying?
  • stjohnstjohn Posts: 1,889
    10 down.

    NATO
    - TAN (Brown) reflected) + O (over)

    Thanks for keeping this going Blanche. Very short on other solvers this year!
  • pm215pm215 Posts: 1,162

    Bravura performance from @BlancheLivermore this morning. I regard the ability to solve crosswords as evidence of a mis-spent youth. I clearly mis-spent my youth some other way. Wish I could remember how.

    I love cryptic clues, thanks to @stjohn for another cryptic Christmas cracker

    I remember the first clue that was explained to me, by an English teacher when I was about twelve:

    Vast fire destroyed top hotel (4,4)

    FIVE STAR


    I knew then that I wanted to learn how to solve them, but didn't teach myself until I was at uni - when I was meant to be learning maths

    I've solved a few more clues from this puzzle, but I don't want to hog the whole thing..

    I learnt by watching and helping my mum with the Independent's cryptic when I was a teenager. It's a lot easier and less intimidating to get started when you only need to do one or two clues and you already have several intersecting words to give you some known letters, compared to starting with an entire blank grid. I'm not very good though and I find how well I do depends somewhat on the style of the setter...
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,259
    Mulled wine time.

    Booth's mulled wine.

    Very nice it is too.
  • 27a

    GOVERN

    RN (Royal Navy, service) after GOVE (former minister)
  • stjohn said:

    10 down.

    NATO
    - TAN (Brown) reflected) + O (over)

    Thanks for keeping this going Blanche. Very short on other solvers this year!

    I'm loving it, thank you very much

    I just feel like I'm hogging all the fun and glory

    We need @SandraMc to come in and grab a few..
  • sarissasarissa Posts: 2,004
    Merry Christmas from a sunny (but blustery) Fuerteventura. Santa better be bringing me a new pair of hiking boots!

  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,259
    The King acknowledged people without faith in his speech. Nice.
  • 23d extra clue

    1648
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,429

    The King acknowledged people without faith in his speech. Nice.

    Also conflict in "...the Middle East, Central Europe, and Africa..."
  • stjohnstjohn Posts: 1,889
    27 across. GOVERN
    - RN (service - Royal Navy) after (led by) (Michael) GOVE (Tory who was a minister many times).
  • It's a funny old world

    Doctors, engineers, lawyers and teachers are stumped

    And a postie comes along with all the answers
  • 13d

    RORY STEWART

    Anagram (reshuffled) of TORY WETS with walkeR and prioR (finally) and A
  • Happy Christmas everybody and many thanks to St John.
  • Christmas Day should be about the man who came from the stars to save humanity on multiple occasions and died doing so but came back to life but for this year for me it isn't.

    But this year my main focus isn't on Doctor Who but Wallace & Gromit (TV wise.)
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,321

    Mulled wine time.

    Booth's mulled wine.

    Very nice it is too.

    I do my own.
    Shiraz & cinnamon & nutmeg & OJ.
  • stjohnstjohn Posts: 1,889
    13 down. RORY STEWART former Secretary of State for International Development
    - TORY WETS + last letters (finally) of prioR and walkeR + A, all anagrammed
    (reshuffled)
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,321
    OK, goose is overrated.
    Best bit was the parsnips roasted in goose fat.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,211

    It's a funny old world

    Doctors, engineers, lawyers and teachers are stumped

    And a postie comes along with all the answers

    Is it surprising that a postie's great when it comes to letters?
    Got to be my favourite post of the day!

    It's why we earn the big tips

    I ended up with £380, six boxes of chocolates, two boxes of biscuits, a pack of beers and three bottles of wine

    The wine looks surprisingly good: a NZ Sauvignon Blanc, a Sicilian Nero D'Avola from the Wine Society and a Maud Heath English Chardonnay
    That’s a very good 360 review.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,728
    Merry Christmas everyone!
  • 24a

    SPAD

    SPAR (fight) with R (Rep) swapped for D (Dem)
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 6,015
    edited December 25
    7d

    OPT

    nul (O) points (PT)
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 6,015
    edited December 25
    Should 25d be (1,1,1)?

    I think it's PLO

    With R to L (changing sides, right to left) in PRO (for)
  • stjohnstjohn Posts: 1,889
    7 down. OPT
    - O (nil) + PT (point). Nil or zero point is the worst score in Eurovision

    24 across SPAD. Special Adviser, a political appointee hired to support a minister
    - SPAR (fight) with R (Republican) replaced by D (Democrat)
  • stjohnstjohn Posts: 1,889
    PLO, Palestinian Liberation organisation
    - PRO (in favour of) with R (Right side) changing to L (Left side)

    I think it’s ok as (3) but I see your point
  • stjohnstjohn Posts: 1,889
    Just 7 left.

    Across 16, 19, 28. Down 6, 15, 20, 23.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,903
    stjohn said:

    10 down.

    NATO
    - TAN (Brown) reflected) + O (over)

    Thanks for keeping this going Blanche. Very short on other solvers this year!

    I cannot do cryptic clues, but I am enjoying the superb efforts of those solving and your even more amazing skill of doing it!
  • stjohn said:

    PLO, Palestinian Liberation organisation
    - PRO (in favour of) with R (Right side) changing to L (Left side)

    I think it’s ok as (3) but I see your point

    I got it as (3), so it worked!
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,419
    edited December 25
    stjohn said:

    Just 7 left.

    Across 16, 19, 28. Down 6, 15, 20, 23.

    I can't see the solution to 1 across. Obviously it is _T_E_T.

    Street ?

    Can't see the former mayor bit but in and G (Germany's capital) rejected from Streeting
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,046
    Pulpstar said:

    stjohn said:

    Just 7 left.

    Across 16, 19, 28. Down 6, 15, 20, 23.

    I can't see the solution to 1 across. Obviously it is _T_E_T.

    Street ?

    Can't see the former mayor bit but in and G (Germany's capital) rejected from Streeting
    Andy Street, former mayor of West Midlands.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,419
    edited December 25
    Sandpit said:

    Pulpstar said:

    stjohn said:

    Just 7 left.

    Across 16, 19, 28. Down 6, 15, 20, 23.

    I can't see the solution to 1 across. Obviously it is _T_E_T.

    Street ?

    Can't see the former mayor bit but in and G (Germany's capital) rejected from Streeting
    Andy Street, former mayor of West Midlands.
    Yep. Definitely street, but St John's post implies it was already solved ?
  • Merry Christmas, everyone!

    Isn't there an "easy" version of the crossword?
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,100

    Merry Christmas, everyone!

    Isn't there an "easy" version of the crossword?

    Yes. We sit back and enjoy the answers. And marvel.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,429

    Merry Christmas, everyone!

    Isn't there an "easy" version of the crossword?

    I find if you fill out the grid with the letter "A" it works just as well and is considerably quicker :)

    Doctor Who is on at 5:10
  • stjohnstjohn Posts: 1,889
    1across. You are right I implied it hadn’t been solved.

    STREET Andy. Former West Midlands mayor.
    - IN G (Germany’s capital) rejected by (Wes) STREET(ING) Secretary of State
    for Health and Social Care
  • Merry Christmas, everyone!

    Isn't there an "easy" version of the crossword?

    Merry Christmas,Sunil.

    Perhaps St.John could do a picture crossword for us next year?
  • So, duck went in the oven...

    I then read cooking instructions...

    "Remove bag of giblets from cavity"

    Duck hastily removed from oven and extraction performed.

    Disaster averted!

    Been there and done that, Sandy. Makes for some interesting flavours.
  • Blanche should get a prize for her skill and tenacity.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,259

    It's a funny old world

    Doctors, engineers, lawyers and teachers are stumped

    And a postie comes along with all the answers

    Never mind stumped, I haven't even left the dressing room.
  • 15d

    TONBRIDGE

    where Tugendhat won a TON of BRIDGE

  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,320
    The snow has melted here in New York.
    No White Christmas after all.

    I went on X/Twitter, and I see Iceland’s new government is promising a referendum on EU membership (current support, 54%), while Douglas Carswell, former Brexit luminary, is now tweeting support for mass deportations.

    I predict 2025 will be as crazy as 2024.

    Merry Christmas everyone!
  • stjohnstjohn Posts: 1,889
    15 down. TONBRIDGE is the name of the constituency won by Tom Tugendhat,
    (number 9 across), in the last two general elections
    - TON (many) + BRIDGE (a game
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,354
    edited December 25
    Given Blanche's answers on the acrosses, I have 20 down as RIPPON, Angela the broadcaster and the small northern city.

    What wording and implied letter transformations adds or removes additional 'p's' I can't exactly fathom.
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 6,015
    edited December 25
    The only one of the rest that I've got is 23d

    I've given a MASSIVE clue: 1648

    Come on historians..
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,481

    The snow has melted here in New York.
    No White Christmas after all.

    I went on X/Twitter, and I see Iceland’s new government is promising a referendum on EU membership (current support, 54%), while Douglas Carswell, former Brexit luminary, is now tweeting support for mass deportations.

    I predict 2025 will be as crazy as 2024.

    Merry Christmas everyone!

    Doesn't he live in the States?
    Please don't let them start with him.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,211

    So, duck went in the oven...

    I then read cooking instructions...

    "Remove bag of giblets from cavity"

    Duck hastily removed from oven and extraction performed.

    Disaster averted!

    Been there and done that, Sandy. Makes for some interesting flavours.
    Depends how well sealed the bag is.

    One time my wife forgot - the giblets bag was a sous vide grade thing. Didn’t leak or burst, just cooked with the duck.
  • stjohnstjohn Posts: 1,889
    20 down. RIPPON Angela is a broadcaster
    - sounds like (on the air) RIPON (northern city)
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,443

    The only one of the rest that I've got is 23d

    I've given a MASSIVE clue: 1648

    Come on historians..

    Pride's Purge.
  • Tim_in_RuislipTim_in_Ruislip Posts: 437
    edited December 25
    Happy Christmas Everyone.
  • Nigelb said:

    OK, goose is overrated.
    Best bit was the parsnips roasted in goose fat.

    Goose is not overrated, which is precisely why hardly anyone has goose.
  • So, duck went in the oven...

    I then read cooking instructions...

    "Remove bag of giblets from cavity"

    Duck hastily removed from oven and extraction performed.

    Disaster averted!

    In all my years watching Masterchef (phwoar missus) I've never seen a duck roasted whole. Chefs always chop it up and cook bits separately.
  • Leon not turning up is a shame. I was genuinely curious about whether his AI machine can solve the crossword.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,176

    It's a funny old world

    Doctors, engineers, lawyers and teachers are stumped

    And a postie comes along with all the answers

    Is it surprising that a postie's great when it comes to letters?
    She delivers all the right letters, but not necessarily in the right order?
  • IanB2 said:

    It's a funny old world

    Doctors, engineers, lawyers and teachers are stumped

    And a postie comes along with all the answers

    Is it surprising that a postie's great when it comes to letters?
    She delivers all the right letters, but not necessarily in the right order?
    In this context, often necessarily in the wrong order!
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,362
    28A - rebate?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,321

    Nigelb said:

    OK, goose is overrated.
    Best bit was the parsnips roasted in goose fat.

    Goose is not overrated, which is precisely why hardly anyone has goose.
    Fair point. Frankly, I preferred my vegetarian lasagne that I made for the non meat eaters.

    Now re-roasting the carcass to make stock out of the remains.

    The fat is nice, though.
  • Penddu2Penddu2 Posts: 721
    On the subject of AI I have been playing with an AI photo editor - Picsart - I am seriously impressed. Excellent for removing/replacing background from photos
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,429
    Doctor Who was really good, even though some of the reviewers didn't like it. I worked out the last scene about 5 minutes beforehand, even down to one of the lines ("Oh, of course..."). Nice to see Moffat didn't f*** up the ending as he has done so often.
  • Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    OK, goose is overrated.
    Best bit was the parsnips roasted in goose fat.

    Goose is not overrated, which is precisely why hardly anyone has goose.
    Fair point. Frankly, I preferred my vegetarian lasagne that I made for the non meat eaters.

    Now re-roasting the carcass to make stock out of the remains.

    The fat is nice, though.
    In olden times, you might use goose fat to insulate young children against cold winters. Now, we roast potatoes in it.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,176

    Leon not turning up is a shame. I was genuinely curious about whether his AI machine can solve the crossword.

    That doesn’t need to be done on, and is better done after, the day
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,481
    Next time Leon goes off on one show him a Norbot.
    A?
    Aye Gromit.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,176

    It's a funny old world

    Doctors, engineers, lawyers and teachers are stumped

    And a postie comes along with all the answers

    Is it surprising that a postie's great when it comes to letters?
    Got to be my favourite post of the day!

    It's why we earn the big tips

    I ended up with £380, six boxes of chocolates, two boxes of biscuits, a pack of beers and three bottles of wine

    The wine looks surprisingly good: a NZ Sauvignon Blanc, a Sicilian Nero D'Avola from the Wine Society and a Maud Heath English Chardonnay
    Very impressive, and well above average nowadays. All against Royal Mail rules, of course, not that anybody enforces them
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,259

    So, duck went in the oven...

    I then read cooking instructions...

    "Remove bag of giblets from cavity"

    Duck hastily removed from oven and extraction performed.

    Disaster averted!

    In all my years watching Masterchef (phwoar missus) I've never seen a duck roasted whole. Chefs always chop it up and cook bits separately.
    The duck was a success, after the initial gibletgate excitement. Everything else tasty too. And plenty left for tomorrow.

    Just letting it all digest before tackling a slice of yule log.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,429

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    OK, goose is overrated.
    Best bit was the parsnips roasted in goose fat.

    Goose is not overrated, which is precisely why hardly anyone has goose.
    Fair point. Frankly, I preferred my vegetarian lasagne that I made for the non meat eaters.

    Now re-roasting the carcass to make stock out of the remains.

    The fat is nice, though.
    In olden times, you might use goose fat to insulate young children against cold winters. Now, we roast potatoes in it.
    You roast potatoes in young children? Most people use ovens, but each to your own... :)
  • TimSTimS Posts: 13,223
    edited December 25
    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    OK, goose is overrated.
    Best bit was the parsnips roasted in goose fat.

    Goose is not overrated, which is precisely why hardly anyone has goose.
    Fair point. Frankly, I preferred my vegetarian lasagne that I made for the non meat eaters.

    Now re-roasting the carcass to make stock out of the remains.

    The fat is nice, though.
    Happy Christmas from Burgundy, where our fancy new electrics in the converted barn kept tripping the main circuit breaker in the house and plunging us into darkness.

    Our goose was under strict instructions to be good because I paid a fortune for it at the Cluny butcher. It’s a faff to make though and you don’t get much meat for your money. I cut it up into joints, confited the legs last night, cooked the breasts pink at the last minute today, and made stock and gravy with the rest of the carcass and a bottle of wine. A good litre or so of fat.

    Next year we’ll go back to Capon I think. Much more meat for the price, and you can cook it all in one with less faff.

    Oh and here’s the head:
  • spudgfshspudgfsh Posts: 1,527
    viewcode said:

    Doctor Who was really good, even though some of the reviewers didn't like it. I worked out the last scene about 5 minutes beforehand, even down to one of the lines ("Oh, of course..."). Nice to see Moffat didn't f*** up the ending as he has done so often.

    I went in with low expectations, not the best or the worst one of the Christmas specials. thankfully no poor Christmas themed monsters.
  • CHartCHart Posts: 106
    Wrt uk housing. These are the types of houses our elites live in. Well built and airy. Then for us plebs we have new builds in newent with tiny rooms in which you can barely swing a cat. We really peaked in georgian times.

    https://x.com/theoldbuilding/status/1871571419391484080
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,825
    CHart said:

    Wrt uk housing. These are the types of houses our elites live in. Well built and airy. Then for us plebs we have new builds in newent with tiny rooms in which you can barely swing a cat. We really peaked in georgian times.

    https://x.com/theoldbuilding/status/1871571419391484080

    I don't think you would have enjoyed living in the house of an ordinary person in Georgian times.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,825
    viewcode said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    OK, goose is overrated.
    Best bit was the parsnips roasted in goose fat.

    Goose is not overrated, which is precisely why hardly anyone has goose.
    Fair point. Frankly, I preferred my vegetarian lasagne that I made for the non meat eaters.

    Now re-roasting the carcass to make stock out of the remains.

    The fat is nice, though.
    In olden times, you might use goose fat to insulate young children against cold winters. Now, we roast potatoes in it.
    You roast potatoes in young children? Most people use ovens, but each to your own... :)
    Air fryers these days.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,259
    ydoethur said:

    viewcode said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    OK, goose is overrated.
    Best bit was the parsnips roasted in goose fat.

    Goose is not overrated, which is precisely why hardly anyone has goose.
    Fair point. Frankly, I preferred my vegetarian lasagne that I made for the non meat eaters.

    Now re-roasting the carcass to make stock out of the remains.

    The fat is nice, though.
    In olden times, you might use goose fat to insulate young children against cold winters. Now, we roast potatoes in it.
    You roast potatoes in young children? Most people use ovens, but each to your own... :)
    Air fryers these days.
    AKA Small ovens.
  • stjohnstjohn Posts: 1,889
    Not rebate.
  • viewcode said:

    Doctor Who was really good, even though some of the reviewers didn't like it. I worked out the last scene about 5 minutes beforehand, even down to one of the lines ("Oh, of course..."). Nice to see Moffat didn't f*** up the ending as he has done so often.

    But it mentioned the Downing Street lockdown parties.

    I expect The Telegraph and Mail will lose their poop.
  • CHart said:

    Wrt uk housing. These are the types of houses our elites live in. Well built and airy. Then for us plebs we have new builds in newent with tiny rooms in which you can barely swing a cat. We really peaked in georgian times.

    https://x.com/theoldbuilding/status/1871571419391484080

    Are Georgian townhouses all they are cracked up to be? Tiny rooms spread over five floors with no lift. And these days, how will you charge your electric car?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,825
    edited December 25

    viewcode said:

    Doctor Who was really good, even though some of the reviewers didn't like it. I worked out the last scene about 5 minutes beforehand, even down to one of the lines ("Oh, of course..."). Nice to see Moffat didn't f*** up the ending as he has done so often.

    But it mentioned the Downing Street lockdown parties.

    I expect The Telegraph and Mail will lose their poop.
    Since they're absolutely full of it that will make Thames Water's job impossible.

    Or it would, if they were trying to do it.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,476
    ydoethur said:

    CHart said:

    Wrt uk housing. These are the types of houses our elites live in. Well built and airy. Then for us plebs we have new builds in newent with tiny rooms in which you can barely swing a cat. We really peaked in georgian times.

    https://x.com/theoldbuilding/status/1871571419391484080

    I don't think you would have enjoyed living in the house of an ordinary person in Georgian times.
    And they certainly weren’t well built. That’s the advantage of a terrace - they are all falling down in different directions so remain as stable as a house of cards
  • CHartCHart Posts: 106

    CHart said:

    Wrt uk housing. These are the types of houses our elites live in. Well built and airy. Then for us plebs we have new builds in newent with tiny rooms in which you can barely swing a cat. We really peaked in georgian times.

    https://x.com/theoldbuilding/status/1871571419391484080

    Are Georgian townhouses all they are cracked up to be? Tiny rooms spread over five floors with no lift. And these days, how will you charge your electric car?
    The nicest flat i ever lived in was in a georgian townhouse. Bright and airy and healthy.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,700
    CHart said:

    CHart said:

    Wrt uk housing. These are the types of houses our elites live in. Well built and airy. Then for us plebs we have new builds in newent with tiny rooms in which you can barely swing a cat. We really peaked in georgian times.

    https://x.com/theoldbuilding/status/1871571419391484080

    Are Georgian townhouses all they are cracked up to be? Tiny rooms spread over five floors with no lift. And these days, how will you charge your electric car?
    The nicest flat i ever lived in was in a georgian townhouse. Bright and airy and healthy.
    And who do you think lived in it in a Georgian times? Clue - it wasn’t the working classes.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 13,223

    ydoethur said:

    CHart said:

    Wrt uk housing. These are the types of houses our elites live in. Well built and airy. Then for us plebs we have new builds in newent with tiny rooms in which you can barely swing a cat. We really peaked in georgian times.

    https://x.com/theoldbuilding/status/1871571419391484080

    I don't think you would have enjoyed living in the house of an ordinary person in Georgian times.
    And they certainly weren’t well built. That’s the advantage of a terrace - they are all falling down in different directions so remain as stable as a house of cards
    Ours is a bit more recent: early Victorian. Bit the same townhouse shape with flat sashes, and the same house of cards construction. The walls aren’t pinned together and the floors just sit on them, so they have a tendency to topple forward and backwards.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,259

    CHart said:

    CHart said:

    Wrt uk housing. These are the types of houses our elites live in. Well built and airy. Then for us plebs we have new builds in newent with tiny rooms in which you can barely swing a cat. We really peaked in georgian times.

    https://x.com/theoldbuilding/status/1871571419391484080

    Are Georgian townhouses all they are cracked up to be? Tiny rooms spread over five floors with no lift. And these days, how will you charge your electric car?
    The nicest flat i ever lived in was in a georgian townhouse. Bright and airy and healthy.
    And who do you think lived in it in a Georgian times? Clue - it wasn’t the working classes.
    Except for the servants.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,700

    CHart said:

    CHart said:

    Wrt uk housing. These are the types of houses our elites live in. Well built and airy. Then for us plebs we have new builds in newent with tiny rooms in which you can barely swing a cat. We really peaked in georgian times.

    https://x.com/theoldbuilding/status/1871571419391484080

    Are Georgian townhouses all they are cracked up to be? Tiny rooms spread over five floors with no lift. And these days, how will you charge your electric car?
    The nicest flat i ever lived in was in a georgian townhouse. Bright and airy and healthy.
    And who do you think lived in it in a Georgian times? Clue - it wasn’t the working classes.
    Except for the servants.
    Well if you fancy waking before dawn and being at the beck and call of your social ‘betters’ then by all means become a drudge.
  • CHartCHart Posts: 106

    CHart said:

    CHart said:

    Wrt uk housing. These are the types of houses our elites live in. Well built and airy. Then for us plebs we have new builds in newent with tiny rooms in which you can barely swing a cat. We really peaked in georgian times.

    https://x.com/theoldbuilding/status/1871571419391484080

    Are Georgian townhouses all they are cracked up to be? Tiny rooms spread over five floors with no lift. And these days, how will you charge your electric car?
    The nicest flat i ever lived in was in a georgian townhouse. Bright and airy and healthy.
    And who do you think lived in it in a Georgian times? Clue - it wasn’t the working classes.
    Mews houses in london going for millions used to be servant quarters.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,825
    What puzzles me is why The Poster In Question would try to disguise his identity by using no caps at all and then blow his cover good and proper by referring to his bizarre hatred of Newent.

    I can only assume he's past all reason on the subject.

    Which if anyone other than he, I and @Mexicanpete has ever been there, will find baffling given it's a pretty and perfectly inoffensive if rather dull town.
  • CHartCHart Posts: 106
    Nothing will dissuade me from the view the poor quality of new builds in the uk is deliberate to keep the natives depressed and in low vibrational states.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,057

    Leon not turning up is a shame. I was genuinely curious about whether his AI machine can solve the crossword.

    I gave it a blast with web-search enabled and some pointers as to the website it came from. It was quite good at solving some of the questions, but overall hit'n'miss. Unlike human PBers. In a way.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,057

    So, duck went in the oven...

    I then read cooking instructions...

    "Remove bag of giblets from cavity"

    Duck hastily removed from oven and extraction performed.

    Disaster averted!

    In all my years watching Masterchef (phwoar missus) I've never seen a duck roasted whole. Chefs always chop it up and cook bits separately.
    I recently came across this Michelin Starred chef on YouTube :

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNvua9HJJt8

    Seemed like a pretty decent roast duck recipe.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,700
    CHart said:

    Nothing will dissuade me from the view the poor quality of new builds in the uk is deliberate to keep the natives depressed and in low vibrational states.

    Low vibrational states? Is that some new(ent) age bullshit?
  • CHartCHart Posts: 106

    CHart said:

    Nothing will dissuade me from the view the poor quality of new builds in the uk is deliberate to keep the natives depressed and in low vibrational states.

    Low vibrational states? Is that some new(ent) age bullshit?
    I wouldnt expect a philistine like yourself to understand. A low vibrational state is someone acting out of anxiety and fear just the ways the elites like the populace acting.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,057

    CHart said:

    CHart said:

    Wrt uk housing. These are the types of houses our elites live in. Well built and airy. Then for us plebs we have new builds in newent with tiny rooms in which you can barely swing a cat. We really peaked in georgian times.

    https://x.com/theoldbuilding/status/1871571419391484080

    Are Georgian townhouses all they are cracked up to be? Tiny rooms spread over five floors with no lift. And these days, how will you charge your electric car?
    The nicest flat i ever lived in was in a georgian townhouse. Bright and airy and healthy.
    And who do you think lived in it in a Georgian times? Clue - it wasn’t the working classes.
    Except for the servants.
    Well if you fancy waking before dawn and being at the beck and call of your social ‘betters’ then by all means become a drudge.
    I think you'll find "valued member of our team" is the HR-friendly version of "drudge". I'd hate to have to send you on those courses. Again.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,172
    TimS said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    OK, goose is overrated.
    Best bit was the parsnips roasted in goose fat.

    Goose is not overrated, which is precisely why hardly anyone has goose.
    Fair point. Frankly, I preferred my vegetarian lasagne that I made for the non meat eaters.

    Now re-roasting the carcass to make stock out of the remains.

    The fat is nice, though.
    Happy Christmas from Burgundy, where our fancy new electrics in the converted barn kept tripping the main circuit breaker in the house and plunging us into darkness.

    Our goose was under strict instructions to be good because I paid a fortune for it at the Cluny butcher. It’s a faff to make though and you don’t get much meat for your money. I cut it up into joints, confited the legs last night, cooked the breasts pink at the last minute today, and made stock and gravy with the rest of the carcass and a bottle of wine. A good litre or so of fat.

    Next year we’ll go back to Capon I think. Much more meat for the price, and you can cook it all in one with less faff.

    Oh and here’s the head:
    Brings to mind that tale of degenerate aristos slamming a drawer on the neck of a live goose while indulging in…activities. That would be fully utilising the animal.
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 6,015
    edited December 25

    The only one of the rest that I've got is 23d

    I've given a MASSIVE clue: 1648

    Come on historians..

    FFS, have none of you heard of the Rump Parliament?

    Have a guess which President that completes the wordplay for..
  • Vengeance Most Fowl was awesome.

    Anybody who says otherwise is utterly wrong.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,211
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    viewcode said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    OK, goose is overrated.
    Best bit was the parsnips roasted in goose fat.

    Goose is not overrated, which is precisely why hardly anyone has goose.
    Fair point. Frankly, I preferred my vegetarian lasagne that I made for the non meat eaters.

    Now re-roasting the carcass to make stock out of the remains.

    The fat is nice, though.
    In olden times, you might use goose fat to insulate young children against cold winters. Now, we roast potatoes in it.
    You roast potatoes in young children? Most people use ovens, but each to your own... :)
    Baby eating Tories, remember?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,825

    The only one of the rest that I've got is 23d

    I've given a MASSIVE clue: 1648

    Come on historians..

    FFS, have none of you heard of the Rump Parliament?
    Sure. Bunch of arses.

    Not that this distinguished them from say, the 2019 Parliament.
  • spudgfshspudgfsh Posts: 1,527

    The only one of the rest that I've got is 23d

    I've given a MASSIVE clue: 1648

    Come on historians..

    FFS, have none of you heard of the Rump Parliament?

    Have a guess which President that completes the wordplay for..
    Only through the Monty Python song. The problem I have with most cryptic crosswords is they mostly make reference to things I'd forgotten years ago or never knew in the first place.
  • spudgfshspudgfsh Posts: 1,527

    Vengeance Most Fowl was awesome.

    Anybody who says otherwise is utterly wrong.

    best bit of TV of the day
  • ohnotnow said:

    So, duck went in the oven...

    I then read cooking instructions...

    "Remove bag of giblets from cavity"

    Duck hastily removed from oven and extraction performed.

    Disaster averted!

    In all my years watching Masterchef (phwoar missus) I've never seen a duck roasted whole. Chefs always chop it up and cook bits separately.
    I recently came across this Michelin Starred chef on YouTube :

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNvua9HJJt8

    Seemed like a pretty decent roast duck recipe.
    The true wonder of our age is not AI but that instructions for everything are on YouTube.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,700
    CHart said:

    CHart said:

    Nothing will dissuade me from the view the poor quality of new builds in the uk is deliberate to keep the natives depressed and in low vibrational states.

    Low vibrational states? Is that some new(ent) age bullshit?
    I wouldnt expect a philistine like yourself to understand. A low vibrational state is someone acting out of anxiety and fear just the ways the elites like the populace acting.
    So yes, some new age bullshit. Social sciences have always tried to make their bullshit sound scientific, leading to Sokal’s brilliance.
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