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Labour’s left-wing problem – politicalbetting.com

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  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,972
    Primo?
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,767
    inter
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,161
    geoffw said:

    inter

    AC Milan
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,141
    edited October 5
    Is Duffield a meaningful figurehead for Labour’s left-wing problem? Her flounce seemed more personal rather than anything ideological, women with penises guff aside.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,433
    Thanks for this Off Centre.

    Whilst there might be a small grouping of left-wing ex-MPs, are they all cohesive enough to form a separate grouping? In the case of the likes of McDonnell and Corbyn, it seems possible as they've got very similar views. Burgon as well, possibly. But does Duffield agree with them enough?

    These MPs are solid in their own views, and are unwilling to bend them enough (or continue doing so...) to rejoin the Labour Party. Why would they want to bend them to cope with a grouping?
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,161
    A huge majority means that no faction within the PLP can hold the leadership to ransom.

    Starmer can allow as many on the left to throw their toys from the pram, virtue signal and tear up the membership cards as feel the need to do so.

    However, yes, come the next GE, if the result looks like it could be tight, a few more independents splitting the Labour vote and letting the Tories in could present a problem.

    We saw one Tory gain and at least one Tory hold as a result of this in 2024. If that becomes double figures, not good.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,864
    As these MPs held their seats even under Corbyn I would expect them to hold them next time too.

    Indeed Corbyn held his seat and beat Labour as an Independent even in July
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,877
    Thank-you for the header.

    I'm not sure that the Left group is that small. I have not added up the members of the Socialist Campaign Group, but when I looked fairly recently it was ~30 iirc, and I don't see that many will have lost their seats.

    OTOH against a 170+ majority, even that is not very many.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,172
    In the absence of PR, such efforts are likely to run into the ground. Probably.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 28,394
    Gove, Osborne & Danny the Fink rate the Tory contenders' conference speeches (in seven minutes):-
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwmFw427CpY
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,046
    Talking of things left wing I looked up the Ian Hislop story on Google and the first result was from the Guardian.

    Clicking on the story at the end of it there is the usual Graun plea for cash.

    "Teams of lawyers from the rich and powerful trying to stop us publishing stories they don’t want you to see."

    Well.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,172
    This is an obvious idea so good it's surprising no one did it properly a decade back.

    Having real temperature control (as opposed to power setting) on a stove top. The twist is having an integrated rechargeable battery, so the cooking surface can deliver instantaneous power that's well in excess of the mains supply.

    So we ended up integrating a new type of sensor with the highest performance induction system I think ever built ...

    After cooking with it, we realized something: actually having high heat + temperature sensing is ... big.

    Like "worth replacing a high end stove" big.

    https://x.com/sdamico/status/1826435062126313790
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,112
    edited October 5
    The Labour independents, and those elected as independents like Leicester's own Shockhat Adam* could form quite a grouping over time, though probably quite a loose one.

    Though if Starmer stands down before the next GE, I would expect a different style of leader who might attract them back. Leaders are usually replaced by someone who covers what was missed by the last one. So I would expect Labour's next leader to be more openly left wing and a better communicator of vision, perhaps Ms Rayner for example.

    *he seems quite left wing in his policies, as far as I can tell. He isn't particularly socially conservative.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,956
    So this is the reason why Bobby J is so popular with the MPs.

    Jenrick believes he remains the frontrunner. Following his speech he went straight to his car to begin making calls to MPs. There are claims his allies are floating the idea of paid shadow cabinet roles, funded by a donor. While the campaign has not ruled out the approach, Jenrick’s priority is said to be repairing the Conservative Party’s parlous finances.

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/labour-hopes-tory-melodrama-will-distract-from-freebies-cloud-cv5t0vb62

    IIRC only the Leader and the Shadow Chief Whip are paid salaries for shadow cabinet jobs (out of public funds.)
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,945
    Good morning, everyone.

    Mr Eagles, interesting that only the party leader and Shadow Chief Whip get salaries, but not the Shadow Chancellor.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,161
    Nigelb said:

    This is an obvious idea so good it's surprising no one did it properly a decade back.

    Having real temperature control (as opposed to power setting) on a stove top. The twist is having an integrated rechargeable battery, so the cooking surface can deliver instantaneous power that's well in excess of the mains supply.

    So we ended up integrating a new type of sensor with the highest performance induction system I think ever built ...

    After cooking with it, we realized something: actually having high heat + temperature sensing is ... big.

    Like "worth replacing a high end stove" big.

    https://x.com/sdamico/status/1826435062126313790

    Don't professional chefs use gas hobs? Where the flame temperature is essentially constant.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,112

    So this is the reason why Bobby J is so popular with the MPs.

    Jenrick believes he remains the frontrunner. Following his speech he went straight to his car to begin making calls to MPs. There are claims his allies are floating the idea of paid shadow cabinet roles, funded by a donor. While the campaign has not ruled out the approach, Jenrick’s priority is said to be repairing the Conservative Party’s parlous finances.

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/labour-hopes-tory-melodrama-will-distract-from-freebies-cloud-cv5t0vb62

    IIRC only the Leader and the Shadow Chief Whip are paid salaries for shadow cabinet jobs (out of public funds.)

    We have the best politicians that money can buy.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,112
    Nigelb said:

    This is an obvious idea so good it's surprising no one did it properly a decade back.

    Having real temperature control (as opposed to power setting) on a stove top. The twist is having an integrated rechargeable battery, so the cooking surface can deliver instantaneous power that's well in excess of the mains supply.

    So we ended up integrating a new type of sensor with the highest performance induction system I think ever built ...

    After cooking with it, we realized something: actually having high heat + temperature sensing is ... big.

    Like "worth replacing a high end stove" big.

    https://x.com/sdamico/status/1826435062126313790

    When we re-did our kitchen a couple of years back we got an induction hob. It's really quick, and easy to clean. It's as quick to adjust as gas, but I think I still prefer gas.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,943
    On topic, what I would expect to happen is what usually happens - the various trot left groups battle each other more than anyone else. Ideology drives behaviour and there is nothing more evil than a sellout.

    Jezbollah has tried to bring together an independent group for change and time will tell how stable that is.
  • Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    This is an obvious idea so good it's surprising no one did it properly a decade back.

    Having real temperature control (as opposed to power setting) on a stove top. The twist is having an integrated rechargeable battery, so the cooking surface can deliver instantaneous power that's well in excess of the mains supply.

    So we ended up integrating a new type of sensor with the highest performance induction system I think ever built ...

    After cooking with it, we realized something: actually having high heat + temperature sensing is ... big.

    Like "worth replacing a high end stove" big.

    https://x.com/sdamico/status/1826435062126313790

    When we re-did our kitchen a couple of years back we got an induction hob. It's really quick, and easy to clean. It's as quick to adjust as gas, but I think I still prefer gas.
    In twenty years it will still be perfect black shiny glass. When you see a gas hob that’s 20 you may want amto call environmental health.

    Love my induction hob. 20 this year.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,161

    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    This is an obvious idea so good it's surprising no one did it properly a decade back.

    Having real temperature control (as opposed to power setting) on a stove top. The twist is having an integrated rechargeable battery, so the cooking surface can deliver instantaneous power that's well in excess of the mains supply.

    So we ended up integrating a new type of sensor with the highest performance induction system I think ever built ...

    After cooking with it, we realized something: actually having high heat + temperature sensing is ... big.

    Like "worth replacing a high end stove" big.

    https://x.com/sdamico/status/1826435062126313790

    When we re-did our kitchen a couple of years back we got an induction hob. It's really quick, and easy to clean. It's as quick to adjust as gas, but I think I still prefer gas.
    In twenty years it will still be perfect black shiny glass. When you see a gas hob that’s 20 you may want amto call environmental health.

    Love my induction hob. 20 this year.
    Induction hob, great.

    Half your pans being incompatible with an Induction hob, not so great.

  • MustaphaMondeoMustaphaMondeo Posts: 193
    edited October 5
    Cast iron wok. ❤️

    Sorry for the off topic. It’s just a thing I can’t not enthuse about. Magic powers from an unimaginable future on my worktop.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,888
    edited October 5

    So this is the reason why Bobby J is so popular with the MPs.

    Jenrick believes he remains the frontrunner. Following his speech he went straight to his car to begin making calls to MPs. There are claims his allies are floating the idea of paid shadow cabinet roles, funded by a donor. While the campaign has not ruled out the approach, Jenrick’s priority is said to be repairing the Conservative Party’s parlous finances.

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/labour-hopes-tory-melodrama-will-distract-from-freebies-cloud-cv5t0vb62

    IIRC only the Leader and the Shadow Chief Whip are paid salaries for shadow cabinet jobs (out of public funds.)

    Bearing in mind Starmer's travails over, Arsenalgate, Vic'slingeriegate and half a million quid donations from Lord Alli to the Labour Party, that is a very bold move from the next Prime Minister, Honest Bob. No wonder Tory MPs have largely avoided the furore.

    Surely Bernard Manning tribute act Frank Hester is one of the few this far out from the next GE to want to splash the cash. And we have all been told by the current iteration of PB Tories there is no such thing as a free lunch, unless it's the Spectator buying Leon's snap at the Groucho.

    Anyway, Johnson's pitch for next PM is gaining a head of steam. In his own mind at least.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,172

    Nigelb said:

    This is an obvious idea so good it's surprising no one did it properly a decade back.

    Having real temperature control (as opposed to power setting) on a stove top. The twist is having an integrated rechargeable battery, so the cooking surface can deliver instantaneous power that's well in excess of the mains supply.

    So we ended up integrating a new type of sensor with the highest performance induction system I think ever built ...

    After cooking with it, we realized something: actually having high heat + temperature sensing is ... big.

    Like "worth replacing a high end stove" big.

    https://x.com/sdamico/status/1826435062126313790

    Don't professional chefs use gas hobs? Where the flame temperature is essentially constant.
    No - this keeps the pan temperature at a set level, which is a completely different thing.

    A stove top gas flame burns at a bit under 2000 deg C - but the mount of energy it transfers to the pan varies with the amount of gas. A dry pan with nothing in it would eventually reach that temperature as the pan heats up, of course. Add food, and it becomes a lot more complicated.

    Cooking is a dynamic process, Controlling the temperature of the pan is actually quite a skill.
    A temperature controlled hob makes it easy - the control electronics do all the work of turning the power up and down.

  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 28,394

    So this is the reason why Bobby J is so popular with the MPs.

    Jenrick believes he remains the frontrunner. Following his speech he went straight to his car to begin making calls to MPs. There are claims his allies are floating the idea of paid shadow cabinet roles, funded by a donor. While the campaign has not ruled out the approach, Jenrick’s priority is said to be repairing the Conservative Party’s parlous finances.

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/labour-hopes-tory-melodrama-will-distract-from-freebies-cloud-cv5t0vb62

    IIRC only the Leader and the Shadow Chief Whip are paid salaries for shadow cabinet jobs (out of public funds.)

    LotO and two whips are salaried, according to Sir Old Lady's book, Kingmaker (so that, in Opposition, the 1922 Committee is almost the entire parliamentary party).
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,112
    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    This is an obvious idea so good it's surprising no one did it properly a decade back.

    Having real temperature control (as opposed to power setting) on a stove top. The twist is having an integrated rechargeable battery, so the cooking surface can deliver instantaneous power that's well in excess of the mains supply.

    So we ended up integrating a new type of sensor with the highest performance induction system I think ever built ...

    After cooking with it, we realized something: actually having high heat + temperature sensing is ... big.

    Like "worth replacing a high end stove" big.

    https://x.com/sdamico/status/1826435062126313790

    Don't professional chefs use gas hobs? Where the flame temperature is essentially constant.
    No - this keeps the pan temperature at a set level, which is a completely different thing.

    A stove top gas flame burns at a bit under 2000 deg C - but the mount of energy it transfers to the pan varies with the amount of gas. A dry pan with nothing in it would eventually reach that temperature as the pan heats up, of course. Add food, and it becomes a lot more complicated.

    Cooking is a dynamic process, Controlling the temperature of the pan is actually quite a skill.
    A temperature controlled hob makes it easy - the control electronics do all the work of turning the power up and down.

    That does sound clever, I'm just not sure what the benefit to a cook is.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,945
    Mr. Pete, aye, having a donor pay the wages for almost the entire Shadow Cabinet would be dubious as hell.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,942

    So this is the reason why Bobby J is so popular with the MPs.

    Jenrick believes he remains the frontrunner. Following his speech he went straight to his car to begin making calls to MPs. There are claims his allies are floating the idea of paid shadow cabinet roles, funded by a donor. While the campaign has not ruled out the approach, Jenrick’s priority is said to be repairing the Conservative Party’s parlous finances.

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/labour-hopes-tory-melodrama-will-distract-from-freebies-cloud-cv5t0vb62

    IIRC only the Leader and the Shadow Chief Whip are paid salaries for shadow cabinet jobs (out of public funds.)

    Great, so some oil company can fund the shadow energy secretary?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,888
    edited October 5

    Mr. Pete, aye, having a donor pay the wages for almost the entire Shadow Cabinet would be dubious as hell.

    It's OK Morris, it's just Honest Bob. Anyone else and we might have concerns. Get Desmond on the phone and now!
  • MustaphaMondeoMustaphaMondeo Posts: 193
    edited October 5
    Grift is their thing.

    They have lost their way :(
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,236

    Cast iron wok. ❤️

    Nigelb said:

    This is an obvious idea so good it's surprising no one did it properly a decade back.

    Having real temperature control (as opposed to power setting) on a stove top. The twist is having an integrated rechargeable battery, so the cooking surface can deliver instantaneous power that's well in excess of the mains supply.

    So we ended up integrating a new type of sensor with the highest performance induction system I think ever built ...

    After cooking with it, we realized something: actually having high heat + temperature sensing is ... big.

    Like "worth replacing a high end stove" big.

    https://x.com/sdamico/status/1826435062126313790

    Don't professional chefs use gas hobs? Where the flame temperature is essentially constant.
    The opposite. Gas is very controllable. You can go from high heat to low on the instant. Which is why you don't really want cast iron woks. Stir-fry is controlled burning essentially where you sear each piece of food consistently
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,172
    edited October 5
    .
    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    This is an obvious idea so good it's surprising no one did it properly a decade back.

    Having real temperature control (as opposed to power setting) on a stove top. The twist is having an integrated rechargeable battery, so the cooking surface can deliver instantaneous power that's well in excess of the mains supply.

    So we ended up integrating a new type of sensor with the highest performance induction system I think ever built ...

    After cooking with it, we realized something: actually having high heat + temperature sensing is ... big.

    Like "worth replacing a high end stove" big.

    https://x.com/sdamico/status/1826435062126313790

    Don't professional chefs use gas hobs? Where the flame temperature is essentially constant.
    No - this keeps the pan temperature at a set level, which is a completely different thing.

    A stove top gas flame burns at a bit under 2000 deg C - but the mount of energy it transfers to the pan varies with the amount of gas. A dry pan with nothing in it would eventually reach that temperature as the pan heats up, of course. Add food, and it becomes a lot more complicated.

    Cooking is a dynamic process, Controlling the temperature of the pan is actually quite a skill.
    A temperature controlled hob makes it easy - the control electronics do all the work of turning the power up and down.

    That does sound clever, I'm just not sure what the benefit to a cook is.
    You'll never burn anything you're cooking ever again.
    Also, it takes the guesswork (or required cooking experience) out of following a recipe.
    You should be able to get perfect results reproducibly.
    So the real benefit is to the non cook.

    It's why rice or bread makers are popular.
    This is the same sort of thing for a stove top.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 28,394
    Nigelb said:

    This is an obvious idea so good it's surprising no one did it properly a decade back.

    Having real temperature control (as opposed to power setting) on a stove top. The twist is having an integrated rechargeable battery, so the cooking surface can deliver instantaneous power that's well in excess of the mains supply.

    So we ended up integrating a new type of sensor with the highest performance induction system I think ever built ...

    After cooking with it, we realized something: actually having high heat + temperature sensing is ... big.

    Like "worth replacing a high end stove" big.

    https://x.com/sdamico/status/1826435062126313790

    Temperature control is important but more so is internal temperature which is why meat thermometers are probes that you stick into the joint.

    What I'd like is a sort of kettle that maintained warm or hot water at a constant temperature (as kettles work by detecting when water boils, not when it reaches 100°C). The nearest I can find are @turbotubbs's water baths (or sous vide machines) and baby bottle warmers.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,236
    FF43 said:

    Cast iron wok. ❤️

    Nigelb said:

    This is an obvious idea so good it's surprising no one did it properly a decade back.

    Having real temperature control (as opposed to power setting) on a stove top. The twist is having an integrated rechargeable battery, so the cooking surface can deliver instantaneous power that's well in excess of the mains supply.

    So we ended up integrating a new type of sensor with the highest performance induction system I think ever built ...

    After cooking with it, we realized something: actually having high heat + temperature sensing is ... big.

    Like "worth replacing a high end stove" big.

    https://x.com/sdamico/status/1826435062126313790

    Don't professional chefs use gas hobs? Where the flame temperature is essentially constant.
    The opposite. Gas is very controllable. You can go from high heat to low on the instant. Which is why you don't really want cast iron woks. Stir-fry is controlled burning essentially where you sear each piece of food consistently
    You can however buy stir fry machines that work on the same principle as cement mixers

    https://youtu.be/yJ5t0IzPA70?si=H5lorzBUxB8us5RF
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,277
    It’s been a pretty good work for Harris.

    The dockworkers strike was resolved and the US jobs report exceeded expectations.

    Next week the final inflation report before November 5th is likely to show a further fall . Prices at the pump continue to edge down.

    The issue now is what happens in the Middle East which could throw a curveball into proceedings by way of causing oil prices to jump .

    In terms of the impact of Hurricane Helene , this could impact early voting in parts of North Carolina and Georgia . Both GOP and Dem leaning counties have been effected .

    Next week more states start early in person voting with the key swing state of Arizona kicking off on the 9th October .
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,632
    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    This is an obvious idea so good it's surprising no one did it properly a decade back.

    Having real temperature control (as opposed to power setting) on a stove top. The twist is having an integrated rechargeable battery, so the cooking surface can deliver instantaneous power that's well in excess of the mains supply.

    So we ended up integrating a new type of sensor with the highest performance induction system I think ever built ...

    After cooking with it, we realized something: actually having high heat + temperature sensing is ... big.

    Like "worth replacing a high end stove" big.

    https://x.com/sdamico/status/1826435062126313790

    When we re-did our kitchen a couple of years back we got an induction hob. It's really quick, and easy to clean. It's as quick to adjust as gas, but I think I still prefer gas.
    Same here. It looks great, does the job, but gas is better if you're serious about cooking.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,877
    edited October 5
    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    This is an obvious idea so good it's surprising no one did it properly a decade back.

    Having real temperature control (as opposed to power setting) on a stove top. The twist is having an integrated rechargeable battery, so the cooking surface can deliver instantaneous power that's well in excess of the mains supply.

    So we ended up integrating a new type of sensor with the highest performance induction system I think ever built ...

    After cooking with it, we realized something: actually having high heat + temperature sensing is ... big.

    Like "worth replacing a high end stove" big.

    https://x.com/sdamico/status/1826435062126313790

    Don't professional chefs use gas hobs? Where the flame temperature is essentially constant.
    No - this keeps the pan temperature at a set level, which is a completely different thing.

    A stove top gas flame burns at a bit under 2000 deg C - but the mount of energy it transfers to the pan varies with the amount of gas. A dry pan with nothing in it would eventually reach that temperature as the pan heats up, of course. Add food, and it becomes a lot more complicated.

    Cooking is a dynamic process, Controlling the temperature of the pan is actually quite a skill.
    A temperature controlled hob makes it easy - the control electronics do all the work of turning the power up and down.

    That does sound clever, I'm just not sure what the benefit to a cook is.
    It wouldn't keep the *pan* temperature at a set level, unless you are using a probe, A sensor in the hob can't know that information, which can eg be affected by whether you put a lid on it. It can only know the hob temperature.

    To me he's over-reaching a bit, and seems a bit over-focused on gas stoves.

    Further down he talks about how he's going back to cooking rice in a pan not a "rice-cooker". I know what temperature my rice is cooking at when simmering ... 100C, because it's just come off the boil.

    For that kind of application, a bain-marie would be a better option, I think.
  • jamesdoylejamesdoyle Posts: 790
    The fact that jenrick (apparently) thinks this is a good idea is exactly why he shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a leadership role. And of course it's the sort of think he would think was good
  • FF43 said:

    Cast iron wok. ❤️

    Nigelb said:

    This is an obvious idea so good it's surprising no one did it properly a decade back.

    Having real temperature control (as opposed to power setting) on a stove top. The twist is having an integrated rechargeable battery, so the cooking surface can deliver instantaneous power that's well in excess of the mains supply.

    So we ended up integrating a new type of sensor with the highest performance induction system I think ever built ...

    After cooking with it, we realized something: actually having high heat + temperature sensing is ... big.

    Like "worth replacing a high end stove" big.

    https://x.com/sdamico/status/1826435062126313790

    Don't professional chefs use gas hobs? Where the flame temperature is essentially constant.
    The opposite. Gas is very controllable. You can go from high heat to low on the instant. Which is why you don't really want cast iron woks. Stir-fry is controlled burning essentially where you sear each piece of food consistently
    I guess you learn to use the tools you are given. Hot wok, spices, oil and aubergine, add onions and ginger, garlic, tomato, lentils, you know how it ends
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,112
    Eabhal said:

    So this is the reason why Bobby J is so popular with the MPs.

    Jenrick believes he remains the frontrunner. Following his speech he went straight to his car to begin making calls to MPs. There are claims his allies are floating the idea of paid shadow cabinet roles, funded by a donor. While the campaign has not ruled out the approach, Jenrick’s priority is said to be repairing the Conservative Party’s parlous finances.

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/labour-hopes-tory-melodrama-will-distract-from-freebies-cloud-cv5t0vb62

    IIRC only the Leader and the Shadow Chief Whip are paid salaries for shadow cabinet jobs (out of public funds.)

    Great, so some oil company can fund the shadow energy secretary?
    "The Tory Party sponsored by Shell"
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,172
    FF43 said:

    Cast iron wok. ❤️

    Nigelb said:

    This is an obvious idea so good it's surprising no one did it properly a decade back.

    Having real temperature control (as opposed to power setting) on a stove top. The twist is having an integrated rechargeable battery, so the cooking surface can deliver instantaneous power that's well in excess of the mains supply.

    So we ended up integrating a new type of sensor with the highest performance induction system I think ever built ...

    After cooking with it, we realized something: actually having high heat + temperature sensing is ... big.

    Like "worth replacing a high end stove" big.

    https://x.com/sdamico/status/1826435062126313790

    Don't professional chefs use gas hobs? Where the flame temperature is essentially constant.
    The opposite. Gas is very controllable. You can go from high heat to low on the instant. Which is why you don't really want cast iron woks. Stir-fry is controlled burning essentially where you sear each piece of food consistently
    This idea does the same thing - except that it does the controlling for you.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,888

    Eabhal said:

    So this is the reason why Bobby J is so popular with the MPs.

    Jenrick believes he remains the frontrunner. Following his speech he went straight to his car to begin making calls to MPs. There are claims his allies are floating the idea of paid shadow cabinet roles, funded by a donor. While the campaign has not ruled out the approach, Jenrick’s priority is said to be repairing the Conservative Party’s parlous finances.

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/labour-hopes-tory-melodrama-will-distract-from-freebies-cloud-cv5t0vb62

    IIRC only the Leader and the Shadow Chief Whip are paid salaries for shadow cabinet jobs (out of public funds.)

    Great, so some oil company can fund the shadow energy secretary?
    "The Tory Party sponsored by Shell"
    More likely shell companies.

    Or an opaque Tiger (economy donation) in the tank
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,236

    FF43 said:

    Cast iron wok. ❤️

    Nigelb said:

    This is an obvious idea so good it's surprising no one did it properly a decade back.

    Having real temperature control (as opposed to power setting) on a stove top. The twist is having an integrated rechargeable battery, so the cooking surface can deliver instantaneous power that's well in excess of the mains supply.

    So we ended up integrating a new type of sensor with the highest performance induction system I think ever built ...

    After cooking with it, we realized something: actually having high heat + temperature sensing is ... big.

    Like "worth replacing a high end stove" big.

    https://x.com/sdamico/status/1826435062126313790

    Don't professional chefs use gas hobs? Where the flame temperature is essentially constant.
    The opposite. Gas is very controllable. You can go from high heat to low on the instant. Which is why you don't really want cast iron woks. Stir-fry is controlled burning essentially where you sear each piece of food consistently
    I guess you learn to use the tools you are given. Hot wok, spices, oil and aubergine, add onions and ginger, garlic, tomato, lentils, you know how it ends
    Indeed. If you only have electric available, and that's the way the world is going for good reasons, it doesn't matter if gas is better for stir fry. My recommendation with electric stir fry FWIW is get the temperature as high as possible and only cook small amounts at a time. Only the single layer of food in direct contact with the bit of the pan that is receiving the heat will be cooked properly.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,236

    FF43 said:

    Cast iron wok. ❤️

    Nigelb said:

    This is an obvious idea so good it's surprising no one did it properly a decade back.

    Having real temperature control (as opposed to power setting) on a stove top. The twist is having an integrated rechargeable battery, so the cooking surface can deliver instantaneous power that's well in excess of the mains supply.

    So we ended up integrating a new type of sensor with the highest performance induction system I think ever built ...

    After cooking with it, we realized something: actually having high heat + temperature sensing is ... big.

    Like "worth replacing a high end stove" big.

    https://x.com/sdamico/status/1826435062126313790

    Don't professional chefs use gas hobs? Where the flame temperature is essentially constant.
    The opposite. Gas is very controllable. You can go from high heat to low on the instant. Which is why you don't really want cast iron woks. Stir-fry is controlled burning essentially where you sear each piece of food consistently
    I guess you learn to use the tools you are given. Hot wok, spices, oil and aubergine, add onions and ginger, garlic, tomato, lentils, you know how it ends
    Indeed. If you only have electric available, and that's the way the world is going for good reasons, it doesn't matter if gas is better for stir fry. My recommendation with electric stir fry FWIW is get the temperature as high as possible and only cook small amounts at a time. Only the single layer of food in direct contact with the bit of the pan that is receiving the heat will be cooked properly.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,442
    edited October 5

    The fact that jenrick (apparently) thinks this is a good idea is exactly why he shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a leadership role. And of course it's the sort of think he would think was good

    Even if you think this is a good idea (and I'm not sure it is... being a Shadow Cabinet member is a massively smaller job than being a minister), even if you can get round the "they're giving you money for a reason" thing, doing this right now would be politically tonto, wouldn't it?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,172

    Nigelb said:

    This is an obvious idea so good it's surprising no one did it properly a decade back.

    Having real temperature control (as opposed to power setting) on a stove top. The twist is having an integrated rechargeable battery, so the cooking surface can deliver instantaneous power that's well in excess of the mains supply.

    So we ended up integrating a new type of sensor with the highest performance induction system I think ever built ...

    After cooking with it, we realized something: actually having high heat + temperature sensing is ... big.

    Like "worth replacing a high end stove" big.

    https://x.com/sdamico/status/1826435062126313790

    Temperature control is important but more so is internal temperature which is why meat thermometers are probes that you stick into the joint.

    What I'd like is a sort of kettle that maintained warm or hot water at a constant temperature (as kettles work by detecting when water boils, not when it reaches 100°C). The nearest I can find are @turbotubbs's water baths (or sous vide machines) and baby bottle warmers.
    There are quite a few kettles available with temperature control - for those who want to brew their tea at 80 or 90 deg.

    But I think you want a water boiler or urn ?
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,987

    Nigelb said:

    This is an obvious idea so good it's surprising no one did it properly a decade back.

    Having real temperature control (as opposed to power setting) on a stove top. The twist is having an integrated rechargeable battery, so the cooking surface can deliver instantaneous power that's well in excess of the mains supply.

    So we ended up integrating a new type of sensor with the highest performance induction system I think ever built ...

    After cooking with it, we realized something: actually having high heat + temperature sensing is ... big.

    Like "worth replacing a high end stove" big.

    https://x.com/sdamico/status/1826435062126313790

    Temperature control is important but more so is internal temperature which is why meat thermometers are probes that you stick into the joint.

    What I'd like is a sort of kettle that maintained warm or hot water at a constant temperature (as kettles work by detecting when water boils, not when it reaches 100°C). The nearest I can find are @turbotubbs's water baths (or sous vide machines) and baby bottle warmers.
    This kind of thing?

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Dorchester-Digital-Variable-Temperature-1-7Litre/dp/B08XJSDG8P/ref=sr_1_15?crid=2PS19R1LMTPQA&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.D2BdktSDKm-wbhrHtapiXOTjuew84ac8RHbjK8c8qP-mjnUtjAf-pqI12KEvBR8zIfS7HBCuPCPHeo3dNArhHZOt5YBGZucVRkRb-D8ajM1ZzKHx8ky8uLD0R7ROFHFzNdkMUglyh6G5Ky9A3RbMVh-BnET_RiueF6AtDKmFtf2tTlJ0rMNC3QT7_HhDujIWhFITJ4MMFOwhYp4pKHTg5EwMcodObTsB_WJjH2z6Xvg.prV5L0M0GqYPuVKWZZ3kd1oIKBsXmLR-g64Wg7nQizI&dib_tag=se&keywords=kettle+temperature&qid=1728116327&sprefix=kettle+temperature,aps,112&sr=8-15&ufe=INHOUSE_INSTALLMENTS:UK_IHI_3M_VF&th=1
    The kettle has a 1.7 litre capacity and includes LCD display, and digital temperature control allowing you to reach the perfect temperature for your favourite hot beverage at a touch of a button. You can even keep the water at your desired temperature thanks to the keep-warm function. The water temperature can be set between 40 to 100 degrees.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,984
    Morning all :)

    I've thought for a while the next big political movement in this country (and more widely in other parts of Europe) will be something along the lines of Wagenknecht's BSW party in Germany.

    This evolution will further diminish the relevance of terms like "right" and "left" which are already only used either as laxy short hand or perjorative terms.

    Reform, for example, has, I believe, a dichotomy between elements of the leadership (Tice and Farage in particular) and some of the membership. Yes, resistance to immigration is their glue but just as every other party, it is evolving into a broader church attracting those who are culturally conservative and strongly patriotic or nationalist.

    The fault line is, as it often is, around the role of the State and economics. Some might prefer the small-State, low tax model (I'm sure Tice and Farage, who are basically unreconstructed Thatcherites, do) but other parts of Reform want an active, interventionist State with public money spent, not, as they see it, on migrants, but on improving the areas in which they live.

    This is why Johnson's "levelling up" agenda was so popular with ex-Labour voters in 2019 and why, when it wasn't delivered, the sense of betrayal drove hundreds of thousands of those ex-2019 Conservatives into the arms of Reform.

    I'm no Conservative or Reform supporter but I can see the attraction and desirability of levelling up - the cutting back of HS2 by Sunak was probably the final nail in the coffin and it may be Reform's local strength will increase quickly (we see this in Blackpool and Amber Valley, two classic WWC areas which have frankly been let down by successive Governments of all stripes).

    How will Reform evolve? It won't be Farage's plaything for ever and I suspect it will become something less like a British AfD or VOX and more like a British BSW.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,172
    MattW said:

    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    This is an obvious idea so good it's surprising no one did it properly a decade back.

    Having real temperature control (as opposed to power setting) on a stove top. The twist is having an integrated rechargeable battery, so the cooking surface can deliver instantaneous power that's well in excess of the mains supply.

    So we ended up integrating a new type of sensor with the highest performance induction system I think ever built ...

    After cooking with it, we realized something: actually having high heat + temperature sensing is ... big.

    Like "worth replacing a high end stove" big.

    https://x.com/sdamico/status/1826435062126313790

    Don't professional chefs use gas hobs? Where the flame temperature is essentially constant.
    No - this keeps the pan temperature at a set level, which is a completely different thing.

    A stove top gas flame burns at a bit under 2000 deg C - but the mount of energy it transfers to the pan varies with the amount of gas. A dry pan with nothing in it would eventually reach that temperature as the pan heats up, of course. Add food, and it becomes a lot more complicated.

    Cooking is a dynamic process, Controlling the temperature of the pan is actually quite a skill.
    A temperature controlled hob makes it easy - the control electronics do all the work of turning the power up and down.

    That does sound clever, I'm just not sure what the benefit to a cook is.
    It wouldn't keep the *pan* temperature at a set level, unless you are using a probe, A sensor in the hob can't know that information, which can eg be affected by whether you put a lid on it. It can only know the hob temperature.

    To me he's over-reaching a bit, and seems a bit over-focused on gas stoves.

    Further down he talks about how he's going back to cooking rice in a pan not a "rice-cooker". I know what temperature my rice is cooking at when simmering ... 100C, because it's just come off the boil.

    For that kind of application, a bain-marie would be a better option, I think.
    It can know the temperature at the base of the pan, which is what is controlled.
    (And is what cooks control when they turn up or down the heat.)
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,236
    Interesting header. A big unknown is how much of a thing Labour-but-not-Labour will be at the next election. It has a parallel with the Conservatives' problem with Reform, although not nearly as a big problem for Labour at the moment. They are also fishing in the same pool as the Greens.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,877
    Things to do outside, since it is sunny. So have a good day, everyone.

    My 'interesting' video from the last day or so, hinting at Opus Dei influence on SCOTUS, via the individual who is the orchestrator of the Federalist Society.

    Some influence would not be a surprise, given Opus Dei and common interests with the Christian Nationalist agenda - but I need to see some more evidence before I come to a view.

    One aspect is about a long-term aim to confer personhood status on the human foetus.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9wJ1FuELIQ

  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,609
    Nigelb said:

    This is an obvious idea so good it's surprising no one did it properly a decade back.

    Having real temperature control (as opposed to power setting) on a stove top. The twist is having an integrated rechargeable battery, so the cooking surface can deliver instantaneous power that's well in excess of the mains supply.

    So we ended up integrating a new type of sensor with the highest performance induction system I think ever built ...

    After cooking with it, we realized something: actually having high heat + temperature sensing is ... big.

    Like "worth replacing a high end stove" big.

    https://x.com/sdamico/status/1826435062126313790

    Good morning

    I have stopped using our induction hob following the recommendation of my cardiologist as they can interfer with a pacemaker

    It is not much of a problem as I use air fryers
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,172

    Nigelb said:

    This is an obvious idea so good it's surprising no one did it properly a decade back.

    Having real temperature control (as opposed to power setting) on a stove top. The twist is having an integrated rechargeable battery, so the cooking surface can deliver instantaneous power that's well in excess of the mains supply.

    So we ended up integrating a new type of sensor with the highest performance induction system I think ever built ...

    After cooking with it, we realized something: actually having high heat + temperature sensing is ... big.

    Like "worth replacing a high end stove" big.

    https://x.com/sdamico/status/1826435062126313790

    Good morning

    I have stopped using our induction hob following the recommendation of my cardiologist as they can interfer with a pacemaker

    It is not much of a problem as I use air fryers
    I accept that's one advantage of gas !
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,942
    edited October 5

    Nigelb said:

    This is an obvious idea so good it's surprising no one did it properly a decade back.

    Having real temperature control (as opposed to power setting) on a stove top. The twist is having an integrated rechargeable battery, so the cooking surface can deliver instantaneous power that's well in excess of the mains supply.

    So we ended up integrating a new type of sensor with the highest performance induction system I think ever built ...

    After cooking with it, we realized something: actually having high heat + temperature sensing is ... big.

    Like "worth replacing a high end stove" big.

    https://x.com/sdamico/status/1826435062126313790

    Good morning

    I have stopped using our induction hob following the recommendation of my cardiologist as they can interfer with a pacemaker

    It is not much of a problem as I use air fryers
    Pros and cons, eh.

    Are there any other devices that could potentially cause issues?
  • RandallFlaggRandallFlagg Posts: 1,311
    Only McDonnell could hold his seat. The others don't have the profile and personal popularity Corbyn did in Islington North. The best they could do is fragment some of the Labour vote and let the Tories in if there's a tight battle (Canterbury possibly, maybe Coventry South) like Webbe did in Leicester East.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 28,394
    ohnotnow said:

    Nigelb said:

    This is an obvious idea so good it's surprising no one did it properly a decade back.

    Having real temperature control (as opposed to power setting) on a stove top. The twist is having an integrated rechargeable battery, so the cooking surface can deliver instantaneous power that's well in excess of the mains supply.

    So we ended up integrating a new type of sensor with the highest performance induction system I think ever built ...

    After cooking with it, we realized something: actually having high heat + temperature sensing is ... big.

    Like "worth replacing a high end stove" big.

    https://x.com/sdamico/status/1826435062126313790

    Temperature control is important but more so is internal temperature which is why meat thermometers are probes that you stick into the joint.

    What I'd like is a sort of kettle that maintained warm or hot water at a constant temperature (as kettles work by detecting when water boils, not when it reaches 100°C). The nearest I can find are @turbotubbs's water baths (or sous vide machines) and baby bottle warmers.
    This kind of thing?

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Dorchester-Digital-Variable-Temperature-1-7Litre/dp/B08XJSDG8P/ref=sr_1_15?crid=2PS19R1LMTPQA&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.D2BdktSDKm-wbhrHtapiXOTjuew84ac8RHbjK8c8qP-mjnUtjAf-pqI12KEvBR8zIfS7HBCuPCPHeo3dNArhHZOt5YBGZucVRkRb-D8ajM1ZzKHx8ky8uLD0R7ROFHFzNdkMUglyh6G5Ky9A3RbMVh-BnET_RiueF6AtDKmFtf2tTlJ0rMNC3QT7_HhDujIWhFITJ4MMFOwhYp4pKHTg5EwMcodObTsB_WJjH2z6Xvg.prV5L0M0GqYPuVKWZZ3kd1oIKBsXmLR-g64Wg7nQizI&dib_tag=se&keywords=kettle+temperature&qid=1728116327&sprefix=kettle+temperature,aps,112&sr=8-15&ufe=INHOUSE_INSTALLMENTS:UK_IHI_3M_VF&th=1
    The kettle has a 1.7 litre capacity and includes LCD display, and digital temperature control allowing you to reach the perfect temperature for your favourite hot beverage at a touch of a button. You can even keep the water at your desired temperature thanks to the keep-warm function. The water temperature can be set between 40 to 100 degrees.
    Thanks. I shall buy one of those.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,609
    edited October 5
    Eabhal said:

    Nigelb said:

    This is an obvious idea so good it's surprising no one did it properly a decade back.

    Having real temperature control (as opposed to power setting) on a stove top. The twist is having an integrated rechargeable battery, so the cooking surface can deliver instantaneous power that's well in excess of the mains supply.

    So we ended up integrating a new type of sensor with the highest performance induction system I think ever built ...

    After cooking with it, we realized something: actually having high heat + temperature sensing is ... big.

    Like "worth replacing a high end stove" big.

    https://x.com/sdamico/status/1826435062126313790

    Good morning

    I have stopped using our induction hob following the recommendation of my cardiologist as they can interfer with a pacemaker

    It is not much of a problem as I use air fryers
    Pros and cons, eh.

    Are there any other devices that could potentially cause issues?
    Yes - anything with a high magnetic field including airport security but also most anything with a battery

    In practice I ensure my Samsung watch is worn on my right wrist and I do not place my mobile near the pacemaker

    The cardiologist did say that any outside electrical interference with the pacemaker would make me very ill very quickly and to seek immediate medical attention

    I have adapted and try to be sensible, and if I am not my wife issues a stern warning very quickly !!!
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,632
    stodge said:

    Morning all :)

    I've thought for a while the next big political movement in this country (and more widely in other parts of Europe) will be something along the lines of Wagenknecht's BSW party in Germany.

    This evolution will further diminish the relevance of terms like "right" and "left" which are already only used either as laxy short hand or perjorative terms.

    Reform, for example, has, I believe, a dichotomy between elements of the leadership (Tice and Farage in particular) and some of the membership. Yes, resistance to immigration is their glue but just as every other party, it is evolving into a broader church attracting those who are culturally conservative and strongly patriotic or nationalist.

    The fault line is, as it often is, around the role of the State and economics. Some might prefer the small-State, low tax model (I'm sure Tice and Farage, who are basically unreconstructed Thatcherites, do) but other parts of Reform want an active, interventionist State with public money spent, not, as they see it, on migrants, but on improving the areas in which they live.

    This is why Johnson's "levelling up" agenda was so popular with ex-Labour voters in 2019 and why, when it wasn't delivered, the sense of betrayal drove hundreds of thousands of those ex-2019 Conservatives into the arms of Reform.

    I'm no Conservative or Reform supporter but I can see the attraction and desirability of levelling up - the cutting back of HS2 by Sunak was probably the final nail in the coffin and it may be Reform's local strength will increase quickly (we see this in Blackpool and Amber Valley, two classic WWC areas which have frankly been let down by successive Governments of all stripes).

    How will Reform evolve? It won't be Farage's plaything for ever and I suspect it will become something less like a British AfD or VOX and more like a British BSW.

    Levelling Up was a potent slogan and it remains key to political fortunes. I get the impression it's that rather than environmental concerns which drove the Carbon Capture initiative.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 28,394

    The fact that jenrick (apparently) thinks this is a good idea is exactly why he shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a leadership role. And of course it's the sort of think he would think was good

    Even if you think this is a good idea (and I'm not sure it is... being a Shadow Cabinet member is a massively smaller job than being a minister), even if you can get round the "they're giving you money for a reason" thing, doing this right now would be politically tonto, wouldn't it?
    You can imagine a ring-fenced investment fund to cover salaries, kick-started by a large donation. Finding that large donor in the current climate might be the more difficult part. It is not really clear what the party gains by it though.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,609
    edited October 5

    ohnotnow said:

    Nigelb said:

    This is an obvious idea so good it's surprising no one did it properly a decade back.

    Having real temperature control (as opposed to power setting) on a stove top. The twist is having an integrated rechargeable battery, so the cooking surface can deliver instantaneous power that's well in excess of the mains supply.

    So we ended up integrating a new type of sensor with the highest performance induction system I think ever built ...

    After cooking with it, we realized something: actually having high heat + temperature sensing is ... big.

    Like "worth replacing a high end stove" big.

    https://x.com/sdamico/status/1826435062126313790

    Temperature control is important but more so is internal temperature which is why meat thermometers are probes that you stick into the joint.

    What I'd like is a sort of kettle that maintained warm or hot water at a constant temperature (as kettles work by detecting when water boils, not when it reaches 100°C). The nearest I can find are @turbotubbs's water baths (or sous vide machines) and baby bottle warmers.
    This kind of thing?

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Dorchester-Digital-Variable-Temperature-1-7Litre/dp/B08XJSDG8P/ref=sr_1_15?crid=2PS19R1LMTPQA&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.D2BdktSDKm-wbhrHtapiXOTjuew84ac8RHbjK8c8qP-mjnUtjAf-pqI12KEvBR8zIfS7HBCuPCPHeo3dNArhHZOt5YBGZucVRkRb-D8ajM1ZzKHx8ky8uLD0R7ROFHFzNdkMUglyh6G5Ky9A3RbMVh-BnET_RiueF6AtDKmFtf2tTlJ0rMNC3QT7_HhDujIWhFITJ4MMFOwhYp4pKHTg5EwMcodObTsB_WJjH2z6Xvg.prV5L0M0GqYPuVKWZZ3kd1oIKBsXmLR-g64Wg7nQizI&dib_tag=se&keywords=kettle+temperature&qid=1728116327&sprefix=kettle+temperature,aps,112&sr=8-15&ufe=INHOUSE_INSTALLMENTS:UK_IHI_3M_VF&th=1
    The kettle has a 1.7 litre capacity and includes LCD display, and digital temperature control allowing you to reach the perfect temperature for your favourite hot beverage at a touch of a button. You can even keep the water at your desired temperature thanks to the keep-warm function. The water temperature can be set between 40 to 100 degrees.
    Thanks. I shall buy one of those.

    We had a Ninja temperature controlled kettle which was good but then it failed after 6 months so just have an ordinary one now
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,877
    kinabalu said:

    stodge said:

    Morning all :)

    I've thought for a while the next big political movement in this country (and more widely in other parts of Europe) will be something along the lines of Wagenknecht's BSW party in Germany.

    This evolution will further diminish the relevance of terms like "right" and "left" which are already only used either as laxy short hand or perjorative terms.

    Reform, for example, has, I believe, a dichotomy between elements of the leadership (Tice and Farage in particular) and some of the membership. Yes, resistance to immigration is their glue but just as every other party, it is evolving into a broader church attracting those who are culturally conservative and strongly patriotic or nationalist.

    The fault line is, as it often is, around the role of the State and economics. Some might prefer the small-State, low tax model (I'm sure Tice and Farage, who are basically unreconstructed Thatcherites, do) but other parts of Reform want an active, interventionist State with public money spent, not, as they see it, on migrants, but on improving the areas in which they live.

    This is why Johnson's "levelling up" agenda was so popular with ex-Labour voters in 2019 and why, when it wasn't delivered, the sense of betrayal drove hundreds of thousands of those ex-2019 Conservatives into the arms of Reform.

    I'm no Conservative or Reform supporter but I can see the attraction and desirability of levelling up - the cutting back of HS2 by Sunak was probably the final nail in the coffin and it may be Reform's local strength will increase quickly (we see this in Blackpool and Amber Valley, two classic WWC areas which have frankly been let down by successive Governments of all stripes).

    How will Reform evolve? It won't be Farage's plaything for ever and I suspect it will become something less like a British AfD or VOX and more like a British BSW.

    Levelling Up was a potent slogan and it remains key to political fortunes. I get the impression it's that rather than environmental concerns which drove the Carbon Capture initiative.
    As I see it, delivering actual levelling up would be Mr Starmer's trump card. If his Govt helps it to happen, and enough results can be seen within one term.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,792

    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    This is an obvious idea so good it's surprising no one did it properly a decade back.

    Having real temperature control (as opposed to power setting) on a stove top. The twist is having an integrated rechargeable battery, so the cooking surface can deliver instantaneous power that's well in excess of the mains supply.

    So we ended up integrating a new type of sensor with the highest performance induction system I think ever built ...

    After cooking with it, we realized something: actually having high heat + temperature sensing is ... big.

    Like "worth replacing a high end stove" big.

    https://x.com/sdamico/status/1826435062126313790

    When we re-did our kitchen a couple of years back we got an induction hob. It's really quick, and easy to clean. It's as quick to adjust as gas, but I think I still prefer gas.
    In twenty years it will still be perfect black shiny glass. When you see a gas hob that’s 20 you may want amto call environmental health.

    Love my induction hob. 20 this year.
    Induction hob, great.

    Half your pans being incompatible with an Induction hob, not so great.

    Electric hobs are shit.

    Induction hobs are shit.

    Both have horrible ‘buttons’ and the latter requires stupid special pans.

    Gas is the only choice for people who like to cook.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,972
    What about Zarah Sultana. From her various media appearances she is always having a dig at Starmer and labour. She is not keeping her head down to try to earn back the whip.

    She seems to be positioning herself as an opposition speaker.

    I also couldn’t see her winning as an Indy.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,792
    Taz said:

    What about Zarah Sultana. From her various media appearances she is always having a dig at Starmer and labour. She is not keeping her head down to try to earn back the whip.

    She seems to be positioning herself as an opposition speaker.

    I also couldn’t see her winning as an Indy.

    With a majority of 172 Sir Keir won’t give two hoots about Sultana raisin’ Cain. The perennially angry left have been sidelined and it’s glorious to see.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,632
    MattW said:

    kinabalu said:

    stodge said:

    Morning all :)

    I've thought for a while the next big political movement in this country (and more widely in other parts of Europe) will be something along the lines of Wagenknecht's BSW party in Germany.

    This evolution will further diminish the relevance of terms like "right" and "left" which are already only used either as laxy short hand or perjorative terms.

    Reform, for example, has, I believe, a dichotomy between elements of the leadership (Tice and Farage in particular) and some of the membership. Yes, resistance to immigration is their glue but just as every other party, it is evolving into a broader church attracting those who are culturally conservative and strongly patriotic or nationalist.

    The fault line is, as it often is, around the role of the State and economics. Some might prefer the small-State, low tax model (I'm sure Tice and Farage, who are basically unreconstructed Thatcherites, do) but other parts of Reform want an active, interventionist State with public money spent, not, as they see it, on migrants, but on improving the areas in which they live.

    This is why Johnson's "levelling up" agenda was so popular with ex-Labour voters in 2019 and why, when it wasn't delivered, the sense of betrayal drove hundreds of thousands of those ex-2019 Conservatives into the arms of Reform.

    I'm no Conservative or Reform supporter but I can see the attraction and desirability of levelling up - the cutting back of HS2 by Sunak was probably the final nail in the coffin and it may be Reform's local strength will increase quickly (we see this in Blackpool and Amber Valley, two classic WWC areas which have frankly been let down by successive Governments of all stripes).

    How will Reform evolve? It won't be Farage's plaything for ever and I suspect it will become something less like a British AfD or VOX and more like a British BSW.

    Levelling Up was a potent slogan and it remains key to political fortunes. I get the impression it's that rather than environmental concerns which drove the Carbon Capture initiative.
    As I see it, delivering actual levelling up would be Mr Starmer's trump card. If his Govt helps it to happen, and enough results can be seen within one term.
    I think he has to. There's little point in a Labour government that doesn't have reducing inequalities as a priority.
  • MJWMJW Posts: 1,733
    Foxy said:

    The Labour independents, and those elected as independents like Leicester's own Shockhat Adam* could form quite a grouping over time, though probably quite a loose one.

    Though if Starmer stands down before the next GE, I would expect a different style of leader who might attract them back. Leaders are usually replaced by someone who covers what was missed by the last one. So I would expect Labour's next leader to be more openly left wing and a better communicator of vision, perhaps Ms Rayner for example.

    *he seems quite left wing in his policies, as far as I can tell. He isn't particularly socially conservative.

    The basic problem is that other than the current grouping on Gaza, there's probably not enough unity to hold things together to form a meaningful movement that could do Labour serious damage.

    Most obviously, Duffield is persona non-grata on the left - If it were a market, I'd have a small wager on her fighting the next election as a Conservative, if they look resurgent having returned to a semblance of sanity.

    The Gaza independents, with the exception of Corbyn are more socially conservative than the left, for obvious reasons.

    To pick out Adam as you do, the 'not particularly social conservative'. His one statement on LGBTQ+ issues and education is that though children should be taught about all relationships "parents must be taken into consideration".

    Diplomatic, but very much the line of mainstream social conservatives, not those who sit to the left of Labour because they think it's too right-wing. His not spouting the views of some supporters is to be welcomed - but it doesn't mean Muslim communitarian politics sits that easily alongside blue haired ultra-progressivism once you move beyond Israel/Palestine and ask what policies each actually wants, over slogans.

    The groupings and alliances that formed over Iraq failed to make much headway. In part due to this and the genuine 'terrorists/dictators who dislike the same people we do are good, actually' hard left, who believe things that shock progressives for who Labour is an eternal disappointment and get drawn in by agreement on anti-establishment, 'anti-war' rhetoric.

    Then you have those who basically want to still be left-wing Labour politicians with solid achievements, and those who want something more vibey and incoherent like the Greens.

    Corbyn provided a weird rallying point for a good while - but that was partly because he was to some extent performatively vague - supporters who'd agree on little could project their views and favourite ideas on to him, because his words were often so vacuous. Also in part because they were fighting shared enemies for control of Labour.

    Once you move beyond that though, there's not necessarily much of a shared programme beyond being angry at the Labour Party. Which can work in the run up to an election they look likely to win as a rallying point for dissent- but probably needs more to sustain it in the longer term otherwise everyone starts bickering.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,895
    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    This is an obvious idea so good it's surprising no one did it properly a decade back.

    Having real temperature control (as opposed to power setting) on a stove top. The twist is having an integrated rechargeable battery, so the cooking surface can deliver instantaneous power that's well in excess of the mains supply.

    So we ended up integrating a new type of sensor with the highest performance induction system I think ever built ...

    After cooking with it, we realized something: actually having high heat + temperature sensing is ... big.

    Like "worth replacing a high end stove" big.

    https://x.com/sdamico/status/1826435062126313790

    Don't professional chefs use gas hobs? Where the flame temperature is essentially constant.
    No - this keeps the pan temperature at a set level, which is a completely different thing.

    A stove top gas flame burns at a bit under 2000 deg C - but the mount of energy it transfers to the pan varies with the amount of gas. A dry pan with nothing in it would eventually reach that temperature as the pan heats up, of course. Add food, and it becomes a lot more complicated.

    Cooking is a dynamic process, Controlling the temperature of the pan is actually quite a skill.
    A temperature controlled hob makes it easy - the control electronics do all the work of turning the power up and down.

    That does sound clever, I'm just not sure what the benefit to a cook is.
    You don't need to micromanage the heat input to the pan. So it's great for something where you want to get up to a temperature and then hold it at that temperature. Cooking rice was one example given, but I think it would make caramelising onions, or cooking a risotto a lot easier.

    Something like pancakes/griddle scones I could imagine would cook a lot better if you could hold the pan at a constant temperature. This sounds great.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,942

    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    This is an obvious idea so good it's surprising no one did it properly a decade back.

    Having real temperature control (as opposed to power setting) on a stove top. The twist is having an integrated rechargeable battery, so the cooking surface can deliver instantaneous power that's well in excess of the mains supply.

    So we ended up integrating a new type of sensor with the highest performance induction system I think ever built ...

    After cooking with it, we realized something: actually having high heat + temperature sensing is ... big.

    Like "worth replacing a high end stove" big.

    https://x.com/sdamico/status/1826435062126313790

    When we re-did our kitchen a couple of years back we got an induction hob. It's really quick, and easy to clean. It's as quick to adjust as gas, but I think I still prefer gas.
    In twenty years it will still be perfect black shiny glass. When you see a gas hob that’s 20 you may want amto call environmental health.

    Love my induction hob. 20 this year.
    Induction hob, great.

    Half your pans being incompatible with an Induction hob, not so great.

    Electric hobs are shit.

    Induction hobs are shit.

    Both have horrible ‘buttons’ and the latter requires stupid special pans.

    Gas is the only choice for people who like to cook.
    You're right about the buttons.

    But gas is the cash of the kitchen.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,972

    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    This is an obvious idea so good it's surprising no one did it properly a decade back.

    Having real temperature control (as opposed to power setting) on a stove top. The twist is having an integrated rechargeable battery, so the cooking surface can deliver instantaneous power that's well in excess of the mains supply.

    So we ended up integrating a new type of sensor with the highest performance induction system I think ever built ...

    After cooking with it, we realized something: actually having high heat + temperature sensing is ... big.

    Like "worth replacing a high end stove" big.

    https://x.com/sdamico/status/1826435062126313790

    When we re-did our kitchen a couple of years back we got an induction hob. It's really quick, and easy to clean. It's as quick to adjust as gas, but I think I still prefer gas.
    In twenty years it will still be perfect black shiny glass. When you see a gas hob that’s 20 you may want amto call environmental health.

    Love my induction hob. 20 this year.
    Induction hob, great.

    Half your pans being incompatible with an Induction hob, not so great.

    Electric hobs are shit.

    Induction hobs are shit.

    Both have horrible ‘buttons’ and the latter requires stupid special pans.

    Gas is the only choice for people who like to cook.
    Couldn’t agree more.

    Cooking a curry with flames shooting up the side of the pan is fantastic.

    Gas is the best option for cooking.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 23,143
    Taz said:

    What about Zarah Sultana. From her various media appearances she is always having a dig at Starmer and labour. She is not keeping her head down to try to earn back the whip.

    She seems to be positioning herself as an opposition speaker.

    I also couldn’t see her winning as an Indy.

    Good point, thank you for raisin' this and keeping us currant.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,780
    stodge said:

    Morning all :)

    I've thought for a while the next big political movement in this country (and more widely in other parts of Europe) will be something along the lines of Wagenknecht's BSW party in Germany.

    This evolution will further diminish the relevance of terms like "right" and "left" which are already only used either as laxy short hand or perjorative terms.

    Reform, for example, has, I believe, a dichotomy between elements of the leadership (Tice and Farage in particular) and some of the membership. Yes, resistance to immigration is their glue but just as every other party, it is evolving into a broader church attracting those who are culturally conservative and strongly patriotic or nationalist.

    The fault line is, as it often is, around the role of the State and economics. Some might prefer the small-State, low tax model (I'm sure Tice and Farage, who are basically unreconstructed Thatcherites, do) but other parts of Reform want an active, interventionist State with public money spent, not, as they see it, on migrants, but on improving the areas in which they live.

    This is why Johnson's "levelling up" agenda was so popular with ex-Labour voters in 2019 and why, when it wasn't delivered, the sense of betrayal drove hundreds of thousands of those ex-2019 Conservatives into the arms of Reform.

    I'm no Conservative or Reform supporter but I can see the attraction and desirability of levelling up - the cutting back of HS2 by Sunak was probably the final nail in the coffin and it may be Reform's local strength will increase quickly (we see this in Blackpool and Amber Valley, two classic WWC areas which have frankly been let down by successive Governments of all stripes).

    How will Reform evolve? It won't be Farage's plaything for ever and I suspect it will become something less like a British AfD or VOX and more like a British BSW.

    Depends on what is meant by 'levelling up'.

    Northern England currently has full employment for the first time for 50+ years together with affordable housing.

    If you're a WWC teenager in Amber Valley you're opportunities are better than those of any previous generation.

    But opportunities are not guarantees.

    The right to try is not the same as a right to have.

    Regrettably many will fail to take these opportunities and will be 'left behind'.

    Just as there are so many 'left behind' from previous generations.

    And for these 'levelling up' is really just a different way of saying 'take it from them and give it to me'.

    With the 'them' often being people like themselves who have been far more successful.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,934
    edited October 5
    nico679 said:

    It’s been a pretty good work for Harris.

    The dockworkers strike was resolved and the US jobs report exceeded expectations.

    Next week the final inflation report before November 5th is likely to show a further fall . Prices at the pump continue to edge down.

    The issue now is what happens in the Middle East which could throw a curveball into proceedings by way of causing oil prices to jump .

    In terms of the impact of Hurricane Helene , this could impact early voting in parts of North Carolina and Georgia . Both GOP and Dem leaning counties have been effected .

    Next week more states start early in person voting with the key swing state of Arizona kicking off on the 9th October .

    Already more than half the states have early voting underway. Anecdotally, there is huge enthusiasm for Harris in this process. Republicans are no doubt a little confused by Trump's recent conversion to early voting.

    As well as things on the economy meaning a good week for Harris, on the other side of the scale Trump has had a bad week. As well as the unsealing of the January 6th documents, he is ranting about Harris's mental health in a way that is only going to turn off anybody not already in his coterie of die-hard voters.

    Multiple obvious lies aside, JD Vance held it together for 88 minutes of the VP debate, then lost it in the final two, when he refused to confirm that Biden won in 2020. It is obvious that unlike Pence, this VP would do Trump's every bidding. Including refusing to confirm the Electoral College votes. WIth the economy moving the way of Harris, the final days of the campaign may end up being dominated for voters by the question of who upholds the Constitution, justice and liberty.

    And on that, Harris is a mile ahead.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,972
    Starmer is in some ways lucky to have a large majority, because it means that the behind-the-scenes infighting doesn’t actually threaten votes in Parliament being lost.

    Yet on the other hand, the large majority means that there’s more likely to be a load of infighting in the first place, because the rebels know that the actual vote is not in doubt, so there’s likely to be a rebellion of sorts on pretty much everything.

    It’s going to be a tough job for the whips, trying to herd cats for the next four years.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,934

    Taz said:

    What about Zarah Sultana. From her various media appearances she is always having a dig at Starmer and labour. She is not keeping her head down to try to earn back the whip.

    She seems to be positioning herself as an opposition speaker.

    I also couldn’t see her winning as an Indy.

    Good point, thank you for raisin' this and keeping us currant.
    Might need to prune the puns.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,792
    Eabhal said:

    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    This is an obvious idea so good it's surprising no one did it properly a decade back.

    Having real temperature control (as opposed to power setting) on a stove top. The twist is having an integrated rechargeable battery, so the cooking surface can deliver instantaneous power that's well in excess of the mains supply.

    So we ended up integrating a new type of sensor with the highest performance induction system I think ever built ...

    After cooking with it, we realized something: actually having high heat + temperature sensing is ... big.

    Like "worth replacing a high end stove" big.

    https://x.com/sdamico/status/1826435062126313790

    When we re-did our kitchen a couple of years back we got an induction hob. It's really quick, and easy to clean. It's as quick to adjust as gas, but I think I still prefer gas.
    In twenty years it will still be perfect black shiny glass. When you see a gas hob that’s 20 you may want amto call environmental health.

    Love my induction hob. 20 this year.
    Induction hob, great.

    Half your pans being incompatible with an Induction hob, not so great.

    Electric hobs are shit.

    Induction hobs are shit.

    Both have horrible ‘buttons’ and the latter requires stupid special pans.

    Gas is the only choice for people who like to cook.
    You're right about the buttons.

    But gas is the cash of the kitchen.
    Nope. Because gas is the best technology in its class and cash the worst.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,972

    Eabhal said:

    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    This is an obvious idea so good it's surprising no one did it properly a decade back.

    Having real temperature control (as opposed to power setting) on a stove top. The twist is having an integrated rechargeable battery, so the cooking surface can deliver instantaneous power that's well in excess of the mains supply.

    So we ended up integrating a new type of sensor with the highest performance induction system I think ever built ...

    After cooking with it, we realized something: actually having high heat + temperature sensing is ... big.

    Like "worth replacing a high end stove" big.

    https://x.com/sdamico/status/1826435062126313790

    When we re-did our kitchen a couple of years back we got an induction hob. It's really quick, and easy to clean. It's as quick to adjust as gas, but I think I still prefer gas.
    In twenty years it will still be perfect black shiny glass. When you see a gas hob that’s 20 you may want amto call environmental health.

    Love my induction hob. 20 this year.
    Induction hob, great.

    Half your pans being incompatible with an Induction hob, not so great.

    Electric hobs are shit.

    Induction hobs are shit.

    Both have horrible ‘buttons’ and the latter requires stupid special pans.

    Gas is the only choice for people who like to cook.
    You're right about the buttons.

    But gas is the cash of the kitchen.
    Nope. Because gas is the best technology in its class and cash the worst.
    Best of all, they both work when the power goes off - as millions of Americans are discovering in the aftermath of Hurricane Helene. People used to relying on electricity and card payments can’t buy food or cook it.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,114
    edited October 5

    nico679 said:

    It’s been a pretty good work for Harris.

    The dockworkers strike was resolved and the US jobs report exceeded expectations.

    Next week the final inflation report before November 5th is likely to show a further fall . Prices at the pump continue to edge down.

    The issue now is what happens in the Middle East which could throw a curveball into proceedings by way of causing oil prices to jump .

    In terms of the impact of Hurricane Helene , this could impact early voting in parts of North Carolina and Georgia . Both GOP and Dem leaning counties have been effected .

    Next week more states start early in person voting with the key swing state of Arizona kicking off on the 9th October .

    Already more than half the states have early voting underway. Anecdotally, there is huge enthusiasm for Harris in this process. Republicans are no doubt a little confused by Trump's recent conversion to early voting.

    As well as things on the economy meaning a good week for Harris, on the other side of the scale Trump has had a bad week. As well as the unsealing of the January 6th documents, he is ranting about Harris's mental health in a way that is only going to turn off anybody not already in his coterie of die-hard voters.

    Multiple obvious lies aside, JD Vance held it together for 88 minutes of the VP debate, then lost it in the final two, when he refused to confirm that Biden won in 2020. It is obvious that unlike Pence, this VP would do Trump's every bidding. Including refusing to confirm the Electoral College votes. WIth the economy moving the way of Harris, the final days of the campaign may end up being dominated for voters by the question of who upholds the Constitution, justice and liberty.

    And on that, Harris is a mile ahead.
    Hope so. But feels to me like not enough ordinary usa voters care enough about the constitution to stop Trump 2.0.

    Either they dont care as long as their side wins or they do care a bit but don't believe Trump will do all the things he says he will do and indeed has already attempted through his minions like that GOP woman given nine years jail time yesterday.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,877
    Sandpit said:

    Eabhal said:

    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    This is an obvious idea so good it's surprising no one did it properly a decade back.

    Having real temperature control (as opposed to power setting) on a stove top. The twist is having an integrated rechargeable battery, so the cooking surface can deliver instantaneous power that's well in excess of the mains supply.

    So we ended up integrating a new type of sensor with the highest performance induction system I think ever built ...

    After cooking with it, we realized something: actually having high heat + temperature sensing is ... big.

    Like "worth replacing a high end stove" big.

    https://x.com/sdamico/status/1826435062126313790

    When we re-did our kitchen a couple of years back we got an induction hob. It's really quick, and easy to clean. It's as quick to adjust as gas, but I think I still prefer gas.
    In twenty years it will still be perfect black shiny glass. When you see a gas hob that’s 20 you may want amto call environmental health.

    Love my induction hob. 20 this year.
    Induction hob, great.

    Half your pans being incompatible with an Induction hob, not so great.

    Electric hobs are shit.

    Induction hobs are shit.

    Both have horrible ‘buttons’ and the latter requires stupid special pans.

    Gas is the only choice for people who like to cook.
    You're right about the buttons.

    But gas is the cash of the kitchen.
    Nope. Because gas is the best technology in its class and cash the worst.
    Best of all, they both work when the power goes off - as millions of Americans are discovering in the aftermath of Hurricane Helene. People used to relying on electricity and card payments can’t buy food or cook it.
    CASH !!
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,767
    Sandpit said:

    Eabhal said:

    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    This is an obvious idea so good it's surprising no one did it properly a decade back.

    Having real temperature control (as opposed to power setting) on a stove top. The twist is having an integrated rechargeable battery, so the cooking surface can deliver instantaneous power that's well in excess of the mains supply.

    So we ended up integrating a new type of sensor with the highest performance induction system I think ever built ...

    After cooking with it, we realized something: actually having high heat + temperature sensing is ... big.

    Like "worth replacing a high end stove" big.

    https://x.com/sdamico/status/1826435062126313790

    When we re-did our kitchen a couple of years back we got an induction hob. It's really quick, and easy to clean. It's as quick to adjust as gas, but I think I still prefer gas.
    In twenty years it will still be perfect black shiny glass. When you see a gas hob that’s 20 you may want amto call environmental health.

    Love my induction hob. 20 this year.
    Induction hob, great.

    Half your pans being incompatible with an Induction hob, not so great.

    Electric hobs are shit.

    Induction hobs are shit.

    Both have horrible ‘buttons’ and the latter requires stupid special pans.

    Gas is the only choice for people who like to cook.
    You're right about the buttons.

    But gas is the cash of the kitchen.
    Nope. Because gas is the best technology in its class and cash the worst.
    Best of all, they both work when the power goes off - as millions of Americans are discovering in the aftermath of Hurricane Helene. People used to relying on electricity and card payments can’t buy food or cook it.
    The dash for gas was overcooked but the dash from cash may be overdone

  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,112
    Taz said:

    What about Zarah Sultana. From her various media appearances she is always having a dig at Starmer and labour. She is not keeping her head down to try to earn back the whip.

    She seems to be positioning herself as an opposition speaker.

    I also couldn’t see her winning as an Indy.

    Sultana is a great communicator, her TikTok following is particularly numerous.

    I can see her being the standard bearer of the Labour left, though clearly Starmer is no fan.

    As most opposition to Starmer is that he has been to Tory both in policy and in troughing, his real threat is from the left. If he can win back some of the Green and Indy vote, as well as GOTV then Labour gets a second term. I suspect he will stand down in 2028 to refresh the party.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,792

    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    This is an obvious idea so good it's surprising no one did it properly a decade back.

    Having real temperature control (as opposed to power setting) on a stove top. The twist is having an integrated rechargeable battery, so the cooking surface can deliver instantaneous power that's well in excess of the mains supply.

    So we ended up integrating a new type of sensor with the highest performance induction system I think ever built ...

    After cooking with it, we realized something: actually having high heat + temperature sensing is ... big.

    Like "worth replacing a high end stove" big.

    https://x.com/sdamico/status/1826435062126313790

    Don't professional chefs use gas hobs? Where the flame temperature is essentially constant.
    No - this keeps the pan temperature at a set level, which is a completely different thing.

    A stove top gas flame burns at a bit under 2000 deg C - but the mount of energy it transfers to the pan varies with the amount of gas. A dry pan with nothing in it would eventually reach that temperature as the pan heats up, of course. Add food, and it becomes a lot more complicated.

    Cooking is a dynamic process, Controlling the temperature of the pan is actually quite a skill.
    A temperature controlled hob makes it easy - the control electronics do all the work of turning the power up and down.

    That does sound clever, I'm just not sure what the benefit to a cook is.
    You don't need to micromanage the heat input to the pan. So it's great for something where you want to get up to a temperature and then hold it at that temperature. Cooking rice was one example given, but I think it would make caramelising onions, or cooking a risotto a lot easier.

    Something like pancakes/griddle scones I could imagine would cook a lot better if you could hold the pan at a constant temperature. This sounds great.
    I mean, anyone who can actually - you know - cook, can himself hold the temperature at the right level by looking at the food cooking and adjusting the gas level.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,505
    edited October 5
    Israel has killed the head of the Hamas military wing in Lebanon. Saeed Atallah was killed in an airstrike that hit his apartment in Tripoli, northern Lebanon.

    It is as if Israel has all terrorist group leaders AirTagged in Lebanon.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,972
    EU last night passed tariffs on Chinese cars, but with a very split vote.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/10/04/eu-trade-war-with-china-will-not-save-bloated-carmakers/

    Germany voted against, worried more about Chinese retaliation and German exports than the domestic European market being flooded with cheap Chinese cars.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,554
    O/T but found The Wild Geese on Amazon this morning and forgot how bloody good it is. What a cast as well.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,972

    Israel has killed the head of the Hamas military wing in Lebanon. Saeed Atallah was killed in an airstrike that hit his apartment in Tripoli, northern Lebanon.

    It is as if Israel has all terrorist group leaders AirTagged in Lebanon.

    Those remaining should take a leaf out of Hamas’s book and get themselves to an international hotel in Qatar, where no-one is going to lob missiles at them.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,505
    edited October 5
    Sandpit said:

    Israel has killed the head of the Hamas military wing in Lebanon. Saeed Atallah was killed in an airstrike that hit his apartment in Tripoli, northern Lebanon.

    It is as if Israel has all terrorist group leaders AirTagged in Lebanon.

    Those remaining should take a leaf out of Hamas’s book and get themselves to an international hotel in Qatar, where no-one is going to lob missiles at them.
    And have Jeremy Bowen come and talk to them on a regular basis.

    Israel seems to have much better intel in Lebanon than in Gaza.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,934

    Israel has killed the head of the Hamas military wing in Lebanon. Saeed Atallah was killed in an airstrike that hit his apartment in Tripoli, northern Lebanon.

    It is as if Israel has all terrorist group leaders AirTagged in Lebanon.

    Makes it look like WW2 U-boat crews had a long and fulfilling retirement by comparison...
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,122

    stodge said:

    Morning all :)

    I've thought for a while the next big political movement in this country (and more widely in other parts of Europe) will be something along the lines of Wagenknecht's BSW party in Germany.

    This evolution will further diminish the relevance of terms like "right" and "left" which are already only used either as laxy short hand or perjorative terms.

    Reform, for example, has, I believe, a dichotomy between elements of the leadership (Tice and Farage in particular) and some of the membership. Yes, resistance to immigration is their glue but just as every other party, it is evolving into a broader church attracting those who are culturally conservative and strongly patriotic or nationalist.

    The fault line is, as it often is, around the role of the State and economics. Some might prefer the small-State, low tax model (I'm sure Tice and Farage, who are basically unreconstructed Thatcherites, do) but other parts of Reform want an active, interventionist State with public money spent, not, as they see it, on migrants, but on improving the areas in which they live.

    This is why Johnson's "levelling up" agenda was so popular with ex-Labour voters in 2019 and why, when it wasn't delivered, the sense of betrayal drove hundreds of thousands of those ex-2019 Conservatives into the arms of Reform.

    I'm no Conservative or Reform supporter but I can see the attraction and desirability of levelling up - the cutting back of HS2 by Sunak was probably the final nail in the coffin and it may be Reform's local strength will increase quickly (we see this in Blackpool and Amber Valley, two classic WWC areas which have frankly been let down by successive Governments of all stripes).

    How will Reform evolve? It won't be Farage's plaything for ever and I suspect it will become something less like a British AfD or VOX and more like a British BSW.

    Depends on what is meant by 'levelling up'.

    Northern England currently has full employment for the first time for 50+ years together with affordable housing.

    If you're a WWC teenager in Amber Valley you're opportunities are better than those of any previous generation.

    But opportunities are not guarantees.

    The right to try is not the same as a right to have.

    Regrettably many will fail to take these opportunities and will be 'left behind'.

    Just as there are so many 'left behind' from previous generations.

    And for these 'levelling up' is really just a different way of saying 'take it from them and give it to me'.

    With the 'them' often being people like themselves who have been far more successful.
    ...and no society that rewards take/give like that can work, so it is in all of our interests to show some tough love here.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,505
    We know it coming along with a load of sin taxes / nanny state restrictions.

    Ministers are facing pressure to ­introduce minimum unit pricing for alcohol after Lord Darzi’s investigation into the NHS highlighted the “alarming” death toll in England caused by cheap drink.

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/oct/05/england-urged-to-bring-in-minimum-unit-price-on-alcohol-as-deaths-rise-10-a-year
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 28,394
    Former chancellor Nadhim Zahawi has admitted that he used to be a football hooligan and would “go out looking for fights”.

    ... Mr Zahawi said: “I was part of Liverpool’s firm and would go out looking for fights as a football hooligan.

    “In one fight with Southampton fans...

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/nadhim-zahawi-football-hooligan-liverpool-b2623543.html

    The real reason Rishi sacked him.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,934

    Former chancellor Nadhim Zahawi has admitted that he used to be a football hooligan and would “go out looking for fights”.

    ... Mr Zahawi said: “I was part of Liverpool’s firm and would go out looking for fights as a football hooligan.

    “In one fight with Southampton fans...

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/nadhim-zahawi-football-hooligan-liverpool-b2623543.html

    The real reason Rishi sacked him.

    Quite right. Can't have Liverpool fans at the heart of Government...
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,505
    edited October 5

    Former chancellor Nadhim Zahawi has admitted that he used to be a football hooligan and would “go out looking for fights”.

    ... Mr Zahawi said: “I was part of Liverpool’s firm and would go out looking for fights as a football hooligan.

    “In one fight with Southampton fans...

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/nadhim-zahawi-football-hooligan-liverpool-b2623543.html

    The real reason Rishi sacked him.

    Well that is quite a revelation.....surprised it didn't come out before when he became high profile politician. I really wouldn't have pegged him as such.

    I don't think we have to worry about TSE being revealed to be part of such a crew, as getting into trouble like that would mess up his trainers.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,972

    We know it coming along with a load of sin taxes / nanny state restrictions.

    Ministers are facing pressure to ­introduce minimum unit pricing for alcohol after Lord Darzi’s investigation into the NHS highlighted the “alarming” death toll in England caused by cheap drink.

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/oct/05/england-urged-to-bring-in-minimum-unit-price-on-alcohol-as-deaths-rise-10-a-year

    Doesn’t the Scottish version of minimum pricing simply boost the profits of the offies, rather than raising money for treating addiction and poor health caused by alcohol abuse?
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,942

    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    This is an obvious idea so good it's surprising no one did it properly a decade back.

    Having real temperature control (as opposed to power setting) on a stove top. The twist is having an integrated rechargeable battery, so the cooking surface can deliver instantaneous power that's well in excess of the mains supply.

    So we ended up integrating a new type of sensor with the highest performance induction system I think ever built ...

    After cooking with it, we realized something: actually having high heat + temperature sensing is ... big.

    Like "worth replacing a high end stove" big.

    https://x.com/sdamico/status/1826435062126313790

    When we re-did our kitchen a couple of years back we got an induction hob. It's really quick, and easy to clean. It's as quick to adjust as gas, but I think I still prefer gas.
    In twenty years it will still be perfect black shiny glass. When you see a gas hob that’s 20 you may want amto call environmental health.

    Love my induction hob. 20 this year.
    Induction hob, great.

    Half your pans being incompatible with an Induction hob, not so great.

    Electric hobs are shit.

    Induction hobs are shit.

    Both have horrible ‘buttons’ and the latter requires stupid special pans.

    Gas is the only choice for people who like to cook.
    This is pb.com. No doubt someone here will argue for the benefits of cooking with a haybox...
    MSR Windburner myself. 2 weeks worth of instant noodles and I'm set.

    (To be fair on @Anabobazina , I am unusually resilient due to all my camping gear)
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,942

    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    This is an obvious idea so good it's surprising no one did it properly a decade back.

    Having real temperature control (as opposed to power setting) on a stove top. The twist is having an integrated rechargeable battery, so the cooking surface can deliver instantaneous power that's well in excess of the mains supply.

    So we ended up integrating a new type of sensor with the highest performance induction system I think ever built ...

    After cooking with it, we realized something: actually having high heat + temperature sensing is ... big.

    Like "worth replacing a high end stove" big.

    https://x.com/sdamico/status/1826435062126313790

    When we re-did our kitchen a couple of years back we got an induction hob. It's really quick, and easy to clean. It's as quick to adjust as gas, but I think I still prefer gas.
    In twenty years it will still be perfect black shiny glass. When you see a gas hob that’s 20 you may want amto call environmental health.

    Love my induction hob. 20 this year.
    Induction hob, great.

    Half your pans being incompatible with an Induction hob, not so great.

    Electric hobs are shit.

    Induction hobs are shit.

    Both have horrible ‘buttons’ and the latter requires stupid special pans.

    Gas is the only choice for people who like to cook.
    This is pb.com. No doubt someone here will argue for the benefits of cooking with a haybox...
    Ed Miliband hates hay 😡
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,114
    Only 30 days to the US election. The most important in our lifetimes.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,505
    edited October 5

    Only 30 days to the US election. The most important in our lifetimes.....

    Since the last US election....and until the next one.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,934

    We know it coming along with a load of sin taxes / nanny state restrictions.

    Ministers are facing pressure to ­introduce minimum unit pricing for alcohol after Lord Darzi’s investigation into the NHS highlighted the “alarming” death toll in England caused by cheap drink.

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/oct/05/england-urged-to-bring-in-minimum-unit-price-on-alcohol-as-deaths-rise-10-a-year

    After five years of this government, we might not be sick, but we are going to be the Miserable Man of Europe.

    Life here is going to be utterly joyless.
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