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  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 31,231

    Indeed. Only from Lucky's extreme right-wing promontory does Clarkson seem in any way liberal.

    Then again, since he (Luckyguy1983) thinks Clarkson's attack on Meghan Markle was designed to help her, we should remember that his judgement is, er, somewhat suspect.
    I have always found the Murdoch press (his article appeared in The Sun) and all of its outlets to have fairly opaque agendas that aren't easily discernible. One part could be condemning Meghan Markle, another part could be negotiating a book deal with her. I think its naive to assume the pieces don't fit together, just as its naive to wave an article like that through editorial/legal etc.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,785

    Why always a Saturday?
    Day job running Twitter?
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 31,231
    edited August 2024

    Indeed. Only from Lucky's extreme right-wing promontory does Clarkson seem in any way liberal.

    Then again, since he (Luckyguy1983) thinks Clarkson's attack on Meghan Markle was designed to help her, we should remember that his judgement is, er, somewhat suspect.
    Oh, and I'm the extreme right now am I? Gosh, I do hope you don't run out of adjectives.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 15,129

    I use the term in its losest sense. I wouldn't describe many left wing people these days as liberal.
    I can't imagine barring SKS would go down too well in the Cotswolds. Seems a very poor marketing move. The downside strikes me as far greater thanthe upside.

    I think SKS is wrong about plenty, but I'd give him a) my business and b) the time of day. Hell, I'd give Corbyn the time of day. Are there any politicians I wouldn't interact with? Probably only Gerry Adams and his associates. Actual mouthpieces for murderers and gangsters.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 35,014
    "BORIS JOHNSON: Welcome to Starmer's Britain... twinned with Orwell's 1984"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-13773239/BORIS-JOHNSON-Starmer-Orwell-1984-ill.html
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,870
    ydoethur said:

    Day job running Twitter?
    LOL.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,441

    Why always a Saturday?
    There is an Excel spreadsheet in Accra or where-the-fuck-ever that says hit this site on this day. There is no more sophistication than that.

    Imagine how shit the British government's Russian language psy-ops on VK are and that's the equivalent of what we occasionally see on As sabt.
  • Labour want a big state but simply want to shift the featherbedding from pensioners to union members.
    That's the least bad option then.

    Union members are actually going to work for a living and providing services people need.

    Those just sat at home demanding more welfare are not.

    Your party may actually be worth voting for again when it starts to care, as it used to, about people in the private sector going to work and not merely those who sit on welfare taking from those who work - both public and private.
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,604
    Cookie said:

    I can't imagine barring SKS would go down too well in the Cotswolds. Seems a very poor marketing move. The downside strikes me as far greater thanthe upside.

    I think SKS is wrong about plenty, but I'd give him a) my business and b) the time of day. Hell, I'd give Corbyn the time of day. Are there any politicians I wouldn't interact with? Probably only Gerry Adams and his associates. Actual mouthpieces for murderers and gangsters.
    It's just conceivable that SKS has better things to do with his time than to queue for two hours to get into a bar.
  • James Milner still being a starting midfield in the EPL at the age of 38 is quite a testament to his long term professionalism (and a bit of luck).
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 77,466

    I think Clarkson is Cameroon Tory/Orange Book.

    Nothing about him makes me think he might be anything different.
    Clarkson isn't really politics.
    He's more a multi millionaire permanently cosplaying the 80s/90s.

    Nothing wrong with that, and he's hardly the only person ever to be nostalgic about the past.

  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 31,231

    That's the least bad option then.

    Union members are actually going to work for a living and providing services people need.

    Those just sat at home demanding more welfare are not.

    Your party may actually be worth voting for again when it starts to care, as it used to, about people in the private sector going to work and not merely those who sit on welfare taking from those who work - both public and private.
    The Government agreeing (why is it even the Government's business I ask again) to pay train drivers a vast amount more than their work/skill-set should cost on the open market (I feel so sorry for poor bus drivers) to avoid strike action is the worst socialist garbage and it should be condemned by any libertarian.
  • Andy_JS said:

    "BORIS JOHNSON: Welcome to Starmer's Britain... twinned with Orwell's 1984"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-13773239/BORIS-JOHNSON-Starmer-Orwell-1984-ill.html

    Has any other ex-Prime Minister (and few things are more ex- than an ex-Prime Minister) made so much noise to so little end?
  • It's just conceivable that SKS has better things to do with his time than to queue for two hours to get into a bar.
    Clarkson barring SKS from his pub is about as meaningful as me barring Scarlett Johansson from my bed.
  • TresTres Posts: 2,845

    The Government agreeing (why is it even the Government's business I ask again) to pay train drivers a vast amount more than their work/skill-set should cost on the open market (I feel so sorry for poor bus drivers) to avoid strike action is the worst socialist garbage and it should be condemned by any libertarian.
    There is no open market for train drivers. It is a skilled job that requires training and the only people that can deliver the training are former train drivers.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,864

    It's just conceivable that SKS has better things to do with his time than to queue for two hours to get into a bar.
    And who the feck would want to spend their money in a boozer run by that arsehole Clarkson?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,433
    rcs1000 said:

    I presume Winston was paid by the post.

    And if he hadn't strayed onto his Ukrainian talking points ("Russia winning is good for the Ukrainian people because now they won't have to die fighting off the invaders!"), I would have probably let him stay.

    11 posts in 18 minutes. At that rate he'd have got to 100k posts by the end of the year.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 31,231

    Has any other ex-Prime Minister (and few things are more ex- than an ex-Prime Minister) made so much noise to so little end?
    Rishi Sunak made a stir being photographed on Twitter attending the democratic convention. But then they were short-handed on the burger stall.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,785
    edited August 2024

    Has any other ex-Prime Minister (and few things are more ex- than an ex-Prime Minister) made so much noise to so little end?
    Well, ironically I would suggest Churchill as a parallel, although he spent most of his time slagging off his predecessors rather than his successors.

    Lloyd George would perhaps be another example.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,156
    edited August 2024
    I am sorry and ashamed after BBC sacking - Jenas
    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy9enw5xp2qo

    There is either a lot more to this story or the BBC will be sacking people every other week. Two people flirting via text, no unsolicited dick pics or paying 17 year old drug addicts for dirty photos, seems a very low bar to getting sacked.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,620
    edited August 2024
    eek said:

    He's 100% right but what dataset do you use to identify the people who qualify? Remember the point I've repeated since the day this was announced - the only datasets available are all pensioners or those getting pension credit,
    Agree with both of you.

    Especially as DWP have made a huge mess of dealing with the income from the state pension as far as income tax is concerned. No P60 from them. And to make it worse, totally confusing instructions on how to work out the notional income for the tax return - which, in contrast to all other taxed income (except for some special cases), is not what one actually receives in the year from 6 April. HMRC have ended up basically telling people to have a stab but we'll change it anyway for you: which leaves open the question, how can one be sure it is correct|?

    The mess left by the Tories at HMRC, and their messing about with basic state pension versus income tax allowance, is going to hit the fan in the current crop of income taxt returns, with many new OAP tax returners. For which one only has two months to complete them, if one has not got an online return facility - and the latter have to be applied for and have all sorts of hiccups as Mrs C is currently discovering.

    And add also the change under the Tories to unlimited penalties, rather than something pro rata with the actual shortfall ...

    Anyway, all this also makes accurate means testing very difficult if one is relying on HMRC data. Either that or lots of forms etc. etc. which cost money to administer.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 77,466
    The psychology here is quite something.

    Trump: Barack Hussein Obama. He was nasty to me. Michelle was nasty. They are all nasty. I was surprised, I was sort of nice to him.. it didn’t matter..
    https://x.com/Acyn/status/1827135454979747903
  • I am sorry and ashamed after BBC sacking - Jenas
    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy9enw5xp2qo

    There is either a lot more to this story or the BBC will be sacking people every other week. Two people flirting via text, no unsolicited dick pics or paying 17 year old drug addicts for dirty photos, seems a very low bar to getting sacked.

    Similar to Philip Schofield maybe, the power differential?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 77,466
    That was then..

    RFK Jr said that people in politics who deny climate change (like Trump) are “contemptible human beings,” and should be prosecuted at The Hague and put in prison as war criminals.
    https://x.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1827083096015172097
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,156
    edited August 2024

    Similar to Philip Schofield maybe, the power differential?
    Schofield was far more dodgy than what's reported here. As reported its was two adults who work together, went out drinking, dirty texts to one another and that was it. His wife obviously has every right to sack him, but as I say seems a low bar given the well known shenanigans of the "talent" in the media world. Either the BBC have overreacted or there is a bit more to it e.g. Vernon Kay is going to have to go as well, dirty texts every day for 4 months to 4 or 5 different women.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,628
    Andy_JS said:

    "BORIS JOHNSON: Welcome to Starmer's Britain... twinned with Orwell's 1984"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-13773239/BORIS-JOHNSON-Starmer-Orwell-1984-ill.html

    Boris is Winston!
    As he’s been telling anyone who will listen..
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 77,466
    RFK comparing himself to Russian dissidents.

    RFK Jr: "President Biden mocked Vladimir Putin's 88 percent landslide in the Russian elections ... "
    https://x.com/atrupar/status/1827057768387264712
  • Boris is Winston!
    As he’s been telling anyone who will listen..
    He is certainly Churchill....as in the dog out the adverts.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,785

    He is certainly Churchill....as in the dog out the adverts.
    Oooooaaah, YESSS!
  • The Government agreeing (why is it even the Government's business I ask again) to pay train drivers a vast amount more than their work/skill-set should cost on the open market (I feel so sorry for poor bus drivers) to avoid strike action is the worst socialist garbage and it should be condemned by any libertarian.
    I do condemn it. I am explicit in saying I want to see the Governmemt not putting a single penny of taxpayers money into subsidising the rails. Let the train drivers wages come entirely from train passengers ticket fares.

    The drivers are providing a service to their passengers. The passengers are demanding a service from their driver. It should be between them and their intermediaries how much that service is worth and every penny of a pay rise should be put into rail fares.

    If passengers are prepared to pay more for the service, then they clearly value the drivers services enough that they're worth it. If they're not and choose alternative transport instead like driving themselves rather than getting a train driver to drive them on their behalf, then they're not and the train drivers can lose their jobs unless prices come down.

    It should have nothing to do with the taxpayers.

    However no party advocates this.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,392

    46% going either once a week or once a fortnight is pretty strong.

    I expect a good chunk of the rest go too, but less occasionally. Those with very young families, or perhaps the elderly or sick, far less, and there's probably a gender skew in it too. Males more than females.

    However, outside the "dry" and religious, it's still a huge feature of work and personal social life.

    I can't think of anyone who wouldn't go, if asked or invited.
    On the contrary I drink plenty as do most of my friends, we just do it away from a pub. If it was not for the fact my father insists on going to the pub for his sunday lunchtime I would quite happily never set foot in a pub ever again, same goes for most of the people I know.

    Whats the attraction of a pub these days...over priced drinks, music that often is so loud its impossible to talk. Nah much better to meet up round someone elses house and play board games while chatting and drinking and probably costs you less than the price of two pints.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 77,466
    Harris certainly introduced herself to the US.

    Just in from Nielsen: The final night of the DNC drew an average of 26.2 million viewers across 15 networks -- roughly 6 million more than the three nights prior.

    Viewership surged during Kamala Harris' speech with 28.9 million viewers tuning in from 10:31pm to 11:11pm ET.

    https://x.com/EWagmeister/status/1827094352746951141
  • Pagan2 said:

    On the contrary I drink plenty as do most of my friends, we just do it away from a pub. If it was not for the fact my father insists on going to the pub for his sunday lunchtime I would quite happily never set foot in a pub ever again, same goes for most of the people I know.

    Whats the attraction of a pub these days...over priced drinks, music that often is so loud its impossible to talk. Nah much better to meet up round someone elses house and play board games while chatting and drinking and probably costs you less than the price of two pints.
    Sounds like pubs round your way are a bit shit.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 77,466

    Oh, and I'm the extreme right now am I? Gosh, I do hope you don't run out of adjectives.
    Yes, that was unfair.
    You're more the eccentric right.
  • PJHPJH Posts: 840

    I am sorry and ashamed after BBC sacking - Jenas
    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy9enw5xp2qo

    There is either a lot more to this story or the BBC will be sacking people every other week. Two people flirting via text, no unsolicited dick pics or paying 17 year old drug addicts for dirty photos, seems a very low bar to getting sacked.

    It does depend on exactly what was said, but based on the little information being given I would expect to be sacked for that.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,392

    Sounds like pubs round your way are a bit shit.
    Grew out of bothering with pubs in my early thirties when I realised the only thing I got was a lighter wallet and four hours of boredom and the pleasure of dealing with drunken fuckwits
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 10,061

    Rishi Sunak made a stir being photographed on Twitter attending the democratic convention. But then they were short-handed on the burger stall.
    Was that a 'black job'?
  • kamskikamski Posts: 6,457
    Winston said:

    RFK Jr. takes the stage and declares that the Democratic Party now represents the OPPOSITE of democracy.

    "As you know, I left that party in October because it had departed so dramatically from the core values that I grew up with. It had become the party of war, censorship, corruption, big pharma, big tech, big ag, and big money. When it abandoned democracy by canceling the primary to conceal the cognitive decline of the sitting president, I left the party to run as an independent."

    https://x.com/VigilantFox/status/1827056215496806658

    This shit can't open his mouth without telling lies, reminds of someone.
  • Tres said:

    There is no open market for train drivers. It is a skilled job that requires training and the only people that can deliver the training are former train drivers.
    Indeed, though every single penny of a train drivers wages should be paid by the drivers passengers (including the firms paying for cargo to be moved for cargo trains).

    If the passengers are willing to pay more, that's their choice.

    The general taxpayer should not be making up the difference.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 14,268
    Fishing said:

    It's very different for at least four reasons.

    Firstly, we don't pretend we elect a Prime Minister. Though PMs may try to pretend otherwise, they, as opposed to their party or manifesto, don't have a direct mandate from the people, only an indirect one, which disappears if people lose confidence in them.

    Secondly, since the Cameron reforms, our MPs, unlike members of the Electoral College, are allocated reasonably strictly by population (with the exception of the indefensible Western Isles). Whereas, in the Electoral College, you have the idiotic system that gives far more weight to small states, Thus Wyoming has about three times as much influence as it should given its population, while Pennsylvania, Colorado or Florida have significantly less.

    Thirdly, the MPs and Monarch who choose the Prime Minister engage with him on a regular basis and are always very familiar with him before he gets the top job. They are a much more informed selectorate than the Electoral College, which generally consists of fourth-rate hacks with time on their hands - a bit like our House of Lords.

    Fourthly, in most states implicity, and in many implicity, members of the Electoral College have no discretion as to whom to vote for, unlike MPs and Party Members, who can vote against an underperforming PM. They are simply automatons.

    So our system is very different, and though it has its quirks, I would say it is considerably better, maybe because it wasn't designed as a fudge to keep slavery legal.
    Fifthly, we don’t lump constituencies together. Each is of equal size. The US system lumps all of California or Texas into a winner-takes-all arrangement. It would be like giving every Commons seat in Scotland to Labour.
  • Fifthly, we don’t lump constituencies together. Each is of equal size. The US system lumps all of California or Texas into a winner-takes-all arrangement. It would be like giving every Commons seat in Scotland to Labour.
    Or in 2005 giving every English seat to the Conservatives.
  • Clarkson is a funny one. Since before Brexit I've just put him down as a standard Chipping Norton Cameronite liberal - the sort of left wing person who only really associates with the Tory Party in preference to the Labour Party because they'd be terrified if they ever had to meet a member of the working class. Brexit smoked a lot of these types away from the Tories.

    Then there was his vile piece about Meghan Markle - that seemed to me in some odd way calculated to engender public sympathy in her favour - though at immense cost to Clarkson's own media career at that time.

    But now he's supposedly a born-again right winger - even oddly made his peace with Brexit. I don't buy it or trust him, but I do welcome his support for free speech while it lasts.
    I like him. I think he would fit in well around here. A bit like Leon but with a more calibrated trip switch. He is both a showman and also a man with strong independent opinions. He knows how to make use of the latter to promote the former. But even though I diagreed with him on Brexit, I think his basic values and beliefs are sound. He also has that fairly rare quality of being able to recognise his own failings.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 14,268

    Clarkson barring SKS from his pub is about as meaningful as me barring Scarlett Johansson from my bed.
    If Ms Johansson is reading this, I know it must be a shock to be “cancelled” like this. Let me say you will always be welcome in my bed.
  • TresTres Posts: 2,845

    Indeed, though every single penny of a train drivers wages should be paid by the drivers passengers (including the firms paying for cargo to be moved for cargo trains).

    If the passengers are willing to pay more, that's their choice.

    The general taxpayer should not be making up the difference.
    sorry that's bollocks, the general taxpayer derives value from the existence of a railway network even if they aren't direct users
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,595
    edited August 2024

    Oh, and I'm the extreme right now am I? Gosh, I do hope you don't run out of adjectives.
    Could be worse. Could be "radical-". I'd wait until "far-", to be honest.

    It's almost like somebody wrote an article about how difficult it is to measure political concepts:

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2024/01/07/classification/
  • If Ms Johansson is reading this, I know it must be a shock to be “cancelled” like this. Let me say you will always be welcome in my bed.
    I will let her know. ;)
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 14,268

    Indeed, though every single penny of a train drivers wages should be paid by the drivers passengers (including the firms paying for cargo to be moved for cargo trains).

    If the passengers are willing to pay more, that's their choice.

    The general taxpayer should not be making up the difference.
    Do externalities not exist in your world?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 77,466
    I doubt this is actually true - but it would be a felony crime to offer a position in the administration in exchange for political support.

    RFK Jr. says Trump has asked to enlist him in his administration
    https://x.com/samstein/status/1827060898508189854
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,201
    PJH said:

    It does depend on exactly what was said, but based on the little information being given I would expect to be sacked for that.
    The curious thing is that Jenas says that the messages were sent to consenting adults, but there was a complaint made against him. If there was a complaint that rather indicates that there was a lack of consent.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,350
    Nigelb said:

    Harris certainly introduced herself to the US.

    Just in from Nielsen: The final night of the DNC drew an average of 26.2 million viewers across 15 networks -- roughly 6 million more than the three nights prior.

    Viewership surged during Kamala Harris' speech with 28.9 million viewers tuning in from 10:31pm to 11:11pm ET.

    https://x.com/EWagmeister/status/1827094352746951141

    Yeah, but how many of that audience were actually AIs? We have a right to know!
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,785
    Nigelb said:

    I doubt this is actually true - but it would be a felony crime to offer a position in the administration in exchange for political support.

    RFK Jr. says Trump has asked to enlist him in his administration
    https://x.com/samstein/status/1827060898508189854

    I’m not sure why you think that would stop Trump?
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,954
    Andy_JS said:

    "BORIS JOHNSON: Welcome to Starmer's Britain... twinned with Orwell's 1984"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-13773239/BORIS-JOHNSON-Starmer-Orwell-1984-ill.html

    Interesting stats on Reform voters. In general they believe strongly in hang'em, flog'em and lock them up. But when it comes to burning asylum seekers alive it's Starmer's Orwellian Britain that presumes to crack down on common sense.

    Johnson of course is on the bandwagon.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 77,466
    ydoethur said:

    I’m not sure why you think that would stop Trump?
    I don't.
    But it's unlikely that any offer Trump might make would be credible anyway.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 77,466
    Since the GOP have made doing stuff on anniversaries a thing...

    The Trump-Kennedy Pact occurs on the 85th anniversary of the signing of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact between the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany.
    https://x.com/BillKristol/status/1827082100152946980
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,595
    Nice header @Nigelb. Although I think it's too far out to make such a dramatic call, it'll result in major kudos if you get it right. As for betting by states, Coral has markets up: https://sports.coral.co.uk/event/politics/politics-international/us-elections/2024-us-presidential-election-state-betting/31408316/main-markets . It gives 6/4 for North Carolina for the Dems if you are tempted.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,785
    Nigelb said:

    Since the GOP have made doing stuff on anniversaries a thing...

    The Trump-Kennedy Pact occurs on the 85th anniversary of the signing of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact between the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany.
    https://x.com/BillKristol/status/1827082100152946980

    Trump and Kennedy mark Ribbentrop and Molotov?

    So vee it. They are definitely a Nasty duo.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 35,014
    One of the best things about this test match imo? The number of 3s that are being taken. Makes play a lot more exciting.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,156
    edited August 2024

    The curious thing is that Jenas says that the messages were sent to consenting adults, but there was a complaint made against him. If there was a complaint that rather indicates that there was a lack of consent.
    It can be both i.e. it started with both up for it, then regret and not wanting for it to continue and Jenas carrying it on and it becoming a sex pest.
  • Andy_JS said:

    One of the best things about this test match imo? The number of 3s that are being taken. Makes play a lot more exciting.

    England are going to lose this....
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,350
    Nigelb said:

    Since the GOP have made doing stuff on anniversaries a thing...

    The Trump-Kennedy Pact occurs on the 85th anniversary of the signing of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact between the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany.
    https://x.com/BillKristol/status/1827082100152946980

    Rumours abound that since the new DJT and RFK romance has struck up JD Vance is reduced to sleeping on the couch. Whether JD Vance is actually responsible for this rumour is unclear.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 35,014

    England are going to lose this....
    Maybe. I was thinking of going tomorrow so happy to see Sri Lanka batting for longer than expected.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,350
    edited August 2024

    England are going to lose this....
    The fact that their bowling attack looks so utterly toothless in English conditions with a Dukes ball does not bode well for future foreign trips.

    Ok, I am claiming that one.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,156
    edited August 2024
    DavidL said:

    The fact that their bowling attack looks so utterly toothless in English conditions with a Dukes ball does not bode well for future foreign trips.

    Ok, I am claiming that one.
    Obviously I was joking about this match, but yes, absolutely. Woakes is no good away from home and has lost 5-6 mph of pace, I am not sure about Atkinson, Potts isn't good enough and Wood can only bowl 4 at a time and breaks down injured regularly. Not sure we will ever see Archer again at Test level. No left arm seam. So we are back to 4 medium-fast right arm bowlers that rely on English conditions, which will get us nowhere in somewhere like Australia.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,156
    edited August 2024
    Andy_JS said:

    Maybe. I was thinking of going tomorrow so happy to see Sri Lanka batting for longer than expected.
    Me too.

    Edit:- Checks weather. Maybe not.
  • FF43 said:

    Interesting stats on Reform voters. In general they believe strongly in hang'em, flog'em and lock them up. But when it comes to burning asylum seekers alive it's Starmer's Orwellian Britain that presumes to crack down on common sense.

    Johnson of course is on the bandwagon.
    The key word in "lock them up" is "them".
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,350
    edited August 2024

    Obviously I was joking about this match, but yes, absolutely. Woakes is no good away from home and has lost 5-6 mph of pace, I am not sure about Atkinson, Potts isn't good enough and Wood can only bowl 4 at a time and breaks down injured regularly. Not sure we will ever see Archer again at Test level. No left arm seam. So we are back to 4 medium-fast right arm bowlers that rely on English conditions, which will get us nowhere in somewhere like Australia.
    Potts (who in fairness has just taken another wicket) was an odd choice for this match. Surely there must be some fast, ideally left handed, young bowler out there worth a look?
  • MJWMJW Posts: 2,019

    I like him. I think he would fit in well around here. A bit like Leon but with a more calibrated trip switch. He is both a showman and also a man with strong independent opinions. He knows how to make use of the latter to promote the former. But even though I diagreed with him on Brexit, I think his basic values and beliefs are sound. He also has that fairly rare quality of being able to recognise his own failings.
    Clarkson is an interesting chap - with more nuanced opinions than he's given credit for. Probably because it's his dumbed down Sun column rather than the more thoughtful Times stuff that makes news. Occasionally his desire to cause controversy gets him into trouble and he says something vile. One problem is that in the past he's found it much more lucrative to behave like a bit of a berk and go for the cheap gag.

    'Barring' Starmer smacks of a slightly unimaginative plea for attention given it's utterly meaningless. Purely by virtue of having only just become PM Starmer is well down the list of those responsible for the decline of British farming. Jeremy's old mate Cameron would be higher.

    Secondly, among potential Labour leaders Starmer is probably more attuned to rural concerns than most would be given he grew up in semi-rural Surrey and worked on a farm. Not saying he'd be good for farmers or do enough but is probably more sympathetic than those who are dyed-in-the wool city dwellers - i.e. many Labour MPs.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 45,185

    It can be both i.e. it started with both up for it, then regret and not wanting for it to continue and Jenas carrying it on and it becoming a sex pest.
    I took his 'consenting adults' phrase to mean 'not grooming'. As for the Beeb I'd imagine that after Huw and Strictly they would not be inclined to leniency.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,321
    Man U are so washed
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,785
    DavidL said:

    Potts (who in fairness has just taken another wicket) was an odd choice for this match. Surely there must be some fast, ideally left handed, young bowler out there worth a look?
    Josh Hull did OK for the Lions, but he’s not done so much against Glos (and I’m hoping it stays that way).

    Similarly Zaman Akhtar was great at Worcs but looked pretty toothless at Bristol.

    I cannot understand why they didn’t at least call Ed Barnard into the squad.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 35,014
    Sky News: "German police: we don't have a suspect"
  • MJWMJW Posts: 2,019
    DavidL said:

    Potts (who in fairness has just taken another wicket) was an odd choice for this match. Surely there must be some fast, ideally left handed, young bowler out there worth a look?
    Having dropped Anderson ostensibly to bring on the next generation, it's very odd to still be picking Woakes given his struggles on tour.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,350

    Me too.

    Edit:- Checks weather. Maybe not.
    Sudden collapse after a huge partnership means this probably finishes tonight, one way or the other.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,785
    DavidL said:

    Sudden collapse after a huge partnership means this probably finishes tonight, one way or the other.
    Hmmm.

    If England try to thrash quick runs on this pitch, you would definitely favour Sri Lanka.
  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,551
    edited August 2024

    I do condemn it. I am explicit in saying I want to see the Governmemt not putting a single penny of taxpayers money into subsidising the rails. Let the train drivers wages come entirely from train passengers ticket fares.

    The drivers are providing a service to their passengers. The passengers are demanding a service from their driver. It should be between them and their intermediaries how much that service is worth and every penny of a pay rise should be put into rail fares.

    If passengers are prepared to pay more for the service, then they clearly value the drivers services enough that they're worth it. If they're not and choose alternative transport instead like driving themselves rather than getting a train driver to drive them on their behalf, then they're not and the train drivers can lose their jobs unless prices come down.

    It should have nothing to do with the taxpayers.

    However no party advocates this.
    The Conservatives in the 1990s did - the franchising regime was put in place to wean the sector off subsidies by 2005, and indeed had some success in that direction, until Hatifeld crash in 2000, which was (probably wrongly) blamed on low investment.

    Ever since, subsidies have been lavished on the sector by all parties.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,350
    ydoethur said:

    Hmmm.

    If England try to thrash quick runs on this pitch, you would definitely favour Sri Lanka.
    We should know one way or the other in the next hour.
  • KnightOutKnightOut Posts: 160

    The curious thing is that Jenas says that the messages were sent to consenting adults, but there was a complaint made against him. If there was a complaint that rather indicates that there was a lack of consent.
    How does someone consent (or not) to receiving specific messages before the content therein is known to them?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 77,466
    Did the National Federation of Republican Assemblies (NFRA) really unanimously adopt the position that Kamala Harris is ineligible to be President based on... the Dred Scott decision?!
    https://x.com/ASFleischman/status/1827036555854409815
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,441
    MJW said:

    Clarkson is an interesting chap
    I have never seen a full episode of TG or any of his other shit but I did once see him freely admit that he doesn’t know any BMW chassis codes so fuck him.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,350
    KnightOut said:

    How does someone consent (or not) to receiving specific messages before the content therein is known to them?
    By making it clear that such pictures are welcome. So you might specifically invite them or you might send something yourself that seems to invite something in kind.

    Why anybody with any kind of brain ever thinks that sending such pictures is a good idea is an entirely different question.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,675

    Living in millionaire households - actual individual millionaires will be lower.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/pensions/news/number-millionaire-pensioners-quadruples/
    https://theferret.scot/27-per-cent-pensioners-millionaires-mostly-true/

    "The latest statistics, from 2020, show that 27 percent of those 65 and over live in households with a total wealth of £1m or more. The data does not show whether these individuals are millionaires, and much of the wealth comes from house and pension value, rather than disposable financial wealth."

    And that is from 2020, reasonable asset price inflation since then so I suspect it will be pushing a third now.

    IIRC the state pension, by itself has a value of about £250k
  • German police say they have arrested a 15-year-old in connection with a knife attack in the western German city of Solingen
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,350
    Not out but a fabulous effort.
  • DavidL said:

    Not out but a fabulous effort.

    Well he did a great job of dirtying one side of the ball ;-)
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,609

    IIRC the state pension, by itself has a value of about £250k


    https://www.fidelity.co.uk/markets-insights/personal-finance/personal-finance/the-287560-cost-of-matching-the-state-pension/

    Fidelity came up with £223k equivalent via an annuity. But its not included in wealth as its not guaranteed or ring fenced but a benefit at the whim of the govt....
  • England defence coach Felix Jones has become the latest key figure to quit Steve Borthwick’s set-up.
    https://www.bbc.com/sport/rugby-union/articles/cx2ep48pxw7o

    Just as they started to get the hang of the blitz defence.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 55,285

    German police say they have arrested a 15-year-old in connection with a knife attack in the western German city of Solingen

    Not the suspect but someone who was in contact with him.
  • DumbosaurusDumbosaurus Posts: 860
    edited August 2024
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 77,466
    edited August 2024
    It is discouraged.

    Overburdens the Vanilla server or something.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 55,285
    I didn't realise Bill Clinton took his stepfather's name.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,156
    edited August 2024

    Not the suspect but someone who was in contact with him.
    I see the German authorities are doing their usual dance. We aren't going to tell you who the suspect is, we won't release any images so the public can help us find them, but don't speculate on social media.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 77,466
    Though you can understand Ford changing his name.

    ...“US President Lynch King” is a name you’d expect for an X-Men antagonist. ..
  • An explosion outside a synagogue in southern France is being investigated by authorities as "attempted terrorist murder".

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5y3d4v43gjo
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,156
    edited August 2024
    I wonder how many more they would have got to the cricket if they weren't charging as much as £110 a ticket.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 35,014

    I wonder how many more they would have got to the cricket if they weren't charging as much as £110 a ticket.

    Most of the tickets are considerably cheaper than that I thought?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 55,285

    An explosion outside a synagogue in southern France is being investigated by authorities as "attempted terrorist murder".

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5y3d4v43gjo

    No doubt the far-right again.

    https://x.com/mtwit75/status/1801283957171912836

    - Who burned the synagogue?
    - A man
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