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  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,172
    The GOP is a dangerous set of jokers.

    Rand Paul floats Elon Musk for Speaker

    https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5048431-rand-paul-elon-musk-speaker/
    … The Speaker of the House need not be a member of Congress . . . ,” Paul wrote.
    “Nothing would disrupt the swamp more than electing Elon Musk . . . think about it . . . nothing’s impossible. (not to mention the joy at seeing the collective establishment, aka ‘uniparty,’ lose their ever-lovin’ minds).”
    Later Thursday, Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.) said she would be open to supporting Musk to replace Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.) in a post quoting Paul.
    “I’d be open to supporting @elonmusk for Speaker of the House. DOGE can only truly be accomplished by reigning in Congress to enact real government efficiency,” Greene wrote on X.
    “The establishment needs to be shattered just like it was yesterday. This could be the way,” she added.…
  • Nigelb said:

    The GOP is a dangerous set of jokers.

    Rand Paul floats Elon Musk for Speaker

    https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5048431-rand-paul-elon-musk-speaker/
    … The Speaker of the House need not be a member of Congress . . . ,” Paul wrote.
    “Nothing would disrupt the swamp more than electing Elon Musk . . . think about it . . . nothing’s impossible. (not to mention the joy at seeing the collective establishment, aka ‘uniparty,’ lose their ever-lovin’ minds).”
    Later Thursday, Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.) said she would be open to supporting Musk to replace Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.) in a post quoting Paul.
    “I’d be open to supporting @elonmusk for Speaker of the House. DOGE can only truly be accomplished by reigning in Congress to enact real government efficiency,” Greene wrote on X.
    “The establishment needs to be shattered just like it was yesterday. This could be the way,” she added.…

    Which theoretically makes Musk second in line to the presidency.

    I am sure SCOTUS will come up with a reason why he would be eligible to be President.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,112
    carnforth said:

    Foxy said:

    carnforth said:

    CHart said:

    Something is gping drastically wrong with dementia in this country. We have the second highest age standardised death rate in the world. Yes we are a high latitude country but other high latitude countries like germany have death rates a fraction of ours.

    Our demented patients are dying faster, or simply of different causes?
    Reality looks like this


    Widespread use of weight loss drugs may change that around significantly.
    Yes, it looks like we fatties are dying off before we can get dementure. And, we don't have the close-knit extended families to look after us when we do, unlike the italians.
    Or it might be the other way around, we don't over treat those with dementia compared with our neighbours, thereby letting them slip away.
    BTW is spelling dementia as "dementure" a bad sign? Asking for a friend...
    An ominous sign indeed...
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,934

    Things allegedly going boom in Murmansk, home of the Russian northern fleet.

    https://x.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1869787923228569737

    So much for being a safe harbour for Russia's bombers.

    The remarkable extension in the range of Ukrainian drones in less than three years was never expected by Putin. Although, given that Ukraine has long been a centre of munitions expertise, perhaps should have been.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 23,143

    CHart said:

    Something is gping drastically wrong with dementia in this country. We have the second highest age standardised death rate in the world. Yes we are a high latitude country but other high latitude countries like germany have death rates a fraction of ours.

    Our demented patients are dying faster, or simply of different causes?
    Reality looks like this


    Widespread use of weight loss drugs may change that around significantly.
    Except in the UK, where the NHS is rationing their use.
    People will pay, and prices will come down pretty rapidly over next few years.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,114

    Nigelb said:

    The GOP is a dangerous set of jokers.

    Rand Paul floats Elon Musk for Speaker

    https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5048431-rand-paul-elon-musk-speaker/
    … The Speaker of the House need not be a member of Congress . . . ,” Paul wrote.
    “Nothing would disrupt the swamp more than electing Elon Musk . . . think about it . . . nothing’s impossible. (not to mention the joy at seeing the collective establishment, aka ‘uniparty,’ lose their ever-lovin’ minds).”
    Later Thursday, Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.) said she would be open to supporting Musk to replace Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.) in a post quoting Paul.
    “I’d be open to supporting @elonmusk for Speaker of the House. DOGE can only truly be accomplished by reigning in Congress to enact real government efficiency,” Greene wrote on X.
    “The establishment needs to be shattered just like it was yesterday. This could be the way,” she added.…

    Which theoretically makes Musk second in line to the presidency.

    I am sure SCOTUS will come up with a reason why he would be eligible to be President.
    I knew it was going to be insane and would destroy the US republic, but even I thought it would happen a bit slower than this.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,578
    Yesterday's man seems a curious choice.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,330

    Carnyx said:

    Sandpit said:

    Taz said:

    Here's a test for Labour. Economic Growth versus the Green Fringe de-growth nutters. Will they allow a 3rd runway at Heathrow or not ?

    "Heathrow is in talks with the Government about controversial plans for a third runway and has announced a £2.3billion upgrade.

    Europe’s busiest airport is in fresh discussions with ministers and airlines in its latest push in a long battle to expand.

    Chief executive Thomas Woldbye wants to boost existing infrastructure -while drumming up support for a third runway."


    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/heathrow-launches-fresh-bid-to-build-third-runway-as-it-presses-ahead-with-2-3bn-upgrade/ar-AA1w7fVx?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531&cvid=2accb09b1e754738b0928a30e82e5b7c&ei=17

    JFDI, preferably about two decades ago.

    UK is pretty much the worst place in the world at building new infrastructure. The only other place that comes close is the US.
    Sell RAF Northolt to Heathrow. Money for MoD and Heathrow has less planning appeals to get through.
    Raff still needs it for Raff business, gubmint ministers, etc. And it's already used for civvies in the gaps. PLus what if one needs to change between flights?
    That's the point, isn't it? RAF Northolt is a perfectly good airport that the RAF hangs onto just to fly VIPs. Sell it to Heathrow and fly the VIPs from the same place, now called Heathrow.
    Not just VIPs but quite a bit more than that. RAF bumf central, RAF Band, even some brown jobs.

    Should have kept Hendon with the RAF Museum on one side ...
  • I commend SKS to sticking by his decisions, however unpopular they are.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,835
    A fine man.



    Now, can we find a foreign posting for Alastair Campbell?
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,161
    Does he even like Ferrero Rocher?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,330

    Does he even like Ferrero Rocher?
    Guacamole's more his line. Allegedly.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,471
    Nigelb said:

    The GOP is a dangerous set of jokers.

    Rand Paul floats Elon Musk for Speaker

    https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5048431-rand-paul-elon-musk-speaker/
    … The Speaker of the House need not be a member of Congress . . . ,” Paul wrote.
    “Nothing would disrupt the swamp more than electing Elon Musk . . . think about it . . . nothing’s impossible. (not to mention the joy at seeing the collective establishment, aka ‘uniparty,’ lose their ever-lovin’ minds).”
    Later Thursday, Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.) said she would be open to supporting Musk to replace Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.) in a post quoting Paul.
    “I’d be open to supporting @elonmusk for Speaker of the House. DOGE can only truly be accomplished by reigning in Congress to enact real government efficiency,” Greene wrote on X.
    “The establishment needs to be shattered just like it was yesterday. This could be the way,” she added.…

    Congress would be leaner and more efficient if they disposed of anybody, such as MTG, who can't distinguish between 'reining' and 'reigning'.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 23,143

    Nigelb said:

    The GOP is a dangerous set of jokers.

    Rand Paul floats Elon Musk for Speaker

    https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5048431-rand-paul-elon-musk-speaker/
    … The Speaker of the House need not be a member of Congress . . . ,” Paul wrote.
    “Nothing would disrupt the swamp more than electing Elon Musk . . . think about it . . . nothing’s impossible. (not to mention the joy at seeing the collective establishment, aka ‘uniparty,’ lose their ever-lovin’ minds).”
    Later Thursday, Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.) said she would be open to supporting Musk to replace Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.) in a post quoting Paul.
    “I’d be open to supporting @elonmusk for Speaker of the House. DOGE can only truly be accomplished by reigning in Congress to enact real government efficiency,” Greene wrote on X.
    “The establishment needs to be shattered just like it was yesterday. This could be the way,” she added.…

    Which theoretically makes Musk second in line to the presidency.

    I am sure SCOTUS will come up with a reason why he would be eligible to be President.
    $1bn x 5 would be a good reason imo.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,934
    carnforth said:

    A fine man.



    Now, can we find a foreign posting for Alastair Campbell?
    Our man in Tristan da Cunha?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,268

    Nigelb said:

    The GOP is a dangerous set of jokers.

    Rand Paul floats Elon Musk for Speaker

    https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5048431-rand-paul-elon-musk-speaker/
    … The Speaker of the House need not be a member of Congress . . . ,” Paul wrote.
    “Nothing would disrupt the swamp more than electing Elon Musk . . . think about it . . . nothing’s impossible. (not to mention the joy at seeing the collective establishment, aka ‘uniparty,’ lose their ever-lovin’ minds).”
    Later Thursday, Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.) said she would be open to supporting Musk to replace Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.) in a post quoting Paul.
    “I’d be open to supporting @elonmusk for Speaker of the House. DOGE can only truly be accomplished by reigning in Congress to enact real government efficiency,” Greene wrote on X.
    “The establishment needs to be shattered just like it was yesterday. This could be the way,” she added.…

    Congress would be leaner and more efficient if they disposed of anybody, such as MTG, who can't distinguish between 'reining' and 'reigning'.
    What's wrong with what she said? She thinks Trump needs to reign in Congress.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,972
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,082

    Things allegedly going boom in Murmansk, home of the Russian northern fleet.

    https://x.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1869787923228569737

    So much for being a safe harbour for Russia's bombers.

    The remarkable extension in the range of Ukrainian drones in less than three years was never expected by Putin. Although, given that Ukraine has long been a centre of munitions expertise, perhaps should have been.
    Many of these attacks are actually being carried out by Russians recruited, online, by Ukrainian Intelligence. Quote often for money. The Russians are trying the same thing in Ukraine, and in Europe.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,709
    kle4 said:

    Yesterday's man seems a curious choice.
    That's what I thought when I heard the Reps had picked the Trumpster Fire as their candidate.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,114

    Things allegedly going boom in Murmansk, home of the Russian northern fleet.

    https://x.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1869787923228569737

    So much for being a safe harbour for Russia's bombers.

    The remarkable extension in the range of Ukrainian drones in less than three years was never expected by Putin. Although, given that Ukraine has long been a centre of munitions expertise, perhaps should have been.
    The guy thought he'd be in Kviv in 48 hours. He hasn't a clue. Probably because he has created a state where everyone lies all the time.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,709

    Nigelb said:

    The GOP is a dangerous set of jokers.

    Rand Paul floats Elon Musk for Speaker

    https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5048431-rand-paul-elon-musk-speaker/
    … The Speaker of the House need not be a member of Congress . . . ,” Paul wrote.
    “Nothing would disrupt the swamp more than electing Elon Musk . . . think about it . . . nothing’s impossible. (not to mention the joy at seeing the collective establishment, aka ‘uniparty,’ lose their ever-lovin’ minds).”
    Later Thursday, Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.) said she would be open to supporting Musk to replace Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.) in a post quoting Paul.
    “I’d be open to supporting @elonmusk for Speaker of the House. DOGE can only truly be accomplished by reigning in Congress to enact real government efficiency,” Greene wrote on X.
    “The establishment needs to be shattered just like it was yesterday. This could be the way,” she added.…

    Congress would be leaner and more efficient if they disposed of anybody, such as MTG, who can't distinguish between 'reining' and 'reigning'.
    What's wrong with what she said? She thinks Trump needs to reign in Congress.
    It's surprising she's admitting it quite so openly.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,835

    carnforth said:

    A fine man.



    Now, can we find a foreign posting for Alastair Campbell?
    Our man in Tristan da Cunha?
    Or its subterritory:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inaccessible_Island
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,934

    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Re profiles:

    @TSE and I will discuss.

    And we will then issue an edict.

    Or maybe more than one.

    It may be that there are some rules about moderator infallibility that we slip in there.

    For infallibility to be legitimate you need to be seated on your throne
    Papal throne for preference.
    I hope that neither @TheScreamingEagles or @rcs1000 are the Pope!
    We'd have had worse. Just about.
    Pope Joan?
    Pope Stephen VI had the rotting corpse of his predecessor exhumed, dressed it in papal robes, tried it on trumped up charges, chopped off its blessing fingers, and had it chucked in the Tiber.

    Lacking a Y chromosome is quite mild by comparison. Whether TSE or RCS would do even worse as pope is a moot point - it really isn't for me to judge, and could go either way.
    I would make a terrible Pope, the chastity would either get me in to trouble or turn me in to a psychopath.
    You could always have a wank.*

    * I've not checked canon law on this - have a word with one of your cardinals if uncertain.
    Monty Python tells us "Every sperm is sacred".
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,835
    Alastair Campbell, Wikipedia informs me, was born in Keighley. So I think he'd be happy anywhere.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,934
    carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    A fine man.



    Now, can we find a foreign posting for Alastair Campbell?
    Our man in Tristan da Cunha?
    Or its subterritory:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inaccessible_Island
    I have been there!

    Fact: it is home to the world's smallest flightless bird.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 23,143

    Nigelb said:

    The GOP is a dangerous set of jokers.

    Rand Paul floats Elon Musk for Speaker

    https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5048431-rand-paul-elon-musk-speaker/
    … The Speaker of the House need not be a member of Congress . . . ,” Paul wrote.
    “Nothing would disrupt the swamp more than electing Elon Musk . . . think about it . . . nothing’s impossible. (not to mention the joy at seeing the collective establishment, aka ‘uniparty,’ lose their ever-lovin’ minds).”
    Later Thursday, Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.) said she would be open to supporting Musk to replace Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.) in a post quoting Paul.
    “I’d be open to supporting @elonmusk for Speaker of the House. DOGE can only truly be accomplished by reigning in Congress to enact real government efficiency,” Greene wrote on X.
    “The establishment needs to be shattered just like it was yesterday. This could be the way,” she added.…

    Congress would be leaner and more efficient if they disposed of anybody, such as MTG, who can't distinguish between 'reining' and 'reigning'.
    What's wrong with what she said? She thinks Trump needs to reign in Congress.
    Nothing if you favour dictatorship over constitutional democracies. It was bang on for that crowd.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,112

    Things allegedly going boom in Murmansk, home of the Russian northern fleet.

    https://x.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1869787923228569737

    So much for being a safe harbour for Russia's bombers.

    The remarkable extension in the range of Ukrainian drones in less than three years was never expected by Putin. Although, given that Ukraine has long been a centre of munitions expertise, perhaps should have been.
    Many of these attacks are actually being carried out by Russians recruited, online, by Ukrainian Intelligence. Quote often for money. The Russians are trying the same thing in Ukraine, and in Europe.
    There were drones over the Kola peninsula earlier in the year. It must be be easier in the December dark.

    https://www.thebarentsobserver.com/security/ukrainian-drones-are-on-the-way-murmansk-again-closes-airspace/166796
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,471

    carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    A fine man.



    Now, can we find a foreign posting for Alastair Campbell?
    Our man in Tristan da Cunha?
    Or its subterritory:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inaccessible_Island
    I have been there!

    Fact: it is home to the world's smallest flightless bird.
    Honestly, polluting PB with 'facts'. Whatever next.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,608
    The story was that he'd been vetoed by Trump. If starmer held firm, then he has risen in my estimation.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,172
    .

    Nigelb said:

    The GOP is a dangerous set of jokers.

    Rand Paul floats Elon Musk for Speaker

    https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5048431-rand-paul-elon-musk-speaker/
    … The Speaker of the House need not be a member of Congress . . . ,” Paul wrote.
    “Nothing would disrupt the swamp more than electing Elon Musk . . . think about it . . . nothing’s impossible. (not to mention the joy at seeing the collective establishment, aka ‘uniparty,’ lose their ever-lovin’ minds).”
    Later Thursday, Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.) said she would be open to supporting Musk to replace Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.) in a post quoting Paul.
    “I’d be open to supporting @elonmusk for Speaker of the House. DOGE can only truly be accomplished by reigning in Congress to enact real government efficiency,” Greene wrote on X.
    “The establishment needs to be shattered just like it was yesterday. This could be the way,” she added.…

    Which theoretically makes Musk second in line to the presidency.

    I am sure SCOTUS will come up with a reason why he would be eligible to be President.
    Doesn’t matter :
    No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President..

    But an obviously manipulated, 78 year old narcissist in office is the next best thing, anyway.
    Following his dinner with Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk last night, Trump posts this on Truth Social this a.m.
    https://x.com/kaitlancollins/status/1869749255059235112
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,835
    edited December 19

    carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    A fine man.



    Now, can we find a foreign posting for Alastair Campbell?
    Our man in Tristan da Cunha?
    Or its subterritory:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inaccessible_Island
    I have been there!

    Fact: it is home to the world's smallest flightless bird.
    Lovely!

    Talking of rails, my only birding claim to fame is having recorded some of the first Water Rail chicks hatched on Lundy. Entirely by chance - they were on the front lawn, running around.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,112

    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Re profiles:

    @TSE and I will discuss.

    And we will then issue an edict.

    Or maybe more than one.

    It may be that there are some rules about moderator infallibility that we slip in there.

    For infallibility to be legitimate you need to be seated on your throne
    Papal throne for preference.
    I hope that neither @TheScreamingEagles or @rcs1000 are the Pope!
    We'd have had worse. Just about.
    Pope Joan?
    Pope Stephen VI had the rotting corpse of his predecessor exhumed, dressed it in papal robes, tried it on trumped up charges, chopped off its blessing fingers, and had it chucked in the Tiber.

    Lacking a Y chromosome is quite mild by comparison. Whether TSE or RCS would do even worse as pope is a moot point - it really isn't for me to judge, and could go either way.
    I would make a terrible Pope, the chastity would either get me in to trouble or turn me in to a psychopath.

    I'd be a great successor to the Borgias.

    The last Englishman who was Pope wasn't great for Ireland either.
    You have a touching confidence that Pope's follow the rules better than other leaders.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,268
    edited December 19
    rcs1000 said:

    The story was that he'd been vetoed by Trump. If starmer held firm, then he has risen in my estimation.
    Starmer talked him round by showing him the “fighter not a quitter” speech.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,709
    Nigelb said:

    .

    Nigelb said:

    The GOP is a dangerous set of jokers.

    Rand Paul floats Elon Musk for Speaker

    https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5048431-rand-paul-elon-musk-speaker/
    … The Speaker of the House need not be a member of Congress . . . ,” Paul wrote.
    “Nothing would disrupt the swamp more than electing Elon Musk . . . think about it . . . nothing’s impossible. (not to mention the joy at seeing the collective establishment, aka ‘uniparty,’ lose their ever-lovin’ minds).”
    Later Thursday, Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.) said she would be open to supporting Musk to replace Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.) in a post quoting Paul.
    “I’d be open to supporting @elonmusk for Speaker of the House. DOGE can only truly be accomplished by reigning in Congress to enact real government efficiency,” Greene wrote on X.
    “The establishment needs to be shattered just like it was yesterday. This could be the way,” she added.…

    Which theoretically makes Musk second in line to the presidency.

    I am sure SCOTUS will come up with a reason why he would be eligible to be President.
    Doesn’t matter :
    No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President..

    But an obviously manipulated, 78 year old narcissist in office is the next best thing, anyway.
    Following his dinner with Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk last night, Trump posts this on Truth Social this a.m.
    https://x.com/kaitlancollins/status/1869749255059235112
    It doesn't say anything about Acting President though, which is the only office somebody who isn't VP can aspire to without an election.

    I think the Presidential Succession Act does include a clause on that, but I'm sure a large enough bribe significant enough emergency would see SCOTUS declare that unconstitutional so Musk could reign in the nation as well as Congress.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,709
    Foxy said:

    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Re profiles:

    @TSE and I will discuss.

    And we will then issue an edict.

    Or maybe more than one.

    It may be that there are some rules about moderator infallibility that we slip in there.

    For infallibility to be legitimate you need to be seated on your throne
    Papal throne for preference.
    I hope that neither @TheScreamingEagles or @rcs1000 are the Pope!
    We'd have had worse. Just about.
    Pope Joan?
    Pope Stephen VI had the rotting corpse of his predecessor exhumed, dressed it in papal robes, tried it on trumped up charges, chopped off its blessing fingers, and had it chucked in the Tiber.

    Lacking a Y chromosome is quite mild by comparison. Whether TSE or RCS would do even worse as pope is a moot point - it really isn't for me to judge, and could go either way.
    I would make a terrible Pope, the chastity would either get me in to trouble or turn me in to a psychopath.

    I'd be a great successor to the Borgias.

    The last Englishman who was Pope wasn't great for Ireland either.
    You have a touching confidence that Pope's follow the rules better than other leaders.
    He's never been fined for dissent, shurely?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,172
    Foxy said:

    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Re profiles:

    @TSE and I will discuss.

    And we will then issue an edict.

    Or maybe more than one.

    It may be that there are some rules about moderator infallibility that we slip in there.

    For infallibility to be legitimate you need to be seated on your throne
    Papal throne for preference.
    I hope that neither @TheScreamingEagles or @rcs1000 are the Pope!
    We'd have had worse. Just about.
    Pope Joan?
    Pope Stephen VI had the rotting corpse of his predecessor exhumed, dressed it in papal robes, tried it on trumped up charges, chopped off its blessing fingers, and had it chucked in the Tiber.

    Lacking a Y chromosome is quite mild by comparison. Whether TSE or RCS would do even worse as pope is a moot point - it really isn't for me to judge, and could go either way.
    I would make a terrible Pope, the chastity would either get me in to trouble or turn me in to a psychopath.

    I'd be a great successor to the Borgias.

    The last Englishman who was Pope wasn't great for Ireland either.
    You have a touching confidence that Pope's follow the rules better than other leaders.
    Pope’s ?
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,521

    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Re profiles:

    @TSE and I will discuss.

    And we will then issue an edict.

    Or maybe more than one.

    It may be that there are some rules about moderator infallibility that we slip in there.

    For infallibility to be legitimate you need to be seated on your throne
    Papal throne for preference.
    I hope that neither @TheScreamingEagles or @rcs1000 are the Pope!
    We'd have had worse. Just about.
    Pope Joan?
    Pope Stephen VI had the rotting corpse of his predecessor exhumed, dressed it in papal robes, tried it on trumped up charges, chopped off its blessing fingers, and had it chucked in the Tiber.

    Lacking a Y chromosome is quite mild by comparison. Whether TSE or RCS would do even worse as pope is a moot point - it really isn't for me to judge, and could go either way.
    I would make a terrible Pope, the chastity would either get me in to trouble or turn me in to a psychopath.

    I'd be a great successor to the Borgias.

    The last Englishman who was Pope wasn't great for Ireland either.
    There are many eras in which you would have made a fine Pope.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,112
    Nigelb said:

    Foxy said:

    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Re profiles:

    @TSE and I will discuss.

    And we will then issue an edict.

    Or maybe more than one.

    It may be that there are some rules about moderator infallibility that we slip in there.

    For infallibility to be legitimate you need to be seated on your throne
    Papal throne for preference.
    I hope that neither @TheScreamingEagles or @rcs1000 are the Pope!
    We'd have had worse. Just about.
    Pope Joan?
    Pope Stephen VI had the rotting corpse of his predecessor exhumed, dressed it in papal robes, tried it on trumped up charges, chopped off its blessing fingers, and had it chucked in the Tiber.

    Lacking a Y chromosome is quite mild by comparison. Whether TSE or RCS would do even worse as pope is a moot point - it really isn't for me to judge, and could go either way.
    I would make a terrible Pope, the chastity would either get me in to trouble or turn me in to a psychopath.

    I'd be a great successor to the Borgias.

    The last Englishman who was Pope wasn't great for Ireland either.
    You have a touching confidence that Pope's follow the rules better than other leaders.
    Pope’s ?
    It's a fair cop. I am a greengrocer not a physician.
  • Nigelb said:

    The GOP is a dangerous set of jokers.

    Rand Paul floats Elon Musk for Speaker

    https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5048431-rand-paul-elon-musk-speaker/
    … The Speaker of the House need not be a member of Congress . . . ,” Paul wrote.
    “Nothing would disrupt the swamp more than electing Elon Musk . . . think about it . . . nothing’s impossible. (not to mention the joy at seeing the collective establishment, aka ‘uniparty,’ lose their ever-lovin’ minds).”
    Later Thursday, Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.) said she would be open to supporting Musk to replace Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.) in a post quoting Paul.
    “I’d be open to supporting @elonmusk for Speaker of the House. DOGE can only truly be accomplished by reigning in Congress to enact real government efficiency,” Greene wrote on X.
    “The establishment needs to be shattered just like it was yesterday. This could be the way,” she added.…

    Why on Earth would Musk want the hassle?

    Just think how much it would cut into his social media posting time.
  • It is time to get Alastair Campbell back.
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,316

    Things allegedly going boom in Murmansk, home of the Russian northern fleet.

    https://x.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1869787923228569737

    So much for being a safe harbour for Russia's bombers.

    The remarkable extension in the range of Ukrainian drones in less than three years was never expected by Putin. Although, given that Ukraine has long been a centre of munitions expertise, perhaps should have been.
    The guy thought he'd be in Kviv in 48 hours. He hasn't a clue. Probably because he has created a state where everyone lies all the time.
    Nothing new. When Teddy Roosevelt hosted the 1905 Portsmouth (NH) peace conference after the Russo-Japanese War (in which the former were every bit as hapless as they have been in Ukraine) he was confounded by the Russian habit of brazen mendacity. But it worked. The honourable Japanese had won the war hands down but were outwitted at the conference and emerged with a score draw at best.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,578
    ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    .

    Nigelb said:

    The GOP is a dangerous set of jokers.

    Rand Paul floats Elon Musk for Speaker

    https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5048431-rand-paul-elon-musk-speaker/
    … The Speaker of the House need not be a member of Congress . . . ,” Paul wrote.
    “Nothing would disrupt the swamp more than electing Elon Musk . . . think about it . . . nothing’s impossible. (not to mention the joy at seeing the collective establishment, aka ‘uniparty,’ lose their ever-lovin’ minds).”
    Later Thursday, Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.) said she would be open to supporting Musk to replace Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.) in a post quoting Paul.
    “I’d be open to supporting @elonmusk for Speaker of the House. DOGE can only truly be accomplished by reigning in Congress to enact real government efficiency,” Greene wrote on X.
    “The establishment needs to be shattered just like it was yesterday. This could be the way,” she added.…

    Which theoretically makes Musk second in line to the presidency.

    I am sure SCOTUS will come up with a reason why he would be eligible to be President.
    Doesn’t matter :
    No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President..

    But an obviously manipulated, 78 year old narcissist in office is the next best thing, anyway.
    Following his dinner with Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk last night, Trump posts this on Truth Social this a.m.
    https://x.com/kaitlancollins/status/1869749255059235112
    It doesn't say anything about Acting President though, which is the only office somebody who isn't VP can aspire to without an election.

    I think the Presidential Succession Act does include a clause on that, but I'm sure a large enough bribe significant enough emergency would see SCOTUS declare that unconstitutional so Musk could reign in the nation as well as Congress.
    Why to manage that you'd need justices who are apparently ok with accepting massive 'gifts' from billionaire friends, object to any idea of the court's behaviour being reined in, and think Presidents are immune from criminal prosecution. Just doesn't seem likely.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,934
    carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    A fine man.



    Now, can we find a foreign posting for Alastair Campbell?
    Our man in Tristan da Cunha?
    Or its subterritory:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inaccessible_Island
    I have been there!

    Fact: it is home to the world's smallest flightless bird.
    Lovely!

    Talking of rails, my only birding claim to fame is having recorded some of the first Water Rail chicks hatched on Lundy. Entirely by chance - they were on the front lawn, running around.
    Great stuff. The Inaccessible Island Rail looks like a fur-ball coughed up by a cat, with a long bill...
  • Fundamentally Labour has a PR problem. Get Alastair Campbell in before it is too late.
  • Peter Mandelson is a very strong appointment in my view. Possibly the best call Sir Keir has made.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,515
    edited December 19

    Peter Mandelson is a very strong appointment in my view. Possibly the best call Sir Keir has made.

    Does it matter
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,826
    Much as I dislike Mandleson as a person.... I think this is probably an astute appointment. I assume he can't arrange any passports in his new job?
  • Fundamentally Labour has a PR problem. Get Alastair Campbell in before it is too late.

    Right diagnosis, wrong answer. Even before Iraq, Ali C was too much of the story too often.

    But yeah- Starmer's "do not tell" is admirable government but terrible politics. Someone on his side needs to fill the vacuum.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,970

    Omnium said:

    Baffling that Leon should be the one who worries about being identified.

    We all know he's Sean Trellis, works for the Oldie, lives in Camden above a disused sex-shop. 47e Artillery Terrace. If he's not at home then his local is the Edinboro Castle. And his barber is the one with the newly acquired Ferrari.

    To be fair to Leon, the fear of having one's reputation (or career in local politics) ruined by a determined campaigner digging through old posts is not entirely unjustified. Imagine if Leon is up for Flintknapper of the Year and a rival digs up his holiday snaps showing more half-empty glasses than faux phalluses: instant disqualification! And jigsaw identification of other pseudonymous posters might easily be possible.
    I'm away and haven't followed any of this but for one of the worst muck spreaders on here to want privacy just about takes the biscuit. if anyone doesn't want their opinions on white babies or similar published to a wider audience maybe they could moderate their posts. Or discuss them on Stormfront with like minded posters
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,826

    Fundamentally Labour has a PR problem. Get Alastair Campbell in before it is too late.

    He looked dreadful doing his walk on tv.. would he be up to the task?
  • The Rest is Entertainment slams Culture Secretary Lisa Nandy
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHGFmj3BlN0&t=1852s
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,805
    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    Foxy said:

    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Re profiles:

    @TSE and I will discuss.

    And we will then issue an edict.

    Or maybe more than one.

    It may be that there are some rules about moderator infallibility that we slip in there.

    For infallibility to be legitimate you need to be seated on your throne
    Papal throne for preference.
    I hope that neither @TheScreamingEagles or @rcs1000 are the Pope!
    We'd have had worse. Just about.
    Pope Joan?
    Pope Stephen VI had the rotting corpse of his predecessor exhumed, dressed it in papal robes, tried it on trumped up charges, chopped off its blessing fingers, and had it chucked in the Tiber.

    Lacking a Y chromosome is quite mild by comparison. Whether TSE or RCS would do even worse as pope is a moot point - it really isn't for me to judge, and could go either way.
    I would make a terrible Pope, the chastity would either get me in to trouble or turn me in to a psychopath.

    I'd be a great successor to the Borgias.

    The last Englishman who was Pope wasn't great for Ireland either.
    You have a touching confidence that Pope's follow the rules better than other leaders.
    Pope’s ?
    It's a fair cop. I am a greengrocer not a physician.
    Disappointing: "Its a fair cop", shirley?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,945

    The Rest is Entertainment slams Culture Secretary Lisa Nandy
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHGFmj3BlN0&t=1852s

    Funny how they're called podcasts when hardly anyone uses an iPod, (apart from me).
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,112

    Peter Mandelson is a very strong appointment in my view. Possibly the best call Sir Keir has made.

    I think better to keep Mandleson closer to home. Like him or loathe him, he is a master of political operations. Starmer needs him closer than Washington DC.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,835

    Fundamentally Labour has a PR problem. Get Alastair Campbell in before it is too late.

    Right diagnosis, wrong answer. Even before Iraq, Ali C was too much of the story too often.

    But yeah- Starmer's "do not tell" is admirable government but terrible politics. Someone on his side needs to fill the vacuum.
    Campbell was the first to know what to do with 24 hour news and how it changed government. Will there ever be a comms person who fully comes to terms in the same way with the internet?
  • Meanwhile, in "turned out nice again" news, there have been a couple of UK records for wind generated power in the last week or so- about 22.5 MW, so about half our teatime peak demand, and close to out nightwatch minimum.

    Has something new been connected to the grid? It hasn't felt that blowy out there.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,112
    Roger said:

    Omnium said:

    Baffling that Leon should be the one who worries about being identified.

    We all know he's Sean Trellis, works for the Oldie, lives in Camden above a disused sex-shop. 47e Artillery Terrace. If he's not at home then his local is the Edinboro Castle. And his barber is the one with the newly acquired Ferrari.

    To be fair to Leon, the fear of having one's reputation (or career in local politics) ruined by a determined campaigner digging through old posts is not entirely unjustified. Imagine if Leon is up for Flintknapper of the Year and a rival digs up his holiday snaps showing more half-empty glasses than faux phalluses: instant disqualification! And jigsaw identification of other pseudonymous posters might easily be possible.
    I'm away and haven't followed any of this but for one of the worst muck spreaders on here to want privacy just about takes the biscuit. if anyone doesn't want their opinions on white babies or similar published to a wider audience maybe they could moderate their posts. Or discuss them on Stormfront with like minded posters
    Nah, even @Leon shouldn't be doxxed.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 28,394
    edited December 19
    White House aides hid Biden’s apparent mental decline from Day 1 of his presidency, explosive report reveals
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/white-house-aides-hid-biden-s-apparent-mental-decline-from-day-1-of-his-presidency-explosive-report-reveals/ar-AA1wb0fN?ocid=BingNewsVerp

    How the White House Functioned With a Diminished Biden in Charge
    https://www.wsj.com/politics/biden-white-house-age-function-diminished-3906a839?mod=hp_lead_pos9 (£££)

    The terrifying scandal is that Biden was NEVER president. The full truth about the cover-up, Bad Doctor Jill and all the enemies within must be exposed
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14211289/Joe-Biden-health-Jill-exposed-MAUREEN-CALLAHAN.html
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,835
    Andy_JS said:

    The Rest is Entertainment slams Culture Secretary Lisa Nandy
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHGFmj3BlN0&t=1852s

    Funny how they're called podcasts when hardly anyone uses an iPod, (apart from me).
    Microsoft were grumpy about it, and wanted "blogcast".
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,682
    Foxy said:

    Roger said:

    Omnium said:

    Baffling that Leon should be the one who worries about being identified.

    We all know he's Sean Trellis, works for the Oldie, lives in Camden above a disused sex-shop. 47e Artillery Terrace. If he's not at home then his local is the Edinboro Castle. And his barber is the one with the newly acquired Ferrari.

    To be fair to Leon, the fear of having one's reputation (or career in local politics) ruined by a determined campaigner digging through old posts is not entirely unjustified. Imagine if Leon is up for Flintknapper of the Year and a rival digs up his holiday snaps showing more half-empty glasses than faux phalluses: instant disqualification! And jigsaw identification of other pseudonymous posters might easily be possible.
    I'm away and haven't followed any of this but for one of the worst muck spreaders on here to want privacy just about takes the biscuit. if anyone doesn't want their opinions on white babies or similar published to a wider audience maybe they could moderate their posts. Or discuss them on Stormfront with like minded posters
    Nah, even @Leon shouldn't be doxxed.
    While I agree with this, it’s not exactly that well hidden. Photos of obscure locations posted by Leon and a random chap on X. No relation, I’m sure, your honour.
  • Meanwhile, in "turned out nice again" news, there have been a couple of UK records for wind generated power in the last week or so- about 22.5 MW, so about half our teatime peak demand, and close to out nightwatch minimum.

    Has something new been connected to the grid? It hasn't felt that blowy out there.

    Last night was gusty judging by the number of bins blown all over the road, even if the forecasters missed it.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,709

    Meanwhile, in "turned out nice again" news, there have been a couple of UK records for wind generated power in the last week or so- about 22.5 MW, so about half our teatime peak demand, and close to out nightwatch minimum.

    Has something new been connected to the grid? It hasn't felt that blowy out there.

    It's been extremely blowy here in the Midlands. In fact, one tree in a tub I've had has been blown over twice in the last 48 hours, having endured Storm Darragh without a murmur.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,987
    carnforth said:

    Andy_JS said:

    The Rest is Entertainment slams Culture Secretary Lisa Nandy
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHGFmj3BlN0&t=1852s

    Funny how they're called podcasts when hardly anyone uses an iPod, (apart from me).
    Microsoft were grumpy about it, and wanted "blogcast".
    However 'vlog' is one of the ugliest words in modern English.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,987

    Meanwhile, in "turned out nice again" news, there have been a couple of UK records for wind generated power in the last week or so- about 22.5 MW, so about half our teatime peak demand, and close to out nightwatch minimum.

    Has something new been connected to the grid? It hasn't felt that blowy out there.

    It's been pretty windy where I am. And due to be 50-60-70 mph winds over the weekend.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,805
    Nigelb said:

    The GOP is a dangerous set of jokers.

    Rand Paul floats Elon Musk for Speaker

    https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5048431-rand-paul-elon-musk-speaker/
    … The Speaker of the House need not be a member of Congress . . . ,” Paul wrote.
    “Nothing would disrupt the swamp more than electing Elon Musk . . . think about it . . . nothing’s impossible. (not to mention the joy at seeing the collective establishment, aka ‘uniparty,’ lose their ever-lovin’ minds).”
    Later Thursday, Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.) said she would be open to supporting Musk to replace Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.) in a post quoting Paul.
    “I’d be open to supporting @elonmusk for Speaker of the House. DOGE can only truly be accomplished by reigning in Congress to enact real government efficiency,” Greene wrote on X.
    “The establishment needs to be shattered just like it was yesterday. This could be the way,” she added.…

    Loving the irony of Rand Paul (three term U.S. senator, former presidential candidate, son of three-time presidential candidate and 12-term U.S. representative Ron Paul) refers to Washington as 'the swamp'.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,987
    Foxy said:

    Peter Mandelson is a very strong appointment in my view. Possibly the best call Sir Keir has made.

    I think better to keep Mandleson closer to home. Like him or loathe him, he is a master of political operations. Starmer needs him closer than Washington DC.
    Maybe he could keep him on a yacht in the Solent? I hear there are some Russian ones going to waste - and he is familiar with the layouts.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,987

    Nigelb said:

    The GOP is a dangerous set of jokers.

    Rand Paul floats Elon Musk for Speaker

    https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5048431-rand-paul-elon-musk-speaker/
    … The Speaker of the House need not be a member of Congress . . . ,” Paul wrote.
    “Nothing would disrupt the swamp more than electing Elon Musk . . . think about it . . . nothing’s impossible. (not to mention the joy at seeing the collective establishment, aka ‘uniparty,’ lose their ever-lovin’ minds).”
    Later Thursday, Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.) said she would be open to supporting Musk to replace Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.) in a post quoting Paul.
    “I’d be open to supporting @elonmusk for Speaker of the House. DOGE can only truly be accomplished by reigning in Congress to enact real government efficiency,” Greene wrote on X.
    “The establishment needs to be shattered just like it was yesterday. This could be the way,” she added.…

    Why on Earth would Musk want the hassle?

    Just think how much it would cut into his social media posting time.
    Are there explicit rules in the constitution barring him from slouching over the chair, scrolling through the dregs of twitter, and puffing on a joint?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,805
    edited December 19
    Foxy said:

    Roger said:

    Omnium said:

    Baffling that Leon should be the one who worries about being identified.

    We all know he's Sean Trellis, works for the Oldie, lives in Camden above a disused sex-shop. 47e Artillery Terrace. If he's not at home then his local is the Edinboro Castle. And his barber is the one with the newly acquired Ferrari.

    To be fair to Leon, the fear of having one's reputation (or career in local politics) ruined by a determined campaigner digging through old posts is not entirely unjustified. Imagine if Leon is up for Flintknapper of the Year and a rival digs up his holiday snaps showing more half-empty glasses than faux phalluses: instant disqualification! And jigsaw identification of other pseudonymous posters might easily be possible.
    I'm away and haven't followed any of this but for one of the worst muck spreaders on here to want privacy just about takes the biscuit. if anyone doesn't want their opinions on white babies or similar published to a wider audience maybe they could moderate their posts. Or discuss them on Stormfront with like minded posters
    Nah, even @Leon shouldn't be doxxed.
    He's his own biggest doxxer though.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,112

    Foxy said:

    Roger said:

    Omnium said:

    Baffling that Leon should be the one who worries about being identified.

    We all know he's Sean Trellis, works for the Oldie, lives in Camden above a disused sex-shop. 47e Artillery Terrace. If he's not at home then his local is the Edinboro Castle. And his barber is the one with the newly acquired Ferrari.

    To be fair to Leon, the fear of having one's reputation (or career in local politics) ruined by a determined campaigner digging through old posts is not entirely unjustified. Imagine if Leon is up for Flintknapper of the Year and a rival digs up his holiday snaps showing more half-empty glasses than faux phalluses: instant disqualification! And jigsaw identification of other pseudonymous posters might easily be possible.
    I'm away and haven't followed any of this but for one of the worst muck spreaders on here to want privacy just about takes the biscuit. if anyone doesn't want their opinions on white babies or similar published to a wider audience maybe they could moderate their posts. Or discuss them on Stormfront with like minded posters
    Nah, even @Leon shouldn't be doxxed.
    He his own biggest doxxer though.
    That's up to him.
  • glwglw Posts: 9,954

    Nigelb said:

    The GOP is a dangerous set of jokers.

    Rand Paul floats Elon Musk for Speaker

    https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5048431-rand-paul-elon-musk-speaker/
    … The Speaker of the House need not be a member of Congress . . . ,” Paul wrote.
    “Nothing would disrupt the swamp more than electing Elon Musk . . . think about it . . . nothing’s impossible. (not to mention the joy at seeing the collective establishment, aka ‘uniparty,’ lose their ever-lovin’ minds).”
    Later Thursday, Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.) said she would be open to supporting Musk to replace Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.) in a post quoting Paul.
    “I’d be open to supporting @elonmusk for Speaker of the House. DOGE can only truly be accomplished by reigning in Congress to enact real government efficiency,” Greene wrote on X.
    “The establishment needs to be shattered just like it was yesterday. This could be the way,” she added.…

    Why on Earth would Musk want the hassle?

    Just think how much it would cut into his social media posting time.
    Isn't he also something like one of the top Diablo 4 players in the world?

    Running all those companies, posting on Twitter throughout the day, playing computer games excessively, and now running the US government, how does he do it? Does he even sleep?
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,352

    Fundamentally Labour has a PR problem. Get Alastair Campbell in before it is too late.

    Yes. I think Labour are being destroyed far more than they expected to be this quickly by a seriously effective opposition. By which I mean something rather more amorphous than the Conservative party, but by cross echoes from Twitter / US, the traditional media, Reform, Russian bots, commentators and the like. The traditional PCP is probably fourth or fifth on the list.

    It is in opposition where you see how utterly ruthless the right is, from siding with fascists on Two Tier Keir, to the take down of Rachel's fairly normally timed budget and niggling at business confidence in the run up. I mean pretty much everyone on here must know the whole Rachel from Accounts thing is horseshit on stilts*, yet people are parroting it anyway.

    Labour's PR has not moved from opposition
    mode, which they were very good at, to government mode and they do need to do so quickly in a serious way. And it is full scale wartime PR that is needed, rebuttal, counter misinformation, the works. It was said the Finns had worked out how to handle misinformation, but I've not heard much on that lately. In any case, I wonder if they need a full on military style party PR function of the type Zelensky has.

    * the standing up of a new, large complaints team suggests it was to do with one of the misselling scandals, mid 00s PIP was well underway so endowment mortgages springs to mind as something that was going on there. Likely something whose handling was likely to have substantial bearing on the overall bottom line of the bank, perhaps some in the bank already knew it was existential. And understanding of the economics of stock markets within that team would have been relevant, alongside legal, to how things were going to be settled. There is a theme - this tends to hit female politicians, and how females backstab each other tends to be different from how males do it - the doing down of Rachel feels to me like the work of another woman. (the same could be said of Louise Haigh, though she was probably more bang to rights)
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,945
    Foxy said:

    Roger said:

    Omnium said:

    Baffling that Leon should be the one who worries about being identified.

    We all know he's Sean Trellis, works for the Oldie, lives in Camden above a disused sex-shop. 47e Artillery Terrace. If he's not at home then his local is the Edinboro Castle. And his barber is the one with the newly acquired Ferrari.

    To be fair to Leon, the fear of having one's reputation (or career in local politics) ruined by a determined campaigner digging through old posts is not entirely unjustified. Imagine if Leon is up for Flintknapper of the Year and a rival digs up his holiday snaps showing more half-empty glasses than faux phalluses: instant disqualification! And jigsaw identification of other pseudonymous posters might easily be possible.
    I'm away and haven't followed any of this but for one of the worst muck spreaders on here to want privacy just about takes the biscuit. if anyone doesn't want their opinions on white babies or similar published to a wider audience maybe they could moderate their posts. Or discuss them on Stormfront with like minded posters
    Nah, even @Leon shouldn't be doxxed.
    I've always thought anonymous comments on the internet are a bad idea.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,805
    edited December 19
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Roger said:

    Omnium said:

    Baffling that Leon should be the one who worries about being identified.

    We all know he's Sean Trellis, works for the Oldie, lives in Camden above a disused sex-shop. 47e Artillery Terrace. If he's not at home then his local is the Edinboro Castle. And his barber is the one with the newly acquired Ferrari.

    To be fair to Leon, the fear of having one's reputation (or career in local politics) ruined by a determined campaigner digging through old posts is not entirely unjustified. Imagine if Leon is up for Flintknapper of the Year and a rival digs up his holiday snaps showing more half-empty glasses than faux phalluses: instant disqualification! And jigsaw identification of other pseudonymous posters might easily be possible.
    I'm away and haven't followed any of this but for one of the worst muck spreaders on here to want privacy just about takes the biscuit. if anyone doesn't want their opinions on white babies or similar published to a wider audience maybe they could moderate their posts. Or discuss them on Stormfront with like minded posters
    Nah, even @Leon shouldn't be doxxed.
    He his own biggest doxxer though.
    That's up to him.
    True but once you've doxxed yourself you can't expect others to pretend you aren't who you clearly are.

    "I'm the Prince of Wales but I expect the rest of you to rigorously pretend I am not."
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,030

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Roger said:

    Omnium said:

    Baffling that Leon should be the one who worries about being identified.

    We all know he's Sean Trellis, works for the Oldie, lives in Camden above a disused sex-shop. 47e Artillery Terrace. If he's not at home then his local is the Edinboro Castle. And his barber is the one with the newly acquired Ferrari.

    To be fair to Leon, the fear of having one's reputation (or career in local politics) ruined by a determined campaigner digging through old posts is not entirely unjustified. Imagine if Leon is up for Flintknapper of the Year and a rival digs up his holiday snaps showing more half-empty glasses than faux phalluses: instant disqualification! And jigsaw identification of other pseudonymous posters might easily be possible.
    I'm away and haven't followed any of this but for one of the worst muck spreaders on here to want privacy just about takes the biscuit. if anyone doesn't want their opinions on white babies or similar published to a wider audience maybe they could moderate their posts. Or discuss them on Stormfront with like minded posters
    Nah, even @Leon shouldn't be doxxed.
    He his own biggest doxxer though.
    That's up to him.
    True but once you've doxxed yourself you can't expect others to pretend you aren't who you clearly are.

    "I'm the Prince of Wales but I expect the rest of you to rigorously pretend I am not."
    I disagree, and he has complained often about people trying to dox him. There are some users who have changed their handle in the past, and we don't go on about who they are because they clearly don't want to be named.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,987
    edited December 19
    Pro_Rata said:

    Fundamentally Labour has a PR problem. Get Alastair Campbell in before it is too late.

    Yes. I think Labour are being destroyed far more than they expected to be this quickly by a seriously effective opposition. By which I mean something rather more amorphous than the Conservative party, but by cross echoes from Twitter / US, the traditional media, Reform, Russian bots, commentators and the like. The traditional PCP is probably fourth or fifth on the list.

    It is in opposition where you see how utterly ruthless the right is, from siding with fascists on Two Tier Keir, to the take down of Rachel's fairly normally timed budget and niggling at business confidence in the run up. I mean pretty much everyone on here must know the whole Rachel from Accounts thing is horseshit on stilts*, yet people are parroting it anyway.

    Labour's PR has not moved from opposition
    mode, which they were very good at, to government mode and they do need to do so quickly in a serious way. And it is full scale wartime PR that is needed, rebuttal, counter misinformation, the works. It was said the Finns had worked out how to handle misinformation, but I've not heard much on that lately. In any case, I wonder if they need a full on military style party PR function of the type Zelensky has.

    * the standing up of a new, large complaints team suggests it was to do with one of the misselling scandals, mid 00s PIP was well underway so endowment mortgages springs to mind as something that was going on there. Likely something whose handling was likely to have substantial bearing on the overall bottom line of the bank, perhaps some in the bank already knew it was existential. And understanding of the economics of stock markets within that team would have been relevant, alongside legal, to how things were going to be settled. There is a theme - this tends to hit female politicians, and how females backstab each other tends to be different from how males do it - the doing down of Rachel feels to me like the work of another woman. (the same could be said of Louise Haigh, though she was probably more bang to rights)
    The favourite of the 'alt-right-curious' on social media - DiscloseTV - have been running near constant anti-Starmer stories.

    I'm really amazed at their reach and yet they almost never feature on the 'sources of disinformation' lists I sometimes see. They're massive on the likes of Discord/4-chan/etc.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,112
    Andy_JS said:

    Foxy said:

    Roger said:

    Omnium said:

    Baffling that Leon should be the one who worries about being identified.

    We all know he's Sean Trellis, works for the Oldie, lives in Camden above a disused sex-shop. 47e Artillery Terrace. If he's not at home then his local is the Edinboro Castle. And his barber is the one with the newly acquired Ferrari.

    To be fair to Leon, the fear of having one's reputation (or career in local politics) ruined by a determined campaigner digging through old posts is not entirely unjustified. Imagine if Leon is up for Flintknapper of the Year and a rival digs up his holiday snaps showing more half-empty glasses than faux phalluses: instant disqualification! And jigsaw identification of other pseudonymous posters might easily be possible.
    I'm away and haven't followed any of this but for one of the worst muck spreaders on here to want privacy just about takes the biscuit. if anyone doesn't want their opinions on white babies or similar published to a wider audience maybe they could moderate their posts. Or discuss them on Stormfront with like minded posters
    Nah, even @Leon shouldn't be doxxed.
    I've always thought anonymous comments on the internet are a bad idea.
    Why?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,945
    edited December 19
    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Foxy said:

    Roger said:

    Omnium said:

    Baffling that Leon should be the one who worries about being identified.

    We all know he's Sean Trellis, works for the Oldie, lives in Camden above a disused sex-shop. 47e Artillery Terrace. If he's not at home then his local is the Edinboro Castle. And his barber is the one with the newly acquired Ferrari.

    To be fair to Leon, the fear of having one's reputation (or career in local politics) ruined by a determined campaigner digging through old posts is not entirely unjustified. Imagine if Leon is up for Flintknapper of the Year and a rival digs up his holiday snaps showing more half-empty glasses than faux phalluses: instant disqualification! And jigsaw identification of other pseudonymous posters might easily be possible.
    I'm away and haven't followed any of this but for one of the worst muck spreaders on here to want privacy just about takes the biscuit. if anyone doesn't want their opinions on white babies or similar published to a wider audience maybe they could moderate their posts. Or discuss them on Stormfront with like minded posters
    Nah, even @Leon shouldn't be doxxed.
    I've always thought anonymous comments on the internet are a bad idea.
    Why?
    Just don't see the point of it. Most letters published in newspapers used to include the writers' name. Only occasionally would it be withheld.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,330

    carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    A fine man.



    Now, can we find a foreign posting for Alastair Campbell?
    Our man in Tristan da Cunha?
    Or its subterritory:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inaccessible_Island
    I have been there!

    Fact: it is home to the world's smallest flightless bird.
    Jammy sod.
  • Andy_JS said:

    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Foxy said:

    Roger said:

    Omnium said:

    Baffling that Leon should be the one who worries about being identified.

    We all know he's Sean Trellis, works for the Oldie, lives in Camden above a disused sex-shop. 47e Artillery Terrace. If he's not at home then his local is the Edinboro Castle. And his barber is the one with the newly acquired Ferrari.

    To be fair to Leon, the fear of having one's reputation (or career in local politics) ruined by a determined campaigner digging through old posts is not entirely unjustified. Imagine if Leon is up for Flintknapper of the Year and a rival digs up his holiday snaps showing more half-empty glasses than faux phalluses: instant disqualification! And jigsaw identification of other pseudonymous posters might easily be possible.
    I'm away and haven't followed any of this but for one of the worst muck spreaders on here to want privacy just about takes the biscuit. if anyone doesn't want their opinions on white babies or similar published to a wider audience maybe they could moderate their posts. Or discuss them on Stormfront with like minded posters
    Nah, even @Leon shouldn't be doxxed.
    I've always thought anonymous comments on the internet are a bad idea.
    Why?
    Just don't see the point of it. Most letters published in newspapers used to include the writers' name. Only occasionally would it be withheld.
    This horse doesn’t want to be identified. Even though I am the first computer using horse.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,330
    Nigelb said:

    Foxy said:

    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Re profiles:

    @TSE and I will discuss.

    And we will then issue an edict.

    Or maybe more than one.

    It may be that there are some rules about moderator infallibility that we slip in there.

    For infallibility to be legitimate you need to be seated on your throne
    Papal throne for preference.
    I hope that neither @TheScreamingEagles or @rcs1000 are the Pope!
    We'd have had worse. Just about.
    Pope Joan?
    Pope Stephen VI had the rotting corpse of his predecessor exhumed, dressed it in papal robes, tried it on trumped up charges, chopped off its blessing fingers, and had it chucked in the Tiber.

    Lacking a Y chromosome is quite mild by comparison. Whether TSE or RCS would do even worse as pope is a moot point - it really isn't for me to judge, and could go either way.
    I would make a terrible Pope, the chastity would either get me in to trouble or turn me in to a psychopath.

    I'd be a great successor to the Borgias.

    The last Englishman who was Pope wasn't great for Ireland either.
    You have a touching confidence that Pope's follow the rules better than other leaders.
    Pope’s ?
    Eldridge. The beer. Commendable sense of priorities.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,330

    Andy_JS said:

    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Foxy said:

    Roger said:

    Omnium said:

    Baffling that Leon should be the one who worries about being identified.

    We all know he's Sean Trellis, works for the Oldie, lives in Camden above a disused sex-shop. 47e Artillery Terrace. If he's not at home then his local is the Edinboro Castle. And his barber is the one with the newly acquired Ferrari.

    To be fair to Leon, the fear of having one's reputation (or career in local politics) ruined by a determined campaigner digging through old posts is not entirely unjustified. Imagine if Leon is up for Flintknapper of the Year and a rival digs up his holiday snaps showing more half-empty glasses than faux phalluses: instant disqualification! And jigsaw identification of other pseudonymous posters might easily be possible.
    I'm away and haven't followed any of this but for one of the worst muck spreaders on here to want privacy just about takes the biscuit. if anyone doesn't want their opinions on white babies or similar published to a wider audience maybe they could moderate their posts. Or discuss them on Stormfront with like minded posters
    Nah, even @Leon shouldn't be doxxed.
    I've always thought anonymous comments on the internet are a bad idea.
    Why?
    Just don't see the point of it. Most letters published in newspapers used to include the writers' name. Only occasionally would it be withheld.
    This horse doesn’t want to be identified. Even though I am the first computer using horse.
    If we're talking Turing tests, surely Clever Hans scores. He didn't need a hand calculator let alone a PC to do his sums.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,496
    OK, who's slept with the most nurses?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,330
    edited December 19
    Andy_JS said:

    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Foxy said:

    Roger said:

    Omnium said:

    Baffling that Leon should be the one who worries about being identified.

    We all know he's Sean Trellis, works for the Oldie, lives in Camden above a disused sex-shop. 47e Artillery Terrace. If he's not at home then his local is the Edinboro Castle. And his barber is the one with the newly acquired Ferrari.

    To be fair to Leon, the fear of having one's reputation (or career in local politics) ruined by a determined campaigner digging through old posts is not entirely unjustified. Imagine if Leon is up for Flintknapper of the Year and a rival digs up his holiday snaps showing more half-empty glasses than faux phalluses: instant disqualification! And jigsaw identification of other pseudonymous posters might easily be possible.
    I'm away and haven't followed any of this but for one of the worst muck spreaders on here to want privacy just about takes the biscuit. if anyone doesn't want their opinions on white babies or similar published to a wider audience maybe they could moderate their posts. Or discuss them on Stormfront with like minded posters
    Nah, even @Leon shouldn't be doxxed.
    I've always thought anonymous comments on the internet are a bad idea.
    Why?
    Just don't see the point of it. Most letters published in newspapers used to include the writers' name. Only occasionally would it be withheld.
    If you go further back, most of them didn't have the writer's name. IN fact a lot of articles in magazines didn't, either. Complete pain for the historian. But the theory was that the reader had to take the piece on its merits rather than ignore them once they spotted Leon or Carnyx or whatever on the top. I must admit there's some merit to that. Randomise user names?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,030
    Andy_JS said:

    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Foxy said:

    Roger said:

    Omnium said:

    Baffling that Leon should be the one who worries about being identified.

    We all know he's Sean Trellis, works for the Oldie, lives in Camden above a disused sex-shop. 47e Artillery Terrace. If he's not at home then his local is the Edinboro Castle. And his barber is the one with the newly acquired Ferrari.

    To be fair to Leon, the fear of having one's reputation (or career in local politics) ruined by a determined campaigner digging through old posts is not entirely unjustified. Imagine if Leon is up for Flintknapper of the Year and a rival digs up his holiday snaps showing more half-empty glasses than faux phalluses: instant disqualification! And jigsaw identification of other pseudonymous posters might easily be possible.
    I'm away and haven't followed any of this but for one of the worst muck spreaders on here to want privacy just about takes the biscuit. if anyone doesn't want their opinions on white babies or similar published to a wider audience maybe they could moderate their posts. Or discuss them on Stormfront with like minded posters
    Nah, even @Leon shouldn't be doxxed.
    I've always thought anonymous comments on the internet are a bad idea.
    Why?
    Just don't see the point of it. Most letters published in newspapers used to include the writers' name. Only occasionally would it be withheld.
    Part of our constitution is an anonymous letter to the Times, it's tradition!
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,578
    Leon said:

    OK, who's slept with the most nurses?

    I was only at the hospital today for 3 hours, that limits opportunity.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,990
    Foxy said:

    Roger said:

    Omnium said:

    Baffling that Leon should be the one who worries about being identified.

    We all know he's Sean Trellis, works for the Oldie, lives in Camden above a disused sex-shop. 47e Artillery Terrace. If he's not at home then his local is the Edinboro Castle. And his barber is the one with the newly acquired Ferrari.

    To be fair to Leon, the fear of having one's reputation (or career in local politics) ruined by a determined campaigner digging through old posts is not entirely unjustified. Imagine if Leon is up for Flintknapper of the Year and a rival digs up his holiday snaps showing more half-empty glasses than faux phalluses: instant disqualification! And jigsaw identification of other pseudonymous posters might easily be possible.
    I'm away and haven't followed any of this but for one of the worst muck spreaders on here to want privacy just about takes the biscuit. if anyone doesn't want their opinions on white babies or similar published to a wider audience maybe they could moderate their posts. Or discuss them on Stormfront with like minded posters
    Nah, even @Leon shouldn't be doxxed.
    Should we doxx you for your views on polanksi and child sodomy roger?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,112
    edited December 19
    Andy_JS said:

    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Foxy said:

    Roger said:

    Omnium said:

    Baffling that Leon should be the one who worries about being identified.

    We all know he's Sean Trellis, works for the Oldie, lives in Camden above a disused sex-shop. 47e Artillery Terrace. If he's not at home then his local is the Edinboro Castle. And his barber is the one with the newly acquired Ferrari.

    To be fair to Leon, the fear of having one's reputation (or career in local politics) ruined by a determined campaigner digging through old posts is not entirely unjustified. Imagine if Leon is up for Flintknapper of the Year and a rival digs up his holiday snaps showing more half-empty glasses than faux phalluses: instant disqualification! And jigsaw identification of other pseudonymous posters might easily be possible.
    I'm away and haven't followed any of this but for one of the worst muck spreaders on here to want privacy just about takes the biscuit. if anyone doesn't want their opinions on white babies or similar published to a wider audience maybe they could moderate their posts. Or discuss them on Stormfront with like minded posters
    Nah, even @Leon shouldn't be doxxed.
    I've always thought anonymous comments on the internet are a bad idea.
    Why?
    Just don't see the point of it. Most letters published in newspapers used to include the writers' name. Only occasionally would it be withheld.
    Even the posters here who use their names are effectively anonymous, as apart from a face to face drinkies every now and again we don't really know each other anyway.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,099
    Leon said:

    OK, who's slept with the most nurses?

    Patients in Intensive Care would be my guess...
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,112
    Pagan2 said:

    Foxy said:

    Roger said:

    Omnium said:

    Baffling that Leon should be the one who worries about being identified.

    We all know he's Sean Trellis, works for the Oldie, lives in Camden above a disused sex-shop. 47e Artillery Terrace. If he's not at home then his local is the Edinboro Castle. And his barber is the one with the newly acquired Ferrari.

    To be fair to Leon, the fear of having one's reputation (or career in local politics) ruined by a determined campaigner digging through old posts is not entirely unjustified. Imagine if Leon is up for Flintknapper of the Year and a rival digs up his holiday snaps showing more half-empty glasses than faux phalluses: instant disqualification! And jigsaw identification of other pseudonymous posters might easily be possible.
    I'm away and haven't followed any of this but for one of the worst muck spreaders on here to want privacy just about takes the biscuit. if anyone doesn't want their opinions on white babies or similar published to a wider audience maybe they could moderate their posts. Or discuss them on Stormfront with like minded posters
    Nah, even @Leon shouldn't be doxxed.
    Should we doxx you for your views on polanksi and child sodomy roger?
    I am not Roger, though I did meet him in a Nottingham pub once. He is charming and witty in real life too.

    We all have some peculiar views. There are even Radiohead fans on here.
  • Peter Mandelson is a very strong appointment in my view. Possibly the best call Sir Keir has made.

    Does it matter
    It's not absolutely top rank but, in fairness, Ambassador to the US is pretty significant in terms of navigating the next four years.

    We need to avoid economic harm, protect careful intelligence sharing, build a working relationship with Trump's wider team on the more sane side.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,114
    Gaby Hinsliff
    @gabyhinsliff.bsky.social‬

    ok as one of the reporting team behind a previous Peter Mandelson resignation-in-disgrace I'm not naive about this but...he's the most manipulative person I've ever met & I'm fascinated to see if he can get inside Trump's head, plus he knows trade/EU.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,990
    Andy_JS said:

    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Foxy said:

    Roger said:

    Omnium said:

    Baffling that Leon should be the one who worries about being identified.

    We all know he's Sean Trellis, works for the Oldie, lives in Camden above a disused sex-shop. 47e Artillery Terrace. If he's not at home then his local is the Edinboro Castle. And his barber is the one with the newly acquired Ferrari.

    To be fair to Leon, the fear of having one's reputation (or career in local politics) ruined by a determined campaigner digging through old posts is not entirely unjustified. Imagine if Leon is up for Flintknapper of the Year and a rival digs up his holiday snaps showing more half-empty glasses than faux phalluses: instant disqualification! And jigsaw identification of other pseudonymous posters might easily be possible.
    I'm away and haven't followed any of this but for one of the worst muck spreaders on here to want privacy just about takes the biscuit. if anyone doesn't want their opinions on white babies or similar published to a wider audience maybe they could moderate their posts. Or discuss them on Stormfront with like minded posters
    Nah, even @Leon shouldn't be doxxed.
    I've always thought anonymous comments on the internet are a bad idea.
    Why?
    Just don't see the point of it. Most letters published in newspapers used to include the writers' name. Only occasionally would it be withheld.
    Because people have relevant comments to make that they cant make if their boss gets wind of it. For example foxy making a comment about his health trust which is not complimentary, a teacher making a comment about ofsted or the dfe....dont be thick
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,895
    Does anyone know anything about the tens of thousands of drones the UK has said it will be sending Ukraine from January?
  • Andy_CookeAndy_Cooke Posts: 5,033
    ydoethur said:

    White House aides hid Biden’s apparent mental decline from Day 1 of his presidency, explosive report reveals
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/white-house-aides-hid-biden-s-apparent-mental-decline-from-day-1-of-his-presidency-explosive-report-reveals/ar-AA1wb0fN?ocid=BingNewsVerp

    How the White House Functioned With a Diminished Biden in Charge
    https://www.wsj.com/politics/biden-white-house-age-function-diminished-3906a839?mod=hp_lead_pos9

    The terrifying scandal is that Biden was NEVER president. The full truth about the cover-up, Bad Doctor Jill and all the enemies within must be exposed
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14211289/Joe-Biden-health-Jill-exposed-MAUREEN-CALLAHAN.html

    It's unfortunate if these stories are true (which given ample evidence to the contrary and the nature of the three sources they almost certainly aren't) that these people aren't staying on to manage Trump, who makes the 82-year-old Biden look as sharp as a 25-year-old Ludwig Wittgenstein.
    One source.
    Not three. The Mail and MSN are quoting and citing only the WSJ article.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,578
    Foxy said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Foxy said:

    Roger said:

    Omnium said:

    Baffling that Leon should be the one who worries about being identified.

    We all know he's Sean Trellis, works for the Oldie, lives in Camden above a disused sex-shop. 47e Artillery Terrace. If he's not at home then his local is the Edinboro Castle. And his barber is the one with the newly acquired Ferrari.

    To be fair to Leon, the fear of having one's reputation (or career in local politics) ruined by a determined campaigner digging through old posts is not entirely unjustified. Imagine if Leon is up for Flintknapper of the Year and a rival digs up his holiday snaps showing more half-empty glasses than faux phalluses: instant disqualification! And jigsaw identification of other pseudonymous posters might easily be possible.
    I'm away and haven't followed any of this but for one of the worst muck spreaders on here to want privacy just about takes the biscuit. if anyone doesn't want their opinions on white babies or similar published to a wider audience maybe they could moderate their posts. Or discuss them on Stormfront with like minded posters
    Nah, even @Leon shouldn't be doxxed.
    Should we doxx you for your views on polanksi and child sodomy roger?
    There are even Radiohead fans on here.
    I don't believe that for a second.

    (Just kidding - I am entirely indifferent to them and have never knowingly heard one of their songs, I am sure they are great).
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,112
    edited December 19

    Gaby Hinsliff
    @gabyhinsliff.bsky.social‬

    ok as one of the reporting team behind a previous Peter Mandelson resignation-in-disgrace I'm not naive about this but...he's the most manipulative person I've ever met & I'm fascinated to see if he can get inside Trump's head, plus he knows trade/EU.

    A close friend in the FCO told me that during Trump 45 our Ambassador in Washington's first thing on wakening was to check Trump's twitter to see what the orange man-baby was doing that day in the china shop.
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