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By the pricking of my thumbs, something wicked this way comes – politicalbetting.com

SystemSystem Posts: 11,703
edited April 25 in General
By the pricking of my thumbs, something wicked this way comes – politicalbetting.com

Scottish Green source said: "Everyone in that chamber is now more concerned with fucking with the SNP than passing good law. "The idea that they can just pivot back to how they governed as a minority gov is just nonsense and will become clear as day immediately" https://t.co/87n5Ukmula

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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,797
    edited April 25
    You quoted the Scottish Play.
    In a header, too.

    Things will now get very nasty.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,583
    Nigelb said:

    You quoted the Scottish Play.

    Phew, I was worried somebody would miss my Shakespearean reference.
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,582
    More like this....


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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,797
    Let's hope you haven't jinxed this afternoon's other hearing.

    How to Know If the Supreme Court Is in the Tank for Trump
    Trump’s bid for immunity from prosecution in Washington is an absurd farce. Will the court’s conservatives bail him out?
    https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/04/24/trumps-crazy-argument-for-immunity-heads-to-the-high-court-00153954
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,910
    Ferrets in a sack...
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,583
    Nigelb said:

    Let's hope you haven't jinxed this afternoon's other hearing.

    How to Know If the Supreme Court Is in the Tank for Trump
    Trump’s bid for immunity from prosecution in Washington is an absurd farce. Will the court’s conservatives bail him out?
    https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/04/24/trumps-crazy-argument-for-immunity-heads-to-the-high-court-00153954

    I fear they will.

    I suspect they will say only the House can charge the President with crimes and only the Senate can convict and the courts/legal systems cannot.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,787
    GIN1138 said:

    Ferrets in a sack...

    More like weasels....
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,067
    FPT
    numbertwelve said:

    Personally I don’t understand how any of the opposition parties in Holyrood can justify not voting for the motion of no confidence but I accept that they very well may not.

    MONEY
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,787
    It's an odd thought that today's events in Scotland have been triggered by the reaction to the Cass report, and that that was commissioned by Sajid Javid, who now enters Scottish history as one of the most surprisingly long-distance (by time and place) inadvertent players.

    https://x.com/LucyHunterB/status/1783424369722626176
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,787
    I, for one, now call upon the Scottish Green Party to stop giving puberty blockers to Ross Greer MSP. That era is now over and Ross should be granted the right to one day grow into a man.

    https://x.com/Jebadoo2/status/1783446692576006614
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,400
    Nigelb said:

    You quoted the Scottish Play.
    In a header, too.

    Things will now get very nasty.

    Toil and trouble...
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,511
    Can I just thank the SNP for being amusingly shit for about two years now. Its the consistency which impresses, and its very welcome in dark times
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,511
    CarlottaVance said:

    I, for one, now call upon the Scottish Green Party to stop giving puberty blockers to Ross Greer MSP. That era is now over and Ross should be granted the right to one day grow into a man.

    https://x.com/Jebadoo2/status/1783446692576006614

    Hahahaha

    That’s very good
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,787
    BREAKING: Labour has said it will back a Tory no confidence motion in First Minister Humza Yousaf. The Scottish Greens say they will meet later to discuss their position.

    https://x.com/HolyroodDaily/status/1783467368145973747
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 33,167
    @Iainmackay8

    Check out the Greens but even better, check out the sign language guy 😆😆😅😅


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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 33,167
    CarlottaVance said:

    I, for one, now call upon the Scottish Green Party to stop giving puberty blockers to Ross Greer MSP. That era is now over and Ross should be granted the right to one day grow into a man.

    https://x.com/Jebadoo2/status/1783446692576006614

    https://x.com/Fyrishsunset/status/1783462861416595909
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,976
    Anybody remember 1979, when the Scottish MPs voted against the Callaghan government?
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,067
    Scott_xP said:

    @Iainmackay8

    Check out the Greens but even better, check out the sign language guy 😆😆😅😅


    what a bunch
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 33,167
    @euanmccolm

    how, having accused him of betraying future generations, can the Scottish Greens avoid backing a motion of no confidence in Humza Yousaf?
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,787
    edited April 25
    Now all we need is another arrest in Operation Branchform....(probe into SNP motorhomes finances)
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,067
    CarlottaVance said:

    BREAKING: Labour has said it will back a Tory no confidence motion in First Minister Humza Yousaf. The Scottish Greens say they will meet later to discuss their position.

    https://x.com/HolyroodDaily/status/1783467368145973747

    It will be brilliant if Ash Regan has the casting vote, what poetic justice that would be.
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,546
    The two aims do not seem mutually excusive.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,797
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Nigelb said:

    You quoted the Scottish Play.

    Phew, I was worried somebody would miss my Shakespearean reference.
    Neither toil nor trouble.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,787
    Watch the video....

    An angry @patrickharvie asks Humza Yousaf: "Who does the First Minister think he has pleased most today? Is it Douglas Ross, Fergus Ewing or Alex Salmond?" #FMQs

    https://x.com/HolyroodDaily/status/1783460485649564144
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    isamisam Posts: 41,002
    GB News regular viewers intend to vote

    Labour 39
    Conservatives 28
    Reform 20

    https://x.com/sundersays/status/1783458736192803291?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
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    DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 24,539
    viewcode said:

    Anybody remember 1979, when the Scottish MPs voted against the Callaghan government?

    Tartan Tories. Good play btw.
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    nico679nico679 Posts: 5,009
    isam said:

    GB News regular viewers intend to vote

    Labour 39
    Conservatives 28
    Reform 20

    https://x.com/sundersays/status/1783458736192803291?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    That’s a big surprise .
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,797
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Nigelb said:

    Let's hope you haven't jinxed this afternoon's other hearing.

    How to Know If the Supreme Court Is in the Tank for Trump
    Trump’s bid for immunity from prosecution in Washington is an absurd farce. Will the court’s conservatives bail him out?
    https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/04/24/trumps-crazy-argument-for-immunity-heads-to-the-high-court-00153954

    I fear they will.

    I suspect they will say only the House can charge the President with crimes and only the Senate can convict and the courts/legal systems cannot.
    Here's a question Alito should be asked today:

    If a female President got an abortion during her term, could Idaho arrest her?
    https://twitter.com/emptywheel/status/1783477095030472930
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    DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 24,539
    Tories now ‘an English nationalist party’ blasts David Cameron’s former aide

    David Cameron’s former pollster Lord Cooper tells Matt Chorley the Conservative Party has “lost entirely its unifying purpose and dissolved into unruly factions”.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVhXX_k19sI (12 minutes)
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    nico679nico679 Posts: 5,009
    Nigelb said:

    Let's hope you haven't jinxed this afternoon's other hearing.

    How to Know If the Supreme Court Is in the Tank for Trump
    Trump’s bid for immunity from prosecution in Washington is an absurd farce. Will the court’s conservatives bail him out?
    https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/04/24/trumps-crazy-argument-for-immunity-heads-to-the-high-court-00153954

    The SC conservatives and GOP must remember that a ruling in favour of Trump could in future aid a Dem President . Polling shows that there’s a strong majority in favour of a President not having immunity and that includes a lot of GOP and Ind voters .
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,787
    The fact that Humza Yousaf appears not to have anticipated that the Greens might back a vote of no confidence in him - that he blithely assumed they would support him despite him terminating the BHA - is yet more ammunition for his critics, in and out of the SNP

    https://x.com/HTScotPol/status/1783468839134458120
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,546
    nico679 said:

    isam said:

    GB News regular viewers intend to vote

    Labour 39
    Conservatives 28
    Reform 20

    https://x.com/sundersays/status/1783458736192803291?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    That’s a big surprise .
    Very peculiar.
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 33,167
    @John_Stepek

    We're heading for a July 4th UK election, and Rishi Sunak won't be leading the Tories into it - at least, that's the view of @MarketBlondes . Helen Thomas spells out her punchy but highly plausible forecast to @MerrynSW on this week's must-listen podcast.
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,989
    It's a lovely 6 degrees in Sheffield atm.
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    LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 15,424
    edited April 25
    What happens if the vote of no confidence is tied? Does that mean the vote fails and Humza Yousaf survives?
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    WaterfallWaterfall Posts: 96
    Scott_xP said:

    @John_Stepek

    We're heading for a July 4th UK election, and Rishi Sunak won't be leading the Tories into it - at least, that's the view of @MarketBlondes . Helen Thomas spells out her punchy but highly plausible forecast to @MerrynSW on this week's must-listen podcast.

    Thats american independence day
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,387
    CarlottaVance said:

    BREAKING: Labour has said it will back a Tory no confidence motion in First Minister Humza Yousaf. The Scottish Greens say they will meet later to discuss their position.

    https://x.com/HolyroodDaily/status/1783467368145973747

    They'll abstain. They are completely unemployable and on a good wage which is going to end when the election comes. Abstention is enough to protect the government.

    Another key player here is Ash Regan. According to WingsoverScotland she is minded to vote with the SNP giving them 64 votes (assuming Nicola turns up today). Campbell has excellent sources in Alba so that should be taken seriously. That should be enough for a tie which might be enough for the government to survive.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,787
    FFS! I thought @KateOsborneMP couldn’t get any worse but she just has. Accusing @joannacherry of hate speech for standing up for lesbians was a despicable move.

    ******************************

    She was told to withdraw this comment by the Deputy Speaker and had to do so. I think I embarrassed her and her wealthy chums who have thrown lesbian rights under the bus of their ambitions

    https://x.com/joannaccherry/status/1783478386255409482
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    WaterfallWaterfall Posts: 96
    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Tories now ‘an English nationalist party’ blasts David Cameron’s former aide

    David Cameron’s former pollster Lord Cooper tells Matt Chorley the Conservative Party has “lost entirely its unifying purpose and dissolved into unruly factions”.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVhXX_k19sI (12 minutes)

    Mmm David Cameron the man who divided Britain more than ever with his stupid Brexit referendum.
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,796
    Andy_JS said:

    It's a lovely 6 degrees in Sheffield atm.

    Really needed that post to come from BJO so that I could pop in a "Starmer fans please explain".
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,787
    DavidL said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    BREAKING: Labour has said it will back a Tory no confidence motion in First Minister Humza Yousaf. The Scottish Greens say they will meet later to discuss their position.

    https://x.com/HolyroodDaily/status/1783467368145973747

    (assuming Nicola turns up today).
    If only she was otherwise detained occupied...

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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,796
    Luckyguy1983 said:

    nico679 said:

    isam said:

    GB News regular viewers intend to vote

    Labour 39
    Conservatives 28
    Reform 20

    https://x.com/sundersays/status/1783458736192803291?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    That’s a big surprise .
    Very peculiar.
    More journos watch GB News than 'real' people, maybe?
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,989
    viewcode said:

    Anybody remember 1979, when the Scottish MPs voted against the Callaghan government?

    Not directly.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,136
    https://x.com/therecount/status/1783186070558933411

    Former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi suggests some pro-Palestinian protests, especially those against President Biden, have “a Russian tinge to it.”
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    WaterfallWaterfall Posts: 96
    For those who say the us economy is doing well.

    BREAKING: US Q1 2024 GDP comes in at 1.6%, BELOW expectations of 2.5%.

    If 1.6% is the final reading, it will end 6 STRAIGHT quarters of 2%+ growth.

    However, we still have not had 2 consecutive quarters with declining GDP since Q2 2022.

    Is the economy beginning to weaken?
    1:31 PM · Apr 25, 2024
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    https://x.com/KobeissiLetter/status/1783473844226842877
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,787
    Yeah, but. Harry Truman had a sign on his desk.....

    I almost feel sorry for Humza Yousaf. The chaos within the SNP and across the Scottish govt is down to one person. Impossible climate targets, gender identity policies, empty messaging instead of delivery, Bute House Ag’ment…This is all down to Nicola Sturgeon. Looking forward to her ‘deeply personal’ memoir



    https://x.com/DalgetySusan/status/1783481459132522765
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,387
    DavidL said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    BREAKING: Labour has said it will back a Tory no confidence motion in First Minister Humza Yousaf. The Scottish Greens say they will meet later to discuss their position.

    https://x.com/HolyroodDaily/status/1783467368145973747

    They'll abstain. They are completely unemployable and on a good wage which is going to end when the election comes. Abstention is enough to protect the government.

    Another key player here is Ash Regan. According to WingsoverScotland she is minded to vote with the SNP giving them 64 votes (assuming Nicola turns up today). Campbell has excellent sources in Alba so that should be taken seriously. That should be enough for a tie which might be enough for the government to survive.
    According to the BBC the vote is not today but next week so, unless she were in custody, Nicola is likely to turn up after all.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,787
    Waterfall said:

    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Tories now ‘an English nationalist party’ blasts David Cameron’s former aide

    David Cameron’s former pollster Lord Cooper tells Matt Chorley the Conservative Party has “lost entirely its unifying purpose and dissolved into unruly factions”.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVhXX_k19sI (12 minutes)

    Mmm David Cameron the man who divided Britain more than ever with his stupid Brexit referendum.
    It was only "stupid" because he thought he wouldn't win a majority and the Lib dems would stop him holding it.
    Alea iacta est
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,001
    edited April 25
    Waterfall said:

    For those who say the us economy is doing well.

    BREAKING: US Q1 2024 GDP comes in at 1.6%, BELOW expectations of 2.5%.

    If 1.6% is the final reading, it will end 6 STRAIGHT quarters of 2%+ growth.

    However, we still have not had 2 consecutive quarters with declining GDP since Q2 2022.

    Is the economy beginning to weaken?
    1:31 PM · Apr 25, 2024
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    67.6K
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    https://x.com/KobeissiLetter/status/1783473844226842877

    That's a big miss in the expectations ! Though don't the US always annualise their figures ?

    I assume if this was the UK those figures would be reported as 0.4% growth against an expectation of 0.6%..
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,787
    Andy_JS said:

    viewcode said:

    Anybody remember 1979, when the Scottish MPs voted against the Callaghan government?

    Not directly.
    Oh I do! Mrs Thatcher & 17 years of Tory government (and another 13 years of continuity Tory government, depending on your views - three decades - not bad!)
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    WaterfallWaterfall Posts: 96
    Pulpstar said:

    Waterfall said:

    For those who say the us economy is doing well.

    BREAKING: US Q1 2024 GDP comes in at 1.6%, BELOW expectations of 2.5%.

    If 1.6% is the final reading, it will end 6 STRAIGHT quarters of 2%+ growth.

    However, we still have not had 2 consecutive quarters with declining GDP since Q2 2022.

    Is the economy beginning to weaken?
    1:31 PM · Apr 25, 2024
    ·
    67.6K
    Views

    https://x.com/KobeissiLetter/status/1783473844226842877

    That's a big miss in the expectations ! Though don't the US always annualise their figures ?

    I assume if this was the UK those figures would be reported as 0.4% growth against an expectation of 0.6%..
    Yes they annualise the figures but i think their way emphasises the slowdown more.
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    carnforthcarnforth Posts: 3,238
    CarlottaVance said:

    Yeah, but. Harry Truman had a sign on his desk.....

    I almost feel sorry for Humza Yousaf. The chaos within the SNP and across the Scottish govt is down to one person. Impossible climate targets, gender identity policies, empty messaging instead of delivery, Bute House Ag’ment…This is all down to Nicola Sturgeon. Looking forward to her ‘deeply personal’ memoir



    https://x.com/DalgetySusan/status/1783481459132522765

    Perhaps the motorhome is her writing retreat, like Cameron's Shepherd hut.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,001
    Waterfall said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Waterfall said:

    For those who say the us economy is doing well.

    BREAKING: US Q1 2024 GDP comes in at 1.6%, BELOW expectations of 2.5%.

    If 1.6% is the final reading, it will end 6 STRAIGHT quarters of 2%+ growth.

    However, we still have not had 2 consecutive quarters with declining GDP since Q2 2022.

    Is the economy beginning to weaken?
    1:31 PM · Apr 25, 2024
    ·
    67.6K
    Views

    https://x.com/KobeissiLetter/status/1783473844226842877

    That's a big miss in the expectations ! Though don't the US always annualise their figures ?

    I assume if this was the UK those figures would be reported as 0.4% growth against an expectation of 0.6%..
    Yes they annualise the figures but i think their way emphasises the slowdown more.
    Probably not low enough for old time hawk Powell to loosen the screws.
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 33,167
    CarlottaVance said:

    Yeah, but. Harry Truman had a sign on his desk.....

    I almost feel sorry for Humza Yousaf. The chaos within the SNP and across the Scottish govt is down to one person. Impossible climate targets, gender identity policies, empty messaging instead of delivery, Bute House Ag’ment…This is all down to Nicola Sturgeon. Looking forward to her ‘deeply personal’ memoir



    https://x.com/DalgetySusan/status/1783481459132522765

    @BrianSpanner1

    Sturgeon must have to destroy a chapter of her book at least once a week.

    It might end up as 600 pages about the baby box.
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    bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 7,831
    On that Savanta London poll, there was a change in methodology which accounts for most of the Lab->Con swing: https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1783472938500419792
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    MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 25,320
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    CarlottaVance said:

    Andy_JS said:

    viewcode said:

    Anybody remember 1979, when the Scottish MPs voted against the Callaghan government?

    Not directly.
    Oh I do! Mrs Thatcher & 17 years of Tory government (and another 13 years of continuity Tory government, depending on your views - three decades - not bad!)
    You stop at 2010. Not keen on the last 14 years of socialist chaos?
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 33,167
    @nicolathorp_

    Laurence Fox told to pay £180,000 in libel damages
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    AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 20,134
    @leon there’s a reply to you about Bordeaux on previous thread. Ignore my mini break term - no idea which recess of my brain that came from. Substitute for weekend, short break, anything.
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    TazTaz Posts: 11,300
    Scott_xP said:

    @Iainmackay8

    Check out the Greens but even better, check out the sign language guy 😆😆😅😅


    I wonder what the collective noun is for a group of Green MSP's ?
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    SelebianSelebian Posts: 7,489
    I'm still looking for the promised subtle Shakespeare reference...
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    RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 27,337
    So I'm watching the replay of First Minister's Questions earlier. Blimey. Prickly bastard isn't he, old Yousless?
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 33,167
    Taz said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @Iainmackay8

    Check out the Greens but even better, check out the sign language guy 😆😆😅😅


    I wonder what the collective noun is for a group of Green MSP's ?
    A midden
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    TazTaz Posts: 11,300
    Scott_xP said:

    @nicolathorp_

    Laurence Fox told to pay £180,000 in libel damages

    Seems disproportionate, however FAFO Mr Fox, FAFO.
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 33,167
    @Dennynews

    For clarity, the motion of no confidence has been brought against the First Minister, not his Government.

    That's important as if he loses a personal motion of no confidence, it's up to the FM how he responds. It does not trigger his automatic dismissal.


    Yousless could cling on in defeat :)
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    carnforthcarnforth Posts: 3,238
    Taz said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @Iainmackay8

    Check out the Greens but even better, check out the sign language guy 😆😆😅😅


    I wonder what the collective noun is for a group of Green MSP's ?
    A twerp.
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    logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,727
    Waterfall said:

    For those who say the us economy is doing well.

    BREAKING: US Q1 2024 GDP comes in at 1.6%, BELOW expectations of 2.5%.

    If 1.6% is the final reading, it will end 6 STRAIGHT quarters of 2%+ growth.

    However, we still have not had 2 consecutive quarters with declining GDP since Q2 2022.

    Is the economy beginning to weaken?
    1:31 PM · Apr 25, 2024
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    67.6K
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    https://x.com/KobeissiLetter/status/1783473844226842877

    I'm no economist, but is this good news for Biden?
    Previously it was said the economy was too strong to allow rate cuts.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,385
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Nigelb said:

    You quoted the Scottish Play.

    Phew, I was worried somebody would miss my Shakespearean reference.
    Which is?
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,797
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    Taz said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @Iainmackay8

    Check out the Greens but even better, check out the sign language guy 😆😆😅😅


    I wonder what the collective noun is for a group of Green MSP's ?
    A bunch of Greens, obvs.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,385
    Scott_xP said:

    @Dennynews

    For clarity, the motion of no confidence has been brought against the First Minister, not his Government.

    That's important as if he loses a personal motion of no confidence, it's up to the FM how he responds. It does not trigger his automatic dismissal.


    Yousless could cling on in defeat :)

    I said this morning the last thing the SNP need now is an election.

    Bu truthfully I can't imagine the Scottish Tories are any keener on the idea. Which may explain why they"re not going for the jugular...
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,385
    Selebian said:

    I'm still looking for the promised subtle Shakespeare reference...

    It might be dun. Can TSE do it?
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    LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 15,424
    DavidL said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    BREAKING: Labour has said it will back a Tory no confidence motion in First Minister Humza Yousaf. The Scottish Greens say they will meet later to discuss their position.

    https://x.com/HolyroodDaily/status/1783467368145973747

    They'll abstain. They are completely unemployable and on a good wage which is going to end when the election comes. Abstention is enough to protect the government.

    Another key player here is Ash Regan. According to WingsoverScotland she is minded to vote with the SNP giving them 64 votes (assuming Nicola turns up today). Campbell has excellent sources in Alba so that should be taken seriously. That should be enough for a tie which might be enough for the government to survive.
    The Greens are polling quite well for Holyrood elections. They would probably do a lot better at any election than the SNP would.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,797
    ydoethur said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Nigelb said:

    You quoted the Scottish Play.

    Phew, I was worried somebody would miss my Shakespearean reference.
    Which is?
    I think his pun on "this Scottish play" should be given marks for effort, at least.
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,261
    Nigelb said:

    ydoethur said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Nigelb said:

    You quoted the Scottish Play.

    Phew, I was worried somebody would miss my Shakespearean reference.
    Which is?
    I think his pun on "this Scottish play" should be given marks for effort, at least.
    That's an E then?
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,797
    ydoethur said:

    Selebian said:

    I'm still looking for the promised subtle Shakespeare reference...

    It might be dun. Can TSE do it?
    Dun's inane.
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,261
    LostPassword said:

    DavidL said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    BREAKING: Labour has said it will back a Tory no confidence motion in First Minister Humza Yousaf. The Scottish Greens say they will meet later to discuss their position.

    https://x.com/HolyroodDaily/status/1783467368145973747

    They'll abstain. They are completely unemployable and on a good wage which is going to end when the election comes. Abstention is enough to protect the government.

    Another key player here is Ash Regan. According to WingsoverScotland she is minded to vote with the SNP giving them 64 votes (assuming Nicola turns up today). Campbell has excellent sources in Alba so that should be taken seriously. That should be enough for a tie which might be enough for the government to survive.
    The Greens are polling quite well for Holyrood elections. They would probably do a lot better at any election than the SNP would.
    Unless you forgot to put in a 'relatively' there I may have to award you the Order of the Scotchpert, 2nd Class.
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,511
    Anabobazina said:

    @leon there’s a reply to you about Bordeaux on previous thread. Ignore my mini break term - no idea which recess of my brain that came from. Substitute for weekend, short break, anything.

    Definitely do Bordeaux. It’s one of the most beautiful cities in Europe, now it’s all clean. Nice food and excellent wine (of course). Also plenty of history and culture. A really good weekend city break and so easy to reach and yet not overrun with tourists like more famous cities

    And yes avoid the heat of high summer
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,385
    Nigelb said:

    .

    Taz said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @Iainmackay8

    Check out the Greens but even better, check out the sign language guy 😆😆😅😅


    I wonder what the collective noun is for a group of Green MSP's ?
    A bunch of Greens, obvs.
    Are you suggesting they are all vegetables?
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,385
    Nigelb said:

    ydoethur said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Nigelb said:

    You quoted the Scottish Play.

    Phew, I was worried somebody would miss my Shakespearean reference.
    Which is?
    I think his pun on "this Scottish play" should be given marks for effort, at least.
    My pun clearly was too subtle...
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,583
    ydoethur said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Nigelb said:

    You quoted the Scottish Play.

    Phew, I was worried somebody would miss my Shakespearean reference.
    Which is?
    Something that is far too subtle for you to pick up.

    I consider this an unmitigated victory for my subtlety.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,583
    edited April 25
    Theuniondivvie said:

    Nigelb said:

    ydoethur said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Nigelb said:

    You quoted the Scottish Play.

    Phew, I was worried somebody would miss my Shakespearean reference.
    Which is?
    I think his pun on "this Scottish play" should be given marks for effort, at least.
    That's an E then?
    I have never had an E in my life.

    I demand you withdraw your vile calumny or sir, I shall demand satisfaction.
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    LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 15,424
    Theuniondivvie said:

    LostPassword said:

    DavidL said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    BREAKING: Labour has said it will back a Tory no confidence motion in First Minister Humza Yousaf. The Scottish Greens say they will meet later to discuss their position.

    https://x.com/HolyroodDaily/status/1783467368145973747

    They'll abstain. They are completely unemployable and on a good wage which is going to end when the election comes. Abstention is enough to protect the government.

    Another key player here is Ash Regan. According to WingsoverScotland she is minded to vote with the SNP giving them 64 votes (assuming Nicola turns up today). Campbell has excellent sources in Alba so that should be taken seriously. That should be enough for a tie which might be enough for the government to survive.
    The Greens are polling quite well for Holyrood elections. They would probably do a lot better at any election than the SNP would.
    Unless you forgot to put in a 'relatively' there I may have to award you the Order of the Scotchpert, 2nd Class.
    Okay. They'd still have fewer seats than the SNP after the election, but relative to their starting point they would do better. They might well hold all their seats, which would be a miraculous result for the SNP going by the current polls.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,385
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    ydoethur said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Nigelb said:

    You quoted the Scottish Play.

    Phew, I was worried somebody would miss my Shakespearean reference.
    Which is?
    Something that is far too subtle for you to pick up.

    I consider this an unmitigated victory for my subtlety.
    FFS, did nobody get the pun on 'witches?'
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    DougSealDougSeal Posts: 11,245
    Yousaf must have done the maths that he had the numbers to survive a VONC. He's not a complete mug.
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    sarissasarissa Posts: 1,800
    LostPassword said:

    DavidL said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    BREAKING: Labour has said it will back a Tory no confidence motion in First Minister Humza Yousaf. The Scottish Greens say they will meet later to discuss their position.

    https://x.com/HolyroodDaily/status/1783467368145973747

    They'll abstain. They are completely unemployable and on a good wage which is going to end when the election comes. Abstention is enough to protect the government.

    Another key player here is Ash Regan. According to WingsoverScotland she is minded to vote with the SNP giving them 64 votes (assuming Nicola turns up today). Campbell has excellent sources in Alba so that should be taken seriously. That should be enough for a tie which might be enough for the government to survive.
    The Greens are polling quite well for Holyrood elections. They would probably do a lot better at any election than the SNP would.
    Log stoves banned? Deposit Return Scheme fiasco costing millions in compensation? HPMAs foisted on an unwilling local population only to be abandoned? Remember how much flak the LibDems took for their part in the coalition.
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    eekeek Posts: 25,020
    DougSeal said:

    Yousaf must have done the maths that he had the numbers to survive a VONC. He's not a complete mug.

    We are talking Yousaf here…
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,989
    "New York appeals court overturns Harvey Weinstein’s sex crimes convictions and orders a new trial"

    https://edition.cnn.com/2024/04/25/us/harvey-weinstein-conviction-overturned-appeal/index.html
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,385
    Andy_JS said:

    "New York appeals court overturns Harvey Weinstein’s sex crimes convictions and orders a new trial"

    https://edition.cnn.com/2024/04/25/us/harvey-weinstein-conviction-overturned-appeal/index.html

    Assuming that New York decline to put his victims through all that all over again, that might lead to him going on trial in California instead, of course.
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    LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 15,424
    sarissa said:

    LostPassword said:

    DavidL said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    BREAKING: Labour has said it will back a Tory no confidence motion in First Minister Humza Yousaf. The Scottish Greens say they will meet later to discuss their position.

    https://x.com/HolyroodDaily/status/1783467368145973747

    They'll abstain. They are completely unemployable and on a good wage which is going to end when the election comes. Abstention is enough to protect the government.

    Another key player here is Ash Regan. According to WingsoverScotland she is minded to vote with the SNP giving them 64 votes (assuming Nicola turns up today). Campbell has excellent sources in Alba so that should be taken seriously. That should be enough for a tie which might be enough for the government to survive.
    The Greens are polling quite well for Holyrood elections. They would probably do a lot better at any election than the SNP would.
    Log stoves banned? Deposit Return Scheme fiasco costing millions in compensation? HPMAs foisted on an unwilling local population only to be abandoned? Remember how much flak the LibDems took for their part in the coalition.
    I do, yes. So I am surprised. But it's what the opinion polls show.

    Seems like the SNP are the lightning rod for the public's discontent at the Scottish government, and the Greens are, in part, being seen as a pro-Independent lifeboat.
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,261
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    LostPassword said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    LostPassword said:

    DavidL said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    BREAKING: Labour has said it will back a Tory no confidence motion in First Minister Humza Yousaf. The Scottish Greens say they will meet later to discuss their position.

    https://x.com/HolyroodDaily/status/1783467368145973747

    They'll abstain. They are completely unemployable and on a good wage which is going to end when the election comes. Abstention is enough to protect the government.

    Another key player here is Ash Regan. According to WingsoverScotland she is minded to vote with the SNP giving them 64 votes (assuming Nicola turns up today). Campbell has excellent sources in Alba so that should be taken seriously. That should be enough for a tie which might be enough for the government to survive.
    The Greens are polling quite well for Holyrood elections. They would probably do a lot better at any election than the SNP would.
    Unless you forgot to put in a 'relatively' there I may have to award you the Order of the Scotchpert, 2nd Class.
    Okay. They'd still have fewer seats than the SNP after the election, but relative to their starting point they would do better. They might well hold all their seats, which would be a miraculous result for the SNP going by the current polls.
    I don't have the weird hatred of the Scottish Greens that seems to possess so many PBers, I know a few people who vote for them for perfectly valid reasons rather than the fevered motivations ascribed to them by the Herd. It's certainly possible that the SNP will lose MSPs and the Greens keep their current count but 64 is a lot of seats, 8 (if you include the presiding officer) isn't. Losing one seat for the SGs is the equivalent of eight for the SNP (both results possible in any Holyrood election).
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,387
    edited April 25
    Scott_xP said:

    @Dennynews

    For clarity, the motion of no confidence has been brought against the First Minister, not his Government.

    That's important as if he loses a personal motion of no confidence, it's up to the FM how he responds. It does not trigger his automatic dismissal.


    Yousless could cling on in defeat :)

    That would depend on whether a personal no confidence motion was sufficient to trigger the provisions of s46. It is the lack of a FM that can trigger the early election.
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,261
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Nigelb said:

    ydoethur said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Nigelb said:

    You quoted the Scottish Play.

    Phew, I was worried somebody would miss my Shakespearean reference.
    Which is?
    I think his pun on "this Scottish play" should be given marks for effort, at least.
    That's an E then?
    I have never had an E in my life.

    I demand you withdraw your vile calumny or sir, I shall demand satisfaction.
    Es are good.
    I got one for my Chemistry O grade.
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    MattWMattW Posts: 18,715
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Nigelb said:

    ydoethur said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Nigelb said:

    You quoted the Scottish Play.

    Phew, I was worried somebody would miss my Shakespearean reference.
    Which is?
    I think his pun on "this Scottish play" should be given marks for effort, at least.
    That's an E then?
    I have never had an E in my life.

    I demand you withdraw your vile calumny or sir, I shall demand satisfaction.
    Where's Bob when we need him?
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,387
    Andy_JS said:

    "New York appeals court overturns Harvey Weinstein’s sex crimes convictions and orders a new trial"

    https://edition.cnn.com/2024/04/25/us/harvey-weinstein-conviction-overturned-appeal/index.html

    IANA American lawyer but there surely has to be a warning in that decision about the intention of the AG in the Trump Hush money case leading evidence about the other alleged affair where a woman was paid off when there are no charges relating to her payment. Other than showing Trump is a sleezebag who is willing to pay women to be silent it is not easy to see what the relevance of that evidence is to the current charges.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,068
    Leon said:

    Anabobazina said:

    @leon there’s a reply to you about Bordeaux on previous thread. Ignore my mini break term - no idea which recess of my brain that came from. Substitute for weekend, short break, anything.

    Definitely do Bordeaux. It’s one of the most beautiful cities in Europe, now it’s all clean. Nice food and excellent wine (of course). Also plenty of history and culture. A really good weekend city break and so easy to reach and yet not overrun with tourists like more famous cities

    And yes avoid the heat of high summer
    It's a fairly quiet town: but it's attractive, affordable and has good food. Worth a visit, but not more than a few days unless you are pushing on doing a lot of vineyards.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,442
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    ydoethur said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Nigelb said:

    You quoted the Scottish Play.

    Phew, I was worried somebody would miss my Shakespearean reference.
    Which is?
    Something that is far too subtle for you to pick up.

    I consider this an unmitigated victory for my subtlety.
    If you're explaining, you're losing! :lol:
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    LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 15,424
    edited April 25
    Theuniondivvie said:

    ..

    LostPassword said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    LostPassword said:

    DavidL said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    BREAKING: Labour has said it will back a Tory no confidence motion in First Minister Humza Yousaf. The Scottish Greens say they will meet later to discuss their position.

    https://x.com/HolyroodDaily/status/1783467368145973747

    They'll abstain. They are completely unemployable and on a good wage which is going to end when the election comes. Abstention is enough to protect the government.

    Another key player here is Ash Regan. According to WingsoverScotland she is minded to vote with the SNP giving them 64 votes (assuming Nicola turns up today). Campbell has excellent sources in Alba so that should be taken seriously. That should be enough for a tie which might be enough for the government to survive.
    The Greens are polling quite well for Holyrood elections. They would probably do a lot better at any election than the SNP would.
    Unless you forgot to put in a 'relatively' there I may have to award you the Order of the Scotchpert, 2nd Class.
    Okay. They'd still have fewer seats than the SNP after the election, but relative to their starting point they would do better. They might well hold all their seats, which would be a miraculous result for the SNP going by the current polls.
    I don't have the weird hatred of the Scottish Greens that seems to possess so many PBers, I know a few people who vote for them for perfectly valid reasons rather than the fevered motivations ascribed to them by the Herd. It's certainly possible that the SNP will lose MSPs and the Greens keep their current count but 64 is a lot of seats, 8 (if you include the presiding officer) isn't. Losing one seat for the SGs is the equivalent of eight for the SNP (both results possible in any Holyrood election).
    I voted for the Scottish Greens because I think that climate change should be a much higher priority. If there's an election because Green Party members weren't happy about climate pledges being abandoned, then I expect I'll vote for them again*.

    There aren't many polls that show them losing votes compared to 2021.

    * Assuming I get an absentee vote for Holyrood.
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,989
    edited April 25
    "Humza Yousaf has just handed Ash Regan the balance of power in the Scottish Parliament - at least some of the time"

    https://scotgoespop.blogspot.com/2024/04/humza-yousaf-had-just-handed-ash-regan.html
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,442
    Taz said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @Iainmackay8

    Check out the Greens but even better, check out the sign language guy 😆😆😅😅


    I wonder what the collective noun is for a group of Green MSP's ?
    A Bute House of Green MSPs.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,385
    edited April 25
    DavidL said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "New York appeals court overturns Harvey Weinstein’s sex crimes convictions and orders a new trial"

    https://edition.cnn.com/2024/04/25/us/harvey-weinstein-conviction-overturned-appeal/index.html

    IANA American lawyer but there surely has to be a warning in that decision about the intention of the AG in the Trump Hush money case leading evidence about the other alleged affair where a woman was paid off when there are no charges relating to her payment. Other than showing Trump is a sleezebag who is willing to pay women to be silent it is not easy to see what the relevance of that evidence is to the current charges.
    Apparently only affects one of Weinstein's convictions. The other stands. So I suppose it might be a fairly easy way of sending a message if he's still locked up anyway.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,387
    logical_song said:

    Waterfall said:

    For those who say the us economy is doing well.

    BREAKING: US Q1 2024 GDP comes in at 1.6%, BELOW expectations of 2.5%.

    If 1.6% is the final reading, it will end 6 STRAIGHT quarters of 2%+ growth.

    However, we still have not had 2 consecutive quarters with declining GDP since Q2 2022.

    Is the economy beginning to weaken?
    1:31 PM · Apr 25, 2024
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    https://x.com/KobeissiLetter/status/1783473844226842877

    I'm no economist, but is this good news for Biden?
    Previously it was said the economy was too strong to allow rate cuts.
    The equivalent in the UK is 0.4% growth in Q1. We might match that but it will be close. Most European governments would bite your hand off for a number like that.
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