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  • Roger said:

    Roger said:

    Unfortunately for Downing Street, exactly 37 minutes after their line was published Guido went to pixel with evidence that Starmer paid tribute to the Queen on the day of her death from the very same ‘one-off’ penthouse. Gone were the family photos – replaced with some dark urns and books including an Obama biography…

    This is going to become untenable for Keir Starmer. The revelations about Lord Alli’s apartment have only just started…

    https://order-order.com/2024/09/26/downing-streets-fake-covid-home-defence-proven-wrong-within-30-minutes/

    Cavaet emptor....recent record on scalps is very poor, and he was giving the big 'un during the GE about a scandal that was nothing.

    It's what you do. It's called FILM MAKING. You don't let a film crew into your house unless you are demented. Houses are not designed to shoot in so you recreate them. I really cant believe the morons they're letting onto this site anymore.. I know Livermore hasn't got a brain but I thought you would be more clued up.
    Huh, are you having a problem reading. My comment is buyer beware, have heard it all before, not convinced at all. However, this is a political betting website, its sort of relevant that somebody is claiming they have big dirt coming.
    Then why repeat such an absurd story? You wouldn't shoot anything in someones house. You either use a studio with a set designer with a brief 'recreate Starmer's home' or you get a location finder to find somewhere that would be suitable.In other words you build the set on location.

    Typically it would be several times the size of someone's house to acomodate a crew of abut 12 and equipment that would take up more space than the crew.

    You expect this ignorance from Guido and his super-dim readers but not on PB.
    You protest too much
  • pm215pm215 Posts: 1,153
    pm215 said:

    Foxy said:

    eek said:

    You must despair of good governance if you live in Scotland.

    On the other hand you could point the Scots at Wales and emphasis how there is no real opposition there unlike Scotland which has Labour and the SNP...
    The contemporary problem is that all governments are disliked, SNP, Labour, Tory, Macron, Biden, Trumpist, Treudeau etc. It's very hard to find a popular government in any democratic country in the world, and not much evidence that undemocratic countries governments are popular either.

    It seems to be less about who is in charge than that people have far higher expectations than can be delivered. There's very little optimism, positivity or vision about anywhere in the world.
    Also I think voters really don't like governments who presided over economic upheavals, regardless of how much blame might fairly be attributed to the politicians. Being in power during the post covid inflation period is not good for your popularity, just as being in power during the global financial crisis and its aftermath was not good for popularity. The voters don't give much credit for handling it comparatively well versus badly, I think. (e.g. I think Biden could reasonably claim to have brought the US out of the inflation period in better shape than many other economies, but if the Dems do pull out a victory in November next year it won't be on the back of positive economic sentiment.)
    November *this* year, I mean. I have no opinion on the outcome of the New Jersey and Virginia gubernatorial elections...
  • eekeek Posts: 28,585
    edited September 26
    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    Unfortunately for Downing Street, exactly 37 minutes after their line was published Guido went to pixel with evidence that Starmer paid tribute to the Queen on the day of her death from the very same ‘one-off’ penthouse. Gone were the family photos – replaced with some dark urns and books including an Obama biography…

    This is going to become untenable for Keir Starmer. The revelations about Lord Alli’s apartment have only just started…

    https://order-order.com/2024/09/26/downing-streets-fake-covid-home-defence-proven-wrong-within-30-minutes/

    Cavaet emptor....recent record on scalps is very poor, and he was giving the big 'un during the GE about a scandal that was nothing.

    It's what you do. It's called FILM MAKING. You don't let a film crew into your house unless you are demented. Houses are not designed to shoot in so you recreate them. I really cant believe the morons they're letting onto this site anymore.. I know Livermore hasn't got a brain but I thought you would be more clued up.
    Huh, are you having a problem reading. My comment is buyer beware, have heard it all before, not convinced at all. However, this is a political betting website, its sort of relevant that somebody is claiming they have big dirt coming.
    Then why repeat such an absurd story? You wouldn't shoot anything in someones house. You either use a studio with a set designer with a brief 'recreate Starmer's home' or you get a location finder to find somewhere that would be suitable.In other words you build the set on location.

    Typically it would be several times the size of someone's house to acomodate a crew of abut 12 and equipment that would take up more space than the crew.

    You expect this ignorance from Guido and his super-dim readers but not on PB.
    I look at this story as SKS going - I need to film something that needs to look like home, let's ask someone who works in TV(Lord Alli) for their advice.

    And Lord Alli going - I know the perfect place and it won't require any real work as it's big enough for a camera crew...

    It's so much a none story that I can't see the fuss - the one thing it shows me is that 24 hour news channels with their desperation for cheap easy to report "news" is not a good idea..
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,082

    Mr. F, and yet, somehow still less stupid than the greatest smith in Middle-Earth needing to be taught what an alloy is.

    The biggest problem is that the series was obviously written, in part, by people who had read everything Tolkien wrote and.... listened. If that is the right word.

    Then a bunch of other writers came in and put bad soap opera on top.

    So we get Sauron considering repentance. But ending up doing evil, again, because his repentance isn't truly in his soul. Straight out of Tolkien. The origin of orcs and their moral value. etc

    Also, Peter Jackson described how, when making the films, he would get random and utterly insane "suggestions" from the studio execs. Which he binned. The tenor of those suggestions matches what is wrong with the series.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,046
    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    Unfortunately for Downing Street, exactly 37 minutes after their line was published Guido went to pixel with evidence that Starmer paid tribute to the Queen on the day of her death from the very same ‘one-off’ penthouse. Gone were the family photos – replaced with some dark urns and books including an Obama biography…

    This is going to become untenable for Keir Starmer. The revelations about Lord Alli’s apartment have only just started…

    https://order-order.com/2024/09/26/downing-streets-fake-covid-home-defence-proven-wrong-within-30-minutes/

    Cavaet emptor....recent record on scalps is very poor, and he was giving the big 'un during the GE about a scandal that was nothing.

    It's what you do. It's called FILM MAKING. You don't let a film crew into your house unless you are demented. Houses are not designed to shoot in so you recreate them. I really cant believe the morons they're letting onto this site anymore.. I know Livermore hasn't got a brain but I thought you would be more clued up.
    Huh, are you having a problem reading. My comment is buyer beware, have heard it all before, not convinced at all. However, this is a political betting website, its sort of relevant that somebody is claiming they have big dirt coming.
    Then why repeat such an absurd story? You wouldn't shoot anything in someones house. You either use a studio with a set designer with a brief 'recreate Starmer's home' or you get a location finder to find somewhere that would be suitable.In other words you build the set on location.

    Typically it would be several times the size of someone's house to acomodate a crew of abut 12 and equipment that would take up more space than the crew.

    You expect this ignorance from Guido and his super-dim readers but not on PB.
    I believe the famous "Maitlis Interview" was shot in the interviewee's house.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,885

    TimS said:

    Taz said:

    Prisoners will earn points to cut jail time in Texas-style reform

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/prisoners-points-reduce-jail-time-texas-3d2zzj0sr

    I have to say, the US wouldn't the first place I would be looking at for prison reform ideas, but maybe they have good ideas.

    Perhaps we can give all prisoners the equivalent of a Nectar card for their stay and they can earn points and redeem them for some luxuries.
    And perhaps we could learn lessons from, you know, European countries that have functioning prison systems, lower prison populations, lower crime rates and much lower reoffending rates rather than…er…Texas state penitentiaries.
    Always pointing in Sweden seems to have gone out of fashion these days among lefties.....
    Interestingly on Sweden, the people who constantly harped on about Scandinavian models as their inspiraction were Cameron and Osborne, and iirc Val Policella when talking about education.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,522

    Mr. F, and yet, somehow still less stupid than the greatest smith in Middle-Earth needing to be taught what an alloy is.

    You can read much better fanfiction, written by amateurs, than so much stuff that’s written by so-called professionals, these days.

    The standard of writing for the last two Seasons of Game of Thrones simply fell off a cliff.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,980
    Less than three months in, and the government already has a left-wing awkward squad emboldened by their large majority.

    Is there a market on how many Labour MPs will lose the whip in this Parliament?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,864
    Putin to consider allowing use of nuclear weapons if a conventional missile attack against Moscow by a non nuclear power backed by a nuclear power

    "Putin proposes new rules for Russia using nuclear weapons - BBC News" https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5yjej0rvw0o
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,046
    eek said:

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    Unfortunately for Downing Street, exactly 37 minutes after their line was published Guido went to pixel with evidence that Starmer paid tribute to the Queen on the day of her death from the very same ‘one-off’ penthouse. Gone were the family photos – replaced with some dark urns and books including an Obama biography…

    This is going to become untenable for Keir Starmer. The revelations about Lord Alli’s apartment have only just started…

    https://order-order.com/2024/09/26/downing-streets-fake-covid-home-defence-proven-wrong-within-30-minutes/

    Cavaet emptor....recent record on scalps is very poor, and he was giving the big 'un during the GE about a scandal that was nothing.

    It's what you do. It's called FILM MAKING. You don't let a film crew into your house unless you are demented. Houses are not designed to shoot in so you recreate them. I really cant believe the morons they're letting onto this site anymore.. I know Livermore hasn't got a brain but I thought you would be more clued up.
    Huh, are you having a problem reading. My comment is buyer beware, have heard it all before, not convinced at all. However, this is a political betting website, its sort of relevant that somebody is claiming they have big dirt coming.
    Then why repeat such an absurd story? You wouldn't shoot anything in someones house. You either use a studio with a set designer with a brief 'recreate Starmer's home' or you get a location finder to find somewhere that would be suitable.In other words you build the set on location.

    Typically it would be several times the size of someone's house to acomodate a crew of abut 12 and equipment that would take up more space than the crew.

    You expect this ignorance from Guido and his super-dim readers but not on PB.
    I look at this story as SKS going - I need to film something that needs to look like home, let's ask someone who works in TV(Lord Alli) for their advice.

    And Lord Alli going - I know the perfect place and it won't require any real work as it's big enough for a camera crew...
    And the rest of the world going: that just sounds weird.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,506
    edited September 26
    eek said:

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    Unfortunately for Downing Street, exactly 37 minutes after their line was published Guido went to pixel with evidence that Starmer paid tribute to the Queen on the day of her death from the very same ‘one-off’ penthouse. Gone were the family photos – replaced with some dark urns and books including an Obama biography…

    This is going to become untenable for Keir Starmer. The revelations about Lord Alli’s apartment have only just started…

    https://order-order.com/2024/09/26/downing-streets-fake-covid-home-defence-proven-wrong-within-30-minutes/

    Cavaet emptor....recent record on scalps is very poor, and he was giving the big 'un during the GE about a scandal that was nothing.

    It's what you do. It's called FILM MAKING. You don't let a film crew into your house unless you are demented. Houses are not designed to shoot in so you recreate them. I really cant believe the morons they're letting onto this site anymore.. I know Livermore hasn't got a brain but I thought you would be more clued up.
    Huh, are you having a problem reading. My comment is buyer beware, have heard it all before, not convinced at all. However, this is a political betting website, its sort of relevant that somebody is claiming they have big dirt coming.
    Then why repeat such an absurd story? You wouldn't shoot anything in someones house. You either use a studio with a set designer with a brief 'recreate Starmer's home' or you get a location finder to find somewhere that would be suitable.In other words you build the set on location.

    Typically it would be several times the size of someone's house to acomodate a crew of abut 12 and equipment that would take up more space than the crew.

    You expect this ignorance from Guido and his super-dim readers but not on PB.
    I look at this story as SKS going - I need to film something that needs to look like home, let's ask someone who works in TV(Lord Alli) for their advice.

    And Lord Alli going - I know the perfect place and it won't require any real work as it's big enough for a camera crew...
    If they had just briefed that, that would been that part of the story done and dusted in a couple of hours. Instead they lied and caused it to run more.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,767
    Sandpit said:

    Less than three months in, and the government already has a left-wing awkward squad emboldened by their large majority.

    Is there a market on how many Labour MPs will lose the whip in this Parliament?
    Eency weency bit of moral hazard with that

  • eekeek Posts: 28,585
    Sandpit said:

    Cookie said:

    eek said:

    And another OpenAI bod has quit...

    https://x.com/barret_zoph/status/1839095143397515452

    OpenAI CTO Mira Murati, Chief Research Officer Bob McGrew, and VP Research Barret Zoph

    https://www.outlookbusiness.com/corporate/mira-murati-exits-altman-led-openai-bob-mcgraw-and-barret-zoph-follow-suit

    3 in a day. It can't be the money, apparently median dev salary is $1m a year.

    They are on far more than $1m a year...

    Beyond that it's hard to say what's going on with OpenAi and those people will have knowledge about the situation that no one else has..
    If I was on millions a year, within a year I'd have millions of pounds. So would retire.

    Which I suppose is why I'm not on millions a year.
    In my experience with these tech companies they have two types of people for are in early and stay on, the ones where no money ever is enough, they want the money, the power, etc. Zuckerberg is still very involved in Facebook, doesn't need to be.

    Then the others, who for them it is the interesting work and the money doesn't actually matter that much to them. They know they will never go without a well paid job and so its doing things that are super intellectually stimulating.
    I've worked for a couple of tech startups in the past (*), and it can be absolutely brilliant. Hard work, long hours, but you get to have your fingers in every pie. Writing code, testing, documentation, working in the lab, meeting customers, hiring... it's great fun. As the companies grow and form, the job becomes stale very rapidly.

    An acquaintance only ever works for startups; he is known as a bit of a startup king. He'll join a new company, work with them for a year or two, then get bored and move on. He is in demand and he is very much an all-rounder who is willing to do the 'little' work that many 'geniuses' decry.

    (*) One so new that me and a friend had to drive to the other side of Cambridge to pick up our PCs on our first day, and we had about five phone lines for the entire company...
    I worked for a start-up donkeys years ago where the tech platform needed a special laptop that was supposed ruggedized so it could be taken out into the field. The one arrived with the rest another month or so from delivery.

    The owner excited decided he wanted to test just how good the ruggedization was, specs said will survive a drop from some big height, so he proceeded to gather everybody around and throw it out the second floor window......well, not much dev work was done for the next month.
    We had a manager who pulled out a card from a running machine in order to demonstrate its full redundancy. Just about the only non-redundant part, as it turned out.
    LOL. We’ve all made similar mistakes once. The sensible IT people have only ever done it once.

    The only people pulling drives from running systems should be the salesman on his own demo environment.
    That's the whole point of chaos monkey testing - find out where you are missing redundancy and ensure it's created..

    Thankfully that isn't the massive problem it used to be but I suspect a lot of firms would have a nightmare if the queuing systems of the main clouds went properly down..
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,885
    TOPPING said:

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    Unfortunately for Downing Street, exactly 37 minutes after their line was published Guido went to pixel with evidence that Starmer paid tribute to the Queen on the day of her death from the very same ‘one-off’ penthouse. Gone were the family photos – replaced with some dark urns and books including an Obama biography…

    This is going to become untenable for Keir Starmer. The revelations about Lord Alli’s apartment have only just started…

    https://order-order.com/2024/09/26/downing-streets-fake-covid-home-defence-proven-wrong-within-30-minutes/

    Cavaet emptor....recent record on scalps is very poor, and he was giving the big 'un during the GE about a scandal that was nothing.

    It's what you do. It's called FILM MAKING. You don't let a film crew into your house unless you are demented. Houses are not designed to shoot in so you recreate them. I really cant believe the morons they're letting onto this site anymore.. I know Livermore hasn't got a brain but I thought you would be more clued up.
    Huh, are you having a problem reading. My comment is buyer beware, have heard it all before, not convinced at all. However, this is a political betting website, its sort of relevant that somebody is claiming they have big dirt coming.
    Then why repeat such an absurd story? You wouldn't shoot anything in someones house. You either use a studio with a set designer with a brief 'recreate Starmer's home' or you get a location finder to find somewhere that would be suitable.In other words you build the set on location.

    Typically it would be several times the size of someone's house to acomodate a crew of abut 12 and equipment that would take up more space than the crew.

    You expect this ignorance from Guido and his super-dim readers but not on PB.
    I believe the famous "Maitlis Interview" was shot in the interviewee's house.
    The Prince Andrew one? That was at Buck House I believe.

    Yes, his relative's house .... but :smile: .
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,198
    The Tories really do need to think about how they managed to lose to this mob. How they managed to be even worse, and make them look superficially attractive to many.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,069
    eek said:

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    Unfortunately for Downing Street, exactly 37 minutes after their line was published Guido went to pixel with evidence that Starmer paid tribute to the Queen on the day of her death from the very same ‘one-off’ penthouse. Gone were the family photos – replaced with some dark urns and books including an Obama biography…

    This is going to become untenable for Keir Starmer. The revelations about Lord Alli’s apartment have only just started…

    https://order-order.com/2024/09/26/downing-streets-fake-covid-home-defence-proven-wrong-within-30-minutes/

    Cavaet emptor....recent record on scalps is very poor, and he was giving the big 'un during the GE about a scandal that was nothing.

    It's what you do. It's called FILM MAKING. You don't let a film crew into your house unless you are demented. Houses are not designed to shoot in so you recreate them. I really cant believe the morons they're letting onto this site anymore.. I know Livermore hasn't got a brain but I thought you would be more clued up.
    Huh, are you having a problem reading. My comment is buyer beware, have heard it all before, not convinced at all. However, this is a political betting website, its sort of relevant that somebody is claiming they have big dirt coming.
    Then why repeat such an absurd story? You wouldn't shoot anything in someones house. You either use a studio with a set designer with a brief 'recreate Starmer's home' or you get a location finder to find somewhere that would be suitable.In other words you build the set on location.

    Typically it would be several times the size of someone's house to acomodate a crew of abut 12 and equipment that would take up more space than the crew.

    You expect this ignorance from Guido and his super-dim readers but not on PB.
    I look at this story as SKS going - I need to film something that needs to look like home, let's ask someone who works in TV(Lord Alli) for their advice.

    And Lord Alli going - I know the perfect place and it won't require any real work as it's big enough for a camera crew...

    It's so much a none story that I can't see the fuss - the one thing it shows me is that 24 hour news channels with their desperation for cheap easy to report "news" is not a good idea..
    Of all the stories of 'gifts' that have come out in the past month or so, this one strikes me as the least interesting. This is basically a Labour figure helping with the filming of a Labour PPC.
    Personally that particular Labour PPC made me want to reach into the telly and slap Starmer pretty much more than anything else he's ever said or done. Covid Starmer was Starmer at his absolute worst. But it doesn't smell to me like there was any impropriety in filming it.
    It didn't occur to me at the time that it's not his house, but it's not particularly surprising. He reeks of inauthenticity and insincerity.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,220

    eek said:

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    Unfortunately for Downing Street, exactly 37 minutes after their line was published Guido went to pixel with evidence that Starmer paid tribute to the Queen on the day of her death from the very same ‘one-off’ penthouse. Gone were the family photos – replaced with some dark urns and books including an Obama biography…

    This is going to become untenable for Keir Starmer. The revelations about Lord Alli’s apartment have only just started…

    https://order-order.com/2024/09/26/downing-streets-fake-covid-home-defence-proven-wrong-within-30-minutes/

    Cavaet emptor....recent record on scalps is very poor, and he was giving the big 'un during the GE about a scandal that was nothing.

    It's what you do. It's called FILM MAKING. You don't let a film crew into your house unless you are demented. Houses are not designed to shoot in so you recreate them. I really cant believe the morons they're letting onto this site anymore.. I know Livermore hasn't got a brain but I thought you would be more clued up.
    Huh, are you having a problem reading. My comment is buyer beware, have heard it all before, not convinced at all. However, this is a political betting website, its sort of relevant that somebody is claiming they have big dirt coming.
    Then why repeat such an absurd story? You wouldn't shoot anything in someones house. You either use a studio with a set designer with a brief 'recreate Starmer's home' or you get a location finder to find somewhere that would be suitable.In other words you build the set on location.

    Typically it would be several times the size of someone's house to acomodate a crew of abut 12 and equipment that would take up more space than the crew.

    You expect this ignorance from Guido and his super-dim readers but not on PB.
    I look at this story as SKS going - I need to film something that needs to look like home, let's ask someone who works in TV(Lord Alli) for their advice.

    And Lord Alli going - I know the perfect place and it won't require any real work as it's big enough for a camera crew...
    If they had just briefed that, that would been that part of the story done and dusted in a couple of hours. Instead they lied and caused it to run more.
    As ever, it's the cover up.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,522

    Mr. F, and yet, somehow still less stupid than the greatest smith in Middle-Earth needing to be taught what an alloy is.

    The biggest problem is that the series was obviously written, in part, by people who had read everything Tolkien wrote and.... listened. If that is the right word.

    Then a bunch of other writers came in and put bad soap opera on top.

    So we get Sauron considering repentance. But ending up doing evil, again, because his repentance isn't truly in his soul. Straight out of Tolkien. The origin of orcs and their moral value. etc

    Also, Peter Jackson described how, when making the films, he would get random and utterly insane "suggestions" from the studio execs. Which he binned. The tenor of those suggestions matches what is wrong with the series.
    They seem to think that if it’s fantasy, nothing has to make sense.

    Whereas if you want people to accept magic and the supernatural, you have to make the rest (and peoples’ motivations) believable.

    Old soldier that he was, Tolkien paid a lot of attention to logistics, operations, and tactics, in LOTR.
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,277
    I won’t be able to sleep with worry and anger !

    Starmer did the unthinkable and filmed a video in a donors flat . I mean the horror , this is much worse than Bozo partying whilst grannie was being carted off to the funeral home . It’s much worse than billions of pounds of government contracts for mates .

    This latest media fixation is pathetic .
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,082
    HYUFD said:

    Putin to consider allowing use of nuclear weapons if a conventional missile attack against Moscow by a non nuclear power backed by a nuclear power

    "Putin proposes new rules for Russia using nuclear weapons - BBC News" https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5yjej0rvw0o

    In Herman Kahn's On Thermonuclear War, he points out the stupidity of such declared rules.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,437
    HYUFD said:

    Putin to consider allowing use of nuclear weapons if a conventional missile attack against Moscow by a non nuclear power backed by a nuclear power

    "Putin proposes new rules for Russia using nuclear weapons - BBC News" https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5yjej0rvw0o

    Putin says a lot of shit. If he uses nukes, it's on him.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,173
    biggles said:

    The Tories really do need to think about how they managed to lose to this mob. How they managed to be even worse, and make them look superficially attractive to many.

    By getting less than a quarter of the national vote.
    This mob got barely more than a third.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,668
    Cookie said:

    eek said:

    And another OpenAI bod has quit...

    https://x.com/barret_zoph/status/1839095143397515452

    OpenAI CTO Mira Murati, Chief Research Officer Bob McGrew, and VP Research Barret Zoph

    https://www.outlookbusiness.com/corporate/mira-murati-exits-altman-led-openai-bob-mcgraw-and-barret-zoph-follow-suit

    3 in a day. It can't be the money, apparently median dev salary is $1m a year.

    They are on far more than $1m a year...

    Beyond that it's hard to say what's going on with OpenAi and those people will have knowledge about the situation that no one else has..
    If I was on millions a year, within a year I'd have millions of pounds. So would retire.

    Which I suppose is why I'm not on millions a year.
    They do exist. Friend knows a guy who made partner in Deloitte aged 34 and then retired at 42, no kids, and he now basically plays squash all day.

    The bastard.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,198

    HYUFD said:

    Putin to consider allowing use of nuclear weapons if a conventional missile attack against Moscow by a non nuclear power backed by a nuclear power

    "Putin proposes new rules for Russia using nuclear weapons - BBC News" https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5yjej0rvw0o

    In Herman Kahn's On Thermonuclear War, he points out the stupidity of such declared rules.
    A lot of people, when discussing the Kremlin nuclear posture of the week, forget that we say very little and we definitely don’t commit to no first strike. As you say, not announcing your red lines is how you maximise deterrence. Doing so is silly.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,082
    MattW said:

    TOPPING said:

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    Unfortunately for Downing Street, exactly 37 minutes after their line was published Guido went to pixel with evidence that Starmer paid tribute to the Queen on the day of her death from the very same ‘one-off’ penthouse. Gone were the family photos – replaced with some dark urns and books including an Obama biography…

    This is going to become untenable for Keir Starmer. The revelations about Lord Alli’s apartment have only just started…

    https://order-order.com/2024/09/26/downing-streets-fake-covid-home-defence-proven-wrong-within-30-minutes/

    Cavaet emptor....recent record on scalps is very poor, and he was giving the big 'un during the GE about a scandal that was nothing.

    It's what you do. It's called FILM MAKING. You don't let a film crew into your house unless you are demented. Houses are not designed to shoot in so you recreate them. I really cant believe the morons they're letting onto this site anymore.. I know Livermore hasn't got a brain but I thought you would be more clued up.
    Huh, are you having a problem reading. My comment is buyer beware, have heard it all before, not convinced at all. However, this is a political betting website, its sort of relevant that somebody is claiming they have big dirt coming.
    Then why repeat such an absurd story? You wouldn't shoot anything in someones house. You either use a studio with a set designer with a brief 'recreate Starmer's home' or you get a location finder to find somewhere that would be suitable.In other words you build the set on location.

    Typically it would be several times the size of someone's house to acomodate a crew of abut 12 and equipment that would take up more space than the crew.

    You expect this ignorance from Guido and his super-dim readers but not on PB.
    I believe the famous "Maitlis Interview" was shot in the interviewee's house.
    The Prince Andrew one? That was at Buck House I believe.

    Yes, his relative's house .... but :smile: .
    This assumes a full film crew.

    Helped a friend who was doing some documentary (for teaching) filming at Vaux-le-Vicomte. The actual filming was by a couple of experts from the uni, I was fetching and carrying for them.

    Small rooms, mostly, terrible light. You can't move furniture (much).

    It was remarkable what you can do with a Canon full frame, some good lenses, a tripod/carry rig, one lighting guy....
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,437
    All these problems facing Labour are utterly unforced, and of their own making.

    How will they react when real events come and bash them in the face?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,885

    eek said:

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    Unfortunately for Downing Street, exactly 37 minutes after their line was published Guido went to pixel with evidence that Starmer paid tribute to the Queen on the day of her death from the very same ‘one-off’ penthouse. Gone were the family photos – replaced with some dark urns and books including an Obama biography…

    This is going to become untenable for Keir Starmer. The revelations about Lord Alli’s apartment have only just started…

    https://order-order.com/2024/09/26/downing-streets-fake-covid-home-defence-proven-wrong-within-30-minutes/

    Cavaet emptor....recent record on scalps is very poor, and he was giving the big 'un during the GE about a scandal that was nothing.

    It's what you do. It's called FILM MAKING. You don't let a film crew into your house unless you are demented. Houses are not designed to shoot in so you recreate them. I really cant believe the morons they're letting onto this site anymore.. I know Livermore hasn't got a brain but I thought you would be more clued up.
    Huh, are you having a problem reading. My comment is buyer beware, have heard it all before, not convinced at all. However, this is a political betting website, its sort of relevant that somebody is claiming they have big dirt coming.
    Then why repeat such an absurd story? You wouldn't shoot anything in someones house. You either use a studio with a set designer with a brief 'recreate Starmer's home' or you get a location finder to find somewhere that would be suitable.In other words you build the set on location.

    Typically it would be several times the size of someone's house to acomodate a crew of abut 12 and equipment that would take up more space than the crew.

    You expect this ignorance from Guido and his super-dim readers but not on PB.
    I look at this story as SKS going - I need to film something that needs to look like home, let's ask someone who works in TV(Lord Alli) for their advice.

    And Lord Alli going - I know the perfect place and it won't require any real work as it's big enough for a camera crew...
    If they had just briefed that, that would been that part of the story done and dusted in a couple of hours. Instead they lied and caused it to run more.
    A very good link discussing the Freebies from Lord Santa Alli I posted last night -10 minutes. The take of Campbell and Stewart is that presentation has been mucked up (different Ministers with different excuses), that the media are being given opportunities to denigrate, there is not enough strategic messaging around a focussed vision (cf Cameron's 'Compassionate Conservatism for example), and that policy presentation is not enough and not first.

    A very interesting conversation (10 minutes) on the Rest is Politics podcast, around 'Labour’s freebie fiasco'.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8n_Gh173C8&t=1436s
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,198

    Cookie said:

    eek said:

    And another OpenAI bod has quit...

    https://x.com/barret_zoph/status/1839095143397515452

    OpenAI CTO Mira Murati, Chief Research Officer Bob McGrew, and VP Research Barret Zoph

    https://www.outlookbusiness.com/corporate/mira-murati-exits-altman-led-openai-bob-mcgraw-and-barret-zoph-follow-suit

    3 in a day. It can't be the money, apparently median dev salary is $1m a year.

    They are on far more than $1m a year...

    Beyond that it's hard to say what's going on with OpenAi and those people will have knowledge about the situation that no one else has..
    If I was on millions a year, within a year I'd have millions of pounds. So would retire.

    Which I suppose is why I'm not on millions a year.
    They do exist. Friend knows a guy who made partner in Deloitte aged 34 and then retired at 42, no kids, and he now basically plays squash all day.

    The bastard.
    But does it make him happy?

    Yes. Yes, it probably does….
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,981

    I somehow think she will not be the labour candidate in 2029.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,046
    MattW said:

    TOPPING said:

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    Unfortunately for Downing Street, exactly 37 minutes after their line was published Guido went to pixel with evidence that Starmer paid tribute to the Queen on the day of her death from the very same ‘one-off’ penthouse. Gone were the family photos – replaced with some dark urns and books including an Obama biography…

    This is going to become untenable for Keir Starmer. The revelations about Lord Alli’s apartment have only just started…

    https://order-order.com/2024/09/26/downing-streets-fake-covid-home-defence-proven-wrong-within-30-minutes/

    Cavaet emptor....recent record on scalps is very poor, and he was giving the big 'un during the GE about a scandal that was nothing.

    It's what you do. It's called FILM MAKING. You don't let a film crew into your house unless you are demented. Houses are not designed to shoot in so you recreate them. I really cant believe the morons they're letting onto this site anymore.. I know Livermore hasn't got a brain but I thought you would be more clued up.
    Huh, are you having a problem reading. My comment is buyer beware, have heard it all before, not convinced at all. However, this is a political betting website, its sort of relevant that somebody is claiming they have big dirt coming.
    Then why repeat such an absurd story? You wouldn't shoot anything in someones house. You either use a studio with a set designer with a brief 'recreate Starmer's home' or you get a location finder to find somewhere that would be suitable.In other words you build the set on location.

    Typically it would be several times the size of someone's house to acomodate a crew of abut 12 and equipment that would take up more space than the crew.

    You expect this ignorance from Guido and his super-dim readers but not on PB.
    I believe the famous "Maitlis Interview" was shot in the interviewee's house.
    The Prince Andrew one? That was at Buck House I believe.

    Yes, his relative's house .... but :smile: .
    I believe it's a family affair.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,046
    biggles said:

    The Tories really do need to think about how they managed to lose to this mob. How they managed to be even worse, and make them look superficially attractive to many.

    They didn't look superficially or profoundly attractive to anyone. 17.5% of adults voted for them and they did this mainly because they weren't the Tories. Who had been in power for too long. But yes, the point does stand to an extent, the Cons must be super-useless to get to that position.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,082
    TOPPING said:

    MattW said:

    TOPPING said:

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    Unfortunately for Downing Street, exactly 37 minutes after their line was published Guido went to pixel with evidence that Starmer paid tribute to the Queen on the day of her death from the very same ‘one-off’ penthouse. Gone were the family photos – replaced with some dark urns and books including an Obama biography…

    This is going to become untenable for Keir Starmer. The revelations about Lord Alli’s apartment have only just started…

    https://order-order.com/2024/09/26/downing-streets-fake-covid-home-defence-proven-wrong-within-30-minutes/

    Cavaet emptor....recent record on scalps is very poor, and he was giving the big 'un during the GE about a scandal that was nothing.

    It's what you do. It's called FILM MAKING. You don't let a film crew into your house unless you are demented. Houses are not designed to shoot in so you recreate them. I really cant believe the morons they're letting onto this site anymore.. I know Livermore hasn't got a brain but I thought you would be more clued up.
    Huh, are you having a problem reading. My comment is buyer beware, have heard it all before, not convinced at all. However, this is a political betting website, its sort of relevant that somebody is claiming they have big dirt coming.
    Then why repeat such an absurd story? You wouldn't shoot anything in someones house. You either use a studio with a set designer with a brief 'recreate Starmer's home' or you get a location finder to find somewhere that would be suitable.In other words you build the set on location.

    Typically it would be several times the size of someone's house to acomodate a crew of abut 12 and equipment that would take up more space than the crew.

    You expect this ignorance from Guido and his super-dim readers but not on PB.
    I believe the famous "Maitlis Interview" was shot in the interviewee's house.
    The Prince Andrew one? That was at Buck House I believe.

    Yes, his relative's house .... but :smile: .
    I believe it's a family affair.
    What's the lighting like, in Pizza Express in Windsor? Is there enough space for the crew?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,934
    HYUFD said:

    Putin to consider allowing use of nuclear weapons if a conventional missile attack against Moscow by a non nuclear power backed by a nuclear power

    "Putin proposes new rules for Russia using nuclear weapons - BBC News" https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5yjej0rvw0o

    Sorry, St. Petersburg, you are expendable....
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,437
    One for @Sandpit :

    "Trump says Ukraine is ‘demolished’ and dismisses its defense against Russia’s invasion"

    https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-ukraine-putin-zelenskyy-0f4d539aa73a943474d779716e5fe42a
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,082
    MattW said:

    eek said:

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    Unfortunately for Downing Street, exactly 37 minutes after their line was published Guido went to pixel with evidence that Starmer paid tribute to the Queen on the day of her death from the very same ‘one-off’ penthouse. Gone were the family photos – replaced with some dark urns and books including an Obama biography…

    This is going to become untenable for Keir Starmer. The revelations about Lord Alli’s apartment have only just started…

    https://order-order.com/2024/09/26/downing-streets-fake-covid-home-defence-proven-wrong-within-30-minutes/

    Cavaet emptor....recent record on scalps is very poor, and he was giving the big 'un during the GE about a scandal that was nothing.

    It's what you do. It's called FILM MAKING. You don't let a film crew into your house unless you are demented. Houses are not designed to shoot in so you recreate them. I really cant believe the morons they're letting onto this site anymore.. I know Livermore hasn't got a brain but I thought you would be more clued up.
    Huh, are you having a problem reading. My comment is buyer beware, have heard it all before, not convinced at all. However, this is a political betting website, its sort of relevant that somebody is claiming they have big dirt coming.
    Then why repeat such an absurd story? You wouldn't shoot anything in someones house. You either use a studio with a set designer with a brief 'recreate Starmer's home' or you get a location finder to find somewhere that would be suitable.In other words you build the set on location.

    Typically it would be several times the size of someone's house to acomodate a crew of abut 12 and equipment that would take up more space than the crew.

    You expect this ignorance from Guido and his super-dim readers but not on PB.
    I look at this story as SKS going - I need to film something that needs to look like home, let's ask someone who works in TV(Lord Alli) for their advice.

    And Lord Alli going - I know the perfect place and it won't require any real work as it's big enough for a camera crew...
    If they had just briefed that, that would been that part of the story done and dusted in a couple of hours. Instead they lied and caused it to run more.
    A very good link discussing the Freebies from Lord Santa Alli I posted last night -10 minutes. The take of Campbell and Stewart is that presentation has been mucked up (different Ministers with different excuses), that the media are being given opportunities to denigrate, there is not enough strategic messaging around a focussed vision (cf Cameron's 'Compassionate Conservatism for example), and that policy presentation is not enough and not first.

    A very interesting conversation (10 minutes) on the Rest is Politics podcast, around 'Labour’s freebie fiasco'.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8n_Gh173C8&t=1436s
    Yup.

    Which was the whole point behind message grids. Create a coherent story. Push it to the media. Use it to take up space in the national conversation, pushing the anti stuff into a corner.

    And this can work in the age of social media - given that social media "reporters" often have no money to spend on stories, giving them stories wrapped with a bow works well.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,585

    All these problems facing Labour are utterly unforced, and of their own making.

    How will they react when real events come and bash them in the face?
    Got to agree there - Sue Gray may be solving issues on the civil service / delivery side of things.

    But their need someone to quickly get control of the media / presentation side of things because it's running away from them...
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,981
    moonshine said:

    Taz said:

    Sandpit said:

    Dr. Foxy, a large part of the lack of optimism is that a combination of the financial crisis and pandemic in relatively quick succession has caused widespread economic weakness. This is not the case in the USA, which has substituted low economic growth for high, and made up for it by having a crazy level of political polarisation.

    Also a crazy amount of printed money, which they’ve got away with to some extent thanks to the US$ being seen as a global reserve currency.

    The pound is at a recent high vs the dollar at the moment, and the Chinese are starting to agree with the Saudis to buy some oil priced in Yuan, so the dollar could be about to take something of a devaluation, unprecedented in living memory.
    Does this not depend on whether or not the USD remains the global reserve currency and its fall from this status has been forecast for a while now.

    The US Treasury still seems to be getting its bond auctions away okay at reasonable rates so there is demand at the moment.
    The US yield curve has been utterly manipulated over the last year, in part by the Treasury breaking their own guidelines on the tenor of bonds they issue.

    This month finally, finally saw crossover in the 2yr-10yr split after a near record long period of inversion. That is to say, a 10yr bond now pays a higher yield than a 2yr.

    You’ll know the brown stuff is really about to fly when the 3mth yield falls below the 10yr yield. Early 2025 seems a good bet. The powers that be have kept the entire machine pumped headed into 5th Nov at all cost.
    But will either of the winning candidates do what they need to in order to deal with it and deal with the burgeoning debt.

    Spending like drunken sailors on a night out.

    I have been following the 2yr/10yr inversion as I had seen it discussed on some CNBC videos on Youtube.

    I was not aware of the 3 month/10 yr crossover so will read up on that and the implications of it.

    The corporation I work for is preparing for a recession next year and everything we are doing is based on that. Run down inventories, push out payment terms etc etc.

    Our current daily order intake is abysmal too.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,091

    Cookie said:

    eek said:

    And another OpenAI bod has quit...

    https://x.com/barret_zoph/status/1839095143397515452

    OpenAI CTO Mira Murati, Chief Research Officer Bob McGrew, and VP Research Barret Zoph

    https://www.outlookbusiness.com/corporate/mira-murati-exits-altman-led-openai-bob-mcgraw-and-barret-zoph-follow-suit

    3 in a day. It can't be the money, apparently median dev salary is $1m a year.

    They are on far more than $1m a year...

    Beyond that it's hard to say what's going on with OpenAi and those people will have knowledge about the situation that no one else has..
    If I was on millions a year, within a year I'd have millions of pounds. So would retire.

    Which I suppose is why I'm not on millions a year.
    In my experience with these tech companies they have two types of people for are in early and stay on, the ones where no money ever is enough, they want the money, the power, etc. Zuckerberg is still very involved in Facebook, doesn't need to be.

    Then the others, who for them it is the interesting work and the money doesn't actually matter that much to them. They know they will never go without a well paid job and so its doing things that are super intellectually stimulating.
    I've worked for a couple of tech startups in the past (*), and it can be absolutely brilliant. Hard work, long hours, but you get to have your fingers in every pie. Writing code, testing, documentation, working in the lab, meeting customers, hiring... it's great fun. As the companies grow and form, the job becomes stale very rapidly.

    An acquaintance only ever works for startups; he is known as a bit of a startup king. He'll join a new company, work with them for a year or two, then get bored and move on. He is in demand and he is very much an all-rounder who is willing to do the 'little' work that many 'geniuses' decry.

    (*) One so new that me and a friend had to drive to the other side of Cambridge to pick up our PCs on our first day, and we had about five phone lines for the entire company...
    I worked for a start-up donkeys years ago where the tech platform needed a special laptop that was supposed ruggedized so it could be taken out into the field. The one arrived with the rest another month or so from delivery.

    The owner excited decided he wanted to test just how good the ruggedization was, specs said will survive a drop from some big height, so he proceeded to gather everybody around and throw it out the second floor window......well, not much dev work was done for the next month.
    Better to find that out before any work started, though.

    Good morning, everyone.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,082
    eek said:

    All these problems facing Labour are utterly unforced, and of their own making.

    How will they react when real events come and bash them in the face?
    Got to agree there - Sue Gray may be solving issues on the civil service / delivery side of things.

    But their need someone to quickly get control of the media / presentation side of things because it's running away from them...
    I'm not sure that one person can dictate their way to a reform of the Civil Service. They are more likely to generate a tidal wave of hostility in the system. Which is what we have seen.

    You need a broader and deeper change.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,885
    edited September 26

    Mr. F, and yet, somehow still less stupid than the greatest smith in Middle-Earth needing to be taught what an alloy is.

    The biggest problem is that the series was obviously written, in part, by people who had read everything Tolkien wrote and.... listened. If that is the right word.

    Then a bunch of other writers came in and put bad soap opera on top.

    So we get Sauron considering repentance. But ending up doing evil, again, because his repentance isn't truly in his soul. Straight out of Tolkien. The origin of orcs and their moral value. etc
    How was this framed, and at what point in the story? It sounds like Gollum's conversation with himself whilst Frodo and Sam were asleep.

    In more obscure Tolkien, he did repent. And then unrepented.

    I'm not even sure if it's in the Silmarillion. Real rabbithole stuff.

    Sauron never truly repented, and those few who may have believed him would do well to remember just how long and easily he enacted methods of deception. It is said in *Of The Rings of Power and the Third Age* that Sauron did the bare minimum to avoid punishment after the War of Wrath:

    “When Thangorodrim was broken and Morgoth overthrown, Sauron put on his fair hue again and did obeisance to Eonwe, the herald of Manwe, and abjured all his evil deeds. And some hold that this was not at first falsely done, but that Sauron in truth repented, if only out of fear, being dismayed by the fall of Morgoth and the great wrath of the Lords of the West.”

    That isn’t Sauron becoming good, that’s Sauron quailing before the might of the mightiest army ever to set foot in Middle-earth, saying whatever he had to say, however he had to say it.

    The text goes on to say that Eonwe, not having the power to forgive one of his own order, tells him to head west to be judged by the Valar, and that Sauron immediately flees east. Again, that isn’t him becoming good at all; remember that he’s called the Deceiver by Amandil for a reason. Sauron says whatever he has to in order to further his own wants. And that is all he did; his words and hue were fair, but his actions were always entirely self-serving from the very moment he escaped the consequences of his actions.

    https://tolkienlegendarium.quora.com/Why-does-Sauron-become-evil-again-after-repenting-for-a-while-when-Morgoth-fell-Whats-his-endgame-He-was-at-the-begin

  • eekeek Posts: 28,585

    Cookie said:

    eek said:

    And another OpenAI bod has quit...

    https://x.com/barret_zoph/status/1839095143397515452

    OpenAI CTO Mira Murati, Chief Research Officer Bob McGrew, and VP Research Barret Zoph

    https://www.outlookbusiness.com/corporate/mira-murati-exits-altman-led-openai-bob-mcgraw-and-barret-zoph-follow-suit

    3 in a day. It can't be the money, apparently median dev salary is $1m a year.

    They are on far more than $1m a year...

    Beyond that it's hard to say what's going on with OpenAi and those people will have knowledge about the situation that no one else has..
    If I was on millions a year, within a year I'd have millions of pounds. So would retire.

    Which I suppose is why I'm not on millions a year.
    They do exist. Friend knows a guy who made partner in Deloitte aged 34 and then retired at 42, no kids, and he now basically plays squash all day.

    The bastard.
    I know that were I not married with Children I would be happily retired. Instead I rather enjoy periods of time off between contracts (really should start looking for one to cover at least the winter).
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 8,832

    Cookie said:

    eek said:

    And another OpenAI bod has quit...

    https://x.com/barret_zoph/status/1839095143397515452

    OpenAI CTO Mira Murati, Chief Research Officer Bob McGrew, and VP Research Barret Zoph

    https://www.outlookbusiness.com/corporate/mira-murati-exits-altman-led-openai-bob-mcgraw-and-barret-zoph-follow-suit

    3 in a day. It can't be the money, apparently median dev salary is $1m a year.

    They are on far more than $1m a year...

    Beyond that it's hard to say what's going on with OpenAi and those people will have knowledge about the situation that no one else has..
    If I was on millions a year, within a year I'd have millions of pounds. So would retire.

    Which I suppose is why I'm not on millions a year.
    In my experience with these tech companies they have two types of people for are in early and stay on, the ones where no money ever is enough, they want the money, the power, etc. Zuckerberg is still very involved in Facebook, doesn't need to be.

    Then the others, who for them it is the interesting work and the money doesn't actually matter that much to them. They know they will never go without a well paid job and so its doing things that are super intellectually stimulating.
    I work on a different level (of course - poorly paid academic :cry:) but I - and several others I know - will work on interesting projects for free, that is we squeeze them into our work time but don't actually have a budget for it. Sometimes they're little things that then lead on to grant applications in their own right and they also help with networking and getting on to other projects, but the main motivation is that this is an interesting thing (and needs doing). I've got a couple of at the moment, both of which may lead on to grant applications, but it's more that they don't need a great deal of my time and I can see the interest and importance more than with some of my funded grants.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,858
    WRT Scotland, once it is firmed up in the voters' minds that Scottish independence is not going to happen so far as can be seen ahead - there just isn't the consistent 55-60% support for it in polling which would place it on a serious agenda - then Scottish voting becomes more an issue of competence to govern.

    If Labour continue to do sub-optimally in that department, then (see the polling in the article) the formula which is not spectacularly unpopular + is really a bit different + hasn't been tried and failed yet, is our old friend Kate Forbes as leader of SNP. Prediction: the SNP will get there in the end, and the result will be interesting.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,069
    Sean_F said:

    Mr. F, and yet, somehow still less stupid than the greatest smith in Middle-Earth needing to be taught what an alloy is.

    The biggest problem is that the series was obviously written, in part, by people who had read everything Tolkien wrote and.... listened. If that is the right word.

    Then a bunch of other writers came in and put bad soap opera on top.

    So we get Sauron considering repentance. But ending up doing evil, again, because his repentance isn't truly in his soul. Straight out of Tolkien. The origin of orcs and their moral value. etc

    Also, Peter Jackson described how, when making the films, he would get random and utterly insane "suggestions" from the studio execs. Which he binned. The tenor of those suggestions matches what is wrong with the series.
    They seem to think that if it’s fantasy, nothing has to make sense.

    Whereas if you want people to accept magic and the supernatural, you have to make the rest (and peoples’ motivations) believable.

    Old soldier that he was, Tolkien paid a lot of attention to logistics, operations, and tactics, in LOTR.
    Yes, people who like fantasy - as opposed to people who produce fantasy, at least at the more half-arsed end of the spectrum - set a very, very high value on internal consistency. Things don't have to obey our rules, but they have to obey some rules. How-the-world-works is at least as much fun as the story itself.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 13,213
    biggles said:

    Cookie said:

    eek said:

    And another OpenAI bod has quit...

    https://x.com/barret_zoph/status/1839095143397515452

    OpenAI CTO Mira Murati, Chief Research Officer Bob McGrew, and VP Research Barret Zoph

    https://www.outlookbusiness.com/corporate/mira-murati-exits-altman-led-openai-bob-mcgraw-and-barret-zoph-follow-suit

    3 in a day. It can't be the money, apparently median dev salary is $1m a year.

    They are on far more than $1m a year...

    Beyond that it's hard to say what's going on with OpenAi and those people will have knowledge about the situation that no one else has..
    If I was on millions a year, within a year I'd have millions of pounds. So would retire.

    Which I suppose is why I'm not on millions a year.
    They do exist. Friend knows a guy who made partner in Deloitte aged 34 and then retired at 42, no kids, and he now basically plays squash all day.

    The bastard.
    But does it make him happy?

    Yes. Yes, it probably does….
    I can't compute how someone working as a big-4 partner for a mere 8 years can accumulate anywhere near enough to retire and play squash all day, unless they have a very well paid spouse. Even with no children. Perhaps they only had a very small mortgage to pay off.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,173

    Cookie said:

    eek said:

    And another OpenAI bod has quit...

    https://x.com/barret_zoph/status/1839095143397515452

    OpenAI CTO Mira Murati, Chief Research Officer Bob McGrew, and VP Research Barret Zoph

    https://www.outlookbusiness.com/corporate/mira-murati-exits-altman-led-openai-bob-mcgraw-and-barret-zoph-follow-suit

    3 in a day. It can't be the money, apparently median dev salary is $1m a year.

    They are on far more than $1m a year...

    Beyond that it's hard to say what's going on with OpenAi and those people will have knowledge about the situation that no one else has..
    If I was on millions a year, within a year I'd have millions of pounds. So would retire.

    Which I suppose is why I'm not on millions a year.
    They do exist. Friend knows a guy who made partner in Deloitte aged 34 and then retired at 42, no kids, and he now basically plays squash all day.

    The bastard.
    Sounds a bit like my BIL.
    Though he plays Masters water polo, on a team which won the World Aquatics Masters Championships 60+ category last year.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,069
    Yeah, that one is rather trickier to bat away and probably rather more consequential.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 13,213
    Hurricane Helene looking quite juicy in the Gulf of Mexico at the moment. One of the hugest hurricanes in years, surface area-wise.

    But the Floridians should escape fairly lightly again as it looks like coming ashore a long way North of Tampa Bay.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,119
    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    eek said:

    You must despair of good governance if you live in Scotland.

    On the other hand you could point the Scots at Wales and emphasis how there is no real opposition there unlike Scotland which has Labour and the SNP...
    The contemporary problem is that all governments are disliked, SNP, Labour, Tory, Macron, Biden, Trumpist, Treudeau etc. It's very hard to find a popular government in any democratic country in the world, and not much evidence that undemocratic countries governments are popular either.

    It seems to be less about who is in charge than that people have far higher expectations than can be delivered. There's very little optimism, positivity or vision about anywhere in the world.
    Meloni in Italy is probably the most popular leader in the western world at the moment. Zelensky is also pretty popular for obvious reasons
    No, she is on -11% net approval too.

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/1454383/approval-rate-of-giorgia-meloni-in-italy/
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,082
    MattW said:

    Mr. F, and yet, somehow still less stupid than the greatest smith in Middle-Earth needing to be taught what an alloy is.

    The biggest problem is that the series was obviously written, in part, by people who had read everything Tolkien wrote and.... listened. If that is the right word.

    Then a bunch of other writers came in and put bad soap opera on top.

    So we get Sauron considering repentance. But ending up doing evil, again, because his repentance isn't truly in his soul. Straight out of Tolkien. The origin of orcs and their moral value. etc
    How was this framed, and at what point in the story? It sounds like Gollum's conversation with himself whilst Frodo and Sam were asleep.

    In more obscure Tolkien, he did repent. And then unrepented.

    I'm even sure if it's in the Silmarillion. Real rabbithole stuff.

    Sauron never truly repented, and those few who may have believed him would do well to remember just how long and easily he enacted methods of deception. It is said in *Of The Rings of Power and the Third Age* that Sauron did the bare minimum to avoid punishment after the War of Wrath:

    “When Thangorodrim was broken and Morgoth overthrown, Sauron put on his fair hue again and did obeisance to Eonwe, the herald of Manwe, and abjured all his evil deeds. And some hold that this was not at first falsely done, but that Sauron in truth repented, if only out of fear, being dismayed by the fall of Morgoth and the great wrath of the Lords of the West.”

    That isn’t Sauron becoming good, that’s Sauron quailing before the might of the mightiest army ever to set foot in Middle-earth, saying whatever he had to say, however he had to say it.

    The text goes on to say that Eonwe, not having the power to forgive one of his own order, tells him to head west to be judged by the Valar, and that Sauron immediately flees east. Again, that isn’t him becoming good at all; remember that he’s called the Deceiver by Amandil for a reason. Sauron says whatever he has to in order to further his own wants. And that is all he did; his words and hue were fair, but his actions were always entirely self-serving from the very moment he escaped the consequences of his actions.

    https://tolkienlegendarium.quora.com/Why-does-Sauron-become-evil-again-after-repenting-for-a-while-when-Morgoth-fell-Whats-his-endgame-He-was-at-the-begin

    In the series, Sauron seems to toy with the idea (in the first season) of not being full on Dark Lord. Except that it is made clear that he would actually go back to Dark Lording, because that's what he likes and rolls with. His motivation is what *he* sees as positive - creating a world perfectly ordered. Ordered exactly as Sauron wants.

    That's in line with what Tolkien wrote, I think.

    There was a line written by Tolkien, about what would have happened if Gandalf had taken the One Ring - He would have made Good evil and hateful, by his methods.

    Or some such.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,980
    TimS said:

    biggles said:

    Cookie said:

    eek said:

    And another OpenAI bod has quit...

    https://x.com/barret_zoph/status/1839095143397515452

    OpenAI CTO Mira Murati, Chief Research Officer Bob McGrew, and VP Research Barret Zoph

    https://www.outlookbusiness.com/corporate/mira-murati-exits-altman-led-openai-bob-mcgraw-and-barret-zoph-follow-suit

    3 in a day. It can't be the money, apparently median dev salary is $1m a year.

    They are on far more than $1m a year...

    Beyond that it's hard to say what's going on with OpenAi and those people will have knowledge about the situation that no one else has..
    If I was on millions a year, within a year I'd have millions of pounds. So would retire.

    Which I suppose is why I'm not on millions a year.
    They do exist. Friend knows a guy who made partner in Deloitte aged 34 and then retired at 42, no kids, and he now basically plays squash all day.

    The bastard.
    But does it make him happy?

    Yes. Yes, it probably does….
    I can't compute how someone working as a big-4 partner for a mere 8 years can accumulate anywhere near enough to retire and play squash all day, unless they have a very well paid spouse. Even with no children. Perhaps they only had a very small mortgage to pay off.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/09/25/pwcs-uk-partner-pay-falls-44000-slowdown/

    Headline “ PwC UK partners suffer £44,000 pay cut. Reduced payday comes as ‘big four’ accounting firms trim costs”

    Second paragraph “Average partner pay sank by 4.9pc from £906,000 to £862,000 in the year to June, as total profits fell 14pc to £1.14bn, the firm announced on Wednesday.”

    Doesn’t take many years of earning £900k to be financially secure for life.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 8,832
    HYUFD said:

    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    Taz said:

    Prisoners will earn points to cut jail time in Texas-style reform

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/prisoners-points-reduce-jail-time-texas-3d2zzj0sr

    I have to say, the US wouldn't the first place I would be looking at for prison reform ideas, but maybe they have good ideas.

    Perhaps we can give all prisoners the equivalent of a Nectar card for their stay and they can earn points and redeem them for some luxuries.
    And perhaps we could learn lessons from, you know, European countries that have functioning prison systems, lower prison populations, lower crime rates and much lower reoffending rates rather than…er…Texas state penitentiaries.
    Always pointing in Sweden seems to have gone out of fashion these days among lefties.....
    To be fair one time a government decided to copy something Swedish it was Gove with his ill fated free schools.

    Almost every other European country would be an improvement on the British prison system, let alone the US one. But our governments live so immersed in the Anglo Saxon world that they will only take case studies from English speaking countries. Witness their obsession with the Australian approach to tax administration.
    At the moment Norway probably has the lowest reconviction rate but some US states like Oregon and North Carolina also have reconviction rates lower than many European nations
    "A systematic review of criminal recidivism rates worldwide: 3-year update - PMC" https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6743246/
    Abstract conclusion, emphasis mine: Although some countries have made efforts to improve reporting, recidivism rates are not comparable between countries. Criminal justice agencies should consider using reporting guidelines described here to update their data. :lol:
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,885

    MattW said:

    Mr. F, and yet, somehow still less stupid than the greatest smith in Middle-Earth needing to be taught what an alloy is.

    The biggest problem is that the series was obviously written, in part, by people who had read everything Tolkien wrote and.... listened. If that is the right word.

    Then a bunch of other writers came in and put bad soap opera on top.

    So we get Sauron considering repentance. But ending up doing evil, again, because his repentance isn't truly in his soul. Straight out of Tolkien. The origin of orcs and their moral value. etc
    How was this framed, and at what point in the story? It sounds like Gollum's conversation with himself whilst Frodo and Sam were asleep.

    In more obscure Tolkien, he did repent. And then unrepented.

    I'm even sure if it's in the Silmarillion. Real rabbithole stuff.

    Sauron never truly repented, and those few who may have believed him would do well to remember just how long and easily he enacted methods of deception. It is said in *Of The Rings of Power and the Third Age* that Sauron did the bare minimum to avoid punishment after the War of Wrath:

    “When Thangorodrim was broken and Morgoth overthrown, Sauron put on his fair hue again and did obeisance to Eonwe, the herald of Manwe, and abjured all his evil deeds. And some hold that this was not at first falsely done, but that Sauron in truth repented, if only out of fear, being dismayed by the fall of Morgoth and the great wrath of the Lords of the West.”

    That isn’t Sauron becoming good, that’s Sauron quailing before the might of the mightiest army ever to set foot in Middle-earth, saying whatever he had to say, however he had to say it.

    The text goes on to say that Eonwe, not having the power to forgive one of his own order, tells him to head west to be judged by the Valar, and that Sauron immediately flees east. Again, that isn’t him becoming good at all; remember that he’s called the Deceiver by Amandil for a reason. Sauron says whatever he has to in order to further his own wants. And that is all he did; his words and hue were fair, but his actions were always entirely self-serving from the very moment he escaped the consequences of his actions.

    https://tolkienlegendarium.quora.com/Why-does-Sauron-become-evil-again-after-repenting-for-a-while-when-Morgoth-fell-Whats-his-endgame-He-was-at-the-begin

    In the series, Sauron seems to toy with the idea (in the first season) of not being full on Dark Lord. Except that it is made clear that he would actually go back to Dark Lording, because that's what he likes and rolls with. His motivation is what *he* sees as positive - creating a world perfectly ordered. Ordered exactly as Sauron wants.

    That's in line with what Tolkien wrote, I think.

    There was a line written by Tolkien, about what would have happened if Gandalf had taken the One Ring - He would have made Good evil and hateful, by his methods.

    Or some such.
    Yes - the conversation with Frodo where Gandalf throws he Ring in the fire to test the existence of the writing.

    There's also Frodo offering it to Galadriel - "You would set up a Queen; all will love me and despair". She sounds cut out for Instagram.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 13,213
    Sandpit said:

    TimS said:

    biggles said:

    Cookie said:

    eek said:

    And another OpenAI bod has quit...

    https://x.com/barret_zoph/status/1839095143397515452

    OpenAI CTO Mira Murati, Chief Research Officer Bob McGrew, and VP Research Barret Zoph

    https://www.outlookbusiness.com/corporate/mira-murati-exits-altman-led-openai-bob-mcgraw-and-barret-zoph-follow-suit

    3 in a day. It can't be the money, apparently median dev salary is $1m a year.

    They are on far more than $1m a year...

    Beyond that it's hard to say what's going on with OpenAi and those people will have knowledge about the situation that no one else has..
    If I was on millions a year, within a year I'd have millions of pounds. So would retire.

    Which I suppose is why I'm not on millions a year.
    They do exist. Friend knows a guy who made partner in Deloitte aged 34 and then retired at 42, no kids, and he now basically plays squash all day.

    The bastard.
    But does it make him happy?

    Yes. Yes, it probably does….
    I can't compute how someone working as a big-4 partner for a mere 8 years can accumulate anywhere near enough to retire and play squash all day, unless they have a very well paid spouse. Even with no children. Perhaps they only had a very small mortgage to pay off.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/09/25/pwcs-uk-partner-pay-falls-44000-slowdown/

    Headline “ PwC UK partners suffer £44,000 pay cut. Reduced payday comes as ‘big four’ accounting firms trim costs”

    Second paragraph “Average partner pay sank by 4.9pc from £906,000 to £862,000 in the year to June, as total profits fell 14pc to £1.14bn, the firm announced on Wednesday.”

    Doesn’t take many years of earning £900k to be financially secure for life.
    The first few years as partner they will be on lockstep and won't be getting anything close to that. Most partners aspire to achieve the average by the end of their career.

    I suppose it also depends on what country and therefore what effective tax rate. If this were a partner in the UAE or somewhere it would be a different story.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,119
    Technically not at present as whip withdrawn, though still a party member.
  • Cookie said:

    eek said:

    And another OpenAI bod has quit...

    https://x.com/barret_zoph/status/1839095143397515452

    OpenAI CTO Mira Murati, Chief Research Officer Bob McGrew, and VP Research Barret Zoph

    https://www.outlookbusiness.com/corporate/mira-murati-exits-altman-led-openai-bob-mcgraw-and-barret-zoph-follow-suit

    3 in a day. It can't be the money, apparently median dev salary is $1m a year.

    They are on far more than $1m a year...

    Beyond that it's hard to say what's going on with OpenAi and those people will have knowledge about the situation that no one else has..
    If I was on millions a year, within a year I'd have millions of pounds. So would retire.

    Which I suppose is why I'm not on millions a year.
    They do exist. Friend knows a guy who made partner in Deloitte aged 34 and then retired at 42, no kids, and he now basically plays squash all day.

    The bastard.
    Is this a good time to mention that I could retire today but have provisionally set my retirement when I hit 50 in 2028?

    I am unlikely to retire then though, more like when I hit 55 to 60.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,082
    Cookie said:

    Sean_F said:

    Mr. F, and yet, somehow still less stupid than the greatest smith in Middle-Earth needing to be taught what an alloy is.

    The biggest problem is that the series was obviously written, in part, by people who had read everything Tolkien wrote and.... listened. If that is the right word.

    Then a bunch of other writers came in and put bad soap opera on top.

    So we get Sauron considering repentance. But ending up doing evil, again, because his repentance isn't truly in his soul. Straight out of Tolkien. The origin of orcs and their moral value. etc

    Also, Peter Jackson described how, when making the films, he would get random and utterly insane "suggestions" from the studio execs. Which he binned. The tenor of those suggestions matches what is wrong with the series.
    They seem to think that if it’s fantasy, nothing has to make sense.

    Whereas if you want people to accept magic and the supernatural, you have to make the rest (and peoples’ motivations) believable.

    Old soldier that he was, Tolkien paid a lot of attention to logistics, operations, and tactics, in LOTR.
    Yes, people who like fantasy - as opposed to people who produce fantasy, at least at the more half-arsed end of the spectrum - set a very, very high value on internal consistency. Things don't have to obey our rules, but they have to obey some rules. How-the-world-works is at least as much fun as the story itself.
    IIRC Tolkien himself write some things on the importance of internal consistency in a story.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,980
    Sandpit said:

    TimS said:

    biggles said:

    Cookie said:

    eek said:

    And another OpenAI bod has quit...

    https://x.com/barret_zoph/status/1839095143397515452

    OpenAI CTO Mira Murati, Chief Research Officer Bob McGrew, and VP Research Barret Zoph

    https://www.outlookbusiness.com/corporate/mira-murati-exits-altman-led-openai-bob-mcgraw-and-barret-zoph-follow-suit

    3 in a day. It can't be the money, apparently median dev salary is $1m a year.

    They are on far more than $1m a year...

    Beyond that it's hard to say what's going on with OpenAi and those people will have knowledge about the situation that no one else has..
    If I was on millions a year, within a year I'd have millions of pounds. So would retire.

    Which I suppose is why I'm not on millions a year.
    They do exist. Friend knows a guy who made partner in Deloitte aged 34 and then retired at 42, no kids, and he now basically plays squash all day.

    The bastard.
    But does it make him happy?

    Yes. Yes, it probably does….
    I can't compute how someone working as a big-4 partner for a mere 8 years can accumulate anywhere near enough to retire and play squash all day, unless they have a very well paid spouse. Even with no children. Perhaps they only had a very small mortgage to pay off.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/09/25/pwcs-uk-partner-pay-falls-44000-slowdown/

    Headline “ PwC UK partners suffer £44,000 pay cut. Reduced payday comes as ‘big four’ accounting firms trim costs”

    Second paragraph “Average partner pay sank by 4.9pc from £906,000 to £862,000 in the year to June, as total profits fell 14pc to £1.14bn, the firm announced on Wednesday.”

    Doesn’t take many years of earning £900k to be financially secure for life.
    Interestingly for @Casino_Royale that article says that demand in the MIddle East is up 26% year on year, driven by expanded construction industry in that region. Perhaps CR should also look to the Big Four, and the banks that finance them?
  • kenObikenObi Posts: 211

    If Starmer's use of the penthouse for his video was all within the rules, wtaf did he pretend he was at home?

    Appearences matter in politics ?

    Who knew.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,864
    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    eek said:

    You must despair of good governance if you live in Scotland.

    On the other hand you could point the Scots at Wales and emphasis how there is no real opposition there unlike Scotland which has Labour and the SNP...
    The contemporary problem is that all governments are disliked, SNP, Labour, Tory, Macron, Biden, Trumpist, Treudeau etc. It's very hard to find a popular government in any democratic country in the world, and not much evidence that undemocratic countries governments are popular either.

    It seems to be less about who is in charge than that people have far higher expectations than can be delivered. There's very little optimism, positivity or vision about anywhere in the world.
    Meloni in Italy is probably the most popular leader in the western world at the moment. Zelensky is also pretty popular for obvious reasons
    No, she is on -11% net approval too.

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/1454383/approval-rate-of-giorgia-meloni-in-italy/
    Starmer and Biden and Macron would kill for her 41% approval rate.

    Currently her party has a comfortable 7% lead in the polls when most incumbents parties are polling behind the opposition now
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_Italian_general_election
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,864
    edited September 26
    algarkirk said:

    WRT Scotland, once it is firmed up in the voters' minds that Scottish independence is not going to happen so far as can be seen ahead - there just isn't the consistent 55-60% support for it in polling which would place it on a serious agenda - then Scottish voting becomes more an issue of competence to govern.

    If Labour continue to do sub-optimally in that department, then (see the polling in the article) the formula which is not spectacularly unpopular + is really a bit different + hasn't been tried and failed yet, is our old friend Kate Forbes as leader of SNP. Prediction: the SNP will get there in the end, and the result will be interesting.

    Forbes would also need Tory confidence and supply to govern on current Holyrood polls. Possible if she rules out indyref2 until an SNP majority as she is more Thatcherite and more of a social conservative than Sarwar certainly
  • TimSTimS Posts: 13,213

    Cookie said:

    eek said:

    And another OpenAI bod has quit...

    https://x.com/barret_zoph/status/1839095143397515452

    OpenAI CTO Mira Murati, Chief Research Officer Bob McGrew, and VP Research Barret Zoph

    https://www.outlookbusiness.com/corporate/mira-murati-exits-altman-led-openai-bob-mcgraw-and-barret-zoph-follow-suit

    3 in a day. It can't be the money, apparently median dev salary is $1m a year.

    They are on far more than $1m a year...

    Beyond that it's hard to say what's going on with OpenAi and those people will have knowledge about the situation that no one else has..
    If I was on millions a year, within a year I'd have millions of pounds. So would retire.

    Which I suppose is why I'm not on millions a year.
    They do exist. Friend knows a guy who made partner in Deloitte aged 34 and then retired at 42, no kids, and he now basically plays squash all day.

    The bastard.
    Is this a good time to mention that I could retire today but have provisionally set my retirement when I hit 50 in 2028?

    I am unlikely to retire then though, more like when I hit 55 to 60.
    These days there's a lot of "retiring" of men in their 50s from a first career, in order to start a second career. And women in their 40s. You need to work out what your second career will be. Even 60 is too early to stop work completely.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,980
    TimS said:

    Sandpit said:

    TimS said:

    biggles said:

    Cookie said:

    eek said:

    And another OpenAI bod has quit...

    https://x.com/barret_zoph/status/1839095143397515452

    OpenAI CTO Mira Murati, Chief Research Officer Bob McGrew, and VP Research Barret Zoph

    https://www.outlookbusiness.com/corporate/mira-murati-exits-altman-led-openai-bob-mcgraw-and-barret-zoph-follow-suit

    3 in a day. It can't be the money, apparently median dev salary is $1m a year.

    They are on far more than $1m a year...

    Beyond that it's hard to say what's going on with OpenAi and those people will have knowledge about the situation that no one else has..
    If I was on millions a year, within a year I'd have millions of pounds. So would retire.

    Which I suppose is why I'm not on millions a year.
    They do exist. Friend knows a guy who made partner in Deloitte aged 34 and then retired at 42, no kids, and he now basically plays squash all day.

    The bastard.
    But does it make him happy?

    Yes. Yes, it probably does….
    I can't compute how someone working as a big-4 partner for a mere 8 years can accumulate anywhere near enough to retire and play squash all day, unless they have a very well paid spouse. Even with no children. Perhaps they only had a very small mortgage to pay off.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/09/25/pwcs-uk-partner-pay-falls-44000-slowdown/

    Headline “ PwC UK partners suffer £44,000 pay cut. Reduced payday comes as ‘big four’ accounting firms trim costs”

    Second paragraph “Average partner pay sank by 4.9pc from £906,000 to £862,000 in the year to June, as total profits fell 14pc to £1.14bn, the firm announced on Wednesday.”

    Doesn’t take many years of earning £900k to be financially secure for life.
    The first few years as partner they will be on lockstep and won't be getting anything close to that. Most partners aspire to achieve the average by the end of their career.

    I suppose it also depends on what country and therefore what effective tax rate. If this were a partner in the UAE or somewhere it would be a different story.
    Good point that in the UK the effective tax rate on that sort of salary is going to be pretty close to 45%, whereas those in the ME and Asia will be taking home a lot more than that, with the US somewhere in the middle.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,522
    MattW said:

    Mr. F, and yet, somehow still less stupid than the greatest smith in Middle-Earth needing to be taught what an alloy is.

    The biggest problem is that the series was obviously written, in part, by people who had read everything Tolkien wrote and.... listened. If that is the right word.

    Then a bunch of other writers came in and put bad soap opera on top.

    So we get Sauron considering repentance. But ending up doing evil, again, because his repentance isn't truly in his soul. Straight out of Tolkien. The origin of orcs and their moral value. etc
    How was this framed, and at what point in the story? It sounds like Gollum's conversation with himself whilst Frodo and Sam were asleep.

    In more obscure Tolkien, he did repent. And then unrepented.

    I'm not even sure if it's in the Silmarillion. Real rabbithole stuff.

    Sauron never truly repented, and those few who may have believed him would do well to remember just how long and easily he enacted methods of deception. It is said in *Of The Rings of Power and the Third Age* that Sauron did the bare minimum to avoid punishment after the War of Wrath:

    “When Thangorodrim was broken and Morgoth overthrown, Sauron put on his fair hue again and did obeisance to Eonwe, the herald of Manwe, and abjured all his evil deeds. And some hold that this was not at first falsely done, but that Sauron in truth repented, if only out of fear, being dismayed by the fall of Morgoth and the great wrath of the Lords of the West.”

    That isn’t Sauron becoming good, that’s Sauron quailing before the might of the mightiest army ever to set foot in Middle-earth, saying whatever he had to say, however he had to say it.

    The text goes on to say that Eonwe, not having the power to forgive one of his own order, tells him to head west to be judged by the Valar, and that Sauron immediately flees east. Again, that isn’t him becoming good at all; remember that he’s called the Deceiver by Amandil for a reason. Sauron says whatever he has to in order to further his own wants. And that is all he did; his words and hue were fair, but his actions were always entirely self-serving from the very moment he escaped the consequences of his actions.

    https://tolkienlegendarium.quora.com/Why-does-Sauron-become-evil-again-after-repenting-for-a-while-when-Morgoth-fell-Whats-his-endgame-He-was-at-the-begin

    I always liked the premise of the first three books of Glen Cook's Black Company series.

    Which is, having to choose between rule by Sauron, and destruction by Morgoth.

    The Dark Lord of the series (in this case a woman), is a brutal conqueror, who runs a police state. The rebels against her are initially presented as the good guys, but are, in reality, catspaws for the Morgoth figure, who simply relishes destruction for its own sake.

    It may be a choice between evils, but in that case, you choose Sauron, who at least wants a functioning society, rather than Morgoth, who wants the world to burn.
  • eek said:

    All these problems facing Labour are utterly unforced, and of their own making.

    How will they react when real events come and bash them in the face?
    Got to agree there - Sue Gray may be solving issues on the civil service / delivery side of things.

    But their need someone to quickly get control of the media / presentation side of things because it's running away from them...
    I'm not sure that one person can dictate their way to a reform of the Civil Service. They are more likely to generate a tidal wave of hostility in the system. Which is what we have seen.

    You need a broader and deeper change.
    Especially if that person is already blamed for throwing civil servants under the Partygate bus.
  • Cookie said:

    eek said:

    And another OpenAI bod has quit...

    https://x.com/barret_zoph/status/1839095143397515452

    OpenAI CTO Mira Murati, Chief Research Officer Bob McGrew, and VP Research Barret Zoph

    https://www.outlookbusiness.com/corporate/mira-murati-exits-altman-led-openai-bob-mcgraw-and-barret-zoph-follow-suit

    3 in a day. It can't be the money, apparently median dev salary is $1m a year.

    They are on far more than $1m a year...

    Beyond that it's hard to say what's going on with OpenAi and those people will have knowledge about the situation that no one else has..
    If I was on millions a year, within a year I'd have millions of pounds. So would retire.

    Which I suppose is why I'm not on millions a year.
    They do exist. Friend knows a guy who made partner in Deloitte aged 34 and then retired at 42, no kids, and he now basically plays squash all day.

    The bastard.
    Is this a good time to mention that I could retire today but have provisionally set my retirement when I hit 50 in 2028?

    I am unlikely to retire then though, more like when I hit 55 to 60.
    Set with whom? Pension funds often work to your retirement date so let them know if you have changed your mind.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,082

    eek said:

    All these problems facing Labour are utterly unforced, and of their own making.

    How will they react when real events come and bash them in the face?
    Got to agree there - Sue Gray may be solving issues on the civil service / delivery side of things.

    But their need someone to quickly get control of the media / presentation side of things because it's running away from them...
    I'm not sure that one person can dictate their way to a reform of the Civil Service. They are more likely to generate a tidal wave of hostility in the system. Which is what we have seen.

    You need a broader and deeper change.
    Especially if that person is already blamed for throwing civil servants under the Partygate bus.
    The civil servants in question, threw themselves under a bus. They did very, very stupid things of their own volition.

    But yes, that's not a good place to start from. Especially since many of their friends are probably still working in an around No.10. Some with.... dented? careers.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,173
    This is actually not a bad idea to test Trump's policy proposals.

    Let's put a 500% tariff on all cheap Trump merchandise that comes from China as a test run, see what it does to prices.
    https://x.com/TheRealThelmaJ1/status/1838969246417588472

    "China will pay..."
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,948
    Mr. F, the Black Company books are great. I'll probably get Port of Shadows for Christmas (I think that's the only one I haven't read).

    And agree entirely on the Morgoth/Sauron difference. Sauron's all about control. Morgoth just wants to bugger everything up.
  • Zarah Sultana is right (although hasn't she had the whip suspended?). It was widely predicted that nepotism and cronyism would be resented by Labour's experienced MPs who hoped their time has come, as well as Labour's new MPs used to running things in their previous jobs and unhappy as lobby fodder.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,561

    Cookie said:

    eek said:

    And another OpenAI bod has quit...

    https://x.com/barret_zoph/status/1839095143397515452

    OpenAI CTO Mira Murati, Chief Research Officer Bob McGrew, and VP Research Barret Zoph

    https://www.outlookbusiness.com/corporate/mira-murati-exits-altman-led-openai-bob-mcgraw-and-barret-zoph-follow-suit

    3 in a day. It can't be the money, apparently median dev salary is $1m a year.

    They are on far more than $1m a year...

    Beyond that it's hard to say what's going on with OpenAi and those people will have knowledge about the situation that no one else has..
    If I was on millions a year, within a year I'd have millions of pounds. So would retire.

    Which I suppose is why I'm not on millions a year.
    They do exist. Friend knows a guy who made partner in Deloitte aged 34 and then retired at 42, no kids, and he now basically plays squash all day.

    The bastard.
    Is this a good time to mention that I could retire today but have provisionally set my retirement when I hit 50 in 2028?

    I am unlikely to retire then though, more like when I hit 55 to 60.
    Playing squash all day sounds really boring. I've recently retired at 74, because private activities started to seem more interesting. So far it's proved a good move, but the changes in lifestyle are quite dramatic, and I'd advise against retiring just because you financially can.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,945
    One of the most shocking articles I've ever read.

    "How Al Fayed built a corrupt system of enablers to carry out his sexual abuse"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp8ejd9l00lo
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,792

    Unfortunately for Downing Street, exactly 37 minutes after their line was published Guido went to pixel with evidence that Starmer paid tribute to the Queen on the day of her death from the very same ‘one-off’ penthouse. Gone were the family photos – replaced with some dark urns and books including an Obama biography…

    This is going to become untenable for Keir Starmer. The revelations about Lord Alli’s apartment have only just started…

    https://order-order.com/2024/09/26/downing-streets-fake-covid-home-defence-proven-wrong-within-30-minutes/

    Cavaet emptor....recent record on scalps is very poor, and he was giving the big 'un during the GE about a scandal that was nothing.

    His recent record?

    Guido is a regulation clown. A sort of below stairs Matty Goodwin without the suit.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,981
    Nigelb said:

    This is actually not a bad idea to test Trump's policy proposals.

    Let's put a 500% tariff on all cheap Trump merchandise that comes from China as a test run, see what it does to prices.
    https://x.com/TheRealThelmaJ1/status/1838969246417588472

    "China will pay..."

    Where has Trump proposed a 500% tariff on Chinese imports ?

    He has proposed 60% certainly and 10% for the ROW.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,173
    edited September 26
    Taz said:

    Nigelb said:

    This is actually not a bad idea to test Trump's policy proposals.

    Let's put a 500% tariff on all cheap Trump merchandise that comes from China as a test run, see what it does to prices.
    https://x.com/TheRealThelmaJ1/status/1838969246417588472

    "China will pay..."

    Where has Trump proposed a 500% tariff on Chinese imports ?

    He has proposed 60% certainly and 10% for the ROW.
    You didn't detect the tongue in cheek ?
    No one is going to do any such thing to Trump.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,082
    Andy_JS said:

    One of the most shocking articles I've ever read.

    "How Al Fayed built a corrupt system of enablers to carry out his sexual abuse"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp8ejd9l00lo

    Much of this was published in Private Eye, years ago.

    Why is this more shocking than the accounts of how Rotherham happened because of institutional coverup and protection of the offenders?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,945
    biggles said:

    The Tories really do need to think about how they managed to lose to this mob. How they managed to be even worse, and make them look superficially attractive to many.

    14 years in government. We're not a one party state.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,012

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    Unfortunately for Downing Street, exactly 37 minutes after their line was published Guido went to pixel with evidence that Starmer paid tribute to the Queen on the day of her death from the very same ‘one-off’ penthouse. Gone were the family photos – replaced with some dark urns and books including an Obama biography…

    This is going to become untenable for Keir Starmer. The revelations about Lord Alli’s apartment have only just started…

    https://order-order.com/2024/09/26/downing-streets-fake-covid-home-defence-proven-wrong-within-30-minutes/

    Cavaet emptor....recent record on scalps is very poor, and he was giving the big 'un during the GE about a scandal that was nothing.

    It's what you do. It's called FILM MAKING. You don't let a film crew into your house unless you are demented. Houses are not designed to shoot in so you recreate them. I really cant believe the morons they're letting onto this site anymore.. I know Livermore hasn't got a brain but I thought you would be more clued up.
    Huh, are you having a problem reading. My comment is buyer beware, have heard it all before, not convinced at all. However, this is a political betting website, its sort of relevant that somebody is claiming they have big dirt coming.
    Then why repeat such an absurd story? You wouldn't shoot anything in someones house. You either use a studio with a set designer with a brief 'recreate Starmer's home' or you get a location finder to find somewhere that would be suitable.In other words you build the set on location.

    Typically it would be several times the size of someone's house to acomodate a crew of abut 12 and equipment that would take up more space than the crew.

    You expect this ignorance from Guido and his super-dim readers but not on PB.
    Its a good job Downing Street didn't lie about its usage then... They told the Guardian "it was a ‘one-off’ use of the place.

    They are getting themselves in a mess.
    And the only period that has been declared for expenses purposes is the period almost covered by the exams. Surely, if SKS was complying with the Covid regulations that had to be his "home" at the time. Or his place of work, perhaps, if his journey there was strictly necessary.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 620

    eek said:

    All these problems facing Labour are utterly unforced, and of their own making.

    How will they react when real events come and bash them in the face?
    Got to agree there - Sue Gray may be solving issues on the civil service / delivery side of things.

    But their need someone to quickly get control of the media / presentation side of things because it's running away from them...
    I'm not sure that one person can dictate their way to a reform of the Civil Service. They are more likely to generate a tidal wave of hostility in the system. Which is what we have seen.

    You need a broader and deeper change.
    Especially if that person is already blamed for throwing civil servants under the Partygate bus.
    The civil servants in question, threw themselves under a bus. They did very, very stupid things of their own volition.

    But yes, that's not a good place to start from. Especially since many of their friends are probably still working in an around No.10. Some with.... dented? careers.
    You get the sense that Sue Gray's error was that she was the "safe pair of hands" chosen to conduct a traditional civil service highly mitigated inquiry, as a result some senior civil servants survived but have it in for her. If they'd had to go she'd be much better off.
  • Unfortunately for Downing Street, exactly 37 minutes after their line was published Guido went to pixel with evidence that Starmer paid tribute to the Queen on the day of her death from the very same ‘one-off’ penthouse. Gone were the family photos – replaced with some dark urns and books including an Obama biography…

    This is going to become untenable for Keir Starmer. The revelations about Lord Alli’s apartment have only just started…

    https://order-order.com/2024/09/26/downing-streets-fake-covid-home-defence-proven-wrong-within-30-minutes/

    Cavaet emptor....recent record on scalps is very poor, and he was giving the big 'un during the GE about a scandal that was nothing.

    His recent record?

    Guido is a regulation clown. A sort of below stairs Matty Goodwin without the suit.
    Err - watch Sky news just now and they are saying exactly the same prompting Kay Burley to comment ' he is pulling the wool over our eyes '
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,981
    TimS said:

    Cookie said:

    eek said:

    And another OpenAI bod has quit...

    https://x.com/barret_zoph/status/1839095143397515452

    OpenAI CTO Mira Murati, Chief Research Officer Bob McGrew, and VP Research Barret Zoph

    https://www.outlookbusiness.com/corporate/mira-murati-exits-altman-led-openai-bob-mcgraw-and-barret-zoph-follow-suit

    3 in a day. It can't be the money, apparently median dev salary is $1m a year.

    They are on far more than $1m a year...

    Beyond that it's hard to say what's going on with OpenAi and those people will have knowledge about the situation that no one else has..
    If I was on millions a year, within a year I'd have millions of pounds. So would retire.

    Which I suppose is why I'm not on millions a year.
    They do exist. Friend knows a guy who made partner in Deloitte aged 34 and then retired at 42, no kids, and he now basically plays squash all day.

    The bastard.
    Is this a good time to mention that I could retire today but have provisionally set my retirement when I hit 50 in 2028?

    I am unlikely to retire then though, more like when I hit 55 to 60.
    These days there's a lot of "retiring" of men in their 50s from a first career, in order to start a second career. And women in their 40s. You need to work out what your second career will be. Even 60 is too early to stop work completely.
    I am planning to retire in December at the age of 59.

    I should be okay and I do plan to work again although a couple of days stacking shelves in Sainsburys would suit me. No pressure. Turn up. Stack shelves. Go home. Pocket around £800 a month and top up with pension.

    Certainly pressurised demanding roles become less and less appealing as you get older I have found.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,981
    Nigelb said:

    Taz said:

    Nigelb said:

    This is actually not a bad idea to test Trump's policy proposals.

    Let's put a 500% tariff on all cheap Trump merchandise that comes from China as a test run, see what it does to prices.
    https://x.com/TheRealThelmaJ1/status/1838969246417588472

    "China will pay..."

    Where has Trump proposed a 500% tariff on Chinese imports ?

    He has proposed 60% certainly and 10% for the ROW.
    You didn't detect the tongue in cheek ?
    No one is going to do any such thing to Trump.
    No, I didn't detect it. Sorry !!!
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,792

    Unfortunately for Downing Street, exactly 37 minutes after their line was published Guido went to pixel with evidence that Starmer paid tribute to the Queen on the day of her death from the very same ‘one-off’ penthouse. Gone were the family photos – replaced with some dark urns and books including an Obama biography…

    This is going to become untenable for Keir Starmer. The revelations about Lord Alli’s apartment have only just started…

    https://order-order.com/2024/09/26/downing-streets-fake-covid-home-defence-proven-wrong-within-30-minutes/

    Cavaet emptor....recent record on scalps is very poor, and he was giving the big 'un during the GE about a scandal that was nothing.

    His recent record?

    Guido is a regulation clown. A sort of below stairs Matty Goodwin without the suit.
    Err - watch Sky news just now and they are saying exactly the same prompting Kay Burley to comment ' he is pulling the wool over our eyes '
    Sky News eh? Filling air time.

    I’d love to see Kay and Beth’s register of gifts and expenses. Would be a sight to behold!
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 620
    TimS said:

    Cookie said:

    eek said:

    And another OpenAI bod has quit...

    https://x.com/barret_zoph/status/1839095143397515452

    OpenAI CTO Mira Murati, Chief Research Officer Bob McGrew, and VP Research Barret Zoph

    https://www.outlookbusiness.com/corporate/mira-murati-exits-altman-led-openai-bob-mcgraw-and-barret-zoph-follow-suit

    3 in a day. It can't be the money, apparently median dev salary is $1m a year.

    They are on far more than $1m a year...

    Beyond that it's hard to say what's going on with OpenAi and those people will have knowledge about the situation that no one else has..
    If I was on millions a year, within a year I'd have millions of pounds. So would retire.

    Which I suppose is why I'm not on millions a year.
    They do exist. Friend knows a guy who made partner in Deloitte aged 34 and then retired at 42, no kids, and he now basically plays squash all day.

    The bastard.
    Is this a good time to mention that I could retire today but have provisionally set my retirement when I hit 50 in 2028?

    I am unlikely to retire then though, more like when I hit 55 to 60.
    These days there's a lot of "retiring" of men in their 50s from a first career, in order to start a second career. And women in their 40s. You need to work out what your second career will be. Even 60 is too early to stop work completely.
    That's not what people I know who have retired in their 50s tell me :)
    I guess it depends on whether you were enjoying work and whether you have fulfilling hobbies.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,012
    Taz said:

    TimS said:

    Cookie said:

    eek said:

    And another OpenAI bod has quit...

    https://x.com/barret_zoph/status/1839095143397515452

    OpenAI CTO Mira Murati, Chief Research Officer Bob McGrew, and VP Research Barret Zoph

    https://www.outlookbusiness.com/corporate/mira-murati-exits-altman-led-openai-bob-mcgraw-and-barret-zoph-follow-suit

    3 in a day. It can't be the money, apparently median dev salary is $1m a year.

    They are on far more than $1m a year...

    Beyond that it's hard to say what's going on with OpenAi and those people will have knowledge about the situation that no one else has..
    If I was on millions a year, within a year I'd have millions of pounds. So would retire.

    Which I suppose is why I'm not on millions a year.
    They do exist. Friend knows a guy who made partner in Deloitte aged 34 and then retired at 42, no kids, and he now basically plays squash all day.

    The bastard.
    Is this a good time to mention that I could retire today but have provisionally set my retirement when I hit 50 in 2028?

    I am unlikely to retire then though, more like when I hit 55 to 60.
    These days there's a lot of "retiring" of men in their 50s from a first career, in order to start a second career. And women in their 40s. You need to work out what your second career will be. Even 60 is too early to stop work completely.
    I am planning to retire in December at the age of 59.

    I should be okay and I do plan to work again although a couple of days stacking shelves in Sainsburys would suit me. No pressure. Turn up. Stack shelves. Go home. Pocket around £800 a month and top up with pension.

    Certainly pressurised demanding roles become less and less appealing as you get older I have found.
    You'll be bored out of your mind.

    I think the ideal is to find a way to lose the crap bits of the job and keep the fun bits. My friend and neighbour did that in the NHS. He retired from head of department and came back as a locum only doing clinics. No more pointless and tedious meetings, minimal paperwork, some intellectual stimulation. Perfect.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,792
    Taz said:

    TimS said:

    Cookie said:

    eek said:

    And another OpenAI bod has quit...

    https://x.com/barret_zoph/status/1839095143397515452

    OpenAI CTO Mira Murati, Chief Research Officer Bob McGrew, and VP Research Barret Zoph

    https://www.outlookbusiness.com/corporate/mira-murati-exits-altman-led-openai-bob-mcgraw-and-barret-zoph-follow-suit

    3 in a day. It can't be the money, apparently median dev salary is $1m a year.

    They are on far more than $1m a year...

    Beyond that it's hard to say what's going on with OpenAi and those people will have knowledge about the situation that no one else has..
    If I was on millions a year, within a year I'd have millions of pounds. So would retire.

    Which I suppose is why I'm not on millions a year.
    They do exist. Friend knows a guy who made partner in Deloitte aged 34 and then retired at 42, no kids, and he now basically plays squash all day.

    The bastard.
    Is this a good time to mention that I could retire today but have provisionally set my retirement when I hit 50 in 2028?

    I am unlikely to retire then though, more like when I hit 55 to 60.
    These days there's a lot of "retiring" of men in their 50s from a first career, in order to start a second career. And women in their 40s. You need to work out what your second career will be. Even 60 is too early to stop work completely.
    I am planning to retire in December at the age of 59.

    I should be okay and I do plan to work again although a couple of days stacking shelves in Sainsburys would suit me. No pressure. Turn up. Stack shelves. Go home. Pocket around £800 a month and top up with pension.

    Certainly pressurised demanding roles become less and less appealing as you get older I have found.
    Congrats on your retirement. Make sure you keep active and see the world. Enjoy yourself.
  • Unfortunately for Downing Street, exactly 37 minutes after their line was published Guido went to pixel with evidence that Starmer paid tribute to the Queen on the day of her death from the very same ‘one-off’ penthouse. Gone were the family photos – replaced with some dark urns and books including an Obama biography…

    This is going to become untenable for Keir Starmer. The revelations about Lord Alli’s apartment have only just started…

    https://order-order.com/2024/09/26/downing-streets-fake-covid-home-defence-proven-wrong-within-30-minutes/

    Cavaet emptor....recent record on scalps is very poor, and he was giving the big 'un during the GE about a scandal that was nothing.

    His recent record?

    Guido is a regulation clown. A sort of below stairs Matty Goodwin without the suit.
    Err - watch Sky news just now and they are saying exactly the same prompting Kay Burley to comment ' he is pulling the wool over our eyes '
    Sky News eh? Filling air time.

    I’d love to see Kay and Beth’s register of gifts and expenses. Would be a sight to behold!
    They are not elected politicians and more importantly a PM who declared an end to cronyism
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,980
    edited September 26

    Cookie said:

    eek said:

    And another OpenAI bod has quit...

    https://x.com/barret_zoph/status/1839095143397515452

    OpenAI CTO Mira Murati, Chief Research Officer Bob McGrew, and VP Research Barret Zoph

    https://www.outlookbusiness.com/corporate/mira-murati-exits-altman-led-openai-bob-mcgraw-and-barret-zoph-follow-suit

    3 in a day. It can't be the money, apparently median dev salary is $1m a year.

    They are on far more than $1m a year...

    Beyond that it's hard to say what's going on with OpenAi and those people will have knowledge about the situation that no one else has..
    If I was on millions a year, within a year I'd have millions of pounds. So would retire.

    Which I suppose is why I'm not on millions a year.
    They do exist. Friend knows a guy who made partner in Deloitte aged 34 and then retired at 42, no kids, and he now basically plays squash all day.

    The bastard.
    Is this a good time to mention that I could retire today but have provisionally set my retirement when I hit 50 in 2028?

    I am unlikely to retire then though, more like when I hit 55 to 60.
    Playing squash all day sounds really boring. I've recently retired at 74, because private activities started to seem more interesting. So far it's proved a good move, but the changes in lifestyle are quite dramatic, and I'd advise against retiring just because you financially can.
    Playing squash all day will quickly become playing golf all day as you get older. Squash is about the worst sport for your body that doesn’t involve high speed accidents or being hit in the face. Hips, knees, ankles, shoulders, wrists all get totally screwed.
  • nico679 said:

    I won’t be able to sleep with worry and anger !

    Starmer did the unthinkable and filmed a video in a donors flat . I mean the horror , this is much worse than Bozo partying whilst grannie was being carted off to the funeral home . It’s much worse than billions of pounds of government contracts for mates .

    This latest media fixation is pathetic .

    Oh, for the days when a chancellor had to re-write his budget because of a proposed tax on Cornish pasties.
  • nico679 said:

    I won’t be able to sleep with worry and anger !

    Starmer did the unthinkable and filmed a video in a donors flat . I mean the horror , this is much worse than Bozo partying whilst grannie was being carted off to the funeral home . It’s much worse than billions of pounds of government contracts for mates .

    This latest media fixation is pathetic .

    Oh, for the days when a chancellor had to re-write his budget because of a proposed tax on Cornish pasties.
    To think they called that an omnishambles.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,471
    edited September 26
    DavidL said:

    Taz said:

    TimS said:

    Cookie said:

    eek said:

    And another OpenAI bod has quit...

    https://x.com/barret_zoph/status/1839095143397515452

    OpenAI CTO Mira Murati, Chief Research Officer Bob McGrew, and VP Research Barret Zoph

    https://www.outlookbusiness.com/corporate/mira-murati-exits-altman-led-openai-bob-mcgraw-and-barret-zoph-follow-suit

    3 in a day. It can't be the money, apparently median dev salary is $1m a year.

    They are on far more than $1m a year...

    Beyond that it's hard to say what's going on with OpenAi and those people will have knowledge about the situation that no one else has..
    If I was on millions a year, within a year I'd have millions of pounds. So would retire.

    Which I suppose is why I'm not on millions a year.
    They do exist. Friend knows a guy who made partner in Deloitte aged 34 and then retired at 42, no kids, and he now basically plays squash all day.

    The bastard.
    Is this a good time to mention that I could retire today but have provisionally set my retirement when I hit 50 in 2028?

    I am unlikely to retire then though, more like when I hit 55 to 60.
    These days there's a lot of "retiring" of men in their 50s from a first career, in order to start a second career. And women in their 40s. You need to work out what your second career will be. Even 60 is too early to stop work completely.
    I am planning to retire in December at the age of 59.

    I should be okay and I do plan to work again although a couple of days stacking shelves in Sainsburys would suit me. No pressure. Turn up. Stack shelves. Go home. Pocket around £800 a month and top up with pension.

    Certainly pressurised demanding roles become less and less appealing as you get older I have found.
    You'll be bored out of your mind.

    I think the ideal is to find a way to lose the crap bits of the job and keep the fun bits. My friend and neighbour did that in the NHS. He retired from head of department and came back as a locum only doing clinics. No more pointless and tedious meetings, minimal paperwork, some intellectual stimulation. Perfect.
    Bored out of his mind? I retired at 62 from a very demanding job and have never looked back. The only times I'm bored are when brushing my teeth and, I suppose, reading x, y and z's posts on this otherwise fabulous site - though the latter is optional, of course.

    Truthfully: although retired, I wish there were more hours in the day. It's such fun not having the chains of paid work.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,981

    Taz said:

    TimS said:

    Cookie said:

    eek said:

    And another OpenAI bod has quit...

    https://x.com/barret_zoph/status/1839095143397515452

    OpenAI CTO Mira Murati, Chief Research Officer Bob McGrew, and VP Research Barret Zoph

    https://www.outlookbusiness.com/corporate/mira-murati-exits-altman-led-openai-bob-mcgraw-and-barret-zoph-follow-suit

    3 in a day. It can't be the money, apparently median dev salary is $1m a year.

    They are on far more than $1m a year...

    Beyond that it's hard to say what's going on with OpenAi and those people will have knowledge about the situation that no one else has..
    If I was on millions a year, within a year I'd have millions of pounds. So would retire.

    Which I suppose is why I'm not on millions a year.
    They do exist. Friend knows a guy who made partner in Deloitte aged 34 and then retired at 42, no kids, and he now basically plays squash all day.

    The bastard.
    Is this a good time to mention that I could retire today but have provisionally set my retirement when I hit 50 in 2028?

    I am unlikely to retire then though, more like when I hit 55 to 60.
    These days there's a lot of "retiring" of men in their 50s from a first career, in order to start a second career. And women in their 40s. You need to work out what your second career will be. Even 60 is too early to stop work completely.
    I am planning to retire in December at the age of 59.

    I should be okay and I do plan to work again although a couple of days stacking shelves in Sainsburys would suit me. No pressure. Turn up. Stack shelves. Go home. Pocket around £800 a month and top up with pension.

    Certainly pressurised demanding roles become less and less appealing as you get older I have found.
    Congrats on your retirement. Make sure you keep active and see the world. Enjoy yourself.
    Thank you, we certainly plan to.

    I also plan to do some volunteer work as well, I am great at home brew so I will also learn how to make chutnies and relishes.

    I do not want to sit and vegetate at home.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,694
    Andy_JS said:

    biggles said:

    The Tories really do need to think about how they managed to lose to this mob. How they managed to be even worse, and make them look superficially attractive to many.

    14 years in government. We're not a one party state.
    To be accurate the Conservatives had nine years alone in Government and five in Coalition with the LibDems. Those five are recognised as a period, while by no means of excellence, at least of stability. Yes, they got things wrong, tuition fees for one, NHS re-organisation for another, but at least they were coherent.
    And, while my memory may now be failing, I don't recall the same degree of harking back in either 1997 or 2010. What's more, I don't recall the same sense of ineptitude about any government in the first few months of the time in office. Apart, perhaps, from Johnson's in 2019.
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