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Frustratingly the Indy is releasing its monthly ComRes phone poll in parts and we don’t have the voting intention numbers yet. Given the cost of carrying out phone polls this is understandable but we’d all love to see the actual numbers.
Sometimes we obsess too much over a single poll, but discussing what a poll might show, when it is eventually published, is taking nerdship to a new level!
Sometimes we obsess too much over a single poll, but discussing what a poll might show, when it is eventually published, is taking nerdship to a new level!
Looking at the small amount of data released so far , the Comres sample was heavily pro Labour . In the sample Labour out polled the Conservatives in the 2010 GE !! The weighting adjustments do not fully correct for this ( usual ) pro Labour bias in a telephone poll .
Looking at the small amount of data released so far , the Comres sample was heavily pro Labour . In the sample Labour out polled the Conservatives in the 2010 GE !! The weighting adjustments do not fully correct for this ( usual ) pro Labour bias in a telephone poll .
Same as for Scotland, weighting is wrong and so it is not representative
Looking at the small amount of data released so far , the Comres sample was heavily pro Labour . In the sample Labour out polled the Conservatives in the 2010 GE !! The weighting adjustments do not fully correct for this ( usual ) pro Labour bias in a telephone poll .
Same as for Scotland, weighting is wrong and so it is not representative
It will not make more than 1 or 2 % difference to the VI , YES is toast whether it is not quite representative or not .
Looking at the small amount of data released so far , the Comres sample was heavily pro Labour . In the sample Labour out polled the Conservatives in the 2010 GE !! The weighting adjustments do not fully correct for this ( usual ) pro Labour bias in a telephone poll .
Same as for Scotland, weighting is wrong and so it is not representative
It will not make more than 1 or 2 % difference to the VI , YES is toast whether it is not quite representative or not .
This thread may be pb's apotheosis: analysing and criticising data sets of an opinion poll that has not yet been released.
This morning we have an over broke book on the biggest political betting heat of the year, and a thread goes up about a monthly poll that hasnt been published yet...
Still as it seems some new posters need all the practise they can get in analysing data correctly, maybe OGH is treating this dry run as a set of stabilisers... one day they might even have the confidence to talk about betting
"The findings were bad news for Mr Salmond, who will today use a major speech in London to argue that the Chancellor’s speech on sterling was a major strategic error as it encapsulates Westminster’s “diktats from on high” to Scotland."
Wishful thinking Malcolm? The polls are pretty unequivocally clear. The YES campaign is going to get the dockside hooker treatment in Sept. I think you're going to lose big. Which is, of course, an all round better and less stressful outcome than if you were to lose small.
Interesting radio interview given by Gerhardt Schroeder, the former Chancellor of Germany this morning. Two key observations:
1. On the role of the EU
The European Union “only facilitated the conflict in Ukraine” when it announced that “the Association Agreement is incompatible with the Customs Union agreement between Kiev and Moscow”
2. On the role of NATO
“this alliance does not have a political purpose, and its actions do not help to build trust, but on the contrary, create more and more concerns”. Measures to solve the Ukrainian crisis “should be solely diplomatic”
Schroeder's criticisms of these two trans-national organisations have been widely aired in the western press but this is an early example of establishment political figures stating similar conclusions in public.
The US, UK and EU simply pouring money and 'assistance' into Kiev without first allowing a stable geo-political to establish is a waste of limited resources and a squandering of diplomatic capital.
Similarly, any intent to exclude Russia from economic support plans for The Ukraine, as punishment for Putin's actions, will simply frustrate the implementation of such plans and aggravate the wider threats of the overall crisis.
I generally don't bet - but maybe I'll go out on a (small) limb here). If YES gets less than 45% you give me 20 quid. If they get more I'll give you 20 quid.
@isam Mike has filled his boots of Yes at 4-1 and one of Britain's shrewdest political bookies has advertised a readily arbable price saying it will be No. But if you've backed at 4-1 then you need to be a backer at 11-2 also and pray the price comes in.
I'd b slightly worried if I was in his position but he's a far more experienced gambler than I so he's probably not.
Also Hills are on the wrong side of the arb with their 1-4 on No. Which by implication is fantastic value.
OFCOM has today declared UKIP a Major Party for the Euro elections only.
However ruling does not apply in Scotland.
That would be because there's only one major party in Scotland, i.e. Labour with 42%.
The remainder is basically a protest vote distributed more or less equally among the three minor parties, two of which seem to think they could make a better fist than Labour of its anti-business, anti-enterprise, anti-jobs, anti-prosperity agenda.
I generally don't bet - but maybe I'll go out on a (small) limb here). If YES gets less than 45% you give me 20 quid. If they get more I'll give you 20 quid.
Oh dear, at least Antifrank and Mark Senior took me on for evens at 40%. I'll certainly offer that.
Since we're talking of Scotland (!), I am more and more convinced that, contrary to what one might initially have expected, the SNP will get a big boost in support in Holyrood and Westminster elections, following a No in the referendum.
My thinking is that the referendum is a battle of Head vs Heart, and that Salmond will win on the latter but comprehensively lose on the former. So I anticipate that it will be a decisive but nonetheless reluctant No, leaving voters favourably disposed towards the SNP and keen to give them a consolation prize, which can be rationalised as supporting the party which 'stood up for Scotland' even if, when push comes to shove, Scots overwhelmingly decide that independence is a leap too far into the dark.
In addition, Labour, as the SNP's main rivals in Scotland, don't seem to be providing any kind of emotional or strategic leadership in the referendum debate; it's hard to see Scottish attitudes towards Labour being enhanced by the campaign, or by their tie-up with Osborne and the Conservatives in Westminster in dissing Scottish dreams. Given that the Tories are thinly supported in Scotland, and the Scottish LibDems seem to be heading for an electoral car-crash, then, in this zero-sum game, the beneficiaries must be the SNP.
I'm therefore expecting a net and possibly quite large swing towards the SNP in the 2015 GE. However, in terms of seats, there may not be a big change, since the majorities which the SNP will be trying to overturn in its top targets are all higher than 10% and mostly higher than 20%. It would be interesting to look at this in more detail, but I do think Shadsy's 4/5 on SNP getting over 6.5 seats is worth a punt.
I cannot stress how damaging it is for the Tories to be seen to keep running out in defence of the City of London whenever some supposed crisis erupts.
I generally don't bet - but maybe I'll go out on a (small) limb here). If YES gets less than 45% you give me 20 quid. If they get more I'll give you 20 quid.
Oh dear, at least Antifrank and Mark Senior took me on for evens at 40%. I'll certainly offer that.
I'll take £20 on that, if you're willing. This is my first PB bet!
'Support for Scottish independence has dropped since George Osborne rejected a currency union, according to an opinion poll published as Alex Salmond today calls the Chancellor’s intervention a “monumental error”.'
I cannot stress how damaging it is for the Tories to be seen to keep running out in defence of the City of London whenever some supposed crisis erupts.
The fact Tories cannot see this is too funny.
Ben
The City pays the taxes which allow Labour voters to survive without working.
The fact Lefties cannot see this isn't funny at all: it is frightening.
Since we're talking of Scotland (!), I am more and more convinced that, contrary to what one might initially have expected, the SNP will get a big boost in support in Holyrood and Westminster elections, following a No in the referendum.
My thinking is that the referendum is a battle of Head vs Heart, and that Salmond will win on the latter but comprehensively lose on the former. So I anticipate that it will be a decisive but nonetheless reluctant No, leaving voters favourably disposed towards the SNP and keen to give them a consolation prize, which can be rationalised as supporting the party which 'stood up for Scotland' even if, when push comes to shove, Scots overwhelmingly decide that independence is a leap too far into the dark.
In addition, Labour, as the SNP's main rivals in Scotland, don't seem to be providing any kind of emotional or strategic leadership in the referendum debate; it's hard to see Scottish attitudes towards Labour being enhanced by the campaign, or by their tie-up with Osborne and the Conservatives in Westminster in dissing Scottish dreams. Given that the Tories are thinly supported in Scotland, and the Scottish LibDems seem to be heading for an electoral car-crash, then, in this zero-sum game, the beneficiaries must be the SNP.
I'm therefore expecting a net and possibly quite large swing towards the SNP in the 2015 GE. However, in terms of seats, there may not be a big change, since the majorities which the SNP will be trying to overturn in its top targets are all higher than 10% and mostly higher than 20%. It would be interesting to look at this in more detail, but I do think Shadsy's 4/5 on SNP getting over 6.5 seats is worth a punt.
Since you are indeed talking of Scotland (!), I will add - from my own perspective - that I was indeed thinking very much that this morning, partly because of the way in which recent voting intentions have been showing up (some polls giving the SNP a 5% percentage point margin over Labour at Westminster, which is what is needed to counteract the Labour constituency distrubition factor if playing on Electoral Calculus is any guide). And then I read this
There are also other factors which spring to mind as pointing that way but I won't bother you with them as I have work to do!
One caveat: other beneficiaries might be UKIP, Greens, Trots or the Monster Raving mob, to some extent. Though I would be very surprised to see anyone other than the Greens, and perhaps a revived Sheridan-style leftie party, pick up more than the odd list seat at Holyrood.
Since we're talking of Scotland (!), I am more and more convinced that, contrary to what one might initially have expected, the SNP will get a big boost in support in Holyrood and Westminster elections, following a No in the referendum.
My thinking is that the referendum is a battle of Head vs Heart, and that Salmond will win on the latter but comprehensively lose on the former. So I anticipate that it will be a decisive but nonetheless reluctant No, leaving voters favourably disposed towards the SNP and keen to give them a consolation prize, which can be rationalised as supporting the party which 'stood up for Scotland' even if, when push comes to shove, Scots overwhelmingly decide that independence is a leap too far into the dark.
In addition, Labour, as the SNP's main rivals in Scotland, don't seem to be providing any kind of emotional or strategic leadership in the referendum debate; it's hard to see Scottish attitudes towards Labour being enhanced by the campaign, or by their tie-up with Osborne and the Conservatives in Westminster in dissing Scottish dreams. Given that the Tories are thinly supported in Scotland, and the Scottish LibDems seem to be heading for an electoral car-crash, then, in this zero-sum game, the beneficiaries must be the SNP.
I'm therefore expecting a net and possibly quite large swing towards the SNP in the 2015 GE. However, in terms of seats, there may not be a big change, since the majorities which the SNP will be trying to overturn in its top targets are all higher than 10% and mostly higher than 20%. It would be interesting to look at this in more detail, but I do think Shadsy's 4/5 on SNP getting over 6.5 seats is worth a punt.
And whilst 42% YeS loses the referendum, 42% for the SNP does very well at Westminster. Of course thats oversimplistic but Scotland staying in the union may not be the disaster for the SNP everyone assumes it is.
I can see it now:
Paxo/O' Neill : "You've lost Mr Salmond" "61 to 39"
Salmond turns to TV camera, a wry smile on his face "The important thing is that the Scottish people have decided their own fate. Now obviously we'd have preferred to have won but sometimes things don't work out that way"
I cannot stress how damaging it is for the Tories to be seen to keep running out in defence of the City of London whenever some supposed crisis erupts.
The fact Tories cannot see this is too funny.
Ben
The City pays the taxes which allow Labour voters to survive without working.
The fact Lefties cannot see this isn't funny at all: it is frightening.
The City brought down a whole economy in 2008 which forced lots of voters of all hues to survive without working. .
In 1983 the Tories were defending a notional majority of 3,634 votes in the new seat of Crewe & Nantwich but lost it by 290 to the sitting MP for Crewe Gwyneth Dunwoody. The Conservative candidate was Patrick Rock:
And whilst 42% YeS loses the referendum, 42% for the SNP does very well at Westminster.
More than double 2010's result, in fact, and presumably in effect a swap of that year's results between SNP and Labour.
Does anyone else find rather peculiar the idea that an electorate would vote for a secessionist party, but against secession? What does it achieve?
The idea that the SNP view of the world could go from 20% support in 2010 (when nobody was scrutinising what their big idea actually entailed) to more than 50% 4 years later (after such scrutiny has taken place) is clearly so far-fetched as not to be worth thinking about. The interesting thing is how far they can stretch it from 20%, my best guess being low 30s.
A discussion about spread betting has begun in the comments. I don't do that (too rich for my blood), but it might be of interest to some here, so I thought I'd flag it up.
I was surprised Grosjean and Maldonado has identical numbers.
Looking at the small amount of data released so far , the Comres sample was heavily pro Labour . In the sample Labour out polled the Conservatives in the 2010 GE !! The weighting adjustments do not fully correct for this ( usual ) pro Labour bias in a telephone poll .
Same as for Scotland, weighting is wrong and so it is not representative
It will not make more than 1 or 2 % difference to the VI , YES is toast whether it is not quite representative or not .
only sure thing is that the LD's are toast, likely that UKIP will beat them into 4th place.
Looking at the small amount of data released so far , the Comres sample was heavily pro Labour . In the sample Labour out polled the Conservatives in the 2010 GE !! The weighting adjustments do not fully correct for this ( usual ) pro Labour bias in a telephone poll .
Same as for Scotland, weighting is wrong and so it is not representative
It will not make more than 1 or 2 % difference to the VI , YES is toast whether it is not quite representative or not .
Looking at the small amount of data released so far , the Comres sample was heavily pro Labour . In the sample Labour out polled the Conservatives in the 2010 GE !! The weighting adjustments do not fully correct for this ( usual ) pro Labour bias in a telephone poll .
Same as for Scotland, weighting is wrong and so it is not representative
It will not make more than 1 or 2 % difference to the VI , YES is toast whether it is not quite representative or not .
only sure thing is that the LD's are toast, likely that UKIP will beat them into 4th place.
I'd love to see an Ashcroft poll in Danny Alexander's seat.
I cannot stress how damaging it is for the Tories to be seen to keep running out in defence of the City of London whenever some supposed crisis erupts.
The fact Tories cannot see this is too funny.
Ben
The City pays the taxes which allow Labour voters to survive without working.
The fact Lefties cannot see this isn't funny at all: it is frightening.
The City brought down a whole economy in 2008 which forced lots of voters of all hues to survive without working. .
Wasn't that Gordon, Ben?
At least Gordon is nowhere to be seen today and the City is still paying for Labour's feckless scroungers.
And whilst 42% YeS loses the referendum, 42% for the SNP does very well at Westminster.
More than double 2010's result, in fact, and presumably in effect a swap of that year's results between SNP and Labour.
Does anyone else find rather peculiar the idea that an electorate would vote for a secessionist party, but against secession? What does it achieve?
The idea that the SNP view of the world could go from 20% support in 2010 (when nobody was scrutinising what their big idea actually entailed) to more than 50% 4 years later (after such scrutiny has taken place) is clearly so far-fetched as not to be worth thinking about. The interesting thing is how far they can stretch it from 20%, my best guess being low 30s.
As Mr Malcolmg said to another poster, independence is not the same as the SNP, and it works the other way round too: the SNP is not the same as independence. It has been running the country for almost a decade and is close to becoming the natural party of government in Scotland, one reason for the demented hate which Labour lavish on it to the extent that Labour vote against policies they want if they are in a SNP-proposed bill, the corroboration thing being a recent example (as one would expect from its political origins in part in the rape conviction issue).
. That, together with making sure devomax (etc.) happen, is why that pattern of votes could very well happen. It's already showing in polling, if rather shakily.
I cannot stress how damaging it is for the Tories to be seen to keep running out in defence of the City of London whenever some supposed crisis erupts.
The fact Tories cannot see this is too funny.
Ben
The City pays the taxes which allow Labour voters to survive without working.
The fact Lefties cannot see this isn't funny at all: it is frightening.
The City brought down a whole economy in 2008 which forced lots of voters of all hues to survive without working. .
Wasn't that Gordon, Ben?
At least Gordon is nowhere to be seen today and the City is still paying for Labour's feckless scroungers.
Yes such was his malevolence that Gordon ensured the same crisis spread to the US so lots of them ended up surviving without working.
Mr. G, you should eat some Red Leicester. Sweet dreams are made of cheese.
Really? And I was brought up to believe that eating cheese to close to bed-time is a source of nightmares (see PG Wodehouse and the dangers of a lobster au gratin supper).
Anyway, Red Leicester may be a fine cheese, but the cheese of the month if not the year must be Brighton Blue. Herself gave me some the other night and it is wonderful, a very creamy, tangy taste but mellow. Of course it doesn't come from Brighton but from those awfully nice and very clever people at the High Weald Dairy at Horsted Keynes. You can buy it and their other products on line here:
If you like good cheese you will love Brighton Blue.
P.S. Their sheep milk cheese is pretty damn good too. They are doing a cheese board selection offer for twenty quid, which must be worth a go.
P.P.S. You lot being a suspicious bunch I suppose I ought to say I have no interest in the producers, I am jut trying to pass on a discovery.
P.P.P.S. Morris Dancer, a Yorkshireman, advocating eating Leicester cheese is rather sad but ought to tell us something about the state of Wensleydale Cheese in these modern times.
Since we're talking of Scotland (!), I am more and more convinced that, contrary to what one might initially have expected, the SNP will get a big boost in support in Holyrood and Westminster elections, following a No in the referendum.
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*snip*
I think that's spot-on. The idea that the SNP would go in a rapid downward spiral after a "No" vote never made any sense whatsoever. It seemed to be based on the usual Westminster-village guff of "their credibility will be damaged" or something -- but most normal people don't think about politics in terms of "credibility" or whether a party or individual is "strong" or "weak", they think of it in terms of whose policies they like the most and who they trust most to act in their interests.
I do still expect Labour to be comfortably the largest Scottish party at the next general election simply because people will be so desperate to get rid of the Tories (probably with both Lab and SNP picking up a small increase on their 2010 scores thanks to the Lib Dem collapse), but I expect the SNP to easily win the next Scottish Parliament election, possibly with an overall majority. Even I would probably consider voting SNP for Holyrood.
The only possible worry for the SNP in the event of a "No" vote is not what the average voter will think, but potential internal infighting. Perhaps there'll be a hardline tendency within the SNP who'll say that the referendum failed because Salmond's offer was too timid (in terms of keeping the pound and other British things--"independence-lite") and will push to keep independence the top priority, while the SNP mainstream argue to put independence on the back-burner for a while and focus on other things. Or maybe the small group of rightwing SNP activists, who've been putting up with the leadership's leftwing policies up til now, will start getting restless.
Mr. Llama, I was cunningly using misheard lyrics to the Eurythmics' Sweet Dreams: Sweet dreams are made of cheese Who am I to diss a brie? I travel the world and the cheddar cheese Everybody's looking for stilton
In truth, I only really eat Red Leicester, and occasionally Edam.
Mr. G, you should eat some Red Leicester. Sweet dreams are made of cheese.
Really? And I was brought up to believe that eating cheese to close to bed-time is a source of nightmares (see PG Wodehouse and the dangers of a lobster au gratin supper).
Anyway, Red Leicester may be a fine cheese, but the cheese of the month if not the year must be Brighton Blue. Herself gave me some the other night and it is wonderful, a very creamy, tangy taste but mellow. Of course it doesn't come from Brighton but from those awfully nice and very clever people at the High Weald Dairy at Horsted Keynes. You can buy it and their other products on line here:
If you like good cheese you will love Brighton Blue.
P.S. Their sheep milk cheese is pretty damn good too. They are doing a cheese board selection offer for twenty quid, which must be worth a go.
P.P.S. You lot being a suspicious bunch I suppose I ought to say I have no interest in the producers, I am jut trying to pass on a discovery.
P.P.P.S. Morris Dancer, a Yorkshireman, advocating eating Leicester cheese is rather sad but ought to tell us something about the state of Wensleydale Cheese in these modern times.
If I were at all religiously inclined (which I'm not), I would include cheese along with wine, beer and whisky as proof that god loves us and wants us to be happy.
But the fact that SLAB with all its barely concealed corruption, incompetency and nonentities still polls so high is proof of some infernal interference with the affairs of man, so I guess there is a chance of divine intervention yet.
I cannot stress how damaging it is for the Tories to be seen to keep running out in defence of the City of London whenever some supposed crisis erupts.
The fact Tories cannot see this is too funny.
Ben
The City pays the taxes which allow Labour voters to survive without working.
The fact Lefties cannot see this isn't funny at all: it is frightening.
The City brought down a whole economy in 2008 which forced lots of voters of all hues to survive without working. .
Wasn't that Gordon, Ben?
At least Gordon is nowhere to be seen today and the City is still paying for Labour's feckless scroungers.
Yes such was his malevolence that Gordon ensured the same crisis spread to the US so lots of them ended up surviving without working.
Some might argue that an international arrest warrant for Gordon should be issued by InterPol and that he should be indicted to stand trial at the International Criminal Court in The Hague.
Whereas I have some sympathy with those espousing such a view, its weakness lies in having to prove criminal intent and a motive for gain.
Sadly all the evidence points to Gordon believing he was saving the world's economy rather than destroying it.
My advice to you Ben is to forsake the destructive self-deception of socialist ideals. All you need to do to cure yourself is to vote Tory.
Mr. Llama, I was cunningly using misheard lyrics to the Eurythmics' Sweet Dreams: Sweet dreams are made of cheese Who am I to diss a brie? I travel the world and the cheddar cheese Everybody's looking for stilton
In truth, I only really eat Red Leicester, and occasionally Edam.
You only eat Red Leicester and, occasionally, Edam. Dear God. I suppose the Eurythmics did have something straight in their song,
"Some of them want to abuse you Some of them want to be abused"
Putin says that the soldiers who are blockading Ukrainian military bases whilst wearing Russian uniforms with missing insignia, carrying Russian weapons, and using Russian vehicles are not in fact Russian, but some sort of Crimean militia defending their country from fascists.
Unfortunately for Vlad the BBC's Mark Lowen went and asked them who they are:
"But the BBC's Mark Lowen and his team managed to speak to one of the heavily armed soldiers blockading the military base in the town of Bakhchisarai, central Crimea, yesterday, who said he was a Russian soldier "usually based in Sevastopol"."
"Asked whether he thought it was right that Russian soldiers were barricading troops of the Ukrainian army in sovereign military bases of the Republic of Ukraine, the soldier said: "If you ask me as a person, then no it's not right. But I'm following orders.""
In 1983 the Tories were defending a notional majority of 3,634 votes in the new seat of Crewe & Nantwich but lost it by 290 to the sitting MP for Crewe Gwyneth Dunwoody. The Conservative candidate was Patrick Rock:
"If I were at all religiously inclined (which I'm not), I would include cheese along with wine, beer and whisky as proof that god loves us and wants us to be happy."
And fruit cake, Mr. DaemonBarber, don't forget fruitcake. In fact I'd go so far as to suggest that the combination of a slice of rich, moist fruitcake accompanied by a fine English cheese (preferably one of the crumbly ones) and a glass of whisky (or whiskey, if you prefer it) is as close to the proof of the existence of God as one can get.
Back Pistorius to be guilty, money back if he is not guilty ! Max £20.
Does Saffer law allow a not-proven verdict? Also what if the verdict is commuted [?] to manslaughter?
Conditions of bet:
Bets void should charge be changed from ‘premeditated murder’ before verdict. Bets void should mistrial be declared
Conditions of refund:
Bets void should charge be changed from ‘premeditated murder’ before verdict. Bets void should mistrial be declared. Bets will not be accepted on this market from permanent residents of South Africa. Applies to all bets placed before 11am, March 5th. Max Refund E/£20 per customer
Back Pistorius to be guilty, money back if he is not guilty ! Max £20.
Does Saffer law allow a not-proven verdict? Also what if the verdict is commuted [?] to manslaughter?
Conditions of bet:
Bets void should charge be changed from ‘premeditated murder’ before verdict. Bets void should mistrial be declared
Conditions of refund:
Bets void should charge be changed from ‘premeditated murder’ before verdict. Bets void should mistrial be declared. Bets will not be accepted on this market from permanent residents of South Africa. Applies to all bets placed before 11am, March 5th. Max Refund E/£20 per customer
This is a 2/7 bet to nothing for the sake of a PR stunt by Paddy. #Paddypower is going through the roof on Twitter. Their upside is the controversy and subsequent publicity.
"If I were at all religiously inclined (which I'm not), I would include cheese along with wine, beer and whisky as proof that god loves us and wants us to be happy."
And fruit cake, Mr. DaemonBarber, don't forget fruitcake. In fact I'd go so far as to suggest that the combination of a slice of rich, moist fruitcake accompanied by a fine English cheese (preferably one of the crumbly ones) and a glass of whisky (or whiskey, if you prefer it) is as close to the proof of the existence of God as one can get.
Aye, that or a good aged Stilton and Port combo on a winter's evening...
Whisky... I wonder what it was like when that first person took a look at his beer and said "this beer is good, but I think we can improve it... Get the kettle out..". However it played out, they should be sainted at least.
This is a 2/7 bet to nothing for the sake of a PR stunt by Paddy. #Paddypower is going through the roof on Twitter. Their upside is the controversy and subsequent publicity.
Not sure any organisation, let alone a publically listed bookmaker should be doing stunts or PR on this. Whilst I accept Paddypower like to be edgy and humerous (see their annual report regarding Miley Cyrus for instance) , this is just bad form imo
Putin says that the soldiers who are blockading Ukrainian military bases whilst wearing Russian uniforms with missing insignia, carrying Russian weapons, and using Russian vehicles are not in fact Russian, but some sort of Crimean militia defending their country from fascists.
Unfortunately for Vlad the BBC's Mark Lowen went and asked them who they are:
"But the BBC's Mark Lowen and his team managed to speak to one of the heavily armed soldiers blockading the military base in the town of Bakhchisarai, central Crimea, yesterday, who said he was a Russian soldier "usually based in Sevastopol"."
"Asked whether he thought it was right that Russian soldiers were barricading troops of the Ukrainian army in sovereign military bases of the Republic of Ukraine, the soldier said: "If you ask me as a person, then no it's not right. But I'm following orders.""
D'oh!
Putin's line is that the soldiers are a mix of Russian troops (mainly marines) lawfully deployed to the Sevastapol Fleet base and soldiers drawn from local Autonomous Republic of Crimea forces. Regardless of their origin, Putin argues that they are operating on the orders of the ARC government and through its military line of command.
Putin repeatedly states that Russian forces, when and if deployed on ARC and/or Ukrainian territory, are there on an "humanitarian mission".
The lack of insignia identifying the origin and command line of the forces is a measure taken to de-escalate tension and assert the apolitical nature of their humanitarian purpose.
Mr. Llama, to clarify: those are the only cheese I eat. I do eat other food.
Yes I gathered that , Mr. D., So I stand by my comment, if the only cheeses you eat are Red Leicester and Edam,
"Some of them want to abuse you Some of them want to be abused"
Anyway, A short while ago I typed out a long email to you explaining why you should try the new Thief game. Then I hit the wrong button and lost the lot. Rather than starting from scratch and as you are probably going to read this can I say buy and play the new Thief game, a snip for £27 on steam, and it is humungous fun.
This is a 2/7 bet to nothing for the sake of a PR stunt by Paddy. #Paddypower is going through the roof on Twitter. Their upside is the controversy and subsequent publicity.
Not sure any organisation, let alone a publically listed bookmaker should be doing stunts or PR on this. Whilst I accept Paddypower like to be edgy and humerous (see their annual report regarding Miley Cyrus for instance) , this is just bad form imo
They can pull back and say they 'might have got it wrong' though - And then everyone says "Paddy being Paddy"
And there is quite a big horse racing event coming up that attracts a fair few quid in wagers...
If you wanted to get some publicity as a bookie now is the time to do it.
This is a 2/7 bet to nothing for the sake of a PR stunt by Paddy. #Paddypower is going through the roof on Twitter. Their upside is the controversy and subsequent publicity.
Not sure any organisation, let alone a publically listed bookmaker should be doing stunts or PR on this. Whilst I accept Paddypower like to be edgy and humerous (see their annual report regarding Miley Cyrus for instance) , this is just bad form imo
They can pull back and say they 'might have got it wrong' though - And then everyone says "Paddy being Paddy"
And there is quite a big horse racing event coming up that attracts a fair few quid in wagers...
If you wanted to get some publicity as a bookie now is the time to do it.
Judging by their last Cheltenham book I would have thought PP would want to avoid taking any bets on it. How many Irish winners were they?
And whilst 42% YeS loses the referendum, 42% for the SNP does very well at Westminster.
More than double 2010's result, in fact, and presumably in effect a swap of that year's results between SNP and Labour.
Does anyone else find rather peculiar the idea that an electorate would vote for a secessionist party, but against secession? What does it achieve?
The idea that the SNP view of the world could go from 20% support in 2010 (when nobody was scrutinising what their big idea actually entailed) to more than 50% 4 years later (after such scrutiny has taken place) is clearly so far-fetched as not to be worth thinking about. The interesting thing is how far they can stretch it from 20%, my best guess being low 30s.
I know you are really dense, so in simple terms, it is about Scotland not the SNP. Back under your rock.
Mr. Llama, alas, cruel poverty oppresses me. Besides, I'm spending a reasonable amount of time writing now, and don't mind the relative lack of distraction.
I need to tighten up and then send off my current short story, then work on another. In addition, there's Kingdom Asunder and Sir Edric's Treasure (I'm hoping the new start to the latter will work. It seems to be so far).
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In Scotland it's going to be a NO.
In the GE it's going to be PM Redward with a decent majority.
However ruling does not apply in Scotland.
http://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/mar/03/itv-channel-5-to-show-ukip-election-broadcasts
Whiskeys from nations other than Scotland are indeed (usually) spelt with an e!!!
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2014/03/ten-handy-phrases-for-bluffing-your-way-through-the-ukraine-crisis/
I think we've ticked most of these off on pb during the last few days (I may even have used one or two of them myself).
Fair point sir. Why are ComRes dribbling out the raw data though - they must know what Mike will do with it! Silly from them.
I hope my Battersea bet is safe
Nah - lets be serious for a minute. There are still cards to play and a GE campaign to go.
It had UKIP on 14 last month.
Jack always publishes the headline figures long before the internals.
He steals Pork's acorns.
Still as it seems some new posters need all the practise they can get in analysing data correctly, maybe OGH is treating this dry run as a set of stabilisers... one day they might even have the confidence to talk about betting
Same sum for last night's Yougov is 93.
6% more to minor parties ??!?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scotland/10674124/Independence-support-drops-after-George-Osbornes-Scottish-pound-warning.html
"The findings were bad news for Mr Salmond, who will today use a major speech in London to argue that the Chancellor’s speech on sterling was a major strategic error as it encapsulates Westminster’s “diktats from on high” to Scotland."
1. On the role of the EU
The European Union “only facilitated the conflict in Ukraine” when it announced that “the Association Agreement is incompatible with the Customs Union agreement between Kiev and Moscow”
2. On the role of NATO
“this alliance does not have a political purpose, and its actions do not help to build trust, but on the contrary, create more and more concerns”. Measures to solve the Ukrainian crisis “should be solely diplomatic”
Schroeder's criticisms of these two trans-national organisations have been widely aired in the western press but this is an early example of establishment political figures stating similar conclusions in public.
The US, UK and EU simply pouring money and 'assistance' into Kiev without first allowing a stable geo-political to establish is a waste of limited resources and a squandering of diplomatic capital.
Similarly, any intent to exclude Russia from economic support plans for The Ukraine, as punishment for Putin's actions, will simply frustrate the implementation of such plans and aggravate the wider threats of the overall crisis.
http://www.betfair.com/exchange/politics/market?id=1.101416490
I'd b slightly worried if I was in his position but he's a far more experienced gambler than I so he's probably not.
Also Hills are on the wrong side of the arb with their 1-4 on No. Which by implication is fantastic value.
The remainder is basically a protest vote distributed more or less equally among the three minor parties, two of which seem to think they could make a better fist than Labour of its anti-business, anti-enterprise, anti-jobs, anti-prosperity agenda.
Oh dear, at least Antifrank and Mark Senior took me on for evens at 40%. I'll certainly offer that.
My thinking is that the referendum is a battle of Head vs Heart, and that Salmond will win on the latter but comprehensively lose on the former. So I anticipate that it will be a decisive but nonetheless reluctant No, leaving voters favourably disposed towards the SNP and keen to give them a consolation prize, which can be rationalised as supporting the party which 'stood up for Scotland' even if, when push comes to shove, Scots overwhelmingly decide that independence is a leap too far into the dark.
In addition, Labour, as the SNP's main rivals in Scotland, don't seem to be providing any kind of emotional or strategic leadership in the referendum debate; it's hard to see Scottish attitudes towards Labour being enhanced by the campaign, or by their tie-up with Osborne and the Conservatives in Westminster in dissing Scottish dreams. Given that the Tories are thinly supported in Scotland, and the Scottish LibDems seem to be heading for an electoral car-crash, then, in this zero-sum game, the beneficiaries must be the SNP.
I'm therefore expecting a net and possibly quite large swing towards the SNP in the 2015 GE. However, in terms of seats, there may not be a big change, since the majorities which the SNP will be trying to overturn in its top targets are all higher than 10% and mostly higher than 20%. It would be interesting to look at this in more detail, but I do think Shadsy's 4/5 on SNP getting over 6.5 seats is worth a punt.
The fact Tories cannot see this is too funny.
http://standpointmag.co.uk/features-march-14-even-a-fading-nigel-farage-can-deny-david-cameron-victory-iain-martin-ukip
"Even a fading Nigel Farage can deny Cameron victory"
Amusingly, Scotland is a country in which most of its parties are minor parties, which seems somehow apt.
'Support for Scottish independence has dropped since George Osborne rejected a currency union, according to an opinion poll published as Alex Salmond today calls the Chancellor’s intervention a “monumental error”.'
Oh dear. He really is Comical Alex, isn't he?
The City pays the taxes which allow Labour voters to survive without working.
The fact Lefties cannot see this isn't funny at all: it is frightening.
http://www.scotsman.com/news/hugh-reilly-labour-has-lost-its-way-1-3327113
There are also other factors which spring to mind as pointing that way but I won't bother you with them as I have work to do!
One caveat: other beneficiaries might be UKIP, Greens, Trots or the Monster Raving mob, to some extent. Though I would be very surprised to see anyone other than the Greens, and perhaps a revived Sheridan-style leftie party, pick up more than the odd list seat at Holyrood.
Yes vote >= 40% means I pay you; and hence
Yes vote <40% means you pay me
I would have £20 with you on that too. Depends how much of it you want obviously, you may have enough.
I would think I could better off a bookie but they're all blocked from the office I'm in and when I get home I'm always too busy to look...
I can see it now:
Paxo/O' Neill : "You've lost Mr Salmond" "61 to 39"
Salmond turns to TV camera, a wry smile on his face "The important thing is that the Scottish people have decided their own fate. Now obviously we'd have preferred to have won but sometimes things don't work out that way"
...
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http://www.politicsresources.net/area/uk/ge83/i06.htm
Does anyone else find rather peculiar the idea that an electorate would vote for a secessionist party, but against secession? What does it achieve?
The idea that the SNP view of the world could go from 20% support in 2010 (when nobody was scrutinising what their big idea actually entailed) to more than 50% 4 years later (after such scrutiny has taken place) is clearly so far-fetched as not to be worth thinking about. The interesting thing is how far they can stretch it from 20%, my best guess being low 30s.
F1 pre-season piece is here:
http://enormo-haddock.blogspot.co.uk/2014/03/f1-2014-second-and-third-tests.html
A discussion about spread betting has begun in the comments. I don't do that (too rich for my blood), but it might be of interest to some here, so I thought I'd flag it up.
I was surprised Grosjean and Maldonado has identical numbers.
I personally think it might well be around 40% actually, I'll just stick to our Yes/No bet.
At least Gordon is nowhere to be seen today and the City is still paying for Labour's feckless scroungers.
Hasn't force always been a 'last resort' ?
He is a real old world charmer, Pulpstar.
. That, together with making sure devomax (etc.) happen, is why that pattern of votes could very well happen. It's already showing in polling, if rather shakily.
Anyway, Red Leicester may be a fine cheese, but the cheese of the month if not the year must be Brighton Blue. Herself gave me some the other night and it is wonderful, a very creamy, tangy taste but mellow. Of course it doesn't come from Brighton but from those awfully nice and very clever people at the High Weald Dairy at Horsted Keynes. You can buy it and their other products on line here:
http://www.highwealddairy.co.uk/index.php?webpage=product_detail.php&product_id=172755&cID=12203
If you like good cheese you will love Brighton Blue.
P.S. Their sheep milk cheese is pretty damn good too. They are doing a cheese board selection offer for twenty quid, which must be worth a go.
P.P.S. You lot being a suspicious bunch I suppose I ought to say I have no interest in the producers, I am jut trying to pass on a discovery.
P.P.P.S. Morris Dancer, a Yorkshireman, advocating eating Leicester cheese is rather sad but ought to tell us something about the state of Wensleydale Cheese in these modern times.
I do still expect Labour to be comfortably the largest Scottish party at the next general election simply because people will be so desperate to get rid of the Tories (probably with both Lab and SNP picking up a small increase on their 2010 scores thanks to the Lib Dem collapse), but I expect the SNP to easily win the next Scottish Parliament election, possibly with an overall majority. Even I would probably consider voting SNP for Holyrood.
The only possible worry for the SNP in the event of a "No" vote is not what the average voter will think, but potential internal infighting. Perhaps there'll be a hardline tendency within the SNP who'll say that the referendum failed because Salmond's offer was too timid (in terms of keeping the pound and other British things--"independence-lite") and will push to keep independence the top priority, while the SNP mainstream argue to put independence on the back-burner for a while and focus on other things. Or maybe the small group of rightwing SNP activists, who've been putting up with the leadership's leftwing policies up til now, will start getting restless.
http://www.paddypower.com/bet/novelty-betting/current-affairs/oscar-pistorius?AFF_ID=60065
Back Pistorius to be guilty, money back if he is not guilty ! Max £20.
Sweet dreams are made of cheese
Who am I to diss a brie?
I travel the world and the cheddar cheese
Everybody's looking for stilton
In truth, I only really eat Red Leicester, and occasionally Edam.
But the fact that SLAB with all its barely concealed corruption, incompetency and nonentities still polls so high is proof of some infernal interference with the affairs of man, so I guess there is a chance of divine intervention yet.
Whereas I have some sympathy with those espousing such a view, its weakness lies in having to prove criminal intent and a motive for gain.
Sadly all the evidence points to Gordon believing he was saving the world's economy rather than destroying it.
My advice to you Ben is to forsake the destructive self-deception of socialist ideals. All you need to do to cure yourself is to vote Tory.
"Some of them want to abuse you
Some of them want to be abused"
If socialism had worked one single time in one single place you could understand why people support it.
As it is, even the left's poster boy of the moment, Venezuela, is a basket case.
Putin says that the soldiers who are blockading Ukrainian military bases whilst wearing Russian uniforms with missing insignia, carrying Russian weapons, and using Russian vehicles are not in fact Russian, but some sort of Crimean militia defending their country from fascists.
Unfortunately for Vlad the BBC's Mark Lowen went and asked them who they are:
"But the BBC's Mark Lowen and his team managed to speak to one of the heavily armed soldiers blockading the military base in the town of Bakhchisarai, central Crimea, yesterday, who said he was a Russian soldier "usually based in Sevastopol"."
"Asked whether he thought it was right that Russian soldiers were barricading troops of the Ukrainian army in sovereign military bases of the Republic of Ukraine, the soldier said: "If you ask me as a person, then no it's not right. But I'm following orders.""
D'oh!
I remember the extraordinary scenes afterwards where he refused to give an interview and was whisked away in a car after the count...
He must be one of but a few individuals who have lost two seats in the space of 12 months!
Patrick Gordon-Walker was another...
And fruit cake, Mr. DaemonBarber, don't forget fruitcake. In fact I'd go so far as to suggest that the combination of a slice of rich, moist fruitcake accompanied by a fine English cheese (preferably one of the crumbly ones) and a glass of whisky (or whiskey, if you prefer it) is as close to the proof of the existence of God as one can get.
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Whisky... I wonder what it was like when that first person took a look at his beer and said "this beer is good, but I think we can improve it... Get the kettle out..". However it played out, they should be sainted at least.
Putin repeatedly states that Russian forces, when and if deployed on ARC and/or Ukrainian territory, are there on an "humanitarian mission".
The lack of insignia identifying the origin and command line of the forces is a measure taken to de-escalate tension and assert the apolitical nature of their humanitarian purpose.
Now argue with that glw!
@Antifrank will be able to recommend some cracking Asian restaurants down here in our nation's fair capital
"Some of them want to abuse you
Some of them want to be abused"
Anyway, A short while ago I typed out a long email to you explaining why you should try the new Thief game. Then I hit the wrong button and lost the lot. Rather than starting from scratch and as you are probably going to read this can I say buy and play the new Thief game, a snip for £27 on steam, and it is humungous fun.
And there is quite a big horse racing event coming up that attracts a fair few quid in wagers...
If you wanted to get some publicity as a bookie now is the time to do it.
I need to tighten up and then send off my current short story, then work on another. In addition, there's Kingdom Asunder and Sir Edric's Treasure (I'm hoping the new start to the latter will work. It seems to be so far).