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SystemSystem Posts: 12,213
edited April 28 in General
imageA plea to the bookies – politicalbetting.com

Can we please have constituency markets and spreads for the general election?

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  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 28,417
    Why not? Selections not complete in all seats, with bookies worried in particular about punters having inside information about which Conservative MPs will announce this week that they will not be standing, or perhaps fear of offending the government at a time when regulation of the betting industry is in the spotlight?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,145
    Second! Sunak should be so lucky….
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,124
    Any MP working for KGB news is a wrong un and I would certainly hope that the voters in their constituencies would vote to eject their part time representatives.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,693
    Hmm.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,950
    Good morning, everyone.

    Meanwhile, missiles and drones shot by Iran at Israel: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68810053
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,959

    Why not? Selections not complete in all seats, with bookies worried in particular about punters having inside information about which Conservative MPs will announce this week that they will not be standing, or perhaps fear of offending the government at a time when regulation of the betting industry is in the spotlight?

    For the 2015 general election we had constituency markets up in 2013.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,122

    Why not? Selections not complete in all seats, with bookies worried in particular about punters having inside information about which Conservative MPs will announce this week that they will not be standing, or perhaps fear of offending the government at a time when regulation of the betting industry is in the spotlight?

    I think it more that quite a challenge to know what odds to set.

    Spread betting and exchanges set themselves, but do need liquidity, but the usual constituency markets at orthodox bookies are simply risky. Which Con seat should be a 1.02 to hold now, when we are in Lab take Fidcot territory?
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,704

    Good morning, everyone.

    Meanwhile, missiles and drones shot by Iran at Israel: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68810053

    And the Heil leads on Angela Rayner!!

    Good morning everyone!
  • Penddu2Penddu2 Posts: 718
    My prediction on Iran-Israel spat:
    1. Iran will claim that their attack was a proportionate response to Damascus attack and is now complete. Their population will claim victory.
    2. America will put extreme pressure on Israel to stand down. They will claim that US, UK, Jordan & Saudi were all actively involved in defence of Israel and enough is enough.
    3. Israel will grudgingly accept that nothing was hit - they will seethe and plot but will agree to stand down.

    But in the longer term....the long awaited Iran v Saudi/UAE war will kick off
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,122
    I see the private system is providing extra capacity at an average cost of £150 000 per year.

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/apr/13/vulnerable-children-illegal-unregulated-care-homes-england
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,146
    Penddu2 said:

    My prediction on Iran-Israel spat:
    1. Iran will claim that their attack was a proportionate response to Damascus attack and is now complete. Their population will claim victory.
    2. America will put extreme pressure on Israel to stand down. They will claim that US, UK, Jordan & Saudi were all actively involved in defence of Israel and enough is enough.
    3. Israel will grudgingly accept that nothing was hit - they will seethe and plot but will agree to stand down.

    But in the longer term....the long awaited Iran v Saudi/UAE war will kick off

    3 (b). Nevertheless here will be another (perhaps several) 'neither confirm or deny' attack on Iranian targets.

    Israel is that internet wanker who always has to have the last word.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,778
    Penddu2 said:

    My prediction on Iran-Israel spat:
    1. Iran will claim that their attack was a proportionate response to Damascus attack and is now complete. Their population will claim victory.
    2. America will put extreme pressure on Israel to stand down. They will claim that US, UK, Jordan & Saudi were all actively involved in defence of Israel and enough is enough.
    3. Israel will grudgingly accept that nothing was hit - they will seethe and plot but will agree to stand down.

    But in the longer term....the long awaited Iran v Saudi/UAE war will kick off

    BBC:
    Iran's mission to the UN cited the UN Charter provision for self defence, under Article 51, and said that it considered the "matter... concluded"
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,457

    Penddu2 said:

    My prediction on Iran-Israel spat:
    1. Iran will claim that their attack was a proportionate response to Damascus attack and is now complete. Their population will claim victory.
    2. America will put extreme pressure on Israel to stand down. They will claim that US, UK, Jordan & Saudi were all actively involved in defence of Israel and enough is enough.
    3. Israel will grudgingly accept that nothing was hit - they will seethe and plot but will agree to stand down.

    But in the longer term....the long awaited Iran v Saudi/UAE war will kick off

    3 (b). Nevertheless here will be another (perhaps several) 'neither confirm or deny' attack on Iranian targets.

    Israel is that internet wanker who always has to have the last word.
    That's a little unfair, given that Iran (via its proxies) is the Internet wanker who creates lots of sockpuppets to fulfil its aims, whilst being too cowardly to argue themselves. Until last night...

    I do wonder if part of the aim last night was to better understand Israeli defences, and to deplete them of missiles/ammo somewhat.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,457
    Cicero said:

    Any MP working for KGB news is a wrong un and I would certainly hope that the voters in their constituencies would vote to eject their part time representatives.

    They never got rid of a long-standing member for Portsmouth South, did they? The one who had a Russian as his 'aide', and who chaired the Russia group...

    Oh, and he was a Lib Dem...
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,682
    Not sure if this has already been mentiond but I do find it somewhat ironic that a state that began its existence with an attack on the embassy of another sovereign state, is now moaning about its own embassy, which was being used to attack yet another sovereign state, being bombed.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,721
    edited April 14
    Penddu2 said:

    My prediction on Iran-Israel spat:
    1. Iran will claim that their attack was a proportionate response to Damascus attack and is now complete. Their population will claim victory.
    2. America will put extreme pressure on Israel to stand down. They will claim that US, UK, Jordan & Saudi were all actively involved in defence of Israel and enough is enough.
    3. Israel will grudgingly accept that nothing was hit - they will seethe and plot but will agree to stand down.

    But in the longer term....the long awaited Iran v Saudi/UAE war will kick off

    Iran's 'population' will not claim any victory by their government. They even boo Palestinian flags.

    But yes, I suspect that they won't fire any more missiles unless Netanyahu wades full in. They didn't actually achieve anything after all other than to look rather inept. And I don't think even Netanyahu's crazy enough to launch a full-scale war with Iran.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406
    ydoethur said:

    Penddu2 said:

    My prediction on Iran-Israel spat:
    1. Iran will claim that their attack was a proportionate response to Damascus attack and is now complete. Their population will claim victory.
    2. America will put extreme pressure on Israel to stand down. They will claim that US, UK, Jordan & Saudi were all actively involved in defence of Israel and enough is enough.
    3. Israel will grudgingly accept that nothing was hit - they will seethe and plot but will agree to stand down.

    But in the longer term....the long awaited Iran v Saudi/UAE war will kick off

    Iran's 'population' will not claim any victory by their government. They even boo Palestinian flags.

    But yes, I suspect that they won't fire any more missiles unless Netanyahu wades full in. They didn't actually achieve anything after all other than to look rather inept. And I don't think even Netanyahu's crazy enough to launch a full-scale war with Iran.
    "Overcast day ahead, so England just need to bat sensibly today"
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,122
    Russian pacifist tortured to death for aiding Ukranians from occupied areas return to Ukraine.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/13/a-russian-pacifist-helped-ukrainians-flee-the-country-then-the-kremlin-caught-him
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,682
    edited April 14
    Foxy said:

    Not sure if this has already been mentiond but I do find it somewhat ironic that a state that began its existence with an attack on the embassy of another sovereign state, is now moaning about its own embassy, which was being used to attack yet another sovereign state, being bombed.

    Are you pointing at the Iranian seizure of the US Embassy in 1979, or the Israeli bombing of the British Embassy in Rome in 1946?

    The US embassy. But the British embassy bombing is also a good example. But it is Iran who are claiming to be the injured party here.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,449
    Foxy said:

    I see the private system is providing extra capacity at an average cost of £150 000 per year.

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/apr/13/vulnerable-children-illegal-unregulated-care-homes-england

    Councils having responsibility but insufficient spending power.

    Private Equity seeing an opportunity to buy in and charge whatever they damn well please.

    It was bound to end like this. Ted Heath on faces of capitalism rather applies here. (Would Rishi, bless him, be able to make the same point, or have large chunks of capitalism just become too faceless?)
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 6,919
    Biden has told Netanyahu the US will not engage in offensive operations against Iran.

    It feels like what could have been a very high moment of danger has receded a bit. The question now is how Israel responds.

    My concern is that Israel now knows its enemy will casually lob some missiles at it from its territory. At the moment it’s conventional drones and missiles. But at what point in the future could it fire a WMD?

    There must be a train of thinking in the Israeli government that the time to strike the Iranian nuclear sites is now.

    Assuming no significant Israeli response, all this latest episode has done is reinforced, if anyone was still doubtful, that we need to start investing more in defence, pronto. We can’t rely on states in our rapidly destabilising world to play nicely and in a de-escalatory manner, and our tech and capabilities need to be rock-solid.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    ydoethur said:

    Penddu2 said:

    My prediction on Iran-Israel spat:
    1. Iran will claim that their attack was a proportionate response to Damascus attack and is now complete. Their population will claim victory.
    2. America will put extreme pressure on Israel to stand down. They will claim that US, UK, Jordan & Saudi were all actively involved in defence of Israel and enough is enough.
    3. Israel will grudgingly accept that nothing was hit - they will seethe and plot but will agree to stand down.

    But in the longer term....the long awaited Iran v Saudi/UAE war will kick off

    Iran's 'population' will not claim any victory by their government. They even boo Palestinian flags.

    But yes, I suspect that they won't fire any more missiles unless Netanyahu wades full in. They didn't actually achieve anything after all other than to look rather inept. And I don't think even Netanyahu's crazy enough to launch a full-scale war with Iran.
    Why not it would be classed as "self defence"
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    Pulpstar said:

    ydoethur said:

    Penddu2 said:

    My prediction on Iran-Israel spat:
    1. Iran will claim that their attack was a proportionate response to Damascus attack and is now complete. Their population will claim victory.
    2. America will put extreme pressure on Israel to stand down. They will claim that US, UK, Jordan & Saudi were all actively involved in defence of Israel and enough is enough.
    3. Israel will grudgingly accept that nothing was hit - they will seethe and plot but will agree to stand down.

    But in the longer term....the long awaited Iran v Saudi/UAE war will kick off

    Iran's 'population' will not claim any victory by their government. They even boo Palestinian flags.

    But yes, I suspect that they won't fire any more missiles unless Netanyahu wades full in. They didn't actually achieve anything after all other than to look rather inept. And I don't think even Netanyahu's crazy enough to launch a full-scale war with Iran.
    "Overcast day ahead, so England just need to bat sensibly today"
    The main game in Wales is evenly poised but Derbyshire Nedd some early Glamorgan wickets
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,693
    ydoethur said:

    Penddu2 said:

    My prediction on Iran-Israel spat:
    1. Iran will claim that their attack was a proportionate response to Damascus attack and is now complete. Their population will claim victory.
    2. America will put extreme pressure on Israel to stand down. They will claim that US, UK, Jordan & Saudi were all actively involved in defence of Israel and enough is enough.
    3. Israel will grudgingly accept that nothing was hit - they will seethe and plot but will agree to stand down.

    But in the longer term....the long awaited Iran v Saudi/UAE war will kick off

    Iran's 'population' will not claim any victory by their government. They even boo Palestinian flags.

    But yes, I suspect that they won't fire any more missiles unless Netanyahu wades full in. They didn't actually achieve anything after all other than to look rather inept. And I don't think even Netanyahu's crazy enough to launch a full-scale war with Iran.
    Netanyahu has serious small-dick syndrome so he will certainly retaliate.

    The only one he'll perhaps listen (somewhat) to is Biden and the US, so they'll no doubt be setting out the limits to him this morning.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,145

    Foxy said:

    I see the private system is providing extra capacity at an average cost of £150 000 per year.

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/apr/13/vulnerable-children-illegal-unregulated-care-homes-england

    Councils having responsibility but insufficient spending power.

    Private Equity seeing an opportunity to buy in and charge whatever they damn well please.

    It was bound to end like this. Ted Heath on faces of capitalism rather applies here. (Would Rishi, bless him, be able to make the same point, or have large chunks of capitalism just become too faceless?)
    I’m not sure that we have capitalism now, in the theoretical sense. Too many sectors of the economy have been captured by oligopolies.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,457

    ydoethur said:

    Penddu2 said:

    My prediction on Iran-Israel spat:
    1. Iran will claim that their attack was a proportionate response to Damascus attack and is now complete. Their population will claim victory.
    2. America will put extreme pressure on Israel to stand down. They will claim that US, UK, Jordan & Saudi were all actively involved in defence of Israel and enough is enough.
    3. Israel will grudgingly accept that nothing was hit - they will seethe and plot but will agree to stand down.

    But in the longer term....the long awaited Iran v Saudi/UAE war will kick off

    Iran's 'population' will not claim any victory by their government. They even boo Palestinian flags.

    But yes, I suspect that they won't fire any more missiles unless Netanyahu wades full in. They didn't actually achieve anything after all other than to look rather inept. And I don't think even Netanyahu's crazy enough to launch a full-scale war with Iran.
    Why not it would be classed as "self defence"
    By that same 'argument'; would you class what Israel is doing in Gaza as 'self defence' after October 7th attacks?

    In addition, Iran has been doing these attacks for years; but just using proxies.

    Don't fall into the trap of making the Iranians out to be the victims, or even the good guys, in this. Israel *may* be the 'bad' guys; but if so, then they're not alone.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,721
    edited April 14

    Biden has told Netanyahu the US will not engage in offensive operations against Iran.

    It feels like what could have been a very high moment of danger has receded a bit. The question now is how Israel responds.

    My concern is that Israel now knows its enemy will casually lob some missiles at it from its territory. At the moment it’s conventional drones and missiles. But at what point in the future could it fire a WMD?

    There must be a train of thinking in the Israeli government that the time to strike the Iranian nuclear sites is now.

    Assuming no significant Israeli response, all this latest episode has done is reinforced, if anyone was still doubtful, that we need to start investing more in defence, pronto. We can’t rely on states in our rapidly destabilising world to play nicely and in a de-escalatory manner, and our tech and capabilities need to be rock-solid.

    I wonder how far Putin will be willing to let the ayatollahs go.

    So far, his strategy in widening the war to take the pressure off his forces in Ukraine has had some positive effect for him. It's destabilised the US Congress allowing his stooges there to block aid, distracted Biden by causing him electoral pressure in an election year, and put pressure on oil prices meaning the Ukrainians will be unpopular when they strike Russian oil refining capacity to undercut the economy.

    A full war between Israel and Iran would drag the US in and I can't imagine that's what he wants. There are so many potential downsides for him if it goes badly - not least, the loss of Iranian weaponry that's crucial to Russian operations in Ukraine.

    Equally, Putin has not been making the sanest decisions in recent years (since 2014 when the Iron Maidan Revolution took place, really) so this is a pretty dangerous moment.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,693

    Cicero said:

    Any MP working for KGB news is a wrong un and I would certainly hope that the voters in their constituencies would vote to eject their part time representatives.

    They never got rid of a long-standing member for Portsmouth South, did they? The one who had a Russian as his 'aide', and who chaired the Russia group...

    Oh, and he was a Lib Dem...
    Mike Hancock. Or was it Lord Bath?

    Those two may have swapped roles, regularly.
  • Perhaps there could be market on whether Labour actually get around to selecting a candidate for Didcot & Wantage before the GE is called!
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,721

    Perhaps there could be market on whether Labour actually get around to selecting a candidate for Didcot & Wantage before the GE is called!

    The bookies are waiting to see if WW3 breaks out.

    Only explanation.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,109
    DavidL said:

    Ukraine must feel more than a tad bitter this morning. Last night showed what a proper air defence system supported by American tech can do. And yet thousands upon thousands of their people have been killed by similar weapons whilst they are given just enough to keep them in the war but not enough to keep their people safe.

    I can’t help thinking that it is not going to do much for their somewhat battered morale.

    The Iranian drones are almost always shot down by Ukrainian defences.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,721
    DavidL said:

    Ukraine must feel more than a tad bitter this morning. Last night showed what a proper air defence system supported by American tech can do. And yet thousands upon thousands of their people have been killed by similar weapons whilst they are given just enough to keep them in the war but not enough to keep their people safe.

    I can’t help thinking that it is not going to do much for their somewhat battered morale.

    I seem to remember Zelensky asked for Iron Dome but Israel refused to let them have it. They seem to have been nervous about upsetting the Russians.

    I wonder if they now regret their intransigence. After all, they ended up being targeted anyway.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 6,919
    ydoethur said:

    Biden has told Netanyahu the US will not engage in offensive operations against Iran.

    It feels like what could have been a very high moment of danger has receded a bit. The question now is how Israel responds.

    My concern is that Israel now knows its enemy will casually lob some missiles at it from its territory. At the moment it’s conventional drones and missiles. But at what point in the future could it fire a WMD?

    There must be a train of thinking in the Israeli government that the time to strike the Iranian nuclear sites is now.

    Assuming no significant Israeli response, all this latest episode has done is reinforced, if anyone was still doubtful, that we need to start investing more in defence, pronto. We can’t rely on states in our rapidly destabilising world to play nicely and in a de-escalatory manner, and our tech and capabilities need to be rock-solid.

    I wonder how far Putin will be willing to let the ayatollahs go.

    So far, his strategy in widening the war to take the pressure off his forces in Ukraine has had some positive effect for him. It's destabilised the US Congress allowing his stooges there to block aid, distracted Biden by causing him electoral pressure in an election year, and put pressure on oil prices meaning the Ukrainians will be unpopular when they strike Russian oil refining capacity to undercut the economy.

    A full war between Israel and Iran would drag the US in and I can't imagine that's what he wants. There are so many potential downsides for him if it goes badly - not least, the loss of Iranian weaponry that's crucial to Russian operations in Ukraine.

    Equally, Putin has not been making the sanest decisions in recent years (since 2014 when the Iron Maidan Revolution took place, really) so this is a pretty dangerous moment.
    Not sure this one has the hand of Putin behind it, though he no doubt was aware given the closeness between Russia and Iran.

    It does serve him somewhat in it reinforces the “look how dangerous the world has gotten under Biden” right wing talking point. Although actually (and with the caveat that we are not through this particular crisis yet) what last night and this morning has actually shown, conversely, is that Biden is once again a rather skilled diplomatic operator. Whether it will be seen like that (hint, in many quarters, it won’t) is another matter.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,997
    Damn, it appears that it wasn’t a bad dream after all.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,014

    DavidL said:

    Ukraine must feel more than a tad bitter this morning. Last night showed what a proper air defence system supported by American tech can do. And yet thousands upon thousands of their people have been killed by similar weapons whilst they are given just enough to keep them in the war but not enough to keep their people safe.

    I can’t help thinking that it is not going to do much for their somewhat battered morale.

    The Iranian drones are almost always shot down by Ukrainian defences.
    The missiles are not. And, of course, Ukraine is not alone. Last night also showed how utterly inept the Russian air defence systems are as infrastructure and defence systems are constantly struck by Ukrainian drones deep inside Russia itself.

    I frankly wonder how we would have coped.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,457
    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    Ukraine must feel more than a tad bitter this morning. Last night showed what a proper air defence system supported by American tech can do. And yet thousands upon thousands of their people have been killed by similar weapons whilst they are given just enough to keep them in the war but not enough to keep their people safe.

    I can’t help thinking that it is not going to do much for their somewhat battered morale.

    I seem to remember Zelensky asked for Iron Dome but Israel refused to let them have it. They seem to have been nervous about upsetting the Russians.

    I wonder if they now regret their intransigence. After all, they ended up being targeted anyway.
    Wasn't it that they wanted the US to give them the example of Iron Dome that Israel had given the Americans, and that the Americans refused, sending it back to Israel instead?

    But yes, Israel's 'support' of Russia early on in this conflict was hideous, and their backtracking in the last year far too late, and far too weak.

    Israel picked the wrong side.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,997
    That’s a rather large piece of empty airspace everyone is routing around. Add to the closed Ukranian and Russian airspace, and long-haul flying surely gets rather more complicated.



  • sbjme19sbjme19 Posts: 194

    Perhaps there could be market on whether Labour actually get around to selecting a candidate for Didcot & Wantage before the GE is called!

    Another odd one is Staffs Moorlands, possible Labour gain. Karen Bradley hasn't said anything about future plans but good idea to stay because she hasn't got any opponents!
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 28,417
    Senior Tories fear super-rich donors have stranglehold over Downing Street
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/04/13/top-10-tory-donors-mansour-sainsbury-honours-row-labour-tra/ (£££)


  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,084
    I’m off for a walk with my Surrey tory friend. Cue CR’s disbelief.

    I’ll leave you men to your war talk …

    Have a nice day. xx
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,959
    Sandpit said:

    Damn, it appears that it wasn’t a bad dream after all.

    I know, what Shi’ite news to wake up to.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,693
    Heathener said:

    I’m off for a walk with my Surrey tory friend. Cue CR’s disbelief.

    I’ll leave you men to your war talk …

    Have a nice day. xx

    Enjoy your walk around Singapore with your pilot friend before flying back for your postal round later this afternoon and your Opera later tonight.

    Lots of love xxx
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,145
    sbjme19 said:

    Perhaps there could be market on whether Labour actually get around to selecting a candidate for Didcot & Wantage before the GE is called!

    Another odd one is Staffs Moorlands, possible Labour gain. Karen Bradley hasn't said anything about future plans but good idea to stay because she hasn't got any opponents!
    I always thought that Labour Party rules only allowed HQ-imposed candidates when an election had been called, but it seems that under Starmer HQ now has that power at any time. Here in IOW east Labour has been grumbling for ages that HQ was blocking them holding a candidate selection, for which the MRPs suggest might just be a long shot gain. Last week they were told that HQ is imposing a local councillor who is a well known trans activist onto them. I’d guess the motivation is so the party nationally can point to having a trans candidate - she stood previously in (hopeless, for Labour) Sutton & Cheam and if that means giving up a possible gain on some faraway island, so be it. Needless to say the Labour activists here aren’t happy about being shut out from the selection process.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,145
    The R4 weatherman sounds like he’s about to drop dead
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,997
    edited April 14
    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    Ukraine must feel more than a tad bitter this morning. Last night showed what a proper air defence system supported by American tech can do. And yet thousands upon thousands of their people have been killed by similar weapons whilst they are given just enough to keep them in the war but not enough to keep their people safe.

    I can’t help thinking that it is not going to do much for their somewhat battered morale.

    I seem to remember Zelensky asked for Iron Dome but Israel refused to let them have it. They seem to have been nervous about upsetting the Russians.

    I wonder if they now regret their intransigence. After all, they ended up being targeted anyway.
    It’s joint US-Israeli technology, and the Israelis don’t want to send it to Ukraine lest it ends up with the enemy (meaning Russia and Iran).

    It’s a much smaller and cheaper system than Patriot, aimed at smaller missiles as have characterised the attacks on Israel in recent years, costs $50k a missile, vs $4m for Patriot, the larger system being more useful against incoming aircraft and large missiles.

    It would definitely be useful for Ukraine, and there’s a formal request to Israel to allow the export of the technology from the US. The Israelis do have half a point about capture though, Iran would put a large bounty on stealing parts of the system for analysis.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,466

    Heathener said:

    I’m off for a walk with my Surrey tory friend. Cue CR’s disbelief.

    I’ll leave you men to your war talk …

    Have a nice day. xx

    Enjoy your walk around Singapore with your pilot friend before flying back for your postal round later this afternoon and your Opera later tonight.

    Lots of love xxx
    Do you two need to get a room?
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,466
    On topic, I like Sporting Index but have to caution that they have a bad habit of suspending markets for a long time for no obvious reason. This is a real hazard if you areinvesting in, say, seat markets at the GE. You may have a nice position when the supsension starts, but that may be jeopardised if facts on the ground change while the suspension is in place.

    I think Sporting have been burned once or twice, which would explain their caution, but obviously if they use suspensions excessively they are blunting one of the punters most important tools, namely the ability to move swiftly in and out of positions as circumstances require.

    I wouldn't avoid Sporting, but be aware they can do this and exercise caution accordingly.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,959
    Oh dear, we are approaching Iain Gray levels here.

    Humza Yousaf’s popularity has plunged with the Scottish public and his own supporters after controversies around new hate crime laws, a poll has found.

    In a major blow to the first minister, more SNP voters believe he is doing a bad job than think he is performing well as his overall personal rating dips to around the same level as Conservative leaders in Scotland.

    Just 29 per cent of people who voted for the nationalists at the last general election believe he is doing a good job, compared with 36 per cent who think he has been poor in office, while the rest are either neutral or unsure.


    This gives Yousaf a net score of -7 among the independence supporters who are crucial to his electoral fortunes and represents a huge fall since January, when he scored +14 amongst SNP voters....

    ...There was also a marked dip in enthusiasm for both Sir Keir Starmer, the UK Labour leader, and his Scottish counterpart, Anas Sarwar, whose popularity dropped by 13 points and 14 points respectively.

    Starmer’s rating of -26 and Sarwar’s score of -17 has coincided with a fall in Labour’s vote share since Norstat’s last poll in January but the party is still on course to gain seats in Scotland that could be key to it securing a majority in the House of Commons.

    Yousaf suffered the most with a 15-point fall in his approval ratings to -32 with the general public. This puts him just three points ahead of Rishi Sunak after the prime minister bucked the trend to increase his popularity by 10 points to a still lowly -35.

    Support for Labour has fallen by four points to 32 per cent while backing for the SNP had fallen by one point to the same level.

    This is the lowest score the nationalists have recorded with Norstat since the 2014 independence referendum and, according to analysis by Curtice, would result in them returning just 18 MPs in a dramatic reversal of fortunes. By contrast, Labour would win 28 constituencies and be the largest party in Scotland.

    Support for independence is at 47 per cent when undecided voters are excluded, compared with 53 per cent backing the Union.





    This is from Norstat which is the pollster formerly known as Panelbase.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,146

    So, it transpires that the Australian 'terrorist' was an all-Australian surfer boy with mental health issues, which must come as a shock to those who assumed (hoped?) that it was an Islamic terrorist. The normal suspects seem not to be following the story any more.

    It's high time that Australia clamped down on the influx of deranged surfers. Maybe extradite them to Rwanda?

    Lest we forget in this time of crisis, let's not lose sight of those who shat the bed over the tragic events in Australia. This fckn idiot high on her own social media supply for example.



  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,177
    .
    Sandpit said:

    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    Ukraine must feel more than a tad bitter this morning. Last night showed what a proper air defence system supported by American tech can do. And yet thousands upon thousands of their people have been killed by similar weapons whilst they are given just enough to keep them in the war but not enough to keep their people safe.

    I can’t help thinking that it is not going to do much for their somewhat battered morale.

    I seem to remember Zelensky asked for Iron Dome but Israel refused to let them have it. They seem to have been nervous about upsetting the Russians.

    I wonder if they now regret their intransigence. After all, they ended up being targeted anyway.
    It’s joint US-Israeli technology, and the Israelis don’t want to send it to Ukraine lest it ends up with the enemy (meaning Russia and Iran).

    It’s a much smaller and cheaper system than Patriot, aimed at smaller missiles as have characterised the attacks on Israel in recent years, costs $50k a missile, vs $4m for Patriot, the larger system being more useful against incoming aircraft and large missiles.

    It would definitely be useful for Ukraine, and there’s a formal request to Israel to allow the export of the technology from the US. The Israelis do have half a point about capture though, Iran would put a large bounty on stealing parts of the system for analysis.
    In the last couple of years, Israel being an ally of the west has proved a pretty one sided relationship.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,466
    Off topic, can anyone suggest a decent alternative to the RAC's breakdown service?

    They let me down badly recently. It seems they don't take phone calls any more. You have to report via the internet. The downsides will be immediately obvious to both my readers so I won't bother to list them. Just note that they haven't occurred to the RAC so if you are with them and you don't wish to be stranded as I was recently, you might like to change to a different outfit before you find out the hard way.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,959
    edited April 14

    Off topic, can anyone suggest a decent alternative to the RAC's breakdown service?

    They let me down badly recently. It seems they don't take phone calls any more. You have to report via the internet. The downsides will be immediately obvious to both my readers so I won't bother to list them. Just note that they haven't occurred to the RAC so if you are with them and you don't wish to be stranded as I was recently, you might like to change to a different outfit before you find out the hard way.

    The AA, they have never let me down, the RAC on the other hand.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,177
    Apparently Iran did use a large number of intermediate range ballistic missiles of some sort last night.

    Additional clearer footage of Israeli Arrow ABM conducting an exoatmospheric (space) kill on an Iranian ballistic missile earlier tonight.
    https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1779312589039694002
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,277
    So as expected the vast majority of drones and missiles were shot down . No we wait to see what Netenyahu decides is his best action for self preservation.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,466

    Off topic, can anyone suggest a decent alternative to the RAC's breakdown service?

    They let me down badly recently. It seems they don't take phone calls any more. You have to report via the internet. The downsides will be immediately obvious to both my readers so I won't bother to list them. Just note that they haven't occurred to the RAC so if you are with them and you don't wish to be stranded as I was recently, you might like to change to a different outfit before you find out the hard way.

    The AA, they have never let me down, the RAC on the other hand.
    Thanks, TSE. They are top of my list at the moment.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,177
    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Ukraine must feel more than a tad bitter this morning. Last night showed what a proper air defence system supported by American tech can do. And yet thousands upon thousands of their people have been killed by similar weapons whilst they are given just enough to keep them in the war but not enough to keep their people safe.

    I can’t help thinking that it is not going to do much for their somewhat battered morale.

    The Iranian drones are almost always shot down by Ukrainian defences.
    The missiles are not. And, of course, Ukraine is not alone. Last night also showed how utterly inept the Russian air defence systems are as infrastructure and defence systems are constantly struck by Ukrainian drones deep inside Russia itself.

    I frankly wonder how we would have coped.
    Unless we go to war with the EU, we're unlikely to face that kind of attack.

    Though a Russia which occupied Ukraine would be much more of a threat than the current version.
  • darkagedarkage Posts: 5,398

    So, it transpires that the Australian 'terrorist' was an all-Australian surfer boy with mental health issues, which must come as a shock to those who assumed (hoped?) that it was an Islamic terrorist. The normal suspects seem not to be following the story any more.

    It's high time that Australia clamped down on the influx of deranged surfers. Maybe extradite them to Rwanda?

    The one thing about this story is how the police officer who shot the guy involved has been recognised as a hero. Common sense. I wonder though if that would happen in the UK?
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,498

    Off topic, can anyone suggest a decent alternative to the RAC's breakdown service?

    They let me down badly recently. It seems they don't take phone calls any more. You have to report via the internet. The downsides will be immediately obvious to both my readers so I won't bother to list them. Just note that they haven't occurred to the RAC so if you are with them and you don't wish to be stranded as I was recently, you might like to change to a different outfit before you find out the hard way.

    Peter, Green Flag seem to be one of the better ones according to reviews, I only ever used them once for flat battery but no complaints.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,959

    Off topic, can anyone suggest a decent alternative to the RAC's breakdown service?

    They let me down badly recently. It seems they don't take phone calls any more. You have to report via the internet. The downsides will be immediately obvious to both my readers so I won't bother to list them. Just note that they haven't occurred to the RAC so if you are with them and you don't wish to be stranded as I was recently, you might like to change to a different outfit before you find out the hard way.

    The AA, they have never let me down, the RAC on the other hand.
    Thanks, TSE. They are top of my list at the moment.
    Avoid Green Flag and others, they just are a network of local breakdown companies, so can be hit and miss, not been with them but heard horror stories about them.

    RAC screwed me over a few years. One time they cancelled a callout to my home because they thought I didn't have home start (I did) and once they made me wait 3 hours when I was broken down away from home.
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,277
    In other news the Tories will cut cold weather payments to disabled people if they win the election .

    #ToryScum
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,177
    Nigelb said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Ukraine must feel more than a tad bitter this morning. Last night showed what a proper air defence system supported by American tech can do. And yet thousands upon thousands of their people have been killed by similar weapons whilst they are given just enough to keep them in the war but not enough to keep their people safe.

    I can’t help thinking that it is not going to do much for their somewhat battered morale.

    The Iranian drones are almost always shot down by Ukrainian defences.
    The missiles are not. And, of course, Ukraine is not alone. Last night also showed how utterly inept the Russian air defence systems are as infrastructure and defence systems are constantly struck by Ukrainian drones deep inside Russia itself.

    I frankly wonder how we would have coped.
    Unless we go to war with the EU, we're unlikely to face that kind of attack.

    Though a Russia which occupied Ukraine would be much more of a threat than the current version.
    Of course another factor is that both Ukraine and Russia have a much larger geographical dispersion of targets to defend, which gives them a much harder technical problem than that of Israel. Or indeed us.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,942
    edited April 14

    Off topic, can anyone suggest a decent alternative to the RAC's breakdown service?

    They let me down badly recently. It seems they don't take phone calls any more. You have to report via the internet. The downsides will be immediately obvious to both my readers so I won't bother to list them. Just note that they haven't occurred to the RAC so if you are with them and you don't wish to be stranded as I was recently, you might like to change to a different outfit before you find out the hard way.

    The AA, they have never let me down, the RAC on the other hand.
    Thanks, TSE. They are top of my list at the moment.
    Avoid Green Flag and others, they just are a network of local breakdown companies, so can be hit and miss, not been with them but heard horror stories about them.

    RAC screwed me over a few years. One time they cancelled a callout to my home because they thought I didn't have home start (I did) and once they made me wait 3 hours when I was broken down away from home.
    I'm with Green Flag and @TSE is correct in how they operate, but I have had nothing but excellent service from them. Been with them for decades.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,450
    Penddu2 said:

    My prediction on Iran-Israel spat:
    1. Iran will claim that their attack was a proportionate response to Damascus attack and is now complete. Their population will claim victory.
    2. America will put extreme pressure on Israel to stand down. They will claim that US, UK, Jordan & Saudi were all actively involved in defence of Israel and enough is enough.
    3. Israel will grudgingly accept that nothing was hit - they will seethe and plot but will agree to stand down.

    But in the longer term....the long awaited Iran v Saudi/UAE war will kick
    off

    Not convinced on 3

    Netenyahu was doing his whole “eye for an eye” routine last night.

    I would hope that *America* would do a proportionate response on Israel’s behalf and then they could all just go back to peaceably hating each other

  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,450
    Foxy said:

    I see the private system is providing extra capacity at an average cost of £150 000 per year.

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/apr/13/vulnerable-children-illegal-unregulated-care-homes-england

    Most of that is staff costs. These organisations work on a negotiated price which is cost + margin

  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,909
    darkage said:

    So, it transpires that the Australian 'terrorist' was an all-Australian surfer boy with mental health issues, which must come as a shock to those who assumed (hoped?) that it was an Islamic terrorist. The normal suspects seem not to be following the story any more.

    It's high time that Australia clamped down on the influx of deranged surfers. Maybe extradite them to Rwanda?

    The one thing about this story is how the police officer who shot the guy involved has been recognised as a hero. Common sense. I wonder though if that would happen in the UK?
    Do you have to wonder? I thought we'd had a fair number of terrorist attacks which were ended by the police shooting the terrorists dead.

    I don't recall the police being hailed as heroes, though I'm sure people were grateful they were there and did what needed to be done. The people who have been hailed as heroes have been people like the chap with the narwhal horn, or the lady who intervened with Lee Rigby's killer.

    People have only criticised the police when they've unloaded their weapons into complete innocents, like Harry Stanley or Jean Charles de Menezes.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,177
    edited April 14
    Another difference between Israel and Ukraine is that the former has a much more capable airforce, which was able to intercept a lot of the drones over neighbouring territory, hostile or not.

    Ukraine's airforce is barely able to offer air defence over its own terrotory.

    Which makes DuraAce's assurance from a couple of years back that F16s would be useless to them look nonsense.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,959
    edited April 14
    kjh said:

    Off topic, can anyone suggest a decent alternative to the RAC's breakdown service?

    They let me down badly recently. It seems they don't take phone calls any more. You have to report via the internet. The downsides will be immediately obvious to both my readers so I won't bother to list them. Just note that they haven't occurred to the RAC so if you are with them and you don't wish to be stranded as I was recently, you might like to change to a different outfit before you find out the hard way.

    The AA, they have never let me down, the RAC on the other hand.
    Thanks, TSE. They are top of my list at the moment.
    Avoid Green Flag and others, they just are a network of local breakdown companies, so can be hit and miss, not been with them but heard horror stories about them.

    RAC screwed me over a few years. One time they cancelled a callout to my home because they thought I didn't have home start (I did) and once they made me wait 3 hours when I was broken down away from home.
    I'm with Green Flag and @TSE is correct in how they operate, but I have had nothing but excellent service from them. Been with them for decades.
    From what I have heard Green Flag (unlike The AA) do not pay much extra for unsociable hours and holidays which is why Green Flag struggle to respond at times like Christmas and at 10pm.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,937

    Good morning, everyone.

    Meanwhile, missiles and drones shot by Iran at Israel: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68810053

    And the Heil leads on Angela Rayner!!

    Good morning everyone!
    The Mail must think they have a chance of getting Rayner's scalp. Not sure what that would do other than feed into a low-vote "They're all as bad as each other" meme.

    Sunday Times also has a front page piece "BBC pulled Rayner clip after Labour complaint". Some nervousness in Labour circles?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,122

    Off topic, can anyone suggest a decent alternative to the RAC's breakdown service?

    They let me down badly recently. It seems they don't take phone calls any more. You have to report via the internet. The downsides will be immediately obvious to both my readers so I won't bother to list them. Just note that they haven't occurred to the RAC so if you are with them and you don't wish to be stranded as I was recently, you might like to change to a different outfit before you find out the hard way.

    The AA, they have never let me down, the RAC on the other hand.
    Thanks, TSE. They are top of my list at the moment.
    Avoid Green Flag and others, they just are a network of local breakdown companies, so can be hit and miss, not been with them but heard horror stories about them.

    RAC screwed me over a few years. One time they cancelled a callout to my home because they thought I didn't have home start (I did) and once they made me wait 3 hours when I was broken down away from home.
    I too have had a bad experience with Green Flag, and would avoid.

    They replaced a tyre on Mrs Foxy's car, and 100 miles later the car lost control on a motorway putting her in hospital, and the car and another one was a total write off. It was too damaged for the investigators to prove a cause, but my suspicions remain.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,937
    Nigelb said:

    Another difference between Israel and Ukraine is that the former has a much more capable airforce, which was able to intercept a lot of the drones over neighbouring territory, hostile or not.

    Ukraine's airforce is barely able to offer air defence over its own territory.

    Plus Israel's airforce has been greatly supplemented by that of the USA, Britain and even the Saudis.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,959

    Good morning, everyone.

    Meanwhile, missiles and drones shot by Iran at Israel: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68810053

    And the Heil leads on Angela Rayner!!

    Good morning everyone!
    The Mail must think they have a chance of getting Rayner's scalp. Not sure what that would do other than feed into a low-vote "They're all as bad as each other" meme.

    Sunday Times also has a front page piece "BBC pulled Rayner clip after Labour complaint". Some nervousness in Labour circles?
    Gets worse for Rayner.

    Angela Rayner’s former aide contradicts her claim in tax row

    Matt Finnegan, who wrote a novel about a smart, northerner ‘diva’ MP, has made a statement to police


    A few weeks before Angela Rayner was elected Labour’s deputy leader in 2020, her former adviser published a thriller about an ambitious trade union official turned MP known to her staff as “the Diva”.

    Its author, Matt Finnegan, had recently left Rayner’s employment with a £20,000 payout and non-disclosure agreement after accusing her of disability discrimination and unfair dismissal. He insisted the novel Betrayal was “complete fiction”, meaning lurid claims about the private life of its protagonist — a smart and combative northerner with a penchant for shoes who had other striking similarities to his former boss — were ignored.

    Yet it is his allegations of fact that will trouble Rayner after he gave a statement to Greater Manchester Police (GMP) saying he visited her at a property in Lowndes Lane, Stockport, in the summer of 2014, around the time she became a parliamentary candidate.

    It contradicts her claim to have lived elsewhere. “There was no doubt in my mind that this was Ms Rayner’s family home, where she lived with her then husband, Mark,” his letter states.

    “I remember it quite vividly because Ms Rayner was not at home at first and I had to wait for some time in my car before she eventually arrived. It was also memorable in that it was the first and only time I visited her home during the course of my voluntary work for her.”


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/angela-rayners-former-aide-contradicts-her-claim-in-tax-row-zm2xgpq2k
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,899
    Good morning everyone. Thanks for the header, TSE.

    Can we have a bet about ex-MPs on GB News as well, since there are more of them?

    Are there any other places with TWO MPs there - we have both Leeanderthal and Gloria, if she is still in the bunker. Though "lunchtime with" needs to be "out to lunch with", given some of the guests.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,337

    Good morning, everyone.

    Meanwhile, missiles and drones shot by Iran at Israel: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68810053

    And the Heil leads on Angela Rayner!!

    Good morning everyone!
    The Mail must think they have a chance of getting Rayner's scalp. Not sure what that would do other than feed into a low-vote "They're all as bad as each other" meme.

    Sunday Times also has a front page piece "BBC pulled Rayner clip after Labour complaint". Some nervousness in Labour circles?
    Gets worse for Rayner.

    Angela Rayner’s former aide contradicts her claim in tax row

    Matt Finnegan, who wrote a novel about a smart, northerner ‘diva’ MP, has made a statement to police


    A few weeks before Angela Rayner was elected Labour’s deputy leader in 2020, her former adviser published a thriller about an ambitious trade union official turned MP known to her staff as “the Diva”.

    Its author, Matt Finnegan, had recently left Rayner’s employment with a £20,000 payout and non-disclosure agreement after accusing her of disability discrimination and unfair dismissal. He insisted the novel Betrayal was “complete fiction”, meaning lurid claims about the private life of its protagonist — a smart and combative northerner with a penchant for shoes who had other striking similarities to his former boss — were ignored.

    Yet it is his allegations of fact that will trouble Rayner after he gave a statement to Greater Manchester Police (GMP) saying he visited her at a property in Lowndes Lane, Stockport, in the summer of 2014, around the time she became a parliamentary candidate.

    It contradicts her claim to have lived elsewhere. “There was no doubt in my mind that this was Ms Rayner’s family home, where she lived with her then husband, Mark,” his letter states.

    “I remember it quite vividly because Ms Rayner was not at home at first and I had to wait for some time in my car before she eventually arrived. It was also memorable in that it was the first and only time I visited her home during the course of my voluntary work for her.”


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/angela-rayners-former-aide-contradicts-her-claim-in-tax-row-zm2xgpq2k
    "Ms Rayner was not at home at first and I had to wait for some time in my car" is certainly conducive to more than one interpretation. As is "around the time she became a parliamentary candidate", given that the house sale was years before.

    I've worked with people for decades and have no idea of their arrangements ...
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,899

    kjh said:

    Off topic, can anyone suggest a decent alternative to the RAC's breakdown service?

    They let me down badly recently. It seems they don't take phone calls any more. You have to report via the internet. The downsides will be immediately obvious to both my readers so I won't bother to list them. Just note that they haven't occurred to the RAC so if you are with them and you don't wish to be stranded as I was recently, you might like to change to a different outfit before you find out the hard way.

    The AA, they have never let me down, the RAC on the other hand.
    Thanks, TSE. They are top of my list at the moment.
    Avoid Green Flag and others, they just are a network of local breakdown companies, so can be hit and miss, not been with them but heard horror stories about them.

    RAC screwed me over a few years. One time they cancelled a callout to my home because they thought I didn't have home start (I did) and once they made me wait 3 hours when I was broken down away from home.
    I'm with Green Flag and @TSE is correct in how they operate, but I have had nothing but excellent service from them. Been with them for decades.
    From what I have heard Green Flag (unlike The AA) do not pay much extra for unsociable hours and holidays which is why Green Flag struggle to respond at times like Christmas and at 10pm.
    I report via the number on the back of my bank card, since it is a bundled service. So I have no idea who the fulfilment partner is, but the car does not break down, which is the best way. And since I don't drive it through the front of the nearest house, that's not a problem either generally.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,177
    .

    Good morning, everyone.

    Meanwhile, missiles and drones shot by Iran at Israel: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68810053

    And the Heil leads on Angela Rayner!!

    Good morning everyone!
    The Mail must think they have a chance of getting Rayner's scalp. Not sure what that would do other than feed into a low-vote "They're all as bad as each other" meme.

    Sunday Times also has a front page piece "BBC pulled Rayner clip after Labour complaint". Some nervousness in Labour circles?
    Gets worse for Rayner.

    Angela Rayner’s former aide contradicts her claim in tax row

    Matt Finnegan, who wrote a novel about a smart, northerner ‘diva’ MP, has made a statement to police


    A few weeks before Angela Rayner was elected Labour’s deputy leader in 2020, her former adviser published a thriller about an ambitious trade union official turned MP known to her staff as “the Diva”.

    Its author, Matt Finnegan, had recently left Rayner’s employment with a £20,000 payout and non-disclosure agreement after accusing her of disability discrimination and unfair dismissal. He insisted the novel Betrayal was “complete fiction”, meaning lurid claims about the private life of its protagonist — a smart and combative northerner with a penchant for shoes who had other striking similarities to his former boss — were ignored.

    Yet it is his allegations of fact that will trouble Rayner after he gave a statement to Greater Manchester Police (GMP) saying he visited her at a property in Lowndes Lane, Stockport, in the summer of 2014, around the time she became a parliamentary candidate.

    It contradicts her claim to have lived elsewhere. “There was no doubt in my mind that this was Ms Rayner’s family home, where she lived with her then husband, Mark,” his letter states.

    “I remember it quite vividly because Ms Rayner was not at home at first and I had to wait for some time in my car before she eventually arrived. It was also memorable in that it was the first and only time I visited her home during the course of my voluntary work for her.”


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/angela-rayners-former-aide-contradicts-her-claim-in-tax-row-zm2xgpq2k
    So what ?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,805

    Good morning, everyone.

    Meanwhile, missiles and drones shot by Iran at Israel: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68810053

    And the Heil leads on Angela Rayner!!

    Good morning everyone!
    The Mail must think they have a chance of getting Rayner's scalp. Not sure what that would do other than feed into a low-vote "They're all as bad as each other" meme.

    Sunday Times also has a front page piece "BBC pulled Rayner clip after Labour complaint". Some nervousness in Labour circles?
    Gets worse for Rayner.

    Angela Rayner’s former aide contradicts her claim in tax row

    Matt Finnegan, who wrote a novel about a smart, northerner ‘diva’ MP, has made a statement to police


    A few weeks before Angela Rayner was elected Labour’s deputy leader in 2020, her former adviser published a thriller about an ambitious trade union official turned MP known to her staff as “the Diva”.

    Its author, Matt Finnegan, had recently left Rayner’s employment with a £20,000 payout and non-disclosure agreement after accusing her of disability discrimination and unfair dismissal. He insisted the novel Betrayal was “complete fiction”, meaning lurid claims about the private life of its protagonist — a smart and combative northerner with a penchant for shoes who had other striking similarities to his former boss — were ignored.

    Yet it is his allegations of fact that will trouble Rayner after he gave a statement to Greater Manchester Police (GMP) saying he visited her at a property in Lowndes Lane, Stockport, in the summer of 2014, around the time she became a parliamentary candidate.

    It contradicts her claim to have lived elsewhere. “There was no doubt in my mind that this was Ms Rayner’s family home, where she lived with her then husband, Mark,” his letter states.

    “I remember it quite vividly because Ms Rayner was not at home at first and I had to wait for some time in my car before she eventually arrived. It was also memorable in that it was the first and only time I visited her home during the course of my voluntary work for her.”


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/angela-rayners-former-aide-contradicts-her-claim-in-tax-row-zm2xgpq2k
    Pah - I'm still expecting this to all amount to the square root of nowt.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,450
    Sandpit said:

    That’s a rather large piece of empty airspace everyone is routing around. Add to the closed Ukranian and Russian airspace, and long-haul flying surely gets rather more complicated.



    I was supposed to be doing a quick trip to Delhi today - has been pushed back by 3 weeks as some stuff has come up
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,472
    edited April 14
    Within the space of a few hours, PB moves effortlessly and seamlessly from "OMG, WW3!", to "What's the best car breakdown service?".
    Brilliant.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,177
    Carnyx said:

    Good morning, everyone.

    Meanwhile, missiles and drones shot by Iran at Israel: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68810053

    And the Heil leads on Angela Rayner!!

    Good morning everyone!
    The Mail must think they have a chance of getting Rayner's scalp. Not sure what that would do other than feed into a low-vote "They're all as bad as each other" meme.

    Sunday Times also has a front page piece "BBC pulled Rayner clip after Labour complaint". Some nervousness in Labour circles?
    Gets worse for Rayner.

    Angela Rayner’s former aide contradicts her claim in tax row

    Matt Finnegan, who wrote a novel about a smart, northerner ‘diva’ MP, has made a statement to police


    A few weeks before Angela Rayner was elected Labour’s deputy leader in 2020, her former adviser published a thriller about an ambitious trade union official turned MP known to her staff as “the Diva”.

    Its author, Matt Finnegan, had recently left Rayner’s employment with a £20,000 payout and non-disclosure agreement after accusing her of disability discrimination and unfair dismissal. He insisted the novel Betrayal was “complete fiction”, meaning lurid claims about the private life of its protagonist — a smart and combative northerner with a penchant for shoes who had other striking similarities to his former boss — were ignored.

    Yet it is his allegations of fact that will trouble Rayner after he gave a statement to Greater Manchester Police (GMP) saying he visited her at a property in Lowndes Lane, Stockport, in the summer of 2014, around the time she became a parliamentary candidate.

    It contradicts her claim to have lived elsewhere. “There was no doubt in my mind that this was Ms Rayner’s family home, where she lived with her then husband, Mark,” his letter states.

    “I remember it quite vividly because Ms Rayner was not at home at first and I had to wait for some time in my car before she eventually arrived. It was also memorable in that it was the first and only time I visited her home during the course of my voluntary work for her.”


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/angela-rayners-former-aide-contradicts-her-claim-in-tax-row-zm2xgpq2k
    "Ms Rayner was not at home at first and I had to wait for some time in my car" is certainly conducive to more than one interpretation. As is "around the time she became a parliamentary candidate", given that the house sale was years before.

    I've worked with people for decades and have no idea of their arrangements ...
    "The first and only time I visited" isn't much in the way of evidence.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,959
    Nigelb said:

    .

    Good morning, everyone.

    Meanwhile, missiles and drones shot by Iran at Israel: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68810053

    And the Heil leads on Angela Rayner!!

    Good morning everyone!
    The Mail must think they have a chance of getting Rayner's scalp. Not sure what that would do other than feed into a low-vote "They're all as bad as each other" meme.

    Sunday Times also has a front page piece "BBC pulled Rayner clip after Labour complaint". Some nervousness in Labour circles?
    Gets worse for Rayner.

    Angela Rayner’s former aide contradicts her claim in tax row

    Matt Finnegan, who wrote a novel about a smart, northerner ‘diva’ MP, has made a statement to police


    A few weeks before Angela Rayner was elected Labour’s deputy leader in 2020, her former adviser published a thriller about an ambitious trade union official turned MP known to her staff as “the Diva”.

    Its author, Matt Finnegan, had recently left Rayner’s employment with a £20,000 payout and non-disclosure agreement after accusing her of disability discrimination and unfair dismissal. He insisted the novel Betrayal was “complete fiction”, meaning lurid claims about the private life of its protagonist — a smart and combative northerner with a penchant for shoes who had other striking similarities to his former boss — were ignored.

    Yet it is his allegations of fact that will trouble Rayner after he gave a statement to Greater Manchester Police (GMP) saying he visited her at a property in Lowndes Lane, Stockport, in the summer of 2014, around the time she became a parliamentary candidate.

    It contradicts her claim to have lived elsewhere. “There was no doubt in my mind that this was Ms Rayner’s family home, where she lived with her then husband, Mark,” his letter states.

    “I remember it quite vividly because Ms Rayner was not at home at first and I had to wait for some time in my car before she eventually arrived. It was also memorable in that it was the first and only time I visited her home during the course of my voluntary work for her.”


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/angela-rayners-former-aide-contradicts-her-claim-in-tax-row-zm2xgpq2k
    So what ?
    In politics, sadly, perceptions often matter much than the facts, and people will see the headline.

    He appears to be a bloke with an axe to grind.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,449

    Foxy said:

    I see the private system is providing extra capacity at an average cost of £150 000 per year.

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/apr/13/vulnerable-children-illegal-unregulated-care-homes-england

    Most of that is staff costs. These organisations work on a negotiated price which is cost + margin

    Depends what you count as costs. It all smells rather like Thames Water...

    CareTech is owned through a company called Amalfi Midco, which is based in Jersey, to the benefit of international investors. They have loaded the company with debts of £780 million, charging CareTech tens of millions of pounds in interest and financial fees.

    https://twitter.com/MartinBarrow/status/1772328757124038730
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,899
    nico679 said:

    In other news the Tories will cut cold weather payments to disabled people if they win the election .

    #ToryScum

    Do we have a cite for that?

    I would not be surprised btw,

    It would be just like Sunak's measure to get more disabled people off benefit by making the Work Capability Assessment even more abusive than it is already - ask some disabled friends if you doubt that - whilst simultaneously trying to close all the ticket offices so disabled people find it more difficult to *get* to work.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,959
    MattW said:

    nico679 said:

    In other news the Tories will cut cold weather payments to disabled people if they win the election .

    #ToryScum

    Do we have a cite for that?

    I would not be surprised btw,

    It would be just like Sunak's measure to get more disabled people off benefit by making the Work Capability Assessment even more abusive than it is already - ask some disabled friends if you doubt that - whilst simultaneously trying to close all the ticket offices so disabled people find it more difficult to *get* to work.
    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/apr/14/leak-reveals-tory-plan-to-cut-cold-weather-cash-for-disabled-people
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,337
    MattW said:

    nico679 said:

    In other news the Tories will cut cold weather payments to disabled people if they win the election .

    #ToryScum

    Do we have a cite for that?

    I would not be surprised btw,

    It would be just like Sunak's measure to get more disabled people off benefit by making the Work Capability Assessment even more abusive than it is already - ask some disabled friends if you doubt that - whilst simultaneously trying to close all the ticket offices so disabled people find it more difficult to *get* to work.
    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/apr/14/leak-reveals-tory-plan-to-cut-cold-weather-cash-for-disabled-people
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,959

    Within the space of a few hours, PB moves effortlessly and seamlessly from "OMG, WW3!", to "What's the best car breakdown service?".
    Brilliant.

    Wait until you see what the afternoon thread is on.

    (A bit knackered and off the soccer this afternoon, so had to be brief.)
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,277
    So bitter ex-aide says he had to wait for Rayner to arrive at her home . And this warrants a front page splash .
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,046
    edited April 14
    For the nth time it doesn't matter where she was actually living it matters what address she nominated, if any, as her primary residence for tax purposes.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,046
    As for Australia, I assumed it was an Islamist marauding attack.

    You'd have to be pretty dense, and oblivious to previous attacks and Islamist MOs not to consider that as a likely option.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,450

    Oh dear, we are approaching Iain Gray levels here.

    Humza Yousaf’s popularity has plunged with the Scottish public and his own supporters after controversies around new hate crime laws, a poll has found.

    In a major blow to the first minister, more SNP voters believe he is doing a bad job than think he is performing well as his overall personal rating dips to around the same level as Conservative leaders in Scotland.

    Just 29 per cent of people who voted for the nationalists at the last general election believe he is doing a good job, compared with 36 per cent who think he has been poor in office, while the rest are either neutral or unsure.


    This gives Yousaf a net score of -7 among the independence supporters who are crucial to his electoral fortunes and represents a huge fall since January, when he scored +14 amongst SNP voters....

    ...There was also a marked dip in enthusiasm for both Sir Keir Starmer, the UK Labour leader, and his Scottish counterpart, Anas Sarwar, whose popularity dropped by 13 points and 14 points respectively.

    Starmer’s rating of -26 and Sarwar’s score of -17 has coincided with a fall in Labour’s vote share since Norstat’s last poll in January but the party is still on course to gain seats in Scotland that could be key to it securing a majority in the House of Commons.

    Yousaf suffered the most with a 15-point fall in his approval ratings to -32 with the general public. This puts him just three points ahead of Rishi Sunak after the prime minister bucked the trend to increase his popularity by 10 points to a still lowly -35.

    Support for Labour has fallen by four points to 32 per cent while backing for the SNP had fallen by one point to the same level.

    This is the lowest score the nationalists have recorded with Norstat since the 2014 independence referendum and, according to analysis by Curtice, would result in them returning just 18 MPs in a dramatic reversal of fortunes. By contrast, Labour would win 28 constituencies and be the largest party in Scotland.

    Support for independence is at 47 per cent when undecided voters are excluded, compared with 53 per cent backing the Union.






    This is from Norstat which is the pollster formerly known as Panelbase.

    What’s that on the Truss scale?
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,449

    MattW said:

    nico679 said:

    In other news the Tories will cut cold weather payments to disabled people if they win the election .

    #ToryScum

    Do we have a cite for that?

    I would not be surprised btw,

    It would be just like Sunak's measure to get more disabled people off benefit by making the Work Capability Assessment even more abusive than it is already - ask some disabled friends if you doubt that - whilst simultaneously trying to close all the ticket offices so disabled people find it more difficult to *get* to work.
    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/apr/14/leak-reveals-tory-plan-to-cut-cold-weather-cash-for-disabled-people
    Besides.

    The only way that Hunt's fiscal projections remotely pass muster is to have spending cuts at this level of brutality. We just don't know what they are planned to be yet.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,472
    nico679 said:

    So bitter ex-aide says he had to wait for Rayner to arrive at her home . And this warrants a front page splash .

    Given there's an ongoing police investigation, isn't all this press reportage by 'witnesses' a bit dodgy? GMP may take a dim view of it.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,805
    Nigelb said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Ukraine must feel more than a tad bitter this morning. Last night showed what a proper air defence system supported by American tech can do. And yet thousands upon thousands of their people have been killed by similar weapons whilst they are given just enough to keep them in the war but not enough to keep their people safe.

    I can’t help thinking that it is not going to do much for their somewhat battered morale.

    The Iranian drones are almost always shot down by Ukrainian defences.
    The missiles are not. And, of course, Ukraine is not alone. Last night also showed how utterly inept the Russian air defence systems are as infrastructure and defence systems are constantly struck by Ukrainian drones deep inside Russia itself.

    I frankly wonder how we would have coped.
    Unless we go to war with the EU, we're unlikely to face that kind of attack.

    Though a Russia which occupied Ukraine would be much more of a threat than the current version.

    Kaliningrad to London is less than Tehran to Jerusalem, just saying.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,177

    Nigelb said:

    .

    Good morning, everyone.

    Meanwhile, missiles and drones shot by Iran at Israel: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68810053

    And the Heil leads on Angela Rayner!!

    Good morning everyone!
    The Mail must think they have a chance of getting Rayner's scalp. Not sure what that would do other than feed into a low-vote "They're all as bad as each other" meme.

    Sunday Times also has a front page piece "BBC pulled Rayner clip after Labour complaint". Some nervousness in Labour circles?
    Gets worse for Rayner.

    Angela Rayner’s former aide contradicts her claim in tax row

    Matt Finnegan, who wrote a novel about a smart, northerner ‘diva’ MP, has made a statement to police


    A few weeks before Angela Rayner was elected Labour’s deputy leader in 2020, her former adviser published a thriller about an ambitious trade union official turned MP known to her staff as “the Diva”.

    Its author, Matt Finnegan, had recently left Rayner’s employment with a £20,000 payout and non-disclosure agreement after accusing her of disability discrimination and unfair dismissal. He insisted the novel Betrayal was “complete fiction”, meaning lurid claims about the private life of its protagonist — a smart and combative northerner with a penchant for shoes who had other striking similarities to his former boss — were ignored.

    Yet it is his allegations of fact that will trouble Rayner after he gave a statement to Greater Manchester Police (GMP) saying he visited her at a property in Lowndes Lane, Stockport, in the summer of 2014, around the time she became a parliamentary candidate.

    It contradicts her claim to have lived elsewhere. “There was no doubt in my mind that this was Ms Rayner’s family home, where she lived with her then husband, Mark,” his letter states.

    “I remember it quite vividly because Ms Rayner was not at home at first and I had to wait for some time in my car before she eventually arrived. It was also memorable in that it was the first and only time I visited her home during the course of my voluntary work for her.”


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/angela-rayners-former-aide-contradicts-her-claim-in-tax-row-zm2xgpq2k
    So what ?
    In politics, sadly, perceptions often matter much than the facts, and people will see the headline.

    He appears to be a bloke with an axe to grind.
    Either the police charge her, or they don't.
    'Perceptions' at that point will be irrelevant.

    Note it's entirely possible (though not usual) to have more than one address which could be deemed 'permanent' for electoral registration purposes.
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