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In Kemiworld tactical voting is dirty tricks – politicalbetting.com
In Kemiworld tactical voting is dirty tricks – politicalbetting.com
In today’s The Times supporters of Kemi Badenoch are whining that Tory MPs are voting tactically
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Good morning PB.
'It is so woke to complain about tactical voting. Kemi needs to stop being such a snowflake.'
The whole conservative leadership race is a complete switch off for me
Just elect a leader and get on with it
Understanding tactical voting is important. It played a part in the Conservative woe at the recent election.
Slept rather terribly. Not sure this bodes well for the DC20 one shot I'm running this evening, but we shall see.
If Jenrick really has enough supporters to lend some out and still come top, he's a shoe-in for the final round.
Which might be why Team Kemi now are portraying her as the mod(chortle)... the cent(giggle)... the less right wing option. I mean, that's insane, isn't it?
Finally, I can sort of see how boosting a beatable Cleverly at the expense of Badenoch is a race thing, but it's awfully subtle, and I suspect the subtleties will be lost on most. It doesn't sit well with the anti-woke thing.
At this rate, there will be another Conservative leadership election soon.
To my innocent ears that sounded very antisemitic.
Now Labour’s Fagin posters were - and still are - a stain on them
I had her down as "right wing but realistic"; which bit of that is more important to her supporters?
That's a posteriori thinking, used by the religious. And also by others in many ways. If someone has a cause they just believe it's inherently right then hunt for evidence to support the conclusion rather than assessing evidence to come to a conclusion.
Tugsy is ok if he drops the faux right wing rhetoric.
Shame.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZOb2maZH6U&ab_channel=Kanal13
Cleverly is probably the best option on the menu- though Patel might have been able to do the Michael Howard thing. But the succession planning has been awful, mostly because the Conservatives have burnt through a couple of generations of potential talent in the last five years.
And yes, there probably is another effective Conservative leader out there, they just don't know it yet. Heck, they might not even be an MP yet. Whether there will be a meaningful Conservative party from them to lead is another matter. There should be, but it won't take that much bad luck/judgement for a tumble in third party irrelevance.
I've had another little nibble, laying Kemi.
Several interesting FPTs that I missed: Speaking as an NT life member since just post-University, I don't see how this change undermines catering to all members. That is reflecting social trends, and compared to all of our political parties (for example), and the Telegraph readership, the National Trust has a good age profile, with an average membership age somewhere in the mid-40s. Attention needs to paid to all groups, not just near pensioners and older.
I don't even see the Telegraph showing that the number of meat etc dishes will be reduced in any signficant way; they assume it's a zero sum game. Clearly the customers and marketing and product quality need to match. I'd be concerned if it goes much higher - say to 70-80%.
NT need to keep up with their customers, and there are plenty of things to be addressed. There are certain advantages to reducing the numbers of cattle, such as increased accessibility being possible by the removal of cattle-grids (there are alternative strategies).
NT properties are far too focused on "drive here and walk around" by assumed culture; my local NT rural estate has 175k people within 5 miles who could be walking (or wheeling or cycling) there, and would be likely repeat visitors; but it is not seriously addressed. The focus has been more heavily on tourists. And 25% of adults do not, or cannot, have a driving licence; that's a lot of lost potential members. They are starting to address that.
Reading the Telegraph piece and preceding articles they have published puffing, for example, the "Restore Trust" campaign group, I'd say it's just another element in their culture war, and a farmer is a useful walk-on cameo.
Of the remaining candidates I look at Stride and remember the guy grifting away during the election campaign, literally delivering the most absurd laughable spin lines and trying to insist he and they were serious. Sorry mate, no. Tugenhat seems to have grafted away in the background out of view, had a good reputation but has soiled himself prostrate before the membership. No.
That leaves Jenrick, Badenoch and Cleverley. The latter is the least worst option by a considerable distance. Still a toad, but not as reprehensible a toad as Jenrick is. And Badenoch? As prickly as Truss without the talent.
If they go for the wrong leader, we'll have another leadership contest before the next election. Probably. Unless they are so mad that they leave Jenrick in place despite the obvious drawbacks.
Generally, though, vegan food tastes (to me) less good than traditional food. Of course you have it on offer and if it sells better you adjust your stocking policies.
But it seems very odd to have a strategic objective to increase stocking of a product that some customers don’t like as much. It’s a bureaucratic mindset.
(FWIW I spend a considerable amount of time thinking about burping cows and how to manage their methane emissions)
Maybe like Starmer for Labour in 2020 the next leader is the Kinnock/ Howard candidate. Not there to win an election but appointed to steady the ship.
As I told my (ex)MP, the best bet is probably to put Cleverly in charge, on the basis that he will oversee a two or three year beauty parade, where some new talent can develop their own manifesto to attract the lost voters.
https://www.tomforth.co.uk/circlepopulations/
It seems to be happening to the Tories. I still don’t understand how anyone in the Tory party can possibly believe that Jenrick is the answer. Davey and Farage will be delighted.
If I had to choose from who is left Cleverly stands out as someone with a bit of wit and warmth . Stride is the safe back to the 90s candidate. Interesting in a way. Old school.
Badenoch clearly has potential star quality. She’s will grab attention and could take on Farage. However she loves herself slightly too much and her politicking is clumsy and therefore hugely risky. I imagine her abrasive style has limited appeal to blue wall Tories.
Cleverly is probably the best one unless they want to roll the dice with Kemi and the bet comes good because her abrasive style is just a persona.
Seriously, mention the word vegan,and people lose their shit over it.
If the Tories want to return to Conservatism - sound finance, pro business, internationalist - then Labour are there begging to be attacked. But instead of that, there seems to be this desperate push to go further down the rabbit hole. The rabbit hole that got you first hated and then demolished.
I don't get it.
Many Tories seem to want to be right wing radicals, conservative in name only
Sounds delicious actually. No doubt numerous posts revealing it was invented in 1998 to follow.
https://www.theitaliangardenproject.com/blog/a-new-york-treat-pane-con-ciccioli
Tory MPs are small in number and (I suspect) about the inflict a major disaster on their party, but collectively there is nothing the 80 can do to any group of 41 to keep the '41 group' candidate off the cup final.
https://www.thefreshloaf.com/node/33280/pain-au-bacon-ken-forkish
I don't buy the stuff about him not appealing to Reform; I think he'd have made a solid and serious Conservative offer on that, and he'd be great at fighting Labour on the economy and winning back LD seats.
To admit "we got an unparalleled tonking, despite our opponent being the textbook definition of "adequate but uninspiring" and it was deserved because we were that awful" requires a lot of honesty. Few of us possess that.
Much easier to think "one more heave" and draw fantasy arrows on the battle plan. (See "we'll spend a couple of years reabsorbing Reform, then go for the not currently blue wall".)
In recent cycles, it has taken multiple defeats for Red or Blue to act on the message from the electorate. Partly because each defeat gets harder to ignore. But also because it means that the "we" becomes a "they", which is much easier to handle objectively.
And lard can be used in bread recipes (though rare in the UK).
But it actually makes more sense than putting a "suitable for vegetarians" mark on a carton of pure orange juice.
It isn't "nationalist" either - or isolationist - it's about constructively engaging with other nations with the British national interest at heart and robustly defending those interests.
That alone should qualify him
I suspect the reason that many MPs of the Cleverly vote didn't declare is that they are keeping their powder dry to declare in later rounds and finish on the winning side.
https://www.thetimes.com/uk/education/article/labour-drops-plans-to-teach-nuanced-history-of-british-empire-s0lzx2fb0
A TikTok viral “ATM Glitch” was reportedly used by thousands of people to withdraw “Free money” from Chase Bank ATMs.
Unfortunately, banks and police see it rather differently. People were paying in cheques for large amounts, and withdrawing it quickly before the cheque bounced.
Err, that’s fraud and theft guys, not a “glitch”.
https://gizmodo.com/idiots-who-tried-tiktoks-viral-free-money-glitch-at-atms-are-getting-reported-for-fraud-2000495838
So it might be that rather than dictate a universal changeover, we concentrate on what works best.
Maitland Road, Rosyth: https://maps.app.goo.gl/4T5aP7mqy6DN5u7A8
‘A huge mistake’: Trump’s crypto allies cringe over family’s startup
The crypto venture is attracting what appear to be hacks and attempted scams ahead of its launch.
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/09/06/trump-family-crypto-startup-00177566
Why should his actual sons be denied?
I have no idea whether it would work, perhaps someone with greater nuclear knowledge than myself (almost everyone here) could opine.
Labour MP: “It hasn’t even been thought through properly. We’re going to end up with more old people in hospital or care as a result, with all the costs involved in that,”
A third Labour MP who represents a marginal seat said they had received about 200 emails on the issue, many of them along the lines of: “I’ve just voted Labour for the first time but never again”
Labour ministers reveal grave concerns about winter fuel payment cut
Frontbenchers say they have had string of complaints from constituents and policy ‘won’t be worth the political hit’
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/sep/07/labour-ministers-reveal-grave-concerns-about-winter-fuel-payment-cut
My only caveat would be to run a couple of sanity checks to make sure you trust the results, as we do not have immediate visibility of the quality of the underlying data, unless it is in the website somewhere else. But that's a standard check we all do anyway, just as we all read the article behind a tweeted headline
Thanks for the link in your reply.
Everyone knows that backbench tory MPs are the most sophisticated electorate in the world when it comes to leadership voting.
https://x.com/navylookout/status/1832327498454950046?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q
It makes the Trump family money and loses basically zero votes. Apparently Nic is worried that embracing an obvious grift will lose support from the crypto industry, but everybody except him knows perfectly well that Trump is a scammer. The crypto industry is giving him bribes because they know he can be bribed.
And your point leads to greater usage by locals as opposed to the single time in a lifetime visit syndrome.
I think, for me, the anti-wokists really discredited themselves when they complained - effectively - about Armstrong having been so woke 150 years ago as to buy and display an anti-slavery statue at Cragside, where it remains in the niche which Armstrong allocated to it ...
The latter is even worse than the former.
https://x.com/osinttechnical/status/1832222481890803964
If they sell, stock them.
But your stock policies shouldn’t be determined by a vote
Everything in a submarine that goes in or out has to fit thru a hatch. The submarines weren't built to allow cables to be run from the hatch to the reactor and I'm not sure the cable diameter was smaller than the hatch diameter. They thought they'd have to carve a hole in the hull.
Perhaps they could have done it eventually (military move fast when needed) but the urgency went away
TLDR: subs aren't built to do this