This is the worst election launch in British history, isn’t it?
I suspect if I’m completely honest it’s only us obsessives who are really paying any attention. At the moment I suspect most of the country are simply aware there’s an election coming and Sunak got rained on, and are probably looking forward to the bank holiday.
But yes, it’s been pretty bad.
Most people are focusing on Euro 2024!
But not so much in Wales (Rishi to note) 😈
If Rishi had mentioned the football in a factory in England then he would have been hammered for assuming everyone in the factory was English or Scottish so had a team in the tournament. How awful he is for not having the sensitivity that there are workers in factories that don’t support purely the teams who have qualified - see, he’s so out of touch. Just because your nations team isn’t in the tournament it doesn’t mean you can’t be looking forward to it. Or some such.
The coverage as a whole is symptomatic of how utterly fucking pathetic our media has become. Obsessed with comedy photo ops and 'gotcha' moments to clip for social media, and daft questions that provide nothing in terms of illumination. Woodward and Bernstein they ain't.
It was perfectly encapsulated yesterday morning on Today. The morning after the election being called on the flagship current affairs programme and the lead angle was that some Tory MPs were flabbergasted, annoyed etc. not that we were getting a general election, the general election everyone was calling for and what that meant for the country, the correspondents had been spending their time whatsappung and being briefed how annoyed MPs were.
It’s a fucking pantomime and the politics is crap because the people who are supposed to be holding their feet to the fire are too invested in the pantomime themselfves. It’s a lot easier to earn your money as a politics journalist by repeating gossip than actually analysing the crap politicians are saying because the journalists, like the politicians, have very rarely actually done anything else of note which would make themselves think, “hang on a minute, when I was working in the steel industry if a boss did this they would be fucked, etc”.
Everything about this turd of a nation is fucked. The politics, the media, the economics, the attitudes, the morality. The way the entire deck is stacked against anyone getting out of their box for a moment. And the slack jaws hose down their bread and circuses clapping like seals for any shit they are told to. We are in the last days of Rome. I like a rant. Cleansing.
If it's so awful here, why is this country one of the top destinations for people from all over the world?
If you are born into poverty in the uk, on average it takes your decendants 5 generations FIVE....to make it up to median income. Just across the water in Denmark where they give a shit about each other, it takes 2 generations. Why would you take initiative in the uk if you will never see the benefit, even vicariously through your children. Britain is a heartless society where everybody would rather nobody got anything out of worry that 1 person gets 50p too much. It is just so petty. These are our compatriots for christ sake. I hear a lot of talk, especially on the right, about loving your own country.... but as I see it, many many brits absolutely loathe their own cutbry and their compatriots. It is a very sad situation.
Indeed. See the contempt on this site for Rishi Sunak for his sin of having hard-working, hard-caring parents who spent every penny sending him to great schools, where he ALSO worked hard (head boy) and then got a really good lucrative job
What a wanker! How dare he! And an Indian! We like our minorities to be oppressed gang bangers who get wrongly shot by police while doing drug deals, thanks, so they don't get any uppity ideas about actually succeeding
He's done poorly as prime minister, failing on my terms, your terms, and even, damningly, his own terms.
But he was HEAD BOY. Fuck me, that turns it all around.
I know you don't like uppity immigrants and you prefer them to be shot by the Met Police so you can whine about it for ever in a middle middle class way that somehow satisfies you sexually, but this is Sunak's story:
"Sunak was born on 12 May 1980 in Southampton General Hospital in Southampton, Hampshire,[3][4] to East African-born Hindu parents of Indian Punjabi descent, Yashvir and Usha Sunak.[5][6][7] He attended Stroud School, a preparatory school in Romsey, and later studied at Winchester College as a dayboy, becoming head boy of the college.[8][9][10] He worked as a waiter in a curry house in Southampton during his summer holidays.[11][12] He read philosophy, politics and economics at Lincoln College, Oxford, graduating with a first in 2001.[10][13] During his time at university, he undertook an internship at Conservative Campaign Headquarters and joined the Conservative Party.[9] In 2006, Sunak earned a Master of Business Administration degree from Stanford University as a Fulbright Scholar.[13][14][15] While at Stanford, he met his future wife Akshata Murty, the daughter of Indian billionaire N. R. Narayana Murthy of Infosys.[16]"
His parents worked incredibly hard, he has worked incredibly hard. He has had the good fortune of being born very intelligent, but unlike some he has put it to good use, studying and working with great drive and eventually becoming prime minister of the United Kingdom as a second generation brown skinned immigrant. It is quite a remarkable story - as someone who is hugely skeptical of mass immigration, I personally would be much more in favour of it if every immigrant was like him or his family
You clearly feel different for your own sick perverse reasons. Well done
Is he a great prime minister? No. Is he a credit to himself, his family and the country they emigrated to? Yes
I’m glad at least. one other person on here has the guts to not follow the anti Sunak herd. Some of the bullshit posting about photos and asking about the football are just pathetic.
It's like a weird kind of sicko inverse racism. If your immigrant family works really hard and sends you to a fee paying school and you become successful in British society then somehow you have betrayed *something* - and "become one of them" - but how and why and what the F is going on there?? I can't even get my head around it
Does the left seriously prefer minorities as failures and victims they can always pity and agitate for? It does sometimes feel like that. In America as well as Britain.
If so, fuck it, if that's the country they want I am glad I no longer feel attached to it, as I once did
It's diseased
Minorities are most useful to those who 'tirelessly campaign' for them when they are downtrodden, the campaign isn't really about untreading. It's some sort of sick white saviour complex certain types have
It really is, and it is one total naked display here, tonight
This is the worst election launch in British history, isn’t it?
I suspect if I’m completely honest it’s only us obsessives who are really paying any attention. At the moment I suspect most of the country are simply aware there’s an election coming and Sunak got rained on, and are probably looking forward to the bank holiday.
But yes, it’s been pretty bad.
Most people are focusing on Euro 2024!
But not so much in Wales (Rishi to note) 😈
If Rishi had mentioned the football in a factory in England then he would have been hammered for assuming everyone in the factory was English or Scottish so had a team in the tournament. How awful he is for not having the sensitivity that there are workers in factories that don’t support purely the teams who have qualified - see, he’s so out of touch. Just because your nations team isn’t in the tournament it doesn’t mean you can’t be looking forward to it. Or some such.
The coverage as a whole is symptomatic of how utterly fucking pathetic our media has become. Obsessed with comedy photo ops and 'gotcha' moments to clip for social media, and daft questions that provide nothing in terms of illumination. Woodward and Bernstein they ain't.
It was perfectly encapsulated yesterday morning on Today. The morning after the election being called on the flagship current affairs programme and the lead angle was that some Tory MPs were flabbergasted, annoyed etc. not that we were getting a general election, the general election everyone was calling for and what that meant for the country, the correspondents had been spending their time whatsappung and being briefed how annoyed MPs were.
It’s a fucking pantomime and the politics is crap because the people who are supposed to be holding their feet to the fire are too invested in the pantomime themselfves. It’s a lot easier to earn your money as a politics journalist by repeating gossip than actually analysing the crap politicians are saying because the journalists, like the politicians, have very rarely actually done anything else of note which would make themselves think, “hang on a minute, when I was working in the steel industry if a boss did this they would be fucked, etc”.
Everything about this turd of a nation is fucked. The politics, the media, the economics, the attitudes, the morality. The way the entire deck is stacked against anyone getting out of their box for a moment. And the slack jaws hose down their bread and circuses clapping like seals for any shit they are told to. We are in the last days of Rome. I like a rant. Cleansing.
If it's so awful here, why is this country one of the top destinations for people from all over the world?
If you are born into poverty in the uk, on average it takes your decendants 5 generations FIVE....to make it up to median income. Just across the water in Denmark where they give a shit about each other, it takes 2 generations. Why would you take initiative in the uk if you will never see the benefit, even vicariously through your children. Britain is a heartless society where everybody would rather nobody got anything out of worry that 1 person gets 50p too much. It is just so petty. These are our compatriots for christ sake. I hear a lot of talk, especially on the right, about loving your own country.... but as I see it, many many brits absolutely loathe their own cutbry and their compatriots. It is a very sad situation.
Indeed. See the contempt on this site for Rishi Sunak for his sin of having hard-working, hard-caring parents who spent every penny sending him to great schools, where he ALSO worked hard (head boy) and then got a really good lucrative job
What a wanker! How dare he! And an Indian! We like our minorities to be oppressed gang bangers who get wrongly shot by police while doing drug deals, thanks, so they don't get any uppity ideas about actually succeeding
He's done poorly as prime minister, failing on my terms, your terms, and even, damningly, his own terms.
But he was HEAD BOY. Fuck me, that turns it all around.
I know you don't like uppity immigrants and you prefer them to be shot by the Met Police so you can whine about it for ever in a middle middle class way that somehow satisfies you sexually, but this is Sunak's story:
"Sunak was born on 12 May 1980 in Southampton General Hospital in Southampton, Hampshire,[3][4] to East African-born Hindu parents of Indian Punjabi descent, Yashvir and Usha Sunak.[5][6][7] He attended Stroud School, a preparatory school in Romsey, and later studied at Winchester College as a dayboy, becoming head boy of the college.[8][9][10] He worked as a waiter in a curry house in Southampton during his summer holidays.[11][12] He read philosophy, politics and economics at Lincoln College, Oxford, graduating with a first in 2001.[10][13] During his time at university, he undertook an internship at Conservative Campaign Headquarters and joined the Conservative Party.[9] In 2006, Sunak earned a Master of Business Administration degree from Stanford University as a Fulbright Scholar.[13][14][15] While at Stanford, he met his future wife Akshata Murty, the daughter of Indian billionaire N. R. Narayana Murthy of Infosys.[16]"
His parents worked incredibly hard, he has worked incredibly hard. He has had the good fortune of being born very intelligent, but unlike some he has put it to good use, studying and working with great drive and eventually becoming prime minister of the United Kingdom as a second generation brown skinned immigrant. It is quite a remarkable story - as someone who is hugely skeptical of mass immigration, I personally would be much more in favour of it if every immigrant was like him or his family
You clearly feel different for your own sick perverse reasons. Well done
Is he a great prime minister? No. Is he a credit to himself, his family and the country they emigrated to? Yes
I’m glad at least. one other person on here has the guts to not follow the anti Sunak herd. Some of the bullshit posting about photos and asking about the football are just pathetic.
It's like a weird kind of sicko inverse racism. If your immigrant family works really hard and sends you to a fee paying school and you become successful in British society then somehow you have betrayed *something* - and "become one of them" - but how and why and what the F is going on there?? I can't even get my head around it
Does the left seriously prefer minorities as failures and victims they can always pity and agitate for? It does sometimes feel like that. In America as well as Britain.
If so, fuck it, if that's the country they want I am glad I no longer feel attached to it, as I once did
It's diseased
Minorities are most useful to those who 'tirelessly campaign' for them when they are downtrodden, the campaign isn't really about untreading. It's some sort of sick white saviour complex certain types have
“Don’t worry brown man, we will fight for you”
“Thanks but I’m really clever so I’m going to work hard and succeed”
“ you can’t, society is against you”
“Honestly, I’m ok, I’m doing really well”
“Only we can make sure you have a country you can succeed in”
“I’m already more successful than you”
“ you fucking turncoat traitor, how dare you not conform to our requirements of you and see things differently to us”.
“That’s why I’m off to to California with my billionaire wife - enjoy your self defeating battle”.
And as with previous versions it's outstanding that it ends just VOTE. Not VOTE X, just VOTE
If you vote you may not like the result but at least your say was counted. It's those who don't vote who complain who I really can't stand...
It's not like you live in some dodgy US state where the polling booths have been reduced to ensure you can only vote if you take the day off, and arrive before polling opens to join a 5 mile long queue...
This is the worst election launch in British history, isn’t it?
I suspect if I’m completely honest it’s only us obsessives who are really paying any attention. At the moment I suspect most of the country are simply aware there’s an election coming and Sunak got rained on, and are probably looking forward to the bank holiday.
But yes, it’s been pretty bad.
Most people are focusing on Euro 2024!
But not so much in Wales (Rishi to note) 😈
If Rishi had mentioned the football in a factory in England then he would have been hammered for assuming everyone in the factory was English or Scottish so had a team in the tournament. How awful he is for not having the sensitivity that there are workers in factories that don’t support purely the teams who have qualified - see, he’s so out of touch. Just because your nations team isn’t in the tournament it doesn’t mean you can’t be looking forward to it. Or some such.
The coverage as a whole is symptomatic of how utterly fucking pathetic our media has become. Obsessed with comedy photo ops and 'gotcha' moments to clip for social media, and daft questions that provide nothing in terms of illumination. Woodward and Bernstein they ain't.
It was perfectly encapsulated yesterday morning on Today. The morning after the election being called on the flagship current affairs programme and the lead angle was that some Tory MPs were flabbergasted, annoyed etc. not that we were getting a general election, the general election everyone was calling for and what that meant for the country, the correspondents had been spending their time whatsappung and being briefed how annoyed MPs were.
It’s a fucking pantomime and the politics is crap because the people who are supposed to be holding their feet to the fire are too invested in the pantomime themselfves. It’s a lot easier to earn your money as a politics journalist by repeating gossip than actually analysing the crap politicians are saying because the journalists, like the politicians, have very rarely actually done anything else of note which would make themselves think, “hang on a minute, when I was working in the steel industry if a boss did this they would be fucked, etc”.
Everything about this turd of a nation is fucked. The politics, the media, the economics, the attitudes, the morality. The way the entire deck is stacked against anyone getting out of their box for a moment. And the slack jaws hose down their bread and circuses clapping like seals for any shit they are told to. We are in the last days of Rome. I like a rant. Cleansing.
If it's so awful here, why is this country one of the top destinations for people from all over the world?
If you are born into poverty in the uk, on average it takes your decendants 5 generations FIVE....to make it up to median income. Just across the water in Denmark where they give a shit about each other, it takes 2 generations. Why would you take initiative in the uk if you will never see the benefit, even vicariously through your children. Britain is a heartless society where everybody would rather nobody got anything out of worry that 1 person gets 50p too much. It is just so petty. These are our compatriots for christ sake. I hear a lot of talk, especially on the right, about loving your own country.... but as I see it, many many brits absolutely loathe their own cutbry and their compatriots. It is a very sad situation.
Indeed. See the contempt on this site for Rishi Sunak for his sin of having hard-working, hard-caring parents who spent every penny sending him to great schools, where he ALSO worked hard (head boy) and then got a really good lucrative job
What a wanker! How dare he! And an Indian! We like our minorities to be oppressed gang bangers who get wrongly shot by police while doing drug deals, thanks, so they don't get any uppity ideas about actually succeeding
He's done poorly as prime minister, failing on my terms, your terms, and even, damningly, his own terms.
But he was HEAD BOY. Fuck me, that turns it all around.
I know you don't like uppity immigrants and you prefer them to be shot by the Met Police so you can whine about it for ever in a middle middle class way that somehow satisfies you sexually, but this is Sunak's story:
"Sunak was born on 12 May 1980 in Southampton General Hospital in Southampton, Hampshire,[3][4] to East African-born Hindu parents of Indian Punjabi descent, Yashvir and Usha Sunak.[5][6][7] He attended Stroud School, a preparatory school in Romsey, and later studied at Winchester College as a dayboy, becoming head boy of the college.[8][9][10] He worked as a waiter in a curry house in Southampton during his summer holidays.[11][12] He read philosophy, politics and economics at Lincoln College, Oxford, graduating with a first in 2001.[10][13] During his time at university, he undertook an internship at Conservative Campaign Headquarters and joined the Conservative Party.[9] In 2006, Sunak earned a Master of Business Administration degree from Stanford University as a Fulbright Scholar.[13][14][15] While at Stanford, he met his future wife Akshata Murty, the daughter of Indian billionaire N. R. Narayana Murthy of Infosys.[16]"
His parents worked incredibly hard, he has worked incredibly hard. He has had the good fortune of being born very intelligent, but unlike some he has put it to good use, studying and working with great drive and eventually becoming prime minister of the United Kingdom as a second generation brown skinned immigrant. It is quite a remarkable story - as someone who is hugely skeptical of mass immigration, I personally would be much more in favour of it if every immigrant was like him or his family
You clearly feel different for your own sick perverse reasons. Well done
Is he a great prime minister? No. Is he a credit to himself, his family and the country they emigrated to? Yes
I’m glad at least. one other person on here has the guts to not follow the anti Sunak herd. Some of the bullshit posting about photos and asking about the football are just pathetic.
It's like a weird kind of sicko inverse racism. If your immigrant family works really hard and sends you to a fee paying school and you become successful in British society then somehow you have betrayed *something* - and "become one of them" - but how and why and what the F is going on there?? I can't even get my head around it
Does the left seriously prefer minorities as failures and victims they can always pity and agitate for? It does sometimes feel like that. In America as well as Britain.
If so, fuck it, if that's the country they want I am glad I no longer feel attached to it, as I once did
It's diseased
Minorities are most useful to those who 'tirelessly campaign' for them when they are downtrodden, the campaign isn't really about untreading. It's some sort of sick white saviour complex certain types have
“Don’t worry brown man, we will fight for you”
“Thanks but I’m really clever so I’m going to work hard and succeed”
“ you can’t, society is against you”
“Honestly, I’m ok, I’m doing really well”
“Only we can make sure you have a country you can succeed in”
“I’m already more successful than you”
“ you fucking turncoat traitor, how dare you not conform to our requirements of you and see things differently to us”.
“That’s why I’m off to to California with my billionaire wife - enjoy your self defeating battle”.
Remember all the responses to this? (I don't think I've posted an image today, but if I have, I beg an indulgence as we are close to midnight, with a penalty of no image permitted tomorrow).
This is the worst election launch in British history, isn’t it?
I suspect if I’m completely honest it’s only us obsessives who are really paying any attention. At the moment I suspect most of the country are simply aware there’s an election coming and Sunak got rained on, and are probably looking forward to the bank holiday.
But yes, it’s been pretty bad.
Most people are focusing on Euro 2024!
But not so much in Wales (Rishi to note) 😈
If Rishi had mentioned the football in a factory in England then he would have been hammered for assuming everyone in the factory was English or Scottish so had a team in the tournament. How awful he is for not having the sensitivity that there are workers in factories that don’t support purely the teams who have qualified - see, he’s so out of touch. Just because your nations team isn’t in the tournament it doesn’t mean you can’t be looking forward to it. Or some such.
The coverage as a whole is symptomatic of how utterly fucking pathetic our media has become. Obsessed with comedy photo ops and 'gotcha' moments to clip for social media, and daft questions that provide nothing in terms of illumination. Woodward and Bernstein they ain't.
It was perfectly encapsulated yesterday morning on Today. The morning after the election being called on the flagship current affairs programme and the lead angle was that some Tory MPs were flabbergasted, annoyed etc. not that we were getting a general election, the general election everyone was calling for and what that meant for the country, the correspondents had been spending their time whatsappung and being briefed how annoyed MPs were.
It’s a fucking pantomime and the politics is crap because the people who are supposed to be holding their feet to the fire are too invested in the pantomime themselfves. It’s a lot easier to earn your money as a politics journalist by repeating gossip than actually analysing the crap politicians are saying because the journalists, like the politicians, have very rarely actually done anything else of note which would make themselves think, “hang on a minute, when I was working in the steel industry if a boss did this they would be fucked, etc”.
Everything about this turd of a nation is fucked. The politics, the media, the economics, the attitudes, the morality. The way the entire deck is stacked against anyone getting out of their box for a moment. And the slack jaws hose down their bread and circuses clapping like seals for any shit they are told to. We are in the last days of Rome. I like a rant. Cleansing.
If it's so awful here, why is this country one of the top destinations for people from all over the world?
If you are born into poverty in the uk, on average it takes your decendants 5 generations FIVE....to make it up to median income. Just across the water in Denmark where they give a shit about each other, it takes 2 generations. Why would you take initiative in the uk if you will never see the benefit, even vicariously through your children. Britain is a heartless society where everybody would rather nobody got anything out of worry that 1 person gets 50p too much. It is just so petty. These are our compatriots for christ sake. I hear a lot of talk, especially on the right, about loving your own country.... but as I see it, many many brits absolutely loathe their own cutbry and their compatriots. It is a very sad situation.
Indeed. See the contempt on this site for Rishi Sunak for his sin of having hard-working, hard-caring parents who spent every penny sending him to great schools, where he ALSO worked hard (head boy) and then got a really good lucrative job
What a wanker! How dare he! And an Indian! We like our minorities to be oppressed gang bangers who get wrongly shot by police while doing drug deals, thanks, so they don't get any uppity ideas about actually succeeding
He's done poorly as prime minister, failing on my terms, your terms, and even, damningly, his own terms.
But he was HEAD BOY. Fuck me, that turns it all around.
I know you don't like uppity immigrants and you prefer them to be shot by the Met Police so you can whine about it for ever in a middle middle class way that somehow satisfies you sexually, but this is Sunak's story:
"Sunak was born on 12 May 1980 in Southampton General Hospital in Southampton, Hampshire,[3][4] to East African-born Hindu parents of Indian Punjabi descent, Yashvir and Usha Sunak.[5][6][7] He attended Stroud School, a preparatory school in Romsey, and later studied at Winchester College as a dayboy, becoming head boy of the college.[8][9][10] He worked as a waiter in a curry house in Southampton during his summer holidays.[11][12] He read philosophy, politics and economics at Lincoln College, Oxford, graduating with a first in 2001.[10][13] During his time at university, he undertook an internship at Conservative Campaign Headquarters and joined the Conservative Party.[9] In 2006, Sunak earned a Master of Business Administration degree from Stanford University as a Fulbright Scholar.[13][14][15] While at Stanford, he met his future wife Akshata Murty, the daughter of Indian billionaire N. R. Narayana Murthy of Infosys.[16]"
His parents worked incredibly hard, he has worked incredibly hard. He has had the good fortune of being born very intelligent, but unlike some he has put it to good use, studying and working with great drive and eventually becoming prime minister of the United Kingdom as a second generation brown skinned immigrant. It is quite a remarkable story - as someone who is hugely skeptical of mass immigration, I personally would be much more in favour of it if every immigrant was like him or his family
You clearly feel different for your own sick perverse reasons. Well done
Is he a great prime minister? No. Is he a credit to himself, his family and the country they emigrated to? Yes
I’m glad at least. one other person on here has the guts to not follow the anti Sunak herd. Some of the bullshit posting about photos and asking about the football are just pathetic.
It's like a weird kind of sicko inverse racism. If your immigrant family works really hard and sends you to a fee paying school and you become successful in British society then somehow you have betrayed *something* - and "become one of them" - but how and why and what the F is going on there?? I can't even get my head around it
Does the left seriously prefer minorities as failures and victims they can always pity and agitate for? It does sometimes feel like that. In America as well as Britain.
If so, fuck it, if that's the country they want I am glad I no longer feel attached to it, as I once did
It's diseased
Minorities are most useful to those who 'tirelessly campaign' for them when they are downtrodden, the campaign isn't really about untreading. It's some sort of sick white saviour complex certain types have
“Don’t worry brown man, we will fight for you”
“Thanks but I’m really clever so I’m going to work hard and succeed”
“ you can’t, society is against you”
“Honestly, I’m ok, I’m doing really well”
“Only we can make sure you have a country you can succeed in”
“I’m already more successful than you”
“ you fucking turncoat traitor, how dare you not conform to our requirements of you and see things differently to us”.
“That’s why I’m off to to California with my billionaire wife - enjoy your self defeating battle”.
You live in a really weird world inside your own head.
Who here has ever said anything along those lines?
This is the worst election launch in British history, isn’t it?
I suspect if I’m completely honest it’s only us obsessives who are really paying any attention. At the moment I suspect most of the country are simply aware there’s an election coming and Sunak got rained on, and are probably looking forward to the bank holiday.
But yes, it’s been pretty bad.
Most people are focusing on Euro 2024!
But not so much in Wales (Rishi to note) 😈
If Rishi had mentioned the football in a factory in England then he would have been hammered for assuming everyone in the factory was English or Scottish so had a team in the tournament. How awful he is for not having the sensitivity that there are workers in factories that don’t support purely the teams who have qualified - see, he’s so out of touch. Just because your nations team isn’t in the tournament it doesn’t mean you can’t be looking forward to it. Or some such.
The coverage as a whole is symptomatic of how utterly fucking pathetic our media has become. Obsessed with comedy photo ops and 'gotcha' moments to clip for social media, and daft questions that provide nothing in terms of illumination. Woodward and Bernstein they ain't.
It was perfectly encapsulated yesterday morning on Today. The morning after the election being called on the flagship current affairs programme and the lead angle was that some Tory MPs were flabbergasted, annoyed etc. not that we were getting a general election, the general election everyone was calling for and what that meant for the country, the correspondents had been spending their time whatsappung and being briefed how annoyed MPs were.
It’s a fucking pantomime and the politics is crap because the people who are supposed to be holding their feet to the fire are too invested in the pantomime themselfves. It’s a lot easier to earn your money as a politics journalist by repeating gossip than actually analysing the crap politicians are saying because the journalists, like the politicians, have very rarely actually done anything else of note which would make themselves think, “hang on a minute, when I was working in the steel industry if a boss did this they would be fucked, etc”.
Everything about this turd of a nation is fucked. The politics, the media, the economics, the attitudes, the morality. The way the entire deck is stacked against anyone getting out of their box for a moment. And the slack jaws hose down their bread and circuses clapping like seals for any shit they are told to. We are in the last days of Rome. I like a rant. Cleansing.
If it's so awful here, why is this country one of the top destinations for people from all over the world?
If you are born into poverty in the uk, on average it takes your decendants 5 generations FIVE....to make it up to median income. Just across the water in Denmark where they give a shit about each other, it takes 2 generations. Why would you take initiative in the uk if you will never see the benefit, even vicariously through your children. Britain is a heartless society where everybody would rather nobody got anything out of worry that 1 person gets 50p too much. It is just so petty. These are our compatriots for christ sake. I hear a lot of talk, especially on the right, about loving your own country.... but as I see it, many many brits absolutely loathe their own cutbry and their compatriots. It is a very sad situation.
Indeed. See the contempt on this site for Rishi Sunak for his sin of having hard-working, hard-caring parents who spent every penny sending him to great schools, where he ALSO worked hard (head boy) and then got a really good lucrative job
What a wanker! How dare he! And an Indian! We like our minorities to be oppressed gang bangers who get wrongly shot by police while doing drug deals, thanks, so they don't get any uppity ideas about actually succeeding
He's done poorly as prime minister, failing on my terms, your terms, and even, damningly, his own terms.
But he was HEAD BOY. Fuck me, that turns it all around.
I know you don't like uppity immigrants and you prefer them to be shot by the Met Police so you can whine about it for ever in a middle middle class way that somehow satisfies you sexually, but this is Sunak's story:
"Sunak was born on 12 May 1980 in Southampton General Hospital in Southampton, Hampshire,[3][4] to East African-born Hindu parents of Indian Punjabi descent, Yashvir and Usha Sunak.[5][6][7] He attended Stroud School, a preparatory school in Romsey, and later studied at Winchester College as a dayboy, becoming head boy of the college.[8][9][10] He worked as a waiter in a curry house in Southampton during his summer holidays.[11][12] He read philosophy, politics and economics at Lincoln College, Oxford, graduating with a first in 2001.[10][13] During his time at university, he undertook an internship at Conservative Campaign Headquarters and joined the Conservative Party.[9] In 2006, Sunak earned a Master of Business Administration degree from Stanford University as a Fulbright Scholar.[13][14][15] While at Stanford, he met his future wife Akshata Murty, the daughter of Indian billionaire N. R. Narayana Murthy of Infosys.[16]"
His parents worked incredibly hard, he has worked incredibly hard. He has had the good fortune of being born very intelligent, but unlike some he has put it to good use, studying and working with great drive and eventually becoming prime minister of the United Kingdom as a second generation brown skinned immigrant. It is quite a remarkable story - as someone who is hugely skeptical of mass immigration, I personally would be much more in favour of it if every immigrant was like him or his family
You clearly feel different for your own sick perverse reasons. Well done
Is he a great prime minister? No. Is he a credit to himself, his family and the country they emigrated to? Yes
I’m glad at least. one other person on here has the guts to not follow the anti Sunak herd. Some of the bullshit posting about photos and asking about the football are just pathetic.
It's like a weird kind of sicko inverse racism. If your immigrant family works really hard and sends you to a fee paying school and you become successful in British society then somehow you have betrayed *something* - and "become one of them" - but how and why and what the F is going on there?? I can't even get my head around it
Does the left seriously prefer minorities as failures and victims they can always pity and agitate for? It does sometimes feel like that. In America as well as Britain.
If so, fuck it, if that's the country they want I am glad I no longer feel attached to it, as I once did
It's diseased
Minorities are most useful to those who 'tirelessly campaign' for them when they are downtrodden, the campaign isn't really about untreading. It's some sort of sick white saviour complex certain types have
It really is, and it is one total naked display here, tonight
If it was on naked display then you would be able to produce one quote to back your delusion up.
This is one of those election campaigns that mirrors one of those pub football games where one side is so much better than the other that ,to make a game of it. they start to lend a few of their players to the other side- just to keep it interesting - Here have Jezza Corbyn and Galloway .Tell you what we will muck up selection in Leicester East for you to have a chance there- Even Reform are doing it by not running Farage
This is the worst election launch in British history, isn’t it?
I suspect if I’m completely honest it’s only us obsessives who are really paying any attention. At the moment I suspect most of the country are simply aware there’s an election coming and Sunak got rained on, and are probably looking forward to the bank holiday.
But yes, it’s been pretty bad.
Most people are focusing on Euro 2024!
But not so much in Wales (Rishi to note) 😈
If Rishi had mentioned the football in a factory in England then he would have been hammered for assuming everyone in the factory was English or Scottish so had a team in the tournament. How awful he is for not having the sensitivity that there are workers in factories that don’t support purely the teams who have qualified - see, he’s so out of touch. Just because your nations team isn’t in the tournament it doesn’t mean you can’t be looking forward to it. Or some such.
The coverage as a whole is symptomatic of how utterly fucking pathetic our media has become. Obsessed with comedy photo ops and 'gotcha' moments to clip for social media, and daft questions that provide nothing in terms of illumination. Woodward and Bernstein they ain't.
It was perfectly encapsulated yesterday morning on Today. The morning after the election being called on the flagship current affairs programme and the lead angle was that some Tory MPs were flabbergasted, annoyed etc. not that we were getting a general election, the general election everyone was calling for and what that meant for the country, the correspondents had been spending their time whatsappung and being briefed how annoyed MPs were.
It’s a fucking pantomime and the politics is crap because the people who are supposed to be holding their feet to the fire are too invested in the pantomime themselfves. It’s a lot easier to earn your money as a politics journalist by repeating gossip than actually analysing the crap politicians are saying because the journalists, like the politicians, have very rarely actually done anything else of note which would make themselves think, “hang on a minute, when I was working in the steel industry if a boss did this they would be fucked, etc”.
Everything about this turd of a nation is fucked. The politics, the media, the economics, the attitudes, the morality. The way the entire deck is stacked against anyone getting out of their box for a moment. And the slack jaws hose down their bread and circuses clapping like seals for any shit they are told to. We are in the last days of Rome. I like a rant. Cleansing.
If it's so awful here, why is this country one of the top destinations for people from all over the world?
Because its not exclusively shit here?
Sure this country is probably ok compared to Afghanistan. Not saying much though is it.
Do you live in Redditch ?
Lol!
I live not far from Redditch. It is actually very nice.
So do I, its my local town. I assume youre in worcestershire
If either of you bump into Worcester Woman, could you please ask her who she will be voting for?
She's yesterday's news. It is Whitby Woman apparently this time.
This is the worst election launch in British history, isn’t it?
I suspect if I’m completely honest it’s only us obsessives who are really paying any attention. At the moment I suspect most of the country are simply aware there’s an election coming and Sunak got rained on, and are probably looking forward to the bank holiday.
But yes, it’s been pretty bad.
Most people are focusing on Euro 2024!
But not so much in Wales (Rishi to note) 😈
If Rishi had mentioned the football in a factory in England then he would have been hammered for assuming everyone in the factory was English or Scottish so had a team in the tournament. How awful he is for not having the sensitivity that there are workers in factories that don’t support purely the teams who have qualified - see, he’s so out of touch. Just because your nations team isn’t in the tournament it doesn’t mean you can’t be looking forward to it. Or some such.
The coverage as a whole is symptomatic of how utterly fucking pathetic our media has become. Obsessed with comedy photo ops and 'gotcha' moments to clip for social media, and daft questions that provide nothing in terms of illumination. Woodward and Bernstein they ain't.
It was perfectly encapsulated yesterday morning on Today. The morning after the election being called on the flagship current affairs programme and the lead angle was that some Tory MPs were flabbergasted, annoyed etc. not that we were getting a general election, the general election everyone was calling for and what that meant for the country, the correspondents had been spending their time whatsappung and being briefed how annoyed MPs were.
It’s a fucking pantomime and the politics is crap because the people who are supposed to be holding their feet to the fire are too invested in the pantomime themselfves. It’s a lot easier to earn your money as a politics journalist by repeating gossip than actually analysing the crap politicians are saying because the journalists, like the politicians, have very rarely actually done anything else of note which would make themselves think, “hang on a minute, when I was working in the steel industry if a boss did this they would be fucked, etc”.
Everything about this turd of a nation is fucked. The politics, the media, the economics, the attitudes, the morality. The way the entire deck is stacked against anyone getting out of their box for a moment. And the slack jaws hose down their bread and circuses clapping like seals for any shit they are told to. We are in the last days of Rome. I like a rant. Cleansing.
If it's so awful here, why is this country one of the top destinations for people from all over the world?
If you are born into poverty in the uk, on average it takes your decendants 5 generations FIVE....to make it up to median income. Just across the water in Denmark where they give a shit about each other, it takes 2 generations. Why would you take initiative in the uk if you will never see the benefit, even vicariously through your children. Britain is a heartless society where everybody would rather nobody got anything out of worry that 1 person gets 50p too much. It is just so petty. These are our compatriots for christ sake. I hear a lot of talk, especially on the right, about loving your own country.... but as I see it, many many brits absolutely loathe their own cutbry and their compatriots. It is a very sad situation.
Indeed. See the contempt on this site for Rishi Sunak for his sin of having hard-working, hard-caring parents who spent every penny sending him to great schools, where he ALSO worked hard (head boy) and then got a really good lucrative job
What a wanker! How dare he! And an Indian! We like our minorities to be oppressed gang bangers who get wrongly shot by police while doing drug deals, thanks, so they don't get any uppity ideas about actually succeeding
He's done poorly as prime minister, failing on my terms, your terms, and even, damningly, his own terms.
But he was HEAD BOY. Fuck me, that turns it all around.
I know you don't like uppity immigrants and you prefer them to be shot by the Met Police so you can whine about it for ever in a middle middle class way that somehow satisfies you sexually, but this is Sunak's story:
"Sunak was born on 12 May 1980 in Southampton General Hospital in Southampton, Hampshire,[3][4] to East African-born Hindu parents of Indian Punjabi descent, Yashvir and Usha Sunak.[5][6][7] He attended Stroud School, a preparatory school in Romsey, and later studied at Winchester College as a dayboy, becoming head boy of the college.[8][9][10] He worked as a waiter in a curry house in Southampton during his summer holidays.[11][12] He read philosophy, politics and economics at Lincoln College, Oxford, graduating with a first in 2001.[10][13] During his time at university, he undertook an internship at Conservative Campaign Headquarters and joined the Conservative Party.[9] In 2006, Sunak earned a Master of Business Administration degree from Stanford University as a Fulbright Scholar.[13][14][15] While at Stanford, he met his future wife Akshata Murty, the daughter of Indian billionaire N. R. Narayana Murthy of Infosys.[16]"
His parents worked incredibly hard, he has worked incredibly hard. He has had the good fortune of being born very intelligent, but unlike some he has put it to good use, studying and working with great drive and eventually becoming prime minister of the United Kingdom as a second generation brown skinned immigrant. It is quite a remarkable story - as someone who is hugely skeptical of mass immigration, I personally would be much more in favour of it if every immigrant was like him or his family
You clearly feel different for your own sick perverse reasons. Well done
Is he a great prime minister? No. Is he a credit to himself, his family and the country they emigrated to? Yes
I’m glad at least. one other person on here has the guts to not follow the anti Sunak herd. Some of the bullshit posting about photos and asking about the football are just pathetic.
It's like a weird kind of sicko inverse racism. If your immigrant family works really hard and sends you to a fee paying school and you become successful in British society then somehow you have betrayed *something* - and "become one of them" - but how and why and what the F is going on there?? I can't even get my head around it
Does the left seriously prefer minorities as failures and victims they can always pity and agitate for? It does sometimes feel like that. In America as well as Britain.
If so, fuck it, if that's the country they want I am glad I no longer feel attached to it, as I once did
It's diseased
Minorities are most useful to those who 'tirelessly campaign' for them when they are downtrodden, the campaign isn't really about untreading. It's some sort of sick white saviour complex certain types have
It really is, and it is one total naked display here, tonight
If it was on naked display then you would be able to produce one quote to back your delusion up.
This is the worst election launch in British history, isn’t it?
I suspect if I’m completely honest it’s only us obsessives who are really paying any attention. At the moment I suspect most of the country are simply aware there’s an election coming and Sunak got rained on, and are probably looking forward to the bank holiday.
But yes, it’s been pretty bad.
Most people are focusing on Euro 2024!
But not so much in Wales (Rishi to note) 😈
If Rishi had mentioned the football in a factory in England then he would have been hammered for assuming everyone in the factory was English or Scottish so had a team in the tournament. How awful he is for not having the sensitivity that there are workers in factories that don’t support purely the teams who have qualified - see, he’s so out of touch. Just because your nations team isn’t in the tournament it doesn’t mean you can’t be looking forward to it. Or some such.
The coverage as a whole is symptomatic of how utterly fucking pathetic our media has become. Obsessed with comedy photo ops and 'gotcha' moments to clip for social media, and daft questions that provide nothing in terms of illumination. Woodward and Bernstein they ain't.
It was perfectly encapsulated yesterday morning on Today. The morning after the election being called on the flagship current affairs programme and the lead angle was that some Tory MPs were flabbergasted, annoyed etc. not that we were getting a general election, the general election everyone was calling for and what that meant for the country, the correspondents had been spending their time whatsappung and being briefed how annoyed MPs were.
It’s a fucking pantomime and the politics is crap because the people who are supposed to be holding their feet to the fire are too invested in the pantomime themselfves. It’s a lot easier to earn your money as a politics journalist by repeating gossip than actually analysing the crap politicians are saying because the journalists, like the politicians, have very rarely actually done anything else of note which would make themselves think, “hang on a minute, when I was working in the steel industry if a boss did this they would be fucked, etc”.
Everything about this turd of a nation is fucked. The politics, the media, the economics, the attitudes, the morality. The way the entire deck is stacked against anyone getting out of their box for a moment. And the slack jaws hose down their bread and circuses clapping like seals for any shit they are told to. We are in the last days of Rome. I like a rant. Cleansing.
If it's so awful here, why is this country one of the top destinations for people from all over the world?
If you are born into poverty in the uk, on average it takes your decendants 5 generations FIVE....to make it up to median income. Just across the water in Denmark where they give a shit about each other, it takes 2 generations. Why would you take initiative in the uk if you will never see the benefit, even vicariously through your children. Britain is a heartless society where everybody would rather nobody got anything out of worry that 1 person gets 50p too much. It is just so petty. These are our compatriots for christ sake. I hear a lot of talk, especially on the right, about loving your own country.... but as I see it, many many brits absolutely loathe their own cutbry and their compatriots. It is a very sad situation.
Indeed. See the contempt on this site for Rishi Sunak for his sin of having hard-working, hard-caring parents who spent every penny sending him to great schools, where he ALSO worked hard (head boy) and then got a really good lucrative job
What a wanker! How dare he! And an Indian! We like our minorities to be oppressed gang bangers who get wrongly shot by police while doing drug deals, thanks, so they don't get any uppity ideas about actually succeeding
He's done poorly as prime minister, failing on my terms, your terms, and even, damningly, his own terms.
But he was HEAD BOY. Fuck me, that turns it all around.
I know you don't like uppity immigrants and you prefer them to be shot by the Met Police so you can whine about it for ever in a middle middle class way that somehow satisfies you sexually, but this is Sunak's story:
"Sunak was born on 12 May 1980 in Southampton General Hospital in Southampton, Hampshire,[3][4] to East African-born Hindu parents of Indian Punjabi descent, Yashvir and Usha Sunak.[5][6][7] He attended Stroud School, a preparatory school in Romsey, and later studied at Winchester College as a dayboy, becoming head boy of the college.[8][9][10] He worked as a waiter in a curry house in Southampton during his summer holidays.[11][12] He read philosophy, politics and economics at Lincoln College, Oxford, graduating with a first in 2001.[10][13] During his time at university, he undertook an internship at Conservative Campaign Headquarters and joined the Conservative Party.[9] In 2006, Sunak earned a Master of Business Administration degree from Stanford University as a Fulbright Scholar.[13][14][15] While at Stanford, he met his future wife Akshata Murty, the daughter of Indian billionaire N. R. Narayana Murthy of Infosys.[16]"
His parents worked incredibly hard, he has worked incredibly hard. He has had the good fortune of being born very intelligent, but unlike some he has put it to good use, studying and working with great drive and eventually becoming prime minister of the United Kingdom as a second generation brown skinned immigrant. It is quite a remarkable story - as someone who is hugely skeptical of mass immigration, I personally would be much more in favour of it if every immigrant was like him or his family
You clearly feel different for your own sick perverse reasons. Well done
Is he a great prime minister? No. Is he a credit to himself, his family and the country they emigrated to? Yes
I’m glad at least. one other person on here has the guts to not follow the anti Sunak herd. Some of the bullshit posting about photos and asking about the football are just pathetic.
It's like a weird kind of sicko inverse racism. If your immigrant family works really hard and sends you to a fee paying school and you become successful in British society then somehow you have betrayed *something* - and "become one of them" - but how and why and what the F is going on there?? I can't even get my head around it
Does the left seriously prefer minorities as failures and victims they can always pity and agitate for? It does sometimes feel like that. In America as well as Britain.
If so, fuck it, if that's the country they want I am glad I no longer feel attached to it, as I once did
It's diseased
Minorities are most useful to those who 'tirelessly campaign' for them when they are downtrodden, the campaign isn't really about untreading. It's some sort of sick white saviour complex certain types have
“Don’t worry brown man, we will fight for you”
“Thanks but I’m really clever so I’m going to work hard and succeed”
“ you can’t, society is against you”
“Honestly, I’m ok, I’m doing really well”
“Only we can make sure you have a country you can succeed in”
“I’m already more successful than you”
“ you fucking turncoat traitor, how dare you not conform to our requirements of you and see things differently to us”.
“That’s why I’m off to to California with my billionaire wife - enjoy your self defeating battle”.
You live in a really weird world inside your own head.
Who here has ever said anything along those lines?
Was chatting to my parents who have about £x00,000 cash appearing next week after they downsize. Thinking through the steps I actually got to the point where I was suggesting that you may want to start gifting it before rather than after July....
The Government finances are beyond dire and I can see a "state of the nation" speech in late July / early September revealing some very painful home truths while blaming Bozo/Truss/Rishi for a massive mess..
And no Labour Government is going to reduce Inheritance tax...
Bare in mind the possible (hopefully not) need for £ for social care.
This is the worst election launch in British history, isn’t it?
I suspect if I’m completely honest it’s only us obsessives who are really paying any attention. At the moment I suspect most of the country are simply aware there’s an election coming and Sunak got rained on, and are probably looking forward to the bank holiday.
But yes, it’s been pretty bad.
Most people are focusing on Euro 2024!
But not so much in Wales (Rishi to note) 😈
If Rishi had mentioned the football in a factory in England then he would have been hammered for assuming everyone in the factory was English or Scottish so had a team in the tournament. How awful he is for not having the sensitivity that there are workers in factories that don’t support purely the teams who have qualified - see, he’s so out of touch. Just because your nations team isn’t in the tournament it doesn’t mean you can’t be looking forward to it. Or some such.
The coverage as a whole is symptomatic of how utterly fucking pathetic our media has become. Obsessed with comedy photo ops and 'gotcha' moments to clip for social media, and daft questions that provide nothing in terms of illumination. Woodward and Bernstein they ain't.
It was perfectly encapsulated yesterday morning on Today. The morning after the election being called on the flagship current affairs programme and the lead angle was that some Tory MPs were flabbergasted, annoyed etc. not that we were getting a general election, the general election everyone was calling for and what that meant for the country, the correspondents had been spending their time whatsappung and being briefed how annoyed MPs were.
It’s a fucking pantomime and the politics is crap because the people who are supposed to be holding their feet to the fire are too invested in the pantomime themselfves. It’s a lot easier to earn your money as a politics journalist by repeating gossip than actually analysing the crap politicians are saying because the journalists, like the politicians, have very rarely actually done anything else of note which would make themselves think, “hang on a minute, when I was working in the steel industry if a boss did this they would be fucked, etc”.
Everything about this turd of a nation is fucked. The politics, the media, the economics, the attitudes, the morality. The way the entire deck is stacked against anyone getting out of their box for a moment. And the slack jaws hose down their bread and circuses clapping like seals for any shit they are told to. We are in the last days of Rome. I like a rant. Cleansing.
If it's so awful here, why is this country one of the top destinations for people from all over the world?
If you are born into poverty in the uk, on average it takes your decendants 5 generations FIVE....to make it up to median income. Just across the water in Denmark where they give a shit about each other, it takes 2 generations. Why would you take initiative in the uk if you will never see the benefit, even vicariously through your children. Britain is a heartless society where everybody would rather nobody got anything out of worry that 1 person gets 50p too much. It is just so petty. These are our compatriots for christ sake. I hear a lot of talk, especially on the right, about loving your own country.... but as I see it, many many brits absolutely loathe their own cutbry and their compatriots. It is a very sad situation.
Indeed. See the contempt on this site for Rishi Sunak for his sin of having hard-working, hard-caring parents who spent every penny sending him to great schools, where he ALSO worked hard (head boy) and then got a really good lucrative job
What a wanker! How dare he! And an Indian! We like our minorities to be oppressed gang bangers who get wrongly shot by police while doing drug deals, thanks, so they don't get any uppity ideas about actually succeeding
He's done poorly as prime minister, failing on my terms, your terms, and even, damningly, his own terms.
But he was HEAD BOY. Fuck me, that turns it all around.
I know you don't like uppity immigrants and you prefer them to be shot by the Met Police so you can whine about it for ever in a middle middle class way that somehow satisfies you sexually, but this is Sunak's story:
"Sunak was born on 12 May 1980 in Southampton General Hospital in Southampton, Hampshire,[3][4] to East African-born Hindu parents of Indian Punjabi descent, Yashvir and Usha Sunak.[5][6][7] He attended Stroud School, a preparatory school in Romsey, and later studied at Winchester College as a dayboy, becoming head boy of the college.[8][9][10] He worked as a waiter in a curry house in Southampton during his summer holidays.[11][12] He read philosophy, politics and economics at Lincoln College, Oxford, graduating with a first in 2001.[10][13] During his time at university, he undertook an internship at Conservative Campaign Headquarters and joined the Conservative Party.[9] In 2006, Sunak earned a Master of Business Administration degree from Stanford University as a Fulbright Scholar.[13][14][15] While at Stanford, he met his future wife Akshata Murty, the daughter of Indian billionaire N. R. Narayana Murthy of Infosys.[16]"
His parents worked incredibly hard, he has worked incredibly hard. He has had the good fortune of being born very intelligent, but unlike some he has put it to good use, studying and working with great drive and eventually becoming prime minister of the United Kingdom as a second generation brown skinned immigrant. It is quite a remarkable story - as someone who is hugely skeptical of mass immigration, I personally would be much more in favour of it if every immigrant was like him or his family
You clearly feel different for your own sick perverse reasons. Well done
Is he a great prime minister? No. Is he a credit to himself, his family and the country they emigrated to? Yes
I’m glad at least. one other person on here has the guts to not follow the anti Sunak herd. Some of the bullshit posting about photos and asking about the football are just pathetic.
It's like a weird kind of sicko inverse racism. If your immigrant family works really hard and sends you to a fee paying school and you become successful in British society then somehow you have betrayed *something* - and "become one of them" - but how and why and what the F is going on there?? I can't even get my head around it
Does the left seriously prefer minorities as failures and victims they can always pity and agitate for? It does sometimes feel like that. In America as well as Britain.
If so, fuck it, if that's the country they want I am glad I no longer feel attached to it, as I once did
It's diseased
Minorities are most useful to those who 'tirelessly campaign' for them when they are downtrodden, the campaign isn't really about untreading. It's some sort of sick white saviour complex certain types have
This is the worst election launch in British history, isn’t it?
I suspect if I’m completely honest it’s only us obsessives who are really paying any attention. At the moment I suspect most of the country are simply aware there’s an election coming and Sunak got rained on, and are probably looking forward to the bank holiday.
But yes, it’s been pretty bad.
Most people are focusing on Euro 2024!
But not so much in Wales (Rishi to note) 😈
If Rishi had mentioned the football in a factory in England then he would have been hammered for assuming everyone in the factory was English or Scottish so had a team in the tournament. How awful he is for not having the sensitivity that there are workers in factories that don’t support purely the teams who have qualified - see, he’s so out of touch. Just because your nations team isn’t in the tournament it doesn’t mean you can’t be looking forward to it. Or some such.
The coverage as a whole is symptomatic of how utterly fucking pathetic our media has become. Obsessed with comedy photo ops and 'gotcha' moments to clip for social media, and daft questions that provide nothing in terms of illumination. Woodward and Bernstein they ain't.
It was perfectly encapsulated yesterday morning on Today. The morning after the election being called on the flagship current affairs programme and the lead angle was that some Tory MPs were flabbergasted, annoyed etc. not that we were getting a general election, the general election everyone was calling for and what that meant for the country, the correspondents had been spending their time whatsappung and being briefed how annoyed MPs were.
It’s a fucking pantomime and the politics is crap because the people who are supposed to be holding their feet to the fire are too invested in the pantomime themselfves. It’s a lot easier to earn your money as a politics journalist by repeating gossip than actually analysing the crap politicians are saying because the journalists, like the politicians, have very rarely actually done anything else of note which would make themselves think, “hang on a minute, when I was working in the steel industry if a boss did this they would be fucked, etc”.
Everything about this turd of a nation is fucked. The politics, the media, the economics, the attitudes, the morality. The way the entire deck is stacked against anyone getting out of their box for a moment. And the slack jaws hose down their bread and circuses clapping like seals for any shit they are told to. We are in the last days of Rome. I like a rant. Cleansing.
If it's so awful here, why is this country one of the top destinations for people from all over the world?
If you are born into poverty in the uk, on average it takes your decendants 5 generations FIVE....to make it up to median income. Just across the water in Denmark where they give a shit about each other, it takes 2 generations. Why would you take initiative in the uk if you will never see the benefit, even vicariously through your children. Britain is a heartless society where everybody would rather nobody got anything out of worry that 1 person gets 50p too much. It is just so petty. These are our compatriots for christ sake. I hear a lot of talk, especially on the right, about loving your own country.... but as I see it, many many brits absolutely loathe their own cutbry and their compatriots. It is a very sad situation.
Indeed. See the contempt on this site for Rishi Sunak for his sin of having hard-working, hard-caring parents who spent every penny sending him to great schools, where he ALSO worked hard (head boy) and then got a really good lucrative job
What a wanker! How dare he! And an Indian! We like our minorities to be oppressed gang bangers who get wrongly shot by police while doing drug deals, thanks, so they don't get any uppity ideas about actually succeeding
He's done poorly as prime minister, failing on my terms, your terms, and even, damningly, his own terms.
But he was HEAD BOY. Fuck me, that turns it all around.
I know you don't like uppity immigrants and you prefer them to be shot by the Met Police so you can whine about it for ever in a middle middle class way that somehow satisfies you sexually, but this is Sunak's story:
"Sunak was born on 12 May 1980 in Southampton General Hospital in Southampton, Hampshire,[3][4] to East African-born Hindu parents of Indian Punjabi descent, Yashvir and Usha Sunak.[5][6][7] He attended Stroud School, a preparatory school in Romsey, and later studied at Winchester College as a dayboy, becoming head boy of the college.[8][9][10] He worked as a waiter in a curry house in Southampton during his summer holidays.[11][12] He read philosophy, politics and economics at Lincoln College, Oxford, graduating with a first in 2001.[10][13] During his time at university, he undertook an internship at Conservative Campaign Headquarters and joined the Conservative Party.[9] In 2006, Sunak earned a Master of Business Administration degree from Stanford University as a Fulbright Scholar.[13][14][15] While at Stanford, he met his future wife Akshata Murty, the daughter of Indian billionaire N. R. Narayana Murthy of Infosys.[16]"
His parents worked incredibly hard, he has worked incredibly hard. He has had the good fortune of being born very intelligent, but unlike some he has put it to good use, studying and working with great drive and eventually becoming prime minister of the United Kingdom as a second generation brown skinned immigrant. It is quite a remarkable story - as someone who is hugely skeptical of mass immigration, I personally would be much more in favour of it if every immigrant was like him or his family
You clearly feel different for your own sick perverse reasons. Well done
Is he a great prime minister? No. Is he a credit to himself, his family and the country they emigrated to? Yes
I’m glad at least. one other person on here has the guts to not follow the anti Sunak herd. Some of the bullshit posting about photos and asking about the football are just pathetic.
It's like a weird kind of sicko inverse racism. If your immigrant family works really hard and sends you to a fee paying school and you become successful in British society then somehow you have betrayed *something* - and "become one of them" - but how and why and what the F is going on there?? I can't even get my head around it
Does the left seriously prefer minorities as failures and victims they can always pity and agitate for? It does sometimes feel like that. In America as well as Britain.
If so, fuck it, if that's the country they want I am glad I no longer feel attached to it, as I once did
It's diseased
Minorities are most useful to those who 'tirelessly campaign' for them when they are downtrodden, the campaign isn't really about untreading. It's some sort of sick white saviour complex certain types have
It really is, and it is one total naked display here, tonight
If it was on naked display then you would be able to produce one quote to back your delusion up.
Labour is looking to introduce votes for 16 and 17-year-olds in its first year in government if it wins the election.
The party is closely studying how Scotland and Wales lowered the voting age and believes there is no reason why lowering the national voting age for general elections would need to take longer.
Sir Keir Starmer pledged to extend the franchise to younger voters in September with no indication of how quickly the policy would be implemented should it win the election. Party sources now say that while there is yet no commitment that the policy will be in the King’s Speech, it is nonetheless expected to be enacted quickly. “I would be extremely surprised if it wasn’t in the King’s Speech,” one said, describing the legislation needed as “extremely straightforward”.
This is the worst election launch in British history, isn’t it?
I suspect if I’m completely honest it’s only us obsessives who are really paying any attention. At the moment I suspect most of the country are simply aware there’s an election coming and Sunak got rained on, and are probably looking forward to the bank holiday.
But yes, it’s been pretty bad.
Most people are focusing on Euro 2024!
But not so much in Wales (Rishi to note) 😈
If Rishi had mentioned the football in a factory in England then he would have been hammered for assuming everyone in the factory was English or Scottish so had a team in the tournament. How awful he is for not having the sensitivity that there are workers in factories that don’t support purely the teams who have qualified - see, he’s so out of touch. Just because your nations team isn’t in the tournament it doesn’t mean you can’t be looking forward to it. Or some such.
The coverage as a whole is symptomatic of how utterly fucking pathetic our media has become. Obsessed with comedy photo ops and 'gotcha' moments to clip for social media, and daft questions that provide nothing in terms of illumination. Woodward and Bernstein they ain't.
It was perfectly encapsulated yesterday morning on Today. The morning after the election being called on the flagship current affairs programme and the lead angle was that some Tory MPs were flabbergasted, annoyed etc. not that we were getting a general election, the general election everyone was calling for and what that meant for the country, the correspondents had been spending their time whatsappung and being briefed how annoyed MPs were.
It’s a fucking pantomime and the politics is crap because the people who are supposed to be holding their feet to the fire are too invested in the pantomime themselfves. It’s a lot easier to earn your money as a politics journalist by repeating gossip than actually analysing the crap politicians are saying because the journalists, like the politicians, have very rarely actually done anything else of note which would make themselves think, “hang on a minute, when I was working in the steel industry if a boss did this they would be fucked, etc”.
Everything about this turd of a nation is fucked. The politics, the media, the economics, the attitudes, the morality. The way the entire deck is stacked against anyone getting out of their box for a moment. And the slack jaws hose down their bread and circuses clapping like seals for any shit they are told to. We are in the last days of Rome. I like a rant. Cleansing.
If it's so awful here, why is this country one of the top destinations for people from all over the world?
If you are born into poverty in the uk, on average it takes your decendants 5 generations FIVE....to make it up to median income. Just across the water in Denmark where they give a shit about each other, it takes 2 generations. Why would you take initiative in the uk if you will never see the benefit, even vicariously through your children. Britain is a heartless society where everybody would rather nobody got anything out of worry that 1 person gets 50p too much. It is just so petty. These are our compatriots for christ sake. I hear a lot of talk, especially on the right, about loving your own country.... but as I see it, many many brits absolutely loathe their own cutbry and their compatriots. It is a very sad situation.
Indeed. See the contempt on this site for Rishi Sunak for his sin of having hard-working, hard-caring parents who spent every penny sending him to great schools, where he ALSO worked hard (head boy) and then got a really good lucrative job
What a wanker! How dare he! And an Indian! We like our minorities to be oppressed gang bangers who get wrongly shot by police while doing drug deals, thanks, so they don't get any uppity ideas about actually succeeding
He's done poorly as prime minister, failing on my terms, your terms, and even, damningly, his own terms.
But he was HEAD BOY. Fuck me, that turns it all around.
I know you don't like uppity immigrants and you prefer them to be shot by the Met Police so you can whine about it for ever in a middle middle class way that somehow satisfies you sexually, but this is Sunak's story:
"Sunak was born on 12 May 1980 in Southampton General Hospital in Southampton, Hampshire,[3][4] to East African-born Hindu parents of Indian Punjabi descent, Yashvir and Usha Sunak.[5][6][7] He attended Stroud School, a preparatory school in Romsey, and later studied at Winchester College as a dayboy, becoming head boy of the college.[8][9][10] He worked as a waiter in a curry house in Southampton during his summer holidays.[11][12] He read philosophy, politics and economics at Lincoln College, Oxford, graduating with a first in 2001.[10][13] During his time at university, he undertook an internship at Conservative Campaign Headquarters and joined the Conservative Party.[9] In 2006, Sunak earned a Master of Business Administration degree from Stanford University as a Fulbright Scholar.[13][14][15] While at Stanford, he met his future wife Akshata Murty, the daughter of Indian billionaire N. R. Narayana Murthy of Infosys.[16]"
His parents worked incredibly hard, he has worked incredibly hard. He has had the good fortune of being born very intelligent, but unlike some he has put it to good use, studying and working with great drive and eventually becoming prime minister of the United Kingdom as a second generation brown skinned immigrant. It is quite a remarkable story - as someone who is hugely skeptical of mass immigration, I personally would be much more in favour of it if every immigrant was like him or his family
You clearly feel different for your own sick perverse reasons. Well done
Is he a great prime minister? No. Is he a credit to himself, his family and the country they emigrated to? Yes
I’m glad at least. one other person on here has the guts to not follow the anti Sunak herd. Some of the bullshit posting about photos and asking about the football are just pathetic.
It's like a weird kind of sicko inverse racism. If your immigrant family works really hard and sends you to a fee paying school and you become successful in British society then somehow you have betrayed *something* - and "become one of them" - but how and why and what the F is going on there?? I can't even get my head around it
Does the left seriously prefer minorities as failures and victims they can always pity and agitate for? It does sometimes feel like that. In America as well as Britain.
If so, fuck it, if that's the country they want I am glad I no longer feel attached to it, as I once did
It's diseased
Minorities are most useful to those who 'tirelessly campaign' for them when they are downtrodden, the campaign isn't really about untreading. It's some sort of sick white saviour complex certain types have
I see Leon's already on the sauce this evening...
Worcestershire, presumably.
(Had some the other evening, btw, on my monkfish alla tomatoes and olives and capers with rice.)
My parents comment on the news their Tory MP was the latest to step down 'is this rats deserting a sinking ship, unfair to their constituents and those who have campaigned for them in the past though at least should get rid of the career politicians.'
This is the worst election launch in British history, isn’t it?
I suspect if I’m completely honest it’s only us obsessives who are really paying any attention. At the moment I suspect most of the country are simply aware there’s an election coming and Sunak got rained on, and are probably looking forward to the bank holiday.
But yes, it’s been pretty bad.
Most people are focusing on Euro 2024!
But not so much in Wales (Rishi to note) 😈
If Rishi had mentioned the football in a factory in England then he would have been hammered for assuming everyone in the factory was English or Scottish so had a team in the tournament. How awful he is for not having the sensitivity that there are workers in factories that don’t support purely the teams who have qualified - see, he’s so out of touch. Just because your nations team isn’t in the tournament it doesn’t mean you can’t be looking forward to it. Or some such.
The coverage as a whole is symptomatic of how utterly fucking pathetic our media has become. Obsessed with comedy photo ops and 'gotcha' moments to clip for social media, and daft questions that provide nothing in terms of illumination. Woodward and Bernstein they ain't.
It was perfectly encapsulated yesterday morning on Today. The morning after the election being called on the flagship current affairs programme and the lead angle was that some Tory MPs were flabbergasted, annoyed etc. not that we were getting a general election, the general election everyone was calling for and what that meant for the country, the correspondents had been spending their time whatsappung and being briefed how annoyed MPs were.
It’s a fucking pantomime and the politics is crap because the people who are supposed to be holding their feet to the fire are too invested in the pantomime themselfves. It’s a lot easier to earn your money as a politics journalist by repeating gossip than actually analysing the crap politicians are saying because the journalists, like the politicians, have very rarely actually done anything else of note which would make themselves think, “hang on a minute, when I was working in the steel industry if a boss did this they would be fucked, etc”.
Everything about this turd of a nation is fucked. The politics, the media, the economics, the attitudes, the morality. The way the entire deck is stacked against anyone getting out of their box for a moment. And the slack jaws hose down their bread and circuses clapping like seals for any shit they are told to. We are in the last days of Rome. I like a rant. Cleansing.
If it's so awful here, why is this country one of the top destinations for people from all over the world?
If you are born into poverty in the uk, on average it takes your decendants 5 generations FIVE....to make it up to median income. Just across the water in Denmark where they give a shit about each other, it takes 2 generations. Why would you take initiative in the uk if you will never see the benefit, even vicariously through your children. Britain is a heartless society where everybody would rather nobody got anything out of worry that 1 person gets 50p too much. It is just so petty. These are our compatriots for christ sake. I hear a lot of talk, especially on the right, about loving your own country.... but as I see it, many many brits absolutely loathe their own cutbry and their compatriots. It is a very sad situation.
Indeed. See the contempt on this site for Rishi Sunak for his sin of having hard-working, hard-caring parents who spent every penny sending him to great schools, where he ALSO worked hard (head boy) and then got a really good lucrative job
What a wanker! How dare he! And an Indian! We like our minorities to be oppressed gang bangers who get wrongly shot by police while doing drug deals, thanks, so they don't get any uppity ideas about actually succeeding
He's done poorly as prime minister, failing on my terms, your terms, and even, damningly, his own terms.
But he was HEAD BOY. Fuck me, that turns it all around.
I know you don't like uppity immigrants and you prefer them to be shot by the Met Police so you can whine about it for ever in a middle middle class way that somehow satisfies you sexually, but this is Sunak's story:
"Sunak was born on 12 May 1980 in Southampton General Hospital in Southampton, Hampshire,[3][4] to East African-born Hindu parents of Indian Punjabi descent, Yashvir and Usha Sunak.[5][6][7] He attended Stroud School, a preparatory school in Romsey, and later studied at Winchester College as a dayboy, becoming head boy of the college.[8][9][10] He worked as a waiter in a curry house in Southampton during his summer holidays.[11][12] He read philosophy, politics and economics at Lincoln College, Oxford, graduating with a first in 2001.[10][13] During his time at university, he undertook an internship at Conservative Campaign Headquarters and joined the Conservative Party.[9] In 2006, Sunak earned a Master of Business Administration degree from Stanford University as a Fulbright Scholar.[13][14][15] While at Stanford, he met his future wife Akshata Murty, the daughter of Indian billionaire N. R. Narayana Murthy of Infosys.[16]"
His parents worked incredibly hard, he has worked incredibly hard. He has had the good fortune of being born very intelligent, but unlike some he has put it to good use, studying and working with great drive and eventually becoming prime minister of the United Kingdom as a second generation brown skinned immigrant. It is quite a remarkable story - as someone who is hugely skeptical of mass immigration, I personally would be much more in favour of it if every immigrant was like him or his family
You clearly feel different for your own sick perverse reasons. Well done
Is he a great prime minister? No. Is he a credit to himself, his family and the country they emigrated to? Yes
I’m glad at least. one other person on here has the guts to not follow the anti Sunak herd. Some of the bullshit posting about photos and asking about the football are just pathetic.
It's like a weird kind of sicko inverse racism. If your immigrant family works really hard and sends you to a fee paying school and you become successful in British society then somehow you have betrayed *something* - and "become one of them" - but how and why and what the F is going on there?? I can't even get my head around it
Does the left seriously prefer minorities as failures and victims they can always pity and agitate for? It does sometimes feel like that. In America as well as Britain.
If so, fuck it, if that's the country they want I am glad I no longer feel attached to it, as I once did
It's diseased
Minorities are most useful to those who 'tirelessly campaign' for them when they are downtrodden, the campaign isn't really about untreading. It's some sort of sick white saviour complex certain types have
“Don’t worry brown man, we will fight for you”
“Thanks but I’m really clever so I’m going to work hard and succeed”
“ you can’t, society is against you”
“Honestly, I’m ok, I’m doing really well”
“Only we can make sure you have a country you can succeed in”
“I’m already more successful than you”
“ you fucking turncoat traitor, how dare you not conform to our requirements of you and see things differently to us”.
“That’s why I’m off to to California with my billionaire wife - enjoy your self defeating battle”.
Remember all the responses to this? (I don't think I've posted an image today, but if I have, I beg an indulgence as we are close to midnight, with a penalty of no image permitted tomorrow).
That is quite an extroardinary and telling image, and says it all, and describes the condescending racism of @Farooq and @Foxy and @DM_Andy completely. They are racists, of the worst kind, because it comes dressed in fake kindness
Seriously, though. His handlers really, *really* hate him, don’t they?
(picture goes here)
This is getting rather pathetic. There are exit signs everywhere on a plane. Somebody takes a photo on their iphone its now a PR disaster. If Team Sunak was running around trying to cover up every exit sign or man-handling any journo who tries to take a snap, the press would be saying look how thin skinned he is.
Yes. It's less a sign of how rubbish Sunak or his campaign team are, but if how deeply unpopular he is that journos are scrabbling around to find/invent examples of him being crap.
Unless there comes to be a bit more substance to it I think it will be a game they will tire of pretty soon.
I think we can rely on Sunak to supply the substance. He is genuinely the guy in the video bragging about how he knew some working, well actually lower middle, class chaps at Oxford, huzzah. There's a lot of rich comedy to come.
With all due respect, Sunak doesn't really come from money. His parents owned a pharmacy and worked - one might imagine - 18 hour days to pay for their son to go to Winchester.
He went from there to Oxford to a Hedge Fund to Parliament. And I'm sure the connections he made on the way helped, but he isn't from some uber wealthy family or from old or new money.
Sunak strikes me as the typical upper middle class kid trying to fit in at a school full of poshos and being a chronic overachiever yet also carrying a chip on his shoulder the rest of his life, about those who had it all handed it all to them on a plate. And God knows, I know, because I'm from the same background.
The awkwardness, the sense of displacement, never quite leaves you. Existing in their world but never quite being one of them.
I have it on good authority from his neighbours he was laughed at when he showed up at his constituency in brand new wellies and barbour and Landie, but looking like all the gear and no idea. We all know the type. It took me years to feel comfortable with myself - Sunak strikes me as the sort who's 40-odd years old and has *still* not learned to feel comfortable with himself.
This is the George Osborne story too, isn't it? Looked down on, bullied to the point of having to change his name, always a bit self-conscious about it, found success in his 20s and headed for the top.
But Osborne recognised the problem. He knew in 2005 that he'd not be the next Tory PM. And, sure, there was a point in the middle of the last decade where probably he began to think "maybe, just maybe...", but he'd had the chance to grow in to himself a bit more by then - and, besides, Brexit scuppered it.
It can't be that uncommon, certainly not in Tory circles - but what sets Rishi apart is, as you say, that he hasn't learned to overcome it. Why not?
The most obvious answer is simply that he was promoted too far, too soon.
If he'd stayed Chief Secretary to the Treasury under Boris, and then became Chancellor under whoever happened to succeed him, he'd now be in pole position to become leader after the election. And he would almost certainly have done a better job of it than he's made of being PM.
So... it's the Dom Cummings / Sajid Javid spat that we should blame for how things have ended up?
Is that George Osborne, son of Felicity Alexandra Loxton-Peacock and Sir Peter Osborne, 17th Baronet, co-founder of the firm of fabric and wallpaper designers Osborne & Little?
Yes. Bullied because his parents were "in trade" rather than being landowners. Madness, eh?
But even Sunak, a couple of notches further down the social scale, was still far beyond what the vast majority of us will ever experience. Or Gordon Brown, "humble son of the manse" - except that was a deeply respected position (and his father did a stint as Moderator of the CoS!), and he'd almost certainly have been the poshest boy in his school.
The Uk class system is the scourge of this country. It leads to horrible behaviour at the top and worse massive economic underperformance. Sometimes I wonder is it better to be germany in 1945 starting from scrtach again.
The UK class system remains a ridiculous who's who of old school ties, secret handshakes and pecking orders. And we all know it. We're just not supposed to say it.
We claim it has become more meritocratic in the 21st century, but there will always be a difference between, say BoJo and Cameron, vs Rishi and Osborne. And this is the narcissism of small differences - the top 0.1% vs the top 1%. With the other 99% not getting a look in.
And, as Leon points out, this is all increasingly irrelevant against the cavalcade of foreign oligarchs, who could buy the entire lot of us out and still have change left for the jukebox, and a few goes on the pool table.
But the private education system still trains us to think in those old outdated class terms, and it's probably inescapable for anyone who went through the system, at least at that point in time.
As I said on a thread the other day, there is a certain type of chap who went to Charterhouse (et al), who still thinks he's better than Elon Musk even if he's living in a bedsit above a bookies, because that was the order of things.
It's probably why the UK feels the way it does in the 21st century - a strutting peacock, with no feathers.
I'm astonished that so many people think the class system is still important in the UK. Look at Keir Starmer - from an ordinary background.
What's the percentage of our PMs who went to public school? What's the percentage who went to Eton? How does that percentage compare to society at large?
Only 34% of barristers went to state school.
60% of charting musicians in 2010 went to private schools. Don't quote me on the number of actors. etc.
The disproportionate sway the 7% that were privately educated have over British public life is enormous, and we'd be fools to dismiss it, against all the statistical evidence. And I say this as one of the 7%.
Is it a Masonic Brotherhood, with a secret handshake where *only* those who know the secret code can get on in life? Of course not. Is it a club to which membership grants enormous perks, from networking with the right sort at an early age, to knowing how to behave at dinner? Of course.
The UK is as divided by class as it's always been.
It’s not as simple as secret handshakes. It’s because Public/Private schools have facilities and extracurricular activities that lend themselves to success in a lot of these sectors.
Debating societies are big at public schools, and debating from a young age either attracts kids to the cut and thrust of being a barrister or gives them an advantage in years of soft practice. Public schools usually have a couple of theatres and each house does annual plays along with school plays and side productions and the facilities and grounds make it possible for theatre troupes to perform easily and regularly so again, pupils get exposure and experience.
It’s not that state school kids are missing out on contacts more that state schools cannot provide the facilities, time, money, desire, to do the things that make entry into these areas easier, or frankly make it something that their students are aware of as a career.
First stop is to change the school system so they don’t all fuck off home at 3pm and school is until at least 6pm, preferably with every pupil having some food, and doing their homework on premises and doing activities in these extra hours - these extra hours that stop one of the parents having to work part time to get home to look after the kids at 3pm which would improve productivity.
Shame about the loss of playing fields, though. Council libraries. And so on.
Absolutely - that’s not the fault of the public schools though, it’s the fault of successive governments and an obsession with quick money over long term investment in people and business that infects the country.
I want every child to have the education I had. I loved it. I would contemplate going back tomorrow if it didn’t look a bit dodgy a man in his forties going to a boys boarding school. I want every kid in the uk to eat like a pig three times a day, have to play spots seven hours a week and cultural exercise a minimum of five hours a week and the facilities to do that. I want parents to also hand over their kids to the school for many more hours and the state to support that because we will have a better country, the best investment we could make.
That should be the first thing alongside defence the state should pay for. Then work out what health spending is vital, the what’s good then what’s “nice”.
Build the foundations well, healthy educated interested happy children will create a better country. Maybe give them all black shirts or something so they all feel part of a whole.
I've always felt the same. State schools should match Public Schools. It's easy - take the average fees that a Conservative Cabinet are prepared to pay for their own children, and that is what each state school should get per child. My children aren't worth less than (say) Jacob Rees-Mogg's, surely? if it's worth it for them, it's worth it for mine, and defintely worth it for children from less advantaged backgrounds than mine or JRM's. No Tory could argue with that, surely?
Labour is looking to introduce votes for 16 and 17-year-olds in its first year in government if it wins the election.
The party is closely studying how Scotland and Wales lowered the voting age and believes there is no reason why lowering the national voting age for general elections would need to take longer.
Sir Keir Starmer pledged to extend the franchise to younger voters in September with no indication of how quickly the policy would be implemented should it win the election. Party sources now say that while there is yet no commitment that the policy will be in the King’s Speech, it is nonetheless expected to be enacted quickly. “I would be extremely surprised if it wasn’t in the King’s Speech,” one said, describing the legislation needed as “extremely straightforward”.
I am against this. I am not convinced that 16 year olds are mature enough for the vote. They will have a lifetime of voting after they turn 18.
People love to slam the Tories for allegedly using voter ID to suppress votes against them. Will they slam this as a naked attempt to garner more youth votes for Labour? One man’s gerrymandering is another’s increasing the democratic franchise…
This is one of those election campaigns that mirrors one of those pub football games where one side is so much better than the other that ,to make a game of it. they start to lend a few of their players to the other side- just to keep it interesting - Here have Jezza Corbyn and Galloway .Tell you what we will muck up selection in Leicester East for you to have a chance there- Even Reform are doing it by not running Farage
And yet.... and yet. The vast majority of people who will vote on July 4 couldn't give a tinkers cuss about Gove stepping down or Rishi standing near a sign saying 'exit' or the rain, or Starmer having a stinker of an interview this morning or Newsnight being bad for Holden. They're waiting to see manifestos and enjoy an egging if one transpires. The whole narrative of 'disaster campaign' has been invented in 48 hours and exists in the heads of political obsessives like us. There are people on social media tonight convinced a funny photo and asking Welsh dudes about footy means Canada 93 is nailed on. I'm guessing it's their first rodeo.
This is the worst election launch in British history, isn’t it?
I suspect if I’m completely honest it’s only us obsessives who are really paying any attention. At the moment I suspect most of the country are simply aware there’s an election coming and Sunak got rained on, and are probably looking forward to the bank holiday.
But yes, it’s been pretty bad.
Most people are focusing on Euro 2024!
But not so much in Wales (Rishi to note) 😈
If Rishi had mentioned the football in a factory in England then he would have been hammered for assuming everyone in the factory was English or Scottish so had a team in the tournament. How awful he is for not having the sensitivity that there are workers in factories that don’t support purely the teams who have qualified - see, he’s so out of touch. Just because your nations team isn’t in the tournament it doesn’t mean you can’t be looking forward to it. Or some such.
The coverage as a whole is symptomatic of how utterly fucking pathetic our media has become. Obsessed with comedy photo ops and 'gotcha' moments to clip for social media, and daft questions that provide nothing in terms of illumination. Woodward and Bernstein they ain't.
It was perfectly encapsulated yesterday morning on Today. The morning after the election being called on the flagship current affairs programme and the lead angle was that some Tory MPs were flabbergasted, annoyed etc. not that we were getting a general election, the general election everyone was calling for and what that meant for the country, the correspondents had been spending their time whatsappung and being briefed how annoyed MPs were.
It’s a fucking pantomime and the politics is crap because the people who are supposed to be holding their feet to the fire are too invested in the pantomime themselfves. It’s a lot easier to earn your money as a politics journalist by repeating gossip than actually analysing the crap politicians are saying because the journalists, like the politicians, have very rarely actually done anything else of note which would make themselves think, “hang on a minute, when I was working in the steel industry if a boss did this they would be fucked, etc”.
Everything about this turd of a nation is fucked. The politics, the media, the economics, the attitudes, the morality. The way the entire deck is stacked against anyone getting out of their box for a moment. And the slack jaws hose down their bread and circuses clapping like seals for any shit they are told to. We are in the last days of Rome. I like a rant. Cleansing.
If it's so awful here, why is this country one of the top destinations for people from all over the world?
If you are born into poverty in the uk, on average it takes your decendants 5 generations FIVE....to make it up to median income. Just across the water in Denmark where they give a shit about each other, it takes 2 generations. Why would you take initiative in the uk if you will never see the benefit, even vicariously through your children. Britain is a heartless society where everybody would rather nobody got anything out of worry that 1 person gets 50p too much. It is just so petty. These are our compatriots for christ sake. I hear a lot of talk, especially on the right, about loving your own country.... but as I see it, many many brits absolutely loathe their own cutbry and their compatriots. It is a very sad situation.
Indeed. See the contempt on this site for Rishi Sunak for his sin of having hard-working, hard-caring parents who spent every penny sending him to great schools, where he ALSO worked hard (head boy) and then got a really good lucrative job
What a wanker! How dare he! And an Indian! We like our minorities to be oppressed gang bangers who get wrongly shot by police while doing drug deals, thanks, so they don't get any uppity ideas about actually succeeding
He's done poorly as prime minister, failing on my terms, your terms, and even, damningly, his own terms.
But he was HEAD BOY. Fuck me, that turns it all around.
I know you don't like uppity immigrants and you prefer them to be shot by the Met Police so you can whine about it for ever in a middle middle class way that somehow satisfies you sexually, but this is Sunak's story:
"Sunak was born on 12 May 1980 in Southampton General Hospital in Southampton, Hampshire,[3][4] to East African-born Hindu parents of Indian Punjabi descent, Yashvir and Usha Sunak.[5][6][7] He attended Stroud School, a preparatory school in Romsey, and later studied at Winchester College as a dayboy, becoming head boy of the college.[8][9][10] He worked as a waiter in a curry house in Southampton during his summer holidays.[11][12] He read philosophy, politics and economics at Lincoln College, Oxford, graduating with a first in 2001.[10][13] During his time at university, he undertook an internship at Conservative Campaign Headquarters and joined the Conservative Party.[9] In 2006, Sunak earned a Master of Business Administration degree from Stanford University as a Fulbright Scholar.[13][14][15] While at Stanford, he met his future wife Akshata Murty, the daughter of Indian billionaire N. R. Narayana Murthy of Infosys.[16]"
His parents worked incredibly hard, he has worked incredibly hard. He has had the good fortune of being born very intelligent, but unlike some he has put it to good use, studying and working with great drive and eventually becoming prime minister of the United Kingdom as a second generation brown skinned immigrant. It is quite a remarkable story - as someone who is hugely skeptical of mass immigration, I personally would be much more in favour of it if every immigrant was like him or his family
You clearly feel different for your own sick perverse reasons. Well done
Is he a great prime minister? No. Is he a credit to himself, his family and the country they emigrated to? Yes
I’m glad at least. one other person on here has the guts to not follow the anti Sunak herd. Some of the bullshit posting about photos and asking about the football are just pathetic.
It's like a weird kind of sicko inverse racism. If your immigrant family works really hard and sends you to a fee paying school and you become successful in British society then somehow you have betrayed *something* - and "become one of them" - but how and why and what the F is going on there?? I can't even get my head around it
Does the left seriously prefer minorities as failures and victims they can always pity and agitate for? It does sometimes feel like that. In America as well as Britain.
If so, fuck it, if that's the country they want I am glad I no longer feel attached to it, as I once did
It's diseased
Minorities are most useful to those who 'tirelessly campaign' for them when they are downtrodden, the campaign isn't really about untreading. It's some sort of sick white saviour complex certain types have
“Don’t worry brown man, we will fight for you”
“Thanks but I’m really clever so I’m going to work hard and succeed”
“ you can’t, society is against you”
“Honestly, I’m ok, I’m doing really well”
“Only we can make sure you have a country you can succeed in”
“I’m already more successful than you”
“ you fucking turncoat traitor, how dare you not conform to our requirements of you and see things differently to us”.
“That’s why I’m off to to California with my billionaire wife - enjoy your self defeating battle”.
You live in a really weird world inside your own head.
Who here has ever said anything along those lines?
Do you honestly not recognise a strand in society that gets miffed that people who they think, by virtue of their skin colour or religion, should automatically vote with them? Now you are clearly bright but if you don’t accept that’s a real situation then you are naïve.
Voting blocks are a thing. Coconuts are an abusive term for real and it’s the fact that certain sections cannot understand that the colour of your skin doesn’t determine how you are politically.
Labour is looking to introduce votes for 16 and 17-year-olds in its first year in government if it wins the election.
The party is closely studying how Scotland and Wales lowered the voting age and believes there is no reason why lowering the national voting age for general elections would need to take longer.
Sir Keir Starmer pledged to extend the franchise to younger voters in September with no indication of how quickly the policy would be implemented should it win the election. Party sources now say that while there is yet no commitment that the policy will be in the King’s Speech, it is nonetheless expected to be enacted quickly. “I would be extremely surprised if it wasn’t in the King’s Speech,” one said, describing the legislation needed as “extremely straightforward”.
Labour is looking to introduce votes for 16 and 17-year-olds in its first year in government if it wins the election.
The party is closely studying how Scotland and Wales lowered the voting age and believes there is no reason why lowering the national voting age for general elections would need to take longer.
Sir Keir Starmer pledged to extend the franchise to younger voters in September with no indication of how quickly the policy would be implemented should it win the election. Party sources now say that while there is yet no commitment that the policy will be in the King’s Speech, it is nonetheless expected to be enacted quickly. “I would be extremely surprised if it wasn’t in the King’s Speech,” one said, describing the legislation needed as “extremely straightforward”.
I am against this. I am not convinced that 16 year olds are mature enough for the vote. They will have a lifetime of voting after they turn 18.
People love to slam the Tories for allegedly using voter ID to suppress votes against them. Will they slam this as a naked attempt to garner more youth votes for Labour? One man’s gerrymandering is another’s increasing the democratic franchise…
It's interesting that they're talking about this and not actual voting reform though.
Albeit given what their criminal, oops, Welsh wing came up with on that subject that's probably a good thing.
Labour is looking to introduce votes for 16 and 17-year-olds in its first year in government if it wins the election.
The party is closely studying how Scotland and Wales lowered the voting age and believes there is no reason why lowering the national voting age for general elections would need to take longer.
Sir Keir Starmer pledged to extend the franchise to younger voters in September with no indication of how quickly the policy would be implemented should it win the election. Party sources now say that while there is yet no commitment that the policy will be in the King’s Speech, it is nonetheless expected to be enacted quickly. “I would be extremely surprised if it wasn’t in the King’s Speech,” one said, describing the legislation needed as “extremely straightforward”.
Not a fan of that idea personally, I accept things don't need to be 100% consistent but I believe it goes against the trend of treating 16 year olds more like children than adults, but I think that it has happened there meant it was pretty inevitable to happen overall, and it's a simple change to enact versus wasting political capital for grander reform of the Lords or whatever (even my own simplistic proposals to quickly improve it).
Labour is looking to introduce votes for 16 and 17-year-olds in its first year in government if it wins the election.
The party is closely studying how Scotland and Wales lowered the voting age and believes there is no reason why lowering the national voting age for general elections would need to take longer.
Sir Keir Starmer pledged to extend the franchise to younger voters in September with no indication of how quickly the policy would be implemented should it win the election. Party sources now say that while there is yet no commitment that the policy will be in the King’s Speech, it is nonetheless expected to be enacted quickly. “I would be extremely surprised if it wasn’t in the King’s Speech,” one said, describing the legislation needed as “extremely straightforward”.
Labour is looking to introduce votes for 16 and 17-year-olds in its first year in government if it wins the election.
The party is closely studying how Scotland and Wales lowered the voting age and believes there is no reason why lowering the national voting age for general elections would need to take longer.
Sir Keir Starmer pledged to extend the franchise to younger voters in September with no indication of how quickly the policy would be implemented should it win the election. Party sources now say that while there is yet no commitment that the policy will be in the King’s Speech, it is nonetheless expected to be enacted quickly. “I would be extremely surprised if it wasn’t in the King’s Speech,” one said, describing the legislation needed as “extremely straightforward”.
I am against this. I am not convinced that 16 year olds are mature enough for the vote. They will have a lifetime of voting after they turn 18.
People love to slam the Tories for allegedly using voter ID to suppress votes against them. Will they slam this as a naked attempt to garner more youth votes for Labour? One man’s gerrymandering is another’s increasing the democratic franchise…
Likewise, I think you need to be a tax payer before you should be allowed to vote and nowadays you have to be in full time education until you are 18...
Labour is looking to introduce votes for 16 and 17-year-olds in its first year in government if it wins the election.
The party is closely studying how Scotland and Wales lowered the voting age and believes there is no reason why lowering the national voting age for general elections would need to take longer.
Sir Keir Starmer pledged to extend the franchise to younger voters in September with no indication of how quickly the policy would be implemented should it win the election. Party sources now say that while there is yet no commitment that the policy will be in the King’s Speech, it is nonetheless expected to be enacted quickly. “I would be extremely surprised if it wasn’t in the King’s Speech,” one said, describing the legislation needed as “extremely straightforward”.
I am against this. I am not convinced that 16 year olds are mature enough for the vote. They will have a lifetime of voting after they turn 18.
People love to slam the Tories for allegedly using voter ID to suppress votes against them. Will they slam this as a naked attempt to garner more youth votes for Labour? One man’s gerrymandering is another’s increasing the democratic franchise…
I was against it then went to Scotland in 2014 and some of the best arguments/campaigners on both sides were sixteen and seventeen year olds.
This is the worst election launch in British history, isn’t it?
I suspect if I’m completely honest it’s only us obsessives who are really paying any attention. At the moment I suspect most of the country are simply aware there’s an election coming and Sunak got rained on, and are probably looking forward to the bank holiday.
But yes, it’s been pretty bad.
Most people are focusing on Euro 2024!
But not so much in Wales (Rishi to note) 😈
If Rishi had mentioned the football in a factory in England then he would have been hammered for assuming everyone in the factory was English or Scottish so had a team in the tournament. How awful he is for not having the sensitivity that there are workers in factories that don’t support purely the teams who have qualified - see, he’s so out of touch. Just because your nations team isn’t in the tournament it doesn’t mean you can’t be looking forward to it. Or some such.
The coverage as a whole is symptomatic of how utterly fucking pathetic our media has become. Obsessed with comedy photo ops and 'gotcha' moments to clip for social media, and daft questions that provide nothing in terms of illumination. Woodward and Bernstein they ain't.
It was perfectly encapsulated yesterday morning on Today. The morning after the election being called on the flagship current affairs programme and the lead angle was that some Tory MPs were flabbergasted, annoyed etc. not that we were getting a general election, the general election everyone was calling for and what that meant for the country, the correspondents had been spending their time whatsappung and being briefed how annoyed MPs were.
It’s a fucking pantomime and the politics is crap because the people who are supposed to be holding their feet to the fire are too invested in the pantomime themselfves. It’s a lot easier to earn your money as a politics journalist by repeating gossip than actually analysing the crap politicians are saying because the journalists, like the politicians, have very rarely actually done anything else of note which would make themselves think, “hang on a minute, when I was working in the steel industry if a boss did this they would be fucked, etc”.
Everything about this turd of a nation is fucked. The politics, the media, the economics, the attitudes, the morality. The way the entire deck is stacked against anyone getting out of their box for a moment. And the slack jaws hose down their bread and circuses clapping like seals for any shit they are told to. We are in the last days of Rome. I like a rant. Cleansing.
If it's so awful here, why is this country one of the top destinations for people from all over the world?
If you are born into poverty in the uk, on average it takes your decendants 5 generations FIVE....to make it up to median income. Just across the water in Denmark where they give a shit about each other, it takes 2 generations. Why would you take initiative in the uk if you will never see the benefit, even vicariously through your children. Britain is a heartless society where everybody would rather nobody got anything out of worry that 1 person gets 50p too much. It is just so petty. These are our compatriots for christ sake. I hear a lot of talk, especially on the right, about loving your own country.... but as I see it, many many brits absolutely loathe their own cutbry and their compatriots. It is a very sad situation.
Indeed. See the contempt on this site for Rishi Sunak for his sin of having hard-working, hard-caring parents who spent every penny sending him to great schools, where he ALSO worked hard (head boy) and then got a really good lucrative job
What a wanker! How dare he! And an Indian! We like our minorities to be oppressed gang bangers who get wrongly shot by police while doing drug deals, thanks, so they don't get any uppity ideas about actually succeeding
He's done poorly as prime minister, failing on my terms, your terms, and even, damningly, his own terms.
But he was HEAD BOY. Fuck me, that turns it all around.
I know you don't like uppity immigrants and you prefer them to be shot by the Met Police so you can whine about it for ever in a middle middle class way that somehow satisfies you sexually, but this is Sunak's story:
"Sunak was born on 12 May 1980 in Southampton General Hospital in Southampton, Hampshire,[3][4] to East African-born Hindu parents of Indian Punjabi descent, Yashvir and Usha Sunak.[5][6][7] He attended Stroud School, a preparatory school in Romsey, and later studied at Winchester College as a dayboy, becoming head boy of the college.[8][9][10] He worked as a waiter in a curry house in Southampton during his summer holidays.[11][12] He read philosophy, politics and economics at Lincoln College, Oxford, graduating with a first in 2001.[10][13] During his time at university, he undertook an internship at Conservative Campaign Headquarters and joined the Conservative Party.[9] In 2006, Sunak earned a Master of Business Administration degree from Stanford University as a Fulbright Scholar.[13][14][15] While at Stanford, he met his future wife Akshata Murty, the daughter of Indian billionaire N. R. Narayana Murthy of Infosys.[16]"
His parents worked incredibly hard, he has worked incredibly hard. He has had the good fortune of being born very intelligent, but unlike some he has put it to good use, studying and working with great drive and eventually becoming prime minister of the United Kingdom as a second generation brown skinned immigrant. It is quite a remarkable story - as someone who is hugely skeptical of mass immigration, I personally would be much more in favour of it if every immigrant was like him or his family
You clearly feel different for your own sick perverse reasons. Well done
Is he a great prime minister? No. Is he a credit to himself, his family and the country they emigrated to? Yes
Another part of perception, we somehow despise *effort*. Cf my ex, pointing out that to work at all was infra dig. This is part of the national consciousness, and probably explains generational unemployment in Jaywick as much as it does my well-heeled ex.
So Boris was lauded for being effortless, doing little work, delegating, being a bit of a buffoon, etc. Whereas Rishi, despite his many accomplishments is written off as a try hard. And believe me an MBA at Stanford is much more impressive and academically rigorous than Classics at Oxford.
Sadly it's the national culture, or national disease. To be seen to try is to be a bit of a loser, whether you're a working class kid in a sink school, or the next PM. And it explains a lot about the state this country is in.
It's interesting, isn't it that it's the complete opposite in our sporting stars?
There is a dissertation in that somewhere. "We want physical prowess to be the product of effort, but intellectual and social prowess to be effortless. Why is that, and is it the product of societal conditioning? Discuss."
I've no answer to that question but I'd love to read the paper if it was ever published.
There are two diametrically opposite reasons to make someone Head Boy. (1) He's a natural leader of men, a sportsman of renown, an intellectual paragon beyond his years or (2) He's a bit of a nurd but he might get into Oxford if we boosted his self-esteem; wouldn't try higher than Lincoln, though.
Rishi Sunak is no David Watts.
Full disclosure: I was Head Boy, and neither am I.
This is the worst election launch in British history, isn’t it?
I suspect if I’m completely honest it’s only us obsessives who are really paying any attention. At the moment I suspect most of the country are simply aware there’s an election coming and Sunak got rained on, and are probably looking forward to the bank holiday.
But yes, it’s been pretty bad.
Most people are focusing on Euro 2024!
But not so much in Wales (Rishi to note) 😈
If Rishi had mentioned the football in a factory in England then he would have been hammered for assuming everyone in the factory was English or Scottish so had a team in the tournament. How awful he is for not having the sensitivity that there are workers in factories that don’t support purely the teams who have qualified - see, he’s so out of touch. Just because your nations team isn’t in the tournament it doesn’t mean you can’t be looking forward to it. Or some such.
The coverage as a whole is symptomatic of how utterly fucking pathetic our media has become. Obsessed with comedy photo ops and 'gotcha' moments to clip for social media, and daft questions that provide nothing in terms of illumination. Woodward and Bernstein they ain't.
It was perfectly encapsulated yesterday morning on Today. The morning after the election being called on the flagship current affairs programme and the lead angle was that some Tory MPs were flabbergasted, annoyed etc. not that we were getting a general election, the general election everyone was calling for and what that meant for the country, the correspondents had been spending their time whatsappung and being briefed how annoyed MPs were.
It’s a fucking pantomime and the politics is crap because the people who are supposed to be holding their feet to the fire are too invested in the pantomime themselfves. It’s a lot easier to earn your money as a politics journalist by repeating gossip than actually analysing the crap politicians are saying because the journalists, like the politicians, have very rarely actually done anything else of note which would make themselves think, “hang on a minute, when I was working in the steel industry if a boss did this they would be fucked, etc”.
Everything about this turd of a nation is fucked. The politics, the media, the economics, the attitudes, the morality. The way the entire deck is stacked against anyone getting out of their box for a moment. And the slack jaws hose down their bread and circuses clapping like seals for any shit they are told to. We are in the last days of Rome. I like a rant. Cleansing.
If it's so awful here, why is this country one of the top destinations for people from all over the world?
If you are born into poverty in the uk, on average it takes your decendants 5 generations FIVE....to make it up to median income. Just across the water in Denmark where they give a shit about each other, it takes 2 generations. Why would you take initiative in the uk if you will never see the benefit, even vicariously through your children. Britain is a heartless society where everybody would rather nobody got anything out of worry that 1 person gets 50p too much. It is just so petty. These are our compatriots for christ sake. I hear a lot of talk, especially on the right, about loving your own country.... but as I see it, many many brits absolutely loathe their own cutbry and their compatriots. It is a very sad situation.
Indeed. See the contempt on this site for Rishi Sunak for his sin of having hard-working, hard-caring parents who spent every penny sending him to great schools, where he ALSO worked hard (head boy) and then got a really good lucrative job
What a wanker! How dare he! And an Indian! We like our minorities to be oppressed gang bangers who get wrongly shot by police while doing drug deals, thanks, so they don't get any uppity ideas about actually succeeding
He's done poorly as prime minister, failing on my terms, your terms, and even, damningly, his own terms.
But he was HEAD BOY. Fuck me, that turns it all around.
I know you don't like uppity immigrants and you prefer them to be shot by the Met Police so you can whine about it for ever in a middle middle class way that somehow satisfies you sexually, but this is Sunak's story:
"Sunak was born on 12 May 1980 in Southampton General Hospital in Southampton, Hampshire,[3][4] to East African-born Hindu parents of Indian Punjabi descent, Yashvir and Usha Sunak.[5][6][7] He attended Stroud School, a preparatory school in Romsey, and later studied at Winchester College as a dayboy, becoming head boy of the college.[8][9][10] He worked as a waiter in a curry house in Southampton during his summer holidays.[11][12] He read philosophy, politics and economics at Lincoln College, Oxford, graduating with a first in 2001.[10][13] During his time at university, he undertook an internship at Conservative Campaign Headquarters and joined the Conservative Party.[9] In 2006, Sunak earned a Master of Business Administration degree from Stanford University as a Fulbright Scholar.[13][14][15] While at Stanford, he met his future wife Akshata Murty, the daughter of Indian billionaire N. R. Narayana Murthy of Infosys.[16]"
His parents worked incredibly hard, he has worked incredibly hard. He has had the good fortune of being born very intelligent, but unlike some he has put it to good use, studying and working with great drive and eventually becoming prime minister of the United Kingdom as a second generation brown skinned immigrant. It is quite a remarkable story - as someone who is hugely skeptical of mass immigration, I personally would be much more in favour of it if every immigrant was like him or his family
You clearly feel different for your own sick perverse reasons. Well done
Is he a great prime minister? No. Is he a credit to himself, his family and the country they emigrated to? Yes
I’m glad at least. one other person on here has the guts to not follow the anti Sunak herd. Some of the bullshit posting about photos and asking about the football are just pathetic.
It's like a weird kind of sicko inverse racism. If your immigrant family works really hard and sends you to a fee paying school and you become successful in British society then somehow you have betrayed *something* - and "become one of them" - but how and why and what the F is going on there?? I can't even get my head around it
Does the left seriously prefer minorities as failures and victims they can always pity and agitate for? It does sometimes feel like that. In America as well as Britain.
If so, fuck it, if that's the country they want I am glad I no longer feel attached to it, as I once did
It's diseased
Minorities are most useful to those who 'tirelessly campaign' for them when they are downtrodden, the campaign isn't really about untreading. It's some sort of sick white saviour complex certain types have
I see Leon's already on the sauce this evening...
There's nothing "already" about 2220 on a Friday evening
I find this whole conversation bizarre though. The views that brown immigrants are bad, and Wykehamists are good, are two cheeks of the one a*se. It's like saying this guy was the son of slaves, but they gave him such a good education that now he can afford to own slaves himself. huzzah!
This is the worst election launch in British history, isn’t it?
I suspect if I’m completely honest it’s only us obsessives who are really paying any attention. At the moment I suspect most of the country are simply aware there’s an election coming and Sunak got rained on, and are probably looking forward to the bank holiday.
But yes, it’s been pretty bad.
Most people are focusing on Euro 2024!
But not so much in Wales (Rishi to note) 😈
If Rishi had mentioned the football in a factory in England then he would have been hammered for assuming everyone in the factory was English or Scottish so had a team in the tournament. How awful he is for not having the sensitivity that there are workers in factories that don’t support purely the teams who have qualified - see, he’s so out of touch. Just because your nations team isn’t in the tournament it doesn’t mean you can’t be looking forward to it. Or some such.
The coverage as a whole is symptomatic of how utterly fucking pathetic our media has become. Obsessed with comedy photo ops and 'gotcha' moments to clip for social media, and daft questions that provide nothing in terms of illumination. Woodward and Bernstein they ain't.
It was perfectly encapsulated yesterday morning on Today. The morning after the election being called on the flagship current affairs programme and the lead angle was that some Tory MPs were flabbergasted, annoyed etc. not that we were getting a general election, the general election everyone was calling for and what that meant for the country, the correspondents had been spending their time whatsappung and being briefed how annoyed MPs were.
It’s a fucking pantomime and the politics is crap because the people who are supposed to be holding their feet to the fire are too invested in the pantomime themselfves. It’s a lot easier to earn your money as a politics journalist by repeating gossip than actually analysing the crap politicians are saying because the journalists, like the politicians, have very rarely actually done anything else of note which would make themselves think, “hang on a minute, when I was working in the steel industry if a boss did this they would be fucked, etc”.
Everything about this turd of a nation is fucked. The politics, the media, the economics, the attitudes, the morality. The way the entire deck is stacked against anyone getting out of their box for a moment. And the slack jaws hose down their bread and circuses clapping like seals for any shit they are told to. We are in the last days of Rome. I like a rant. Cleansing.
If it's so awful here, why is this country one of the top destinations for people from all over the world?
If you are born into poverty in the uk, on average it takes your decendants 5 generations FIVE....to make it up to median income. Just across the water in Denmark where they give a shit about each other, it takes 2 generations. Why would you take initiative in the uk if you will never see the benefit, even vicariously through your children. Britain is a heartless society where everybody would rather nobody got anything out of worry that 1 person gets 50p too much. It is just so petty. These are our compatriots for christ sake. I hear a lot of talk, especially on the right, about loving your own country.... but as I see it, many many brits absolutely loathe their own cutbry and their compatriots. It is a very sad situation.
Indeed. See the contempt on this site for Rishi Sunak for his sin of having hard-working, hard-caring parents who spent every penny sending him to great schools, where he ALSO worked hard (head boy) and then got a really good lucrative job
What a wanker! How dare he! And an Indian! We like our minorities to be oppressed gang bangers who get wrongly shot by police while doing drug deals, thanks, so they don't get any uppity ideas about actually succeeding
He's done poorly as prime minister, failing on my terms, your terms, and even, damningly, his own terms.
But he was HEAD BOY. Fuck me, that turns it all around.
I know you don't like uppity immigrants and you prefer them to be shot by the Met Police so you can whine about it for ever in a middle middle class way that somehow satisfies you sexually, but this is Sunak's story:
"Sunak was born on 12 May 1980 in Southampton General Hospital in Southampton, Hampshire,[3][4] to East African-born Hindu parents of Indian Punjabi descent, Yashvir and Usha Sunak.[5][6][7] He attended Stroud School, a preparatory school in Romsey, and later studied at Winchester College as a dayboy, becoming head boy of the college.[8][9][10] He worked as a waiter in a curry house in Southampton during his summer holidays.[11][12] He read philosophy, politics and economics at Lincoln College, Oxford, graduating with a first in 2001.[10][13] During his time at university, he undertook an internship at Conservative Campaign Headquarters and joined the Conservative Party.[9] In 2006, Sunak earned a Master of Business Administration degree from Stanford University as a Fulbright Scholar.[13][14][15] While at Stanford, he met his future wife Akshata Murty, the daughter of Indian billionaire N. R. Narayana Murthy of Infosys.[16]"
His parents worked incredibly hard, he has worked incredibly hard. He has had the good fortune of being born very intelligent, but unlike some he has put it to good use, studying and working with great drive and eventually becoming prime minister of the United Kingdom as a second generation brown skinned immigrant. It is quite a remarkable story - as someone who is hugely skeptical of mass immigration, I personally would be much more in favour of it if every immigrant was like him or his family
You clearly feel different for your own sick perverse reasons. Well done
Is he a great prime minister? No. Is he a credit to himself, his family and the country they emigrated to? Yes
I’m glad at least. one other person on here has the guts to not follow the anti Sunak herd. Some of the bullshit posting about photos and asking about the football are just pathetic.
It's like a weird kind of sicko inverse racism. If your immigrant family works really hard and sends you to a fee paying school and you become successful in British society then somehow you have betrayed *something* - and "become one of them" - but how and why and what the F is going on there?? I can't even get my head around it
Does the left seriously prefer minorities as failures and victims they can always pity and agitate for? It does sometimes feel like that. In America as well as Britain.
If so, fuck it, if that's the country they want I am glad I no longer feel attached to it, as I once did
It's diseased
Minorities are most useful to those who 'tirelessly campaign' for them when they are downtrodden, the campaign isn't really about untreading. It's some sort of sick white saviour complex certain types have
“Don’t worry brown man, we will fight for you”
“Thanks but I’m really clever so I’m going to work hard and succeed”
“ you can’t, society is against you”
“Honestly, I’m ok, I’m doing really well”
“Only we can make sure you have a country you can succeed in”
“I’m already more successful than you”
“ you fucking turncoat traitor, how dare you not conform to our requirements of you and see things differently to us”.
“That’s why I’m off to to California with my billionaire wife - enjoy your self defeating battle”.
Remember all the responses to this? (I don't think I've posted an image today, but if I have, I beg an indulgence as we are close to midnight, with a penalty of no image permitted tomorrow).
That is quite an extroardinary and telling image, and says it all, and describes the condescending racism of @Farooq and @Foxy and @DM_Andy completely. They are racists, of the worst kind, because it comes dressed in fake kindness
And with that, night night
That's libelous. Good night Leon and I hope you have a clearer head in the morning.
Not paying tax because it is no longer a tax is a big improvement on playing games to avoid paying it (and I do note that earlier in this thread I was suggesting moving money early to avoid paying such tax).
This is the worst election launch in British history, isn’t it?
I suspect if I’m completely honest it’s only us obsessives who are really paying any attention. At the moment I suspect most of the country are simply aware there’s an election coming and Sunak got rained on, and are probably looking forward to the bank holiday.
But yes, it’s been pretty bad.
Most people are focusing on Euro 2024!
But not so much in Wales (Rishi to note) 😈
If Rishi had mentioned the football in a factory in England then he would have been hammered for assuming everyone in the factory was English or Scottish so had a team in the tournament. How awful he is for not having the sensitivity that there are workers in factories that don’t support purely the teams who have qualified - see, he’s so out of touch. Just because your nations team isn’t in the tournament it doesn’t mean you can’t be looking forward to it. Or some such.
The coverage as a whole is symptomatic of how utterly fucking pathetic our media has become. Obsessed with comedy photo ops and 'gotcha' moments to clip for social media, and daft questions that provide nothing in terms of illumination. Woodward and Bernstein they ain't.
It was perfectly encapsulated yesterday morning on Today. The morning after the election being called on the flagship current affairs programme and the lead angle was that some Tory MPs were flabbergasted, annoyed etc. not that we were getting a general election, the general election everyone was calling for and what that meant for the country, the correspondents had been spending their time whatsappung and being briefed how annoyed MPs were.
It’s a fucking pantomime and the politics is crap because the people who are supposed to be holding their feet to the fire are too invested in the pantomime themselfves. It’s a lot easier to earn your money as a politics journalist by repeating gossip than actually analysing the crap politicians are saying because the journalists, like the politicians, have very rarely actually done anything else of note which would make themselves think, “hang on a minute, when I was working in the steel industry if a boss did this they would be fucked, etc”.
Everything about this turd of a nation is fucked. The politics, the media, the economics, the attitudes, the morality. The way the entire deck is stacked against anyone getting out of their box for a moment. And the slack jaws hose down their bread and circuses clapping like seals for any shit they are told to. We are in the last days of Rome. I like a rant. Cleansing.
If it's so awful here, why is this country one of the top destinations for people from all over the world?
If you are born into poverty in the uk, on average it takes your decendants 5 generations FIVE....to make it up to median income. Just across the water in Denmark where they give a shit about each other, it takes 2 generations. Why would you take initiative in the uk if you will never see the benefit, even vicariously through your children. Britain is a heartless society where everybody would rather nobody got anything out of worry that 1 person gets 50p too much. It is just so petty. These are our compatriots for christ sake. I hear a lot of talk, especially on the right, about loving your own country.... but as I see it, many many brits absolutely loathe their own cutbry and their compatriots. It is a very sad situation.
Indeed. See the contempt on this site for Rishi Sunak for his sin of having hard-working, hard-caring parents who spent every penny sending him to great schools, where he ALSO worked hard (head boy) and then got a really good lucrative job
What a wanker! How dare he! And an Indian! We like our minorities to be oppressed gang bangers who get wrongly shot by police while doing drug deals, thanks, so they don't get any uppity ideas about actually succeeding
He's done poorly as prime minister, failing on my terms, your terms, and even, damningly, his own terms.
But he was HEAD BOY. Fuck me, that turns it all around.
I know you don't like uppity immigrants and you prefer them to be shot by the Met Police so you can whine about it for ever in a middle middle class way that somehow satisfies you sexually, but this is Sunak's story:
"Sunak was born on 12 May 1980 in Southampton General Hospital in Southampton, Hampshire,[3][4] to East African-born Hindu parents of Indian Punjabi descent, Yashvir and Usha Sunak.[5][6][7] He attended Stroud School, a preparatory school in Romsey, and later studied at Winchester College as a dayboy, becoming head boy of the college.[8][9][10] He worked as a waiter in a curry house in Southampton during his summer holidays.[11][12] He read philosophy, politics and economics at Lincoln College, Oxford, graduating with a first in 2001.[10][13] During his time at university, he undertook an internship at Conservative Campaign Headquarters and joined the Conservative Party.[9] In 2006, Sunak earned a Master of Business Administration degree from Stanford University as a Fulbright Scholar.[13][14][15] While at Stanford, he met his future wife Akshata Murty, the daughter of Indian billionaire N. R. Narayana Murthy of Infosys.[16]"
His parents worked incredibly hard, he has worked incredibly hard. He has had the good fortune of being born very intelligent, but unlike some he has put it to good use, studying and working with great drive and eventually becoming prime minister of the United Kingdom as a second generation brown skinned immigrant. It is quite a remarkable story - as someone who is hugely skeptical of mass immigration, I personally would be much more in favour of it if every immigrant was like him or his family
You clearly feel different for your own sick perverse reasons. Well done
Is he a great prime minister? No. Is he a credit to himself, his family and the country they emigrated to? Yes
I’m glad at least. one other person on here has the guts to not follow the anti Sunak herd. Some of the bullshit posting about photos and asking about the football are just pathetic.
I don't dislike Sunak. He is just way out of his depth as PM and got promoted far too soon in almost everything in his life.
He has never had to learn from failure. Not until now anyway. It will be pretty devastating for him personally.
His parents are first generation Asian immigrants from East Africa. That right there is a handicap he had to overcome. He is also - let's face it - a short-arse, five foot six. I am pretty sure he has had subtle ribbing all his life, at prep school and later on, I'd be surprised if he wasn't bullied - a tiny bright Indian kid - certes
Despite all that he became head boy at Winchester, got a First at Oxford, and then became a Fulbright Scholar at Stanford and got an MBA. And married a billionaire woman. This speaks of quite a driven, notably clever, and very hard working and charming man - also honest and tee-total. How can this not be exemplary? What would you prefer? That he failed a bit and did heroin? That he fucked up and joined the Mafia?
Honestly, there is a pathological streak on the Left which will only accept and praise BAME people if they are terrible failures and probably hen-fucking ket addicts. It's fucking weird
I live and work amongst East African Asian Doctors and Pharmacists!
One of the best things that the Conservatives ever did was support the move of East African Asians to Britain when Amin chucked them out.
I have great admiration for their culture of hard work and academic work, and they often do describe episodes of racism along the way.
But it is the simple truth that Sunak has led a gilded life. Prep School, Winchester College, a flat bought for him in London aged 22 for his first job in the City. Selected for a safe seat, and rapidly promoted. He has never had to experience the bitter taste of failure. Sure he has worked hard too, I have never denied that.
This is why he has been such a failure as PM. He has never had to learn to eat humble pie, to develop humility, or to listen to others advice on how to do better. So he doesn't know how. He might have been a decent PM if he had a decade in opposition rather than straight into government.
Labour is looking to introduce votes for 16 and 17-year-olds in its first year in government if it wins the election.
The party is closely studying how Scotland and Wales lowered the voting age and believes there is no reason why lowering the national voting age for general elections would need to take longer.
Sir Keir Starmer pledged to extend the franchise to younger voters in September with no indication of how quickly the policy would be implemented should it win the election. Party sources now say that while there is yet no commitment that the policy will be in the King’s Speech, it is nonetheless expected to be enacted quickly. “I would be extremely surprised if it wasn’t in the King’s Speech,” one said, describing the legislation needed as “extremely straightforward”.
I am against this. I am not convinced that 16 year olds are mature enough for the vote. They will have a lifetime of voting after they turn 18.
People love to slam the Tories for allegedly using voter ID to suppress votes against them. Will they slam this as a naked attempt to garner more youth votes for Labour? One man’s gerrymandering is another’s increasing the democratic franchise…
I was against it then went to Scotland in 2014 and some of the best arguments/campaigners on both sides were sixteen and seventeen year olds.
Annabel Goldie in the Scots Pmt back in 2015 passing the Scots legislation unanimously (same linky as I posted just now):
'Conservative MSP Annabel Goldie told MSPs that the bill was an important moment for young people and democracy.
"This bill heralds an exciting era for our young people," she said.
"I think it is an opportunity for them to continue their high level of engagement in topical affairs that we saw with the independence referendum."'
I just went thru my personal characteristics to see if I could legitimately put myself forward as a Conservative candidate. Despite some sincere leanings towards the centre-right, particularly regards crime, the military and defence, I rapidly concluded that they would not accept me. Which may be a bit of a pity.
Well at least Gove was on the right side of the Brexit divide, unlike that chancer Cameron.
Except he wasn't. That was the oddest thing. Gove for years had been Eurosceptic because he blamed the EU for destroying his parents' fishing business. Then his father popped up and said it wasn't the EU, and he'd just retired. Gove's political philosophy (or at least that part of it) was founded on a misapprehension.
He was still on the right side of the argument even if for mistaken reasons.
IMV subsequent events have shown that Brexit was the wrong side of the argument. A divisive, pointless argument which has damaged the country.
I have a vague impression, perhaps wrong, that you will disagree with me on this...
Comprehensively. If it was divisive well, that is politics for you and that was as much because of those who would not accept the result as those who embraced it. And of course it certainly wasn't pointless as history will show. Nor do I believe it has damaged the country. It is the Tory party that has done that and they would still have been there being useless with or without Brexit.
I imagine there were many in North America claiming that American Independence was divisive, pointless and damaged the country. We don't remember their whining today.
One of the great “what ifs” of history, is to envisage a world where the revolt is put down.
Does slavery get abolished in 1833, or does the fight over slavery extend across the empire?
Does British America expand West? Would there be an American Indian State, perhaps becoming a British dominion?
Does South West America remain part of Mexico?
No. Yes.
Yes. No.
No.
I generally think there would not be the same sense of mission to expand West, on the part of colonial authorities, nor the same level of immigration.
Perhaps not same sense of mission, but something similar.
Note that after 1815, expansion of settlement into Upper Canada > Ontario was quite rapid, including significant number of overseas immigrants.
Further expansion of settlement and immigration from Ontario most went toward destinations further west, but into the US, not Rupert's Land > Northwest Territory, which remained a massive fir-trapping preserve as long as transportation links were limited to birchbark & similar, and there was land & opportunity available south of the border.
AND when railroads made the Canadian Northwest more accessible, first via US feeder lines then over the Canadian Pacific, there was another rapid expansion of settlement AND also mass immigration, both strongly encouraged by the express policy of federal governments of Canada both Grit (Liberal) and Tory.
Addendum - Forgot to say that, in both USA and Canada, process of settlement expansion and immigration was largely driven from the bottom up.
The top-down policy and activity of governments on both sides of the border being primarily a reflection of demands from the economy, demography and society of each emerging nation.
Manitoba being one example with respect to British North America > Canada.
This is the worst election launch in British history, isn’t it?
I suspect if I’m completely honest it’s only us obsessives who are really paying any attention. At the moment I suspect most of the country are simply aware there’s an election coming and Sunak got rained on, and are probably looking forward to the bank holiday.
But yes, it’s been pretty bad.
Most people are focusing on Euro 2024!
But not so much in Wales (Rishi to note) 😈
If Rishi had mentioned the football in a factory in England then he would have been hammered for assuming everyone in the factory was English or Scottish so had a team in the tournament. How awful he is for not having the sensitivity that there are workers in factories that don’t support purely the teams who have qualified - see, he’s so out of touch. Just because your nations team isn’t in the tournament it doesn’t mean you can’t be looking forward to it. Or some such.
The coverage as a whole is symptomatic of how utterly fucking pathetic our media has become. Obsessed with comedy photo ops and 'gotcha' moments to clip for social media, and daft questions that provide nothing in terms of illumination. Woodward and Bernstein they ain't.
It was perfectly encapsulated yesterday morning on Today. The morning after the election being called on the flagship current affairs programme and the lead angle was that some Tory MPs were flabbergasted, annoyed etc. not that we were getting a general election, the general election everyone was calling for and what that meant for the country, the correspondents had been spending their time whatsappung and being briefed how annoyed MPs were.
It’s a fucking pantomime and the politics is crap because the people who are supposed to be holding their feet to the fire are too invested in the pantomime themselfves. It’s a lot easier to earn your money as a politics journalist by repeating gossip than actually analysing the crap politicians are saying because the journalists, like the politicians, have very rarely actually done anything else of note which would make themselves think, “hang on a minute, when I was working in the steel industry if a boss did this they would be fucked, etc”.
Everything about this turd of a nation is fucked. The politics, the media, the economics, the attitudes, the morality. The way the entire deck is stacked against anyone getting out of their box for a moment. And the slack jaws hose down their bread and circuses clapping like seals for any shit they are told to. We are in the last days of Rome. I like a rant. Cleansing.
If it's so awful here, why is this country one of the top destinations for people from all over the world?
If you are born into poverty in the uk, on average it takes your decendants 5 generations FIVE....to make it up to median income. Just across the water in Denmark where they give a shit about each other, it takes 2 generations. Why would you take initiative in the uk if you will never see the benefit, even vicariously through your children. Britain is a heartless society where everybody would rather nobody got anything out of worry that 1 person gets 50p too much. It is just so petty. These are our compatriots for christ sake. I hear a lot of talk, especially on the right, about loving your own country.... but as I see it, many many brits absolutely loathe their own cutbry and their compatriots. It is a very sad situation.
Indeed. See the contempt on this site for Rishi Sunak for his sin of having hard-working, hard-caring parents who spent every penny sending him to great schools, where he ALSO worked hard (head boy) and then got a really good lucrative job
What a wanker! How dare he! And an Indian! We like our minorities to be oppressed gang bangers who get wrongly shot by police while doing drug deals, thanks, so they don't get any uppity ideas about actually succeeding
He's done poorly as prime minister, failing on my terms, your terms, and even, damningly, his own terms.
But he was HEAD BOY. Fuck me, that turns it all around.
I know you don't like uppity immigrants and you prefer them to be shot by the Met Police so you can whine about it for ever in a middle middle class way that somehow satisfies you sexually, but this is Sunak's story:
"Sunak was born on 12 May 1980 in Southampton General Hospital in Southampton, Hampshire,[3][4] to East African-born Hindu parents of Indian Punjabi descent, Yashvir and Usha Sunak.[5][6][7] He attended Stroud School, a preparatory school in Romsey, and later studied at Winchester College as a dayboy, becoming head boy of the college.[8][9][10] He worked as a waiter in a curry house in Southampton during his summer holidays.[11][12] He read philosophy, politics and economics at Lincoln College, Oxford, graduating with a first in 2001.[10][13] During his time at university, he undertook an internship at Conservative Campaign Headquarters and joined the Conservative Party.[9] In 2006, Sunak earned a Master of Business Administration degree from Stanford University as a Fulbright Scholar.[13][14][15] While at Stanford, he met his future wife Akshata Murty, the daughter of Indian billionaire N. R. Narayana Murthy of Infosys.[16]"
His parents worked incredibly hard, he has worked incredibly hard. He has had the good fortune of being born very intelligent, but unlike some he has put it to good use, studying and working with great drive and eventually becoming prime minister of the United Kingdom as a second generation brown skinned immigrant. It is quite a remarkable story - as someone who is hugely skeptical of mass immigration, I personally would be much more in favour of it if every immigrant was like him or his family
You clearly feel different for your own sick perverse reasons. Well done
Is he a great prime minister? No. Is he a credit to himself, his family and the country they emigrated to? Yes
I’m glad at least. one other person on here has the guts to not follow the anti Sunak herd. Some of the bullshit posting about photos and asking about the football are just pathetic.
It's like a weird kind of sicko inverse racism. If your immigrant family works really hard and sends you to a fee paying school and you become successful in British society then somehow you have betrayed *something* - and "become one of them" - but how and why and what the F is going on there?? I can't even get my head around it
Does the left seriously prefer minorities as failures and victims they can always pity and agitate for? It does sometimes feel like that. In America as well as Britain.
If so, fuck it, if that's the country they want I am glad I no longer feel attached to it, as I once did
It's diseased
Minorities are most useful to those who 'tirelessly campaign' for them when they are downtrodden, the campaign isn't really about untreading. It's some sort of sick white saviour complex certain types have
I see Leon's already on the sauce this evening...
There's nothing "already" about 2220 on a Friday evening
I find this whole conversation bizarre though. The views that brown immigrants are bad, and Wykehamists are good, are two cheeks of the one a*se. It's like saying this guy was the son of slaves, but they gave him such a good education that now he can afford to own slaves himself. huzzah!
Failing to see the problem with this. Rishi treats his slaves very well.
This is the worst election launch in British history, isn’t it?
I suspect if I’m completely honest it’s only us obsessives who are really paying any attention. At the moment I suspect most of the country are simply aware there’s an election coming and Sunak got rained on, and are probably looking forward to the bank holiday.
But yes, it’s been pretty bad.
Most people are focusing on Euro 2024!
But not so much in Wales (Rishi to note) 😈
If Rishi had mentioned the football in a factory in England then he would have been hammered for assuming everyone in the factory was English or Scottish so had a team in the tournament. How awful he is for not having the sensitivity that there are workers in factories that don’t support purely the teams who have qualified - see, he’s so out of touch. Just because your nations team isn’t in the tournament it doesn’t mean you can’t be looking forward to it. Or some such.
The coverage as a whole is symptomatic of how utterly fucking pathetic our media has become. Obsessed with comedy photo ops and 'gotcha' moments to clip for social media, and daft questions that provide nothing in terms of illumination. Woodward and Bernstein they ain't.
It was perfectly encapsulated yesterday morning on Today. The morning after the election being called on the flagship current affairs programme and the lead angle was that some Tory MPs were flabbergasted, annoyed etc. not that we were getting a general election, the general election everyone was calling for and what that meant for the country, the correspondents had been spending their time whatsappung and being briefed how annoyed MPs were.
It’s a fucking pantomime and the politics is crap because the people who are supposed to be holding their feet to the fire are too invested in the pantomime themselfves. It’s a lot easier to earn your money as a politics journalist by repeating gossip than actually analysing the crap politicians are saying because the journalists, like the politicians, have very rarely actually done anything else of note which would make themselves think, “hang on a minute, when I was working in the steel industry if a boss did this they would be fucked, etc”.
Everything about this turd of a nation is fucked. The politics, the media, the economics, the attitudes, the morality. The way the entire deck is stacked against anyone getting out of their box for a moment. And the slack jaws hose down their bread and circuses clapping like seals for any shit they are told to. We are in the last days of Rome. I like a rant. Cleansing.
If it's so awful here, why is this country one of the top destinations for people from all over the world?
If you are born into poverty in the uk, on average it takes your decendants 5 generations FIVE....to make it up to median income. Just across the water in Denmark where they give a shit about each other, it takes 2 generations. Why would you take initiative in the uk if you will never see the benefit, even vicariously through your children. Britain is a heartless society where everybody would rather nobody got anything out of worry that 1 person gets 50p too much. It is just so petty. These are our compatriots for christ sake. I hear a lot of talk, especially on the right, about loving your own country.... but as I see it, many many brits absolutely loathe their own cutbry and their compatriots. It is a very sad situation.
Indeed. See the contempt on this site for Rishi Sunak for his sin of having hard-working, hard-caring parents who spent every penny sending him to great schools, where he ALSO worked hard (head boy) and then got a really good lucrative job
What a wanker! How dare he! And an Indian! We like our minorities to be oppressed gang bangers who get wrongly shot by police while doing drug deals, thanks, so they don't get any uppity ideas about actually succeeding
He's done poorly as prime minister, failing on my terms, your terms, and even, damningly, his own terms.
But he was HEAD BOY. Fuck me, that turns it all around.
I know you don't like uppity immigrants and you prefer them to be shot by the Met Police so you can whine about it for ever in a middle middle class way that somehow satisfies you sexually, but this is Sunak's story:
"Sunak was born on 12 May 1980 in Southampton General Hospital in Southampton, Hampshire,[3][4] to East African-born Hindu parents of Indian Punjabi descent, Yashvir and Usha Sunak.[5][6][7] He attended Stroud School, a preparatory school in Romsey, and later studied at Winchester College as a dayboy, becoming head boy of the college.[8][9][10] He worked as a waiter in a curry house in Southampton during his summer holidays.[11][12] He read philosophy, politics and economics at Lincoln College, Oxford, graduating with a first in 2001.[10][13] During his time at university, he undertook an internship at Conservative Campaign Headquarters and joined the Conservative Party.[9] In 2006, Sunak earned a Master of Business Administration degree from Stanford University as a Fulbright Scholar.[13][14][15] While at Stanford, he met his future wife Akshata Murty, the daughter of Indian billionaire N. R. Narayana Murthy of Infosys.[16]"
His parents worked incredibly hard, he has worked incredibly hard. He has had the good fortune of being born very intelligent, but unlike some he has put it to good use, studying and working with great drive and eventually becoming prime minister of the United Kingdom as a second generation brown skinned immigrant. It is quite a remarkable story - as someone who is hugely skeptical of mass immigration, I personally would be much more in favour of it if every immigrant was like him or his family
You clearly feel different for your own sick perverse reasons. Well done
Is he a great prime minister? No. Is he a credit to himself, his family and the country they emigrated to? Yes
I’m glad at least. one other person on here has the guts to not follow the anti Sunak herd. Some of the bullshit posting about photos and asking about the football are just pathetic.
I don't dislike Sunak. He is just way out of his depth as PM and got promoted far too soon in almost everything in his life.
He has never had to learn from failure. Not until now anyway. It will be pretty devastating for him personally.
Yes, Rishi has had a very successful life so far but to win national elections you also have to have had some hard knocks and empathise, that is how the likes of Harry Truman and John Major won against the odds despite having had educations and careers no where near as stellar as his.
Indeed often the highest flyers in their careers who end up party leaders end up either losing elections or being none too successful in the top job, eg Mitt Romney, Hillary Clinton, Hague, Stoiber in Germany, Gordon Brown, Eden, Rishi, Ignatieff in Canada, Turnbull in Australia etc.
The greatest PMs and Presidents though eg Churchill, Attlee, Thatcher, Blair, Kohl, John Howard and Bob Hawke, Reagan, FDR, Clinton were often not top tier in their previous careers or intellect but knew what needed to be done and could connect with their voters
Labour is looking to introduce votes for 16 and 17-year-olds in its first year in government if it wins the election.
The party is closely studying how Scotland and Wales lowered the voting age and believes there is no reason why lowering the national voting age for general elections would need to take longer.
Sir Keir Starmer pledged to extend the franchise to younger voters in September with no indication of how quickly the policy would be implemented should it win the election. Party sources now say that while there is yet no commitment that the policy will be in the King’s Speech, it is nonetheless expected to be enacted quickly. “I would be extremely surprised if it wasn’t in the King’s Speech,” one said, describing the legislation needed as “extremely straightforward”.
I am against this. I am not convinced that 16 year olds are mature enough for the vote. They will have a lifetime of voting after they turn 18.
People love to slam the Tories for allegedly using voter ID to suppress votes against them. Will they slam this as a naked attempt to garner more youth votes for Labour? One man’s gerrymandering is another’s increasing the democratic franchise…
I was against it then went to Scotland in 2014 and some of the best arguments/campaigners on both sides were sixteen and seventeen year olds.
I'd raise it to 21 tbh. I was an idiot who knew nothing of how the world worked fresh out of school. It took a couple of years of being in the real world before I got a handle on how things worked. And a decade or so more after that...
16 year olds are children. 18 year olds are barely better, but given we allow them the right to drink, drive, get shot at for their country, leave home and tell their parents to do one at around this time, it seems to be the consensus age of majority.
Can any of us say we felt grown up at sixteen? Really?
Labour is looking to introduce votes for 16 and 17-year-olds in its first year in government if it wins the election.
The party is closely studying how Scotland and Wales lowered the voting age and believes there is no reason why lowering the national voting age for general elections would need to take longer.
Sir Keir Starmer pledged to extend the franchise to younger voters in September with no indication of how quickly the policy would be implemented should it win the election. Party sources now say that while there is yet no commitment that the policy will be in the King’s Speech, it is nonetheless expected to be enacted quickly. “I would be extremely surprised if it wasn’t in the King’s Speech,” one said, describing the legislation needed as “extremely straightforward”.
I am against this. I am not convinced that 16 year olds are mature enough for the vote. They will have a lifetime of voting after they turn 18.
People love to slam the Tories for allegedly using voter ID to suppress votes against them. Will they slam this as a naked attempt to garner more youth votes for Labour? One man’s gerrymandering is another’s increasing the democratic franchise…
I’m in my 50s. I’m not certain people in their 30s are mature enough to vote…
This is one of those election campaigns that mirrors one of those pub football games where one side is so much better than the other that ,to make a game of it. they start to lend a few of their players to the other side- just to keep it interesting - Here have Jezza Corbyn and Galloway .Tell you what we will muck up selection in Leicester East for you to have a chance there- Even Reform are doing it by not running Farage
And yet.... and yet. The vast majority of people who will vote on July 4 couldn't give a tinkers cuss about Gove stepping down or Rishi standing near a sign saying 'exit' or the rain, or Starmer having a stinker of an interview this morning or Newsnight being bad for Holden. They're waiting to see manifestos and enjoy an egging if one transpires. The whole narrative of 'disaster campaign' has been invented in 48 hours and exists in the heads of political obsessives like us. There are people on social media tonight convinced a funny photo and asking Welsh dudes about footy means Canada 93 is nailed on. I'm guessing it's their first rodeo.
I was with you until you claimed people are “waiting to see manifestos”! Most people pay no attention to such things.
This is the worst election launch in British history, isn’t it?
I suspect if I’m completely honest it’s only us obsessives who are really paying any attention. At the moment I suspect most of the country are simply aware there’s an election coming and Sunak got rained on, and are probably looking forward to the bank holiday.
But yes, it’s been pretty bad.
Most people are focusing on Euro 2024!
But not so much in Wales (Rishi to note) 😈
If Rishi had mentioned the football in a factory in England then he would have been hammered for assuming everyone in the factory was English or Scottish so had a team in the tournament. How awful he is for not having the sensitivity that there are workers in factories that don’t support purely the teams who have qualified - see, he’s so out of touch. Just because your nations team isn’t in the tournament it doesn’t mean you can’t be looking forward to it. Or some such.
The coverage as a whole is symptomatic of how utterly fucking pathetic our media has become. Obsessed with comedy photo ops and 'gotcha' moments to clip for social media, and daft questions that provide nothing in terms of illumination. Woodward and Bernstein they ain't.
It was perfectly encapsulated yesterday morning on Today. The morning after the election being called on the flagship current affairs programme and the lead angle was that some Tory MPs were flabbergasted, annoyed etc. not that we were getting a general election, the general election everyone was calling for and what that meant for the country, the correspondents had been spending their time whatsappung and being briefed how annoyed MPs were.
It’s a fucking pantomime and the politics is crap because the people who are supposed to be holding their feet to the fire are too invested in the pantomime themselfves. It’s a lot easier to earn your money as a politics journalist by repeating gossip than actually analysing the crap politicians are saying because the journalists, like the politicians, have very rarely actually done anything else of note which would make themselves think, “hang on a minute, when I was working in the steel industry if a boss did this they would be fucked, etc”.
Everything about this turd of a nation is fucked. The politics, the media, the economics, the attitudes, the morality. The way the entire deck is stacked against anyone getting out of their box for a moment. And the slack jaws hose down their bread and circuses clapping like seals for any shit they are told to. We are in the last days of Rome. I like a rant. Cleansing.
If it's so awful here, why is this country one of the top destinations for people from all over the world?
If you are born into poverty in the uk, on average it takes your decendants 5 generations FIVE....to make it up to median income. Just across the water in Denmark where they give a shit about each other, it takes 2 generations. Why would you take initiative in the uk if you will never see the benefit, even vicariously through your children. Britain is a heartless society where everybody would rather nobody got anything out of worry that 1 person gets 50p too much. It is just so petty. These are our compatriots for christ sake. I hear a lot of talk, especially on the right, about loving your own country.... but as I see it, many many brits absolutely loathe their own cutbry and their compatriots. It is a very sad situation.
Indeed. See the contempt on this site for Rishi Sunak for his sin of having hard-working, hard-caring parents who spent every penny sending him to great schools, where he ALSO worked hard (head boy) and then got a really good lucrative job
What a wanker! How dare he! And an Indian! We like our minorities to be oppressed gang bangers who get wrongly shot by police while doing drug deals, thanks, so they don't get any uppity ideas about actually succeeding
He's done poorly as prime minister, failing on my terms, your terms, and even, damningly, his own terms.
But he was HEAD BOY. Fuck me, that turns it all around.
I know you don't like uppity immigrants and you prefer them to be shot by the Met Police so you can whine about it for ever in a middle middle class way that somehow satisfies you sexually, but this is Sunak's story:
"Sunak was born on 12 May 1980 in Southampton General Hospital in Southampton, Hampshire,[3][4] to East African-born Hindu parents of Indian Punjabi descent, Yashvir and Usha Sunak.[5][6][7] He attended Stroud School, a preparatory school in Romsey, and later studied at Winchester College as a dayboy, becoming head boy of the college.[8][9][10] He worked as a waiter in a curry house in Southampton during his summer holidays.[11][12] He read philosophy, politics and economics at Lincoln College, Oxford, graduating with a first in 2001.[10][13] During his time at university, he undertook an internship at Conservative Campaign Headquarters and joined the Conservative Party.[9] In 2006, Sunak earned a Master of Business Administration degree from Stanford University as a Fulbright Scholar.[13][14][15] While at Stanford, he met his future wife Akshata Murty, the daughter of Indian billionaire N. R. Narayana Murthy of Infosys.[16]"
His parents worked incredibly hard, he has worked incredibly hard. He has had the good fortune of being born very intelligent, but unlike some he has put it to good use, studying and working with great drive and eventually becoming prime minister of the United Kingdom as a second generation brown skinned immigrant. It is quite a remarkable story - as someone who is hugely skeptical of mass immigration, I personally would be much more in favour of it if every immigrant was like him or his family
You clearly feel different for your own sick perverse reasons. Well done
Is he a great prime minister? No. Is he a credit to himself, his family and the country they emigrated to? Yes
I’m glad at least. one other person on here has the guts to not follow the anti Sunak herd. Some of the bullshit posting about photos and asking about the football are just pathetic.
It's like a weird kind of sicko inverse racism. If your immigrant family works really hard and sends you to a fee paying school and you become successful in British society then somehow you have betrayed *something* - and "become one of them" - but how and why and what the F is going on there?? I can't even get my head around it
Does the left seriously prefer minorities as failures and victims they can always pity and agitate for? It does sometimes feel like that. In America as well as Britain.
If so, fuck it, if that's the country they want I am glad I no longer feel attached to it, as I once did
It's diseased
Minorities are most useful to those who 'tirelessly campaign' for them when they are downtrodden, the campaign isn't really about untreading. It's some sort of sick white saviour complex certain types have
“Don’t worry brown man, we will fight for you”
“Thanks but I’m really clever so I’m going to work hard and succeed”
“ you can’t, society is against you”
“Honestly, I’m ok, I’m doing really well”
“Only we can make sure you have a country you can succeed in”
“I’m already more successful than you”
“ you fucking turncoat traitor, how dare you not conform to our requirements of you and see things differently to us”.
“That’s why I’m off to to California with my billionaire wife - enjoy your self defeating battle”.
You live in a really weird world inside your own head.
Who here has ever said anything along those lines?
This is the worst election launch in British history, isn’t it?
I suspect if I’m completely honest it’s only us obsessives who are really paying any attention. At the moment I suspect most of the country are simply aware there’s an election coming and Sunak got rained on, and are probably looking forward to the bank holiday.
But yes, it’s been pretty bad.
Most people are focusing on Euro 2024!
But not so much in Wales (Rishi to note) 😈
If Rishi had mentioned the football in a factory in England then he would have been hammered for assuming everyone in the factory was English or Scottish so had a team in the tournament. How awful he is for not having the sensitivity that there are workers in factories that don’t support purely the teams who have qualified - see, he’s so out of touch. Just because your nations team isn’t in the tournament it doesn’t mean you can’t be looking forward to it. Or some such.
The coverage as a whole is symptomatic of how utterly fucking pathetic our media has become. Obsessed with comedy photo ops and 'gotcha' moments to clip for social media, and daft questions that provide nothing in terms of illumination. Woodward and Bernstein they ain't.
It was perfectly encapsulated yesterday morning on Today. The morning after the election being called on the flagship current affairs programme and the lead angle was that some Tory MPs were flabbergasted, annoyed etc. not that we were getting a general election, the general election everyone was calling for and what that meant for the country, the correspondents had been spending their time whatsappung and being briefed how annoyed MPs were.
It’s a fucking pantomime and the politics is crap because the people who are supposed to be holding their feet to the fire are too invested in the pantomime themselfves. It’s a lot easier to earn your money as a politics journalist by repeating gossip than actually analysing the crap politicians are saying because the journalists, like the politicians, have very rarely actually done anything else of note which would make themselves think, “hang on a minute, when I was working in the steel industry if a boss did this they would be fucked, etc”.
Everything about this turd of a nation is fucked. The politics, the media, the economics, the attitudes, the morality. The way the entire deck is stacked against anyone getting out of their box for a moment. And the slack jaws hose down their bread and circuses clapping like seals for any shit they are told to. We are in the last days of Rome. I like a rant. Cleansing.
If it's so awful here, why is this country one of the top destinations for people from all over the world?
If you are born into poverty in the uk, on average it takes your decendants 5 generations FIVE....to make it up to median income. Just across the water in Denmark where they give a shit about each other, it takes 2 generations. Why would you take initiative in the uk if you will never see the benefit, even vicariously through your children. Britain is a heartless society where everybody would rather nobody got anything out of worry that 1 person gets 50p too much. It is just so petty. These are our compatriots for christ sake. I hear a lot of talk, especially on the right, about loving your own country.... but as I see it, many many brits absolutely loathe their own cutbry and their compatriots. It is a very sad situation.
Indeed. See the contempt on this site for Rishi Sunak for his sin of having hard-working, hard-caring parents who spent every penny sending him to great schools, where he ALSO worked hard (head boy) and then got a really good lucrative job
What a wanker! How dare he! And an Indian! We like our minorities to be oppressed gang bangers who get wrongly shot by police while doing drug deals, thanks, so they don't get any uppity ideas about actually succeeding
He's done poorly as prime minister, failing on my terms, your terms, and even, damningly, his own terms.
But he was HEAD BOY. Fuck me, that turns it all around.
I know you don't like uppity immigrants and you prefer them to be shot by the Met Police so you can whine about it for ever in a middle middle class way that somehow satisfies you sexually, but this is Sunak's story:
"Sunak was born on 12 May 1980 in Southampton General Hospital in Southampton, Hampshire,[3][4] to East African-born Hindu parents of Indian Punjabi descent, Yashvir and Usha Sunak.[5][6][7] He attended Stroud School, a preparatory school in Romsey, and later studied at Winchester College as a dayboy, becoming head boy of the college.[8][9][10] He worked as a waiter in a curry house in Southampton during his summer holidays.[11][12] He read philosophy, politics and economics at Lincoln College, Oxford, graduating with a first in 2001.[10][13] During his time at university, he undertook an internship at Conservative Campaign Headquarters and joined the Conservative Party.[9] In 2006, Sunak earned a Master of Business Administration degree from Stanford University as a Fulbright Scholar.[13][14][15] While at Stanford, he met his future wife Akshata Murty, the daughter of Indian billionaire N. R. Narayana Murthy of Infosys.[16]"
His parents worked incredibly hard, he has worked incredibly hard. He has had the good fortune of being born very intelligent, but unlike some he has put it to good use, studying and working with great drive and eventually becoming prime minister of the United Kingdom as a second generation brown skinned immigrant. It is quite a remarkable story - as someone who is hugely skeptical of mass immigration, I personally would be much more in favour of it if every immigrant was like him or his family
You clearly feel different for your own sick perverse reasons. Well done
Is he a great prime minister? No. Is he a credit to himself, his family and the country they emigrated to? Yes
Another part of perception, we somehow despise *effort*. Cf my ex, pointing out that to work at all was infra dig. This is part of the national consciousness, and probably explains generational unemployment in Jaywick as much as it does my well-heeled ex.
So Boris was lauded for being effortless, doing little work, delegating, being a bit of a buffoon, etc. Whereas Rishi, despite his many accomplishments is written off as a try hard. And believe me an MBA at Stanford is much more impressive and academically rigorous than Classics at Oxford.
Sadly it's the national culture, or national disease. To be seen to try is to be a bit of a loser, whether you're a working class kid in a sink school, or the next PM. And it explains a lot about the state this country is in.
take your point and a bit true in general but I never thought of Boris as lazy ( I know he was insulted as that by opponents) - He has certainly done a lot in life (including writing books) , a lot more than me (and I dont think I am lazy ) .He had a fun style and sometimes dismissive and eccentric but not a lazy one
Here's an anecdote from a relative of mine who worked on a student rag at Oxford with him. She said it was impossible to get him to turn up to meetings or do any work or whatever, but of course he was happy to have his name on each edition.
Boris was hard-working about things that motivated him, like Ukraine, showing off on TV or writing. He was just bored by the routine business of government, much of which is tedious and a very hard grind. So for that reason he was much better at winning power than governing.
This is the worst election launch in British history, isn’t it?
I suspect if I’m completely honest it’s only us obsessives who are really paying any attention. At the moment I suspect most of the country are simply aware there’s an election coming and Sunak got rained on, and are probably looking forward to the bank holiday.
But yes, it’s been pretty bad.
Most people are focusing on Euro 2024!
But not so much in Wales (Rishi to note) 😈
If Rishi had mentioned the football in a factory in England then he would have been hammered for assuming everyone in the factory was English or Scottish so had a team in the tournament. How awful he is for not having the sensitivity that there are workers in factories that don’t support purely the teams who have qualified - see, he’s so out of touch. Just because your nations team isn’t in the tournament it doesn’t mean you can’t be looking forward to it. Or some such.
The coverage as a whole is symptomatic of how utterly fucking pathetic our media has become. Obsessed with comedy photo ops and 'gotcha' moments to clip for social media, and daft questions that provide nothing in terms of illumination. Woodward and Bernstein they ain't.
It was perfectly encapsulated yesterday morning on Today. The morning after the election being called on the flagship current affairs programme and the lead angle was that some Tory MPs were flabbergasted, annoyed etc. not that we were getting a general election, the general election everyone was calling for and what that meant for the country, the correspondents had been spending their time whatsappung and being briefed how annoyed MPs were.
It’s a fucking pantomime and the politics is crap because the people who are supposed to be holding their feet to the fire are too invested in the pantomime themselfves. It’s a lot easier to earn your money as a politics journalist by repeating gossip than actually analysing the crap politicians are saying because the journalists, like the politicians, have very rarely actually done anything else of note which would make themselves think, “hang on a minute, when I was working in the steel industry if a boss did this they would be fucked, etc”.
Everything about this turd of a nation is fucked. The politics, the media, the economics, the attitudes, the morality. The way the entire deck is stacked against anyone getting out of their box for a moment. And the slack jaws hose down their bread and circuses clapping like seals for any shit they are told to. We are in the last days of Rome. I like a rant. Cleansing.
If it's so awful here, why is this country one of the top destinations for people from all over the world?
If you are born into poverty in the uk, on average it takes your decendants 5 generations FIVE....to make it up to median income. Just across the water in Denmark where they give a shit about each other, it takes 2 generations. Why would you take initiative in the uk if you will never see the benefit, even vicariously through your children. Britain is a heartless society where everybody would rather nobody got anything out of worry that 1 person gets 50p too much. It is just so petty. These are our compatriots for christ sake. I hear a lot of talk, especially on the right, about loving your own country.... but as I see it, many many brits absolutely loathe their own cutbry and their compatriots. It is a very sad situation.
Indeed. See the contempt on this site for Rishi Sunak for his sin of having hard-working, hard-caring parents who spent every penny sending him to great schools, where he ALSO worked hard (head boy) and then got a really good lucrative job
What a wanker! How dare he! And an Indian! We like our minorities to be oppressed gang bangers who get wrongly shot by police while doing drug deals, thanks, so they don't get any uppity ideas about actually succeeding
He's done poorly as prime minister, failing on my terms, your terms, and even, damningly, his own terms.
But he was HEAD BOY. Fuck me, that turns it all around.
I know you don't like uppity immigrants and you prefer them to be shot by the Met Police so you can whine about it for ever in a middle middle class way that somehow satisfies you sexually, but this is Sunak's story:
"Sunak was born on 12 May 1980 in Southampton General Hospital in Southampton, Hampshire,[3][4] to East African-born Hindu parents of Indian Punjabi descent, Yashvir and Usha Sunak.[5][6][7] He attended Stroud School, a preparatory school in Romsey, and later studied at Winchester College as a dayboy, becoming head boy of the college.[8][9][10] He worked as a waiter in a curry house in Southampton during his summer holidays.[11][12] He read philosophy, politics and economics at Lincoln College, Oxford, graduating with a first in 2001.[10][13] During his time at university, he undertook an internship at Conservative Campaign Headquarters and joined the Conservative Party.[9] In 2006, Sunak earned a Master of Business Administration degree from Stanford University as a Fulbright Scholar.[13][14][15] While at Stanford, he met his future wife Akshata Murty, the daughter of Indian billionaire N. R. Narayana Murthy of Infosys.[16]"
His parents worked incredibly hard, he has worked incredibly hard. He has had the good fortune of being born very intelligent, but unlike some he has put it to good use, studying and working with great drive and eventually becoming prime minister of the United Kingdom as a second generation brown skinned immigrant. It is quite a remarkable story - as someone who is hugely skeptical of mass immigration, I personally would be much more in favour of it if every immigrant was like him or his family
You clearly feel different for your own sick perverse reasons. Well done
Is he a great prime minister? No. Is he a credit to himself, his family and the country they emigrated to? Yes
I’m glad at least. one other person on here has the guts to not follow the anti Sunak herd. Some of the bullshit posting about photos and asking about the football are just pathetic.
It's like a weird kind of sicko inverse racism. If your immigrant family works really hard and sends you to a fee paying school and you become successful in British society then somehow you have betrayed *something* - and "become one of them" - but how and why and what the F is going on there?? I can't even get my head around it
Does the left seriously prefer minorities as failures and victims they can always pity and agitate for? It does sometimes feel like that. In America as well as Britain.
If so, fuck it, if that's the country they want I am glad I no longer feel attached to it, as I once did
It's diseased
Minorities are most useful to those who 'tirelessly campaign' for them when they are downtrodden, the campaign isn't really about untreading. It's some sort of sick white saviour complex certain types have
I see Leon's already on the sauce this evening...
There's nothing "already" about 2220 on a Friday evening
I find this whole conversation bizarre though. The views that brown immigrants are bad, and Wykehamists are good, are two cheeks of the one a*se. It's like saying this guy was the son of slaves, but they gave him such a good education that now he can afford to own slaves himself. huzzah!
Failing to see the problem with this. Rishi treats his slaves very well.
Labour is looking to introduce votes for 16 and 17-year-olds in its first year in government if it wins the election.
The party is closely studying how Scotland and Wales lowered the voting age and believes there is no reason why lowering the national voting age for general elections would need to take longer.
Sir Keir Starmer pledged to extend the franchise to younger voters in September with no indication of how quickly the policy would be implemented should it win the election. Party sources now say that while there is yet no commitment that the policy will be in the King’s Speech, it is nonetheless expected to be enacted quickly. “I would be extremely surprised if it wasn’t in the King’s Speech,” one said, describing the legislation needed as “extremely straightforward”.
I am against this. I am not convinced that 16 year olds are mature enough for the vote. They will have a lifetime of voting after they turn 18.
People love to slam the Tories for allegedly using voter ID to suppress votes against them. Will they slam this as a naked attempt to garner more youth votes for Labour? One man’s gerrymandering is another’s increasing the democratic franchise…
Likewise, I think you need to be a tax payer before you should be allowed to vote and nowadays you have to be in full time education until you are 18...
Labour is looking to introduce votes for 16 and 17-year-olds in its first year in government if it wins the election.
The party is closely studying how Scotland and Wales lowered the voting age and believes there is no reason why lowering the national voting age for general elections would need to take longer.
Sir Keir Starmer pledged to extend the franchise to younger voters in September with no indication of how quickly the policy would be implemented should it win the election. Party sources now say that while there is yet no commitment that the policy will be in the King’s Speech, it is nonetheless expected to be enacted quickly. “I would be extremely surprised if it wasn’t in the King’s Speech,” one said, describing the legislation needed as “extremely straightforward”.
If they are also going to lower the age at which you can buy alcohol and leave school etc then fine. I’m not convinced you can declare that someone is old enough to discern and determine who can make laws and govern the country but can’t in their own lives discern and determine what legal chemicals to place in their bodies. I also presume that given the candidate age is aligned with the voting age that will drop to 16 too, which will allow for the possibility of some kid who’s barely started shaving getting elected to Parliament then having to absent themselves for the first 2 years whilst they finish compulsory education. Bonkers.
This is the worst election launch in British history, isn’t it?
I suspect if I’m completely honest it’s only us obsessives who are really paying any attention. At the moment I suspect most of the country are simply aware there’s an election coming and Sunak got rained on, and are probably looking forward to the bank holiday.
But yes, it’s been pretty bad.
Most people are focusing on Euro 2024!
But not so much in Wales (Rishi to note) 😈
If Rishi had mentioned the football in a factory in England then he would have been hammered for assuming everyone in the factory was English or Scottish so had a team in the tournament. How awful he is for not having the sensitivity that there are workers in factories that don’t support purely the teams who have qualified - see, he’s so out of touch. Just because your nations team isn’t in the tournament it doesn’t mean you can’t be looking forward to it. Or some such.
The coverage as a whole is symptomatic of how utterly fucking pathetic our media has become. Obsessed with comedy photo ops and 'gotcha' moments to clip for social media, and daft questions that provide nothing in terms of illumination. Woodward and Bernstein they ain't.
It was perfectly encapsulated yesterday morning on Today. The morning after the election being called on the flagship current affairs programme and the lead angle was that some Tory MPs were flabbergasted, annoyed etc. not that we were getting a general election, the general election everyone was calling for and what that meant for the country, the correspondents had been spending their time whatsappung and being briefed how annoyed MPs were.
It’s a fucking pantomime and the politics is crap because the people who are supposed to be holding their feet to the fire are too invested in the pantomime themselfves. It’s a lot easier to earn your money as a politics journalist by repeating gossip than actually analysing the crap politicians are saying because the journalists, like the politicians, have very rarely actually done anything else of note which would make themselves think, “hang on a minute, when I was working in the steel industry if a boss did this they would be fucked, etc”.
Everything about this turd of a nation is fucked. The politics, the media, the economics, the attitudes, the morality. The way the entire deck is stacked against anyone getting out of their box for a moment. And the slack jaws hose down their bread and circuses clapping like seals for any shit they are told to. We are in the last days of Rome. I like a rant. Cleansing.
If it's so awful here, why is this country one of the top destinations for people from all over the world?
If you are born into poverty in the uk, on average it takes your decendants 5 generations FIVE....to make it up to median income. Just across the water in Denmark where they give a shit about each other, it takes 2 generations. Why would you take initiative in the uk if you will never see the benefit, even vicariously through your children. Britain is a heartless society where everybody would rather nobody got anything out of worry that 1 person gets 50p too much. It is just so petty. These are our compatriots for christ sake. I hear a lot of talk, especially on the right, about loving your own country.... but as I see it, many many brits absolutely loathe their own cutbry and their compatriots. It is a very sad situation.
Indeed. See the contempt on this site for Rishi Sunak for his sin of having hard-working, hard-caring parents who spent every penny sending him to great schools, where he ALSO worked hard (head boy) and then got a really good lucrative job
What a wanker! How dare he! And an Indian! We like our minorities to be oppressed gang bangers who get wrongly shot by police while doing drug deals, thanks, so they don't get any uppity ideas about actually succeeding
He's done poorly as prime minister, failing on my terms, your terms, and even, damningly, his own terms.
But he was HEAD BOY. Fuck me, that turns it all around.
I know you don't like uppity immigrants and you prefer them to be shot by the Met Police so you can whine about it for ever in a middle middle class way that somehow satisfies you sexually, but this is Sunak's story:
"Sunak was born on 12 May 1980 in Southampton General Hospital in Southampton, Hampshire,[3][4] to East African-born Hindu parents of Indian Punjabi descent, Yashvir and Usha Sunak.[5][6][7] He attended Stroud School, a preparatory school in Romsey, and later studied at Winchester College as a dayboy, becoming head boy of the college.[8][9][10] He worked as a waiter in a curry house in Southampton during his summer holidays.[11][12] He read philosophy, politics and economics at Lincoln College, Oxford, graduating with a first in 2001.[10][13] During his time at university, he undertook an internship at Conservative Campaign Headquarters and joined the Conservative Party.[9] In 2006, Sunak earned a Master of Business Administration degree from Stanford University as a Fulbright Scholar.[13][14][15] While at Stanford, he met his future wife Akshata Murty, the daughter of Indian billionaire N. R. Narayana Murthy of Infosys.[16]"
His parents worked incredibly hard, he has worked incredibly hard. He has had the good fortune of being born very intelligent, but unlike some he has put it to good use, studying and working with great drive and eventually becoming prime minister of the United Kingdom as a second generation brown skinned immigrant. It is quite a remarkable story - as someone who is hugely skeptical of mass immigration, I personally would be much more in favour of it if every immigrant was like him or his family
You clearly feel different for your own sick perverse reasons. Well done
Is he a great prime minister? No. Is he a credit to himself, his family and the country they emigrated to? Yes
I’m glad at least. one other person on here has the guts to not follow the anti Sunak herd. Some of the bullshit posting about photos and asking about the football are just pathetic.
I don't dislike Sunak. He is just way out of his depth as PM and got promoted far too soon in almost everything in his life.
He has never had to learn from failure. Not until now anyway. It will be pretty devastating for him personally.
Yes, Rishi has had a very successful life so far but to win national elections you also have to have had some hard knocks and empathise, that is how the likes of Harry Truman and John Major won against the odds despite having had educations and careers no where near as stellar as his.
Indeed often the highest flyers in their careers who end up party leaders end up either losing elections or being none too successful in the top job, eg Mitt Romney, Hillary Clinton, Hague, Stoiber in Germany, Gordon Brown, Eden, Rishi, Ignatieff in Canada, Turnbull in Australia etc.
The greatest PMs and Presidents though eg Churchill, Attlee, Thatcher, Blair, Kohl, John Howard and Bob Hawke, Reagan, FDR, Clinton were often not top tier in their previous careers or intellect but knew what needed to be done and could connect with their voters
It's rare that I agree with you, but spot on. Failure is an essential learning experience.
This is the worst election launch in British history, isn’t it?
I suspect if I’m completely honest it’s only us obsessives who are really paying any attention. At the moment I suspect most of the country are simply aware there’s an election coming and Sunak got rained on, and are probably looking forward to the bank holiday.
But yes, it’s been pretty bad.
Most people are focusing on Euro 2024!
But not so much in Wales (Rishi to note) 😈
If Rishi had mentioned the football in a factory in England then he would have been hammered for assuming everyone in the factory was English or Scottish so had a team in the tournament. How awful he is for not having the sensitivity that there are workers in factories that don’t support purely the teams who have qualified - see, he’s so out of touch. Just because your nations team isn’t in the tournament it doesn’t mean you can’t be looking forward to it. Or some such.
The coverage as a whole is symptomatic of how utterly fucking pathetic our media has become. Obsessed with comedy photo ops and 'gotcha' moments to clip for social media, and daft questions that provide nothing in terms of illumination. Woodward and Bernstein they ain't.
It was perfectly encapsulated yesterday morning on Today. The morning after the election being called on the flagship current affairs programme and the lead angle was that some Tory MPs were flabbergasted, annoyed etc. not that we were getting a general election, the general election everyone was calling for and what that meant for the country, the correspondents had been spending their time whatsappung and being briefed how annoyed MPs were.
It’s a fucking pantomime and the politics is crap because the people who are supposed to be holding their feet to the fire are too invested in the pantomime themselfves. It’s a lot easier to earn your money as a politics journalist by repeating gossip than actually analysing the crap politicians are saying because the journalists, like the politicians, have very rarely actually done anything else of note which would make themselves think, “hang on a minute, when I was working in the steel industry if a boss did this they would be fucked, etc”.
Everything about this turd of a nation is fucked. The politics, the media, the economics, the attitudes, the morality. The way the entire deck is stacked against anyone getting out of their box for a moment. And the slack jaws hose down their bread and circuses clapping like seals for any shit they are told to. We are in the last days of Rome. I like a rant. Cleansing.
If it's so awful here, why is this country one of the top destinations for people from all over the world?
If you are born into poverty in the uk, on average it takes your decendants 5 generations FIVE....to make it up to median income. Just across the water in Denmark where they give a shit about each other, it takes 2 generations. Why would you take initiative in the uk if you will never see the benefit, even vicariously through your children. Britain is a heartless society where everybody would rather nobody got anything out of worry that 1 person gets 50p too much. It is just so petty. These are our compatriots for christ sake. I hear a lot of talk, especially on the right, about loving your own country.... but as I see it, many many brits absolutely loathe their own cutbry and their compatriots. It is a very sad situation.
Indeed. See the contempt on this site for Rishi Sunak for his sin of having hard-working, hard-caring parents who spent every penny sending him to great schools, where he ALSO worked hard (head boy) and then got a really good lucrative job
What a wanker! How dare he! And an Indian! We like our minorities to be oppressed gang bangers who get wrongly shot by police while doing drug deals, thanks, so they don't get any uppity ideas about actually succeeding
He's done poorly as prime minister, failing on my terms, your terms, and even, damningly, his own terms.
But he was HEAD BOY. Fuck me, that turns it all around.
I know you don't like uppity immigrants and you prefer them to be shot by the Met Police so you can whine about it for ever in a middle middle class way that somehow satisfies you sexually, but this is Sunak's story:
"Sunak was born on 12 May 1980 in Southampton General Hospital in Southampton, Hampshire,[3][4] to East African-born Hindu parents of Indian Punjabi descent, Yashvir and Usha Sunak.[5][6][7] He attended Stroud School, a preparatory school in Romsey, and later studied at Winchester College as a dayboy, becoming head boy of the college.[8][9][10] He worked as a waiter in a curry house in Southampton during his summer holidays.[11][12] He read philosophy, politics and economics at Lincoln College, Oxford, graduating with a first in 2001.[10][13] During his time at university, he undertook an internship at Conservative Campaign Headquarters and joined the Conservative Party.[9] In 2006, Sunak earned a Master of Business Administration degree from Stanford University as a Fulbright Scholar.[13][14][15] While at Stanford, he met his future wife Akshata Murty, the daughter of Indian billionaire N. R. Narayana Murthy of Infosys.[16]"
His parents worked incredibly hard, he has worked incredibly hard. He has had the good fortune of being born very intelligent, but unlike some he has put it to good use, studying and working with great drive and eventually becoming prime minister of the United Kingdom as a second generation brown skinned immigrant. It is quite a remarkable story - as someone who is hugely skeptical of mass immigration, I personally would be much more in favour of it if every immigrant was like him or his family
You clearly feel different for your own sick perverse reasons. Well done
Is he a great prime minister? No. Is he a credit to himself, his family and the country they emigrated to? Yes
Another part of perception, we somehow despise *effort*. Cf my ex, pointing out that to work at all was infra dig. This is part of the national consciousness, and probably explains generational unemployment in Jaywick as much as it does my well-heeled ex.
So Boris was lauded for being effortless, doing little work, delegating, being a bit of a buffoon, etc. Whereas Rishi, despite his many accomplishments is written off as a try hard. And believe me an MBA at Stanford is much more impressive and academically rigorous than Classics at Oxford.
Sadly it's the national culture, or national disease. To be seen to try is to be a bit of a loser, whether you're a working class kid in a sink school, or the next PM. And it explains a lot about the state this country is in.
It's interesting, isn't it that it's the complete opposite in our sporting stars?
There is a dissertation in that somewhere. "We want physical prowess to be the product of effort, but intellectual and social prowess to be effortless. Why is that, and is it the product of societal conditioning? Discuss."
I've no answer to that question but I'd love to read the paper if it was ever published.
I am not sure it is the opposite in sport - it depends more on personality than effort - For instance who was more liked Geoffrey Boycott or David Gower ? Seb Coe put in huge effort to get his medals but never really liked . Steve Davis was just hated in the 1980s and everyone liked Alex Higgins or Jimmy White
But Gower, Lineker, Gazza, derided as "careless, lazy, waster". Boycott wasn't liked. But he was hugely admired. Compare attitudes to Lineker to say, Terry Butcher or Stuart Pearce.
A good friend of mine is a very senior forensic psychiatrist employed by the Home Office/cops from time to time. As a consultant. He’s known to be brilliant
He’s personally reviewed the Letby case and he’s fairly sure she is innocent - not convinced, but he certainly has reasonable doubt
I have no dog in this fight. I assumed the conviction was watertight. He told me this over lunch just before Xmas. Disturbing"
Why would a forensic psychiatrist be able to assess evidence about how premature babies died?
The evidence against Letby was not based on her psychiatric state but on the non-natural causes of the deaths and that Letby was the only nurse who was present at the relevant times.
Labour is looking to introduce votes for 16 and 17-year-olds in its first year in government if it wins the election.
The party is closely studying how Scotland and Wales lowered the voting age and believes there is no reason why lowering the national voting age for general elections would need to take longer.
Sir Keir Starmer pledged to extend the franchise to younger voters in September with no indication of how quickly the policy would be implemented should it win the election. Party sources now say that while there is yet no commitment that the policy will be in the King’s Speech, it is nonetheless expected to be enacted quickly. “I would be extremely surprised if it wasn’t in the King’s Speech,” one said, describing the legislation needed as “extremely straightforward”.
I am against this. I am not convinced that 16 year olds are mature enough for the vote. They will have a lifetime of voting after they turn 18.
People love to slam the Tories for allegedly using voter ID to suppress votes against them. Will they slam this as a naked attempt to garner more youth votes for Labour? One man’s gerrymandering is another’s increasing the democratic franchise…
Likewise, I think you need to be a tax payer before you should be allowed to vote and nowadays you have to be in full time education until you are 18...
You’re still paying VAT.
So why stop at 16? Anyone who pays VAT gets the vote?
I just went thru my personal characteristics to see if I could legitimately put myself forward as a Conservative candidate. Despite some sincere leanings towards the centre-right, particularly regards crime, the military and defence, I rapidly concluded that they would not accept me. Which may be a bit of a pity.
I’d’ve thought they had a rule that you have to have been a member of the party for at least a certain period of time.
This is one of those election campaigns that mirrors one of those pub football games where one side is so much better than the other that ,to make a game of it. they start to lend a few of their players to the other side- just to keep it interesting - Here have Jezza Corbyn and Galloway .Tell you what we will muck up selection in Leicester East for you to have a chance there- Even Reform are doing it by not running Farage
And yet.... and yet. The vast majority of people who will vote on July 4 couldn't give a tinkers cuss about Gove stepping down or Rishi standing near a sign saying 'exit' or the rain, or Starmer having a stinker of an interview this morning or Newsnight being bad for Holden. They're waiting to see manifestos and enjoy an egging if one transpires. The whole narrative of 'disaster campaign' has been invented in 48 hours and exists in the heads of political obsessives like us. There are people on social media tonight convinced a funny photo and asking Welsh dudes about footy means Canada 93 is nailed on. I'm guessing it's their first rodeo.
I was with you until you claimed people are “waiting to see manifestos”! Most people pay no attention to such things.
Labour is looking to introduce votes for 16 and 17-year-olds in its first year in government if it wins the election.
The party is closely studying how Scotland and Wales lowered the voting age and believes there is no reason why lowering the national voting age for general elections would need to take longer.
Sir Keir Starmer pledged to extend the franchise to younger voters in September with no indication of how quickly the policy would be implemented should it win the election. Party sources now say that while there is yet no commitment that the policy will be in the King’s Speech, it is nonetheless expected to be enacted quickly. “I would be extremely surprised if it wasn’t in the King’s Speech,” one said, describing the legislation needed as “extremely straightforward”.
If they are also going to lower the age at which you can buy alcohol and leave school etc then fine. I’m not convinced you can declare that someone is old enough to discern and determine who can make laws and govern the country but can’t in their own lives discern and determine what legal chemicals to place in their bodies. I also presume that given the candidate age is aligned with the voting age that will drop to 16 too, which will allow for the possibility of some kid who’s barely started shaving getting elected to Parliament then having to absent themselves for the first 2 years whilst they finish compulsory education. Bonkers.
Not bonkers, gerrymandering, just like the voter ID plot.
Labour is looking to introduce votes for 16 and 17-year-olds in its first year in government if it wins the election.
The party is closely studying how Scotland and Wales lowered the voting age and believes there is no reason why lowering the national voting age for general elections would need to take longer.
Sir Keir Starmer pledged to extend the franchise to younger voters in September with no indication of how quickly the policy would be implemented should it win the election. Party sources now say that while there is yet no commitment that the policy will be in the King’s Speech, it is nonetheless expected to be enacted quickly. “I would be extremely surprised if it wasn’t in the King’s Speech,” one said, describing the legislation needed as “extremely straightforward”.
I am against this. I am not convinced that 16 year olds are mature enough for the vote. They will have a lifetime of voting after they turn 18.
People love to slam the Tories for allegedly using voter ID to suppress votes against them. Will they slam this as a naked attempt to garner more youth votes for Labour? One man’s gerrymandering is another’s increasing the democratic franchise…
Likewise, I think you need to be a tax payer before you should be allowed to vote and nowadays you have to be in full time education until you are 18...
You’re still paying VAT.
On that basis a 3 year old should be allowed to vote the first time they buy some (Vatible) sweets.
Well at least Gove was on the right side of the Brexit divide, unlike that chancer Cameron.
Except he wasn't. That was the oddest thing. Gove for years had been Eurosceptic because he blamed the EU for destroying his parents' fishing business. Then his father popped up and said it wasn't the EU, and he'd just retired. Gove's political philosophy (or at least that part of it) was founded on a misapprehension.
He was still on the right side of the argument even if for mistaken reasons.
IMV subsequent events have shown that Brexit was the wrong side of the argument. A divisive, pointless argument which has damaged the country.
I have a vague impression, perhaps wrong, that you will disagree with me on this...
Comprehensively. If it was divisive well, that is politics for you and that was as much because of those who would not accept the result as those who embraced it. And of course it certainly wasn't pointless as history will show. Nor do I believe it has damaged the country. It is the Tory party that has done that and they would still have been there being useless with or without Brexit.
I imagine there were many in North America claiming that American Independence was divisive, pointless and damaged the country. We don't remember their whining today.
One of the great “what ifs” of history, is to envisage a world where the revolt is put down.
Does slavery get abolished in 1833, or does the fight over slavery extend across the empire?
Does British America expand West? Would there be an American Indian State, perhaps becoming a British dominion?
Does South West America remain part of Mexico?
No. Yes.
Yes. No.
No.
I generally think there would not be the same sense of mission to expand West, on the part of colonial authorities, nor the same level of immigration.
Perhaps not same sense of mission, but something similar.
Note that after 1815, expansion of settlement into Upper Canada > Ontario was quite rapid, including significant number of overseas immigrants.
Further expansion of settlement and immigration from Ontario most went toward destinations further west, but into the US, not Rupert's Land > Northwest Territory, which remained a massive fir-trapping preserve as long as transportation links were limited to birchbark & similar, and there was land & opportunity available south of the border.
AND when railroads made the Canadian Northwest more accessible, first via US feeder lines then over the Canadian Pacific, there was another rapid expansion of settlement AND also mass immigration, both strongly encouraged by the express policy of federal governments of Canada both Grit (Liberal) and Tory.
Addendum - Forgot to say that, in both USA and Canada, process of settlement expansion and immigration was largely driven from the bottom up.
The top-down policy and activity of governments on both sides of the border being primarily a reflection of demands from the economy, demography and society of each emerging nation.
Manitoba being one example with respect to British North America > Canada.
I would very much doubt that the French would have sold the Louisiana territory to us in 1802 either.
Labour is looking to introduce votes for 16 and 17-year-olds in its first year in government if it wins the election.
The party is closely studying how Scotland and Wales lowered the voting age and believes there is no reason why lowering the national voting age for general elections would need to take longer.
Sir Keir Starmer pledged to extend the franchise to younger voters in September with no indication of how quickly the policy would be implemented should it win the election. Party sources now say that while there is yet no commitment that the policy will be in the King’s Speech, it is nonetheless expected to be enacted quickly. “I would be extremely surprised if it wasn’t in the King’s Speech,” one said, describing the legislation needed as “extremely straightforward”.
I am against this. I am not convinced that 16 year olds are mature enough for the vote. They will have a lifetime of voting after they turn 18.
People love to slam the Tories for allegedly using voter ID to suppress votes against them. Will they slam this as a naked attempt to garner more youth votes for Labour? One man’s gerrymandering is another’s increasing the democratic franchise…
I’m in my 50s. I’m not certain people in their 30s are mature enough to vote…
I am in my 50's I am not convinced anyone but me is mature enough to vote
PB Pop Quiz - What are the impacts of the "Maurice Debate" and its ramifications, upon the 2024 UK general election and its results?
I think it's one of E M Forster's weakest novels although the gay gamekeepers vote remains difficult to read .... much like TSE's thesis on "Great Pineapple And Lettuce Pizza Of The Liz Truss Era.
Next ....
Jack!
Am obliged to you, was previously unaware (or clueless if you prefer) about this E M Forster novel. And of course appreciate your keen political insight re: the gay gamekeeper vote.
Where do you think this key electoral cohort is thickest (perhaps in more ways than one) on the ground?
This is the worst election launch in British history, isn’t it?
I suspect if I’m completely honest it’s only us obsessives who are really paying any attention. At the moment I suspect most of the country are simply aware there’s an election coming and Sunak got rained on, and are probably looking forward to the bank holiday.
But yes, it’s been pretty bad.
Most people are focusing on Euro 2024!
But not so much in Wales (Rishi to note) 😈
If Rishi had mentioned the football in a factory in England then he would have been hammered for assuming everyone in the factory was English or Scottish so had a team in the tournament. How awful he is for not having the sensitivity that there are workers in factories that don’t support purely the teams who have qualified - see, he’s so out of touch. Just because your nations team isn’t in the tournament it doesn’t mean you can’t be looking forward to it. Or some such.
The coverage as a whole is symptomatic of how utterly fucking pathetic our media has become. Obsessed with comedy photo ops and 'gotcha' moments to clip for social media, and daft questions that provide nothing in terms of illumination. Woodward and Bernstein they ain't.
It was perfectly encapsulated yesterday morning on Today. The morning after the election being called on the flagship current affairs programme and the lead angle was that some Tory MPs were flabbergasted, annoyed etc. not that we were getting a general election, the general election everyone was calling for and what that meant for the country, the correspondents had been spending their time whatsappung and being briefed how annoyed MPs were.
It’s a fucking pantomime and the politics is crap because the people who are supposed to be holding their feet to the fire are too invested in the pantomime themselfves. It’s a lot easier to earn your money as a politics journalist by repeating gossip than actually analysing the crap politicians are saying because the journalists, like the politicians, have very rarely actually done anything else of note which would make themselves think, “hang on a minute, when I was working in the steel industry if a boss did this they would be fucked, etc”.
Everything about this turd of a nation is fucked. The politics, the media, the economics, the attitudes, the morality. The way the entire deck is stacked against anyone getting out of their box for a moment. And the slack jaws hose down their bread and circuses clapping like seals for any shit they are told to. We are in the last days of Rome. I like a rant. Cleansing.
If it's so awful here, why is this country one of the top destinations for people from all over the world?
If you are born into poverty in the uk, on average it takes your decendants 5 generations FIVE....to make it up to median income. Just across the water in Denmark where they give a shit about each other, it takes 2 generations. Why would you take initiative in the uk if you will never see the benefit, even vicariously through your children. Britain is a heartless society where everybody would rather nobody got anything out of worry that 1 person gets 50p too much. It is just so petty. These are our compatriots for christ sake. I hear a lot of talk, especially on the right, about loving your own country.... but as I see it, many many brits absolutely loathe their own cutbry and their compatriots. It is a very sad situation.
Indeed. See the contempt on this site for Rishi Sunak for his sin of having hard-working, hard-caring parents who spent every penny sending him to great schools, where he ALSO worked hard (head boy) and then got a really good lucrative job
What a wanker! How dare he! And an Indian! We like our minorities to be oppressed gang bangers who get wrongly shot by police while doing drug deals, thanks, so they don't get any uppity ideas about actually succeeding
He's done poorly as prime minister, failing on my terms, your terms, and even, damningly, his own terms.
But he was HEAD BOY. Fuck me, that turns it all around.
I know you don't like uppity immigrants and you prefer them to be shot by the Met Police so you can whine about it for ever in a middle middle class way that somehow satisfies you sexually, but this is Sunak's story:
"Sunak was born on 12 May 1980 in Southampton General Hospital in Southampton, Hampshire,[3][4] to East African-born Hindu parents of Indian Punjabi descent, Yashvir and Usha Sunak.[5][6][7] He attended Stroud School, a preparatory school in Romsey, and later studied at Winchester College as a dayboy, becoming head boy of the college.[8][9][10] He worked as a waiter in a curry house in Southampton during his summer holidays.[11][12] He read philosophy, politics and economics at Lincoln College, Oxford, graduating with a first in 2001.[10][13] During his time at university, he undertook an internship at Conservative Campaign Headquarters and joined the Conservative Party.[9] In 2006, Sunak earned a Master of Business Administration degree from Stanford University as a Fulbright Scholar.[13][14][15] While at Stanford, he met his future wife Akshata Murty, the daughter of Indian billionaire N. R. Narayana Murthy of Infosys.[16]"
His parents worked incredibly hard, he has worked incredibly hard. He has had the good fortune of being born very intelligent, but unlike some he has put it to good use, studying and working with great drive and eventually becoming prime minister of the United Kingdom as a second generation brown skinned immigrant. It is quite a remarkable story - as someone who is hugely skeptical of mass immigration, I personally would be much more in favour of it if every immigrant was like him or his family
You clearly feel different for your own sick perverse reasons. Well done
Is he a great prime minister? No. Is he a credit to himself, his family and the country they emigrated to? Yes
Another part of perception, we somehow despise *effort*. Cf my ex, pointing out that to work at all was infra dig. This is part of the national consciousness, and probably explains generational unemployment in Jaywick as much as it does my well-heeled ex.
So Boris was lauded for being effortless, doing little work, delegating, being a bit of a buffoon, etc. Whereas Rishi, despite his many accomplishments is written off as a try hard. And believe me an MBA at Stanford is much more impressive and academically rigorous than Classics at Oxford.
Sadly it's the national culture, or national disease. To be seen to try is to be a bit of a loser, whether you're a working class kid in a sink school, or the next PM. And it explains a lot about the state this country is in.
take your point and a bit true in general but I never thought of Boris as lazy ( I know he was insulted as that by opponents) - He has certainly done a lot in life (including writing books) , a lot more than me (and I dont think I am lazy ) .He had a fun style and sometimes dismissive and eccentric but not a lazy one
Here's an anecdote from a relative of mine who worked on a student rag at Oxford with him. She said it was impossible to get him to turn up to meetings or do any work or whatever, but of course he was happy to have his name on each edition.
Boris was hard-working about things that motivated him, like Ukraine, showing off on TV or writing. He was just bored by the routine business of government, much of which is tedious and a very hard grind. So for that reason he was much better at winning power than governing.
or London mayor where the structure allowed him to be a figurehead delegating most decisions...
This is the worst election launch in British history, isn’t it?
I suspect if I’m completely honest it’s only us obsessives who are really paying any attention. At the moment I suspect most of the country are simply aware there’s an election coming and Sunak got rained on, and are probably looking forward to the bank holiday.
But yes, it’s been pretty bad.
Most people are focusing on Euro 2024!
But not so much in Wales (Rishi to note) 😈
If Rishi had mentioned the football in a factory in England then he would have been hammered for assuming everyone in the factory was English or Scottish so had a team in the tournament. How awful he is for not having the sensitivity that there are workers in factories that don’t support purely the teams who have qualified - see, he’s so out of touch. Just because your nations team isn’t in the tournament it doesn’t mean you can’t be looking forward to it. Or some such.
The coverage as a whole is symptomatic of how utterly fucking pathetic our media has become. Obsessed with comedy photo ops and 'gotcha' moments to clip for social media, and daft questions that provide nothing in terms of illumination. Woodward and Bernstein they ain't.
It was perfectly encapsulated yesterday morning on Today. The morning after the election being called on the flagship current affairs programme and the lead angle was that some Tory MPs were flabbergasted, annoyed etc. not that we were getting a general election, the general election everyone was calling for and what that meant for the country, the correspondents had been spending their time whatsappung and being briefed how annoyed MPs were.
It’s a fucking pantomime and the politics is crap because the people who are supposed to be holding their feet to the fire are too invested in the pantomime themselfves. It’s a lot easier to earn your money as a politics journalist by repeating gossip than actually analysing the crap politicians are saying because the journalists, like the politicians, have very rarely actually done anything else of note which would make themselves think, “hang on a minute, when I was working in the steel industry if a boss did this they would be fucked, etc”.
Everything about this turd of a nation is fucked. The politics, the media, the economics, the attitudes, the morality. The way the entire deck is stacked against anyone getting out of their box for a moment. And the slack jaws hose down their bread and circuses clapping like seals for any shit they are told to. We are in the last days of Rome. I like a rant. Cleansing.
If it's so awful here, why is this country one of the top destinations for people from all over the world?
If you are born into poverty in the uk, on average it takes your decendants 5 generations FIVE....to make it up to median income. Just across the water in Denmark where they give a shit about each other, it takes 2 generations. Why would you take initiative in the uk if you will never see the benefit, even vicariously through your children. Britain is a heartless society where everybody would rather nobody got anything out of worry that 1 person gets 50p too much. It is just so petty. These are our compatriots for christ sake. I hear a lot of talk, especially on the right, about loving your own country.... but as I see it, many many brits absolutely loathe their own cutbry and their compatriots. It is a very sad situation.
Indeed. See the contempt on this site for Rishi Sunak for his sin of having hard-working, hard-caring parents who spent every penny sending him to great schools, where he ALSO worked hard (head boy) and then got a really good lucrative job
What a wanker! How dare he! And an Indian! We like our minorities to be oppressed gang bangers who get wrongly shot by police while doing drug deals, thanks, so they don't get any uppity ideas about actually succeeding
He's done poorly as prime minister, failing on my terms, your terms, and even, damningly, his own terms.
But he was HEAD BOY. Fuck me, that turns it all around.
I know you don't like uppity immigrants and you prefer them to be shot by the Met Police so you can whine about it for ever in a middle middle class way that somehow satisfies you sexually, but this is Sunak's story:
"Sunak was born on 12 May 1980 in Southampton General Hospital in Southampton, Hampshire,[3][4] to East African-born Hindu parents of Indian Punjabi descent, Yashvir and Usha Sunak.[5][6][7] He attended Stroud School, a preparatory school in Romsey, and later studied at Winchester College as a dayboy, becoming head boy of the college.[8][9][10] He worked as a waiter in a curry house in Southampton during his summer holidays.[11][12] He read philosophy, politics and economics at Lincoln College, Oxford, graduating with a first in 2001.[10][13] During his time at university, he undertook an internship at Conservative Campaign Headquarters and joined the Conservative Party.[9] In 2006, Sunak earned a Master of Business Administration degree from Stanford University as a Fulbright Scholar.[13][14][15] While at Stanford, he met his future wife Akshata Murty, the daughter of Indian billionaire N. R. Narayana Murthy of Infosys.[16]"
His parents worked incredibly hard, he has worked incredibly hard. He has had the good fortune of being born very intelligent, but unlike some he has put it to good use, studying and working with great drive and eventually becoming prime minister of the United Kingdom as a second generation brown skinned immigrant. It is quite a remarkable story - as someone who is hugely skeptical of mass immigration, I personally would be much more in favour of it if every immigrant was like him or his family
You clearly feel different for your own sick perverse reasons. Well done
Is he a great prime minister? No. Is he a credit to himself, his family and the country they emigrated to? Yes
I’m glad at least. one other person on here has the guts to not follow the anti Sunak herd. Some of the bullshit posting about photos and asking about the football are just pathetic.
It's like a weird kind of sicko inverse racism. If your immigrant family works really hard and sends you to a fee paying school and you become successful in British society then somehow you have betrayed *something* - and "become one of them" - but how and why and what the F is going on there?? I can't even get my head around it
Does the left seriously prefer minorities as failures and victims they can always pity and agitate for? It does sometimes feel like that. In America as well as Britain.
If so, fuck it, if that's the country they want I am glad I no longer feel attached to it, as I once did
It's diseased
Minorities are most useful to those who 'tirelessly campaign' for them when they are downtrodden, the campaign isn't really about untreading. It's some sort of sick white saviour complex certain types have
I see Leon's already on the sauce this evening...
There's nothing "already" about 2220 on a Friday evening
I find this whole conversation bizarre though. The views that brown immigrants are bad, and Wykehamists are good, are two cheeks of the one a*se. It's like saying this guy was the son of slaves, but they gave him such a good education that now he can afford to own slaves himself. huzzah!
Failing to see the problem with this. Rishi treats his slaves very well.
Every day feels like a half rem for them
He’s currently got six weeks of morning hills ahead of him - I wish him well but a disappointment. Alex Chalk would have been a better accidental promotion.
just had a nibble on william Hill for SNP to have most scottish seats at 100/30. Think Swinney is more popular to potential SNP voters than Hamza was
I'm bullish about their chances, might give that a go.
That looks like a rick. Hills are obviously taking a view that the SNP cannot campaign without their election campervan but they start off from rough equivalence based on the polls.
Where? You can’t expect us to trawl through hundreds, possibly thousands, of posts?
I answered, when you asked earlier. You don't have to trawl through thousands or even hundreds of posts. I don't post that often so you just have to go to my profile and you will see it on the first page of my posts, about 20 down.
I don't know how to link to it and it is very easy to find.
BREAKING: Sunak is going to take a day off the trail tomorrow in a highly unusual move so early in the campaign. He will spend it at home in talks with his senior aides. But the Tories insist this is NOT a campaign relaunch.
A good friend of mine is a very senior forensic psychiatrist employed by the Home Office/cops from time to time. As a consultant. He’s known to be brilliant
He’s personally reviewed the Letby case and he’s fairly sure she is innocent - not convinced, but he certainly has reasonable doubt
I have no dog in this fight. I assumed the conviction was watertight. He told me this over lunch just before Xmas. Disturbing"
Why would a forensic psychiatrist be able to assess evidence about how premature babies died?
The evidence against Letby was not based on her psychiatric state but on the non-natural causes of the deaths and that Letby was the only nurse who was present at the relevant times.
Although as discussed and linked to earlier, there seems to be rather obvious statistical flaws in the evidence used against her. For instance there were other deaths in the unit when she wasn’t there, but these were not included in the critical data chart.
I just went thru my personal characteristics to see if I could legitimately put myself forward as a Conservative candidate. Despite some sincere leanings towards the centre-right, particularly regards crime, the military and defence, I rapidly concluded that they would not accept me. Which may be a bit of a pity.
A good friend of mine is a very senior forensic psychiatrist employed by the Home Office/cops from time to time. As a consultant. He’s known to be brilliant
He’s personally reviewed the Letby case and he’s fairly sure she is innocent - not convinced, but he certainly has reasonable doubt
I have no dog in this fight. I assumed the conviction was watertight. He told me this over lunch just before Xmas. Disturbing"
Why would a forensic psychiatrist be able to assess evidence about how premature babies died?
The evidence against Letby was not based on her psychiatric state but on the non-natural causes of the deaths and that Letby was the only nurse who was present at the relevant times.
I've seen a number of middle aged men unwilling to believe Letby's guilt. They see the image of the pretty blond nurse holding up a babygro and forget that a jury sat through months of evidence to reach their conclusions.
Labour is looking to introduce votes for 16 and 17-year-olds in its first year in government if it wins the election.
The party is closely studying how Scotland and Wales lowered the voting age and believes there is no reason why lowering the national voting age for general elections would need to take longer.
Sir Keir Starmer pledged to extend the franchise to younger voters in September with no indication of how quickly the policy would be implemented should it win the election. Party sources now say that while there is yet no commitment that the policy will be in the King’s Speech, it is nonetheless expected to be enacted quickly. “I would be extremely surprised if it wasn’t in the King’s Speech,” one said, describing the legislation needed as “extremely straightforward”.
If they are also going to lower the age at which you can buy alcohol and leave school etc then fine. I’m not convinced you can declare that someone is old enough to discern and determine who can make laws and govern the country but can’t in their own lives discern and determine what legal chemicals to place in their bodies. I also presume that given the candidate age is aligned with the voting age that will drop to 16 too, which will allow for the possibility of some kid who’s barely started shaving getting elected to Parliament then having to absent themselves for the first 2 years whilst they finish compulsory education. Bonkers.
If you drink irresponsibly, you could kill yourself or another. If you vote irresponsibly… well, it makes no difference because 60,000 other people are voting in your constituency. Individual votes are very diluted.
Labour is looking to introduce votes for 16 and 17-year-olds in its first year in government if it wins the election.
The party is closely studying how Scotland and Wales lowered the voting age and believes there is no reason why lowering the national voting age for general elections would need to take longer.
Sir Keir Starmer pledged to extend the franchise to younger voters in September with no indication of how quickly the policy would be implemented should it win the election. Party sources now say that while there is yet no commitment that the policy will be in the King’s Speech, it is nonetheless expected to be enacted quickly. “I would be extremely surprised if it wasn’t in the King’s Speech,” one said, describing the legislation needed as “extremely straightforward”.
I am against this. I am not convinced that 16 year olds are mature enough for the vote. They will have a lifetime of voting after they turn 18.
People love to slam the Tories for allegedly using voter ID to suppress votes against them. Will they slam this as a naked attempt to garner more youth votes for Labour? One man’s gerrymandering is another’s increasing the democratic franchise…
I’m in my 50s. I’m not certain people in their 30s are mature enough to vote…
I am in my 50's I am not convinced anyone but me is mature enough to vote
I am in my 60s and convinced I am far too young to vote
Didn't we point out earlier that Rishi's media staff hate him and his other staff aren't clever enough to stop the pitfalls being created..
Can we get onto actual policy please?
What is Sunak planning to do in his second term?
He has promised to do the things that he failed to deliver in his first term.
That's why he lacks credibility.
Isn’t that really what Blair did? Won a whopping majority, didnt do anything in the first term he should have done so not to risk the next election and vowed to do what he didn’t do in his first term. And yet he’s fondly reminisced about.
Labour is looking to introduce votes for 16 and 17-year-olds in its first year in government if it wins the election.
The party is closely studying how Scotland and Wales lowered the voting age and believes there is no reason why lowering the national voting age for general elections would need to take longer.
Sir Keir Starmer pledged to extend the franchise to younger voters in September with no indication of how quickly the policy would be implemented should it win the election. Party sources now say that while there is yet no commitment that the policy will be in the King’s Speech, it is nonetheless expected to be enacted quickly. “I would be extremely surprised if it wasn’t in the King’s Speech,” one said, describing the legislation needed as “extremely straightforward”.
If they are also going to lower the age at which you can buy alcohol and leave school etc then fine. I’m not convinced you can declare that someone is old enough to discern and determine who can make laws and govern the country but can’t in their own lives discern and determine what legal chemicals to place in their bodies. I also presume that given the candidate age is aligned with the voting age that will drop to 16 too, which will allow for the possibility of some kid who’s barely started shaving getting elected to Parliament then having to absent themselves for the first 2 years whilst they finish compulsory education. Bonkers.
When I remember the poor decisions my friends and I made in our early 20s, I think they should raise the voting age to the level at which the average brain is fully mature, which seems to be in the mid- to late-20s.
This is the worst election launch in British history, isn’t it?
I suspect if I’m completely honest it’s only us obsessives who are really paying any attention. At the moment I suspect most of the country are simply aware there’s an election coming and Sunak got rained on, and are probably looking forward to the bank holiday.
But yes, it’s been pretty bad.
Most people are focusing on Euro 2024!
But not so much in Wales (Rishi to note) 😈
If Rishi had mentioned the football in a factory in England then he would have been hammered for assuming everyone in the factory was English or Scottish so had a team in the tournament. How awful he is for not having the sensitivity that there are workers in factories that don’t support purely the teams who have qualified - see, he’s so out of touch. Just because your nations team isn’t in the tournament it doesn’t mean you can’t be looking forward to it. Or some such.
The coverage as a whole is symptomatic of how utterly fucking pathetic our media has become. Obsessed with comedy photo ops and 'gotcha' moments to clip for social media, and daft questions that provide nothing in terms of illumination. Woodward and Bernstein they ain't.
It was perfectly encapsulated yesterday morning on Today. The morning after the election being called on the flagship current affairs programme and the lead angle was that some Tory MPs were flabbergasted, annoyed etc. not that we were getting a general election, the general election everyone was calling for and what that meant for the country, the correspondents had been spending their time whatsappung and being briefed how annoyed MPs were.
It’s a fucking pantomime and the politics is crap because the people who are supposed to be holding their feet to the fire are too invested in the pantomime themselfves. It’s a lot easier to earn your money as a politics journalist by repeating gossip than actually analysing the crap politicians are saying because the journalists, like the politicians, have very rarely actually done anything else of note which would make themselves think, “hang on a minute, when I was working in the steel industry if a boss did this they would be fucked, etc”.
Everything about this turd of a nation is fucked. The politics, the media, the economics, the attitudes, the morality. The way the entire deck is stacked against anyone getting out of their box for a moment. And the slack jaws hose down their bread and circuses clapping like seals for any shit they are told to. We are in the last days of Rome. I like a rant. Cleansing.
If it's so awful here, why is this country one of the top destinations for people from all over the world?
If you are born into poverty in the uk, on average it takes your decendants 5 generations FIVE....to make it up to median income. Just across the water in Denmark where they give a shit about each other, it takes 2 generations. Why would you take initiative in the uk if you will never see the benefit, even vicariously through your children. Britain is a heartless society where everybody would rather nobody got anything out of worry that 1 person gets 50p too much. It is just so petty. These are our compatriots for christ sake. I hear a lot of talk, especially on the right, about loving your own country.... but as I see it, many many brits absolutely loathe their own cutbry and their compatriots. It is a very sad situation.
Indeed. See the contempt on this site for Rishi Sunak for his sin of having hard-working, hard-caring parents who spent every penny sending him to great schools, where he ALSO worked hard (head boy) and then got a really good lucrative job
What a wanker! How dare he! And an Indian! We like our minorities to be oppressed gang bangers who get wrongly shot by police while doing drug deals, thanks, so they don't get any uppity ideas about actually succeeding
He's done poorly as prime minister, failing on my terms, your terms, and even, damningly, his own terms.
But he was HEAD BOY. Fuck me, that turns it all around.
I know you don't like uppity immigrants and you prefer them to be shot by the Met Police so you can whine about it for ever in a middle middle class way that somehow satisfies you sexually, but this is Sunak's story:
"Sunak was born on 12 May 1980 in Southampton General Hospital in Southampton, Hampshire,[3][4] to East African-born Hindu parents of Indian Punjabi descent, Yashvir and Usha Sunak.[5][6][7] He attended Stroud School, a preparatory school in Romsey, and later studied at Winchester College as a dayboy, becoming head boy of the college.[8][9][10] He worked as a waiter in a curry house in Southampton during his summer holidays.[11][12] He read philosophy, politics and economics at Lincoln College, Oxford, graduating with a first in 2001.[10][13] During his time at university, he undertook an internship at Conservative Campaign Headquarters and joined the Conservative Party.[9] In 2006, Sunak earned a Master of Business Administration degree from Stanford University as a Fulbright Scholar.[13][14][15] While at Stanford, he met his future wife Akshata Murty, the daughter of Indian billionaire N. R. Narayana Murthy of Infosys.[16]"
His parents worked incredibly hard, he has worked incredibly hard. He has had the good fortune of being born very intelligent, but unlike some he has put it to good use, studying and working with great drive and eventually becoming prime minister of the United Kingdom as a second generation brown skinned immigrant. It is quite a remarkable story - as someone who is hugely skeptical of mass immigration, I personally would be much more in favour of it if every immigrant was like him or his family
You clearly feel different for your own sick perverse reasons. Well done
Is he a great prime minister? No. Is he a credit to himself, his family and the country they emigrated to? Yes
Another part of perception, we somehow despise *effort*. Cf my ex, pointing out that to work at all was infra dig. This is part of the national consciousness, and probably explains generational unemployment in Jaywick as much as it does my well-heeled ex.
So Boris was lauded for being effortless, doing little work, delegating, being a bit of a buffoon, etc. Whereas Rishi, despite his many accomplishments is written off as a try hard. And believe me an MBA at Stanford is much more impressive and academically rigorous than Classics at Oxford.
Sadly it's the national culture, or national disease. To be seen to try is to be a bit of a loser, whether you're a working class kid in a sink school, or the next PM. And it explains a lot about the state this country is in.
It's interesting, isn't it that it's the complete opposite in our sporting stars?
There is a dissertation in that somewhere. "We want physical prowess to be the product of effort, but intellectual and social prowess to be effortless. Why is that, and is it the product of societal conditioning? Discuss."
I've no answer to that question but I'd love to read the paper if it was ever published.
That is the English Public School cult of amateurism. A cult that has not served the country well.
Contrast it with the culture of hard work of my Presbyterian ancestors. Anything worth doing should require effort, persistence and strength of character.
There is more to Britain than English Public Schools, despite their dominance of so many sectors.
Indeed. One of the baleful effects of the English class system. Of course there is self interest in this the poshos can sail through on connections and dont have to work so hard. Why not hobble the competition. If the uk becomes 2nd rate as a result ah well.
"As a schoolboy, the young Michael Heseltine mapped out his future. In his 20s, he would become a millionaire. In his 30s, he would become an MP. In his 40s, he would be on the Tory frontbench. By his 50s – between 1983 and 1993 – he would enter Downing Street."
A good friend of mine is a very senior forensic psychiatrist employed by the Home Office/cops from time to time. As a consultant. He’s known to be brilliant
He’s personally reviewed the Letby case and he’s fairly sure she is innocent - not convinced, but he certainly has reasonable doubt
I have no dog in this fight. I assumed the conviction was watertight. He told me this over lunch just before Xmas. Disturbing"
Why would a forensic psychiatrist be able to assess evidence about how premature babies died?
The evidence against Letby was not based on her psychiatric state but on the non-natural causes of the deaths and that Letby was the only nurse who was present at the relevant times.
I've seen a number of middle aged men unwilling to believe Letby's guilt. They see the image of the pretty blond nurse holding up a babygro and forget that a jury sat through months of evidence to reach their conclusions.
I’ve not doubted her guilt until today when someone posted a link to some very serious flaws in the statistics used against her, something that was not reported at the time, and I suspect was not well contested in court. Never, ever underestimate just how poor the members of the public are at statistics, odds and probability.
Labour is looking to introduce votes for 16 and 17-year-olds in its first year in government if it wins the election.
The party is closely studying how Scotland and Wales lowered the voting age and believes there is no reason why lowering the national voting age for general elections would need to take longer.
Sir Keir Starmer pledged to extend the franchise to younger voters in September with no indication of how quickly the policy would be implemented should it win the election. Party sources now say that while there is yet no commitment that the policy will be in the King’s Speech, it is nonetheless expected to be enacted quickly. “I would be extremely surprised if it wasn’t in the King’s Speech,” one said, describing the legislation needed as “extremely straightforward”.
I am against this. I am not convinced that 16 year olds are mature enough for the vote. They will have a lifetime of voting after they turn 18.
People love to slam the Tories for allegedly using voter ID to suppress votes against them. Will they slam this as a naked attempt to garner more youth votes for Labour? One man’s gerrymandering is another’s increasing the democratic franchise…
Isn't this always the problem with political wheezes. Its easy to see a thumb on the scale as righting the wrongs of past injustice, until the electorate turns and now you're staring down, votes for 16 year olds, curtailing postal voting and automatic enrolment on the electoral register.
Will the Conservatives actually be able to fill all these vacant seats? And even if they can, will they be able to vet all the candidates to try and filter out as many fruit loops as possible?
They'll have war gamed it at the 'snap election' meeting the weekend before he announced So yeah. The drama over it is entirely press manufactured. Constituencies will have been told 'is your shortlist ready' etc? And if not then they'll have central list guys and gals imposed. It's been reported for weeks/months how many likely to stand down
Ditto Labours 100 vacancies
A few omaras might sneak through of course
Speaking of war-gaming the snap election . . .
Last weekend I encountered a small gaggle of local GOPers assembled at one corner of a vest-pocket park, led by head of the 36th legislative district Republican Party. A group than can assemble comfortably in a rather small space.
Yet THEY had the sense to bring along a small tent, the kind that is basically a roof on four polls. So their leader as well as followers avoided getting wet (in any sense).
Yet the leader of the Conservative and Unionist Party of the United Kingdom, the successor of Pitt, Disraeli, Churchill, Thatcher AND Truss, was less well served by HIS party organization!
Labour is looking to introduce votes for 16 and 17-year-olds in its first year in government if it wins the election.
The party is closely studying how Scotland and Wales lowered the voting age and believes there is no reason why lowering the national voting age for general elections would need to take longer.
Sir Keir Starmer pledged to extend the franchise to younger voters in September with no indication of how quickly the policy would be implemented should it win the election. Party sources now say that while there is yet no commitment that the policy will be in the King’s Speech, it is nonetheless expected to be enacted quickly. “I would be extremely surprised if it wasn’t in the King’s Speech,” one said, describing the legislation needed as “extremely straightforward”.
If they are also going to lower the age at which you can buy alcohol and leave school etc then fine. I’m not convinced you can declare that someone is old enough to discern and determine who can make laws and govern the country but can’t in their own lives discern and determine what legal chemicals to place in their bodies. I also presume that given the candidate age is aligned with the voting age that will drop to 16 too, which will allow for the possibility of some kid who’s barely started shaving getting elected to Parliament then having to absent themselves for the first 2 years whilst they finish compulsory education. Bonkers.
If you drink irresponsibly, you could kill yourself or another. If you vote irresponsibly… well, it makes no difference because 60,000 other people are voting in your constituency. Individual votes are very diluted.
That’s a fair point, but I ask again, is this not simply the mirror of what the Tories did with voter ID? There is no burning reason to lower the age of voting, when you won’t do so for alcohol, and you must still attend school.
This is the worst election launch in British history, isn’t it?
I suspect if I’m completely honest it’s only us obsessives who are really paying any attention. At the moment I suspect most of the country are simply aware there’s an election coming and Sunak got rained on, and are probably looking forward to the bank holiday.
But yes, it’s been pretty bad.
Most people are focusing on Euro 2024!
But not so much in Wales (Rishi to note) 😈
If Rishi had mentioned the football in a factory in England then he would have been hammered for assuming everyone in the factory was English or Scottish so had a team in the tournament. How awful he is for not having the sensitivity that there are workers in factories that don’t support purely the teams who have qualified - see, he’s so out of touch. Just because your nations team isn’t in the tournament it doesn’t mean you can’t be looking forward to it. Or some such.
The coverage as a whole is symptomatic of how utterly fucking pathetic our media has become. Obsessed with comedy photo ops and 'gotcha' moments to clip for social media, and daft questions that provide nothing in terms of illumination. Woodward and Bernstein they ain't.
It was perfectly encapsulated yesterday morning on Today. The morning after the election being called on the flagship current affairs programme and the lead angle was that some Tory MPs were flabbergasted, annoyed etc. not that we were getting a general election, the general election everyone was calling for and what that meant for the country, the correspondents had been spending their time whatsappung and being briefed how annoyed MPs were.
It’s a fucking pantomime and the politics is crap because the people who are supposed to be holding their feet to the fire are too invested in the pantomime themselfves. It’s a lot easier to earn your money as a politics journalist by repeating gossip than actually analysing the crap politicians are saying because the journalists, like the politicians, have very rarely actually done anything else of note which would make themselves think, “hang on a minute, when I was working in the steel industry if a boss did this they would be fucked, etc”.
Everything about this turd of a nation is fucked. The politics, the media, the economics, the attitudes, the morality. The way the entire deck is stacked against anyone getting out of their box for a moment. And the slack jaws hose down their bread and circuses clapping like seals for any shit they are told to. We are in the last days of Rome. I like a rant. Cleansing.
If it's so awful here, why is this country one of the top destinations for people from all over the world?
If you are born into poverty in the uk, on average it takes your decendants 5 generations FIVE....to make it up to median income. Just across the water in Denmark where they give a shit about each other, it takes 2 generations. Why would you take initiative in the uk if you will never see the benefit, even vicariously through your children. Britain is a heartless society where everybody would rather nobody got anything out of worry that 1 person gets 50p too much. It is just so petty. These are our compatriots for christ sake. I hear a lot of talk, especially on the right, about loving your own country.... but as I see it, many many brits absolutely loathe their own cutbry and their compatriots. It is a very sad situation.
Indeed. See the contempt on this site for Rishi Sunak for his sin of having hard-working, hard-caring parents who spent every penny sending him to great schools, where he ALSO worked hard (head boy) and then got a really good lucrative job
What a wanker! How dare he! And an Indian! We like our minorities to be oppressed gang bangers who get wrongly shot by police while doing drug deals, thanks, so they don't get any uppity ideas about actually succeeding
He's done poorly as prime minister, failing on my terms, your terms, and even, damningly, his own terms.
But he was HEAD BOY. Fuck me, that turns it all around.
I know you don't like uppity immigrants and you prefer them to be shot by the Met Police so you can whine about it for ever in a middle middle class way that somehow satisfies you sexually, but this is Sunak's story:
"Sunak was born on 12 May 1980 in Southampton General Hospital in Southampton, Hampshire,[3][4] to East African-born Hindu parents of Indian Punjabi descent, Yashvir and Usha Sunak.[5][6][7] He attended Stroud School, a preparatory school in Romsey, and later studied at Winchester College as a dayboy, becoming head boy of the college.[8][9][10] He worked as a waiter in a curry house in Southampton during his summer holidays.[11][12] He read philosophy, politics and economics at Lincoln College, Oxford, graduating with a first in 2001.[10][13] During his time at university, he undertook an internship at Conservative Campaign Headquarters and joined the Conservative Party.[9] In 2006, Sunak earned a Master of Business Administration degree from Stanford University as a Fulbright Scholar.[13][14][15] While at Stanford, he met his future wife Akshata Murty, the daughter of Indian billionaire N. R. Narayana Murthy of Infosys.[16]"
His parents worked incredibly hard, he has worked incredibly hard. He has had the good fortune of being born very intelligent, but unlike some he has put it to good use, studying and working with great drive and eventually becoming prime minister of the United Kingdom as a second generation brown skinned immigrant. It is quite a remarkable story - as someone who is hugely skeptical of mass immigration, I personally would be much more in favour of it if every immigrant was like him or his family
You clearly feel different for your own sick perverse reasons. Well done
Is he a great prime minister? No. Is he a credit to himself, his family and the country they emigrated to? Yes
Another part of perception, we somehow despise *effort*. Cf my ex, pointing out that to work at all was infra dig. This is part of the national consciousness, and probably explains generational unemployment in Jaywick as much as it does my well-heeled ex.
So Boris was lauded for being effortless, doing little work, delegating, being a bit of a buffoon, etc. Whereas Rishi, despite his many accomplishments is written off as a try hard. And believe me an MBA at Stanford is much more impressive and academically rigorous than Classics at Oxford.
Sadly it's the national culture, or national disease. To be seen to try is to be a bit of a loser, whether you're a working class kid in a sink school, or the next PM. And it explains a lot about the state this country is in.
It's interesting, isn't it that it's the complete opposite in our sporting stars?
There is a dissertation in that somewhere. "We want physical prowess to be the product of effort, but intellectual and social prowess to be effortless. Why is that, and is it the product of societal conditioning? Discuss."
I've no answer to that question but I'd love to read the paper if it was ever published.
That is the English Public School cult of amateurism. A cult that has not served the country well.
Contrast it with the culture of hard work of my Presbyterian ancestors. Anything worth doing should require effort, persistence and strength of character.
There is more to Britain than English Public Schools, despite their dominance of so many sectors.
Indeed. One of the baleful effects of the English class system. Of course there is self interest in this the poshos can sail through on connections and dont have to work so hard. Why not hobble the competition. If the uk becomes 2nd rate as a result ah well.
Absolutely, we should stick to those titans of success who didn’t go to public school like May, Truss, Brown. It’s all down to schooling.
Didn't we point out earlier that Rishi's media staff hate him and his other staff aren't clever enough to stop the pitfalls being created..
Can we get onto actual policy please?
What is Sunak planning to do in his second term?
He has promised to do the things that he failed to deliver in his first term.
That's why he lacks credibility.
Isn’t that really what Blair did? Won a whopping majority, didnt do anything in the first term he should have done so not to risk the next election and vowed to do what he didn’t do in his first term. And yet he’s fondly reminisced about.
No. Blair deliberately lowballed his objectives so that he could over deliver. The pledge card was very unambitious.*
Sunak has done the opposite. He bigger up his promises then failed to deliver them . Then wants re-election on the basis of those promises.
* somewhere I have one given to me personally by John Prescott, signed by him.
A good friend of mine is a very senior forensic psychiatrist employed by the Home Office/cops from time to time. As a consultant. He’s known to be brilliant
He’s personally reviewed the Letby case and he’s fairly sure she is innocent - not convinced, but he certainly has reasonable doubt
I have no dog in this fight. I assumed the conviction was watertight. He told me this over lunch just before Xmas. Disturbing"
Why would a forensic psychiatrist be able to assess evidence about how premature babies died?
The evidence against Letby was not based on her psychiatric state but on the non-natural causes of the deaths and that Letby was the only nurse who was present at the relevant times.
I think there’s a greater flaw in Leon’s story. He claims he has a friend, but if he had a friend, he wouldn’t have to bore us with his holiday snaps.
A good friend of mine is a very senior forensic psychiatrist employed by the Home Office/cops from time to time. As a consultant. He’s known to be brilliant
He’s personally reviewed the Letby case and he’s fairly sure she is innocent - not convinced, but he certainly has reasonable doubt
I have no dog in this fight. I assumed the conviction was watertight. He told me this over lunch just before Xmas. Disturbing"
Why would a forensic psychiatrist be able to assess evidence about how premature babies died?
The evidence against Letby was not based on her psychiatric state but on the non-natural causes of the deaths and that Letby was the only nurse who was present at the relevant times.
I've seen a number of middle aged men unwilling to believe Letby's guilt. They see the image of the pretty blond nurse holding up a babygro and forget that a jury sat through months of evidence to reach their conclusions.
Juries sat through months of evidence before convicting subpostmasters.
Tim Montgomerie 🇬🇧 @montie Gove. Wallace. Javid. May. Redwood. Zahawi. Leadsom. Cash. Clark. (I could go on and on…) All stepping down. We are witnessing an absolutely massive changing of the guard. An historic loss of experience and memory - whatever the election result. The Conservative Party won’t be the same again..:. For good or ill
A good friend of mine is a very senior forensic psychiatrist employed by the Home Office/cops from time to time. As a consultant. He’s known to be brilliant
He’s personally reviewed the Letby case and he’s fairly sure she is innocent - not convinced, but he certainly has reasonable doubt
I have no dog in this fight. I assumed the conviction was watertight. He told me this over lunch just before Xmas. Disturbing"
Why would a forensic psychiatrist be able to assess evidence about how premature babies died?
The evidence against Letby was not based on her psychiatric state but on the non-natural causes of the deaths and that Letby was the only nurse who was present at the relevant times.
I've seen a number of middle aged men unwilling to believe Letby's guilt. They see the image of the pretty blond nurse holding up a babygro and forget that a jury sat through months of evidence to reach their conclusions.
Juries sat through months of evidence before convicting subpostmasters.
I’ve liked this, but we’re the cases against subbies ever that long?
A good friend of mine is a very senior forensic psychiatrist employed by the Home Office/cops from time to time. As a consultant. He’s known to be brilliant
He’s personally reviewed the Letby case and he’s fairly sure she is innocent - not convinced, but he certainly has reasonable doubt
I have no dog in this fight. I assumed the conviction was watertight. He told me this over lunch just before Xmas. Disturbing"
Why would a forensic psychiatrist be able to assess evidence about how premature babies died?
The evidence against Letby was not based on her psychiatric state but on the non-natural causes of the deaths and that Letby was the only nurse who was present at the relevant times.
I've seen a number of middle aged men unwilling to believe Letby's guilt. They see the image of the pretty blond nurse holding up a babygro and forget that a jury sat through months of evidence to reach their conclusions.
I’ve not doubted her guilt until today when someone posted a link to some very serious flaws in the statistics used against her, something that was not reported at the time, and I suspect was not well contested in court. Never, ever underestimate just how poor the members of the public are at statistics, odds and probability.
I would be willing to listen to that, but far too much of the discussion around the case so far is thinking the middle class nice looking nurse can't be guilty, because she doesn't look the type.
1) Peston: Senior Tories believe there will be an avalanche of Tory MPs announcing their retirement this weekend 2) Sunak quits the campaign and goes home to closet himself away with his closest advisors...
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“Thanks but I’m really clever so I’m going to work hard and succeed”
“ you can’t, society is against you”
“Honestly, I’m ok, I’m doing really well”
“Only we can make sure you have a country you can succeed in”
“I’m already more successful than you”
“ you fucking turncoat traitor, how dare you not conform to our requirements of you and see things differently to us”.
“That’s why I’m off to to California with my billionaire wife - enjoy your self defeating battle”.
It's not like you live in some dodgy US state where the polling booths have been reduced to ensure you can only vote if you take the day off, and arrive before polling opens to join a 5 mile long queue...
(I don't think I've posted an image today, but if I have, I beg an indulgence as we are close to midnight, with a penalty of no image permitted tomorrow).
Who here has ever said anything along those lines?
The party is closely studying how Scotland and Wales lowered the voting age and believes there is no reason why lowering the national voting age for general elections would need to take longer.
Sir Keir Starmer pledged to extend the franchise to younger voters in September with no indication of how quickly the policy would be implemented should it win the election. Party sources now say that while there is yet no commitment that the policy will be in the King’s Speech, it is nonetheless expected to be enacted quickly. “I would be extremely surprised if it wasn’t in the King’s Speech,” one said, describing the legislation needed as “extremely straightforward”.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/labour-vote-general-election-16-year-olds-mrdwhthsv
(Had some the other evening, btw, on my monkfish alla tomatoes and olives and capers with rice.)
Doubt if that does them any harm …
And with that, night night
People love to slam the Tories for allegedly using voter ID to suppress votes against them. Will they slam this as a naked attempt to garner more youth votes for Labour? One man’s gerrymandering is another’s increasing the democratic franchise…
There are people on social media tonight convinced a funny photo and asking Welsh dudes about footy means Canada 93 is nailed on. I'm guessing it's their first rodeo.
Voting blocks are a thing. Coconuts are an abusive term for real and it’s the fact that certain sections cannot understand that the colour of your skin doesn’t determine how you are politically.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-33173488
From memory a fair number of none Lib Dems helped he out there as he was rather liked...
Albeit given what their criminal, oops, Welsh wing came up with on that subject that's probably a good thing.
Also raising awareness of voter ID. It'll be too late for voters to register though.
Full disclosure: I was Head Boy, and neither am I.
I find this whole conversation bizarre though. The views that brown immigrants are bad, and Wykehamists are good, are two cheeks of the one a*se. It's like saying this guy was the son of slaves, but they gave him such a good education that now he can afford to own slaves himself. huzzah!
One of the best things that the Conservatives ever did was support the move of East African Asians to Britain when Amin chucked them out.
I have great admiration for their culture of hard work and academic work, and they often do describe episodes of racism along the way.
But it is the simple truth that Sunak has led a gilded life. Prep School, Winchester College, a flat bought for him in London aged 22 for his first job in the City. Selected for a safe seat, and rapidly promoted. He has never had to experience the bitter taste of failure. Sure he has worked hard too, I have never denied that.
This is why he has been such a failure as PM. He has never had to learn to eat humble pie, to develop humility, or to listen to others advice on how to do better. So he doesn't know how. He might have been a decent PM if he had a decade in opposition rather than straight into government.
'Conservative MSP Annabel Goldie told MSPs that the bill was an important moment for young people and democracy.
"This bill heralds an exciting era for our young people," she said.
"I think it is an opportunity for them to continue their high level of engagement in topical affairs that we saw with the independence referendum."'
Note that after 1815, expansion of settlement into Upper Canada > Ontario was quite rapid, including significant number of overseas immigrants.
Further expansion of settlement and immigration from Ontario most went toward destinations further west, but into the US, not Rupert's Land > Northwest Territory, which remained a massive fir-trapping preserve as long as transportation links were limited to birchbark & similar, and there was land & opportunity available south of the border.
AND when railroads made the Canadian Northwest more accessible, first via US feeder lines then over the Canadian Pacific, there was another rapid expansion of settlement AND also mass immigration, both strongly encouraged by the express policy of federal governments of Canada both Grit (Liberal) and Tory.
Addendum - Forgot to say that, in both USA and Canada, process of settlement expansion and immigration was largely driven from the bottom up.
The top-down policy and activity of governments on both sides of the border being primarily a reflection of demands from the economy, demography and society of each emerging nation.
Manitoba being one example with respect to British North America > Canada.
Indeed often the highest flyers in their careers who end up party leaders end up either losing elections or being none too successful in the top job, eg Mitt Romney, Hillary Clinton, Hague, Stoiber in Germany, Gordon Brown, Eden, Rishi, Ignatieff in Canada, Turnbull in Australia etc.
The greatest PMs and Presidents though eg Churchill, Attlee, Thatcher, Blair, Kohl, John Howard and Bob Hawke, Reagan, FDR, Clinton were often not top tier in their previous careers or intellect but knew what needed to be done and could connect with their voters
16 year olds are children. 18 year olds are barely better, but given we allow them the right to drink, drive, get shot at for their country, leave home and tell their parents to do one at around this time, it seems to be the consensus age of majority.
Can any of us say we felt grown up at sixteen? Really?
Go check Electoral Calculus with all the ward breakdowns if you don’t believe this.
Boris was hard-working about things that motivated him, like Ukraine, showing off on TV or writing. He was just bored by the routine business of government, much of which is tedious and a very hard grind. So for that reason he was much better at winning power than governing.
Boycott wasn't liked. But he was hugely admired. Compare attitudes to Lineker to say, Terry Butcher or Stuart Pearce.
"This troubles me
A good friend of mine is a very senior forensic psychiatrist employed by the Home Office/cops from time to time. As a consultant. He’s known to be brilliant
He’s personally reviewed the Letby case and he’s fairly sure she is innocent - not convinced, but he certainly has reasonable doubt
I have no dog in this fight. I assumed the conviction was watertight. He told me this over lunch just before Xmas. Disturbing"
Why would a forensic psychiatrist be able to assess evidence about how premature babies died?
The evidence against Letby was not based on her psychiatric state but on the non-natural causes of the deaths and that Letby was the only nurse who was present at the relevant times.
What is Sunak planning to do in his second term?
Am obliged to you, was previously unaware (or clueless if you prefer) about this E M Forster novel. And of course appreciate your keen political insight re: the gay gamekeeper vote.
Where do you think this key electoral cohort is thickest (perhaps in more ways than one) on the ground?
That's why he lacks credibility.
I don't know how to link to it and it is very easy to find.
@kiranstacey
BREAKING: Sunak is going to take a day off the trail tomorrow in a highly unusual move so early in the campaign. He will spend it at home in talks with his senior aides. But the Tories insist this is NOT a campaign relaunch.
You did mean that kind of term? No?
https://chrishallamworldview.wordpress.com/2014/05/29/michael-heseltine-the-best-tory-prime-minister-we-never-had-2/
https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/1793038192892928503
Isn't this always the problem with political wheezes. Its easy to see a thumb on the scale as righting the wrongs of past injustice, until the electorate turns and now you're staring down, votes for 16 year olds, curtailing postal voting and automatic enrolment on the electoral register.
Last weekend I encountered a small gaggle of local GOPers assembled at one corner of a vest-pocket park, led by head of the 36th legislative district Republican Party. A group than can assemble comfortably in a rather small space.
Yet THEY had the sense to bring along a small tent, the kind that is basically a roof on four polls. So their leader as well as followers avoided getting wet (in any sense).
Yet the leader of the Conservative and Unionist Party of the United Kingdom, the successor of Pitt, Disraeli, Churchill, Thatcher AND Truss, was less well served by HIS party organization!
Did we do the WeThink poll?
Lab 47(+1)
Con 22(-1)
Ref 12(+1)
LD 8(-)
Green 6(-2)
SNP 3(+1)
Labour lead 25(+2)
https://wethink-strapi-k5d3.onrender.com/uploads/Voter_Intention_Tracker_240524_c766ac5719.png
Sunak has done the opposite. He bigger up his promises then failed to deliver them . Then wants re-election on the basis of those promises.
* somewhere I have one given to me personally by John Prescott, signed by him.
Tim Montgomerie 🇬🇧
@montie
Gove. Wallace. Javid. May. Redwood. Zahawi. Leadsom. Cash. Clark. (I could go on and on…) All stepping down. We are witnessing an absolutely massive changing of the guard. An historic loss of experience and memory - whatever the election result. The Conservative Party won’t be the same again..:. For good or ill
https://x.com/montie/status/1794104125057060962
2) Sunak quits the campaign and goes home to closet himself away with his closest advisors...
OK. So who becomes acting leader? Hunt?