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Understanding the rise of Kamala Harris – politicalbetting.com

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edited August 26 in General
Understanding the rise of Kamala Harris – politicalbetting.com

Harris is rebuilding the Dem coalition. @daniella_raz and I wrote about her dramatic polling turnaround: https://t.co/ITtBTFtmCbHarris outperforms Biden in net favourability among those who are under 30 (+24), black (+24), liberal (+21), hispanic (+19) pic.twitter.com/oWzJmqdtMv

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  • MisterBedfordshireMisterBedfordshire Posts: 2,252
    edited August 2
    Report that Council tax bands to be replaced by 0.5% tax on property value, uprated annually to reflect value increases.

    Interestingly my own council tax would be identical, almost to the pound.

    All tbose in the blue wall who voted Libdem and Labour will be foaming with outrage though.

    Original source appears to be Birmingham Mail article dated 1st August.

    https://x.com/DrHoenderkamp/status/1819119306271039679.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,672
    Yes, I must admit I've been surprised.

    As Clinton surprised on the downside maybe she'll surprise on the upside.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,672
    On topic, I'm not sure I see a huge amount of value in current odds.

    It's probably a market I'll come back to after the summer.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,987
    Meanwhile:

    Global stock markets have plunged amid fears that the US Federal Reserve has left it too late to begin cutting interest rates and risks damaging the world’s largest economy.

    “Shares tumbled in Asia, with Japan’s Nikkei 225 index closing down 2,216.63 points - its second-largest points drop in history - after weaker than expected US factory data showed output dropped to an eight-month low in July amid a slump in new orders.

    “Federal Reserve chairman Jerome Powell indicated on Wednesday that a first interest rate cut could come in September as policymakers held interest rates at 23-year highs of 5.25pc to 5.5pc.

    “However, markets in Hong Kong, South Korea, China and Australia all dropped sharply as traders priced in that the Fed will be forced to cut interest rates at all three of its remaining meetings this year.”


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/08/02/ftse-100-markets-latest-news-stock-sell-off-interest-rates/
  • Report that Council tax bands to be replaced by 0.5% tax on property value, uprated annually to reflect value increases.

    Interestingly my own council tax would be identical, almost to the pound.

    All tbose in the blue wall who voted Libdem and Labour will be foaming with outragen though

    Original source appears to be Birmingham Mail article dated 1st August

    https://x.com/DrHoenderkamp/status/1819119306271039679.


    Believe it when I see it. That would be very "brave".
    To be fair it would also be more just, however you would need transitional relief for several years to avoid bankrupting a lot of people in ordinary houses in London that have increased in value extraordinarily.

    The biggest flaw though seems to be that it would be national, so councils would get what they are given from a government pot with few fund raising powers of their own.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,014
    I think people were underestimating how far Biden was behind because we didn't want it to be true and despise Trump. But the lead was very substantial and almost certainly decisive without a change in the race.

    This very considerable Harris surge has wiped out that advantage so it is currently too close to call. The question is, what happens next? Can Harris keep this momentum up? She has not been a great campaigner in the past but her messaging has been well honed so far. A good VP choice compared to Vance (anything smarter than my daughter's cat) and a strong Convention speech are the next steps.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,987

    Meanwhile, US National debt up from $35 Trillion to $35.1 Trillion.

    £100 billion in three days.

    (source - national debt tweets)

    Bidenomics in full effect.

    https://x.com/nationaldebt/status/1819117710493589649
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,987

    Report that Council tax bands to be replaced by 0.5% tax on property value, uprated annually to reflect value increases.

    Interestingly my own council tax would be identical, almost to the pound.

    All tbose in the blue wall who voted Libdem and Labour will be foaming with outragen though

    Original source appears to be Birmingham Mail article dated 1st August

    https://x.com/DrHoenderkamp/status/1819119306271039679.


    Believe it when I see it. That would be very "brave".
    To be fair it would also be more just, however you would need transitional relief for several years to avoid bankrupting a lot of people in ordinary houses in London that have increased in value extraordinarily.

    The biggest flaw though seems to be that it would be national, so councils would get what they are given from a government pot with few fund raising powers of their own.
    I was somewhat alone on here the other day, when suggesting that any reform of property taxes needs to be kept local, with councils deciding how much they need to raise and setting rates appropriately.

    Anything based on a national scale of property prices is going to be completely unworkable, and make it pretty much impossible for millions of key workers to live anywhere near London and the home counties.
  • Sandpit said:

    Meanwhile:

    Global stock markets have plunged amid fears that the US Federal Reserve has left it too late to begin cutting interest rates and risks damaging the world’s largest economy.

    “Shares tumbled in Asia, with Japan’s Nikkei 225 index closing down 2,216.63 points - its second-largest points drop in history - after weaker than expected US factory data showed output dropped to an eight-month low in July amid a slump in new orders.

    “Federal Reserve chairman Jerome Powell indicated on Wednesday that a first interest rate cut could come in September as policymakers held interest rates at 23-year highs of 5.25pc to 5.5pc.

    “However, markets in Hong Kong, South Korea, China and Australia all dropped sharply as traders priced in that the Fed will be forced to cut interest rates at all three of its remaining meetings this year.”


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/08/02/ftse-100-markets-latest-news-stock-sell-off-interest-rates/

    Bank of Japan increased their interest rates by 0.25%.

    If share prices depend on artificially low interest rates then they are not sustainable.

    The BoE I suspect will regret this cut before too long (which only went through on a 5-4 vote).
  • Ooooh I was First. TSE deleted his Test post.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,716

    Report that Council tax bands to be replaced by 0.5% tax on property value, uprated annually to reflect value increases.

    Interestingly my own council tax would be identical, almost to the pound.

    All tbose in the blue wall who voted Libdem and Labour will be foaming with outrage though.

    Original source appears to be Birmingham Mail article dated 1st August.

    https://x.com/DrHoenderkamp/status/1819119306271039679.

    The Birmingham Mail is essentially a different label for my own local paper here in Staffs.

    It prints many things.

    Approximately 1% come true, but I've always thought that was by happy accident.
  • I don't think today is going to be a good day for the equity markets.

    CHIP GIANT INTEL HAS JUST SUSPENDED ITS DIVIDEND AND PLANS TO LAYOFF ANOTHER 19,000 EMPLOYEES IN ORDER TO SAVE MONEY

    https://x.com/gurgavin/status/1819106499899412646.

    (ps - not fake news, other sources reporting the same).
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,120
    Great picture of the contrasting styles at the Olympics. The Turkish guy won silver oozing cool.



  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,716
    If you were to reform council tax, the logical thing to do would be to abandon rateable value and have a flat rate of so much per square metre, set by the council.

    That would be simple, quick, fairly cheap to administer and although there would inevitably be grumbling it's difficult to imagine many people would get seriously worked up over it.

    Trying to do it on market value when there are so many variables and indeed variations is a bad idea.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,716
    On topic, surely as much as anything else this is relief? Finally, a candidate who is not about 107 (Biden) mad as a box of frogs (Kennedy) or both (Trump).

    Haley was quite right when she identified that as the key problem with this race and the major turnoff for voters. If only the Republicans had had the sense to listen to her.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,958
    Ugh.

    Delhi Capitals owners agree £120m deal to buy majority share in Hampshire

    Exclusive: Hampshire will become first county owned by an overseas franchise should the purchase be ratified by the ECB


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2024/08/01/delhi-capitals-owners-agree-deal-buy-shares-hampshire-ipl/
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,175

    Sandpit said:

    Meanwhile:

    Global stock markets have plunged amid fears that the US Federal Reserve has left it too late to begin cutting interest rates and risks damaging the world’s largest economy.

    “Shares tumbled in Asia, with Japan’s Nikkei 225 index closing down 2,216.63 points - its second-largest points drop in history - after weaker than expected US factory data showed output dropped to an eight-month low in July amid a slump in new orders.

    “Federal Reserve chairman Jerome Powell indicated on Wednesday that a first interest rate cut could come in September as policymakers held interest rates at 23-year highs of 5.25pc to 5.5pc.

    “However, markets in Hong Kong, South Korea, China and Australia all dropped sharply as traders priced in that the Fed will be forced to cut interest rates at all three of its remaining meetings this year.”


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/08/02/ftse-100-markets-latest-news-stock-sell-off-interest-rates/

    Bank of Japan increased their interest rates by 0.25%.

    If share prices depend on artificially low interest rates then they are not sustainable.

    The BoE I suspect will regret this cut before too long (which only went through on a 5-4 vote).

    Sandpit said:

    Meanwhile:

    Global stock markets have plunged amid fears that the US Federal Reserve has left it too late to begin cutting interest rates and risks damaging the world’s largest economy.

    “Shares tumbled in Asia, with Japan’s Nikkei 225 index closing down 2,216.63 points - its second-largest points drop in history - after weaker than expected US factory data showed output dropped to an eight-month low in July amid a slump in new orders.

    “Federal Reserve chairman Jerome Powell indicated on Wednesday that a first interest rate cut could come in September as policymakers held interest rates at 23-year highs of 5.25pc to 5.5pc.

    “However, markets in Hong Kong, South Korea, China and Australia all dropped sharply as traders priced in that the Fed will be forced to cut interest rates at all three of its remaining meetings this year.”


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/08/02/ftse-100-markets-latest-news-stock-sell-off-interest-rates/

    Bank of Japan increased their interest rates by 0.25%.

    If share prices depend on artificially low interest rates then they are not sustainable.

    The BoE I suspect will regret this cut before too long (which only went through on a 5-4 vote).
    Will they ?
    If, as widely predicted, the Fed cuts rates soon, Japan's decision is irrelevant to us.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 28,404

    Ugh.

    Delhi Capitals owners agree £120m deal to buy majority share in Hampshire

    Exclusive: Hampshire will become first county owned by an overseas franchise should the purchase be ratified by the ECB


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2024/08/01/delhi-capitals-owners-agree-deal-buy-shares-hampshire-ipl/

    Football clubs, cricket counties, water boards. Broken Britain is for sale.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,120
    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Meanwhile:

    Global stock markets have plunged amid fears that the US Federal Reserve has left it too late to begin cutting interest rates and risks damaging the world’s largest economy.

    “Shares tumbled in Asia, with Japan’s Nikkei 225 index closing down 2,216.63 points - its second-largest points drop in history - after weaker than expected US factory data showed output dropped to an eight-month low in July amid a slump in new orders.

    “Federal Reserve chairman Jerome Powell indicated on Wednesday that a first interest rate cut could come in September as policymakers held interest rates at 23-year highs of 5.25pc to 5.5pc.

    “However, markets in Hong Kong, South Korea, China and Australia all dropped sharply as traders priced in that the Fed will be forced to cut interest rates at all three of its remaining meetings this year.”


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/08/02/ftse-100-markets-latest-news-stock-sell-off-interest-rates/

    Bank of Japan increased their interest rates by 0.25%.

    If share prices depend on artificially low interest rates then they are not sustainable.

    The BoE I suspect will regret this cut before too long (which only went through on a 5-4 vote).

    Sandpit said:

    Meanwhile:

    Global stock markets have plunged amid fears that the US Federal Reserve has left it too late to begin cutting interest rates and risks damaging the world’s largest economy.

    “Shares tumbled in Asia, with Japan’s Nikkei 225 index closing down 2,216.63 points - its second-largest points drop in history - after weaker than expected US factory data showed output dropped to an eight-month low in July amid a slump in new orders.

    “Federal Reserve chairman Jerome Powell indicated on Wednesday that a first interest rate cut could come in September as policymakers held interest rates at 23-year highs of 5.25pc to 5.5pc.

    “However, markets in Hong Kong, South Korea, China and Australia all dropped sharply as traders priced in that the Fed will be forced to cut interest rates at all three of its remaining meetings this year.”


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/08/02/ftse-100-markets-latest-news-stock-sell-off-interest-rates/

    Bank of Japan increased their interest rates by 0.25%.

    If share prices depend on artificially low interest rates then they are not sustainable.

    The BoE I suspect will regret this cut before too long (which only went through on a 5-4 vote).
    Will they ?
    If, as widely predicted, the Fed cuts rates soon, Japan's decision is irrelevant to us.
    I don't think it is just Thames Water out there carrying a lot of corporate debt, with only low interest rates making it viable. The tide is going out on cheap money.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,970

    Ugh.

    Delhi Capitals owners agree £120m deal to buy majority share in Hampshire

    Exclusive: Hampshire will become first county owned by an overseas franchise should the purchase be ratified by the ECB


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2024/08/01/delhi-capitals-owners-agree-deal-buy-shares-hampshire-ipl/

    ....and what do I hear for Hartlepool......that's 50p at the back of the room...
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,120

    Ugh.

    Delhi Capitals owners agree £120m deal to buy majority share in Hampshire

    Exclusive: Hampshire will become first county owned by an overseas franchise should the purchase be ratified by the ECB


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2024/08/01/delhi-capitals-owners-agree-deal-buy-shares-hampshire-ipl/

    Football clubs, cricket counties, water boards. Broken Britain is for sale.
    It's how we fund the trade deficit. Selling off the family silver for imported tat.
  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,189
    ydoethur said:

    On topic, surely as much as anything else this is relief? Finally, a candidate who is not about 107 (Biden) mad as a box of frogs (Kennedy) or both (Trump).

    Haley was quite right when she identified that as the key problem with this race and the major turnoff for voters. If only the Republicans had had the sense to listen to her.

    Relief is part of it. I think some of it is that there was some pent up demand for a more assertive approach to Trump and Harris has come out on fire which has juiced up the relief effect.

    Once she has gone with the obvious veep pick and named Shapiro she will have another political flamethrower on the ticket. Plus the lineup of surrogates like Kelly, Big Gretch and others probably play into a more vigorous campaign better than a Biden effort.

    For sure the GOP are likely to refine their attacks, but the effect has been to make the contest a more even fight and Trump always has a tendency to think he’s entitled. Hence his pisspoor performance at the NABJ, so I’d expect more whining of the “if I lose they will have cheated” variety.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,515

    Sandpit said:

    Meanwhile:

    Global stock markets have plunged amid fears that the US Federal Reserve has left it too late to begin cutting interest rates and risks damaging the world’s largest economy.

    “Shares tumbled in Asia, with Japan’s Nikkei 225 index closing down 2,216.63 points - its second-largest points drop in history - after weaker than expected US factory data showed output dropped to an eight-month low in July amid a slump in new orders.

    “Federal Reserve chairman Jerome Powell indicated on Wednesday that a first interest rate cut could come in September as policymakers held interest rates at 23-year highs of 5.25pc to 5.5pc.

    “However, markets in Hong Kong, South Korea, China and Australia all dropped sharply as traders priced in that the Fed will be forced to cut interest rates at all three of its remaining meetings this year.”


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/08/02/ftse-100-markets-latest-news-stock-sell-off-interest-rates/

    Bank of Japan increased their interest rates by 0.25%.

    If share prices depend on artificially low interest rates then they are not sustainable.

    The BoE I suspect will regret this cut before too long (which only went through on a 5-4 vote).
    Increased by 0.25% to 0.25%… So still much lower than the Bank of England.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 6,916
    People didn’t want a Trump v Biden rematch and are rewarding the side that didn’t give it to them.

    As has been posted many times on here, Nikki Haley’s prediction of the winner being the one who realised this and jettisoned their presumptive candidate is looking prescient.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,014
    Nigelb said:

    DavidL said:

    I think people were underestimating how far Biden was behind because we didn't want it to be true and despise Trump. But the lead was very substantial and almost certainly decisive without a change in the race.

    This very considerable Harris surge has wiped out that advantage so it is currently too close to call. The question is, what happens next? Can Harris keep this momentum up? She has not been a great campaigner in the past but her messaging has been well honed so far. A good VP choice compared to Vance (anything smarter than my daughter's cat) and a strong Convention speech are the next steps.

    She's a very different campaigner than her 2020 incarnation.

    One thing less widely remarked on is that she's abandoned the traditional Democratic cringe; the stay out of the fray, "when they go low, we go high" nonsense.

    The big non-secret of Trump's political success is his use of humour. Harris is beating him at his own game. And Vance is another target of that, who hasn't a clue how to respond.
    She certainly isn't scared to laugh and tell a joke, I agree. And her adverts so far have been punchy.

    When you look at her choices for VP, Shapiro, Kelly, Walz, Buttigieg etc the Democrats have a lot more talent and capability available to them than a GOP where anyone not willing to bow down to Trump has been run out of town. In hindsight someone really should have had a word with Biden a year earlier. I am still not sure she would have come through an open primary and if she had it would have hardened her.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,585
    ydoethur said:

    If you were to reform council tax, the logical thing to do would be to abandon rateable value and have a flat rate of so much per square metre, set by the council.

    That would be simple, quick, fairly cheap to administer and although there would inevitably be grumbling it's difficult to imagine many people would get seriously worked up over it.

    Trying to do it on market value when there are so many variables and indeed variations is a bad idea.

    No it wouldn't - the EPC figures for size are hopelessly inaccurate.

    As I've pointed out before the only figure that is easily accessible is price sold - so we should be using that.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,175
    ‘Humongous’ fort found in Wales may disprove theory of Celtic-Roman peace
    Site in Pembrokeshire suggests area was more militarised than previously thought, says expert who made discovery
    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/aug/02/humongous-fort-found-in-wales-may-disprove-theory-of-celtic-roman-peace
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,716
    eek said:

    ydoethur said:

    If you were to reform council tax, the logical thing to do would be to abandon rateable value and have a flat rate of so much per square metre, set by the council.

    That would be simple, quick, fairly cheap to administer and although there would inevitably be grumbling it's difficult to imagine many people would get seriously worked up over it.

    Trying to do it on market value when there are so many variables and indeed variations is a bad idea.

    No it wouldn't - the EPC figures for size are hopelessly inaccurate.

    As I've pointed out before the only figure that is easily accessible is price sold - so we should be using that.
    The Land Registry at least should have the correct figures for size.
  • ydoethur said:

    eek said:

    ydoethur said:

    If you were to reform council tax, the logical thing to do would be to abandon rateable value and have a flat rate of so much per square metre, set by the council.

    That would be simple, quick, fairly cheap to administer and although there would inevitably be grumbling it's difficult to imagine many people would get seriously worked up over it.

    Trying to do it on market value when there are so many variables and indeed variations is a bad idea.

    No it wouldn't - the EPC figures for size are hopelessly inaccurate.

    As I've pointed out before the only figure that is easily accessible is price sold - so we should be using that.
    The Land Registry at least should have the correct figures for size.
    Other than extensions.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,515
    ydoethur said:

    eek said:

    ydoethur said:

    If you were to reform council tax, the logical thing to do would be to abandon rateable value and have a flat rate of so much per square metre, set by the council.

    That would be simple, quick, fairly cheap to administer and although there would inevitably be grumbling it's difficult to imagine many people would get seriously worked up over it.

    Trying to do it on market value when there are so many variables and indeed variations is a bad idea.

    No it wouldn't - the EPC figures for size are hopelessly inaccurate.

    As I've pointed out before the only figure that is easily accessible is price sold - so we should be using that.
    The Land Registry at least should have the correct figures for size.
    I don’t think they have that information
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,942
    edited August 2

    Report that Council tax bands to be replaced by 0.5% tax on property value, uprated annually to reflect value increases.

    Interestingly my own council tax would be identical, almost to the pound.

    All tbose in the blue wall who voted Libdem and Labour will be foaming with outrage though.

    Original source appears to be Birmingham Mail article dated 1st August.

    https://x.com/DrHoenderkamp/status/1819119306271039679.

    That would be a cut for me (though not applicable in Scotland unless there is some quirk of reserved powers).

    This was always how a land/wealth/housing tax would be introduced - via council tax. Wonder how you'd redistribute all the Kensington revenues?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,014
    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Meanwhile:

    Global stock markets have plunged amid fears that the US Federal Reserve has left it too late to begin cutting interest rates and risks damaging the world’s largest economy.

    “Shares tumbled in Asia, with Japan’s Nikkei 225 index closing down 2,216.63 points - its second-largest points drop in history - after weaker than expected US factory data showed output dropped to an eight-month low in July amid a slump in new orders.

    “Federal Reserve chairman Jerome Powell indicated on Wednesday that a first interest rate cut could come in September as policymakers held interest rates at 23-year highs of 5.25pc to 5.5pc.

    “However, markets in Hong Kong, South Korea, China and Australia all dropped sharply as traders priced in that the Fed will be forced to cut interest rates at all three of its remaining meetings this year.”


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/08/02/ftse-100-markets-latest-news-stock-sell-off-interest-rates/

    Bank of Japan increased their interest rates by 0.25%.

    If share prices depend on artificially low interest rates then they are not sustainable.

    The BoE I suspect will regret this cut before too long (which only went through on a 5-4 vote).

    Sandpit said:

    Meanwhile:

    Global stock markets have plunged amid fears that the US Federal Reserve has left it too late to begin cutting interest rates and risks damaging the world’s largest economy.

    “Shares tumbled in Asia, with Japan’s Nikkei 225 index closing down 2,216.63 points - its second-largest points drop in history - after weaker than expected US factory data showed output dropped to an eight-month low in July amid a slump in new orders.

    “Federal Reserve chairman Jerome Powell indicated on Wednesday that a first interest rate cut could come in September as policymakers held interest rates at 23-year highs of 5.25pc to 5.5pc.

    “However, markets in Hong Kong, South Korea, China and Australia all dropped sharply as traders priced in that the Fed will be forced to cut interest rates at all three of its remaining meetings this year.”


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/08/02/ftse-100-markets-latest-news-stock-sell-off-interest-rates/

    Bank of Japan increased their interest rates by 0.25%.

    If share prices depend on artificially low interest rates then they are not sustainable.

    The BoE I suspect will regret this cut before too long (which only went through on a 5-4 vote).
    Will they ?
    If, as widely predicted, the Fed cuts rates soon, Japan's decision is irrelevant to us.
    It is the BoJ decision that has driven the market fall there. Economies, like ours, which are riddled with debt at every level are extremely sensitive to interest rates.

    I am an inflation hawk and was severely critical of the slowness with which the BoE increased rates when facing an inflationary bubble but I think that they have got this one about right. Real interest rates are generally a good thing for a society encouraging savings and hence investment rather than consumption but its a good thing you can have too much of and 5.25% when inflation is back to 2% risks causing an unnecessary slow down.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,175
    DavidL said:

    Nigelb said:

    DavidL said:

    I think people were underestimating how far Biden was behind because we didn't want it to be true and despise Trump. But the lead was very substantial and almost certainly decisive without a change in the race.

    This very considerable Harris surge has wiped out that advantage so it is currently too close to call. The question is, what happens next? Can Harris keep this momentum up? She has not been a great campaigner in the past but her messaging has been well honed so far. A good VP choice compared to Vance (anything smarter than my daughter's cat) and a strong Convention speech are the next steps.

    She's a very different campaigner than her 2020 incarnation.

    One thing less widely remarked on is that she's abandoned the traditional Democratic cringe; the stay out of the fray, "when they go low, we go high" nonsense.

    The big non-secret of Trump's political success is his use of humour. Harris is beating him at his own game. And Vance is another target of that, who hasn't a clue how to respond.
    She certainly isn't scared to laugh and tell a joke, I agree. And her adverts so far have been punchy.

    When you look at her choices for VP, Shapiro, Kelly, Walz, Buttigieg etc the Democrats have a lot more talent and capability available to them than a GOP where anyone not willing to bow down to Trump has been run out of town. In hindsight someone really should have had a word with Biden a year earlier. I am still not sure she would have come through an open primary and if she had it would have hardened her.
    The other positive this week is, of course, the news of the hostage deal.
    It cuts the ground out beneath the accusations of covering up for a President no longer capable of discharging his office.

    Again, Trump's responses to it are so ridiculous, it's clear he was neither expecting it, nor has the grace to acknowledge the good news.
  • Report that Council tax bands to be replaced by 0.5% tax on property value, uprated annually to reflect value increases.

    Interestingly my own council tax would be identical, almost to the pound.

    All tbose in the blue wall who voted Libdem and Labour will be foaming with outrage though.

    Original source appears to be Birmingham Mail article dated 1st August.

    https://x.com/DrHoenderkamp/status/1819119306271039679.

    A fantastically good idea to have property tax be a percentage of value and not arbitrary bands which are decades out of date and vary inconsistently across the country.

    As is done in many countries including America.

    But 0.5% is a big tax increase. I believe 0.3% would suffice to replace Council Tax.

    It should replace Stamp Duty too. Abolish SDLT and Council Tax and put both taxes into an annual tax.

    It should also ideally be on land value and not property value - those who are sitting on land that could be built on but has not been should pay the same tax as those whose land has been built on. It would also mean taxes for eg apartments are miniscule, which is not a self-interested objective I hate apartments and live in a house, but those in apartments are taking a miniscule proportion of land so fair's fair.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,507

    Ugh.

    Delhi Capitals owners agree £120m deal to buy majority share in Hampshire

    Exclusive: Hampshire will become first county owned by an overseas franchise should the purchase be ratified by the ECB


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2024/08/01/delhi-capitals-owners-agree-deal-buy-shares-hampshire-ipl/

    Do they not want to buy a Hundred franchise instead ;-)
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,887
    edited August 2

    Report that Council tax bands to be replaced by 0.5% tax on property value, uprated annually to reflect value increases.

    Interestingly my own council tax would be identical, almost to the pound.

    All tbose in the blue wall who voted Libdem and Labour will be foaming with outrage though.

    Original source appears to be Birmingham Mail article dated 1st August.

    https://x.com/DrHoenderkamp/status/1819119306271039679.

    That's very interesting - something I have been arguing for for several years on PB. It's an element of the Proportional Property tax proposals. For me it is also neutral, with potential impacts depending on how they handle rentals, which are most of my pension.

    One elements that is perhaps interesting is whether they will pick up other elements of the proposals, one of which is abolition of Stamp Duty. That would help sell it in the South.

    It's a modest shift from tax on income to tax on capital, and should in some measure address untaxed, unearned gains in property value, so should help iron out a number of inefficient parts of the property market - for example making it a little more persuasive for people to leave a larger property they no longer need.

    There may also be a modest check on over-inflation of property values caused by current tax system structure.

    Interesting replies, capturing it well:
    - So a house that was £500,000 20 years ago and is now £1.5m will cost £625 a month!!
    - Sounds fair to me, own a expensive home then pay an equal amount to someone who hasn't been able access a time machine and got back to when a home in London was affordable and not 10 times average wages.
    - So Mabel and Fred who live in their marital home that they bought for £4000 and it’s now worth £1m but they can barely afford to heat it it just cough up. You are kind..
    - Mabel and Fred got lucky and have a £1 million asset. Mabel and Fred are in fact doing fine
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,312
    Foxy said:

    Great picture of the contrasting styles at the Olympics. The Turkish guy won silver oozing cool.



    Nah, he's a professional. Gendarmerie apparently. That's not cool, he's a trained killer. I would guess the hand in the back pocket is for stance and balance, not casualness
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,014
    Eabhal said:

    Report that Council tax bands to be replaced by 0.5% tax on property value, uprated annually to reflect value increases.

    Interestingly my own council tax would be identical, almost to the pound.

    All tbose in the blue wall who voted Libdem and Labour will be foaming with outrage though.

    Original source appears to be Birmingham Mail article dated 1st August.

    https://x.com/DrHoenderkamp/status/1819119306271039679.

    That would be a cut for me (though not applicable in Scotland unless there is some quirk of reserved powers).

    This was always how a land/wealth/housing tax would be introduced - via council tax. Wonder how you'd redistribute all the Kensington revenues?
    I think it would be a cut for me too which perhaps reflects the much lower property values in Scotland outside some property hot spots.

    But your last point shows the flaw in this. The distortions in values means that southern England would be paying multiples of more tax than the north or Scotland. Where is the equity in that?
  • eekeek Posts: 28,585

    Report that Council tax bands to be replaced by 0.5% tax on property value, uprated annually to reflect value increases.

    Interestingly my own council tax would be identical, almost to the pound.

    All tbose in the blue wall who voted Libdem and Labour will be foaming with outrage though.

    Original source appears to be Birmingham Mail article dated 1st August.

    https://x.com/DrHoenderkamp/status/1819119306271039679.

    A fantastically good idea to have property tax be a percentage of value and not arbitrary bands which are decades out of date and vary inconsistently across the country.

    As is done in many countries including America.

    But 0.5% is a big tax increase. I believe 0.3% would suffice to replace Council Tax.

    It should replace Stamp Duty too. Abolish SDLT and Council Tax and put both taxes into an annual tax.

    It should also ideally be on land value and not property value - those who are sitting on land that could be built on but has not been should pay the same tax as those whose land has been built on. It would also mean taxes for eg apartments are miniscule, which is not a self-interested objective I hate apartments and live in a house, but those in apartments are taking a miniscule proportion of land so fair's fair.
    That's a very complex task - while uprated sold house price is the easiest thing in the world to administer - because disputes are virtually impossible - the house is taxed at the value of £x because that's what you bought it for.
  • Report that Council tax bands to be replaced by 0.5% tax on property value, uprated annually to reflect value increases.

    Interestingly my own council tax would be identical, almost to the pound.

    All tbose in the blue wall who voted Libdem and Labour will be foaming with outragen though

    Original source appears to be Birmingham Mail article dated 1st August

    https://x.com/DrHoenderkamp/status/1819119306271039679.


    Believe it when I see it. That would be very "brave".
    To be fair it would also be more just, however you would need transitional relief for several years to avoid bankrupting a lot of people in ordinary houses in London that have increased in value extraordinarily.

    The biggest flaw though seems to be that it would be national, so councils would get what they are given from a government pot with few fund raising powers of their own.
    Given almost all Council expenditure goes on centrally-dictated obligations, such as care or SEN etc, I have no objections to that.

    Local fundraising should fund local choices, of which there seem to be very few nowadays anyway, so what difference does it make?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,175
    The Arizona count is going to be a shitshow this year.

    Across Arizona, Republican officials who defended election system lose primaries
    GOP voters back candidates who questioned past voting results, instead of incumbents who resisted party pressure, initial results show.
    https://www.votebeat.org/arizona/2024/07/31/republicans-defending-elections-lose-arizona-primary/
  • eek said:

    Report that Council tax bands to be replaced by 0.5% tax on property value, uprated annually to reflect value increases.

    Interestingly my own council tax would be identical, almost to the pound.

    All tbose in the blue wall who voted Libdem and Labour will be foaming with outrage though.

    Original source appears to be Birmingham Mail article dated 1st August.

    https://x.com/DrHoenderkamp/status/1819119306271039679.

    A fantastically good idea to have property tax be a percentage of value and not arbitrary bands which are decades out of date and vary inconsistently across the country.

    As is done in many countries including America.

    But 0.5% is a big tax increase. I believe 0.3% would suffice to replace Council Tax.

    It should replace Stamp Duty too. Abolish SDLT and Council Tax and put both taxes into an annual tax.

    It should also ideally be on land value and not property value - those who are sitting on land that could be built on but has not been should pay the same tax as those whose land has been built on. It would also mean taxes for eg apartments are miniscule, which is not a self-interested objective I hate apartments and live in a house, but those in apartments are taking a miniscule proportion of land so fair's fair.
    That's a very complex task - while uprated sold house price is the easiest thing in the world to administer - because disputes are virtually impossible - the house is taxed at the value of £x because that's what you bought it for.
    Complex is no excuse. Stuff is complex but still needs doing.

    And purchase price can't be the right price to use because are you proposing that someone who moved into a property 40 years ago pays lower taxes than the person who moved in to the same style of house next door yesterday?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,608

    I don't think today is going to be a good day for the equity markets.

    CHIP GIANT INTEL HAS JUST SUSPENDED ITS DIVIDEND AND PLANS TO LAYOFF ANOTHER 19,000 EMPLOYEES IN ORDER TO SAVE MONEY

    https://x.com/gurgavin/status/1819106499899412646.

    (ps - not fake news, other sources reporting the same).

    Intel is getting whooped by AMD, ARM and the like. Short Intel has been one of my core positions this year.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,942
    DavidL said:

    Eabhal said:

    Report that Council tax bands to be replaced by 0.5% tax on property value, uprated annually to reflect value increases.

    Interestingly my own council tax would be identical, almost to the pound.

    All tbose in the blue wall who voted Libdem and Labour will be foaming with outrage though.

    Original source appears to be Birmingham Mail article dated 1st August.

    https://x.com/DrHoenderkamp/status/1819119306271039679.

    That would be a cut for me (though not applicable in Scotland unless there is some quirk of reserved powers).

    This was always how a land/wealth/housing tax would be introduced - via council tax. Wonder how you'd redistribute all the Kensington revenues?
    I think it would be a cut for me too which perhaps reflects the much lower property values in Scotland outside some property hot spots.

    But your last point shows the flaw in this. The distortions in values means that southern England would be paying multiples of more tax than the north or Scotland. Where is the equity in that?
    In the absence of capital investment or other economic intervention, it's called "levelling up".

    (Or perhaps "down" if you're a Tory)
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,507
    edited August 2
    rcs1000 said:

    I don't think today is going to be a good day for the equity markets.

    CHIP GIANT INTEL HAS JUST SUSPENDED ITS DIVIDEND AND PLANS TO LAYOFF ANOTHER 19,000 EMPLOYEES IN ORDER TO SAVE MONEY

    https://x.com/gurgavin/status/1819106499899412646.

    (ps - not fake news, other sources reporting the same).

    Intel is getting whooped by AMD, ARM and the like. Short Intel has been one of my core positions this year.
    They missed the boat on the new trend in low power, long lasting chips for laptops and their attempts at a dedicated graphics card to challenge Nvidia and AMD has failed miserably.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,934

    People didn’t want a Trump v Biden rematch and are rewarding the side that didn’t give it to them.

    As has been posted many times on here, Nikki Haley’s prediction of the winner being the one who realised this and jettisoned their presumptive candidate is looking prescient.

    Except, as much as it was in Haley's interest, she knew Trump was never going to be jettisoned, so hardly being prescient.

    And when Harris wins in November, it won't help Haley for 2028. She might have been right in suggesting Trump would be beaten. But nobody likes a smart arse. And MAGA hates one.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,507
    edited August 2
    Eabhal said:

    DavidL said:

    Eabhal said:

    Report that Council tax bands to be replaced by 0.5% tax on property value, uprated annually to reflect value increases.

    Interestingly my own council tax would be identical, almost to the pound.

    All tbose in the blue wall who voted Libdem and Labour will be foaming with outrage though.

    Original source appears to be Birmingham Mail article dated 1st August.

    https://x.com/DrHoenderkamp/status/1819119306271039679.

    That would be a cut for me (though not applicable in Scotland unless there is some quirk of reserved powers).

    This was always how a land/wealth/housing tax would be introduced - via council tax. Wonder how you'd redistribute all the Kensington revenues?
    I think it would be a cut for me too which perhaps reflects the much lower property values in Scotland outside some property hot spots.

    But your last point shows the flaw in this. The distortions in values means that southern England would be paying multiples of more tax than the north or Scotland. Where is the equity in that?
    In the absence of capital investment or other economic intervention, it's called "levelling up".

    (Or perhaps "down" if you're a Tory)
    Given all the cuts to future infrastructure projects in just a few weeks, levelling up is definitely dead. Oh well, some people got some stone chessboards (no pieces mind you) in a park.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,942
    edited August 2

    Report that Council tax bands to be replaced by 0.5% tax on property value, uprated annually to reflect value increases.

    Interestingly my own council tax would be identical, almost to the pound.

    All tbose in the blue wall who voted Libdem and Labour will be foaming with outragen though

    Original source appears to be Birmingham Mail article dated 1st August

    https://x.com/DrHoenderkamp/status/1819119306271039679.


    Believe it when I see it. That would be very "brave".
    To be fair it would also be more just, however you would need transitional relief for several years to avoid bankrupting a lot of people in ordinary houses in London that have increased in value extraordinarily.

    The biggest flaw though seems to be that it would be national, so councils would get what they are given from a government pot with few fund raising powers of their own.
    Given almost all Council expenditure goes on centrally-dictated obligations, such as care or SEN etc, I have no objections to that.

    Local fundraising should fund local choices, of which there seem to be very few nowadays anyway, so what difference does it make?
    Basically why councils are ******. Real terms cuts to grants, additional obligations, frozen council tax, essentials collapse (see the state of our pavements). It all ends up as central government costs as they pick up the pieces (eg pensioner trips on dodgy paving stone).
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,608
    Foxy said:

    Great picture of the contrasting styles at the Olympics. The Turkish guy won silver oozing cool.



    He only took up shooting recently, and because he was in the middle of a nasty divorce. His wife told him he'd never amount to anything.

    I'm not joking.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,046

    Foxy said:

    Great picture of the contrasting styles at the Olympics. The Turkish guy won silver oozing cool.



    Nah, he's a professional. Gendarmerie apparently. That's not cool, he's a trained killer. I would guess the hand in the back pocket is for stance and balance, not casualness
    Plus the picture of Kim Ye-Ji is not at the Olympics.

    Still cool as fuck, tho'.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,887
    ydoethur said:

    If you were to reform council tax, the logical thing to do would be to abandon rateable value and have a flat rate of so much per square metre, set by the council.

    That would be simple, quick, fairly cheap to administer and although there would inevitably be grumbling it's difficult to imagine many people would get seriously worked up over it.

    Trying to do it on market value when there are so many variables and indeed variations is a bad idea.

    I'd say that market value is far easier, and is a publicly testable number. Floor area is a festival of categories and technical detail; we see that just in floor area numbers in property reports, or in legal actions around minimum room sizes in landlord licensing regulations from Councils.

    After all, Council tax bands are based on property values circa 1991.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,987
    DavidL said:

    Eabhal said:

    Report that Council tax bands to be replaced by 0.5% tax on property value, uprated annually to reflect value increases.

    Interestingly my own council tax would be identical, almost to the pound.

    All tbose in the blue wall who voted Libdem and Labour will be foaming with outrage though.

    Original source appears to be Birmingham Mail article dated 1st August.

    https://x.com/DrHoenderkamp/status/1819119306271039679.

    That would be a cut for me (though not applicable in Scotland unless there is some quirk of reserved powers).

    This was always how a land/wealth/housing tax would be introduced - via council tax. Wonder how you'd redistribute all the Kensington revenues?
    I think it would be a cut for me too which perhaps reflects the much lower property values in Scotland outside some property hot spots.

    But your last point shows the flaw in this. The distortions in values means that southern England would be paying multiples of more tax than the north or Scotland. Where is the equity in that?
    Surely your property tax would be a matter for the Scottish Government?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,934
    edited August 2

    Foxy said:

    Great picture of the contrasting styles at the Olympics. The Turkish guy won silver oozing cool.



    Nah, he's a professional. Gendarmerie apparently. That's not cool, he's a trained killer. I would guess the hand in the back pocket is for stance and balance, not casualness
    If Tarantino did an Olympics movie...

    He could call it "Turkey Shoot".
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,507
    edited August 2
    I am genuinely confused by Labour cuts to all these infrastructure projects. The mandate wasn't Tory 2010, it was build / growth. If I remember correctly their own fiscal rules allowed for borrowing for infrastructure and one big thing government can do to "level up" is build the infrastructure (and these days that includes compute power) to attract business. Its not like we don't need more hospitals, schools, rail, roads, AI compute.

    It was also why Tory levelling up was nonsense as they just randomly threw money all over the place at far too many seemingly nothing projects.

    But the signals from government aren't we think a few of these projects are a bit daft e.g. Stone Henge tunnel, we have identified different priorities, it seems just ban everything.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,608

    rcs1000 said:

    I don't think today is going to be a good day for the equity markets.

    CHIP GIANT INTEL HAS JUST SUSPENDED ITS DIVIDEND AND PLANS TO LAYOFF ANOTHER 19,000 EMPLOYEES IN ORDER TO SAVE MONEY

    https://x.com/gurgavin/status/1819106499899412646.

    (ps - not fake news, other sources reporting the same).

    Intel is getting whooped by AMD, ARM and the like. Short Intel has been one of my core positions this year.
    They missed the boat on the new trend in low power, long lasting chips for laptops and their attempts at a dedicated graphics card to challenge Nvidia and AMD has failed miserably.
    I hear the Arc graphics chipset is actually halfway decent. It's just several years too late.

    And PCs are going ARM too. I have a new Surface Pro with the Qualcomm Snapdragon and it's amazing. Great battery life and decent performance, even when emulating.

    When native ARM64 binaries become commonplace, Intel is going to be in big trouble.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,887
    Eabhal said:

    Report that Council tax bands to be replaced by 0.5% tax on property value, uprated annually to reflect value increases.

    Interestingly my own council tax would be identical, almost to the pound.

    All tbose in the blue wall who voted Libdem and Labour will be foaming with outragen though

    Original source appears to be Birmingham Mail article dated 1st August

    https://x.com/DrHoenderkamp/status/1819119306271039679.


    Believe it when I see it. That would be very "brave".
    To be fair it would also be more just, however you would need transitional relief for several years to avoid bankrupting a lot of people in ordinary houses in London that have increased in value extraordinarily.

    The biggest flaw though seems to be that it would be national, so councils would get what they are given from a government pot with few fund raising powers of their own.
    Given almost all Council expenditure goes on centrally-dictated obligations, such as care or SEN etc, I have no objections to that.

    Local fundraising should fund local choices, of which there seem to be very few nowadays anyway, so what difference does it make?
    Basically why councils are ******. Real terms cuts to grants, additional obligations, frozen council tax, essentials collapse (see the state of our pavements). It all ends up as central government costs as they pick up the pieces (eg pensioner trips on dodgy paving stone).
    That ****** is quite ambiguous if the stars are not counted.

    Is is (rhyming slang) Councils are "ducked" or Councils are "punts"?
  • Sandpit said:

    Report that Council tax bands to be replaced by 0.5% tax on property value, uprated annually to reflect value increases.

    Interestingly my own council tax would be identical, almost to the pound.

    All tbose in the blue wall who voted Libdem and Labour will be foaming with outragen though

    Original source appears to be Birmingham Mail article dated 1st August

    https://x.com/DrHoenderkamp/status/1819119306271039679.


    Believe it when I see it. That would be very "brave".
    To be fair it would also be more just, however you would need transitional relief for several years to avoid bankrupting a lot of people in ordinary houses in London that have increased in value extraordinarily.

    The biggest flaw though seems to be that it would be national, so councils would get what they are given from a government pot with few fund raising powers of their own.
    I was somewhat alone on here the other day, when suggesting that any reform of property taxes needs to be kept local, with councils deciding how much they need to raise and setting rates appropriately.

    Anything based on a national scale of property prices is going to be completely unworkable, and make it pretty much impossible for millions of key workers to live anywhere near London and the home counties.
    Missing the fact that property prices in London and the Home Counties already make it impossible so no change happens.

    Your suggestion was a key worker renting (not owning) a million pound property would be forced into a HMO instead. There is no possible way for a key worker to rent a million pound property and not be in a HMO already today! Because of the property prices being so high.

    If a tax like this means that people are no longer incentivised to object to construction in order to inflate their property prices - because if they do, they're inflating their own taxes so that's counterproductive - then that will make it easier not harder to get places for those key workers to live.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,507
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I don't think today is going to be a good day for the equity markets.

    CHIP GIANT INTEL HAS JUST SUSPENDED ITS DIVIDEND AND PLANS TO LAYOFF ANOTHER 19,000 EMPLOYEES IN ORDER TO SAVE MONEY

    https://x.com/gurgavin/status/1819106499899412646.

    (ps - not fake news, other sources reporting the same).

    Intel is getting whooped by AMD, ARM and the like. Short Intel has been one of my core positions this year.
    They missed the boat on the new trend in low power, long lasting chips for laptops and their attempts at a dedicated graphics card to challenge Nvidia and AMD has failed miserably.
    I hear the Arc graphics chipset is actually halfway decent. It's just several years too late.

    And PCs are going ARM too. I have a new Surface Pro with the Qualcomm Snapdragon and it's amazing. Great battery life and decent performance, even when emulating.

    When native ARM64 binaries become commonplace, Intel is going to be in big trouble.
    The problem is ARC being half way decent is in a market place where NVidia produce face meltingly powerful stuff and AMD can already provide you one step down for very very reasonable prices.

    As for ARM, I was never a Apple / Mac fanboi, but I have an M2 laptop now and the battery level is game changing. A whole day out and about and never worry once about needing to charge and its super lightweight to carry around, so much so I sometimes worry I have lost it as can't feel it in my bag.
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,030
    rcs1000 said:

    Foxy said:

    Great picture of the contrasting styles at the Olympics. The Turkish guy won silver oozing cool.



    He only took up shooting recently, and because he was in the middle of a nasty divorce. His wife told him he'd never amount to anything.

    I'm not joking.
    He has the look of one of those bank managers who, in 1941, managed to reinvent himself as a competent and successful commando.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,950
    Nothing I like more than trying to get a code for my phone which doesn't go through, and then being unable to file the problem as my phone number is apparently invalid. Tried just about every permutation of the phone number I can think of (international, so I know it's 44 at the start then axing the first 0).

    ....


    I fucking hate mobile telephones.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,958
    edited August 2

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I don't think today is going to be a good day for the equity markets.

    CHIP GIANT INTEL HAS JUST SUSPENDED ITS DIVIDEND AND PLANS TO LAYOFF ANOTHER 19,000 EMPLOYEES IN ORDER TO SAVE MONEY

    https://x.com/gurgavin/status/1819106499899412646.

    (ps - not fake news, other sources reporting the same).

    Intel is getting whooped by AMD, ARM and the like. Short Intel has been one of my core positions this year.
    They missed the boat on the new trend in low power, long lasting chips for laptops and their attempts at a dedicated graphics card to challenge Nvidia and AMD has failed miserably.
    I hear the Arc graphics chipset is actually halfway decent. It's just several years too late.

    And PCs are going ARM too. I have a new Surface Pro with the Qualcomm Snapdragon and it's amazing. Great battery life and decent performance, even when emulating.

    When native ARM64 binaries become commonplace, Intel is going to be in big trouble.
    The problem is ARC being half way decent is in a market place where NVidia produce face meltingly powerful stuff and AMD can already provide you one step down for very very reasonable prices.

    As for ARM, I was never a Apple / Mac fanboi, but I have an M2 laptop now and the battery level is game changing. A whole day out and about and never worry once about needing to charge and its super lightweight to carry around, so much so I sometimes worry I have lost it as can't feel it in my bag.
    I was pricing up a new MacBook with M3 Max, I think my specs came to over £7,000, on the website it said starting price £1,699.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,405

    Report that Council tax bands to be replaced by 0.5% tax on property value, uprated annually to reflect value increases.

    Interestingly my own council tax would be identical, almost to the pound.

    All tbose in the blue wall who voted Libdem and Labour will be foaming with outrage though.

    Original source appears to be Birmingham Mail article dated 1st August.

    https://x.com/DrHoenderkamp/status/1819119306271039679.

    0.5% would be about a £900 reduction for me.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,014
    Sandpit said:

    DavidL said:

    Eabhal said:

    Report that Council tax bands to be replaced by 0.5% tax on property value, uprated annually to reflect value increases.

    Interestingly my own council tax would be identical, almost to the pound.

    All tbose in the blue wall who voted Libdem and Labour will be foaming with outrage though.

    Original source appears to be Birmingham Mail article dated 1st August.

    https://x.com/DrHoenderkamp/status/1819119306271039679.

    That would be a cut for me (though not applicable in Scotland unless there is some quirk of reserved powers).

    This was always how a land/wealth/housing tax would be introduced - via council tax. Wonder how you'd redistribute all the Kensington revenues?
    I think it would be a cut for me too which perhaps reflects the much lower property values in Scotland outside some property hot spots.

    But your last point shows the flaw in this. The distortions in values means that southern England would be paying multiples of more tax than the north or Scotland. Where is the equity in that?
    Surely your property tax would be a matter for the Scottish Government?
    Yes, but we are discussing a percentage of value as opposed to the current council tax bands. And if I lived in the north of England the problem would be the same. A national percentage cannot work in a country whose property market has become so distorted unless the percentage is fixed locally in the same way as Council tax is.

    In London the average house now costs in excess of £630k. You probably wouldn't need more than 0.1% with such values.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,507

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I don't think today is going to be a good day for the equity markets.

    CHIP GIANT INTEL HAS JUST SUSPENDED ITS DIVIDEND AND PLANS TO LAYOFF ANOTHER 19,000 EMPLOYEES IN ORDER TO SAVE MONEY

    https://x.com/gurgavin/status/1819106499899412646.

    (ps - not fake news, other sources reporting the same).

    Intel is getting whooped by AMD, ARM and the like. Short Intel has been one of my core positions this year.
    They missed the boat on the new trend in low power, long lasting chips for laptops and their attempts at a dedicated graphics card to challenge Nvidia and AMD has failed miserably.
    I hear the Arc graphics chipset is actually halfway decent. It's just several years too late.

    And PCs are going ARM too. I have a new Surface Pro with the Qualcomm Snapdragon and it's amazing. Great battery life and decent performance, even when emulating.

    When native ARM64 binaries become commonplace, Intel is going to be in big trouble.
    The problem is ARC being half way decent is in a market place where NVidia produce face meltingly powerful stuff and AMD can already provide you one step down for very very reasonable prices.

    As for ARM, I was never a Apple / Mac fanboi, but I have an M2 laptop now and the battery level is game changing. A whole day out and about and never worry once about needing to charge and its super lightweight to carry around, so much so I sometimes worry I have lost it as can't feel it in my bag.
    I was pricing up a new MacBook with M3 Max, I think my specs came to over £7,000, on the website it said starting price £1,699.
    Do you really need the gold plated of gold plating?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,507
    edited August 2
    Thought was interesting how fast Starmer has pushed for expanded use of facial recognition. Labour party have historically been somewhere between very wary and absolutely against use of this technology, suggesting its a bit like stop and search, where issues with racial profiling etc.
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,932

    Nothing I like more than trying to get a code for my phone which doesn't go through, and then being unable to file the problem as my phone number is apparently invalid. Tried just about every permutation of the phone number I can think of (international, so I know it's 44 at the start then axing the first 0).

    ....


    I fucking hate mobile telephones.

    Do you need the '+' before the 44?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,958

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I don't think today is going to be a good day for the equity markets.

    CHIP GIANT INTEL HAS JUST SUSPENDED ITS DIVIDEND AND PLANS TO LAYOFF ANOTHER 19,000 EMPLOYEES IN ORDER TO SAVE MONEY

    https://x.com/gurgavin/status/1819106499899412646.

    (ps - not fake news, other sources reporting the same).

    Intel is getting whooped by AMD, ARM and the like. Short Intel has been one of my core positions this year.
    They missed the boat on the new trend in low power, long lasting chips for laptops and their attempts at a dedicated graphics card to challenge Nvidia and AMD has failed miserably.
    I hear the Arc graphics chipset is actually halfway decent. It's just several years too late.

    And PCs are going ARM too. I have a new Surface Pro with the Qualcomm Snapdragon and it's amazing. Great battery life and decent performance, even when emulating.

    When native ARM64 binaries become commonplace, Intel is going to be in big trouble.
    The problem is ARC being half way decent is in a market place where NVidia produce face meltingly powerful stuff and AMD can already provide you one step down for very very reasonable prices.

    As for ARM, I was never a Apple / Mac fanboi, but I have an M2 laptop now and the battery level is game changing. A whole day out and about and never worry once about needing to charge and its super lightweight to carry around, so much so I sometimes worry I have lost it as can't feel it in my bag.
    I was pricing up a new MacBook with M3 Max, I think my specs came to over £7,000, on the website it said starting price £1,699.
    Do you really need the gold plated of gold plating?
    I am sure I need 128 GB of RAM and a 8 TB hard drive.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,046

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I don't think today is going to be a good day for the equity markets.

    CHIP GIANT INTEL HAS JUST SUSPENDED ITS DIVIDEND AND PLANS TO LAYOFF ANOTHER 19,000 EMPLOYEES IN ORDER TO SAVE MONEY

    https://x.com/gurgavin/status/1819106499899412646.

    (ps - not fake news, other sources reporting the same).

    Intel is getting whooped by AMD, ARM and the like. Short Intel has been one of my core positions this year.
    They missed the boat on the new trend in low power, long lasting chips for laptops and their attempts at a dedicated graphics card to challenge Nvidia and AMD has failed miserably.
    I hear the Arc graphics chipset is actually halfway decent. It's just several years too late.

    And PCs are going ARM too. I have a new Surface Pro with the Qualcomm Snapdragon and it's amazing. Great battery life and decent performance, even when emulating.

    When native ARM64 binaries become commonplace, Intel is going to be in big trouble.
    The problem is ARC being half way decent is in a market place where NVidia produce face meltingly powerful stuff and AMD can already provide you one step down for very very reasonable prices.

    As for ARM, I was never a Apple / Mac fanboi, but I have an M2 laptop now and the battery level is game changing. A whole day out and about and never worry once about needing to charge and its super lightweight to carry around, so much so I sometimes worry I have lost it as can't feel it in my bag.
    I was pricing up a new MacBook with M3 Max, I think my specs came to over £7,000, on the website it said starting price £1,699.
    Makes sense. The Ryanair of laptops.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,446

    Ugh.

    Delhi Capitals owners agree £120m deal to buy majority share in Hampshire

    Exclusive: Hampshire will become first county owned by an overseas franchise should the purchase be ratified by the ECB


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2024/08/01/delhi-capitals-owners-agree-deal-buy-shares-hampshire-ipl/

    Do they not want to buy a Hundred franchise instead ;-)
    If it's Hampshire, doesn't a chunk of Southern Brave get thrown in?
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,950
    Mr. Song, tried removing that, didn't work.

    Finally got it. As well as no + they also needed no spaces, despite indicating that was needed, and no brackets, despite asking for them. Awesome descriptive work. All I had to do was ignore everything they asked for.

    Jesus. *sighs*
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,942
    DavidL said:

    Sandpit said:

    DavidL said:

    Eabhal said:

    Report that Council tax bands to be replaced by 0.5% tax on property value, uprated annually to reflect value increases.

    Interestingly my own council tax would be identical, almost to the pound.

    All tbose in the blue wall who voted Libdem and Labour will be foaming with outrage though.

    Original source appears to be Birmingham Mail article dated 1st August.

    https://x.com/DrHoenderkamp/status/1819119306271039679.

    That would be a cut for me (though not applicable in Scotland unless there is some quirk of reserved powers).

    This was always how a land/wealth/housing tax would be introduced - via council tax. Wonder how you'd redistribute all the Kensington revenues?
    I think it would be a cut for me too which perhaps reflects the much lower property values in Scotland outside some property hot spots.

    But your last point shows the flaw in this. The distortions in values means that southern England would be paying multiples of more tax than the north or Scotland. Where is the equity in that?
    Surely your property tax would be a matter for the Scottish Government?
    Yes, but we are discussing a percentage of value as opposed to the current council tax bands. And if I lived in the north of England the problem would be the same. A national percentage cannot work in a country whose property market has become so distorted unless the percentage is fixed locally in the same way as Council tax is.

    In London the average house now costs in excess of £630k. You probably wouldn't need more than 0.1% with such values.
    Wouldn't such a tax help with that distortion by making housing in other areas relatively more attractive? It depends whether you see it as broader intervention or just a way for councils to raise revenue.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,507
    edited August 2

    Ugh.

    Delhi Capitals owners agree £120m deal to buy majority share in Hampshire

    Exclusive: Hampshire will become first county owned by an overseas franchise should the purchase be ratified by the ECB


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2024/08/01/delhi-capitals-owners-agree-deal-buy-shares-hampshire-ipl/

    Do they not want to buy a Hundred franchise instead ;-)
    If it's Hampshire, doesn't a chunk of Southern Brave get thrown in?
    That must have driven the price down....

    I actually can't remember what the current deal is with Hundred franchises. Currently the ECB subsidise the whole thing to quite a significant extent e.g. in terms of paying wages. I know the ECB proposal is that the counties get 50% stake in whatever they (hope to) sell to outside investors.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,082
    DavidL said:

    I think people were underestimating how far Biden was behind because we didn't want it to be true and despise Trump. But the lead was very substantial and almost certainly decisive without a change in the race.

    This very considerable Harris surge has wiped out that advantage so it is currently too close to call. The question is, what happens next? Can Harris keep this momentum up? She has not been a great campaigner in the past but her messaging has been well honed so far. A good VP choice compared to Vance (anything smarter than my daughter's cat) and a strong Convention speech are the next steps.

    Yes - and I wonder how much of this rise is the return of voters who were pushed away by Biden's issues.

    I think Harris is a middle ranking candidate. Could easily see her as President etc.

    Just that she doesn't have the Reagan/Bill Clinton/Obama "head and shoulders above the rest" thing.
  • DavidL said:

    Sandpit said:

    DavidL said:

    Eabhal said:

    Report that Council tax bands to be replaced by 0.5% tax on property value, uprated annually to reflect value increases.

    Interestingly my own council tax would be identical, almost to the pound.

    All tbose in the blue wall who voted Libdem and Labour will be foaming with outrage though.

    Original source appears to be Birmingham Mail article dated 1st August.

    https://x.com/DrHoenderkamp/status/1819119306271039679.

    That would be a cut for me (though not applicable in Scotland unless there is some quirk of reserved powers).

    This was always how a land/wealth/housing tax would be introduced - via council tax. Wonder how you'd redistribute all the Kensington revenues?
    I think it would be a cut for me too which perhaps reflects the much lower property values in Scotland outside some property hot spots.

    But your last point shows the flaw in this. The distortions in values means that southern England would be paying multiples of more tax than the north or Scotland. Where is the equity in that?
    Surely your property tax would be a matter for the Scottish Government?
    Yes, but we are discussing a percentage of value as opposed to the current council tax bands. And if I lived in the north of England the problem would be the same. A national percentage cannot work in a country whose property market has become so distorted unless the percentage is fixed locally in the same way as Council tax is.

    In London the average house now costs in excess of £630k. You probably wouldn't need more than 0.1% with such values.
    Sure it can work.

    Central government collects the money, then central government distributes the money based on what it has obliged councils to do such as care/SEN etc
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,082
    Foss said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Foxy said:

    Great picture of the contrasting styles at the Olympics. The Turkish guy won silver oozing cool.



    He only took up shooting recently, and because he was in the middle of a nasty divorce. His wife told him he'd never amount to anything.

    I'm not joking.
    He has the look of one of those bank managers who, in 1941, managed to reinvent himself as a competent and successful commando.
    ... in the Artist's Rifles.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,507
    edited August 2
    Sandpit said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I don't think today is going to be a good day for the equity markets.

    CHIP GIANT INTEL HAS JUST SUSPENDED ITS DIVIDEND AND PLANS TO LAYOFF ANOTHER 19,000 EMPLOYEES IN ORDER TO SAVE MONEY

    https://x.com/gurgavin/status/1819106499899412646.

    (ps - not fake news, other sources reporting the same).

    Intel is getting whooped by AMD, ARM and the like. Short Intel has been one of my core positions this year.
    They missed the boat on the new trend in low power, long lasting chips for laptops and their attempts at a dedicated graphics card to challenge Nvidia and AMD has failed miserably.
    I hear the Arc graphics chipset is actually halfway decent. It's just several years too late.

    And PCs are going ARM too. I have a new Surface Pro with the Qualcomm Snapdragon and it's amazing. Great battery life and decent performance, even when emulating.

    When native ARM64 binaries become commonplace, Intel is going to be in big trouble.
    The problem is ARC being half way decent is in a market place where NVidia produce face meltingly powerful stuff and AMD can already provide you one step down for very very reasonable prices.

    As for ARM, I was never a Apple / Mac fanboi, but I have an M2 laptop now and the battery level is game changing. A whole day out and about and never worry once about needing to charge and its super lightweight to carry around, so much so I sometimes worry I have lost it as can't feel it in my bag.
    I was pricing up a new MacBook with M3 Max, I think my specs came to over £7,000, on the website it said starting price £1,699.
    You do know that the £1,699 one will browse your favourite stepmom websites all day with no problem, and unless you’re rendering your own movies in 3D the £7k one is massive overkill?
    Also, the modern compute model is really you use a desktop for grunt (or you use the cloud) and that your laptop is just a really a window into that world.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,446

    DavidL said:

    I think people were underestimating how far Biden was behind because we didn't want it to be true and despise Trump. But the lead was very substantial and almost certainly decisive without a change in the race.

    This very considerable Harris surge has wiped out that advantage so it is currently too close to call. The question is, what happens next? Can Harris keep this momentum up? She has not been a great campaigner in the past but her messaging has been well honed so far. A good VP choice compared to Vance (anything smarter than my daughter's cat) and a strong Convention speech are the next steps.

    Yes - and I wonder how much of this rise is the return of voters who were pushed away by Biden's issues.

    I think Harris is a middle ranking candidate. Could easily see her as President etc.

    Just that she doesn't have the Reagan/Bill Clinton/Obama "head and shoulders above the rest" thing.
    Head, shoulders, knees and toes above the alternative, though.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,014

    DavidL said:

    Sandpit said:

    DavidL said:

    Eabhal said:

    Report that Council tax bands to be replaced by 0.5% tax on property value, uprated annually to reflect value increases.

    Interestingly my own council tax would be identical, almost to the pound.

    All tbose in the blue wall who voted Libdem and Labour will be foaming with outrage though.

    Original source appears to be Birmingham Mail article dated 1st August.

    https://x.com/DrHoenderkamp/status/1819119306271039679.

    That would be a cut for me (though not applicable in Scotland unless there is some quirk of reserved powers).

    This was always how a land/wealth/housing tax would be introduced - via council tax. Wonder how you'd redistribute all the Kensington revenues?
    I think it would be a cut for me too which perhaps reflects the much lower property values in Scotland outside some property hot spots.

    But your last point shows the flaw in this. The distortions in values means that southern England would be paying multiples of more tax than the north or Scotland. Where is the equity in that?
    Surely your property tax would be a matter for the Scottish Government?
    Yes, but we are discussing a percentage of value as opposed to the current council tax bands. And if I lived in the north of England the problem would be the same. A national percentage cannot work in a country whose property market has become so distorted unless the percentage is fixed locally in the same way as Council tax is.

    In London the average house now costs in excess of £630k. You probably wouldn't need more than 0.1% with such values.
    Sure it can work.

    Central government collects the money, then central government distributes the money based on what it has obliged councils to do such as care/SEN etc
    But to take what I thought was your point, why on earth should a care worker in London pay 6x what the care worker in Newcastle pays? Where's the justice in that?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,934
    Ron Filipkowski:

    "I predicted when Harris became the nominee they would go to racism and misogyny, but I didn't think they would fully embrace and revel in it this much this quickly. The lesson is to never underestimate their capacity to reach maximum terrible at warp speed."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEJW4XgCjWQ
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,887
    edited August 2

    Sandpit said:

    Report that Council tax bands to be replaced by 0.5% tax on property value, uprated annually to reflect value increases.

    Interestingly my own council tax would be identical, almost to the pound.

    All tbose in the blue wall who voted Libdem and Labour will be foaming with outragen though

    Original source appears to be Birmingham Mail article dated 1st August

    https://x.com/DrHoenderkamp/status/1819119306271039679.


    Believe it when I see it. That would be very "brave".
    To be fair it would also be more just, however you would need transitional relief for several years to avoid bankrupting a lot of people in ordinary houses in London that have increased in value extraordinarily.

    The biggest flaw though seems to be that it would be national, so councils would get what they are given from a government pot with few fund raising powers of their own.
    I was somewhat alone on here the other day, when suggesting that any reform of property taxes needs to be kept local, with councils deciding how much they need to raise and setting rates appropriately.

    Anything based on a national scale of property prices is going to be completely unworkable, and make it pretty much impossible for millions of key workers to live anywhere near London and the home counties.
    Missing the fact that property prices in London and the Home Counties already make it impossible so no change happens.

    Your suggestion was a key worker renting (not owning) a million pound property would be forced into a HMO instead. There is no possible way for a key worker to rent a million pound property and not be in a HMO already today! Because of the property prices being so high.

    If a tax like this means that people are no longer incentivised to object to construction in order to inflate their property prices - because if they do, they're inflating their own taxes so that's counterproductive - then that will make it easier not harder to get places for those key workers to live.
    I'm lining up with Bart on this one more or less, though we may differ in the details and adjacent values. I'd see this in market terms as less distorting than what we have.

    Fred and Mabel in their smallish house or flat in London, who have had their Council tax suppressed for 20 or 40 years, suddenly see it going up. The other side of that is that they can be seen as having had an unwarranted tax break of £250-£1500 per annum for those years.

    That at least is like question we discussed the other day - if X extends their property, why should the revenue related to that be denied to the local Council until the house is sold. That's just illogical.

    I think a key to implementation would be a benefit on the other side and a modest transition period. I would also hope for house prices somewhat "lower than they would have been under the old ie current system"; if Council Tax is more each year, then that needs to be allowed for in the purchase price. If it's a lower notional value gain since living there, then imo that's no cause for complaint.

    I think addressing Council funding reductions of ~20% in real terms since 2010 is a crucial element, since they are so starved that they have neither the capacity or quality of staff competently to do what we need.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,942
    Sandpit said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I don't think today is going to be a good day for the equity markets.

    CHIP GIANT INTEL HAS JUST SUSPENDED ITS DIVIDEND AND PLANS TO LAYOFF ANOTHER 19,000 EMPLOYEES IN ORDER TO SAVE MONEY

    https://x.com/gurgavin/status/1819106499899412646.

    (ps - not fake news, other sources reporting the same).

    Intel is getting whooped by AMD, ARM and the like. Short Intel has been one of my core positions this year.
    They missed the boat on the new trend in low power, long lasting chips for laptops and their attempts at a dedicated graphics card to challenge Nvidia and AMD has failed miserably.
    I hear the Arc graphics chipset is actually halfway decent. It's just several years too late.

    And PCs are going ARM too. I have a new Surface Pro with the Qualcomm Snapdragon and it's amazing. Great battery life and decent performance, even when emulating.

    When native ARM64 binaries become commonplace, Intel is going to be in big trouble.
    The problem is ARC being half way decent is in a market place where NVidia produce face meltingly powerful stuff and AMD can already provide you one step down for very very reasonable prices.

    As for ARM, I was never a Apple / Mac fanboi, but I have an M2 laptop now and the battery level is game changing. A whole day out and about and never worry once about needing to charge and its super lightweight to carry around, so much so I sometimes worry I have lost it as can't feel it in my bag.
    I was pricing up a new MacBook with M3 Max, I think my specs came to over £7,000, on the website it said starting price £1,699.
    You do know that the £1,699 one will browse your favourite stepmom websites all day with no problem, and unless you’re rendering your own movies in 3D the £7k one is massive overkill?
    I have the base model M2 and it runs PB beautifully
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,987

    Sandpit said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I don't think today is going to be a good day for the equity markets.

    CHIP GIANT INTEL HAS JUST SUSPENDED ITS DIVIDEND AND PLANS TO LAYOFF ANOTHER 19,000 EMPLOYEES IN ORDER TO SAVE MONEY

    https://x.com/gurgavin/status/1819106499899412646.

    (ps - not fake news, other sources reporting the same).

    Intel is getting whooped by AMD, ARM and the like. Short Intel has been one of my core positions this year.
    They missed the boat on the new trend in low power, long lasting chips for laptops and their attempts at a dedicated graphics card to challenge Nvidia and AMD has failed miserably.
    I hear the Arc graphics chipset is actually halfway decent. It's just several years too late.

    And PCs are going ARM too. I have a new Surface Pro with the Qualcomm Snapdragon and it's amazing. Great battery life and decent performance, even when emulating.

    When native ARM64 binaries become commonplace, Intel is going to be in big trouble.
    The problem is ARC being half way decent is in a market place where NVidia produce face meltingly powerful stuff and AMD can already provide you one step down for very very reasonable prices.

    As for ARM, I was never a Apple / Mac fanboi, but I have an M2 laptop now and the battery level is game changing. A whole day out and about and never worry once about needing to charge and its super lightweight to carry around, so much so I sometimes worry I have lost it as can't feel it in my bag.
    I was pricing up a new MacBook with M3 Max, I think my specs came to over £7,000, on the website it said starting price £1,699.
    You do know that the £1,699 one will browse your favourite stepmom websites all day with no problem, and unless you’re rendering your own movies in 3D the £7k one is massive overkill?
    Also, the modern compute model is really you use a desktop for grunt (or you use the cloud) and that your laptop is just a really a window into that world.
    Oh indeed. The £7k MacBook Pro is basically a really expensive but portable workstation. It’s market is going to be limited to consultant movie makers and field photographers - and a bunch of rich idiots who always want the most expensive one for the hell of it.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,046

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I don't think today is going to be a good day for the equity markets.

    CHIP GIANT INTEL HAS JUST SUSPENDED ITS DIVIDEND AND PLANS TO LAYOFF ANOTHER 19,000 EMPLOYEES IN ORDER TO SAVE MONEY

    https://x.com/gurgavin/status/1819106499899412646.

    (ps - not fake news, other sources reporting the same).

    Intel is getting whooped by AMD, ARM and the like. Short Intel has been one of my core positions this year.
    They missed the boat on the new trend in low power, long lasting chips for laptops and their attempts at a dedicated graphics card to challenge Nvidia and AMD has failed miserably.
    I hear the Arc graphics chipset is actually halfway decent. It's just several years too late.

    And PCs are going ARM too. I have a new Surface Pro with the Qualcomm Snapdragon and it's amazing. Great battery life and decent performance, even when emulating.

    When native ARM64 binaries become commonplace, Intel is going to be in big trouble.
    The problem is ARC being half way decent is in a market place where NVidia produce face meltingly powerful stuff and AMD can already provide you one step down for very very reasonable prices.

    As for ARM, I was never a Apple / Mac fanboi, but I have an M2 laptop now and the battery level is game changing. A whole day out and about and never worry once about needing to charge and its super lightweight to carry around, so much so I sometimes worry I have lost it as can't feel it in my bag.
    I was pricing up a new MacBook with M3 Max, I think my specs came to over £7,000, on the website it said starting price £1,699.
    Do you really need the gold plated of gold plating?
    I am sure I need 128 GB of RAM and a 8 TB hard drive.
    8TB of hard drive is a lot of (no doubt sensitive) data to keep on you as you get the bus to work every morning.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,958
    Sandpit said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I don't think today is going to be a good day for the equity markets.

    CHIP GIANT INTEL HAS JUST SUSPENDED ITS DIVIDEND AND PLANS TO LAYOFF ANOTHER 19,000 EMPLOYEES IN ORDER TO SAVE MONEY

    https://x.com/gurgavin/status/1819106499899412646.

    (ps - not fake news, other sources reporting the same).

    Intel is getting whooped by AMD, ARM and the like. Short Intel has been one of my core positions this year.
    They missed the boat on the new trend in low power, long lasting chips for laptops and their attempts at a dedicated graphics card to challenge Nvidia and AMD has failed miserably.
    I hear the Arc graphics chipset is actually halfway decent. It's just several years too late.

    And PCs are going ARM too. I have a new Surface Pro with the Qualcomm Snapdragon and it's amazing. Great battery life and decent performance, even when emulating.

    When native ARM64 binaries become commonplace, Intel is going to be in big trouble.
    The problem is ARC being half way decent is in a market place where NVidia produce face meltingly powerful stuff and AMD can already provide you one step down for very very reasonable prices.

    As for ARM, I was never a Apple / Mac fanboi, but I have an M2 laptop now and the battery level is game changing. A whole day out and about and never worry once about needing to charge and its super lightweight to carry around, so much so I sometimes worry I have lost it as can't feel it in my bag.
    I was pricing up a new MacBook with M3 Max, I think my specs came to over £7,000, on the website it said starting price £1,699.
    You do know that the £1,699 one will browse your favourite stepmom websites all day with no problem, and unless you’re rendering your own movies in 3D the £7k one is massive overkill?
    My strategy with Apple has been to always go for the top end spec machine as that would last me a few years, until recently that led to a max price of £3k so wasn’t an issue.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,942
    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Sandpit said:

    DavidL said:

    Eabhal said:

    Report that Council tax bands to be replaced by 0.5% tax on property value, uprated annually to reflect value increases.

    Interestingly my own council tax would be identical, almost to the pound.

    All tbose in the blue wall who voted Libdem and Labour will be foaming with outrage though.

    Original source appears to be Birmingham Mail article dated 1st August.

    https://x.com/DrHoenderkamp/status/1819119306271039679.

    That would be a cut for me (though not applicable in Scotland unless there is some quirk of reserved powers).

    This was always how a land/wealth/housing tax would be introduced - via council tax. Wonder how you'd redistribute all the Kensington revenues?
    I think it would be a cut for me too which perhaps reflects the much lower property values in Scotland outside some property hot spots.

    But your last point shows the flaw in this. The distortions in values means that southern England would be paying multiples of more tax than the north or Scotland. Where is the equity in that?
    Surely your property tax would be a matter for the Scottish Government?
    Yes, but we are discussing a percentage of value as opposed to the current council tax bands. And if I lived in the north of England the problem would be the same. A national percentage cannot work in a country whose property market has become so distorted unless the percentage is fixed locally in the same way as Council tax is.

    In London the average house now costs in excess of £630k. You probably wouldn't need more than 0.1% with such values.
    Sure it can work.

    Central government collects the money, then central government distributes the money based on what it has obliged councils to do such as care/SEN etc
    But to take what I thought was your point, why on earth should a care worker in London pay 6x what the care worker in Newcastle pays? Where's the justice in that?
    Market rate. We live in the real world.

    But I would invert capital allocations by the same amount. Newcastle gets 6x as much.
  • glwglw Posts: 9,954

    The problem is ARC being half way decent is in a market place where NVidia produce face meltingly powerful stuff and AMD can already provide you one step down for very very reasonable prices.

    As for ARM, I was never a Apple / Mac fanboi, but I have an M2 laptop now and the battery level is game changing. A whole day out and about and never worry once about needing to charge and its super lightweight to carry around, so much so I sometimes worry I have lost it as can't feel it in my bag.

    Intel's Skymont E-core from their Lunar Lake is very impressive. Intel reckon it has about the same IPC as the Redwood Cove P-core if given similar cache and memory subsystems. Intel's big problem is that most of what they are selling isn't the E-cores which look very decent now, but the big and problematic P-cores which are coming to the end of the road.

    Intel needs to swerve their client and enterprise product lines onto the E-cores, and at the same time introduce AVX10 (the sensible AVX-512 rebasing), APX (more registers and three operand instructions), and x86S (cleaning up of legacy x86 system architecture). Pulling off all that will be akin to switching the ISA.

    It's a tall order, and when your fabs are also in a mess, potentially terminal.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,379

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I don't think today is going to be a good day for the equity markets.

    CHIP GIANT INTEL HAS JUST SUSPENDED ITS DIVIDEND AND PLANS TO LAYOFF ANOTHER 19,000 EMPLOYEES IN ORDER TO SAVE MONEY

    https://x.com/gurgavin/status/1819106499899412646.

    (ps - not fake news, other sources reporting the same).

    Intel is getting whooped by AMD, ARM and the like. Short Intel has been one of my core positions this year.
    They missed the boat on the new trend in low power, long lasting chips for laptops and their attempts at a dedicated graphics card to challenge Nvidia and AMD has failed miserably.
    I hear the Arc graphics chipset is actually halfway decent. It's just several years too late.

    And PCs are going ARM too. I have a new Surface Pro with the Qualcomm Snapdragon and it's amazing. Great battery life and decent performance, even when emulating.

    When native ARM64 binaries become commonplace, Intel is going to be in big trouble.
    The problem is ARC being half way decent is in a market place where NVidia produce face meltingly powerful stuff and AMD can already provide you one step down for very very reasonable prices.

    As for ARM, I was never a Apple / Mac fanboi, but I have an M2 laptop now and the battery level is game changing. A whole day out and about and never worry once about needing to charge and its super lightweight to carry around, so much so I sometimes worry I have lost it as can't feel it in my bag.
    I was pricing up a new MacBook with M3 Max, I think my specs came to over £7,000, on the website it said starting price £1,699.
    Do you really need the gold plated of gold plating?
    I am sure I need 128 GB of RAM and a 8 TB hard drive.
    May I suggest MicroDream, a Microsoft certified refurbisher? Sells refurbished laptops at very reasonable prices? Conversely your local computer repair shop (you will have to shop around for the good ones) will buy a refurb and install your 8tb hard drive for you.

    Of course if you will insist on Apple, you're locked out of that ecosystem. 😎

    https://microdream.co.uk/
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,082

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I don't think today is going to be a good day for the equity markets.

    CHIP GIANT INTEL HAS JUST SUSPENDED ITS DIVIDEND AND PLANS TO LAYOFF ANOTHER 19,000 EMPLOYEES IN ORDER TO SAVE MONEY

    https://x.com/gurgavin/status/1819106499899412646.

    (ps - not fake news, other sources reporting the same).

    Intel is getting whooped by AMD, ARM and the like. Short Intel has been one of my core positions this year.
    They missed the boat on the new trend in low power, long lasting chips for laptops and their attempts at a dedicated graphics card to challenge Nvidia and AMD has failed miserably.
    I hear the Arc graphics chipset is actually halfway decent. It's just several years too late.

    And PCs are going ARM too. I have a new Surface Pro with the Qualcomm Snapdragon and it's amazing. Great battery life and decent performance, even when emulating.

    When native ARM64 binaries become commonplace, Intel is going to be in big trouble.
    The problem is ARC being half way decent is in a market place where NVidia produce face meltingly powerful stuff and AMD can already provide you one step down for very very reasonable prices.

    As for ARM, I was never a Apple / Mac fanboi, but I have an M2 laptop now and the battery level is game changing. A whole day out and about and never worry once about needing to charge and its super lightweight to carry around, so much so I sometimes worry I have lost it as can't feel it in my bag.
    I was pricing up a new MacBook with M3 Max, I think my specs came to over £7,000, on the website it said starting price £1,699.
    Unless you are doing some mad levels of local processing, a Mac Pro is overspecc.

    I've run an Oracle database in VirtualBox, multiple other applications and was developing on IntelliJ on a MacAir *Intel*, a while back.

    I've done development (GPU) where I deliberately used 95% of the resources of a machine, in the past. But these days, you mostly hire an Amazon instance for that.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,379
    Sandpit said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I don't think today is going to be a good day for the equity markets.

    CHIP GIANT INTEL HAS JUST SUSPENDED ITS DIVIDEND AND PLANS TO LAYOFF ANOTHER 19,000 EMPLOYEES IN ORDER TO SAVE MONEY

    https://x.com/gurgavin/status/1819106499899412646.

    (ps - not fake news, other sources reporting the same).

    Intel is getting whooped by AMD, ARM and the like. Short Intel has been one of my core positions this year.
    They missed the boat on the new trend in low power, long lasting chips for laptops and their attempts at a dedicated graphics card to challenge Nvidia and AMD has failed miserably.
    I hear the Arc graphics chipset is actually halfway decent. It's just several years too late.

    And PCs are going ARM too. I have a new Surface Pro with the Qualcomm Snapdragon and it's amazing. Great battery life and decent performance, even when emulating.

    When native ARM64 binaries become commonplace, Intel is going to be in big trouble.
    The problem is ARC being half way decent is in a market place where NVidia produce face meltingly powerful stuff and AMD can already provide you one step down for very very reasonable prices.

    As for ARM, I was never a Apple / Mac fanboi, but I have an M2 laptop now and the battery level is game changing. A whole day out and about and never worry once about needing to charge and its super lightweight to carry around, so much so I sometimes worry I have lost it as can't feel it in my bag.
    I was pricing up a new MacBook with M3 Max, I think my specs came to over £7,000, on the website it said starting price £1,699.
    You do know that the £1,699 one will browse your favourite stepmom websites all day with no problem, and unless you’re rendering your own movies in 3D the £7k one is massive overkill?
    I did wonder why the 8tb is for. Complex simulations? Weather predictions? Really long Stepmom movies?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,958
    TOPPING said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I don't think today is going to be a good day for the equity markets.

    CHIP GIANT INTEL HAS JUST SUSPENDED ITS DIVIDEND AND PLANS TO LAYOFF ANOTHER 19,000 EMPLOYEES IN ORDER TO SAVE MONEY

    https://x.com/gurgavin/status/1819106499899412646.

    (ps - not fake news, other sources reporting the same).

    Intel is getting whooped by AMD, ARM and the like. Short Intel has been one of my core positions this year.
    They missed the boat on the new trend in low power, long lasting chips for laptops and their attempts at a dedicated graphics card to challenge Nvidia and AMD has failed miserably.
    I hear the Arc graphics chipset is actually halfway decent. It's just several years too late.

    And PCs are going ARM too. I have a new Surface Pro with the Qualcomm Snapdragon and it's amazing. Great battery life and decent performance, even when emulating.

    When native ARM64 binaries become commonplace, Intel is going to be in big trouble.
    The problem is ARC being half way decent is in a market place where NVidia produce face meltingly powerful stuff and AMD can already provide you one step down for very very reasonable prices.

    As for ARM, I was never a Apple / Mac fanboi, but I have an M2 laptop now and the battery level is game changing. A whole day out and about and never worry once about needing to charge and its super lightweight to carry around, so much so I sometimes worry I have lost it as can't feel it in my bag.
    I was pricing up a new MacBook with M3 Max, I think my specs came to over £7,000, on the website it said starting price £1,699.
    Do you really need the gold plated of gold plating?
    I am sure I need 128 GB of RAM and a 8 TB hard drive.
    8TB of hard drive is a lot of (no doubt sensitive) data to keep on you as you get the bus to work every morning.
    See the issue is my mother loves making videos of her family and she can record in 4K with 60 fps that takes up a lot of hard drive and yours truly has to do the editing.

    Plus whilst I also upload to the cloud I also like to have a physical copy.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,082

    Nothing I like more than trying to get a code for my phone which doesn't go through, and then being unable to file the problem as my phone number is apparently invalid. Tried just about every permutation of the phone number I can think of (international, so I know it's 44 at the start then axing the first 0).

    ....


    I fucking hate mobile telephones.

    In the telephone exchange software, your number is actually registered and supported with the 44. The 0 thing is a short cut that is mapped as an additional option. At least, that's how we used to do it, some years back.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,014

    DavidL said:

    I think people were underestimating how far Biden was behind because we didn't want it to be true and despise Trump. But the lead was very substantial and almost certainly decisive without a change in the race.

    This very considerable Harris surge has wiped out that advantage so it is currently too close to call. The question is, what happens next? Can Harris keep this momentum up? She has not been a great campaigner in the past but her messaging has been well honed so far. A good VP choice compared to Vance (anything smarter than my daughter's cat) and a strong Convention speech are the next steps.

    Yes - and I wonder how much of this rise is the return of voters who were pushed away by Biden's issues.

    I think Harris is a middle ranking candidate. Could easily see her as President etc.

    Just that she doesn't have the Reagan/Bill Clinton/Obama "head and shoulders above the rest" thing.
    I wonder the extent to which she has been getting things done behind the scenes in the last couple of years as Biden faded. She's still not strong on interviews. She is dumping her previous policy positions left, right and centre with barely a backward glance. But she may well have learned a lot on the job, way more than your average VP does.

    This is quite a good article about how she has developed: https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-fight-of-trumps-political-life-strengths-of-kamala-harris-have-become-clearer-cd8622cc?mod=opinion_lead_pos9

    She just might turn into another Truman.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,082

    Foxy said:

    Great picture of the contrasting styles at the Olympics. The Turkish guy won silver oozing cool.



    Nah, he's a professional. Gendarmerie apparently. That's not cool, he's a trained killer. I would guess the hand in the back pocket is for stance and balance, not casualness
    The hand in pocket is standard part of the pose - see a side angle. The lady is doing it as well - she is doing the full version of the stance. He is doing a much more moderate version. It's to do with locking the body in a steady position, IIRC.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,987
    Pulpstar said:

    Report that Council tax bands to be replaced by 0.5% tax on property value, uprated annually to reflect value increases.

    Interestingly my own council tax would be identical, almost to the pound.

    All tbose in the blue wall who voted Libdem and Labour will be foaming with outrage though.

    Original source appears to be Birmingham Mail article dated 1st August.

    https://x.com/DrHoenderkamp/status/1819119306271039679.

    0.5% would be about a £900 reduction for me.
    I'd be down to almost 1/3rd of what I pay now. I'm struggling to be upset.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,984

    Report that Council tax bands to be replaced by 0.5% tax on property value, uprated annually to reflect value increases.

    Interestingly my own council tax would be identical, almost to the pound.

    All tbose in the blue wall who voted Libdem and Labour will be foaming with outrage though.

    Original source appears to be Birmingham Mail article dated 1st August.

    https://x.com/DrHoenderkamp/status/1819119306271039679.

    Bring it on.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,046

    TOPPING said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I don't think today is going to be a good day for the equity markets.

    CHIP GIANT INTEL HAS JUST SUSPENDED ITS DIVIDEND AND PLANS TO LAYOFF ANOTHER 19,000 EMPLOYEES IN ORDER TO SAVE MONEY

    https://x.com/gurgavin/status/1819106499899412646.

    (ps - not fake news, other sources reporting the same).

    Intel is getting whooped by AMD, ARM and the like. Short Intel has been one of my core positions this year.
    They missed the boat on the new trend in low power, long lasting chips for laptops and their attempts at a dedicated graphics card to challenge Nvidia and AMD has failed miserably.
    I hear the Arc graphics chipset is actually halfway decent. It's just several years too late.

    And PCs are going ARM too. I have a new Surface Pro with the Qualcomm Snapdragon and it's amazing. Great battery life and decent performance, even when emulating.

    When native ARM64 binaries become commonplace, Intel is going to be in big trouble.
    The problem is ARC being half way decent is in a market place where NVidia produce face meltingly powerful stuff and AMD can already provide you one step down for very very reasonable prices.

    As for ARM, I was never a Apple / Mac fanboi, but I have an M2 laptop now and the battery level is game changing. A whole day out and about and never worry once about needing to charge and its super lightweight to carry around, so much so I sometimes worry I have lost it as can't feel it in my bag.
    I was pricing up a new MacBook with M3 Max, I think my specs came to over £7,000, on the website it said starting price £1,699.
    Do you really need the gold plated of gold plating?
    I am sure I need 128 GB of RAM and a 8 TB hard drive.
    8TB of hard drive is a lot of (no doubt sensitive) data to keep on you as you get the bus to work every morning.
    See the issue is my mother loves making videos of her family and she can record in 4K with 60 fps that takes up a lot of hard drive and yours truly has to do the editing.

    Plus whilst I also upload to the cloud I also like to have a physical copy.
    1 sec video = 1MB? So nearly 300hrs of birthday parties?
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,987

    TOPPING said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I don't think today is going to be a good day for the equity markets.

    CHIP GIANT INTEL HAS JUST SUSPENDED ITS DIVIDEND AND PLANS TO LAYOFF ANOTHER 19,000 EMPLOYEES IN ORDER TO SAVE MONEY

    https://x.com/gurgavin/status/1819106499899412646.

    (ps - not fake news, other sources reporting the same).

    Intel is getting whooped by AMD, ARM and the like. Short Intel has been one of my core positions this year.
    They missed the boat on the new trend in low power, long lasting chips for laptops and their attempts at a dedicated graphics card to challenge Nvidia and AMD has failed miserably.
    I hear the Arc graphics chipset is actually halfway decent. It's just several years too late.

    And PCs are going ARM too. I have a new Surface Pro with the Qualcomm Snapdragon and it's amazing. Great battery life and decent performance, even when emulating.

    When native ARM64 binaries become commonplace, Intel is going to be in big trouble.
    The problem is ARC being half way decent is in a market place where NVidia produce face meltingly powerful stuff and AMD can already provide you one step down for very very reasonable prices.

    As for ARM, I was never a Apple / Mac fanboi, but I have an M2 laptop now and the battery level is game changing. A whole day out and about and never worry once about needing to charge and its super lightweight to carry around, so much so I sometimes worry I have lost it as can't feel it in my bag.
    I was pricing up a new MacBook with M3 Max, I think my specs came to over £7,000, on the website it said starting price £1,699.
    Do you really need the gold plated of gold plating?
    I am sure I need 128 GB of RAM and a 8 TB hard drive.
    8TB of hard drive is a lot of (no doubt sensitive) data to keep on you as you get the bus to work every morning.
    See the issue is my mother loves making videos of her family and she can record in 4K with 60 fps that takes up a lot of hard drive and yours truly has to do the editing.

    Plus whilst I also upload to the cloud I also like to have a physical copy.
    An external high-speed SSD drive no use? Be a lot cheaper than paying Apple for in-device storage. I have a few SanDisk Extreme's kicking about to shift large files onto.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,958
    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I don't think today is going to be a good day for the equity markets.

    CHIP GIANT INTEL HAS JUST SUSPENDED ITS DIVIDEND AND PLANS TO LAYOFF ANOTHER 19,000 EMPLOYEES IN ORDER TO SAVE MONEY

    https://x.com/gurgavin/status/1819106499899412646.

    (ps - not fake news, other sources reporting the same).

    Intel is getting whooped by AMD, ARM and the like. Short Intel has been one of my core positions this year.
    They missed the boat on the new trend in low power, long lasting chips for laptops and their attempts at a dedicated graphics card to challenge Nvidia and AMD has failed miserably.
    I hear the Arc graphics chipset is actually halfway decent. It's just several years too late.

    And PCs are going ARM too. I have a new Surface Pro with the Qualcomm Snapdragon and it's amazing. Great battery life and decent performance, even when emulating.

    When native ARM64 binaries become commonplace, Intel is going to be in big trouble.
    The problem is ARC being half way decent is in a market place where NVidia produce face meltingly powerful stuff and AMD can already provide you one step down for very very reasonable prices.

    As for ARM, I was never a Apple / Mac fanboi, but I have an M2 laptop now and the battery level is game changing. A whole day out and about and never worry once about needing to charge and its super lightweight to carry around, so much so I sometimes worry I have lost it as can't feel it in my bag.
    I was pricing up a new MacBook with M3 Max, I think my specs came to over £7,000, on the website it said starting price £1,699.
    Do you really need the gold plated of gold plating?
    I am sure I need 128 GB of RAM and a 8 TB hard drive.
    8TB of hard drive is a lot of (no doubt sensitive) data to keep on you as you get the bus to work every morning.
    See the issue is my mother loves making videos of her family and she can record in 4K with 60 fps that takes up a lot of hard drive and yours truly has to do the editing.

    Plus whilst I also upload to the cloud I also like to have a physical copy.
    1 sec video = 1MB? So nearly 300hrs of birthday parties?
    One minute of 4K at 60 fps is 400 MB. So you’re looking at 24 GB for one hour of recording.
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