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This poll feels like an outlier – politicalbetting.com

SystemSystem Posts: 12,212
edited September 29 in General
imageThis poll feels like an outlier – politicalbetting.com

Vice President Harris holds a 7-point edge over former President Trump nationally in a new poll.https://t.co/JGd8qgiG0X

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  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,608
    And how does Braun rate on the 538 pollster metrics?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,709
    edited August 26
    Possibly. Or a harbinger.

    The thing is, we keep waiting for something else crazy to happen, but at the moment all the crazy is coming from Trump. He rings Fox News, randomly dials buttons on his phone while speaking, rambles weirdly about Harris' race in an highly racist way to an audience of non-white journalists and puts out an AI altered photo that appears to show him humping a lion.

    What if the crazy gets worse? We might be entering feedback loop territory where his mental health problems become more acute the further he falls behind - and the more acute they become, the further he falls.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,082
    3.5% plus or minus?

    That’s a pretty wide error bar…

    If it’s true, then barring some very regional effects (winning 100% of California) she is looking at an EC win.

    We need polling in the swing states. And states that are one edge of being swing states. Florida in contention?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,608
    edited August 26
    rcs1000 said:

    And how does Braun rate on the 538 pollster metrics?

    Should have done my own research:



    So not truly awful, but not exactly an A rated pollster.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,709
    ydoethur said:

    Possibly. Or a harbinger.

    The thing is, we keep waiting for something else crazy to happen, but at the moment all the crazy is coming from Trump. He rings Fox News, randomly dials buttons on his phone while speaking, rambles weirdly about Harris' race in an highly racist way to an audience of non-white journalists and puts out an AI altered photo that appears to show him humping a lion.

    What if the crazy gets worse? We might be entering feedback loop territory where his mental health problems become more acute the further he falls behind - and the more acute they become, the further he falls.

    And, of course, next month we have sentencing in New York and the appeal of his fraud conviction.
  • VerulamiusVerulamius Posts: 1,549
    edited August 26
    This poll appears to be from Fairleigh Dickinson University not Braun.

    https://www.fdu.edu/news/fdu-poll-finds-race-and-gender-push-harris-above-trump-nationally/

    Fairleigh Dickinson University, Madison, NJ, August 23, 2024 – Voters nationally give Vice President and Democratic nominee Kamala Harris an edge over former President Donald Trump in November’s election by a seven-point margin (50 to 43), but race and gender remains central to the vote. When voters are made to think about the race or gender of the candidates, Harris’ lead grows substantially; when they’re not, support is essentially tied. Harris is also helped by strong support among the slightly less than half of men who reject traditionally masculine identities. Trump’s strongest support is among men who hold traditionally masculine identities, while women and other men strongly favor Harris.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,956
    edited August 26

    This poll appears to be from Fairleigh Dickinson University not Braun.

    https://www.fdu.edu/news/fdu-poll-finds-race-and-gender-push-harris-above-trump-nationally/

    Fairleigh Dickinson University, Madison, NJ, August 23, 2024 – Voters nationally give Vice President and Democratic nominee Kamala Harris an edge over former President Donald Trump in November’s election by a seven-point margin (50 to 43), but race and gender remains central to the vote. When voters are made to think about the race or gender of the candidates, Harris’ lead grows substantially; when they’re not, support is essentially tied. Harris is also helped by strong support among the slightly less than half of men who reject traditionally masculine identities. Trump’s strongest support is among men who hold traditionally masculine identities, while women and other men strongly favor Harris.

    FDU commissioned the poll but Braun conducted the poll.

    The survey was conducted between August 17 and August 20, 2024, using a voter list of registered voters nationwide carried out by Braun Research of Princeton, New Jersey.

    Respondents were contacted via either live caller telephone interviews, or text-to-web surveys sent to cellular phones, resulting in an overall sample of 801 registered voters nationally. 520 of the surveys were carried out via live caller telephone interviews to landlines (30%) and cellphones (70%) and the remainder (281) were done on a web platform via weblinks sent via SMS to cell phones. Surveys were conducted only in English.
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,277
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Possibly. Or a harbinger.

    The thing is, we keep waiting for something else crazy to happen, but at the moment all the crazy is coming from Trump. He rings Fox News, randomly dials buttons on his phone while speaking, rambles weirdly about Harris' race in an highly racist way to an audience of non-white journalists and puts out an AI altered photo that appears to show him humping a lion.

    What if the crazy gets worse? We might be entering feedback loop territory where his mental health problems become more acute the further he falls behind - and the more acute they become, the further he falls.

    And, of course, next month we have sentencing in New York and the appeal of his fraud conviction.
    We’re not guaranteed to get to sentencing . The judge will on the 16th September decide on the immunity question . The sentencing was due on the 18th but it’s likely Trumps lawyers will appeal the immunity ruling if it goes against Trump .
  • VerulamiusVerulamius Posts: 1,549

    This poll appears to be from Fairleigh Dickinson University not Braun.

    https://www.fdu.edu/news/fdu-poll-finds-race-and-gender-push-harris-above-trump-nationally/

    Fairleigh Dickinson University, Madison, NJ, August 23, 2024 – Voters nationally give Vice President and Democratic nominee Kamala Harris an edge over former President Donald Trump in November’s election by a seven-point margin (50 to 43), but race and gender remains central to the vote. When voters are made to think about the race or gender of the candidates, Harris’ lead grows substantially; when they’re not, support is essentially tied. Harris is also helped by strong support among the slightly less than half of men who reject traditionally masculine identities. Trump’s strongest support is among men who hold traditionally masculine identities, while women and other men strongly favor Harris.

    Reading down it appears to be undertaken by Braun Research for Fairleigh Dickinson
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,956
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Possibly. Or a harbinger.

    The thing is, we keep waiting for something else crazy to happen, but at the moment all the crazy is coming from Trump. He rings Fox News, randomly dials buttons on his phone while speaking, rambles weirdly about Harris' race in an highly racist way to an audience of non-white journalists and puts out an AI altered photo that appears to show him humping a lion.

    What if the crazy gets worse? We might be entering feedback loop territory where his mental health problems become more acute the further he falls behind - and the more acute they become, the further he falls.

    And, of course, next month we have sentencing in New York and the appeal of his fraud conviction.
    The morning thread is cricket themed as I compare Starmer to a test cricketer.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,709
    This is what conservatives with functioning brains think of Trump's campaign performance:

    https://eu.usatoday.com/story/opinion/columnist/2024/08/25/trump-harris-2024-election/74863488007/

    Trump's biggest hurdle is not President Joe Biden, Vice President Harris or her running mate, Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz.

    Trump's biggest obstacle is Trump.

    I've listened to Trump speak hundreds of times. Reporting on a news conference is a nightmare because Trump cannot commit to the self-discipline that it takes to prepare ahead of time, pare his thoughts to a handful of strong talking points and then cogently answer questions on what his administration would look like.

    Trump insists on coming across like a moron. I'm not saying he is one, but he sounds like one. His thoughts and ideas flow with a stream of consciousness that makes William Faulkner look like a children's nursery rhyme. He jumps from idea to idea like a hip-hop artist doing a break dancing routine at the Olympic level.

    As a result, he's unable to make a strong case for anything − and politics is nothing if not the art of persuasion − even though he actually has the record to show he accomplished good things for America during his previous administration.


    And mark - this is one of his *supporters* speaking.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,709

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Possibly. Or a harbinger.

    The thing is, we keep waiting for something else crazy to happen, but at the moment all the crazy is coming from Trump. He rings Fox News, randomly dials buttons on his phone while speaking, rambles weirdly about Harris' race in an highly racist way to an audience of non-white journalists and puts out an AI altered photo that appears to show him humping a lion.

    What if the crazy gets worse? We might be entering feedback loop territory where his mental health problems become more acute the further he falls behind - and the more acute they become, the further he falls.

    And, of course, next month we have sentencing in New York and the appeal of his fraud conviction.
    The morning thread is cricket themed as I compare Starmer to a test cricketer.
    Ollie Robinson? Starts promisingly but then underlying issues mean everyone hates him and he gets dropped for inferior models like Potts?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,956
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Possibly. Or a harbinger.

    The thing is, we keep waiting for something else crazy to happen, but at the moment all the crazy is coming from Trump. He rings Fox News, randomly dials buttons on his phone while speaking, rambles weirdly about Harris' race in an highly racist way to an audience of non-white journalists and puts out an AI altered photo that appears to show him humping a lion.

    What if the crazy gets worse? We might be entering feedback loop territory where his mental health problems become more acute the further he falls behind - and the more acute they become, the further he falls.

    And, of course, next month we have sentencing in New York and the appeal of his fraud conviction.
    The morning thread is cricket themed as I compare Starmer to a test cricketer.
    Ollie Robinson? Starts promisingly but then underlying issues mean everyone hates him and he gets dropped for inferior models like Potts?
    Wait until the morning, I suspect my comparison will be controversial.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,709

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Possibly. Or a harbinger.

    The thing is, we keep waiting for something else crazy to happen, but at the moment all the crazy is coming from Trump. He rings Fox News, randomly dials buttons on his phone while speaking, rambles weirdly about Harris' race in an highly racist way to an audience of non-white journalists and puts out an AI altered photo that appears to show him humping a lion.

    What if the crazy gets worse? We might be entering feedback loop territory where his mental health problems become more acute the further he falls behind - and the more acute they become, the further he falls.

    And, of course, next month we have sentencing in New York and the appeal of his fraud conviction.
    The morning thread is cricket themed as I compare Starmer to a test cricketer.
    Ollie Robinson? Starts promisingly but then underlying issues mean everyone hates him and he gets dropped for inferior models like Potts?
    Wait until the morning, I suspect my comparison will be controversial.
    You're not, surely, going to compare him to...

    The one...

    The only...

    The greatest ever batsman...

    CHRIS MARTIN?!!!!
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,173
    The Ukrainian Air Force says Russia launched 236 missiles and UAVs today, including:
    -3 Kinzhal air-launched ballistic missile
    -6 Iskander-M / KN-23 ballistic missiles
    -77 Kh-101 cruise missiles
    -28 Kalibr cruise missiles
    -3 Kh-22 cruise missiles
    -10 Kh-59 / Kh-69 air-to-surface missiles from Su-57 and Su-34 aircraft
    -109 Shahed-131 / 136

    https://x.com/RALee85/status/1828109957356487086
  • ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Possibly. Or a harbinger.

    The thing is, we keep waiting for something else crazy to happen, but at the moment all the crazy is coming from Trump. He rings Fox News, randomly dials buttons on his phone while speaking, rambles weirdly about Harris' race in an highly racist way to an audience of non-white journalists and puts out an AI altered photo that appears to show him humping a lion.

    What if the crazy gets worse? We might be entering feedback loop territory where his mental health problems become more acute the further he falls behind - and the more acute they become, the further he falls.

    And, of course, next month we have sentencing in New York and the appeal of his fraud conviction.
    The morning thread is cricket themed as I compare Starmer to a test cricketer.
    Ollie Robinson? Starts promisingly but then underlying issues mean everyone hates him and he gets dropped for inferior models like Potts?
    Wait until the morning, I suspect my comparison will be controversial.
    Or Beefy??
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,709
    edited August 26

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Possibly. Or a harbinger.

    The thing is, we keep waiting for something else crazy to happen, but at the moment all the crazy is coming from Trump. He rings Fox News, randomly dials buttons on his phone while speaking, rambles weirdly about Harris' race in an highly racist way to an audience of non-white journalists and puts out an AI altered photo that appears to show him humping a lion.

    What if the crazy gets worse? We might be entering feedback loop territory where his mental health problems become more acute the further he falls behind - and the more acute they become, the further he falls.

    And, of course, next month we have sentencing in New York and the appeal of his fraud conviction.
    The morning thread is cricket themed as I compare Starmer to a test cricketer.
    Ollie Robinson? Starts promisingly but then underlying issues mean everyone hates him and he gets dropped for inferior models like Potts?
    Wait until the morning, I suspect my comparison will be controversial.
    Or Beefy??
    Beefy is Johnson.

    Overpromoted serial shagger occasionally capable of extraordinary feats of inspiration, but too lazy to do the hard yards, totally inept as a leader and only ever talks or thinks about himself.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,268
    edited August 26
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Possibly. Or a harbinger.

    The thing is, we keep waiting for something else crazy to happen, but at the moment all the crazy is coming from Trump. He rings Fox News, randomly dials buttons on his phone while speaking, rambles weirdly about Harris' race in an highly racist way to an audience of non-white journalists and puts out an AI altered photo that appears to show him humping a lion.

    What if the crazy gets worse? We might be entering feedback loop territory where his mental health problems become more acute the further he falls behind - and the more acute they become, the further he falls.

    And, of course, next month we have sentencing in New York and the appeal of his fraud conviction.
    The morning thread is cricket themed as I compare Starmer to a test cricketer.
    Ollie Robinson? Starts promisingly but then underlying issues mean everyone hates him and he gets dropped for inferior models like Potts?
    Wait until the morning, I suspect my comparison will be controversial.
    Or Beefy??
    Beefy is Johnson.

    Overpromoted serial shagger occasionally capable of extraordinary feats of inspiration, but too lazy to do the hard yards, totally inept as a leader and only ever talks or thinks about himself.
    Does that make the 2019 election Boris’s Headingley 81?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,709
    Couple of possible trading bets:

    Missouri. Reddish state. Abortion is on the ballot. The Republican Senate candidate is leading the anti-abortion charge. If Harris is really starting to pull ten points clear it might come into play.

    And for a crazy left-field bet:

    Arkansas. Arkansas's Republican-packed Supreme Court has just backed the Secretary of State's procedural dismissal of a ballot on abortion. This was a popular ballot - it exceeded the threshold of signature by 12% without breaking a sweat - and the Republican hierarchy have foolishly been gloating that they introduced and have now kept a total ban on abortion.

    Even with that, if Arkansas goes blue it will be a colossal landslide for Harris, but it may come in in price.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,709

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Possibly. Or a harbinger.

    The thing is, we keep waiting for something else crazy to happen, but at the moment all the crazy is coming from Trump. He rings Fox News, randomly dials buttons on his phone while speaking, rambles weirdly about Harris' race in an highly racist way to an audience of non-white journalists and puts out an AI altered photo that appears to show him humping a lion.

    What if the crazy gets worse? We might be entering feedback loop territory where his mental health problems become more acute the further he falls behind - and the more acute they become, the further he falls.

    And, of course, next month we have sentencing in New York and the appeal of his fraud conviction.
    The morning thread is cricket themed as I compare Starmer to a test cricketer.
    Ollie Robinson? Starts promisingly but then underlying issues mean everyone hates him and he gets dropped for inferior models like Potts?
    Wait until the morning, I suspect my comparison will be controversial.
    Or Beefy??
    Beefy is Johnson.

    Overpromoted serial shagger occasionally capable of extraordinary feats of inspiration, but too lazy to do the hard yards, totally inept as a leader and only ever talks or thinks about himself.
    Does that make the 2019 election Boris’s Headingley 81?
    Possibly his Ashes '81 given all that went before and still came after, but yes, I'd give the election itself as Headingley.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,956

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Possibly. Or a harbinger.

    The thing is, we keep waiting for something else crazy to happen, but at the moment all the crazy is coming from Trump. He rings Fox News, randomly dials buttons on his phone while speaking, rambles weirdly about Harris' race in an highly racist way to an audience of non-white journalists and puts out an AI altered photo that appears to show him humping a lion.

    What if the crazy gets worse? We might be entering feedback loop territory where his mental health problems become more acute the further he falls behind - and the more acute they become, the further he falls.

    And, of course, next month we have sentencing in New York and the appeal of his fraud conviction.
    The morning thread is cricket themed as I compare Starmer to a test cricketer.
    Ollie Robinson? Starts promisingly but then underlying issues mean everyone hates him and he gets dropped for inferior models like Potts?
    Wait until the morning, I suspect my comparison will be controversial.
    Or Beefy??
    Beefy is Johnson.

    Overpromoted serial shagger occasionally capable of extraordinary feats of inspiration, but too lazy to do the hard yards, totally inept as a leader and only ever talks or thinks about himself.
    Does that make the 2019 election Boris’s Headingley 81?
    The Tories were never 500/1 to win the 2019 election.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,173

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Possibly. Or a harbinger.

    The thing is, we keep waiting for something else crazy to happen, but at the moment all the crazy is coming from Trump. He rings Fox News, randomly dials buttons on his phone while speaking, rambles weirdly about Harris' race in an highly racist way to an audience of non-white journalists and puts out an AI altered photo that appears to show him humping a lion.

    What if the crazy gets worse? We might be entering feedback loop territory where his mental health problems become more acute the further he falls behind - and the more acute they become, the further he falls.

    And, of course, next month we have sentencing in New York and the appeal of his fraud conviction.
    The morning thread is cricket themed as I compare Starmer to a test cricketer.
    Ollie Robinson? Starts promisingly but then underlying issues mean everyone hates him and he gets dropped for inferior models like Potts?
    Wait until the morning, I suspect my comparison will be controversial.
    Or Beefy??
    Hick ?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,934
    edited August 26
    Nigelb said:

    The Ukrainian Air Force says Russia launched 236 missiles and UAVs today, including:
    -3 Kinzhal air-launched ballistic missile
    -6 Iskander-M / KN-23 ballistic missiles
    -77 Kh-101 cruise missiles
    -28 Kalibr cruise missiles
    -3 Kh-22 cruise missiles
    -10 Kh-59 / Kh-69 air-to-surface missiles from Su-57 and Su-34 aircraft
    -109 Shahed-131 / 136

    https://x.com/RALee85/status/1828109957356487086

    90% of the cruise missiles and Shahed were intercepted. Some of the rest were moved off target by electronic warfare. A couple went in to Belarussia.

    But some hit the power stations and caused black outs. There was something that was hit in Odessa that caused a massive plume of smoke. A price they have to pay for 2,000 sq km of Kursk negotiating turf.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,268

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Possibly. Or a harbinger.

    The thing is, we keep waiting for something else crazy to happen, but at the moment all the crazy is coming from Trump. He rings Fox News, randomly dials buttons on his phone while speaking, rambles weirdly about Harris' race in an highly racist way to an audience of non-white journalists and puts out an AI altered photo that appears to show him humping a lion.

    What if the crazy gets worse? We might be entering feedback loop territory where his mental health problems become more acute the further he falls behind - and the more acute they become, the further he falls.

    And, of course, next month we have sentencing in New York and the appeal of his fraud conviction.
    The morning thread is cricket themed as I compare Starmer to a test cricketer.
    Ollie Robinson? Starts promisingly but then underlying issues mean everyone hates him and he gets dropped for inferior models like Potts?
    Wait until the morning, I suspect my comparison will be controversial.
    Or Beefy??
    Beefy is Johnson.

    Overpromoted serial shagger occasionally capable of extraordinary feats of inspiration, but too lazy to do the hard yards, totally inept as a leader and only ever talks or thinks about himself.
    Does that make the 2019 election Boris’s Headingley 81?
    The Tories were never 500/1 to win the 2019 election.
    I suppose it was Starmer who beat the Aussies (Crosby/Levido).
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,082
    edited August 26
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,012
    Nigelb said:

    The Ukrainian Air Force says Russia launched 236 missiles and UAVs today, including:
    -3 Kinzhal air-launched ballistic missile
    -6 Iskander-M / KN-23 ballistic missiles
    -77 Kh-101 cruise missiles
    -28 Kalibr cruise missiles
    -3 Kh-22 cruise missiles
    -10 Kh-59 / Kh-69 air-to-surface missiles from Su-57 and Su-34 aircraft
    -109 Shahed-131 / 136

    https://x.com/RALee85/status/1828109957356487086

    The evidence that they are running out of modern armaments because of sanctions etc is...mixed.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,082
    DavidL said:

    Nigelb said:

    The Ukrainian Air Force says Russia launched 236 missiles and UAVs today, including:
    -3 Kinzhal air-launched ballistic missile
    -6 Iskander-M / KN-23 ballistic missiles
    -77 Kh-101 cruise missiles
    -28 Kalibr cruise missiles
    -3 Kh-22 cruise missiles
    -10 Kh-59 / Kh-69 air-to-surface missiles from Su-57 and Su-34 aircraft
    -109 Shahed-131 / 136

    https://x.com/RALee85/status/1828109957356487086

    The evidence that they are running out of modern armaments because of sanctions etc is...mixed.
    They’re saving up the low rate production they have and launching these attacks at intervals.

    Note that a big chunk of their attack was the Iranian drones - big model aircraft essentially, with no terrain following or guidance systems. Which is why they are shot down in large numbers.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,220
    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/1828126743359603098

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    Could Labour supporters please stop screaming “But the Tories did it!!!”. Yes, we know. And you told us all it was an outrage they did it. And you also told us that was why we all had to vote for Keir Starmer, because he’d make sure it stopped.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,114
    ydoethur said:

    Couple of possible trading bets:

    Missouri. Reddish state. Abortion is on the ballot. The Republican Senate candidate is leading the anti-abortion charge. If Harris is really starting to pull ten points clear it might come into play.

    And for a crazy left-field bet:

    Arkansas. Arkansas's Republican-packed Supreme Court has just backed the Secretary of State's procedural dismissal of a ballot on abortion. This was a popular ballot - it exceeded the threshold of signature by 12% without breaking a sweat - and the Republican hierarchy have foolishly been gloating that they introduced and have now kept a total ban on abortion.

    Even with that, if Arkansas goes blue it will be a colossal landslide for Harris, but it may come in in price.

    Arkansas elected Bill Clinton as Governor.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,943
    ydoethur said:

    Possibly. Or a harbinger.

    The thing is, we keep waiting for something else crazy to happen, but at the moment all the crazy is coming from Trump. He rings Fox News, randomly dials buttons on his phone while speaking, rambles weirdly about Harris' race in an highly racist way to an audience of non-white journalists and puts out an AI altered photo that appears to show him humping a lion.

    What if the crazy gets worse? We might be entering feedback loop territory where his mental health problems become more acute the further he falls behind - and the more acute they become, the further he falls.

    This is the argument I have made for why she will win big:
    Trump is bonkers and getting more so
    Being clearly behind Harris and getting more behind will drive him more bonkers
    The more bonkers he gets, the more behind he gets. Rinse and repeat

    The True Believers will vote for him. However insane he is. But only they will...
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,082

    ydoethur said:

    Possibly. Or a harbinger.

    The thing is, we keep waiting for something else crazy to happen, but at the moment all the crazy is coming from Trump. He rings Fox News, randomly dials buttons on his phone while speaking, rambles weirdly about Harris' race in an highly racist way to an audience of non-white journalists and puts out an AI altered photo that appears to show him humping a lion.

    What if the crazy gets worse? We might be entering feedback loop territory where his mental health problems become more acute the further he falls behind - and the more acute they become, the further he falls.

    This is the argument I have made for why she will win big:
    Trump is bonkers and getting more so
    Being clearly behind Harris and getting more behind will drive him more bonkers
    The more bonkers he gets, the more behind he gets. Rinse and repeat

    The True Believers will vote for him. However insane he is. But only they will...
    The problem is that the apparent percentage of True Believers in the portion of the electorate that is likely to vote, is high. Maybe 45% or so.
  • tlg86 said:

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/1828126743359603098

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    Could Labour supporters please stop screaming “But the Tories did it!!!”. Yes, we know. And you told us all it was an outrage they did it. And you also told us that was why we all had to vote for Keir Starmer, because he’d make sure it stopped.

    Who did Dan Hodges vote for?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,709

    ydoethur said:

    Couple of possible trading bets:

    Missouri. Reddish state. Abortion is on the ballot. The Republican Senate candidate is leading the anti-abortion charge. If Harris is really starting to pull ten points clear it might come into play.

    And for a crazy left-field bet:

    Arkansas. Arkansas's Republican-packed Supreme Court has just backed the Secretary of State's procedural dismissal of a ballot on abortion. This was a popular ballot - it exceeded the threshold of signature by 12% without breaking a sweat - and the Republican hierarchy have foolishly been gloating that they introduced and have now kept a total ban on abortion.

    Even with that, if Arkansas goes blue it will be a colossal landslide for Harris, but it may come in in price.

    Arkansas elected Bill Clinton as Governor.
    And it voted for Clinton as President. Twice.

    That was a long, long time ago.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,444

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Possibly. Or a harbinger.

    The thing is, we keep waiting for something else crazy to happen, but at the moment all the crazy is coming from Trump. He rings Fox News, randomly dials buttons on his phone while speaking, rambles weirdly about Harris' race in an highly racist way to an audience of non-white journalists and puts out an AI altered photo that appears to show him humping a lion.

    What if the crazy gets worse? We might be entering feedback loop territory where his mental health problems become more acute the further he falls behind - and the more acute they become, the further he falls.

    And, of course, next month we have sentencing in New York and the appeal of his fraud conviction.
    The morning thread is cricket themed as I compare Starmer to a test cricketer.
    Boycott?

    You have to admire the outcome even if you have the boring process?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,268

    ydoethur said:

    Couple of possible trading bets:

    Missouri. Reddish state. Abortion is on the ballot. The Republican Senate candidate is leading the anti-abortion charge. If Harris is really starting to pull ten points clear it might come into play.

    And for a crazy left-field bet:

    Arkansas. Arkansas's Republican-packed Supreme Court has just backed the Secretary of State's procedural dismissal of a ballot on abortion. This was a popular ballot - it exceeded the threshold of signature by 12% without breaking a sweat - and the Republican hierarchy have foolishly been gloating that they introduced and have now kept a total ban on abortion.

    Even with that, if Arkansas goes blue it will be a colossal landslide for Harris, but it may come in in price.

    Arkansas elected Bill Clinton as Governor.
    I remember a British political pundit trying to sound very well-informed about America pronouncing it “Are Kansas”.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,928
    edited August 26
    Comparing Botham to Johnson seems a tad generous for the former PM. No-one would doubt beefy's credential as a legend of the game. I'd have thought Phil Tufnell would be a better one.

    Given Starmer's historic achievement in the election, gaining 211 seats(!), the only cricketing comparison that seems reasonable would be Donald Bradman. Are the Tories set to try bodyline tactics as the only way to undo the great man?
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,676
    ydoethur said:

    Couple of possible trading bets:

    Missouri. Reddish state. Abortion is on the ballot. The Republican Senate candidate is leading the anti-abortion charge. If Harris is really starting to pull ten points clear it might come into play.

    And for a crazy left-field bet:

    Arkansas. Arkansas's Republican-packed Supreme Court has just backed the Secretary of State's procedural dismissal of a ballot on abortion. This was a popular ballot - it exceeded the threshold of signature by 12% without breaking a sweat - and the Republican hierarchy have foolishly been gloating that they introduced and have now kept a total ban on abortion.

    Even with that, if Arkansas goes blue it will be a colossal landslide for Harris, but it may come in in price.

    Could just be. I've ventured £2 on each at 50s. What the hell. You never know. Thanks.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 4,974

    Comparing Botham to Johnson seems a tad generous for the former PM. No-one would doubt beefy's credential as a legend of the game. I'd have thought Phil Tufnell would be a better one.

    Given Starmer's historic achievement in the election, gaining 211 seats(!), the only cricketing comparison that seems reasonable would be Donald Bradman. Are the Tories set to try bodyline tactics as the only way to undo the great man?

    Best sporting comparison I can think of is Craig Brown as manager of Scotland in Estonia in 1996.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,864
    edited August 26
    A new Echelon national poll meanwhile which finished polling yesterday has Harris and Trump tied at 48% each after the Democratic convention and Kennedy Jr left the race and endorsed Trump
    "August 2024 Verified Voter Omnibus - Echelon Insights" https://echeloninsights.com/in-the-news/aug2024-verified-voterromnibus/
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,173

    ydoethur said:

    Possibly. Or a harbinger.

    The thing is, we keep waiting for something else crazy to happen, but at the moment all the crazy is coming from Trump. He rings Fox News, randomly dials buttons on his phone while speaking, rambles weirdly about Harris' race in an highly racist way to an audience of non-white journalists and puts out an AI altered photo that appears to show him humping a lion.

    What if the crazy gets worse? We might be entering feedback loop territory where his mental health problems become more acute the further he falls behind - and the more acute they become, the further he falls.

    This is the argument I have made for why she will win big:
    Trump is bonkers and getting more so
    Being clearly behind Harris and getting more behind will drive him more bonkers
    The more bonkers he gets, the more behind he gets. Rinse and repeat

    The True Believers will vote for him. However insane he is. But only they will...
    The problem is that the apparent percentage of True Believers in the portion of the electorate that is likely to vote, is high. Maybe 45% or so.
    The existence of Trumpy Trout is pretty solid evidence for the insanity of a significant portion of the US.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,676
    HYUFD said:

    A new Echelon national poll meanwhile which finished polling yesterday has Harris and Trump tied at 48% each after the Democratic convention and Kennedy Jr left the race and endorsed Trump
    "August 2024 Verified Voter Omnibus - Echelon Insights" https://echeloninsights.com/in-the-news/aug2024-verified-voterromnibus/

    And a new Kaplan survey on the 24th has Harris at 52% to Trump's 45%
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,709

    Comparing Botham to Johnson seems a tad generous for the former PM. No-one would doubt beefy's credential as a legend of the game. I'd have thought Phil Tufnell would be a better one.

    Given Starmer's historic achievement in the election, gaining 211 seats(!), the only cricketing comparison that seems reasonable would be Donald Bradman. Are the Tories set to try bodyline tactics as the only way to undo the great man?

    Perhaps more Douglas Jardine? The slippery customer who tamed Bradman but managed to blame everyone else for his actions?
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,444
    ydoethur said:

    This is what conservatives with functioning brains think of Trump's campaign performance:

    https://eu.usatoday.com/story/opinion/columnist/2024/08/25/trump-harris-2024-election/74863488007/

    Trump's biggest hurdle is not President Joe Biden, Vice President Harris or her running mate, Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz.

    Trump's biggest obstacle is Trump.

    I've listened to Trump speak hundreds of times. Reporting on a news conference is a nightmare because Trump cannot commit to the self-discipline that it takes to prepare ahead of time, pare his thoughts to a handful of strong talking points and then cogently answer questions on what his administration would look like.

    Trump insists on coming across like a moron. I'm not saying he is one, but he sounds like one. His thoughts and ideas flow with a stream of consciousness that makes William Faulkner look like a children's nursery rhyme. He jumps from idea to idea like a hip-hop artist doing a break dancing routine at the Olympic level.

    As a result, he's unable to make a strong case for anything − and politics is nothing if not the art of persuasion − even though he actually has the record to show he accomplished good things for America during his previous administration.


    And mark - this is one of his *supporters* speaking.

    "He's not as much of a moron as he sounds" is probably the best case a Trump advocate can make right now.

    (The reality is that he's always been like this- but the pace and pizzazz that used to cover it has gone.)
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,864
    HYUFD said:

    A new Echelon national poll meanwhile which finished polling yesterday has Harris and Trump tied at 48% each after the Democratic convention and Kennedy Jr left the race and endorsed Trump
    "August 2024 Verified Voter Omnibus - Echelon Insights" https://echeloninsights.com/in-the-news/aug2024-verified-voterromnibus/

    "August 2024 Verified Voter Omnibus - Echelon Insights" https://echeloninsights.com/in-the-news/aug2024-verified-voter-omnibus/
  • RattersRatters Posts: 1,111

    ydoethur said:

    Possibly. Or a harbinger.

    The thing is, we keep waiting for something else crazy to happen, but at the moment all the crazy is coming from Trump. He rings Fox News, randomly dials buttons on his phone while speaking, rambles weirdly about Harris' race in an highly racist way to an audience of non-white journalists and puts out an AI altered photo that appears to show him humping a lion.

    What if the crazy gets worse? We might be entering feedback loop territory where his mental health problems become more acute the further he falls behind - and the more acute they become, the further he falls.

    This is the argument I have made for why she will win big:
    Trump is bonkers and getting more so
    Being clearly behind Harris and getting more behind will drive him more bonkers
    The more bonkers he gets, the more behind he gets. Rinse and repeat

    The True Believers will vote for him. However insane he is. But only they will...
    The problem is that the apparent percentage of True Believers in the portion of the electorate that is likely to vote, is high. Maybe 45% or so.
    I agree there's 45% of typical turnout voters that support Trump.

    The landslide scenario is one where turnout is disproportionately high in demographics that do not typically vote as much. If it came to pass you'd probably see Democrat vote share underestimated by polls. Let's call in an enthusiasm gap.

    I also note Nate Silver's polling average has Harris 4.1% clear of Trump (who is on c.45%). If that trends up further to 5-6% and is compounded by a scenario where polls underestimating Democrats on average, then landslide style results start to come into play.

    Not my base case, but not inconceivable.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,676
    Barnesian said:

    HYUFD said:

    A new Echelon national poll meanwhile which finished polling yesterday has Harris and Trump tied at 48% each after the Democratic convention and Kennedy Jr left the race and endorsed Trump
    "August 2024 Verified Voter Omnibus - Echelon Insights" https://echeloninsights.com/in-the-news/aug2024-verified-voterromnibus/

    And a new Kaplan survey on the 24th has Harris at 52% to Trump's 45%
    This is the EMA for Harris's lead since Biden stepped down.



  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 5,980
    edited August 26
    If you can't use s apostrophe s for Harris's, when can you use s apostrophe s?

    It definitely used to be a grammatically correct thing, but teachers like @ydoethur seem determined to abolish it for some reason
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,444
    ydoethur said:

    Comparing Botham to Johnson seems a tad generous for the former PM. No-one would doubt beefy's credential as a legend of the game. I'd have thought Phil Tufnell would be a better one.

    Given Starmer's historic achievement in the election, gaining 211 seats(!), the only cricketing comparison that seems reasonable would be Donald Bradman. Are the Tories set to try bodyline tactics as the only way to undo the great man?

    Perhaps more Douglas Jardine? The slippery customer who tamed Bradman but managed to blame everyone else for his actions?
    What we really need here for Johnson is someone who was an effective (if unpleasant) winner who, by the way they won, made things impossible for their successors.

    Tricky.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,443
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    And how does Braun rate on the 538 pollster metrics?

    Should have done my own research:



    So not truly awful, but not exactly an A rated pollster.
    Are you a parent of teenagers?

    I only ask, because who else would describe a B/C grade as “not exactly an A”
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,379

    ydoethur said:

    Couple of possible trading bets:

    Missouri. Reddish state. Abortion is on the ballot. The Republican Senate candidate is leading the anti-abortion charge. If Harris is really starting to pull ten points clear it might come into play.

    And for a crazy left-field bet:

    Arkansas. Arkansas's Republican-packed Supreme Court has just backed the Secretary of State's procedural dismissal of a ballot on abortion. This was a popular ballot - it exceeded the threshold of signature by 12% without breaking a sweat - and the Republican hierarchy have foolishly been gloating that they introduced and have now kept a total ban on abortion.

    Even with that, if Arkansas goes blue it will be a colossal landslide for Harris, but it may come in in price.

    Arkansas elected Bill Clinton as Governor.
    I remember a British political pundit trying to sound very well-informed about America pronouncing it “Are Kansas”.
    The Kansas/Arkansas pronounciation difference is known to Americans. I think it's the US equivalent of something like Slough/Edinburgh or Cirencester/Gloucester. Perhaps some American PBers could enlighten us.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,928
    This is all getting silly now. But anyway:

    Cameron = David Gower
    Theresa May = Geoff Boycott
    Boris Johnson = Phil Tufnell
    Rishi Sunak = Mark Ramprakash/Mark Lathwell

    Liz Truss? Okay I'm stumped.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,012
    This is an astonishing but well researched story on Daily Kos: https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2024/8/26/2265800/-Trump-raises-less-money-than-Harris-and-how-he-spends-it-is-a-mystery?pm_campaign=front_page&pm_source=top_news_slot_1&pm_medium=web

    2/3 of all the money spent by the Trump campaign in 2020 was to one company called AMMC. It is a Delaware LLC and protected by the privacy laws of that state. The first managing director of that company was Lara Trump, now in charge of cleaning out the funds of the GOP. The money received in 2020 by the company was over $500m!! It is not obvious what, if anything, that money was spent on.

    In 2024 the same thing is happening again. Trump is taking in less than Harris but the majority of it is going to AMMC and then simply vanishing.

    It looks and smells like blatant fraud on a truly epic scale. Again.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,173
    .

    ydoethur said:

    Comparing Botham to Johnson seems a tad generous for the former PM. No-one would doubt beefy's credential as a legend of the game. I'd have thought Phil Tufnell would be a better one.

    Given Starmer's historic achievement in the election, gaining 211 seats(!), the only cricketing comparison that seems reasonable would be Donald Bradman. Are the Tories set to try bodyline tactics as the only way to undo the great man?

    Perhaps more Douglas Jardine? The slippery customer who tamed Bradman but managed to blame everyone else for his actions?
    What we really need here for Johnson is someone who was an effective (if unpleasant) winner who, by the way they won, made things impossible for their successors.

    Tricky.
    Jardine isn’t a terrible comparison, then.
    His tactics got the rules changed to ban them, and England didn’t win again for two full decades.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,173
    edited August 26
    DavidL said:

    This is an astonishing but well researched story on Daily Kos: https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2024/8/26/2265800/-Trump-raises-less-money-than-Harris-and-how-he-spends-it-is-a-mystery?pm_campaign=front_page&pm_source=top_news_slot_1&pm_medium=web

    2/3 of all the money spent by the Trump campaign in 2020 was to one company called AMMC. It is a Delaware LLC and protected by the privacy laws of that state. The first managing director of that company was Lara Trump, now in charge of cleaning out the funds of the GOP. The money received in 2020 by the company was over $500m!! It is not obvious what, if anything, that money was spent on.

    In 2024 the same thing is happening again. Trump is taking in less than Harris but the majority of it is going to AMMC and then simply vanishing.

    It looks and smells like blatant fraud on a truly epic scale. Again.

    It’s not astonishing; it’s almost predictable.

    This time round he more of it’s going in legal fees.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 28,399

    ydoethur said:

    This is what conservatives with functioning brains think of Trump's campaign performance:

    https://eu.usatoday.com/story/opinion/columnist/2024/08/25/trump-harris-2024-election/74863488007/

    Trump's biggest hurdle is not President Joe Biden, Vice President Harris or her running mate, Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz.

    Trump's biggest obstacle is Trump.

    I've listened to Trump speak hundreds of times. Reporting on a news conference is a nightmare because Trump cannot commit to the self-discipline that it takes to prepare ahead of time, pare his thoughts to a handful of strong talking points and then cogently answer questions on what his administration would look like.

    Trump insists on coming across like a moron. I'm not saying he is one, but he sounds like one. His thoughts and ideas flow with a stream of consciousness that makes William Faulkner look like a children's nursery rhyme. He jumps from idea to idea like a hip-hop artist doing a break dancing routine at the Olympic level.

    As a result, he's unable to make a strong case for anything − and politics is nothing if not the art of persuasion − even though he actually has the record to show he accomplished good things for America during his previous administration.


    And mark - this is one of his *supporters* speaking.

    "He's not as much of a moron as he sounds" is probably the best case a Trump advocate can make right now.

    (The reality is that he's always been like this- but the pace and pizzazz that used to cover it has gone.)
    Yes, and it is a point I've previously made against Trump's detractors when they attack him over the shark dilemma and other irrelevancies. It is important to distinguish genuine brain freezes and fades from what is just, and always has been, Trump's schtick.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 5,053

    This is all getting silly now. But anyway:

    Cameron = David Gower
    Theresa May = Geoff Boycott
    Boris Johnson = Phil Tufnell
    Rishi Sunak = Mark Ramprakash/Mark Lathwell

    Liz Truss? Okay I'm stumped.

    Starmer = Chris Tavare
    Truss = Shaun Udal
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,012
    Nigelb said:

    DavidL said:

    This is an astonishing but well researched story on Daily Kos: https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2024/8/26/2265800/-Trump-raises-less-money-than-Harris-and-how-he-spends-it-is-a-mystery?pm_campaign=front_page&pm_source=top_news_slot_1&pm_medium=web

    2/3 of all the money spent by the Trump campaign in 2020 was to one company called AMMC. It is a Delaware LLC and protected by the privacy laws of that state. The first managing director of that company was Lara Trump, now in charge of cleaning out the funds of the GOP. The money received in 2020 by the company was over $500m!! It is not obvious what, if anything, that money was spent on.

    In 2024 the same thing is happening again. Trump is taking in less than Harris but the majority of it is going to AMMC and then simply vanishing.

    It looks and smells like blatant fraud on a truly epic scale. Again.

    It’s not astonishing; it’s almost predictable.

    This time round he more of it’s going in legal fees.
    $18m has gone to a company specifically set up for that purpose referred to in the article. No wonder most people are increasingly reluctant to contribute to his campaign.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,173
    Nigelb said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Possibly. Or a harbinger.

    The thing is, we keep waiting for something else crazy to happen, but at the moment all the crazy is coming from Trump. He rings Fox News, randomly dials buttons on his phone while speaking, rambles weirdly about Harris' race in an highly racist way to an audience of non-white journalists and puts out an AI altered photo that appears to show him humping a lion.

    What if the crazy gets worse? We might be entering feedback loop territory where his mental health problems become more acute the further he falls behind - and the more acute they become, the further he falls.

    And, of course, next month we have sentencing in New York and the appeal of his fraud conviction.
    The morning thread is cricket themed as I compare Starmer to a test cricketer.
    Ollie Robinson? Starts promisingly but then underlying issues mean everyone hates him and he gets dropped for inferior models like Potts?
    Wait until the morning, I suspect my comparison will be controversial.
    Or Beefy??
    Hick ?
    - after dominating all opposition, finally gets promotion to the big time, and proves a massive disappointment.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,099
    @bpolitics

    Donald Trump says he would give Elon Musk a cabinet job, adding that that it was likelier that he’d involve him as a federal cost-cutting consultant

    https://x.com/bpolitics/status/1828149283268296767
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,709

    ydoethur said:

    Comparing Botham to Johnson seems a tad generous for the former PM. No-one would doubt beefy's credential as a legend of the game. I'd have thought Phil Tufnell would be a better one.

    Given Starmer's historic achievement in the election, gaining 211 seats(!), the only cricketing comparison that seems reasonable would be Donald Bradman. Are the Tories set to try bodyline tactics as the only way to undo the great man?

    Perhaps more Douglas Jardine? The slippery customer who tamed Bradman but managed to blame everyone else for his actions?
    What we really need here for Johnson is someone who was an effective (if unpleasant) winner who, by the way they won, made things impossible for their successors.

    Tricky.
    Brian Lara?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 28,399

    ydoethur said:

    Couple of possible trading bets:

    Missouri. Reddish state. Abortion is on the ballot. The Republican Senate candidate is leading the anti-abortion charge. If Harris is really starting to pull ten points clear it might come into play.

    And for a crazy left-field bet:

    Arkansas. Arkansas's Republican-packed Supreme Court has just backed the Secretary of State's procedural dismissal of a ballot on abortion. This was a popular ballot - it exceeded the threshold of signature by 12% without breaking a sweat - and the Republican hierarchy have foolishly been gloating that they introduced and have now kept a total ban on abortion.

    Even with that, if Arkansas goes blue it will be a colossal landslide for Harris, but it may come in in price.

    Arkansas elected Bill Clinton as Governor.
    I remember a British political pundit trying to sound very well-informed about America pronouncing it “Are Kansas”.
    That sounds unlikely. Maybe he was caught out by an awkward line break or was trying to be funny but anyone who grew up watching Dick Dastardly (Wacky Races) would be familiar with the Arkansas Chuggabug.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,444

    This is all getting silly now. But anyway:

    Cameron = David Gower
    Theresa May = Geoff Boycott
    Boris Johnson = Phil Tufnell
    Rishi Sunak = Mark Ramprakash/Mark Lathwell

    Liz Truss? Okay I'm stumped.

    Starmer = Chris Tavare
    Truss = Shaun Udal
    Harsh on Udal (yes, I am biased). Actually, the Seldon serialisation in The Times has nailed it. All Truss was missing was the temperament, and that was the most important thing of all. Rare to get that failing in cricket, though Pietersen came close.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,173
    FRIDAY: Arizona Police Association endorses Trump over Harris for president

    MONDAY: Arizona Police Association endorses Gallego over Lake for Senate

    https://x.com/sahilkapur/status/1828144617818333491
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,934
    Barnesian said:

    Barnesian said:

    HYUFD said:

    A new Echelon national poll meanwhile which finished polling yesterday has Harris and Trump tied at 48% each after the Democratic convention and Kennedy Jr left the race and endorsed Trump
    "August 2024 Verified Voter Omnibus - Echelon Insights" https://echeloninsights.com/in-the-news/aug2024-verified-voterromnibus/

    And a new Kaplan survey on the 24th has Harris at 52% to Trump's 45%
    This is the EMA for Harris's lead since Biden stepped down.



    It is very easy to believe there are two sets of polls in the US: 1) those aimed at trying to assess the true state of opinion in the country and 2) those aimed at showing a fight to the death between two equal opponents. Option 2) will continue as it sells better - or at least until it is too far adrift to look credible. At that point, the way to sell will switch to chronicling the crazy rantings of somebody circling the drain.

    Option 2) will also sell, probably better: with the morbid fascination of former supporters being fed along with the unalloyed joy of Never Trumpers.
  • Nigelb said:

    FRIDAY: Arizona Police Association endorses Trump over Harris for president

    MONDAY: Arizona Police Association endorses Gallego over Lake for Senate

    https://x.com/sahilkapur/status/1828144617818333491

    It's quite odd that a police association would endorse a candidate at all.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,709
    Nigelb said:

    FRIDAY: Arizona Police Association endorses Trump over Harris for president

    MONDAY: Arizona Police Association endorses Gallego over Lake for Senate

    https://x.com/sahilkapur/status/1828144617818333491

    We support nutters!

    No, not somebody THAT nutty!
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,928

    This is all getting silly now. But anyway:

    Cameron = David Gower
    Theresa May = Geoff Boycott
    Boris Johnson = Phil Tufnell
    Rishi Sunak = Mark Ramprakash/Mark Lathwell

    Liz Truss? Okay I'm stumped.

    Starmer = Chris Tavare
    Truss = Shaun Udal
    Harsh on Udal (yes, I am biased). Actually, the Seldon serialisation in The Times has nailed it. All Truss was missing was the temperament, and that was the most important thing of all. Rare to get that failing in cricket, though Pietersen came close.
    That sounds more like Gordon Brown! Did Seldon think that was her one weakness?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,709

    Nigelb said:

    FRIDAY: Arizona Police Association endorses Trump over Harris for president

    MONDAY: Arizona Police Association endorses Gallego over Lake for Senate

    https://x.com/sahilkapur/status/1828144617818333491

    It's quite odd that a police association would endorse a candidate at all.
    Fair cop.

    Or not...
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,897
    DavidL said:

    Nigelb said:

    The Ukrainian Air Force says Russia launched 236 missiles and UAVs today, including:
    -3 Kinzhal air-launched ballistic missile
    -6 Iskander-M / KN-23 ballistic missiles
    -77 Kh-101 cruise missiles
    -28 Kalibr cruise missiles
    -3 Kh-22 cruise missiles
    -10 Kh-59 / Kh-69 air-to-surface missiles from Su-57 and Su-34 aircraft
    -109 Shahed-131 / 136

    https://x.com/RALee85/status/1828109957356487086

    The evidence that they are running out of modern armaments because of sanctions etc is...mixed.
    It doesn't seem to have been that hard for Russia to source Western components via third countries. This is disappointing, to put it mildly.

    The Ukrainians find it exasperating, to say the least.

    And then the US doesn't want them to shoot back.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,682

    DavidL said:

    Nigelb said:

    The Ukrainian Air Force says Russia launched 236 missiles and UAVs today, including:
    -3 Kinzhal air-launched ballistic missile
    -6 Iskander-M / KN-23 ballistic missiles
    -77 Kh-101 cruise missiles
    -28 Kalibr cruise missiles
    -3 Kh-22 cruise missiles
    -10 Kh-59 / Kh-69 air-to-surface missiles from Su-57 and Su-34 aircraft
    -109 Shahed-131 / 136

    https://x.com/RALee85/status/1828109957356487086

    The evidence that they are running out of modern armaments because of sanctions etc is...mixed.
    It doesn't seem to have been that hard for Russia to source Western components via third countries. This is disappointing, to put it mildly.

    The Ukrainians find it exasperating, to say the least.

    And then the US doesn't want them to shoot back.
    Arthur Harris dragged in planes from everywhere he could in order to launch the first 'Thousand Bomber' raid. He used coastal command, training groups, and many pretty much obsolete types. It was a one off for a longish time as the RAF build up capacity.
    I get the sense that this is a one off from Putin in a similar mould. Surely they would do this every day if they could?
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,897
    Interesting changes on Nate's Silver Bulletin.

    Harris is +1.8 over the last week nationally, but only +0.2 in PA. Pennsylvania doesn't want to swing.

    This means that AV and NV are nearly more likely wins for Harris than PA at the moment, with leads respectively of 1.5, 1.3 and 1.7

    It's not obvious which states the increase in Harris's lead is coming from. None of the battleground states have Harris gaining more than 1.1, so presumably she's picking up votes disproportionally in safe and/no-one hope states - though that may help down ballot races.
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,316

    This is all getting silly now. But anyway:

    Cameron = David Gower
    Theresa May = Geoff Boycott
    Boris Johnson = Phil Tufnell
    Rishi Sunak = Mark Ramprakash/Mark Lathwell

    Liz Truss? Okay I'm stumped.

    Starmer = Chris Tavare
    Truss = Shaun Udal
    Truss = Tony Pigott
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,807

    ydoethur said:

    Comparing Botham to Johnson seems a tad generous for the former PM. No-one would doubt beefy's credential as a legend of the game. I'd have thought Phil Tufnell would be a better one.

    Given Starmer's historic achievement in the election, gaining 211 seats(!), the only cricketing comparison that seems reasonable would be Donald Bradman. Are the Tories set to try bodyline tactics as the only way to undo the great man?

    Perhaps more Douglas Jardine? The slippery customer who tamed Bradman but managed to blame everyone else for his actions?
    What we really need here for Johnson is someone who was an effective (if unpleasant) winner who, by the way they won, made things impossible for their successors.

    Tricky.
    'Long Boris' being responsible for the Tories election defeat is a PB centrist dad myth, to avoid facing the fact that their much heralded 'grown ups' managed to recover control of the Tory Party and promptly buggered it up. Johnson didn't make it impossible for his successors - they both had a fair crack of the whip. Truss fluffed her chance to turn things around, and Sunk never tried to turn things around.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 4,974

    This is all getting silly now. But anyway:

    Cameron = David Gower
    Theresa May = Geoff Boycott
    Boris Johnson = Phil Tufnell
    Rishi Sunak = Mark Ramprakash/Mark Lathwell

    Liz Truss? Okay I'm stumped.

    Starmer = Chris Tavare
    Truss = Shaun Udal
    Truss = Tony Pigott
    Darren Pattinson?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,173
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    Nigelb said:

    FRIDAY: Arizona Police Association endorses Trump over Harris for president

    MONDAY: Arizona Police Association endorses Gallego over Lake for Senate

    https://x.com/sahilkapur/status/1828144617818333491

    It's quite odd that a police association would endorse a candidate at all.
    Don’t forget that in the US they also elect the leaders of local law enforcement.
    It’s a very different setup.

    Seems to be an umbrella union/ lobby group for a large number of local police associations.
    https://azpolice.org/about-us/
    We are a 501(c)(5) non-profit public service organization whose mission is to represent the collective interest of our member associations in matters involving legal perspectives, compensation, benefits, and retirement security.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,444

    This is all getting silly now. But anyway:

    Cameron = David Gower
    Theresa May = Geoff Boycott
    Boris Johnson = Phil Tufnell
    Rishi Sunak = Mark Ramprakash/Mark Lathwell

    Liz Truss? Okay I'm stumped.

    Starmer = Chris Tavare
    Truss = Shaun Udal
    Harsh on Udal (yes, I am biased). Actually, the Seldon serialisation in The Times has nailed it. All Truss was missing was the temperament, and that was the most important thing of all. Rare to get that failing in cricket, though Pietersen came close.
    That sounds more like Gordon Brown! Did Seldon think that was her one weakness?
    Pretty much. And unlike Brown, her temperament was so flaky that it all blew up in a couple of months, whereas Brown kept a show of sorts on the road for a couple of years.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,173

    ydoethur said:

    Comparing Botham to Johnson seems a tad generous for the former PM. No-one would doubt beefy's credential as a legend of the game. I'd have thought Phil Tufnell would be a better one.

    Given Starmer's historic achievement in the election, gaining 211 seats(!), the only cricketing comparison that seems reasonable would be Donald Bradman. Are the Tories set to try bodyline tactics as the only way to undo the great man?

    Perhaps more Douglas Jardine? The slippery customer who tamed Bradman but managed to blame everyone else for his actions?
    What we really need here for Johnson is someone who was an effective (if unpleasant) winner who, by the way they won, made things impossible for their successors.

    Tricky.
    'Long Boris' being responsible for the Tories election defeat is a PB centrist dad myth, to avoid facing the fact that their much heralded 'grown ups' managed to recover control of the Tory Party and promptly buggered it up. Johnson didn't make it impossible for his successors - they both had a fair crack of the whip. Truss fluffed her chance to turn things around, and Sunk never tried to turn things around.
    They were all shit, and they were all in his administration.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,173
    Note for Barty.

    3 things that slow the pace of epigenetic aging, from my conversation with
    @prof_horvath, the pioneer of these clocks
    —Exercise
    —More vegetables in diet
    —GLP-1 drugs
    In the new Ground Truths podcast (link in profile)
    "Have these findings changed your diet or made you exercise more or anything like that?"
    Steve Horvath:
    "So I eat a lot of frozen vegetables. My freezer is full of frozen vegetables."

    https://x.com/EricTopol/status/1828158492441825555
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,897

    DavidL said:

    Nigelb said:

    The Ukrainian Air Force says Russia launched 236 missiles and UAVs today, including:
    -3 Kinzhal air-launched ballistic missile
    -6 Iskander-M / KN-23 ballistic missiles
    -77 Kh-101 cruise missiles
    -28 Kalibr cruise missiles
    -3 Kh-22 cruise missiles
    -10 Kh-59 / Kh-69 air-to-surface missiles from Su-57 and Su-34 aircraft
    -109 Shahed-131 / 136

    https://x.com/RALee85/status/1828109957356487086

    The evidence that they are running out of modern armaments because of sanctions etc is...mixed.
    It doesn't seem to have been that hard for Russia to source Western components via third countries. This is disappointing, to put it mildly.

    The Ukrainians find it exasperating, to say the least.

    And then the US doesn't want them to shoot back.
    Arthur Harris dragged in planes from everywhere he could in order to launch the first 'Thousand Bomber' raid. He used coastal command, training groups, and many pretty much obsolete types. It was a one off for a longish time as the RAF build up capacity.
    I get the sense that this is a one off from Putin in a similar mould. Surely they would do this every day if they could?
    Yes. I haven't added up the numbers, but I think the totals suggest that Russia is able to produce a limited number of missiles per day. Something like 3. So they save them up to use in large enough numbers to overwhelm Ukrainian air defences.

    But the ones they are producing contain Western components. If sanctions were effective then it's possible Russia wouldn't be able to produce any missiles at all.

    I'm not sure what the current Western production rates of long range weapons are. I think it's still zero for Storm Shadow and zero for ATACMs, and it's zero for anything we give them that Ukraine are allowed to use on targets deep inside Russia.

    Hopefully Ukraine will be able to soon produce lots of its own long-range weapons, such as the new missile-drone.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,807
    Nigelb said:

    ydoethur said:

    Comparing Botham to Johnson seems a tad generous for the former PM. No-one would doubt beefy's credential as a legend of the game. I'd have thought Phil Tufnell would be a better one.

    Given Starmer's historic achievement in the election, gaining 211 seats(!), the only cricketing comparison that seems reasonable would be Donald Bradman. Are the Tories set to try bodyline tactics as the only way to undo the great man?

    Perhaps more Douglas Jardine? The slippery customer who tamed Bradman but managed to blame everyone else for his actions?
    What we really need here for Johnson is someone who was an effective (if unpleasant) winner who, by the way they won, made things impossible for their successors.

    Tricky.
    'Long Boris' being responsible for the Tories election defeat is a PB centrist dad myth, to avoid facing the fact that their much heralded 'grown ups' managed to recover control of the Tory Party and promptly buggered it up. Johnson didn't make it impossible for his successors - they both had a fair crack of the whip. Truss fluffed her chance to turn things around, and Sunk never tried to turn things around.
    They were all shit, and they were all in his administration.
    Fostering talent wasn't a Boris strong point. Truss and Sunak both followed him in the same vein - cliquey talent-lean cabinets.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,330
    Barnesian said:

    If you can't use s apostrophe s for Harris's, when can you use s apostrophe s?

    It definitely used to be a thing, but teachers like @ydoethur seem determined to abolish it for some reason

    I pronounce it Harris's not Harris' so that's how I write it.
    More than one syllable in the base word, so you are correct.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,173
    Republicans apparently hate dogs as well as cats.
    https://x.com/Eric_Schmitt/status/1828088257147752656

    Unless they’re pitching for Leon’s vote, I don’t think this is a winning message.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,807
    Eabhal said:



    David Davis campaigning to abolish our unfair extradition treaty with the US in memory of Mike Lynch.

    It's an important campaign (one that Lynch himself was planning when he died) and frankly a brave one. We'll have matured as a nation when it succeeds.

    I think we should start a PB tradition of principled posts accompanied with our gumtree shopping

    https://www.gumtree.com/p/hobbies-collectibles/new-big-set-of-stamps-russian-warship-go-f-k-ukrposhta-ukraine/1475352763
    Very bizarre, I've no idea how that happened!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KS6A5k8uTp0 - proper link.

  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,807
    Eabhal said:
    Interesting item - don't agree with the cause though.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,268
    Carnyx said:

    Barnesian said:

    If you can't use s apostrophe s for Harris's, when can you use s apostrophe s?

    It definitely used to be a thing, but teachers like @ydoethur seem determined to abolish it for some reason

    I pronounce it Harris's not Harris' so that's how I write it.
    More than one syllable in the base word, so you are correct.
    Would you say Dickens’ books or Dickens’s books?
  • kamskikamski Posts: 5,208
    Carnyx said:

    Barnesian said:

    If you can't use s apostrophe s for Harris's, when can you use s apostrophe s?

    It definitely used to be a thing, but teachers like @ydoethur seem determined to abolish it for some reason

    I pronounce it Harris's not Harris' so that's how I write it.
    More than one syllable in the base word, so you are correct.
    ?
    Surely nobody writes
    Roger Waters's album
    Or
    Moses's tablets
    I agree with Barnesian - it follows pronunciation. Though some people write Harris'
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,471

    Carnyx said:

    Barnesian said:

    If you can't use s apostrophe s for Harris's, when can you use s apostrophe s?

    It definitely used to be a thing, but teachers like @ydoethur seem determined to abolish it for some reason

    I pronounce it Harris's not Harris' so that's how I write it.
    More than one syllable in the base word, so you are correct.
    Would you say Dickens’ books or Dickens’s books?
    Dickins cider again.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,173
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    dixiedean said:

    Carnyx said:

    Barnesian said:

    If you can't use s apostrophe s for Harris's, when can you use s apostrophe s?

    It definitely used to be a thing, but teachers like @ydoethur seem determined to abolish it for some reason

    I pronounce it Harris's not Harris' so that's how I write it.
    More than one syllable in the base word, so you are correct.
    Would you say Dickens’ books or Dickens’s books?
    Dickins cider again.
    Makes a good case for Dickens’s.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,945
    Any Vera fans on PB?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,805
    For those of you struggling with the possessive, I give you BBC Bitesize Year 3 punctuation:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/articles/zx9ydxs#zkqmfdm
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,330
    kamski said:

    Carnyx said:

    Barnesian said:

    If you can't use s apostrophe s for Harris's, when can you use s apostrophe s?

    It definitely used to be a thing, but teachers like @ydoethur seem determined to abolish it for some reason

    I pronounce it Harris's not Harris' so that's how I write it.
    More than one syllable in the base word, so you are correct.
    ?
    Surely nobody writes
    Roger Waters's album
    Or
    Moses's tablets
    I agree with Barnesian - it follows pronunciation. Though some people write Harris'
    It's the older rule. Can't go wrong with an older rule if in serious doubt. Nobody can claim it's wrong.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,882
    Nigelb said:

    https://www.gumtree.com/p/nissan/nissan-qashqai-hatchback-2010-manual-1461-cc-5-doors/1485198026

    David Davis campaigning to abolish our unfair extradition treaty with the US in memory of Mike Lynch.

    It's an important campaign (one that Lynch himself was planning when he died) and frankly a brave one. We'll have matured as a nation when it succeeds.

    He gave a long interview to the BBC shortly after returning to the UK, during which he talked about it in some detail, emphasising that had he not been very wealthy, it would have been virtually impossible to afford the legal representation necessary to fight the charges,

    The US criminal justice system is even more flawed than ours, and the essentially zero standard of evidence required for extradition, to a country where it’s hard to get a fair trial without bankrupting yourself, was a manifest injustice back when the treaty was agreed.
    Here's the link again. Well worth 24 minutes of your time.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0jkc9l9
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,945
    Interesting.

    "One in eight people diagnosed with dementia ‘may have liver disease instead’

    Cognitive symptoms are similar to those caused by hepatic encephalopathy, which is caused by cirrhosis and is treatable"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/08/26/one-in-eight-diagnosed-dementia-may-have-liver-disease/
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,316
    edited August 26

    For those of you struggling with the possessive, I give you BBC Bitesize Year 3 punctuation:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/articles/zx9ydxs#zkqmfdm

    It's a question of euphony and sometimes subjective.

    The BBC is wrong about "Iris's cat" imho.

    But "Mr Daniels' dog bit Mr Roberts's cat" is acceptable, and illustrates the problem. It's what most people would say.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,471
    Andy_JS said:

    Any Vera fans on PB?

    Am always astonished how the murders in Northumberland tend to happen in Bamburgh or Hexham.
    Rather than a crackhouse in Blyth or a dodgy boozer in Prudhoe.
    Went passed a taped off section by a scenic part of the Wansbeck a couple of months ago on the way to work. Disappointingly it turned out to be Vera filming.
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