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Brits really do not like the odious Trump – politicalbetting.com

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edited December 17 in General
Brits really do not like the odious Trump – politicalbetting.com

16% of Britons say they are *happy* that Donald Trump has been re-elected US president – we asked them to tell us, in their own words, whyPrefer to Harris/Biden/Dems: 18%Strong leader/gets things done: 16%Will end/prevent wars: 14%Is not woke: 7%Immigration: 7%? Full list… pic.twitter.com/CC6tYSxO0x

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  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,268
    This is one of the more dubious cases arising from the summer riots.

    A former boxer prosecuted for saying in a YouTube video that "young white girls are being raped by these grooming gangs". He initially pled not guilty and was remanded in custody without bail in August. After being locked up for months he's eventually pled guilty to a charge of 'sending communication of an offensive nature' and will now be sentenced.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce328p9330eo
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,888
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,888
    edited December 4

    This is one of the more dubious cases arising from the summer riots.

    A former boxer prosecuted for saying in a YouTube video that "young white girls are being raped by these grooming gangs". He initially pled not guilty and was remanded in custody without bail in August. After being locked up for months he's eventually pled guilty to a charge of 'sending communication of an offensive nature' and will now be sentenced.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce328p9330eo

    Why did he post such a statement under the circumstances of the murder of the little girls in Southport/riots? Was it to inform or incite?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,877
    edited December 4
    FPT:
    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Difficult to disagree with this.

    "Hunter Biden’s pardon is the death rattle of the elites
    President Biden’s pardoning of his son shatters the moral pretensions of the establishment.
    Brendan O'Neill"

    https://www.spiked-online.com/2024/12/02/hunter-bidens-pardon-is-the-death-rattle-of-the-elites/

    Was it the death rattle of the elites when Trump pardoned people?
    Dodgy pardons have been happening forever.

    It goes at least as far back as Ford pardoning Nixon in the 1970s.

    Here's the Wikipedia selected list. The Hunter Biden one is mild. It's a corrupt element of a signficantly corrupted system.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_pardoned_or_granted_clemency_by_the_president_of_the_United_States

    The quite convincing argument I have seen for Biden issuing pardons not just to Hunter Biden but also to all the people Trump says are on the "list" he will target using the DoJ such as Judges, Investigators, Prosecutors, Witnesses etc is because if Biden issues broad pardons to them all it will protect them from Trump's illegitimate attempts at revenge.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,877
    Thanks for the header.

    It's interesting to see what has cut through to the making-money-from-Yougov community !
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,433
    Aleppo airport looks a bit of a mess.

    https://x.com/Tendar/status/1864247719922897197

    (Many of those damaged planes will be 'old' damage)
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,433

    So Ive been through the press in France Germany Italy and Spain and none of them have reported on the world changing events surrounding Greg Wallace.

    Do they understand nothing ?

    They're too busy navel-gazing at their own local stories to bother with such internationally critical news.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,609
    edited December 4

    So Ive been through the press in France Germany Italy and Spain and none of them have reported on the world changing events surrounding Greg Wallace.

    Do they understand nothing ?

    They're too busy navel-gazing at their own local stories to bother with such internationally critical news.
    France is about to vote against Barnier and I expect the French are entirely concentrating on their own chaos

    Result due in an hour or so
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,632

    So Ive been through the press in France Germany Italy and Spain and none of them have reported on the world changing events surrounding Greg Wallace.

    Do they understand nothing ?

    If there was a similar scandal re "Meisterkoch" I bet there'd be plenty in the German media.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,945
    No confidence debate has started in France. Marine Le Pen speaking at the moment.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/ckgxw9wj241t#player
  • This is one of the more dubious cases arising from the summer riots.

    A former boxer prosecuted for saying in a YouTube video that "young white girls are being raped by these grooming gangs". He initially pled not guilty and was remanded in custody without bail in August. After being locked up for months he's eventually pled guilty to a charge of 'sending communication of an offensive nature' and will now be sentenced.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce328p9330eo

    Heggie seems a nice bloke.

    As for Heggie, the National Crime Agency of the United Kingdom said Heggie was convicted of sexual assault on 10 Aug 2005 and committed several other sex crimes, including raping a domestic partner in 2018 and an ex-partner in 2013. He also allegedly engaged in sexual activity with a minor.

    UK authorities warned the BI that Heggie is known to be violent, with an extensive criminal history that includes different types of sexual abuse, damage to property, possession of narcotic substances, among other grave offenses. Both aliens are temporarily detained at the BI office in Mandaue City pending their transfer to the BI warden facility in Camp Bagong Diwa, Taguig City.


    https://immigration.gov.ph/bi-nabs-us-british-pedophiles-in-cebu/
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,888
    edited December 4

    So Ive been through the press in France Germany Italy and Spain and none of them have reported on the world changing events surrounding Greg Wallace.

    Do they understand nothing ?

    Rather a sadly dismissive post. If a rather forward camp man pulled his todger out, his modesty covered only by a sock, because he thought it might attract your interest, I suspect you would be quite justifiably outraged. Is there a difference?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,609
    edited December 4
    I think we all know Trump is toxic but how his Presidency plays out goodness knows

    France in a mess but Macron invites Trump to attend the reopening of the Notre -Dame

    The response by the French to Trump's presence will be interesting

    https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-attend-notre-dame-cathedral-reopening-first-foreign-trip-since-election-2024-12-03/
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,268

    I think we all know Trump is toxic but how his Presidency plays out goodness knows

    France in a mess but Macron invites Trump to attend the reopening of the Notre -Dame

    The response by the French to Trump's presence will be interesting

    It will make a big difference that Trump's legitimacy is no longer contested in the way that it was after Hillary Clinton blamed her defeat on Russia, which drew European elites into taking sides in partisan US politics.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,888
    edited December 4

    This is one of the more dubious cases arising from the summer riots.

    A former boxer prosecuted for saying in a YouTube video that "young white girls are being raped by these grooming gangs". He initially pled not guilty and was remanded in custody without bail in August. After being locked up for months he's eventually pled guilty to a charge of 'sending communication of an offensive nature' and will now be sentenced.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce328p9330eo

    Heggie seems a nice bloke.

    As for Heggie, the National Crime Agency of the United Kingdom said Heggie was convicted of sexual assault on 10 Aug 2005 and committed several other sex crimes, including raping a domestic partner in 2018 and an ex-partner in 2013. He also allegedly engaged in sexual activity with a minor.

    UK authorities warned the BI that Heggie is known to be violent, with an extensive criminal history that includes different types of sexual abuse, damage to property, possession of narcotic substances, among other grave offenses. Both aliens are temporarily detained at the BI office in Mandaue City pending their transfer to the BI warden facility in Camp Bagong Diwa, Taguig City.


    https://immigration.gov.ph/bi-nabs-us-british-pedophiles-in-cebu/
    William's defence of those inciting riots by crying foul over the conviction of an absolute **** isn't really a very impressive justification of racist ***** who incite riots.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 28,394

    This is one of the more dubious cases arising from the summer riots.

    A former boxer prosecuted for saying in a YouTube video that "young white girls are being raped by these grooming gangs". He initially pled not guilty and was remanded in custody without bail in August. After being locked up for months he's eventually pled guilty to a charge of 'sending communication of an offensive nature' and will now be sentenced.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce328p9330eo

    Heggie seems a nice bloke.

    As for Heggie, the National Crime Agency of the United Kingdom said Heggie was convicted of sexual assault on 10 Aug 2005 and committed several other sex crimes, including raping a domestic partner in 2018 and an ex-partner in 2013. He also allegedly engaged in sexual activity with a minor.

    UK authorities warned the BI that Heggie is known to be violent, with an extensive criminal history that includes different types of sexual abuse, damage to property, possession of narcotic substances, among other grave offenses. Both aliens are temporarily detained at the BI office in Mandaue City pending their transfer to the BI warden facility in Camp Bagong Diwa, Taguig City.


    https://immigration.gov.ph/bi-nabs-us-british-pedophiles-in-cebu/
    William's defence of those inciting riots by crying foul over the conviction of an absolute **** isn't really a very impressive justification of racist ***** who incite riots.
    The criminal justice system should play the ball, not the man.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,928
    In spite of himself Trump might actually turn out to be better on Ukraine than Biden. I presume Jake Sullivan has a high IQ, as he appears to have no idea when it comes to real world problems.

    The Russian stock market was down another 2% today and back down to the lows of last Wednesday's panic.
  • This is one of the more dubious cases arising from the summer riots.

    A former boxer prosecuted for saying in a YouTube video that "young white girls are being raped by these grooming gangs". He initially pled not guilty and was remanded in custody without bail in August. After being locked up for months he's eventually pled guilty to a charge of 'sending communication of an offensive nature' and will now be sentenced.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce328p9330eo

    You know damn well that wouldn't have been the only thing he said. Videos is a plural.
    Did you hire a cherry-picker to pick that cherry?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,632

    I think we all know Trump is toxic but how his Presidency plays out goodness knows

    France in a mess but Macron invites Trump to attend the reopening of the Notre -Dame

    The response by the French to Trump's presence will be interesting

    https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-attend-notre-dame-cathedral-reopening-first-foreign-trip-since-election-2024-12-03/

    Why on earth have Donald Trump at an event like that? It's meant to be a celebration of elegance and beauty.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,082

    This is one of the more dubious cases arising from the summer riots.

    A former boxer prosecuted for saying in a YouTube video that "young white girls are being raped by these grooming gangs". He initially pled not guilty and was remanded in custody without bail in August. After being locked up for months he's eventually pled guilty to a charge of 'sending communication of an offensive nature' and will now be sentenced.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce328p9330eo

    Heggie seems a nice bloke.

    As for Heggie, the National Crime Agency of the United Kingdom said Heggie was convicted of sexual assault on 10 Aug 2005 and committed several other sex crimes, including raping a domestic partner in 2018 and an ex-partner in 2013. He also allegedly engaged in sexual activity with a minor.

    UK authorities warned the BI that Heggie is known to be violent, with an extensive criminal history that includes different types of sexual abuse, damage to property, possession of narcotic substances, among other grave offenses. Both aliens are temporarily detained at the BI office in Mandaue City pending their transfer to the BI warden facility in Camp Bagong Diwa, Taguig City.


    https://immigration.gov.ph/bi-nabs-us-british-pedophiles-in-cebu/
    William's defence of those inciting riots by crying foul over the conviction of an absolute **** isn't really a very impressive justification of racist ***** who incite riots.
    After the 27th occurence of

    1) "Someone was sent to prison for 16 years for saying the word 'lemon' "
    2) Turns out that the backstory is that that they were setting fire to immigrants at the time

    You'd think that learning would occur, wouldn't you?
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,792

    So Ive been through the press in France Germany Italy and Spain and none of them have reported on the world changing events surrounding Greg Wallace.

    Do they understand nothing ?

    Rather a sadly dismissive post. If a rather forward camp man pulled his todger out, his modesty covered only by a sock, because he thought it might attract your interest, I suspect you would be quite justifiably outraged. Is there a difference?
    Ive seen lots of todgers over the years it doesnt upset me.

    Total dorkhead Rachel Reeves being Chancellor, now thats an outrage.
    Have you ever been similarly acquainted with punctuation?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,888

    I think we all know Trump is toxic but how his Presidency plays out goodness knows

    France in a mess but Macron invites Trump to attend the reopening of the Notre -Dame

    The response by the French to Trump's presence will be interesting

    https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-attend-notre-dame-cathedral-reopening-first-foreign-trip-since-election-2024-12-03/

    Sadiq Khan has an inflatable he can lend the French for the visit.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,268

    This is one of the more dubious cases arising from the summer riots.

    A former boxer prosecuted for saying in a YouTube video that "young white girls are being raped by these grooming gangs". He initially pled not guilty and was remanded in custody without bail in August. After being locked up for months he's eventually pled guilty to a charge of 'sending communication of an offensive nature' and will now be sentenced.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce328p9330eo

    You know damn well that wouldn't have been the only thing he said. Videos is a plural.
    Did you hire a cherry-picker to pick that cherry?
    It was the quote cherry-picked by the BBC, not me.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,082

    So Ive been through the press in France Germany Italy and Spain and none of them have reported on the world changing events surrounding Greg Wallace.

    Do they understand nothing ?

    Rather a sadly dismissive post. If a rather forward camp man pulled his todger out, his modesty covered only by a sock, because he thought it might attract your interest, I suspect you would be quite justifiably outraged. Is there a difference?
    Ive seen lots of todgers over the years it doesnt upset me.

    Total dorkhead Rachel Reeves being Chancellor, now thats an outrage.
    Have you ever been similarly acquainted with punctuation?
    A colon did something terrible to me, once.....
  • Anyway - has anyone else experienced the grape shortages in our supermarkets

    Asda have apologised and apparently Tesco are also having issues

    It appears to be weather related in Italy, Spain and Greece
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,082

    This is one of the more dubious cases arising from the summer riots.

    A former boxer prosecuted for saying in a YouTube video that "young white girls are being raped by these grooming gangs". He initially pled not guilty and was remanded in custody without bail in August. After being locked up for months he's eventually pled guilty to a charge of 'sending communication of an offensive nature' and will now be sentenced.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce328p9330eo

    You know damn well that wouldn't have been the only thing he said. Videos is a plural.
    Did you hire a cherry-picker to pick that cherry?
    More importantly, if he used a cherry-picker to pick a cherry, did he do the training course? Put out the cones? Wear Hi-Viz?
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,792
    There are many Trumpian arse-lickers right here on PB, the proportion much greater than the population at large.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,928

    This is one of the more dubious cases arising from the summer riots.

    A former boxer prosecuted for saying in a YouTube video that "young white girls are being raped by these grooming gangs". He initially pled not guilty and was remanded in custody without bail in August. After being locked up for months he's eventually pled guilty to a charge of 'sending communication of an offensive nature' and will now be sentenced.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce328p9330eo

    Why did he post such a statement under the circumstances of the murder of the little girls in Southport/riots? Was it to inform or incite?
    He may be a hideous man but I'm sorry, if that is really what he has been done for, it is a disgrace. 'Sending communication of an offensive nature' is almost Constable Savage level. Anyway it looks like for Farage the criminal justice system is the gift that keeps on giving. It's amazing how all you anti Farage people don't get that.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,792

    Anyway - has anyone else experienced the grape shortages in our supermarkets

    Asda have apologised and apparently Tesco are also having issues

    It appears to be weather related in Italy, Spain and Greece

    Stop wining.
  • kinabalu said:

    I think we all know Trump is toxic but how his Presidency plays out goodness knows

    France in a mess but Macron invites Trump to attend the reopening of the Notre -Dame

    The response by the French to Trump's presence will be interesting

    https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-attend-notre-dame-cathedral-reopening-first-foreign-trip-since-election-2024-12-03/

    Why on earth have Donald Trump at an event like that? It's meant to be a celebration of elegance and beauty.
    Apparently Trump has praised Macron
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,082
    edited December 4

    There are many Trumpian arse-lickers right here on PB, the proportion much greater than the population at large.

    Shall we count them?

    According to that poll, 1 in 5?
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,895
    This is really interesting work on weather forecasting using machine learning algorithms.

    https://www.theguardian.com/science/2024/dec/04/google-deepmind-predicts-weather-more-accurately-than-leading-system

    But, it's not AI. In many ways it's a return to older statistical methods of weather forecasting, but using stick a large number of parameters that it gets much better results.

    The really interesting thing would be looking at how such a system coped with a situation that was different and extreme, outside of its training data.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,082

    kinabalu said:

    I think we all know Trump is toxic but how his Presidency plays out goodness knows

    France in a mess but Macron invites Trump to attend the reopening of the Notre -Dame

    The response by the French to Trump's presence will be interesting

    https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-attend-notre-dame-cathedral-reopening-first-foreign-trip-since-election-2024-12-03/

    Why on earth have Donald Trump at an event like that? It's meant to be a celebration of elegance and beauty.
    Apparently Trump has praised Macron
    It is exactly the right thing to do - to treat him normally. He can shit on a chair and listen to speeches.

    The alternative is to kick off a pointless spat with him.
  • This shift on immigration from Labour is really intriguing and the fact they’ve done it so early suggests they think it’s a major problem area but also one they feel they can tackle.

    I do think if they manage to cut immigration next year and the next they’ll be perceived quite differently.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,928

    This is one of the more dubious cases arising from the summer riots.

    A former boxer prosecuted for saying in a YouTube video that "young white girls are being raped by these grooming gangs". He initially pled not guilty and was remanded in custody without bail in August. After being locked up for months he's eventually pled guilty to a charge of 'sending communication of an offensive nature' and will now be sentenced.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce328p9330eo

    You know damn well that wouldn't have been the only thing he said. Videos is a plural.
    Did you hire a cherry-picker to pick that cherry?
    You can't really blame him when the national broadcaster reports it that way.
  • Anyway - has anyone else experienced the grape shortages in our supermarkets

    Asda have apologised and apparently Tesco are also having issues

    It appears to be weather related in Italy, Spain and Greece

    Stop wining.
    Is that your answer?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,877
    edited December 4
    I'm sure someone asked about Angus steakhouses.

    It seems they are being ramped by the French in reviews to drive food tourists to take refuge in Paris :smile: .

    Gary Eats a £50 steak ... and has a sore jaw ... eventually.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAIhplLRRgM
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,888
    edited December 4

    This is one of the more dubious cases arising from the summer riots.

    A former boxer prosecuted for saying in a YouTube video that "young white girls are being raped by these grooming gangs". He initially pled not guilty and was remanded in custody without bail in August. After being locked up for months he's eventually pled guilty to a charge of 'sending communication of an offensive nature' and will now be sentenced.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce328p9330eo

    Why did he post such a statement under the circumstances of the murder of the little girls in Southport/riots? Was it to inform or incite?
    He may be a hideous man but I'm sorry, if that is really what he has been done for, it is a disgrace. 'Sending communication of an offensive nature' is almost Constable Savage level. Anyway it looks like for Farage the criminal justice system is the gift that keeps on giving. It's amazing how all you anti Farage people don't get that.
    If I'd been in a position of authority a national figure inciting unrest by quoting Andrew Tate's bullshit should have had his collar felt by plod too.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,514

    So Ive been through the press in France Germany Italy and Spain and none of them have reported on the world changing events surrounding Greg Wallace.

    Do they understand nothing ?

    Rather a sadly dismissive post. If a rather forward camp man pulled his todger out, his modesty covered only by a sock, because he thought it might attract your interest, I suspect you would be quite justifiably outraged. Is there a difference?
    Ive seen lots of todgers over the years it doesnt upset me.

    Total dorkhead Rachel Reeves being Chancellor, now thats an outrage.
    Have you ever been similarly acquainted with punctuation?
    Not only have I been acquainted with it but I am acquainted in four languages.

    But I cant be arsed
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,945
    edited December 4

    This shift on immigration from Labour is really intriguing and the fact they’ve done it so early suggests they think it’s a major problem area but also one they feel they can tackle.

    I do think if they manage to cut immigration next year and the next they’ll be perceived quite differently.

    The main difference is that officialdom is more likely to do what it's told on immigration from Labour ministers than they were with Conservatives ones. So they could well make more progress on the subject than the Tories did.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,330

    kinabalu said:

    I think we all know Trump is toxic but how his Presidency plays out goodness knows

    France in a mess but Macron invites Trump to attend the reopening of the Notre -Dame

    The response by the French to Trump's presence will be interesting

    https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-attend-notre-dame-cathedral-reopening-first-foreign-trip-since-election-2024-12-03/

    Why on earth have Donald Trump at an event like that? It's meant to be a celebration of elegance and beauty.
    Apparently Trump has praised Macron
    It is exactly the right thing to do - to treat him normally. He can shit on a chair and listen to speeches.

    The alternative is to kick off a pointless spat with him.
    I'm getting bizarre vibes of the old rag mag joke about Mozart's last movement being found under the piano stool. Presumably unintentional?
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,792

    Anyway - has anyone else experienced the grape shortages in our supermarkets

    Asda have apologised and apparently Tesco are also having issues

    It appears to be weather related in Italy, Spain and Greece

    Stop wining.
    Is that your answer?
    It was a pun!
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,433

    So Ive been through the press in France Germany Italy and Spain and none of them have reported on the world changing events surrounding Greg Wallace.

    Do they understand nothing ?

    They're too busy navel-gazing at their own local stories to bother with such internationally critical news.
    France is about to vote against Barnier and I expect the French are entirely concentrating on their own chaos

    Result due in an hour or so
    Bah. That's minor stuff compared to The Gregg...
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,888

    Anyway - has anyone else experienced the grape shortages in our supermarkets

    Asda have apologised and apparently Tesco are also having issues

    It appears to be weather related in Italy, Spain and Greece

    Stop wining.
    Is that your answer?
    It's a joke!
  • Anyway - has anyone else experienced the grape shortages in our supermarkets

    Asda have apologised and apparently Tesco are also having issues

    It appears to be weather related in Italy, Spain and Greece

    Stop wining.
    Is that your answer?
    It's a joke!
    I know
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,928

    This is one of the more dubious cases arising from the summer riots.

    A former boxer prosecuted for saying in a YouTube video that "young white girls are being raped by these grooming gangs". He initially pled not guilty and was remanded in custody without bail in August. After being locked up for months he's eventually pled guilty to a charge of 'sending communication of an offensive nature' and will now be sentenced.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce328p9330eo

    Why did he post such a statement under the circumstances of the murder of the little girls in Southport/riots? Was it to inform or incite?
    He may be a hideous man but I'm sorry, if that is really what he has been done for, it is a disgrace. 'Sending communication of an offensive nature' is almost Constable Savage level. Anyway it looks like for Farage the criminal justice system is the gift that keeps on giving. It's amazing how all you anti Farage people don't get that.
    If I'd been in a position of authority a national figure inciting unrest by quoting Andrew Tate's bullshit should have had his collar felt by plod too.
    Do you want a police state?

    And what about people who spread untruths regards say BLM protests? Should they be sent to prison? Or is it just certain types of unrest that you are bothered with?
  • Anyway - has anyone else experienced the grape shortages in our supermarkets

    Asda have apologised and apparently Tesco are also having issues

    It appears to be weather related in Italy, Spain and Greece

    Stop wining.
    Is that your answer?
    It was a pun!
    At least it's not cash !!!!!
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 620
    Andy_JS said:

    This shift on immigration from Labour is really intriguing and the fact they’ve done it so early suggests they think it’s a major problem area but also one they feel they can tackle.

    I do think if they manage to cut immigration next year and the next they’ll be perceived quite differently.

    The main difference is that officialdom is more likely to do what it's told on immigration from Labour ministers than they were with Conservatives ones. So they could well make more progress on the subject than the Tories did.
    They were doing what the conservatives told them to do, delay everything, that's why it got in such a mess.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,069

    There are many Trumpian arse-lickers right here on PB, the proportion much greater than the population at large.

    Who? Honestly, who? There are, what, 150-odd regular posters here. I'd struggle to pick three who are regularly supportive. Not being furiously critical all the time does not count as being supportive.
  • PJHPJH Posts: 689
    Andy_JS said:

    This shift on immigration from Labour is really intriguing and the fact they’ve done it so early suggests they think it’s a major problem area but also one they feel they can tackle.

    I do think if they manage to cut immigration next year and the next they’ll be perceived quite differently.

    The main difference is that officialdom is more likely to do what it's told on immigration from Labour ministers than they were with Conservatives ones. So they could well make more progress on the subject than the Tories did.
    Why do you think that? And why do you think they weren't doing as they were told by the previous administration (which is what I think you're implying)?

    FWIW from my involvement with projects inside government, is that the Civil Service implements what it is told to do, albeit slowly.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,608
    MattW said:

    It is going to be quite close in Congress.

    Final balance seems to be 220 Republican vs 215 Democrat.

    Plus Trump is appointing one to his Cabinet, and Matt Gaetz ran away.

    So even narrower until they are replaced in special elections.

    Congress will soon be missing three Republicans:

    Matt Gaetz who has already resigned
    Elise Stefanik who is becoming Ambassador to the UN
    Mike Waltz who is becoming National Security Advisor

    Of these, Elise Stefanik's seat in New York *might* be vulnerable in the event of low turnout.

  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,928

    I disagree with TSE.

    I think the end result of Farage's continuing support for Trump is that he will eventually convince most Tories likewise. Farage is, after all, the politician most responsible for taking the idea of Britain leaving the EU from the extreme margins to winning a referendum and our current reality.

    I disagree with a lot of what Farage stands for, his willingness to divide people and to insult and ridicule normal people who want to do their best. But he realises that the central task of a politician is to change people's minds by successfully advocating for his beliefs, while every other politician is so paralysed by fear at losing public support that they don't even try, or they're so convinced of their moral superiority that they're offended by the notion that they might have to argue their case.

    Leaving the EU was not on the extreme margins. The point was that none of the party leaderships agreed with it.
  • In spite of himself Trump might actually turn out to be better on Ukraine than Biden. I presume Jake Sullivan has a high IQ, as he appears to have no idea when it comes to real world problems.

    The Russian stock market was down another 2% today and back down to the lows of last Wednesday's panic.

    I had no idea there was a Russian Stock Market. Who on earth buys Russian Stock?

    Most Russians wouldn't buy anything Russian if they could avoid it.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,945
    "Lockdown broke will to work, says former Waitrose boss
    New research shows that British employees are among the world’s least happy
    Szu Ping Chan
    Economics Editor"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/12/03/lockdown-broke-will-to-work-former-waitrose-boss-lord-price/
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,888
    edited December 4

    This is one of the more dubious cases arising from the summer riots.

    A former boxer prosecuted for saying in a YouTube video that "young white girls are being raped by these grooming gangs". He initially pled not guilty and was remanded in custody without bail in August. After being locked up for months he's eventually pled guilty to a charge of 'sending communication of an offensive nature' and will now be sentenced.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce328p9330eo

    Why did he post such a statement under the circumstances of the murder of the little girls in Southport/riots? Was it to inform or incite?
    He may be a hideous man but I'm sorry, if that is really what he has been done for, it is a disgrace. 'Sending communication of an offensive nature' is almost Constable Savage level. Anyway it looks like for Farage the criminal justice system is the gift that keeps on giving. It's amazing how all you anti Farage people don't get that.
    If I'd been in a position of authority a national figure inciting unrest by quoting Andrew Tate's bullshit should have had his collar felt by plod too.
    Do you want a police state?

    And what about people who spread untruths regards say BLM protests? Should they be sent to prison? Or is it just certain types of unrest that you are bothered with?
    No, but people potentially being burned alive in a Holiday Inn Express because some twat quoted Andrew Tate bollocks on X deserves a slap.

    Equally people wearing a kippah should be allowed to go about their business unhindered. Anyone impeding them because they don't like Bibi's government should also face the full force of the law.

    This isn't be a right/ left thing. It's about right and wrong.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,972

    This is one of the more dubious cases arising from the summer riots.

    A former boxer prosecuted for saying in a YouTube video that "young white girls are being raped by these grooming gangs". He initially pled not guilty and was remanded in custody without bail in August. After being locked up for months he's eventually pled guilty to a charge of 'sending communication of an offensive nature' and will now be sentenced.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce328p9330eo

    Heggie seems a nice bloke.

    As for Heggie, the National Crime Agency of the United Kingdom said Heggie was convicted of sexual assault on 10 Aug 2005 and committed several other sex crimes, including raping a domestic partner in 2018 and an ex-partner in 2013. He also allegedly engaged in sexual activity with a minor.

    UK authorities warned the BI that Heggie is known to be violent, with an extensive criminal history that includes different types of sexual abuse, damage to property, possession of narcotic substances, among other grave offenses. Both aliens are temporarily detained at the BI office in Mandaue City pending their transfer to the BI warden facility in Camp Bagong Diwa, Taguig City.


    https://immigration.gov.ph/bi-nabs-us-british-pedophiles-in-cebu/
    It’s always the ones you least expect.
  • PJHPJH Posts: 689
    Cookie said:

    There are many Trumpian arse-lickers right here on PB, the proportion much greater than the population at large.

    Who? Honestly, who? There are, what, 150-odd regular posters here. I'd struggle to pick three who are regularly supportive. Not being furiously critical all the time does not count as being supportive.
    I agree with that as someone who is a polar opposite to Trump politically (and personally, I hope!) as it is possible to be. There are almost no regular posters who support him.
  • So Ive been through the press in France Germany Italy and Spain and none of them have reported on the world changing events surrounding Greg Wallace.

    Do they understand nothing ?

    Rather a sadly dismissive post. If a rather forward camp man pulled his todger out, his modesty covered only by a sock, because he thought it might attract your interest, I suspect you would be quite justifiably outraged. Is there a difference?
    Ive seen lots of todgers over the years it doesnt upset me.

    Total dorkhead Rachel Reeves being Chancellor, now thats an outrage.
    Careful, Alan. The PB Pedantry Police are on the prowl.

    Spooky.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,268

    I disagree with TSE.

    I think the end result of Farage's continuing support for Trump is that he will eventually convince most Tories likewise. Farage is, after all, the politician most responsible for taking the idea of Britain leaving the EU from the extreme margins to winning a referendum and our current reality.

    I disagree with a lot of what Farage stands for, his willingness to divide people and to insult and ridicule normal people who want to do their best. But he realises that the central task of a politician is to change people's minds by successfully advocating for his beliefs, while every other politician is so paralysed by fear at losing public support that they don't even try, or they're so convinced of their moral superiority that they're offended by the notion that they might have to argue their case.

    Leaving the EU was not on the extreme margins. The point was that none of the party leaderships agreed with it.
    I'm not sure I'd agree with that. Euroscepticism used to be more about opposition to federalism or the single currency. It took a long time for leaving altogether to become a mainstream position.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,888
    Andy_JS said:

    "Lockdown broke will to work, says former Waitrose boss
    New research shows that British employees are among the world’s least happy
    Szu Ping Chan
    Economics Editor"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/12/03/lockdown-broke-will-to-work-former-waitrose-boss-lord-price/

    Well we aren't as industrious as we used to be, writing bollocks on PB all day long. And I don't buy multi-tasking.
  • Anyway - has anyone else experienced the grape shortages in our supermarkets

    Asda have apologised and apparently Tesco are also having issues

    It appears to be weather related in Italy, Spain and Greece

    It's the first year in eight that we have had no worthwhile grapes from the vines in our garden here in Gloucestershire.

    I blame the Government.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,877
    rcs1000 said:

    MattW said:

    It is going to be quite close in Congress.

    Final balance seems to be 220 Republican vs 215 Democrat.

    Plus Trump is appointing one to his Cabinet, and Matt Gaetz ran away.

    So even narrower until they are replaced in special elections.

    Congress will soon be missing three Republicans:

    Matt Gaetz who has already resigned
    Elise Stefanik who is becoming Ambassador to the UN
    Mike Waltz who is becoming National Security Advisor

    Of these, Elise Stefanik's seat in New York *might* be vulnerable in the event of low turnout.

    Yes. But the period from early January for (iirc) 1-3 months is going to be squeaky-bum time for the Republicans trying to get things through.

    It's much narrower than previously, and we know how 'interesting' that became. After the special elections (ie byelections in English English) it may still be narrower than previously.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,082

    This is one of the more dubious cases arising from the summer riots.

    A former boxer prosecuted for saying in a YouTube video that "young white girls are being raped by these grooming gangs". He initially pled not guilty and was remanded in custody without bail in August. After being locked up for months he's eventually pled guilty to a charge of 'sending communication of an offensive nature' and will now be sentenced.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce328p9330eo

    Why did he post such a statement under the circumstances of the murder of the little girls in Southport/riots? Was it to inform or incite?
    He may be a hideous man but I'm sorry, if that is really what he has been done for, it is a disgrace. 'Sending communication of an offensive nature' is almost Constable Savage level. Anyway it looks like for Farage the criminal justice system is the gift that keeps on giving. It's amazing how all you anti Farage people don't get that.
    If I'd been in a position of authority a national figure inciting unrest by quoting Andrew Tate's bullshit should have had his collar felt by plod too.
    Do you want a police state?

    And what about people who spread untruths regards say BLM protests? Should they be sent to prison? Or is it just certain types of unrest that you are bothered with?
    No, but people potentially being burned alive in a Holiday Inn Express because some twat quoted Andrew Tate bollocks on X deserves a slap.

    Equally people wearing a kippah should be allowed to go about their business unhindered. Anyone impeding them because they don't like Bibi's government should also face the full force of the law.

    This isn't be a right/ left thing. It's about right and wrong.
    Context is a thing.

    "Kill the fucker!" - in a gaming session of Call of Duty
    "Kill the fucker!" - while participating in a gang, armed with knives, that have pulled a victim to the ground....
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,928

    This is one of the more dubious cases arising from the summer riots.

    A former boxer prosecuted for saying in a YouTube video that "young white girls are being raped by these grooming gangs". He initially pled not guilty and was remanded in custody without bail in August. After being locked up for months he's eventually pled guilty to a charge of 'sending communication of an offensive nature' and will now be sentenced.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce328p9330eo

    Why did he post such a statement under the circumstances of the murder of the little girls in Southport/riots? Was it to inform or incite?
    He may be a hideous man but I'm sorry, if that is really what he has been done for, it is a disgrace. 'Sending communication of an offensive nature' is almost Constable Savage level. Anyway it looks like for Farage the criminal justice system is the gift that keeps on giving. It's amazing how all you anti Farage people don't get that.
    If I'd been in a position of authority a national figure inciting unrest by quoting Andrew Tate's bullshit should have had his collar felt by plod too.
    Do you want a police state?

    And what about people who spread untruths regards say BLM protests? Should they be sent to prison? Or is it just certain types of unrest that you are bothered with?
    No, but people potentially being burned alive in a Holiday Inn Express because some twat quoted Andrew Tate bollocks on X deserves a slap.

    Equally people wearing a kippah should be allowed to go about their business unhindered. Anyone impeding them because they don't like Bibi's government should also face the full force of the law.

    This isn't be a right/ left thing. It's about right and wrong.
    But the problem is what counts as incitement to violence? You seem to be interpreting it very very widely. And your comparison with Jews is not like for like. You seem to be referring to direct harassment. But are you saying everyone who makes a comment online that could be interpreted as antisemitic should have their collar felt? This is getting ridiculous.
  • Shecorns88Shecorns88 Posts: 279
    At last.... Been saying this over and over again. The more Farage and any Tory stands up forTrump and Musk and attack UK Government and our Democracy in the process the more likely a Labour 2nd term

    Bring it on.

    Stuff the orange prick and his Apartheid runt

  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,895

    I disagree with TSE.

    I think the end result of Farage's continuing support for Trump is that he will eventually convince most Tories likewise. Farage is, after all, the politician most responsible for taking the idea of Britain leaving the EU from the extreme margins to winning a referendum and our current reality.

    I disagree with a lot of what Farage stands for, his willingness to divide people and to insult and ridicule normal people who want to do their best. But he realises that the central task of a politician is to change people's minds by successfully advocating for his beliefs, while every other politician is so paralysed by fear at losing public support that they don't even try, or they're so convinced of their moral superiority that they're offended by the notion that they might have to argue their case.

    Leaving the EU was not on the extreme margins. The point was that none of the party leaderships agreed with it.
    I'm not sure I'd agree with that. Euroscepticism used to be more about opposition to federalism or the single currency. It took a long time for leaving altogether to become a mainstream position.
    Extreme margins might have been a bit of hyperbole, but it was certainly a fringe minority position.

    Leaving what was to become the EU was a major component of Labour's manifesto in 1983, which wasn't exactly the most popular prospectus ever offered to the British electorate.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,082
    edited December 4
    PJH said:

    Andy_JS said:

    This shift on immigration from Labour is really intriguing and the fact they’ve done it so early suggests they think it’s a major problem area but also one they feel they can tackle.

    I do think if they manage to cut immigration next year and the next they’ll be perceived quite differently.

    The main difference is that officialdom is more likely to do what it's told on immigration from Labour ministers than they were with Conservatives ones. So they could well make more progress on the subject than the Tories did.
    Why do you think that? And why do you think they weren't doing as they were told by the previous administration (which is what I think you're implying)?

    FWIW from my involvement with projects inside government, is that the Civil Service implements what it is told to do, albeit slowly.
    What about the interesting case the Rory Stewart highlighted, as an example of how Civil Service opposition works?
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,972

    So Ive been through the press in France Germany Italy and Spain and none of them have reported on the world changing events surrounding Greg Wallace.

    Do they understand nothing ?

    Rather a sadly dismissive post. If a rather forward camp man pulled his todger out, his modesty covered only by a sock, because he thought it might attract your interest, I suspect you would be quite justifiably outraged. Is there a difference?
    Ive seen lots of todgers over the years it doesnt upset me.

    Total dorkhead Rachel Reeves being Chancellor, now thats an outrage.
    Careful, Alan. The PB Pedantry Police are on the prowl.

    Spooky.
    That’s wonderfully alliterative too.
  • Shecorns88Shecorns88 Posts: 279

    This shift on immigration from Labour is really intriguing and the fact they’ve done it so early suggests they think it’s a major problem area but also one they feel they can tackle.

    I do think if they manage to cut immigration next year and the next they’ll be perceived quite differently.

    Starmer was crystal clear and for once unequivical.

    He took down Gangs at the CPS he believes he can take down Gangs as PM

    He's certainly got a plan. He's not bowing to some to his left and he is setting about showing that his word on this is credible.

    It will be 2 to 3 years before we know but he's made more progress in 5 months than the Tories have in many years...

    The wheels are turning
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,972

    Leon said:

    I’m doing my favourite thing. I’m in a car with a private driver taking me across a fabulously exotic country to a famously remote town. In the warm sunshine. In December. On half a tramadol

    Are you Chris Pincher
    I’ve sussed them.

    Shecorns88 and CharlieSharky are not bots from Putin, they are straight out backroom of Labour and Tory Party HQs. Not SovBots, but BritBots.

    I say we should leap on, challenge and ridicule everything these bots post, just as we do with the SovBot’s, just to show we are a no spin community of honest free thinkers, disgusted at their attempts to steer us and force the party political narrative on here.

    Shecorns might even be Morgan McSweeney himself - though CharlieSharky clearly not (yet) in Kemi’s top team because the posts in here are far sharper and more effective than Kemi is at PMQs.

    It’s easy to work this out, as all they post is political spin, when 99% of PB can’t even stay on topic let alone politics. No joining in the puns = weirdo’s. Simples.
    Is this MoonRabbit posting or………Columbo !!

    😀
  • PJH said:

    Cookie said:

    There are many Trumpian arse-lickers right here on PB, the proportion much greater than the population at large.

    Who? Honestly, who? There are, what, 150-odd regular posters here. I'd struggle to pick three who are regularly supportive. Not being furiously critical all the time does not count as being supportive.
    I agree with that as someone who is a polar opposite to Trump politically (and personally, I hope!) as it is possible to be. There are almost no regular posters who support him.
    And isn't it the uniquely wonderful nature of the site that a broad spectrum of opinion is welcome and tolerated?




    (Yellow Peril excepted, of course.)
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,268
    The other big political argument that Farage is in the process of winning is on immigration.

    Everyone from Starmer to the Adam Smith Institute has suddenly changed their tune and decided that we've had far too much of it after years of defending it and arguing that we needed more.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,496
    edited December 4

    This is one of the more dubious cases arising from the summer riots.

    A former boxer prosecuted for saying in a YouTube video that "young white girls are being raped by these grooming gangs". He initially pled not guilty and was remanded in custody without bail in August. After being locked up for months he's eventually pled guilty to a charge of 'sending communication of an offensive nature' and will now be sentenced.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce328p9330eo

    Who the fuck flagged this?

    If there is no more context to this case than that presented here it is an outrage. Despite his back record. There might well be such context - we don’t know

    Stop flagging you pathetic fools
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,888
    edited December 4

    This is one of the more dubious cases arising from the summer riots.

    A former boxer prosecuted for saying in a YouTube video that "young white girls are being raped by these grooming gangs". He initially pled not guilty and was remanded in custody without bail in August. After being locked up for months he's eventually pled guilty to a charge of 'sending communication of an offensive nature' and will now be sentenced.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce328p9330eo

    Why did he post such a statement under the circumstances of the murder of the little girls in Southport/riots? Was it to inform or incite?
    He may be a hideous man but I'm sorry, if that is really what he has been done for, it is a disgrace. 'Sending communication of an offensive nature' is almost Constable Savage level. Anyway it looks like for Farage the criminal justice system is the gift that keeps on giving. It's amazing how all you anti Farage people don't get that.
    If I'd been in a position of authority a national figure inciting unrest by quoting Andrew Tate's bullshit should have had his collar felt by plod too.
    Do you want a police state?

    And what about people who spread untruths regards say BLM protests? Should they be sent to prison? Or is it just certain types of unrest that you are bothered with?
    No, but people potentially being burned alive in a Holiday Inn Express because some twat quoted Andrew Tate bollocks on X deserves a slap.

    Equally people wearing a kippah should be allowed to go about their business unhindered. Anyone impeding them because they don't like Bibi's government should also face the full force of the law.

    This isn't be a right/ left thing. It's about right and wrong.
    But the problem is what counts as incitement to violence? You seem to be interpreting it very very widely. And your comparison with Jews is not like for like. You seem to be referring to direct harassment. But are you saying everyone who makes a comment online that could be interpreted as antisemitic should have their collar felt? This is getting ridiculous.
    Of course not, but the original assertion regarding the boxer was ( my precis) "did you hear about a hotel in Rotherham full of Muslim asylum seekers? By the way, I've heard Muslim taxi drivers are abusing young white girls in Rotherham". You may not put two and two together to make five but some knuckle draggers might.Why write such a thing unless you have a specific agenda? It's incitement in my book.
  • Andy_JS said:

    "Lockdown broke will to work, says former Waitrose boss
    New research shows that British employees are among the world’s least happy
    Szu Ping Chan
    Economics Editor"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/12/03/lockdown-broke-will-to-work-former-waitrose-boss-lord-price/

    Well we aren't as industrious as we used to be, writing bollocks on PB all day long. And I don't buy multi-tasking.
    It's true, Pete.

    We used to have threads running regularly to over a thousand comments. Now we are doing well to get past five hundred.

    You just can't get the posters these days.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,632
    Cookie said:

    There are many Trumpian arse-lickers right here on PB, the proportion much greater than the population at large.

    Who? Honestly, who? There are, what, 150-odd regular posters here. I'd struggle to pick three who are regularly supportive. Not being furiously critical all the time does not count as being supportive.
    "Furiously critical all of the time" is however, when it comes to Donald Trump, the gold standard we should aspire to.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,928

    The other big political argument that Farage is in the process of winning is on immigration.

    Everyone from Starmer to the Adam Smith Institute has suddenly changed their tune and decided that we've had far too much of it after years of defending it and arguing that we needed more.

    Two tier policing is another one that Starmer has to get a handle on. Lee Anderson today querying why someone who made a death threat to Ed Miliband gets jail whereas someone who made one against him just got a warning. Where are the rebuttals?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,112
    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    I’m doing my favourite thing. I’m in a car with a private driver taking me across a fabulously exotic country to a famously remote town. In the warm sunshine. In December. On half a tramadol

    Are you Chris Pincher
    I’ve sussed them.

    Shecorns88 and CharlieSharky are not bots from Putin, they are straight out backroom of Labour and Tory Party HQs. Not SovBots, but BritBots.

    I say we should leap on, challenge and ridicule everything these bots post, just as we do with the SovBot’s, just to show we are a no spin community of honest free thinkers, disgusted at their attempts to steer us and force the party political narrative on here.

    Shecorns might even be Morgan McSweeney himself - though CharlieSharky clearly not (yet) in Kemi’s top team because the posts in here are far sharper and more effective than Kemi is at PMQs.

    It’s easy to work this out, as all they post is political spin, when 99% of PB can’t even stay on topic let alone politics. No joining in the puns = weirdo’s. Simples.
    Is this MoonRabbit posting or………Columbo !!

    😀
    "Just one more thing..."
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,888

    This is one of the more dubious cases arising from the summer riots.

    A former boxer prosecuted for saying in a YouTube video that "young white girls are being raped by these grooming gangs". He initially pled not guilty and was remanded in custody without bail in August. After being locked up for months he's eventually pled guilty to a charge of 'sending communication of an offensive nature' and will now be sentenced.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce328p9330eo

    Why did he post such a statement under the circumstances of the murder of the little girls in Southport/riots? Was it to inform or incite?
    He may be a hideous man but I'm sorry, if that is really what he has been done for, it is a disgrace. 'Sending communication of an offensive nature' is almost Constable Savage level. Anyway it looks like for Farage the criminal justice system is the gift that keeps on giving. It's amazing how all you anti Farage people don't get that.
    If I'd been in a position of authority a national figure inciting unrest by quoting Andrew Tate's bullshit should have had his collar felt by plod too.
    Do you want a police state?

    And what about people who spread untruths regards say BLM protests? Should they be sent to prison? Or is it just certain types of unrest that you are bothered with?
    No, but people potentially being burned alive in a Holiday Inn Express because some twat quoted Andrew Tate bollocks on X deserves a slap.

    Equally people wearing a kippah should be allowed to go about their business unhindered. Anyone impeding them because they don't like Bibi's government should also face the full force of the law.

    This isn't be a right/ left thing. It's about right and wrong.
    Context is a thing.

    "Kill the fucker!" - in a gaming session of Call of Duty
    "Kill the fucker!" - while participating in a gang, armed with knives, that have pulled a victim to the ground....
    Context is key, however why did Farage quote Tate, was it to incite unrest which would be of political advantage to him or is he just a complete knob? Pick your context.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,632
    edited December 4

    The other big political argument that Farage is in the process of winning is on immigration.

    Everyone from Starmer to the Adam Smith Institute has suddenly changed their tune and decided that we've had far too much of it after years of defending it and arguing that we needed more.

    The change isn't quite as sweeping as that. It's just that everybody agrees the late Cons went OTT with 900k net in a year and it needs to come down significantly from there.
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,186
    Food deemed to be unhealthy for kids! :open_mouth:

    At least this time no one can blame the EU! :smiley:

    Merry Xmas you lot...

    https://metro.co.uk/2024/12/04/full-list-junk-foods-new-advert-ban-including-porridge-crumpets-22119393
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,990
    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    I’m doing my favourite thing. I’m in a car with a private driver taking me across a fabulously exotic country to a famously remote town. In the warm sunshine. In December. On half a tramadol

    Are you Chris Pincher
    I’ve sussed them.

    Shecorns88 and CharlieSharky are not bots from Putin, they are straight out backroom of Labour and Tory Party HQs. Not SovBots, but BritBots.

    I say we should leap on, challenge and ridicule everything these bots post, just as we do with the SovBot’s, just to show we are a no spin community of honest free thinkers, disgusted at their attempts to steer us and force the party political narrative on here.

    Shecorns might even be Morgan McSweeney himself - though CharlieSharky clearly not (yet) in Kemi’s top team because the posts in here are far sharper and more effective than Kemi is at PMQs.

    It’s easy to work this out, as all they post is political spin, when 99% of PB can’t even stay on topic let alone politics. No joining in the puns = weirdo’s. Simples.
    Is this MoonRabbit posting or………Columbo !!

    😀
    I suspect its some some acne ridden intern working at labour hq
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,888

    Andy_JS said:

    "Lockdown broke will to work, says former Waitrose boss
    New research shows that British employees are among the world’s least happy
    Szu Ping Chan
    Economics Editor"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/12/03/lockdown-broke-will-to-work-former-waitrose-boss-lord-price/

    Well we aren't as industrious as we used to be, writing bollocks on PB all day long. And I don't buy multi-tasking.
    It's true, Pete.

    We used to have threads running regularly to over a thousand comments. Now we are doing well to get past five hundred.

    You just can't get the posters these days.
    Indeed, although to be fair, two or three posters are incredibly industrious, putting in a shift all day, every day. Hats off!
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,082

    This is one of the more dubious cases arising from the summer riots.

    A former boxer prosecuted for saying in a YouTube video that "young white girls are being raped by these grooming gangs". He initially pled not guilty and was remanded in custody without bail in August. After being locked up for months he's eventually pled guilty to a charge of 'sending communication of an offensive nature' and will now be sentenced.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce328p9330eo

    Why did he post such a statement under the circumstances of the murder of the little girls in Southport/riots? Was it to inform or incite?
    He may be a hideous man but I'm sorry, if that is really what he has been done for, it is a disgrace. 'Sending communication of an offensive nature' is almost Constable Savage level. Anyway it looks like for Farage the criminal justice system is the gift that keeps on giving. It's amazing how all you anti Farage people don't get that.
    If I'd been in a position of authority a national figure inciting unrest by quoting Andrew Tate's bullshit should have had his collar felt by plod too.
    Do you want a police state?

    And what about people who spread untruths regards say BLM protests? Should they be sent to prison? Or is it just certain types of unrest that you are bothered with?
    No, but people potentially being burned alive in a Holiday Inn Express because some twat quoted Andrew Tate bollocks on X deserves a slap.

    Equally people wearing a kippah should be allowed to go about their business unhindered. Anyone impeding them because they don't like Bibi's government should also face the full force of the law.

    This isn't be a right/ left thing. It's about right and wrong.
    Context is a thing.

    "Kill the fucker!" - in a gaming session of Call of Duty
    "Kill the fucker!" - while participating in a gang, armed with knives, that have pulled a victim to the ground....
    Context is key, however why did Farage quote Tate, was it to incite unrest which would be of political advantage to him or is he just a complete knob? Pick your context.
    Knob, I think. Met him once, long ago. I think he is genuinely the saloon bar type he appears to be.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,082

    Andy_JS said:

    "Lockdown broke will to work, says former Waitrose boss
    New research shows that British employees are among the world’s least happy
    Szu Ping Chan
    Economics Editor"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/12/03/lockdown-broke-will-to-work-former-waitrose-boss-lord-price/

    Well we aren't as industrious as we used to be, writing bollocks on PB all day long. And I don't buy multi-tasking.
    Look at how working conditions have changed for general supermarket labour.

    No more: paid breaks, time and a half for weekends or extra for national holidays. Rotas are flexible but they generally flex only one way. Contracts are initially for < 21 hours a week and topped up by insecure hours. Staffing rates are continually pressured, often to the point of expecting heroics every day. Rotas are monthly and pseudo-random meaning most will expect to work at least one weekend a week and possibly more, curtailing second jobs and upskilling.

    Seriously, talk to people in low-end retail work. There are reasons they are unhappy. Continually declining working conditions and terrible union representation means they are living shit lives.
    People who do these jobs, long term, are by nature unadventurous. Otherwise they would try a different thing.

    Change is scary to a lot of people. Not everyone goes "fuck the rent, I'm out of this job. I'll find something else"

    COVID did a massive reset at the low end. Tons of such people lost their jobs - no hours for their zero hours contracts.

    So many found new jobs. I talked to a couple of Amazon drivers who are revelling in being on short distance parcel delivery - small, low weight packages, a warm van with their own music on. And a lot more pay than the previous shitty jobs.

    When you are revelling in the joy of a job with Amazon.....
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,082
    Pagan2 said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    I’m doing my favourite thing. I’m in a car with a private driver taking me across a fabulously exotic country to a famously remote town. In the warm sunshine. In December. On half a tramadol

    Are you Chris Pincher
    I’ve sussed them.

    Shecorns88 and CharlieSharky are not bots from Putin, they are straight out backroom of Labour and Tory Party HQs. Not SovBots, but BritBots.

    I say we should leap on, challenge and ridicule everything these bots post, just as we do with the SovBot’s, just to show we are a no spin community of honest free thinkers, disgusted at their attempts to steer us and force the party political narrative on here.

    Shecorns might even be Morgan McSweeney himself - though CharlieSharky clearly not (yet) in Kemi’s top team because the posts in here are far sharper and more effective than Kemi is at PMQs.

    It’s easy to work this out, as all they post is political spin, when 99% of PB can’t even stay on topic let alone politics. No joining in the puns = weirdo’s. Simples.
    Is this MoonRabbit posting or………Columbo !!

    😀
    I suspect its some some acne ridden intern working at labour hq
    @FarmerTupaq where are thou?
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,928

    This is one of the more dubious cases arising from the summer riots.

    A former boxer prosecuted for saying in a YouTube video that "young white girls are being raped by these grooming gangs". He initially pled not guilty and was remanded in custody without bail in August. After being locked up for months he's eventually pled guilty to a charge of 'sending communication of an offensive nature' and will now be sentenced.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce328p9330eo

    Why did he post such a statement under the circumstances of the murder of the little girls in Southport/riots? Was it to inform or incite?
    He may be a hideous man but I'm sorry, if that is really what he has been done for, it is a disgrace. 'Sending communication of an offensive nature' is almost Constable Savage level. Anyway it looks like for Farage the criminal justice system is the gift that keeps on giving. It's amazing how all you anti Farage people don't get that.
    If I'd been in a position of authority a national figure inciting unrest by quoting Andrew Tate's bullshit should have had his collar felt by plod too.
    Do you want a police state?

    And what about people who spread untruths regards say BLM protests? Should they be sent to prison? Or is it just certain types of unrest that you are bothered with?
    No, but people potentially being burned alive in a Holiday Inn Express because some twat quoted Andrew Tate bollocks on X deserves a slap.

    Equally people wearing a kippah should be allowed to go about their business unhindered. Anyone impeding them because they don't like Bibi's government should also face the full force of the law.

    This isn't be a right/ left thing. It's about right and wrong.
    Context is a thing.

    "Kill the fucker!" - in a gaming session of Call of Duty
    "Kill the fucker!" - while participating in a gang, armed with knives, that have pulled a victim to the ground....
    Context is key, however why did Farage quote Tate, was it to incite unrest which would be of political advantage to him or is he just a complete knob? Pick your context.
    I don't know. The more generous answer would be that he was questioning the lack of information being provided by the police that was creating a vacuum. Obviously the full picture will emerge once the trial is done and dusted.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,268
    kinabalu said:

    The other big political argument that Farage is in the process of winning is on immigration.

    Everyone from Starmer to the Adam Smith Institute has suddenly changed their tune and decided that we've had far too much of it after years of defending it and arguing that we needed more.

    The change isn't quite as sweeping as that. It's just that everybody agrees the late Cons went OTT with 900k net in a year and it needs to come down significantly from there.
    There’s been a similar change in sentiment in Canada so I think it’s something more profound than that. People are realising that the economic case for mass immigration doesn’t stack up.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,888

    This is one of the more dubious cases arising from the summer riots.

    A former boxer prosecuted for saying in a YouTube video that "young white girls are being raped by these grooming gangs". He initially pled not guilty and was remanded in custody without bail in August. After being locked up for months he's eventually pled guilty to a charge of 'sending communication of an offensive nature' and will now be sentenced.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce328p9330eo

    Why did he post such a statement under the circumstances of the murder of the little girls in Southport/riots? Was it to inform or incite?
    He may be a hideous man but I'm sorry, if that is really what he has been done for, it is a disgrace. 'Sending communication of an offensive nature' is almost Constable Savage level. Anyway it looks like for Farage the criminal justice system is the gift that keeps on giving. It's amazing how all you anti Farage people don't get that.
    If I'd been in a position of authority a national figure inciting unrest by quoting Andrew Tate's bullshit should have had his collar felt by plod too.
    Do you want a police state?

    And what about people who spread untruths regards say BLM protests? Should they be sent to prison? Or is it just certain types of unrest that you are bothered with?
    No, but people potentially being burned alive in a Holiday Inn Express because some twat quoted Andrew Tate bollocks on X deserves a slap.

    Equally people wearing a kippah should be allowed to go about their business unhindered. Anyone impeding them because they don't like Bibi's government should also face the full force of the law.

    This isn't be a right/ left thing. It's about right and wrong.
    Context is a thing.

    "Kill the fucker!" - in a gaming session of Call of Duty
    "Kill the fucker!" - while participating in a gang, armed with knives, that have pulled a victim to the ground....
    Context is key, however why did Farage quote Tate, was it to incite unrest which would be of political advantage to him or is he just a complete knob? Pick your context.
    I don't know. The more generous answer would be that he was questioning the lack of information being provided by the police that was creating a vacuum. Obviously the full picture will emerge once the trial is done and dusted.
    That is utter rubbish.

    The police were conducting their investigation in the immediate aftermath of a vile murder of young children. Only a **** would make up a false story with details about Syrian refugees being responsible under such heartbreaking circumstances,, and only an even bigger scoundrel ( or ****, take your pick) would publish "the facts" when he didn't know whether they were bollocks or not. He claims to be a serious politician. Well that wasn't serious , it was shocking.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,682

    Food deemed to be unhealthy for kids! :open_mouth:

    At least this time no one can blame the EU! :smiley:

    Merry Xmas you lot...

    https://metro.co.uk/2024/12/04/full-list-junk-foods-new-advert-ban-including-porridge-crumpets-22119393

    Nope. Just good old Labour. Fecking idiots.
  • mwadamsmwadams Posts: 3,668

    Food deemed to be unhealthy for kids! :open_mouth:

    At least this time no one can blame the EU! :smiley:

    Merry Xmas you lot...

    https://metro.co.uk/2024/12/04/full-list-junk-foods-new-advert-ban-including-porridge-crumpets-22119393

    "The Christmas Favourite: hot cross buns" errr....
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 28,394
    edited December 4
    Andy_JS said:

    "Lockdown broke will to work, says former Waitrose boss
    New research shows that British employees are among the world’s least happy
    Szu Ping Chan
    Economics Editor"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/12/03/lockdown-broke-will-to-work-former-waitrose-boss-lord-price/

    That's not really what he said. From the article:-

    However, he blamed lockdown for triggering a range of issues, including an increase in poor mental health among young people. Lord Price added that the rise of work from home was also leading to a worse experience of work among young people.

    He said: “For a lot of young people, they take on jobs and they never go to the office. They never meet a team. It isn’t like when I started work, when you went in and had socials.

    “These are people who are being recruited into jobs who are not seeing their managers face-to-face. They’re not seeing their colleagues face-to-face, and guess what? After four or five months, they’re pretty disillusioned.”

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/12/03/lockdown-broke-will-to-work-former-waitrose-boss-lord-price/ (£££)
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,632
    Leon said:

    This is one of the more dubious cases arising from the summer riots.

    A former boxer prosecuted for saying in a YouTube video that "young white girls are being raped by these grooming gangs". He initially pled not guilty and was remanded in custody without bail in August. After being locked up for months he's eventually pled guilty to a charge of 'sending communication of an offensive nature' and will now be sentenced.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce328p9330eo

    Who the fuck flagged this?

    If there is no more context to this case than that presented here it is an outrage. Despite his back record. There might well be such context - we don’t know

    Stop flagging you pathetic fools
    Heavy-handed treatment of white racists, you seem particularly animated by this issue.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,835
    Scott_xP said:

    The other big political argument that Farage is in the process of winning is on immigration.

    He caused it

    @GavinBarwell

    @BorisJohnson won the Brexit referendum by promising control of our borders. And then he did this


    No question that immigration has gone up dramatically. But are you sure that a sizeable part of that almost-vertical line isn't students, who are now "counted in" since Mrs May changed the rules. That cohort won't be "counted out" until they leave after three years. We would need to know whether students who were not "counted in" pre-May are being "counted out" or not.
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