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SystemSystem Posts: 12,047
edited August 26 in General
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One factor that may complicate swing in key states this year is the number of abortion ballots that are going on. For good or ill, the Dobbs v Jackson ruling by the Supreme Court has made this into a very significant political battleground.

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  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,327
    Abortion is a massive vote decider for Dems. For Republicans, not so much. We may well see a record gap between the sexes at this election.
  • DavidL said:

    Abortion is a massive vote decider for Dems. For Republicans, not so much. We may well see a record gap between the sexes at this election.

    Karma is the GOP and Trump messing with SCOTUS helps lead to a Harris Presidency.

    Quite good news for Americans too if the right to medical self-determination is determined by voters not lawyers.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 10,196
    Good article, Y. Thanks.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,206
    DavidL said:

    Abortion is a massive vote decider for Dems. For Republicans, not so much. We may well see a record gap between the sexes at this election.

    Black women have the highest rate of abortion in the USA, white women the lowest. Why do the Dems want to kill off their voters ?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 70,627
    Thank you to Mr Eagles for publishing this - and tipping me off about the photo so I delayed having breakfast.

    Hope people find it of interest.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 7,904
    edited August 13
    + Walz has a great line on it: "Mind your own damn BIZ NESS"

    I think Harris would be smart to let American Dad do the talking on it.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 118,517
    ydoethur said:

    Thank you to Mr Eagles for publishing this - and tipping me off about the photo so I delayed having breakfast.

    Hope people find it of interest.

    It's my all time favourite photo on PB.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 53,314
    edited August 13

    DavidL said:

    Abortion is a massive vote decider for Dems. For Republicans, not so much. We may well see a record gap between the sexes at this election.

    Karma is the GOP and Trump messing with SCOTUS helps lead to a Harris Presidency.

    Quite good news for Americans too if the right to medical self-determination is determined by voters not lawyers.
    The recent Supreme Court decision was just that, to have such decisions made by voters and their representatives, rather than lawyers. The original decision in Roe v Wade was the classic example of judicial over-reach.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 118,517
    So they've deleted this tweet.


  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 68,757
    No one seems to have noticed that last night Trump promised to close down the Department of Education.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 48,420

    So they've deleted this tweet.


    I shall have to poke the local Corbynite stand at lunchtime.

    Perhaps - Russia need to trade land for peace?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 70,627

    So they've deleted this tweet.


    Tbf, we'd all like the second one to happen.

    Except, unfortunately, for Mad Vlad and his cabal of creeps, who keep escalating it.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 68,757

    So they've deleted this tweet.


    Given it's a Russian mouthpiece, that's an embarrassing admission from Putin.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 70,627
    edited August 13
    Sandpit said:

    DavidL said:

    Abortion is a massive vote decider for Dems. For Republicans, not so much. We may well see a record gap between the sexes at this election.

    Karma is the GOP and Trump messing with SCOTUS helps lead to a Harris Presidency.

    Quite good news for Americans too if the right to medical self-determination is determined by voters not lawyers.
    The recent Supreme Court decision was just that, to have such decisions made by voters and their representatives, rather than lawyers. The original decision in Roe v Wade was the classic example of judicial over-reach.
    That was their rationale, but not their reason. It was obviously believed by anti-abortion activists, including the ones calling themselves justices of the Supreme Court, that it would lead to at least drastic new restrictions on abortion.

    The fact that they are having to resort to sharp practices (as in Arkansas) to try and fulfil that clearly has surprised them.

    And the fact it has done significant damage to their political prospects is amusing in its own way.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 70,627

    So they've deleted this tweet.


    I shall have to poke the local Corbynite stand at lunchtime.

    Perhaps - Russia need to trade land for peace?
    They'll Kursk you for hours.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 68,757
    Sandpit said:

    DavidL said:

    Abortion is a massive vote decider for Dems. For Republicans, not so much. We may well see a record gap between the sexes at this election.

    Karma is the GOP and Trump messing with SCOTUS helps lead to a Harris Presidency.

    Quite good news for Americans too if the right to medical self-determination is determined by voters not lawyers.
    The recent Supreme Court decision was just that, to have such decisions made by voters and their representatives, rather than lawyers. The original decision in Roe v Wade was the classic example of judicial over-reach.
    Tell me you know nothing of US Constitutional history...
  • kamskikamski Posts: 5,042
    Sandpit said:

    DavidL said:

    Abortion is a massive vote decider for Dems. For Republicans, not so much. We may well see a record gap between the sexes at this election.

    Karma is the GOP and Trump messing with SCOTUS helps lead to a Harris Presidency.

    Quite good news for Americans too if the right to medical self-determination is determined by voters not lawyers.
    The recent Supreme Court decision was just that, to have such decisions made by voters and their representatives, rather than lawyers. The original decision in Roe v Wade was the classic example of judicial over-reach.
    In a way yes. And so long as they felt they had constitutional protection abortion was a wedge issue that motivated "pro-life" voters more than "pro-choice" voters. Now that has changed, and abortion is a net vote-winning issue for Democrats. That's why I think it is in a way a tactical mistake from the Dem point of view to rush measures through to guarantee abortion access in states. A more cynical party would try to delay such measures and milk the issue for a few more electoral cycles (see Republican blocking of bills to tackle immigration).

    But maybe the Democratic Party has little no control over these voter initiatives anyway.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 70,627
    kamski said:

    Sandpit said:

    DavidL said:

    Abortion is a massive vote decider for Dems. For Republicans, not so much. We may well see a record gap between the sexes at this election.

    Karma is the GOP and Trump messing with SCOTUS helps lead to a Harris Presidency.

    Quite good news for Americans too if the right to medical self-determination is determined by voters not lawyers.
    The recent Supreme Court decision was just that, to have such decisions made by voters and their representatives, rather than lawyers. The original decision in Roe v Wade was the classic example of judicial over-reach.
    In a way yes. And so long as they felt they had constitutional protection abortion was a wedge issue that motivated "pro-life" voters more than "pro-choice" voters. Now that has changed, and abortion is a net vote-winning issue for Democrats. That's why I think it is in a way a tactical mistake from the Dem point of view to rush measures through to guarantee abortion access in states. A more cynical party would try to delay such measures and milk the issue for a few more electoral cycles (see Republican blocking of bills to tackle immigration).

    But maybe the Democratic Party has little no control over these voter initiatives anyway.
    Why should the Dems bother to control them (although they probably can't)? The Republicans are doing a fine job of filibustering and delaying where they can anyway.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 53,314
    Nigelb said:

    No one seems to have noticed that last night Trump promised to close down the Department of Education.

    I’m sure our resident educator will tell you what he thinks of the British DfE.

    Here’s the case in favour of scrapping it.
    https://www.deseret.com/opinion/2024/08/12/end-fed-ed-department-of-education/

    TL:DR, the money spent on education has never been higher, but teachers are still poorly paid, standards are falling and have been for years. Meanwhile the DoE thinks their priorities are culture war issues around gender and racism, which they force on schools by holding their funding. Education would be better run entirely by the States, and the federal government saving the money they currently spend on all of this rubbish.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 70,627
    Nigelb said:

    No one seems to have noticed that last night Trump promised to close down the Department of Education.

    So he's not all bad then?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 51,727
    Very on topic, last night Arizona confirmed an abortion referendum is on the ballot in November.

    Adds to Trumps woes.

  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 48,420
    ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    No one seems to have noticed that last night Trump promised to close down the Department of Education.

    So he's not all bad then?
    Hitler liked dogs & railways.

    Stopped clocks…
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 53,314
    What a horrible story. Young girl stabbed in the street by a man she didn’t know, in front of her mother.

    A serious drugs or mental health problem?

    A man has been charged with attempted murder after an 11-year-old girl was stabbed in Leicester Square.

    “The Metropolitan Police said its officers went to the scene of a stabbing in London on Monday where the girl was found with stab wounds.

    “She was taken to hospital where her injuries, while serious, were assessed as non-life threatening, the force said.

    “Ioan Pintaru, 32, of no fixed address, was charged with attempted murder and possession of a bladed article.

    “It was initially believed that the girl’s mother, a 34-year-old woman, was also hurt however it was later confirmed that blood from her daughter’s injuries had been mistaken for injuries of her own.

    “He was remanded in custody to appear at Westminster Magistrates’ Court on Tuesday morning.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/08/13/man-charged-attempted-murder-leicester-square-stabbing/
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 70,627

    ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    No one seems to have noticed that last night Trump promised to close down the Department of Education.

    So he's not all bad then?
    Hitler liked dogs & railways.

    Stopped clocks…
    Stalin had a fine tenor voice.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 53,314

    So they've deleted this tweet.


    I shall have to poke the local Corbynite stand at lunchtime.

    Perhaps - Russia need to trade land for peace?
    Meanwhile, the Ukranian invasion of Russia continues unabated, with more gains yesterday.
    https://x.com/thestudyofwar/status/1823168917550047675

    Even one Ukranian MP has turned up, having taken leave of absence from Parliament in Kiev.
    https://x.com/osinttechnical/status/1823128362480517580

    The Russians appear to be unable to defend the region at all, with reports of 1,000 sq km now captured, and 100,000 civilians evacuated. Presumably the latter have their phones confiscated and get sent on a long coach trip to Siberia, to stop them talking to anyone about what’s actually happening in Kursk Oblast.
  • kamskikamski Posts: 5,042
    ydoethur said:

    kamski said:

    Sandpit said:

    DavidL said:

    Abortion is a massive vote decider for Dems. For Republicans, not so much. We may well see a record gap between the sexes at this election.

    Karma is the GOP and Trump messing with SCOTUS helps lead to a Harris Presidency.

    Quite good news for Americans too if the right to medical self-determination is determined by voters not lawyers.
    The recent Supreme Court decision was just that, to have such decisions made by voters and their representatives, rather than lawyers. The original decision in Roe v Wade was the classic example of judicial over-reach.
    In a way yes. And so long as they felt they had constitutional protection abortion was a wedge issue that motivated "pro-life" voters more than "pro-choice" voters. Now that has changed, and abortion is a net vote-winning issue for Democrats. That's why I think it is in a way a tactical mistake from the Dem point of view to rush measures through to guarantee abortion access in states. A more cynical party would try to delay such measures and milk the issue for a few more electoral cycles (see Republican blocking of bills to tackle immigration).

    But maybe the Democratic Party has little no control over these voter initiatives anyway.
    Why should the Dems bother to control them (although they probably can't)? The Republicans are doing a fine job of filibustering and delaying where they can anyway.
    As I understand it, the Right to Reproductive Freedom has been added to the Michigan constitution following the 2022 vote, so to remove abortion rights Republicans would either need 2 thirds majorities in the legislature, or win a ballot initiative. So in Michigan the issue seems to be settled, and if it helped get out the Democratic vote in 2022, it might not in the future.

    Of course it's good for the women who need access to abortion in Michigan, and their doctors.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 16,962
    Very interesting header. Thanks for putting it together and publishing it.

    Account, from a partisan source, about Labour's win over Liz Truss in South West Norfolk, including the claim she delayed the declaration by more than an hour by turning up late. Maybe that explains the Returning Officer's supposed frostiness towards her.

    https://labourlist.org/2024/08/liz-truss-terry-jermy-labour-general-election-2024/
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 21,448
    edited August 13
    Sandpit said:

    What a horrible story. Young girl stabbed in the street by a man she didn’t know, in front of her mother.

    A serious drugs or mental health problem?

    A man has been charged with attempted murder after an 11-year-old girl was stabbed in Leicester Square.

    “The Metropolitan Police said its officers went to the scene of a stabbing in London on Monday where the girl was found with stab wounds.

    “She was taken to hospital where her injuries, while serious, were assessed as non-life threatening, the force said.

    “Ioan Pintaru, 32, of no fixed address, was charged with attempted murder and possession of a bladed article.

    “It was initially believed that the girl’s mother, a 34-year-old woman, was also hurt however it was later confirmed that blood from her daughter’s injuries had been mistaken for injuries of her own.

    “He was remanded in custody to appear at Westminster Magistrates’ Court on Tuesday morning.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/08/13/man-charged-attempted-murder-leicester-square-stabbing/

    Sad story, hopefully she's not seriously hurt.

    "Of no fixed abode" tends to answer the "drugs or mental health problem" question with a yes.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 70,627
    kamski said:

    ydoethur said:

    kamski said:

    Sandpit said:

    DavidL said:

    Abortion is a massive vote decider for Dems. For Republicans, not so much. We may well see a record gap between the sexes at this election.

    Karma is the GOP and Trump messing with SCOTUS helps lead to a Harris Presidency.

    Quite good news for Americans too if the right to medical self-determination is determined by voters not lawyers.
    The recent Supreme Court decision was just that, to have such decisions made by voters and their representatives, rather than lawyers. The original decision in Roe v Wade was the classic example of judicial over-reach.
    In a way yes. And so long as they felt they had constitutional protection abortion was a wedge issue that motivated "pro-life" voters more than "pro-choice" voters. Now that has changed, and abortion is a net vote-winning issue for Democrats. That's why I think it is in a way a tactical mistake from the Dem point of view to rush measures through to guarantee abortion access in states. A more cynical party would try to delay such measures and milk the issue for a few more electoral cycles (see Republican blocking of bills to tackle immigration).

    But maybe the Democratic Party has little no control over these voter initiatives anyway.
    Why should the Dems bother to control them (although they probably can't)? The Republicans are doing a fine job of filibustering and delaying where they can anyway.
    As I understand it, the Right to Reproductive Freedom has been added to the Michigan constitution following the 2022 vote, so to remove abortion rights Republicans would either need 2 thirds majorities in the legislature, or win a ballot initiative. So in Michigan the issue seems to be settled, and if it helped get out the Democratic vote in 2022, it might not in the future.

    Of course it's good for the women who need access to abortion in Michigan, and their doctors.
    Here, however, are the games Republicans are playing in Missouri (with a side order on Ohio):

    https://19thnews.org/2024/05/missouri-abortion-ballot-measure-signatures/

    I don't think the Democrats playing games to try and block abortion rights in competitive states would end well for them, leaving aside how difficult it would be to do so. But why bother, when Republicans are doing such a fine job?

    And also, that assumes this is the only issue. After settling abortion, there is the need to sort out what Walz pithily described as 'common sense gun laws.'
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 121,003
    A 12 week abortion limit proposed for Nebraska is the same as in Germany so hardly a major outlier as far as I am concerned. The issue will also drive evengelical turnout for Republicans and Trump and some conservative Roman Catholic turnout for them, including pro life Hispanics
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 53,314
    kamski said:

    Sandpit said:

    DavidL said:

    Abortion is a massive vote decider for Dems. For Republicans, not so much. We may well see a record gap between the sexes at this election.

    Karma is the GOP and Trump messing with SCOTUS helps lead to a Harris Presidency.

    Quite good news for Americans too if the right to medical self-determination is determined by voters not lawyers.
    The recent Supreme Court decision was just that, to have such decisions made by voters and their representatives, rather than lawyers. The original decision in Roe v Wade was the classic example of judicial over-reach.
    In a way yes. And so long as they felt they had constitutional protection abortion was a wedge issue that motivated "pro-life" voters more than "pro-choice" voters. Now that has changed, and abortion is a net vote-winning issue for Democrats. That's why I think it is in a way a tactical mistake from the Dem point of view to rush measures through to guarantee abortion access in states. A more cynical party would try to delay such measures and milk the issue for a few more electoral cycles (see Republican blocking of bills to tackle immigration).

    But maybe the Democratic Party has little no control over these voter initiatives anyway.
    The voter initiatives will obviously vary by state, and my suggestion would be that the motivation on both sides depends on the nature of what’s proposed.

    Anything that looks, shall we say, European in nature, is likely to pass with ambivalence from most, whereas the more extreme options on both sides are likely to generate significant and motivated opposition.

    The issue was significant for turnout in the mid-terms, but the Presidential election cycle has a higher turnout baseline.
  • eekeek Posts: 27,481
    HYUFD said:

    A 12 week abortion limit proposed for Nebraska is the same as in Germany so hardly a major outlier as far as I am concerned. The issue will also drive evengelical turnout for Republicans and Trump and some conservative Roman Catholic turnout for them, including pro life Hispanics

    Keep clutching at straws - any abortion amendment is going to result in a lot of women actually going out and voting…
  • kamskikamski Posts: 5,042
    Foxy said:

    Sandpit said:

    What a horrible story. Young girl stabbed in the street by a man she didn’t know, in front of her mother.

    A serious drugs or mental health problem?

    A man has been charged with attempted murder after an 11-year-old girl was stabbed in Leicester Square.

    “The Metropolitan Police said its officers went to the scene of a stabbing in London on Monday where the girl was found with stab wounds.

    “She was taken to hospital where her injuries, while serious, were assessed as non-life threatening, the force said.

    “Ioan Pintaru, 32, of no fixed address, was charged with attempted murder and possession of a bladed article.

    “It was initially believed that the girl’s mother, a 34-year-old woman, was also hurt however it was later confirmed that blood from her daughter’s injuries had been mistaken for injuries of her own.

    “He was remanded in custody to appear at Westminster Magistrates’ Court on Tuesday morning.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/08/13/man-charged-attempted-murder-leicester-square-stabbing/

    Interesting piece that doesn't mention the bravery of Abdullah in disarming the man and holding him until police come. A curious omission.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/aug/12/man-held-after-woman-and-girl-stabbed-in-london-leicester-square
    It was the "Two-tier Telegraph" so not curious at all. But how do you know Abdullah wasn't mentioned - isn't the Telegraph pay-walled?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,084

    Sandpit said:

    What a horrible story. Young girl stabbed in the street by a man she didn’t know, in front of her mother.

    A serious drugs or mental health problem?

    A man has been charged with attempted murder after an 11-year-old girl was stabbed in Leicester Square.

    “The Metropolitan Police said its officers went to the scene of a stabbing in London on Monday where the girl was found with stab wounds.

    “She was taken to hospital where her injuries, while serious, were assessed as non-life threatening, the force said.

    “Ioan Pintaru, 32, of no fixed address, was charged with attempted murder and possession of a bladed article.

    “It was initially believed that the girl’s mother, a 34-year-old woman, was also hurt however it was later confirmed that blood from her daughter’s injuries had been mistaken for injuries of her own.

    “He was remanded in custody to appear at Westminster Magistrates’ Court on Tuesday morning.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/08/13/man-charged-attempted-murder-leicester-square-stabbing/

    Sad story, hopefully she's not seriously hurt.

    "Of no fixed abode" tends to answer the "drugs or mental health problem" question with a yes.
    Or he could be the king, able to move between homes.
  • TheValiantTheValiant Posts: 1,870

    So they've deleted this tweet.


    "The Nazis entered this war under the rather childish delusion that they were going to bomb everyone else, and nobody was going to bomb them."
    Great quote, very appropriate at this current time.

    And that picture is great. I didn't know you could get so many Karens in one place at one time.
  • TazTaz Posts: 13,605
    ydoethur said:

    Thank you to Mr Eagles for publishing this - and tipping me off about the photo so I delayed having breakfast.

    Hope people find it of interest.

    The picture or your breakfast ?
  • Nunu5Nunu5 Posts: 954
    A third of Brits justify violence against Asylum Seekers.

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/1823073108439228805

    How does that compare to British Muslims sympathy for the Hamas attacks?
  • TazTaz Posts: 13,605
    Foxy said:

    Sandpit said:

    What a horrible story. Young girl stabbed in the street by a man she didn’t know, in front of her mother.

    A serious drugs or mental health problem?

    A man has been charged with attempted murder after an 11-year-old girl was stabbed in Leicester Square.

    “The Metropolitan Police said its officers went to the scene of a stabbing in London on Monday where the girl was found with stab wounds.

    “She was taken to hospital where her injuries, while serious, were assessed as non-life threatening, the force said.

    “Ioan Pintaru, 32, of no fixed address, was charged with attempted murder and possession of a bladed article.

    “It was initially believed that the girl’s mother, a 34-year-old woman, was also hurt however it was later confirmed that blood from her daughter’s injuries had been mistaken for injuries of her own.

    “He was remanded in custody to appear at Westminster Magistrates’ Court on Tuesday morning.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/08/13/man-charged-attempted-murder-leicester-square-stabbing/

    Interesting piece that doesn't mention the bravery of Abdullah in disarming the man and holding him until police come. A curious omission.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/aug/12/man-held-after-woman-and-girl-stabbed-in-london-leicester-square
    Even GB News was mentioning this heroes bravery.
  • Nunu5 said:

    A third of Brits justify violence against Asylum Seekers.

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/1823073108439228805

    How does that compare to British Muslims sympathy for the Hamas attacks?

    Thankfully its a flawed, dodgy, BS poll, we discussed it last night.
  • TazTaz Posts: 13,605

    Sandpit said:

    What a horrible story. Young girl stabbed in the street by a man she didn’t know, in front of her mother.

    A serious drugs or mental health problem?

    A man has been charged with attempted murder after an 11-year-old girl was stabbed in Leicester Square.

    “The Metropolitan Police said its officers went to the scene of a stabbing in London on Monday where the girl was found with stab wounds.

    “She was taken to hospital where her injuries, while serious, were assessed as non-life threatening, the force said.

    “Ioan Pintaru, 32, of no fixed address, was charged with attempted murder and possession of a bladed article.

    “It was initially believed that the girl’s mother, a 34-year-old woman, was also hurt however it was later confirmed that blood from her daughter’s injuries had been mistaken for injuries of her own.

    “He was remanded in custody to appear at Westminster Magistrates’ Court on Tuesday morning.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/08/13/man-charged-attempted-murder-leicester-square-stabbing/

    Sad story, hopefully she's not seriously hurt.

    "Of no fixed abode" tends to answer the "drugs or mental health problem" question with a yes.
    Coming hot on the heels of the Panorama broadcast about the Nottingham Knifeman and the failures in his care and the press round discussing it this morning I wonder if Mental Health Issues will now get more priority.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,084
    edited August 13
    kamski said:

    Foxy said:

    Sandpit said:

    What a horrible story. Young girl stabbed in the street by a man she didn’t know, in front of her mother.

    A serious drugs or mental health problem?

    A man has been charged with attempted murder after an 11-year-old girl was stabbed in Leicester Square.

    “The Metropolitan Police said its officers went to the scene of a stabbing in London on Monday where the girl was found with stab wounds.

    “She was taken to hospital where her injuries, while serious, were assessed as non-life threatening, the force said.

    “Ioan Pintaru, 32, of no fixed address, was charged with attempted murder and possession of a bladed article.

    “It was initially believed that the girl’s mother, a 34-year-old woman, was also hurt however it was later confirmed that blood from her daughter’s injuries had been mistaken for injuries of her own.

    “He was remanded in custody to appear at Westminster Magistrates’ Court on Tuesday morning.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/08/13/man-charged-attempted-murder-leicester-square-stabbing/

    Interesting piece that doesn't mention the bravery of Abdullah in disarming the man and holding him until police come. A curious omission.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/aug/12/man-held-after-woman-and-girl-stabbed-in-london-leicester-square
    It was the "Two-tier Telegraph" so not curious at all. But how do you know Abdullah wasn't mentioned - isn't the Telegraph pay-walled?
    Foxy is right except when you read the whole thing, this is not the Telegraph reporting the story, this is the Telegraph paraphrasing a police press statement. Here it is in full (don't tell the mods, or the Telegraph):-

    A man has been charged with attempted murder after an 11-year-old girl was stabbed in Leicester Square.

    The Metropolitan Police said its officers went to the scene of a stabbing in London on Monday where the girl was found with stab wounds.

    She was taken to hospital where her injuries, while serious, were assessed as non-life threatening, the force said.

    Ioan Pintaru, 32, of no fixed address, was charged with attempted murder and possession of a bladed article.

    It was initially believed that the girl’s mother, a 34-year-old woman, was also hurt however it was later confirmed that blood from her daughter’s injuries had been mistaken for injuries of her own.

    He was remanded in custody to appear at Westminster Magistrates’ Court on Tuesday morning.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/08/13/man-charged-attempted-murder-leicester-square-stabbing/ (£££)

    As you can see, there is no reference back to the original story, which was covered by the Telegraph.

    ETA on the Telegraph website's front page is the earlier story covering the incident including the role of Mr Abdullah in disarming the assailant.
    Girl, 11, ‘put in a headlock and stabbed repeatedly’ in Leicester Square
    Condition of victim and her mother, who was also wounded, is not yet known as police arrest man after ‘horrible’ attack

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/08/12/girl-stabbed-leicester-square/ (£££)
  • TazTaz Posts: 13,605

    ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    No one seems to have noticed that last night Trump promised to close down the Department of Education.

    So he's not all bad then?
    Hitler liked dogs & railways.

    Stopped clocks…
    He was just a paper hanger, no one more obscurer.
  • TheValiantTheValiant Posts: 1,870
    Sandpit said:

    So they've deleted this tweet.


    I shall have to poke the local Corbynite stand at lunchtime.

    Perhaps - Russia need to trade land for peace?
    Meanwhile, the Ukranian invasion of Russia continues unabated, with more gains yesterday.
    https://x.com/thestudyofwar/status/1823168917550047675

    Even one Ukranian MP has turned up, having taken leave of absence from Parliament in Kiev.
    https://x.com/osinttechnical/status/1823128362480517580

    The Russians appear to be unable to defend the region at all, with reports of 1,000 sq km now captured, and 100,000 civilians evacuated. Presumably the latter have their phones confiscated and get sent on a long coach trip to Siberia, to stop them talking to anyone about what’s actually happening in Kursk Oblast.
    I've already posted the Bomber Harris quote, but Russia has adopted the attitude wholescale. They've put virtually their whole army in Ukraine to fight the Ukrainians, not even bothering to defend their own border as they believed Ukraine would never dare.

    Now they've got to pivot, pivot hard and afterwards defend everywhere.

    The 'troops' they do have in the area are laughable. Usual 'security' troops more interested in beating up their own women and children than actually doing any defending.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 70,627
    Taz said:

    ydoethur said:

    Thank you to Mr Eagles for publishing this - and tipping me off about the photo so I delayed having breakfast.

    Hope people find it of interest.

    The picture or your breakfast ?
    Well, if people want to know about a breakfast of dried fruits and strong tea...
  • TazTaz Posts: 13,605
    ydoethur said:

    Taz said:

    ydoethur said:

    Thank you to Mr Eagles for publishing this - and tipping me off about the photo so I delayed having breakfast.

    Hope people find it of interest.

    The picture or your breakfast ?
    Well, if people want to know about a breakfast of dried fruits and strong tea...
    Nice one. Strong tea here and fruit with yoghurt.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 118,517
    ydoethur said:

    Taz said:

    ydoethur said:

    Thank you to Mr Eagles for publishing this - and tipping me off about the photo so I delayed having breakfast.

    Hope people find it of interest.

    The picture or your breakfast ?
    Well, if people want to know about a breakfast of dried fruits and strong tea...
    That's not a breakfast.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 41,462
    Taz said:

    ydoethur said:

    Taz said:

    ydoethur said:

    Thank you to Mr Eagles for publishing this - and tipping me off about the photo so I delayed having breakfast.

    Hope people find it of interest.

    The picture or your breakfast ?
    Well, if people want to know about a breakfast of dried fruits and strong tea...
    Nice one. Strong tea here and fruit with yoghurt.
    For slices of fruit loaf with margarine, and two crumpets, with tea.

    Then again, I've already done a three-mile run this morning. :)
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 50,605

    Sandpit said:

    So they've deleted this tweet.


    I shall have to poke the local Corbynite stand at lunchtime.

    Perhaps - Russia need to trade land for peace?
    Meanwhile, the Ukranian invasion of Russia continues unabated, with more gains yesterday.
    https://x.com/thestudyofwar/status/1823168917550047675

    Even one Ukranian MP has turned up, having taken leave of absence from Parliament in Kiev.
    https://x.com/osinttechnical/status/1823128362480517580

    The Russians appear to be unable to defend the region at all, with reports of 1,000 sq km now captured, and 100,000 civilians evacuated. Presumably the latter have their phones confiscated and get sent on a long coach trip to Siberia, to stop them talking to anyone about what’s actually happening in Kursk Oblast.
    I've already posted the Bomber Harris quote, but Russia has adopted the attitude wholescale. They've put virtually their whole army in Ukraine to fight the Ukrainians, not even bothering to defend their own border as they believed Ukraine would never dare.

    Now they've got to pivot, pivot hard and afterwards defend everywhere.

    The 'troops' they do have in the area are laughable. Usual 'security' troops more interested in beating up their own women and children than actually doing any defending.
    And to think that people called Liz Truss ignorant when she questioned Russian sovereignty over Voronezh.
  • TazTaz Posts: 13,605

    Taz said:

    ydoethur said:

    Taz said:

    ydoethur said:

    Thank you to Mr Eagles for publishing this - and tipping me off about the photo so I delayed having breakfast.

    Hope people find it of interest.

    The picture or your breakfast ?
    Well, if people want to know about a breakfast of dried fruits and strong tea...
    Nice one. Strong tea here and fruit with yoghurt.
    For slices of fruit loaf with margarine, and two crumpets, with tea.

    Then again, I've already done a three-mile run this morning. :)
    That's alot of carbs !!!!

    I've done a five mile cycle ride. Not quite the exertion of a 3 mile run but taxing all the same to a nearly 60 year old !!!!
  • TazTaz Posts: 13,605

    ydoethur said:

    Taz said:

    ydoethur said:

    Thank you to Mr Eagles for publishing this - and tipping me off about the photo so I delayed having breakfast.

    Hope people find it of interest.

    The picture or your breakfast ?
    Well, if people want to know about a breakfast of dried fruits and strong tea...
    That's not a breakfast.
    What is, a cold slice of leftover Hawaii'n pizza from the night before !!!!!
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 68,757
    Nunu5 said:

    A third of Brits justify violence against Asylum Seekers.

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/1823073108439228805

    How does that compare to British Muslims sympathy for the Hamas attacks?

    Almost a third of Brits think they could qualify for the next Olympics.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 51,727
    Sandpit said:

    So they've deleted this tweet.


    I shall have to poke the local Corbynite stand at lunchtime.

    Perhaps - Russia need to trade land for peace?
    Meanwhile, the Ukranian invasion of Russia continues unabated, with more gains yesterday.
    https://x.com/thestudyofwar/status/1823168917550047675

    Even one Ukranian MP has turned up, having taken leave of absence from Parliament in Kiev.
    https://x.com/osinttechnical/status/1823128362480517580

    The Russians appear to be unable to defend the region at all, with reports of 1,000 sq km now captured, and 100,000 civilians evacuated. Presumably the latter have their phones confiscated and get sent on a long coach trip to Siberia, to stop them talking to anyone about what’s actually happening in Kursk Oblast.
    Not quite the DMZ the Russians had in mind....
  • kamskikamski Posts: 5,042

    kamski said:

    Foxy said:

    Sandpit said:

    What a horrible story. Young girl stabbed in the street by a man she didn’t know, in front of her mother.

    A serious drugs or mental health problem?

    A man has been charged with attempted murder after an 11-year-old girl was stabbed in Leicester Square.

    “The Metropolitan Police said its officers went to the scene of a stabbing in London on Monday where the girl was found with stab wounds.

    “She was taken to hospital where her injuries, while serious, were assessed as non-life threatening, the force said.

    “Ioan Pintaru, 32, of no fixed address, was charged with attempted murder and possession of a bladed article.

    “It was initially believed that the girl’s mother, a 34-year-old woman, was also hurt however it was later confirmed that blood from her daughter’s injuries had been mistaken for injuries of her own.

    “He was remanded in custody to appear at Westminster Magistrates’ Court on Tuesday morning.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/08/13/man-charged-attempted-murder-leicester-square-stabbing/

    Interesting piece that doesn't mention the bravery of Abdullah in disarming the man and holding him until police come. A curious omission.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/aug/12/man-held-after-woman-and-girl-stabbed-in-london-leicester-square
    It was the "Two-tier Telegraph" so not curious at all. But how do you know Abdullah wasn't mentioned - isn't the Telegraph pay-walled?
    Foxy is right except when you read the whole thing, this is not the Telegraph reporting the story, this is the Telegraph paraphrasing a police press statement. Here it is in full (don't tell the mods, or the Telegraph):-

    A man has been charged with attempted murder after an 11-year-old girl was stabbed in Leicester Square.

    The Metropolitan Police said its officers went to the scene of a stabbing in London on Monday where the girl was found with stab wounds.

    She was taken to hospital where her injuries, while serious, were assessed as non-life threatening, the force said.

    Ioan Pintaru, 32, of no fixed address, was charged with attempted murder and possession of a bladed article.

    It was initially believed that the girl’s mother, a 34-year-old woman, was also hurt however it was later confirmed that blood from her daughter’s injuries had been mistaken for injuries of her own.

    He was remanded in custody to appear at Westminster Magistrates’ Court on Tuesday morning.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/08/13/man-charged-attempted-murder-leicester-square-stabbing/ (£££)

    As you can see, there is no reference back to the original story, which was covered by the Telegraph.

    ETA on the Telegraph website's front page is the earlier story covering the incident including the role of Mr Abdullah in disarming the assailant.
    Girl, 11, ‘put in a headlock and stabbed repeatedly’ in Leicester Square
    Condition of victim and her mother, who was also wounded, is not yet known as police arrest man after ‘horrible’ attack

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/08/12/girl-stabbed-leicester-square/ (£££)
    Ah ok. In that case I take back my earlier snide.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 121,003
    edited August 13
    Nunu5 said:

    A third of Brits justify violence against Asylum Seekers.

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/1823073108439228805

    How does that compare to British Muslims sympathy for the Hamas attacks?

    Look at the data and actually it just gives a large amount of reactions the pollster cobbled together to get a dramatic headline and even then two thirds opposed
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 68,757
    Sandpit said:

    So they've deleted this tweet.


    I shall have to poke the local Corbynite stand at lunchtime.

    Perhaps - Russia need to trade land for peace?
    Meanwhile, the Ukranian invasion of Russia continues unabated, with more gains yesterday.
    https://x.com/thestudyofwar/status/1823168917550047675

    Even one Ukranian MP has turned up, having taken leave of absence from Parliament in Kiev.
    https://x.com/osinttechnical/status/1823128362480517580

    The Russians appear to be unable to defend the region at all, with reports of 1,000 sq km now captured, and 100,000 civilians evacuated. Presumably the latter have their phones confiscated and get sent on a long coach trip to Siberia, to stop them talking to anyone about what’s actually happening in Kursk Oblast.
    That's not entirely accurate.
    Ukraine is beginning to encounter serious resistance in some places, as is apparent from the reports posted here:
    https://x.com/UAControlMap/status/1823238189475115411
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 51,727
    Jon Stewart on fine form:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VW6tHIcGfc

    Don't watch it before bedtime, Donald.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 121,003
    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    A 12 week abortion limit proposed for Nebraska is the same as in Germany so hardly a major outlier as far as I am concerned. The issue will also drive evengelical turnout for Republicans and Trump and some conservative Roman Catholic turnout for them, including pro life Hispanics

    That's what you think will happen Hyufd. Catch is, that's not what the data says. Even in Montana they can't get tighter abortion laws past the citizens.

    What appears to have happened is that anti-abortion activists thought because they were noisy and well-organised and their opponents didn't seem that bothered, they were a majority of the country. Turns out this was a serious miscalculation. They are a minority, and while they are a significant minority everywhere they have asked the question they've been knocked back by the majority. Who also, as an aside, seem to then vote Blue as a further FU to the party supporting abortion restrictions.
    For anti abortion activists even just higher restrictions in a few southern states is better than the US wide abortion on demand effectively there was with Roe v Wade
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 16,544
    Taz said:

    Sandpit said:

    What a horrible story. Young girl stabbed in the street by a man she didn’t know, in front of her mother.

    A serious drugs or mental health problem?

    A man has been charged with attempted murder after an 11-year-old girl was stabbed in Leicester Square.

    “The Metropolitan Police said its officers went to the scene of a stabbing in London on Monday where the girl was found with stab wounds.

    “She was taken to hospital where her injuries, while serious, were assessed as non-life threatening, the force said.

    “Ioan Pintaru, 32, of no fixed address, was charged with attempted murder and possession of a bladed article.

    “It was initially believed that the girl’s mother, a 34-year-old woman, was also hurt however it was later confirmed that blood from her daughter’s injuries had been mistaken for injuries of her own.

    “He was remanded in custody to appear at Westminster Magistrates’ Court on Tuesday morning.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/08/13/man-charged-attempted-murder-leicester-square-stabbing/

    Sad story, hopefully she's not seriously hurt.

    "Of no fixed abode" tends to answer the "drugs or mental health problem" question with a yes.
    Coming hot on the heels of the Panorama broadcast about the Nottingham Knifeman and the failures in his care and the press round discussing it this morning I wonder if Mental Health Issues will now get more priority.
    One would hope so.

    There are lots of problems that could be made a lot better with the spending of a moderate sum of money, but the mental health/extreme homelessness/drugs triad is an obvious (and very visible) one.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 51,727
    edited August 13
    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    So they've deleted this tweet.


    I shall have to poke the local Corbynite stand at lunchtime.

    Perhaps - Russia need to trade land for peace?
    Meanwhile, the Ukranian invasion of Russia continues unabated, with more gains yesterday.
    https://x.com/thestudyofwar/status/1823168917550047675

    Even one Ukranian MP has turned up, having taken leave of absence from Parliament in Kiev.
    https://x.com/osinttechnical/status/1823128362480517580

    The Russians appear to be unable to defend the region at all, with reports of 1,000 sq km now captured, and 100,000 civilians evacuated. Presumably the latter have their phones confiscated and get sent on a long coach trip to Siberia, to stop them talking to anyone about what’s actually happening in Kursk Oblast.
    That's not entirely accurate.
    Ukraine is beginning to encounter serious resistance in some places, as is apparent from the reports posted here:
    https://x.com/UAControlMap/status/1823238189475115411
    I wonder how serious that resistance remained once their co-ordinates were fed to HIMARS.

    The previous convoy sent to resist is said to have resulted in HIMARs claiming 1,000 dead Russians.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSicqLrMgho
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 41,462
    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    So they've deleted this tweet.


    I shall have to poke the local Corbynite stand at lunchtime.

    Perhaps - Russia need to trade land for peace?
    Meanwhile, the Ukranian invasion of Russia continues unabated, with more gains yesterday.
    https://x.com/thestudyofwar/status/1823168917550047675

    Even one Ukranian MP has turned up, having taken leave of absence from Parliament in Kiev.
    https://x.com/osinttechnical/status/1823128362480517580

    The Russians appear to be unable to defend the region at all, with reports of 1,000 sq km now captured, and 100,000 civilians evacuated. Presumably the latter have their phones confiscated and get sent on a long coach trip to Siberia, to stop them talking to anyone about what’s actually happening in Kursk Oblast.
    That's not entirely accurate.
    Ukraine is beginning to encounter serious resistance in some places, as is apparent from the reports posted here:
    https://x.com/UAControlMap/status/1823238189475115411
    There's great confusion about this attack, in part because I think it has several strands:
    *) The 'secured' area that Ukraine now controls;
    *) A 'grey' area where they are trying to gain control;
    *) Groups going ahead and doing LRDG-style shenanigans, sometimes far in the Russian rear.

    The latter in particular cause confusion, as they can appear in a settlement, then disappear. Which is probably part of the idea, as it will confuse the Russians as to where Ukraine are, and what the intentions are.

    I've no doubt the Russians will get their act in order eventually, but the question is at what cost. And I think/hope that the longer Ukraine holds territory, the harder it will be for Russia to regain it.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 10,196
    HYUFD said:

    A 12 week abortion limit proposed for Nebraska is the same as in Germany so hardly a major outlier as far as I am concerned. The issue will also drive evengelical turnout for Republicans and Trump and some conservative Roman Catholic turnout for them, including pro life Hispanics

    Abortion after 12 weeks in Germany is restricted, but is still available in many circumstances. That is more liberal that the proposal (or current situation) in Nebraska.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,226
    Sandpit said:

    What a horrible story. Young girl stabbed in the street by a man she didn’t know, in front of her mother.

    A serious drugs or mental health problem?

    A man has been charged with attempted murder after an 11-year-old girl was stabbed in Leicester Square.

    “The Metropolitan Police said its officers went to the scene of a stabbing in London on Monday where the girl was found with stab wounds.

    “She was taken to hospital where her injuries, while serious, were assessed as non-life threatening, the force said.

    “Ioan Pintaru, 32, of no fixed address, was charged with attempted murder and possession of a bladed article.

    “It was initially believed that the girl’s mother, a 34-year-old woman, was also hurt however it was later confirmed that blood from her daughter’s injuries had been mistaken for injuries of her own.

    “He was remanded in custody to appear at Westminster Magistrates’ Court on Tuesday morning.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/08/13/man-charged-attempted-murder-leicester-square-stabbing/

    I've suggested before that some Eastern European countries may have encouraged their 'problem people' to make a one way trip to the UK.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 68,757
    .
    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    A 12 week abortion limit proposed for Nebraska is the same as in Germany so hardly a major outlier as far as I am concerned. The issue will also drive evengelical turnout for Republicans and Trump and some conservative Roman Catholic turnout for them, including pro life Hispanics

    That's what you think will happen Hyufd. Catch is, that's not what the data says. Even in Montana they can't get tighter abortion laws past the citizens.

    What appears to have happened is that anti-abortion activists thought because they were noisy and well-organised and their opponents didn't seem that bothered, they were a majority of the country. Turns out this was a serious miscalculation. They are a minority, and while they are a significant minority everywhere they have asked the question they've been knocked back by the majority. Who also, as an aside, seem to then vote Blue as a further FU to the party supporting abortion restrictions.
    For anti abortion activists even just higher restrictions in a few southern states is better than the US wide abortion on demand effectively there was with Roe v Wade
    Not so much for the women who live there.
    https://www.texastribune.org/2024/08/12/texas-abortion-law-ectopic-pregnancies/
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 70,627
    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    A 12 week abortion limit proposed for Nebraska is the same as in Germany so hardly a major outlier as far as I am concerned. The issue will also drive evengelical turnout for Republicans and Trump and some conservative Roman Catholic turnout for them, including pro life Hispanics

    That's what you think will happen Hyufd. Catch is, that's not what the data says. Even in Montana they can't get tighter abortion laws past the citizens.

    What appears to have happened is that anti-abortion activists thought because they were noisy and well-organised and their opponents didn't seem that bothered, they were a majority of the country. Turns out this was a serious miscalculation. They are a minority, and while they are a significant minority everywhere they have asked the question they've been knocked back by the majority. Who also, as an aside, seem to then vote Blue as a further FU to the party supporting abortion restrictions.
    For anti abortion activists even just higher restrictions in a few southern states is better than the US wide abortion on demand effectively there was with Roe v Wade
    But there is a very real chance many of those restrictions will be overturned by referenda.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 41,462
    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    ydoethur said:

    Taz said:

    ydoethur said:

    Thank you to Mr Eagles for publishing this - and tipping me off about the photo so I delayed having breakfast.

    Hope people find it of interest.

    The picture or your breakfast ?
    Well, if people want to know about a breakfast of dried fruits and strong tea...
    Nice one. Strong tea here and fruit with yoghurt.
    For slices of fruit loaf with margarine, and two crumpets, with tea.

    Then again, I've already done a three-mile run this morning. :)
    That's alot of carbs !!!!

    I've done a five mile cycle ride. Not quite the exertion of a 3 mile run but taxing all the same to a nearly 60 year old !!!!
    I did my second sprint triathlon on Sunday, on the same course as my first. I beat my time on all five segments (inc. transitions), so am very happy. This was tempered by the fact a gent about my age, more portly than me, and doing his first-ever triathlon (*), beat me in every segment bar T2.

    (*) His neighbour bought an expensive Triathlon/TT bike, used it a couple of times, then realised he did not like the sport. His neighbour offered it to him cheap, so he decided to try a triathlon on it... The sport seems filled with people who spend thousands on kit, then realise they don't actually like the sport.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 68,757
    Off the ballot in NY for making dodgy residency claims, but this probably helps my NC bet.

    RFK Jr. can stay on North Carolina ballot, judge says
    https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4824989-rfk-jr-north-carolina-ballot-judge-rules/
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 68,757
    I see Trump was hallucinating again last night.

    Trump on what he said to Vladimir Putin regarding Ukraine:

    "I said to Vladimir Putin, 'Don’t do it. You can’t do it, Vladimir. If you do it, it’s going to be a bad day. You cannot do it.'

    And I told him what I’d do.

    And he said, 'No way,' and I said, 'Way.'"..

    https://x.com/yashar/status/1823182083935940801
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 70,627
    Nigelb said:

    Off the ballot in NY for making dodgy residency claims, but this probably helps my NC bet.

    RFK Jr. can stay on North Carolina ballot, judge says
    https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4824989-rfk-jr-north-carolina-ballot-judge-rules/

    Might help Harris there too.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 61,470
    Excellent piece. Thanks @ydoethur
  • ArchvaldorArchvaldor Posts: 16
    Foxy said:

    Sandpit said:

    What a horrible story. Young girl stabbed in the street by a man she didn’t know, in front of her mother.

    A serious drugs or mental health problem?

    A man has been charged with attempted murder after an 11-year-old girl was stabbed in Leicester Square.

    “The Metropolitan Police said its officers went to the scene of a stabbing in London on Monday where the girl was found with stab wounds.

    “She was taken to hospital where her injuries, while serious, were assessed as non-life threatening, the force said.

    “Ioan Pintaru, 32, of no fixed address, was charged with attempted murder and possession of a bladed article.

    “It was initially believed that the girl’s mother, a 34-year-old woman, was also hurt however it was later confirmed that blood from her daughter’s injuries had been mistaken for injuries of her own.

    “He was remanded in custody to appear at Westminster Magistrates’ Court on Tuesday morning.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/08/13/man-charged-attempted-murder-leicester-square-stabbing/

    Interesting piece that doesn't mention the bravery of Abdullah in disarming the man and holding him until police come. A curious omission.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/aug/12/man-held-after-woman-and-girl-stabbed-in-london-leicester-square
    Comin' over here, bravely defendin' our citizentry...
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,112
    Taz said:

    ydoethur said:

    Taz said:

    ydoethur said:

    Thank you to Mr Eagles for publishing this - and tipping me off about the photo so I delayed having breakfast.

    Hope people find it of interest.

    The picture or your breakfast ?
    Well, if people want to know about a breakfast of dried fruits and strong tea...
    That's not a breakfast.
    What is, a cold slice of leftover Hawaii'n pizza from the night before !!!!!
    Croissants, pain au choc and baguette (plus an esomeprazole tablet) from the local boulangerie this morning, and this was the view from bed as we woke up for the first time in our newly renovated barn


  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,084

    Taz said:

    ydoethur said:

    Taz said:

    ydoethur said:

    Thank you to Mr Eagles for publishing this - and tipping me off about the photo so I delayed having breakfast.

    Hope people find it of interest.

    The picture or your breakfast ?
    Well, if people want to know about a breakfast of dried fruits and strong tea...
    Nice one. Strong tea here and fruit with yoghurt.
    For slices of fruit loaf with margarine, and two crumpets, with tea.

    Then again, I've already done a three-mile run this morning. :)
    Before her old man gets home from his night shift?
  • Nigelb said:

    I see Trump was hallucinating again last night.

    Trump on what he said to Vladimir Putin regarding Ukraine:

    "I said to Vladimir Putin, 'Don’t do it. You can’t do it, Vladimir. If you do it, it’s going to be a bad day. You cannot do it.'

    And I told him what I’d do.

    And he said, 'No way,' and I said, 'Way.'"..

    https://x.com/yashar/status/1823182083935940801

    You put the wrong link in.

    https://x.com/_dhotya
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 68,757
    .
    ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    Off the ballot in NY for making dodgy residency claims, but this probably helps my NC bet.

    RFK Jr. can stay on North Carolina ballot, judge says
    https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4824989-rfk-jr-north-carolina-ballot-judge-rules/

    Might help Harris there too.
    Yes, that's my bet.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,226
    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    A 12 week abortion limit proposed for Nebraska is the same as in Germany so hardly a major outlier as far as I am concerned. The issue will also drive evengelical turnout for Republicans and Trump and some conservative Roman Catholic turnout for them, including pro life Hispanics

    That's what you think will happen Hyufd. Catch is, that's not what the data says. Even in Montana they can't get tighter abortion laws past the citizens.

    What appears to have happened is that anti-abortion activists thought because they were noisy and well-organised and their opponents didn't seem that bothered, they were a majority of the country. Turns out this was a serious miscalculation. They are a minority, and while they are a significant minority everywhere they have asked the question they've been knocked back by the majority. Who also, as an aside, seem to then vote Blue as a further FU to the party supporting abortion restrictions.
    I suspect the anti-abortion activists are shouting too much and explaining too little.

    A 12 week limit sounds like a halving of abortion rights but 88% of abortions happen before that point.

    https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2019/04/raw-data-abortions-by-week-of-pregnancy/

    Perhaps the political sweet spot would be between 12 and 15 weeks which would still allow 95% of abortions.

    The GOP really need to shift the focus from their abortion obsessives demanding a total ban on abortion and onto Dem abortion obsessives demanding totally unrestricted abortion.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,084

    Sandpit said:

    What a horrible story. Young girl stabbed in the street by a man she didn’t know, in front of her mother.

    A serious drugs or mental health problem?

    A man has been charged with attempted murder after an 11-year-old girl was stabbed in Leicester Square.

    “The Metropolitan Police said its officers went to the scene of a stabbing in London on Monday where the girl was found with stab wounds.

    “She was taken to hospital where her injuries, while serious, were assessed as non-life threatening, the force said.

    “Ioan Pintaru, 32, of no fixed address, was charged with attempted murder and possession of a bladed article.

    “It was initially believed that the girl’s mother, a 34-year-old woman, was also hurt however it was later confirmed that blood from her daughter’s injuries had been mistaken for injuries of her own.

    “He was remanded in custody to appear at Westminster Magistrates’ Court on Tuesday morning.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/08/13/man-charged-attempted-murder-leicester-square-stabbing/

    I've suggested before that some Eastern European countries may have encouraged their 'problem people' to make a one way trip to the UK.
    Donald Trump made the same charge to Elon Musk in his TwiX interview overnight, that Central American countries were exporting their criminals and even unproductive people to the United States.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 50,605

    Sandpit said:

    What a horrible story. Young girl stabbed in the street by a man she didn’t know, in front of her mother.

    A serious drugs or mental health problem?

    A man has been charged with attempted murder after an 11-year-old girl was stabbed in Leicester Square.

    “The Metropolitan Police said its officers went to the scene of a stabbing in London on Monday where the girl was found with stab wounds.

    “She was taken to hospital where her injuries, while serious, were assessed as non-life threatening, the force said.

    “Ioan Pintaru, 32, of no fixed address, was charged with attempted murder and possession of a bladed article.

    “It was initially believed that the girl’s mother, a 34-year-old woman, was also hurt however it was later confirmed that blood from her daughter’s injuries had been mistaken for injuries of her own.

    “He was remanded in custody to appear at Westminster Magistrates’ Court on Tuesday morning.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/08/13/man-charged-attempted-murder-leicester-square-stabbing/

    I've suggested before that some Eastern European countries may have encouraged their 'problem people' to make a one way trip to the UK.
    Donald Trump made the same charge to Elon Musk in his TwiX interview overnight, that Central American countries were exporting their criminals and even unproductive people to the United States.
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-12-28/venezuela-s-violent-deaths-fall-to-22-year-low-on-migration

    Venezuela’s rate of violent deaths dropped to its lowest level in more than two decades following years of massive migration as both criminals and victims fled the nation’s economic crisis.
  • TazTaz Posts: 13,605

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    ydoethur said:

    Taz said:

    ydoethur said:

    Thank you to Mr Eagles for publishing this - and tipping me off about the photo so I delayed having breakfast.

    Hope people find it of interest.

    The picture or your breakfast ?
    Well, if people want to know about a breakfast of dried fruits and strong tea...
    Nice one. Strong tea here and fruit with yoghurt.
    For slices of fruit loaf with margarine, and two crumpets, with tea.

    Then again, I've already done a three-mile run this morning. :)
    That's alot of carbs !!!!

    I've done a five mile cycle ride. Not quite the exertion of a 3 mile run but taxing all the same to a nearly 60 year old !!!!
    I did my second sprint triathlon on Sunday, on the same course as my first. I beat my time on all five segments (inc. transitions), so am very happy. This was tempered by the fact a gent about my age, more portly than me, and doing his first-ever triathlon (*), beat me in every segment bar T2.

    (*) His neighbour bought an expensive Triathlon/TT bike, used it a couple of times, then realised he did not like the sport. His neighbour offered it to him cheap, so he decided to try a triathlon on it... The sport seems filled with people who spend thousands on kit, then realise they don't actually like the sport.
    Not too disimilar to people, like a friend of mine, who took out a years gym membership a few years back only to realise he didn't like going.

    I used to have an old Apollo bike and have migrated to a Carrera Crossfire, which is perfect for me.

    One of our managers at work does Triathlons. He is extremely fit suffice to say.
  • HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    A 12 week abortion limit proposed for Nebraska is the same as in Germany so hardly a major outlier as far as I am concerned. The issue will also drive evengelical turnout for Republicans and Trump and some conservative Roman Catholic turnout for them, including pro life Hispanics

    That's what you think will happen Hyufd. Catch is, that's not what the data says. Even in Montana they can't get tighter abortion laws past the citizens.

    What appears to have happened is that anti-abortion activists thought because they were noisy and well-organised and their opponents didn't seem that bothered, they were a majority of the country. Turns out this was a serious miscalculation. They are a minority, and while they are a significant minority everywhere they have asked the question they've been knocked back by the majority. Who also, as an aside, seem to then vote Blue as a further FU to the party supporting abortion restrictions.
    For anti abortion activists even just higher restrictions in a few southern states is better than the US wide abortion on demand effectively there was with Roe v Wade
    Nope. You don't live here. They don't want "even just higher restrictions", they're nutters who think that a single cell is a human being. No exceptions for rape or anything.

    The vast majority see them as nutters and are voting accordingly.

    Roe was settled until Trump came along. Even Biden had a fighting chance in November because of Dobbs. What we've seen in Kansas et al shows this. I'd be seriously looking at odds of Harris taking Florida.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 61,470
    Nigelb said:

    I see Trump was hallucinating again last night.

    Trump on what he said to Vladimir Putin regarding Ukraine:

    "I said to Vladimir Putin, 'Don’t do it. You can’t do it, Vladimir. If you do it, it’s going to be a bad day. You cannot do it.'

    And I told him what I’d do.

    And he said, 'No way,' and I said, 'Way.'"..

    https://x.com/yashar/status/1823182083935940801

    Dangerous times.

    Let's hope to god that Harris prevails.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,084

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    A 12 week abortion limit proposed for Nebraska is the same as in Germany so hardly a major outlier as far as I am concerned. The issue will also drive evengelical turnout for Republicans and Trump and some conservative Roman Catholic turnout for them, including pro life Hispanics

    That's what you think will happen Hyufd. Catch is, that's not what the data says. Even in Montana they can't get tighter abortion laws past the citizens.

    What appears to have happened is that anti-abortion activists thought because they were noisy and well-organised and their opponents didn't seem that bothered, they were a majority of the country. Turns out this was a serious miscalculation. They are a minority, and while they are a significant minority everywhere they have asked the question they've been knocked back by the majority. Who also, as an aside, seem to then vote Blue as a further FU to the party supporting abortion restrictions.
    I suspect the anti-abortion activists are shouting too much and explaining too little.

    A 12 week limit sounds like a halving of abortion rights but 88% of abortions happen before that point.

    https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2019/04/raw-data-abortions-by-week-of-pregnancy/

    Perhaps the political sweet spot would be between 12 and 15 weeks which would still allow 95% of abortions.

    The GOP really need to shift the focus from their abortion obsessives demanding a total ban on abortion and onto Dem abortion obsessives demanding totally unrestricted abortion.
    Even the upper limit will be misleading as late abortions will overwhelmingly be due to medical emergencies and not capricious mothers changing their minds after six or seven months.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 68,757

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    So they've deleted this tweet.


    I shall have to poke the local Corbynite stand at lunchtime.

    Perhaps - Russia need to trade land for peace?
    Meanwhile, the Ukranian invasion of Russia continues unabated, with more gains yesterday.
    https://x.com/thestudyofwar/status/1823168917550047675

    Even one Ukranian MP has turned up, having taken leave of absence from Parliament in Kiev.
    https://x.com/osinttechnical/status/1823128362480517580

    The Russians appear to be unable to defend the region at all, with reports of 1,000 sq km now captured, and 100,000 civilians evacuated. Presumably the latter have their phones confiscated and get sent on a long coach trip to Siberia, to stop them talking to anyone about what’s actually happening in Kursk Oblast.
    That's not entirely accurate.
    Ukraine is beginning to encounter serious resistance in some places, as is apparent from the reports posted here:
    https://x.com/UAControlMap/status/1823238189475115411
    I wonder how serious that resistance remained once their co-ordinates were fed to HIMARS.

    The previous convoy sent to resist is said to have resulted in HIMARs claiming 1,000 dead Russians.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSicqLrMgho
    Fairly serious.
    Ukraine lost an Abrams, a howitzer, and half a dozen IFVs, along with a load of utility vehicles, according to the guys who keep tally, Though the Russian did also hit their own column.

    I suspect they're getting close to the point where they have to decide whether to dig in (and if so where), or manoeuvre back towards the Russian from line. But I'm guessing like everyone else; their operational security is pretty good.
  • ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    A 12 week abortion limit proposed for Nebraska is the same as in Germany so hardly a major outlier as far as I am concerned. The issue will also drive evengelical turnout for Republicans and Trump and some conservative Roman Catholic turnout for them, including pro life Hispanics

    That's what you think will happen Hyufd. Catch is, that's not what the data says. Even in Montana they can't get tighter abortion laws past the citizens.

    What appears to have happened is that anti-abortion activists thought because they were noisy and well-organised and their opponents didn't seem that bothered, they were a majority of the country. Turns out this was a serious miscalculation. They are a minority, and while they are a significant minority everywhere they have asked the question they've been knocked back by the majority. Who also, as an aside, seem to then vote Blue as a further FU to the party supporting abortion restrictions.
    I suspect the anti-abortion activists are shouting too much and explaining too little.

    A 12 week limit sounds like a halving of abortion rights but 88% of abortions happen before that point.

    https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2019/04/raw-data-abortions-by-week-of-pregnancy/

    Perhaps the political sweet spot would be between 12 and 15 weeks which would still allow 95% of abortions.

    The GOP really need to shift the focus from their abortion obsessives demanding a total ban on abortion and onto Dem abortion obsessives demanding totally unrestricted abortion.
    Or the sweet spot is to let people determine their own healthcare.

    Misleading to suggest that only 5% of abortions happen after 15 weeks without considering why those people choose to have an abortion at that time.

    A lot of medical tests and screening can only occur after 15 weeks and that then is in that data.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 21,866
    kamski said:

    Foxy said:

    Sandpit said:

    What a horrible story. Young girl stabbed in the street by a man she didn’t know, in front of her mother.

    A serious drugs or mental health problem?

    A man has been charged with attempted murder after an 11-year-old girl was stabbed in Leicester Square.

    “The Metropolitan Police said its officers went to the scene of a stabbing in London on Monday where the girl was found with stab wounds.

    “She was taken to hospital where her injuries, while serious, were assessed as non-life threatening, the force said.

    “Ioan Pintaru, 32, of no fixed address, was charged with attempted murder and possession of a bladed article.

    “It was initially believed that the girl’s mother, a 34-year-old woman, was also hurt however it was later confirmed that blood from her daughter’s injuries had been mistaken for injuries of her own.

    “He was remanded in custody to appear at Westminster Magistrates’ Court on Tuesday morning.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/08/13/man-charged-attempted-murder-leicester-square-stabbing/

    Interesting piece that doesn't mention the bravery of Abdullah in disarming the man and holding him until police come. A curious omission.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/aug/12/man-held-after-woman-and-girl-stabbed-in-london-leicester-square
    It was the "Two-tier Telegraph" so not curious at all. But how do you know Abdullah wasn't mentioned - isn't the Telegraph pay-walled?
    Full Telegraph piece:
    https://archive.ph/Xq8HF
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 68,757
    Trump declares he's a flight risk, come November.
    https://x.com/atrupar/status/1823187232100090241

    Not sure Venezuela is a great choice though.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 70,627

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    A 12 week abortion limit proposed for Nebraska is the same as in Germany so hardly a major outlier as far as I am concerned. The issue will also drive evengelical turnout for Republicans and Trump and some conservative Roman Catholic turnout for them, including pro life Hispanics

    That's what you think will happen Hyufd. Catch is, that's not what the data says. Even in Montana they can't get tighter abortion laws past the citizens.

    What appears to have happened is that anti-abortion activists thought because they were noisy and well-organised and their opponents didn't seem that bothered, they were a majority of the country. Turns out this was a serious miscalculation. They are a minority, and while they are a significant minority everywhere they have asked the question they've been knocked back by the majority. Who also, as an aside, seem to then vote Blue as a further FU to the party supporting abortion restrictions.
    I suspect the anti-abortion activists are shouting too much and explaining too little.

    A 12 week limit sounds like a halving of abortion rights but 88% of abortions happen before that point.

    https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2019/04/raw-data-abortions-by-week-of-pregnancy/

    Perhaps the political sweet spot would be between 12 and 15 weeks which would still allow 95% of abortions.

    The GOP really need to shift the focus from their abortion obsessives demanding a total ban on abortion and onto Dem abortion obsessives demanding totally unrestricted abortion.
    The problem with that analysis is that current circumstances are shining the spotlight very firmly on Republican legislators making very strict, even total, restrictions on abortion in Republican or toss-up states.

    And given a choice between laws they think are too liberal or laws that are too restrictive, American voters are invariably choosing the former.

    This isn't a situation where the small number of 'abortion at all times and in all circumstances' advocates are actually significant. And if they were, they wouldn't be in states where the Republicans could exploit it. Which brings us back to the header.
  • Nunu5Nunu5 Posts: 954
    I just woke up to the thought of Harris winning the popular vote by a comfortable 3-4% margin but Trump winning the EC do to wwc rural going further right.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,226

    Sandpit said:

    What a horrible story. Young girl stabbed in the street by a man she didn’t know, in front of her mother.

    A serious drugs or mental health problem?

    A man has been charged with attempted murder after an 11-year-old girl was stabbed in Leicester Square.

    “The Metropolitan Police said its officers went to the scene of a stabbing in London on Monday where the girl was found with stab wounds.

    “She was taken to hospital where her injuries, while serious, were assessed as non-life threatening, the force said.

    “Ioan Pintaru, 32, of no fixed address, was charged with attempted murder and possession of a bladed article.

    “It was initially believed that the girl’s mother, a 34-year-old woman, was also hurt however it was later confirmed that blood from her daughter’s injuries had been mistaken for injuries of her own.

    “He was remanded in custody to appear at Westminster Magistrates’ Court on Tuesday morning.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/08/13/man-charged-attempted-murder-leicester-square-stabbing/

    I've suggested before that some Eastern European countries may have encouraged their 'problem people' to make a one way trip to the UK.
    Donald Trump made the same charge to Elon Musk in his TwiX interview overnight, that Central American countries were exporting their criminals and even unproductive people to the United States.
    Why wouldn't they - criminals, disabled, homeless, drug addicts, unemployables - the people who cause most societal problems and are a drain on government resources.

    It is after all what this country did in transporting its problem people to the early American and Australian colonies.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 53,240

    Nunu5 said:

    A third of Brits justify violence against Asylum Seekers.

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/1823073108439228805

    How does that compare to British Muslims sympathy for the Hamas attacks?

    Thankfully its a flawed, dodgy, BS poll, we discussed it last night.
    Until we see the data and methodology, we can have serious doubts - but not definite conclusions
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 70,627
    edited August 13

    Sandpit said:

    What a horrible story. Young girl stabbed in the street by a man she didn’t know, in front of her mother.

    A serious drugs or mental health problem?

    A man has been charged with attempted murder after an 11-year-old girl was stabbed in Leicester Square.

    “The Metropolitan Police said its officers went to the scene of a stabbing in London on Monday where the girl was found with stab wounds.

    “She was taken to hospital where her injuries, while serious, were assessed as non-life threatening, the force said.

    “Ioan Pintaru, 32, of no fixed address, was charged with attempted murder and possession of a bladed article.

    “It was initially believed that the girl’s mother, a 34-year-old woman, was also hurt however it was later confirmed that blood from her daughter’s injuries had been mistaken for injuries of her own.

    “He was remanded in custody to appear at Westminster Magistrates’ Court on Tuesday morning.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/08/13/man-charged-attempted-murder-leicester-square-stabbing/

    I've suggested before that some Eastern European countries may have encouraged their 'problem people' to make a one way trip to the UK.
    Donald Trump made the same charge to Elon Musk in his TwiX interview overnight, that Central American countries were exporting their criminals and even unproductive people to the United States.
    Why wouldn't they - criminals, disabled, homeless, drug addicts, unemployables - the people who cause most societal problems and are a drain on government resources.

    It is after all what this country did in transporting its problem people to the early American and Australian colonies.
    The major criminals causing most societal problems and drains on government resources in Venezuela are unfortunately still there, and still in government.
  • Leon said:

    Nunu5 said:

    A third of Brits justify violence against Asylum Seekers.

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/1823073108439228805

    How does that compare to British Muslims sympathy for the Hamas attacks?

    Thankfully its a flawed, dodgy, BS poll, we discussed it last night.
    Until we see the data and methodology, we can have serious doubts - but not definite conclusions
    The question as written is BS.

    Either the write-up of the question is nonsense, or the poll is nonsense. Either way, its nonsense.
  • eekeek Posts: 27,481
    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    What a horrible story. Young girl stabbed in the street by a man she didn’t know, in front of her mother.

    A serious drugs or mental health problem?

    A man has been charged with attempted murder after an 11-year-old girl was stabbed in Leicester Square.

    “The Metropolitan Police said its officers went to the scene of a stabbing in London on Monday where the girl was found with stab wounds.

    “She was taken to hospital where her injuries, while serious, were assessed as non-life threatening, the force said.

    “Ioan Pintaru, 32, of no fixed address, was charged with attempted murder and possession of a bladed article.

    “It was initially believed that the girl’s mother, a 34-year-old woman, was also hurt however it was later confirmed that blood from her daughter’s injuries had been mistaken for injuries of her own.

    “He was remanded in custody to appear at Westminster Magistrates’ Court on Tuesday morning.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/08/13/man-charged-attempted-murder-leicester-square-stabbing/

    I've suggested before that some Eastern European countries may have encouraged their 'problem people' to make a one way trip to the UK.
    Donald Trump made the same charge to Elon Musk in his TwiX interview overnight, that Central American countries were exporting their criminals and even unproductive people to the United States.
    Why wouldn't they - criminals, disabled, homeless, drug addicts, unemployables - the people who cause most societal problems and are a drain on government resources.

    It is after all what this country did in transporting its problem people to the early American and Australian colonies.
    The major criminals causing most societal problems and drains on government resources in Venezuela are unfortunately still there, and still in government.
    So you are saying that Trump would fit right in - perhaps being able to demonstrate a few tricks they don't know whilst learning a few new ones himself?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 53,240

    Sandpit said:

    What a horrible story. Young girl stabbed in the street by a man she didn’t know, in front of her mother.

    A serious drugs or mental health problem?

    A man has been charged with attempted murder after an 11-year-old girl was stabbed in Leicester Square.

    “The Metropolitan Police said its officers went to the scene of a stabbing in London on Monday where the girl was found with stab wounds.

    “She was taken to hospital where her injuries, while serious, were assessed as non-life threatening, the force said.

    “Ioan Pintaru, 32, of no fixed address, was charged with attempted murder and possession of a bladed article.

    “It was initially believed that the girl’s mother, a 34-year-old woman, was also hurt however it was later confirmed that blood from her daughter’s injuries had been mistaken for injuries of her own.

    “He was remanded in custody to appear at Westminster Magistrates’ Court on Tuesday morning.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/08/13/man-charged-attempted-murder-leicester-square-stabbing/

    I've suggested before that some Eastern European countries may have encouraged their 'problem people' to make a one way trip to the UK.
    He’s clearly Romanian - the Leicester Square stabber. There are a lot of Romanian homeless in central London, and quite a few have mental issues (as described of this villain). All seems to fit
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,139

    ydoethur said:

    Thank you to Mr Eagles for publishing this - and tipping me off about the photo so I delayed having breakfast.

    Hope people find it of interest.

    It's my all time favourite photo on PB.
    Why do all Republican women look like that?
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 21,448
    edited August 13

    Sandpit said:

    What a horrible story. Young girl stabbed in the street by a man she didn’t know, in front of her mother.

    A serious drugs or mental health problem?

    A man has been charged with attempted murder after an 11-year-old girl was stabbed in Leicester Square.

    “The Metropolitan Police said its officers went to the scene of a stabbing in London on Monday where the girl was found with stab wounds.

    “She was taken to hospital where her injuries, while serious, were assessed as non-life threatening, the force said.

    “Ioan Pintaru, 32, of no fixed address, was charged with attempted murder and possession of a bladed article.

    “It was initially believed that the girl’s mother, a 34-year-old woman, was also hurt however it was later confirmed that blood from her daughter’s injuries had been mistaken for injuries of her own.

    “He was remanded in custody to appear at Westminster Magistrates’ Court on Tuesday morning.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/08/13/man-charged-attempted-murder-leicester-square-stabbing/

    I've suggested before that some Eastern European countries may have encouraged their 'problem people' to make a one way trip to the UK.
    Donald Trump made the same charge to Elon Musk in his TwiX interview overnight, that Central American countries were exporting their criminals and even unproductive people to the United States.
    Why wouldn't they - criminals, disabled, homeless, drug addicts, unemployables - the people who cause most societal problems and are a drain on government resources.

    It is after all what this country did in transporting its problem people to the early American and Australian colonies.
    Criminals, disabled, homeless, drug addicts, unemployables etc are normally too poor or too weak to be able to migrate without someone supporting them to do so.

    Migration increases as people become wealthier and more self-sufficient and able to pay to move.

    Hence the paradox that increased economic development increases emigration.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 70,627
    edited August 13
    eek said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    What a horrible story. Young girl stabbed in the street by a man she didn’t know, in front of her mother.

    A serious drugs or mental health problem?

    A man has been charged with attempted murder after an 11-year-old girl was stabbed in Leicester Square.

    “The Metropolitan Police said its officers went to the scene of a stabbing in London on Monday where the girl was found with stab wounds.

    “She was taken to hospital where her injuries, while serious, were assessed as non-life threatening, the force said.

    “Ioan Pintaru, 32, of no fixed address, was charged with attempted murder and possession of a bladed article.

    “It was initially believed that the girl’s mother, a 34-year-old woman, was also hurt however it was later confirmed that blood from her daughter’s injuries had been mistaken for injuries of her own.

    “He was remanded in custody to appear at Westminster Magistrates’ Court on Tuesday morning.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/08/13/man-charged-attempted-murder-leicester-square-stabbing/

    I've suggested before that some Eastern European countries may have encouraged their 'problem people' to make a one way trip to the UK.
    Donald Trump made the same charge to Elon Musk in his TwiX interview overnight, that Central American countries were exporting their criminals and even unproductive people to the United States.
    Why wouldn't they - criminals, disabled, homeless, drug addicts, unemployables - the people who cause most societal problems and are a drain on government resources.

    It is after all what this country did in transporting its problem people to the early American and Australian colonies.
    The major criminals causing most societal problems and drains on government resources in Venezuela are unfortunately still there, and still in government.
    So you are saying that Trump would fit right in - perhaps being able to demonstrate a few tricks they don't know whilst learning a few new ones himself?
    Well, the Chavistas are much better at rigging elections. And hanging on to power when they lose them anyway because everyone hates them so much.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,226
    edited August 13
    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    What a horrible story. Young girl stabbed in the street by a man she didn’t know, in front of her mother.

    A serious drugs or mental health problem?

    A man has been charged with attempted murder after an 11-year-old girl was stabbed in Leicester Square.

    “The Metropolitan Police said its officers went to the scene of a stabbing in London on Monday where the girl was found with stab wounds.

    “She was taken to hospital where her injuries, while serious, were assessed as non-life threatening, the force said.

    “Ioan Pintaru, 32, of no fixed address, was charged with attempted murder and possession of a bladed article.

    “It was initially believed that the girl’s mother, a 34-year-old woman, was also hurt however it was later confirmed that blood from her daughter’s injuries had been mistaken for injuries of her own.

    “He was remanded in custody to appear at Westminster Magistrates’ Court on Tuesday morning.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/08/13/man-charged-attempted-murder-leicester-square-stabbing/

    I've suggested before that some Eastern European countries may have encouraged their 'problem people' to make a one way trip to the UK.
    Donald Trump made the same charge to Elon Musk in his TwiX interview overnight, that Central American countries were exporting their criminals and even unproductive people to the United States.
    Why wouldn't they - criminals, disabled, homeless, drug addicts, unemployables - the people who cause most societal problems and are a drain on government resources.

    It is after all what this country did in transporting its problem people to the early American and Australian colonies.
    The major criminals causing most societal problems and drains on government resources in Venezuela are unfortunately still there, and still in government.
    Indeed.

    Likewise in Cuba where back in 1980 there was this:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariel_boatlift

    which included:

    The U.S. government claimed to be ready to accept Marielito refugees with open-arms on May 5, 1980; however, this was short-lived after President Carter accused Castro of sending mostly criminals to the United States June 7 of the same year. Castro denied President Carter’s accusation only one week later, yet he agreed to accept 3,000 Marielitos back into Cuba. Remarkably, this was the only time Castro agreed to allow criminals back to the island for the next 30+ years.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marielitos_(gangs)
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