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  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,871
    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Damn. Just lost a whole day's profit by fat-fingering an extra digit to the stake on a losing bet.

    What do you mainly bet on?
    Horses.
    Ah ok. A view on Troy v Rosalion in the 2G?
    MY view, for what little it's worth, is ROSALLION looks the better option currently - the Hannon horses are running really well (I actually think HAATEM, the Craven winner, is the each way value at 20s) while the Ballydoyle horses have been slower to come to hand and it's only been 12 months since AUGUSTE RODIN was supposed to be the next big thing and ran a stinker in the Guineas.

    It may be 4/6 will look the steal of the century (so far) if CITY OF TROY is that good but many a bookie's holiday has bene funded by those who thought they saw a champion at two who turned out to be nothing like at three.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,239

    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    Brittany is great fun. I can see why you’d come here on holiday if you’re prepared to risk shit weather (I wouldn’t, if it was my only family holiday - it’s also quite pricey)

    Observations: it can be very bleak. Rundown towns with dying industries. Rows of post covid shuttered shops (as bad as British towns for sure)

    Bretons are short dark and hairy. Not tall red haired blonde Celts. But which is the true Celtic type?!

    Cornouaille really is like Cornwall. Maybe not as intensely pretty in its best spots, but with a greater sense of space and urbanity

    I have spent millions of days there over my life - haven’t done the part you are in. I Mostly go to Dinan, Dinard and St Malo in the north and La Baule in the south (it’s technically Loire Atlantique now but very much considered Breton).

    Dinan is a beautiful medieval river port, Dinard is a very relaxed but actually v preppy/wealthy beach town which is packed with upper class frenchies in the summer, St Malo you probs know anyway and La Baule is very smart beach resort, very few Brits etc, wealthy French for the beaches and casino. Love them all whatever the weather tbh.
    I don’t know them at all so Oooh

    How exciting to have a whole new region of France to discover! I feel like I’m starting an unexpected and highly regarded new season of the Sopranos
    I also need to get my arse to Carnac and might do it this summer as it looks bloody impressive - you will love it, bazillions of big carved stones.

    Also if you are into spas they are big into their thalassotherapy spas on the coast in Brittany.
    Small stones in Carnac, but many, many acres of them
    It’s disappointing isn’t it? I got zero vibes from Carnac and I was super receptive
    Try the Outer Hebrides. Or at any rate the Uists. There are prehistoric monuments dotted around but you need to tramp across the moors with compass and OS map to find them. Very rewarding when you do. Last time I did that the only company I had was a golden eagle. Its a remarkable landscape.
    I know them well and love them all. Though for insular Scottish megaltihs the Orkneys are possibly even better

    They are all better than the rubbish French ones. But that’s partly because - as I say - France is nicer

    It’s like scandi-noir. It works because the climate is bleak and the context harsh

    Try setting a gritty thriller in Monte Carlo or Collioure. Its hard
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,747

    Huge misjudgment by Sunak. The lure of a free flight to beautiful Rwanda (plus maybe a bit of a financial bribe) is clearly going to lead to a huge increase in the number of people seeking to arrive in small boats or even swimming across the Channel.

    Sky reported from a refugee centre in Derby and every refugee there said that had they thought they were going to be sent to Rwanda they would not have come to the UK
    How about if they thought there just a tiny chance they would be sent to Rwanda - say 300 out of 30,000 or so?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,129
    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    rcs1000 said:

    TimS said:

    Mortimer said:

    On topic, i've just been looking at who is left after a bad Tory GE performance (c.120 seats).

    Wonder if John Redwood might be the fiscal hawk that we'd need after a Labour government reverting to its old tricks.....

    Tories are in no position to lecture anyone on fiscal rectitude.
    I remember old Spock advocating Trussonomics (then called Reaganomics) shortly after his resignation and failed leadership bid. Ken Clarke absolutely wiped the floor with him in the discussion, which surprised me at the time.
    He's recently discovered autarchy too, so his economic philosophy references are eclectic to say the least. Keeps banging the drum for Britain making and growing everything here.
    Had autarchy ever been successfully implemented.

    I mean, implemented in a way that didn't impoverish the population.
    Only cos it hasn’t been done properly up till now. Cometh the hour..

    Apropos of nothing Autarky is dogfood.

    https://www.autarkyfoods.com/

    rcs1000 said:

    TimS said:

    Mortimer said:

    On topic, i've just been looking at who is left after a bad Tory GE performance (c.120 seats).

    Wonder if John Redwood might be the fiscal hawk that we'd need after a Labour government reverting to its old tricks.....

    Tories are in no position to lecture anyone on fiscal rectitude.
    I remember old Spock advocating Trussonomics (then called Reaganomics) shortly after his resignation and failed leadership bid. Ken Clarke absolutely wiped the floor with him in the discussion, which surprised me at the time.
    He's recently discovered autarchy too, so his economic philosophy references are eclectic to say the least. Keeps banging the drum for Britain making and growing everything here.
    Had autarchy ever been successfully implemented.

    I mean, implemented in a way that didn't impoverish the population.
    Only cos it hasn’t been done properly up till now. Cometh the hour..

    Apropos of nothing Autarky is dogfood.

    https://www.autarkyfoods.com/
    Hmm, soya free. And some without nasty vegan stuff. Definitely straight to the bowls of our more carnivorous PBers. Just think how convenient the granules are in the morning, basically breakfast food.
    I met someone in the pub the other night who was investing in a dog food that used insect protein. His reasoning was that people don't want to eat it but dogs don't have the choice. I'm not sure I'd buy it for dogs either, but I nodded and smiled politely.
    Perfectly normal canid dietary element in the wild, in all seriousness. You shouldn't knock it for the insect component alone.
    I ate insects in Mexico this year. They were fine. Sort of earthy and crunchy and tasted like bovril.

    But I don't think anyone, if offered them or a steak, would choose the bug.
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,652
    Nigelb said:

    rcs1000 said:

    malcolmg said:

    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @christopherhope

    BREAKING 210 migrants have arrived in four small boats today in Dover, reports
    @markwhiteTV for @GBNEWS, with two more small boats on the way right now, containing as many as 100 more migrants.

    So, a Rwanda full in one day. Where are they going to send tomorrow's boats?
    From the news on BBC this morning - a boat launched, was turned around by the French, came back to shore, picked up more and then launched again (no French vessel in sight). Clearly if we want to stop desperate people risking their lives crossing the channel we need to beef up the patrols (pay the French more?) but also provide a realistic route that people can claim asylum into the UK from places that these people are from. I don't think Northern France is the right place - we need to have arrangements much closer to the countries people are fleeing.

    But ultimately, the real issue is that in the UK we are extremely lucky. Most of us live a life far beyond what most of the planet can ever hope to. The way to end the migrant issue is to raise the standard of living everywhere else. Much of Africa is stunning, yet also can be desperately poor. The disparity between the life of Turbotubbs in SW Wiltshire and someone from many African states is what is driving the issue.
    Oodles of cash has been sent to Africa as long as I can remember and it makes little difference, the corruption is unbridled and they seem to like shooting , raping and pillaging far too much.
    There's a wonderful book on economic growth in third world countries, that starts with the awesome line: there's only one thing worse than aid to the people of developing economies, and that's the discovery of oil.

    But that doesn't mean there isn't stuff you can do that can make a real difference, such as free trade and support of democratic systems and the rule of law.
    Statistically, having been colonised by the Portuguese, Spanish, Belgians, French or British is probably worse than either of those things.

    It's not as though S Korea and Taiwan never received foreign aid when they were developing counties...
    Hard to say, since many former European colonies are among the highest-income countries. Relatively like-for-like comparisons, such as Ethiopia versus Kenya, also do not draw out stark differences. More clearly, you could say that Thailand has done better than (e.g.) Vietnam or Myanmar. However, Afghanistan is a major confounder.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,700
    steve richards
    @steverichards14
    ·
    25m
    Tax cuts…tax cuts… increase defence spending by £75 billion…tax cuts..tax cuts…tax cuts.

    https://twitter.com/steverichards14/status/1782834681244721440
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,798
    EPG said:

    Nigelb said:

    rcs1000 said:

    malcolmg said:

    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @christopherhope

    BREAKING 210 migrants have arrived in four small boats today in Dover, reports
    @markwhiteTV for @GBNEWS, with two more small boats on the way right now, containing as many as 100 more migrants.

    So, a Rwanda full in one day. Where are they going to send tomorrow's boats?
    From the news on BBC this morning - a boat launched, was turned around by the French, came back to shore, picked up more and then launched again (no French vessel in sight). Clearly if we want to stop desperate people risking their lives crossing the channel we need to beef up the patrols (pay the French more?) but also provide a realistic route that people can claim asylum into the UK from places that these people are from. I don't think Northern France is the right place - we need to have arrangements much closer to the countries people are fleeing.

    But ultimately, the real issue is that in the UK we are extremely lucky. Most of us live a life far beyond what most of the planet can ever hope to. The way to end the migrant issue is to raise the standard of living everywhere else. Much of Africa is stunning, yet also can be desperately poor. The disparity between the life of Turbotubbs in SW Wiltshire and someone from many African states is what is driving the issue.
    Oodles of cash has been sent to Africa as long as I can remember and it makes little difference, the corruption is unbridled and they seem to like shooting , raping and pillaging far too much.
    There's a wonderful book on economic growth in third world countries, that starts with the awesome line: there's only one thing worse than aid to the people of developing economies, and that's the discovery of oil.

    But that doesn't mean there isn't stuff you can do that can make a real difference, such as free trade and support of democratic systems and the rule of law.
    Statistically, having been colonised by the Portuguese, Spanish, Belgians, French or British is probably worse than either of those things.

    It's not as though S Korea and Taiwan never received foreign aid when they were developing counties...
    Hard to say, since many former European colonies are among the highest-income countries. Relatively like-for-like comparisons, such as Ethiopia versus Kenya, also do not draw out stark differences. More clearly, you could say that Thailand has done better than (e.g.) Vietnam or Myanmar. However, Afghanistan is a major confounder.
    Also both those countries received serious inputs of $$ for various reasons.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,798
    rcs1000 said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    rcs1000 said:

    TimS said:

    Mortimer said:

    On topic, i've just been looking at who is left after a bad Tory GE performance (c.120 seats).

    Wonder if John Redwood might be the fiscal hawk that we'd need after a Labour government reverting to its old tricks.....

    Tories are in no position to lecture anyone on fiscal rectitude.
    I remember old Spock advocating Trussonomics (then called Reaganomics) shortly after his resignation and failed leadership bid. Ken Clarke absolutely wiped the floor with him in the discussion, which surprised me at the time.
    He's recently discovered autarchy too, so his economic philosophy references are eclectic to say the least. Keeps banging the drum for Britain making and growing everything here.
    Had autarchy ever been successfully implemented.

    I mean, implemented in a way that didn't impoverish the population.
    Only cos it hasn’t been done properly up till now. Cometh the hour..

    Apropos of nothing Autarky is dogfood.

    https://www.autarkyfoods.com/

    rcs1000 said:

    TimS said:

    Mortimer said:

    On topic, i've just been looking at who is left after a bad Tory GE performance (c.120 seats).

    Wonder if John Redwood might be the fiscal hawk that we'd need after a Labour government reverting to its old tricks.....

    Tories are in no position to lecture anyone on fiscal rectitude.
    I remember old Spock advocating Trussonomics (then called Reaganomics) shortly after his resignation and failed leadership bid. Ken Clarke absolutely wiped the floor with him in the discussion, which surprised me at the time.
    He's recently discovered autarchy too, so his economic philosophy references are eclectic to say the least. Keeps banging the drum for Britain making and growing everything here.
    Had autarchy ever been successfully implemented.

    I mean, implemented in a way that didn't impoverish the population.
    Only cos it hasn’t been done properly up till now. Cometh the hour..

    Apropos of nothing Autarky is dogfood.

    https://www.autarkyfoods.com/
    Hmm, soya free. And some without nasty vegan stuff. Definitely straight to the bowls of our more carnivorous PBers. Just think how convenient the granules are in the morning, basically breakfast food.
    I met someone in the pub the other night who was investing in a dog food that used insect protein. His reasoning was that people don't want to eat it but dogs don't have the choice. I'm not sure I'd buy it for dogs either, but I nodded and smiled politely.
    Perfectly normal canid dietary element in the wild, in all seriousness. You shouldn't knock it for the insect component alone.
    I ate insects in Mexico this year. They were fine. Sort of earthy and crunchy and tasted like bovril.

    But I don't think anyone, if offered them or a steak, would choose the bug.
    I had sirloin for tea, with onion rings, fried onions, asparagus and potatoes in onions. If there were any bugs there I didn't see them and wouldn't want to.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,366

    steve richards
    @steverichards14
    ·
    25m
    Tax cuts…tax cuts… increase defence spending by £75 billion…tax cuts..tax cuts…tax cuts.

    https://twitter.com/steverichards14/status/1782834681244721440

    It's a very Reform type manifesto of mutually exclusive promises (lower taxes and higher spending).
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,129
    Nigelb said:

    rcs1000 said:

    malcolmg said:

    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @christopherhope

    BREAKING 210 migrants have arrived in four small boats today in Dover, reports
    @markwhiteTV for @GBNEWS, with two more small boats on the way right now, containing as many as 100 more migrants.

    So, a Rwanda full in one day. Where are they going to send tomorrow's boats?
    From the news on BBC this morning - a boat launched, was turned around by the French, came back to shore, picked up more and then launched again (no French vessel in sight). Clearly if we want to stop desperate people risking their lives crossing the channel we need to beef up the patrols (pay the French more?) but also provide a realistic route that people can claim asylum into the UK from places that these people are from. I don't think Northern France is the right place - we need to have arrangements much closer to the countries people are fleeing.

    But ultimately, the real issue is that in the UK we are extremely lucky. Most of us live a life far beyond what most of the planet can ever hope to. The way to end the migrant issue is to raise the standard of living everywhere else. Much of Africa is stunning, yet also can be desperately poor. The disparity between the life of Turbotubbs in SW Wiltshire and someone from many African states is what is driving the issue.
    Oodles of cash has been sent to Africa as long as I can remember and it makes little difference, the corruption is unbridled and they seem to like shooting , raping and pillaging far too much.
    There's a wonderful book on economic growth in third world countries, that starts with the awesome line: there's only one thing worse than aid to the people of developing economies, and that's the discovery of oil.

    But that doesn't mean there isn't stuff you can do that can make a real difference, such as free trade and support of democratic systems and the rule of law.
    Statistically, having been colonised by the Portuguese, Spanish, Belgians, French or British is probably worse than either of those things.

    It's not as though S Korea and Taiwan never received foreign aid when they were developing counties...
    Just look at the disaster of Singapore.
  • Leon said:

    Pilsgrim's Progress Report

    Day. Steps. Km

    1 . 58058 . 39.82
    2 . 60336 . 41.38
    3 . 58797 . 40.32
    4 . 48629 . 33.55

    Total . 225820. 155.07

    Bit disappointed by today, but I did climb about 1200 metres which makes it rather harder work! And I'm not far behind my 40 km per day target

    Jeez that’s a lot of walking. I thought my 10 miles around Paris to see if it is in mortal decay (spoiler: see next week’s Gazette) was impressive

    Serious question: have you done training for this? I guess your job IS training

    You must love walking to do it for work and for fun!
    I've walked twelve to fifteen miles a day, five days a week, for the last year at work, which I guess is pretty good training!

    I don't love the walking itself; at work it's just work, but I love walking through a country - I don't think there's a better way for me to experience it

    I loved my tour of Brittany last year, my walk from Girona to Perpignan the year before, and I think I'm going to do this kind of walking holiday from now on. Until I can't

    I'm considering the Pyrenean route next year, from where I hopefully finish in a few weeks, Saint Jean Pied de Port, on to Perpignan then Montpellier, to start joining bits together
    Don’t waste too many odd opportunities walking like a demon.
    Time it for Easter in Burgos. This is only a snippet. The drumming in the squares is quite scary. ( Would suit a demon. )




  • eekeek Posts: 28,366
    For anyone betting on the Tees Valley election - Ben Houchen has probably just lost the Boro vote https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/24274083.steve-gibson-backs-chris-mcewan-mayor-accusing-houchen/

    I suspect this may swing things just enough in Labour's direction for Labour to have a chance...
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,708
    edited April 23
    rcs1000 said:

    Nigelb said:

    rcs1000 said:

    malcolmg said:

    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @christopherhope

    BREAKING 210 migrants have arrived in four small boats today in Dover, reports
    @markwhiteTV for @GBNEWS, with two more small boats on the way right now, containing as many as 100 more migrants.

    So, a Rwanda full in one day. Where are they going to send tomorrow's boats?
    From the news on BBC this morning - a boat launched, was turned around by the French, came back to shore, picked up more and then launched again (no French vessel in sight). Clearly if we want to stop desperate people risking their lives crossing the channel we need to beef up the patrols (pay the French more?) but also provide a realistic route that people can claim asylum into the UK from places that these people are from. I don't think Northern France is the right place - we need to have arrangements much closer to the countries people are fleeing.

    But ultimately, the real issue is that in the UK we are extremely lucky. Most of us live a life far beyond what most of the planet can ever hope to. The way to end the migrant issue is to raise the standard of living everywhere else. Much of Africa is stunning, yet also can be desperately poor. The disparity between the life of Turbotubbs in SW Wiltshire and someone from many African states is what is driving the issue.
    Oodles of cash has been sent to Africa as long as I can remember and it makes little difference, the corruption is unbridled and they seem to like shooting , raping and pillaging far too much.
    There's a wonderful book on economic growth in third world countries, that starts with the awesome line: there's only one thing worse than aid to the people of developing economies, and that's the discovery of oil.

    But that doesn't mean there isn't stuff you can do that can make a real difference, such as free trade and support of democratic systems and the rule of law.
    Statistically, having been colonised by the Portuguese, Spanish, Belgians, French or British is probably worse than either of those things.

    It's not as though S Korea and Taiwan never received foreign aid when they were developing counties...
    Just look at the disaster of Singapore.
    Not to mention Cowperthwaite's HongKong

  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,129
    edited April 23
    Nigelb said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Pilsgrim's Progress Report

    Day. Steps. Km

    1 . 58058 . 39.82
    2 . 60336 . 41.38
    3 . 58797 . 40.32
    4 . 48629 . 33.55

    Total . 225820. 155.07

    Bit disappointed by today, but I did climb about 1200 metres which makes it rather harder work! And I'm not far behind my 40 km per day target

    Jeez that’s a lot of walking. I thought my 10 miles around Paris to see if it is in mortal decay (spoiler: see next week’s Gazette) was impressive

    Serious question: have you done training for this? I guess your job IS training

    You must love walking to do it for work and for fun!
    I asked you if you were doing an article on "Paris to the dogs" and you flat out denied it.

    Once trust has gone it's hard to get it back.
    No I became inspired to write it after I’d experienced it

    You thought I’d come pre-armed with an opinion. I really hadn’t. Indeed if you read my comments that day I started with an honest desire to compare the cities - london and Paris - why would I lie about that on here? Pointless

    I arrived at gare du nord and it was tatty. But it always is. It was only when I went onwards that I kept finding surprising grot and then real menace

    And then about hour 5 I did think: yes this is an article - but only when I’d accumulated sufficient evidence (otherwise the piece would not work)
    Ok plausible, I suppose. It wouldn't have been lying anyway. More just inhabiting the part. Which we all do to varying degrees.
    I readily confess I seek out stories. But I don’t invent them from broad cloth let alone go somewhere intent on proving a contentious opinion. That’s not how it works, it would be like you the accountant starting with a taxable sum of annual income then afterwards trying to get the real income to fit that. You’d either end up lying or looking a fool and you’d soon lose your job

    And remember, I am LITERALLY the “Jay Rayner of Place”
    Well you do get bent accountants (even chartered) but ethical standards are higher there than in journalism. So I don't know. Fact is, you will know that only certain 'takes' get published so there'll be pressure to come up with one of those. Way of the world. Don't expect you to fight it. Bills to pay etc.
    That prompts me to remember this story.

    https://www.honest-broker.com/p/what-is-really-inside-the-briefcase
    ..I’m reminded of a favorite passage in a David Foster Wallace story, when a burnt-out young man—he describes himself as a wastoid—is shaken out of his complacency by (of all people) an accounting professor.

    This teacher berates his students, demanding that they aspire to heroism—but “not heroism as you might know it from films or the tales of childhood. . . . The truth is that the heroism of your childhood entertainments was not true valor. It was theater.”

    Grown-ups, he continues, must learn what real heroism is. The professor goes on to define it—in a way that both unsettled and inspired me when I first read it:

    “Welcome to the world of reality—there is no audience. No one to applaud, to admire. No one to see you. Do you understand? Here is the truth—actual heroism receives no ovation, entertains no one. . . . True heroism is minutes, hours, weeks, year upon year of the quiet, precise, judicious exercise of probity and care—with no one there to see and cheer. This is the world.”

    The ‘wastoid protagonist eventually finds fulfillment as a Certified Public Account working for the IRS...
    That describes someone entirely unlike Donald Trump.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,129
    geoffw said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Nigelb said:

    rcs1000 said:

    malcolmg said:

    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @christopherhope

    BREAKING 210 migrants have arrived in four small boats today in Dover, reports
    @markwhiteTV for @GBNEWS, with two more small boats on the way right now, containing as many as 100 more migrants.

    So, a Rwanda full in one day. Where are they going to send tomorrow's boats?
    From the news on BBC this morning - a boat launched, was turned around by the French, came back to shore, picked up more and then launched again (no French vessel in sight). Clearly if we want to stop desperate people risking their lives crossing the channel we need to beef up the patrols (pay the French more?) but also provide a realistic route that people can claim asylum into the UK from places that these people are from. I don't think Northern France is the right place - we need to have arrangements much closer to the countries people are fleeing.

    But ultimately, the real issue is that in the UK we are extremely lucky. Most of us live a life far beyond what most of the planet can ever hope to. The way to end the migrant issue is to raise the standard of living everywhere else. Much of Africa is stunning, yet also can be desperately poor. The disparity between the life of Turbotubbs in SW Wiltshire and someone from many African states is what is driving the issue.
    Oodles of cash has been sent to Africa as long as I can remember and it makes little difference, the corruption is unbridled and they seem to like shooting , raping and pillaging far too much.
    There's a wonderful book on economic growth in third world countries, that starts with the awesome line: there's only one thing worse than aid to the people of developing economies, and that's the discovery of oil.

    But that doesn't mean there isn't stuff you can do that can make a real difference, such as free trade and support of democratic systems and the rule of law.
    Statistically, having been colonised by the Portuguese, Spanish, Belgians, French or British is probably worse than either of those things.

    It's not as though S Korea and Taiwan never received foreign aid when they were developing counties...
    Just look at the disaster of Singapore.
    Not to mention Cowperthwaite's HongKong

    And look at the hell hole that is Australia.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,098
    Nigelb said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Pilsgrim's Progress Report

    Day. Steps. Km

    1 . 58058 . 39.82
    2 . 60336 . 41.38
    3 . 58797 . 40.32
    4 . 48629 . 33.55

    Total . 225820. 155.07

    Bit disappointed by today, but I did climb about 1200 metres which makes it rather harder work! And I'm not far behind my 40 km per day target

    Jeez that’s a lot of walking. I thought my 10 miles around Paris to see if it is in mortal decay (spoiler: see next week’s Gazette) was impressive

    Serious question: have you done training for this? I guess your job IS training

    You must love walking to do it for work and for fun!
    I asked you if you were doing an article on "Paris to the dogs" and you flat out denied it.

    Once trust has gone it's hard to get it back.
    No I became inspired to write it after I’d experienced it

    You thought I’d come pre-armed with an opinion. I really hadn’t. Indeed if you read my comments that day I started with an honest desire to compare the cities - london and Paris - why would I lie about that on here? Pointless

    I arrived at gare du nord and it was tatty. But it always is. It was only when I went onwards that I kept finding surprising grot and then real menace

    And then about hour 5 I did think: yes this is an article - but only when I’d accumulated sufficient evidence (otherwise the piece would not work)
    Ok plausible, I suppose. It wouldn't have been lying anyway. More just inhabiting the part. Which we all do to varying degrees.
    I readily confess I seek out stories. But I don’t invent them from broad cloth let alone go somewhere intent on proving a contentious opinion. That’s not how it works, it would be like you the accountant starting with a taxable sum of annual income then afterwards trying to get the real income to fit that. You’d either end up lying or looking a fool and you’d soon lose your job

    And remember, I am LITERALLY the “Jay Rayner of Place”
    Well you do get bent accountants (even chartered) but ethical standards are higher there than in journalism. So I don't know. Fact is, you will know that only certain 'takes' get published so there'll be pressure to come up with one of those. Way of the world. Don't expect you to fight it. Bills to pay etc.
    That prompts me to remember this story.

    https://www.honest-broker.com/p/what-is-really-inside-the-briefcase
    ..I’m reminded of a favorite passage in a David Foster Wallace story, when a burnt-out young man—he describes himself as a wastoid—is shaken out of his complacency by (of all people) an accounting professor.

    This teacher berates his students, demanding that they aspire to heroism—but “not heroism as you might know it from films or the tales of childhood. . . . The truth is that the heroism of your childhood entertainments was not true valor. It was theater.”

    Grown-ups, he continues, must learn what real heroism is. The professor goes on to define it—in a way that both unsettled and inspired me when I first read it:

    “Welcome to the world of reality—there is no audience. No one to applaud, to admire. No one to see you. Do you understand? Here is the truth—actual heroism receives no ovation, entertains no one. . . . True heroism is minutes, hours, weeks, year upon year of the quiet, precise, judicious exercise of probity and care—with no one there to see and cheer. This is the world.”

    The ‘wastoid protagonist eventually finds fulfillment as a Certified Public Account working for the IRS...
    True and beautifully put. Accountancy has saved the life of many a young boy and me I know, I'm one.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,027
    eek said:

    steve richards
    @steverichards14
    ·
    25m
    Tax cuts…tax cuts… increase defence spending by £75 billion…tax cuts..tax cuts…tax cuts.

    https://twitter.com/steverichards14/status/1782834681244721440

    It's a very Reform type manifesto of mutually exclusive promises (lower taxes and higher spending).
    Listening to Sunak yesterday and today he is clearly moving into election mode with the passing of the Rwanda Bill and the announcement in Warsaw of the increase in defence spending to 2.5% by 2030 which has apparently delighted his party
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,930

    DavidL said:

    Hurrah for lawyers.

    Three out of six are lawyers.

    Six SNP MSPs rebel by abstaining on the Scottish Government's wide-ranging Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform Bill (juryless trials etc)

    Annabelle Ewing
    Fergus Ewing
    Kate Forbes
    Christine Grahame
    Ivan McKee
    Michelle Thomson


    https://twitter.com/sensiblestu/status/1782820318416941560

    The name that matters there is Kate Forbes. That is a declaration of war.
    I find it interesting that her approach to winning the leadership is to be pretty confrontational. The SNP, since Sturgeon took over, has been wedded to a weird kind of authoritarian progressivism. Forbes is signalling she will have none of it and would kick the table over given a chance.
    There must be quite a hunt on in the SNP establishment for a credible Yousaf successor wedded to their orthodoxies. But is there one?
    Would the membership vote for another establishment successor? I would have thought they would want a change.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,708
    rcs1000 said:

    geoffw said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Nigelb said:

    rcs1000 said:

    malcolmg said:

    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @christopherhope

    BREAKING 210 migrants have arrived in four small boats today in Dover, reports
    @markwhiteTV for @GBNEWS, with two more small boats on the way right now, containing as many as 100 more migrants.

    So, a Rwanda full in one day. Where are they going to send tomorrow's boats?
    From the news on BBC this morning - a boat launched, was turned around by the French, came back to shore, picked up more and then launched again (no French vessel in sight). Clearly if we want to stop desperate people risking their lives crossing the channel we need to beef up the patrols (pay the French more?) but also provide a realistic route that people can claim asylum into the UK from places that these people are from. I don't think Northern France is the right place - we need to have arrangements much closer to the countries people are fleeing.

    But ultimately, the real issue is that in the UK we are extremely lucky. Most of us live a life far beyond what most of the planet can ever hope to. The way to end the migrant issue is to raise the standard of living everywhere else. Much of Africa is stunning, yet also can be desperately poor. The disparity between the life of Turbotubbs in SW Wiltshire and someone from many African states is what is driving the issue.
    Oodles of cash has been sent to Africa as long as I can remember and it makes little difference, the corruption is unbridled and they seem to like shooting , raping and pillaging far too much.
    There's a wonderful book on economic growth in third world countries, that starts with the awesome line: there's only one thing worse than aid to the people of developing economies, and that's the discovery of oil.

    But that doesn't mean there isn't stuff you can do that can make a real difference, such as free trade and support of democratic systems and the rule of law.
    Statistically, having been colonised by the Portuguese, Spanish, Belgians, French or British is probably worse than either of those things.

    It's not as though S Korea and Taiwan never received foreign aid when they were developing counties...
    Just look at the disaster of Singapore.
    Not to mention Cowperthwaite's HongKong

    And look at the hell hole that is Australia.
    Or USA and Canada

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,700
    It's all kicking off...


    LBC
    @LBC
    ‘She is by far the most dangerous candidate I have ever faced.’
    ‘That is an outrageous comment.’

    Sadiq Khan and Susan Hall go head-to-head.

    https://twitter.com/LBC/status/1782823523716657279
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,708
    Tbf Nigelb may have a point regarding Belgian and some Spanish former colonies
  • WaterfallWaterfall Posts: 96
    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Brittany is great fun. I can see why you’d come here on holiday if you’re prepared to risk shit weather (I wouldn’t, if it was my only family holiday - it’s also quite pricey)

    Observations: it can be very bleak. Rundown towns with dying industries. Rows of post covid shuttered shops (as bad as British towns for sure)

    Bretons are short dark and hairy. Not tall red haired blonde Celts. But which is the true Celtic type?!

    Cornouaille really is like Cornwall. Maybe not as intensely pretty in its best spots, but with a greater sense of space and urbanity

    You could visit the Channel Islands for a couple of days.
    I always think if you want decent summer weather but not too hot La Rochelle in France is ideal.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,871

    eek said:

    steve richards
    @steverichards14
    ·
    25m
    Tax cuts…tax cuts… increase defence spending by £75 billion…tax cuts..tax cuts…tax cuts.

    https://twitter.com/steverichards14/status/1782834681244721440

    It's a very Reform type manifesto of mutually exclusive promises (lower taxes and higher spending).
    Listening to Sunak yesterday and today he is clearly moving into election mode with the passing of the Rwanda Bill and the announcement in Warsaw of the increase in defence spending to 2.5% by 2030 which has apparently delighted his party
    As has been pointed out elsewhere, it's not how much you spend but what that spending gets you that is the key. It's curious to hear Conservatives lauding throwing money at defence and then criticising throwing money at the NHS.

    As for Rwanda, we're nowhere near getting a plane in the air it would seem and the only people gaining in the short term will be the legal profession from all the challenges to the legislation.

    The Conservatives are now so desperate they are promising the sun, the moon and the stars without a scintilla of an idea how all this will be paid for.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,814
    rcs1000 said:

    geoffw said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Nigelb said:

    rcs1000 said:

    malcolmg said:

    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @christopherhope

    BREAKING 210 migrants have arrived in four small boats today in Dover, reports
    @markwhiteTV for @GBNEWS, with two more small boats on the way right now, containing as many as 100 more migrants.

    So, a Rwanda full in one day. Where are they going to send tomorrow's boats?
    From the news on BBC this morning - a boat launched, was turned around by the French, came back to shore, picked up more and then launched again (no French vessel in sight). Clearly if we want to stop desperate people risking their lives crossing the channel we need to beef up the patrols (pay the French more?) but also provide a realistic route that people can claim asylum into the UK from places that these people are from. I don't think Northern France is the right place - we need to have arrangements much closer to the countries people are fleeing.

    But ultimately, the real issue is that in the UK we are extremely lucky. Most of us live a life far beyond what most of the planet can ever hope to. The way to end the migrant issue is to raise the standard of living everywhere else. Much of Africa is stunning, yet also can be desperately poor. The disparity between the life of Turbotubbs in SW Wiltshire and someone from many African states is what is driving the issue.
    Oodles of cash has been sent to Africa as long as I can remember and it makes little difference, the corruption is unbridled and they seem to like shooting , raping and pillaging far too much.
    There's a wonderful book on economic growth in third world countries, that starts with the awesome line: there's only one thing worse than aid to the people of developing economies, and that's the discovery of oil.

    But that doesn't mean there isn't stuff you can do that can make a real difference, such as free trade and support of democratic systems and the rule of law.
    Statistically, having been colonised by the Portuguese, Spanish, Belgians, French or British is probably worse than either of those things.

    It's not as though S Korea and Taiwan never received foreign aid when they were developing counties...
    Just look at the disaster of Singapore.
    Not to mention Cowperthwaite's HongKong

    And look at the hell hole that is Australia.
    Too many snakes and spiders!
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,061
    kinabalu said:

    Nigelb said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Pilsgrim's Progress Report

    Day. Steps. Km

    1 . 58058 . 39.82
    2 . 60336 . 41.38
    3 . 58797 . 40.32
    4 . 48629 . 33.55

    Total . 225820. 155.07

    Bit disappointed by today, but I did climb about 1200 metres which makes it rather harder work! And I'm not far behind my 40 km per day target

    Jeez that’s a lot of walking. I thought my 10 miles around Paris to see if it is in mortal decay (spoiler: see next week’s Gazette) was impressive

    Serious question: have you done training for this? I guess your job IS training

    You must love walking to do it for work and for fun!
    I asked you if you were doing an article on "Paris to the dogs" and you flat out denied it.

    Once trust has gone it's hard to get it back.
    No I became inspired to write it after I’d experienced it

    You thought I’d come pre-armed with an opinion. I really hadn’t. Indeed if you read my comments that day I started with an honest desire to compare the cities - london and Paris - why would I lie about that on here? Pointless

    I arrived at gare du nord and it was tatty. But it always is. It was only when I went onwards that I kept finding surprising grot and then real menace

    And then about hour 5 I did think: yes this is an article - but only when I’d accumulated sufficient evidence (otherwise the piece would not work)
    Ok plausible, I suppose. It wouldn't have been lying anyway. More just inhabiting the part. Which we all do to varying degrees.
    I readily confess I seek out stories. But I don’t invent them from broad cloth let alone go somewhere intent on proving a contentious opinion. That’s not how it works, it would be like you the accountant starting with a taxable sum of annual income then afterwards trying to get the real income to fit that. You’d either end up lying or looking a fool and you’d soon lose your job

    And remember, I am LITERALLY the “Jay Rayner of Place”
    Well you do get bent accountants (even chartered) but ethical standards are higher there than in journalism. So I don't know. Fact is, you will know that only certain 'takes' get published so there'll be pressure to come up with one of those. Way of the world. Don't expect you to fight it. Bills to pay etc.
    That prompts me to remember this story.

    https://www.honest-broker.com/p/what-is-really-inside-the-briefcase
    ..I’m reminded of a favorite passage in a David Foster Wallace story, when a burnt-out young man—he describes himself as a wastoid—is shaken out of his complacency by (of all people) an accounting professor.

    This teacher berates his students, demanding that they aspire to heroism—but “not heroism as you might know it from films or the tales of childhood. . . . The truth is that the heroism of your childhood entertainments was not true valor. It was theater.”

    Grown-ups, he continues, must learn what real heroism is. The professor goes on to define it—in a way that both unsettled and inspired me when I first read it:

    “Welcome to the world of reality—there is no audience. No one to applaud, to admire. No one to see you. Do you understand? Here is the truth—actual heroism receives no ovation, entertains no one. . . . True heroism is minutes, hours, weeks, year upon year of the quiet, precise, judicious exercise of probity and care—with no one there to see and cheer. This is the world.”

    The ‘wastoid protagonist eventually finds fulfillment as a Certified Public Account working for the IRS...
    True and beautifully put. Accountancy has saved the life of many a young boy and me I know, I'm one.
    I thought you might like it.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,128
    edited April 23
    Waterfall said:

    Foxy said:

    Selebian said:

    Foxy said:

    Selebian said:

    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Britain Elects
    @BritainElects

    If Labour wins the next election, do you think you will be better or worse off than otherwise?

    Better: 27%
    Worse: 32%
    The same: 29%

    via @RedfieldWilton"

    https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1782786827537064263

    What are the figures for the same question if the Tories win?
    Unless we have a lot of LD true-believers they should be more or less the reverse! But I suspect they wouldn't be - people answering whether they expect to be better or worse off after the election, rather than compared to the Tories winning the election.
    Not necessarily, many people might anticipate being worse off whoever wins. They are likely to be correct.
    The 'otherwise' means Labour don't win, which realistically* means the Tories win? If it was better or worse off than 'now' then I'd agree (and I do think that's probably how people are answering the question, but it's not how I read the question)

    *in normal times. this time, who knows - the most plausible otherwise might be a coalition, I guess
    Found the figures in the New Statesman article if the Cons win*.

    Better off 14%
    Worse off 46%
    About the same 34%

    So Labour has the lead.

    *stop laughing at the back!
    I imagine the 14% better off are the top 3 to 5% and wealthy pensioners.
    I don't think 10% of the population are "wealthy pensioners".

    To me that sounds like a definition based on fairly lazy prejudicial assumptions, tbh.

    There are 12.6 million receiving the State Pension, so for 10% of the population to be "wealthy pensioners" that is half of them.

    According to the ONS stats, the median income for all pensioners is £387 per week, which by definition is the halfway point on the pensioner income scale.
    https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/pensioners-incomes-financial-years-ending-1995-to-2023/pensioners-incomes-financial-years-ending-1995-to-2023

    £387 per week - just under half of median earnings - means a wealthy pensioner, does it? Really?

    It's time for not a few people on PB to re-examine their kneejerk assumptions.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,027
    edited April 23

    eek said:

    steve richards
    @steverichards14
    ·
    25m
    Tax cuts…tax cuts… increase defence spending by £75 billion…tax cuts..tax cuts…tax cuts.

    https://twitter.com/steverichards14/status/1782834681244721440

    It's a very Reform type manifesto of mutually exclusive promises (lower taxes and higher spending).
    Listening to Sunak yesterday and today he is clearly moving into election mode with the passing of the Rwanda Bill and the announcement in Warsaw of the increase in defence spending to 2.5% by 2030 which has apparently delighted his party
    There was a Budget a month ago. Defence wasn't mentioned iirc.

    And where is the spending review to provide the extra for defence.

    Sunak is a joke.
    You can say that but his defence commitment costing 75 billion to 2030 and his statement he is putting UK on a war footing will be popular with the conservative party and begs the question does Starmer match it and how
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,412
    eek said:

    steve richards
    @steverichards14
    ·
    25m
    Tax cuts…tax cuts… increase defence spending by £75 billion…tax cuts..tax cuts…tax cuts.

    https://twitter.com/steverichards14/status/1782834681244721440

    It's a very Reform type manifesto of mutually exclusive promises (lower taxes and higher spending).
    The Brexit Party (as was) was the first party to have its manifesto costed independently, so that's not terribly fair. I'd imagine Reform will do the same before the GE.
  • WaterfallWaterfall Posts: 96

    GIN1138 said:

    It's official. My loathing of Sunak has now surpassed that of Johnson.

    Why?
    This defence thing. He literally had a Budget not a month ago and increasing defence was ruled out.

    Now he is off to Warsaw suddenly he plucks 2.5% out of the air without a hint of how it will be funded. Defence don't even know what the amounts are for 2025 apparently. This is on top of saying they will get rid of NI and then blaming the disabled and their doctors for costing too much when there are waiting lists for NHS as long as a very very long thing.

    It is all utter crap.

    Even his St George's day tweet was utterly crap.

    Yes at least Johnson whilst totally useless could be entertaining at times. Sunak doesnt even give you that.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,871
    Evening all :)

    Latest Savanta numbers:

    LAB: 43% (=)
    CON: 27% (+2)
    RFM: 10% (+1)
    LDM: 9% (-1)
    GRN: 4% (=)
    SNP: 2% (-1)

  • legatuslegatus Posts: 126
    eek said:

    For anyone betting on the Tees Valley election - Ben Houchen has probably just lost the Boro vote https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/24274083.steve-gibson-backs-chris-mcewan-mayor-accusing-houchen/

    I suspect this may swing things just enough in Labour's direction for Labour to have a chance...

    eek said:

    For anyone betting on the Tees Valley election - Ben Houchen has probably just lost the Boro vote https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/24274083.steve-gibson-backs-chris-mcewan-mayor-accusing-houchen/

    I suspect this may swing things just enough in Labour's direction for Labour to have a chance...

    A poll this week already had the main contenders as neck and neck.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,549
    stodge said:

    Evening all :)

    Latest Savanta numbers:

    LAB: 43% (=)
    CON: 27% (+2)
    RFM: 10% (+1)
    LDM: 9% (-1)
    GRN: 4% (=)
    SNP: 2% (-1)

    There does seem to have been a slight uptick in Tory support recently.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,412
    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Pilsgrim's Progress Report

    Day. Steps. Km

    1 . 58058 . 39.82
    2 . 60336 . 41.38
    3 . 58797 . 40.32
    4 . 48629 . 33.55

    Total . 225820. 155.07

    Bit disappointed by today, but I did climb about 1200 metres which makes it rather harder work! And I'm not far behind my 40 km per day target

    Jeez that’s a lot of walking. I thought my 10 miles around Paris to see if it is in mortal decay (spoiler: see next week’s Gazette) was impressive

    Serious question: have you done training for this? I guess your job IS training

    You must love walking to do it for work and for fun!
    I asked you if you were doing an article on "Paris to the dogs" and you flat out denied it.

    Once trust has gone it's hard to get it back.
    No I became inspired to write it after I’d experienced it

    You thought I’d come pre-armed with an opinion. I really hadn’t. Indeed if you read my comments that day I started with an honest desire to compare the cities - london and Paris - why would I lie about that on here? Pointless

    I arrived at gare du nord and it was tatty. But it always is. It was only when I went onwards that I kept finding surprising grot and then real menace

    And then about hour 5 I did think: yes this is an article - but only when I’d accumulated sufficient evidence (otherwise the piece would not work)
    Ok plausible, I suppose. It wouldn't have been lying anyway. More just inhabiting the part. Which we all do to varying degrees.
    I readily confess I seek out stories. But I don’t invent them from broad cloth let alone go somewhere intent on proving a contentious opinion. That’s not how it works, it would be like you the accountant starting with a taxable sum of annual income then afterwards trying to get the real income to fit that. You’d either end up lying or looking a fool and you’d soon lose your job

    And remember, I am LITERALLY the “Jay Rayner of Place”
    Better than being the Fanny Craddock of Haddock.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,814
    Andy_JS said:

    stodge said:

    Evening all :)

    Latest Savanta numbers:

    LAB: 43% (=)
    CON: 27% (+2)
    RFM: 10% (+1)
    LDM: 9% (-1)
    GRN: 4% (=)
    SNP: 2% (-1)

    There does seem to have been a slight uptick in Tory support recently.
    THE FIGHTBACK STARTS HERE!!!!
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,656
    Another day another Poll. Another requiring SKS fans to explain

    Britain Elects
    @BritainElects
    ·
    12m
    📊 Labour lead at 16pts
    Westminster voting intention

    LAB: 43% (-)
    CON: 27% (+2)
    REF: 10% (+1)
    LDEM: 9% (-1)
    GRN: 4% (-)

    via
    @Savanta_UK
    , 19 Apr
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,814
    stodge said:

    Evening all :)

    Latest Savanta numbers:

    LAB: 43% (=)
    CON: 27% (+2)
    RFM: 10% (+1)
    LDM: 9% (-1)
    GRN: 4% (=)
    SNP: 2% (-1)

    Broken, sleazy LibDems and SNP on the slide!
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,871

    eek said:

    steve richards
    @steverichards14
    ·
    25m
    Tax cuts…tax cuts… increase defence spending by £75 billion…tax cuts..tax cuts…tax cuts.

    https://twitter.com/steverichards14/status/1782834681244721440

    It's a very Reform type manifesto of mutually exclusive promises (lower taxes and higher spending).
    Listening to Sunak yesterday and today he is clearly moving into election mode with the passing of the Rwanda Bill and the announcement in Warsaw of the increase in defence spending to 2.5% by 2030 which has apparently delighted his party
    There was a Budget a month ago. Defence wasn't mentioned iirc.

    And where is the spending review to provide the extra for defence.

    Sunak is a joke.
    You can say that but his defence commitment costing 75 billion to 2030 and his statement he is putting UK on a war footing will be popular with the conservative party and begs the question does Starmer match it and how
    What does "putting the UK on a war footing" actually mean? Are we actually going to be fighting Russia, Iran or C hina anytime soon? Of course not but a little bit of fear helps keep the voters in line. I suspect the hope is all this defence investment will somehow lead to economic growth and prosperity. History shows us it can do for a while but eventually the music stops.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,814

    Another day another Poll. Another requiring SKS fans to explain

    Britain Elects
    @BritainElects
    ·
    12m
    📊 Labour lead at 16pts
    Westminster voting intention

    LAB: 43% (-)
    CON: 27% (+2)
    REF: 10% (+1)
    LDEM: 9% (-1)
    GRN: 4% (-)

    via
    @Savanta_UK
    , 19 Apr

    Looking forward to another four years of Rishi, BJO?
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,214
    stodge said:

    eek said:

    steve richards
    @steverichards14
    ·
    25m
    Tax cuts…tax cuts… increase defence spending by £75 billion…tax cuts..tax cuts…tax cuts.

    https://twitter.com/steverichards14/status/1782834681244721440

    It's a very Reform type manifesto of mutually exclusive promises (lower taxes and higher spending).
    Listening to Sunak yesterday and today he is clearly moving into election mode with the passing of the Rwanda Bill and the announcement in Warsaw of the increase in defence spending to 2.5% by 2030 which has apparently delighted his party
    As has been pointed out elsewhere, it's not how much you spend but what that spending gets you that is the key. It's curious to hear Conservatives lauding throwing money at defence and then criticising throwing money at the NHS.

    As for Rwanda, we're nowhere near getting a plane in the air it would seem and the only people gaining in the short term will be the legal profession from all the challenges to the legislation.

    The Conservatives are now so desperate they are promising the sun, the moon and the stars without a scintilla of an idea how all this will be paid for.
    Strange mixture of desperation and utter self indulgence. If the party was already in opposition, we could all point and laugh indulgently, in the way that people did at Labour in the Corbyn era. But, for all that Sunak is behaving like a niche opposition politician, he is the actual blooming Prime Minister. He needs to have a connection with reality.

    "The Labour Party scheme their schemes, The Liberal Party dream their dreams, But we have work to do.” Sentiments like that are why I tend to turn right politically. What would the ghost of Ian Macleod make of this shower?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,027
    stodge said:

    eek said:

    steve richards
    @steverichards14
    ·
    25m
    Tax cuts…tax cuts… increase defence spending by £75 billion…tax cuts..tax cuts…tax cuts.

    https://twitter.com/steverichards14/status/1782834681244721440

    It's a very Reform type manifesto of mutually exclusive promises (lower taxes and higher spending).
    Listening to Sunak yesterday and today he is clearly moving into election mode with the passing of the Rwanda Bill and the announcement in Warsaw of the increase in defence spending to 2.5% by 2030 which has apparently delighted his party
    There was a Budget a month ago. Defence wasn't mentioned iirc.

    And where is the spending review to provide the extra for defence.

    Sunak is a joke.
    You can say that but his defence commitment costing 75 billion to 2030 and his statement he is putting UK on a war footing will be popular with the conservative party and begs the question does Starmer match it and how
    What does "putting the UK on a war footing" actually mean? Are we actually going to be fighting Russia, Iran or C hina anytime soon? Of course not but a little bit of fear helps keep the voters in line. I suspect the hope is all this defence investment will somehow lead to economic growth and prosperity. History shows us it can do for a while but eventually the music stops.
    Sunak did say in his announcement that it would be investment in British jobs
  • legatuslegatus Posts: 126
    Savanta Comres - like Survation - provides UK rather than GB data.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559

    GIN1138 said:

    It's official. My loathing of Sunak has now surpassed that of Johnson.

    Why?
    This defence thing. He literally had a Budget not a month ago and increasing defence was ruled out.

    Now he is off to Warsaw suddenly he plucks 2.5% out of the air without a hint of how it will be funded. Defence don't even know what the amounts are for 2025 apparently. This is on top of saying they will get rid of NI and then blaming the disabled and their doctors for costing too much when there are waiting lists for NHS as long as a very very long thing.

    It is all utter crap.

    Even his St George's day tweet was utterly crap.

    Rishi Sunak is former Freaking Chancellor of the Fecking Exchequer? And visa-versa??

    Clearly he was totally faking back then. Doubt he could do sums EVEN with aid of matchsticks?
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,871
    Andy_JS said:

    stodge said:

    Evening all :)

    Latest Savanta numbers:

    LAB: 43% (=)
    CON: 27% (+2)
    RFM: 10% (+1)
    LDM: 9% (-1)
    GRN: 4% (=)
    SNP: 2% (-1)

    There does seem to have been a slight uptick in Tory support recently.
    I'm to be convinced. Both Deltapoll and Savanta often show higher Conservative shares than Redfield & Wilton and YouGov and moves of one or two points are within margin of error. The Conservatives are oscillating around 25-27% generally (R&W looks an outlier)

    The local elections next week will be more informative I suspect.

    As to whether today's pronouncements will have an impact (as some of the Tories on here clearly hope) time will tell - it always does,
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,871

    stodge said:

    eek said:

    steve richards
    @steverichards14
    ·
    25m
    Tax cuts…tax cuts… increase defence spending by £75 billion…tax cuts..tax cuts…tax cuts.

    https://twitter.com/steverichards14/status/1782834681244721440

    It's a very Reform type manifesto of mutually exclusive promises (lower taxes and higher spending).
    Listening to Sunak yesterday and today he is clearly moving into election mode with the passing of the Rwanda Bill and the announcement in Warsaw of the increase in defence spending to 2.5% by 2030 which has apparently delighted his party
    There was a Budget a month ago. Defence wasn't mentioned iirc.

    And where is the spending review to provide the extra for defence.

    Sunak is a joke.
    You can say that but his defence commitment costing 75 billion to 2030 and his statement he is putting UK on a war footing will be popular with the conservative party and begs the question does Starmer match it and how
    What does "putting the UK on a war footing" actually mean? Are we actually going to be fighting Russia, Iran or C hina anytime soon? Of course not but a little bit of fear helps keep the voters in line. I suspect the hope is all this defence investment will somehow lead to economic growth and prosperity. History shows us it can do for a while but eventually the music stops.
    Sunak did say in his announcement that it would be investment in British jobs
    British Jobs for British Workers? I've heard that before somewhere....
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,027
    stodge said:

    stodge said:

    eek said:

    steve richards
    @steverichards14
    ·
    25m
    Tax cuts…tax cuts… increase defence spending by £75 billion…tax cuts..tax cuts…tax cuts.

    https://twitter.com/steverichards14/status/1782834681244721440

    It's a very Reform type manifesto of mutually exclusive promises (lower taxes and higher spending).
    Listening to Sunak yesterday and today he is clearly moving into election mode with the passing of the Rwanda Bill and the announcement in Warsaw of the increase in defence spending to 2.5% by 2030 which has apparently delighted his party
    There was a Budget a month ago. Defence wasn't mentioned iirc.

    And where is the spending review to provide the extra for defence.

    Sunak is a joke.
    You can say that but his defence commitment costing 75 billion to 2030 and his statement he is putting UK on a war footing will be popular with the conservative party and begs the question does Starmer match it and how
    What does "putting the UK on a war footing" actually mean? Are we actually going to be fighting Russia, Iran or C hina anytime soon? Of course not but a little bit of fear helps keep the voters in line. I suspect the hope is all this defence investment will somehow lead to economic growth and prosperity. History shows us it can do for a while but eventually the music stops.
    Sunak did say in his announcement that it would be investment in British jobs
    British Jobs for British Workers? I've heard that before somewhere....
    I thought that when he said it

    Election on the horizon !!!!!
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,061
    rcs1000 said:

    Nigelb said:

    rcs1000 said:

    malcolmg said:

    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @christopherhope

    BREAKING 210 migrants have arrived in four small boats today in Dover, reports
    @markwhiteTV for @GBNEWS, with two more small boats on the way right now, containing as many as 100 more migrants.

    So, a Rwanda full in one day. Where are they going to send tomorrow's boats?
    From the news on BBC this morning - a boat launched, was turned around by the French, came back to shore, picked up more and then launched again (no French vessel in sight). Clearly if we want to stop desperate people risking their lives crossing the channel we need to beef up the patrols (pay the French more?) but also provide a realistic route that people can claim asylum into the UK from places that these people are from. I don't think Northern France is the right place - we need to have arrangements much closer to the countries people are fleeing.

    But ultimately, the real issue is that in the UK we are extremely lucky. Most of us live a life far beyond what most of the planet can ever hope to. The way to end the migrant issue is to raise the standard of living everywhere else. Much of Africa is stunning, yet also can be desperately poor. The disparity between the life of Turbotubbs in SW Wiltshire and someone from many African states is what is driving the issue.
    Oodles of cash has been sent to Africa as long as I can remember and it makes little difference, the corruption is unbridled and they seem to like shooting , raping and pillaging far too much.
    There's a wonderful book on economic growth in third world countries, that starts with the awesome line: there's only one thing worse than aid to the people of developing economies, and that's the discovery of oil.

    But that doesn't mean there isn't stuff you can do that can make a real difference, such as free trade and support of democratic systems and the rule of law.
    Statistically, having been colonised by the Portuguese, Spanish, Belgians, French or British is probably worse than either of those things.

    It's not as though S Korea and Taiwan never received foreign aid when they were developing counties...
    Just look at the disaster of Singapore.
    Singapore was effectively a British depot for resource extraction from the hinterland; similarly Hong Kong. They don’t really figure in the same category.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,027
    stodge said:

    Andy_JS said:

    stodge said:

    Evening all :)

    Latest Savanta numbers:

    LAB: 43% (=)
    CON: 27% (+2)
    RFM: 10% (+1)
    LDM: 9% (-1)
    GRN: 4% (=)
    SNP: 2% (-1)

    There does seem to have been a slight uptick in Tory support recently.
    I'm to be convinced. Both Deltapoll and Savanta often show higher Conservative shares than Redfield & Wilton and YouGov and moves of one or two points are within margin of error. The Conservatives are oscillating around 25-27% generally (R&W looks an outlier)

    The local elections next week will be more informative I suspect.

    As to whether today's pronouncements will have an impact (as some of the Tories on here clearly hope) time will tell - it always does,
    I agree
  • WaterfallWaterfall Posts: 96
    Ok so its Scott Ritter but this is still disturbing.

    Hundreds of bodies of civilian men, women, and children are being exhumed in Gaza.

    All were shot by the Israeli military.

    Many had their hands tied behind their back.

    Direct evidence of a war crime.

    And yet America is getting ready to send billions in military aid.

    We are complicit in this criminal enterprise we call Israel.
    7:23 PM · Apr 22, 2024
    ·
    403.2K
    Views

    https://x.com/RealScottRitter/status/1782475391820538085
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,653
    DavidL said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    rcs1000 said:

    TimS said:

    Mortimer said:

    On topic, i've just been looking at who is left after a bad Tory GE performance (c.120 seats).

    Wonder if John Redwood might be the fiscal hawk that we'd need after a Labour government reverting to its old tricks.....

    Tories are in no position to lecture anyone on fiscal rectitude.
    I remember old Spock advocating Trussonomics (then called Reaganomics) shortly after his resignation and failed leadership bid. Ken Clarke absolutely wiped the floor with him in the discussion, which surprised me at the time.
    He's recently discovered autarchy too, so his economic philosophy references are eclectic to say the least. Keeps banging the drum for Britain making and growing everything here.
    Had autarchy ever been successfully implemented.

    I mean, implemented in a way that didn't impoverish the population.
    Only cos it hasn’t been done properly up till now. Cometh the hour..

    Apropos of nothing Autarky is dogfood.

    https://www.autarkyfoods.com/

    rcs1000 said:

    TimS said:

    Mortimer said:

    On topic, i've just been looking at who is left after a bad Tory GE performance (c.120 seats).

    Wonder if John Redwood might be the fiscal hawk that we'd need after a Labour government reverting to its old tricks.....

    Tories are in no position to lecture anyone on fiscal rectitude.
    I remember old Spock advocating Trussonomics (then called Reaganomics) shortly after his resignation and failed leadership bid. Ken Clarke absolutely wiped the floor with him in the discussion, which surprised me at the time.
    He's recently discovered autarchy too, so his economic philosophy references are eclectic to say the least. Keeps banging the drum for Britain making and growing everything here.
    Had autarchy ever been successfully implemented.

    I mean, implemented in a way that didn't impoverish the population.
    Only cos it hasn’t been done properly up till now. Cometh the hour..

    Apropos of nothing Autarky is dogfood.

    https://www.autarkyfoods.com/
    Hmm, soya free. And some without nasty vegan stuff. Definitely straight to the bowls of our more carnivorous PBers. Just think how convenient the granules are in the morning, basically breakfast food.
    I met someone in the pub the other night who was investing in a dog food that used insect protein. His reasoning was that people don't want to eat it but dogs don't have the choice. I'm not sure I'd buy it for dogs either, but I nodded and smiled politely.
    Perfectly normal canid dietary element in the wild, in all seriousness. You shouldn't knock it for the insect component alone.
    I ate insects in Mexico this year. They were fine. Sort of earthy and crunchy and tasted like bovril.

    But I don't think anyone, if offered them or a steak, would choose the bug.
    I had sirloin for tea, with onion rings, fried onions, asparagus and potatoes in onions. If there were any bugs there I didn't see them and wouldn't want to.
    I agree but there's no real logic in it. I happily eat prawns and shrimps which are pretty much sea insects when you think about it.
  • legatuslegatus Posts: 126
    On a GB basis Savanta Comres would be showing Lab 44% Con 28%.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,950
    ..
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    Brittany is great fun. I can see why you’d come here on holiday if you’re prepared to risk shit weather (I wouldn’t, if it was my only family holiday - it’s also quite pricey)

    Observations: it can be very bleak. Rundown towns with dying industries. Rows of post covid shuttered shops (as bad as British towns for sure)

    Bretons are short dark and hairy. Not tall red haired blonde Celts. But which is the true Celtic type?!

    Cornouaille really is like Cornwall. Maybe not as intensely pretty in its best spots, but with a greater sense of space and urbanity

    I have spent millions of days there over my life - haven’t done the part you are in. I Mostly go to Dinan, Dinard and St Malo in the north and La Baule in the south (it’s technically Loire Atlantique now but very much considered Breton).

    Dinan is a beautiful medieval river port, Dinard is a very relaxed but actually v preppy/wealthy beach town which is packed with upper class frenchies in the summer, St Malo you probs know anyway and La Baule is very smart beach resort, very few Brits etc, wealthy French for the beaches and casino. Love them all whatever the weather tbh.
    I don’t know them at all so Oooh

    How exciting to have a whole new region of France to discover! I feel like I’m starting an unexpected and highly regarded new season of the Sopranos
    I also need to get my arse to Carnac and might do it this summer as it looks bloody impressive - you will love it, bazillions of big carved stones.

    Also if you are into spas they are big into their thalassotherapy spas on the coast in Brittany.
    Small stones in Carnac, but many, many acres of them
    It’s disappointing isn’t it? I got zero vibes from Carnac and I was super receptive
    Try the Outer Hebrides. Or at any rate the Uists. There are prehistoric monuments dotted around but you need to tramp across the moors with compass and OS map to find them. Very rewarding when you do. Last time I did that the only company I had was a golden eagle. Its a remarkable landscape.
    I know them well and love them all. Though for insular Scottish megaltihs the Orkneys are possibly even better

    They are all better than the rubbish French ones. But that’s partly because - as I say - France is nicer

    It’s like scandi-noir. It works because the climate is bleak and the context harsh

    Try setting a gritty thriller in Monte Carlo or Collioure. Its hard
    For sheer volume of stones the NE of Scotland is hard to beat, not much obviously grandiose but hunners of them. My helicopter mechanic pal who died of MND spent the last 15 years of his life photographing them, drawing them, trudging through muddy fields to find them and even wrote a poem about how he imagined the Neolithic folk might have used them. He like the idea that he might have been the only person from one year to the next that might have visited some of them.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,061

    stodge said:

    eek said:

    steve richards
    @steverichards14
    ·
    25m
    Tax cuts…tax cuts… increase defence spending by £75 billion…tax cuts..tax cuts…tax cuts.

    https://twitter.com/steverichards14/status/1782834681244721440

    It's a very Reform type manifesto of mutually exclusive promises (lower taxes and higher spending).
    Listening to Sunak yesterday and today he is clearly moving into election mode with the passing of the Rwanda Bill and the announcement in Warsaw of the increase in defence spending to 2.5% by 2030 which has apparently delighted his party
    As has been pointed out elsewhere, it's not how much you spend but what that spending gets you that is the key. It's curious to hear Conservatives lauding throwing money at defence and then criticising throwing money at the NHS.

    As for Rwanda, we're nowhere near getting a plane in the air it would seem and the only people gaining in the short term will be the legal profession from all the challenges to the legislation.

    The Conservatives are now so desperate they are promising the sun, the moon and the stars without a scintilla of an idea how all this will be paid for.
    Strange mixture of desperation and utter self indulgence. If the party was already in opposition, we could all point and laugh indulgently, in the way that people did at Labour in the Corbyn era. But, for all that Sunak is behaving like a niche opposition politician, he is the actual blooming Prime Minister. He needs to have a connection with reality.

    "The Labour Party scheme their schemes, The Liberal Party dream their dreams, But we have work to do.” Sentiments like that are why I tend to turn right politically. What would the ghost of Ian Macleod make of this shower?
    He’d say they’ve had a decade and a half to do their work, and fully deserve the electorate’s judgment on its quality.

    And they’ve had more than their fair share of schemers.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,549

    Another day another Poll. Another requiring SKS fans to explain

    Britain Elects
    @BritainElects
    ·
    12m
    📊 Labour lead at 16pts
    Westminster voting intention

    LAB: 43% (-)
    CON: 27% (+2)
    REF: 10% (+1)
    LDEM: 9% (-1)
    GRN: 4% (-)

    via
    @Savanta_UK
    , 19 Apr

    Do you regard this as a bad poll for Starmer?
  • legatuslegatus Posts: 126
    Waterfall said:

    Ok so its Scott Ritter but this is still disturbing.

    Hundreds of bodies of civilian men, women, and children are being exhumed in Gaza.

    All were shot by the Israeli military.

    Many had their hands tied behind their back.

    Direct evidence of a war crime.

    And yet America is getting ready to send billions in military aid.

    We are complicit in this criminal enterprise we call Israel.
    7:23 PM · Apr 22, 2024
    ·
    403.2K
    Views

    https://x.com/RealScottRitter/status/1782475391820538085

    Waterfall said:

    Ok so its Scott Ritter but this is still disturbing.

    Hundreds of bodies of civilian men, women, and children are being exhumed in Gaza.

    All were shot by the Israeli military.

    Many had their hands tied behind their back.

    Direct evidence of a war crime.

    And yet America is getting ready to send billions in military aid.

    We are complicit in this criminal enterprise we call Israel.
    7:23 PM · Apr 22, 2024
    ·
    403.2K
    Views

    https://x.com/RealScottRitter/status/1782475391820538085

    Were such reports to be confirmed , it would be reasonable to refer to Netanyahu's Einzatzgruppen being out of control in Gaza.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,098
    stodge said:

    eek said:

    steve richards
    @steverichards14
    ·
    25m
    Tax cuts…tax cuts… increase defence spending by £75 billion…tax cuts..tax cuts…tax cuts.

    https://twitter.com/steverichards14/status/1782834681244721440

    It's a very Reform type manifesto of mutually exclusive promises (lower taxes and higher spending).
    Listening to Sunak yesterday and today he is clearly moving into election mode with the passing of the Rwanda Bill and the announcement in Warsaw of the increase in defence spending to 2.5% by 2030 which has apparently delighted his party
    There was a Budget a month ago. Defence wasn't mentioned iirc.

    And where is the spending review to provide the extra for defence.

    Sunak is a joke.
    You can say that but his defence commitment costing 75 billion to 2030 and his statement he is putting UK on a war footing will be popular with the conservative party and begs the question does Starmer match it and how
    What does "putting the UK on a war footing" actually mean? Are we actually going to be fighting Russia, Iran or C hina anytime soon? Of course not but a little bit of fear helps keep the voters in line. I suspect the hope is all this defence investment will somehow lead to economic growth and prosperity. History shows us it can do for a while but eventually the music stops.
    If everyone goes onto a war footing there'll be a big war.
  • DonkeysDonkeys Posts: 723
    edited April 23
    stodge said:

    Andy_JS said:

    stodge said:

    Evening all :)

    Latest Savanta numbers:

    LAB: 43% (=)
    CON: 27% (+2)
    RFM: 10% (+1)
    LDM: 9% (-1)
    GRN: 4% (=)
    SNP: 2% (-1)

    There does seem to have been a slight uptick in Tory support recently.
    I'm to be convinced. Both Deltapoll and Savanta often show higher Conservative shares than Redfield & Wilton and YouGov and moves of one or two points are within margin of error. The Conservatives are oscillating around 25-27% generally (R&W looks an outlier)

    The local elections next week will be more informative I suspect.

    As to whether today's pronouncements will have an impact (as some of the Tories on here clearly hope) time will tell - it always does,
    Events at the protest and counter-protest in London on Saturday could have an effect too.

    The Templar-caped Millwall types who graced Whitehall today are receiving big publicity for their contention that the London police are wickedly biased against white patriots such as themselves, but awfully supportive of the pro-Palestinian "lot". That's a message that's going into millions of heads, right now...
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,061

    GIN1138 said:

    It's official. My loathing of Sunak has now surpassed that of Johnson.

    Why?
    This defence thing. He literally had a Budget not a month ago and increasing defence was ruled out.

    Now he is off to Warsaw suddenly he plucks 2.5% out of the air without a hint of how it will be funded. Defence don't even know what the amounts are for 2025 apparently. This is on top of saying they will get rid of NI and then blaming the disabled and their doctors for costing too much when there are waiting lists for NHS as long as a very very long thing.

    It is all utter crap.

    Even his St George's day tweet was utterly crap.

    Rishi Sunak is former Freaking Chancellor of the Fecking Exchequer? And visa-versa??

    Clearly he was totally faking back then. Doubt he could do sums EVEN with aid of matchsticks?
    He was of course Chancellor when Boris promised exactly the same 2.5% of GDP plan a couple of years ago,
  • WaterfallWaterfall Posts: 96
    kinabalu said:

    stodge said:

    eek said:

    steve richards
    @steverichards14
    ·
    25m
    Tax cuts…tax cuts… increase defence spending by £75 billion…tax cuts..tax cuts…tax cuts.

    https://twitter.com/steverichards14/status/1782834681244721440

    It's a very Reform type manifesto of mutually exclusive promises (lower taxes and higher spending).
    Listening to Sunak yesterday and today he is clearly moving into election mode with the passing of the Rwanda Bill and the announcement in Warsaw of the increase in defence spending to 2.5% by 2030 which has apparently delighted his party
    There was a Budget a month ago. Defence wasn't mentioned iirc.

    And where is the spending review to provide the extra for defence.

    Sunak is a joke.
    You can say that but his defence commitment costing 75 billion to 2030 and his statement he is putting UK on a war footing will be popular with the conservative party and begs the question does Starmer match it and how
    What does "putting the UK on a war footing" actually mean? Are we actually going to be fighting Russia, Iran or C hina anytime soon? Of course not but a little bit of fear helps keep the voters in line. I suspect the hope is all this defence investment will somehow lead to economic growth and prosperity. History shows us it can do for a while but eventually the music stops.
    If everyone goes onto a war footing there'll be a big war.
    With regard to what Sunak said today just seen this depressing article from Richard Kemp in the telegraph.

    Ukraine has only six months left
    It looks like, as in previous wars, Russia will have begun badly but finished well through sheer determination

    RICHARD KEMP
    23 April 2024 • 5:04pm

    The combination of huge Ukrainian losses and starvation in munitions allowed Russian forces to return to the offensive and seize the strategic initiative across the war zone. In incremental advances they have made limited but concrete gains at the front, forcing Ukraine to give up ground, as well as causing severe damage to Ukrainian infrastructure through air attacks.

    Now the US and UK have both announced substantial aid packages including air defence systems, long range strike missiles and ammunition. Provided delivery of these munitions is rapid, they could enable Ukraine to stabilise the front line while protecting infrastructure on the home front. This may prove critical in the face of a major Russian offensive in the summer.

    While the new aid packages might allow that to be blunted, they will not enable Ukraine to seize the initiative and go back onto the offensive. One reason for this is that Russia has achieved air supremacy in many areas while ground based air defences will remain inadequate. Another is that a war-weary Ukraine simply doesn’t have enough troops and after more than two years hard fighting seems reluctant to launch the major mobilisation it needs.

    The challenges ahead are almost insurmountable. Russia has a rapidly growing wartime economy and has now built up huge force levels that it is willing to sacrifice to achieve Putin’s goals. If Moscow is able to achieve significant success in the summer, perhaps including taking Kharkiv, Ukraine’s second city, there will be no appetite for more Western spending come the winter.

    This bleak outlook will be worsened by the added uncertainty surrounding general elections in both the US and UK. It looks like, as in previous wars, Russia will have begun badly but finished well through a level of determination so badly lacking among Ukraine’s allies in the West.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,653
    edited April 23

    Another day another Poll. Another requiring SKS fans to explain

    Britain Elects
    @BritainElects
    ·
    12m
    📊 Labour lead at 16pts
    Westminster voting intention

    LAB: 43% (-)
    CON: 27% (+2)
    REF: 10% (+1)
    LDEM: 9% (-1)
    GRN: 4% (-)

    via
    @Savanta_UK
    , 19 Apr

    Electoral Calculus gives a Labour majority of a mere 206 seats.

    Keir Starmer, eh? What a disaster that man is.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,354
    TimS said:

    CatMan said:

    Cookie said:

    Walking up a mountain isn't all hard work..


    Where's that, Blanche?
    About twenty miles east of Sarria in Galicia, near a village called Viduedo

    I'm near the top
    When I saw the photo I assumed Lake District (UK).
    Reminds me of where I live in very exotic South Wales
    There's a look isn't there: mild, wet Western coastal hills. Rich green hillsides of grass and bracken, purple-hazed moors, thick hedgerows, well fed cattle. Similar sights to be had in Wicklow or Kerry and parts of Devon too. Makes me quite fancy visiting Northern Galicia. I've only seen Rias Baixas which is a bit drier and more Southerly looking.
    It's Atlantic Rainforest country.
  • WaterfallWaterfall Posts: 96

    Another day another Poll. Another requiring SKS fans to explain

    Britain Elects
    @BritainElects
    ·
    12m
    📊 Labour lead at 16pts
    Westminster voting intention

    LAB: 43% (-)
    CON: 27% (+2)
    REF: 10% (+1)
    LDEM: 9% (-1)
    GRN: 4% (-)

    via
    @Savanta_UK
    , 19 Apr

    Electoral Calculus gives a Labour majority of a mere 206 seats.

    Keir Starmer, eh? What a disaster that man is.
    Some tory voters get a hard on for attacking the sick.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,286
    Waterfall said:

    kinabalu said:

    stodge said:

    eek said:

    steve richards
    @steverichards14
    ·
    25m
    Tax cuts…tax cuts… increase defence spending by £75 billion…tax cuts..tax cuts…tax cuts.

    https://twitter.com/steverichards14/status/1782834681244721440

    It's a very Reform type manifesto of mutually exclusive promises (lower taxes and higher spending).
    Listening to Sunak yesterday and today he is clearly moving into election mode with the passing of the Rwanda Bill and the announcement in Warsaw of the increase in defence spending to 2.5% by 2030 which has apparently delighted his party
    There was a Budget a month ago. Defence wasn't mentioned iirc.

    And where is the spending review to provide the extra for defence.

    Sunak is a joke.
    You can say that but his defence commitment costing 75 billion to 2030 and his statement he is putting UK on a war footing will be popular with the conservative party and begs the question does Starmer match it and how
    What does "putting the UK on a war footing" actually mean? Are we actually going to be fighting Russia, Iran or C hina anytime soon? Of course not but a little bit of fear helps keep the voters in line. I suspect the hope is all this defence investment will somehow lead to economic growth and prosperity. History shows us it can do for a while but eventually the music stops.
    If everyone goes onto a war footing there'll be a big war.
    With regard to what Sunak said today just seen this depressing article from Richard Kemp in the telegraph.

    Ukraine has only six months left
    It looks like, as in previous wars, Russia will have begun badly but finished well through sheer determination

    RICHARD KEMP
    23 April 2024 • 5:04pm

    The combination of huge Ukrainian losses and starvation in munitions allowed Russian forces to return to the offensive and seize the strategic initiative across the war zone. In incremental advances they have made limited but concrete gains at the front, forcing Ukraine to give up ground, as well as causing severe damage to Ukrainian infrastructure through air attacks.

    Now the US and UK have both announced substantial aid packages including air defence systems, long range strike missiles and ammunition. Provided delivery of these munitions is rapid, they could enable Ukraine to stabilise the front line while protecting infrastructure on the home front. This may prove critical in the face of a major Russian offensive in the summer.

    While the new aid packages might allow that to be blunted, they will not enable Ukraine to seize the initiative and go back onto the offensive. One reason for this is that Russia has achieved air supremacy in many areas while ground based air defences will remain inadequate. Another is that a war-weary Ukraine simply doesn’t have enough troops and after more than two years hard fighting seems reluctant to launch the major mobilisation it needs.

    The challenges ahead are almost insurmountable. Russia has a rapidly growing wartime economy and has now built up huge force levels that it is willing to sacrifice to achieve Putin’s goals. If Moscow is able to achieve significant success in the summer, perhaps including taking Kharkiv, Ukraine’s second city, there will be no appetite for more Western spending come the winter.

    This bleak outlook will be worsened by the added uncertainty surrounding general elections in both the US and UK. It looks like, as in previous wars, Russia will have begun badly but finished well through a level of determination so badly lacking among Ukraine’s allies in the West.
    Election in the UK brings this into doubt? He can go and fucking boil his brains in hydrofluoric fucking acid the absolute fucking twatfaced shithorse.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,620
    edited April 23
    Waterfall said:

    Another day another Poll. Another requiring SKS fans to explain

    Britain Elects
    @BritainElects
    ·
    12m
    📊 Labour lead at 16pts
    Westminster voting intention

    LAB: 43% (-)
    CON: 27% (+2)
    REF: 10% (+1)
    LDEM: 9% (-1)
    GRN: 4% (-)

    via
    @Savanta_UK
    , 19 Apr

    Electoral Calculus gives a Labour majority of a mere 206 seats.

    Keir Starmer, eh? What a disaster that man is.
    Some tory voters get a hard on for attacking the sick.
    Not as big a hard on that repressed homosexual Vladimir Putin gets for young men.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,392
    Waterfall said:

    Ok so its Scott Ritter but this is still disturbing.

    Hundreds of bodies of civilian men, women, and children are being exhumed in Gaza.

    All were shot by the Israeli military.

    Many had their hands tied behind their back.

    Direct evidence of a war crime.

    And yet America is getting ready to send billions in military aid.

    We are complicit in this criminal enterprise we call Israel.
    7:23 PM · Apr 22, 2024
    ·
    403.2K
    Views

    https://x.com/RealScottRitter/status/1782475391820538085

    Exhumed by who? If it’s Hamas I have little faith in the evidence.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,773

    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    Brittany is great fun. I can see why you’d come here on holiday if you’re prepared to risk shit weather (I wouldn’t, if it was my only family holiday - it’s also quite pricey)

    Observations: it can be very bleak. Rundown towns with dying industries. Rows of post covid shuttered shops (as bad as British towns for sure)

    Bretons are short dark and hairy. Not tall red haired blonde Celts. But which is the true Celtic type?!

    Cornouaille really is like Cornwall. Maybe not as intensely pretty in its best spots, but with a greater sense of space and urbanity

    I have spent millions of days there over my life - haven’t done the part you are in. I Mostly go to Dinan, Dinard and St Malo in the north and La Baule in the south (it’s technically Loire Atlantique now but very much considered Breton).

    Dinan is a beautiful medieval river port, Dinard is a very relaxed but actually v preppy/wealthy beach town which is packed with upper class frenchies in the summer, St Malo you probs know anyway and La Baule is very smart beach resort, very few Brits etc, wealthy French for the beaches and casino. Love them all whatever the weather tbh.
    I don’t know them at all so Oooh

    How exciting to have a whole new region of France to discover! I feel like I’m starting an unexpected and highly regarded new season of the Sopranos
    I also need to get my arse to Carnac and might do it this summer as it looks bloody impressive - you will love it, bazillions of big carved stones.

    Also if you are into spas they are big into their thalassotherapy spas on the coast in Brittany.
    Small stones in Carnac, but many, many acres of them
    It’s disappointing isn’t it? I got zero vibes from Carnac and I was super receptive
    Try the Outer Hebrides. Or at any rate the Uists. There are prehistoric monuments dotted around but you need to tramp across the moors with compass and OS map to find them. Very rewarding when you do. Last time I did that the only company I had was a golden eagle. Its a remarkable landscape.
    While I enjoy the reportage of Leon and Blanche Livermore and others sending words and pictures from around the globe - the paragraph above really made me lament the brevity of life and all the years of my youth when I could have been doing things like that, but didn't.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,653
    Andy_JS said:

    Another day another Poll. Another requiring SKS fans to explain

    Britain Elects
    @BritainElects
    ·
    12m
    📊 Labour lead at 16pts
    Westminster voting intention

    LAB: 43% (-)
    CON: 27% (+2)
    REF: 10% (+1)
    LDEM: 9% (-1)
    GRN: 4% (-)

    via
    @Savanta_UK
    , 19 Apr

    Do you regard this as a bad poll for Starmer?
    It's very hard to see the world from BJO's perspective. He cheers every slight narrowing of the polls - one can only conclude he will be happy to see the Tories scrape home again.

    After all, what does another 5 years of Tory cuts, corruption and incompetence matter so long as it comes with VINDICATION!
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,354
    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    Brittany is great fun. I can see why you’d come here on holiday if you’re prepared to risk shit weather (I wouldn’t, if it was my only family holiday - it’s also quite pricey)

    Observations: it can be very bleak. Rundown towns with dying industries. Rows of post covid shuttered shops (as bad as British towns for sure)

    Bretons are short dark and hairy. Not tall red haired blonde Celts. But which is the true Celtic type?!

    Cornouaille really is like Cornwall. Maybe not as intensely pretty in its best spots, but with a greater sense of space and urbanity

    I have spent millions of days there over my life - haven’t done the part you are in. I Mostly go to Dinan, Dinard and St Malo in the north and La Baule in the south (it’s technically Loire Atlantique now but very much considered Breton).

    Dinan is a beautiful medieval river port, Dinard is a very relaxed but actually v preppy/wealthy beach town which is packed with upper class frenchies in the summer, St Malo you probs know anyway and La Baule is very smart beach resort, very few Brits etc, wealthy French for the beaches and casino. Love them all whatever the weather tbh.
    I don’t know them at all so Oooh

    How exciting to have a whole new region of France to discover! I feel like I’m starting an unexpected and highly regarded new season of the Sopranos
    I also need to get my arse to Carnac and might do it this summer as it looks bloody impressive - you will love it, bazillions of big carved stones.

    Also if you are into spas they are big into their thalassotherapy spas on the coast in Brittany.
    Spoiler: it’s not. Carnac and pont aven are the only bits of Brittany I’ve been before

    Carnac is weirdly crap. I dunno why but it is and I love megaliths. There is no spirituality. Think of Callanish or Avebury or Grey Wethers - they all have an intensity

    Carnac feels like megaliths by committee. It doesn’t help that it is surrounded by housing in that sprawling French way (ie pleasant but boring)

    I am actually on the hunt for resonant Breton megaliths for my article so if you know any please tell! I hear there might be some at the end of the crozon peninsula
    Great. I now don’t have to go there which is a nice time saver. Shame though as always looks interesting. Definitely check out La Baule, Dinard, and Dinan. La B is like the south of France without the wankers.
    It’s still worth seeing just as a box ticker and because of its scale - I guess - but don’t expect to be emotionally moved. Tres suburban

    Context is all for megaliths. Here is a stone row I found in Ireland and it nearly made me cry



    That’s the Uragh configuration. Magnificent. Four lonely stones staring at a forlorn and poetic lough

    I wonder if the relative bleakness of the British Isles makes them better for megaliths. Much of France is “nice”. Much of Brittany is “nice”. You don’t want fucking niceness in a Neolithic monument. You want the sense some Druid might turn you into amber and tear out your spleen to make a purse for angel’s teeth
    I didn't think there was any public access to Uragh. Did you simply climb over the fence?
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 5,911

    Waterfall said:

    Another day another Poll. Another requiring SKS fans to explain

    Britain Elects
    @BritainElects
    ·
    12m
    📊 Labour lead at 16pts
    Westminster voting intention

    LAB: 43% (-)
    CON: 27% (+2)
    REF: 10% (+1)
    LDEM: 9% (-1)
    GRN: 4% (-)

    via
    @Savanta_UK
    , 19 Apr

    Electoral Calculus gives a Labour majority of a mere 206 seats.

    Keir Starmer, eh? What a disaster that man is.
    Some tory voters get a hard on for attacking the sick.
    Not as big a hard on (as) that (which the) repressed homosexual Vladimir Putin gets for young men.
    For grammar's sake
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,653
    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    Brittany is great fun. I can see why you’d come here on holiday if you’re prepared to risk shit weather (I wouldn’t, if it was my only family holiday - it’s also quite pricey)

    Observations: it can be very bleak. Rundown towns with dying industries. Rows of post covid shuttered shops (as bad as British towns for sure)

    Bretons are short dark and hairy. Not tall red haired blonde Celts. But which is the true Celtic type?!

    Cornouaille really is like Cornwall. Maybe not as intensely pretty in its best spots, but with a greater sense of space and urbanity

    I have spent millions of days there over my life - haven’t done the part you are in. I Mostly go to Dinan, Dinard and St Malo in the north and La Baule in the south (it’s technically Loire Atlantique now but very much considered Breton).

    Dinan is a beautiful medieval river port, Dinard is a very relaxed but actually v preppy/wealthy beach town which is packed with upper class frenchies in the summer, St Malo you probs know anyway and La Baule is very smart beach resort, very few Brits etc, wealthy French for the beaches and casino. Love them all whatever the weather tbh.
    I don’t know them at all so Oooh

    How exciting to have a whole new region of France to discover! I feel like I’m starting an unexpected and highly regarded new season of the Sopranos
    I also need to get my arse to Carnac and might do it this summer as it looks bloody impressive - you will love it, bazillions of big carved stones.

    Also if you are into spas they are big into their thalassotherapy spas on the coast in Brittany.
    Small stones in Carnac, but many, many acres of them
    It’s disappointing isn’t it? I got zero vibes from Carnac and I was super receptive
    Try the Outer Hebrides. Or at any rate the Uists. There are prehistoric monuments dotted around but you need to tramp across the moors with compass and OS map to find them. Very rewarding when you do. Last time I did that the only company I had was a golden eagle. Its a remarkable landscape.
    While I enjoy the reportage of Leon and Blanche Livermore and others sending words and pictures from around the globe - the paragraph above really made me lament the brevity of life and all the years of my youth when I could have been doing things like that, but didn't.
    Do it all when you're retired Cookie!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,620

    Another day another Poll. Another requiring SKS fans to explain

    Britain Elects
    @BritainElects
    ·
    12m
    📊 Labour lead at 16pts
    Westminster voting intention

    LAB: 43% (-)
    CON: 27% (+2)
    REF: 10% (+1)
    LDEM: 9% (-1)
    GRN: 4% (-)

    via
    @Savanta_UK
    , 19 Apr

    Electoral Calculus gives a Labour majority of a mere 206 seats.

    Keir Starmer, eh? What a disaster that man is.
    He's no Jeremy Corbyn.
  • DonkeysDonkeys Posts: 723
    edited April 23
    Waterfall said:

    Ok so its Scott Ritter but this is still disturbing.

    Hundreds of bodies of civilian men, women, and children are being exhumed in Gaza.

    All were shot by the Israeli military.

    Many had their hands tied behind their back.

    Direct evidence of a war crime.

    And yet America is getting ready to send billions in military aid.

    We are complicit in this criminal enterprise we call Israel.
    7:23 PM · Apr 22, 2024
    ·
    403.2K
    Views

    https://x.com/RealScottRitter/status/1782475391820538085

    Mass graves have been found close to two hospitals in Gaza now - Nasser and al-Shifa.
    UN high commissioner for human rights Volker Turk is calling for an independent investigation:

    https://www.ohchr.org/en/statements/2023/10/comment-un-human-rights-chief-unfolding-situation-israel-and-gaza

    "The latest images of a premature child taken from the womb of her dying mother, of the adjacent two houses where 15 children and five women were killed - this is beyond warfare."...

    "The intentional killing of civilians, detainees, and others who are hors de combat is a war crime."

    The Lemkin institute (who helped expose Iraqi crimes against the Yazidis and Azerbaijani crimes against Armenians) has issued a genocide alert:

    https://www.lemkininstitute.com/active-genocide-alert-1/israel-is-committing-genocide-across-palestine:-active-genocide-alert-condemning-ongoing-violence-in-the-west-bank

    Nobody should say afterwards they didn't know, oh dear, how sad, what a shame.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,656
    Andy_JS said:

    Another day another Poll. Another requiring SKS fans to explain

    Britain Elects
    @BritainElects
    ·
    12m
    📊 Labour lead at 16pts
    Westminster voting intention

    LAB: 43% (-)
    CON: 27% (+2)
    REF: 10% (+1)
    LDEM: 9% (-1)
    GRN: 4% (-)

    via
    @Savanta_UK
    , 19 Apr

    Do you regard this as a bad poll for Starmer?
    Well is all relative but yes

    IMO The final result will be
    Lab 37 to 39
    Con 32 to 35

    Which still results with SKS as PM
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,773

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    Brittany is great fun. I can see why you’d come here on holiday if you’re prepared to risk shit weather (I wouldn’t, if it was my only family holiday - it’s also quite pricey)

    Observations: it can be very bleak. Rundown towns with dying industries. Rows of post covid shuttered shops (as bad as British towns for sure)

    Bretons are short dark and hairy. Not tall red haired blonde Celts. But which is the true Celtic type?!

    Cornouaille really is like Cornwall. Maybe not as intensely pretty in its best spots, but with a greater sense of space and urbanity

    I have spent millions of days there over my life - haven’t done the part you are in. I Mostly go to Dinan, Dinard and St Malo in the north and La Baule in the south (it’s technically Loire Atlantique now but very much considered Breton).

    Dinan is a beautiful medieval river port, Dinard is a very relaxed but actually v preppy/wealthy beach town which is packed with upper class frenchies in the summer, St Malo you probs know anyway and La Baule is very smart beach resort, very few Brits etc, wealthy French for the beaches and casino. Love them all whatever the weather tbh.
    I don’t know them at all so Oooh

    How exciting to have a whole new region of France to discover! I feel like I’m starting an unexpected and highly regarded new season of the Sopranos
    I also need to get my arse to Carnac and might do it this summer as it looks bloody impressive - you will love it, bazillions of big carved stones.

    Also if you are into spas they are big into their thalassotherapy spas on the coast in Brittany.
    Small stones in Carnac, but many, many acres of them
    It’s disappointing isn’t it? I got zero vibes from Carnac and I was super receptive
    Try the Outer Hebrides. Or at any rate the Uists. There are prehistoric monuments dotted around but you need to tramp across the moors with compass and OS map to find them. Very rewarding when you do. Last time I did that the only company I had was a golden eagle. Its a remarkable landscape.
    While I enjoy the reportage of Leon and Blanche Livermore and others sending words and pictures from around the globe - the paragraph above really made me lament the brevity of life and all the years of my youth when I could have been doing things like that, but didn't.
    Do it all when you're retired Cookie!
    Thanks Ben. That's the hope! Or even just after the kids have grown up. I'll be 57 when my youngest reaches 18. Hopefully there will still be plenty of life left in my legs by then!
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,068
    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    Brittany is great fun. I can see why you’d come here on holiday if you’re prepared to risk shit weather (I wouldn’t, if it was my only family holiday - it’s also quite pricey)

    Observations: it can be very bleak. Rundown towns with dying industries. Rows of post covid shuttered shops (as bad as British towns for sure)

    Bretons are short dark and hairy. Not tall red haired blonde Celts. But which is the true Celtic type?!

    Cornouaille really is like Cornwall. Maybe not as intensely pretty in its best spots, but with a greater sense of space and urbanity

    I have spent millions of days there over my life - haven’t done the part you are in. I Mostly go to Dinan, Dinard and St Malo in the north and La Baule in the south (it’s technically Loire Atlantique now but very much considered Breton).

    Dinan is a beautiful medieval river port, Dinard is a very relaxed but actually v preppy/wealthy beach town which is packed with upper class frenchies in the summer, St Malo you probs know anyway and La Baule is very smart beach resort, very few Brits etc, wealthy French for the beaches and casino. Love them all whatever the weather tbh.
    I don’t know them at all so Oooh

    How exciting to have a whole new region of France to discover! I feel like I’m starting an unexpected and highly regarded new season of the Sopranos
    I also need to get my arse to Carnac and might do it this summer as it looks bloody impressive - you will love it, bazillions of big carved stones.

    Also if you are into spas they are big into their thalassotherapy spas on the coast in Brittany.
    Small stones in Carnac, but many, many acres of them
    It’s disappointing isn’t it? I got zero vibes from Carnac and I was super receptive
    Try the Outer Hebrides. Or at any rate the Uists. There are prehistoric monuments dotted around but you need to tramp across the moors with compass and OS map to find them. Very rewarding when you do. Last time I did that the only company I had was a golden eagle. Its a remarkable landscape.
    While I enjoy the reportage of Leon and Blanche Livermore and others sending words and pictures from around the globe - the paragraph above really made me lament the brevity of life and all the years of my youth when I could have been doing things like that, but didn't.
    Don't beat yourself up. Most people do what they can when they can. Your choices are only ever as good as your options at the time.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,128
    Fed up with politicians this evening.

    Exhibit 1: Sky News reporting Rishi Sunk wibbling over the Head of NATO when a journalist asks him to comment on the prospect of a Labour Government.

    'It would not be appropriate to draw Jens into domestic politics."
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jGaf_1jpIQ&t=32s

    This is the same Prime Minister who sent his Foreign Secretary to Washington via Mar-a-Lago to talk to the possible next POTUS.

    Coward.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,128
    edited April 23

    Waterfall said:

    Ok so its Scott Ritter but this is still disturbing.

    Hundreds of bodies of civilian men, women, and children are being exhumed in Gaza.

    All were shot by the Israeli military.

    Many had their hands tied behind their back.

    Direct evidence of a war crime.

    And yet America is getting ready to send billions in military aid.

    We are complicit in this criminal enterprise we call Israel.
    7:23 PM · Apr 22, 2024
    ·
    403.2K
    Views

    https://x.com/RealScottRitter/status/1782475391820538085

    Exhumed by who? If it’s Hamas I have little faith in the evidence.
    I have listened to Scott Ritter on the Ukraine War a number of times. He has consistently been up his butt asserting his own BS, which heavily consists of outright fictions.

    When we have a reputable, independent source I will develop a view based on what I think to be reliable evidence.

    (Is Waterfall our new Putin-bot? I'll treat that as a rebuttable presumption for now.)
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,656
    In Heathener style 5 out of 6 latest Polls showing Lab Lead at 18 or less ("must be a trend")

    9–22 Apr Deltapoll N/A GB 1,525 27% 43% 9% 3% 5% 12% 1% 16
    21 Apr Redfield & WiltonN/2,000 20% 43% 12% 3% 6% 14% 1% 23
    19–21 Apr Savanta Teleg GB 2,332 27% 43% 9% 2% 4% 10% 4% 16
    18–19 AprWe Think N/A GB 1,266 26% 43% 9% 2% 7% 11% 2% 17
    17–19 AprOpinium The Obs 1,431 25% 41% 10% 2% 7% 13% 3% 16
    17–18 AprSurvation N/A UK 1,010 26% 44% 11% 3% 4% 8% 4% 18

    Its not a trend, we are waiting for YG and PP who show higher leads, but hey doesnt stop aforesaid poster claiming otherwise when its a few polls over 22
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 2,747
    kinabalu said:

    stodge said:

    eek said:

    steve richards
    @steverichards14
    ·
    25m
    Tax cuts…tax cuts… increase defence spending by £75 billion…tax cuts..tax cuts…tax cuts.

    https://twitter.com/steverichards14/status/1782834681244721440

    It's a very Reform type manifesto of mutually exclusive promises (lower taxes and higher spending).
    Listening to Sunak yesterday and today he is clearly moving into election mode with the passing of the Rwanda Bill and the announcement in Warsaw of the increase in defence spending to 2.5% by 2030 which has apparently delighted his party
    There was a Budget a month ago. Defence wasn't mentioned iirc.

    And where is the spending review to provide the extra for defence.

    Sunak is a joke.
    You can say that but his defence commitment costing 75 billion to 2030 and his statement he is putting UK on a war footing will be popular with the conservative party and begs the question does Starmer match it and how
    What does "putting the UK on a war footing" actually mean? Are we actually going to be fighting Russia, Iran or C hina anytime soon? Of course not but a little bit of fear helps keep the voters in line. I suspect the hope is all this defence investment will somehow lead to economic growth and prosperity. History shows us it can do for a while but eventually the music stops.
    If everyone goes onto a war footing there'll be a big war.
    I was struck by Mike Johnson's new resolve to push the Ukraine funding through Congress. He had evidently been sobered up by a briefing ftom the CIA about Russia's intentions. Makes you wonder whst Rishi is hearing. Could explain the "war footing" announcement and his appearance in Poland with Shapps.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,620
    Wow. Biden in Tampa on Trump: "He said there has to be punishment for women exercising their reproductive freedom ... maybe it's coming from that bible he's trying to sell. I almost wanted to buy one just to see what the hell is in it."

    https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1782852277780304221
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,129

    Andy_JS said:

    Another day another Poll. Another requiring SKS fans to explain

    Britain Elects
    @BritainElects
    ·
    12m
    📊 Labour lead at 16pts
    Westminster voting intention

    LAB: 43% (-)
    CON: 27% (+2)
    REF: 10% (+1)
    LDEM: 9% (-1)
    GRN: 4% (-)

    via
    @Savanta_UK
    , 19 Apr

    Do you regard this as a bad poll for Starmer?
    Well is all relative but yes

    IMO The final result will be
    Lab 37 to 39
    Con 32 to 35

    Which still results with SKS as PM
    A combined "big two" of 72% looks pretty unlikely to me, especially with the LibDems marooned at 11-12%. (Unless you believe that the Reform vote is going to hold up really well. But if you believe that, it's hard to work out how the Conservative voter gets up to 34%.)

    I would be very surprised if Labour doesn't break through 40%.
  • WaterfallWaterfall Posts: 96
    Dear god elon musk has now tweeted agreeing the west is on the verge of civil war.

    He agreed with this tweet from Gad Saad

    For many years now, I have warned that the path that the West is taking will result in civil war. It might take 5 years, 50 years, or 100 years but it is inevitable. The West could have repeatedly resolved these issues peacefully but it refuses to auto-correct from its path of civilizational suicide. Many Western men who are currently asleep at the wheel will wake up, and realize that they don't like being pushed around in their homelands; they don't like their women attacked; they don't like their freedoms curtailed; they don't like their faiths disrespected. Once this happens, prepare for some gargantuan ugliness. Those who think that they are gaining inroads in the West will soon find out that not all Western men are invertebrate castrati. Save this tweet and never forget who warned you.
    7:49 PM · Apr 23, 2024
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    2.9M
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    https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1782848959993774350
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,129
    Waterfall said:

    kinabalu said:

    stodge said:

    eek said:

    steve richards
    @steverichards14
    ·
    25m
    Tax cuts…tax cuts… increase defence spending by £75 billion…tax cuts..tax cuts…tax cuts.

    https://twitter.com/steverichards14/status/1782834681244721440

    It's a very Reform type manifesto of mutually exclusive promises (lower taxes and higher spending).
    Listening to Sunak yesterday and today he is clearly moving into election mode with the passing of the Rwanda Bill and the announcement in Warsaw of the increase in defence spending to 2.5% by 2030 which has apparently delighted his party
    There was a Budget a month ago. Defence wasn't mentioned iirc.

    And where is the spending review to provide the extra for defence.

    Sunak is a joke.
    You can say that but his defence commitment costing 75 billion to 2030 and his statement he is putting UK on a war footing will be popular with the conservative party and begs the question does Starmer match it and how
    What does "putting the UK on a war footing" actually mean? Are we actually going to be fighting Russia, Iran or C hina anytime soon? Of course not but a little bit of fear helps keep the voters in line. I suspect the hope is all this defence investment will somehow lead to economic growth and prosperity. History shows us it can do for a while but eventually the music stops.
    If everyone goes onto a war footing there'll be a big war.
    With regard to what Sunak said today just seen this depressing article from Richard Kemp in the telegraph.

    Ukraine has only six months left
    It looks like, as in previous wars, Russia will have begun badly but finished well through sheer determination

    RICHARD KEMP
    23 April 2024 • 5:04pm

    The combination of huge Ukrainian losses and starvation in munitions allowed Russian forces to return to the offensive and seize the strategic initiative across the war zone. In incremental advances they have made limited but concrete gains at the front, forcing Ukraine to give up ground, as well as causing severe damage to Ukrainian infrastructure through air attacks.

    Now the US and UK have both announced substantial aid packages including air defence systems, long range strike missiles and ammunition. Provided delivery of these munitions is rapid, they could enable Ukraine to stabilise the front line while protecting infrastructure on the home front. This may prove critical in the face of a major Russian offensive in the summer.

    While the new aid packages might allow that to be blunted, they will not enable Ukraine to seize the initiative and go back onto the offensive. One reason for this is that Russia has achieved air supremacy in many areas while ground based air defences will remain inadequate. Another is that a war-weary Ukraine simply doesn’t have enough troops and after more than two years hard fighting seems reluctant to launch the major mobilisation it needs.

    The challenges ahead are almost insurmountable. Russia has a rapidly growing wartime economy and has now built up huge force levels that it is willing to sacrifice to achieve Putin’s goals. If Moscow is able to achieve significant success in the summer, perhaps including taking Kharkiv, Ukraine’s second city, there will be no appetite for more Western spending come the winter.

    This bleak outlook will be worsened by the added uncertainty surrounding general elections in both the US and UK. It looks like, as in previous wars, Russia will have begun badly but finished well through a level of determination so badly lacking among Ukraine’s allies in the West.
    I'm calling it: it's over for Russia.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,620
    Waterfall said:

    Dear god elon musk has now tweeted agreeing the west is on the verge of civil war.

    He agreed with this tweet from Gad Saad

    For many years now, I have warned that the path that the West is taking will result in civil war. It might take 5 years, 50 years, or 100 years but it is inevitable. The West could have repeatedly resolved these issues peacefully but it refuses to auto-correct from its path of civilizational suicide. Many Western men who are currently asleep at the wheel will wake up, and realize that they don't like being pushed around in their homelands; they don't like their women attacked; they don't like their freedoms curtailed; they don't like their faiths disrespected. Once this happens, prepare for some gargantuan ugliness. Those who think that they are gaining inroads in the West will soon find out that not all Western men are invertebrate castrati. Save this tweet and never forget who warned you.
    7:49 PM · Apr 23, 2024
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    2.9M
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    https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1782848959993774350

    He should focus on fixing his cybertruck.
  • WaterfallWaterfall Posts: 96

    Waterfall said:

    Dear god elon musk has now tweeted agreeing the west is on the verge of civil war.

    He agreed with this tweet from Gad Saad

    For many years now, I have warned that the path that the West is taking will result in civil war. It might take 5 years, 50 years, or 100 years but it is inevitable. The West could have repeatedly resolved these issues peacefully but it refuses to auto-correct from its path of civilizational suicide. Many Western men who are currently asleep at the wheel will wake up, and realize that they don't like being pushed around in their homelands; they don't like their women attacked; they don't like their freedoms curtailed; they don't like their faiths disrespected. Once this happens, prepare for some gargantuan ugliness. Those who think that they are gaining inroads in the West will soon find out that not all Western men are invertebrate castrati. Save this tweet and never forget who warned you.
    7:49 PM · Apr 23, 2024
    ·
    2.9M
    Views

    https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1782848959993774350

    He should focus on fixing his cybertruck.
    tsla reports earnings this evening.
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,275
    Donkeys said:

    Waterfall said:

    Ok so its Scott Ritter but this is still disturbing.

    Hundreds of bodies of civilian men, women, and children are being exhumed in Gaza.

    All were shot by the Israeli military.

    Many had their hands tied behind their back.

    Direct evidence of a war crime.

    And yet America is getting ready to send billions in military aid.

    We are complicit in this criminal enterprise we call Israel.
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    https://x.com/RealScottRitter/status/1782475391820538085

    Mass graves have been found close to two hospitals in Gaza now - Nasser and al-Shifa.
    UN high commissioner for human rights Volker Turk is calling for an independent investigation:

    https://www.ohchr.org/en/statements/2023/10/comment-un-human-rights-chief-unfolding-situation-israel-and-gaza

    "The latest images of a premature child taken from the womb of her dying mother, of the adjacent two houses where 15 children and five women were killed - this is beyond warfare."...

    "The intentional killing of civilians, detainees, and others who are hors de combat is a war crime."

    The Lemkin institute (who helped expose Iraqi crimes against the Yazidis and Azerbaijani crimes against Armenians) has issued a genocide alert:

    https://www.lemkininstitute.com/active-genocide-alert-1/israel-is-committing-genocide-across-palestine:-active-genocide-alert-condemning-ongoing-violence-in-the-west-bank

    Nobody should say afterwards they didn't know, oh dear, how sad, what a shame.
    We all know what’s happened behind the scenes . The west have agreed to go easy and not say much about the atrocities in return Netenyahu didn’t go full tonto on Iran .
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,239
    Waterfall said:

    Dear god elon musk has now tweeted agreeing the west is on the verge of civil war.

    He agreed with this tweet from Gad Saad

    For many years now, I have warned that the path that the West is taking will result in civil war. It might take 5 years, 50 years, or 100 years but it is inevitable. The West could have repeatedly resolved these issues peacefully but it refuses to auto-correct from its path of civilizational suicide. Many Western men who are currently asleep at the wheel will wake up, and realize that they don't like being pushed around in their homelands; they don't like their women attacked; they don't like their freedoms curtailed; they don't like their faiths disrespected. Once this happens, prepare for some gargantuan ugliness. Those who think that they are gaining inroads in the West will soon find out that not all Western men are invertebrate castrati. Save this tweet and never forget who warned you.
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    https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1782848959993774350

    He’s completely right. I sensed it in Paris

    The French, in the end, will not surrender French civilisation. But at the moment the barbarians are close to the gate and still they scoff crème brûlée - and look away
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,814
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    stodge said:

    eek said:

    steve richards
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    Tax cuts…tax cuts… increase defence spending by £75 billion…tax cuts..tax cuts…tax cuts.

    https://twitter.com/steverichards14/status/1782834681244721440

    It's a very Reform type manifesto of mutually exclusive promises (lower taxes and higher spending).
    Listening to Sunak yesterday and today he is clearly moving into election mode with the passing of the Rwanda Bill and the announcement in Warsaw of the increase in defence spending to 2.5% by 2030 which has apparently delighted his party
    There was a Budget a month ago. Defence wasn't mentioned iirc.

    And where is the spending review to provide the extra for defence.

    Sunak is a joke.
    You can say that but his defence commitment costing 75 billion to 2030 and his statement he is putting UK on a war footing will be popular with the conservative party and begs the question does Starmer match it and how
    What does "putting the UK on a war footing" actually mean? Are we actually going to be fighting Russia, Iran or C hina anytime soon? Of course not but a little bit of fear helps keep the voters in line. I suspect the hope is all this defence investment will somehow lead to economic growth and prosperity. History shows us it can do for a while but eventually the music stops.
    Sunak did say in his announcement that it would be investment in British jobs
    Ignore, on reflection - waste of time to try and parse his policy programme for anything coherent and rational.
  • Apparently David Marquand has died. RIP.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,128
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    Uh-oh, it's starting.

    Good analysis, but questionable headlines. At least this one does not mention that the chap is the famous "David Pecker".

    Interesting commentary on how the prosecution seek to frame the Jury perceptions. Mr Trump's lawyers seem to be washing away their potential for credibility, such as it is.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCqtMDDYVy4
    "Trump Co-Conspirator SCREWS HIM to HIS FACE at Trial"
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,239

    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    Brittany is great fun. I can see why you’d come here on holiday if you’re prepared to risk shit weather (I wouldn’t, if it was my only family holiday - it’s also quite pricey)

    Observations: it can be very bleak. Rundown towns with dying industries. Rows of post covid shuttered shops (as bad as British towns for sure)

    Bretons are short dark and hairy. Not tall red haired blonde Celts. But which is the true Celtic type?!

    Cornouaille really is like Cornwall. Maybe not as intensely pretty in its best spots, but with a greater sense of space and urbanity

    I have spent millions of days there over my life - haven’t done the part you are in. I Mostly go to Dinan, Dinard and St Malo in the north and La Baule in the south (it’s technically Loire Atlantique now but very much considered Breton).

    Dinan is a beautiful medieval river port, Dinard is a very relaxed but actually v preppy/wealthy beach town which is packed with upper class frenchies in the summer, St Malo you probs know anyway and La Baule is very smart beach resort, very few Brits etc, wealthy French for the beaches and casino. Love them all whatever the weather tbh.
    I don’t know them at all so Oooh

    How exciting to have a whole new region of France to discover! I feel like I’m starting an unexpected and highly regarded new season of the Sopranos
    I also need to get my arse to Carnac and might do it this summer as it looks bloody impressive - you will love it, bazillions of big carved stones.

    Also if you are into spas they are big into their thalassotherapy spas on the coast in Brittany.
    Spoiler: it’s not. Carnac and pont aven are the only bits of Brittany I’ve been before

    Carnac is weirdly crap. I dunno why but it is and I love megaliths. There is no spirituality. Think of Callanish or Avebury or Grey Wethers - they all have an intensity

    Carnac feels like megaliths by committee. It doesn’t help that it is surrounded by housing in that sprawling French way (ie pleasant but boring)

    I am actually on the hunt for resonant Breton megaliths for my article so if you know any please tell! I hear there might be some at the end of the crozon peninsula
    Great. I now don’t have to go there which is a nice time saver. Shame though as always looks interesting. Definitely check out La Baule, Dinard, and Dinan. La B is like the south of France without the wankers.
    It’s still worth seeing just as a box ticker and because of its scale - I guess - but don’t expect to be emotionally moved. Tres suburban

    Context is all for megaliths. Here is a stone row I found in Ireland and it nearly made me cry



    That’s the Uragh configuration. Magnificent. Four lonely stones staring at a forlorn and poetic lough

    I wonder if the relative bleakness of the British Isles makes them better for megaliths. Much of France is “nice”. Much of Brittany is “nice”. You don’t want fucking niceness in a Neolithic monument. You want the sense some Druid might turn you into amber and tear out your spleen to make a purse for angel’s teeth
    I didn't think there was any public access to Uragh. Did you simply climb over the fence?
    God it was ten years ago. I don’t remember a fence. If there was I jumped it. No one was there to object I was utterly alone (writing about the wild Atlantic way)
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,496
    Chris said:

    Huge misjudgment by Sunak. The lure of a free flight to beautiful Rwanda (plus maybe a bit of a financial bribe) is clearly going to lead to a huge increase in the number of people seeking to arrive in small boats or even swimming across the Channel.

    Sky reported from a refugee centre in Derby and every refugee there said that had they thought they were going to be sent to Rwanda they would not have come to the UK
    How about if they thought there just a tiny chance they would be sent to Rwanda - say 300 out of 30,000 or so?
    The one thing a free country cannot prevent you doing is leaving. If Rwanda is safe this must be true of Rwanda. Suppose if you get to UK there is a 5% max chance of being sent to such a country, where you can always start again on a route to somewhere. This can't work.
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    Carnyx said:

    stodge said:

    eek said:

    steve richards
    @steverichards14
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    Tax cuts…tax cuts… increase defence spending by £75 billion…tax cuts..tax cuts…tax cuts.

    https://twitter.com/steverichards14/status/1782834681244721440

    It's a very Reform type manifesto of mutually exclusive promises (lower taxes and higher spending).
    Listening to Sunak yesterday and today he is clearly moving into election mode with the passing of the Rwanda Bill and the announcement in Warsaw of the increase in defence spending to 2.5% by 2030 which has apparently delighted his party
    There was a Budget a month ago. Defence wasn't mentioned iirc.

    And where is the spending review to provide the extra for defence.

    Sunak is a joke.
    You can say that but his defence commitment costing 75 billion to 2030 and his statement he is putting UK on a war footing will be popular with the conservative party and begs the question does Starmer match it and how
    What does "putting the UK on a war footing" actually mean? Are we actually going to be fighting Russia, Iran or C hina anytime soon? Of course not but a little bit of fear helps keep the voters in line. I suspect the hope is all this defence investment will somehow lead to economic growth and prosperity. History shows us it can do for a while but eventually the music stops.
    Sunak did say in his announcement that it would be investment in British jobs
    Think, please think.

    How much of it would be on British jobs? In what factories? What production lines active right now?

    As opposed to industry elsewhere?
    If the MoD pulled its head out of its arse and did something like order 500 Archer artillery systems, you’d get a factory to build them as part of the deal (made by a BAe subsidiary already).

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