So Ive been through the press in France Germany Italy and Spain and none of them have reported on the world changing events surrounding Greg Wallace.
Do they understand nothing ?
Rather a sadly dismissive post. If a rather forward camp man pulled his todger out, his modesty covered only by a sock, because he thought it might attract your interest, I suspect you would be quite justifiably outraged. Is there a difference?
when did he have his todger out, the fantasies are escalating
This is one of the more dubious cases arising from the summer riots.
A former boxer prosecuted for saying in a YouTube video that "young white girls are being raped by these grooming gangs". He initially pled not guilty and was remanded in custody without bail in August. After being locked up for months he's eventually pled guilty to a charge of 'sending communication of an offensive nature' and will now be sentenced.
Why did he post such a statement under the circumstances of the murder of the little girls in Southport/riots? Was it to inform or incite?
He may be a hideous man but I'm sorry, if that is really what he has been done for, it is a disgrace. 'Sending communication of an offensive nature' is almost Constable Savage level. Anyway it looks like for Farage the criminal justice system is the gift that keeps on giving. It's amazing how all you anti Farage people don't get that.
If I'd been in a position of authority a national figure inciting unrest by quoting Andrew Tate's bullshit should have had his collar felt by plod too.
Do you want a police state?
And what about people who spread untruths regards say BLM protests? Should they be sent to prison? Or is it just certain types of unrest that you are bothered with?
No, but people potentially being burned alive in a Holiday Inn Express because some twat quoted Andrew Tate bollocks on X deserves a slap.
Equally people wearing a kippah should be allowed to go about their business unhindered. Anyone impeding them because they don't like Bibi's government should also face the full force of the law.
This isn't be a right/ left thing. It's about right and wrong.
Context is a thing.
"Kill the fucker!" - in a gaming session of Call of Duty "Kill the fucker!" - while participating in a gang, armed with knives, that have pulled a victim to the ground....
Context is key, however why did Farage quote Tate, was it to incite unrest which would be of political advantage to him or is he just a complete knob? Pick your context.
Knob, I think. Met him once, long ago. I think he is genuinely the saloon bar type he appears to be.
I'm not going to argue with "knob" - but he's politically shrewd and a skilled communicator.
"Lockdown broke will to work, says former Waitrose boss New research shows that British employees are among the world’s least happy Szu Ping Chan Economics Editor"
Well we aren't as industrious as we used to be, writing bollocks on PB all day long. And I don't buy multi-tasking.
Look at how working conditions have changed for general supermarket labour.
No more: paid breaks, time and a half for weekends or extra for national holidays. Rotas are flexible but they generally flex only one way. Contracts are initially for < 21 hours a week and topped up by insecure hours. Staffing rates are continually pressured, often to the point of expecting heroics every day. Rotas are monthly and pseudo-random meaning most will expect to work at least one weekend a week and possibly more, curtailing second jobs and upskilling.
Seriously, talk to people in low-end retail work. There are reasons they are unhappy. Continually declining working conditions and terrible union representation means they are living shit lives.
People who do these jobs, long term, are by nature unadventurous. Otherwise they would try a different thing.
Change is scary to a lot of people. Not everyone goes "fuck the rent, I'm out of this job. I'll find something else"
COVID did a massive reset at the low end. Tons of such people lost their jobs - no hours for their zero hours contracts.
So many found new jobs. I talked to a couple of Amazon drivers who are revelling in being on short distance parcel delivery - small, low weight packages, a warm van with their own music on. And a lot more pay than the previous shitty jobs.
When you are revelling in the joy of a job with Amazon.....
Most are not unadventurous, at least not those I've known. You could more say victims of circumstance. The soon to retire, school leavers living at home who need to support a social life, single parents reliant upon benefits to top up work. There are lifers but most are moved in to supervisor roles* after a few years.
The supermarkets have chosen to make their employees lives progressively worse. Each pay deal comes with small pay increase but hidden changes to conditions. Often grocers are the monopsony employer in small towns/cities and for sure they take advantage of people with nowhere else to go.
* Still poorly paid but with now with added responsibilities...
This is one of the more dubious cases arising from the summer riots.
A former boxer prosecuted for saying in a YouTube video that "young white girls are being raped by these grooming gangs". He initially pled not guilty and was remanded in custody without bail in August. After being locked up for months he's eventually pled guilty to a charge of 'sending communication of an offensive nature' and will now be sentenced.
Why did he post such a statement under the circumstances of the murder of the little girls in Southport/riots? Was it to inform or incite?
He may be a hideous man but I'm sorry, if that is really what he has been done for, it is a disgrace. 'Sending communication of an offensive nature' is almost Constable Savage level. Anyway it looks like for Farage the criminal justice system is the gift that keeps on giving. It's amazing how all you anti Farage people don't get that.
If I'd been in a position of authority a national figure inciting unrest by quoting Andrew Tate's bullshit should have had his collar felt by plod too.
Do you want a police state?
And what about people who spread untruths regards say BLM protests? Should they be sent to prison? Or is it just certain types of unrest that you are bothered with?
No, but people potentially being burned alive in a Holiday Inn Express because some twat quoted Andrew Tate bollocks on X deserves a slap.
Equally people wearing a kippah should be allowed to go about their business unhindered. Anyone impeding them because they don't like Bibi's government should also face the full force of the law.
This isn't be a right/ left thing. It's about right and wrong.
Context is a thing.
"Kill the fucker!" - in a gaming session of Call of Duty "Kill the fucker!" - while participating in a gang, armed with knives, that have pulled a victim to the ground....
Context is key, however why did Farage quote Tate, was it to incite unrest which would be of political advantage to him or is he just a complete knob? Pick your context.
I don't know. The more generous answer would be that he was questioning the lack of information being provided by the police that was creating a vacuum. Obviously the full picture will emerge once the trial is done and dusted.
That is utter rubbish.
The police were conducting their investigation in the immediate aftermath of a vile murder of young children. Only a **** would make up a false story with details about Syrian refugees being responsible under such heartbreaking circumstances,, and only an even bigger scoundrel ( or ****, take your pick) would publish "the facts" when he didn't know whether they were bollocks or not. He claims to be a serious politician. Well that wasn't serious , it was shocking.
Almost no information was being provided at all. Are you in any way curious as to why it took months for the Ricin information to be made public (on the eve of the budget)?
So Ive been through the press in France Germany Italy and Spain and none of them have reported on the world changing events surrounding Greg Wallace.
Do they understand nothing ?
Rather a sadly dismissive post. If a rather forward camp man pulled his todger out, his modesty covered only by a sock, because he thought it might attract your interest, I suspect you would be quite justifiably outraged. Is there a difference?
when did he have his todger out, the fantasies are escalating
Apparently he didn't it was covered by a sock. My mistake.
This shift on immigration from Labour is really intriguing and the fact they’ve done it so early suggests they think it’s a major problem area but also one they feel they can tackle.
I do think if they manage to cut immigration next year and the next they’ll be perceived quite differently.
Starmer was crystal clear and for once unequivical.
He took down Gangs at the CPS he believes he can take down Gangs as PM
He's certainly got a plan. He's not bowing to some to his left and he is setting about showing that his word on this is credible.
It will be 2 to 3 years before we know but he's made more progress in 5 months than the Tories have in many years...
The wheels are turning
LOL, he has done square root of nothing other than bump his gums , rob pensioners, cripple business and shaft farmers. What kind of gullible labour SPAD are you.
This shift on immigration from Labour is really intriguing and the fact they’ve done it so early suggests they think it’s a major problem area but also one they feel they can tackle.
I do think if they manage to cut immigration next year and the next they’ll be perceived quite differently.
This shift on immigration from Labour is really intriguing and the fact they’ve done it so early suggests they think it’s a major problem area but also one they feel they can tackle.
I do think if they manage to cut immigration next year and the next they’ll be perceived quite differently.
Another pig just flew past
Why are you so horrible to everyone? What have we ever done to you?
"Lockdown broke will to work, says former Waitrose boss New research shows that British employees are among the world’s least happy Szu Ping Chan Economics Editor"
@BorisJohnson won the Brexit referendum by promising control of our borders. And then he did this
No question that immigration has gone up dramatically. But are you sure that a sizeable part of that almost-vertical line isn't students, who are now "counted in" since Mrs May changed the rules. That cohort won't be "counted out" until they leave after three years. We would need to know whether students who were not "counted in" pre-May are being "counted out" or not.
There are stats for students, dependents of students, dependents of those with work visas etc etc
This is one of the more dubious cases arising from the summer riots.
A former boxer prosecuted for saying in a YouTube video that "young white girls are being raped by these grooming gangs". He initially pled not guilty and was remanded in custody without bail in August. After being locked up for months he's eventually pled guilty to a charge of 'sending communication of an offensive nature' and will now be sentenced.
If there is no more context to this case than that presented here it is an outrage. Despite his back record. There might well be such context - we don’t know
Stop flagging you pathetic fools
Heavy-handed treatment of white racists, you seem particularly animated by this issue.
Courts do not remand people in custody awaiting trial without due cause. Therefore there is clearly something in his past record which resulted in him being remanded. Previous convictions would also be taken into account during sentencing. This is established legal precedent which none of you "law and order fans" would be challenging if the person in this case wasn't a white racist (with previous convictions for violence). You were all jubilant when the climate protesters got lengthy prison sentences for their zoom meeting because of their previous convictions for protesting.
The other big political argument that Farage is in the process of winning is on immigration.
Everyone from Starmer to the Adam Smith Institute has suddenly changed their tune and decided that we've had far too much of it after years of defending it and arguing that we needed more.
The change isn't quite as sweeping as that. It's just that everybody agrees the late Cons went OTT with 900k net in a year and it needs to come down significantly from there.
There’s been a similar change in sentiment in Canada so I think it’s something more profound than that. People are realising that the economic case for mass immigration doesn’t stack up.
Well it doesn't. But neither does the economic case for low to zero immigration.
"Lockdown broke will to work, says former Waitrose boss New research shows that British employees are among the world’s least happy Szu Ping Chan Economics Editor"
That's not really what he said. From the article:-
However, he blamed lockdown for triggering a range of issues, including an increase in poor mental health among young people. Lord Price added that the rise of work from home was also leading to a worse experience of work among young people.
He said: “For a lot of young people, they take on jobs and they never go to the office. They never meet a team. It isn’t like when I started work, when you went in and had socials.
I've seen this with the juniors/team joiners. One was almost effusive - I came into the office every day for 2 weeks when she started. Otherwise, she sat on her own, or with one or two people from the team who happened to be in.
Apparently having some social context in a new role is important.
The other big political argument that Farage is in the process of winning is on immigration.
Everyone from Starmer to the Adam Smith Institute has suddenly changed their tune and decided that we've had far too much of it after years of defending it and arguing that we needed more.
The change isn't quite as sweeping as that. It's just that everybody agrees the late Cons went OTT with 900k net in a year and it needs to come down significantly from there.
There’s been a similar change in sentiment in Canada so I think it’s something more profound than that. People are realising that the economic case for mass immigration doesn’t stack up.
Well it doesn't. But neither does the economic case for low to zero immigration.
Sweden currently has net emigration, so we can run a real-world experiment. Do you predict economic disaster for them?
This shift on immigration from Labour is really intriguing and the fact they’ve done it so early suggests they think it’s a major problem area but also one they feel they can tackle.
I do think if they manage to cut immigration next year and the next they’ll be perceived quite differently.
Another pig just flew past
Why are you so horrible to everyone? What have we ever done to you?
He is a PB institution and certainly knows how to wind up Labour supporters
So Ive been through the press in France Germany Italy and Spain and none of them have reported on the world changing events surrounding Greg Wallace.
Do they understand nothing ?
Rather a sadly dismissive post. If a rather forward camp man pulled his todger out, his modesty covered only by a sock, because he thought it might attract your interest, I suspect you would be quite justifiably outraged. Is there a difference?
when did he have his todger out, the fantasies are escalating
Apparently he didn't it was covered by a sock. My mistake.
The thing is that these sorts of actions are on an escalating ladder. Today it is "todger out", but what about tomorrow or next week? When does flashing no longer satisfy and so the perpetrator moves up to assault or rape or murder?
Are we supposed to wait until it gets really, deadly serious?
This shift on immigration from Labour is really intriguing and the fact they’ve done it so early suggests they think it’s a major problem area but also one they feel they can tackle.
I do think if they manage to cut immigration next year and the next they’ll be perceived quite differently.
Another pig just flew past
Why are you so horrible to everyone? What have we ever done to you?
why are you such a wimp, as much chance of those dullards cutting immigration as me being pope.
"Voting will start some time after 19:00 local time (18:00 GMT). MPs will have 45 minutes to cast their vote - they can either vote in favour of the motion of no-confidence or abstain, but they cannot vote "no". 288 votes are needed for the motion to be adopted and the government to collapse. In total, more than 320 MPs have already committed to voting for no-confidence - so even if a handful change their minds, the motion should garner more than the required total."
This shift on immigration from Labour is really intriguing and the fact they’ve done it so early suggests they think it’s a major problem area but also one they feel they can tackle.
I do think if they manage to cut immigration next year and the next they’ll be perceived quite differently.
Another pig just flew past
Why are you so horrible to everyone? What have we ever done to you?
why are you such a wimp, as much chance of those dullards cutting immigration as me being pope.
The hat might suit you malc, "the hat maketh the man." Something like that anyway.
"Lockdown broke will to work, says former Waitrose boss New research shows that British employees are among the world’s least happy Szu Ping Chan Economics Editor"
Well we aren't as industrious as we used to be, writing bollocks on PB all day long. And I don't buy multi-tasking.
It's true, Pete.
We used to have threads running regularly to over a thousand comments. Now we are doing well to get past five hundred.
You just can't get the posters these days.
Articles written by Viewcode fall into three broad camps: the Measurement Series, about how we measure political concepts, the Ideas series, about current political concepts, and the Chronicle of a Bet Foretold series, about the logistics of betting wrt specific election. Some were lost after the reorganisation, but those that are recoverable are below. The numbers are the number of comments
Bear in mind the number of comments is proportional to the time the article is up and the time comments are closed, and I think this has changed since OGH passed the torch to the mods. Consequently comparison with past times may not be meaningful.
The other big political argument that Farage is in the process of winning is on immigration.
Everyone from Starmer to the Adam Smith Institute has suddenly changed their tune and decided that we've had far too much of it after years of defending it and arguing that we needed more.
The change isn't quite as sweeping as that. It's just that everybody agrees the late Cons went OTT with 900k net in a year and it needs to come down significantly from there.
There’s been a similar change in sentiment in Canada so I think it’s something more profound than that. People are realising that the economic case for mass immigration doesn’t stack up.
Well it doesn't. But neither does the economic case for low to zero immigration.
Sweden currently has net emigration, so we can run a real-world experiment. Do you predict economic disaster for them?
I don't, no. I predict they will rub along broadly correlated to how the global economy does. Same as most developed countries, regardless of what flavour of government they have.
Trump is an utter assh*le and the Yanks were off their heads voting for him, however I look forward with anticipation to watching their reactions as they discover what a monster they put into the Whitehouse.
Does PB have a market for the date of the Second American Revolution?
This shift on immigration from Labour is really intriguing and the fact they’ve done it so early suggests they think it’s a major problem area but also one they feel they can tackle.
I do think if they manage to cut immigration next year and the next they’ll be perceived quite differently.
Another pig just flew past
Why are you so horrible to everyone? What have we ever done to you?
why are you such a wimp, as much chance of those dullards cutting immigration as me being pope.
This shift on immigration from Labour is really intriguing and the fact they’ve done it so early suggests they think it’s a major problem area but also one they feel they can tackle.
I do think if they manage to cut immigration next year and the next they’ll be perceived quite differently.
Another pig just flew past
Why are you so horrible to everyone? What have we ever done to you?
why are you such a wimp, as much chance of those dullards cutting immigration as me being pope.
The hat might suit you malc, "the hat maketh the man." Something like that anyway.
'Manners maketh man'
My music teacher sent me to detention many times (unfairly) and each time I had to write that 600 times
This is one of the more dubious cases arising from the summer riots.
A former boxer prosecuted for saying in a YouTube video that "young white girls are being raped by these grooming gangs". He initially pled not guilty and was remanded in custody without bail in August. After being locked up for months he's eventually pled guilty to a charge of 'sending communication of an offensive nature' and will now be sentenced.
If there is no more context to this case than that presented here it is an outrage. Despite his back record. There might well be such context - we don’t know
Stop flagging you pathetic fools
Heavy-handed treatment of white racists, you seem particularly animated by this issue.
Free speech? Yes. Even criminals are allowed opinions, especially if they are merely expressing facts
More pertinently my ire was directed at the ludicrous “flagging” of @williamglenn as if, in merely noting this case, he’s broken some rule and should be censored or banned. Farcical
This shift on immigration from Labour is really intriguing and the fact they’ve done it so early suggests they think it’s a major problem area but also one they feel they can tackle.
I do think if they manage to cut immigration next year and the next they’ll be perceived quite differently.
Another pig just flew past
Why are you so horrible to everyone? What have we ever done to you?
why are you such a wimp, as much chance of those dullards cutting immigration as me being pope.
The hat might suit you malc, "the hat maketh the man." Something like that anyway.
'Manners maketh man'
My music teacher sent me to detention many times (unfairly) and each time I had to write that 600 times
You know Big G, that form of the saying was even further from my mind than North Wales is from where I'm sitting.
This shift on immigration from Labour is really intriguing and the fact they’ve done it so early suggests they think it’s a major problem area but also one they feel they can tackle.
I do think if they manage to cut immigration next year and the next they’ll be perceived quite differently.
Another pig just flew past
Why are you so horrible to everyone? What have we ever done to you?
why are you such a wimp, as much chance of those dullards cutting immigration as me being pope.
The hat might suit you malc, "the hat maketh the man." Something like that anyway.
'Manners maketh man'
My music teacher sent me to detention many times (unfairly) and each time I had to write that 600 times
This shift on immigration from Labour is really intriguing and the fact they’ve done it so early suggests they think it’s a major problem area but also one they feel they can tackle.
I do think if they manage to cut immigration next year and the next they’ll be perceived quite differently.
Another pig just flew past
Why are you so horrible to everyone? What have we ever done to you?
why are you such a wimp, as much chance of those dullards cutting immigration as me being pope.
The hat might suit you malc, "the hat maketh the man." Something like that anyway.
'Manners maketh man'
My music teacher sent me to detention many times (unfairly) and each time I had to write that 600 times
Isn't it makyth ?
1200 times please.
Seems unfair to insist on proper spelling for a saying with roots well before the first English dictionary.
This shift on immigration from Labour is really intriguing and the fact they’ve done it so early suggests they think it’s a major problem area but also one they feel they can tackle.
I do think if they manage to cut immigration next year and the next they’ll be perceived quite differently.
Another pig just flew past
Why are you so horrible to everyone? What have we ever done to you?
why are you such a wimp, as much chance of those dullards cutting immigration as me being pope.
This shift on immigration from Labour is really intriguing and the fact they’ve done it so early suggests they think it’s a major problem area but also one they feel they can tackle.
I do think if they manage to cut immigration next year and the next they’ll be perceived quite differently.
Another pig just flew past
Why are you so horrible to everyone? What have we ever done to you?
why are you such a wimp, as much chance of those dullards cutting immigration as me being pope.
The hat might suit you malc, "the hat maketh the man." Something like that anyway.
'Manners maketh man'
My music teacher sent me to detention many times (unfairly) and each time I had to write that 600 times
I thought it was "the" man?
Similar to the confusion around Neil Armstrong and his "one small step..."
This is one of the more dubious cases arising from the summer riots.
A former boxer prosecuted for saying in a YouTube video that "young white girls are being raped by these grooming gangs". He initially pled not guilty and was remanded in custody without bail in August. After being locked up for months he's eventually pled guilty to a charge of 'sending communication of an offensive nature' and will now be sentenced.
If there is no more context to this case than that presented here it is an outrage. Despite his back record. There might well be such context - we don’t know
Stop flagging you pathetic fools
There seems to be a new found enthusiasm for flagging posts. I got more last week than I had in the previous years. Now William's post was mind numbingly silly, but certainly not warranting of a flag.
This shift on immigration from Labour is really intriguing and the fact they’ve done it so early suggests they think it’s a major problem area but also one they feel they can tackle.
I do think if they manage to cut immigration next year and the next they’ll be perceived quite differently.
Another pig just flew past
Why are you so horrible to everyone? What have we ever done to you?
why are you such a wimp, as much chance of those dullards cutting immigration as me being pope.
The hat might suit you malc, "the hat maketh the man." Something like that anyway.
'Manners maketh man'
My music teacher sent me to detention many times (unfairly) and each time I had to write that 600 times
I thought it was "the" man?
Similar to the confusion around Neil Armstrong and his "one small step..."
I’m doing my favourite thing. I’m in a car with a private driver taking me across a fabulously exotic country to a famously remote town. In the warm sunshine. In December. On half a tramadol
Are you Chris Pincher
I’ve sussed them.
Shecorns88 and CharlieSharky are not bots from Putin, they are straight out backroom of Labour and Tory Party HQs. Not SovBots, but BritBots.
I say we should leap on, challenge and ridicule everything these bots post, just as we do with the SovBot’s, just to show we are a no spin community of honest free thinkers, disgusted at their attempts to steer us and force the party political narrative on here.
Shecorns might even be Morgan McSweeney himself - though CharlieSharky clearly not (yet) in Kemi’s top team because the posts in here are far sharper and more effective than Kemi is at PMQs.
It’s easy to work this out, as all they post is political spin, when 99% of PB can’t even stay on topic let alone politics. No joining in the puns = weirdo’s. Simples.
Is this MoonRabbit posting or………Columbo !!
😀
I suspect its some some acne ridden intern working at labour hq
Certainly, anyone who was actually born in 1988 has long since learned not to use '88' in their publicly-visible username online...
This shift on immigration from Labour is really intriguing and the fact they’ve done it so early suggests they think it’s a major problem area but also one they feel they can tackle.
I do think if they manage to cut immigration next year and the next they’ll be perceived quite differently.
Another pig just flew past
Why are you so horrible to everyone? What have we ever done to you?
why are you such a wimp, as much chance of those dullards cutting immigration as me being pope.
The hat might suit you malc, "the hat maketh the man." Something like that anyway.
'Manners maketh man'
My music teacher sent me to detention many times (unfairly) and each time I had to write that 600 times
Isn't it makyth ?
1200 times please.
It was how I had to write it, but then this was the mid fifties
I actually mastered the technique of using 3 pencils at once
It was interesting listening to Tim Montgomerie on Sky this morning about his defection to Reform which he said was a result of the immigration figures but he also said he doesn't agree with everything Farage says and unlike Reform he supports increasing foreign aid
He went on to say that in time, some accommodation between the Conservatives and Reform is quite likely which seemed as if he was hoping to act as a bridge between the two
It does appear from recent polling that the combined total of the two is gaining on the left and it would change politics if this happened, and not in a good way fror labour
In the Battle Of Trafalgar, Nelson defeated a larger force by splitting his opponents into two. In more modern times, the 1980s split of British Labour into Labour & SDP, and the later split of the Canadian Conservatives, kept them out of government for a decade. Until the pro-immigration Conservatives and the anti-immigration Reform come to an accommodation (I suggest controlled/capped immigration cf Goodwin et al), they will remain out of power.
Indeed, in the 20th century FPTP helped the Conservatives more as the left was divided between the Liberals and Labour, now it helps Labour more as the right is divided between the Tories and Reform. Hence Starmer's landslide Labour win on just 33.7% of the vote
from last thread but on topic, there is another element to FPTP oft flagged up by Mike Smithson - who likes you as an option rather than waste a vote, who wouldn’t vote for you in any circumstance?
This can get you an awful lot of seats under FPTP for just 33.7% of the vote, or even for 12.2%. When you go up just 0.6% from last election yet go from 11 to 72 seats, up just 1.6% and add 211, or get 14.3% of votes for just 5 seats, it’s stark it’s not party politics, it’s like minded on election outcome voting blocks, voting interchangeable in FPTP.
I suspect if Reform support went from 14.3 to 0 at next GE, Conservatives shouldn’t expect anything near 14.3% uplift in their own vote - much of that 14.3 came from what voters had been telling pollsters would be Labour vote for much last 2 years of the last parliament. If i’m right, what has been appeal of the populist right wing party to those voters - or merely a protest vote, not real support for right of centre?
Psephology should pursue why LLG thought same about outcome they wanted in 2024, and measure how this moves now in coming years to predict the next result in advance. At same time the flip side, why doesn’t anyone, including Conservatives, lend their vote to help Reform?
For example: do you attract the conservative minded, if seen as populist? Can you even be populist and Conservative at the same time? That’s a key question for Badenoch’s Tories, especially if Conservatives, now free from government for five long years, want the 8.4 drop in turnout lifting their share next time.
Let me answer by introducing the magic phrase our psephology needs to apply more seriously in this era - spectral-syncretic politics. Without shadow of doubt Starmer’s government is pursuing fiscal conservatism, welfare to workfare reform and deregulation - so two Clintonesque periods of Labour government in a row, a lot of psephology may still have a mindset stuck in pre 97 past about Labour and missing that if Badenoch messes up the “can you be populist and conservative at the same time” teaser, Labour and Lib Dem’s will mop up even more new votes.
This is one of the more dubious cases arising from the summer riots.
A former boxer prosecuted for saying in a YouTube video that "young white girls are being raped by these grooming gangs". He initially pled not guilty and was remanded in custody without bail in August. After being locked up for months he's eventually pled guilty to a charge of 'sending communication of an offensive nature' and will now be sentenced.
If there is no more context to this case than that presented here it is an outrage. Despite his back record. There might well be such context - we don’t know
Stop flagging you pathetic fools
Heavy-handed treatment of white racists, you seem particularly animated by this issue.
Free speech? Yes. Even criminals are allowed opinions, especially if they are merely expressing facts
More pertinently my ire was directed at the ludicrous “flagging” of @williamglenn as if, in merely noting this case, he’s broken some rule and should be censored or banned. Farcical
And now you've been flagged.
It could be for pretending it's free speech in general you're passionate about rather than free speech from the right. But whatever, it shouldn't have happened. Let's save flags for the really bad stuff or they get devalued.
So Ive been through the press in France Germany Italy and Spain and none of them have reported on the world changing events surrounding Greg Wallace.
Do they understand nothing ?
Rather a sadly dismissive post. If a rather forward camp man pulled his todger out, his modesty covered only by a sock, because he thought it might attract your interest, I suspect you would be quite justifiably outraged. Is there a difference?
when did he have his todger out, the fantasies are escalating
Apparently he didn't it was covered by a sock. My mistake.
The thing is that these sorts of actions are on an escalating ladder. Today it is "todger out", but what about tomorrow or next week? When does flashing no longer satisfy and so the perpetrator moves up to assault or rape or murder?
Are we supposed to wait until it gets really, deadly serious?
Which is why corrective actions early on work dividends. A mate saying to a friend: "Oi, no. That's not good," can sometimes change future behaviours. Letting them continue, or even encouraging them, just makes matters worse.
And I know DEI gets a bad press on here, but it's surprising how many people who argue against DEI also don't think @Leon is a racist...
This is one of the more dubious cases arising from the summer riots.
A former boxer prosecuted for saying in a YouTube video that "young white girls are being raped by these grooming gangs". He initially pled not guilty and was remanded in custody without bail in August. After being locked up for months he's eventually pled guilty to a charge of 'sending communication of an offensive nature' and will now be sentenced.
If there is no more context to this case than that presented here it is an outrage. Despite his back record. There might well be such context - we don’t know
Stop flagging you pathetic fools
There seems to be a new found enthusiasm for flagging posts. I got more last week than I had in the previous years. Now William's post was mind numbingly silly, but certainly not warranting of a flag.
The moderators have stated that a ban will follow the unnecessary use of flagging
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Are you Chris Pincher
I’ve sussed them.
Shecorns88 and CharlieSharky are not bots from Putin, they are straight out backroom of Labour and Tory Party HQs. Not SovBots, but BritBots.
I say we should leap on, challenge and ridicule everything these bots post, just as we do with the SovBot’s, just to show we are a no spin community of honest free thinkers, disgusted at their attempts to steer us and force the party political narrative on here.
Shecorns might even be Morgan McSweeney himself - though CharlieSharky clearly not (yet) in Kemi’s top team because the posts in here are far sharper and more effective than Kemi is at PMQs.
It’s easy to work this out, as all they post is political spin, when 99% of PB can’t even stay on topic let alone politics. No joining in the puns = weirdo’s. Simples.
Is this MoonRabbit posting or………Columbo !!
😀
I suspect its some some acne ridden intern working at labour hq
Certainly, anyone who was actually born in 1988 has long since learned not to use '88' in their publicly-visible username online...
Certainly most British voters do not like Trump, however that does not necessarily mean being close to him will be very damaging to Farage.
16% of British voters say they are happy Trump has been elected President again which is actually 2% higher than the 14% who voted Reform in July. However it does put a ceiling on his support if he gets too close to the President elect and makes his aim of becoming next PM and winning most seats at the next GE rather harder
This is one of the more dubious cases arising from the summer riots.
A former boxer prosecuted for saying in a YouTube video that "young white girls are being raped by these grooming gangs". He initially pled not guilty and was remanded in custody without bail in August. After being locked up for months he's eventually pled guilty to a charge of 'sending communication of an offensive nature' and will now be sentenced.
If there is no more context to this case than that presented here it is an outrage. Despite his back record. There might well be such context - we don’t know
Stop flagging you pathetic fools
Heavy-handed treatment of white racists, you seem particularly animated by this issue.
Free speech? Yes. Even criminals are allowed opinions, especially if they are merely expressing facts
More pertinently my ire was directed at the ludicrous “flagging” of @williamglenn as if, in merely noting this case, he’s broken some rule and should be censored or banned. Farcical
And now you've been flagged.
It could be for pretending it's free speech in general you're passionate about rather than free speech from the right. But whatever, it shouldn't have happened. Let's save flags for the really bad stuff or they get devalued.
I *think* the last time I deliberately flagged someone was when someone gave the name of my son's school. Certainly it is a tool that should be used lightly.
(I know it's out of RCS and the mod's hands, but perhaps Vanilla would like to put a 'Are you sure?' question before the flag is logged, especially as I've accidentally pressed it on my mobile in the past, and only noticed because the post was flagged but not liked. Fat finger syndrome...
I’m doing my favourite thing. I’m in a car with a private driver taking me across a fabulously exotic country to a famously remote town. In the warm sunshine. In December. On half a tramadol
Are you Chris Pincher
I’ve sussed them.
Shecorns88 and CharlieSharky are not bots from Putin, they are straight out backroom of Labour and Tory Party HQs. Not SovBots, but BritBots.
I say we should leap on, challenge and ridicule everything these bots post, just as we do with the SovBot’s, just to show we are a no spin community of honest free thinkers, disgusted at their attempts to steer us and force the party political narrative on here.
Shecorns might even be Morgan McSweeney himself - though CharlieSharky clearly not (yet) in Kemi’s top team because the posts in here are far sharper and more effective than Kemi is at PMQs.
It’s easy to work this out, as all they post is political spin, when 99% of PB can’t even stay on topic let alone politics. No joining in the puns = weirdo’s. Simples.
Is this MoonRabbit posting or………Columbo !!
😀
I suspect its some some acne ridden intern working at labour hq
Certainly, anyone who was actually born in 1988 has long since learned not to use '88' in their publicly-visible username online...
This shift on immigration from Labour is really intriguing and the fact they’ve done it so early suggests they think it’s a major problem area but also one they feel they can tackle.
I do think if they manage to cut immigration next year and the next they’ll be perceived quite differently.
Another pig just flew past
Why are you so horrible to everyone? What have we ever done to you?
why are you such a wimp, as much chance of those dullards cutting immigration as me being pope.
The hat might suit you malc, "the hat maketh the man." Something like that anyway.
'Manners maketh man'
My music teacher sent me to detention many times (unfairly) and each time I had to write that 600 times
I thought it was "the" man?
Similar to the confusion around Neil Armstrong and his "one small step..."
It was interesting listening to Tim Montgomerie on Sky this morning about his defection to Reform which he said was a result of the immigration figures but he also said he doesn't agree with everything Farage says and unlike Reform he supports increasing foreign aid
He went on to say that in time, some accommodation between the Conservatives and Reform is quite likely which seemed as if he was hoping to act as a bridge between the two
It does appear from recent polling that the combined total of the two is gaining on the left and it would change politics if this happened, and not in a good way fror labour
In the Battle Of Trafalgar, Nelson defeated a larger force by splitting his opponents into two. In more modern times, the 1980s split of British Labour into Labour & SDP, and the later split of the Canadian Conservatives, kept them out of government for a decade. Until the pro-immigration Conservatives and the anti-immigration Reform come to an accommodation (I suggest controlled/capped immigration cf Goodwin et al), they will remain out of power.
Indeed, in the 20th century FPTP helped the Conservatives more as the left was divided between the Liberals and Labour, now it helps Labour more as the right is divided between the Tories and Reform. Hence Starmer's landslide Labour win on just 33.7% of the vote
from last thread but on topic, there is another element to FPTP oft flagged up by Mike Smithson - who likes you as an option rather than waste a vote, who wouldn’t vote for you in any circumstance?
This can get you an awful lot of seats under FPTP for just 33.7% of the vote, or even for 12.2%. When you go up just 0.6% from last election yet go from 11 to 72 seats, up just 1.6% and add 211, or get 14.3% of votes for just 5 seats, it’s stark it’s not party politics, it’s like minded on election outcome voting blocks, voting interchangeable in FPTP.
I suspect if Reform support went from 14.3 to 0 at next GE, Conservatives shouldn’t expect anything near 14.3% uplift in their own vote - much of that 14.3 came from what voters had been telling pollsters would be Labour vote for much last 2 years of the last parliament. If i’m right, what has been appeal of the populist right wing party to those voters - or merely a protest vote, not real support for right of centre?
Psephology should pursue why LLG thought same about outcome they wanted in 2024, and measure how this moves now in coming years to predict the next result in advance. At same time the flip side, why doesn’t anyone, including Conservatives, lend their vote to help Reform?
For example: do you attract the conservative minded, if seen as populist? Can you even be populist and Conservative at the same time? That’s a key question for Badenoch’s Tories, especially if Conservatives, now free from government for five long years, want the 8.4 drop in turnout lifting their share next time.
Let me answer by introducing the magic phrase our psephology needs to apply more seriously in this era - spectral-syncretic politics. Without shadow of doubt Starmer’s government is pursuing fiscal conservatism, welfare to workfare reform and deregulation - so two Clintonesque periods of Labour government in a row, a lot of psephology may still have a mindset stuck in pre 97 past about Labour and missing that if Badenoch messes up the “can you be populist and conservative at the same time” teaser, Labour and Lib Dem’s will mop up even more new votes.
Starmer's tax rises on farmers and business owners is certainly not fiscal conservatism. Nor is his renationalising of rail companies today or his splurging payrises on GPs and train drivers.
Not all Reform voters are ex Tories but in July a clear plurality were. They are now making inroads with Labour voters and the more they do that the more that starts to help the Tories under FPTP (as long as they don't make so many inroads with Labour voters they take the lead in the polls in which case it would be Farage heading for most seats not Badenoch)
So Ive been through the press in France Germany Italy and Spain and none of them have reported on the world changing events surrounding Greg Wallace.
Do they understand nothing ?
Rather a sadly dismissive post. If a rather forward camp man pulled his todger out, his modesty covered only by a sock, because he thought it might attract your interest, I suspect you would be quite justifiably outraged. Is there a difference?
when did he have his todger out, the fantasies are escalating
Apparently he didn't it was covered by a sock. My mistake.
The thing is that these sorts of actions are on an escalating ladder. Today it is "todger out", but what about tomorrow or next week? When does flashing no longer satisfy and so the perpetrator moves up to assault or rape or murder?
Are we supposed to wait until it gets really, deadly serious?
Which is why corrective actions early on work dividends. A mate saying to a friend: "Oi, no. That's not good," can sometimes change future behaviours. Letting them continue, or even encouraging them, just makes matters worse.
And I know DEI gets a bad press on here, but it's surprising how many people who argue against DEI also don't think @Leon is a racist...
But like leftism.
One minute you’re expressing a mild enthusiasm for the right to join a trade union. Two minutes later, you’ve joined SMERSH and are killing dissidents with ice picks.
@BorisJohnson won the Brexit referendum by promising control of our borders. And then he did this
So EU migration fell after Brexit as promised, Brexit could only control that not non EU migration anyway.
Non EU migration only started to fall under Rishi not Boris admittedly as the chart shows as he tightened visa wage requirements for non EU migrants and stopped them bringing over dependants
@BorisJohnson won the Brexit referendum by promising control of our borders. And then he did this
So EU migration fell after Brexit as promised, Brexit could only control that not non EU migration anyway.
Non EU migration only started to fall under Rishi not Boris admittedly as the chart shows as he tightened visa wage requirements for non EU migrants and stopped them bringing over dependants
"started to fall" is margin of error on that scale!
I’m doing my favourite thing. I’m in a car with a private driver taking me across a fabulously exotic country to a famously remote town. In the warm sunshine. In December. On half a tramadol
Are you Chris Pincher
I’ve sussed them.
Shecorns88 and CharlieSharky are not bots from Putin, they are straight out backroom of Labour and Tory Party HQs. Not SovBots, but BritBots.
I say we should leap on, challenge and ridicule everything these bots post, just as we do with the SovBot’s, just to show we are a no spin community of honest free thinkers, disgusted at their attempts to steer us and force the party political narrative on here.
Shecorns might even be Morgan McSweeney himself - though CharlieSharky clearly not (yet) in Kemi’s top team because the posts in here are far sharper and more effective than Kemi is at PMQs.
It’s easy to work this out, as all they post is political spin, when 99% of PB can’t even stay on topic let alone politics. No joining in the puns = weirdo’s. Simples.
Is this MoonRabbit posting or………Columbo !!
😀
I suspect its some some acne ridden intern working at labour hq
Certainly, anyone who was actually born in 1988 has long since learned not to use '88' in their publicly-visible username online...
@BorisJohnson won the Brexit referendum by promising control of our borders. And then he did this
No question that immigration has gone up dramatically. But are you sure that a sizeable part of that almost-vertical line isn't students, who are now "counted in" since Mrs May changed the rules. That cohort won't be "counted out" until they leave after three years. We would need to know whether students who were not "counted in" pre-May are being "counted out" or not.
There are stats for students, dependents of students, dependents of those with work visas etc etc
This is one of the more dubious cases arising from the summer riots.
A former boxer prosecuted for saying in a YouTube video that "young white girls are being raped by these grooming gangs". He initially pled not guilty and was remanded in custody without bail in August. After being locked up for months he's eventually pled guilty to a charge of 'sending communication of an offensive nature' and will now be sentenced.
If there is no more context to this case than that presented here it is an outrage. Despite his back record. There might well be such context - we don’t know
Stop flagging you pathetic fools
Heavy-handed treatment of white racists, you seem particularly animated by this issue.
Courts do not remand people in custody awaiting trial without due cause. Therefore there is clearly something in his past record which resulted in him being remanded. Previous convictions would also be taken into account during sentencing. This is established legal precedent which none of you "law and order fans" would be challenging if the person in this case wasn't a white racist (with previous convictions for violence). You were all jubilant when the climate protesters got lengthy prison sentences for their zoom meeting because of their previous convictions for protesting.
They were blocking roads not making comments that have some truth, even if posting them at the time of the riots could have been inflammatory
The other big political argument that Farage is in the process of winning is on immigration.
Everyone from Starmer to the Adam Smith Institute has suddenly changed their tune and decided that we've had far too much of it after years of defending it and arguing that we needed more.
The change isn't quite as sweeping as that. It's just that everybody agrees the late Cons went OTT with 900k net in a year and it needs to come down significantly from there.
There’s been a similar change in sentiment in Canada so I think it’s something more profound than that. People are realising that the economic case for mass immigration doesn’t stack up.
Well it doesn't. But neither does the economic case for low to zero immigration.
Sweden currently has net emigration, so we can run a real-world experiment. Do you predict economic disaster for them?
I don't, no. I predict they will rub along broadly correlated to how the global economy does. Same as most developed countries, regardless of what flavour of government they have.
Bad Governments can truly eff things up for their people though.
As it happens I was looking up some historic exchange rates today in aid of Mrs PtP's tax return, and in looking at the graphs it was very easy to spot Liz Truss's brief tenure.
They are stark raving mad, of all the crap food around they pick porridge, total nutters.
Is porridge commonly advertised to children?
It seems to me that the ban is on 'breakfast cereals', and it's the Metro who have translated that into granola, mueseli, and porridge - but the sort of cereals that are actually advertised to kids are, er, slightly different...
I’m doing my favourite thing. I’m in a car with a private driver taking me across a fabulously exotic country to a famously remote town. In the warm sunshine. In December. On half a tramadol
Are you Chris Pincher
I’ve sussed them.
Shecorns88 and CharlieSharky are not bots from Putin, they are straight out backroom of Labour and Tory Party HQs. Not SovBots, but BritBots.
I say we should leap on, challenge and ridicule everything these bots post, just as we do with the SovBot’s, just to show we are a no spin community of honest free thinkers, disgusted at their attempts to steer us and force the party political narrative on here.
Shecorns might even be Morgan McSweeney himself - though CharlieSharky clearly not (yet) in Kemi’s top team because the posts in here are far sharper and more effective than Kemi is at PMQs.
It’s easy to work this out, as all they post is political spin, when 99% of PB can’t even stay on topic let alone politics. No joining in the puns = weirdo’s. Simples.
Is this MoonRabbit posting or………Columbo !!
😀
I suspect its some some acne ridden intern working at labour hq
Certainly, anyone who was actually born in 1988 has long since learned not to use '88' in their publicly-visible username online...
They are stark raving mad, of all the crap food around they pick porridge, total nutters.
Is porridge commonly advertised to children?
It seems to me that the ban is on 'breakfast cereals', and it's the Metro who have translated that into granola, mueseli, and porridge - but the sort of cereals that are actually advertised to kids are, er, slightly different...
The syrupy instant porridge perhaps is the wrong sort of cereal, but a lot of granola and muesli contains a lot of sugar.
Why on earth have Donald Trump at an event like that? It's meant to be a celebration of elegance and beauty.
As he is the next most powerful man in the world and is a champion of celebrating western nations Christian heritage like Macron, which includes attending events such as the restoration of Notre Dame
Relating to the chart shown below: I am starting to take charts that show a vast discrepancy after 2020 with a certain amount of scepticism. After all, 2020 was not an unusual year in any way, and should feature no discrepancies...
@BorisJohnson won the Brexit referendum by promising control of our borders. And then he did this
So EU migration fell after Brexit as promised, Brexit could only control that not non EU migration anyway.
Non EU migration only started to fall under Rishi not Boris admittedly as the chart shows as he tightened visa wage requirements for non EU migrants and stopped them bringing over dependants
High migration was very much a Tory choice, not something out of their control. For good reasons largely, on students, Hong Kong and Ukraine but those were choices. Lack of infrastructure and housing to accompany that was shameful.
@BorisJohnson won the Brexit referendum by promising control of our borders. And then he did this
So EU migration fell after Brexit as promised, Brexit could only control that not non EU migration anyway.
Non EU migration only started to fall under Rishi not Boris admittedly as the chart shows as he tightened visa wage requirements for non EU migrants and stopped them bringing over dependants
The Tories are doomed if this is going to be the defence of their record on immigration.
@BorisJohnson won the Brexit referendum by promising control of our borders. And then he did this
So EU migration fell after Brexit as promised, Brexit could only control that not non EU migration anyway.
Non EU migration only started to fall under Rishi not Boris admittedly as the chart shows as he tightened visa wage requirements for non EU migrants and stopped them bringing over dependants
The Tories are doomed if this is going to be the defence of their record on immigration.
Boris delivered lower EU immigration but was at fault for higher non EU immigration, as to an extent was Truss.
Rishi wasn't as he cut EU immigration and cut non EU net immigration
Reading comments online about the healthcare CEO who murdered in New York. Zero sympathy, eye-watering savagery from people who have had claims denied, chronic conditions and so on.
@BorisJohnson won the Brexit referendum by promising control of our borders. And then he did this
So EU migration fell after Brexit as promised, Brexit could only control that not non EU migration anyway.
Non EU migration only started to fall under Rishi not Boris admittedly as the chart shows as he tightened visa wage requirements for non EU migrants and stopped them bringing over dependants
The Tories are doomed if this is going to be the defence of their record on immigration.
Boris delivered lower EU immigration but was at fault for higher non EU immigration, as to an extent was Truss.
Rishi wasn't as he cut both
The figure that he "cut" it too would still be in the top 3 years for immigration in British history.
So Ive been through the press in France Germany Italy and Spain and none of them have reported on the world changing events surrounding Greg Wallace.
Do they understand nothing ?
Rather a sadly dismissive post. If a rather forward camp man pulled his todger out, his modesty covered only by a sock, because he thought it might attract your interest, I suspect you would be quite justifiably outraged. Is there a difference?
when did he have his todger out, the fantasies are escalating
Apparently he didn't it was covered by a sock. My mistake.
The thing is that these sorts of actions are on an escalating ladder. Today it is "todger out", but what about tomorrow or next week? When does flashing no longer satisfy and so the perpetrator moves up to assault or rape or murder?
Are we supposed to wait until it gets really, deadly serious?
Which is why corrective actions early on work dividends. A mate saying to a friend: "Oi, no. That's not good," can sometimes change future behaviours. Letting them continue, or even encouraging them, just makes matters worse.
And I know DEI gets a bad press on here, but it's surprising how many people who argue against DEI also don't think @Leon is a racist...
But like leftism.
One minute you’re expressing a mild enthusiasm for the right to join a trade union. Two minutes later, you’ve joined SMERSH and are killing dissidents with ice picks.
Or rightism, in the same manner. But yes, like engineering; the sooner a problem is noted and corrected, the 'cheaper' and less disruptive it is to correct.
Why on earth have Donald Trump at an event like that? It's meant to be a celebration of elegance and beauty.
As he is the next most powerful man in the world and is a champion of celebrating western nations Christian heritage like Macron, which includes attending events such as the restoration of Notre Dame
Christian heritage? How many commandments has he driven a coach and horses through?
Certainly most British voters do not like Trump, however that does not necessarily mean being close to him will be very damaging to Farage.
16% of British voters say they are happy Trump has been elected President again which is actually 2% higher than the 14% who voted Reform in July. However it does put a ceiling on his support if he gets too close to the President elect and makes his aim of becoming next PM and winning most seats at the next GE rather harder
Reading comments online about the healthcare CEO who murdered in New York. Zero sympathy, eye-watering savagery from people who have had claims denied, chronic conditions and so on.
Amazing to watch from a UK perspective.
Americans have never voted for universal public healthcare or even mainly state funded health insurance, he was only providing private health insurance which in the US provides most healthcare by American voters choice
It has been brought to my attention that the pre-Colombian Taino people of Cuba had a mythology which spoke of a strained prehistory where the world was inhabited only by men. Understandably the men grew restive, so the father God of Cassave and the Lady of the Moon sent down some female-like angels
The “women” were very enticing but then the men of Taino discovered that the gods in their foolishness had forgotten to give the “women” any sexual organs
This only added to the frustration of the men of Taino but then someone suggested that they go to the forests and capture many woodpeckers, using these as tools they could then hammer some holes in the angels, between their legs, thereby giving them vaginas
This was done and the reproductive future of the Taino was assured
In unrelated news I have now been in this car for about five hours and I am surely going mad
They are stark raving mad, of all the crap food around they pick porridge, total nutters.
Is porridge commonly advertised to children?
It seems to me that the ban is on 'breakfast cereals', and it's the Metro who have translated that into granola, mueseli, and porridge - but the sort of cereals that are actually advertised to kids are, er, slightly different...
Ready Brek used to be an advertising staple during kids TV. Remember the warm glow around the kids who had eaten Ready Brek that morning?
I said last night that it was a Leon bot and I still think it is. I think manually copied and pasted.
Leon gets to play the role of hating Labour and regretting voting for them, whilst this alt can pick up the baton and carry on supporting them. Quite brilliant, really.
This is one of the more dubious cases arising from the summer riots.
A former boxer prosecuted for saying in a YouTube video that "young white girls are being raped by these grooming gangs". He initially pled not guilty and was remanded in custody without bail in August. After being locked up for months he's eventually pled guilty to a charge of 'sending communication of an offensive nature' and will now be sentenced.
It is impossible to tell from the BBC report what the facts are. The only statement of the defendant quoted is:
"young white girls are being raped by these grooming gangs".
is the sort of statement which put into an appropriate tense and with 'these' contextualised in a way which tends towards truth is sadly 100% true and has been regularly reported in the main stream media. So it's an odd report.
Other data elsewhere suggests he is not an entirely satisfactory person however.
Why on earth have Donald Trump at an event like that? It's meant to be a celebration of elegance and beauty.
As he is the next most powerful man in the world and is a champion of celebrating western nations Christian heritage like Macron, which includes attending events such as the restoration of Notre Dame
Christian heritage? How many commandments has he driven a coach and horses through?
Trump is a cultural Christian of Presbyterian heritage but not a regular church attender other than weddings, baptisms and funerals.
He does though preach the populist and nationalist right message across the West that their nations identity is under threat from secular atheist wokeism and radical Islamism
This is one of the more dubious cases arising from the summer riots.
A former boxer prosecuted for saying in a YouTube video that "young white girls are being raped by these grooming gangs". He initially pled not guilty and was remanded in custody without bail in August. After being locked up for months he's eventually pled guilty to a charge of 'sending communication of an offensive nature' and will now be sentenced.
If there is no more context to this case than that presented here it is an outrage. Despite his back record. There might well be such context - we don’t know
Stop flagging you pathetic fools
There seems to be a new found enthusiasm for flagging posts. I got more last week than I had in the previous years. Now William's post was mind numbingly silly, but certainly not warranting of a flag.
The moderators have stated that a ban will follow the unnecessary use of flagging
I misread that as flogging, and wondered just how far the moderators were going these days.
It has been brought to my attention that the pre-Colombian Taino people of Cuba had a mythology which spoke of a strained prehistory where the world was inhabited only by men. Understandably the men grew restive, so the father God of Cassave and the Lady of the Moon sent down some female-like angels
The “women” were very enticing but then the men of Taino discovered that the gods in their foolishness had forgotten to give the “women” any sexual organs
This only added to the frustration of the men of Taino but then someone suggested that they go to the forests and capture many woodpeckers, using these as tools they could then hammer some holes in the angels, between their legs, thereby giving them vaginas
This was done and the reproductive future of the Taino was assured
In unrelated news I have now been in this car for about five hours and I am surely going mad
So that's how Smurfette came into being... there were no woodpeckers nearby.
I said last night that it was a Leon bot and I still think it is. I think manually copied and pasted.
Leon gets to play the role of hating Labour and regretting voting for them, whilst this alt can pick up the baton and carry on supporting them. Quite brilliant, really.
Don't know about that. I rather like Leon. He's almost always been straighforwards in any discussion I've had with him. Obviously he posts a lot though, and he loves interaction. AI provides interaction, so why not spin it out and see where it goes. The great hope of a love-letter to his bot from me though won't happen
I said last night that it was a Leon bot and I still think it is. I think manually copied and pasted.
Leon gets to play the role of hating Labour and regretting voting for them, whilst this alt can pick up the baton and carry on supporting them. Quite brilliant, really.
Don't know about that. I rather like Leon. He's almost always been straighforwards in any discussion I've had with him. Obviously he posts a lot though, and he loves interaction. AI provides interaction, so why not spin it out and see where it goes. The great hope of a love-letter to his bot from me though won't happen
I could tell almost immediately it was ChatGPT, it just has that style.
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The supermarkets have chosen to make their employees lives progressively worse. Each pay deal comes with small pay increase but hidden changes to conditions. Often grocers are the monopsony employer in small towns/cities and for sure they take advantage of people with nowhere else to go.
* Still poorly paid but with now with added responsibilities...
Somehow though I think most will just stay Brits are lazy despite working more hours than any other country in Europe.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14137559/amp/Gregg-Wallace-allegations-naked-MasterChef-studio.html
Nothing to see here Squire, move along.
BTW - being Irish, I am a bit annoyed about roasties being bad...
Fucking hell I just looked at the list.
So Tea and Coffee are included on the banned list but not alcohol? What fucking numpty dreamt this up?
Also fish fingers and any form of stuffed pasta like ravioli.
Edit scrap baby food. That is already covered by eseparate rules
Therefore there is clearly something in his past record which resulted in him being remanded. Previous convictions would also be taken into account during sentencing.
This is established legal precedent which none of you "law and order fans" would be challenging if the person in this case wasn't a white racist (with previous convictions for violence).
You were all jubilant when the climate protesters got lengthy prison sentences for their zoom meeting because of their previous convictions for protesting.
Apparently having some social context in a new role is important.
Are we supposed to wait until it gets really, deadly serious?
288 votes are needed for the motion to be adopted and the government to collapse.
In total, more than 320 MPs have already committed to voting for no-confidence - so even if a handful change their minds, the motion should garner more than the required total."
BBC expects Barnier to go.
A christmas meal consisting of a raw turnip with a garnish of grated carrot.
This isn't just Christmas, this is a Labour Christmas.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/12/04/blackpool-overtakes-glasgow-lowest-male-life-expectancy/
Chronicle of a Bet Foretold
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The Ideas series
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The Measurement series
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Other
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Bear in mind the number of comments is proportional to the time the article is up and the time comments are closed, and I think this has changed since OGH passed the torch to the mods. Consequently comparison with past times may not be meaningful.
eta: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/12/04/russian-money-laundering-network-downfall/
Trump is an utter assh*le and the Yanks were off their heads voting for him, however I look forward with anticipation to watching their reactions as they discover what a monster they put into the Whitehouse.
Does PB have a market for the date of the Second American Revolution?
My music teacher sent me to detention many times (unfairly) and each time I had to write that 600 times
More pertinently my ire was directed at the ludicrous “flagging” of @williamglenn as if, in merely noting this case, he’s broken some rule and should be censored or banned. Farcical
1200 times please.
Similar to the confusion around Neil Armstrong and his "one small step..."
There seems to be a new found enthusiasm for flagging posts. I got more last week than I had in the previous years. Now William's post was mind numbingly silly, but certainly not warranting of a flag.
I actually mastered the technique of using 3 pencils at once
https://the1940sexperiment.com/2016/03/13/the-original-lord-woolton-pie-recipe-no-151/
This can get you an awful lot of seats under FPTP for just 33.7% of the vote, or even for 12.2%.
When you go up just 0.6% from last election yet go from 11 to 72 seats, up just 1.6% and add 211, or get 14.3% of votes for just 5 seats, it’s stark it’s not party politics, it’s like minded on election outcome voting blocks, voting interchangeable in FPTP.
I suspect if Reform support went from 14.3 to 0 at next GE, Conservatives shouldn’t expect anything near 14.3% uplift in their own vote - much of that 14.3 came from what voters had been telling pollsters would be Labour vote for much last 2 years of the last parliament. If i’m right, what has been appeal of the populist right wing party to those voters - or merely a protest vote, not real support for right of centre?
Psephology should pursue why LLG thought same about outcome they wanted in 2024, and measure how this moves now in coming years to predict the next result in advance. At same time the flip side, why doesn’t anyone, including Conservatives, lend their vote to help Reform?
For example: do you attract the conservative minded, if seen as populist? Can you even be populist and Conservative at the same time? That’s a key question for Badenoch’s Tories, especially if Conservatives, now free from government for five long years, want the 8.4 drop in turnout lifting their share next time.
Let me answer by introducing the magic phrase our psephology needs to apply more seriously in this era - spectral-syncretic politics. Without shadow of doubt Starmer’s government is pursuing fiscal conservatism, welfare to workfare reform and deregulation - so two Clintonesque periods of Labour government in a row, a lot of psephology may still have a mindset stuck in pre 97 past about Labour and missing that if Badenoch messes up the “can you be populist and conservative at the same time” teaser, Labour and Lib Dem’s will mop up even more new votes.
It could be for pretending it's free speech in general you're passionate about rather than free speech from the right. But whatever, it shouldn't have happened. Let's save flags for the really bad stuff or they get devalued.
And I know DEI gets a bad press on here, but it's surprising how many people who argue against DEI also don't think @Leon is a racist...
16% of British voters say they are happy Trump has been elected President again which is actually 2% higher than the 14% who voted Reform in July. However it does put a ceiling on his support if he gets too close to the President elect and makes his aim of becoming next PM and winning most seats at the next GE rather harder
(I know it's out of RCS and the mod's hands, but perhaps Vanilla would like to put a 'Are you sure?' question before the flag is logged, especially as I've accidentally pressed it on my mobile in the past, and only noticed because the post was flagged but not liked. Fat finger syndrome...
Not all Reform voters are ex Tories but in July a clear plurality were. They are now making inroads with Labour voters and the more they do that the more that starts to help the Tories under FPTP (as long as they don't make so many inroads with Labour voters they take the lead in the polls in which case it would be Farage heading for most seats not Badenoch)
One minute you’re expressing a mild enthusiasm for the right to join a trade union. Two minutes later, you’ve joined SMERSH and are killing dissidents with ice picks.
Non EU migration only started to fall under Rishi not Boris admittedly as the chart shows as he tightened visa wage requirements for non EU migrants and stopped them bringing over dependants
As it happens I was looking up some historic exchange rates today in aid of Mrs PtP's tax return, and in looking at the graphs it was very easy to spot Liz Truss's brief tenure.
It seems to me that the ban is on 'breakfast cereals', and it's the Metro who have translated that into granola, mueseli, and porridge - but the sort of cereals that are actually advertised to kids are, er, slightly different...
Leon doesn't actually have any firm political views so it makes sense.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/czjd92z22yno
Rishi wasn't as he cut EU immigration and cut non EU net immigration
Amazing to watch from a UK perspective.
The “women” were very enticing but then the men of Taino discovered that the gods in their foolishness had forgotten to give the “women” any sexual organs
This only added to the frustration of the men of Taino but then someone suggested that they go to the forests and capture many woodpeckers, using these as tools they could then hammer some holes in the angels, between their legs, thereby giving them vaginas
This was done and the reproductive future of the Taino was assured
In unrelated news I have now been in this car for about five hours and I am surely going mad
"young white girls are being raped by these grooming gangs".
is the sort of statement which put into an appropriate tense and with 'these' contextualised in a way which tends towards truth is sadly 100% true and has been regularly reported in the main stream media. So it's an odd report.
Other data elsewhere suggests he is not an entirely satisfactory person however.
He does though preach the populist and nationalist right message across the West that their nations identity is under threat from secular atheist wokeism and radical Islamism
Plan for 'highly visible' phone mast to be decided
This is exactly the kind of thing that the locals need to be told "too bad" and build it anyway.