The number of dwellings in Scotland has increased by 15% in the last 20 years, while the population has increased by only 8%. Supply is not the issue.
What's the equivalent figure for the % increase in number of households? As certain posters keep reminding us young people these days are much more "single" so the population increase may not be telling us the full story. But I don't know how big the effect is.
Edinburgh as you know every bloody house is an airbnb too...
The rent freeze has just ended in Scotland and it's just horrific what landlords are doing. Going to be a very unstable market for a while with lots of evictions.
The number of dwellings in Scotland has increased by 15% in the last 20 years, while the population has increased by only 8%. Supply is not the issue.
Population increase is not the only factor. Household composition matters too. If families are smaller, and there are more divorces, then the same size of population will require more dwellings.
And, obviously, there is not one housing market across the whole of Scotland. There might be a growing surplus of dwellings in one area, while an ever more acute shortage elsewhere.
And then there is also the impact of short-term rentals on the market. The growing demand for tourist accommodation reduces the supply of housing for long-term occupation. You could change the law and restrict accommodation for tourists, but that would have negative consequences for those businesses who benefit from tourist visitors.
In Peru, they have some laws which grant long term tenants extra rights. So, everyone expects to be told to leave a property just before 10 years are up.
It is remarkable how messing with the housing market rarely reduces costs and other issues.
The rent freeze has just ended in Scotland and it's just horrific what landlords are doing. Going to be a very unstable market for a while with lots of evictions.
The number of dwellings in Scotland has increased by 15% in the last 20 years, while the population has increased by only 8%. Supply is not the issue.
The whole rent freeze policy was a farce. Basically you could increase the rent on a new tenancy so what it did was increase the turnover in tenants and the determination of the landlord to bring each tenancy to an end so the new one could be at a higher rent, even if it was with 1 or more of the same people. Yet another really stupid policy by people incapable of seeing the next step, no matter how obvious.
That would be illegal under the terms of the rent freeze. A friend took a landlord to court when they tried that on and won a rather stunning settlement.
There are numerous cases like it and Shelter Scotland are exceptionally busy at the moment.
The rent freeze has just ended in Scotland and it's just horrific what landlords are doing. Going to be a very unstable market for a while with lots of evictions.
The number of dwellings in Scotland has increased by 15% in the last 20 years, while the population has increased by only 8%. Supply is not the issue.
Population increase is not the only factor. Household composition matters too. If families are smaller, and there are more divorces, then the same size of population will require more dwellings.
And, obviously, there is not one housing market across the whole of Scotland. There might be a growing surplus of dwellings in one area, while an ever more acute shortage elsewhere.
And then there is also the impact of short-term rentals on the market. The growing demand for tourist accommodation reduces the supply of housing for long-term occupation. You could change the law and restrict accommodation for tourists, but that would have negative consequences for those businesses who benefit from tourist visitors.
The rent freeze has just ended in Scotland and it's just horrific what landlords are doing. Going to be a very unstable market for a while with lots of evictions.
The number of dwellings in Scotland has increased by 15% in the last 20 years, while the population has increased by only 8%. Supply is not the issue.
Population increase is not the only factor. Household composition matters too. If families are smaller, and there are more divorces, then the same size of population will require more dwellings.
And, obviously, there is not one housing market across the whole of Scotland. There might be a growing surplus of dwellings in one area, while an ever more acute shortage elsewhere.
And then there is also the impact of short-term rentals on the market. The growing demand for tourist accommodation reduces the supply of housing for long-term occupation. You could change the law and restrict accommodation for tourists, but that would have negative consequences for those businesses who benefit from tourist visitors.
Yep, it's complicated. It's why building thousands of detached houses in rural parts of Scotland is having zero effect on rents in Edinburgh - all it does is allow more people to live by themselves.
Not necessarily a bad thing, but not solving the crisis in our cities either. The latest wheeze is landlords rebranding themselves as "small business owners".
I see the Labour Candidate for Dover is called Mike Tapp
I think he is wasted in politics, should have been a sound engineer
Showing my age here. But weren't the characters on Radio 4's Radio Active so named? ISTR Mike Flex, Anna Daptor, Mike Stand, Mike Channel. Oh and Mike Hunt.
Don't forget "Rabbi Rabbit" as a satire Roland Rat.
** Thinking back - I hope it was a satire. Haven't watched/listened to it since the original broadcast in the 80s/90s.
The rent freeze has just ended in Scotland and it's just horrific what landlords are doing. Going to be a very unstable market for a while with lots of evictions.
The number of dwellings in Scotland has increased by 15% in the last 20 years, while the population has increased by only 8%. Supply is not the issue.
The whole rent freeze policy was a farce. Basically you could increase the rent on a new tenancy so what it did was increase the turnover in tenants and the determination of the landlord to bring each tenancy to an end so the new one could be at a higher rent, even if it was with 1 or more of the same people. Yet another really stupid policy by people incapable of seeing the next step, no matter how obvious.
That would be illegal under the terms of the rent freeze. A friend took a landlord to court when they tried that on and won a rather stunning settlement.
There are numerous cases like it and Shelter Scotland are exceptionally busy at the moment.
Its not my area of the law but my understanding is that so long as the new tenant is not the same as the old tenant then you are entitled to change the rent. Where you have lots of stable young families that is not much of an issue but where you have lots of people flat sharing and then moving on it is.
The rent freeze has just ended in Scotland and it's just horrific what landlords are doing. Going to be a very unstable market for a while with lots of evictions.
The number of dwellings in Scotland has increased by 15% in the last 20 years, while the population has increased by only 8%. Supply is not the issue.
The whole rent freeze policy was a farce. Basically you could increase the rent on a new tenancy so what it did was increase the turnover in tenants and the determination of the landlord to bring each tenancy to an end so the new one could be at a higher rent, even if it was with 1 or more of the same people. Yet another really stupid policy by people incapable of seeing the next step, no matter how obvious.
That would be illegal under the terms of the rent freeze. A friend took a landlord to court when they tried that on and won a rather stunning settlement.
There are numerous cases like it and Shelter Scotland are exceptionally busy at the moment.
Its not my area of the law but my understanding is that so long as the new tenant is not the same as the old tenant then you are entitled to change the rent. Where you have lots of stable young families that is not much of an issue but where you have lots of people flat sharing and then moving on it is.
You were not allowed to evict a tenant unless you were going to sell or live in it yourself (which is what this particular landlord did not do). So the policy slowed the turnover of tenants, but you're right about the rental increases otherwise.
A sticking plaster over the issue. There are plenty of new developments in Edinburgh, with rampant YIMBYism, so something else is going to have to change.
The rent freeze has just ended in Scotland and it's just horrific what landlords are doing. Going to be a very unstable market for a while with lots of evictions.
The number of dwellings in Scotland has increased by 15% in the last 20 years, while the population has increased by only 8%. Supply is not the issue.
The whole rent freeze policy was a farce. Basically you could increase the rent on a new tenancy so what it did was increase the turnover in tenants and the determination of the landlord to bring each tenancy to an end so the new one could be at a higher rent, even if it was with 1 or more of the same people. Yet another really stupid policy by people incapable of seeing the next step, no matter how obvious.
That would be illegal under the terms of the rent freeze. A friend took a landlord to court when they tried that on and won a rather stunning settlement.
There are numerous cases like it and Shelter Scotland are exceptionally busy at the moment.
Its not my area of the law but my understanding is that so long as the new tenant is not the same as the old tenant then you are entitled to change the rent. Where you have lots of stable young families that is not much of an issue but where you have lots of people flat sharing and then moving on it is.
You were not allowed to evict a tenant unless you were going to sell or live in it yourself (which is what this particular landlord did not do). So the policy slowed the turnover of tenants, but you're right about the rental increases otherwise.
A sticking plaster over the issue. There are plenty of new developments in Edinburgh, with rampant YIMBYism, so something else is going to have to change.
You could evict them if you were moving a family member in. And charged them market rent.
Oddly, many landlords did that then - oh my! - the family member moved back out and they had to re-list the property at a much higher rent!
Owen Jones was down the extreme left rabbit hole from his mid teens, and has still not recovered from the excursion imo in that his foundations are screwy.
If you look in the Yahoo Email Group archives, you can still find him as a wiggling mid-teen I think demanding that everybody outside his one man groupuscoule (sp?) are counter-revolutionary pig-dogs, or similar. It may be UK Left Network (started in 2000) or one of its predecessors.
The rent freeze has just ended in Scotland and it's just horrific what landlords are doing. Going to be a very unstable market for a while with lots of evictions.
The number of dwellings in Scotland has increased by 15% in the last 20 years, while the population has increased by only 8%. Supply is not the issue.
The whole rent freeze policy was a farce. Basically you could increase the rent on a new tenancy so what it did was increase the turnover in tenants and the determination of the landlord to bring each tenancy to an end so the new one could be at a higher rent, even if it was with 1 or more of the same people. Yet another really stupid policy by people incapable of seeing the next step, no matter how obvious.
That would be illegal under the terms of the rent freeze. A friend took a landlord to court when they tried that on and won a rather stunning settlement.
There are numerous cases like it and Shelter Scotland are exceptionally busy at the moment.
Its not my area of the law but my understanding is that so long as the new tenant is not the same as the old tenant then you are entitled to change the rent. Where you have lots of stable young families that is not much of an issue but where you have lots of people flat sharing and then moving on it is.
You were not allowed to evict a tenant unless you were going to sell or live in it yourself (which is what this particular landlord did not do). So the policy slowed the turnover of tenants, but you're right about the rental increases otherwise.
A sticking plaster over the issue. There are plenty of new developments in Edinburgh, with rampant YIMBYism, so something else is going to have to change.
You could evict them if you were moving a family member in. And charged them market rent.
Oddly, many landlords did that then - oh my! - the family member moved back out and they had to re-list the property at a much higher rent!
Ohno!...
What sort of numbers are there for that specific scenario? I’m quite willing to believe in rentier cnutiness but it seems quite a lot of trouble to go to for those kind of folk.
Might I be so bold and leave you with this idea as a nightcap?
TRUSS.
Her time?
I think you mean
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Might I be so bold and leave you with this idea as a nightcap?
TRUSS.
Her time?
I think you mean
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Owen Jones was down the extreme left rabbit hole from his mid teens, and has still not recovered from the excursion imo in that his foundations are screwy.
If you look in the Yahoo Email Group archives, you can still find him as a wiggling mid-teen I think demanding that everybody outside his one man groupuscoule (sp?) are counter-revolutionary pig-dogs, or similar. It may be UK Left Network (started in 2000) or one of its predecessors.
Definitely lost the plot in the Corbyn years though. He used to be capable of some fairly thoughtful stuff from a certain perspective. Now he just endlessly spews hate. Would be sad to see but has become so bitter and twisted.
Owen Jones was down the extreme left rabbit hole from his mid teens, and has still not recovered from the excursion imo in that his foundations are screwy.
If you look in the Yahoo Email Group archives, you can still find him as a wiggling mid-teen I think demanding that everybody outside his one man groupuscoule (sp?) are counter-revolutionary pig-dogs, or similar. It may be UK Left Network (started in 2000) or one of its predecessors.
Definitely lost the plot in the Corbyn years though. He used to be capable of some fairly thoughtful stuff from a certain perspective. Now he just endlessly spews hate. Would be sad to see but has become so bitter and twisted.
It tells you how long it is since I looked that - checking - Yahoo Groups closed down finally in 2020.
It is possibly to trace things via the Internet Archive, however.
No I won't be trying.
But this is an interesting reflection from Phil who was active then, who is still blogging at A Very Public Sociologist, who's political positions I disagree with but who has always been an enjoyable read:
TIMES YOUGOV MRP - LABOUR VOTE FAR MORE EFFICIENT THAN IN 2019:
"Overall, Labour’s vote share is up by only three percentage points in seats it already holds, compared with more than eight points in seats held by the Conservatives, suggesting Labour is becoming more “efficient” by winning voters in the right places in a first-past-the-post system. In seats held by the SNP, Labour’s vote share is up 15 points, putting it on course to become Scotland’s largest party again.
The size of Labour’s predicted majority is aided by a collapse in Conservative support as Reform UK eats into its vote share. The Tories are down 26 points in seats they are defending against Labour............
[Reform UK] is up 14 points in seats the Tories are defending against Labour, but only six points in ones Labour is defending against the Tories. This helps turn a decisive win into a landslide as Labour is on course to win 175 of the 277 seats where it came second to the Conservatives last time."
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Edinburgh as you know every bloody house is an airbnb too...
I wish him well.
It is remarkable how messing with the housing market rarely reduces costs and other issues.
"Public Enemy - By The Time I Get To Arizona"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrFOb_f7ubw
There are numerous cases like it and Shelter Scotland are exceptionally busy at the moment.
The organisation of piss ups and breweries are so far beyond the aspirations of these people.
Not necessarily a bad thing, but not solving the crisis in our cities either. The latest wheeze is landlords rebranding themselves as "small business owners".
** Thinking back - I hope it was a satire. Haven't watched/listened to it since the original broadcast in the 80s/90s.
https://www.markpack.org.uk/161108/bill-brand-tv-drama-series/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Brand_(TV_series)
Written by Trevor Griffiths of many famous TV/Stage drama's and who's recent death seems to have gone largely unnoticed.
A sticking plaster over the issue. There are plenty of new developments in Edinburgh, with rampant YIMBYism, so something else is going to have to change.
Oddly, many landlords did that then - oh my! - the family member moved back out and they had to re-list the property at a much higher rent!
Ohno!...
If you look in the Yahoo Email Group archives, you can still find him as a wiggling mid-teen I think demanding that everybody outside his one man groupuscoule (sp?) are counter-revolutionary pig-dogs, or similar. It may be UK Left Network (started in 2000) or one of its predecessors.
TRUSS.
Her time?
39 minutes to feed her.
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It is possibly to trace things via the Internet Archive, however.
No I won't be trying.
But this is an interesting reflection from Phil who was active then, who is still blogging at A Very Public Sociologist, who's political positions I disagree with but who has always been an enjoyable read:
https://averypublicsociologist.blogspot.com/2010/04/10-years-of-uk-left-network.html
"Overall, Labour’s vote share is up by only three percentage points in seats it already holds, compared with more than eight points in seats held by the Conservatives, suggesting Labour is becoming more “efficient” by winning voters in the right places in a first-past-the-post system. In seats held by the SNP, Labour’s vote share is up 15 points, putting it on course to become Scotland’s largest party again.
The size of Labour’s predicted majority is aided by a collapse in Conservative support as Reform UK eats into its vote share. The Tories are down 26 points in seats they are defending against Labour............
[Reform UK] is up 14 points in seats the Tories are defending against Labour, but only six points in ones Labour is defending against the Tories. This helps turn a decisive win into a landslide as Labour is on course to win 175 of the 277 seats where it came second to the Conservatives last time."
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/05/top-israeli-spy-chief-exposes-his-true-identity-in-online-security-lapse
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Human-Machine-Team-Artificial-Intelligence-Revolutionize/dp/B0948LGS3K/
Oh.
As was said about it at the time, it would have been cheaper to lower the ocean.