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  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,620
    edited August 8
    I was right in predicting crossover would take place in August.

    #LegendaryModestyKlaxon
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,656
    Meanwhile

    Home Secretary Yvette Cooper and Chief Whip Alan Campbell ordered Labour MPs not to go to anti-fascist demonstrations.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,623
    Kamala now1.98 and Trump 2.16 on BFx

    It would be great to see America chuck Trump in the bin. It may be possible to believe in America again.

    The Kamalagasm shows what can be done by a bold campaign rather than endless equivocation. Starmer take note.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,620
    edited August 8

    Meanwhile

    Home Secretary Yvette Cooper and Chief Whip Alan Campbell ordered Labour MPs not to go to anti-fascist demonstrations.

    Context mate.

    There was a fear that MPs were being targeted by far right thugs.

    The Speaker advised MPs to WFH.

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/london-violent-disorder-police-mps-home-working-lindsay-hoyle-b1175285.html
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,351

    Trump is looking as deflated as one of those Christmas balloons you find behind the sofa in April.....

    Has a shark been gnawing at him?
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,044
    FPT…

    Looking at the Olympics medal table why is it that India - which has the largest population in the world - has only 3 bronze medals ?

    Surely they should be doing better than this ?

    This is much discussed: see for example https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/08/neither-the-will-nor-the-cash-why-india-wins-so-few-olympic-medals/260693/ The suggested answers are that the country is poor, there’s no national programme for spotting and developing talent, excelling in sport is not culturally valued, and one of the country’s most popular sports (cricket) isn’t in the Olympics.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,401

    I was right in predicting crossover would take place in August.

    #LegendaryModestyKlaxon

    Rachel Reeves will be after you

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/tax/hmrc-targets-elite-earners-latest-tax-crackdown/
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,549

    I was right in predicting crossover would take place in August.

    #LegendaryModestyKlaxon

    Bonus marks for use of "bobbins".
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,053
    I don't think the GOP have any answer to the Democratic campaign.

    They're recycling all the old tropes, but they just don't resonate anymore.
    For example, trying to present a ticket of two centrist Democrats as communists is just stupid.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,044

    FPT…

    Looking at the Olympics medal table why is it that India - which has the largest population in the world - has only 3 bronze medals ?

    Surely they should be doing better than this ?

    This is much discussed: see for example https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/08/neither-the-will-nor-the-cash-why-india-wins-so-few-olympic-medals/260693/ The suggested answers are that the country is poor, there’s no national programme for spotting and developing talent, excelling in sport is not culturally valued, and one of the country’s most popular sports (cricket) isn’t in the Olympics.
    Although cricket will be at the next Olympics: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cricket_at_the_2028_Summer_Olympics
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,620

    I was right in predicting crossover would take place in August.

    #LegendaryModestyKlaxon

    Rachel Reeves will be after you

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/tax/hmrc-targets-elite-earners-latest-tax-crackdown/
    It's fine, I am PAYE.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,053
    I disagree with the header.
    I don't think it's a 50/50 race anymore.

    At the moment, it's between a narrow win and a big win.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,351
    Surreal.

    The investigation reveals that in 2022, Thames Water informed Ofwat it had discovered 312 storm overflows it didn’t know existed and hadn’t been monitoring.

    https://www.itv.com/news/2024-08-06/thames-water-discovers-312-storm-overflows-it-didnt-know-it-had

    How is it that all these privatised utilities are so mind-bendingly incompetent? That's almost as bad as British Gas.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,798

    I was right in predicting crossover would take place in August.

    #LegendaryModestyKlaxon

    I was right in saying that it was imminent but I do think that the market may be getting just a little ahead of itself here. Clinton won the popular vote by something like 4% but lost in the Electoral College. Harris is perhaps 1-2% ahead and all of that seems to be amongst the young with their lower propensity to vote. Harris probably needs another 2-3% swing to be safe.

    Several critical states, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Arizona, are on a knife edge, well within the margin of error. If the first 2 in particular go Trump's way he wins. Of course these states being on a knife edge is a big improvement for Harris and there is no doubt that she has gained considerable momentum. But this ain't over, not even close. I agree that Trump may soon be value for those with strong stomachs.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541

    Meanwhile

    Home Secretary Yvette Cooper and Chief Whip Alan Campbell ordered Labour MPs not to go to anti-fascist demonstrations.

    For safety. Because MPs were being specifically targeted online. But, hey, why let your morning dopamine hate rush be spoiled by actual facts?
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 6,813

    Meanwhile

    Home Secretary Yvette Cooper and Chief Whip Alan Campbell ordered Labour MPs not to go to anti-fascist demonstrations.

    Context mate.

    There was a fear that MPs were being targeted by far right thugs.

    The Speaker advised MPs to WFH.

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/london-violent-disorder-police-mps-home-working-lindsay-hoyle-b1175285.html
    In addition to the safety concerns I imagine there would also be the fear that having prominent public figures there would make it a greater focal point for the protest to happen in the first place.

    I think that was a wise decision.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,411

    Meanwhile

    Home Secretary Yvette Cooper and Chief Whip Alan Campbell ordered Labour MPs not to go to anti-fascist demonstrations.

    Context mate.

    There was a fear that MPs were being targeted by far right thugs.

    The Speaker advised MPs to WFH.

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/london-violent-disorder-police-mps-home-working-lindsay-hoyle-b1175285.html
    In addition to the safety concerns I imagine there would also be the fear that having prominent public figures there would make it a greater focal point for the protest to happen in the first place.

    I think that was a wise decision.
    It was to avoid completely buggering the Government over the two tier thing.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,401
    ydoethur said:

    Surreal.

    The investigation reveals that in 2022, Thames Water informed Ofwat it had discovered 312 storm overflows it didn’t know existed and hadn’t been monitoring.

    https://www.itv.com/news/2024-08-06/thames-water-discovers-312-storm-overflows-it-didnt-know-it-had

    How is it that all these privatised utilities are so mind-bendingly incompetent? That's almost as bad as British Gas.

    To be fair, they have a large number of installations of which they know very little, this is a legacy from when they were a public utility and the record keeping was crap, On the other hand they have done very little in the intervening 30 years to get themselves up to speed and Ofwat havent pressured them.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,351
    Maybe we should stop using 'GOP' for the Republicans:

    They're not 'grand' - they're increasingly a weird collection of creeps, crooks and no-marks;

    They're not 'old' - they only date from the 1850s, long after the Democrats (unless you take the founding of the modern Democrats as the 1860 split);

    And they're not a party, either. Like Reform, they are a one-man ego trip for a pretty nasty piece of work with no actual policies but an unshakeable belief in his own brilliance, additionally married to a thoroughly unedifying level of greed.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,128

    I was right in predicting crossover would take place in August.

    #LegendaryModestyKlaxon

    Rachel Reeves will be after you

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/tax/hmrc-targets-elite-earners-latest-tax-crackdown/
    That's the Daily Telegrunt (do we need a klaxon?).

    Full text here. It looks like an enforcement exercise on Lawyers who have been dodging NI.

    https://archive.ph/sdg2u
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,401
    MattW said:

    I was right in predicting crossover would take place in August.

    #LegendaryModestyKlaxon

    Rachel Reeves will be after you

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/tax/hmrc-targets-elite-earners-latest-tax-crackdown/
    That's the Daily Telegrunt (do we need a klaxon?).

    Full text here. It looks like an enforcement exercise on Lawyers who have been dodging NI.

    https://archive.ph/sdg2u
    Thats why I sent it to @TSE
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,128
    Just checked and I am now being offered £4.88 profit as a cash out on my bets for Kamala Harris.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,351

    ydoethur said:

    Surreal.

    The investigation reveals that in 2022, Thames Water informed Ofwat it had discovered 312 storm overflows it didn’t know existed and hadn’t been monitoring.

    https://www.itv.com/news/2024-08-06/thames-water-discovers-312-storm-overflows-it-didnt-know-it-had

    How is it that all these privatised utilities are so mind-bendingly incompetent? That's almost as bad as British Gas.

    To be fair, they have a large number of installations of which they know very little, this is a legacy from when they were a public utility and the record keeping was crap, On the other hand they have done very little in the intervening 30 years to get themselves up to speed and Ofwat havent pressured them.
    That reminds me of the famous exchange between a boss and a cleaner:

    Boss: 'My desk looks as if it hasn't been dusted for a month!'

    Cleaner: 'Don't blame me, I only started a fortnight ago.'

    If after 30 years they haven't taken the trouble to check what they are responsible for, they've shown zero responsibility and deserve what they're about to get.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,984

    Meanwhile

    Home Secretary Yvette Cooper and Chief Whip Alan Campbell ordered Labour MPs not to go to anti-fascist demonstrations.

    Context mate.

    There was a fear that MPs were being targeted by far right thugs.

    The Speaker advised MPs to WFH.

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/london-violent-disorder-police-mps-home-working-lindsay-hoyle-b1175285.html
    In addition to the safety concerns I imagine there would also be the fear that having prominent public figures there would make it a greater focal point for the protest to happen in the first place.

    I think that was a wise decision.
    It also enabled the media to report these as non-partisan outpourings of British neighbourliness, meaning those Mail and Express front pages.

    Only the Telegraph remains an outlier. More Telegram than Telegraph.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,585
    The chancellor, Rachel Reeves, met the bosses of Canada’s big retirement schemes in Toronto on Wednesday, prompting speculation that Labour is planning to bring the country’s public pension model to the UK.

    https://www.theguardian.com/money/article/2024/aug/07/why-does-rachel-reeves-want-to-copy-canadas-pensions-model

    Thames Water is a third owned by Ontario Municipal Employees Retirement Scheme.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,023
    DougSeal said:

    Meanwhile

    Home Secretary Yvette Cooper and Chief Whip Alan Campbell ordered Labour MPs not to go to anti-fascist demonstrations.

    For safety. Because MPs were being specifically targeted online. But, hey, why let your morning dopamine hate rush be spoiled by actual facts?
    Seems eminently sensible advice to me
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,549

    FPT…

    Looking at the Olympics medal table why is it that India - which has the largest population in the world - has only 3 bronze medals ?

    Surely they should be doing better than this ?

    This is much discussed: see for example https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/08/neither-the-will-nor-the-cash-why-india-wins-so-few-olympic-medals/260693/ The suggested answers are that the country is poor, there’s no national programme for spotting and developing talent, excelling in sport is no t culturally valued, and one of the country’s most popular sports (cricket) isn’t in the Olympics.
    Still reckon Sunil would have been a gold medal winner - if only his mum had forced him into it.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,351

    FPT…

    Looking at the Olympics medal table why is it that India - which has the largest population in the world - has only 3 bronze medals ?

    Surely they should be doing better than this ?

    This is much discussed: see for example https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/08/neither-the-will-nor-the-cash-why-india-wins-so-few-olympic-medals/260693/ The suggested answers are that the country is poor, there’s no national programme for spotting and developing talent, excelling in sport is no t culturally valued, and one of the country’s most popular sports (cricket) isn’t in the Olympics.
    Still reckon Sunil would have been a gold medal winner - if only his mum had forced him into it.
    Didn't know trainspotting was an Olympic sport.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,401
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Surreal.

    The investigation reveals that in 2022, Thames Water informed Ofwat it had discovered 312 storm overflows it didn’t know existed and hadn’t been monitoring.

    https://www.itv.com/news/2024-08-06/thames-water-discovers-312-storm-overflows-it-didnt-know-it-had

    How is it that all these privatised utilities are so mind-bendingly incompetent? That's almost as bad as British Gas.

    To be fair, they have a large number of installations of which they know very little, this is a legacy from when they were a public utility and the record keeping was crap, On the other hand they have done very little in the intervening 30 years to get themselves up to speed and Ofwat havent pressured them.
    That reminds me of the famous exchange between a boss and a cleaner:

    Boss: 'My desk looks as if it hasn't been dusted for a month!'

    Cleaner: 'Don't blame me, I only started a fortnight ago.'

    If after 30 years they haven't taken the trouble to check what they are responsible for, they've shown zero responsibility and deserve what they're about to get.
    It's not just Thames it's all the water utilities. When I was running a team of field engineers in the water industry several times a year we would have a call out for a facility nobody knew anything about. The industry worked on a let it break down basis rather than preventative maintenance. As a result some of the breakdowns were in places which were as much of a surprise to the utility as us.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,407
    MattW said:

    Just checked and I am now being offered £4.88 profit as a cash out on my bets for Kamala Harris.

    Welcome to my world.

    Really not that good on US politics :-/
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,208
    edited August 8

    FPT…

    Looking at the Olympics medal table why is it that India - which has the largest population in the world - has only 3 bronze medals ?

    Surely they should be doing better than this ?

    This is much discussed: see for example https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/08/neither-the-will-nor-the-cash-why-india-wins-so-few-olympic-medals/260693/ The suggested answers are that the country is poor, there’s no national programme for spotting and developing talent, excelling in sport is not culturally valued, and one of the country’s most popular sports (cricket) isn’t in the Olympics.
    There are many countries with substantial populations that have won no medals or just one or two, apart from India. This includes most of South and South East Asia and the Middle East. ie more than half the world's population.

    Winning Olympic medals is an industry with relatively high investment costs. A lot of places just haven't invested.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,862
    ydoethur said:

    FPT…

    Looking at the Olympics medal table why is it that India - which has the largest population in the world - has only 3 bronze medals ?

    Surely they should be doing better than this ?

    This is much discussed: see for example https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/08/neither-the-will-nor-the-cash-why-india-wins-so-few-olympic-medals/260693/ The suggested answers are that the country is poor, there’s no national programme for spotting and developing talent, excelling in sport is no t culturally valued, and one of the country’s most popular sports (cricket) isn’t in the Olympics.
    Still reckon Sunil would have been a gold medal winner - if only his mum had forced him into it.
    Didn't know trainspotting was an Olympic sport.
    Skateboarding, breakdancing, trainspotting – the IOC's gone nuts.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,549

    Nigelb said:

    I disagree with the header.
    I don't think it's a 50/50 race anymore.

    At the moment, it's between a narrow win and a big win.

    I think I am still scarred by 2016.

    I realised over the weekend I am more emotionally invested in the 2024 US Presidential election than I have ever been in any UK general election or Brexit referendum/Scottish independence referendum and I was pretty emotionally invested in the those too.
    The world is scarred by 2016.

    But Hilary was a deeply unlikeable candidate, running a crappy campaign based on her expectation of being entitled to the top job, because...

    Lessons have been learned.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,722

    Meanwhile

    Home Secretary Yvette Cooper and Chief Whip Alan Campbell ordered Labour MPs not to go to anti-fascist demonstrations.

    Ordered? Who the fuck do they think they sre?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,651
    TimS said:

    Meanwhile

    Home Secretary Yvette Cooper and Chief Whip Alan Campbell ordered Labour MPs not to go to anti-fascist demonstrations.

    Context mate.

    There was a fear that MPs were being targeted by far right thugs.

    The Speaker advised MPs to WFH.

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/london-violent-disorder-police-mps-home-working-lindsay-hoyle-b1175285.html
    In addition to the safety concerns I imagine there would also be the fear that having prominent public figures there would make it a greater focal point for the protest to happen in the first place.

    I think that was a wise decision.
    It also enabled the media to report these as non-partisan outpourings of British neighbourliness, meaning those Mail and Express front pages.

    Only the Telegraph remains an outlier. More Telegram than Telegraph.
    Whoever took that photo in Walthamstow made a bit of money - it's on the front pages of the Mail, Express, Mirror, Guardian and the Times.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1d75033rvwo
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,351

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Surreal.

    The investigation reveals that in 2022, Thames Water informed Ofwat it had discovered 312 storm overflows it didn’t know existed and hadn’t been monitoring.

    https://www.itv.com/news/2024-08-06/thames-water-discovers-312-storm-overflows-it-didnt-know-it-had

    How is it that all these privatised utilities are so mind-bendingly incompetent? That's almost as bad as British Gas.

    To be fair, they have a large number of installations of which they know very little, this is a legacy from when they were a public utility and the record keeping was crap, On the other hand they have done very little in the intervening 30 years to get themselves up to speed and Ofwat havent pressured them.
    That reminds me of the famous exchange between a boss and a cleaner:

    Boss: 'My desk looks as if it hasn't been dusted for a month!'

    Cleaner: 'Don't blame me, I only started a fortnight ago.'

    If after 30 years they haven't taken the trouble to check what they are responsible for, they've shown zero responsibility and deserve what they're about to get.
    It's not just Thames it's all the water utilities. When I was running a team of field engineers in the water industry several times a year we would have a call out for a facility nobody knew anything about. The industry worked on a let it break down basis rather than preventative maintenance. As a result some of the breakdowns were in places which were as much of a surprise to the utility as us.
    Not sure I'd have bothered with 'water' in front of 'utilities,' but yes, I quite agree with your point.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,411

    The chancellor, Rachel Reeves, met the bosses of Canada’s big retirement schemes in Toronto on Wednesday, prompting speculation that Labour is planning to bring the country’s public pension model to the UK.

    https://www.theguardian.com/money/article/2024/aug/07/why-does-rachel-reeves-want-to-copy-canadas-pensions-model

    Thames Water is a third owned by Ontario Municipal Employees Retirement Scheme.

    Oh dear, how sad, never mind.
  • pm215pm215 Posts: 1,129

    The chancellor, Rachel Reeves, met the bosses of Canada’s big retirement schemes in Toronto on Wednesday, prompting speculation that Labour is planning to bring the country’s public pension model to the UK.

    https://www.theguardian.com/money/article/2024/aug/07/why-does-rachel-reeves-want-to-copy-canadas-pensions-model

    Thames Water is a third owned by Ontario Municipal Employees Retirement Scheme.

    Everyone seems to quote that figure but I always think the more relevant one would be "what percentage of OMARS total assets is their Thames Water investment?". It makes a massive difference whether TW is 10%, 1% or 0.1% of the fund (one end being "what were they thinking" mismanagement and the other being "unsurprising they have some money spread around more risky investments"), whereas it doesn't really make much difference to the fund whether they owned 30% or 3% of Thames Water -- they had to write off their investment earlier this year either way.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,585
    Harris ahead by 1% in the rust belt marginals might well mean being comfortably ahead in Michigan but still narrowly behind in both Pennsylvania and Wisconsin or significantly behind in one of them.

    Trump victory scenarios:

    WI + AZ + NV + GA
    PA + GA
    PA + AZ + NV
    PA + WI + AZ
    PA + WI + NV
  • sbjme19sbjme19 Posts: 194

    Nigelb said:

    I disagree with the header.
    I don't think it's a 50/50 race anymore.

    At the moment, it's between a narrow win and a big win.

    I think I am still scarred by 2016.

    I realised over the weekend I am more emotionally invested in the 2024 US Presidential election than I have ever been in any UK general election or Brexit referendum/Scottish independence referendum and I was pretty emotionally invested in the those too.
    I agree. The thought of weird Trump winning is too horrendous.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,351
    edited August 8
    pm215 said:

    The chancellor, Rachel Reeves, met the bosses of Canada’s big retirement schemes in Toronto on Wednesday, prompting speculation that Labour is planning to bring the country’s public pension model to the UK.

    https://www.theguardian.com/money/article/2024/aug/07/why-does-rachel-reeves-want-to-copy-canadas-pensions-model

    Thames Water is a third owned by Ontario Municipal Employees Retirement Scheme.

    Everyone seems to quote that figure but I always think the more relevant one would be "what percentage of OMARS total assets is their Thames Water investment?". It makes a massive difference whether TW is 10%, 1% or 0.1% of the fund (one end being "what were they thinking" mismanagement and the other being "unsurprising they have some money spread around more risky investments"), whereas it doesn't really make much difference to the fund whether they owned 30% or 3% of Thames Water -- they had to write off their investment earlier this year either way.
    128.6 billion CAD.

    https://www.omers.com/news/omers-generates-5-point-6-billion-dollars-in-investment-income-in-2023#

    So it's under 2%.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,623

    Meanwhile

    Home Secretary Yvette Cooper and Chief Whip Alan Campbell ordered Labour MPs not to go to anti-fascist demonstrations.

    Ordered? Who the fuck do they think they sre?
    The Minister in charge of public order and the MP in charge of party discipline?
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    I’ve emotionally gone from being mentally and emotionally reconciled to a Trump win to having hope that Harris actually might do it. Sadly it’s the hope that kills you.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,656

    Meanwhile

    Home Secretary Yvette Cooper and Chief Whip Alan Campbell ordered Labour MPs not to go to anti-fascist demonstrations.

    Context mate.

    There was a fear that MPs were being targeted by far right thugs.

    The Speaker advised MPs to WFH.

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/london-violent-disorder-police-mps-home-working-lindsay-hoyle-b1175285.html
    Context is they have emboldened the far right with their racist GE rhetoric
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    edited August 8

    Meanwhile

    Home Secretary Yvette Cooper and Chief Whip Alan Campbell ordered Labour MPs not to go to anti-fascist demonstrations.

    Context mate.

    There was a fear that MPs were being targeted by far right thugs.

    The Speaker advised MPs to WFH.

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/london-violent-disorder-police-mps-home-working-lindsay-hoyle-b1175285.html
    Context is they have emboldened the far right with their racist GE rhetoric
    Interestingly enough your hatred of SKS is shared by the far right. You should just go join them. Your enemy’s enemy is your friend.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,053
    ydoethur said:

    Maybe we should stop using 'GOP' for the Republicans:

    They're not 'grand' - they're increasingly a weird collection of creeps, crooks and no-marks;

    They're not 'old' - they only date from the 1850s, long after the Democrats (unless you take the founding of the modern Democrats as the 1860 split);

    And they're not a party, either. Like Reform, they are a one-man ego trip for a pretty nasty piece of work with no actual policies but an unshakeable belief in his own brilliance, additionally married to a thoroughly unedifying level of greed.

    It's just easier to write.
    This of it as grumpy old prats, if you prefer (other options are available).
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,351
    DougSeal said:

    I’ve emotionally gone from being mentally and emotionally reconciled to a Trump win to having hope that Harris actually might do it. Sadly it’s the hope that kills you.

    *Raises eyebrows*

    Has Governor Walz's daughter taken up a new career?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,651

    Meanwhile

    Home Secretary Yvette Cooper and Chief Whip Alan Campbell ordered Labour MPs not to go to anti-fascist demonstrations.

    Ordered? Who the fuck do they think they sre?
    Er... the people in charge of the parliamentary Labour party.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,585
    pm215 said:

    The chancellor, Rachel Reeves, met the bosses of Canada’s big retirement schemes in Toronto on Wednesday, prompting speculation that Labour is planning to bring the country’s public pension model to the UK.

    https://www.theguardian.com/money/article/2024/aug/07/why-does-rachel-reeves-want-to-copy-canadas-pensions-model

    Thames Water is a third owned by Ontario Municipal Employees Retirement Scheme.

    Everyone seems to quote that figure but I always think the more relevant one would be "what percentage of OMARS total assets is their Thames Water investment?". It makes a massive difference whether TW is 10%, 1% or 0.1% of the fund (one end being "what were they thinking" mismanagement and the other being "unsurprising they have some money spread around more risky investments"), whereas it doesn't really make much difference to the fund whether they owned 30% or 3% of Thames Water -- they had to write off their investment earlier this year either way.
    It doesn't suggest that the pension fund was following standard procedures of either spreading risk or investing in stocks with potential for capital growth.

    And isn't Reeves idea for pension funds to invest more into UK infrastructure not that of other countries - as the Canadians did ?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,862

    Nigelb said:

    I disagree with the header.
    I don't think it's a 50/50 race anymore.

    At the moment, it's between a narrow win and a big win.

    I think I am still scarred by 2016.

    I realised over the weekend I am more emotionally invested in the 2024 US Presidential election than I have ever been in any UK general election or Brexit referendum/Scottish independence referendum and I was pretty emotionally invested in the those too.
    The world is scarred by 2016.

    But Hilary was a deeply unlikeable candidate, running a crappy campaign based on her expectation of being entitled to the top job, because...

    Lessons have been learned.
    For all that Hillary ran a poor campaign, this can be overstated because she did collect some 3 million more votes than Trump but lost it in the Electoral College.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    ydoethur said:

    DougSeal said:

    I’ve emotionally gone from being mentally and emotionally reconciled to a Trump win to having hope that Harris actually might do it. Sadly it’s the hope that kills you.

    *Raises eyebrows*

    Has Governor Walz's daughter taken up a new career?
    You’re going to have to explain that one to me.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,363

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Surreal.

    The investigation reveals that in 2022, Thames Water informed Ofwat it had discovered 312 storm overflows it didn’t know existed and hadn’t been monitoring.

    https://www.itv.com/news/2024-08-06/thames-water-discovers-312-storm-overflows-it-didnt-know-it-had

    How is it that all these privatised utilities are so mind-bendingly incompetent? That's almost as bad as British Gas.

    To be fair, they have a large number of installations of which they know very little, this is a legacy from when they were a public utility and the record keeping was crap, On the other hand they have done very little in the intervening 30 years to get themselves up to speed and Ofwat havent pressured them.
    That reminds me of the famous exchange between a boss and a cleaner:

    Boss: 'My desk looks as if it hasn't been dusted for a month!'

    Cleaner: 'Don't blame me, I only started a fortnight ago.'

    If after 30 years they haven't taken the trouble to check what they are responsible for, they've shown zero responsibility and deserve what they're about to get.
    It's not just Thames it's all the water utilities. When I was running a team of field engineers in the water industry several times a year we would have a call out for a facility nobody knew anything about. The industry worked on a let it break down basis rather than preventative maintenance. As a result some of the breakdowns were in places which were as much of a surprise to the utility as us.
    I think it all stems from a different era when you needed paperwork and an office full of filing cabinet to record what you owned so it was easier not to bother because when you sent an engineer out you didn't want to waste hours looking things up first easier all round to just get on with it.

    And then I think many firms haven't bothered doing an asset identification project because the few that have didn't see much benefit from the millions of pounds spent identifying the assets.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,656
    DougSeal said:

    Meanwhile

    Home Secretary Yvette Cooper and Chief Whip Alan Campbell ordered Labour MPs not to go to anti-fascist demonstrations.

    For safety. Because MPs were being specifically targeted online. But, hey, why let your morning dopamine hate rush be spoiled by actual facts?
    Actual facts haven't bothered SKS fans before.

    They have stoked racism by their Bangladeshi go home comments and now the taxpayer is picking up the massive police bill as a consequence of the inevitable thickos on the streets
  • eekeek Posts: 28,363
    edited August 8
    DougSeal said:

    I’ve emotionally gone from being mentally and emotionally reconciled to a Trump win to having hope that Harris actually might do it. Sadly it’s the hope that kills you.

    I actually think that Harris will do it as much because all the energy seems to have drained from DonOLD Trump...

    Remember Harris has 7 campaign events this week, DonOLD had one and simply doesn't look that great.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,351
    DougSeal said:

    ydoethur said:

    DougSeal said:

    I’ve emotionally gone from being mentally and emotionally reconciled to a Trump win to having hope that Harris actually might do it. Sadly it’s the hope that kills you.

    *Raises eyebrows*

    Has Governor Walz's daughter taken up a new career?
    You’re going to have to explain that one to me.
    His daughter is named Hope.

    So if it's the Hope that kills you...
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,656

    The chancellor, Rachel Reeves, met the bosses of Canada’s big retirement schemes in Toronto on Wednesday, prompting speculation that Labour is planning to bring the country’s public pension model to the UK.

    https://www.theguardian.com/money/article/2024/aug/07/why-does-rachel-reeves-want-to-copy-canadas-pensions-model

    Thames Water is a third owned by Ontario Municipal Employees Retirement Scheme.

    Oh dear, how sad, never mind.
    Reeves apeing Tory policy shocker!
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,814

    ydoethur said:

    FPT…

    Looking at the Olympics medal table why is it that India - which has the largest population in the world - has only 3 bronze medals ?

    Surely they should be doing better than this ?

    This is much discussed: see for example https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/08/neither-the-will-nor-the-cash-why-india-wins-so-few-olympic-medals/260693/ The suggested answers are that the country is poor, there’s no national programme for spotting and developing talent, excelling in sport is no t culturally valued, and one of the country’s most popular sports (cricket) isn’t in the Olympics.
    Still reckon Sunil would have been a gold medal winner - if only his mum had forced him into it.
    Didn't know trainspotting was an Olympic sport.
    Skateboarding, breakdancing, trainspotting – the IOC's gone nuts.
    With stationspotting as a sub category, too.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,651

    DougSeal said:

    Meanwhile

    Home Secretary Yvette Cooper and Chief Whip Alan Campbell ordered Labour MPs not to go to anti-fascist demonstrations.

    For safety. Because MPs were being specifically targeted online. But, hey, why let your morning dopamine hate rush be spoiled by actual facts?
    Actual facts haven't bothered SKS fans before.

    They have stoked racism by their Bangladeshi go home comments and now the taxpayer is picking up the massive police bill as a consequence of the inevitable thickos on the streets
    Good God, we are going to have to put up with at least 5 years of this (possibly 10-15 years), aren't we? Until Labour loses and BJO can be happy again.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,401
    eek said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Surreal.

    The investigation reveals that in 2022, Thames Water informed Ofwat it had discovered 312 storm overflows it didn’t know existed and hadn’t been monitoring.

    https://www.itv.com/news/2024-08-06/thames-water-discovers-312-storm-overflows-it-didnt-know-it-had

    How is it that all these privatised utilities are so mind-bendingly incompetent? That's almost as bad as British Gas.

    To be fair, they have a large number of installations of which they know very little, this is a legacy from when they were a public utility and the record keeping was crap, On the other hand they have done very little in the intervening 30 years to get themselves up to speed and Ofwat havent pressured them.
    That reminds me of the famous exchange between a boss and a cleaner:

    Boss: 'My desk looks as if it hasn't been dusted for a month!'

    Cleaner: 'Don't blame me, I only started a fortnight ago.'

    If after 30 years they haven't taken the trouble to check what they are responsible for, they've shown zero responsibility and deserve what they're about to get.
    It's not just Thames it's all the water utilities. When I was running a team of field engineers in the water industry several times a year we would have a call out for a facility nobody knew anything about. The industry worked on a let it break down basis rather than preventative maintenance. As a result some of the breakdowns were in places which were as much of a surprise to the utility as us.
    I think it all stems from a different era when you needed paperwork and an office full of filing cabinet to record what you owned so it was easier not to bother because when you sent an engineer out you didn't want to waste hours looking things up first easier all round to just get on with it.

    And then I think many firms haven't bothered doing an asset identification project because the few that have didn't see much benefit from the millions of pounds spent identifying the assets.
    I'd add in that there was a human factor with lot of knowledge in peoples heads. When they left or were made redundant the knowledge went with them.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,798
    eek said:

    DougSeal said:

    I’ve emotionally gone from being mentally and emotionally reconciled to a Trump win to having hope that Harris actually might do it. Sadly it’s the hope that kills you.

    I actually think that Harris will do it as much because all the energy seems to have drained from DonOLD Trump...
    Its weird (to choose a word) and being noticed that his rallies have fizzled down to almost nothing, that in several states he doesn't have offices and that his advertising is much reduced. I am not one to criticise spending money on lawyers, we deserve your cash, but it does look as if there is comparatively little money left once that has been done.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541

    DougSeal said:

    Meanwhile

    Home Secretary Yvette Cooper and Chief Whip Alan Campbell ordered Labour MPs not to go to anti-fascist demonstrations.

    For safety. Because MPs were being specifically targeted online. But, hey, why let your morning dopamine hate rush be spoiled by actual facts?
    Actual facts haven't bothered SKS fans before.

    They have stoked racism by their Bangladeshi go home comments and now the taxpayer is picking up the massive police bill as a consequence of the inevitable thickos on the streets
    You have a lot in common with them. They too are demanding SKS resigns. And given you constantly suggest that Corbyn’s miserable failures in 2017 and 2019 were “successes” and defame people on here as supporting genocide you have no business taking to anyone about “facts”.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,363

    pm215 said:

    The chancellor, Rachel Reeves, met the bosses of Canada’s big retirement schemes in Toronto on Wednesday, prompting speculation that Labour is planning to bring the country’s public pension model to the UK.

    https://www.theguardian.com/money/article/2024/aug/07/why-does-rachel-reeves-want-to-copy-canadas-pensions-model

    Thames Water is a third owned by Ontario Municipal Employees Retirement Scheme.

    Everyone seems to quote that figure but I always think the more relevant one would be "what percentage of OMARS total assets is their Thames Water investment?". It makes a massive difference whether TW is 10%, 1% or 0.1% of the fund (one end being "what were they thinking" mismanagement and the other being "unsurprising they have some money spread around more risky investments"), whereas it doesn't really make much difference to the fund whether they owned 30% or 3% of Thames Water -- they had to write off their investment earlier this year either way.
    It doesn't suggest that the pension fund was following standard procedures of either spreading risk or investing in stocks with potential for capital growth.

    And isn't Reeves idea for pension funds to invest more into UK infrastructure not that of other countries - as the Canadians did ?
    There is a certain amount of logic in say nationalising any bankrupt water companies and getting pension firms involved to fund the required improvement works..
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,549
    DougSeal said:

    ydoethur said:

    DougSeal said:

    I’ve emotionally gone from being mentally and emotionally reconciled to a Trump win to having hope that Harris actually might do it. Sadly it’s the hope that kills you.

    *Raises eyebrows*

    Has Governor Walz's daughter taken up a new career?
    You’re going to have to explain that one to me.
    His daughter is called Hope.

  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,585
    eek said:

    DougSeal said:

    I’ve emotionally gone from being mentally and emotionally reconciled to a Trump win to having hope that Harris actually might do it. Sadly it’s the hope that kills you.

    I actually think that Harris will do it as much because all the energy seems to have drained from DonOLD Trump...
    Trump has been steadily declining since 2016.

    Understandably so given the ageing and stress he has suffered.

    Its only because US politics is so filled with senile dodderers that it hasn't been so noticeable.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,798
    DougSeal said:

    ydoethur said:

    DougSeal said:

    I’ve emotionally gone from being mentally and emotionally reconciled to a Trump win to having hope that Harris actually might do it. Sadly it’s the hope that kills you.

    *Raises eyebrows*

    Has Governor Walz's daughter taken up a new career?
    You’re going to have to explain that one to me.
    Suggesting the utterly charming Hope Walz has taken up the job of a hit man.
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,747
    edited August 8
    If Ukraine really tips the Classic Risk board in its favour in the coming weeks, I suspect DJT might come out with one of his handy pivots.

    “When I said I’d end the war in 24hrs, I meant because I’d make Russia leave Ukraine. We made Biden sign a beautiful bill that finally gave them everything they needed and look what they’re achieving”.

    He’s like Roops Murdoch, he likes feeling like the winner. Famously even when he’s the loser. Unless you genuinely think he’s a real life Charles Logan (24), where is the political capital in backing the loser?
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,894

    Meanwhile

    Home Secretary Yvette Cooper and Chief Whip Alan Campbell ordered Labour MPs not to go to anti-fascist demonstrations.

    Are you really trying to suggest this hasn't been a triumph for SKS and Yvette? They didn't give an inch to the fascists which is something that wouldn't have happened with Sunak and any of his various Home secretaries. Having a man in charge who understood the law worked.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,351

    DougSeal said:

    Meanwhile

    Home Secretary Yvette Cooper and Chief Whip Alan Campbell ordered Labour MPs not to go to anti-fascist demonstrations.

    For safety. Because MPs were being specifically targeted online. But, hey, why let your morning dopamine hate rush be spoiled by actual facts?
    Actual facts haven't bothered SKS fans before.

    They have stoked racism by their Bangladeshi go home comments and now the taxpayer is picking up the massive police bill as a consequence of the inevitable thickos on the streets
    Good God, we are going to have to put up with at least 5 years of this (possibly 10-15 years), aren't we? Until Labour loses and BJO can be happy again.
    He was actually miserable with them when they were in opposition too, so even that won't help.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,237
    DougSeal said:

    I’ve emotionally gone from being mentally and emotionally reconciled to a Trump win to having hope that Harris actually might do it. Sadly it’s the hope that kills you.

    This Hope?

    https://media.vanityfair.com/photos/5a00d49aebb54658258f6609/4:3/w_1280,h_960,c_limit/Hope-Hicks-Tux.jpg
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,656

    DougSeal said:

    Meanwhile

    Home Secretary Yvette Cooper and Chief Whip Alan Campbell ordered Labour MPs not to go to anti-fascist demonstrations.

    For safety. Because MPs were being specifically targeted online. But, hey, why let your morning dopamine hate rush be spoiled by actual facts?
    Actual facts haven't bothered SKS fans before.

    They have stoked racism by their Bangladeshi go home comments and now the taxpayer is picking up the massive police bill as a consequence of the inevitable thickos on the streets
    Good God, we are going to have to put up with at least 5 years of this (possibly 10-15 years), aren't we? Until Labour loses and BJO can be happy again.
    So you approve of Bangladeshis go home rhetoric and can see no li nk whatsoever to where we are now?

  • eekeek Posts: 28,363

    eek said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Surreal.

    The investigation reveals that in 2022, Thames Water informed Ofwat it had discovered 312 storm overflows it didn’t know existed and hadn’t been monitoring.

    https://www.itv.com/news/2024-08-06/thames-water-discovers-312-storm-overflows-it-didnt-know-it-had

    How is it that all these privatised utilities are so mind-bendingly incompetent? That's almost as bad as British Gas.

    To be fair, they have a large number of installations of which they know very little, this is a legacy from when they were a public utility and the record keeping was crap, On the other hand they have done very little in the intervening 30 years to get themselves up to speed and Ofwat havent pressured them.
    That reminds me of the famous exchange between a boss and a cleaner:

    Boss: 'My desk looks as if it hasn't been dusted for a month!'

    Cleaner: 'Don't blame me, I only started a fortnight ago.'

    If after 30 years they haven't taken the trouble to check what they are responsible for, they've shown zero responsibility and deserve what they're about to get.
    It's not just Thames it's all the water utilities. When I was running a team of field engineers in the water industry several times a year we would have a call out for a facility nobody knew anything about. The industry worked on a let it break down basis rather than preventative maintenance. As a result some of the breakdowns were in places which were as much of a surprise to the utility as us.
    I think it all stems from a different era when you needed paperwork and an office full of filing cabinet to record what you owned so it was easier not to bother because when you sent an engineer out you didn't want to waste hours looking things up first easier all round to just get on with it.

    And then I think many firms haven't bothered doing an asset identification project because the few that have didn't see much benefit from the millions of pounds spent identifying the assets.
    I'd add in that there was a human factor with lot of knowledge in peoples heads. When they left or were made redundant the knowledge went with them.
    +1 the local engineers would know where everything is and what it was but there was never time or interest to document it..
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,656
    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    FPT…

    Looking at the Olympics medal table why is it that India - which has the largest population in the world - has only 3 bronze medals ?

    Surely they should be doing better than this ?

    This is much discussed: see for example https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/08/neither-the-will-nor-the-cash-why-india-wins-so-few-olympic-medals/260693/ The suggested answers are that the country is poor, there’s no national programme for spotting and developing talent, excelling in sport is no t culturally valued, and one of the country’s most popular sports (cricket) isn’t in the Olympics.
    Still reckon Sunil would have been a gold medal winner - if only his mum had forced him into it.
    Didn't know trainspotting was an Olympic sport.
    Skateboarding, breakdancing, trainspotting – the IOC's gone nuts.
    With stationspotting as a sub category, too.
    Really how do I enter?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,128
    edited August 8
    MattW said:

    Just checked and I am now being offered £4.88 profit as a cash out on my bets for Kamala Harris.

    To be fair I have a grand total of £30 at risk :smile: .
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,862
    OT while throwing away my books, I've come across Advocates by PB's favourite lawyer, David Pannick, before he became a lord. £15 hardback in 1992, shortly to start its slow journey to the council tip.

  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    DavidL said:

    DougSeal said:

    ydoethur said:

    DougSeal said:

    I’ve emotionally gone from being mentally and emotionally reconciled to a Trump win to having hope that Harris actually might do it. Sadly it’s the hope that kills you.

    *Raises eyebrows*

    Has Governor Walz's daughter taken up a new career?
    You’re going to have to explain that one to me.
    Suggesting the utterly charming Hope Walz has taken up the job of a hit man.
    Niche.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,053

    Nigelb said:

    I disagree with the header.
    I don't think it's a 50/50 race anymore.

    At the moment, it's between a narrow win and a big win.

    I think I am still scarred by 2016.

    I realised over the weekend I am more emotionally invested in the 2024 US Presidential election than I have ever been in any UK general election or Brexit referendum/Scottish independence referendum and I was pretty emotionally invested in the those too.
    The Democrats appear to have learned, though.
    Every attempt to stir up some party division (which the US media, liberal or otherwise, absolutely loves to cover) just isn't working. I can't recall a time when one wing of the party wasn't having a go at the other, but that seems now to be the prevailing mood.

    And they don't get wound up by Trump's bullshit. They're inoculated, and just laugh at him now.

    The more I look at it, the smarter Walz is as the VP pick. He's no threat to the next generation - has specifically said that this is the culmination of his career, not a step on the way to the top job - and has been enthusiastically endorsed by everyone from Bernie and AOC to fucking Joe Manchin, who doesn't like anyone.

    And they're defending a largely positive record in government.

    But as has been noted, there's still three months to go.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,237
    DougSeal said:

    ydoethur said:

    DougSeal said:

    I’ve emotionally gone from being mentally and emotionally reconciled to a Trump win to having hope that Harris actually might do it. Sadly it’s the hope that kills you.

    *Raises eyebrows*

    Has Governor Walz's daughter taken up a new career?
    You’re going to have to explain that one to me.
    She’s called Hope and may have become an assassin according to your post…

    It wasn’t really worth explaining…
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,401
    Roger said:

    Meanwhile

    Home Secretary Yvette Cooper and Chief Whip Alan Campbell ordered Labour MPs not to go to anti-fascist demonstrations.

    Are you really trying to suggest this hasn't been a triumph for SKS and Yvette? They didn't give an inch to the fascists which is something that wouldn't have happened with Sunak and any of his various Home secretaries. Having a man in charge who understood the law worked.
    You have a rich sense of humour Roger
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,351
    DavidL said:

    DougSeal said:

    ydoethur said:

    DougSeal said:

    I’ve emotionally gone from being mentally and emotionally reconciled to a Trump win to having hope that Harris actually might do it. Sadly it’s the hope that kills you.

    *Raises eyebrows*

    Has Governor Walz's daughter taken up a new career?
    You’re going to have to explain that one to me.
    Suggesting the utterly charming Hope Walz has taken up the job of a hit man.
    Er...surely she would be a hit woman?

    (She's brilliant in those videos with her dad though. They're hilarious.)
  • eekeek Posts: 28,363
    DavidL said:

    eek said:

    DougSeal said:

    I’ve emotionally gone from being mentally and emotionally reconciled to a Trump win to having hope that Harris actually might do it. Sadly it’s the hope that kills you.

    I actually think that Harris will do it as much because all the energy seems to have drained from DonOLD Trump...
    Its weird (to choose a word) and being noticed that his rallies have fizzled down to almost nothing, that in several states he doesn't have offices and that his advertising is much reduced. I am not one to criticise spending money on lawyers, we deserve your cash, but it does look as if there is comparatively little money left once that has been done.
    I think the lack of offices and advertising tells us what the actual result will look like. You can probably ignore the lack of advertising now but a lack of offices = lack of people on the ground which means getting out the vote may be difficult.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,053
    .
    DougSeal said:

    DavidL said:

    DougSeal said:

    ydoethur said:

    DougSeal said:

    I’ve emotionally gone from being mentally and emotionally reconciled to a Trump win to having hope that Harris actually might do it. Sadly it’s the hope that kills you.

    *Raises eyebrows*

    Has Governor Walz's daughter taken up a new career?
    You’re going to have to explain that one to me.
    Suggesting the utterly charming Hope Walz has taken up the job of a hit man.
    Niche.
    Pretty deep cover, though.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,401

    The chancellor, Rachel Reeves, met the bosses of Canada’s big retirement schemes in Toronto on Wednesday, prompting speculation that Labour is planning to bring the country’s public pension model to the UK.

    https://www.theguardian.com/money/article/2024/aug/07/why-does-rachel-reeves-want-to-copy-canadas-pensions-model

    Thames Water is a third owned by Ontario Municipal Employees Retirement Scheme.

    Oh dear, how sad, never mind.
    Reeves apeing Tory policy shocker!
    It's getting difficult to tell if Tony's Tories stole all the conservative policies or Cameron's catamites all the Labour ones. Perhaps best summed up by George Orwell

    The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,623
    DavidL said:

    DougSeal said:

    ydoethur said:

    DougSeal said:

    I’ve emotionally gone from being mentally and emotionally reconciled to a Trump win to having hope that Harris actually might do it. Sadly it’s the hope that kills you.

    *Raises eyebrows*

    Has Governor Walz's daughter taken up a new career?
    You’re going to have to explain that one to me.
    Suggesting the utterly charming Hope Walz has taken up the job of a hit man.
    Did you see Walz bigging up his daughter?

    https://x.com/CarolineFenyo/status/1821249666660655538?t=RIUnr-JZfBESPO16Ob68fg&s=19

    That's one proud Centrist Dad.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,814
    eek said:

    eek said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Surreal.

    The investigation reveals that in 2022, Thames Water informed Ofwat it had discovered 312 storm overflows it didn’t know existed and hadn’t been monitoring.

    https://www.itv.com/news/2024-08-06/thames-water-discovers-312-storm-overflows-it-didnt-know-it-had

    How is it that all these privatised utilities are so mind-bendingly incompetent? That's almost as bad as British Gas.

    To be fair, they have a large number of installations of which they know very little, this is a legacy from when they were a public utility and the record keeping was crap, On the other hand they have done very little in the intervening 30 years to get themselves up to speed and Ofwat havent pressured them.
    That reminds me of the famous exchange between a boss and a cleaner:

    Boss: 'My desk looks as if it hasn't been dusted for a month!'

    Cleaner: 'Don't blame me, I only started a fortnight ago.'

    If after 30 years they haven't taken the trouble to check what they are responsible for, they've shown zero responsibility and deserve what they're about to get.
    It's not just Thames it's all the water utilities. When I was running a team of field engineers in the water industry several times a year we would have a call out for a facility nobody knew anything about. The industry worked on a let it break down basis rather than preventative maintenance. As a result some of the breakdowns were in places which were as much of a surprise to the utility as us.
    I think it all stems from a different era when you needed paperwork and an office full of filing cabinet to record what you owned so it was easier not to bother because when you sent an engineer out you didn't want to waste hours looking things up first easier all round to just get on with it.

    And then I think many firms haven't bothered doing an asset identification project because the few that have didn't see much benefit from the millions of pounds spent identifying the assets.
    I'd add in that there was a human factor with lot of knowledge in peoples heads. When they left or were made redundant the knowledge went with them.
    +1 the local engineers would know where everything is and what it was but there was never time or interest to document it..
    Also the industry was fragmented. Lots of small to giant municipal schemes no doubt with their own filing systems. I have no idea how well they were married together, or even when.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,651
    edited August 8
    DavidL said:

    eek said:

    DougSeal said:

    I’ve emotionally gone from being mentally and emotionally reconciled to a Trump win to having hope that Harris actually might do it. Sadly it’s the hope that kills you.

    I actually think that Harris will do it as much because all the energy seems to have drained from DonOLD Trump...
    Its weird (to choose a word) and being noticed that his rallies have fizzled down to almost nothing, that in several states he doesn't have offices and that his advertising is much reduced. I am not one to criticise spending money on lawyers, we deserve your cash, but it does look as if there is comparatively little money left once that has been done.
    "...spending money on lawyers, we deserve your cash, but it does look as if there is comparatively little money left once that has been done."

    Isn't that always the case? ;-)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jarndyce_and_Jarndyce
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,053
    eek said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Surreal.

    The investigation reveals that in 2022, Thames Water informed Ofwat it had discovered 312 storm overflows it didn’t know existed and hadn’t been monitoring.

    https://www.itv.com/news/2024-08-06/thames-water-discovers-312-storm-overflows-it-didnt-know-it-had

    How is it that all these privatised utilities are so mind-bendingly incompetent? That's almost as bad as British Gas.

    To be fair, they have a large number of installations of which they know very little, this is a legacy from when they were a public utility and the record keeping was crap, On the other hand they have done very little in the intervening 30 years to get themselves up to speed and Ofwat havent pressured them.
    That reminds me of the famous exchange between a boss and a cleaner:

    Boss: 'My desk looks as if it hasn't been dusted for a month!'

    Cleaner: 'Don't blame me, I only started a fortnight ago.'

    If after 30 years they haven't taken the trouble to check what they are responsible for, they've shown zero responsibility and deserve what they're about to get.
    It's not just Thames it's all the water utilities. When I was running a team of field engineers in the water industry several times a year we would have a call out for a facility nobody knew anything about. The industry worked on a let it break down basis rather than preventative maintenance. As a result some of the breakdowns were in places which were as much of a surprise to the utility as us.
    I think it all stems from a different era when you needed paperwork and an office full of filing cabinet to record what you owned so it was easier not to bother because when you sent an engineer out you didn't want to waste hours looking things up first easier all round to just get on with it.

    And then I think many firms haven't bothered doing an asset identification project because the few that have didn't see much benefit from the millions of pounds spent identifying the assets.
    They were interested only in the liquid assets that they could siphon out of the company.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,798
    edited August 8

    DavidL said:

    eek said:

    DougSeal said:

    I’ve emotionally gone from being mentally and emotionally reconciled to a Trump win to having hope that Harris actually might do it. Sadly it’s the hope that kills you.

    I actually think that Harris will do it as much because all the energy seems to have drained from DonOLD Trump...
    Its weird (to choose a word) and being noticed that his rallies have fizzled down to almost nothing, that in several states he doesn't have offices and that his advertising is much reduced. I am not one to criticise spending money on lawyers, we deserve your cash, but it does look as if there is comparatively little money left once that has been done.
    "...spending money on lawyers, we deserve your cash, but it does look as if there is comparatively little money left once that has been done."

    Isn't that always the case? ;-)
    There is a brilliant comment on actions of multiplepoinding (which deal with sums claimed by various parties) that if there is any of the principal sum left it is clear that there is a step in procedure that has been missed!
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,351
    Foxy said:

    DavidL said:

    DougSeal said:

    ydoethur said:

    DougSeal said:

    I’ve emotionally gone from being mentally and emotionally reconciled to a Trump win to having hope that Harris actually might do it. Sadly it’s the hope that kills you.

    *Raises eyebrows*

    Has Governor Walz's daughter taken up a new career?
    You’re going to have to explain that one to me.
    Suggesting the utterly charming Hope Walz has taken up the job of a hit man.
    Did you see Walz bigging up his daughter?

    https://x.com/CarolineFenyo/status/1821249666660655538?t=RIUnr-JZfBESPO16Ob68fg&s=19

    That's one proud Centrist Dad.
    It might even be that it's the Hope that kills Trump (metaphorically speaking)!
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,362

    The chancellor, Rachel Reeves, met the bosses of Canada’s big retirement schemes in Toronto on Wednesday, prompting speculation that Labour is planning to bring the country’s public pension model to the UK.

    https://www.theguardian.com/money/article/2024/aug/07/why-does-rachel-reeves-want-to-copy-canadas-pensions-model

    Thames Water is a third owned by Ontario Municipal Employees Retirement Scheme.

    Presumably this would be for the public sector and their pensions.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541

    DougSeal said:

    Meanwhile

    Home Secretary Yvette Cooper and Chief Whip Alan Campbell ordered Labour MPs not to go to anti-fascist demonstrations.

    For safety. Because MPs were being specifically targeted online. But, hey, why let your morning dopamine hate rush be spoiled by actual facts?
    Actual facts haven't bothered SKS fans before.

    They have stoked racism by their Bangladeshi go home comments and now the taxpayer is picking up the massive police bill as a consequence of the inevitable thickos on the streets
    Good God, we are going to have to put up with at least 5 years of this (possibly 10-15 years), aren't we? Until Labour loses and BJO can be happy again.
    So you approve of Bangladeshis go home rhetoric and can see no li nk whatsoever to where we are now?

    I approve of an actual Labour government not giving an inch compared to a Sunak government that would have caved to appease Reform.

    Corbyn failed to beat the Tories twice. If he had been electable we would not have had the Tory anti-immigration rhetoric that led to this. Corbyn was responsible because of his abject failure to beat the right on two different occasions. The Rwanda scheme would never have happened if he was even slightly electable. The Tories were there for the taking in 2017 and he fucked it up and doubled down on his failure in 2019.

    There is no point in taking to you. Take up meditation, prayer, yoga, your visceral hatred of one man is not healthy and, in truth, verges on concerning. You have issues on issues.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,363
    Carnyx said:

    eek said:

    eek said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Surreal.

    The investigation reveals that in 2022, Thames Water informed Ofwat it had discovered 312 storm overflows it didn’t know existed and hadn’t been monitoring.

    https://www.itv.com/news/2024-08-06/thames-water-discovers-312-storm-overflows-it-didnt-know-it-had

    How is it that all these privatised utilities are so mind-bendingly incompetent? That's almost as bad as British Gas.

    To be fair, they have a large number of installations of which they know very little, this is a legacy from when they were a public utility and the record keeping was crap, On the other hand they have done very little in the intervening 30 years to get themselves up to speed and Ofwat havent pressured them.
    That reminds me of the famous exchange between a boss and a cleaner:

    Boss: 'My desk looks as if it hasn't been dusted for a month!'

    Cleaner: 'Don't blame me, I only started a fortnight ago.'

    If after 30 years they haven't taken the trouble to check what they are responsible for, they've shown zero responsibility and deserve what they're about to get.
    It's not just Thames it's all the water utilities. When I was running a team of field engineers in the water industry several times a year we would have a call out for a facility nobody knew anything about. The industry worked on a let it break down basis rather than preventative maintenance. As a result some of the breakdowns were in places which were as much of a surprise to the utility as us.
    I think it all stems from a different era when you needed paperwork and an office full of filing cabinet to record what you owned so it was easier not to bother because when you sent an engineer out you didn't want to waste hours looking things up first easier all round to just get on with it.

    And then I think many firms haven't bothered doing an asset identification project because the few that have didn't see much benefit from the millions of pounds spent identifying the assets.
    I'd add in that there was a human factor with lot of knowledge in peoples heads. When they left or were made redundant the knowledge went with them.
    +1 the local engineers would know where everything is and what it was but there was never time or interest to document it..
    Also the industry was fragmented. Lots of small to giant municipal schemes no doubt with their own filing systems. I have no idea how well they were married together, or even when.
    And the document filed probably only related to reality on the day their were drawn - from that point the unchanged document and reality would have completely diverged.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,798
    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    DougSeal said:

    ydoethur said:

    DougSeal said:

    I’ve emotionally gone from being mentally and emotionally reconciled to a Trump win to having hope that Harris actually might do it. Sadly it’s the hope that kills you.

    *Raises eyebrows*

    Has Governor Walz's daughter taken up a new career?
    You’re going to have to explain that one to me.
    Suggesting the utterly charming Hope Walz has taken up the job of a hit man.
    Er...surely she would be a hit woman?

    (She's brilliant in those videos with her dad though. They're hilarious.)
    She is. They obviously have a brilliant relationship which reflects very well on him.

    And the point that she was born as a result of IVF treatment which the extremists in the Republican party would basically ban on the basis that anyone who disposed of any of the eggs harvested for it would be guilty of murder is something we are going to hear quite a lot about too.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,585
    Some bizarre life choices revealed here:

    https://www.theguardian.com/money/article/2024/aug/04/id-be-better-off-if-i-hadnt-been-to-uni-uk-graduates-tell-of-lives-burdened-by-student-loans

    but this must be the worst:

    Lucy, from Shenfield, Essex – who was the first in her family to go to university, gaining a maths degree in 2007 – worked briefly in graduate roles as a transport planner and in private equity. But on an annual salary of £20,000, she felt her student debt was hanging over her. She moved back to her parents’ house and has been in part-time minimum-wage jobs since she was 25. For the past six years, she has been a taxi controller, earning £19,000 last year.

    “My student debt makes me not want to earn more, as my equivalent rate of tax would be 38%,” she said. “I see not repaying my loan as an act of defiance.”


  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,580

    eek said:

    DougSeal said:

    I’ve emotionally gone from being mentally and emotionally reconciled to a Trump win to having hope that Harris actually might do it. Sadly it’s the hope that kills you.

    I actually think that Harris will do it as much because all the energy seems to have drained from DonOLD Trump...
    Trump has been steadily declining since 2016.

    Understandably so given the ageing and stress he has suffered.

    Its only because US politics is so filled with senile dodderers that it hasn't been so noticeable.
    Nikki Haley shortening to 65 on Betfair. Worth a small punt?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,814

    DavidL said:

    eek said:

    DougSeal said:

    I’ve emotionally gone from being mentally and emotionally reconciled to a Trump win to having hope that Harris actually might do it. Sadly it’s the hope that kills you.

    I actually think that Harris will do it as much because all the energy seems to have drained from DonOLD Trump...
    Its weird (to choose a word) and being noticed that his rallies have fizzled down to almost nothing, that in several states he doesn't have offices and that his advertising is much reduced. I am not one to criticise spending money on lawyers, we deserve your cash, but it does look as if there is comparatively little money left once that has been done.
    "...spending money on lawyers, we deserve your cash, but it does look as if there is comparatively little money left once that has been done."

    Isn't that always the case? ;-)
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    and forms of procedure in this great cause, there has been expended
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    moment. ** Excuse me, our time presses. Do I understand that
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  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,068
    Nigelb said:

    I disagree with the header.
    I don't think it's a 50/50 race anymore.

    At the moment, it's between a narrow win and a big win.

    It needs to be a big win to not be 50/50, given the potential for political resistance to a small victory backed up by some violence.

    I would not want to be an honest election official in Arizona, Georgia, or Wisconsin right now. There will be so much political pressure if the result is close.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,549

    eek said:

    DougSeal said:

    I’ve emotionally gone from being mentally and emotionally reconciled to a Trump win to having hope that Harris actually might do it. Sadly it’s the hope that kills you.

    I actually think that Harris will do it as much because all the energy seems to have drained from DonOLD Trump...
    Trump has been steadily declining since 2016.

    Understandably so given the ageing and stress he has suffered.

    Its only because US politics is so filled with senile dodderers that it hasn't been so noticeable.
    If Trump keels over from all that stress before the election, then the Republicans have - gulp - Vance as their offering.
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