Barak Ravid @BarakRavid British Prime Minister Rishi Sunak told Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu in a phone call on Tuesday that a significant escalation with Iran was in no one's interest and would only deepen insecurity in the Middle East. "This was a moment for calm heads to prevail," he said according to a statement by the British Prime Minister's office
'Blessed are the peacemakers' and he is in line with all the G7 leaders plus Saudi and Jordan
You seem intent on a catastrophic Middle Eastern war which is doing you no favours
Biggest warmonger on the site whether israel or russia ukraine.
Wrong. I advocate the conquest of France & Russia on regular basis.
With our military capabilities I'm not sure we could take the Isle of Man, never mind France or Russia, even though the UK is responsible for military defence of Man.
The sign of having awesome amounts of modesty is admitting when you get it wrong, the opening to this thread is a masterpiece in that field.
You remind me of the man who when asked if it would be hard to keep his new year's resolution to be less conceited, replied 'not for somebody as brilliant as me.'
Truss is a fascinating individual. She rose quickly through the ranks and held high office across a succession of different PMs, and after crashing and burning as PM she kept pretty quiet for quite some time, in what was probably the most dignified way to approach such a humiliation. The very fact of serving under several different leaders easily suggests political flexibility, and yet pretty out of the blue she seems to have pivoted to full on Maga/Reform booster.
What is behind such a shift? Even accounting for career climbing flexibility it seems a remarkable shift, and it isn't necessary to go full Trump to play the right wing candidate in a post election Tory party, so why go that way?
The sign of having awesome amounts of modesty is admitting when you get it wrong, the opening to this thread is a masterpiece in that field.
You remind me of the man who when asked if it would be hard to keep his new year's resolution to be less conceited, replied 'not for somebody as brilliant as me.'
So many people quote Robert Picard to me.
I always thought you needed a little humiliation. Or was it humility? Either would do.
Barak Ravid @BarakRavid British Prime Minister Rishi Sunak told Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu in a phone call on Tuesday that a significant escalation with Iran was in no one's interest and would only deepen insecurity in the Middle East. "This was a moment for calm heads to prevail," he said according to a statement by the British Prime Minister's office
If someone decided to fire 300 missiles and drones to us or USA would we be expected to "keep calm and carry on" ?
We didn't; we helped shoot them down.
Yes, but whether they were shot down or landed on their targets, there would be a singiifcant response against the country staging the attack, wouldn't there?
Particularly is it was America that was attacked.
If it was America that was attacked, the Mullahs would be gone by now.
True, but the difference here is that, while Israel is strong, I do not think is it powerful enough to defeat the Iranian regime in Iran without direct US involvement (and probably leadership).
That puts them at the mercy of a third party nation wanting to take part in another major war in the Middle East far from home. That won't be politically popular in either party.
Also, the United States isn't actively in the middle of colonizing land in the region for a perpetual occupation. Once Israel stops doing that, we can be a bit more willing to help.
Isn't the colonisation of land for a perpetual occupation the way that the USA was created?
As I recall the continent was just a big empty space with a sign saying 'USA: coming soon by God' written on it when the european settlers arrived. Fortunately the few native peoples restricted themselves to the worst areas of land for some reason, and the rest was up for grabs.
Truss is a fascinating individual. She rose quickly through the ranks and held high office across a succession of different PMs, and after crashing and burning as PM she kept pretty quiet for quite some time, in what was probably the most dignified way to approach such a humiliation. The very fact of serving under several different leaders easily suggests political flexibility, and yet pretty out of the blue she seems to have pivoted to full on Maga/Reform booster.
What is behind such a shift? Even accounting for career climbing flexibility it seems a remarkable shift, and it isn't necessary to go full Trump to play the right wing candidate in a post election Tory party, so why go that way?
Of the panoply of interviews, the Farage one is probably the most revealing on her political journey.
TRUSS endorsing Trump - If he does indeed become POTUS he'll be in charge of 50 States, which is one more than the number of days Loopy Lizzy was PM for!
Truss is basically an uber libertarian, probably more at home with ultra small state conservative DC think tanks than farmers in her Norfolk constituency
Con have got to find a way of getting rid of her. She'll just be the gift that keeps on giving... for Labour.
There must be something in the Conservative Party's constitution that says you can be deselected from your constituency if you're proven to be insane?
The Officers of the [Constituency] Association may move before the Executive Council the suspension or termination of membership of the Association of any member whose declared opinions or conduct shall, in their judgement, be inconsistent with the objects or financial well-being of the Association or be likely to bring the Party into disrepute. Similarly, the Officers may move the refusal of membership of the Association for the same reasons. Following such a motion, the Executive Council may by a majority vote suspend, terminate or refuse membership for the same reason
I should think that is a very high bar to reach, given who makes up most associations. When party memberships are so low it's only weirdos who remain, just of different levels.
Truss is basically an uber libertarian, probably more at home with ultra small state conservative DC think tanks than farmers in her Norfolk constituency
What uber libertarian policies has she proposed/pursued?
Truss is basically an uber libertarian, probably more at home with ultra small state conservative DC think tanks than farmers in her Norfolk constituency
Was she always so? Even running to succeed Boris she simultaneously ran on a platform of there shouldn't have been a change from Boris, and we needed massive change from Boris's policies, so I'm not really clear on how much she really believes, and how much is building a brand for future career prospects (which is not an unsound move given the party's position).
I assume her economic stance at least is pretty sincere, given she was so keen she moved too quickly and recklessly to enact them. But socially I'm not sure I've seen all that much.
Truss is a fascinating individual. She rose quickly through the ranks and held high office across a succession of different PMs, and after crashing and burning as PM she kept pretty quiet for quite some time, in what was probably the most dignified way to approach such a humiliation. The very fact of serving under several different leaders easily suggests political flexibility, and yet pretty out of the blue she seems to have pivoted to full on Maga/Reform booster.
What is behind such a shift? Even accounting for career climbing flexibility it seems a remarkable shift, and it isn't necessary to go full Trump to play the right wing candidate in a post election Tory party, so why go that way?
The job of a (successful) Conservative leader is to unite the various wings of the party.
Truss is a fascinating individual. She rose quickly through the ranks and held high office across a succession of different PMs, and after crashing and burning as PM she kept pretty quiet for quite some time, in what was probably the most dignified way to approach such a humiliation. The very fact of serving under several different leaders easily suggests political flexibility, and yet pretty out of the blue she seems to have pivoted to full on Maga/Reform booster.
What is behind such a shift? Even accounting for career climbing flexibility it seems a remarkable shift, and it isn't necessary to go full Trump to play the right wing candidate in a post election Tory party, so why go that way?
The job of a (successful) Conservative leader is to unite the various wings of the party.
Uniting wings is such a 20th century democratic political goal. Nowadays it's all about hating the other wings of your own party so much they are seen as more of an enemy than your opponents, whilst also, when in charge, whinging that factions do not just sit there like a meek little greek chorus.
See it in left and right - more intolerant of internal dissent (not that any leader ever liked it), and monotony more rigorously enforced. At least Truss is making things more interesting I suppose.
Truss is a fascinating individual. She rose quickly through the ranks and held high office across a succession of different PMs, and after crashing and burning as PM she kept pretty quiet for quite some time, in what was probably the most dignified way to approach such a humiliation. The very fact of serving under several different leaders easily suggests political flexibility, and yet pretty out of the blue she seems to have pivoted to full on Maga/Reform booster.
What is behind such a shift? Even accounting for career climbing flexibility it seems a remarkable shift, and it isn't necessary to go full Trump to play the right wing candidate in a post election Tory party, so why go that way?
Money and adulation from MAGA in the states. Maybe thats all there is to it. She wants to be admired.
The sign of having awesome amounts of modesty is admitting when you get it wrong, the opening to this thread is a masterpiece in that field.
You remind me of the man who when asked if it would be hard to keep his new year's resolution to be less conceited, replied 'not for somebody as brilliant as me.'
So many people quote Robert Picard to me.
I always thought you needed a little humiliation. Or was it humility? Either would do.
2024 will be the year Ukraine is forced by circumstances to accept a 'ceasefire', which will become as permanent as Crimea and the Donbas ending up being. A year ago the West still cared enough to realise that and try to prevent it. Now? Not so much. A legacy of the counterattack last year not working out well dispiriting allies, combined with the GOP in particular throwing spanners into the works?
Truss is a fascinating individual. She rose quickly through the ranks and held high office across a succession of different PMs, and after crashing and burning as PM she kept pretty quiet for quite some time, in what was probably the most dignified way to approach such a humiliation. The very fact of serving under several different leaders easily suggests political flexibility, and yet pretty out of the blue she seems to have pivoted to full on Maga/Reform booster.
What is behind such a shift? Even accounting for career climbing flexibility it seems a remarkable shift, and it isn't necessary to go full Trump to play the right wing candidate in a post election Tory party, so why go that way?
Money and adulation from MAGA in the states. Maybe thats all there is to it. She wants to be admired.
Rednecks paying ten bucks a head to see her giving a talk?
She wants to abolish the Supreme Court. Not just leave the European Court. Not just abolish the HRA. But leave the UK Supreme Court as well. I think the only remaining step is to abolish the Senate and send Tarkin in with that new toy he keeps banging on about. ☹️
She wants to abolish the Supreme Court. Not just leave the European Court. Not just abolish the HRA. But leave the UK Supreme Court as well. I think the only remaining step is to abolish the Senate and send Tarkin in with that new toy he keeps banging on about. ☹️
Well, it's not as though the Supreme Court is some ancient institution or something, but I'm not really clear why it would help her cause. Listen to people like Jolyon Maugham and they reckon the current Supreme Court is supine towards government and not standing up to it enough, and would judicial functions being exercised through the Lords again suddenly stop legal challenges or something?
Truss is basically an uber libertarian, probably more at home with ultra small state conservative DC think tanks than farmers in her Norfolk constituency
True, but then Trump isn't libertarian. Her Trump support is telling.
2024 will be the year Ukraine is forced by circumstances to accept a 'ceasefire', which will become as permanent as Crimea and the Donbas ending up being. A year ago the West still cared enough to realise that and try to prevent it. Now? Not so much. A legacy of the counterattack last year not working out well dispiriting allies, combined with the GOP in particular throwing spanners into the works?
I think it's simpler than that. It's all the Republicans and Trump's personal antipathy.
Con have got to find a way of getting rid of her. She'll just be the gift that keeps on giving... for Labour.
There must be something in the Conservative Party's constitution that says you can be deselected from your constituency if you're proven to be insane?
They say genius is close to madness Gin.
Yes... but unfortunately in her case she's just mad (and thick)
How on earth did the Tory members choose this to be PM?
Tactical votes saw her beat out Penny for the final two.
All would have been well with Penny.
Some now believe at any rate.
Hard to imagine it could have been as bad as it was with Truss.
Sunak has been underwhelming, but it's difficult to avoid the conclusion that one reason why he's been poor is he inherited such an utter mess after both of his predecessors had caused major crises through arrant stupidity.
This is a dead cat thread. Yes Truss is bonkers but she is so last year.
Not according to her though.
And every time she pops up, ably supported by Charles Moore et. al, it reminds all the British people why we won’t trust the tories with the keys to No.10 for at least another decade.
She wants to abolish the Supreme Court. Not just leave the European Court. Not just abolish the HRA. But leave the UK Supreme Court as well. I think the only remaining step is to abolish the Senate and send Tarkin in with that new toy he keeps banging on about. ☹️
Well, it's not as though the Supreme Court is some ancient institution or something, but I'm not really clear why it would help her cause. Listen to people like Jolyon Maugham and they reckon the current Supreme Court is supine towards government and not standing up to it enough, and would judicial functions being exercised through the Lords again suddenly stop legal challenges or something?
I may be wrong, but I think she wants to get rid of the concept, not just move it back to being the Law Lords. As in no separation of the judicial and the executive. I figure if she's going to do that I want the full outstretched arms cropped hair Servalan maximum power pose, not just whining on LBC whilst tiddly.
Truss is basically an uber libertarian, probably more at home with ultra small state conservative DC think tanks than farmers in her Norfolk constituency
What uber libertarian policies has she proposed/pursued?
She is anti civil service, wants to slash taxes and the size of the state and is socially very liberal on most issues
Con have got to find a way of getting rid of her. She'll just be the gift that keeps on giving... for Labour.
There must be something in the Conservative Party's constitution that says you can be deselected from your constituency if you're proven to be insane?
They say genius is close to madness Gin.
Yes... but unfortunately in her case she's just mad (and thick)
How on earth did the Tory members choose this to be PM?
Tactical votes saw her beat out Penny for the final two.
All would have been well with Penny.
Some now believe at any rate.
Hard to imagine it could have been as bad as it was with Truss.
Sunak has been underwhelming, but it's difficult to avoid the conclusion that one reason why he's been poor is he inherited such an utter mess after both of his predecessors had caused major crises through arrant stupidity.
I am toying with the idea of doing a thread comparing Sunak to Hideki Tojo.
I just haven't worked out who is Hirohito, Truss or Johnson.
Or who is MacArthur who ensured all the guilt was placed on Tojo to save Hirohito.
Con have got to find a way of getting rid of her. She'll just be the gift that keeps on giving... for Labour.
There must be something in the Conservative Party's constitution that says you can be deselected from your constituency if you're proven to be insane?
They say genius is close to madness Gin.
Yes... but unfortunately in her case she's just mad (and thick)
How on earth did the Tory members choose this to be PM?
Tactical votes saw her beat out Penny for the final two.
All would have been well with Penny.
Some now believe at any rate.
Hard to imagine it could have been as bad as it was with Truss.
Sunak has been underwhelming, but it's difficult to avoid the conclusion that one reason why he's been poor is he inherited such an utter mess after both of his predecessors had caused major crises through arrant stupidity.
That is definitely part of it, and there is probably something in that the mere fact of the Truss ousting wrecked the Tory party reputation both with its own members and the public.
But it doesn't answer for just how bad he has proven to be, the whole point of him was to stabilise things and then rebuild a bit, and he's not even managed that. Had Truss dropped just 5% less in the polls she might still be there, and recovered to a similar degree, and one wonders if she would be going down the political path she now is.
Con have got to find a way of getting rid of her. She'll just be the gift that keeps on giving... for Labour.
There must be something in the Conservative Party's constitution that says you can be deselected from your constituency if you're proven to be insane?
They say genius is close to madness Gin.
Yes... but unfortunately in her case she's just mad (and thick)
How on earth did the Tory members choose this to be PM? I mean, I know the alternative was Sunak and we all see how that has worked out, but jeez.
I think she is genuinely unwell.
The formative event of her career was Brexit, and her friends say the lesson she took from it – having reluctantly backed remain only after concluding that leaving was too risky – was that she should take more risks. Why not, when it was clearly now possible to pitch your tent well beyond whatever expert consensus considered reasonable and be lionised instead of punished – not only by your parliamentary colleagues, but also by the rightwing press and a good chunk of the voting public? The so-called establishment – broadly defined as anyone in public or commercial life unwilling to come along for the ideological ride – might still think your ideas were barking. But the moral of post-Brexit British politics and of Donald Trump’s rise to power was that they could be cowed into going along with it, just so long as you were popular. If the people believed, the experts would just have to find ways through whatever mess you’d made. (Or failing that, they could be sacked, as Truss writes that she considered doing to the Office for Budget Responsibility.) And while everyone in politics to some extent sensed that change, only Truss had the energy and ideological tunnel vision to really push it to the limit.
That Johnson could become and remain prime minister in defiance of everything his colleagues knew about his flaws must have only underlined the feeling that anything was possible. No wonder she wasn’t deterred when her own political agent told her it would be best if she didn’t actually win the leadership contest. No wonder, even now, that she still seems puzzled that it went wrong for her and not for a resurgent Trump, Nigel Farage, Suella Braverman or anyone else who would be a disaster if actually unleashed.
Apparently they've managed to select 6 jurors so far for the Trump trial. Not bad for day 2 when most of the first day was motions and other stuff. 12 more to pick (including alternates).
Conviction of a felony certainly not guaranteed in this case, even if they accept the facts of the records fraud he engaged in which seems pretty solid.
This is a dead cat thread. Yes Truss is bonkers but she is so last year.
Not according to her though.
And every time she pops up, ably supported by Charles Moore et. al, it reminds all the British people why we won’t trust the tories with the keys to No.10 for at least another decade.
She is the gift that keeps on giving.
I'm not sure. We political nerds see Liz Truss popping up all over the place for hour-long interviews but most people do not watch more than one of these channels, if they watch any at all. We might think she is crazy to want to abolish the Supreme Court, for example, but most people will not even hear it.
Truss has Mrs Thatcher's flaw of believing Washington is behind her, ignoring what the President (or Trump in this case) actually says and does.
Her strange, almost French, speaking pattern seems to be returning as well.
She wants to abolish the Supreme Court. Not just leave the European Court. Not just abolish the HRA. But leave the UK Supreme Court as well. I think the only remaining step is to abolish the Senate and send Tarkin in with that new toy he keeps banging on about. ☹️
Well, it's not as though the Supreme Court is some ancient institution or something, but I'm not really clear why it would help her cause. Listen to people like Jolyon Maugham and they reckon the current Supreme Court is supine towards government and not standing up to it enough, and would judicial functions being exercised through the Lords again suddenly stop legal challenges or something?
The fox batterer and his ilk are upset that the U.K. Supreme Court has not declared its supremacy over Parliament.
Which would obviate the need to win elections and things - just run the country from there. Bit like the US.
Truss is a fascinating individual. She rose quickly through the ranks and held high office across a succession of different PMs, and after crashing and burning as PM she kept pretty quiet for quite some time, in what was probably the most dignified way to approach such a humiliation. The very fact of serving under several different leaders easily suggests political flexibility, and yet pretty out of the blue she seems to have pivoted to full on Maga/Reform booster.
What is behind such a shift? Even accounting for career climbing flexibility it seems a remarkable shift, and it isn't necessary to go full Trump to play the right wing candidate in a post election Tory party, so why go that way?
Perhaps she's learned that US audiences do NOT really know about her humiliation, having 99.47% been unaware of her existence before and (especially) during her PMship?
Reckon plenty mistake her for either Teresa May OR Penny Mordaunt, both having far more media exposure on this side of the Atlantic (and Pacific) in the later case due to her high-profile role during installation of King Charles.
It's a theory. But NEVER underestimate the ignorance of the American people when it comes to British politics.
Robert Peston @Peston I am told by DUP that Sunak’s smoking ban is very unlikely to apply in Northern Ireland because of the open border with the Republic and the likelihood the EU will say it is a basic right of Irish citizens of any age to buy cigarettes anywhere on the island. This seems to be an area where the Tory libertarian right would applaud Brussels
Actually, the alternative was Mordaunt if a handful of MPs hadn't been twats.
I well remember contemplating the choice that Tories had when Boris imploded.
1. Penny Mordaunt. A risk. She, alone of all the contenders, could take the fight to Labour and keep the Tories in the game. But unclear whether she had the ability or experience to be a competent PM. But probably a risk worth taking in the circs.
2. Rishi Sunak. The "safe" choice. Man in a suit. Competent, and not likely to embarrass. But not an election-winner in difficult times.
3. Liz Truss. An obvious dud. Tin-eared. Starry-eyed. In the competition because the rightwing factionalists simply had to have a candidate no matter how unqualified. IDS in a wig.
Con have got to find a way of getting rid of her. She'll just be the gift that keeps on giving... for Labour.
There must be something in the Conservative Party's constitution that says you can be deselected from your constituency if you're proven to be insane?
They say genius is close to madness Gin.
Yes... but unfortunately in her case she's just mad (and thick)
How on earth did the Tory members choose this to be PM? I mean, I know the alternative was Sunak and we all see how that has worked out, but jeez.
I think she is genuinely unwell.
That is an easy question to answer. While other ministers were tied down at home, Liz Truss was flying around the world signing free trade deals: triumph after triumph for post-Brexit Britain, or at least, that is how it was spun to Party members.
Truss is a fascinating individual. She rose quickly through the ranks and held high office across a succession of different PMs, and after crashing and burning as PM she kept pretty quiet for quite some time, in what was probably the most dignified way to approach such a humiliation. The very fact of serving under several different leaders easily suggests political flexibility, and yet pretty out of the blue she seems to have pivoted to full on Maga/Reform booster.
What is behind such a shift? Even accounting for career climbing flexibility it seems a remarkable shift, and it isn't necessary to go full Trump to play the right wing candidate in a post election Tory party, so why go that way?
Money and adulation from MAGA in the states. Maybe thats all there is to it. She wants to be admired.
Rednecks paying ten bucks a head to see her giving a talk?
More like corporations & businesses paying WAY more than that . . . and writing it off on their taxes.
The most successful thing Truss did in her time as PM was attend a funeral.
Even the funeral was messed up. In order to diminish her rival, Liz Truss gave Penny Mordaunt the non-job of Leader of the House. It is hard to launch another leadership bid without a spending department to control. Truss would have been astonished to find that after HMQ died, its bundled role of Lord President of the Council meant Penny Mordaunt was front and centre of both the funeral and coronation.
She wants to abolish the Supreme Court. Not just leave the European Court. Not just abolish the HRA. But leave the UK Supreme Court as well. I think the only remaining step is to abolish the Senate and send Tarkin in with that new toy he keeps banging on about. ☹️
Well, it's not as though the Supreme Court is some ancient institution or something, but I'm not really clear why it would help her cause. Listen to people like Jolyon Maugham and they reckon the current Supreme Court is supine towards government and not standing up to it enough, and would judicial functions being exercised through the Lords again suddenly stop legal challenges or something?
The fox batterer and his ilk are upset that the U.K. Supreme Court has not declared its supremacy over Parliament.
Which would obviate the need to win elections and things - just run the country from there. Bit like the US.
Because that is working so well.
The Supreme Court is, in essence, a committee of the House of Lords* rebadged and moved to the other side of Parliament Square. Do those who advocate its abolition want to return to the status quo ante and, if not, what will be the final arbiter of legal questions of application across the UK?
(*The SC doesn’t hear Scots Law criminal appeals because the post-Union House of Lords, as a successor of the pre-1707 Scottish Parliament, found it had inherited no such jurisdiction from that body, but that it had done so in civil matters)
She wants to abolish the Supreme Court. Not just leave the European Court. Not just abolish the HRA. But leave the UK Supreme Court as well. I think the only remaining step is to abolish the Senate and send Tarkin in with that new toy he keeps banging on about. ☹️
Well, it's not as though the Supreme Court is some ancient institution or something, but I'm not really clear why it would help her cause. Listen to people like Jolyon Maugham and they reckon the current Supreme Court is supine towards government and not standing up to it enough, and would judicial functions being exercised through the Lords again suddenly stop legal challenges or something?
The fox batterer and his ilk are upset that the U.K. Supreme Court has not declared its supremacy over Parliament.
Which would obviate the need to win elections and things - just run the country from there. Bit like the US.
Because that is working so well.
The Supreme Court is, in essence, a committee of the House of Lords* rebadged and moved to the other side of Parliament Square. Do those who advocate its abolition want to return to the status quo ante and, if not, what will be the final arbiter of legal questions of application across the UK?
(*The SC doesn’t hear Scots Law criminal appeals because the post-Union House of Lords, as a successor of the pre-1707 Scottish Parliament, found it had inherited no such jurisdiction from that body, but that it had done so in civil matters)
It does still annoy me though that Blair with his fatal reverence for all things Yankeeside chose such an utterly naff name.
What was wrong with 'Judicial Committee of the Privy Council' (which I believe is one name it still legally uses when hearing cases from various Commonwealth realms)? Quintessentially British and no unfortunate parallels to the criminal organisation in DC.
Truss is basically an uber libertarian, probably more at home with ultra small state conservative DC think tanks than farmers in her Norfolk constituency
What uber libertarian policies has she proposed/pursued?
She is anti civil service, wants to slash taxes and the size of the state and is socially very liberal on most issues
What has pointing out institutional issues within the civil service got to do with libertarianism?
Truss's tax cuts, had they been implemented in full, would have amounted to £25 billion being left in peoples' and companies' pockets, from £1,100 billion of government receipts in 2026-27. How is that relatively modest level of tax cut, still leaving taxes at a 70 year high, 'uber-libertarian'?
I'm not really sure if any actual libertarians exist. It typically seems either to be a label applied by someone to a person on the right they dislike regardless of their policies, or a self label of someone who is very much in favour of state power so long as it is applied towards the things they like, or more accurately against the things they do not like.
She wants to abolish the Supreme Court. Not just leave the European Court. Not just abolish the HRA. But leave the UK Supreme Court as well. I think the only remaining step is to abolish the Senate and send Tarkin in with that new toy he keeps banging on about. ☹️
Well, it's not as though the Supreme Court is some ancient institution or something, but I'm not really clear why it would help her cause. Listen to people like Jolyon Maugham and they reckon the current Supreme Court is supine towards government and not standing up to it enough, and would judicial functions being exercised through the Lords again suddenly stop legal challenges or something?
The fox batterer and his ilk are upset that the U.K. Supreme Court has not declared its supremacy over Parliament.
Which would obviate the need to win elections and things - just run the country from there. Bit like the US.
Because that is working so well.
The Supreme Court is, in essence, a committee of the House of Lords* rebadged and moved to the other side of Parliament Square. Do those who advocate its abolition want to return to the status quo ante and, if not, what will be the final arbiter of legal questions of application across the UK?
(*The SC doesn’t hear Scots Law criminal appeals because the post-Union House of Lords, as a successor of the pre-1707 Scottish Parliament, found it had inherited no such jurisdiction from that body, but that it had done so in civil matters)
Actually that is not quite true. They can hear Scottish criminal appeals when they involve a devolution minute, which basically asserts that there has been a breach of a Convention right. It would be fair to say that this power has been used somewhat judiciously but I understand that there is currently an application for such an appeal in relation to the way that what the High Court has defined as collateral evidence is excluded in rape cases on the basis that it prevents a fair trial.
Actually, the alternative was Mordaunt if a handful of MPs hadn't been twats.
I well remember contemplating the choice that Tories had when Boris imploded.
1. Penny Mordaunt. A risk. She, alone of all the contenders, could take the fight to Labour and keep the Tories in the game. But unclear whether she had the ability or experience to be a competent PM. But probably a risk worth taking in the circs.
2. Rishi Sunak. The "safe" choice. Man in a suit. Competent, and not likely to embarrass. But not an election-winner in difficult times.
3. Liz Truss. An obvious dud. Tin-eared. Starry-eyed. In the competition because the rightwing factionalists simply had to have a candidate no matter how unqualified. IDS in a wig.
The rest is history.
The members had a choice of two, not three. Rishi's team engineered Truss into the final two, because she was the weaker candidate. She then proceeded to be much better than him (which to be fair wasn't hard) during the campaign, and he rightly lost.
She wants to abolish the Supreme Court. Not just leave the European Court. Not just abolish the HRA. But leave the UK Supreme Court as well. I think the only remaining step is to abolish the Senate and send Tarkin in with that new toy he keeps banging on about. ☹️
Well, it's not as though the Supreme Court is some ancient institution or something, but I'm not really clear why it would help her cause. Listen to people like Jolyon Maugham and they reckon the current Supreme Court is supine towards government and not standing up to it enough, and would judicial functions being exercised through the Lords again suddenly stop legal challenges or something?
The fox batterer and his ilk are upset that the U.K. Supreme Court has not declared its supremacy over Parliament.
Which would obviate the need to win elections and things - just run the country from there. Bit like the US.
Because that is working so well.
The Supreme Court is, in essence, a committee of the House of Lords* rebadged and moved to the other side of Parliament Square. Do those who advocate its abolition want to return to the status quo ante and, if not, what will be the final arbiter of legal questions of application across the UK?
(*The SC doesn’t hear Scots Law criminal appeals because the post-Union House of Lords, as a successor of the pre-1707 Scottish Parliament, found it had inherited no such jurisdiction from that body, but that it had done so in civil matters)
It does still annoy me though that Blair with his fatal reverence for all things Yankeeside chose such an utterly naff name.
What was wrong with 'Judicial Committee of the Privy Council' (which I believe is one name it still legally uses when hearing cases from various Commonwealth realms)? Quintessentially British and no unfortunate parallels to the criminal organisation in DC.
The JCPC, manned by SC judges as you say, but technically a separate body, has a few other residual jurisdictions but the main issue was devolution. You need a body without the appearance of bias (at least) to resolve devolution disputes. JCPC is, like the Cabinet, technically a subcommittee of the Privy Council, so there’s a conflict with the central government executive - or at least the appearance of one.
Truss is basically an uber libertarian, probably more at home with ultra small state conservative DC think tanks than farmers in her Norfolk constituency
What uber libertarian policies has she proposed/pursued?
She is anti civil service, wants to slash taxes and the size of the state and is socially very liberal on most issues
What has pointing out institutional issues within the civil service got to do with libertarianism?
Truss's tax cuts, had they been implemented in full, would have amounted to £25 billion being left in peoples' and companies' pockets, from £1,100 billion of government receipts in 2026-27. How is that relatively modest level of tax cut, still leaving taxes at a 70 year high, 'uber-libertarian'?
But can you point to any 'uber-libertarian' social policies pursued by her?
You have to start from where you are. Proposing big (unfunded) tax cuts, and with the intent to do more later, is a libertarian approach, even if when starting from a relatively high level, those initial cuts still leave you moderately high.
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Kudos to the PCP for so hurriedly making her an Out of Office.
What is behind such a shift? Even accounting for career climbing flexibility it seems a remarkable shift, and it isn't necessary to go full Trump to play the right wing candidate in a post election Tory party, so why go that way?
Never knew you would ramp the LibDems so much, Sunil. Have they promised free train transport for all?
The unintended consequence of this being that she is embarrassing herself even more.
I always thought you needed a little humiliation. Or was it humility? Either would do.
ZELENSKY TO U.S: WHAT YOU DID FOR ISRAEL - WHY NOT THE SAME FOR UKRAINE?
🇺🇸BLINKEN: IRAN IS NOT RUSSIA.
ZELENSKY:
"I can tell you frankly that we have no chance of winning without US support.
You need to be much stronger than your enemy.
Today, our artillery ratio is 1-10. Can we hold our ground?
No.
With this artillery ratio, they'll be pushing us back every day.
To defend 100% of what's in our control, we must go from 1-10 to 10-10."
Source: PBS News Hour
https://x.com/MarioNawfal/status/1780310689929646112
Coming to a Florida textbook soon.
There must be something in the Conservative Party's constitution that says you can be deselected from your constituency if you're proven to be insane?
https://x.com/mollyjongfast/status/1780215571327451265?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
I should think that is a very high bar to reach, given who makes up most associations. When party memberships are so low it's only weirdos who remain, just of different levels.
I assume her economic stance at least is pretty sincere, given she was so keen she moved too quickly and recklessly to enact them. But socially I'm not sure I've seen all that much.
See it in left and right - more intolerant of internal dissent (not that any leader ever liked it), and monotony more rigorously enforced. At least Truss is making things more interesting I suppose.
https://conservativepost.co.uk/calling-conservative-party-members-deselect-your-mp-if-theyre-not-being-conservative-enough/
Just need ten percent of the membership.
https://x.com/TheSun/status/1779856171916029979#m
https://youtu.be/UFNRUuBARM4
The signs were there
I think she is genuinely unwell.
Truss blames the Bank of England.....
https://twitter.com/DachshundColin/status/1780279144607293454?t=Mrw8Fzk2uV3MTqDiXcMeUQ&s=19
Sorry - it seems to have been posted already
Edam is Mad E backwards.
How did we not realise?
All would have been well with Penny.
Some now believe at any rate.
Sunak has been underwhelming, but it's difficult to avoid the conclusion that one reason why he's been poor is he inherited such an utter mess after both of his predecessors had caused major crises through arrant stupidity.
And every time she pops up, ably supported by Charles Moore et. al, it reminds all the British people why we won’t trust the tories with the keys to No.10 for at least another decade.
She is the gift that keeps on giving.
https://x.com/sobloodyshy/status/1780307936209773017?s=61
I just haven't worked out who is Hirohito, Truss or Johnson.
Or who is MacArthur who ensured all the guilt was placed on Tojo to save Hirohito.
But it doesn't answer for just how bad he has proven to be, the whole point of him was to stabilise things and then rebuild a bit, and he's not even managed that. Had Truss dropped just 5% less in the polls she might still be there, and recovered to a similar degree, and one wonders if she would be going down the political path she now is.
Mother Mary is back. And this time, she will be heard.
That Johnson could become and remain prime minister in defiance of everything his colleagues knew about his flaws must have only underlined the feeling that anything was possible. No wonder she wasn’t deterred when her own political agent told her it would be best if she didn’t actually win the leadership contest. No wonder, even now, that she still seems puzzled that it went wrong for her and not for a resurgent Trump, Nigel Farage, Suella Braverman or anyone else who would be a disaster if actually unleashed.
Correct me if I am wrong but it was the Daily Star that set that gag up.
Widely read by the denizens of the club and wine bars of North London.
Conviction of a felony certainly not guaranteed in this case, even if they accept the facts of the records fraud he engaged in which seems pretty solid.
Truss has Mrs Thatcher's flaw of believing Washington is behind her, ignoring what the President (or Trump in this case) actually says and does.
Her strange, almost French, speaking pattern seems to be returning as well.
George Galloway was one of them.
https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2024-04-16/division/D1D5C2F0-550F-4E63-9CA6-6AE196CC8D9E/TobaccoAndVapesBill?outputType=Names
Which would obviate the need to win elections and things - just run the country from there. Bit like the US.
Because that is working so well.
Reckon plenty mistake her for either Teresa May OR Penny Mordaunt, both having far more media exposure on this side of the Atlantic (and Pacific) in the later case due to her high-profile role during installation of King Charles.
It's a theory. But NEVER underestimate the ignorance of the American people when it comes to British politics.
Even vaster than per usual!
@Peston
I am told by DUP that Sunak’s smoking ban is very unlikely to apply in Northern Ireland because of the open border with the Republic and the likelihood the EU will say it is a basic right of Irish citizens of any age to buy cigarettes anywhere on the island. This seems to be an area where the Tory libertarian right would applaud Brussels
It seems they're putting a lot of shit out.
And I'm hearing grim rumours about their sewers too.
1. Penny Mordaunt. A risk. She, alone of all the contenders, could take the fight to Labour and keep the Tories in the game. But unclear whether she had the ability or experience to be a competent PM. But probably a risk worth taking in the circs.
2. Rishi Sunak. The "safe" choice. Man in a suit. Competent, and not likely to embarrass. But not an election-winner in difficult times.
3. Liz Truss. An obvious dud. Tin-eared. Starry-eyed. In the competition because the rightwing factionalists simply had to have a candidate no matter how unqualified. IDS in a wig.
The rest is history.
(*The SC doesn’t hear Scots Law criminal appeals because the post-Union House of Lords, as a successor of the pre-1707 Scottish Parliament, found it had inherited no such jurisdiction from that body, but that it had done so in civil matters)
What was wrong with 'Judicial Committee of the Privy Council' (which I believe is one name it still legally uses when hearing cases from various Commonwealth realms)? Quintessentially British and no unfortunate parallels to the criminal organisation in DC.
Truss's tax cuts, had they been implemented in full, would have amounted to £25 billion being left in peoples' and companies' pockets, from £1,100 billion of government receipts in 2026-27. How is that relatively modest level of tax cut, still leaving taxes at a 70 year high, 'uber-libertarian'?
What are these uber-libertarian social policies Truss has advocated - would she legalise or decriminalise any banned substances? Legalise prostitution? Raise the upper limit for abortion? If anything, her proposed trans bill is fairly conservative socially: https://news.sky.com/story/liz-truss-furious-after-mps-accused-of-blocking-transgender-reform-bill-13095370
But can you point to any 'uber-libertarian' social policies pursued by her?
That she is obviously a pillock.
It would be fair to say that this power has been used somewhat judiciously but I understand that there is currently an application for such an appeal in relation to the way that what the High Court has defined as collateral evidence is excluded in rape cases on the basis that it prevents a fair trial.