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Smoking, like cash, will soon be obsolete for younger generations – politicalbetting.com

SystemSystem Posts: 12,212
edited December 3 in General
Smoking, like cash, will soon be obsolete for younger generations – politicalbetting.com

MPs have voted to ban smoking for those born after 2008 – our survey last year found that Britons supported such a move by 71% to 17%https://t.co/bE7A5hYPEw pic.twitter.com/SUGmxMTUAt

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  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,632
    Yes the habit, like most of its practioners, is on its last legs.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,632
    Not that it is a habit. That's a figure of speech. It's an addiction.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 23,143
    Andy_JS said:

    Instead of banning smoking for (future) adults the government should be banning social media for young people, like the Australian government is doing. Wrong priorities imo.

    What about smoking whilst using social media? Yay or nay?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,934
    FPT:

    Nothing about Russia's 40% of GDP on war production is sustainable.

    The Russian economy is heading for a cliff edge. Putin is Wile E Coyote, having strapped himself to a rocket that ploughs straight over that cliff.

    Then lands on him.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,378
    kinabalu said:

    Not that it is a habit. That's a figure of speech. It's an addiction.

    I'll miss it. Gave it up decades ago, but damn it was a fantastic appetite suppressant and food substitute, and it helped you focus.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,934
    Monday 11th November $1 = 95.99 Roubles

    Today - 27th November $1 = 113.14 Roubles

    Half a month...

    Maybe Trump will buy roubles?
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,694
    edited November 27
    viewcode said:

    kinabalu said:

    Not that it is a habit. That's a figure of speech. It's an addiction.

    I'll miss it. Gave it up decades ago, but damn it was a fantastic appetite suppressant and food substitute, and it helped you focus.
    One could look really cool, too!


    Note; I haven't smoked for 60 years.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,942
    edited November 27
    viewcode said:

    kinabalu said:

    Not that it is a habit. That's a figure of speech. It's an addiction.

    I'll miss it. Gave it up decades ago, but damn it was a fantastic appetite suppressant and food substitute, and it helped you focus.
    I wonder if it's part of the reason why obesity has grown as an issue. They are near mirrors of each other since the 70's.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,268
    Community tensions in London over PKK arrests:

    https://x.com/g4ryc33/status/1861755149984674187
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,316

    Alternatively, it will regain its rebellious status and be discovered be a new generation.

    Someone in the 1960s (can't remember who) asserted that homosexuality was less fun after it was legalised.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,694

    Community tensions in London over PKK arrests:

    https://x.com/g4ryc33/status/1861755149984674187

    One has to be sorry for the Kurds. How many times have they been promised a 'land of their own'?
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,807

    Alternatively, it will regain its rebellious status and be discovered be a new generation.

    Someone in the 1960s (can't remember who) asserted that homosexuality was less fun after it was legalised.
    Ted Heath?


    JOKE
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,632
    viewcode said:

    kinabalu said:

    Not that it is a habit. That's a figure of speech. It's an addiction.

    I'll miss it. Gave it up decades ago, but damn it was a fantastic appetite suppressant and food substitute, and it helped you focus.
    You did the right thing though. Well done. If you kick it before you're say 40 you'll likely escape serious damage. I'm still hooked sadly. I've replaced most of my fags with vape but I still succumb sometimes.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,471
    If you can't ride your hobby horse who will?
    Shocking treatment (again) of vulnerable kids

    https://www.theguardian.com/education/2024/nov/27/watchdog-appalled-restraint-autistic-children-london-school

    Thought we'd got past the "isolation room" stage.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,114

    Alternatively, it will regain its rebellious status and be discovered be a new generation.

    This is something i worry about.

    We will be the only country in the world now, I think, trying this (NZ backed out). Maybe it is worth a shot but let's hope they review it if it has the absolute opposite effect as you note.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,694
    edited November 27

    Alternatively, it will regain its rebellious status and be discovered be a new generation.

    This is something i worry about.

    We will be the only country in the world now, I think, trying this (NZ backed out). Maybe it is worth a shot but let's hope they review it if it has the absolute opposite effect as you note.
    Who is going to be Guy Fawkes to our new James I (and VI)?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,012
    I was reading a STOP report today, which is an expert report by police about drug dealing activity. In that report they indicated that on current trends cash would be gone by 2030. Their view, which seems logical, is that finding more than £20K of cash under the search warrant was much more indicative of drug dealing than it might have been a decade or two ago.

    In short, having a lot of cash is not only going to attract the attention of undesirables but the authorities as well.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,894

    Alternatively, it will regain its rebellious status and be discovered be a new generation.

    This is something i worry about.

    We will be the only country in the world now, I think, trying this (NZ backed out). Maybe it is worth a shot but let's hope they review it if it has the absolute opposite effect as you note.
    Who is going to be Guy Fawkes to our new James I (and VI)?
    I think it'd have to be Clarkson. He's fooled us all with his clever tactics. Stephen Fry is the only other contender.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,792
    DavidL said:

    I was reading a STOP report today, which is an expert report by police about drug dealing activity. In that report they indicated that on current trends cash would be gone by 2030. Their view, which seems logical, is that finding more than £20K of cash under the search warrant was much more indicative of drug dealing than it might have been a decade or two ago.

    In short, having a lot of cash is not only going to attract the attention of undesirables but the authorities as well.

    Indeed. Although by that time, most drug dealers will have presumably converted their business to crypto? For everything else, cash is pointless ––– as we've discussed ad nauseam.
  • cash, will soon be obsolete...TRIGGER WARNING....
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,894

    cash, will soon be obsolete...TRIGGER WARNING....

    Certainly in Russia
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,792
    edited November 27
    .

    cash, will soon be obsolete...TRIGGER WARNING....

    The pub that has just opened near me is cashless. Endgame for the pointless tokens and shards.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,934
    Somebody went under a train at Milton Keynes this morning.

    The knock on effect means anybody going to Edinburgh or Glasgow with be delayed in their journey by over an hour.

    Which means they get their ticket fully refunded. Huge cost to the rail network for that one sad event.
  • chortle at linking fags and cash
  • "Numerous bomb threats" made against Donald Trump's cabinet nominees and picks for his incoming administration, FBI says
  • .

    cash, will soon be obsolete...TRIGGER WARNING....

    The pub that has just opened near me is cashless. Endgame for the pointless tokens and shards.
    I have had £50 in cash in my wallet for 6 months... can't get rid of it.
  • Shecorns88Shecorns88 Posts: 279
    Personally I find the smell and smoke from Vapes far more unhealthy and worrying than from a cigarette or a cigar or old fashioned pipe.

    The habit of exhaling a huge amount of smoke in the direction of any passerby is obnoxious.

    The sight of a car in front filling up with smoke at traffic lights deeply disturbing.

    I hope any ban on "smoking" includes vapes.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,471
    edited November 27
    I'm unsure about the smoking ban. Fags and tobacco are so expensive now that most people I know who still smoke get their product from a 'supplier' at around half price, rather than a shop. That makes it difficult to assess the true extent of smoking. The ban will obviously increase the supply of illegal tobacco, as there's no shortage of the product. It's gong to be a bit like cannabis, with a pretty large informal and unregulated economy that is also, sadly, linked to a fair bit of crime. But I guess it will reduce the extent of smoking a bit.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,694

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    cash, will soon be obsolete...TRIGGER WARNING....

    The pub that has just opened near me is cashless. Endgame for the pointless tokens and shards.
    A new 'bar' is about open in our small town, next to one of the pubs. Some people seem very excited about it; I'm not sure I'll be able to get in with my walking aid, and whether I'd be welcome if I did.
    Cocktails at £15 or so a shot and pricey lagers aren't really my thing.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,114
    "Trump is obsessed with trade deficits. Let me tell you I have a chronic and incurable trade deficit with my barber. Every month I pay for a haircut and she never buys anything back from me. Somehow though it works out. And we need to have a little more faith in the 'somehow it works'. "

    Trump needs "epistemic humility, as Hayek called it". The US economy is incredible complex.

    Washington Post columnist George Will on the Bulwark video.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMcyzYCUg4s
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,835

    Somebody went under a train at Milton Keynes this morning.

    The knock on effect means anybody going to Edinburgh or Glasgow with be delayed in their journey by over an hour.

    Which means they get their ticket fully refunded. Huge cost to the rail network for that one sad event.

    Is there data on the percentage of delay-repay claims made against the number possible?
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,857
    DavidL said:

    I was reading a STOP report today, which is an expert report by police about drug dealing activity. In that report they indicated that on current trends cash would be gone by 2030. Their view, which seems logical, is that finding more than £20K of cash under the search warrant was much more indicative of drug dealing than it might have been a decade or two ago.

    In short, having a lot of cash is not only going to attract the attention of undesirables but the authorities as well.

    Though measuring it by the combination of simplicity and effectiveness it is probably the easiest asset on the planet to hide.
  • Somebody went under a train at Milton Keynes this morning.

    The knock on effect means anybody going to Edinburgh or Glasgow with be delayed in their journey by over an hour.

    Which means they get their ticket fully refunded. Huge cost to the rail network for that one sad event.

    It happens frequently on the North Wales coast line, last week being the most recent tragedy, and stops all rail traffic between Holyhead and Chester affecting Manchester Airport, Euston, Wrexham and Shrewsbury services

    Terrible for the drivers and those dealing with the aftermath
  • FPT:

    Nothing about Russia's 40% of GDP on war production is sustainable.

    The Russian economy is heading for a cliff edge. Putin is Wile E Coyote, having strapped himself to a rocket that ploughs straight over that cliff.

    Then lands on him.

    Without doubt. No economy can sustain that for years, certainly not Russia under the press of sanctions. Any other country and I'd already have expected civil unrest, but this is Putin's Russia. He's probably safe until the economy completely implodes and only the very wealthy can get access to food and fuel.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,609
    edited November 27

    .

    cash, will soon be obsolete...TRIGGER WARNING....

    The pub that has just opened near me is cashless. Endgame for the pointless tokens and shards.
    I have had £50 in cash in my wallet for 6 months... can't get rid of it.
    My grandchildren's Saturday morning 'Grandma's helpers' would resolve that problem

  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,376
    C.A.S.H
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,405
    We'll be getting an indian and paying cash for it this evening.
  • carnforth said:

    Somebody went under a train at Milton Keynes this morning.

    The knock on effect means anybody going to Edinburgh or Glasgow with be delayed in their journey by over an hour.

    Which means they get their ticket fully refunded. Huge cost to the rail network for that one sad event.

    Is there data on the percentage of delay-repay claims made against the number possible?
    The delay repayment on the TFW app is excellent
  • .

    cash, will soon be obsolete...TRIGGER WARNING....

    The pub that has just opened near me is cashless. Endgame for the pointless tokens and shards.
    COINS
    NOTES
  • Shecorns88Shecorns88 Posts: 279
    ITV channels off on Sky all others OK as at 558pm...over 3500 reports on down detector. May be regional??
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,376

    .

    cash, will soon be obsolete...TRIGGER WARNING....

    The pub that has just opened near me is cashless. Endgame for the pointless tokens and shards.
    I have had £50 in cash in my wallet for 6 months... can't get rid of it.
    I'll take it. I don't mind helping you out, honestly. 😇
  • .

    cash, will soon be obsolete...TRIGGER WARNING....

    The pub that has just opened near me is cashless. Endgame for the pointless tokens and shards.
    I have had £50 in cash in my wallet for 6 months... can't get rid of it.
    My grandchildren's Saturday morning 'Grandma's helpers' would resolve that problem

    Can't even give it to my friends kids, they all have apple pay on their phone / watched attached to accounts. They want to be cool and tap it like the adults.
  • ITV channels off on Sky all others OK as at 558pm...over 3500 reports on down detector. May be regional??

    Nothing wrong with ITV on Sky here

    Actually watching it
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,767
    As the rouble becomes rubble is it a fantasy to imagine that dollars and euros for Ukraine could enable them to buy an end to the war?
  • .

    cash, will soon be obsolete...TRIGGER WARNING....

    The pub that has just opened near me is cashless. Endgame for the pointless tokens and shards.
    I have had £50 in cash in my wallet for 6 months... can't get rid of it.
    My grandchildren's Saturday morning 'Grandma's helpers' would resolve that problem

    Can't even give it to my friends kids, they all have apple pay on their phone / watched attached to accounts. They want to be cool and tap it like the adults.
    Maybe not 12 and 10 then !!!!
  • .

    cash, will soon be obsolete...TRIGGER WARNING....

    The pub that has just opened near me is cashless. Endgame for the pointless tokens and shards.
    I have had £50 in cash in my wallet for 6 months... can't get rid of it.
    You know you can deposit into your account via an ATM?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,505
    edited November 27

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    cash, will soon be obsolete...TRIGGER WARNING....

    The pub that has just opened near me is cashless. Endgame for the pointless tokens and shards.
    I have had £50 in cash in my wallet for 6 months... can't get rid of it.
    You know you can deposit into your account via an ATM?
    I keep thinking i might need it at some point.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,972

    Somebody went under a train at Milton Keynes this morning.

    The knock on effect means anybody going to Edinburgh or Glasgow with be delayed in their journey by over an hour.

    Which means they get their ticket fully refunded. Huge cost to the rail network for that one sad event.

    It happens frequently on the North Wales coast line, last week being the most recent tragedy, and stops all rail traffic between Holyhead and Chester affecting Manchester Airport, Euston, Wrexham and Shrewsbury services

    Terrible for the drivers and those dealing with the aftermath
    Happened at Chester-le-street too last week.

    They also have specialist cleaning teams who deal with the aftermath. However it was not unknown for them to miss stuff. When I worked in depot maintenance on the Underground heard more than once about a body part being found on the train in depot.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,378
    edited November 27

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    cash, will soon be obsolete...TRIGGER WARNING....

    The pub that has just opened near me is cashless. Endgame for the pointless tokens and shards.
    I have had £50 in cash in my wallet for 6 months... can't get rid of it.
    Is it one of the old ones or the new ones? I really liked the old ones with the big red stripes. Especially when you walk out of the betting shop with the theme to "The Long Good Friday" banging in your head with a bundle nestled in your pocket like a proper crim.

    (narrator: viewcode is a statistician who works in an office and has never committed a crime that would be tried in Crown Court or higher)

  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,807
    Fpt

    The Canadian government expects 4.9 million people to leave voluntarily when their visas expire.

    The UK faces a similar question over the people given visas by Boris Johnson’s government. If they are not renewed then a lot of people will need to leave.

    https://torontosun.com/news/national/feds-expect-4-9-million-with-expiring-visas-to-voluntarily-leave-canada-in-next-year

    They won't leave, because there's an entire legal industry that will use the law (at the taxpayer's expense) to prevent them having to leave. Modern slavery, sudden conversion to Christianity (home country Muslim), realisation of being gay (home country Muslim). Rates of return for visa overstayers are through the floor.
    The Conservative government was, yes, very poor at deporting anyone.

    I don't see any actual evidence to back up this claim around visa overstayers making claims around slavery/religion/sexuality in large numbers.
    The Conservatives were very poor on immigration, as you will have found me saying both at the time and since. However, Conservative Home Secretaries also existed within an ever-growing thicket of laws (May's modern slavery law amongst them) whose increasing use makes operating the immigration system effectively an impossibility. The Tories did fail to grasp the nettle, leave the ECHR, reform the Human Rights Act, repeal the Modern Slavery Act, but would you be a fan of that?

    I feel what you're really trying to say is that deportation/returns figures are what they are because Suella Braverman forgot to ask the Home Office to deport people because she's stooopid. Which is glib nonsense.
    I didn't say anything about Braverman or her intelligence. Why deportations fell so much under the Tories is not completely clear, but part of it appears to be because funding for the Immigration Enforcement Department fell by 11% in real terms between 2015-16 and 2019-20, as the NAO noted, and the obsession with the Rwanda scheme over more successful methods.

    You suggest what happened was caused by a "thicket of laws". However, you haven't shown any evidence that more visa overstayers are making claims along the lines you described.
    The UK does not publish records of how people entered the asylum system, so we merely have an increase in asylum applications and a concurrent decrease in returns after work visa expirations, with no indication of any causal effect. A trend toward doing so is observed by Suella Braverman in her Spectator TV interview:
    https://youtu.be/3RzOdb7AKvM?si=7xDHJabdz398Zdyu

    What we do have is plenty of investigations and ample evidence that Christian conversion is beinf widely abused to bolster asylum claims: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13036735/Acid-attacker-Abdul-Ezedi-clapham-asylum-seeker-christianity.html

    If such legal cases are winning asylum claims (and they are) it is surely obtuse to suggest that others are not doing so.
    GIN1138 said:

    C.A.S.H

    Oh the cash, cash travelling life, the travelling life for me...
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,578
    Andy_JS said:

    Instead of banning smoking for (future) adults the government should be banning social media for young people, like the Australian government is doing. Wrong priorities imo.

    Or try banning less stuff?
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 3,036
    Off topic, but possibly insightful: "It doesn’t feel like Trump is filling Cabinet positions. More like he is casting roles in a government-based reality TV show where appearance/media experience is the most important qualification." (DRJ)

    source: https://patterico.com/2024/11/22/weekend-open-thread-253/#comment-2828331
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,578

    Personally I find the smell and smoke from Vapes far more unhealthy and worrying than from a cigarette or a cigar or old fashioned pipe.

    The habit of exhaling a huge amount of smoke in the direction of any passerby is obnoxious.

    The sight of a car in front filling up with smoke at traffic lights deeply disturbing.

    I hope any ban on "smoking" includes vapes.

    Both are pretty disgusting.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,578

    Off topic, but possibly insightful: "It doesn’t feel like Trump is filling Cabinet positions. More like he is casting roles in a government-based reality TV show where appearance/media experience is the most important qualification." (DRJ)

    source: https://patterico.com/2024/11/22/weekend-open-thread-253/#comment-2828331

    Worked for his own rise
  • Shecorns88Shecorns88 Posts: 279

    ITV channels off on Sky all others OK as at 558pm...over 3500 reports on down detector. May be regional??

    Nothing wrong with ITV on Sky here

    Actually watching it
    Regional now back on... Thanks
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,972
    viewcode said:

    .

    cash, will soon be obsolete...TRIGGER WARNING....

    The pub that has just opened near me is cashless. Endgame for the pointless tokens and shards.
    I have had £50 in cash in my wallet for 6 months... can't get rid of it.
    Is it one of the old ones or the new ones? I really liked the old ones with the big red stripes. Especially when you walk out of the betting shop with the theme to "The Long Good Friday" banging in your head with a bundle nestled in your pocket like a proper crim.

    (narrator: viewcode is a statistician who works in an office and has never committed a crime that would be tried in Crown Court or higher)

    So you’ll never appear in the dock in Fulchester.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,932
    As usual I continue posting on dead threads. Idiot that I am. Replies to @kinabalu and @Cookie on the last thread. Sorry.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,945
    Well done to Starmer for parrying the demand for (effectively) blasphemy laws from a Labour MP at PMQs today.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,082
    kle4 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Instead of banning smoking for (future) adults the government should be banning social media for young people, like the Australian government is doing. Wrong priorities imo.

    Or try banning less stuff?
    Ban on banning stuff?

    A war on wars on stuff?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,112
    Andy_JS said:

    Instead of banning smoking for (future) adults the government should be banning social media for young people, like the Australian government is doing. Wrong priorities imo.

    There is some evidence that smartphones have displaced smoking amongst teens, greatly reducing the number taking it up. Phones are probably reducing teen pregnancies too.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,268
    On the topic of cash, Marc Andreessen's comments on how politically-motivated debankings in the US influenced Silicon Valley support for Trump are interesting:

    https://x.com/austen/status/1861638586573169043
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,894

    On the topic of cash, Marc Andreessen's comments on how politically-motivated debankings in the US influenced Silicon Valley support for Trump are interesting:

    https://x.com/austen/status/1861638586573169043

    At least there will be no Russian trolls posting on cash. Ruble loo-roll, the Breznev stuff is firmer and breaks apart less.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,578
    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Instead of banning smoking for (future) adults the government should be banning social media for young people, like the Australian government is doing. Wrong priorities imo.

    There is some evidence that smartphones have displaced smoking amongst teens, greatly reducing the number taking it up. Phones are probably reducing teen pregnancies too.
    Spontaneous amorous encounters will be down if people have less need to meet up just to speak or hang out.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,578

    kle4 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Instead of banning smoking for (future) adults the government should be banning social media for young people, like the Australian government is doing. Wrong priorities imo.

    Or try banning less stuff?
    Ban on banning stuff?

    A war on wars on stuff?
    People against people who protest.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,069

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    cash, will soon be obsolete...TRIGGER WARNING....

    The pub that has just opened near me is cashless. Endgame for the pointless tokens and shards.
    I have had £50 in cash in my wallet for 6 months... can't get rid of it.
    I'll have it!
    Cashless establishments are still in the minority. And if you're prepared to pay by card you can always jump the queue in Sainsburys and Tesco because the number of cars only tills always outweighs the number of customers in the queue willing to use them.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,928
    Andy_JS said:

    Well done to Starmer for parrying the demand for (effectively) blasphemy laws from a Labour MP at PMQs today.

    Did he?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,632

    I think the smoking ban is a terrible idea. It would be better to ban it outright (which I wouldn't) than do this. It will simply create less respect for the law in general. Not good.

    I'd like it banned specifically for 64 year olds.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,792

    .

    cash, will soon be obsolete...TRIGGER WARNING....

    The pub that has just opened near me is cashless. Endgame for the pointless tokens and shards.
    I have had £50 in cash in my wallet for 6 months... can't get rid of it.
    They are a pain in the backside.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 23,143
    Cookie said:

    .

    cash, will soon be obsolete...TRIGGER WARNING....

    The pub that has just opened near me is cashless. Endgame for the pointless tokens and shards.
    I have had £50 in cash in my wallet for 6 months... can't get rid of it.
    I'll have it!
    Cashless establishments are still in the minority. And if you're prepared to pay by card you can always jump the queue in Sainsburys and Tesco because the number of cars only tills always outweighs the number of customers in the queue willing to use them.
    I knew the price of food inflation was high but I hadn't quite realised that people have to trade their car in to get the weekly shop now.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,792
    Pulpstar said:

    We'll be getting an indian and paying cash for it this evening.

    That must be a tax dodge. Why else would they insist on a payment that is risky, laborious and expensive to handle?
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,316

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    cash, will soon be obsolete...TRIGGER WARNING....

    The pub that has just opened near me is cashless. Endgame for the pointless tokens and shards.
    A new 'bar' is about open in our small town, next to one of the pubs. Some people seem very excited about it; I'm not sure I'll be able to get in with my walking aid, and whether I'd be welcome if I did.
    Cocktails at £15 or so a shot and pricey lagers aren't really my thing.
    Fifteen quid for a drink that lasts 20 seconds seems a bit steep to me.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,578
    He proposed what?!

    Tahir Ali MP: "will the Prime Minister commit to introducing measures to prohibit the desecration of all religious texts and the prophets of the Abrahamic religions"

    Alarmingly Keir Starmer's response is not a flat out refusal. Blasphemy laws have no place in the UK.

    https://nitter.poast.org/lara_e_brown/status/1861755453287370780#m

    (Notably he says the UN human rights council adopted a resolution 'condemning' desecretion of texts, which sounds very different to his proposal of 'prohibiting' desecretion. Condemning rather than criminalising it)
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,578
    Andy_JS said:

    Well done to Starmer for parrying the demand for (effectively) blasphemy laws from a Labour MP at PMQs today.

    Remarkable it was even asked. Free country to ask it I guess, but outrageous demand.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,792

    .

    cash, will soon be obsolete...TRIGGER WARNING....

    The pub that has just opened near me is cashless. Endgame for the pointless tokens and shards.
    I have had £50 in cash in my wallet for 6 months... can't get rid of it.
    My grandchildren's Saturday morning 'Grandma's helpers' would resolve that problem

    Can't even give it to my friends kids, they all have apple pay on their phone / watched attached to accounts. They want to be cool and tap it like the adults.
    I have to trudge to the bank if any relatives insist on posting (yes posting!) cash to my son for a gift. He cannot use it to buy the things he buys (online games for his PS5, electronics from online retailers), so it is just an entirely pointless chore that could have been avoided had they just transferred the money – which takes 60 seconds.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,330

    Pulpstar said:

    We'll be getting an indian and paying cash for it this evening.

    That must be a tax dodge. Why else would they insist on a payment that is risky, laborious and expensive to handle?
    Good evening, Judge Dredd!
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,578

    I think the smoking ban is a terrible idea. It would be better to ban it outright (which I wouldn't) than do this. It will simply create less respect for the law in general. Not good.

    Agreed. And it just seems weird as older people I would guess would benefit more from being made to stop now, before they do more harm to themselves.

    It's a weird week for prioritising or ignoring personal choice on different matters.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,972
    Although not the next Xmas movie this is my favourite Xmas movie segment by a mile

    https://x.com/hellothisisivan/status/1861532506698248551?s=61
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,792

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    cash, will soon be obsolete...TRIGGER WARNING....

    The pub that has just opened near me is cashless. Endgame for the pointless tokens and shards.
    I have had £50 in cash in my wallet for 6 months... can't get rid of it.
    My grandchildren's Saturday morning 'Grandma's helpers' would resolve that problem

    Can't even give it to my friends kids, they all have apple pay on their phone / watched attached to accounts. They want to be cool and tap it like the adults.
    Maybe not 12 and 10 then !!!!
    Lots of children have Apple Pay – it's easy to set up on a phone from an adult bank account. Effectively gives them a way to manage proper (i.e. digital) money from an early age and not carry pointless cash with them. It also shows them live balance. Most teenagers I know seem to think the whole idea of cash is as stupid as landline phones.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,792

    .

    cash, will soon be obsolete...TRIGGER WARNING....

    The pub that has just opened near me is cashless. Endgame for the pointless tokens and shards.
    I have had £50 in cash in my wallet for 6 months... can't get rid of it.
    You know you can deposit into your account via an ATM?
    I keep thinking i might need it at some point.
    But never do...
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,330

    .

    cash, will soon be obsolete...TRIGGER WARNING....

    The pub that has just opened near me is cashless. Endgame for the pointless tokens and shards.
    A new 'bar' is about open in our small town, next to one of the pubs. Some people seem very excited about it; I'm not sure I'll be able to get in with my walking aid, and whether I'd be welcome if I did.
    Cocktails at £15 or so a shot and pricey lagers aren't really my thing.
    Fifteen quid for a drink that lasts 20 seconds seems a bit steep to me.
    At that rate, you won't be worrying about it after about 2 minutes.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,792
    edited November 27
    Cookie said:

    .

    cash, will soon be obsolete...TRIGGER WARNING....

    The pub that has just opened near me is cashless. Endgame for the pointless tokens and shards.
    I have had £50 in cash in my wallet for 6 months... can't get rid of it.
    I'll have it!
    Cashless establishments are still in the minority. And if you're prepared to pay by card you can always jump the queue in Sainsburys and Tesco because the number of cars only tills always outweighs the number of customers in the queue willing to use them.
    Er does it? Not here it doesn't.

    (And, in any case, isn't that an argument against cash?)

    Cash is, after all, pointless.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,069
    kjh said:

    As usual I continue posting on dead threads. Idiot that I am. Replies to @kinabalu and @Cookie on the last thread. Sorry.

    Thanks.
    Conversely, my 20s and very early 30s in retrospect felt like I was treading water without any obvious route forward. Plenty of present, which was not unpleasant, but no obvious route to a future. Life didn't really get going for me until I met my now wife when I was 31.
    I'd have loved to find some way to marry (and breed) earlier, but as I didn't actually find the woman of my dreams until I was 31 I havr no regrets about waiting. We got on with it as quickly as we could...
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,578
    With Starmer's previously reported support and later stages to consider, I would think a greater proportion of unknowns/unsures will err on the side of passing at this point.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,723
    Big difference re Lab MP numbers between Election Maps and Labour List.

    Labour List has:
    For 83
    Against 52

    Election Maps has:
    For 103 (+ 11 likely For)
    Against 85 (+13 likely Against)
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,857

    .

    cash, will soon be obsolete...TRIGGER WARNING....

    The pub that has just opened near me is cashless. Endgame for the pointless tokens and shards.
    I have had £50 in cash in my wallet for 6 months... can't get rid of it.
    My grandchildren's Saturday morning 'Grandma's helpers' would resolve that problem

    Can't even give it to my friends kids, they all have apple pay on their phone / watched attached to accounts. They want to be cool and tap it like the adults.
    I have to trudge to the bank if any relatives insist on posting (yes posting!) cash to my son for a gift. He cannot use it to buy the things he buys (online games for his PS5, electronics from online retailers), so it is just an entirely pointless chore that could have been avoided had they just transferred the money – which takes 60 seconds.
    Inability to dispose of cash - say any sum under a couple of hundred pounds - within a reasonably short time displays an extraordinary lack of imagination. It can be done in minutes or even seconds by an expert. Can this really only be true in the small town rural north of England?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,268
    https://x.com/sawyermerritt/status/1861792318883348899

    NEWS: Two unnamed Nissan executives said the company has "12 to 14 months to survive."

    Nissan cut more than 9,000 jobs earlier this month, while simultaneously slashing production by nearly 20%. Nissan's operating profit dropped 85% in Q3.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,894
    Cookie said:

    kjh said:

    As usual I continue posting on dead threads. Idiot that I am. Replies to @kinabalu and @Cookie on the last thread. Sorry.

    Thanks.
    Conversely, my 20s and very early 30s in retrospect felt like I was treading water without any obvious route forward. Plenty of present, which was not unpleasant, but no obvious route to a future. Life didn't really get going for me until I met my now wife when I was 31.
    I'd have loved to find some way to marry (and breed) earlier, but as I didn't actually find the woman of my dreams until I was 31 I havr no regrets about waiting. We got on with it as quickly as we could...
    One just spins a theme around life. You see that at some point. Then you're all at sea. So it all becomes spinning something around this almost undecomposable bigger understanding. (I've no idea where it goes from there, because I'm still young!)
  • .

    cash, will soon be obsolete...TRIGGER WARNING....

    The pub that has just opened near me is cashless. Endgame for the pointless tokens and shards.
    I have had £50 in cash in my wallet for 6 months... can't get rid of it.
    My grandchildren's Saturday morning 'Grandma's helpers' would resolve that problem

    Can't even give it to my friends kids, they all have apple pay on their phone / watched attached to accounts. They want to be cool and tap it like the adults.
    Maybe not 12 and 10 then !!!!
    Lots of children have Apple Pay – it's easy to set up on a phone from an adult bank account. Effectively gives them a way to manage proper (i.e. digital) money from an early age and not carry pointless cash with them. It also shows them live balance. Most teenagers I know seem to think the whole idea of cash is as stupid as landline phones.
    Not at their ages, but then discussing the subject with your closed mind is pointless

    Most people have a more nuanced attitude to cash
  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,125
    edited November 27

    FPT:

    Nothing about Russia's 40% of GDP on war production is sustainable.

    The Russian economy is heading for a cliff edge. Putin is Wile E Coyote, having strapped himself to a rocket that ploughs straight over that cliff.

    Then lands on him.

    Except that it isn't. Russia is spending 40% of GOVERNMENT EXPENDITURE - not GDP - on defence - about 7-8% of GDP.

    See John Healey's contribution here:

    https://hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2024-10-14/debates/136147B8-B022-4143-BEA0-270BB4B089DD/RussiaArmedForces

    For comparison, during the Korean War, we were spending about 11% of our GDP on defence, falling to 7%, about Russia's level today, in 1959, and the 1950s were a time of growing prosperity here and in the US, which spent similar amounts. These levels are eminently affordable in the short and medium term, even if the usual caveats about Russian statistics apply. To get up to 40-50% you need to go back to the Second World War.

    https://www.ukpublicspending.co.uk/uk_national_defence_analysis

    He may find it difficult to maintain the standard of living for the Russian masses, i.e. to have both guns and butter, but even there, the evidence is ambiguous, since working class Russians are benefiting hugely from high salaries in the military - if they survive - and booming wages due to a shortage of labour.

    It won't be economic pressure, or sanctions, that break Putin's will - it will be Ukrainian men smashing his armies with Western weapons on the fields of Donetsk, Luhansk and Zaporizhe. Which is why we need to supply as many powerful weapons as possible as soon as possible, or reconcile ourselves to a Russian victory, with all the consequent disasters for the free world.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,578

    https://x.com/sawyermerritt/status/1861792318883348899

    NEWS: Two unnamed Nissan executives said the company has "12 to 14 months to survive."

    Nissan cut more than 9,000 jobs earlier this month, while simultaneously slashing production by nearly 20%. Nissan's operating profit dropped 85% in Q3.

    Announce they are turning into an AI company and that will buy them enough random investor cash to last at least an extra year.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 23,143
    kle4 said:

    https://x.com/sawyermerritt/status/1861792318883348899

    NEWS: Two unnamed Nissan executives said the company has "12 to 14 months to survive."

    Nissan cut more than 9,000 jobs earlier this month, while simultaneously slashing production by nearly 20%. Nissan's operating profit dropped 85% in Q3.

    Announce they are turning into an AI company and that will buy them enough random investor cash to last at least an extra year.
    Only sell their cars for bitcoin and ride the wave.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,471
    kinabalu said:

    I think the smoking ban is a terrible idea. It would be better to ban it outright (which I wouldn't) than do this. It will simply create less respect for the law in general. Not good.

    I'd like it banned specifically for 64 year olds.
    You'd just start again when you were 65, though.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,942
    edited November 27
    Andy_JS said:

    Well done to Starmer for parrying the demand for (effectively) blasphemy laws from a Labour MP at PMQs today.

    I think he should have gone in a lot harder. Politically shrewd too, given the increasingly hysterical commentary in the Mail/Telegraph.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,857
    Andy_JS said:

    Well done to Starmer for parrying the demand for (effectively) blasphemy laws from a Labour MP at PMQs today.

    Many people self-enforce a non blasphemy code out of ordinary respect for others. Quite a lot don't. Nearly all self-enforce bits of non blasphemy code out of terror of being killed.

    Of these three only the first is any good.
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