Remember that weird, and probably shite-stirring, piece in the DT the other day about Home Counties people supposedly having to pay more for Scottish electricity? With a pretty map of weird zones like some new Heptarchy? The timing might be to do with this ...
.... while making the already ugly bits even uglier. Everything we do, these days, feels like self harm. I cannot wait to escape
I’d rather have electricity than a good view.
Other countries seem to manage both; not us
Who knows. I think though if you compare us to France we're doing a better job of not being ugly. France has it's troubles but is really working at the issues. Personally I think both countries are a field of wonder where unlike mixes with like and produces something far better.
"I think though if you compare us to France we're doing a better job of not being ugly."
AHAHAHAHAHAHA
Having just spent 9 of the last 12 weeks travelling all over France I can sadly assure you that France is vastly more beautiful than the UK, and, not only that, they are striving to make it even lovelier, and often suceeding, even as we do the exact opposite
Ah, by ugly I meant socially unpleasant, which I assume you meant in the first place. Doesn't matter though.
I see Margaret Hodge has commented Labour shouldn't be frightened to talk about immigration.
Quite right.
There's a rule (Stodge's Seventh Political Law) which states "If you don't want to talk about a subject, someone else will. If you talk about the subject first, you can frame the conversation, if someone else does, they will."
At the moment, the immigration debate is being framed squarely by those who are "concerned" or "worried" or "anxious". No one is coming about with the positive argument for immigration (there is a strong economic one) or even the "we might not like it but we need it" argument.
There are echoes of the 2016 debate which was quickly controlled by those voices hostile to the EU - as we've often argued, those who wanted to offer a positive message either wouldn't or couldn't using words which worked for the public.
Another problem is the belief that if you engage in a debate with populist issues, you are somehow endorsing populist policies.
No.
Find different answers to the question. Trumpism came about through some social and structural issues in the US. Biden attempted to answer those problems with actual, sensible solutions.
Just got back online after a weekend without internet. Wow. As far as the riots go, it seems to me unquestionable that Sir Keir has played a blinder. The man will reign supreme over the issue of law and order for the foreseeable future. As for the British Right - they (Farage in particular) have got themselves into a right old pickle. Not sure where they go from here.
Except that we've not had any VI polling. But we have seen SKS's personal rating plummeting. So there’s that.
But yeh, apart from actual facts, yep, legendary crisis management.
On a tangential note, it is great to see Charles maturing into his Kingship and failing to take the same overtly political line on the riots that SKS has taken. Given his instincts politically, it must have been tempting, but he's kept his nose clean. He must be getting good advice from somewhere.
I too think that Starmer has played a blinder in response to the riots. They're now utterly quashed and the rioters are getting their just deserts in a hardline response. There is as yet no up to date polling to back up whether my view is shared, but I'll back my judgement in the meantime. What polling there was on Starmer's favourability was more general and was also taken at a point when the riots appeared briefly out of control, so it is likely to be positively misleading on the question of how the government handled the riots specifically.
Unsurprisingly the state saw off this challenge to its authority. However hubris has set in. There is one case where a judge has remanded someone for just being present at the scene of some disorder, another where someone got a 2 year sentence for 'gesticulating' at the police. There is various other stuff, like one where a guy in the midlands went on an ill advised monologue about free speech on Twitter, in doing so retweeting another dodgy tweet, and ended up with 38 months in jail, he has 3 kids and grew up in care etc, they are losing their council house.
For the government to maintain the plausibility of the narrative that this is 'the justice system running its course without fear or favour', instances like the above need to be rapidly corrected. At the moment they are being used by Musk etc as evidence in support of their view of the situation. They also risk unnerving their 'left liberal' support base if they carry on with things like the above.
That's genuinely despicable about the Twitter man; I didn't know that. I don't know how anybody with a moral compass could support that.
Is this the man?
'He tweeted on Wednesday: "Mass deportations now, set fire to all the f***ing hotels full of the b******s for all I care... If that makes me racist, so be it". '
If so, Darkage' s description of the case doesn't seem accurate
That is a quote tweet (of a tweet by the councillor's wife), and it was part of a sequence of tweets where he actually tagged the police, because he was trying to prove a political point
In the circs, even quote-tweeting was foolish, but the intent was not to foment trouble, it was to query police tactics
For that he has got more than three years in jail, and he's lost his home
A few weeks cooling down in chokey would have been sufficient. Three years??
There's a picture of the actual tweet in the news story I linked to above, I don't how to do pictures here, so maybe someone can post it so people can judge for themselves.
As for tagging the police the only sign of that I can see is that in the list of hashtags under the tweet it has #f***northamptonshirepolice
If you are right then please provide a source, please don't take this the wrong way, but experience has taught me that you are often full of shit
Likewise, I find you consitently full of shit, rancid with hypocrisy, also myopic, ludicrous, and idiotic, and dumb as a fucking pit-pony AS WELL, but honestly it's nothing personal
Here's the evidence
"TYLER KAY WENT TO PRISON AND LOST HIS HOUSE FOR COPYING A POST ON X
Tyler was sentenced to 38 months in prison for copying a post made on X by Lucy Connolly, the wife of a Conservative councilor.
The post read: “Mass deportation now, set fire to all the f*king hotels full of the ba*ards for all I care…If that makes me a racist, so be it.”
Lucy had been arrested for the post, and Tyler was trying to prove that he wouldn’t be arrested.
He made this clear in a reply to his post, stating: “My point is more, it’s one rule for some and another rule for others.”
Despite his barrister explaining he was immature, had grown up in care, and would lose his council house as a result of a prison sentence, the judge said he “clearly intended to incite serious violence.”
He then sent Tyler, a father of 3, to prison for 3 years and 2 months.
i believe the arrest and conviction was correct. Even copying an incendiary tweet to make a point is extremely foolish during a time of tiots. But 3 years 2 months in jail?
The authoritarian state has gone mad
The Met police quote retweeted the video of the the labour councillor who wanted to slash throats. I was a bit surprised by that one. Surely their social media person should be going down for a stretch.
Just got back online after a weekend without internet. Wow. As far as the riots go, it seems to me unquestionable that Sir Keir has played a blinder. The man will reign supreme over the issue of law and order for the foreseeable future. As for the British Right - they (Farage in particular) have got themselves into a right old pickle. Not sure where they go from here.
Except that we've not had any VI polling. But we have seen SKS's personal rating plummeting. So there’s that.
But yeh, apart from actual facts, yep, legendary crisis management.
On a tangential note, it is great to see Charles maturing into his Kingship and failing to take the same overtly political line on the riots that SKS has taken. Given his instincts politically, it must have been tempting, but he's kept his nose clean. He must be getting good advice from somewhere.
I too think that Starmer has played a blinder in response to the riots. They're now utterly quashed and the rioters are getting their just deserts in a hardline response. There is as yet no up to date polling to back up whether my view is shared, but I'll back my judgement in the meantime. What polling there was on Starmer's favourability was more general and was also taken at a point when the riots appeared briefly out of control, so it is likely to be positively misleading on the question of how the government handled the riots specifically.
Unsurprisingly the state saw off this challenge to its authority. However hubris has set in. There is one case where a judge has remanded someone for just being present at the scene of some disorder, another where someone got a 2 year sentence for 'gesticulating' at the police. There is various other stuff, like one where a guy in the midlands went on an ill advised monologue about free speech on Twitter, in doing so retweeting another dodgy tweet, and ended up with 38 months in jail, he has 3 kids and grew up in care etc, they are losing their council house.
For the government to maintain the plausibility of the narrative that this is 'the justice system running its course without fear or favour', instances like the above need to be rapidly corrected. At the moment they are being used by Musk etc as evidence in support of their view of the situation. They also risk unnerving their 'left liberal' support base if they carry on with things like the above.
That's genuinely despicable about the Twitter man; I didn't know that. I don't know how anybody with a moral compass could support that.
Is this the man?
'He tweeted on Wednesday: "Mass deportations now, set fire to all the f***ing hotels full of the b******s for all I care... If that makes me racist, so be it". '
If so, Darkage' s description of the case doesn't seem accurate
That is a quote tweet (of a tweet by the councillor's wife), and it was part of a sequence of tweets where he actually tagged the police, because he was trying to prove a political point
In the circs, even quote-tweeting was foolish, but the intent was not to foment trouble, it was to query police tactics
For that he has got more than three years in jail, and he's lost his home
A few weeks cooling down in chokey would have been sufficient. Three years??
There's a picture of the actual tweet in the news story I linked to above, I don't how to do pictures here, so maybe someone can post it so people can judge for themselves.
As for tagging the police the only sign of that I can see is that in the list of hashtags under the tweet it has #f***northamptonshirepolice
If you are right then please provide a source, please don't take this the wrong way, but experience has taught me that you are often full of shit
Likewise, I find you consitently full of shit, rancid with hypocrisy, also myopic, ludicrous, and idiotic, and dumb as a fucking pit-pony AS WELL, but honestly it's nothing personal
Here's the evidence
"TYLER KAY WENT TO PRISON AND LOST HIS HOUSE FOR COPYING A POST ON X
Tyler was sentenced to 38 months in prison for copying a post made on X by Lucy Connolly, the wife of a Conservative councilor.
The post read: “Mass deportation now, set fire to all the f*king hotels full of the ba*ards for all I care…If that makes me a racist, so be it.”
Lucy had been arrested for the post, and Tyler was trying to prove that he wouldn’t be arrested.
He made this clear in a reply to his post, stating: “My point is more, it’s one rule for some and another rule for others.”
Despite his barrister explaining he was immature, had grown up in care, and would lose his council house as a result of a prison sentence, the judge said he “clearly intended to incite serious violence.”
He then sent Tyler, a father of 3, to prison for 3 years and 2 months.
i believe the arrest and conviction was correct. Even copying an incendiary tweet to make a point is extremely foolish during a time of tiots. But 3 years 2 months in jail?
The authoritarian state has gone mad
So long as he remains a good boy in prison he will be out on tag in nine and a half months time.
Are you sure? - release point is currently 40% rather than 50% of sentence which I make to be 15 months or so..
Just got back online after a weekend without internet. Wow. As far as the riots go, it seems to me unquestionable that Sir Keir has played a blinder. The man will reign supreme over the issue of law and order for the foreseeable future. As for the British Right - they (Farage in particular) have got themselves into a right old pickle. Not sure where they go from here.
Except that we've not had any VI polling. But we have seen SKS's personal rating plummeting. So there’s that.
But yeh, apart from actual facts, yep, legendary crisis management.
On a tangential note, it is great to see Charles maturing into his Kingship and failing to take the same overtly political line on the riots that SKS has taken. Given his instincts politically, it must have been tempting, but he's kept his nose clean. He must be getting good advice from somewhere.
I too think that Starmer has played a blinder in response to the riots. They're now utterly quashed and the rioters are getting their just deserts in a hardline response. There is as yet no up to date polling to back up whether my view is shared, but I'll back my judgement in the meantime. What polling there was on Starmer's favourability was more general and was also taken at a point when the riots appeared briefly out of control, so it is likely to be positively misleading on the question of how the government handled the riots specifically.
Unsurprisingly the state saw off this challenge to its authority. However hubris has set in. There is one case where a judge has remanded someone for just being present at the scene of some disorder, another where someone got a 2 year sentence for 'gesticulating' at the police. There is various other stuff, like one where a guy in the midlands went on an ill advised monologue about free speech on Twitter, in doing so retweeting another dodgy tweet, and ended up with 38 months in jail, he has 3 kids and grew up in care etc, they are losing their council house.
For the government to maintain the plausibility of the narrative that this is 'the justice system running its course without fear or favour', instances like the above need to be rapidly corrected. At the moment they are being used by Musk etc as evidence in support of their view of the situation. They also risk unnerving their 'left liberal' support base if they carry on with things like the above.
That's genuinely despicable about the Twitter man; I didn't know that. I don't know how anybody with a moral compass could support that.
Is this the man?
'He tweeted on Wednesday: "Mass deportations now, set fire to all the f***ing hotels full of the b******s for all I care... If that makes me racist, so be it". '
If so, Darkage' s description of the case doesn't seem accurate
That is a quote tweet (of a tweet by the councillor's wife), and it was part of a sequence of tweets where he actually tagged the police, because he was trying to prove a political point
In the circs, even quote-tweeting was foolish, but the intent was not to foment trouble, it was to query police tactics
For that he has got more than three years in jail, and he's lost his home
A few weeks cooling down in chokey would have been sufficient. Three years??
There's a picture of the actual tweet in the news story I linked to above, I don't how to do pictures here, so maybe someone can post it so people can judge for themselves.
As for tagging the police the only sign of that I can see is that in the list of hashtags under the tweet it has #f***northamptonshirepolice
If you are right then please provide a source, please don't take this the wrong way, but experience has taught me that you are often full of shit
Likewise, I find you consitently full of shit, rancid with hypocrisy, also myopic, ludicrous, and idiotic, and dumb as a fucking pit-pony AS WELL, but honestly it's nothing personal
Here's the evidence
"TYLER KAY WENT TO PRISON AND LOST HIS HOUSE FOR COPYING A POST ON X
Tyler was sentenced to 38 months in prison for copying a post made on X by Lucy Connolly, the wife of a Conservative councilor.
The post read: “Mass deportation now, set fire to all the f*king hotels full of the ba*ards for all I care…If that makes me a racist, so be it.”
Lucy had been arrested for the post, and Tyler was trying to prove that he wouldn’t be arrested.
He made this clear in a reply to his post, stating: “My point is more, it’s one rule for some and another rule for others.”
Despite his barrister explaining he was immature, had grown up in care, and would lose his council house as a result of a prison sentence, the judge said he “clearly intended to incite serious violence.”
He then sent Tyler, a father of 3, to prison for 3 years and 2 months.
i believe the arrest and conviction was correct. Even copying an incendiary tweet to make a point is extremely foolish during a time of tiots. But 3 years 2 months in jail?
The authoritarian state has gone mad
Given that he was only jailed on Friday how come he has already lost his home?
I mean it's incredibly likely to occur that he will lose his home (mainly because he won't be in it for 18 months and won't be paying the bills) but he hasn't lost it yet.
Edit - I'm also not sure about his “My point is more, it’s one rule for some and another rule for others.”
As the people I expect he is talking about (Farage and co) were a bit cleverer in what they actually wrote..
If it’s a racing certainty I think it’s legitimate to say it as if it has already happened.
On the home loss, there are quire draconian regulations for expulsion from Social Housing in these circs, and I think under far more mild ASB, that can be applied to the family as well as the individual.
But Nawful who that tweet comes from is a mini-me aspiring Elon Musk following type American-based character, with very questionable business practices and a lot of self-puffery.
So take with a mine of salt without a reliable source.
On the Rent Controls debate, let me try and illustrate the loss of flexibility. This is long, but I'm not putting this information in a header.
If rent controls are passed, they will lock in a framework of CPI increases *every* year, because if it is not done it is lost, and flexibility is impossible. They will f*ck it all up, because they always f*ck it all up, through listening to media, politics, Shelter, Generation Rent etc who are just not in touch as they only hear the negative side.
-- snip
(This is aside from the problem that Corporates such as Grainger and Aviva, L&G etc do rentals for professionals in income percentiles ~70-95+%, not the mainstream long-term rental market).
Compare to a rental increase I agreed with a T yesterday, from £700 to £754, or 7.7%. This T has been with me since 2017, and I expect them to stay until about 2035, since there are children under 10. Circumstances:
* I set rentals to align with Housing Benefit on time, and benefit % increase on amount so that it is a clear process, they don't have to send extra paperwork at funny times of the year etc, and increases are fair and justifiable.
* The % increase is set for April by CPI the previous September (was 6.7%). It's been weird for the previous Gov who's approach was "freeze in cash terms & catch-up when it is good for us politically", which is perverse. I can't use that, so do the above. This year T has the General Election 3-year "save our arse" Tory political catch-up, & is up by ~£100.
* This one is above inflation; this evens out.
* This was delayed from April since 1) T has changed jobs and it took time for her to work out where just where her finances would be. 2) Works have been happening - new boiler, plastering, and T asked for a gas-based not electric-based bath mixer shower to reduce bills (3 kids).
* I'm gradually recovering a fall back in rent levels at 1-3% a year over inflation because I gave all Ts a 2 year cash-freeze in Covid to help them, and to give a buffer on energy bills going nuts (even though all my houses are very well insulated / ventilated). Motivation for me is because it's right to do, I look after my Ts, and Ts leaving is the most expensive thing anyway at £2-3k per time.
* Next increase will be April 2025, which I have let this T know is looking like 2-3%.
This type of tenancy and management is not in the universe of possibility for build-to-letters; they have overheads and cost bases that make it impossible
For the Govt to make this impossible would be a shame.
Interesting post. Will you stay in with the proposed law changes from labour.
I have no real life stake in this debate. We have just the one home and would not touch BTL.
This does have the feel of policy made by single issue lobbyists and activist journalists. Someone replied earlier to say if private landlords are forced out then good. I think be careful what you wish for. To echo Bart, we need more homes, increase supply and demand.
I recently inherited a house (not expensive!) and had to consider whether to rent it out. Decided firmly against, and sold up - happily it's now a family home again. Key, but not only, elements were (a) I couldn't face the hassle of doing it well, (b) I'm not enough of a bastard to do it badly. I found posts on PB - especially but not only by @MattW - enormously useful in getting a sense of the pros and cons.
Yep - a single property is always difficult because you cannot lay off risk and overheads across say 4 or 5, and give your trades a regular flow of small jobs that keeps them on board and prioritising you, and if it is one that lands on you it may not be suitable for rent. Some properties endemically give a 6-8% return, others 2-4%.
The one I discuss is a case in point. I bought it for the Ts, who are relations of a former T (mum and dad, and 4 dogs) and asked if they could find one for me. Gave guidance, and 2 years later they found one - low enough priced for a decent return on a reasonable rent with 3 double bedrooms (needed under space required regs for the future for kids of both sexes over 10, plus parents' room).
It's not one I renovated so there has been a constant stream of minor work, but it was under £100k and started with a top line yield of 6.8% which is workable long-term.
Renovation quality was nothing like I do so I have probably put a further 7-8k in over 6-7 years. But OTOH we have a setup where dad does lots of little non-regulated handyman jobs without me needing to intervene, and trust is fine.
At present he has borrowed my cement mixer to do a shed-base for the other daughter, and is talking about this one needing an external socket to power a pump for the paddling pool to avoid an extension leas being used, which I will insist on my electrician doing as it is regulated. Normally I install one of these as basic spec on reno. But a 5-year Electrical Safety Inspection is due, so it will just be an extra hour.
That makes sense. The house in my case was very much not one that seemed an ideal rental - an old and large one with some nice features but at the same time the decor, carpets, kitchen and bathroom were all at the end of their lives, some windows needed attention, you might as well rewire while at it, and the partly flat roof is going to need serious attention in a few years. Plus the cost of repair and redec a large house after a nightmare tenant with XL Bullies trashing the place would be horrendous. Sale seemed a no-brainer even if I wanted to be a LL in which case the money would be used to buy a bog standard 3 bedroom house of modern construction anyway.
Of course I could have tried to get a HMO licence and seen how many students etc I could cram into it ...!
Just got back online after a weekend without internet. Wow. As far as the riots go, it seems to me unquestionable that Sir Keir has played a blinder. The man will reign supreme over the issue of law and order for the foreseeable future. As for the British Right - they (Farage in particular) have got themselves into a right old pickle. Not sure where they go from here.
Except that we've not had any VI polling. But we have seen SKS's personal rating plummeting. So there’s that.
But yeh, apart from actual facts, yep, legendary crisis management.
On a tangential note, it is great to see Charles maturing into his Kingship and failing to take the same overtly political line on the riots that SKS has taken. Given his instincts politically, it must have been tempting, but he's kept his nose clean. He must be getting good advice from somewhere.
I too think that Starmer has played a blinder in response to the riots. They're now utterly quashed and the rioters are getting their just deserts in a hardline response. There is as yet no up to date polling to back up whether my view is shared, but I'll back my judgement in the meantime. What polling there was on Starmer's favourability was more general and was also taken at a point when the riots appeared briefly out of control, so it is likely to be positively misleading on the question of how the government handled the riots specifically.
Unsurprisingly the state saw off this challenge to its authority. However hubris has set in. There is one case where a judge has remanded someone for just being present at the scene of some disorder, another where someone got a 2 year sentence for 'gesticulating' at the police. There is various other stuff, like one where a guy in the midlands went on an ill advised monologue about free speech on Twitter, in doing so retweeting another dodgy tweet, and ended up with 38 months in jail, he has 3 kids and grew up in care etc, they are losing their council house.
For the government to maintain the plausibility of the narrative that this is 'the justice system running its course without fear or favour', instances like the above need to be rapidly corrected. At the moment they are being used by Musk etc as evidence in support of their view of the situation. They also risk unnerving their 'left liberal' support base if they carry on with things like the above.
That's genuinely despicable about the Twitter man; I didn't know that. I don't know how anybody with a moral compass could support that.
Is this the man?
'He tweeted on Wednesday: "Mass deportations now, set fire to all the f***ing hotels full of the b******s for all I care... If that makes me racist, so be it". '
If so, Darkage' s description of the case doesn't seem accurate
That is a quote tweet (of a tweet by the councillor's wife), and it was part of a sequence of tweets where he actually tagged the police, because he was trying to prove a political point
In the circs, even quote-tweeting was foolish, but the intent was not to foment trouble, it was to query police tactics
For that he has got more than three years in jail, and he's lost his home
A few weeks cooling down in chokey would have been sufficient. Three years??
There's a picture of the actual tweet in the news story I linked to above, I don't how to do pictures here, so maybe someone can post it so people can judge for themselves.
As for tagging the police the only sign of that I can see is that in the list of hashtags under the tweet it has #f***northamptonshirepolice
If you are right then please provide a source, please don't take this the wrong way, but experience has taught me that you are often full of shit
Likewise, I find you consitently full of shit, rancid with hypocrisy, also myopic, ludicrous, and idiotic, and dumb as a fucking pit-pony AS WELL, but honestly it's nothing personal
Here's the evidence
"TYLER KAY WENT TO PRISON AND LOST HIS HOUSE FOR COPYING A POST ON X
Tyler was sentenced to 38 months in prison for copying a post made on X by Lucy Connolly, the wife of a Conservative councilor.
The post read: “Mass deportation now, set fire to all the f*king hotels full of the ba*ards for all I care…If that makes me a racist, so be it.”
Lucy had been arrested for the post, and Tyler was trying to prove that he wouldn’t be arrested.
He made this clear in a reply to his post, stating: “My point is more, it’s one rule for some and another rule for others.”
Despite his barrister explaining he was immature, had grown up in care, and would lose his council house as a result of a prison sentence, the judge said he “clearly intended to incite serious violence.”
He then sent Tyler, a father of 3, to prison for 3 years and 2 months.
i believe the arrest and conviction was correct. Even copying an incendiary tweet to make a point is extremely foolish during a time of tiots. But 3 years 2 months in jail?
The authoritarian state has gone mad
Given that he was only jailed on Friday how come he has already lost his home?
I mean it's incredibly likely to occur that he will lose his home (mainly because he won't be in it for 18 months and won't be paying the bills) but he hasn't lost it yet.
Edit - I'm also not sure about his “My point is more, it’s one rule for some and another rule for others.”
As the people I expect he is talking about (Farage and co) were a bit cleverer in what they actually wrote..
I agree on your second point. The whole tweet sequence was idiotic and, in this troubled time, the coppers were right to arrest him, and the court to convict him. But a few weeks in jail is surely sufficient. Not three years two months, which is enough to ruin his life and deprive him of a home. And he has three young kids
It's quite telling to compare and contrast the outrage being expressed on PB at sentences for those conducting, enabling and encouraging violent racist thuggery with the general approval expressed also on PB when non-violent Just Stop Oil members were jailed for significantly longer terms of up to 5 years after they had the temerity to discuss organising a peaceful protest on the M25.
Just got back online after a weekend without internet. Wow. As far as the riots go, it seems to me unquestionable that Sir Keir has played a blinder. The man will reign supreme over the issue of law and order for the foreseeable future. As for the British Right - they (Farage in particular) have got themselves into a right old pickle. Not sure where they go from here.
Except that we've not had any VI polling. But we have seen SKS's personal rating plummeting. So there’s that.
But yeh, apart from actual facts, yep, legendary crisis management.
On a tangential note, it is great to see Charles maturing into his Kingship and failing to take the same overtly political line on the riots that SKS has taken. Given his instincts politically, it must have been tempting, but he's kept his nose clean. He must be getting good advice from somewhere.
I too think that Starmer has played a blinder in response to the riots. They're now utterly quashed and the rioters are getting their just deserts in a hardline response. There is as yet no up to date polling to back up whether my view is shared, but I'll back my judgement in the meantime. What polling there was on Starmer's favourability was more general and was also taken at a point when the riots appeared briefly out of control, so it is likely to be positively misleading on the question of how the government handled the riots specifically.
Unsurprisingly the state saw off this challenge to its authority. However hubris has set in. There is one case where a judge has remanded someone for just being present at the scene of some disorder, another where someone got a 2 year sentence for 'gesticulating' at the police. There is various other stuff, like one where a guy in the midlands went on an ill advised monologue about free speech on Twitter, in doing so retweeting another dodgy tweet, and ended up with 38 months in jail, he has 3 kids and grew up in care etc, they are losing their council house.
For the government to maintain the plausibility of the narrative that this is 'the justice system running its course without fear or favour', instances like the above need to be rapidly corrected. At the moment they are being used by Musk etc as evidence in support of their view of the situation. They also risk unnerving their 'left liberal' support base if they carry on with things like the above.
That's genuinely despicable about the Twitter man; I didn't know that. I don't know how anybody with a moral compass could support that.
Is this the man?
'He tweeted on Wednesday: "Mass deportations now, set fire to all the f***ing hotels full of the b******s for all I care... If that makes me racist, so be it". '
If so, Darkage' s description of the case doesn't seem accurate
That is a quote tweet (of a tweet by the councillor's wife), and it was part of a sequence of tweets where he actually tagged the police, because he was trying to prove a political point
In the circs, even quote-tweeting was foolish, but the intent was not to foment trouble, it was to query police tactics
For that he has got more than three years in jail, and he's lost his home
A few weeks cooling down in chokey would have been sufficient. Three years??
There's a picture of the actual tweet in the news story I linked to above, I don't how to do pictures here, so maybe someone can post it so people can judge for themselves.
As for tagging the police the only sign of that I can see is that in the list of hashtags under the tweet it has #f***northamptonshirepolice
If you are right then please provide a source, please don't take this the wrong way, but experience has taught me that you are often full of shit
Likewise, I find you consitently full of shit, rancid with hypocrisy, also myopic, ludicrous, and idiotic, and dumb as a fucking pit-pony AS WELL, but honestly it's nothing personal
Here's the evidence
"TYLER KAY WENT TO PRISON AND LOST HIS HOUSE FOR COPYING A POST ON X
Tyler was sentenced to 38 months in prison for copying a post made on X by Lucy Connolly, the wife of a Conservative councilor.
The post read: “Mass deportation now, set fire to all the f*king hotels full of the ba*ards for all I care…If that makes me a racist, so be it.”
Lucy had been arrested for the post, and Tyler was trying to prove that he wouldn’t be arrested.
He made this clear in a reply to his post, stating: “My point is more, it’s one rule for some and another rule for others.”
Despite his barrister explaining he was immature, had grown up in care, and would lose his council house as a result of a prison sentence, the judge said he “clearly intended to incite serious violence.”
He then sent Tyler, a father of 3, to prison for 3 years and 2 months.
i believe the arrest and conviction was correct. Even copying an incendiary tweet to make a point is extremely foolish during a time of tiots. But 3 years 2 months in jail?
The authoritarian state has gone mad
Given that he was only jailed on Friday how come he has already lost his home?
I mean it's incredibly likely to occur that he will lose his home (mainly because he won't be in it for 18 months and won't be paying the bills) but he hasn't lost it yet.
Edit - I'm also not sure about his “My point is more, it’s one rule for some and another rule for others.”
As the people I expect he is talking about (Farage and co) were a bit cleverer in what they actually wrote..
If it’s a racing certainty I think it’s legitimate to say it as if it has already happened.
On the home loss, there are quire draconian regulations for expulsion from Social Housing in these circs, and I think under far more mild ASB, that can be applied to the family as well as the individual.
But Nawful who that tweet comes from is a mini-me aspiring Elon Musk following type American-based character, with very questionable business practices and a lot of self-puffery.
So take with a mine of salt without a reliable source.
Granted the father has been kicked out but mum and children still need to be housed somewhere - I just don't see the crime committed being 1 that resulted in the family being kicked out....
Just got back online after a weekend without internet. Wow. As far as the riots go, it seems to me unquestionable that Sir Keir has played a blinder. The man will reign supreme over the issue of law and order for the foreseeable future. As for the British Right - they (Farage in particular) have got themselves into a right old pickle. Not sure where they go from here.
Except that we've not had any VI polling. But we have seen SKS's personal rating plummeting. So there’s that.
But yeh, apart from actual facts, yep, legendary crisis management.
On a tangential note, it is great to see Charles maturing into his Kingship and failing to take the same overtly political line on the riots that SKS has taken. Given his instincts politically, it must have been tempting, but he's kept his nose clean. He must be getting good advice from somewhere.
I too think that Starmer has played a blinder in response to the riots. They're now utterly quashed and the rioters are getting their just deserts in a hardline response. There is as yet no up to date polling to back up whether my view is shared, but I'll back my judgement in the meantime. What polling there was on Starmer's favourability was more general and was also taken at a point when the riots appeared briefly out of control, so it is likely to be positively misleading on the question of how the government handled the riots specifically.
Unsurprisingly the state saw off this challenge to its authority. However hubris has set in. There is one case where a judge has remanded someone for just being present at the scene of some disorder, another where someone got a 2 year sentence for 'gesticulating' at the police. There is various other stuff, like one where a guy in the midlands went on an ill advised monologue about free speech on Twitter, in doing so retweeting another dodgy tweet, and ended up with 38 months in jail, he has 3 kids and grew up in care etc, they are losing their council house.
For the government to maintain the plausibility of the narrative that this is 'the justice system running its course without fear or favour', instances like the above need to be rapidly corrected. At the moment they are being used by Musk etc as evidence in support of their view of the situation. They also risk unnerving their 'left liberal' support base if they carry on with things like the above.
That's genuinely despicable about the Twitter man; I didn't know that. I don't know how anybody with a moral compass could support that.
Is this the man?
'He tweeted on Wednesday: "Mass deportations now, set fire to all the f***ing hotels full of the b******s for all I care... If that makes me racist, so be it". '
If so, Darkage' s description of the case doesn't seem accurate
That is a quote tweet (of a tweet by the councillor's wife), and it was part of a sequence of tweets where he actually tagged the police, because he was trying to prove a political point
In the circs, even quote-tweeting was foolish, but the intent was not to foment trouble, it was to query police tactics
For that he has got more than three years in jail, and he's lost his home
A few weeks cooling down in chokey would have been sufficient. Three years??
There's a picture of the actual tweet in the news story I linked to above, I don't how to do pictures here, so maybe someone can post it so people can judge for themselves.
As for tagging the police the only sign of that I can see is that in the list of hashtags under the tweet it has #f***northamptonshirepolice
If you are right then please provide a source, please don't take this the wrong way, but experience has taught me that you are often full of shit
Likewise, I find you consitently full of shit, rancid with hypocrisy, also myopic, ludicrous, and idiotic, and dumb as a fucking pit-pony AS WELL, but honestly it's nothing personal
Here's the evidence
"TYLER KAY WENT TO PRISON AND LOST HIS HOUSE FOR COPYING A POST ON X
Tyler was sentenced to 38 months in prison for copying a post made on X by Lucy Connolly, the wife of a Conservative councilor.
The post read: “Mass deportation now, set fire to all the f*king hotels full of the ba*ards for all I care…If that makes me a racist, so be it.”
Lucy had been arrested for the post, and Tyler was trying to prove that he wouldn’t be arrested.
He made this clear in a reply to his post, stating: “My point is more, it’s one rule for some and another rule for others.”
Despite his barrister explaining he was immature, had grown up in care, and would lose his council house as a result of a prison sentence, the judge said he “clearly intended to incite serious violence.”
He then sent Tyler, a father of 3, to prison for 3 years and 2 months.
i believe the arrest and conviction was correct. Even copying an incendiary tweet to make a point is extremely foolish during a time of tiots. But 3 years 2 months in jail?
The authoritarian state has gone mad
I wonder why you don't link to the actual article in the Northampton Chronicle so people can judge for themselves:
'He tweeted his support for wife of West Northamptonshire councillor Ray Connolly, Lucy Connolly, who allegedly posted hateful messages earlier this week. This is the subject of an ongoing police investigation. He admitted copying and pasting the message that she had been arrested for and posting it himself on X.
His message said: “Mass deportation now, set fire to all the f****** hotels full of the b****** for all I care… If that makes me racist, so be it.”
The father-of-three used his own name and profile picture, openly talked to people about where he lived and said during an attack he would use ‘gloves, no car either so no number plate to trace, and a change of clothes ready nearby,’ adding that he ‘watched enough CSI programmes’.
He gave other people advice on ‘staying anon’ and said he would ‘categorically not be arrested’ by Northants Police, before actually tagging the force in one of his tweets.
He used the hashtags #standwithlucyconnolly, #farageriots, #riotsuk and #f***northamptonshirepolice
People on his X account even warned him he would be jailed and he said ‘For what? Sharing a screenshot? You’re delusional buddy’.
The 26-year-old also reposted a screenshot of another message inciting action against a named immigration solicitors in Northampton – the site of Wednesday’s planned disorder – with the message ‘Let’s go!!!’ Other posts attributable to him showed a desire to be involved in organised protests in the town.
...
Kay was previously convicted in 2020 after he stole an iphone worth £1,046 from his employer Albion Computers. He was given a community order but failed to comply with it.'
At least you seem to be coming round to slowly admitting that Darkage's description of the case was not accurate, or at least I think you are, so some progress - well done!
I SAID his entire tweet sequence was idiotic, at this time. I SAID he deserved to be arrested, and convicted, and jailed
I also said he does not deserve to have his life ruined and his home taken away, for some damn stupid tweets
I see Margaret Hodge has commented Labour shouldn't be frightened to talk about immigration.
Quite right.
There's a rule (Stodge's Seventh Political Law) which states "If you don't want to talk about a subject, someone else will. If you talk about the subject first, you can frame the conversation, if someone else does, they will."
At the moment, the immigration debate is being framed squarely by those who are "concerned" or "worried" or "anxious". No one is coming about with the positive argument for immigration (there is a strong economic one) or even the "we might not like it but we need it" argument.
There are echoes of the 2016 debate which was quickly controlled by those voices hostile to the EU - as we've often argued, those who wanted to offer a positive message either wouldn't or couldn't using words which worked for the public.
The important aspect of this point is that in 2010, the LibDems - as part of the Coalition Agreement - forbade any discussion of the possibility of an EU referendum.
So Farage did.
The rest, as they say...
Looking at the coalition agreement, I can't see any mention of anyone forbidding discussion of the possibility of an EU referendum. Perhaps you could quote the relevant passage?
Any discussion on a referendum was kicked into the long grass by The Balance of Competences Review, an “audit of what the European Union does and how it affects the United Kingdom”, carried out by the United Kingdom Government during the Cameron–Clegg coalition.
The Review was an audit of what the EU does, and how it affects government and the general public in the UK. This piece of work "will deepen our understanding of EU membership, and help shape the UK’s policies in relation to the EU".
It was launched in 2012 and the set of reports were published in December 2014, but without a single summary final report.
Just got back online after a weekend without internet. Wow. As far as the riots go, it seems to me unquestionable that Sir Keir has played a blinder. The man will reign supreme over the issue of law and order for the foreseeable future. As for the British Right - they (Farage in particular) have got themselves into a right old pickle. Not sure where they go from here.
Except that we've not had any VI polling. But we have seen SKS's personal rating plummeting. So there’s that.
But yeh, apart from actual facts, yep, legendary crisis management.
On a tangential note, it is great to see Charles maturing into his Kingship and failing to take the same overtly political line on the riots that SKS has taken. Given his instincts politically, it must have been tempting, but he's kept his nose clean. He must be getting good advice from somewhere.
I too think that Starmer has played a blinder in response to the riots. They're now utterly quashed and the rioters are getting their just deserts in a hardline response. There is as yet no up to date polling to back up whether my view is shared, but I'll back my judgement in the meantime. What polling there was on Starmer's favourability was more general and was also taken at a point when the riots appeared briefly out of control, so it is likely to be positively misleading on the question of how the government handled the riots specifically.
Unsurprisingly the state saw off this challenge to its authority. However hubris has set in. There is one case where a judge has remanded someone for just being present at the scene of some disorder, another where someone got a 2 year sentence for 'gesticulating' at the police. There is various other stuff, like one where a guy in the midlands went on an ill advised monologue about free speech on Twitter, in doing so retweeting another dodgy tweet, and ended up with 38 months in jail, he has 3 kids and grew up in care etc, they are losing their council house.
For the government to maintain the plausibility of the narrative that this is 'the justice system running its course without fear or favour', instances like the above need to be rapidly corrected. At the moment they are being used by Musk etc as evidence in support of their view of the situation. They also risk unnerving their 'left liberal' support base if they carry on with things like the above.
That's genuinely despicable about the Twitter man; I didn't know that. I don't know how anybody with a moral compass could support that.
Is this the man?
'He tweeted on Wednesday: "Mass deportations now, set fire to all the f***ing hotels full of the b******s for all I care... If that makes me racist, so be it". '
If so, Darkage' s description of the case doesn't seem accurate
That is a quote tweet (of a tweet by the councillor's wife), and it was part of a sequence of tweets where he actually tagged the police, because he was trying to prove a political point
In the circs, even quote-tweeting was foolish, but the intent was not to foment trouble, it was to query police tactics
For that he has got more than three years in jail, and he's lost his home
A few weeks cooling down in chokey would have been sufficient. Three years??
There's a picture of the actual tweet in the news story I linked to above, I don't how to do pictures here, so maybe someone can post it so people can judge for themselves.
As for tagging the police the only sign of that I can see is that in the list of hashtags under the tweet it has #f***northamptonshirepolice
If you are right then please provide a source, please don't take this the wrong way, but experience has taught me that you are often full of shit
Likewise, I find you consitently full of shit, rancid with hypocrisy, also myopic, ludicrous, and idiotic, and dumb as a fucking pit-pony AS WELL, but honestly it's nothing personal
Here's the evidence
"TYLER KAY WENT TO PRISON AND LOST HIS HOUSE FOR COPYING A POST ON X
Tyler was sentenced to 38 months in prison for copying a post made on X by Lucy Connolly, the wife of a Conservative councilor.
The post read: “Mass deportation now, set fire to all the f*king hotels full of the ba*ards for all I care…If that makes me a racist, so be it.”
Lucy had been arrested for the post, and Tyler was trying to prove that he wouldn’t be arrested.
He made this clear in a reply to his post, stating: “My point is more, it’s one rule for some and another rule for others.”
Despite his barrister explaining he was immature, had grown up in care, and would lose his council house as a result of a prison sentence, the judge said he “clearly intended to incite serious violence.”
He then sent Tyler, a father of 3, to prison for 3 years and 2 months.
i believe the arrest and conviction was correct. Even copying an incendiary tweet to make a point is extremely foolish during a time of tiots. But 3 years 2 months in jail?
The authoritarian state has gone mad
Given that he was only jailed on Friday how come he has already lost his home?
I mean it's incredibly likely to occur that he will lose his home (mainly because he won't be in it for 18 months and won't be paying the bills) but he hasn't lost it yet.
Edit - I'm also not sure about his “My point is more, it’s one rule for some and another rule for others.”
As the people I expect he is talking about (Farage and co) were a bit cleverer in what they actually wrote..
I agree on your second point. The whole tweet sequence was idiotic and, in this troubled time, the coppers were right to arrest him, and the court to convict him. But a few weeks in jail is surely sufficient. Not three years two months, which is enough to ruin his life and deprive him of a home. And he has three young kids
It's quite telling to compare and contrast the outrage being expressed on PB at sentences for those conducting, enabling and encouraging violent racist thuggery with the general approval expressed also on PB when non-violent Just Stop Oil members were jailed for significantly longer terms of up to 5 years after they had the temerity to discuss organising a peaceful protest on the M25.
What outrage - the sentences are large (hardly surprising given the circumstances) but reduced by 1/3 (or 20% in the case of Tyler) due to an early guilty plea...
Just got back online after a weekend without internet. Wow. As far as the riots go, it seems to me unquestionable that Sir Keir has played a blinder. The man will reign supreme over the issue of law and order for the foreseeable future. As for the British Right - they (Farage in particular) have got themselves into a right old pickle. Not sure where they go from here.
Except that we've not had any VI polling. But we have seen SKS's personal rating plummeting. So there’s that.
But yeh, apart from actual facts, yep, legendary crisis management.
On a tangential note, it is great to see Charles maturing into his Kingship and failing to take the same overtly political line on the riots that SKS has taken. Given his instincts politically, it must have been tempting, but he's kept his nose clean. He must be getting good advice from somewhere.
I too think that Starmer has played a blinder in response to the riots. They're now utterly quashed and the rioters are getting their just deserts in a hardline response. There is as yet no up to date polling to back up whether my view is shared, but I'll back my judgement in the meantime. What polling there was on Starmer's favourability was more general and was also taken at a point when the riots appeared briefly out of control, so it is likely to be positively misleading on the question of how the government handled the riots specifically.
Unsurprisingly the state saw off this challenge to its authority. However hubris has set in. There is one case where a judge has remanded someone for just being present at the scene of some disorder, another where someone got a 2 year sentence for 'gesticulating' at the police. There is various other stuff, like one where a guy in the midlands went on an ill advised monologue about free speech on Twitter, in doing so retweeting another dodgy tweet, and ended up with 38 months in jail, he has 3 kids and grew up in care etc, they are losing their council house.
For the government to maintain the plausibility of the narrative that this is 'the justice system running its course without fear or favour', instances like the above need to be rapidly corrected. At the moment they are being used by Musk etc as evidence in support of their view of the situation. They also risk unnerving their 'left liberal' support base if they carry on with things like the above.
That's genuinely despicable about the Twitter man; I didn't know that. I don't know how anybody with a moral compass could support that.
Is this the man?
'He tweeted on Wednesday: "Mass deportations now, set fire to all the f***ing hotels full of the b******s for all I care... If that makes me racist, so be it". '
If so, Darkage' s description of the case doesn't seem accurate
That is a quote tweet (of a tweet by the councillor's wife), and it was part of a sequence of tweets where he actually tagged the police, because he was trying to prove a political point
In the circs, even quote-tweeting was foolish, but the intent was not to foment trouble, it was to query police tactics
For that he has got more than three years in jail, and he's lost his home
A few weeks cooling down in chokey would have been sufficient. Three years??
There's a picture of the actual tweet in the news story I linked to above, I don't how to do pictures here, so maybe someone can post it so people can judge for themselves.
As for tagging the police the only sign of that I can see is that in the list of hashtags under the tweet it has #f***northamptonshirepolice
If you are right then please provide a source, please don't take this the wrong way, but experience has taught me that you are often full of shit
Likewise, I find you consitently full of shit, rancid with hypocrisy, also myopic, ludicrous, and idiotic, and dumb as a fucking pit-pony AS WELL, but honestly it's nothing personal
Here's the evidence
"TYLER KAY WENT TO PRISON AND LOST HIS HOUSE FOR COPYING A POST ON X
Tyler was sentenced to 38 months in prison for copying a post made on X by Lucy Connolly, the wife of a Conservative councilor.
The post read: “Mass deportation now, set fire to all the f*king hotels full of the ba*ards for all I care…If that makes me a racist, so be it.”
Lucy had been arrested for the post, and Tyler was trying to prove that he wouldn’t be arrested.
He made this clear in a reply to his post, stating: “My point is more, it’s one rule for some and another rule for others.”
Despite his barrister explaining he was immature, had grown up in care, and would lose his council house as a result of a prison sentence, the judge said he “clearly intended to incite serious violence.”
He then sent Tyler, a father of 3, to prison for 3 years and 2 months.
i believe the arrest and conviction was correct. Even copying an incendiary tweet to make a point is extremely foolish during a time of tiots. But 3 years 2 months in jail?
The authoritarian state has gone mad
So long as he remains a good boy in prison he will be out on tag in nine and a half months time.
Are you sure? - release point is currently 40% rather than 50% of sentence which I make to be 15 months or so..
I can find no evidence of release at 25% of prison sentence so can I have a citation/link..
Ah they've tweaked it.
So it is closer to 12 months prison time.
So it will be 180 days/6months before the half way point.
Offenders serving determinate sentences of 12 weeks or more, with certain exceptions for violent and sexual offenders, may also be eligible for release on a home detention curfew (HDC). This allows an offender to be released up to 180 days before their automatic release date. The offender will be electronically tagged and a curfew imposed. If the offender breaches the curfew they can be recalled to prison.
More Americans trust Kamala Harris to handle the US economy than Donald Trump, according to a new poll that marks a sharp change in voter sentiment following President Joe Biden’s withdrawal from the White House race.
The survey, conducted for the Financial Times and the University of Michigan Ross School of Business, is the first monthly poll to show the Democratic presidential candidate leading Trump on the economy since it began tracking voter sentiment on the issue nearly a year ago.
Although 41 per cent of Americans still trust the former president more on economic issues — unchanged from the two previous monthly polls — the survey found 42 per cent of voters believe Harris would be better at handling the economy. That is a 7 percentage point increase compared to Biden’s numbers last month.
“The fact that voters were more positive on Harris than on Biden . . . says as much about how badly Biden was doing as it does about how well Harris is doing,” said Erik Gordon, a professor at the university.
Proposition. Trump was never a good candidate for 2024.
A combination of the January 7 riot and RoevWadeRIP shot him in the knees. It was only Biden's senility and the not-gone-away inflation pulse that kept him afloat. Now than JBxPOTUS Kamala can pretend to be a clean-sheet, leaving Trump as sin-eater for the past four years, and his poll numbers are hysteresising (I made a word!) back to his base state
That Trump was not a good candidate for 2024 should have been apparent to everyone by the dismal failure of Trump's picked candidates in 2022.
The interesting question is why the GOP primary voters were so intent on Trump being their candidate.
My theory is that having bought into the 'stolen election' meme they felt obligated to support Trump again.
Just got back online after a weekend without internet. Wow. As far as the riots go, it seems to me unquestionable that Sir Keir has played a blinder. The man will reign supreme over the issue of law and order for the foreseeable future. As for the British Right - they (Farage in particular) have got themselves into a right old pickle. Not sure where they go from here.
Except that we've not had any VI polling. But we have seen SKS's personal rating plummeting. So there’s that.
But yeh, apart from actual facts, yep, legendary crisis management.
On a tangential note, it is great to see Charles maturing into his Kingship and failing to take the same overtly political line on the riots that SKS has taken. Given his instincts politically, it must have been tempting, but he's kept his nose clean. He must be getting good advice from somewhere.
I too think that Starmer has played a blinder in response to the riots. They're now utterly quashed and the rioters are getting their just deserts in a hardline response. There is as yet no up to date polling to back up whether my view is shared, but I'll back my judgement in the meantime. What polling there was on Starmer's favourability was more general and was also taken at a point when the riots appeared briefly out of control, so it is likely to be positively misleading on the question of how the government handled the riots specifically.
Unsurprisingly the state saw off this challenge to its authority. However hubris has set in. There is one case where a judge has remanded someone for just being present at the scene of some disorder, another where someone got a 2 year sentence for 'gesticulating' at the police. There is various other stuff, like one where a guy in the midlands went on an ill advised monologue about free speech on Twitter, in doing so retweeting another dodgy tweet, and ended up with 38 months in jail, he has 3 kids and grew up in care etc, they are losing their council house.
For the government to maintain the plausibility of the narrative that this is 'the justice system running its course without fear or favour', instances like the above need to be rapidly corrected. At the moment they are being used by Musk etc as evidence in support of their view of the situation. They also risk unnerving their 'left liberal' support base if they carry on with things like the above.
That's genuinely despicable about the Twitter man; I didn't know that. I don't know how anybody with a moral compass could support that.
Is this the man?
'He tweeted on Wednesday: "Mass deportations now, set fire to all the f***ing hotels full of the b******s for all I care... If that makes me racist, so be it". '
If so, Darkage' s description of the case doesn't seem accurate
That is a quote tweet (of a tweet by the councillor's wife), and it was part of a sequence of tweets where he actually tagged the police, because he was trying to prove a political point
In the circs, even quote-tweeting was foolish, but the intent was not to foment trouble, it was to query police tactics
For that he has got more than three years in jail, and he's lost his home
A few weeks cooling down in chokey would have been sufficient. Three years??
There's a picture of the actual tweet in the news story I linked to above, I don't how to do pictures here, so maybe someone can post it so people can judge for themselves.
As for tagging the police the only sign of that I can see is that in the list of hashtags under the tweet it has #f***northamptonshirepolice
If you are right then please provide a source, please don't take this the wrong way, but experience has taught me that you are often full of shit
Likewise, I find you consitently full of shit, rancid with hypocrisy, also myopic, ludicrous, and idiotic, and dumb as a fucking pit-pony AS WELL, but honestly it's nothing personal
Here's the evidence
"TYLER KAY WENT TO PRISON AND LOST HIS HOUSE FOR COPYING A POST ON X
Tyler was sentenced to 38 months in prison for copying a post made on X by Lucy Connolly, the wife of a Conservative councilor.
The post read: “Mass deportation now, set fire to all the f*king hotels full of the ba*ards for all I care…If that makes me a racist, so be it.”
Lucy had been arrested for the post, and Tyler was trying to prove that he wouldn’t be arrested.
He made this clear in a reply to his post, stating: “My point is more, it’s one rule for some and another rule for others.”
Despite his barrister explaining he was immature, had grown up in care, and would lose his council house as a result of a prison sentence, the judge said he “clearly intended to incite serious violence.”
He then sent Tyler, a father of 3, to prison for 3 years and 2 months.
i believe the arrest and conviction was correct. Even copying an incendiary tweet to make a point is extremely foolish during a time of tiots. But 3 years 2 months in jail?
The authoritarian state has gone mad
So long as he remains a good boy in prison he will be out on tag in nine and a half months time.
Are you sure? - release point is currently 40% rather than 50% of sentence which I make to be 15 months or so..
I can find no evidence of release at 25% of prison sentence so can I have a citation/link..
Ah they've tweaked it.
So it is closer to 12 months prison time.
So it will be 180 days/6months before the half way point.
Offenders serving determinate sentences of 12 weeks or more, with certain exceptions for violent and sexual offenders, may also be eligible for release on a home detention curfew (HDC). This allows an offender to be released up to 180 days before their automatic release date. The offender will be electronically tagged and a curfew imposed. If the offender breaches the curfew they can be recalled to prison.
I'm getting concerned with your maths.
The sentence is 38 months, halfway is 19 months - 180 days = 13 months+ a tiny bit.
Just got back online after a weekend without internet. Wow. As far as the riots go, it seems to me unquestionable that Sir Keir has played a blinder. The man will reign supreme over the issue of law and order for the foreseeable future. As for the British Right - they (Farage in particular) have got themselves into a right old pickle. Not sure where they go from here.
Except that we've not had any VI polling. But we have seen SKS's personal rating plummeting. So there’s that.
But yeh, apart from actual facts, yep, legendary crisis management.
On a tangential note, it is great to see Charles maturing into his Kingship and failing to take the same overtly political line on the riots that SKS has taken. Given his instincts politically, it must have been tempting, but he's kept his nose clean. He must be getting good advice from somewhere.
I too think that Starmer has played a blinder in response to the riots. They're now utterly quashed and the rioters are getting their just deserts in a hardline response. There is as yet no up to date polling to back up whether my view is shared, but I'll back my judgement in the meantime. What polling there was on Starmer's favourability was more general and was also taken at a point when the riots appeared briefly out of control, so it is likely to be positively misleading on the question of how the government handled the riots specifically.
Unsurprisingly the state saw off this challenge to its authority. However hubris has set in. There is one case where a judge has remanded someone for just being present at the scene of some disorder, another where someone got a 2 year sentence for 'gesticulating' at the police. There is various other stuff, like one where a guy in the midlands went on an ill advised monologue about free speech on Twitter, in doing so retweeting another dodgy tweet, and ended up with 38 months in jail, he has 3 kids and grew up in care etc, they are losing their council house.
For the government to maintain the plausibility of the narrative that this is 'the justice system running its course without fear or favour', instances like the above need to be rapidly corrected. At the moment they are being used by Musk etc as evidence in support of their view of the situation. They also risk unnerving their 'left liberal' support base if they carry on with things like the above.
That's genuinely despicable about the Twitter man; I didn't know that. I don't know how anybody with a moral compass could support that.
Is this the man?
'He tweeted on Wednesday: "Mass deportations now, set fire to all the f***ing hotels full of the b******s for all I care... If that makes me racist, so be it". '
If so, Darkage' s description of the case doesn't seem accurate
That is a quote tweet (of a tweet by the councillor's wife), and it was part of a sequence of tweets where he actually tagged the police, because he was trying to prove a political point
In the circs, even quote-tweeting was foolish, but the intent was not to foment trouble, it was to query police tactics
For that he has got more than three years in jail, and he's lost his home
A few weeks cooling down in chokey would have been sufficient. Three years??
There's a picture of the actual tweet in the news story I linked to above, I don't how to do pictures here, so maybe someone can post it so people can judge for themselves.
As for tagging the police the only sign of that I can see is that in the list of hashtags under the tweet it has #f***northamptonshirepolice
If you are right then please provide a source, please don't take this the wrong way, but experience has taught me that you are often full of shit
Likewise, I find you consitently full of shit, rancid with hypocrisy, also myopic, ludicrous, and idiotic, and dumb as a fucking pit-pony AS WELL, but honestly it's nothing personal
Here's the evidence
"TYLER KAY WENT TO PRISON AND LOST HIS HOUSE FOR COPYING A POST ON X
Tyler was sentenced to 38 months in prison for copying a post made on X by Lucy Connolly, the wife of a Conservative councilor.
The post read: “Mass deportation now, set fire to all the f*king hotels full of the ba*ards for all I care…If that makes me a racist, so be it.”
Lucy had been arrested for the post, and Tyler was trying to prove that he wouldn’t be arrested.
He made this clear in a reply to his post, stating: “My point is more, it’s one rule for some and another rule for others.”
Despite his barrister explaining he was immature, had grown up in care, and would lose his council house as a result of a prison sentence, the judge said he “clearly intended to incite serious violence.”
He then sent Tyler, a father of 3, to prison for 3 years and 2 months.
i believe the arrest and conviction was correct. Even copying an incendiary tweet to make a point is extremely foolish during a time of tiots. But 3 years 2 months in jail?
The authoritarian state has gone mad
So long as he remains a good boy in prison he will be out on tag in nine and a half months time.
Are you sure? - release point is currently 40% rather than 50% of sentence which I make to be 15 months or so..
I can find no evidence of release at 25% of prison sentence so can I have a citation/link..
Two different things I think.
Early Release afaics is the programme to let people out of prison at 40% to reduce the prison population.
The 50% is I think how long judges have been telling rioters etc they will be inside before being released on licence. I think that is normal practice.
Just got back online after a weekend without internet. Wow. As far as the riots go, it seems to me unquestionable that Sir Keir has played a blinder. The man will reign supreme over the issue of law and order for the foreseeable future. As for the British Right - they (Farage in particular) have got themselves into a right old pickle. Not sure where they go from here.
Except that we've not had any VI polling. But we have seen SKS's personal rating plummeting. So there’s that.
But yeh, apart from actual facts, yep, legendary crisis management.
On a tangential note, it is great to see Charles maturing into his Kingship and failing to take the same overtly political line on the riots that SKS has taken. Given his instincts politically, it must have been tempting, but he's kept his nose clean. He must be getting good advice from somewhere.
I too think that Starmer has played a blinder in response to the riots. They're now utterly quashed and the rioters are getting their just deserts in a hardline response. There is as yet no up to date polling to back up whether my view is shared, but I'll back my judgement in the meantime. What polling there was on Starmer's favourability was more general and was also taken at a point when the riots appeared briefly out of control, so it is likely to be positively misleading on the question of how the government handled the riots specifically.
Unsurprisingly the state saw off this challenge to its authority. However hubris has set in. There is one case where a judge has remanded someone for just being present at the scene of some disorder, another where someone got a 2 year sentence for 'gesticulating' at the police. There is various other stuff, like one where a guy in the midlands went on an ill advised monologue about free speech on Twitter, in doing so retweeting another dodgy tweet, and ended up with 38 months in jail, he has 3 kids and grew up in care etc, they are losing their council house.
For the government to maintain the plausibility of the narrative that this is 'the justice system running its course without fear or favour', instances like the above need to be rapidly corrected. At the moment they are being used by Musk etc as evidence in support of their view of the situation. They also risk unnerving their 'left liberal' support base if they carry on with things like the above.
That's genuinely despicable about the Twitter man; I didn't know that. I don't know how anybody with a moral compass could support that.
Is this the man?
'He tweeted on Wednesday: "Mass deportations now, set fire to all the f***ing hotels full of the b******s for all I care... If that makes me racist, so be it". '
If so, Darkage' s description of the case doesn't seem accurate
That is a quote tweet (of a tweet by the councillor's wife), and it was part of a sequence of tweets where he actually tagged the police, because he was trying to prove a political point
In the circs, even quote-tweeting was foolish, but the intent was not to foment trouble, it was to query police tactics
For that he has got more than three years in jail, and he's lost his home
A few weeks cooling down in chokey would have been sufficient. Three years??
There's a picture of the actual tweet in the news story I linked to above, I don't how to do pictures here, so maybe someone can post it so people can judge for themselves.
As for tagging the police the only sign of that I can see is that in the list of hashtags under the tweet it has #f***northamptonshirepolice
If you are right then please provide a source, please don't take this the wrong way, but experience has taught me that you are often full of shit
Likewise, I find you consitently full of shit, rancid with hypocrisy, also myopic, ludicrous, and idiotic, and dumb as a fucking pit-pony AS WELL, but honestly it's nothing personal
Here's the evidence
"TYLER KAY WENT TO PRISON AND LOST HIS HOUSE FOR COPYING A POST ON X
Tyler was sentenced to 38 months in prison for copying a post made on X by Lucy Connolly, the wife of a Conservative councilor.
The post read: “Mass deportation now, set fire to all the f*king hotels full of the ba*ards for all I care…If that makes me a racist, so be it.”
Lucy had been arrested for the post, and Tyler was trying to prove that he wouldn’t be arrested.
He made this clear in a reply to his post, stating: “My point is more, it’s one rule for some and another rule for others.”
Despite his barrister explaining he was immature, had grown up in care, and would lose his council house as a result of a prison sentence, the judge said he “clearly intended to incite serious violence.”
He then sent Tyler, a father of 3, to prison for 3 years and 2 months.
i believe the arrest and conviction was correct. Even copying an incendiary tweet to make a point is extremely foolish during a time of tiots. But 3 years 2 months in jail?
The authoritarian state has gone mad
I wonder why you don't link to the actual article in the Northampton Chronicle so people can judge for themselves:
'He tweeted his support for wife of West Northamptonshire councillor Ray Connolly, Lucy Connolly, who allegedly posted hateful messages earlier this week. This is the subject of an ongoing police investigation. He admitted copying and pasting the message that she had been arrested for and posting it himself on X.
His message said: “Mass deportation now, set fire to all the f****** hotels full of the b****** for all I care… If that makes me racist, so be it.”
The father-of-three used his own name and profile picture, openly talked to people about where he lived and said during an attack he would use ‘gloves, no car either so no number plate to trace, and a change of clothes ready nearby,’ adding that he ‘watched enough CSI programmes’.
He gave other people advice on ‘staying anon’ and said he would ‘categorically not be arrested’ by Northants Police, before actually tagging the force in one of his tweets.
He used the hashtags #standwithlucyconnolly, #farageriots, #riotsuk and #f***northamptonshirepolice
People on his X account even warned him he would be jailed and he said ‘For what? Sharing a screenshot? You’re delusional buddy’.
The 26-year-old also reposted a screenshot of another message inciting action against a named immigration solicitors in Northampton – the site of Wednesday’s planned disorder – with the message ‘Let’s go!!!’ Other posts attributable to him showed a desire to be involved in organised protests in the town.
...
Kay was previously convicted in 2020 after he stole an iphone worth £1,046 from his employer Albion Computers. He was given a community order but failed to comply with it.'
At least you seem to be coming round to slowly admitting that Darkage's description of the case was not accurate, or at least I think you are, so some progress - well done!
I SAID his entire tweet sequence was idiotic, at this time. I SAID he deserved to be arrested, and convicted, and jailed
I also said he does not deserve to have his life ruined and his home taken away, for some damn stupid tweets
OK but my question was why, when asked for a source, you use as a source a dodgy twitter account rather than the original newspaper article that the dodgy twitter account is clearly misrepresenting? It's a pattern with you.
The Dutch are going to beat GB in the medal table, just saying.
GB are going to get 65 medals but only 14 gold.
That will be the worst ratio since 1996.
Interestingly the target was 50 to 70 medals but it seems without a target for golds.
And now we understand why.
If there were a special prize for stacking up bronze medals, the British team would be away and clear in second place, behind only the Americans.
The rowers and the horsey people will be pretty pleased and athletics wasn't too far off, but beyond that rather a lot has gone wrong. There will be nervous sweating over lottery money in many governing bodies.
Hmmm…
I’m not sure I share the assessment that “a lot has gone wrong.” In many disciplines, at that level, the margins between third and first are pretty small. There have been a good few near-misses across a number of sports these games, which would have inflated our gold medal count quite significantly if they’d gone the other way. Sometimes it comes down to very marginal factors on the day. This is why I suspect the number of medals is considered more than the colour - if you’re getting people onto the podiums chances are you’re going to get some first place finishes in a decent number of those.
We have won more medals overall than Tokyo. I don’t think there’s anything wrong fundamentally with the system. So I’m afraid I cannot share any sentiment that this has been a failure. Essentially it boils down to - we have done really well as a national team but we’ve come away with a few less golds than we’d have liked.
There are however as with any Olympics some particular disciplines that need to review things. We should be doing much better in sailing, for instance.
I think that's a fair assessment, except that you are a bit harsh on the sailors. The regatta was ruined by untypical weather and many events became a lottery.
The BOC will be pleased. They set a target of 50-70 medals, so we were at the upper end of expectations. Betfair put the over/under line for golds at 16, so we were just a couple short. Sporting set the medal spread at 64.5/66.5 so that was bang on, and of course the spread tends to protect the high side so a final tally of 65 can be taken as a bit over par.
I can remember many events where we narrowly won or lost medals, but only one where we had the clear favorite but came up with zilch (womens pole vault). Considering the number of events and athletes involved, that's not bad at all.
Most pleasing is the number of sports in which we are competitive. Few other countries can match us in that respect. It speaks well of the state of sport in the country as a whole.
Just got back online after a weekend without internet. Wow. As far as the riots go, it seems to me unquestionable that Sir Keir has played a blinder. The man will reign supreme over the issue of law and order for the foreseeable future. As for the British Right - they (Farage in particular) have got themselves into a right old pickle. Not sure where they go from here.
Except that we've not had any VI polling. But we have seen SKS's personal rating plummeting. So there’s that.
But yeh, apart from actual facts, yep, legendary crisis management.
On a tangential note, it is great to see Charles maturing into his Kingship and failing to take the same overtly political line on the riots that SKS has taken. Given his instincts politically, it must have been tempting, but he's kept his nose clean. He must be getting good advice from somewhere.
I too think that Starmer has played a blinder in response to the riots. They're now utterly quashed and the rioters are getting their just deserts in a hardline response. There is as yet no up to date polling to back up whether my view is shared, but I'll back my judgement in the meantime. What polling there was on Starmer's favourability was more general and was also taken at a point when the riots appeared briefly out of control, so it is likely to be positively misleading on the question of how the government handled the riots specifically.
Unsurprisingly the state saw off this challenge to its authority. However hubris has set in. There is one case where a judge has remanded someone for just being present at the scene of some disorder, another where someone got a 2 year sentence for 'gesticulating' at the police. There is various other stuff, like one where a guy in the midlands went on an ill advised monologue about free speech on Twitter, in doing so retweeting another dodgy tweet, and ended up with 38 months in jail, he has 3 kids and grew up in care etc, they are losing their council house.
For the government to maintain the plausibility of the narrative that this is 'the justice system running its course without fear or favour', instances like the above need to be rapidly corrected. At the moment they are being used by Musk etc as evidence in support of their view of the situation. They also risk unnerving their 'left liberal' support base if they carry on with things like the above.
That's genuinely despicable about the Twitter man; I didn't know that. I don't know how anybody with a moral compass could support that.
Is this the man?
'He tweeted on Wednesday: "Mass deportations now, set fire to all the f***ing hotels full of the b******s for all I care... If that makes me racist, so be it". '
If so, Darkage' s description of the case doesn't seem accurate
That is a quote tweet (of a tweet by the councillor's wife), and it was part of a sequence of tweets where he actually tagged the police, because he was trying to prove a political point
In the circs, even quote-tweeting was foolish, but the intent was not to foment trouble, it was to query police tactics
For that he has got more than three years in jail, and he's lost his home
A few weeks cooling down in chokey would have been sufficient. Three years??
There's a picture of the actual tweet in the news story I linked to above, I don't how to do pictures here, so maybe someone can post it so people can judge for themselves.
As for tagging the police the only sign of that I can see is that in the list of hashtags under the tweet it has #f***northamptonshirepolice
If you are right then please provide a source, please don't take this the wrong way, but experience has taught me that you are often full of shit
Likewise, I find you consitently full of shit, rancid with hypocrisy, also myopic, ludicrous, and idiotic, and dumb as a fucking pit-pony AS WELL, but honestly it's nothing personal
Here's the evidence
"TYLER KAY WENT TO PRISON AND LOST HIS HOUSE FOR COPYING A POST ON X
Tyler was sentenced to 38 months in prison for copying a post made on X by Lucy Connolly, the wife of a Conservative councilor.
The post read: “Mass deportation now, set fire to all the f*king hotels full of the ba*ards for all I care…If that makes me a racist, so be it.”
Lucy had been arrested for the post, and Tyler was trying to prove that he wouldn’t be arrested.
He made this clear in a reply to his post, stating: “My point is more, it’s one rule for some and another rule for others.”
Despite his barrister explaining he was immature, had grown up in care, and would lose his council house as a result of a prison sentence, the judge said he “clearly intended to incite serious violence.”
He then sent Tyler, a father of 3, to prison for 3 years and 2 months.
i believe the arrest and conviction was correct. Even copying an incendiary tweet to make a point is extremely foolish during a time of tiots. But 3 years 2 months in jail?
The authoritarian state has gone mad
I wonder why you don't link to the actual article in the Northampton Chronicle so people can judge for themselves:
'He tweeted his support for wife of West Northamptonshire councillor Ray Connolly, Lucy Connolly, who allegedly posted hateful messages earlier this week. This is the subject of an ongoing police investigation. He admitted copying and pasting the message that she had been arrested for and posting it himself on X.
His message said: “Mass deportation now, set fire to all the f****** hotels full of the b****** for all I care… If that makes me racist, so be it.”
The father-of-three used his own name and profile picture, openly talked to people about where he lived and said during an attack he would use ‘gloves, no car either so no number plate to trace, and a change of clothes ready nearby,’ adding that he ‘watched enough CSI programmes’.
He gave other people advice on ‘staying anon’ and said he would ‘categorically not be arrested’ by Northants Police, before actually tagging the force in one of his tweets.
He used the hashtags #standwithlucyconnolly, #farageriots, #riotsuk and #f***northamptonshirepolice
People on his X account even warned him he would be jailed and he said ‘For what? Sharing a screenshot? You’re delusional buddy’.
The 26-year-old also reposted a screenshot of another message inciting action against a named immigration solicitors in Northampton – the site of Wednesday’s planned disorder – with the message ‘Let’s go!!!’ Other posts attributable to him showed a desire to be involved in organised protests in the town.
...
Kay was previously convicted in 2020 after he stole an iphone worth £1,046 from his employer Albion Computers. He was given a community order but failed to comply with it.'
At least you seem to be coming round to slowly admitting that Darkage's description of the case was not accurate, or at least I think you are, so some progress - well done!
I SAID his entire tweet sequence was idiotic, at this time. I SAID he deserved to be arrested, and convicted, and jailed
I also said he does not deserve to have his life ruined and his home taken away, for some damn stupid tweets
They weren't stupid, they were criminal.
He was directing people to a location where disorder was due and he was telling people how to evade detection/capture.
Let's be honest, you're just worried your drunken late night racist rantings are going to see you back in prison.
Remember that weird, and probably shite-stirring, piece in the DT the other day about Home Counties people supposedly having to pay more for Scottish electricity? With a pretty map of weird zones like some new Heptarchy? The timing might be to do with this ...
More Americans trust Kamala Harris to handle the US economy than Donald Trump, according to a new poll that marks a sharp change in voter sentiment following President Joe Biden’s withdrawal from the White House race.
The survey, conducted for the Financial Times and the University of Michigan Ross School of Business, is the first monthly poll to show the Democratic presidential candidate leading Trump on the economy since it began tracking voter sentiment on the issue nearly a year ago.
Although 41 per cent of Americans still trust the former president more on economic issues — unchanged from the two previous monthly polls — the survey found 42 per cent of voters believe Harris would be better at handling the economy. That is a 7 percentage point increase compared to Biden’s numbers last month.
“The fact that voters were more positive on Harris than on Biden . . . says as much about how badly Biden was doing as it does about how well Harris is doing,” said Erik Gordon, a professor at the university.
Proposition. Trump was never a good candidate for 2024.
A combination of the January 7 riot and RoevWadeRIP shot him in the knees. It was only Biden's senility and the not-gone-away inflation pulse that kept him afloat. Now than JBxPOTUS Kamala can pretend to be a clean-sheet, leaving Trump as sin-eater for the past four years, and his poll numbers are hysteresising (I made a word!) back to his base state
That Trump was not a good candidate for 2024 should have been apparent to everyone by the dismal failure of Trump's picked candidates in 2022.
The interesting question is why the GOP primary voters were so intent on Trump being their candidate.
My theory is that having bought into the 'stolen election' meme they felt obligated to support Trump again.
That Trump is not good, full stop, should be self evident.
It is clear, however that he has a cult like following among a large number of Americans.
These people have completely taken over the GOP and utterly dominate the primary process. Therefore there was little to stop them elevating their cult leader.
Just got back online after a weekend without internet. Wow. As far as the riots go, it seems to me unquestionable that Sir Keir has played a blinder. The man will reign supreme over the issue of law and order for the foreseeable future. As for the British Right - they (Farage in particular) have got themselves into a right old pickle. Not sure where they go from here.
Except that we've not had any VI polling. But we have seen SKS's personal rating plummeting. So there’s that.
But yeh, apart from actual facts, yep, legendary crisis management.
On a tangential note, it is great to see Charles maturing into his Kingship and failing to take the same overtly political line on the riots that SKS has taken. Given his instincts politically, it must have been tempting, but he's kept his nose clean. He must be getting good advice from somewhere.
I too think that Starmer has played a blinder in response to the riots. They're now utterly quashed and the rioters are getting their just deserts in a hardline response. There is as yet no up to date polling to back up whether my view is shared, but I'll back my judgement in the meantime. What polling there was on Starmer's favourability was more general and was also taken at a point when the riots appeared briefly out of control, so it is likely to be positively misleading on the question of how the government handled the riots specifically.
Unsurprisingly the state saw off this challenge to its authority. However hubris has set in. There is one case where a judge has remanded someone for just being present at the scene of some disorder, another where someone got a 2 year sentence for 'gesticulating' at the police. There is various other stuff, like one where a guy in the midlands went on an ill advised monologue about free speech on Twitter, in doing so retweeting another dodgy tweet, and ended up with 38 months in jail, he has 3 kids and grew up in care etc, they are losing their council house.
For the government to maintain the plausibility of the narrative that this is 'the justice system running its course without fear or favour', instances like the above need to be rapidly corrected. At the moment they are being used by Musk etc as evidence in support of their view of the situation. They also risk unnerving their 'left liberal' support base if they carry on with things like the above.
That's genuinely despicable about the Twitter man; I didn't know that. I don't know how anybody with a moral compass could support that.
Is this the man?
'He tweeted on Wednesday: "Mass deportations now, set fire to all the f***ing hotels full of the b******s for all I care... If that makes me racist, so be it". '
If so, Darkage' s description of the case doesn't seem accurate
That is a quote tweet (of a tweet by the councillor's wife), and it was part of a sequence of tweets where he actually tagged the police, because he was trying to prove a political point
In the circs, even quote-tweeting was foolish, but the intent was not to foment trouble, it was to query police tactics
For that he has got more than three years in jail, and he's lost his home
A few weeks cooling down in chokey would have been sufficient. Three years??
There's a picture of the actual tweet in the news story I linked to above, I don't how to do pictures here, so maybe someone can post it so people can judge for themselves.
As for tagging the police the only sign of that I can see is that in the list of hashtags under the tweet it has #f***northamptonshirepolice
If you are right then please provide a source, please don't take this the wrong way, but experience has taught me that you are often full of shit
Likewise, I find you consitently full of shit, rancid with hypocrisy, also myopic, ludicrous, and idiotic, and dumb as a fucking pit-pony AS WELL, but honestly it's nothing personal
Here's the evidence
"TYLER KAY WENT TO PRISON AND LOST HIS HOUSE FOR COPYING A POST ON X
Tyler was sentenced to 38 months in prison for copying a post made on X by Lucy Connolly, the wife of a Conservative councilor.
The post read: “Mass deportation now, set fire to all the f*king hotels full of the ba*ards for all I care…If that makes me a racist, so be it.”
Lucy had been arrested for the post, and Tyler was trying to prove that he wouldn’t be arrested.
He made this clear in a reply to his post, stating: “My point is more, it’s one rule for some and another rule for others.”
Despite his barrister explaining he was immature, had grown up in care, and would lose his council house as a result of a prison sentence, the judge said he “clearly intended to incite serious violence.”
He then sent Tyler, a father of 3, to prison for 3 years and 2 months.
i believe the arrest and conviction was correct. Even copying an incendiary tweet to make a point is extremely foolish during a time of tiots. But 3 years 2 months in jail?
The authoritarian state has gone mad
Given that he was only jailed on Friday how come he has already lost his home?
I mean it's incredibly likely to occur that he will lose his home (mainly because he won't be in it for 18 months and won't be paying the bills) but he hasn't lost it yet.
Edit - I'm also not sure about his “My point is more, it’s one rule for some and another rule for others.”
As the people I expect he is talking about (Farage and co) were a bit cleverer in what they actually wrote..
I agree on your second point. The whole tweet sequence was idiotic and, in this troubled time, the coppers were right to arrest him, and the court to convict him. But a few weeks in jail is surely sufficient. Not three years two months, which is enough to ruin his life and deprive him of a home. And he has three young kids
It's quite telling to compare and contrast the outrage being expressed on PB at sentences for those conducting, enabling and encouraging violent racist thuggery with the general approval expressed also on PB when non-violent Just Stop Oil members were jailed for significantly longer terms of up to 5 years after they had the temerity to discuss organising a peaceful protest on the M25.
For me the JSO cases really brought home the need to inquire into the nature of the sentencing process before getting too aerated about it and going off like a splat, like thise little water pump rockets that were a thing in the 1960s. Issues like prior convictions and conspiracy and riot. By the same token, just complaining about the current crop of sentences isn't particularly productive without the requisite data.
Just got back online after a weekend without internet. Wow. As far as the riots go, it seems to me unquestionable that Sir Keir has played a blinder. The man will reign supreme over the issue of law and order for the foreseeable future. As for the British Right - they (Farage in particular) have got themselves into a right old pickle. Not sure where they go from here.
Except that we've not had any VI polling. But we have seen SKS's personal rating plummeting. So there’s that.
But yeh, apart from actual facts, yep, legendary crisis management.
On a tangential note, it is great to see Charles maturing into his Kingship and failing to take the same overtly political line on the riots that SKS has taken. Given his instincts politically, it must have been tempting, but he's kept his nose clean. He must be getting good advice from somewhere.
I too think that Starmer has played a blinder in response to the riots. They're now utterly quashed and the rioters are getting their just deserts in a hardline response. There is as yet no up to date polling to back up whether my view is shared, but I'll back my judgement in the meantime. What polling there was on Starmer's favourability was more general and was also taken at a point when the riots appeared briefly out of control, so it is likely to be positively misleading on the question of how the government handled the riots specifically.
Unsurprisingly the state saw off this challenge to its authority. However hubris has set in. There is one case where a judge has remanded someone for just being present at the scene of some disorder, another where someone got a 2 year sentence for 'gesticulating' at the police. There is various other stuff, like one where a guy in the midlands went on an ill advised monologue about free speech on Twitter, in doing so retweeting another dodgy tweet, and ended up with 38 months in jail, he has 3 kids and grew up in care etc, they are losing their council house.
For the government to maintain the plausibility of the narrative that this is 'the justice system running its course without fear or favour', instances like the above need to be rapidly corrected. At the moment they are being used by Musk etc as evidence in support of their view of the situation. They also risk unnerving their 'left liberal' support base if they carry on with things like the above.
That's genuinely despicable about the Twitter man; I didn't know that. I don't know how anybody with a moral compass could support that.
Is this the man?
'He tweeted on Wednesday: "Mass deportations now, set fire to all the f***ing hotels full of the b******s for all I care... If that makes me racist, so be it". '
If so, Darkage' s description of the case doesn't seem accurate
That is a quote tweet (of a tweet by the councillor's wife), and it was part of a sequence of tweets where he actually tagged the police, because he was trying to prove a political point
In the circs, even quote-tweeting was foolish, but the intent was not to foment trouble, it was to query police tactics
For that he has got more than three years in jail, and he's lost his home
A few weeks cooling down in chokey would have been sufficient. Three years??
There's a picture of the actual tweet in the news story I linked to above, I don't how to do pictures here, so maybe someone can post it so people can judge for themselves.
As for tagging the police the only sign of that I can see is that in the list of hashtags under the tweet it has #f***northamptonshirepolice
If you are right then please provide a source, please don't take this the wrong way, but experience has taught me that you are often full of shit
Likewise, I find you consitently full of shit, rancid with hypocrisy, also myopic, ludicrous, and idiotic, and dumb as a fucking pit-pony AS WELL, but honestly it's nothing personal
Here's the evidence
"TYLER KAY WENT TO PRISON AND LOST HIS HOUSE FOR COPYING A POST ON X
Tyler was sentenced to 38 months in prison for copying a post made on X by Lucy Connolly, the wife of a Conservative councilor.
The post read: “Mass deportation now, set fire to all the f*king hotels full of the ba*ards for all I care…If that makes me a racist, so be it.”
Lucy had been arrested for the post, and Tyler was trying to prove that he wouldn’t be arrested.
He made this clear in a reply to his post, stating: “My point is more, it’s one rule for some and another rule for others.”
Despite his barrister explaining he was immature, had grown up in care, and would lose his council house as a result of a prison sentence, the judge said he “clearly intended to incite serious violence.”
He then sent Tyler, a father of 3, to prison for 3 years and 2 months.
i believe the arrest and conviction was correct. Even copying an incendiary tweet to make a point is extremely foolish during a time of tiots. But 3 years 2 months in jail?
The authoritarian state has gone mad
I wonder why you don't link to the actual article in the Northampton Chronicle so people can judge for themselves:
'He tweeted his support for wife of West Northamptonshire councillor Ray Connolly, Lucy Connolly, who allegedly posted hateful messages earlier this week. This is the subject of an ongoing police investigation. He admitted copying and pasting the message that she had been arrested for and posting it himself on X.
His message said: “Mass deportation now, set fire to all the f****** hotels full of the b****** for all I care… If that makes me racist, so be it.”
The father-of-three used his own name and profile picture, openly talked to people about where he lived and said during an attack he would use ‘gloves, no car either so no number plate to trace, and a change of clothes ready nearby,’ adding that he ‘watched enough CSI programmes’.
He gave other people advice on ‘staying anon’ and said he would ‘categorically not be arrested’ by Northants Police, before actually tagging the force in one of his tweets.
He used the hashtags #standwithlucyconnolly, #farageriots, #riotsuk and #f***northamptonshirepolice
People on his X account even warned him he would be jailed and he said ‘For what? Sharing a screenshot? You’re delusional buddy’.
The 26-year-old also reposted a screenshot of another message inciting action against a named immigration solicitors in Northampton – the site of Wednesday’s planned disorder – with the message ‘Let’s go!!!’ Other posts attributable to him showed a desire to be involved in organised protests in the town.
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Kay was previously convicted in 2020 after he stole an iphone worth £1,046 from his employer Albion Computers. He was given a community order but failed to comply with it.'
At least you seem to be coming round to slowly admitting that Darkage's description of the case was not accurate, or at least I think you are, so some progress - well done!
I SAID his entire tweet sequence was idiotic, at this time. I SAID he deserved to be arrested, and convicted, and jailed
I also said he does not deserve to have his life ruined and his home taken away, for some damn stupid tweets
It’s about context.
Shouting “fire” when a panic has already caused injuries and great damage is not just about the word “fire”. It’s about the further injuries, damage and even death that may result.
Just got back online after a weekend without internet. Wow. As far as the riots go, it seems to me unquestionable that Sir Keir has played a blinder. The man will reign supreme over the issue of law and order for the foreseeable future. As for the British Right - they (Farage in particular) have got themselves into a right old pickle. Not sure where they go from here.
Except that we've not had any VI polling. But we have seen SKS's personal rating plummeting. So there’s that.
But yeh, apart from actual facts, yep, legendary crisis management.
On a tangential note, it is great to see Charles maturing into his Kingship and failing to take the same overtly political line on the riots that SKS has taken. Given his instincts politically, it must have been tempting, but he's kept his nose clean. He must be getting good advice from somewhere.
I too think that Starmer has played a blinder in response to the riots. They're now utterly quashed and the rioters are getting their just deserts in a hardline response. There is as yet no up to date polling to back up whether my view is shared, but I'll back my judgement in the meantime. What polling there was on Starmer's favourability was more general and was also taken at a point when the riots appeared briefly out of control, so it is likely to be positively misleading on the question of how the government handled the riots specifically.
Unsurprisingly the state saw off this challenge to its authority. However hubris has set in. There is one case where a judge has remanded someone for just being present at the scene of some disorder, another where someone got a 2 year sentence for 'gesticulating' at the police. There is various other stuff, like one where a guy in the midlands went on an ill advised monologue about free speech on Twitter, in doing so retweeting another dodgy tweet, and ended up with 38 months in jail, he has 3 kids and grew up in care etc, they are losing their council house.
For the government to maintain the plausibility of the narrative that this is 'the justice system running its course without fear or favour', instances like the above need to be rapidly corrected. At the moment they are being used by Musk etc as evidence in support of their view of the situation. They also risk unnerving their 'left liberal' support base if they carry on with things like the above.
That's genuinely despicable about the Twitter man; I didn't know that. I don't know how anybody with a moral compass could support that.
Is this the man?
'He tweeted on Wednesday: "Mass deportations now, set fire to all the f***ing hotels full of the b******s for all I care... If that makes me racist, so be it". '
If so, Darkage' s description of the case doesn't seem accurate
That is a quote tweet (of a tweet by the councillor's wife), and it was part of a sequence of tweets where he actually tagged the police, because he was trying to prove a political point
In the circs, even quote-tweeting was foolish, but the intent was not to foment trouble, it was to query police tactics
For that he has got more than three years in jail, and he's lost his home
A few weeks cooling down in chokey would have been sufficient. Three years??
There's a picture of the actual tweet in the news story I linked to above, I don't how to do pictures here, so maybe someone can post it so people can judge for themselves.
As for tagging the police the only sign of that I can see is that in the list of hashtags under the tweet it has #f***northamptonshirepolice
If you are right then please provide a source, please don't take this the wrong way, but experience has taught me that you are often full of shit
Likewise, I find you consitently full of shit, rancid with hypocrisy, also myopic, ludicrous, and idiotic, and dumb as a fucking pit-pony AS WELL, but honestly it's nothing personal
Here's the evidence
"TYLER KAY WENT TO PRISON AND LOST HIS HOUSE FOR COPYING A POST ON X
Tyler was sentenced to 38 months in prison for copying a post made on X by Lucy Connolly, the wife of a Conservative councilor.
The post read: “Mass deportation now, set fire to all the f*king hotels full of the ba*ards for all I care…If that makes me a racist, so be it.”
Lucy had been arrested for the post, and Tyler was trying to prove that he wouldn’t be arrested.
He made this clear in a reply to his post, stating: “My point is more, it’s one rule for some and another rule for others.”
Despite his barrister explaining he was immature, had grown up in care, and would lose his council house as a result of a prison sentence, the judge said he “clearly intended to incite serious violence.”
He then sent Tyler, a father of 3, to prison for 3 years and 2 months.
i believe the arrest and conviction was correct. Even copying an incendiary tweet to make a point is extremely foolish during a time of tiots. But 3 years 2 months in jail?
The authoritarian state has gone mad
Starmer has passed no new laws or sentencing rules, so these wronguns (who have all pleaded guilty) are being punished under the same rules as the last decade of Tory Home Secretary's.
People don't get to incite violence for free just because it is on Social Media. Even people who claim very high IQs.
Just got back online after a weekend without internet. Wow. As far as the riots go, it seems to me unquestionable that Sir Keir has played a blinder. The man will reign supreme over the issue of law and order for the foreseeable future. As for the British Right - they (Farage in particular) have got themselves into a right old pickle. Not sure where they go from here.
Except that we've not had any VI polling. But we have seen SKS's personal rating plummeting. So there’s that.
But yeh, apart from actual facts, yep, legendary crisis management.
On a tangential note, it is great to see Charles maturing into his Kingship and failing to take the same overtly political line on the riots that SKS has taken. Given his instincts politically, it must have been tempting, but he's kept his nose clean. He must be getting good advice from somewhere.
I too think that Starmer has played a blinder in response to the riots. They're now utterly quashed and the rioters are getting their just deserts in a hardline response. There is as yet no up to date polling to back up whether my view is shared, but I'll back my judgement in the meantime. What polling there was on Starmer's favourability was more general and was also taken at a point when the riots appeared briefly out of control, so it is likely to be positively misleading on the question of how the government handled the riots specifically.
Unsurprisingly the state saw off this challenge to its authority. However hubris has set in. There is one case where a judge has remanded someone for just being present at the scene of some disorder, another where someone got a 2 year sentence for 'gesticulating' at the police. There is various other stuff, like one where a guy in the midlands went on an ill advised monologue about free speech on Twitter, in doing so retweeting another dodgy tweet, and ended up with 38 months in jail, he has 3 kids and grew up in care etc, they are losing their council house.
For the government to maintain the plausibility of the narrative that this is 'the justice system running its course without fear or favour', instances like the above need to be rapidly corrected. At the moment they are being used by Musk etc as evidence in support of their view of the situation. They also risk unnerving their 'left liberal' support base if they carry on with things like the above.
That's genuinely despicable about the Twitter man; I didn't know that. I don't know how anybody with a moral compass could support that.
Is this the man?
'He tweeted on Wednesday: "Mass deportations now, set fire to all the f***ing hotels full of the b******s for all I care... If that makes me racist, so be it". '
If so, Darkage' s description of the case doesn't seem accurate
That is a quote tweet (of a tweet by the councillor's wife), and it was part of a sequence of tweets where he actually tagged the police, because he was trying to prove a political point
In the circs, even quote-tweeting was foolish, but the intent was not to foment trouble, it was to query police tactics
For that he has got more than three years in jail, and he's lost his home
A few weeks cooling down in chokey would have been sufficient. Three years??
There's a picture of the actual tweet in the news story I linked to above, I don't how to do pictures here, so maybe someone can post it so people can judge for themselves.
As for tagging the police the only sign of that I can see is that in the list of hashtags under the tweet it has #f***northamptonshirepolice
If you are right then please provide a source, please don't take this the wrong way, but experience has taught me that you are often full of shit
Likewise, I find you consitently full of shit, rancid with hypocrisy, also myopic, ludicrous, and idiotic, and dumb as a fucking pit-pony AS WELL, but honestly it's nothing personal
Here's the evidence
"TYLER KAY WENT TO PRISON AND LOST HIS HOUSE FOR COPYING A POST ON X
Tyler was sentenced to 38 months in prison for copying a post made on X by Lucy Connolly, the wife of a Conservative councilor.
The post read: “Mass deportation now, set fire to all the f*king hotels full of the ba*ards for all I care…If that makes me a racist, so be it.”
Lucy had been arrested for the post, and Tyler was trying to prove that he wouldn’t be arrested.
He made this clear in a reply to his post, stating: “My point is more, it’s one rule for some and another rule for others.”
Despite his barrister explaining he was immature, had grown up in care, and would lose his council house as a result of a prison sentence, the judge said he “clearly intended to incite serious violence.”
He then sent Tyler, a father of 3, to prison for 3 years and 2 months.
i believe the arrest and conviction was correct. Even copying an incendiary tweet to make a point is extremely foolish during a time of tiots. But 3 years 2 months in jail?
The authoritarian state has gone mad
Given that he was only jailed on Friday how come he has already lost his home?
I mean it's incredibly likely to occur that he will lose his home (mainly because he won't be in it for 18 months and won't be paying the bills) but he hasn't lost it yet.
Edit - I'm also not sure about his “My point is more, it’s one rule for some and another rule for others.”
As the people I expect he is talking about (Farage and co) were a bit cleverer in what they actually wrote..
I agree on your second point. The whole tweet sequence was idiotic and, in this troubled time, the coppers were right to arrest him, and the court to convict him. But a few weeks in jail is surely sufficient. Not three years two months, which is enough to ruin his life and deprive him of a home. And he has three young kids
It's quite telling to compare and contrast the outrage being expressed on PB at sentences for those conducting, enabling and encouraging violent racist thuggery with the general approval expressed also on PB when non-violent Just Stop Oil members were jailed for significantly longer terms of up to 5 years after they had the temerity to discuss organising a peaceful protest on the M25.
For me the JSO cases really brought home the need to inquire into the nature of the sentencing process before getting too aerated about it and going off like a splat, like thise little water pump rockets that were a thing in the 1960s. Issues like prior convictions and conspiracy and riot. By the same token, just complaining about the current crop of sentences isn't particularly productive without the requisite data.
The sentencing guidelines are an unusually clear and fairly rational system. In particular, someone with no legal training can understand the process and work out how the sentence was arrived at.
As a critic of stupid processes, I would say that the sentencing guidelines documents should get at least a B+, maybe an A-
Just got back online after a weekend without internet. Wow. As far as the riots go, it seems to me unquestionable that Sir Keir has played a blinder. The man will reign supreme over the issue of law and order for the foreseeable future. As for the British Right - they (Farage in particular) have got themselves into a right old pickle. Not sure where they go from here.
Except that we've not had any VI polling. But we have seen SKS's personal rating plummeting. So there’s that.
But yeh, apart from actual facts, yep, legendary crisis management.
On a tangential note, it is great to see Charles maturing into his Kingship and failing to take the same overtly political line on the riots that SKS has taken. Given his instincts politically, it must have been tempting, but he's kept his nose clean. He must be getting good advice from somewhere.
I too think that Starmer has played a blinder in response to the riots. They're now utterly quashed and the rioters are getting their just deserts in a hardline response. There is as yet no up to date polling to back up whether my view is shared, but I'll back my judgement in the meantime. What polling there was on Starmer's favourability was more general and was also taken at a point when the riots appeared briefly out of control, so it is likely to be positively misleading on the question of how the government handled the riots specifically.
Unsurprisingly the state saw off this challenge to its authority. However hubris has set in. There is one case where a judge has remanded someone for just being present at the scene of some disorder, another where someone got a 2 year sentence for 'gesticulating' at the police. There is various other stuff, like one where a guy in the midlands went on an ill advised monologue about free speech on Twitter, in doing so retweeting another dodgy tweet, and ended up with 38 months in jail, he has 3 kids and grew up in care etc, they are losing their council house.
For the government to maintain the plausibility of the narrative that this is 'the justice system running its course without fear or favour', instances like the above need to be rapidly corrected. At the moment they are being used by Musk etc as evidence in support of their view of the situation. They also risk unnerving their 'left liberal' support base if they carry on with things like the above.
That's genuinely despicable about the Twitter man; I didn't know that. I don't know how anybody with a moral compass could support that.
Is this the man?
'He tweeted on Wednesday: "Mass deportations now, set fire to all the f***ing hotels full of the b******s for all I care... If that makes me racist, so be it". '
If so, Darkage' s description of the case doesn't seem accurate
That is a quote tweet (of a tweet by the councillor's wife), and it was part of a sequence of tweets where he actually tagged the police, because he was trying to prove a political point
In the circs, even quote-tweeting was foolish, but the intent was not to foment trouble, it was to query police tactics
For that he has got more than three years in jail, and he's lost his home
A few weeks cooling down in chokey would have been sufficient. Three years??
There's a picture of the actual tweet in the news story I linked to above, I don't how to do pictures here, so maybe someone can post it so people can judge for themselves.
As for tagging the police the only sign of that I can see is that in the list of hashtags under the tweet it has #f***northamptonshirepolice
If you are right then please provide a source, please don't take this the wrong way, but experience has taught me that you are often full of shit
Likewise, I find you consitently full of shit, rancid with hypocrisy, also myopic, ludicrous, and idiotic, and dumb as a fucking pit-pony AS WELL, but honestly it's nothing personal
Here's the evidence
"TYLER KAY WENT TO PRISON AND LOST HIS HOUSE FOR COPYING A POST ON X
Tyler was sentenced to 38 months in prison for copying a post made on X by Lucy Connolly, the wife of a Conservative councilor.
The post read: “Mass deportation now, set fire to all the f*king hotels full of the ba*ards for all I care…If that makes me a racist, so be it.”
Lucy had been arrested for the post, and Tyler was trying to prove that he wouldn’t be arrested.
He made this clear in a reply to his post, stating: “My point is more, it’s one rule for some and another rule for others.”
Despite his barrister explaining he was immature, had grown up in care, and would lose his council house as a result of a prison sentence, the judge said he “clearly intended to incite serious violence.”
He then sent Tyler, a father of 3, to prison for 3 years and 2 months.
i believe the arrest and conviction was correct. Even copying an incendiary tweet to make a point is extremely foolish during a time of tiots. But 3 years 2 months in jail?
The authoritarian state has gone mad
Starmer has passed no new laws or sentencing rules, so these wronguns (who have all pleaded guilty) are being punished under the same rules as the last decade of Tory Home Secretary's.
People don't get to incite violence for free just because it is on Social Media. Even people who claim very high IQs.
I'd also be surprised if SKS has appointed many new judges or magistrates, too.
Just got back online after a weekend without internet. Wow. As far as the riots go, it seems to me unquestionable that Sir Keir has played a blinder. The man will reign supreme over the issue of law and order for the foreseeable future. As for the British Right - they (Farage in particular) have got themselves into a right old pickle. Not sure where they go from here.
Except that we've not had any VI polling. But we have seen SKS's personal rating plummeting. So there’s that.
But yeh, apart from actual facts, yep, legendary crisis management.
On a tangential note, it is great to see Charles maturing into his Kingship and failing to take the same overtly political line on the riots that SKS has taken. Given his instincts politically, it must have been tempting, but he's kept his nose clean. He must be getting good advice from somewhere.
I too think that Starmer has played a blinder in response to the riots. They're now utterly quashed and the rioters are getting their just deserts in a hardline response. There is as yet no up to date polling to back up whether my view is shared, but I'll back my judgement in the meantime. What polling there was on Starmer's favourability was more general and was also taken at a point when the riots appeared briefly out of control, so it is likely to be positively misleading on the question of how the government handled the riots specifically.
Unsurprisingly the state saw off this challenge to its authority. However hubris has set in. There is one case where a judge has remanded someone for just being present at the scene of some disorder, another where someone got a 2 year sentence for 'gesticulating' at the police. There is various other stuff, like one where a guy in the midlands went on an ill advised monologue about free speech on Twitter, in doing so retweeting another dodgy tweet, and ended up with 38 months in jail, he has 3 kids and grew up in care etc, they are losing their council house.
For the government to maintain the plausibility of the narrative that this is 'the justice system running its course without fear or favour', instances like the above need to be rapidly corrected. At the moment they are being used by Musk etc as evidence in support of their view of the situation. They also risk unnerving their 'left liberal' support base if they carry on with things like the above.
That's genuinely despicable about the Twitter man; I didn't know that. I don't know how anybody with a moral compass could support that.
Is this the man?
'He tweeted on Wednesday: "Mass deportations now, set fire to all the f***ing hotels full of the b******s for all I care... If that makes me racist, so be it". '
If so, Darkage' s description of the case doesn't seem accurate
That is a quote tweet (of a tweet by the councillor's wife), and it was part of a sequence of tweets where he actually tagged the police, because he was trying to prove a political point
In the circs, even quote-tweeting was foolish, but the intent was not to foment trouble, it was to query police tactics
For that he has got more than three years in jail, and he's lost his home
A few weeks cooling down in chokey would have been sufficient. Three years??
There's a picture of the actual tweet in the news story I linked to above, I don't how to do pictures here, so maybe someone can post it so people can judge for themselves.
As for tagging the police the only sign of that I can see is that in the list of hashtags under the tweet it has #f***northamptonshirepolice
If you are right then please provide a source, please don't take this the wrong way, but experience has taught me that you are often full of shit
Likewise, I find you consitently full of shit, rancid with hypocrisy, also myopic, ludicrous, and idiotic, and dumb as a fucking pit-pony AS WELL, but honestly it's nothing personal
Here's the evidence
"TYLER KAY WENT TO PRISON AND LOST HIS HOUSE FOR COPYING A POST ON X
Tyler was sentenced to 38 months in prison for copying a post made on X by Lucy Connolly, the wife of a Conservative councilor.
The post read: “Mass deportation now, set fire to all the f*king hotels full of the ba*ards for all I care…If that makes me a racist, so be it.”
Lucy had been arrested for the post, and Tyler was trying to prove that he wouldn’t be arrested.
He made this clear in a reply to his post, stating: “My point is more, it’s one rule for some and another rule for others.”
Despite his barrister explaining he was immature, had grown up in care, and would lose his council house as a result of a prison sentence, the judge said he “clearly intended to incite serious violence.”
He then sent Tyler, a father of 3, to prison for 3 years and 2 months.
i believe the arrest and conviction was correct. Even copying an incendiary tweet to make a point is extremely foolish during a time of tiots. But 3 years 2 months in jail?
The authoritarian state has gone mad
Starmer has passed no new laws or sentencing rules, so these wronguns (who have all pleaded guilty) are being punished under the same rules as the last decade of Tory Home Secretary's.
People don't get to incite violence for free just because it is on Social Media. Even people who claim very high IQs.
"Starmer leaned really heavily on the justice system"
Just got back online after a weekend without internet. Wow. As far as the riots go, it seems to me unquestionable that Sir Keir has played a blinder. The man will reign supreme over the issue of law and order for the foreseeable future. As for the British Right - they (Farage in particular) have got themselves into a right old pickle. Not sure where they go from here.
Except that we've not had any VI polling. But we have seen SKS's personal rating plummeting. So there’s that.
But yeh, apart from actual facts, yep, legendary crisis management.
On a tangential note, it is great to see Charles maturing into his Kingship and failing to take the same overtly political line on the riots that SKS has taken. Given his instincts politically, it must have been tempting, but he's kept his nose clean. He must be getting good advice from somewhere.
I too think that Starmer has played a blinder in response to the riots. They're now utterly quashed and the rioters are getting their just deserts in a hardline response. There is as yet no up to date polling to back up whether my view is shared, but I'll back my judgement in the meantime. What polling there was on Starmer's favourability was more general and was also taken at a point when the riots appeared briefly out of control, so it is likely to be positively misleading on the question of how the government handled the riots specifically.
Unsurprisingly the state saw off this challenge to its authority. However hubris has set in. There is one case where a judge has remanded someone for just being present at the scene of some disorder, another where someone got a 2 year sentence for 'gesticulating' at the police. There is various other stuff, like one where a guy in the midlands went on an ill advised monologue about free speech on Twitter, in doing so retweeting another dodgy tweet, and ended up with 38 months in jail, he has 3 kids and grew up in care etc, they are losing their council house.
For the government to maintain the plausibility of the narrative that this is 'the justice system running its course without fear or favour', instances like the above need to be rapidly corrected. At the moment they are being used by Musk etc as evidence in support of their view of the situation. They also risk unnerving their 'left liberal' support base if they carry on with things like the above.
That's genuinely despicable about the Twitter man; I didn't know that. I don't know how anybody with a moral compass could support that.
Is this the man?
'He tweeted on Wednesday: "Mass deportations now, set fire to all the f***ing hotels full of the b******s for all I care... If that makes me racist, so be it". '
If so, Darkage' s description of the case doesn't seem accurate
That is a quote tweet (of a tweet by the councillor's wife), and it was part of a sequence of tweets where he actually tagged the police, because he was trying to prove a political point
In the circs, even quote-tweeting was foolish, but the intent was not to foment trouble, it was to query police tactics
For that he has got more than three years in jail, and he's lost his home
A few weeks cooling down in chokey would have been sufficient. Three years??
There's a picture of the actual tweet in the news story I linked to above, I don't how to do pictures here, so maybe someone can post it so people can judge for themselves.
As for tagging the police the only sign of that I can see is that in the list of hashtags under the tweet it has #f***northamptonshirepolice
If you are right then please provide a source, please don't take this the wrong way, but experience has taught me that you are often full of shit
Likewise, I find you consitently full of shit, rancid with hypocrisy, also myopic, ludicrous, and idiotic, and dumb as a fucking pit-pony AS WELL, but honestly it's nothing personal
Here's the evidence
"TYLER KAY WENT TO PRISON AND LOST HIS HOUSE FOR COPYING A POST ON X
Tyler was sentenced to 38 months in prison for copying a post made on X by Lucy Connolly, the wife of a Conservative councilor.
The post read: “Mass deportation now, set fire to all the f*king hotels full of the ba*ards for all I care…If that makes me a racist, so be it.”
Lucy had been arrested for the post, and Tyler was trying to prove that he wouldn’t be arrested.
He made this clear in a reply to his post, stating: “My point is more, it’s one rule for some and another rule for others.”
Despite his barrister explaining he was immature, had grown up in care, and would lose his council house as a result of a prison sentence, the judge said he “clearly intended to incite serious violence.”
He then sent Tyler, a father of 3, to prison for 3 years and 2 months.
i believe the arrest and conviction was correct. Even copying an incendiary tweet to make a point is extremely foolish during a time of tiots. But 3 years 2 months in jail?
The authoritarian state has gone mad
Given that he was only jailed on Friday how come he has already lost his home?
I mean it's incredibly likely to occur that he will lose his home (mainly because he won't be in it for 18 months and won't be paying the bills) but he hasn't lost it yet.
Edit - I'm also not sure about his “My point is more, it’s one rule for some and another rule for others.”
As the people I expect he is talking about (Farage and co) were a bit cleverer in what they actually wrote..
I agree on your second point. The whole tweet sequence was idiotic and, in this troubled time, the coppers were right to arrest him, and the court to convict him. But a few weeks in jail is surely sufficient. Not three years two months, which is enough to ruin his life and deprive him of a home. And he has three young kids
It's quite telling to compare and contrast the outrage being expressed on PB at sentences for those conducting, enabling and encouraging violent racist thuggery with the general approval expressed also on PB when non-violent Just Stop Oil members were jailed for significantly longer terms of up to 5 years after they had the temerity to discuss organising a peaceful protest on the M25.
Thankfully that is not why they got the sentences they did.
Just got back online after a weekend without internet. Wow. As far as the riots go, it seems to me unquestionable that Sir Keir has played a blinder. The man will reign supreme over the issue of law and order for the foreseeable future. As for the British Right - they (Farage in particular) have got themselves into a right old pickle. Not sure where they go from here.
Except that we've not had any VI polling. But we have seen SKS's personal rating plummeting. So there’s that.
But yeh, apart from actual facts, yep, legendary crisis management.
On a tangential note, it is great to see Charles maturing into his Kingship and failing to take the same overtly political line on the riots that SKS has taken. Given his instincts politically, it must have been tempting, but he's kept his nose clean. He must be getting good advice from somewhere.
I too think that Starmer has played a blinder in response to the riots. They're now utterly quashed and the rioters are getting their just deserts in a hardline response. There is as yet no up to date polling to back up whether my view is shared, but I'll back my judgement in the meantime. What polling there was on Starmer's favourability was more general and was also taken at a point when the riots appeared briefly out of control, so it is likely to be positively misleading on the question of how the government handled the riots specifically.
Unsurprisingly the state saw off this challenge to its authority. However hubris has set in. There is one case where a judge has remanded someone for just being present at the scene of some disorder, another where someone got a 2 year sentence for 'gesticulating' at the police. There is various other stuff, like one where a guy in the midlands went on an ill advised monologue about free speech on Twitter, in doing so retweeting another dodgy tweet, and ended up with 38 months in jail, he has 3 kids and grew up in care etc, they are losing their council house.
For the government to maintain the plausibility of the narrative that this is 'the justice system running its course without fear or favour', instances like the above need to be rapidly corrected. At the moment they are being used by Musk etc as evidence in support of their view of the situation. They also risk unnerving their 'left liberal' support base if they carry on with things like the above.
That's genuinely despicable about the Twitter man; I didn't know that. I don't know how anybody with a moral compass could support that.
Is this the man?
'He tweeted on Wednesday: "Mass deportations now, set fire to all the f***ing hotels full of the b******s for all I care... If that makes me racist, so be it". '
If so, Darkage' s description of the case doesn't seem accurate
That is a quote tweet (of a tweet by the councillor's wife), and it was part of a sequence of tweets where he actually tagged the police, because he was trying to prove a political point
In the circs, even quote-tweeting was foolish, but the intent was not to foment trouble, it was to query police tactics
For that he has got more than three years in jail, and he's lost his home
A few weeks cooling down in chokey would have been sufficient. Three years??
There's a picture of the actual tweet in the news story I linked to above, I don't how to do pictures here, so maybe someone can post it so people can judge for themselves.
As for tagging the police the only sign of that I can see is that in the list of hashtags under the tweet it has #f***northamptonshirepolice
If you are right then please provide a source, please don't take this the wrong way, but experience has taught me that you are often full of shit
Likewise, I find you consitently full of shit, rancid with hypocrisy, also myopic, ludicrous, and idiotic, and dumb as a fucking pit-pony AS WELL, but honestly it's nothing personal
Here's the evidence
"TYLER KAY WENT TO PRISON AND LOST HIS HOUSE FOR COPYING A POST ON X
Tyler was sentenced to 38 months in prison for copying a post made on X by Lucy Connolly, the wife of a Conservative councilor.
The post read: “Mass deportation now, set fire to all the f*king hotels full of the ba*ards for all I care…If that makes me a racist, so be it.”
Lucy had been arrested for the post, and Tyler was trying to prove that he wouldn’t be arrested.
He made this clear in a reply to his post, stating: “My point is more, it’s one rule for some and another rule for others.”
Despite his barrister explaining he was immature, had grown up in care, and would lose his council house as a result of a prison sentence, the judge said he “clearly intended to incite serious violence.”
He then sent Tyler, a father of 3, to prison for 3 years and 2 months.
i believe the arrest and conviction was correct. Even copying an incendiary tweet to make a point is extremely foolish during a time of tiots. But 3 years 2 months in jail?
The authoritarian state has gone mad
Starmer has passed no new laws or sentencing rules, so these wronguns (who have all pleaded guilty) are being punished under the same rules as the last decade of Tory Home Secretary's.
People don't get to incite violence for free just because it is on Social Media. Even people who claim very high IQs.
"Starmer leaned really heavily on the justice system"
The Times, two days ago (£££)
What it does show is crime and criminality can be stomped on and reduced pretty quickly with proactive policing and political will.
Sadly that does not seem to extend to domestic burglary, shoplifting or any other number of crimes that blight some communities but does not impact on the political class.
Just got back online after a weekend without internet. Wow. As far as the riots go, it seems to me unquestionable that Sir Keir has played a blinder. The man will reign supreme over the issue of law and order for the foreseeable future. As for the British Right - they (Farage in particular) have got themselves into a right old pickle. Not sure where they go from here.
Except that we've not had any VI polling. But we have seen SKS's personal rating plummeting. So there’s that.
But yeh, apart from actual facts, yep, legendary crisis management.
On a tangential note, it is great to see Charles maturing into his Kingship and failing to take the same overtly political line on the riots that SKS has taken. Given his instincts politically, it must have been tempting, but he's kept his nose clean. He must be getting good advice from somewhere.
I too think that Starmer has played a blinder in response to the riots. They're now utterly quashed and the rioters are getting their just deserts in a hardline response. There is as yet no up to date polling to back up whether my view is shared, but I'll back my judgement in the meantime. What polling there was on Starmer's favourability was more general and was also taken at a point when the riots appeared briefly out of control, so it is likely to be positively misleading on the question of how the government handled the riots specifically.
Unsurprisingly the state saw off this challenge to its authority. However hubris has set in. There is one case where a judge has remanded someone for just being present at the scene of some disorder, another where someone got a 2 year sentence for 'gesticulating' at the police. There is various other stuff, like one where a guy in the midlands went on an ill advised monologue about free speech on Twitter, in doing so retweeting another dodgy tweet, and ended up with 38 months in jail, he has 3 kids and grew up in care etc, they are losing their council house.
For the government to maintain the plausibility of the narrative that this is 'the justice system running its course without fear or favour', instances like the above need to be rapidly corrected. At the moment they are being used by Musk etc as evidence in support of their view of the situation. They also risk unnerving their 'left liberal' support base if they carry on with things like the above.
That's genuinely despicable about the Twitter man; I didn't know that. I don't know how anybody with a moral compass could support that.
Is this the man?
'He tweeted on Wednesday: "Mass deportations now, set fire to all the f***ing hotels full of the b******s for all I care... If that makes me racist, so be it". '
If so, Darkage' s description of the case doesn't seem accurate
That is a quote tweet (of a tweet by the councillor's wife), and it was part of a sequence of tweets where he actually tagged the police, because he was trying to prove a political point
In the circs, even quote-tweeting was foolish, but the intent was not to foment trouble, it was to query police tactics
For that he has got more than three years in jail, and he's lost his home
A few weeks cooling down in chokey would have been sufficient. Three years??
There's a picture of the actual tweet in the news story I linked to above, I don't how to do pictures here, so maybe someone can post it so people can judge for themselves.
As for tagging the police the only sign of that I can see is that in the list of hashtags under the tweet it has #f***northamptonshirepolice
If you are right then please provide a source, please don't take this the wrong way, but experience has taught me that you are often full of shit
Likewise, I find you consitently full of shit, rancid with hypocrisy, also myopic, ludicrous, and idiotic, and dumb as a fucking pit-pony AS WELL, but honestly it's nothing personal
Here's the evidence
"TYLER KAY WENT TO PRISON AND LOST HIS HOUSE FOR COPYING A POST ON X
Tyler was sentenced to 38 months in prison for copying a post made on X by Lucy Connolly, the wife of a Conservative councilor.
The post read: “Mass deportation now, set fire to all the f*king hotels full of the ba*ards for all I care…If that makes me a racist, so be it.”
Lucy had been arrested for the post, and Tyler was trying to prove that he wouldn’t be arrested.
He made this clear in a reply to his post, stating: “My point is more, it’s one rule for some and another rule for others.”
Despite his barrister explaining he was immature, had grown up in care, and would lose his council house as a result of a prison sentence, the judge said he “clearly intended to incite serious violence.”
He then sent Tyler, a father of 3, to prison for 3 years and 2 months.
i believe the arrest and conviction was correct. Even copying an incendiary tweet to make a point is extremely foolish during a time of tiots. But 3 years 2 months in jail?
The authoritarian state has gone mad
Starmer has passed no new laws or sentencing rules, so these wronguns (who have all pleaded guilty) are being punished under the same rules as the last decade of Tory Home Secretary's.
People don't get to incite violence for free just because it is on Social Media. Even people who claim very high IQs.
"Starmer leaned really heavily on the justice system"
The Times, two days ago (£££)
I have a Times subscription - please provide the actual link as there is no headline saying that..
Just got back online after a weekend without internet. Wow. As far as the riots go, it seems to me unquestionable that Sir Keir has played a blinder. The man will reign supreme over the issue of law and order for the foreseeable future. As for the British Right - they (Farage in particular) have got themselves into a right old pickle. Not sure where they go from here.
Except that we've not had any VI polling. But we have seen SKS's personal rating plummeting. So there’s that.
But yeh, apart from actual facts, yep, legendary crisis management.
On a tangential note, it is great to see Charles maturing into his Kingship and failing to take the same overtly political line on the riots that SKS has taken. Given his instincts politically, it must have been tempting, but he's kept his nose clean. He must be getting good advice from somewhere.
I too think that Starmer has played a blinder in response to the riots. They're now utterly quashed and the rioters are getting their just deserts in a hardline response. There is as yet no up to date polling to back up whether my view is shared, but I'll back my judgement in the meantime. What polling there was on Starmer's favourability was more general and was also taken at a point when the riots appeared briefly out of control, so it is likely to be positively misleading on the question of how the government handled the riots specifically.
Unsurprisingly the state saw off this challenge to its authority. However hubris has set in. There is one case where a judge has remanded someone for just being present at the scene of some disorder, another where someone got a 2 year sentence for 'gesticulating' at the police. There is various other stuff, like one where a guy in the midlands went on an ill advised monologue about free speech on Twitter, in doing so retweeting another dodgy tweet, and ended up with 38 months in jail, he has 3 kids and grew up in care etc, they are losing their council house.
For the government to maintain the plausibility of the narrative that this is 'the justice system running its course without fear or favour', instances like the above need to be rapidly corrected. At the moment they are being used by Musk etc as evidence in support of their view of the situation. They also risk unnerving their 'left liberal' support base if they carry on with things like the above.
That's genuinely despicable about the Twitter man; I didn't know that. I don't know how anybody with a moral compass could support that.
Is this the man?
'He tweeted on Wednesday: "Mass deportations now, set fire to all the f***ing hotels full of the b******s for all I care... If that makes me racist, so be it". '
If so, Darkage' s description of the case doesn't seem accurate
That is a quote tweet (of a tweet by the councillor's wife), and it was part of a sequence of tweets where he actually tagged the police, because he was trying to prove a political point
In the circs, even quote-tweeting was foolish, but the intent was not to foment trouble, it was to query police tactics
For that he has got more than three years in jail, and he's lost his home
A few weeks cooling down in chokey would have been sufficient. Three years??
There's a picture of the actual tweet in the news story I linked to above, I don't how to do pictures here, so maybe someone can post it so people can judge for themselves.
As for tagging the police the only sign of that I can see is that in the list of hashtags under the tweet it has #f***northamptonshirepolice
If you are right then please provide a source, please don't take this the wrong way, but experience has taught me that you are often full of shit
Likewise, I find you consitently full of shit, rancid with hypocrisy, also myopic, ludicrous, and idiotic, and dumb as a fucking pit-pony AS WELL, but honestly it's nothing personal
Here's the evidence
"TYLER KAY WENT TO PRISON AND LOST HIS HOUSE FOR COPYING A POST ON X
Tyler was sentenced to 38 months in prison for copying a post made on X by Lucy Connolly, the wife of a Conservative councilor.
The post read: “Mass deportation now, set fire to all the f*king hotels full of the ba*ards for all I care…If that makes me a racist, so be it.”
Lucy had been arrested for the post, and Tyler was trying to prove that he wouldn’t be arrested.
He made this clear in a reply to his post, stating: “My point is more, it’s one rule for some and another rule for others.”
Despite his barrister explaining he was immature, had grown up in care, and would lose his council house as a result of a prison sentence, the judge said he “clearly intended to incite serious violence.”
He then sent Tyler, a father of 3, to prison for 3 years and 2 months.
i believe the arrest and conviction was correct. Even copying an incendiary tweet to make a point is extremely foolish during a time of tiots. But 3 years 2 months in jail?
The authoritarian state has gone mad
Starmer has passed no new laws or sentencing rules, so these wronguns (who have all pleaded guilty) are being punished under the same rules as the last decade of Tory Home Secretary's.
People don't get to incite violence for free just because it is on Social Media. Even people who claim very high IQs.
"Starmer leaned really heavily on the justice system"
The Times, two days ago (£££)
I have a Times subscription - please provide the actual link as there is no headline saying that..
Just got back online after a weekend without internet. Wow. As far as the riots go, it seems to me unquestionable that Sir Keir has played a blinder. The man will reign supreme over the issue of law and order for the foreseeable future. As for the British Right - they (Farage in particular) have got themselves into a right old pickle. Not sure where they go from here.
Except that we've not had any VI polling. But we have seen SKS's personal rating plummeting. So there’s that.
But yeh, apart from actual facts, yep, legendary crisis management.
On a tangential note, it is great to see Charles maturing into his Kingship and failing to take the same overtly political line on the riots that SKS has taken. Given his instincts politically, it must have been tempting, but he's kept his nose clean. He must be getting good advice from somewhere.
I too think that Starmer has played a blinder in response to the riots. They're now utterly quashed and the rioters are getting their just deserts in a hardline response. There is as yet no up to date polling to back up whether my view is shared, but I'll back my judgement in the meantime. What polling there was on Starmer's favourability was more general and was also taken at a point when the riots appeared briefly out of control, so it is likely to be positively misleading on the question of how the government handled the riots specifically.
Unsurprisingly the state saw off this challenge to its authority. However hubris has set in. There is one case where a judge has remanded someone for just being present at the scene of some disorder, another where someone got a 2 year sentence for 'gesticulating' at the police. There is various other stuff, like one where a guy in the midlands went on an ill advised monologue about free speech on Twitter, in doing so retweeting another dodgy tweet, and ended up with 38 months in jail, he has 3 kids and grew up in care etc, they are losing their council house.
For the government to maintain the plausibility of the narrative that this is 'the justice system running its course without fear or favour', instances like the above need to be rapidly corrected. At the moment they are being used by Musk etc as evidence in support of their view of the situation. They also risk unnerving their 'left liberal' support base if they carry on with things like the above.
That's genuinely despicable about the Twitter man; I didn't know that. I don't know how anybody with a moral compass could support that.
Is this the man?
'He tweeted on Wednesday: "Mass deportations now, set fire to all the f***ing hotels full of the b******s for all I care... If that makes me racist, so be it". '
If so, Darkage' s description of the case doesn't seem accurate
That is a quote tweet (of a tweet by the councillor's wife), and it was part of a sequence of tweets where he actually tagged the police, because he was trying to prove a political point
In the circs, even quote-tweeting was foolish, but the intent was not to foment trouble, it was to query police tactics
For that he has got more than three years in jail, and he's lost his home
A few weeks cooling down in chokey would have been sufficient. Three years??
There's a picture of the actual tweet in the news story I linked to above, I don't how to do pictures here, so maybe someone can post it so people can judge for themselves.
As for tagging the police the only sign of that I can see is that in the list of hashtags under the tweet it has #f***northamptonshirepolice
If you are right then please provide a source, please don't take this the wrong way, but experience has taught me that you are often full of shit
Likewise, I find you consitently full of shit, rancid with hypocrisy, also myopic, ludicrous, and idiotic, and dumb as a fucking pit-pony AS WELL, but honestly it's nothing personal
Here's the evidence
"TYLER KAY WENT TO PRISON AND LOST HIS HOUSE FOR COPYING A POST ON X
Tyler was sentenced to 38 months in prison for copying a post made on X by Lucy Connolly, the wife of a Conservative councilor.
The post read: “Mass deportation now, set fire to all the f*king hotels full of the ba*ards for all I care…If that makes me a racist, so be it.”
Lucy had been arrested for the post, and Tyler was trying to prove that he wouldn’t be arrested.
He made this clear in a reply to his post, stating: “My point is more, it’s one rule for some and another rule for others.”
Despite his barrister explaining he was immature, had grown up in care, and would lose his council house as a result of a prison sentence, the judge said he “clearly intended to incite serious violence.”
He then sent Tyler, a father of 3, to prison for 3 years and 2 months.
i believe the arrest and conviction was correct. Even copying an incendiary tweet to make a point is extremely foolish during a time of tiots. But 3 years 2 months in jail?
The authoritarian state has gone mad
I wonder why you don't link to the actual article in the Northampton Chronicle so people can judge for themselves:
'He tweeted his support for wife of West Northamptonshire councillor Ray Connolly, Lucy Connolly, who allegedly posted hateful messages earlier this week. This is the subject of an ongoing police investigation. He admitted copying and pasting the message that she had been arrested for and posting it himself on X.
His message said: “Mass deportation now, set fire to all the f****** hotels full of the b****** for all I care… If that makes me racist, so be it.”
The father-of-three used his own name and profile picture, openly talked to people about where he lived and said during an attack he would use ‘gloves, no car either so no number plate to trace, and a change of clothes ready nearby,’ adding that he ‘watched enough CSI programmes’.
He gave other people advice on ‘staying anon’ and said he would ‘categorically not be arrested’ by Northants Police, before actually tagging the force in one of his tweets.
He used the hashtags #standwithlucyconnolly, #farageriots, #riotsuk and #f***northamptonshirepolice
People on his X account even warned him he would be jailed and he said ‘For what? Sharing a screenshot? You’re delusional buddy’.
The 26-year-old also reposted a screenshot of another message inciting action against a named immigration solicitors in Northampton – the site of Wednesday’s planned disorder – with the message ‘Let’s go!!!’ Other posts attributable to him showed a desire to be involved in organised protests in the town.
...
Kay was previously convicted in 2020 after he stole an iphone worth £1,046 from his employer Albion Computers. He was given a community order but failed to comply with it.'
At least you seem to be coming round to slowly admitting that Darkage's description of the case was not accurate, or at least I think you are, so some progress - well done!
I SAID his entire tweet sequence was idiotic, at this time. I SAID he deserved to be arrested, and convicted, and jailed
I also said he does not deserve to have his life ruined and his home taken away, for some damn stupid tweets
It seems a bit heavy to me too. Probably better to have not entered a plea, and got off with a shorter sentence at a trial in a few months time when things are less febrile, and a commitment to not go on Social Media in the meantime.
But as the adage goes: "don't do the crime if you can't do the time."
Just got back online after a weekend without internet. Wow. As far as the riots go, it seems to me unquestionable that Sir Keir has played a blinder. The man will reign supreme over the issue of law and order for the foreseeable future. As for the British Right - they (Farage in particular) have got themselves into a right old pickle. Not sure where they go from here.
Except that we've not had any VI polling. But we have seen SKS's personal rating plummeting. So there’s that.
But yeh, apart from actual facts, yep, legendary crisis management.
On a tangential note, it is great to see Charles maturing into his Kingship and failing to take the same overtly political line on the riots that SKS has taken. Given his instincts politically, it must have been tempting, but he's kept his nose clean. He must be getting good advice from somewhere.
I too think that Starmer has played a blinder in response to the riots. They're now utterly quashed and the rioters are getting their just deserts in a hardline response. There is as yet no up to date polling to back up whether my view is shared, but I'll back my judgement in the meantime. What polling there was on Starmer's favourability was more general and was also taken at a point when the riots appeared briefly out of control, so it is likely to be positively misleading on the question of how the government handled the riots specifically.
Unsurprisingly the state saw off this challenge to its authority. However hubris has set in. There is one case where a judge has remanded someone for just being present at the scene of some disorder, another where someone got a 2 year sentence for 'gesticulating' at the police. There is various other stuff, like one where a guy in the midlands went on an ill advised monologue about free speech on Twitter, in doing so retweeting another dodgy tweet, and ended up with 38 months in jail, he has 3 kids and grew up in care etc, they are losing their council house.
For the government to maintain the plausibility of the narrative that this is 'the justice system running its course without fear or favour', instances like the above need to be rapidly corrected. At the moment they are being used by Musk etc as evidence in support of their view of the situation. They also risk unnerving their 'left liberal' support base if they carry on with things like the above.
That's genuinely despicable about the Twitter man; I didn't know that. I don't know how anybody with a moral compass could support that.
Is this the man?
'He tweeted on Wednesday: "Mass deportations now, set fire to all the f***ing hotels full of the b******s for all I care... If that makes me racist, so be it". '
If so, Darkage' s description of the case doesn't seem accurate
That is a quote tweet (of a tweet by the councillor's wife), and it was part of a sequence of tweets where he actually tagged the police, because he was trying to prove a political point
In the circs, even quote-tweeting was foolish, but the intent was not to foment trouble, it was to query police tactics
For that he has got more than three years in jail, and he's lost his home
A few weeks cooling down in chokey would have been sufficient. Three years??
There's a picture of the actual tweet in the news story I linked to above, I don't how to do pictures here, so maybe someone can post it so people can judge for themselves.
As for tagging the police the only sign of that I can see is that in the list of hashtags under the tweet it has #f***northamptonshirepolice
If you are right then please provide a source, please don't take this the wrong way, but experience has taught me that you are often full of shit
Likewise, I find you consitently full of shit, rancid with hypocrisy, also myopic, ludicrous, and idiotic, and dumb as a fucking pit-pony AS WELL, but honestly it's nothing personal
Here's the evidence
"TYLER KAY WENT TO PRISON AND LOST HIS HOUSE FOR COPYING A POST ON X
Tyler was sentenced to 38 months in prison for copying a post made on X by Lucy Connolly, the wife of a Conservative councilor.
The post read: “Mass deportation now, set fire to all the f*king hotels full of the ba*ards for all I care…If that makes me a racist, so be it.”
Lucy had been arrested for the post, and Tyler was trying to prove that he wouldn’t be arrested.
He made this clear in a reply to his post, stating: “My point is more, it’s one rule for some and another rule for others.”
Despite his barrister explaining he was immature, had grown up in care, and would lose his council house as a result of a prison sentence, the judge said he “clearly intended to incite serious violence.”
He then sent Tyler, a father of 3, to prison for 3 years and 2 months.
i believe the arrest and conviction was correct. Even copying an incendiary tweet to make a point is extremely foolish during a time of tiots. But 3 years 2 months in jail?
The authoritarian state has gone mad
Starmer has passed no new laws or sentencing rules, so these wronguns (who have all pleaded guilty) are being punished under the same rules as the last decade of Tory Home Secretary's.
People don't get to incite violence for free just because it is on Social Media. Even people who claim very high IQs.
"Starmer leaned really heavily on the justice system"
The Times, two days ago (£££)
No one knows the system better. He did the same for the Duggan riots.
Just got back online after a weekend without internet. Wow. As far as the riots go, it seems to me unquestionable that Sir Keir has played a blinder. The man will reign supreme over the issue of law and order for the foreseeable future. As for the British Right - they (Farage in particular) have got themselves into a right old pickle. Not sure where they go from here.
Except that we've not had any VI polling. But we have seen SKS's personal rating plummeting. So there’s that.
But yeh, apart from actual facts, yep, legendary crisis management.
On a tangential note, it is great to see Charles maturing into his Kingship and failing to take the same overtly political line on the riots that SKS has taken. Given his instincts politically, it must have been tempting, but he's kept his nose clean. He must be getting good advice from somewhere.
I too think that Starmer has played a blinder in response to the riots. They're now utterly quashed and the rioters are getting their just deserts in a hardline response. There is as yet no up to date polling to back up whether my view is shared, but I'll back my judgement in the meantime. What polling there was on Starmer's favourability was more general and was also taken at a point when the riots appeared briefly out of control, so it is likely to be positively misleading on the question of how the government handled the riots specifically.
Unsurprisingly the state saw off this challenge to its authority. However hubris has set in. There is one case where a judge has remanded someone for just being present at the scene of some disorder, another where someone got a 2 year sentence for 'gesticulating' at the police. There is various other stuff, like one where a guy in the midlands went on an ill advised monologue about free speech on Twitter, in doing so retweeting another dodgy tweet, and ended up with 38 months in jail, he has 3 kids and grew up in care etc, they are losing their council house.
For the government to maintain the plausibility of the narrative that this is 'the justice system running its course without fear or favour', instances like the above need to be rapidly corrected. At the moment they are being used by Musk etc as evidence in support of their view of the situation. They also risk unnerving their 'left liberal' support base if they carry on with things like the above.
That's genuinely despicable about the Twitter man; I didn't know that. I don't know how anybody with a moral compass could support that.
Is this the man?
'He tweeted on Wednesday: "Mass deportations now, set fire to all the f***ing hotels full of the b******s for all I care... If that makes me racist, so be it". '
If so, Darkage' s description of the case doesn't seem accurate
That is a quote tweet (of a tweet by the councillor's wife), and it was part of a sequence of tweets where he actually tagged the police, because he was trying to prove a political point
In the circs, even quote-tweeting was foolish, but the intent was not to foment trouble, it was to query police tactics
For that he has got more than three years in jail, and he's lost his home
A few weeks cooling down in chokey would have been sufficient. Three years??
There's a picture of the actual tweet in the news story I linked to above, I don't how to do pictures here, so maybe someone can post it so people can judge for themselves.
As for tagging the police the only sign of that I can see is that in the list of hashtags under the tweet it has #f***northamptonshirepolice
If you are right then please provide a source, please don't take this the wrong way, but experience has taught me that you are often full of shit
Likewise, I find you consitently full of shit, rancid with hypocrisy, also myopic, ludicrous, and idiotic, and dumb as a fucking pit-pony AS WELL, but honestly it's nothing personal
Here's the evidence
"TYLER KAY WENT TO PRISON AND LOST HIS HOUSE FOR COPYING A POST ON X
Tyler was sentenced to 38 months in prison for copying a post made on X by Lucy Connolly, the wife of a Conservative councilor.
The post read: “Mass deportation now, set fire to all the f*king hotels full of the ba*ards for all I care…If that makes me a racist, so be it.”
Lucy had been arrested for the post, and Tyler was trying to prove that he wouldn’t be arrested.
He made this clear in a reply to his post, stating: “My point is more, it’s one rule for some and another rule for others.”
Despite his barrister explaining he was immature, had grown up in care, and would lose his council house as a result of a prison sentence, the judge said he “clearly intended to incite serious violence.”
He then sent Tyler, a father of 3, to prison for 3 years and 2 months.
i believe the arrest and conviction was correct. Even copying an incendiary tweet to make a point is extremely foolish during a time of tiots. But 3 years 2 months in jail?
The authoritarian state has gone mad
Given that he was only jailed on Friday how come he has already lost his home?
I mean it's incredibly likely to occur that he will lose his home (mainly because he won't be in it for 18 months and won't be paying the bills) but he hasn't lost it yet.
Edit - I'm also not sure about his “My point is more, it’s one rule for some and another rule for others.”
As the people I expect he is talking about (Farage and co) were a bit cleverer in what they actually wrote..
I agree on your second point. The whole tweet sequence was idiotic and, in this troubled time, the coppers were right to arrest him, and the court to convict him. But a few weeks in jail is surely sufficient. Not three years two months, which is enough to ruin his life and deprive him of a home. And he has three young kids
Here are the sentencing remarks for Tyler Kay. He also gave public advice about how to take part with his view of how to avoid arrest (false number plates, gloves etc).
It's 19 months in prison and 19 months on license. He only got a 20% not 33% reduction on the basic 4 year sentence due to guilty plea since it was not at the first opportunity.
I'm not sure what that sentence would be relating to an individual or several people rather than a riot situation.
I was correct, his housing is Council Housing, so of course he will lose it if just him - they won't keep it empty for a crim for 19 months. Not sure about whether he lived with his family, in which case it may be different depending who holds the tenancy.
No mention that GB is down eight on gold medals and has fallen three places in the medal table.
As our Sunil demonstrated a while back, there is more than one plausible way to compile a medal table.
The classic way is to list by golds first, and use silver and bronze as tie-breakers. The US tends however to do it by total medals. That usually enhances their position (and ours too).
Another way is to award points per medal - e.g. Gold 5, Silver 3, Bronze 1. Sunil did this and again it flattered us and the US. You can sod about with the ratios too, in which case you might well want to allocate relatively more for golds, because they really are a lot more valuable than silver and bronze.
A more controversial method would be to allocate more weight to the high status events. Most people accept that Track and Field is the centrepiece of the games, so medals there could be scored higher, with maybe a bonus for blue riband events like the 100m sprint, 1500m and marathon. Swimming, cycling and rowing would be in the mid-range. You could deduct points for winning the breakdancing.
How do like it so far?
Personally I think it was a highly successful games - for Paris, for France, and for the GB team.
Just got back online after a weekend without internet. Wow. As far as the riots go, it seems to me unquestionable that Sir Keir has played a blinder. The man will reign supreme over the issue of law and order for the foreseeable future. As for the British Right - they (Farage in particular) have got themselves into a right old pickle. Not sure where they go from here.
Except that we've not had any VI polling. But we have seen SKS's personal rating plummeting. So there’s that.
But yeh, apart from actual facts, yep, legendary crisis management.
On a tangential note, it is great to see Charles maturing into his Kingship and failing to take the same overtly political line on the riots that SKS has taken. Given his instincts politically, it must have been tempting, but he's kept his nose clean. He must be getting good advice from somewhere.
I too think that Starmer has played a blinder in response to the riots. They're now utterly quashed and the rioters are getting their just deserts in a hardline response. There is as yet no up to date polling to back up whether my view is shared, but I'll back my judgement in the meantime. What polling there was on Starmer's favourability was more general and was also taken at a point when the riots appeared briefly out of control, so it is likely to be positively misleading on the question of how the government handled the riots specifically.
Unsurprisingly the state saw off this challenge to its authority. However hubris has set in. There is one case where a judge has remanded someone for just being present at the scene of some disorder, another where someone got a 2 year sentence for 'gesticulating' at the police. There is various other stuff, like one where a guy in the midlands went on an ill advised monologue about free speech on Twitter, in doing so retweeting another dodgy tweet, and ended up with 38 months in jail, he has 3 kids and grew up in care etc, they are losing their council house.
For the government to maintain the plausibility of the narrative that this is 'the justice system running its course without fear or favour', instances like the above need to be rapidly corrected. At the moment they are being used by Musk etc as evidence in support of their view of the situation. They also risk unnerving their 'left liberal' support base if they carry on with things like the above.
That's genuinely despicable about the Twitter man; I didn't know that. I don't know how anybody with a moral compass could support that.
Is this the man?
'He tweeted on Wednesday: "Mass deportations now, set fire to all the f***ing hotels full of the b******s for all I care... If that makes me racist, so be it". '
If so, Darkage' s description of the case doesn't seem accurate
That is a quote tweet (of a tweet by the councillor's wife), and it was part of a sequence of tweets where he actually tagged the police, because he was trying to prove a political point
In the circs, even quote-tweeting was foolish, but the intent was not to foment trouble, it was to query police tactics
For that he has got more than three years in jail, and he's lost his home
A few weeks cooling down in chokey would have been sufficient. Three years??
There's a picture of the actual tweet in the news story I linked to above, I don't how to do pictures here, so maybe someone can post it so people can judge for themselves.
As for tagging the police the only sign of that I can see is that in the list of hashtags under the tweet it has #f***northamptonshirepolice
If you are right then please provide a source, please don't take this the wrong way, but experience has taught me that you are often full of shit
Likewise, I find you consitently full of shit, rancid with hypocrisy, also myopic, ludicrous, and idiotic, and dumb as a fucking pit-pony AS WELL, but honestly it's nothing personal
Here's the evidence
"TYLER KAY WENT TO PRISON AND LOST HIS HOUSE FOR COPYING A POST ON X
Tyler was sentenced to 38 months in prison for copying a post made on X by Lucy Connolly, the wife of a Conservative councilor.
The post read: “Mass deportation now, set fire to all the f*king hotels full of the ba*ards for all I care…If that makes me a racist, so be it.”
Lucy had been arrested for the post, and Tyler was trying to prove that he wouldn’t be arrested.
He made this clear in a reply to his post, stating: “My point is more, it’s one rule for some and another rule for others.”
Despite his barrister explaining he was immature, had grown up in care, and would lose his council house as a result of a prison sentence, the judge said he “clearly intended to incite serious violence.”
He then sent Tyler, a father of 3, to prison for 3 years and 2 months.
i believe the arrest and conviction was correct. Even copying an incendiary tweet to make a point is extremely foolish during a time of tiots. But 3 years 2 months in jail?
The authoritarian state has gone mad
Given that he was only jailed on Friday how come he has already lost his home?
I mean it's incredibly likely to occur that he will lose his home (mainly because he won't be in it for 18 months and won't be paying the bills) but he hasn't lost it yet.
Edit - I'm also not sure about his “My point is more, it’s one rule for some and another rule for others.”
As the people I expect he is talking about (Farage and co) were a bit cleverer in what they actually wrote..
If it’s a racing certainty I think it’s legitimate to say it as if it has already happened.
On the home loss, there are quire draconian regulations for expulsion from Social Housing in these circs, and I think under far more mild ASB, that can be applied to the family as well as the individual.
But Nawful who that tweet comes from is a mini-me aspiring Elon Musk following type American-based character, with very questionable business practices and a lot of self-puffery.
So take with a mine of salt without a reliable source.
Granted the father has been kicked out but mum and children still need to be housed somewhere - I just don't see the crime committed being 1 that resulted in the family being kicked out....
I'm not sure if they all live together, but if for example (and you may know more) the person with the right to the tenancy loses it, and the not-married partner does not have tenancy rights, then they are left evaluating that vs the next person on the waiting list who *does* have rights.
Just got back online after a weekend without internet. Wow. As far as the riots go, it seems to me unquestionable that Sir Keir has played a blinder. The man will reign supreme over the issue of law and order for the foreseeable future. As for the British Right - they (Farage in particular) have got themselves into a right old pickle. Not sure where they go from here.
Except that we've not had any VI polling. But we have seen SKS's personal rating plummeting. So there’s that.
But yeh, apart from actual facts, yep, legendary crisis management.
On a tangential note, it is great to see Charles maturing into his Kingship and failing to take the same overtly political line on the riots that SKS has taken. Given his instincts politically, it must have been tempting, but he's kept his nose clean. He must be getting good advice from somewhere.
I too think that Starmer has played a blinder in response to the riots. They're now utterly quashed and the rioters are getting their just deserts in a hardline response. There is as yet no up to date polling to back up whether my view is shared, but I'll back my judgement in the meantime. What polling there was on Starmer's favourability was more general and was also taken at a point when the riots appeared briefly out of control, so it is likely to be positively misleading on the question of how the government handled the riots specifically.
Unsurprisingly the state saw off this challenge to its authority. However hubris has set in. There is one case where a judge has remanded someone for just being present at the scene of some disorder, another where someone got a 2 year sentence for 'gesticulating' at the police. There is various other stuff, like one where a guy in the midlands went on an ill advised monologue about free speech on Twitter, in doing so retweeting another dodgy tweet, and ended up with 38 months in jail, he has 3 kids and grew up in care etc, they are losing their council house.
For the government to maintain the plausibility of the narrative that this is 'the justice system running its course without fear or favour', instances like the above need to be rapidly corrected. At the moment they are being used by Musk etc as evidence in support of their view of the situation. They also risk unnerving their 'left liberal' support base if they carry on with things like the above.
That's genuinely despicable about the Twitter man; I didn't know that. I don't know how anybody with a moral compass could support that.
Is this the man?
'He tweeted on Wednesday: "Mass deportations now, set fire to all the f***ing hotels full of the b******s for all I care... If that makes me racist, so be it". '
If so, Darkage' s description of the case doesn't seem accurate
That is a quote tweet (of a tweet by the councillor's wife), and it was part of a sequence of tweets where he actually tagged the police, because he was trying to prove a political point
In the circs, even quote-tweeting was foolish, but the intent was not to foment trouble, it was to query police tactics
For that he has got more than three years in jail, and he's lost his home
A few weeks cooling down in chokey would have been sufficient. Three years??
There's a picture of the actual tweet in the news story I linked to above, I don't how to do pictures here, so maybe someone can post it so people can judge for themselves.
As for tagging the police the only sign of that I can see is that in the list of hashtags under the tweet it has #f***northamptonshirepolice
If you are right then please provide a source, please don't take this the wrong way, but experience has taught me that you are often full of shit
Likewise, I find you consitently full of shit, rancid with hypocrisy, also myopic, ludicrous, and idiotic, and dumb as a fucking pit-pony AS WELL, but honestly it's nothing personal
Here's the evidence
"TYLER KAY WENT TO PRISON AND LOST HIS HOUSE FOR COPYING A POST ON X
Tyler was sentenced to 38 months in prison for copying a post made on X by Lucy Connolly, the wife of a Conservative councilor.
The post read: “Mass deportation now, set fire to all the f*king hotels full of the ba*ards for all I care…If that makes me a racist, so be it.”
Lucy had been arrested for the post, and Tyler was trying to prove that he wouldn’t be arrested.
He made this clear in a reply to his post, stating: “My point is more, it’s one rule for some and another rule for others.”
Despite his barrister explaining he was immature, had grown up in care, and would lose his council house as a result of a prison sentence, the judge said he “clearly intended to incite serious violence.”
He then sent Tyler, a father of 3, to prison for 3 years and 2 months.
i believe the arrest and conviction was correct. Even copying an incendiary tweet to make a point is extremely foolish during a time of tiots. But 3 years 2 months in jail?
The authoritarian state has gone mad
Given that he was only jailed on Friday how come he has already lost his home?
I mean it's incredibly likely to occur that he will lose his home (mainly because he won't be in it for 18 months and won't be paying the bills) but he hasn't lost it yet.
Edit - I'm also not sure about his “My point is more, it’s one rule for some and another rule for others.”
As the people I expect he is talking about (Farage and co) were a bit cleverer in what they actually wrote..
If it’s a racing certainty I think it’s legitimate to say it as if it has already happened.
On the home loss, there are quire draconian regulations for expulsion from Social Housing in these circs, and I think under far more mild ASB, that can be applied to the family as well as the individual.
But Nawful who that tweet comes from is a mini-me aspiring Elon Musk following type American-based character, with very questionable business practices and a lot of self-puffery.
So take with a mine of salt without a reliable source.
Granted the father has been kicked out but mum and children still need to be housed somewhere - I just don't see the crime committed being 1 that resulted in the family being kicked out....
I'm not sure if they all live together, but if for example (and you may know more) the person with the right to the tenancy loses it, and the not-married partner does not have tenancy rights, then they are left evaluating that vs the next person on the waiting list who *does* have rights.
Complex.
I think.
I suspect in most cases the tenancy will be with the mum and not the dad....
But we are debating a point made by an American with little evidence as to whether any of it is true...
There are smalll nuclear power stations in many American buildings. As far as I know they do not pose a significant health or safety risk: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoke_detector
The various bits of technology in them appear, to this non-expert, to have been improved greatly, over the years.
Just got back online after a weekend without internet. Wow. As far as the riots go, it seems to me unquestionable that Sir Keir has played a blinder. The man will reign supreme over the issue of law and order for the foreseeable future. As for the British Right - they (Farage in particular) have got themselves into a right old pickle. Not sure where they go from here.
Except that we've not had any VI polling. But we have seen SKS's personal rating plummeting. So there’s that.
But yeh, apart from actual facts, yep, legendary crisis management.
On a tangential note, it is great to see Charles maturing into his Kingship and failing to take the same overtly political line on the riots that SKS has taken. Given his instincts politically, it must have been tempting, but he's kept his nose clean. He must be getting good advice from somewhere.
I too think that Starmer has played a blinder in response to the riots. They're now utterly quashed and the rioters are getting their just deserts in a hardline response. There is as yet no up to date polling to back up whether my view is shared, but I'll back my judgement in the meantime. What polling there was on Starmer's favourability was more general and was also taken at a point when the riots appeared briefly out of control, so it is likely to be positively misleading on the question of how the government handled the riots specifically.
Unsurprisingly the state saw off this challenge to its authority. However hubris has set in. There is one case where a judge has remanded someone for just being present at the scene of some disorder, another where someone got a 2 year sentence for 'gesticulating' at the police. There is various other stuff, like one where a guy in the midlands went on an ill advised monologue about free speech on Twitter, in doing so retweeting another dodgy tweet, and ended up with 38 months in jail, he has 3 kids and grew up in care etc, they are losing their council house.
For the government to maintain the plausibility of the narrative that this is 'the justice system running its course without fear or favour', instances like the above need to be rapidly corrected. At the moment they are being used by Musk etc as evidence in support of their view of the situation. They also risk unnerving their 'left liberal' support base if they carry on with things like the above.
That's genuinely despicable about the Twitter man; I didn't know that. I don't know how anybody with a moral compass could support that.
Is this the man?
'He tweeted on Wednesday: "Mass deportations now, set fire to all the f***ing hotels full of the b******s for all I care... If that makes me racist, so be it". '
If so, Darkage' s description of the case doesn't seem accurate
That is a quote tweet (of a tweet by the councillor's wife), and it was part of a sequence of tweets where he actually tagged the police, because he was trying to prove a political point
In the circs, even quote-tweeting was foolish, but the intent was not to foment trouble, it was to query police tactics
For that he has got more than three years in jail, and he's lost his home
A few weeks cooling down in chokey would have been sufficient. Three years??
There's a picture of the actual tweet in the news story I linked to above, I don't how to do pictures here, so maybe someone can post it so people can judge for themselves.
As for tagging the police the only sign of that I can see is that in the list of hashtags under the tweet it has #f***northamptonshirepolice
If you are right then please provide a source, please don't take this the wrong way, but experience has taught me that you are often full of shit
Likewise, I find you consitently full of shit, rancid with hypocrisy, also myopic, ludicrous, and idiotic, and dumb as a fucking pit-pony AS WELL, but honestly it's nothing personal
Here's the evidence
"TYLER KAY WENT TO PRISON AND LOST HIS HOUSE FOR COPYING A POST ON X
Tyler was sentenced to 38 months in prison for copying a post made on X by Lucy Connolly, the wife of a Conservative councilor.
The post read: “Mass deportation now, set fire to all the f*king hotels full of the ba*ards for all I care…If that makes me a racist, so be it.”
Lucy had been arrested for the post, and Tyler was trying to prove that he wouldn’t be arrested.
He made this clear in a reply to his post, stating: “My point is more, it’s one rule for some and another rule for others.”
Despite his barrister explaining he was immature, had grown up in care, and would lose his council house as a result of a prison sentence, the judge said he “clearly intended to incite serious violence.”
He then sent Tyler, a father of 3, to prison for 3 years and 2 months.
i believe the arrest and conviction was correct. Even copying an incendiary tweet to make a point is extremely foolish during a time of tiots. But 3 years 2 months in jail?
The authoritarian state has gone mad
I wonder why you don't link to the actual article in the Northampton Chronicle so people can judge for themselves:
'He tweeted his support for wife of West Northamptonshire councillor Ray Connolly, Lucy Connolly, who allegedly posted hateful messages earlier this week. This is the subject of an ongoing police investigation. He admitted copying and pasting the message that she had been arrested for and posting it himself on X.
His message said: “Mass deportation now, set fire to all the f****** hotels full of the b****** for all I care… If that makes me racist, so be it.”
The father-of-three used his own name and profile picture, openly talked to people about where he lived and said during an attack he would use ‘gloves, no car either so no number plate to trace, and a change of clothes ready nearby,’ adding that he ‘watched enough CSI programmes’.
He gave other people advice on ‘staying anon’ and said he would ‘categorically not be arrested’ by Northants Police, before actually tagging the force in one of his tweets.
He used the hashtags #standwithlucyconnolly, #farageriots, #riotsuk and #f***northamptonshirepolice
People on his X account even warned him he would be jailed and he said ‘For what? Sharing a screenshot? You’re delusional buddy’.
The 26-year-old also reposted a screenshot of another message inciting action against a named immigration solicitors in Northampton – the site of Wednesday’s planned disorder – with the message ‘Let’s go!!!’ Other posts attributable to him showed a desire to be involved in organised protests in the town.
...
Kay was previously convicted in 2020 after he stole an iphone worth £1,046 from his employer Albion Computers. He was given a community order but failed to comply with it.'
At least you seem to be coming round to slowly admitting that Darkage's description of the case was not accurate, or at least I think you are, so some progress - well done!
I SAID his entire tweet sequence was idiotic, at this time. I SAID he deserved to be arrested, and convicted, and jailed
I also said he does not deserve to have his life ruined and his home taken away, for some damn stupid tweets
Plus a previous criminal record.
FWIW, I agree that quick arrest and sentencing, combined with somewhat more lenient sentences, would have been the optimum solution to the serious unrest, but the courts are working within fairly tight existing sentencing guidelines, not just making it up as they go along.
If you're in favour generally of shorter sentencing, then I agree with you.
Just got back online after a weekend without internet. Wow. As far as the riots go, it seems to me unquestionable that Sir Keir has played a blinder. The man will reign supreme over the issue of law and order for the foreseeable future. As for the British Right - they (Farage in particular) have got themselves into a right old pickle. Not sure where they go from here.
Except that we've not had any VI polling. But we have seen SKS's personal rating plummeting. So there’s that.
But yeh, apart from actual facts, yep, legendary crisis management.
On a tangential note, it is great to see Charles maturing into his Kingship and failing to take the same overtly political line on the riots that SKS has taken. Given his instincts politically, it must have been tempting, but he's kept his nose clean. He must be getting good advice from somewhere.
I too think that Starmer has played a blinder in response to the riots. They're now utterly quashed and the rioters are getting their just deserts in a hardline response. There is as yet no up to date polling to back up whether my view is shared, but I'll back my judgement in the meantime. What polling there was on Starmer's favourability was more general and was also taken at a point when the riots appeared briefly out of control, so it is likely to be positively misleading on the question of how the government handled the riots specifically.
Unsurprisingly the state saw off this challenge to its authority. However hubris has set in. There is one case where a judge has remanded someone for just being present at the scene of some disorder, another where someone got a 2 year sentence for 'gesticulating' at the police. There is various other stuff, like one where a guy in the midlands went on an ill advised monologue about free speech on Twitter, in doing so retweeting another dodgy tweet, and ended up with 38 months in jail, he has 3 kids and grew up in care etc, they are losing their council house.
For the government to maintain the plausibility of the narrative that this is 'the justice system running its course without fear or favour', instances like the above need to be rapidly corrected. At the moment they are being used by Musk etc as evidence in support of their view of the situation. They also risk unnerving their 'left liberal' support base if they carry on with things like the above.
That's genuinely despicable about the Twitter man; I didn't know that. I don't know how anybody with a moral compass could support that.
Is this the man?
'He tweeted on Wednesday: "Mass deportations now, set fire to all the f***ing hotels full of the b******s for all I care... If that makes me racist, so be it". '
If so, Darkage' s description of the case doesn't seem accurate
That is a quote tweet (of a tweet by the councillor's wife), and it was part of a sequence of tweets where he actually tagged the police, because he was trying to prove a political point
In the circs, even quote-tweeting was foolish, but the intent was not to foment trouble, it was to query police tactics
For that he has got more than three years in jail, and he's lost his home
A few weeks cooling down in chokey would have been sufficient. Three years??
There's a picture of the actual tweet in the news story I linked to above, I don't how to do pictures here, so maybe someone can post it so people can judge for themselves.
As for tagging the police the only sign of that I can see is that in the list of hashtags under the tweet it has #f***northamptonshirepolice
If you are right then please provide a source, please don't take this the wrong way, but experience has taught me that you are often full of shit
Likewise, I find you consitently full of shit, rancid with hypocrisy, also myopic, ludicrous, and idiotic, and dumb as a fucking pit-pony AS WELL, but honestly it's nothing personal
Here's the evidence
"TYLER KAY WENT TO PRISON AND LOST HIS HOUSE FOR COPYING A POST ON X
Tyler was sentenced to 38 months in prison for copying a post made on X by Lucy Connolly, the wife of a Conservative councilor.
The post read: “Mass deportation now, set fire to all the f*king hotels full of the ba*ards for all I care…If that makes me a racist, so be it.”
Lucy had been arrested for the post, and Tyler was trying to prove that he wouldn’t be arrested.
He made this clear in a reply to his post, stating: “My point is more, it’s one rule for some and another rule for others.”
Despite his barrister explaining he was immature, had grown up in care, and would lose his council house as a result of a prison sentence, the judge said he “clearly intended to incite serious violence.”
He then sent Tyler, a father of 3, to prison for 3 years and 2 months.
i believe the arrest and conviction was correct. Even copying an incendiary tweet to make a point is extremely foolish during a time of tiots. But 3 years 2 months in jail?
The authoritarian state has gone mad
I wonder why you don't link to the actual article in the Northampton Chronicle so people can judge for themselves:
'He tweeted his support for wife of West Northamptonshire councillor Ray Connolly, Lucy Connolly, who allegedly posted hateful messages earlier this week. This is the subject of an ongoing police investigation. He admitted copying and pasting the message that she had been arrested for and posting it himself on X.
His message said: “Mass deportation now, set fire to all the f****** hotels full of the b****** for all I care… If that makes me racist, so be it.”
The father-of-three used his own name and profile picture, openly talked to people about where he lived and said during an attack he would use ‘gloves, no car either so no number plate to trace, and a change of clothes ready nearby,’ adding that he ‘watched enough CSI programmes’.
He gave other people advice on ‘staying anon’ and said he would ‘categorically not be arrested’ by Northants Police, before actually tagging the force in one of his tweets.
He used the hashtags #standwithlucyconnolly, #farageriots, #riotsuk and #f***northamptonshirepolice
People on his X account even warned him he would be jailed and he said ‘For what? Sharing a screenshot? You’re delusional buddy’.
The 26-year-old also reposted a screenshot of another message inciting action against a named immigration solicitors in Northampton – the site of Wednesday’s planned disorder – with the message ‘Let’s go!!!’ Other posts attributable to him showed a desire to be involved in organised protests in the town.
...
Kay was previously convicted in 2020 after he stole an iphone worth £1,046 from his employer Albion Computers. He was given a community order but failed to comply with it.'
At least you seem to be coming round to slowly admitting that Darkage's description of the case was not accurate, or at least I think you are, so some progress - well done!
I SAID his entire tweet sequence was idiotic, at this time. I SAID he deserved to be arrested, and convicted, and jailed
I also said he does not deserve to have his life ruined and his home taken away, for some damn stupid tweets
Plus a previous criminal record.
FWIW, I agree that quick arrest and sentencing, combined with somewhat more lenient sentences, would have been the optimum solution to the serious unrest, but the courts are working within fairly tight existing sentencing guidelines, not just making it up as they go along.
If you're in favour generally of shorter sentencing, then I agree with you.
I don't see why Starter is getting either the credit or the blame for the sentences. Surely they are the consequence of laws passed before his government came into office.
There are smalll nuclear power stations in many American buildings. As far as I know they do not pose a significant health or safety risk: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoke_detector
The various bits of technology in them appear, to this non-expert, to have been improved greatly, over the years.
Americium (atomic number 95), a radioactive metal three elements away from Uranium (Atomic number 92).
There are smalll nuclear power stations in many American buildings. As far as I know they do not pose a significant health or safety risk: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoke_detector
The various bits of technology in them appear, to this non-expert, to have been improved greatly, over the years.
Americium (atomic number 95), a radioactive metal three elements away from Uranium (Atomic number 92).
I had drinks tonight with an old lefty friend. Firmly Labour, and always has been
He was notably reluctant to defend Starmer. He was unaware of the varied discourse over the riots, so that wasn't a fact (he thought it was just football hoons having a go). Yet, still notably dispirited. He had no idea how Labour might make things better and no confidence they will, and admitted as much
That's quite striking, and he can be quite forceful if he really believes something. eg he was an impassioned Remainer
There is no enthusiasm behind Starmer. even his alleged supporters don't like him. The Tories, if they are clever, can sweep this putrid government away in one term
Shape up. Tories!
Do we expect the next set of local elections to be a GE hangover, and therefore bad for the tories, or the first green shoots of a recovery? Overall the tories kept hold of a surprising number of council seats over their years in national governent - many more than Labour did 1997-2010 for comparison.
I seriously believe the Tories can undo this pathetic Woke Labour government in one term. Starmer only got 33.7% on a shit turnout, this can be overturned in moments, and Starmer is a clueless nasal-voiced Woke twat like all his Cabinet, he won't fix anything, he will make most things worse
But the Tories need a really good leader, able to harness Reform voters yet stay centre right, and unfortunately I cannot see who that is - yet
I don't think that's necessarily true. If Labour f*ck up badly enough it won't matter much who the Conservative leader is or what they say. As you say, Starmer is a dismal politician with no judgement, vision or charisma but still trounced an exhausted, discredited government while Corbyn got within a couple of points of Theresa May. Obviously a decent leader helps, but if the government is dismal enough, people will give the opposition a shot.
Labour don't actually have to get any less populqr. They are already very unpopular for a government. They got less votes than Corbyn did in 2019.
They won solely because the tory vote collapsed. That is the only reason. If there is an even vaguely credible tory or other party challenging them next time they will get wiped out.
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No.
Find different answers to the question. Trumpism came about through some social and structural issues in the US. Biden attempted to answer those problems with actual, sensible solutions.
I can find no evidence of release at 25% of prison sentence so can I have a citation/link..
But Nawful who that tweet comes from is a mini-me aspiring Elon Musk following type American-based character, with very questionable business practices and a lot of self-puffery.
So take with a mine of salt without a reliable source.
https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/mario-nawfal-twitter-elon-musk-rise-allegations-rcna92132
Of course I could have tried to get a HMO licence and seen how many students etc I could cram into it ...!
I also said he does not deserve to have his life ruined and his home taken away, for some damn stupid tweets
The Review was an audit of what the EU does, and how it affects government and the general public in the UK. This piece of work "will deepen our understanding of EU membership, and help shape the UK’s policies in relation to the EU".
It was launched in 2012 and the set of reports were published in December 2014, but without a single summary final report.
By which time, Farage had made hay.
But Spam fritters - utterly Proustian seeing that mention.
So it is closer to 12 months prison time.
So it will be 180 days/6months before the half way point.
Offenders serving determinate sentences of 12 weeks or more, with certain exceptions for violent and sexual offenders, may also be eligible for release on a home detention curfew (HDC). This allows an offender to be released up to 180 days before their automatic release date. The offender will be electronically tagged and a curfew imposed. If the offender breaches the curfew they can be recalled to prison.
The interesting question is why the GOP primary voters were so intent on Trump being their candidate.
My theory is that having bought into the 'stolen election' meme they felt obligated to support Trump again.
The sentence is 38 months, halfway is 19 months - 180 days = 13 months+ a tiny bit.
Early Release afaics is the programme to let people out of prison at 40% to reduce the prison population.
The 50% is I think how long judges have been telling rioters etc they will be inside before being released on licence. I think that is normal practice.
The BOC will be pleased. They set a target of 50-70 medals, so we were at the upper end of expectations. Betfair put the over/under line for golds at 16, so we were just a couple short. Sporting set the medal spread at 64.5/66.5 so that was bang on, and of course the spread tends to protect the high side so a final tally of 65 can be taken as a bit over par.
I can remember many events where we narrowly won or lost medals, but only one where we had the clear favorite but came up with zilch (womens pole vault). Considering the number of events and athletes involved, that's not bad at all.
Most pleasing is the number of sports in which we are competitive. Few other countries can match us in that respect. It speaks well of the state of sport in the country as a whole.
He was directing people to a location where disorder was due and he was telling people how to evade detection/capture.
Let's be honest, you're just worried your drunken late night racist rantings are going to see you back in prison.
That should be the case with houses, infrastructure, factories and everything else too.
If you don't own the land, mind your own curtain twitching business.
It is clear, however that he has a cult like following among a large number of Americans.
These people have completely taken over the GOP and utterly dominate the primary process. Therefore there was little to stop them elevating their cult leader.
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GB end Paris 2024 with 65 medals to top Tokyo total
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/olympics/articles/c33ndrk1e0lo
No mention that GB is down eight on gold medals and has fallen three places in the medal table.
Shouting “fire” when a panic has already caused injuries and great damage is not just about the word “fire”. It’s about the further injuries, damage and even death that may result.
People don't get to incite violence for free just because it is on Social Media. Even people who claim very high IQs.
As a critic of stupid processes, I would say that the sentencing guidelines documents should get at least a B+, maybe an A-
The Times, two days ago (£££)
Sadly that does not seem to extend to domestic burglary, shoplifting or any other number of crimes that blight some communities but does not impact on the political class.
But as the adage goes: "don't do the crime if you can't do the time."
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It's 19 months in prison and 19 months on license. He only got a 20% not 33% reduction on the basic 4 year sentence due to guilty plea since it was not at the first opportunity.
I'm not sure what that sentence would be relating to an individual or several people rather than a riot situation.
I was correct, his housing is Council Housing, so of course he will lose it if just him - they won't keep it empty for a crim for 19 months. Not sure about whether he lived with his family, in which case it may be different depending who holds the tenancy.
https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/R-v-Tyler-Kay-Sentencing-remarks.pdf
2012
Gold 29
Silver 18
Bronze 18
Total 65
2024
Gold 14
Silver 22
Bronze 29
Total 65
Change in gold medals:
Cycling -6
Athletics -3
Boxing -3
Canoeing -2
Equestrian -1
Rowing -1
Tennis -1
Taekwondo -1
Gymnastics +1
Sports Climbing +1
Swimming +1
Its arguable that the 2012 Olympians had more 'world beaters' - certainly in the cycling which included Wiggins, Hoy and the Kennys.
The classic way is to list by golds first, and use silver and bronze as tie-breakers. The US tends however to do it by total medals. That usually enhances their position (and ours too).
Another way is to award points per medal - e.g. Gold 5, Silver 3, Bronze 1. Sunil did this and again it flattered us and the US. You can sod about with the ratios too, in which case you might well want to allocate relatively more for golds, because they really are a lot more valuable than silver and bronze.
A more controversial method would be to allocate more weight to the high status events. Most people accept that Track and Field is the centrepiece of the games, so medals there could be scored higher, with maybe a bonus for blue riband events like the 100m sprint, 1500m and marathon. Swimming, cycling and rowing would be in the mid-range. You could deduct points for winning the breakdancing.
How do like it so far?
Personally I think it was a highly successful games - for Paris, for France, and for the GB team.
Complex.
I think.
But we are debating a point made by an American with little evidence as to whether any of it is true...
The various bits of technology in them appear, to this non-expert, to have been improved greatly, over the years.
FWIW, I agree that quick arrest and sentencing, combined with somewhat more lenient sentences, would have been the optimum solution to the serious unrest, but the courts are working within fairly tight existing sentencing guidelines, not just making it up as they go along.
If you're in favour generally of shorter sentencing, then I agree with you.
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https://nitter.poast.org/LeftieStats/status/1821846960560656420#m
They won solely because the tory vote collapsed. That is the only reason. If there is an even vaguely credible tory or other party challenging them next time they will get wiped out.