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edited October 12 in General
Well now – politicalbetting.com

?EXCLUSIVE: Rosie Duffield (@RosieDuffield1) has resigned as a Labour MP, blaming Sir Keir Starmer’s “cruel and unnecessary” policies and the freebies row that is engulfing him and his party

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  • First?
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,857
    Second, like Arsenal at this precise moment
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,857
    edited September 28
    The resignation letter is a bit of fissile material. The final words refer to 'The greed of the few'.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 6,916
    So what’s Duffield’s end game here? It feels odd to do this so soon after an election and at the first bad news for the government. Yes she’s always had differences with figures in Labour but that wouldn’t have precluded her from being a serial rebel inside the party.
  • pm215pm215 Posts: 1,153

    So what’s Duffield’s end game here? It feels odd to do this so soon after an election and at the first bad news for the government. Yes she’s always had differences with figures in Labour but that wouldn’t have precluded her from being a serial rebel inside the party.

    Well if you do it *before* the election your chances of being elected go down quite sharply...

  • So what’s Duffield’s end game here? It feels odd to do this so soon after an election and at the first bad news for the government. Yes she’s always had differences with figures in Labour but that wouldn’t have precluded her from being a serial rebel inside the party.

    Another curious thing.

    If the aim is to hurt the leadership- and by golly, that's the tone of the letter- wouldn't before/during the conference have been the time to resign?

    What are her overall politics? I know she likes the biological sex model of male and female, and dislikes Starmer. Where does she sit on the left-right axis? Is she Team Jeremy?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,268

    So what’s Duffield’s end game here? It feels odd to do this so soon after an election and at the first bad news for the government. Yes she’s always had differences with figures in Labour but that wouldn’t have precluded her from being a serial rebel inside the party.

    New party bankrolled by JK Rowling?
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 4,951

    So what’s Duffield’s end game here? It feels odd to do this so soon after an election and at the first bad news for the government. Yes she’s always had differences with figures in Labour but that wouldn’t have precluded her from being a serial rebel inside the party.

    She's clearly not going to join the MP for Islington and Gaza's little bloc, but given some of the, er, views she is most renowned for, is there a chance she joins Reform on an "enemy of my enemy is my friend' style transfer?

    For the record - I disagree with her views but as a libertarian would defend to the death her right to voice them. The violence and threats she has been subjected to as a result of those views are utterly unacceptable in a polite society, or a Parliamentary democracy.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,767
    "for Starmer he must hope she is an outlier"
    an outlier without influence or leverage
    (this is for statisticians - Google it)
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,857
    It must be the weekend. I don't think the BBC or Guardian have noticed yet; though I may have missed it.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,864
    Rosie Duffield was Labour's first ever Canterbury MP and now could give the Tories a shot if she stands as an Independent at the next GE
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,857

    So what’s Duffield’s end game here? It feels odd to do this so soon after an election and at the first bad news for the government. Yes she’s always had differences with figures in Labour but that wouldn’t have precluded her from being a serial rebel inside the party.

    New party bankrolled by JK Rowling?
    Doubtful. There isn't going to be a separate party for traditionally minded moderate unwoke non graduate socialists who don't speak in riddles, and think the poor should be favoured over the rich and that politics is unfashionable service.

    We called it the Labour party, and it is too soon for a new one.
  • algarkirk said:

    It must be the weekend. I don't think the BBC or Guardian have noticed yet; though I may have missed it.

    The BBC have noticed, they sent me a push notification about 10 mins ago.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3vkdy997rko
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,496
    Fuck me, that letter is BRUTAL
  • An MP with integrity

    It should be commended
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,496

    An MP with integrity

    It should be commended

    I trust @Anabobazina will be along shortly, to accuse her of "boring trivial right wing obsessions" and "destabilising the realm"
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,864
    kyf_100 said:

    So what’s Duffield’s end game here? It feels odd to do this so soon after an election and at the first bad news for the government. Yes she’s always had differences with figures in Labour but that wouldn’t have precluded her from being a serial rebel inside the party.

    She's clearly not going to join the MP for Islington and Gaza's little bloc, but given some of the, er, views she is most renowned for, is there a chance she joins Reform on an "enemy of my enemy is my friend' style transfer?

    For the record - I disagree with her views but as a libertarian would defend to the death her right to voice them. The violence and threats she has been subjected to as a result of those views are utterly unacceptable in a polite society, or a Parliamentary democracy.
    More likely she joined the Tories than Reform
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,945
    "“The sleaze, nepotism and apparent avarice are off the scale. I am so ashamed of what you and your inner circle have done to tarnish and humiliate our once proud party” | ✍️

    @RosieDuffield1"

    https://x.com/thetimes/status/1840063922205839361
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,496
    That is the most savage resignation letter I have ever seen. I do not believe this is because she is so suddenly shocked by griftgate and The free-frockalypse. However she has cannily used those to great effect - "shameful avarice"

    There must now be a decent chance Starmer goes. Not a big chance, but no longer vanishingly small

    Popcorn!
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,578
    edited September 28
    Bit early for an MP defection really, as Leon notes it's more of an 'in power for 10 years' thing, but an atypical individual situation. Kind of feels like she would have done it before, but needed to get re-elected first. I'm sure her views are sincere, but has that much changed about the party since taking power? Yes, the gifts business, but that's the sort of thing you protest, not quit, unless there's more fundamental stuff.

    As kyf_100 suggests, doesn't seem like she'd be a good fit for Cotbyn and the Gaza Bros. Long term independent I reckon.
  • Leon said:

    An MP with integrity

    It should be commended

    I trust @Anabobazina will be along shortly, to accuse her of "boring trivial right wing obsessions" and "destabilising the realm"
    Tomorrow's headlines and media will be interesting
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,578
    Andy_JS said:

    "“The sleaze, nepotism and apparent avarice are off the scale. I am so ashamed of what you and your inner circle have done to tarnish and humiliate our once proud party” | ✍️

    @RosieDuffield1"

    https://x.com/thetimes/status/1840063922205839361

    Not exactly a regretful line, which will be the most people remember about it.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,945

    So what’s Duffield’s end game here? It feels odd to do this so soon after an election and at the first bad news for the government. Yes she’s always had differences with figures in Labour but that wouldn’t have precluded her from being a serial rebel inside the party.

    Another curious thing.

    If the aim is to hurt the leadership- and by golly, that's the tone of the letter- wouldn't before/during the conference have been the time to resign?

    What are her overall politics? I know she likes the biological sex model of male and female, and dislikes Starmer. Where does she sit on the left-right axis? Is she Team Jeremy?
    I don't think she's on Team Jeremy.
  • Leon said:

    That is the most savage resignation letter I have ever seen. I do not believe this is because she is so suddenly shocked by griftgate and The free-frockalypse. However she has cannily used those to great effect - "shameful avarice"

    There must now be a decent chance Starmer goes. Not a big chance, but no longer vanishingly small

    Popcorn!

    BRACE!
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,114
    That letter.

    Wow.

    Says what a hell of a lot of people are thinking on the avarice and greed of GiftGate.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,972
    Leon said:

    Fuck me, that letter is BRUTAL

    Just read it on Sam Coates twitter feed. All I can say is you’re correct. It is.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,496
    kle4 said:

    Bit early for an MP defection really, as Leon notes it's more of an 'in power for 10 years' thing, but an atypical individual situation. Kind of feels like she would have done it before, but needed to get re-elected first. I'm sure her views are sincere, but has that much changed about the party since taking power?

    As kyf_100 suggests, doesn't seem like she'd be a good fit for Cotbyn and the Gaza Bros. Long term independent I reckon.

    But it comes at the worst possible moment for Starmer, when he is rocked daily by the grift allegations

    It feels relentless, and again I wonder if it is in some way co-ordinated to destabilise him, and ultimately remove him
  • Sounds like there's an organized faction within Labour that has seriously decided to topple Sir Keir. Presumably the feeling is that he got lucky at the GE, won't get lucky again so best to be rid now. For Labour that's unusually brutal. Have they become so hardened and ruthless after a string of duff leaders that they won't now tolerate one who seems just a bit mediocre, even when he's given them a massive majority?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,082

    So what’s Duffield’s end game here? It feels odd to do this so soon after an election and at the first bad news for the government. Yes she’s always had differences with figures in Labour but that wouldn’t have precluded her from being a serial rebel inside the party.

    Rosie Duffield is joining the growing number of hard alt-right groups and individuals - such as Unite and the Guardian - who are talking up a non-existent scandal.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,972

    That letter.

    Wow.

    Says what a hell of a lot of people are thinking on the avarice and greed of GiftGate.

    ‘Not cutting through’
  • Tomorrow's interviews with Labour cabinet ministers and mps

    'Do you agree with Rosie' ?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,114
    Leon said:

    That is the most savage resignation letter I have ever seen. I do not believe this is because she is so suddenly shocked by griftgate and The free-frockalypse. However she has cannily used those to great effect - "shameful avarice"

    There must now be a decent chance Starmer goes. Not a big chance, but no longer vanishingly small

    Popcorn!

    She's had a long running 'feud' with Starmer over the trans/what is a woman issue but she also seems highly pissed off (like most of the PLP) about the WFA and the two child cap brutality.
  • Leon said:

    kle4 said:

    Bit early for an MP defection really, as Leon notes it's more of an 'in power for 10 years' thing, but an atypical individual situation. Kind of feels like she would have done it before, but needed to get re-elected first. I'm sure her views are sincere, but has that much changed about the party since taking power?

    As kyf_100 suggests, doesn't seem like she'd be a good fit for Cotbyn and the Gaza Bros. Long term independent I reckon.

    But it comes at the worst possible moment for Starmer, when he is rocked daily by the grift allegations

    It feels relentless, and again I wonder if it is in some way co-ordinated to destabilise him, and ultimately remove him
    Truss was gift to Labour

    Rosie gift to all Labour’s opponents
  • Tomorrow's interviews with Labour cabinet ministers and mps

    'Do you agree with Rosie' ?

    There are no Labour cabinet ministers/MPs scheduled tomorrow as it is the Tory conference.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,578
    edited September 28
    I did not vote for you to lead our party for reasons I won’t describe in detail here. But, as someone elevated immediately to a shadow cabinet position without following the usual path of honing your political skills on the backbenches, you had very little previous political footprint

    I find this bit the more interesting part of the letter, because as far as political attacks go it is not one which the public at large probably care about at all, or are even much aware of. But I have noted before just how quickly Starmer was put into a senior position, he was even floated as a leadership candidate weeks after first becoming an MP. Even more than Sunak, he had no experience of backbench life.

    In modern times those who make it to the top appear to need to get there quickly, even if in shadow positions, and it is interesting that Duffield has chosen to call that sort of thing out specifically.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,945
    "Owen Jones
    @owenjonesjourno

    This is an absolutely devastating resignation letter.

    It is absolutely correct - it’s a searing, damning indictment of the soulless, toxic Starmer project.

    It is, however, unfortunate that these points aren’t being made by someone else."

    https://x.com/owenjonesjourno/status/1840065218614857998
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,496

    So what’s Duffield’s end game here? It feels odd to do this so soon after an election and at the first bad news for the government. Yes she’s always had differences with figures in Labour but that wouldn’t have precluded her from being a serial rebel inside the party.

    Rosie Duffield is joining the growing number of hard alt-right groups and individuals - such as Unite and the Guardian - who are talking up a non-existent scandal.
    lol!
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,114

    Leon said:

    kle4 said:

    Bit early for an MP defection really, as Leon notes it's more of an 'in power for 10 years' thing, but an atypical individual situation. Kind of feels like she would have done it before, but needed to get re-elected first. I'm sure her views are sincere, but has that much changed about the party since taking power?

    As kyf_100 suggests, doesn't seem like she'd be a good fit for Cotbyn and the Gaza Bros. Long term independent I reckon.

    But it comes at the worst possible moment for Starmer, when he is rocked daily by the grift allegations

    It feels relentless, and again I wonder if it is in some way co-ordinated to destabilise him, and ultimately remove him
    Truss was gift to Labour

    Rosie gift to all Labour’s opponents
    Owen is straight in....


    Owen Jones
    @owenjonesjourno
    ·
    26m
    A prediction:

    Everything the left said about Keir Starmer and his allies - for which we were mocked and vilified - will end up not only vindicated, but become the consensus view.

    This soulless project is stuffed full of malign self-advancing careerists.

    It will sink.
  • Leon said:

    kle4 said:

    Bit early for an MP defection really, as Leon notes it's more of an 'in power for 10 years' thing, but an atypical individual situation. Kind of feels like she would have done it before, but needed to get re-elected first. I'm sure her views are sincere, but has that much changed about the party since taking power?

    As kyf_100 suggests, doesn't seem like she'd be a good fit for Cotbyn and the Gaza Bros. Long term independent I reckon.

    But it comes at the worst possible moment for Starmer, when he is rocked daily by the grift allegations

    It feels relentless, and again I wonder if it is in some way co-ordinated to destabilise him, and ultimately remove him
    Truss was gift to Labour

    Rosie gift to all Labour’s opponents
    You need some perspective.

    Rosie Duffield, a nondescript backbench MP most of the public couldn't pick out or the Prime Minister who spooked the markets and lost to a lettuce?
  • Leon said:

    kle4 said:

    Bit early for an MP defection really, as Leon notes it's more of an 'in power for 10 years' thing, but an atypical individual situation. Kind of feels like she would have done it before, but needed to get re-elected first. I'm sure her views are sincere, but has that much changed about the party since taking power?

    As kyf_100 suggests, doesn't seem like she'd be a good fit for Cotbyn and the Gaza Bros. Long term independent I reckon.

    But it comes at the worst possible moment for Starmer, when he is rocked daily by the grift allegations

    It feels relentless, and again I wonder if it is in some way co-ordinated to destabilise him, and ultimately remove him
    Truss was gift to Labour

    Rosie gift to all Labour’s opponents
    Owen is straight in....


    Owen Jones
    @owenjonesjourno
    ·
    26m
    A prediction:

    Everything the left said about Keir Starmer and his allies - for which we were mocked and vilified - will end up not only vindicated, but become the consensus view.

    This soulless project is stuffed full of malign self-advancing careerists.

    It will sink.
    Phew, Starmer is safe then.
  • Tomorrow's interviews with Labour cabinet ministers and mps

    'Do you agree with Rosie' ?

    There are no Labour cabinet ministers/MPs scheduled tomorrow as it is the Tory conference.
    That is lucky for them, for now
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,496
    edited September 28
    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    Fuck me, that letter is BRUTAL

    Just read it on Sam Coates twitter feed. All I can say is you’re correct. It is.
    Three pages of pure loathing and contempt. Not a shred of respect - "you're a decent man doing a hard job" blah blah

    Just pure 100% ultra-distilled vitriol. The problem for Starmer is that, nonetheless, it doesn't sound unhinged. It is articulate and pointed
  • Tim_in_RuislipTim_in_Ruislip Posts: 435
    edited September 28
    Disappointing, but Labour have no option but to take the responsibility of running the country seriously - and that is going to piss off lots of people, in the short term.

    Probably including me.

    But it has to be done.

    The medium and long term rewards are worth it.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,114
    Andy_JS said:

    So what’s Duffield’s end game here? It feels odd to do this so soon after an election and at the first bad news for the government. Yes she’s always had differences with figures in Labour but that wouldn’t have precluded her from being a serial rebel inside the party.

    Another curious thing.

    If the aim is to hurt the leadership- and by golly, that's the tone of the letter- wouldn't before/during the conference have been the time to resign?

    What are her overall politics? I know she likes the biological sex model of male and female, and dislikes Starmer. Where does she sit on the left-right axis? Is she Team Jeremy?
    I don't think she's on Team Jeremy.
    Definitely wont be joining the Greens.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 3,944
    Wow, what a letter.
    I saw Rod Liddle being interviewed on some channel or other and he said that Starmer wont be PM for long. I remember thinking that a ridiculous statement, but now?....
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,376
    Rosie!!!!!
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,069
    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    Fuck me, that letter is BRUTAL

    Just read it on Sam Coates twitter feed. All I can say is you’re correct. It is.
    It's going to make things jolly awkward the next time they meet, certainly.
  • Disappointing, but Labour have no option but to take the responsibility of running the country seriously - and that is going to piss off lots of people, in the short term.

    Probably including me.

    But it has to be done.

    The medium and long term rewards are worth it.

    It has but there are choices
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,496

    Wow, what a letter.
    I saw Rod Liddle being interviewed on some channel or other and he said that Starmer wont be PM for long. I remember thinking that a ridiculous statement, but now?....

    Social media is promising more Starmer relevations. IF that is true - big if - then what are they? The PM is now tottering

    Quite incredible, after just 3 months and with a 170 seat majority
  • IS it within realm of possibility (if not of KCIII) that Rosie Duffield's epic resignation/repudiation of the Labour whip, is really a cunning conspiracy by The Blog and it's henchpeople low & high, to confuse and mislead the anti-Woke Blogophobes?

    What are the odds? (Asking for a friend!)
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,668
    Rosie Duffield really hates Starmer.
  • Leon said:

    kle4 said:

    Bit early for an MP defection really, as Leon notes it's more of an 'in power for 10 years' thing, but an atypical individual situation. Kind of feels like she would have done it before, but needed to get re-elected first. I'm sure her views are sincere, but has that much changed about the party since taking power?

    As kyf_100 suggests, doesn't seem like she'd be a good fit for Cotbyn and the Gaza Bros. Long term independent I reckon.

    But it comes at the worst possible moment for Starmer, when he is rocked daily by the grift allegations

    It feels relentless, and again I wonder if it is in some way co-ordinated to destabilise him, and ultimately remove him
    Truss was gift to Labour

    Rosie gift to all Labour’s opponents
    You need some perspective.

    Rosie Duffield, a nondescript backbench MP most of the public couldn't pick out or the Prime Minister who spooked the markets and lost to a lettuce?
    We will see but you cannot deny this is a gift to Labour’s opponents
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,864
    Starmer is trending on twitter now, but nothing to do with his policies or premiership. Though from my point of view his private life is his own as long as legal
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,496

    Leon said:

    kle4 said:

    Bit early for an MP defection really, as Leon notes it's more of an 'in power for 10 years' thing, but an atypical individual situation. Kind of feels like she would have done it before, but needed to get re-elected first. I'm sure her views are sincere, but has that much changed about the party since taking power?

    As kyf_100 suggests, doesn't seem like she'd be a good fit for Cotbyn and the Gaza Bros. Long term independent I reckon.

    But it comes at the worst possible moment for Starmer, when he is rocked daily by the grift allegations

    It feels relentless, and again I wonder if it is in some way co-ordinated to destabilise him, and ultimately remove him
    Truss was gift to Labour

    Rosie gift to all Labour’s opponents
    You need some perspective.

    Rosie Duffield, a nondescript backbench MP most of the public couldn't pick out or the Prime Minister who spooked the markets and lost to a lettuce?
    We will see but you cannot deny this is a gift to Labour’s opponents
    @TheScreamingEagles would be correct if otherwise all was calm in the Labour camp

    But it is not. This is like another hefty punch to a man already on the ropes with one eye badly cut
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,578
    edited September 28
    Canterbury made history when its voters elected their first woman, and only non-Conservative, MP since the seat was created in the thirteenth century.

    Blimey, I had no idea the Conservative Party had such deep roots. Natural party of government indeed.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,236
    edited September 28
    pm215 said:

    So what’s Duffield’s end game here? It feels odd to do this so soon after an election and at the first bad news for the government. Yes she’s always had differences with figures in Labour but that wouldn’t have precluded her from being a serial rebel inside the party.

    Well if you do it *before* the election your chances of being elected go down quite sharply...

    Exactly. Duffield gets to be a non-Labour MP on a Labour ticket when she wouldn't otherwise be elected. Labour puts off a damaging row until after the election. The win/win is so powerful it's hard to imagine it wasn't premeditated on both sides. The pages long rant that is her resignation letter doesn't scream sudden change of mind either.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,709

    Rosie Duffield really hates Starmer.

    In other shock news the Pope is a Catholic.

    Although I will admit her resigning the whip comes a bit left field.
  • Apparently Rosie is the fastest MP to jump ship after a general election in modern political history
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,578
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    kle4 said:

    Bit early for an MP defection really, as Leon notes it's more of an 'in power for 10 years' thing, but an atypical individual situation. Kind of feels like she would have done it before, but needed to get re-elected first. I'm sure her views are sincere, but has that much changed about the party since taking power?

    As kyf_100 suggests, doesn't seem like she'd be a good fit for Cotbyn and the Gaza Bros. Long term independent I reckon.

    But it comes at the worst possible moment for Starmer, when he is rocked daily by the grift allegations

    It feels relentless, and again I wonder if it is in some way co-ordinated to destabilise him, and ultimately remove him
    Truss was gift to Labour

    Rosie gift to all Labour’s opponents
    You need some perspective.

    Rosie Duffield, a nondescript backbench MP most of the public couldn't pick out or the Prime Minister who spooked the markets and lost to a lettuce?
    We will see but you cannot deny this is a gift to Labour’s opponents
    TheScreamingEagles would be correct if otherwise all was calm in the Labour camp

    But it is not. This is like another hefty punch to a man already on the ropes with one eye badly cut
    Parties have glass jaws thesedays, they usually run from confrontations even when they are strong, and fear even a light blow. Having chosen to try a few actual tough things (and made some stupid errors), they will need to learn how to roll with the punches again.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 4,974
    algarkirk said:

    It must be the weekend. I don't think the BBC or Guardian have noticed yet; though I may have missed it.

    BBC News just sent a push notification.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,709
    kle4 said:

    Canterbury made history when its voters elected their first woman, and only non-Conservative, MP since the seat was created in the thirteenth century.

    Blimey, I had no idea the Conservative Party had such deep roots. Natural party of government indeed.

    Since the Conservative Party didn't exist until at least 1679 the second part can't be true.
  • Leon said:

    Leon said:

    kle4 said:

    Bit early for an MP defection really, as Leon notes it's more of an 'in power for 10 years' thing, but an atypical individual situation. Kind of feels like she would have done it before, but needed to get re-elected first. I'm sure her views are sincere, but has that much changed about the party since taking power?

    As kyf_100 suggests, doesn't seem like she'd be a good fit for Cotbyn and the Gaza Bros. Long term independent I reckon.

    But it comes at the worst possible moment for Starmer, when he is rocked daily by the grift allegations

    It feels relentless, and again I wonder if it is in some way co-ordinated to destabilise him, and ultimately remove him
    Truss was gift to Labour

    Rosie gift to all Labour’s opponents
    You need some perspective.

    Rosie Duffield, a nondescript backbench MP most of the public couldn't pick out or the Prime Minister who spooked the markets and lost to a lettuce?
    We will see but you cannot deny this is a gift to Labour’s opponents
    @TheScreamingEagles would be correct if otherwise all was calm in the Labour camp

    But it is not. This is like another hefty punch to a man already on the ropes with one eye badly cut
    No, it would have been more destabilising if she had resigned a week ago or even last Tuesday/Wednesday as it would have dominated the Labour Party conference.

    The next fortnight is going to be dominated by the Tory conference then voting in the leadership contest.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,496
    This was posted on TwiX ten days ago. Now seems very prescient


    "NEW: Labour insider tells me that the party is an absolute binfire at the top. "Now they have hounded the left out the party they have turned on each other. This time it is over money but a load of other stuff is going to get leaked over the next few weeks""

    https://x.com/doctoriaindarcy/status/1836674870240797101
  • ICYMI, I changed my avatar yesterday :sunglasses:
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,578
    Starmer should just quit already, he's already almost doubled Truss's tally, and after such a powerhouse time as PM from her who needs longer than that?

  • Rosie Duffield really hates Starmer.

    No shit!
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,972
    Leon said:

    Wow, what a letter.
    I saw Rod Liddle being interviewed on some channel or other and he said that Starmer wont be PM for long. I remember thinking that a ridiculous statement, but now?....

    Social media is promising more Starmer relevations. IF that is true - big if - then what are they? The PM is now tottering

    Quite incredible, after just 3 months and with a 170 seat majority
    Social Media always promises but never delivers when it comes to these things

    If there are all these skeletons in the closet for SKS why didn’t they come out before.

    People on twitter need to be careful. Jenny Chapman has already received damages for an untrue allegation re her and SKS. Others may well end up suing.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,496

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    kle4 said:

    Bit early for an MP defection really, as Leon notes it's more of an 'in power for 10 years' thing, but an atypical individual situation. Kind of feels like she would have done it before, but needed to get re-elected first. I'm sure her views are sincere, but has that much changed about the party since taking power?

    As kyf_100 suggests, doesn't seem like she'd be a good fit for Cotbyn and the Gaza Bros. Long term independent I reckon.

    But it comes at the worst possible moment for Starmer, when he is rocked daily by the grift allegations

    It feels relentless, and again I wonder if it is in some way co-ordinated to destabilise him, and ultimately remove him
    Truss was gift to Labour

    Rosie gift to all Labour’s opponents
    You need some perspective.

    Rosie Duffield, a nondescript backbench MP most of the public couldn't pick out or the Prime Minister who spooked the markets and lost to a lettuce?
    We will see but you cannot deny this is a gift to Labour’s opponents
    @TheScreamingEagles would be correct if otherwise all was calm in the Labour camp

    But it is not. This is like another hefty punch to a man already on the ropes with one eye badly cut
    No, it would have been more destabilising if she had resigned a week ago or even last Tuesday/Wednesday as it would have dominated the Labour Party conference.

    The next fortnight is going to be dominated by the Tory conference then voting in the leadership contest.
    Equally, you could argue that this is great timing for the Tories. Labour might have been hoping to point and laugh at the feeble candidates, now they will be consumed by this. Meanwhile at their conference the Tories will have a real pep. The government is imploding so fast the Tories really will have a chance of winning next time, despite the huge Labour majority

    Delicious. THAT letter is why we all love politics!
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,578
    ydoethur said:

    kle4 said:

    Canterbury made history when its voters elected their first woman, and only non-Conservative, MP since the seat was created in the thirteenth century.

    Blimey, I had no idea the Conservative Party had such deep roots. Natural party of government indeed.

    Since the Conservative Party didn't exist until at least 1679 the second part can't be true.
    Soem people have argued the roots of political parties began with some of the political 'interests' during the civil war parliaments and the army factions in the 1650s, but that always struck me as reaching a bit too far from the loose affiliations of the time.

    But I suspect she was not arguing that case, but just allowing her sense of drama to arrive at a confused sounding claim.
  • Is it also possible - indeed maybe likely - that Duffield's departure from the ranks of the NewNew Labour majority, is at least in part inspired by the initial splash made in Germany by a new(er) political party, namely Bündnis Sahra Wagenknecht (Sahra Wagenknecht Alliance).

    BSW being (as I understand it) fiscally leftwing but socially righwing? AND is that where Rosie Duffield is coming from?

    For what it's worth (maybe 2-cents Canadian?) in la belle province of Quebec, the Coalition Avenir Québec (Coalition for the Future of Quebec) which is the governing party in the National Assemby (=Quebec legislature), and has been eating the lunch of the pro-independence Parti Québécois for some time. CAQ being pro-autonomist (in the classic Quebec tradition) but NOT leftwing.

    Have thought for some time, that there MIGHT be some appeal to such a party in Scotland someday in the not-to-distant future?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,709
    edited September 28
    kle4 said:

    Starmer should just quit already, he's already almost doubled Truss's tally, and after such a powerhouse time as PM from her who needs longer than that?

    That Wikipedia entry's horribly inaccurate. Truss' reason for exit should be 'gross incompetence.'
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,668
    Leon said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    Fuck me, that letter is BRUTAL

    Just read it on Sam Coates twitter feed. All I can say is you’re correct. It is.
    Three pages of pure loathing and contempt. Not a shred of respect - "you're a decent man doing a hard job" blah blah

    Just pure 100% ultra-distilled vitriol. The problem for Starmer is that, nonetheless, it doesn't sound unhinged. It is articulate and pointed
    He's consistently ignored, shunned and been rude to her.

    So, it's payback time. And she's clearly a person who thinks revenge should be served up absolutely freezing.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,496
    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    Wow, what a letter.
    I saw Rod Liddle being interviewed on some channel or other and he said that Starmer wont be PM for long. I remember thinking that a ridiculous statement, but now?....

    Social media is promising more Starmer relevations. IF that is true - big if - then what are they? The PM is now tottering

    Quite incredible, after just 3 months and with a 170 seat majority
    Social Media always promises but never delivers when it comes to these things

    If there are all these skeletons in the closet for SKS why didn’t they come out before.

    People on twitter need to be careful. Jenny Chapman has already received damages for an untrue allegation re her and SKS. Others may well end up suing.
    I am mindful of what @TheScreamingEagles says about lawyers and I will comment no more on this aspect

    However it DOES look like there is a concerted drip-drip of leaks from Number 10/the Labour elite, against Starmer. How come we KEEP getting more revelations about griftgate, day by day?

    That is the classic technique to bring down a politician. You do it slowly and cruelly so they never get a chance to recover, they are always defensive, then they fall

    It's how they brought down Boris, ironically
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,277
    Does this mean we might get Rayner soon rather than later ? Certainly it would be a lot more interesting .
  • Taz said:

    Leon said:

    Wow, what a letter.
    I saw Rod Liddle being interviewed on some channel or other and he said that Starmer wont be PM for long. I remember thinking that a ridiculous statement, but now?....

    Social media is promising more Starmer relevations. IF that is true - big if - then what are they? The PM is now tottering

    Quite incredible, after just 3 months and with a 170 seat majority
    Social Media always promises but never delivers when it comes to these things

    If there are all these skeletons in the closet for SKS why didn’t they come out before.

    People on twitter need to be careful. Jenny Chapman has already received damages for an untrue allegation re her and SKS. Others may well end up suing.
    BUT we PBers will always have "Finland" - NOT?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,330
    ydoethur said:

    kle4 said:

    Canterbury made history when its voters elected their first woman, and only non-Conservative, MP since the seat was created in the thirteenth century.

    Blimey, I had no idea the Conservative Party had such deep roots. Natural party of government indeed.

    Since the Conservative Party didn't exist until at least 1679 the second part can't be true.
    Thank goodness for proper historians.

    (Sorry. Just been reading a 'history' which had long passages of confected oratio recta in it. Pet hate of mine. That book went straight to the charity bookshop heap.)
  • Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    kle4 said:

    Bit early for an MP defection really, as Leon notes it's more of an 'in power for 10 years' thing, but an atypical individual situation. Kind of feels like she would have done it before, but needed to get re-elected first. I'm sure her views are sincere, but has that much changed about the party since taking power?

    As kyf_100 suggests, doesn't seem like she'd be a good fit for Cotbyn and the Gaza Bros. Long term independent I reckon.

    But it comes at the worst possible moment for Starmer, when he is rocked daily by the grift allegations

    It feels relentless, and again I wonder if it is in some way co-ordinated to destabilise him, and ultimately remove him
    Truss was gift to Labour

    Rosie gift to all Labour’s opponents
    You need some perspective.

    Rosie Duffield, a nondescript backbench MP most of the public couldn't pick out or the Prime Minister who spooked the markets and lost to a lettuce?
    We will see but you cannot deny this is a gift to Labour’s opponents
    @TheScreamingEagles would be correct if otherwise all was calm in the Labour camp

    But it is not. This is like another hefty punch to a man already on the ropes with one eye badly cut
    No, it would have been more destabilising if she had resigned a week ago or even last Tuesday/Wednesday as it would have dominated the Labour Party conference.

    The next fortnight is going to be dominated by the Tory conference then voting in the leadership contest.
    Equally, you could argue that this is great timing for the Tories. Labour might have been hoping to point and laugh at the feeble candidates, now they will be consumed by this. Meanwhile at their conference the Tories will have a real pep. The government is imploding so fast the Tories really will have a chance of winning next time, despite the huge Labour majority

    Delicious. THAT letter is why we all love politics!
    Nah, timing is everything.

    Just imagine if she had quit the morning of Starmer's speech or on budget day.
  • ICYMI, I changed my avatar yesterday :sunglasses:

    We noticed . . . and so did the Palace.

    They at least are NOT pleased . . . at least according to inside sources overhead via my tinfoil helmet . . .
  • PB is really having a meltdown tonight..🥴 2 months of grifting is hardly balancing with 14 years of corruption and incompetence..🧐😏
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,709
    edited September 28

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    kle4 said:

    Bit early for an MP defection really, as Leon notes it's more of an 'in power for 10 years' thing, but an atypical individual situation. Kind of feels like she would have done it before, but needed to get re-elected first. I'm sure her views are sincere, but has that much changed about the party since taking power?

    As kyf_100 suggests, doesn't seem like she'd be a good fit for Cotbyn and the Gaza Bros. Long term independent I reckon.

    But it comes at the worst possible moment for Starmer, when he is rocked daily by the grift allegations

    It feels relentless, and again I wonder if it is in some way co-ordinated to destabilise him, and ultimately remove him
    Truss was gift to Labour

    Rosie gift to all Labour’s opponents
    You need some perspective.

    Rosie Duffield, a nondescript backbench MP most of the public couldn't pick out or the Prime Minister who spooked the markets and lost to a lettuce?
    We will see but you cannot deny this is a gift to Labour’s opponents
    @TheScreamingEagles would be correct if otherwise all was calm in the Labour camp

    But it is not. This is like another hefty punch to a man already on the ropes with one eye badly cut
    No, it would have been more destabilising if she had resigned a week ago or even last Tuesday/Wednesday as it would have dominated the Labour Party conference.

    The next fortnight is going to be dominated by the Tory conference then voting in the leadership contest.
    Equally, you could argue that this is great timing for the Tories. Labour might have been hoping to point and laugh at the feeble candidates, now they will be consumed by this. Meanwhile at their conference the Tories will have a real pep. The government is imploding so fast the Tories really will have a chance of winning next time, despite the huge Labour majority

    Delicious. THAT letter is why we all love politics!
    Nah, timing is everything.

    Just imagine if she had quit the morning of Starmer's speech or on budget day.
    Speaking of timing, Mr Eagles, is it time to revise your view that the unfortunate Anne Coke had a worse honeymoon than Starmer?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,496

    Leon said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    Fuck me, that letter is BRUTAL

    Just read it on Sam Coates twitter feed. All I can say is you’re correct. It is.
    Three pages of pure loathing and contempt. Not a shred of respect - "you're a decent man doing a hard job" blah blah

    Just pure 100% ultra-distilled vitriol. The problem for Starmer is that, nonetheless, it doesn't sound unhinged. It is articulate and pointed
    He's consistently ignored, shunned and been rude to her.

    So, it's payback time. And she's clearly a person who thinks revenge should be served up absolutely freezing.
    She thinks revenge is best served up cold, in the form of ice, and shaped into a mighty spear, then shoved up your arse so incredibly hard it pops out of your mouth
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,668
    I wish SKS fans would explain this.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 4,974
    The Hon Member for Clacton must be enjoying this. If Labour implode before the Tories sort themselves out, he has to stand the best chance of benefiting.

    I was just thinking a few hours ago how quickly the nonpolitical have turned on Sir Keir. The Facebook memes have started very quickly - the "sausages" think has had some major cut through, and the Absolute Radio football preview at around 2pm took the piss over that and the hospitality he's taken.

    But we know how difficult it is for a Labour leader to be unseated...
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,709

    PB is really having a meltdown tonight..🥴 2 months of grifting is hardly balancing with 14 years of corruption and incompetence..🧐😏

    I'm sure BJO will be along soon to say it's far worse.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,578

    PB is really having a meltdown tonight..🥴 2 months of grifting is hardly balancing with 14 years of corruption and incompetence..🧐😏

    Just as Tories bemoaning Labour triumphalism on the day of and days after a General Election needed to accept such was not unreasonable, so too would Labour need to accept Tories celebrating a bad story for Labour not being unreasonable.

    Longer term impacts? Sure, harder to guess at and probably less than people think, but it has been a rough few weeks for the government.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,496
    The trouble for Labour is that Starmer IS all the things Duffield accuses him of being. A clueless greedy vain hypocritical careerist, with no political experience, and no redeeming features now his "dutiful service" shtick has been shot to pieces

    He is shite. How do you fix that?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,330
    Leon said:

    She's not exactly..... holding back, is she?


    “The sleaze, the nepotism and the apparent avarice are off the scale. I am so ashamed of what you and your inner circle has done to tarnish and humiliate our once proud party”

    Canterbury MP Rosie Duffield quits Labour

    https://x.com/thetimes/status/1840062944979366360

    It's what you might expect after being in power a decade. Not three months

    Didn't check the letter properly. Huge grammatical error there in your quote, if that wording is correct. The error would make me wonder how considered the letter was.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,709
    Leon said:

    The trouble for Labour is that Starmer IS all the things Duffield accuses him of being. A clueless greedy vain hypocritical careerist, with no political experience, and no redeeming features now his "dutiful service" shtick has been shot to pieces

    He is shite. How do you fix that?

    You could have not voted for him to start with?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,864
    ydoethur said:

    kle4 said:

    Canterbury made history when its voters elected their first woman, and only non-Conservative, MP since the seat was created in the thirteenth century.

    Blimey, I had no idea the Conservative Party had such deep roots. Natural party of government indeed.

    Since the Conservative Party didn't exist until at least 1679 the second part can't be true.
    Thomas Hardres was MP for Canterbury from 1664 to 1679
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Hardres.

    Its first party political MP was Whig John Baker in 1796 with its first Tory MP elected in 1797, Sir John Honeywood
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canterbury_(UK_Parliament_constituency)#:~:text=Canterbury is a constituency in,since September 2024 an Independent.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,668

    ICYMI, I changed my avatar yesterday :sunglasses:

    Keep Calmer, and use the Elizabeth Line
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,578
    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    She's not exactly..... holding back, is she?


    “The sleaze, the nepotism and the apparent avarice are off the scale. I am so ashamed of what you and your inner circle has done to tarnish and humiliate our once proud party”

    Canterbury MP Rosie Duffield quits Labour

    https://x.com/thetimes/status/1840062944979366360

    It's what you might expect after being in power a decade. Not three months

    Didn't check the letter properly. Huge grammatical error there in your quote, if that wording is correct. The error would make me wonder how considered the letter was.
    Huge grammatical errors are not uncommon even in very considered letters, I have little doubt. Standards slipping and all that.
  • ydoethur said:

    kle4 said:

    Canterbury made history when its voters elected their first woman, and only non-Conservative, MP since the seat was created in the thirteenth century.

    Blimey, I had no idea the Conservative Party had such deep roots. Natural party of government indeed.

    Since the Conservative Party didn't exist until at least 1679 the second part can't be true.
    from Wiki page on "Conservative Party (United Kingdom)

    Origins
    Some writers trace the party's origins to the Tory Party, which it soon replaced. Other historians point to a faction, rooted in the 18th century Whig Party, that coalesced around William Pitt the Younger in the 1780s. They were known as "Independent Whigs", "Friends of Mr Pitt", or "Pittites" and never used terms such as "Tory" or "Conservative". From about 1812, the name "Tory" was commonly used for a new party that, according to historian Robert Blake, "are the ancestors of Conservatism". Blake adds that Pitt's successors after 1812 "were not in any sense standard-bearers of 'true Toryism'".

    The term Tory was an insult that entered English politics during the Exclusion Bill crisis of 1678–1681, which derived from the Middle Irish word tóraidhe (modern Irish: tóraí) meaning outlaw or robber, which in turn derived from the Irish word tóir, meaning pursuit, since outlaws were "pursued men".

    The term "Conservative" was suggested as a title for the party in an article by J. Wilson Croker published in the Quarterly Review in 1830.[48] The name immediately caught on and was formally adopted under the aegis of Robert Peel around 1834. Peel is acknowledged as the founder of the Conservative Party, which he created with the announcement of the Tamworth Manifesto. The term "Conservative Party" rather than Tory was the dominant usage by 1845.

    SSI - believe 2nd para above is the basis for the oft-quoted (and occassionally correct) saying -

    "Crooks are Tories, and Tories are crooks"

    which yours truly first encoutered in one of George MacDonald Fraser's "McAuslan" short stories.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,972
    Leon said:

    That is the most savage resignation letter I have ever seen. I do not believe this is because she is so suddenly shocked by griftgate and The free-frockalypse. However she has cannily used those to great effect - "shameful avarice"

    There must now be a decent chance Starmer goes. Not a big chance, but no longer vanishingly small

    Popcorn!

    Sadly there’s an awful lot of Labour MPs to cross the floor before their majority is in jeopardy.

    That said, the first job of the new Tory leader is to appoint a chief whip who can go and pick off Labour MPs one at a time, who disagree with the news agenda of the week.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,496
    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    kle4 said:

    Bit early for an MP defection really, as Leon notes it's more of an 'in power for 10 years' thing, but an atypical individual situation. Kind of feels like she would have done it before, but needed to get re-elected first. I'm sure her views are sincere, but has that much changed about the party since taking power?

    As kyf_100 suggests, doesn't seem like she'd be a good fit for Cotbyn and the Gaza Bros. Long term independent I reckon.

    But it comes at the worst possible moment for Starmer, when he is rocked daily by the grift allegations

    It feels relentless, and again I wonder if it is in some way co-ordinated to destabilise him, and ultimately remove him
    Truss was gift to Labour

    Rosie gift to all Labour’s opponents
    You need some perspective.

    Rosie Duffield, a nondescript backbench MP most of the public couldn't pick out or the Prime Minister who spooked the markets and lost to a lettuce?
    We will see but you cannot deny this is a gift to Labour’s opponents
    @TheScreamingEagles would be correct if otherwise all was calm in the Labour camp

    But it is not. This is like another hefty punch to a man already on the ropes with one eye badly cut
    No, it would have been more destabilising if she had resigned a week ago or even last Tuesday/Wednesday as it would have dominated the Labour Party conference.

    The next fortnight is going to be dominated by the Tory conference then voting in the leadership contest.
    Equally, you could argue that this is great timing for the Tories. Labour might have been hoping to point and laugh at the feeble candidates, now they will be consumed by this. Meanwhile at their conference the Tories will have a real pep. The government is imploding so fast the Tories really will have a chance of winning next time, despite the huge Labour majority

    Delicious. THAT letter is why we all love politics!
    Nah, timing is everything.

    Just imagine if she had quit the morning of Starmer's speech or on budget day.
    Speaking of timing, Mr Eagles, is it time to revise your view that the unfortunate Anne Coke had a worse honeymoon than Starmer?
    Starmer should be giving thanks for the actual existence of PM Liz Truss

    Because, if it wasn't for her, we would absolutely be calling this the worst start to a government/premiership in modern history. This is far worse than May, Brown or Boris. This is extraordinary
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,668

    PB is really having a meltdown tonight..🥴 2 months of grifting is hardly balancing with 14 years of corruption and incompetence..🧐😏

    Yeah, but that's just a slogan, isn't it?

    Previous administration was in for X years of very bad thing 1 and very bad thing 2.

    It's simply not true. The previous Conservative administration got plenty of things right, and only really jumped the shark from mid 2020 to late 2022.

    That was enough, though.
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 4,951

    PB is really having a meltdown tonight..🥴 2 months of grifting is hardly balancing with 14 years of corruption and incompetence..🧐😏

    I'm inclined to agree with this. We are at the Bernie Ecclestone level of scandal - which came along six months into Blair's reign. Starmer will be with us a few years more at least. PB Tories should remember it's a marathon, not a sprint.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,496
    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    That is the most savage resignation letter I have ever seen. I do not believe this is because she is so suddenly shocked by griftgate and The free-frockalypse. However she has cannily used those to great effect - "shameful avarice"

    There must now be a decent chance Starmer goes. Not a big chance, but no longer vanishingly small

    Popcorn!

    Sadly there’s an awful lot of Labour MPs to cross the floor before their majority is in jeopardy.

    That said, the first job of the new Tory leader is to appoint a chief whip who can go and pick off Labour MPs one at a time, who disagree with the news agenda of the week.
    Oh, sure - I expect Labour to crawl towards the end of this first term, the majority is too big. And then I expect them to lose
  • ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    kle4 said:

    Bit early for an MP defection really, as Leon notes it's more of an 'in power for 10 years' thing, but an atypical individual situation. Kind of feels like she would have done it before, but needed to get re-elected first. I'm sure her views are sincere, but has that much changed about the party since taking power?

    As kyf_100 suggests, doesn't seem like she'd be a good fit for Cotbyn and the Gaza Bros. Long term independent I reckon.

    But it comes at the worst possible moment for Starmer, when he is rocked daily by the grift allegations

    It feels relentless, and again I wonder if it is in some way co-ordinated to destabilise him, and ultimately remove him
    Truss was gift to Labour

    Rosie gift to all Labour’s opponents
    You need some perspective.

    Rosie Duffield, a nondescript backbench MP most of the public couldn't pick out or the Prime Minister who spooked the markets and lost to a lettuce?
    We will see but you cannot deny this is a gift to Labour’s opponents
    @TheScreamingEagles would be correct if otherwise all was calm in the Labour camp

    But it is not. This is like another hefty punch to a man already on the ropes with one eye badly cut
    No, it would have been more destabilising if she had resigned a week ago or even last Tuesday/Wednesday as it would have dominated the Labour Party conference.

    The next fortnight is going to be dominated by the Tory conference then voting in the leadership contest.
    Equally, you could argue that this is great timing for the Tories. Labour might have been hoping to point and laugh at the feeble candidates, now they will be consumed by this. Meanwhile at their conference the Tories will have a real pep. The government is imploding so fast the Tories really will have a chance of winning next time, despite the huge Labour majority

    Delicious. THAT letter is why we all love politics!
    Nah, timing is everything.

    Just imagine if she had quit the morning of Starmer's speech or on budget day.
    Speaking of timing, Mr Eagles, is it time to revise your view that the unfortunate Anne Coke had a worse honeymoon than Starmer?
    Anne Coke still wins the worst honeymoon ever.

    That said she was married to her husband for fifty-four years so perhaps it is a good omen for Starmer.
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