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  • Gerry_ManderGerry_Mander Posts: 621
    Financier said:

    Workshy map of Britain revealed: Thousands of incapacity benefit claimants found to be capable of working


    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2319355/Workshy-map-Britain-revealed-Thousands-incapacity-benefit-claimants-capableworking.html#ixzz2SOdzw535

    First thing that I notice is the according to the map, Manchester is further north than Stoke, and Sandwell is further north than both of them.

    I can't comment on the figures, but they don't surprise me.
  • MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    JackW said:

    @Sean_Fear

    Do you have an appreciation of the St Albans and Watford parliamentary seats based on Thursday ?

    I have this worrying feeling of creeping yellow perilism begining to infest leafy Herts. Will I have to extend fine pie operations south of the border ?? .. I fear so !!

    St Albans LD 33.2% Con 23.2% Lab 22.5% UKIP 14.1% Green 7.0%
    Watford LD 37.3% Lab 22.6% Con 19.7% UKIP 12.4% Green 6.0% Others 2.0%

  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    tim said:

    tim said:

    UKIP projected vote share 22%
    UKIP + BNP vote share 2009 22%

    Funny that

    Nice smearing...
    Who do you think the 2009 BNP voters are voting for then?



    </blockquote


    The leader of the UK Labour Party has delivered a party political broadcast on UK television saying that the last Labour government got its UK immigration policy wrong. He said that he now has 'a new approach' to the issue.

    EdMillionaire has previous , see Woolas.
  • anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746

    TGOHF said:

    The Euro elections are not fptp - and are next. Lds must be dreading those.

    The really nice thing about the Euros, is that they are being held on the same day as the locals. Lots and lots of local government seats up, including a majority of the LDs remaining councillors.

    That is nonsense , the majority of LD's remaining councillors have been reelected in the last 3 years . The one area where your comment is true is London which has had no elections since 2010 .
    ? My mistake. I thought the 2014 local were going to be a repeat of the 2010 locals, with 1700 LD councillors up for re-election.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_local_elections,_2010

    Total number of LD councillors being 2700.

    http://www.aldc.org/elections/big-picture/
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,529
    Jack W, I see no problems for the Conservatives in the St. Alban's result (or Stevenage, for that matter).

    The Watford Borough results were awful, although the results from parts of Three Rivers that come into the constituency were fine. But, there are clearly people in Watford who vote Lib Dem locally, and Conservative nationally.

    I'd call 10 Herts. Seats for the Conservatives in 2015, with Watford too close to call, and capable of going to any of the main three.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Red appears to have gone into hiding post Thursday.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,698
    Financier, I'm in my mid-70's now, but I can clearly recall an incident when I was about 8, going on 9. My mother worked pretty welll all my childhood; she was a pharmacist with her own pharmacy and my father was a teacher; our home was run by an aunt.

    One day at school we had a major test, first we'd really had, and I came top of the class. By quite a lot. It was the first time that I'd thought I was cleverer than average; one doesn't at that sort of age, and I knew my parents would be pleased.

    I can clearly recall walking home and really, really hoping that my mother would be there so that I could tell her.
    In fact she was; in those days shops had midweek half-days and it was my mothers!

    I've been twitchy about working mothers ever since!
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    Lancs Countiy Council - gives total votes and percentages.

    http://www3.lancashire.gov.uk/elections/results/2013/stats.asp

    Unlike Gloucestershire.

    http://glostext.gloucestershire.gov.uk/mgElectionResults.aspx?ID=3&V=0&RPID=32862668

    Some poor soul is trying to collate results and make sense of the data, may find that the task takes longer than expected.

    Even checking if the 'key ward' stuff is going to be slow going and tedious, but thank goodness for spreadsheets.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Tim - is that official Labour tactics to fight Ukip - just call them racists for next 2 years ? Clarke and Cam have already been down that path..
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    edited May 2013
    Shropshire - map but no % or votes cast. Lists all contests separately.

    http://new.shropshire.gov.uk/elections-2013/unitary/results-map/

    Staffs no total votes cast.

    http://moderngov.staffordshire.gov.uk/mgElectionResults.aspx?ID=15&RPID=31692528

    Derbyshire shows number of seats won, a map, the number of councllors but no votes cast, or percentages.

    http://www.derbyshire.gov.uk/council/elections/2013/results/default.asp#9/53.1006/-1.7207

    Collation of the results will be slower than some of us might realise. But as for the analysis - it may only be starting.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Farage and sad old Ken Clarke coming up on Marr.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    @Financier - I choose my words with naked clarity.

    @OldKingCole - I always knew you were one of those PBers who has the desire to feel my ARSE.

    @Mark_Senior & @Sean_F - Some divergence there but thank you.
  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    tim said:

    Public support asylum for Afghan interpreters
    The British public believe that Britain should offer asylum to Afghan interpreters who worked for British troops, according to a new YouGov poll for British Future.

    Sixty per cent (60%) of those who have an opinion believe that Britain should allow these workers to settle here while four out of ten oppose the call.

    Conservative, Labour and Liberal Democrat voters all support the call for protection for the interpreters – while those who intend to vote UKIP divide narrowly against it.

    Labour voters back the call by 57% to 25% (+35) and Conservatives by 48 to 37% (+11), with Liberal Democrats strongly in support by 67 to 19% (+48). 40% of UKIP supporters back the asylum call while a plurality of 48% of Ukippers oppose it (-8).

    http://www.britishfuture.org/articles/public-support-asylum-for-afghan-interpreters/

    Cameron appeasing the Kippers

    Yvette Cooper 2013 ;

    " Under Ed Miliband’s leadership we’ve been holding events across the country - listening and talking about immigration in Britain. North and South, city and town. First and second generation migrants as well as families who have been in Britain for generations.

    Along with Shadow Immigration Minister Chris Bryant, I’ve heard from people worried about whether their children will find jobs and whether they can compete with new arrivals from abroad.

    We’ve heard from people who have seen rapid change in their communities worried they don’t know their neighbours any more.

    And we’ve also heard from people worried about jobs being lost at the local university because fewer international students have come.

    We’ve heard from people with many concerns about the way the immigration system works – and we need to talk about those problems.

    As Ed Miliband has said we know Labour got some things wrong on immigration in Government."
  • MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699

    TGOHF said:

    The Euro elections are not fptp - and are next. Lds must be dreading those.

    The really nice thing about the Euros, is that they are being held on the same day as the locals. Lots and lots of local government seats up, including a majority of the LDs remaining councillors.

    That is nonsense , the majority of LD's remaining councillors have been reelected in the last 3 years . The one area where your comment is true is London which has had no elections since 2010 .
    ? My mistake. I thought the 2014 local were going to be a repeat of the 2010 locals, with 1700 LD councillors up for re-election.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_local_elections,_2010

    Total number of LD councillors being 2700.

    http://www.aldc.org/elections/big-picture/
    It is the way the results have been represented . In the areas which had 1/3rd of the seats up for election wiki and the BBC give the total councillors on the council not just those up for election in that year .

  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,514

    tim said:

    Public support asylum for Afghan interpreters
    The British public believe that Britain should offer asylum to Afghan interpreters who worked for British troops, according to a new YouGov poll for British Future.

    Sixty per cent (60%) of those who have an opinion believe that Britain should allow these workers to settle here while four out of ten oppose the call.

    Conservative, Labour and Liberal Democrat voters all support the call for protection for the interpreters – while those who intend to vote UKIP divide narrowly against it.

    Labour voters back the call by 57% to 25% (+35) and Conservatives by 48 to 37% (+11), with Liberal Democrats strongly in support by 67 to 19% (+48). 40% of UKIP supporters back the asylum call while a plurality of 48% of Ukippers oppose it (-8).

    http://www.britishfuture.org/articles/public-support-asylum-for-afghan-interpreters/

    Cameron appeasing the Kippers

    Yvette Cooper 2013 ;

    " Under Ed Miliband’s leadership we’ve been holding events across the country - listening and talking about immigration in Britain. North and South, city and town. First and second generation migrants as well as families who have been in Britain for generations.

    Along with Shadow Immigration Minister Chris Bryant, I’ve heard from people worried about whether their children will find jobs and whether they can compete with new arrivals from abroad.

    We’ve heard from people who have seen rapid change in their communities worried they don’t know their neighbours any more.

    And we’ve also heard from people worried about jobs being lost at the local university because fewer international students have come.

    We’ve heard from people with many concerns about the way the immigration system works – and we need to talk about those problems.

    As Ed Miliband has said we know Labour got some things wrong on immigration in Government."
    Some things wrong = about 90% of it.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,529
    Jack W, the Conseratives and Lib Dems both saw their vote share drop by about 8% in St. Albans, compared to 2009. that's why I think Anne Main is in no particular danger in 2015. She'd only be in danger if the non-Conservative vote united behind either Labour or Lib Dem
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    edited May 2013
    @MarkSenior

    Between your disgraceful but fruitless attempts to set up a yellow peril insurgency in Harpenden and propping up the profits of vodka manufacturers worldwide, have you had the chance to assess the other LibDem seats and perhaps a few targets from thursday. How might they compare with my latest ARSE projection of 45 seats for the LIbDems ?
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    @Sean_F - I think that looks about right Sean.

  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    The Sun's take on the queen's speech:

    Theresa May crackdown on foreign criminals' appeals in Queen's Speech

    Read more: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/4915815/Home-Secretary-moves-to-end-long-immigration-appeals.html#ixzz2SPBb6NyN
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,578
    edited May 2013
    I would love if some principled LD on results day, should the prediction in this article happen, rather than talk about how it showed the LDs were still a significant force and a genuine alternative for the country - the usual stuff - instead just said, 'you know what? It is totally unfair that we still have so many seats; FPTP has to go right now'.
  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    edited May 2013
    Alanbrooke , Labour drones would do well to avoid commenting on immigration , it's one of things their hellish 13-year government got wrong , along with the UK economy and various idiotic wars/bloodbathes.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    edited May 2013
    And Mr Afriyie's ambitions, wealth & Leveson all in one:

    "‘Tory Obama’ bids to gag The Sun over £11m homes
    New Leveson fear


    Read more: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/4915628/Tory-Obama-bids-to-gag-The-Sun-over-11m-homes.html#ixzz2SPBwyZpF
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,514

    Alanbrooke , Labour drones would do well to avoid commenting on immigration , it's one of things their hellish 13-year government got wrong , along with the UK economy and various idiotic wars/bloodbathes.

    How can you say they messed up the economy ? The Eds assure us that all we need to do is borrow lots more and everything will be all right.
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    JackW said:

    @Sean_Fear

    Do you have an appreciation of the St Albans and Watford parliamentary seats based on Thursday ?

    I have this worrying feeling of creeping yellow perilism begining to infest leafy Herts. Will I have to extend fine pie operations south of the border ?? .. I fear so !!

    You'll be lucky. I should stick to your tried and true path of boggy Scottish Islands.

  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,514

    And Mr Afriyie's ambitions, wealth & Leveson all in one:

    "‘Tory Obama’ bids to gag The Sun over £11m homes
    New Leveson fear


    Read more: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/4915628/Tory-Obama-bids-to-gag-The-Sun-over-11m-homes.html#ixzz2SPBwyZpF</blockquote

    As I said yesterday he's a vacuous pillock.

  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,529
    Devon and Herts' websites are models of how to present results.

    Councils that make you click onto each ward are not.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    @MikeK

    I think you stick to your tried and true path of offering Peter the Punter boggy kisses !!
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300



    As I said yesterday he's a vacuous pillock.

    He's a vacuous pillock with enemies in his own party whispering in Mr Murdoch's ear.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216

    And Mr Afriyie's ambitions, wealth & Leveson all in one:

    "‘Tory Obama’ bids to gag The Sun over £11m homes
    New Leveson fear


    Read more: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/4915628/Tory-Obama-bids-to-gag-The-Sun-over-11m-homes.html#ixzz2SPBwyZpF

    With deep pockets - he hired Carter Ruck......(something the Sun does not mention....)

  • FluffyThoughtsFluffyThoughts Posts: 2,420
    tim said:

    Public support asylum for Afghan interpreters
    The British public believe that Britain should offer asylum to Afghan interpreters who worked for British troops, according to a new YouGov poll for British Future.

    We English see no difference between Our Loyal Gurkhas, Sikhs nor Pushtans. Shame Woolas and that "Kevan" bloke were such bigots, no....?
  • Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307
    edited May 2013
    dr_spyn said:

    Things in Syria changing for the worse?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-22417482

    Israeli air strikes reported by BBC. One for @Yokel.

    I posted yesterday that the balance of probability was that the Israelis were going to strike again given their military posture. The media had picked up on an initial reported single strike against surface to surface missiles and this strike against the 'military research institute' but the Israelis were up to a lot more actions including mobilising to put an additional 20 000 strong force on their borders as a deterrent.

    On the battlefield I'd reckon Assad has been supplemented by maybe 8-10 000 fighting troops from Hizbollah and also Iranian militia in recent weeks. This is helping a recent swing in his favour and has improved his strategic position. There are also reports that Assads forces have launched artillery at rebel forces in Jordan, something that Washington will take note of as there are rumours that the US will boot up its plans to station actual conventional (SOF have been there for some time) fighting units in the country as a warning to Assad not to bother targeting Jordan. It may be that Obama's comments that he did not forsee US boots in Syria was actually getting in a comfort statement for the US public setting the scene for a possible deployment in Jordan. Certainly the US military has set an option to HQ a substantive force at an airbase in Jordan.

    For the Israelis the increased Hizbollah & Iranian presence near their border with Syrian is a worry. They are not particularly enamored by the rebels fearing that the Salafist factions will pose a threat on its borders but the increased appearance and influence of the Iranian/Hizbollah axis, as evidenced by the increased pace of attempts to ship some heavy weaponry to Hizbollah in Lebanon, is a real headache. The Israelis will have calculated that better to stick one to Hizbollah and Iran in Syria is better.

    With the rebels stalling and indeed going into reverse in some important areas, expect calls for external intervention to support them to grow. Certainly many rebel commanders are planning for a long struggle.

    If I get time 'll maybe post about Israel's involvement in the Syrian conflict, and its multi dimensional.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    "AN ACADEMIC has been issued with security advice by his university and has been in contact with the police after independence supporters subjected him to a barrage of threatening abuse on the internet"

    http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/academic-gavin-bowd-calls-police-after-online-abuse-1-2920727
  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    edited May 2013

    "AN ACADEMIC has been issued with security advice by his university and has been in contact with the police after independence supporters subjected him to a barrage of threatening abuse on the internet"

    http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/academic-gavin-bowd-calls-police-after-online-abuse-1-2920727


    Rather confirms Dr Bowd's thesis , doesn't it ?

  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800
    tim said:

    UKIP projected vote share 22%
    UKIP + BNP vote share 2009 22%

    Funny that

    Here we go, Tim and the worried left have begun the sneer and smear.

    If the ex-BNP voters have switched to Ukip then they really are thick. The BNP are National Socialists, to the left of Labour but with frightening racism.

    Ukip have a sensible immigration policy (after the disgusting shambles of 13 years of Labour buying votes) but have right leaning, common sense policies.





  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,496
    Y0kel said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Things in Syria changing for the worse?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-22417482

    Israeli air strikes reported by BBC. One for @Yokel.

    I posted yesterday that the balance of probability was that the Israelis were going to strike again given their military posture. The media had picked up on an initial reported single strike against surface to surface missiles and this strike against the 'military research institute' but the Israelis were up to a lot more actions including mobilising to put an additional 20 000 strong force on their borders as a deterrent.

    On the battlefield I'd reckon Assad has been supplemented by maybe 8-10 000 fighting troops from Hizbollah and also Iranian militia in recent weeks. This is helping a recent swing in his favour and has improved his strategic position. There are also reports that Assads forces have launched artillery at rebel forces in Jordan, something that Washington will take note of as there are rumours that the US will boot up its plans to station actual conventional (SOF have been there for some time) fighting units in the country as a warning as a warning to Assad not to bother targeting Jordan. It may be that Obama's comments that he did not forsee US boots in Syria was actually getting in a comfort statement for the US public setting the scene for a possible deployment in Jordan. Certainly the US military has set an option to HQ a substantive force at an airbase in Jordan.

    For the Israelis the increased Hizbollah & Iranian presence near their border with Syrian is a worry. They are not particularly enamored by the rebels fearing that the Salafist factions will pose a threat on its borders but the increased appearance and influence of the Iranian/Hizbollah axis is evidenced by the increased pace of attempts to ship some heavy weaponry to Hizbollah in Lebanon is a real headache. The Israelis will have calculated that better to stick one to Hizbollah and Iran in Syria is better.

    With the rebels stalling and indeed going into reverse in some important areas, expect calls for external intervention to support them to grow. Certainly many rebel commanders are planning for a long struggle.

    If I get time 'll maybe post about Israel's involvement in the Syrian conflict, and its multi dimensional.
    @Yokel, excellent post once again , definitely one of the top posters on here, keep up the good work.
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    If I was a UKIP councillor/canvasser I'd be a bit non-plussed by my leader's offer to join the tories if they oust Cameron today.

    Such an offer surely shows Nige doesn;t really believe UKIP is a long term goer, and nor does he have much time for the people who have worked on his behalf.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,496

    "AN ACADEMIC has been issued with security advice by his university and has been in contact with the police after independence supporters subjected him to a barrage of threatening abuse on the internet"

    http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/academic-gavin-bowd-calls-police-after-online-abuse-1-2920727

    LoL, stupid unionist donkey abuses and insults people and then wonders why some headbangers are attracted to abuse him back. You could not make it up , I presume they were having a laugh when they said "ACADEMIC" instead of numpty. What a big jessie.
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    BBC Breaking News ‏@BBCBreaking
    UK MP Nigel Evans expresses "incredulity" over allegations of rape and sexual assault of two men "one of whom I continued to socialise with"

    If he can prove that to police satisfaction, there'll be no by-election. It seems that Evans has been keeping vipers close to his bossom.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Interesting intervention in the Scottish debate:

    http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/referendum-news/a-new-blueprint-for-an-independent-scotland.20985084

    Not sure I buy it's proposals - but I suspect more than a few Scots might - and its a refreshing change from the 'it'll be exactly the same, only different' currently on offer.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,514
    tim said:

    UKIP get 14.7% in Lancashire
    Further from the SE the weaker the effect?

    That or they're just getting going up North. Will you be voting for them next time round ?
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    taffys said:

    If I was a UKIP councillor/canvasser I'd be a bit non-plussed by my leader's offer to join the tories if they oust Cameron today.

    Such an offer surely shows Nige doesn;t really believe UKIP is a long term goer, and nor does he have much time for the people who have worked on his behalf.

    He didn't say that. He offered to speak to a new Tory leader, but added that his main aim was to continue to build up UKIP to eventually replace the conservatives.

    Selective hearing again, taffys?

  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800

    tim said:

    UKIP get 14.7% in Lancashire
    Further from the SE the weaker the effect?

    That or they're just getting going up North. Will you be voting for them next time round ?
    They are starting to eat into the Labour heartlands, hence tim's pathetic smearing

  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    malcolmg said:

    "AN ACADEMIC has been issued with security advice by his university and has been in contact with the police after independence supporters subjected him to a barrage of threatening abuse on the internet"

    http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/academic-gavin-bowd-calls-police-after-online-abuse-1-2920727

    LoL, stupid unionist donkey abuses and insults people and then wonders why some headbangers are attracted to abuse him back. You could not make it up , I presume they were having a laugh when they said "ACADEMIC" instead of numpty. What a big jessie.
    More evidence for Dr Bowd: "very authoritarian, very intolerant, very xenophobic..."
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,496

    "AN ACADEMIC has been issued with security advice by his university and has been in contact with the police after independence supporters subjected him to a barrage of threatening abuse on the internet"

    http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/academic-gavin-bowd-calls-police-after-online-abuse-1-2920727


    Rather confirms Dr Bowd's thesis , doesn't it ?

    LOL, cue another numpty who has probably not even read the story. It only proves that if you lie about and abuse people some of them may well take offence and abuse you back. People who are unable to take criticism should refrain from abusing other people is the whole point of the story , given any intelligent person knows the intelligence levels of large swathes of the population nowadays.
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    tim said:

    UKIP get 14.7% in Lancashire
    Further from the SE the weaker the effect?

    The UKIP magic dust has yet to settle in the northern and South west parts. But hey, tim, suddenly 139 newly elected UKIP councillors are not enough for you.

  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    malcolmg said:

    "AN ACADEMIC has been issued with security advice by his university and has been in contact with the police after independence supporters subjected him to a barrage of threatening abuse on the internet"

    http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/academic-gavin-bowd-calls-police-after-online-abuse-1-2920727

    LoL, stupid unionist donkey abuses and insults people and then wonders why some headbangers are attracted to abuse him back. You could not make it up , I presume they were having a laugh when they said "ACADEMIC" instead of numpty. What a big jessie.
    It must be unpleasant to be reminded of the origins of your party , but academics have a duty to truth and history.
  • MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    edited May 2013
    MikeK said:

    BBC Breaking News ‏@BBCBreaking
    UK MP Nigel Evans expresses "incredulity" over allegations of rape and sexual assault of two men "one of whom I continued to socialise with"

    If he can prove that to police satisfaction, there'll be no by-election. It seems that Evans has been keeping vipers close to his bossom.

    I am looking forward to Carlotta presuming his guilt , calling for him to be investigated by his party and wanting and praising a witch hunt by the media .
    Oh he is a Conservative not a Lib Dem , so we will not see that .

  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,514

    tim said:

    UKIP get 14.7% in Lancashire
    Further from the SE the weaker the effect?

    That or they're just getting going up North. Will you be voting for them next time round ?
    They are starting to eat into the Labour heartlands, hence tim's pathetic smearing

    Well they have the potential to do so, but we really need to see what performance is like in the big cities before we can say that. If UKIP can swing places like Rotherham - where basically Labour have done everything bar piss on their children but still get elected - then I'll start to believe it. As was pointed out yesterday UKIP missed a real opportunity in Doncaster, it would have blown Ed's One Nation Drivel apart, shame.
  • MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    JackW said:

    @MarkSenior

    Between your disgraceful but fruitless attempts to set up a yellow peril insurgency in Harpenden and propping up the profits of vodka manufacturers worldwide, have you had the chance to assess the other LibDem seats and perhaps a few targets from thursday. How might they compare with my latest ARSE projection of 45 seats for the LIbDems ?

    Hi Jack , I have done some calculations on Lib Dem seats . Cornwall is difficult because of the Independent influence ( they show LD gaining SE Cornwall but Conservatives gaining St Ives ) but overall most Lib Dem seats would be held so your forecast is reasonable .

  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Pity they've rejected some of the more imaginative suggestions - but you too can vote to 'Name That Bridge' for the new Firth of Forth Road Bridge:

    http://www.namethebridge.co.uk

    "IT could have been named the Rab C Nes-bridge, the Haggis Highway, the Kate Middleton Bridge or even simply Kevin.

    But after months of sifting through more than 7,500 suggestions for what is destined to become the most iconic landmark in Scotland for a generation, a shortlist of names for the new Forth Crossing has finally been decided.

    The odder and more colourful suggestions have been rejected, as have the rather grander ideas such as the William Wallace Bridge or the Freedom Crossing.

    Instead, the Scottish public will now vote for their favourite from a list of five including The Caledonia Bridge and the Saltire Crossing. The other suggestions are the Firth of Forth Crossing, the Queensferry Crossing and St Margaret’s Crossing."

    http://www.scotsman.com/news/transport/new-forth-bridge-names-revealed-as-public-decide-1-2912814
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216

    MikeK said:

    BBC Breaking News ‏@BBCBreaking
    UK MP Nigel Evans expresses "incredulity" over allegations of rape and sexual assault of two men "one of whom I continued to socialise with"

    If he can prove that to police satisfaction, there'll be no by-election. It seems that Evans has been keeping vipers close to his bossom.

    I am looking forward to Carlotta presuming his guilt , calling for him to be investigated by his party and wanting and praising a witch hunt by the media .
    Oh he is a Conservative not a Lib Dem , so we will not see that .
    Have complaints been made about him to his party, and ignored for years?

    Thought not.....but a saintly Lib Dem, on the other hand.....

  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,496

    Interesting intervention in the Scottish debate:

    http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/referendum-news/a-new-blueprint-for-an-independent-scotland.20985084

    Not sure I buy it's proposals - but I suspect more than a few Scots might - and its a refreshing change from the 'it'll be exactly the same, only different' currently on offer.

    Fare on offer at the moment seems mixed. The NO campaign are sticking to their usual negative , you will be poor , barbed wire at the border type stuff , YES are just trying to rebut their negativity by saying its mince. However there have been a few more non party type articles which have been far more balanced and given some reasonable opinions. Hopefully it continues to improve.
    Personally the NO campaign refusing to look properly at the issues re EU etc and just stick with scare stories will come back to haunt them. I cannot see UK being in great shape by the referendum, cuts are biting , UKIP will likely have won the
    Euro election etc etc. Lots of things that will influence the vote still to be seen yet and the "Don't Knows" are key. Unionists will be in a mess on their many promises of the versions of Devo Max they are promising etc, and the trump card of Cameron and Osborne messing it up big time is always there.
    It will come down to do you want a caring compassionate Scotland or do we continue to go with the UK on a right wing , low wage , no welfare state strategy. Whoever can make the people believe that will win. Labour are fast being seen as Tories , Lib Dems are a joke. It is all to play for and result is wide open.
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    Paul Waugh ‏@paulwaugh
    Whenever I see an MP making a personal statement at their home, just can't get Sir Norman Fry, glace cherries + murray mints out of my head.

    Is this Paul Waugh casting doubts on Evans statement?
    What does he know that others don't?
  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    CV , St Margaret's Crossing gets my vote.
  • MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699

    MikeK said:

    BBC Breaking News ‏@BBCBreaking
    UK MP Nigel Evans expresses "incredulity" over allegations of rape and sexual assault of two men "one of whom I continued to socialise with"

    If he can prove that to police satisfaction, there'll be no by-election. It seems that Evans has been keeping vipers close to his bossom.

    I am looking forward to Carlotta presuming his guilt , calling for him to be investigated by his party and wanting and praising a witch hunt by the media .
    Oh he is a Conservative not a Lib Dem , so we will not see that .
    Have complaints been made about him to his party, and ignored for years?


    We don't know yet , we will have to see what a media witch hunt turns up if there is one .

  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,496

    malcolmg said:

    "AN ACADEMIC has been issued with security advice by his university and has been in contact with the police after independence supporters subjected him to a barrage of threatening abuse on the internet"

    http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/academic-gavin-bowd-calls-police-after-online-abuse-1-2920727

    LoL, stupid unionist donkey abuses and insults people and then wonders why some headbangers are attracted to abuse him back. You could not make it up , I presume they were having a laugh when they said "ACADEMIC" instead of numpty. What a big jessie.
    It must be unpleasant to be reminded of the origins of your party , but academics have a duty to truth and history.
    Not my party Dumbo , I may be for independence but I am not and have never been an SNP member. They have the loan of my vote only, as long as they are the only party standing for independence. I am a tad too right wing to be a member.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    antifrank said:

    Why shouldn't Romanians get compensated if they're injured because of someone else's fault? And I'm sure Osbornes are delighted both at being described as a leading law firm and at all the free publicity.

    Am having increasing doubts about no win, no fee though.

    Access to justice is important, but there needs to be disincentives for vexatious or fraudulent litigation to.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,514
    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    "AN ACADEMIC has been issued with security advice by his university and has been in contact with the police after independence supporters subjected him to a barrage of threatening abuse on the internet"

    http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/academic-gavin-bowd-calls-police-after-online-abuse-1-2920727

    LoL, stupid unionist donkey abuses and insults people and then wonders why some headbangers are attracted to abuse him back. You could not make it up , I presume they were having a laugh when they said "ACADEMIC" instead of numpty. What a big jessie.
    It must be unpleasant to be reminded of the origins of your party , but academics have a duty to truth and history.
    Not my party Dumbo , I may be for independence but I am not and have never been an SNP member. They have the loan of my vote only, as long as they are the only party standing for independence. I am a tad too right wing to be a member.
    yes but in Scottish terms that means you're a Liberal Democrat malc ;-)
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,496

    Pity they've rejected some of the more imaginative suggestions - but you too can vote to 'Name That Bridge' for the new Firth of Forth Road Bridge:

    http://www.namethebridge.co.uk

    "IT could have been named the Rab C Nes-bridge, the Haggis Highway, the Kate Middleton Bridge or even simply Kevin.

    But after months of sifting through more than 7,500 suggestions for what is destined to become the most iconic landmark in Scotland for a generation, a shortlist of names for the new Forth Crossing has finally been decided.

    The odder and more colourful suggestions have been rejected, as have the rather grander ideas such as the William Wallace Bridge or the Freedom Crossing.

    Instead, the Scottish public will now vote for their favourite from a list of five including The Caledonia Bridge and the Saltire Crossing. The other suggestions are the Firth of Forth Crossing, the Queensferry Crossing and St Margaret’s Crossing."

    http://www.scotsman.com/news/transport/new-forth-bridge-names-revealed-as-public-decide-1-2912814

    I would go for "The Queensferry Crossing"
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216

    MikeK said:

    BBC Breaking News ‏@BBCBreaking
    UK MP Nigel Evans expresses "incredulity" over allegations of rape and sexual assault of two men "one of whom I continued to socialise with"

    If he can prove that to police satisfaction, there'll be no by-election. It seems that Evans has been keeping vipers close to his bossom.

    I am looking forward to Carlotta presuming his guilt , calling for him to be investigated by his party and wanting and praising a witch hunt by the media .
    Oh he is a Conservative not a Lib Dem , so we will not see that .
    Have complaints been made about him to his party, and ignored for years?


    We don't know yet , we will have to see what a media witch hunt turns up if there is one .
    The LibDem stories came from the media on the basis of internal Lib Dem failure to deal with complaints - this has come from the police.

    Still happy with the way the Lib Dems handled the complaints?

  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,496
    edited May 2013

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    "AN ACADEMIC has been issued with security advice by his university and has been in contact with the police after independence supporters subjected him to a barrage of threatening abuse on the internet"

    http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/academic-gavin-bowd-calls-police-after-online-abuse-1-2920727

    LoL, stupid unionist donkey abuses and insults people and then wonders why some headbangers are attracted to abuse him back. You could not make it up , I presume they were having a laugh when they said "ACADEMIC" instead of numpty. What a big jessie.
    It must be unpleasant to be reminded of the origins of your party , but academics have a duty to truth and history.
    Not my party Dumbo , I may be for independence but I am not and have never been an SNP member. They have the loan of my vote only, as long as they are the only party standing for independence. I am a tad too right wing to be a member.
    yes but in Scottish terms that means you're a Liberal Democrat malc ;-)
    Alan, That is a real insult, like being compared to a rattlesnake. I would prefer Labour.

    They are as far right wing as anyone in Scotland at present.
  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    "AN ACADEMIC has been issued with security advice by his university and has been in contact with the police after independence supporters subjected him to a barrage of threatening abuse on the internet"

    http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/academic-gavin-bowd-calls-police-after-online-abuse-1-2920727

    LoL, stupid unionist donkey abuses and insults people and then wonders why some headbangers are attracted to abuse him back. You could not make it up , I presume they were having a laugh when they said "ACADEMIC" instead of numpty. What a big jessie.
    It must be unpleasant to be reminded of the origins of your party , but academics have a duty to truth and history.
    Not my party Dumbo , I may be for independence but I am not and have never been an SNP member. They have the loan of my vote only, as long as they are the only party standing for independence. I am a tad too right wing to be a member.

    The SNP isn't offering independence , it's offering Scotland pawn status on an EU chess-board. You may be sacrificed at will like your " arc of prosperity " cousins , Eire.

  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216

    CV , St Margaret's Crossing gets my vote.

    I voted for that too - 'Queensferry Crossing' would have been my second choice - why the heck is this being done on FPTP?????

  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,514
    Charles said:

    antifrank said:

    Why shouldn't Romanians get compensated if they're injured because of someone else's fault? And I'm sure Osbornes are delighted both at being described as a leading law firm and at all the free publicity.

    Am having increasing doubts about no win, no fee though.

    Access to justice is important, but there needs to be disincentives for vexatious or fraudulent litigation to.
    That has been the case for years though Charles, the one way vexatious litigation path has been a business irritant for years, the recent nods at reforming it are one of the issues I'd give HMG credit for in addressing business concerns.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,496

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    "AN ACADEMIC has been issued with security advice by his university and has been in contact with the police after independence supporters subjected him to a barrage of threatening abuse on the internet"

    http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/academic-gavin-bowd-calls-police-after-online-abuse-1-2920727

    LoL, stupid unionist donkey abuses and insults people and then wonders why some headbangers are attracted to abuse him back. You could not make it up , I presume they were having a laugh when they said "ACADEMIC" instead of numpty. What a big jessie.
    It must be unpleasant to be reminded of the origins of your party , but academics have a duty to truth and history.
    Not my party Dumbo , I may be for independence but I am not and have never been an SNP member. They have the loan of my vote only, as long as they are the only party standing for independence. I am a tad too right wing to be a member.

    The SNP isn't offering independence , it's offering Scotland pawn status on an EU chess-board. You may be sacrificed at will like your " arc of prosperity " cousins , Eire.

    yawn yawn, I see them begging to get back into the bankrupt union. They have more say in the EU than the UK has, Cameron goes over there all bluster and they just laugh and ignore him for the fool he is. He comes back with his tail between his legs and the UK ante up their share for the latest bailout.
  • MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699

    MikeK said:

    BBC Breaking News ‏@BBCBreaking
    UK MP Nigel Evans expresses "incredulity" over allegations of rape and sexual assault of two men "one of whom I continued to socialise with"

    If he can prove that to police satisfaction, there'll be no by-election. It seems that Evans has been keeping vipers close to his bossom.

    I am looking forward to Carlotta presuming his guilt , calling for him to be investigated by his party and wanting and praising a witch hunt by the media .
    Oh he is a Conservative not a Lib Dem , so we will not see that .
    Have complaints been made about him to his party, and ignored for years?


    We don't know yet , we will have to see what a media witch hunt turns up if there is one .
    The LibDem stories came from the media on the basis of internal Lib Dem failure to deal with complaints - this has come from the police.

    Still happy with the way the Lib Dems handled the complaints?

    Wherever it comes from , the story concerns a Conservative not a Lib Dem so there will not be 500 posts from you on the subject .

  • anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746
    "Patrick O'Flynn ‏@oflynnexpress 59m
    @glasterlaw1 @HappySlayerUK my bet is he [Mr Farage] will stand in Kent, where he lives."

    https://twitter.com/oflynnexpress/status/330967176804720640
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,514
    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    "AN ACADEMIC has been issued with security advice by his university and has been in contact with the police after independence supporters subjected him to a barrage of threatening abuse on the internet"

    http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/academic-gavin-bowd-calls-police-after-online-abuse-1-2920727

    LoL, stupid unionist donkey abuses and insults people and then wonders why some headbangers are attracted to abuse him back. You could not make it up , I presume they were having a laugh when they said "ACADEMIC" instead of numpty. What a big jessie.
    It must be unpleasant to be reminded of the origins of your party , but academics have a duty to truth and history.
    Not my party Dumbo , I may be for independence but I am not and have never been an SNP member. They have the loan of my vote only, as long as they are the only party standing for independence. I am a tad too right wing to be a member.
    yes but in Scottish terms that means you're a Liberal Democrat malc ;-)
    Alan, That is a real insult, like being compared to a rattlesnake. I would prefer Labour.

    They are as far right wing as anyone in Scotland at present.
    LOL, wait until the Blairte agenda hits Scotland, you'll be off invading places !
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216

    MikeK said:

    BBC Breaking News ‏@BBCBreaking
    UK MP Nigel Evans expresses "incredulity" over allegations of rape and sexual assault of two men "one of whom I continued to socialise with"

    If he can prove that to police satisfaction, there'll be no by-election. It seems that Evans has been keeping vipers close to his bossom.

    I am looking forward to Carlotta presuming his guilt , calling for him to be investigated by his party and wanting and praising a witch hunt by the media .
    Oh he is a Conservative not a Lib Dem , so we will not see that .
    Have complaints been made about him to his party, and ignored for years?


    We don't know yet , we will have to see what a media witch hunt turns up if there is one .
    The LibDem stories came from the media on the basis of internal Lib Dem failure to deal with complaints - this has come from the police.

    Still happy with the way the Lib Dems handled the complaints?

    Wherever it comes from , the story concerns a Conservative not a Lib Dem so there will not be 500 posts from you on the subject .
    So that's a 'yes' on happy with the way the Lib Dems handled the complaints?
  • john_zimsjohn_zims Posts: 3,399
    @edmundintokyo

    'Eastleigh would be a good example where tactical voters will probably get it wrong'

    The evidence from Thursday is that tactical voters got it right, UKIP now only 2% behind the Lib Dems in Eastleigh.
  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    "AN ACADEMIC has been issued with security advice by his university and has been in contact with the police after independence supporters subjected him to a barrage of threatening abuse on the internet"

    http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/academic-gavin-bowd-calls-police-after-online-abuse-1-2920727

    LoL, stupid unionist donkey abuses and insults people and then wonders why some headbangers are attracted to abuse him back. You could not make it up , I presume they were having a laugh when they said "ACADEMIC" instead of numpty. What a big jessie.
    It must be unpleasant to be reminded of the origins of your party , but academics have a duty to truth and history.
    Not my party Dumbo , I may be for independence but I am not and have never been an SNP member. They have the loan of my vote only, as long as they are the only party standing for independence. I am a tad too right wing to be a member.

    The SNP isn't offering independence , it's offering Scotland pawn status on an EU chess-board. You may be sacrificed at will like your " arc of prosperity " cousins , Eire.

    yawn yawn, I see them begging to get back into the bankrupt union. They have more say in the EU than the UK has, Cameron goes over there all bluster and they just laugh and ignore him for the fool he is. He comes back with his tail between his legs and the UK ante up their share for the latest bailout.


    Of course , Malcolm , the SNP and Eire are making all of the cute moves just like they did in 1940.

  • anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746
    "UKIP had 879 second places add that to the wins and 55% of our candidates came first or second"

    https://twitter.com/MayorOfRamsey/status/330960061595791360
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,496

    CV , St Margaret's Crossing gets my vote.

    I voted for that too - 'Queensferry Crossing' would have been my second choice - why the heck is this being done on FPTP?????

    Not the St Margaret you are thinking it is mind you but it would be my second choice, she is linked with Queensferry of course.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,496

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    "AN ACADEMIC has been issued with security advice by his university and has been in contact with the police after independence supporters subjected him to a barrage of threatening abuse on the internet"

    http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/academic-gavin-bowd-calls-police-after-online-abuse-1-2920727

    LoL, stupid unionist donkey abuses and insults people and then wonders why some headbangers are attracted to abuse him back. You could not make it up , I presume they were having a laugh when they said "ACADEMIC" instead of numpty. What a big jessie.
    It must be unpleasant to be reminded of the origins of your party , but academics have a duty to truth and history.
    Not my party Dumbo , I may be for independence but I am not and have never been an SNP member. They have the loan of my vote only, as long as they are the only party standing for independence. I am a tad too right wing to be a member.
    yes but in Scottish terms that means you're a Liberal Democrat malc ;-)
    Alan, That is a real insult, like being compared to a rattlesnake. I would prefer Labour.

    They are as far right wing as anyone in Scotland at present.
    LOL, wait until the Blairte agenda hits Scotland, you'll be off invading places !
    LOL, you are on form this morning Alan. Biggest downside of independence will be the stampede of the swillers from Westminster once they are barred from the trough and all the safe seats are divvied up. They will suddenly all be ordering kilts and becoming Scottish again.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,496

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    "AN ACADEMIC has been issued with security advice by his university and has been in contact with the police after independence supporters subjected him to a barrage of threatening abuse on the internet"

    http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/academic-gavin-bowd-calls-police-after-online-abuse-1-2920727

    LoL, stupid unionist donkey abuses and insults people and then wonders why some headbangers are attracted to abuse him back. You could not make it up , I presume they were having a laugh when they said "ACADEMIC" instead of numpty. What a big jessie.
    It must be unpleasant to be reminded of the origins of your party , but academics have a duty to truth and history.
    Not my party Dumbo , I may be for independence but I am not and have never been an SNP member. They have the loan of my vote only, as long as they are the only party standing for independence. I am a tad too right wing to be a member.

    The SNP isn't offering independence , it's offering Scotland pawn status on an EU chess-board. You may be sacrificed at will like your " arc of prosperity " cousins , Eire.

    yawn yawn, I see them begging to get back into the bankrupt union. They have more say in the EU than the UK has, Cameron goes over there all bluster and they just laugh and ignore him for the fool he is. He comes back with his tail between his legs and the UK ante up their share for the latest bailout.


    Of course , Malcolm , the SNP and Eire are making all of the cute moves just like they did in 1940.

    Dear dear dear
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    malcolmg said:

    CV , St Margaret's Crossing gets my vote.

    I voted for that too - 'Queensferry Crossing' would have been my second choice - why the heck is this being done on FPTP?????

    Not the St Margaret you are thinking it is mind you but it would be my second choice, she is linked with Queensferry of course.
    It was the 'St Margaret' I was thinking of - but I think a saint linked to the site is better than the other bland offerings (and also has the coincidental advantage of remembering the recently departed PM - who I doubt is in line for canonisation....)
  • anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746
    john_zims said:

    @edmundintokyo

    'Eastleigh would be a good example where tactical voters will probably get it wrong'

    The evidence from Thursday is that tactical voters got it right, UKIP now only 2% behind the Lib Dems in Eastleigh.

    Do we know who the UKIP candidate will be in 2015, or is that to be decided closer to the election?

  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,561
    TGOHF said:

    Tim - is that official Labour tactics to fight Ukip - just call them racists for next 2 years ? Clarke and Cam have already been down that path..

    Most CURRENT Labour voters (unlike some of those who have wandered off to other parties during 1997-2010) are pretty allergic to anything seen as the reactionary right. Some Conservative voters don't feel that being reactionary is a deal-breaker and wander off to UKIP anyway. South Shields was a good illustration - Labour vote share virtually unchanged despite all the hype, Tory vote switching to UKIP in droves.

    SeanT's friends are a good anecdotal example. It's not that they've thought about voting UKIP but decided on balance not at the moment. They can't imagine why anyone would conceivably want to vote UKIP. That's particularly true in marginal seats where the Labour vote tends to be more centrist and middle-class. Some find the UKIP surge horrific, others view it with detached amusement, very few want to join in.

  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    Under PR^2

    Con 197
    Lab 235
    LD 49
    UKIP 141
    Oth 10
    NI 18

    Con-UKIP coalition.
  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    "AN ACADEMIC has been issued with security advice by his university and has been in contact with the police after independence supporters subjected him to a barrage of threatening abuse on the internet"

    http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/academic-gavin-bowd-calls-police-after-online-abuse-1-2920727

    LoL, stupid unionist donkey abuses and insults people and then wonders why some headbangers are attracted to abuse him back. You could not make it up , I presume they were having a laugh when they said "ACADEMIC" instead of numpty. What a big jessie.
    It must be unpleasant to be reminded of the origins of your party , but academics have a duty to truth and history.
    Not my party Dumbo , I may be for independence but I am not and have never been an SNP member. They have the loan of my vote only, as long as they are the only party standing for independence. I am a tad too right wing to be a member.

    The SNP isn't offering independence , it's offering Scotland pawn status on an EU chess-board. You may be sacrificed at will like your " arc of prosperity " cousins , Eire.

    yawn yawn, I see them begging to get back into the bankrupt union. They have more say in the EU than the UK has, Cameron goes over there all bluster and they just laugh and ignore him for the fool he is. He comes back with his tail between his legs and the UK ante up their share for the latest bailout.


    Of course , Malcolm , the SNP and Eire are making all of the cute moves just like they did in 1940.

    Dear dear dear
    Oh dear . oh dear , oh dear.

    Indeed , tragedy followed by farce.

  • Interesting supplementaries in YouGov on attitude to naming suspects on arrest and charge with different offences.

    Strong support for anonymity on arrest (eg net secret, sexual offences, +59) becomes much more evenly balanced on charging (net secret, sexual offence -2), but falls away significantly on crimes like murder (net secret, arrest: +39, charge, -20)

    Probably due to the fact there's more (somewhat strange but also understandable) deemed disgust at someone accussed of sexual offenses than of murder.
    I suspect it's probably because there are rather more cases of false accusations over sexual offences than murder.
  • FluffyThoughtsFluffyThoughts Posts: 2,420
    malcolmg said:

    I would go for "The Queensferry Crossing"

    Nay: It should by historical rights be called 'The Antonine Crossing'. And 'The Mull of Kintyre' renamed as 'Celtic Bridgeway'!

    But I digress....

  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216

    Interesting supplementaries in YouGov on attitude to naming suspects on arrest and charge with different offences.

    Strong support for anonymity on arrest (eg net secret, sexual offences, +59) becomes much more evenly balanced on charging (net secret, sexual offence -2), but falls away significantly on crimes like murder (net secret, arrest: +39, charge, -20)

    Probably due to the fact there's more (somewhat strange but also understandable) deemed disgust at someone accussed of sexual offenses than of murder.
    I suspect it's probably because there are rather more cases of false accusations over sexual offences than murder.
    Yes - and also when someone is acquitted of murder there is less likely to be a 'no smoke without fire' view of the acquittal......
  • john_zimsjohn_zims Posts: 3,399
    @anotherDave

    Hard to imagine it wouldn't be Diane James.
  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800

    TGOHF said:

    Tim - is that official Labour tactics to fight Ukip - just call them racists for next 2 years ? Clarke and Cam have already been down that path..


    Most CURRENT Labour voters (unlike some of those who have wandered off to other parties during 1997-2010) are pretty allergic to anything seen as the reactionary right. Some Conservative voters don't feel that being reactionary is a deal-breaker and wander off to UKIP anyway. South Shields was a good illustration - Labour vote share virtually unchanged despite all the hype, Tory vote switching to UKIP in droves.

    SeanT's friends are a good anecdotal example. It's not that they've thought about voting UKIP but decided on balance not at the moment. They can't imagine why anyone would conceivably want to vote UKIP. That's particularly true in marginal seats where the Labour vote tends to be more centrist and middle-class. Some find the UKIP surge horrific, others view it with detached amusement, very few want to join in.

    What arrogant bollocks.

    A prime example of how the political classes are out of touch with the voters, hope your party takes the same view as you Nick, you could be in for a surprise.

  • GasmanGasman Posts: 132
    RodCrosby said:

    Under PR^2

    Con 197
    Lab 235
    LD 49
    UKIP 141
    Oth 10
    NI 18

    Con-UKIP coalition.

    Just a question regarding your PR^2 system - are you envisaging having separate counts in each of the home nations, or one big count UK wide? If the latter then how will NI still get 18 religious loonies and terrorists elected? If the former it surely won't be as proportional overall?
  • samsam Posts: 727
    tim said:

    @Edmund
    Rallings and Thrasher look at turnout by age too don't they? it'll be a lot higher in the younger age groups at a GE than it wAs on Thurs.
    Of course I'll offer £50 at evens that UKIP don't win Boston and Skegness
    Same goes for Aylesbury


    Oooh how tempting! Knockover in the rush no doubt for such a generous offer!

    Ill offer 4/6 each of two about the toss of a coin, form an orderly queue
  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800
    tim said:

    politicshomeuk ‏@politicshomeuk
    UKIP's Godfrey Bloom says "there isn't a black hole" in his party's spending, points out there is £50bn to be saved by scrapping quangos

    He's more ridiculous than Maude, and that takes some doing.

    tim said:

    politicshomeuk ‏@politicshomeuk
    UKIP's Godfrey Bloom says "there isn't a black hole" in his party's spending, points out there is £50bn to be saved by scrapping quangos

    He's more ridiculous than Maude, and that takes some doing.

    What are the Labour spending plans tim?

  • FluffyThoughtsFluffyThoughts Posts: 2,420

    Most CURRENT Labour voters (unlike some of those who have wandered off to other parties during 1997-2010) are pretty allergic to anything seen as the reactionary right.

    And thus spake,
    Sven of the "Eat-me-feet";
    Gorm-less-ess,
    Tribes and tribulations.

    With Laud West,
    Of Amazon,
    All sunken and
    Be-ee-reft and Nokiaed!

    Ninety-days incarcerated,
    They preached;
    As as liberal,
    As when they cant [sic].

    Bequeathed;
    A law and Navy:
    So troubled as to
    Effectively as not navigate...!

    Amen!


  • john_zimsjohn_zims Posts: 3,399
    edited May 2013
    @MikeK

    'He didn't say that. He offered to speak to a new Tory leader, but added that his main aim was to continue to build up UKIP to eventually replace the conservatives.

    Selective hearing again, taffys?'

    Not according to reports last night,just says they would prefer to do a deal with Boris rather than Cameron.

    'TheScreamingEagles said:
    Paywall

    THE UKIP treasurer says its leadership would rather deal with Boris Johnson than with David Cameron in the run-up to the next election.

    Stuart Wheeler, the multimillionaire former Tory donor, said it was “much more likely” that his party could work with the mayor of London than the prime minister on a potential pact in certain constituencies in the 2015 general election.

    Nigel Farage’s party does not trust Cameron to deliver a referendum on Britain’s membership of the EU and believes Johnson is a truer Eurosceptic.

    “If Boris Johnson’s policies were acceptable, which I think on the whole they would be, I would be happy to do that [a deal],” Wheeler said. He suggested that if Johnson became Tory leader, there would be significant potential for talks between the two parties. UKIP insiders indicated last night that Farage shared Wheeler’s view.
  • anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746
    john_zims said:

    @anotherDave

    Hard to imagine it wouldn't be Diane James.

    Yes, but UKIP have just won some councillors in Eastleigh. I thought that might change things.

  • RicardohosRicardohos Posts: 258
    OGH wrote: 'But one thing’s for sure – the fact that GE2015 will be held with FPTP will penalise the purples and help the reds and the yellows.'

    Unless this is just the start and they break through the threshold ...
  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792

    tim said:

    politicshomeuk ‏@politicshomeuk
    UKIP's Godfrey Bloom says "there isn't a black hole" in his party's spending, points out there is

    £50bn to be saved by scrapping quangos

    He's more ridiculous than Maude, and that takes some doing.

    tim said:

    politicshomeuk ‏@politicshomeuk
    UKIP's Godfrey Bloom says "there isn't a black hole" in his party's spending, points out there is £50bn to be saved by scrapping quangos

    He's more ridiculous than Maude, and that takes some doing.

    What are the Labour spending plans tim?

    Who cares what Labour's spending plans are ? Labour governments have always spelt ruin from 1945 to 2010. It's time that the failed Labour experiment in stupidity was shut down , permanently.
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,708
    john_zims said:

    @edmundintokyo

    'Eastleigh would be a good example where tactical voters will probably get it wrong'

    The evidence from Thursday is that tactical voters got it right, UKIP now only 2% behind the Lib Dems in Eastleigh.

    Sure, but you'd expect some general election squeeze. How far were UKIP ahead of Con?
  • john_zimsjohn_zims Posts: 3,399
    edited May 2013
    @nigel4england

    'What are the Labour spending plans tim?'

    A blank piece of paper.

    To be fair to Ed he wanted to tell us, but chickened out at the last minute on his WATO interview,guess he didn't want to frighten voters before last Thursday's elections.
  • samsam Posts: 727
    tim said:

    UKIP projected vote share 22%
    UKIP + BNP vote share 2009 22%

    Funny that

    Labour spinners employing Dave and Kens smear tactics a week late...
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,514

    tim said:

    politicshomeuk ‏@politicshomeuk
    UKIP's Godfrey Bloom says "there isn't a black hole" in his party's spending, points out there is £50bn to be saved by scrapping quangos

    He's more ridiculous than Maude, and that takes some doing.

    tim said:

    politicshomeuk ‏@politicshomeuk
    UKIP's Godfrey Bloom says "there isn't a black hole" in his party's spending, points out there is £50bn to be saved by scrapping quangos

    He's more ridiculous than Maude, and that takes some doing.

    What are the Labour spending plans tim?

    Spend spend spend - same as always.

    Despite have all those earnest young things trooping through Oxbridge, their economic policies still haven't got beyond Viv Nicholson.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787

    JackW said:

    @MarkSenior

    Between your disgraceful but fruitless attempts to set up a yellow peril insurgency in Harpenden and propping up the profits of vodka manufacturers worldwide, have you had the chance to assess the other LibDem seats and perhaps a few targets from thursday. How might they compare with my latest ARSE projection of 45 seats for the LIbDems ?

    Hi Jack , I have done some calculations on Lib Dem seats . Cornwall is difficult because of the Independent influence ( they show LD gaining SE Cornwall but Conservatives gaining St Ives ) but overall most Lib Dem seats would be held so your forecast is reasonable .

    Thanks Mark.

  • Gerry_ManderGerry_Mander Posts: 621
    Has it taken the inquest of Labour's performance off the front pages? If so, the Mirror should be congratulated.
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