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  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,275
    Disgraceful behaviour by Jackson and Madueke .

    Arguing over whose taking the penalty and really taking the shine off what’s been a very good Chelsea performance. Never seen such pathetic childish behaviour from two players on the same team .
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,684
    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    South Africa — the latest opinion poll makes for interesting reading. Election in about 6 weeks' time.

    ANC 37%
    DA 25%
    MK 13%
    EFF 11%

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_South_African_general_election#Opinion_polls

    MK and EFF are pretty hard-core.
    The DA are willing to form a coalition with the ANC to keep MK or EFF out of government.

    https://www.da.org.za/2024/04/vote-da-to-rescue-south-africa-from-the-anc-eff-mk-doomsday-coalition
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,684
    Nigelb said:

    Trump Media ends the day down over 18%.

    They did announce they plan to sell another 21m shares to raise cash.
    (Along with another 141m shares from existing shareholders.)
    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2024/apr/15/trump-media-stock-price-fall

    Will anyone want to buy them ?

    There's one born every minute, but even so...
  • DougSeal said:

    Where’s Barty to really get this party started? Leon’s constant predictions of WW3 and Barty’s cheerleading for the same make this the happiest place on the internet.

    I don't want WW3.

    Regime change in Iran, which is about as friendless a country as it comes, is both eminently justified and not WW3.

    The rantings that every single conflict is WW3 are pretty stale.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,720
    Not sure how brittle the mullahs' regime in Iran is. There is widespread discontent especially among the youth versus the morality police. Israel could foment internal resistance at the same time as striking the regime
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,664
    ydoethur said:

    Excellent proof-reading failure:

    image

    https://x.com/joshfg/status/1779865469685477884

    BIRTHS: To Mr and Mrs George Brown, a son Thomas, a bother for Susan.
    Ok, I give up. I've read that several times and maybe it's the wine but I'm failing to spot anything wrong with it (ydoethur's post, not the Tory leaflet, which is amusing).
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,251
    ydoethur said:

    Excellent proof-reading failure:

    image

    https://x.com/joshfg/status/1779865469685477884

    BIRTHS: To Mr and Mrs George Brown, a son Thomas, a bother for Susan.
    "How I love their happy smiling faeces."
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,349
    All out war basically guaranteed if Israel attacks directly and openly

    ⚡️BREAKING

    Iran's Deputy Foreign Minister says that if Israel makes another mistake it won't have 12 days, 1 day or an hour, the next slap will be delivered in seconds and has already been approved

    https://x.com/IranObserver0/status/1779963201754464728
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,646
    edited April 15
    Making Chelsea look like 2011 Barcelona is what Everton should actually be docked points for.

    https://twitter.com/paddypower/status/1779958850965184721
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,720
    It's now a game of chicken.
    Do both sides have nuclear weapons?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,173
    Leon said:

    All out war basically guaranteed if Israel attacks directly and openly

    ⚡️BREAKING

    Iran's Deputy Foreign Minister says that if Israel makes another mistake it won't have 12 days, 1 day or an hour, the next slap will be delivered in seconds and has already been approved

    https://x.com/IranObserver0/status/1779963201754464728

    Mandy Rice-Davies surely applies.
  • Foxy said:

    I see Musk is making 10% of Tesla employees redundant too.

    Maybe chumming up to Putin and Trump isn't a sign of a great mind.
    PB's slowest poster and our visitors from Russia regularly used to eulogise about the brilliance of Musk.

    ***Chortle***
    Musk used to be a good leader. When he was actually paying attention to his businesses and supporting Ukraine.

    Then he went off the deep end. And like quicksand in an old film, the more he struggled, the more desperate and doomed he's become.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,577

    ydoethur said:

    Excellent proof-reading failure:

    image

    https://x.com/joshfg/status/1779865469685477884

    BIRTHS: To Mr and Mrs George Brown, a son Thomas, a bother for Susan.
    Ok, I give up. I've read that several times and maybe it's the wine but I'm failing to spot anything wrong with it (ydoethur's post, not the Tory leaflet, which is amusing).
    bother?
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,310
    Nigelb said:

    All I can say is, where is that lettuce now ?
    Long since yesterday's compost.

    QED

    I'd vote for the compost over Truss. Good things come from compost.

    The Tories would have to be insane to vote for Truss. I am with @ Heathener on this. The next election could well be - or come close to being - an extinction-level event for the Tories.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,577
    Nigelb said:

    Trump Media ends the day down over 18%.

    They did announce they plan to sell another 21m shares to raise cash.
    (Along with another 141m shares from existing shareholders.)
    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2024/apr/15/trump-media-stock-price-fall

    Will anyone want to buy them ?

    Still happy days for the shorters...
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,349
    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    All out war basically guaranteed if Israel attacks directly and openly

    ⚡️BREAKING

    Iran's Deputy Foreign Minister says that if Israel makes another mistake it won't have 12 days, 1 day or an hour, the next slap will be delivered in seconds and has already been approved

    https://x.com/IranObserver0/status/1779963201754464728

    Mandy Rice-Davies surely applies.
    Not really

    If Iran says this now they are basically obliged to follow through if Israel attacks. Otherwise an already brittle and fragile regime will look weak. This is one reason why this moment is so dangerous. Both sides have a reason to stand up and fight and be as aggressive as possible, neither regime is secure
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,732
    Foxy said:

    I see Musk is making 10% of Tesla employees redundant too.

    Maybe chumming up to Putin and Trump isn't a sign of a great mind.
    Tesla facing humongous competition/dumping from Chinese EVs. Maybe he should have chummed up to Xi?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,577
    Leon said:

    All out war basically guaranteed if Israel attacks directly and openly

    ⚡️BREAKING

    Iran's Deputy Foreign Minister says that if Israel makes another mistake it won't have 12 days, 1 day or an hour, the next slap will be delivered in seconds and has already been approved

    https://x.com/IranObserver0/status/1779963201754464728

    The stretched twig of peace is at melting point...
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,270
    maxh said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    https://x.com/loopemma/status/1779895498188410924

    Scoop via @BarakRavid:

    Israel Defense Minister Yoav Gallant to Pentagon: No choice but to retaliate against Iran

    That's the logic I worked through this morning, They have to attack Iran to deter further Iranian assaults

    Fucking perilous moment. Probably happen tonight? Let's hope it is just that "surgical" strike and not some disastrous carpet bombing by mistake
    It would be to help Netanyahu not deter Iran.
    I don't think that's fair. If there is electoral advantage to doing so, it's because the Israeli electorate recognise the threat of Iran.
    I was going to contrast the democratically constrained Netanyahu with the unanswerable leaders of Iran, but as we are led to understand that much of the Iranian population would be quite happy to wipe every Jew from the face of the earth I'm not sure it makes much difference in this case.
    It's totally fair. Israel doing another strike against Iran in response to the one against them which was in response to theirs against the Iranian consulate in Syria would have nothing to do with deterrence. It would be an escalation calculated to shore up the position of Netanyahu inside Israel.
    To be clear, I don't want Israel to strike back. I want everyone to calm down and back off. But I think it would take heroic restraint for Israel to do so, and I don't see strategically why it would. And just because such a move might be electorally popular doesn't make it wrong.


    Israel knows now it is in an existential struggle
    and that Iran, and others, are out to destroy it. It
    seems very hard to me to make a case for
    inaction. If they do nothing, they know the bomb which will destroy them is coming soon
    anyway.
    I don't think I really understand this logic.

    As I understand it, the strike was in response to a bombing of an Iranian consulate in Damascus, which any diplomat would recognise as an attack on sovereign Iranian territory. AIUI this attack was relatively unprovoked.

    If my understanding is correct, then putting everything else aside (not least what a brutally evil regime holds sway in Tehran) Iran's response seems quite well calibrated. Fire large numbers of missiles and drones to show your displeasure, but do very little actual damage.

    If Israel shows restraint now, it has scored a strategic victory in my view as, publicly at least, they have directly attacked Iran with
    relatively little comeback. Whereas if it strikes back it gets into a shooting war with one of the few near neighbours with both the firepower and the craziness to mean it really is in an existential struggle.

    “Relatively unprovoked” as in “using it as a command and control centre to direct rocket fire at Israel”? That level of non-provocation?
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,409
    nico679 said:

    Disgraceful behaviour by Jackson and Madueke .

    Arguing over whose taking the penalty and really taking the shine off what’s been a very good Chelsea performance. Never seen such pathetic childish behaviour from two players on the same team .

    On the other hand.
    You could be 6-0 down.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,732

    gabyhinsliff
    @gabyhinsliff
    ·
    57m
    Be honest though, an election campaign with LizTruss & Boris Johnson both volunteering to ‘help’ is going to be amazing, though admittedly not for the Tories

    https://twitter.com/gabyhinsliff/status/1779961934827147667
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,349

    Leon said:

    All out war basically guaranteed if Israel attacks directly and openly

    ⚡️BREAKING

    Iran's Deputy Foreign Minister says that if Israel makes another mistake it won't have 12 days, 1 day or an hour, the next slap will be delivered in seconds and has already been approved

    https://x.com/IranObserver0/status/1779963201754464728

    The stretched twig of peace is at melting point...
    Sky's Defence Correspondent in Jerusalem is called Dom Waghorn
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,664

    ydoethur said:

    Excellent proof-reading failure:

    image

    https://x.com/joshfg/status/1779865469685477884

    BIRTHS: To Mr and Mrs George Brown, a son Thomas, a bother for Susan.
    Ok, I give up. I've read that several times and maybe it's the wine but I'm failing to spot anything wrong with it (ydoethur's post, not the Tory leaflet, which is amusing).
    bother?
    Hah yes of course. How many times did I read that and not see it?

    Prof-reading was never my strong point.
  • Excellent proof-reading failure:

    image

    https://x.com/joshfg/status/1779865469685477884

    We don't know that this was a proof-reading failure. It may be a cry for help from poor old Gerry, saddled bringing up a couple of real little shits. I'd lend her my vote, just to give her the chance to get out of the house.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,732
    John Rentoul
    @JohnRentoul
    ·
    1h
    New votes-to-seats model by
    @TheEconomist
    suggests Lab majority 94 on current opinion polls

    https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1779954381258993871
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,349
    rcs1000 said:

    Foxy said:

    I see Musk is making 10% of Tesla employees redundant too.

    Maybe chumming up to Putin and Trump isn't a sign of a great mind.
    PB's slowest poster and our visitors from Russia regularly used to eulogise about the brilliance of Musk.

    ***Chortle***
    Musk used to be a good leader. When he was actually paying attention to his businesses and supporting Ukraine.

    Then he went off the deep end. And like quicksand in an old film, the more he struggled, the more desperate and doomed he's become.
    From what I heard, Musk fell out with one of his children, who came out as trans. Musk blamed the school (Crossroads) for indoctrinating his child, and this became his "war on woke". Which has taken him in ever darker directions.

    What Musk should have done is simply said "I'll love you and call you by whatever pronoun you like." That being the right thing to do as a parent. Instead, he's estranged from his child. And angry with the wrong people.

    To quote the great MJ Hibbett: But to put the blame on agencies outside won't help. We’ve got to take responsibility for ourselves.
    Nonetheless Elon Musk has made a quadriplegic interact with the world, via Neuralink

    Don't succumb to Musk Derangement Syndrome, it's boring. He is a remarkable man with outsize talents - and outsize flaws to go with. But still a titanic figure
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,684
    geoffw said:

    Not sure how brittle the mullahs' regime in Iran is. There is widespread discontent especially among the youth versus the morality police. Israel could foment internal resistance at the same time as striking the regime

    External threats often rally people to the flag. On the other hand doesn't seem to have worked that way for Bibi...
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,902

    Foxy said:

    I see Musk is making 10% of Tesla employees redundant too.

    Maybe chumming up to Putin and Trump isn't a sign of a great mind.
    Tesla facing humongous competition/dumping from Chinese EVs. Maybe he should have chummed up to Xi?
    Look beyond the headlines. The Chinese EVs have declined sales faster than anyone else, and Nio appears to have fallen over. Musk is an arse with regards to TwiX, but cutting your workforce is just what US businesses do.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,664
    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Foxy said:

    I see Musk is making 10% of Tesla employees redundant too.

    Maybe chumming up to Putin and Trump isn't a sign of a great mind.
    PB's slowest poster and our visitors from Russia regularly used to eulogise about the brilliance of Musk.

    ***Chortle***
    Musk used to be a good leader. When he was actually paying attention to his businesses and supporting Ukraine.

    Then he went off the deep end. And like quicksand in an old film, the more he struggled, the more desperate and doomed he's become.
    From what I heard, Musk fell out with one of his children, who came out as trans. Musk blamed the school (Crossroads) for indoctrinating his child, and this became his "war on woke". Which has taken him in ever darker directions.

    What Musk should have done is simply said "I'll love you and call you by whatever pronoun you like." That being the right thing to do as a parent. Instead, he's estranged from his child. And angry with the wrong people.

    To quote the great MJ Hibbett: But to put the blame on agencies outside won't help. We’ve got to take responsibility for ourselves.
    Nonetheless Elon Musk has made a quadriplegic interact with the world, via Neuralink

    Don't succumb to Musk Derangement Syndrome, it's boring. He is a remarkable man with outsize talents - and outsize flaws to go with. But still a titanic figure
    Titanic is not the adjective it once was.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,409

    Excellent proof-reading failure:

    image

    https://x.com/joshfg/status/1779865469685477884

    She also appears to be concerned about local A road improvements.
    A twist on the usual pointing at potholes.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,684
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    South Africa — the latest opinion poll makes for interesting reading. Election in about 6 weeks' time.

    ANC 37%
    DA 25%
    MK 13%
    EFF 11%

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_South_African_general_election#Opinion_polls

    MK and EFF are pretty hard-core.
    The DA are willing to form a coalition with the ANC to keep MK or EFF out of government.

    https://www.da.org.za/2024/04/vote-da-to-rescue-south-africa-from-the-anc-eff-mk-doomsday-coalition
    Just been reading the EFF 2024 manifesto. It would make Mao blush.

  • Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Foxy said:

    I see Musk is making 10% of Tesla employees redundant too.

    Maybe chumming up to Putin and Trump isn't a sign of a great mind.
    PB's slowest poster and our visitors from Russia regularly used to eulogise about the brilliance of Musk.

    ***Chortle***
    Musk used to be a good leader. When he was actually paying attention to his businesses and supporting Ukraine.

    Then he went off the deep end. And like quicksand in an old film, the more he struggled, the more desperate and doomed he's become.
    From what I heard, Musk fell out with one of his children, who came out as trans. Musk blamed the school (Crossroads) for indoctrinating his child, and this became his "war on woke". Which has taken him in ever darker directions.

    What Musk should have done is simply said "I'll love you and call you by whatever pronoun you like." That being the right thing to do as a parent. Instead, he's estranged from his child. And angry with the wrong people.

    To quote the great MJ Hibbett: But to put the blame on agencies outside won't help. We’ve got to take responsibility for ourselves.
    Nonetheless Elon Musk has made a quadriplegic interact with the world, via Neuralink

    Don't succumb to Musk Derangement Syndrome, it's boring. He is a remarkable man with outsize talents - and outsize flaws to go with. But still a titanic figure
    So was Howard Hughes.

    He's still remembered as an eccentric recluse, despite all the seriously impressive things he'd done before he went mad.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,852

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Foxy said:

    I see Musk is making 10% of Tesla employees redundant too.

    Maybe chumming up to Putin and Trump isn't a sign of a great mind.
    PB's slowest poster and our visitors from Russia regularly used to eulogise about the brilliance of Musk.

    ***Chortle***
    Musk used to be a good leader. When he was actually paying attention to his businesses and supporting Ukraine.

    Then he went off the deep end. And like quicksand in an old film, the more he struggled, the more desperate and doomed he's become.
    From what I heard, Musk fell out with one of his children, who came out as trans. Musk blamed the school (Crossroads) for indoctrinating his child, and this became his "war on woke". Which has taken him in ever darker directions.

    What Musk should have done is simply said "I'll love you and call you by whatever pronoun you like." That being the right thing to do as a parent. Instead, he's estranged from his child. And angry with the wrong people.

    To quote the great MJ Hibbett: But to put the blame on agencies outside won't help. We’ve got to take responsibility for ourselves.
    Nonetheless Elon Musk has made a quadriplegic interact with the world, via Neuralink

    Don't succumb to Musk Derangement Syndrome, it's boring. He is a remarkable man with outsize talents - and outsize flaws to go with. But still a titanic figure
    Titanic is not the adjective it once was.
    There's a Titanic Cafe in Ilford!
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,577
    edited April 15
    After tonight, Forest and Everton now have the same goal difference at -16.

    Everton a game in hand and a point over Forest. But Forest still have the appeal over their 4 point deduction to come.

    But Forest still have to play Man City, so that might bugger the goal difference.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,409

    John Rentoul
    @JohnRentoul
    ·
    1h
    New votes-to-seats model by
    @TheEconomist
    suggests Lab majority 94 on current opinion polls

    https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1779954381258993871

    Why do I get a sneaky feeling both main Parties would be happy with that?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,577

    ydoethur said:

    Excellent proof-reading failure:

    image

    https://x.com/joshfg/status/1779865469685477884

    BIRTHS: To Mr and Mrs George Brown, a son Thomas, a bother for Susan.
    Ok, I give up. I've read that several times and maybe it's the wine but I'm failing to spot anything wrong with it (ydoethur's post, not the Tory leaflet, which is amusing).
    bother?
    Hah yes of course. How many times did I read that and not see it?

    Prof-reading was never my strong point.
    Thankfully, not poof-reading....
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,349

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Foxy said:

    I see Musk is making 10% of Tesla employees redundant too.

    Maybe chumming up to Putin and Trump isn't a sign of a great mind.
    PB's slowest poster and our visitors from Russia regularly used to eulogise about the brilliance of Musk.

    ***Chortle***
    Musk used to be a good leader. When he was actually paying attention to his businesses and supporting Ukraine.

    Then he went off the deep end. And like quicksand in an old film, the more he struggled, the more desperate and doomed he's become.
    From what I heard, Musk fell out with one of his children, who came out as trans. Musk blamed the school (Crossroads) for indoctrinating his child, and this became his "war on woke". Which has taken him in ever darker directions.

    What Musk should have done is simply said "I'll love you and call you by whatever pronoun you like." That being the right thing to do as a parent. Instead, he's estranged from his child. And angry with the wrong people.

    To quote the great MJ Hibbett: But to put the blame on agencies outside won't help. We’ve got to take responsibility for ourselves.
    Nonetheless Elon Musk has made a quadriplegic interact with the world, via Neuralink

    Don't succumb to Musk Derangement Syndrome, it's boring. He is a remarkable man with outsize talents - and outsize flaws to go with. But still a titanic figure
    So was Howard Hughes.

    He's still remembered as an eccentric recluse, despite all the seriously impressive things he'd done before he went mad.
    I take your point, bit I think Musk is waaaaaaay more significant than a Howard Hughes. He's more like Tesla, his hero, or Brunel. A world changer
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,664

    ydoethur said:

    Excellent proof-reading failure:

    image

    https://x.com/joshfg/status/1779865469685477884

    BIRTHS: To Mr and Mrs George Brown, a son Thomas, a bother for Susan.
    Ok, I give up. I've read that several times and maybe it's the wine but I'm failing to spot anything wrong with it (ydoethur's post, not the Tory leaflet, which is amusing).
    bother?
    Hah yes of course. How many times did I read that and not see it?

    Prof-reading was never my strong point.
    Thankfully, not poof-reading....
    I considered and rejected that one.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,646

    After tonight, Forest and Everton now have the same goal difference at -16.

    Everton a game in hand and a point over Forest. But Forest still have the appeal over their 4 point deduction to come.

    But Forest still have to play Man City, so that might bugger the goal difference.

    Everton up shit creek without a canoe or paddle, the possibility of a 9 point deduction looming for administration.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2024/04/15/everton-administration-fears-777-takeover-doubt/
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,091
    .

    ydoethur said:

    Excellent proof-reading failure:

    image

    https://x.com/joshfg/status/1779865469685477884

    BIRTHS: To Mr and Mrs George Brown, a son Thomas, a bother for Susan.
    Ok, I give up. I've read that several times and maybe it's the wine but I'm failing to spot anything wrong with it (ydoethur's post, not the Tory leaflet, which is amusing).
    bother?
    Hah yes of course. How many times did I read that and not see it?

    Prof-reading was never my strong point.
    Not poof reading ?
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,409
    edited April 15

    After tonight, Forest and Everton now have the same goal difference at -16.

    Everton a game in hand and a point over Forest. But Forest still have the appeal over their 4 point deduction to come.

    But Forest still have to play Man City, so that might bugger the goal difference.

    We are dire. However. We've 6 to play. Including Forest, Brentford, Luton and Sheffield United.
    3 of them at home.
    Don't want to need to go to Arsenal final day needing summat.
    Other game is potentially the final Derby at Goodison.

    PS. Everton have an appeal too.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,091
    That’s not bad - after Trump fell asleep in court, ‘Don Snoreleone’ is catching on.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,270

    Two off topic points...

    Firstly, Wor Lass has received an email inviting her to get a Covid jab. High risk groups getting another shot.

    Secondly, I can confirm that the bottle sharing a shelf with three types of balsamic is indeed pomegranate molasses. Organic pomegranate molasses.

    But there us also Sarsons vinegar, HP Sauce, and Heinz Tomato Ketchup in there. So all is not lost.

    If it makes you feel better I have:

    Regular balsamic (organic) for use in vinaigrette

    Special balsamic my wife got me for salads

    Anciene balsamic reduction for dipped bread into
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,275
    dixiedean said:

    nico679 said:

    Disgraceful behaviour by Jackson and Madueke .

    Arguing over whose taking the penalty and really taking the shine off what’s been a very good Chelsea performance. Never seen such pathetic childish behaviour from two players on the same team .

    On the other hand.
    You could be 6-0 down.
    Chelsea are an enigma . Such good individual players and Palmer has been excellent but it’s been such a mediocre season for them so far .
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,720
     
    Nigelb said:

    That’s not bad - after Trump fell asleep in court, ‘Don Snoreleone’ is catching on.

    So Sleepy Joe versus Don Snoreleone - an election of dreams

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,091
    .
    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Foxy said:

    I see Musk is making 10% of Tesla employees redundant too.

    Maybe chumming up to Putin and Trump isn't a sign of a great mind.
    PB's slowest poster and our visitors from Russia regularly used to eulogise about the brilliance of Musk.

    ***Chortle***
    Musk used to be a good leader. When he was actually paying attention to his businesses and supporting Ukraine.

    Then he went off the deep end. And like quicksand in an old film, the more he struggled, the more desperate and doomed he's become.
    From what I heard, Musk fell out with one of his children, who came out as trans. Musk blamed the school (Crossroads) for indoctrinating his child, and this became his "war on woke". Which has taken him in ever darker directions.

    What Musk should have done is simply said "I'll love you and call you by whatever pronoun you like." That being the right thing to do as a parent. Instead, he's estranged from his child. And angry with the wrong people.

    To quote the great MJ Hibbett: But to put the blame on agencies outside won't help. We’ve got to take responsibility for ourselves.
    Nonetheless Elon Musk has made a quadriplegic interact with the world, via Neuralink

    Don't succumb to Musk Derangement Syndrome, it's boring. He is a remarkable man with outsize talents - and outsize flaws to go with. But still a titanic figure
    Obsessing over sunk costs ?
  • .
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Foxy said:

    I see Musk is making 10% of Tesla employees redundant too.

    Maybe chumming up to Putin and Trump isn't a sign of a great mind.
    PB's slowest poster and our visitors from Russia regularly used to eulogise about the brilliance of Musk.

    ***Chortle***
    Musk used to be a good leader. When he was actually paying attention to his businesses and supporting Ukraine.

    Then he went off the deep end. And like quicksand in an old film, the more he struggled, the more desperate and doomed he's become.
    From what I heard, Musk fell out with one of his children, who came out as trans. Musk blamed the school (Crossroads) for indoctrinating his child, and this became his "war on woke". Which has taken him in ever darker directions.

    What Musk should have done is simply said "I'll love you and call you by whatever pronoun you like." That being the right thing to do as a parent. Instead, he's estranged from his child. And angry with the wrong people.

    To quote the great MJ Hibbett: But to put the blame on agencies outside won't help. We’ve got to take responsibility for ourselves.
    Nonetheless Elon Musk has made a quadriplegic interact with the world, via Neuralink

    Don't succumb to Musk Derangement Syndrome, it's boring. He is a remarkable man with outsize talents - and outsize flaws to go with. But still a titanic figure
    So was Howard Hughes.

    He's still remembered as an eccentric recluse, despite all the seriously impressive things he'd done before he went mad.
    I take your point, bit I think Musk is waaaaaaay more significant than a Howard Hughes. He's more like Tesla, his hero, or Brunel. A world changer
    One is a world famous entrepreneur who became one of the richest people in the world and whose technical innovations transformed technology and transportation, while creating multiple side businesses too. The other bangs on about the woke on X.

    Hughes is a Tesla or Brunel too, if he hadn't gone mad and eccentric he'd be remembered for that, but he did so we remember him for being a germaphobe who collected his urine in bottles instead.

    Musk is following a surprisingly similar path. Not the same, but the parallels are definitely there.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,957

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Foxy said:

    I see Musk is making 10% of Tesla employees redundant too.

    Maybe chumming up to Putin and Trump isn't a sign of a great mind.
    PB's slowest poster and our visitors from Russia regularly used to eulogise about the brilliance of Musk.

    ***Chortle***
    Musk used to be a good leader. When he was actually paying attention to his businesses and supporting Ukraine.

    Then he went off the deep end. And like quicksand in an old film, the more he struggled, the more desperate and doomed he's become.
    From what I heard, Musk fell out with one of his children, who came out as trans. Musk blamed the school (Crossroads) for indoctrinating his child, and this became his "war on woke". Which has taken him in ever darker directions.

    What Musk should have done is simply said "I'll love you and call you by whatever pronoun you like." That being the right thing to do as a parent. Instead, he's estranged from his child. And angry with the wrong people.

    To quote the great MJ Hibbett: But to put the blame on agencies outside won't help. We’ve got to take responsibility for ourselves.
    Nonetheless Elon Musk has made a quadriplegic interact with the world, via Neuralink

    Don't succumb to Musk Derangement Syndrome, it's boring. He is a remarkable man with outsize talents - and outsize flaws to go with. But still a titanic figure
    So was Howard Hughes.

    He's still remembered as an eccentric recluse, despite all the seriously impressive things he'd done before he went mad.
    Not to mention Hitler.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,935

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Foxy said:

    I see Musk is making 10% of Tesla employees redundant too.

    Maybe chumming up to Putin and Trump isn't a sign of a great mind.
    PB's slowest poster and our visitors from Russia regularly used to eulogise about the brilliance of Musk.

    ***Chortle***
    Musk used to be a good leader. When he was actually paying attention to his businesses and supporting Ukraine.

    Then he went off the deep end. And like quicksand in an old film, the more he struggled, the more desperate and doomed he's become.
    From what I heard, Musk fell out with one of his children, who came out as trans. Musk blamed the school (Crossroads) for indoctrinating his child, and this became his "war on woke". Which has taken him in ever darker directions.

    What Musk should have done is simply said "I'll love you and call you by whatever pronoun you like." That being the right thing to do as a parent. Instead, he's estranged from his child. And angry with the wrong people.

    To quote the great MJ Hibbett: But to put the blame on agencies outside won't help. We’ve got to take responsibility for ourselves.
    Nonetheless Elon Musk has made a quadriplegic interact with the world, via Neuralink

    Don't succumb to Musk Derangement Syndrome, it's boring. He is a remarkable man with outsize talents - and outsize flaws to go with. But still a titanic figure
    Titanic is not the adjective it once was.
    There's a Titanic Cafe in Ilford!
    Do they serve ice in their drinks?
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,226

    .

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Foxy said:

    I see Musk is making 10% of Tesla employees redundant too.

    Maybe chumming up to Putin and Trump isn't a sign of a great mind.
    PB's slowest poster and our visitors from Russia regularly used to eulogise about the brilliance of Musk.

    ***Chortle***
    Musk used to be a good leader. When he was actually paying attention to his businesses and supporting Ukraine.

    Then he went off the deep end. And like quicksand in an old film, the more he struggled, the more desperate and doomed he's become.
    From what I heard, Musk fell out with one of his children, who came out as trans. Musk blamed the school (Crossroads) for indoctrinating his child, and this became his "war on woke". Which has taken him in ever darker directions.

    What Musk should have done is simply said "I'll love you and call you by whatever pronoun you like." That being the right thing to do as a parent. Instead, he's estranged from his child. And angry with the wrong people.

    To quote the great MJ Hibbett: But to put the blame on agencies outside won't help. We’ve got to take responsibility for ourselves.
    Nonetheless Elon Musk has made a quadriplegic interact with the world, via Neuralink

    Don't succumb to Musk Derangement Syndrome, it's boring. He is a remarkable man with outsize talents - and outsize flaws to go with. But still a titanic figure
    So was Howard Hughes.

    He's still remembered as an eccentric recluse, despite all the seriously impressive things he'd done before he went mad.
    I take your point, bit I think Musk is waaaaaaay more significant than a Howard Hughes. He's more like Tesla, his hero, or Brunel. A world changer
    One is a world famous entrepreneur who became one of the richest people in the world and whose technical innovations transformed technology and transportation, while creating multiple side businesses too. The other bangs on about the woke on X.

    Hughes is a Tesla or Brunel too, if he hadn't gone mad and eccentric he'd be remembered for that, but he did so we remember him for being a germaphobe who collected his urine in bottles instead.

    Musk is following a surprisingly similar path. Not the same, but the parallels are definitely there.
    Musk's other problem is that, far from going mad reclusively, he is putting a great deal of effort into making sure that everyone knows.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,349
    edited April 15
    Nigelb said:

    .

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Foxy said:

    I see Musk is making 10% of Tesla employees redundant too.

    Maybe chumming up to Putin and Trump isn't a sign of a great mind.
    PB's slowest poster and our visitors from Russia regularly used to eulogise about the brilliance of Musk.

    ***Chortle***
    Musk used to be a good leader. When he was actually paying attention to his businesses and supporting Ukraine.

    Then he went off the deep end. And like quicksand in an old film, the more he struggled, the more desperate and doomed he's become.
    From what I heard, Musk fell out with one of his children, who came out as trans. Musk blamed the school (Crossroads) for indoctrinating his child, and this became his "war on woke". Which has taken him in ever darker directions.

    What Musk should have done is simply said "I'll love you and call you by whatever pronoun you like." That being the right thing to do as a parent. Instead, he's estranged from his child. And angry with the wrong people.

    To quote the great MJ Hibbett: But to put the blame on agencies outside won't help. We’ve got to take responsibility for ourselves.
    Nonetheless Elon Musk has made a quadriplegic interact with the world, via Neuralink

    Don't succumb to Musk Derangement Syndrome, it's boring. He is a remarkable man with outsize talents - and outsize flaws to go with. But still a titanic figure
    Obsessing over sunk costs ?
    People who claim Musk is somehow stupid or useless or a loser or unimportant - simply because they dislike his behaviour around TwiX and politix - are the most boringly midwitted fuckers on earth. I am trying to save what few I can on PB, and take them to the limited Titanic lifeboats of intellectual rescue

    And yes I accept Musk is a twat and makes horrendous errors, the same way Churchill was an alcoholic, Abe Lincoln was a racist, and Byron buggered 12 year old boys. Smart people often do bad stuff
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,409

    .

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Foxy said:

    I see Musk is making 10% of Tesla employees redundant too.

    Maybe chumming up to Putin and Trump isn't a sign of a great mind.
    PB's slowest poster and our visitors from Russia regularly used to eulogise about the brilliance of Musk.

    ***Chortle***
    Musk used to be a good leader. When he was actually paying attention to his businesses and supporting Ukraine.

    Then he went off the deep end. And like quicksand in an old film, the more he struggled, the more desperate and doomed he's become.
    From what I heard, Musk fell out with one of his children, who came out as trans. Musk blamed the school (Crossroads) for indoctrinating his child, and this became his "war on woke". Which has taken him in ever darker directions.

    What Musk should have done is simply said "I'll love you and call you by whatever pronoun you like." That being the right thing to do as a parent. Instead, he's estranged from his child. And angry with the wrong people.

    To quote the great MJ Hibbett: But to put the blame on agencies outside won't help. We’ve got to take responsibility for ourselves.
    Nonetheless Elon Musk has made a quadriplegic interact with the world, via Neuralink

    Don't succumb to Musk Derangement Syndrome, it's boring. He is a remarkable man with outsize talents - and outsize flaws to go with. But still a titanic figure
    So was Howard Hughes.

    He's still remembered as an eccentric recluse, despite all the seriously impressive things he'd done before he went mad.
    I take your point, bit I think Musk is waaaaaaay more significant than a Howard Hughes. He's more like Tesla, his hero, or Brunel. A world changer
    One is a world famous entrepreneur who became one of the richest people in the world and whose technical innovations transformed technology and transportation, while creating multiple side businesses too. The other bangs on about the woke on X.

    Hughes is a Tesla or Brunel too, if he hadn't gone mad and eccentric he'd be remembered for that, but he did so we remember him for being a germaphobe who collected his urine in bottles instead.

    Musk is following a surprisingly similar path. Not the same, but the parallels are definitely there.
    If he causes a film to be made the equal of Citizen Kane then we can assess properly.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,664
    Nigelb said:

    .

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Foxy said:

    I see Musk is making 10% of Tesla employees redundant too.

    Maybe chumming up to Putin and Trump isn't a sign of a great mind.
    PB's slowest poster and our visitors from Russia regularly used to eulogise about the brilliance of Musk.

    ***Chortle***
    Musk used to be a good leader. When he was actually paying attention to his businesses and supporting Ukraine.

    Then he went off the deep end. And like quicksand in an old film, the more he struggled, the more desperate and doomed he's become.
    From what I heard, Musk fell out with one of his children, who came out as trans. Musk blamed the school (Crossroads) for indoctrinating his child, and this became his "war on woke". Which has taken him in ever darker directions.

    What Musk should have done is simply said "I'll love you and call you by whatever pronoun you like." That being the right thing to do as a parent. Instead, he's estranged from his child. And angry with the wrong people.

    To quote the great MJ Hibbett: But to put the blame on agencies outside won't help. We’ve got to take responsibility for ourselves.
    Nonetheless Elon Musk has made a quadriplegic interact with the world, via Neuralink

    Don't succumb to Musk Derangement Syndrome, it's boring. He is a remarkable man with outsize talents - and outsize flaws to go with. But still a titanic figure
    Obsessing over sunk costs ?
    Changing Twitter to X has to count as a classic deckchair rearrangement activity.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,099

    .

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Foxy said:

    I see Musk is making 10% of Tesla employees redundant too.

    Maybe chumming up to Putin and Trump isn't a sign of a great mind.
    PB's slowest poster and our visitors from Russia regularly used to eulogise about the brilliance of Musk.

    ***Chortle***
    Musk used to be a good leader. When he was actually paying attention to his businesses and supporting Ukraine.

    Then he went off the deep end. And like quicksand in an old film, the more he struggled, the more desperate and doomed he's become.
    From what I heard, Musk fell out with one of his children, who came out as trans. Musk blamed the school (Crossroads) for indoctrinating his child, and this became his "war on woke". Which has taken him in ever darker directions.

    What Musk should have done is simply said "I'll love you and call you by whatever pronoun you like." That being the right thing to do as a parent. Instead, he's estranged from his child. And angry with the wrong people.

    To quote the great MJ Hibbett: But to put the blame on agencies outside won't help. We’ve got to take responsibility for ourselves.
    Nonetheless Elon Musk has made a quadriplegic interact with the world, via Neuralink

    Don't succumb to Musk Derangement Syndrome, it's boring. He is a remarkable man with outsize talents - and outsize flaws to go with. But still a titanic figure
    So was Howard Hughes.

    He's still remembered as an eccentric recluse, despite all the seriously impressive things he'd done before he went mad.
    I take your point, bit I think Musk is waaaaaaay more significant than a Howard Hughes. He's more like Tesla, his hero, or Brunel. A world changer
    One is a world famous entrepreneur who became one of the richest people in the world and whose technical innovations transformed technology and transportation, while creating multiple side businesses too. The other bangs on about the woke on X.

    Hughes is a Tesla or Brunel too, if he hadn't gone mad and eccentric he'd be remembered for that, but he did so we remember him for being a germaphobe who collected his urine in bottles instead.

    Musk is following a surprisingly similar path. Not the same, but the parallels are definitely there.
    Musk's other problem is that, far from going mad reclusively, he is putting a great deal of effort into making sure that everyone knows.
    It wouldn't be fun if you can't share.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,270
    rcs1000 said:

    https://x.com/derjamesjackson/status/1779944743587488150

    Yanis Varoufakis has been banned from entering Germany, with the Interior Ministry answering: “Anyone who spreads Islamist propaganda & hatred against Jews must know that such crimes will be prosecuted quickly and consistently. Antisemitic & Islamist crimes will not be tolerated”

    Hero to zero.
    He spread an awful lot of bullshit during the Eurozone crisis too.
    Like when he claimed “Common People” was about his wife?
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,409
    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Foxy said:

    I see Musk is making 10% of Tesla employees redundant too.

    Maybe chumming up to Putin and Trump isn't a sign of a great mind.
    PB's slowest poster and our visitors from Russia regularly used to eulogise about the brilliance of Musk.

    ***Chortle***
    Musk used to be a good leader. When he was actually paying attention to his businesses and supporting Ukraine.

    Then he went off the deep end. And like quicksand in an old film, the more he struggled, the more desperate and doomed he's become.
    From what I heard, Musk fell out with one of his children, who came out as trans. Musk blamed the school (Crossroads) for indoctrinating his child, and this became his "war on woke". Which has taken him in ever darker directions.

    What Musk should have done is simply said "I'll love you and call you by whatever pronoun you like." That being the right thing to do as a parent. Instead, he's estranged from his child. And angry with the wrong people.

    To quote the great MJ Hibbett: But to put the blame on agencies outside won't help. We’ve got to take responsibility for ourselves.
    Nonetheless Elon Musk has made a quadriplegic interact with the world, via Neuralink

    Don't succumb to Musk Derangement Syndrome, it's boring. He is a remarkable man with outsize talents - and outsize flaws to go with. But still a titanic figure
    So was Howard Hughes.

    He's still remembered as an eccentric recluse, despite all the seriously impressive things he'd done before he went mad.
    Not to mention Hitler.
    Mr Livingstone I presume?
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,996
    edited April 15

    Two off topic points...

    Firstly, Wor Lass has received an email inviting her to get a Covid jab. High risk groups getting another shot.

    Secondly, I can confirm that the bottle sharing a shelf with three types of balsamic is indeed pomegranate molasses. Organic pomegranate molasses.

    But there us also Sarsons vinegar, HP Sauce, and Heinz Tomato Ketchup in there. So all is not lost.

    If it makes you feel better I have:

    Regular balsamic (organic) for use in vinaigrette

    Special balsamic my wife got me for salads

    Anciene balsamic reduction for dipped bread into
    Top tip (which I've only done once as the process really attacks your nostrils, but it worked a treat): buy a big bottle of normal cheap balsamic from Lidl, then boil it down in a pan until it's syrupy. Hey presto, posh syrupy balsamic reduction.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,349
    TimS said:

    Two off topic points...

    Firstly, Wor Lass has received an email inviting her to get a Covid jab. High risk groups getting another shot.

    Secondly, I can confirm that the bottle sharing a shelf with three types of balsamic is indeed pomegranate molasses. Organic pomegranate molasses.

    But there us also Sarsons vinegar, HP Sauce, and Heinz Tomato Ketchup in there. So all is not lost.

    If it makes you feel better I have:

    Regular balsamic (organic) for use in vinaigrette

    Special balsamic my wife got me for salads

    Anciene balsamic reduction for dipped bread into
    Top tip (which I've only done once as the process really attacks your nostrils, but it worked a treat): buy a big bottle of normal cheap balsamic from Lidl, then boil it down in a pan until it's syrupy. Hey presto, posh syrupy balsamic reduction.
    Top tip: make loads of money, maybe £500k in a really good year, then just buy fancy shitloads of massively expensive balsamic vinegar
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,385
    dixiedean said:

    After tonight, Forest and Everton now have the same goal difference at -16.

    Everton a game in hand and a point over Forest. But Forest still have the appeal over their 4 point deduction to come.

    But Forest still have to play Man City, so that might bugger the goal difference.

    We are dire. However. We've 6 to play. Including Forest, Brentford, Luton and Sheffield United.
    3 of them at home.
    Don't want to need to go to Arsenal final day needing summat.
    Other game is potentially the final Derby at Goodison.

    PS. Everton have an appeal too.
    Only to you, I fear.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,978
    dixiedean said:

    .

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Foxy said:

    I see Musk is making 10% of Tesla employees redundant too.

    Maybe chumming up to Putin and Trump isn't a sign of a great mind.
    PB's slowest poster and our visitors from Russia regularly used to eulogise about the brilliance of Musk.

    ***Chortle***
    Musk used to be a good leader. When he was actually paying attention to his businesses and supporting Ukraine.

    Then he went off the deep end. And like quicksand in an old film, the more he struggled, the more desperate and doomed he's become.
    From what I heard, Musk fell out with one of his children, who came out as trans. Musk blamed the school (Crossroads) for indoctrinating his child, and this became his "war on woke". Which has taken him in ever darker directions.

    What Musk should have done is simply said "I'll love you and call you by whatever pronoun you like." That being the right thing to do as a parent. Instead, he's estranged from his child. And angry with the wrong people.

    To quote the great MJ Hibbett: But to put the blame on agencies outside won't help. We’ve got to take responsibility for ourselves.
    Nonetheless Elon Musk has made a quadriplegic interact with the world, via Neuralink

    Don't succumb to Musk Derangement Syndrome, it's boring. He is a remarkable man with outsize talents - and outsize flaws to go with. But still a titanic figure
    So was Howard Hughes.

    He's still remembered as an eccentric recluse, despite all the seriously impressive things he'd done before he went mad.
    I take your point, bit I think Musk is waaaaaaay more significant than a Howard Hughes. He's more like Tesla, his hero, or Brunel. A world changer
    One is a world famous entrepreneur who became one of the richest people in the world and whose technical innovations transformed technology and transportation, while creating multiple side businesses too. The other bangs on about the woke on X.

    Hughes is a Tesla or Brunel too, if he hadn't gone mad and eccentric he'd be remembered for that, but he did so we remember him for being a germaphobe who collected his urine in bottles instead.

    Musk is following a surprisingly similar path. Not the same, but the parallels are definitely there.
    If he causes a film to be made the equal of Citizen Kane then we can assess properly.
    Or a bra to support the assets of another Jane Russell


  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,732
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Foxy said:

    I see Musk is making 10% of Tesla employees redundant too.

    Maybe chumming up to Putin and Trump isn't a sign of a great mind.
    PB's slowest poster and our visitors from Russia regularly used to eulogise about the brilliance of Musk.

    ***Chortle***
    Musk used to be a good leader. When he was actually paying attention to his businesses and supporting Ukraine.

    Then he went off the deep end. And like quicksand in an old film, the more he struggled, the more desperate and doomed he's become.
    From what I heard, Musk fell out with one of his children, who came out as trans. Musk blamed the school (Crossroads) for indoctrinating his child, and this became his "war on woke". Which has taken him in ever darker directions.

    What Musk should have done is simply said "I'll love you and call you by whatever pronoun you like." That being the right thing to do as a parent. Instead, he's estranged from his child. And angry with the wrong people.

    To quote the great MJ Hibbett: But to put the blame on agencies outside won't help. We’ve got to take responsibility for ourselves.
    Nonetheless Elon Musk has made a quadriplegic interact with the world, via Neuralink

    Don't succumb to Musk Derangement Syndrome, it's boring. He is a remarkable man with outsize talents - and outsize flaws to go with. But still a titanic figure
    So was Howard Hughes.

    He's still remembered as an eccentric recluse, despite all the seriously impressive things he'd done before he went mad.
    I take your point, bit I think Musk is waaaaaaay more significant than a Howard Hughes. He's more like Tesla, his hero, or Brunel. A world changer
    Tesla ended his life penniless iirc.

  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Literary/Psephological Query - Any PBers yet had a gander at new book edited by Iain Dale, "British General Election Campaigns 1830-2019"?

  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486

    After tonight, Forest and Everton now have the same goal difference at -16.

    Everton a game in hand and a point over Forest. But Forest still have the appeal over their 4 point deduction to come.

    But Forest still have to play Man City, so that might bugger the goal difference.

    I still make Forest marginal favourites for relegation, sadly. Luton have a few winnable home games. The tragic thing is that without the points deduction, both Forest and Everton would be pretty much safe by now.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,091
    .
    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    .

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Foxy said:

    I see Musk is making 10% of Tesla employees redundant too.

    Maybe chumming up to Putin and Trump isn't a sign of a great mind.
    PB's slowest poster and our visitors from Russia regularly used to eulogise about the brilliance of Musk.

    ***Chortle***
    Musk used to be a good leader. When he was actually paying attention to his businesses and supporting Ukraine.

    Then he went off the deep end. And like quicksand in an old film, the more he struggled, the more desperate and doomed he's become.
    From what I heard, Musk fell out with one of his children, who came out as trans. Musk blamed the school (Crossroads) for indoctrinating his child, and this became his "war on woke". Which has taken him in ever darker directions.

    What Musk should have done is simply said "I'll love you and call you by whatever pronoun you like." That being the right thing to do as a parent. Instead, he's estranged from his child. And angry with the wrong people.

    To quote the great MJ Hibbett: But to put the blame on agencies outside won't help. We’ve got to take responsibility for ourselves.
    Nonetheless Elon Musk has made a quadriplegic interact with the world, via Neuralink

    Don't succumb to Musk Derangement Syndrome, it's boring. He is a remarkable man with outsize talents - and outsize flaws to go with. But still a titanic figure
    Obsessing over sunk costs ?
    People who claim Musk is somehow stupid or useless or a loser or unimportant - simply because they dislike his behaviour around TwiX and politix - are the most boringly midwitted fuckers on earth. I am trying to save what few I can on PB, and take them to the limited Titanic lifeboats of intellectual rescue

    And yes I accept Musk is a twat and makes horrendous errors, the same way Churchill was an alcoholic, Abe Lincoln was a racist, and Byron buggered 12 year old boys. Smart people often do bad stuff
    Is anyone saying he’s unimportant ?

    An interesting question is whether he’s become dispensable as far as his various technological ventures are concerned.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,349
    Nigelb said:

    .

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    .

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Foxy said:

    I see Musk is making 10% of Tesla employees redundant too.

    Maybe chumming up to Putin and Trump isn't a sign of a great mind.
    PB's slowest poster and our visitors from Russia regularly used to eulogise about the brilliance of Musk.

    ***Chortle***
    Musk used to be a good leader. When he was actually paying attention to his businesses and supporting Ukraine.

    Then he went off the deep end. And like quicksand in an old film, the more he struggled, the more desperate and doomed he's become.
    From what I heard, Musk fell out with one of his children, who came out as trans. Musk blamed the school (Crossroads) for indoctrinating his child, and this became his "war on woke". Which has taken him in ever darker directions.

    What Musk should have done is simply said "I'll love you and call you by whatever pronoun you like." That being the right thing to do as a parent. Instead, he's estranged from his child. And angry with the wrong people.

    To quote the great MJ Hibbett: But to put the blame on agencies outside won't help. We’ve got to take responsibility for ourselves.
    Nonetheless Elon Musk has made a quadriplegic interact with the world, via Neuralink

    Don't succumb to Musk Derangement Syndrome, it's boring. He is a remarkable man with outsize talents - and outsize flaws to go with. But still a titanic figure
    Obsessing over sunk costs ?
    People who claim Musk is somehow stupid or useless or a loser or unimportant - simply because they dislike his behaviour around TwiX and politix - are the most boringly midwitted fuckers on earth. I am trying to save what few I can on PB, and take them to the limited Titanic lifeboats of intellectual rescue

    And yes I accept Musk is a twat and makes horrendous errors, the same way Churchill was an alcoholic, Abe Lincoln was a racist, and Byron buggered 12 year old boys. Smart people often do bad stuff
    Is anyone saying he’s unimportant ?

    An interesting question is whether he’s become dispensable as far as his various technological ventures are concerned.
    He's now in his early 50s. I think by then most innovators are burnt out, invention is like lyric poetry or maths, a function of youth

    But not always. He may be an exception. An interesting counter-example is architecture, where you can go on being great into your 80s. Is Musk more an architect or an innovator? Or a unique mix of both....
  • Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    .

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    .

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Foxy said:

    I see Musk is making 10% of Tesla employees redundant too.

    Maybe chumming up to Putin and Trump isn't a sign of a great mind.
    PB's slowest poster and our visitors from Russia regularly used to eulogise about the brilliance of Musk.

    ***Chortle***
    Musk used to be a good leader. When he was actually paying attention to his businesses and supporting Ukraine.

    Then he went off the deep end. And like quicksand in an old film, the more he struggled, the more desperate and doomed he's become.
    From what I heard, Musk fell out with one of his children, who came out as trans. Musk blamed the school (Crossroads) for indoctrinating his child, and this became his "war on woke". Which has taken him in ever darker directions.

    What Musk should have done is simply said "I'll love you and call you by whatever pronoun you like." That being the right thing to do as a parent. Instead, he's estranged from his child. And angry with the wrong people.

    To quote the great MJ Hibbett: But to put the blame on agencies outside won't help. We’ve got to take responsibility for ourselves.
    Nonetheless Elon Musk has made a quadriplegic interact with the world, via Neuralink

    Don't succumb to Musk Derangement Syndrome, it's boring. He is a remarkable man with outsize talents - and outsize flaws to go with. But still a titanic figure
    Obsessing over sunk costs ?
    People who claim Musk is somehow stupid or useless or a loser or unimportant - simply because they dislike his behaviour around TwiX and politix - are the most boringly midwitted fuckers on earth. I am trying to save what few I can on PB, and take them to the limited Titanic lifeboats of intellectual rescue

    And yes I accept Musk is a twat and makes horrendous errors, the same way Churchill was an alcoholic, Abe Lincoln was a racist, and Byron buggered 12 year old boys. Smart people often do bad stuff
    Is anyone saying he’s unimportant ?

    An interesting question is whether he’s become dispensable as far as his various technological ventures are concerned.
    He's now in his early 50s. I think by then most innovators are burnt out, invention is like lyric poetry or maths, a function of youth

    But not always. He may be an exception. An interesting counter-example is architecture, where you can go on being great into your 80s. Is Musk more an architect or an innovator? Or a unique mix of both....
    He was an innovator and in recent years he's become the architect of his own misfortunes.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,208
    edited April 15
    TimS said:

    Two off topic points...

    Firstly, Wor Lass has received an email inviting her to get a Covid jab. High risk groups getting another shot.

    Secondly, I can confirm that the bottle sharing a shelf with three types of balsamic is indeed pomegranate molasses. Organic pomegranate molasses.

    But there us also Sarsons vinegar, HP Sauce, and Heinz Tomato Ketchup in there. So all is not lost.

    If it makes you feel better I have:

    Regular balsamic (organic) for use in vinaigrette

    Special balsamic my wife got me for salads

    Anciene balsamic reduction for dipped bread into
    Top tip (which I've only done once as the process really attacks your nostrils, but it worked a treat): buy a big bottle of normal cheap balsamic from Lidl, then boil it down in a pan until it's syrupy. Hey presto, posh syrupy balsamic reduction.
    You can get a good idea of the quality of the balsamic vinegar by checking out the sugar content as that tells you how much grape must is in it. Assuming you buy the proper Modena PDO stuff without added sugar. So I have an M&S bottle with 73g sugar/100ml and a Lidl version with 43g/100ml and a Morrisons one at 62g. I recommend them all,depending on what you want to do with them. The M&S version is quite a lot better than the Lidl but it costs four times more. The Morrisons one is a compromise version. Basically you get what you pay for on this stuff.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,792
    edited April 15

    ...

    kjh said:

    ...

    She has gone full on Trumpite saying Trump must win in November. Other Tories saying Trump must not win and some saying nothing to do with us guv.

    The Tories are really idiotic if they think November is a good time to hold an election here. The main attention will go to Trump. The Tories are deeply and irreconcilably divided on Trump, so they will inevitably look like the divided party they are. And the Tories need attention domestically to somehow catch up in the polling.

    As they are indeed idiotic expect a November election.

    Trump is the Republican candidate, and the Republicans are the right of centre party. Furthermore, it is true that Biden has been one of the least supportive leaders to the UK, and that Trump has always been well-disposed toward the UK and has friends, business interests, and familial ties here. It seems a mark of polite society that we should all clutch our pearls at the very thought of him gaining the White House again - well that can fuck off.
    Not a question of politeness, more an indication of either a disdain for democratic norms or a lack of intelligence, or both, they often go together.
    Democratic norms dictate to me that we should accept whoever the Americans choose, not leave a puddle on the floor about how awful it all is.

    Furthermore Liz Truss is absolutely right to bring the argument back to who has been more supportive to the UK - that's the only dog we have in this fight, and something too many of us are utterly blind to, either because we feel the national interest is a dirty concept, or because we're the sort of thicko who defaces the cenotaph because an American policman killed someone.
    Bollocks. Should we accept whomever the Russians choose? Should we have accepted whom the 1930s Germans chose?

    FFS, the man is a genuine fascist, we have every right to condemn the vile piece of shite. As for him being "more supportive to the UK" that is highly arguable, and even if it were true it does not make him remotely appropriate.

    Oh, and I forgot to add that to his very long list of puke inducing vileness we should add that he sucks up to Putin. For what reasons, we can only guess.
    Yes, and yes - if they're elected legitimately.
    I guess it depends on your definition of "accept". It seems that you and the lettuce do not "accept" Joe Biden. Although perhaps as an apologist for the orange Mussolini maybe you buy the Big Lie that Biden isn't legit?

    Personally I do not and never will "accept" fascists, whether they have hoodwinked their electorates or not. I do not "accept" racists. I do not "accept" rapists. If politicians this side of the Atlantic wish to accept such scumbags then they are, in effect, endorsing their vile behaviour, and are low-life human beings.
    It has not been proven in a court of law that Trump raped anyone, and the circumstances detailed in the allegation seem exceedingly improbable.
    So balance of probability = exceedingly improbable?

    I must not have been concentrating in my maths lectures.
    No, I came up with 'exceedingly improbable' by actually reading the allegations and using my own brain to see if I believed them to be probable or not. Thinking - it may have been a while but I'm sure you can remember doing it.
    Well that is not logical is it? You keep insisting he isn't guilty of rape because no criminal court has found him guilty beyond reasonable doubt, even though no court has been asked to so (beyond reasonable doubt)

    So you are happy to use the court as your defining point of judgement here.

    Yet when it comes to a court deciding on balance of probability he did you then ignore a court as being the defining point of judgement and use your own judgement.

    You can't have it both ways. Pick one or the other. Don't quote that courts haven't found him 'actually' guilty if you refuse to accept that he was found 'probably' guilty by a court.

    Honestly.
  • No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 4,521
    ydoethur said:

    Excellent proof-reading failure:

    image

    https://x.com/joshfg/status/1779865469685477884

    BIRTHS: To Mr and Mrs George Brown, a son Thomas, a bother for Susan.
    And of course the famous mis-spelling of "beloved aunt" in the death notice in Curb Your Enthusiasm.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,173
    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Foxy said:

    I see Musk is making 10% of Tesla employees redundant too.

    Maybe chumming up to Putin and Trump isn't a sign of a great mind.
    PB's slowest poster and our visitors from Russia regularly used to eulogise about the brilliance of Musk.

    ***Chortle***
    Musk used to be a good leader. When he was actually paying attention to his businesses and supporting Ukraine.

    Then he went off the deep end. And like quicksand in an old film, the more he struggled, the more desperate and doomed he's become.
    From what I heard, Musk fell out with one of his children, who came out as trans. Musk blamed the school (Crossroads) for indoctrinating his child, and this became his "war on woke". Which has taken him in ever darker directions.

    What Musk should have done is simply said "I'll love you and call you by whatever pronoun you like." That being the right thing to do as a parent. Instead, he's estranged from his child. And angry with the wrong people.

    To quote the great MJ Hibbett: But to put the blame on agencies outside won't help. We’ve got to take responsibility for ourselves.
    Nonetheless Elon Musk has made a quadriplegic interact with the world, via Neuralink

    Don't succumb to Musk Derangement Syndrome, it's boring. He is a remarkable man with outsize talents - and outsize flaws to go with. But still a titanic figure
    Oh, and SpaceX and Starlink are changing the world.

    His *drive* is amazing. He gets people to work at an incredible rate.

    He - like almost every really successful person - understands the enormous impact of small cumulative changes over time. It's why he's "in" on solar and in home batteries: he understands that at some point other forms of energy generation simply won't be able to compete.

    But he's not perfect. No-one is.

    When he tweets about Pizzagate that "there's no smoke without fire", then he's demonstrating a wanton disregard for accuracy. (And when he sues MediaMatters, he's demonstrating that his belief in free speech is only skin deep.)

    And he exaggerates to the point of lying. Frequently.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,270

    Amount of unfunded tax cuts in Truss's minibudget: £45bn

    Amount that the Treasury has spent so far paying the Bank of England's losses on its disastrous bond selloff: £50bn, could be further £40bn spent this year.

    Amount of PBers furiously wanking themselves off about how disastrously awful Truss was and what personality disorders she must have not to realise it and go into permanent hiding: 534

    Amount of PBers questioning the Bank's actions and the Treasury's bizarre policy of indemnifying them: 3

    You don’t understand accounting do you?

    I’m surprised that you want an inflated money supply given you appear to be a redwood fan.
    I was against the Bank printing far too much money when it didn't need to. I am now against taking an equally reckless swerve in the other direction when we are staring into the barrel of a recession.

    I'll hold my hand up to not wanting £50bn to be disappeared from the public accounts whilst our finances are so severely constrained - I'm sure you have a great reasons for thinking it's a wonderful idea.

    I think I'm in good company not understanding accounting, given that the US Government is not indemnifying the Fed's losses on its bond sell-off, and the ECB is not selling off bonds before they
    reach maturity at all. I'm sure you and Andrew Bailey know much better.
    It’s not real money.

    1) Bank decides one day it has £10. It creates this on a spreadsheet
    2) Bank buy bond from government for £10
    3) Time passes
    3) Bank sells bond to pension fund for £5
    4) Bank deletes £5 from its spreadsheet

    Net effect: money supply has gone up by £5 of invented money. Bank has a loss on its balance sheet. Government transfers £5 to government to balance the books.

    It’s a monetary action not a fiscal action. You keep muddling the two.


  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,786
    ydoethur said:

    Excellent proof-reading failure:

    image

    https://x.com/joshfg/status/1779865469685477884

    BIRTHS: To Mr and Mrs George Brown, a son Thomas, a bother for Susan.
    An episode of Curb Your Enthusiasm centres on a misspelling of the word "aunt" is a similar kind of circumstance.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,792
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Foxy said:

    I see Musk is making 10% of Tesla employees redundant too.

    Maybe chumming up to Putin and Trump isn't a sign of a great mind.
    PB's slowest poster and our visitors from Russia regularly used to eulogise about the brilliance of Musk.

    ***Chortle***
    Musk used to be a good leader. When he was actually paying attention to his businesses and supporting Ukraine.

    Then he went off the deep end. And like quicksand in an old film, the more he struggled, the more desperate and doomed he's become.
    From what I heard, Musk fell out with one of his children, who came out as trans. Musk blamed the school (Crossroads) for indoctrinating his child, and this became his "war on woke". Which has taken him in ever darker directions.

    What Musk should have done is simply said "I'll love you and call you by whatever pronoun you like." That being the right thing to do as a parent. Instead, he's estranged from his child. And angry with the wrong people.

    To quote the great MJ Hibbett: But to put the blame on agencies outside won't help. We’ve got to take responsibility for ourselves.
    Nonetheless Elon Musk has made a quadriplegic interact with the world, via Neuralink

    Don't succumb to Musk Derangement Syndrome, it's boring. He is a remarkable man with outsize talents - and outsize flaws to go with. But still a titanic figure
    So was Howard Hughes.

    He's still remembered as an eccentric recluse, despite all the seriously impressive things he'd done before he went mad.
    I take your point, bit I think Musk is waaaaaaay more significant than a Howard Hughes. He's more like Tesla, his hero, or Brunel. A world changer
    He's more like Edison IMHO. Possibly he'll be as successful, possibly not. If I can put it another way - Tesla was a genius, Edison was smart. I wouldn't claim one way or another which was best. But they're very different things.
  • No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 4,521

    .

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Foxy said:

    I see Musk is making 10% of Tesla employees redundant too.

    Maybe chumming up to Putin and Trump isn't a sign of a great mind.
    PB's slowest poster and our visitors from Russia regularly used to eulogise about the brilliance of Musk.

    ***Chortle***
    Musk used to be a good leader. When he was actually paying attention to his businesses and supporting Ukraine.

    Then he went off the deep end. And like quicksand in an old film, the more he struggled, the more desperate and doomed he's become.
    From what I heard, Musk fell out with one of his children, who came out as trans. Musk blamed the school (Crossroads) for indoctrinating his child, and this became his "war on woke". Which has taken him in ever darker directions.

    What Musk should have done is simply said "I'll love you and call you by whatever pronoun you like." That being the right thing to do as a parent. Instead, he's estranged from his child. And angry with the wrong people.

    To quote the great MJ Hibbett: But to put the blame on agencies outside won't help. We’ve got to take responsibility for ourselves.
    Nonetheless Elon Musk has made a quadriplegic interact with the world, via Neuralink

    Don't succumb to Musk Derangement Syndrome, it's boring. He is a remarkable man with outsize talents - and outsize flaws to go with. But still a titanic figure
    So was Howard Hughes.

    He's still remembered as an eccentric recluse, despite all the seriously impressive things he'd done before he went mad.
    I take your point, bit I think Musk is waaaaaaay more significant than a Howard Hughes. He's more like Tesla, his hero, or Brunel. A world changer
    One is a world famous entrepreneur who became one of the richest people in the world and whose technical innovations transformed technology and transportation, while creating multiple side businesses too. The other bangs on about the woke on X.

    Hughes is a Tesla or Brunel too, if he hadn't gone mad and eccentric he'd be remembered for that, but he did so we remember him for being a germaphobe who collected his urine in bottles instead.

    Musk is following a surprisingly similar path. Not the same, but the parallels are definitely there.
    Musk's other problem is that, far from going mad reclusively, he is putting a great deal of effort into making sure that everyone knows.
    But always remember that Musk is only the second-craziest founder of Paypal.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,173
    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    All out war basically guaranteed if Israel attacks directly and openly

    ⚡️BREAKING

    Iran's Deputy Foreign Minister says that if Israel makes another mistake it won't have 12 days, 1 day or an hour, the next slap will be delivered in seconds and has already been approved

    https://x.com/IranObserver0/status/1779963201754464728

    Mandy Rice-Davies surely applies.
    Not really

    If Iran says this now they are basically obliged to follow through if Israel attacks. Otherwise an already brittle and fragile regime will look weak. This is one reason why this moment is so dangerous. Both sides have a reason to stand up and fight and be as aggressive as possible, neither regime is secure
    They're not obliged to do anything.

    They know that posturing minimizes the likelihood of an Israeli response.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,349
    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Foxy said:

    I see Musk is making 10% of Tesla employees redundant too.

    Maybe chumming up to Putin and Trump isn't a sign of a great mind.
    PB's slowest poster and our visitors from Russia regularly used to eulogise about the brilliance of Musk.

    ***Chortle***
    Musk used to be a good leader. When he was actually paying attention to his businesses and supporting Ukraine.

    Then he went off the deep end. And like quicksand in an old film, the more he struggled, the more desperate and doomed he's become.
    From what I heard, Musk fell out with one of his children, who came out as trans. Musk blamed the school (Crossroads) for indoctrinating his child, and this became his "war on woke". Which has taken him in ever darker directions.

    What Musk should have done is simply said "I'll love you and call you by whatever pronoun you like." That being the right thing to do as a parent. Instead, he's estranged from his child. And angry with the wrong people.

    To quote the great MJ Hibbett: But to put the blame on agencies outside won't help. We’ve got to take responsibility for ourselves.
    Nonetheless Elon Musk has made a quadriplegic interact with the world, via Neuralink

    Don't succumb to Musk Derangement Syndrome, it's boring. He is a remarkable man with outsize talents - and outsize flaws to go with. But still a titanic figure
    Oh, and SpaceX and Starlink are changing the world.

    His *drive* is amazing. He gets people to work at an incredible rate.

    He - like almost every really successful person - understands the enormous impact of small cumulative changes over time. It's why he's "in" on solar and in home batteries: he understands that at some point other forms of energy generation simply won't be able to compete.

    But he's not perfect. No-one is.

    When he tweets about Pizzagate that "there's no smoke without fire", then he's demonstrating a wanton disregard for accuracy. (And when he sues MediaMatters, he's demonstrating that his belief in free speech is only skin deep.)

    And he exaggerates to the point of lying. Frequently.
    Well yes, as I say. He's a twat. Just like Churchill drinking whisky at dawn - "my mouthwash", Abe Lincoln wanting to deport all freed slaves as inferior beings, and Byron sodomising boys in Albania, yet he also wrote Don Juan and Beppo

    Musk is a mosaic of amazing achievement and real idiocy. But... amazing achievement

    "Trump Derangement Syndrome" is much more acceptable. Trump is a grifting charlatan with no great achievements at all. Trump has not done a Starlink or a Neuralink, Trump is an odious clown, and dangerous to boot
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 22,077
    edited April 15

    Amount of unfunded tax cuts in Truss's minibudget: £45bn

    Amount that the Treasury has spent so far paying the Bank of England's losses on its disastrous bond selloff: £50bn, could be further £40bn spent this year.

    Amount of PBers furiously wanking themselves off about how disastrously awful Truss was and what personality disorders she must have not to realise it and go into permanent hiding: 534

    Amount of PBers questioning the Bank's actions and the Treasury's bizarre policy of indemnifying them: 3

    You don’t understand accounting do you?

    I’m surprised that you want an inflated money supply given you appear to be a redwood fan.
    I was against the Bank printing far too much money when it didn't need to. I am now against taking an equally reckless swerve in the other direction when we are staring into the barrel of a recession.

    I'll hold my hand up to not wanting £50bn to be disappeared from the public accounts whilst our finances are so severely constrained - I'm sure you have a great reasons for thinking it's a wonderful idea.

    I think I'm in good company not understanding accounting, given that the US Government is not indemnifying the Fed's losses on its bond sell-off, and the ECB is not selling off bonds before they
    reach maturity at all. I'm sure you and Andrew Bailey know much better.
    It’s not real money.

    1) Bank decides one day it has £10. It creates this on a spreadsheet
    2) Bank buy bond from government for £10
    3) Time passes
    3) Bank sells bond to pension fund for £5
    4) Bank deletes £5 from its spreadsheet

    Net effect: money supply has gone up by £5 of invented money. Bank has a loss on its balance sheet. Government transfers £5 to government to balance the books.

    It’s a monetary action not a fiscal action. You keep muddling the two.


    It wouldn't be real money except the Bank is realising the sales and the Government is actually paying our taxes to the Bank. That's a fiscal action.

    Other Central Banks aren't doing this in the same way and are doing it as you say. The BoE is actually realising the debts though, and our taxes are actually going to paying them off.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,270

    ydoethur said:

    Excellent proof-reading failure:

    image

    https://x.com/joshfg/status/1779865469685477884

    BIRTHS: To Mr and Mrs George Brown, a son Thomas, a bother for Susan.
    Ok, I give up. I've read that several times and maybe it's the wine but I'm failing to spot anything wrong with it (ydoethur's post, not the Tory leaflet, which is amusing).
    Bother. Should be brother. Poor Susan.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,104
    Heathener said:

    Heathener said:

    Heathener said:

    Afternoon everyone. When this happened a week ago, along came two polls to mess it up but this time I think it will stand:

    As of today 5 consecutive opinion polls have been published with Labour leads of 20%+ which is the first time this sequence has occurred since last September. The steady trend away from the Conservatives continues. For Rishi ‘things can only get worser’




    This is silly. There's no huge change in the lead, and as soon as one of the pollsters who report a smaller lead than the other firms releases a new poll then your pattern will be broken.

    If Opinium, or Savanta, release a poll with a >20% lead then that would be a change and would indicate a new pattern.
    I made no great claims about it. I merely noted that it’s the first time since last September that 5 consecutive polls have given Labour a 20%+ lead.

    So I don’t think it is “silly”. Sometimes when the pattern begins to form it takes a while for everyone to see it. Put more empirically, the Conservatives dropped another 2% in March. https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/prediction_main.html
    If a change happens then, thanks to you "noticing" it several previous times, you will claim to have greater perception than mundane other people. But at the moment all you have is an artifact of the publishing timetable of the forms with different biases. And so, yes, it is silly to make something of it, and particularly silly that you didn't learn your lesson from last week.
    There is something of a pattern here though at the moment. Have a look at it:



    I’m not saying it will continue to the point where there’s Reform-Conservative crossover but there is a pretty clear ongoing fall in support for the Conservatives.
    My theory is that a lot of Tories, even if just internally, just want things to be over, and this is boosting Reform support beyond even the hard core of former Tories who genuinely want to replace the Tories or punish them directly.
  • StonehengeStonehenge Posts: 80
    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    .

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Foxy said:

    I see Musk is making 10% of Tesla employees redundant too.

    Maybe chumming up to Putin and Trump isn't a sign of a great mind.
    PB's slowest poster and our visitors from Russia regularly used to eulogise about the brilliance of Musk.

    ***Chortle***
    Musk used to be a good leader. When he was actually paying attention to his businesses and supporting Ukraine.

    Then he went off the deep end. And like quicksand in an old film, the more he struggled, the more desperate and doomed he's become.
    From what I heard, Musk fell out with one of his children, who came out as trans. Musk blamed the school (Crossroads) for indoctrinating his child, and this became his "war on woke". Which has taken him in ever darker directions.

    What Musk should have done is simply said "I'll love you and call you by whatever pronoun you like." That being the right thing to do as a parent. Instead, he's estranged from his child. And angry with the wrong people.

    To quote the great MJ Hibbett: But to put the blame on agencies outside won't help. We’ve got to take responsibility for ourselves.
    Nonetheless Elon Musk has made a quadriplegic interact with the world, via Neuralink

    Don't succumb to Musk Derangement Syndrome, it's boring. He is a remarkable man with outsize talents - and outsize flaws to go with. But still a titanic figure
    Obsessing over sunk costs ?
    People who claim Musk is somehow stupid or useless or a loser or unimportant - simply because they dislike his behaviour around TwiX and politix - are the most boringly midwitted fuckers on earth. I am trying to save what few I can on PB, and take them to the limited Titanic lifeboats of intellectual rescue

    And yes I accept Musk is a twat and makes horrendous errors, the same way Churchill was an alcoholic, Abe Lincoln was a racist, and Byron buggered 12 year old boys. Smart people often do bad stuff
    I think its just jealousy. Unlike the upper middle classes endlessly spouting woke bull.sh.t to keep their jobs Musk has the financial resources to say F U. That drives people mad
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,559

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    .

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Foxy said:

    I see Musk is making 10% of Tesla employees redundant too.

    Maybe chumming up to Putin and Trump isn't a sign of a great mind.
    PB's slowest poster and our visitors from Russia regularly used to eulogise about the brilliance of Musk.

    ***Chortle***
    Musk used to be a good leader. When he was actually paying attention to his businesses and supporting Ukraine.

    Then he went off the deep end. And like quicksand in an old film, the more he struggled, the more desperate and doomed he's become.
    From what I heard, Musk fell out with one of his children, who came out as trans. Musk blamed the school (Crossroads) for indoctrinating his child, and this became his "war on woke". Which has taken him in ever darker directions.

    What Musk should have done is simply said "I'll love you and call you by whatever pronoun you like." That being the right thing to do as a parent. Instead, he's estranged from his child. And angry with the wrong people.

    To quote the great MJ Hibbett: But to put the blame on agencies outside won't help. We’ve got to take responsibility for ourselves.
    Nonetheless Elon Musk has made a quadriplegic interact with the world, via Neuralink

    Don't succumb to Musk Derangement Syndrome, it's boring. He is a remarkable man with outsize talents - and outsize flaws to go with. But still a titanic figure
    Obsessing over sunk costs ?
    People who claim Musk is somehow stupid or useless or a loser or unimportant - simply because they dislike his behaviour around TwiX and politix - are the most boringly midwitted fuckers on earth. I am trying to save what few I can on PB, and take them to the limited Titanic lifeboats of intellectual rescue

    And yes I accept Musk is a twat and makes horrendous errors, the same way Churchill was an alcoholic, Abe Lincoln was a racist, and Byron buggered 12 year old boys. Smart people often do bad stuff
    I think its just jealousy. Unlike the upper middle classes endlessly spouting woke bull.sh.t to keep their jobs Musk has the financial resources to say F U. That drives people mad
    Musk is similar to Trump in the sense that he's got enough money to ignore received opinion if he doesn't agree with it.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,459
    kjh said:

    ...

    kjh said:

    ...

    She has gone full on Trumpite saying Trump must win in November. Other Tories saying Trump must not win and some saying nothing to do with us guv.

    The Tories are really idiotic if they think November is a good time to hold an election here. The main attention will go to Trump. The Tories are deeply and irreconcilably divided on Trump, so they will inevitably look like the divided party they are. And the Tories need attention domestically to somehow catch up in the polling.

    As they are indeed idiotic expect a November election.

    Trump is the Republican candidate, and the Republicans are the right of centre party. Furthermore, it is true that Biden has been one of the least supportive leaders to the UK, and that Trump has always been well-disposed toward the UK and has friends, business interests, and familial ties here. It seems a mark of polite society that we should all clutch our pearls at the very thought of him gaining the White House again - well that can fuck off.
    Not a question of politeness, more an indication of either a disdain for democratic norms or a lack of intelligence, or both, they often go together.
    Democratic norms dictate to me that we should accept whoever the Americans choose, not leave a puddle on the floor about how awful it all is.

    Furthermore Liz Truss is absolutely right to bring the argument back to who has been more supportive to the UK - that's the only dog we have in this fight, and something too many of us are utterly blind to, either because we feel the national interest is a dirty concept, or because we're the sort of thicko who defaces the cenotaph because an American policman killed someone.
    Bollocks. Should we accept whomever the Russians choose? Should we have accepted whom the 1930s Germans chose?

    FFS, the man is a genuine fascist, we have every right to condemn the vile piece of shite. As for him being "more supportive to the UK" that is highly arguable, and even if it were true it does not make him remotely appropriate.

    Oh, and I forgot to add that to his very long list of puke inducing vileness we should add that he sucks up to Putin. For what reasons, we can only guess.
    Yes, and yes - if they're elected legitimately.
    I guess it depends on your definition of "accept". It seems that you and the lettuce do not "accept" Joe Biden. Although perhaps as an apologist for the orange Mussolini maybe you buy the Big Lie that Biden isn't legit?

    Personally I do not and never will "accept" fascists, whether they have hoodwinked their electorates or not. I do not "accept" racists. I do not "accept" rapists. If politicians this side of the Atlantic wish to accept such scumbags then they are, in effect, endorsing their vile behaviour, and are low-life human beings.
    It has not been proven in a court of law that Trump raped anyone, and the circumstances detailed in the allegation seem exceedingly improbable.
    So balance of probability = exceedingly improbable?

    I must not have been concentrating in my maths lectures.
    No, I came up with 'exceedingly improbable' by actually reading the allegations and using my own brain to see if I believed them to be probable or not. Thinking - it may have been a while but I'm sure you can remember doing it.
    Well that is not logical is it? You keep insisting he isn't guilty of rape because no criminal court has found him guilty beyond reasonable doubt, even though no court has been asked to so (beyond reasonable doubt)

    So you are happy to use the court as your defining point of judgement here.

    Yet when it comes to a court deciding on balance of probability he did you then ignore a court as being the defining point of judgement and use your own judgement.

    You can't have it both ways. Pick one or the other. Don't quote that courts haven't found him 'actually' guilty if you refuse to accept that he was found 'probably' guilty by a court.

    Honestly.
    All lovely, but you seem to be responding to something I didn't write. I introduced two separate concepts, hence the use of the non-subordinating conjunction. Donald Trump has not been found guilty of rape AND the allegations against him don't seem probable, not SO the allegations against him don't seem probable or THEREFORE the allegations against him don't seem probable.

    Honestly.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,091
    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Foxy said:

    I see Musk is making 10% of Tesla employees redundant too.

    Maybe chumming up to Putin and Trump isn't a sign of a great mind.
    PB's slowest poster and our visitors from Russia regularly used to eulogise about the brilliance of Musk.

    ***Chortle***
    Musk used to be a good leader. When he was actually paying attention to his businesses and supporting Ukraine.

    Then he went off the deep end. And like quicksand in an old film, the more he struggled, the more desperate and doomed he's become.
    From what I heard, Musk fell out with one of his children, who came out as trans. Musk blamed the school (Crossroads) for indoctrinating his child, and this became his "war on woke". Which has taken him in ever darker directions.

    What Musk should have done is simply said "I'll love you and call you by whatever pronoun you like." That being the right thing to do as a parent. Instead, he's estranged from his child. And angry with the wrong people.

    To quote the great MJ Hibbett: But to put the blame on agencies outside won't help. We’ve got to take responsibility for ourselves.
    Nonetheless Elon Musk has made a quadriplegic interact with the world, via Neuralink

    Don't succumb to Musk Derangement Syndrome, it's boring. He is a remarkable man with outsize talents - and outsize flaws to go with. But still a titanic figure
    Oh, and SpaceX and Starlink are changing the world.

    His *drive* is amazing. He gets people to work at an incredible rate.

    He - like almost every really successful person - understands the enormous impact of small cumulative changes over time. It's why he's "in" on solar and in home batteries: he understands that at some point other forms of energy generation simply won't be able to compete.

    But he's not perfect. No-one is.

    When he tweets about Pizzagate that "there's no smoke without fire", then he's demonstrating a wanton disregard for accuracy. (And when he sues MediaMatters, he's demonstrating that his belief in free speech is only skin deep.)

    And he exaggerates to the point of lying. Frequently.
    The likely impact of solar is underestimated, I think. Perhaps because the Chinese have 80-90% of the manufacturing business ?

    The continuing progress in the technology, the manufacturing efficiencies, and the scale mean that it just going to keep slowly getting cheaper - and it’s already the cheapest power on the planet.

    What happens when the early adopters (ironically, Texas is among them) have a huge superabundance of power ? It’s not all that far off.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,104
    edited April 15
    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Foxy said:

    I see Musk is making 10% of Tesla employees redundant too.

    Maybe chumming up to Putin and Trump isn't a sign of a great mind.
    PB's slowest poster and our visitors from Russia regularly used to eulogise about the brilliance of Musk.

    ***Chortle***
    Musk used to be a good leader. When he was actually paying attention to his businesses and supporting Ukraine.

    Then he went off the deep end. And like quicksand in an old film, the more he struggled, the more desperate and doomed he's become.
    From what I heard, Musk fell out with one of his children, who came out as trans. Musk blamed the school (Crossroads) for indoctrinating his child, and this became his "war on woke". Which has taken him in ever darker directions.

    What Musk should have done is simply said "I'll love you and call you by whatever pronoun you like." That being the right thing to do as a parent. Instead, he's estranged from his child. And angry with the wrong people.

    To quote the great MJ Hibbett: But to put the blame on agencies outside won't help. We’ve got to take responsibility for ourselves.
    Nonetheless Elon Musk has made a quadriplegic interact with the world, via Neuralink

    Don't succumb to Musk Derangement Syndrome, it's boring. He is a remarkable man with outsize talents - and outsize flaws to go with. But still a titanic figure
    Oh, and SpaceX and Starlink are changing the world.

    His *drive* is amazing. He gets people to work at an incredible rate.

    He - like almost every really successful person - understands the enormous impact of small cumulative changes over time. It's why he's "in" on solar and in home batteries: he understands that at some point other forms of energy generation simply won't be able to compete.

    But he's not perfect. No-one is.

    When he tweets about Pizzagate that "there's no smoke without fire", then he's demonstrating a wanton disregard for accuracy. (And when he sues MediaMatters, he's demonstrating that his belief in free speech is only skin deep.)

    And he exaggerates to the point of lying. Frequently.
    Like many people who have achieved great success he thinks he must know everything about everything as a result, a standard egomaniac. He stands out for just how wealthy he is and how he has gotten increasingly obnoxious in a teenager's idea of what being edgy means, but it's not that unusual.

    Not just with him, but I miss the cold, faceless billionaire moguls of the past. At least they restricted their attempts to being cool to slapping their names on civic buildings or something, they didn't try to be funny on social media (they couldn't), and largely didn't care what the unwashed masses thought of them. So they were hateable, but in a more impersonal way.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,270
    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    Two off topic points...

    Firstly, Wor Lass has received an email inviting her to get a Covid jab. High risk groups getting another shot.

    Secondly, I can confirm that the bottle sharing a shelf with three types of balsamic is indeed pomegranate molasses. Organic pomegranate molasses.

    But there us also Sarsons vinegar, HP Sauce, and Heinz Tomato Ketchup in there. So all is not lost.

    If it makes you feel better I have:

    Regular balsamic (organic) for use in vinaigrette

    Special balsamic my wife got me for salads

    Anciene balsamic reduction for dipped bread into
    Top tip (which I've only done once as the process really attacks your nostrils, but it worked a treat): buy a big bottle of normal cheap balsamic from Lidl, then boil it down in a pan until it's syrupy. Hey presto, posh syrupy balsamic reduction.
    Top tip: make loads of money, maybe £500k in a really good year, then just buy fancy shitloads of massively expensive balsamic vinegar
    Meh. £500k would kind of be a mediocre year to be honest.

  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,559

    John Rentoul
    @JohnRentoul
    ·
    1h
    New votes-to-seats model by
    @TheEconomist
    suggests Lab majority 94 on current opinion polls

    https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1779954381258993871

    198 seats seems very generous for the Tories given nearly all recent polling.
  • No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 4,521

    Amount of unfunded tax cuts in Truss's minibudget: £45bn

    Amount that the Treasury has spent so far paying the Bank of England's losses on its disastrous bond selloff: £50bn, could be further £40bn spent this year.

    Amount of PBers furiously wanking themselves off about how disastrously awful Truss was and what personality disorders she must have not to realise it and go into permanent hiding: 534

    Amount of PBers questioning the Bank's actions and the Treasury's bizarre policy of indemnifying them: 3

    You don’t understand accounting do you?

    I’m surprised that you want an inflated money supply given you appear to be a redwood fan.
    I was against the Bank printing far too much money when it didn't need to. I am now against taking an equally reckless swerve in the other direction when we are staring into the barrel of a recession.

    I'll hold my hand up to not wanting £50bn to be disappeared from the public accounts whilst our finances are so severely constrained - I'm sure you have a great reasons for thinking it's a wonderful idea.

    I think I'm in good company not understanding accounting, given that the US Government is not indemnifying the Fed's losses on its bond sell-off, and the ECB is not selling off bonds before they
    reach maturity at all. I'm sure you and Andrew Bailey know much better.
    It’s not real money.

    1) Bank decides one day it has £10. It creates this on a spreadsheet
    2) Bank buy bond from government for £10
    3) Time passes
    3) Bank sells bond to pension fund for £5
    4) Bank deletes £5 from its spreadsheet

    Net effect: money supply has gone up by £5 of invented money. Bank has a loss on its balance sheet. Government transfers £5 to government to balance the books.

    It’s a monetary action not a fiscal action. You keep muddling the two.


    It wouldn't be real money except the Bank is realising the sales and the Government is actually paying our taxes to the Bank. That's a fiscal action.

    Other Central Banks aren't doing this in the same way and are doing it as you say. The BoE is actually realising the debts though, and our taxes are actually going to paying them off.
    Does that mean there is a Barnett consequential?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,091
    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Foxy said:

    I see Musk is making 10% of Tesla employees redundant too.

    Maybe chumming up to Putin and Trump isn't a sign of a great mind.
    PB's slowest poster and our visitors from Russia regularly used to eulogise about the brilliance of Musk.

    ***Chortle***
    Musk used to be a good leader. When he was actually paying attention to his businesses and supporting Ukraine.

    Then he went off the deep end. And like quicksand in an old film, the more he struggled, the more desperate and doomed he's become.
    From what I heard, Musk fell out with one of his children, who came out as trans. Musk blamed the school (Crossroads) for indoctrinating his child, and this became his "war on woke". Which has taken him in ever darker directions.

    What Musk should have done is simply said "I'll love you and call you by whatever pronoun you like." That being the right thing to do as a parent. Instead, he's estranged from his child. And angry with the wrong people.

    To quote the great MJ Hibbett: But to put the blame on agencies outside won't help. We’ve got to take responsibility for ourselves.
    Nonetheless Elon Musk has made a quadriplegic interact with the world, via Neuralink

    Don't succumb to Musk Derangement Syndrome, it's boring. He is a remarkable man with outsize talents - and outsize flaws to go with. But still a titanic figure
    Oh, and SpaceX and Starlink are changing the world.

    His *drive* is amazing. He gets people to work at an incredible rate.

    He - like almost every really successful person - understands the enormous impact of small cumulative changes over time. It's why he's "in" on solar and in home batteries: he understands that at some point other forms of energy generation simply won't be able to compete.

    But he's not perfect. No-one is.

    When he tweets about Pizzagate that "there's no smoke without fire", then he's demonstrating a wanton disregard for accuracy. (And when he sues MediaMatters, he's demonstrating that his belief in free speech is only skin deep.)

    And he exaggerates to the point of lying. Frequently.
    Well yes, as I say. He's a twat. Just like Churchill drinking whisky at dawn - "my mouthwash", Abe Lincoln wanting to deport all freed slaves as inferior beings, and Byron sodomising boys in Albania, yet he also wrote Don Juan and Beppo

    Musk is a mosaic of amazing achievement and real idiocy. But... amazing achievement

    "Trump Derangement Syndrome" is much more acceptable. Trump is a grifting charlatan with no great achievements at all. Trump has not done a Starlink or a Neuralink, Trump is an odious clown, and dangerous to boot
    Lincoln grew wiser with age, unlike the rest.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,104
    Andy_JS said:

    John Rentoul
    @JohnRentoul
    ·
    1h
    New votes-to-seats model by
    @TheEconomist
    suggests Lab majority 94 on current opinion polls

    https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1779954381258993871

    198 seats seems very generous for the Tories given nearly all recent polling.
    33 better than 1997? They'd take that in a heartbeat right now.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,559
    kle4 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    John Rentoul
    @JohnRentoul
    ·
    1h
    New votes-to-seats model by
    @TheEconomist
    suggests Lab majority 94 on current opinion polls

    https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1779954381258993871

    198 seats seems very generous for the Tories given nearly all recent polling.
    33 better than 1997? They'd take that in a heartbeat right now.
    Doesn't seem realistic to me. Would be interested to see more details of their methods.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,104

    Literary/Psephological Query - Any PBers yet had a gander at new book edited by Iain Dale, "British General Election Campaigns 1830-2019"?

    No, but now I am aware of it I may well.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,559
    edited April 15
  • StonehengeStonehenge Posts: 80
    kle4 said:

    Heathener said:

    Heathener said:

    Heathener said:

    Afternoon everyone. When this happened a week ago, along came two polls to mess it up but this time I think it will stand:

    As of today 5 consecutive opinion polls have been published with Labour leads of 20%+ which is the first time this sequence has occurred since last September. The steady trend away from the Conservatives continues. For Rishi ‘things can only get worser’




    This is silly. There's no huge change in the lead, and as soon as one of the pollsters who report a smaller lead than the other firms releases a new poll then your pattern will be broken.

    If Opinium, or Savanta, release a poll with a >20% lead then that would be a change and would indicate a new pattern.
    I made no great claims about it. I merely noted that it’s the first time since last September that 5 consecutive polls have given Labour a 20%+ lead.

    So I don’t think it is “silly”. Sometimes when the pattern begins to form it takes a while for everyone to see it. Put more empirically, the Conservatives dropped another 2% in March. https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/prediction_main.html
    If a change happens then, thanks to you "noticing" it several previous times, you will claim to have greater perception than mundane other people. But at the moment all you have is an artifact of the publishing timetable of the forms with different biases. And so, yes, it is silly to make something of it, and particularly silly that you didn't learn your lesson from last week.
    There is something of a pattern here though at the moment. Have a look at it:



    I’m not saying it will continue to the point where there’s Reform-Conservative crossover but there is a pretty clear ongoing fall in support for the Conservatives.
    My theory is that a lot of Tories, even if just internally, just want things to be over, and this is boosting Reform support beyond even the hard core of former Tories who genuinely want to replace the Tories or punish them directly.
    Personally i find Sunaks style of speaking intensely irritating. The guy just cant do gravitas Even a clown like Johnson could do gravitas better.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,270

    Amount of unfunded tax cuts in Truss's minibudget: £45bn

    Amount that the Treasury has spent so far paying the Bank of England's losses on its disastrous bond selloff: £50bn, could be further £40bn spent this year.

    Amount of PBers furiously wanking themselves off about how disastrously awful Truss was and what personality disorders she must have not to realise it and go into permanent hiding: 534

    Amount of PBers questioning the Bank's actions and the Treasury's bizarre policy of indemnifying them: 3

    You don’t understand accounting do you?

    I’m surprised that you want an inflated money supply given you appear to be a redwood fan.
    I was against the Bank printing far too much money when it didn't need to. I am now against taking an equally reckless swerve in the other direction when we are staring into the barrel of a recession.

    I'll hold my hand up to not wanting £50bn to be disappeared from the public accounts whilst our finances are so severely constrained - I'm sure you have a great reasons for thinking it's a wonderful idea.

    I think I'm in good company not understanding accounting, given that the US Government is not indemnifying the Fed's losses on its bond sell-off, and the ECB is not selling off bonds before they
    reach maturity at all. I'm sure you and Andrew Bailey know much better.
    It’s not real money.

    1) Bank decides one day it has £10. It creates this on a spreadsheet
    2) Bank buy bond from government for £10
    3) Time passes
    3) Bank sells bond to pension fund for £5
    4) Bank deletes £5 from its spreadsheet

    Net effect: money supply has gone up by £5 of invented money. Bank has a loss on its balance sheet. Government transfers £5 to government to balance the books.

    It’s a monetary action not a fiscal action. You keep muddling the two.


    It wouldn't be real money except the Bank is realising the sales and the Government is actually paying our taxes to the Bank. That's a fiscal action.


    Other Central Banks aren't doing this in the same way and are doing it as you say. The BoE is actually realising the debts though, and our taxes are actually going to paying them off.
    The money was invented in the first place.

    Sterilisation (which is what the Bank is doing) reduces the money supply. The ECB isn’t doing it because the risk of deflation.

    There no actual loss.

    We had £10. One day we decided we had £20. Now we have decided we have £15. It’s all make believe
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,104

    kle4 said:

    Heathener said:

    Heathener said:

    Heathener said:

    Afternoon everyone. When this happened a week ago, along came two polls to mess it up but this time I think it will stand:

    As of today 5 consecutive opinion polls have been published with Labour leads of 20%+ which is the first time this sequence has occurred since last September. The steady trend away from the Conservatives continues. For Rishi ‘things can only get worser’




    This is silly. There's no huge change in the lead, and as soon as one of the pollsters who report a smaller lead than the other firms releases a new poll then your pattern will be broken.

    If Opinium, or Savanta, release a poll with a >20% lead then that would be a change and would indicate a new pattern.
    I made no great claims about it. I merely noted that it’s the first time since last September that 5 consecutive polls have given Labour a 20%+ lead.

    So I don’t think it is “silly”. Sometimes when the pattern begins to form it takes a while for everyone to see it. Put more empirically, the Conservatives dropped another 2% in March. https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/prediction_main.html
    If a change happens then, thanks to you "noticing" it several previous times, you will claim to have greater perception than mundane other people. But at the moment all you have is an artifact of the publishing timetable of the forms with different biases. And so, yes, it is silly to make something of it, and particularly silly that you didn't learn your lesson from last week.
    There is something of a pattern here though at the moment. Have a look at it:



    I’m not saying it will continue to the point where there’s Reform-Conservative crossover but there is a pretty clear ongoing fall in support for the Conservatives.
    My theory is that a lot of Tories, even if just internally, just want things to be over, and this is boosting Reform support beyond even the hard core of former Tories who genuinely want to replace the Tories or punish them directly.
    Personally i find Sunaks style of speaking intensely irritating. The guy just cant do gravitas Even a clown like Johnson could do gravitas better.
    Boris could do a good line in serious when he wanted to, as well the boosterism. He didn't really pull it out often enough. Most of what I have seen of Rishi is a bit overeager and overearnest, but that may just be because my cynicism means that kind of chirpyness does not appeal to me.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,270

    kjh said:

    ...

    kjh said:

    ...

    She has gone full on Trumpite saying Trump must win in November. Other Tories saying Trump must not win and some saying nothing to do with us guv.

    The Tories are really idiotic if they think November is a good time to hold an election here. The main attention will go to Trump. The Tories are deeply and irreconcilably divided on Trump, so they will inevitably look like the divided party they are. And the Tories need attention domestically to somehow catch up in the polling.

    As they are indeed idiotic expect a November election.

    Trump is the Republican candidate, and the Republicans are the right of centre party. Furthermore, it is true that Biden has been one of the least supportive leaders to the UK, and that Trump has always been well-disposed toward the UK and has friends, business interests, and familial ties here. It seems a mark of polite society that we should all clutch our pearls at the very thought of him gaining the White House again - well that can fuck off.
    Not a question of politeness, more an indication of either a disdain for democratic norms or a lack of intelligence, or both, they often go together.
    Democratic norms dictate to me that we should accept whoever the Americans choose, not leave a puddle on the floor about how awful it all is.

    Furthermore Liz Truss is absolutely right to bring the argument back to who has been more supportive to the UK - that's the only dog we have in this fight, and something too many of us are utterly blind to, either because we feel the national interest is a dirty concept, or because we're the sort of thicko who defaces the cenotaph because an American policman killed someone.
    Bollocks. Should we accept whomever the Russians choose? Should we have accepted whom the 1930s Germans chose?

    FFS, the man is a genuine fascist, we have every right to condemn the vile piece of shite. As for him being "more supportive to the UK" that is highly arguable, and even if it were true it does not make him remotely appropriate.

    Oh, and I forgot to add that to his very long list of puke inducing vileness we should add that he sucks up to Putin. For what reasons, we can only guess.
    Yes, and yes - if they're elected legitimately.
    I guess it depends on your definition of "accept". It seems that you and the lettuce do not "accept" Joe Biden. Although perhaps as an apologist for the orange Mussolini maybe you buy the Big Lie that Biden isn't legit?

    Personally I do not and never will "accept" fascists, whether they have hoodwinked their electorates or not. I do not "accept" racists. I do not "accept" rapists. If politicians this side of the Atlantic wish to accept such scumbags then they are, in effect, endorsing their vile behaviour, and are low-life human beings.
    It has not been proven in a court of law that Trump raped anyone, and the circumstances detailed in the allegation seem exceedingly improbable.
    So balance of probability = exceedingly improbable?

    I must not have been concentrating in my maths lectures.
    No, I came up with 'exceedingly improbable' by actually reading the allegations and using my own brain to see if I believed them to be probable or not. Thinking - it may have been a while but I'm sure you can remember doing it.
    Well that is not logical is it? You keep insisting he isn't guilty of rape because no criminal court has found him guilty beyond reasonable doubt, even though no court has been asked to so (beyond reasonable doubt)

    So you are happy to use the court as your defining point of judgement here.

    Yet when it comes to a court deciding on balance of probability he did you then ignore a court as being the defining point of judgement and use your own judgement.

    You can't have it both ways. Pick one or the other. Don't quote that courts haven't found him 'actually' guilty if you refuse to accept that he was found 'probably' guilty by a court.

    Honestly.

    All lovely, but you seem to be responding to something I didn't write. I introduced two separate concepts, hence the use of the non-subordinating conjunction. Donald Trump has not been found guilty of rape AND the allegations against him don't seem probable, not SO the allegations against him don't seem probable or THEREFORE the allegations against him don't seem probable.

    Honestly.
    You are saying the court’s opinion is important in the rape verdict but not in the sexual assault verdict? For the same case.

    Have I got that right?
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