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Angela, Angela, when will those clouds all disappear? – politicalbetting.com

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edited March 28 in General
Angela, Angela, when will those clouds all disappear? – politicalbetting.com

Police are reassessing claims that Angela Rayner broke electoral law after receiving a complaint from the deputy chairman of the Conservative Party. She denied this claim and said “I’ve been very clear there’s no rules broken ?? https://t.co/AjAUgXkaIw

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  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,102
    edited March 28
    Much ado about nothing.

    Should it not be Angie rather than Angela? Great song.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,215
    edited March 28
    Hope you all spotted the subtle Rolling Stones reference.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,090
    Picking up on Post Office related crimes:

    I'm reminded of the scandal that engulfs Villefort at the end of The Count of Monte Cristo. As a journalist leaves, he asks one of the guards what he thinks will happen to Villefort who has just admitted infanticide, concealing a death and conspiring to pervert the course of justice.

    The guard simply replies, 'They'll find extenuating circumstances.'

    I sadly suspect something similar will happen here.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,215
    My Easter message to PBers.






  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,090

    Hope you all spotted the subtle Rolling Stones references.

    I didn't see any subtle ones.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,215
    ydoethur said:

    Hope you all spotted the subtle Rolling Stones references.

    I didn't see any subtle ones.
    Oops, I mean singular.

    Spoiler: It is the headline
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,215
    DavidL said:

    Much ado about nothing.

    Should it not be Angie rather than Angela? Great song.

    Apparently she hates being called Angie, so out of respect I used her proper name.
  • TrentTrent Posts: 150
    Just seen a bbc vox pop from Dudley. There is no enthusiasm for Labour at all. A plague on all your houses is the consensus.
  • TrentTrent Posts: 150
    Uh oh. I dont like the sound of this. Is an Easter surprise in the offing.

    JUST IN: 🇷🇺 Russian Warships have officially entered the Red Sea. Possible sea confrontation with NATO.

    Russian Pacific Fleet entered the Red Sea and is heading towards Yemen where American and British ships have carried out strikes on Houthis.

    https://x.com/BRICSinfo/status/1773413722733842766?s=20
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,090

    ydoethur said:

    Hope you all spotted the subtle Rolling Stones references.

    I didn't see any subtle ones.
    Oops, I mean singular.

    Spoiler: It is the headline
    Yes, I saw that one, it's the subtle one I couldn't find.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 31,898
    ydoethur said:

    Picking up on Post Office related crimes:

    I'm reminded of the scandal that engulfs Villefort at the end of The Count of Monte Cristo. As a journalist leaves, he asks one of the guards what he thinks will happen to Villefort who has just admitted infanticide, concealing a death and conspiring to pervert the course of justice.

    The guard simply replies, 'They'll find extenuating circumstances.'

    I sadly suspect something similar will happen here.

    Well, I strongly suspect that no-one ‘important’ will carry any cans. Further down the chain of command is a different matter.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,102

    DavidL said:

    Much ado about nothing.

    Should it not be Angie rather than Angela? Great song.

    Apparently she hates being called Angie, so out of respect I used her proper name.
    Presumably she hates being called a hypocrite who benefitted from council house sales when she was criticising them as well but them's the breaks.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,215
    Ooh, The Times have just published this.

    A council has confirmed it will review allegations that Angela Rayner committed electoral or tax fraud, renewing pressure on the Labour deputy leader.

    Rayner, 44, said she lived apart from her husband, the father to two of her children, for the first five years of their marriage, between 2010 and 2015.

    Stockport council was asked to investigate whether this was false by the Conservative deputy chairman James Daly in a letter sent on Monday. The letter suggested Rayner may have misled council officials when she said she was living at her house on Vicarage Road rather than her husband’s house a mile away.

    Daly asked if Rayner had claimed a single-person discount on council tax on the home, given that neighbours said her brother had lived there from about 2012.

    In a statement, Stockport council said: “We are reviewing the questions that have been put to us and we will respond in due course.”
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,215
    Disgraceful.

    A council has apologised after parents were offered a choice of class photos with or without children with complex needs in them.

    Parents at Aboyne Primary complained after being sent a link from a photography company offering them alternative pictures.

    Aberdeenshire Council said the decision was not taken by the school and the link to the photos was immediately removed.

    Tempest Photography told BBC Scotland in a statement it was investigating the matter, that it had spoken to the photographer involved and the school, and that at this stage there was no further comment.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce5epgp2zdno
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 2,727
    DavidL said:

    Much ado about nothing.

    Should it not be Angie rather than Angela? Great song.

    A Song Without Words
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,215
    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Much ado about nothing.

    Should it not be Angie rather than Angela? Great song.

    Apparently she hates being called Angie, so out of respect I used her proper name.
    Presumably she hates being called a hypocrite who benefitted from council house sales when she was criticising them as well but them's the breaks.
    I prefer to be charitable, I love it when another leftie benefits from Thatcher's policies, see also Arthur Scargill.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,662
    I’ve been away so london feels like a foreign city. A really IMPRESSIVE foreign city

    What an odd feeling
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,229

    DavidL said:

    Much ado about nothing.

    Should it not be Angie rather than Angela? Great song.

    Apparently she hates being called Angie, so out of respect I used her proper name.
    She sounds like a real mood hoover, totally devoid of a sense of humour.

    Bet she's a real joy to live with.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,537
    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Much ado about nothing.

    Should it not be Angie rather than Angela? Great song.

    Apparently she hates being called Angie, so out of respect I used her proper name.
    Presumably she hates being called a hypocrite who benefitted from council house sales when she was criticising them as well but them's the breaks.
    I regularly criticise the fact that those with unearned income have a beneficial tax regime and don't pay NI. Since I am in that category, does that make me a hypocrite?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,537

    DavidL said:

    Much ado about nothing.

    Should it not be Angie rather than Angela? Great song.

    Apparently she hates being called Angie, so out of respect I used her proper name.
    She sounds like a real mood hoover, totally devoid of a sense of humour.

    Bet she's a real joy to live with.
    Well her husband obviously didn't think so back in 2010-2015.
  • TrentTrent Posts: 150
    Leon said:

    I’ve been away so london feels like a foreign city. A really IMPRESSIVE foreign city

    What an odd feeling

    Central London is impressive one of the great cities of the world. I would say only New York City compares.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 3,159

    Disgraceful.

    A council has apologised after parents were offered a choice of class photos with or without children with complex needs in them.

    Parents at Aboyne Primary complained after being sent a link from a photography company offering them alternative pictures.

    Aberdeenshire Council said the decision was not taken by the school and the link to the photos was immediately removed.

    Tempest Photography told BBC Scotland in a statement it was investigating the matter, that it had spoken to the photographer involved and the school, and that at this stage there was no further comment.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce5epgp2zdno

    This needs more info before the outrage starts.

    Imagine complex needs is a separate unit at the school. They took three photos: main school, complex needs unit, and everyone together. The parents are automatically only sent photos which their child is in. So the parent of children from the main school only saw the main school picture and the everyone together one.

    Not a great look, but not a scandal. And the school's fault not the photographers.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,914
    Trent said:

    Uh oh. I dont like the sound of this. Is an Easter surprise in the offing.

    JUST IN: 🇷🇺 Russian Warships have officially entered the Red Sea. Possible sea confrontation with NATO.

    Russian Pacific Fleet entered the Red Sea and is heading towards Yemen where American and British ships have carried out strikes on Houthis.

    https://x.com/BRICSinfo/status/1773413722733842766?s=20

    You've got to feel for those poor Russian sailors.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 10,473

    DavidL said:

    Much ado about nothing.

    Should it not be Angie rather than Angela? Great song.

    Apparently she hates being called Angie, so out of respect I used her proper name.
    She sounds like a real mood hoover, totally devoid of a sense of humour.

    Bet she's a real joy to live with.

    "Little did I dream that I should have lived to see such disasters fallen upon her, in a nation of gallant men, in a nation of men of honour, and of cavaliers! I thought ten thousand swords must have leaped from their scabbards, to avenge even a look that threatened her with insult.

    But the age of chivalry is gone; that of sophisters, economists, and calculators has succeeded".

    Edmund Burke being prescient about Angela Rayner, star of Basic Instinct and generally a person who adds to the gaiety of nations.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,187

    DavidL said:

    Much ado about nothing.

    Should it not be Angie rather than Angela? Great song.

    Apparently she hates being called Angie, so out of respect I used her proper name.
    She sounds like a real mood hoover, totally devoid of a sense of humour.

    Bet she's a real joy to live with.
    Well her husband obviously didn't think so back in 2010-2015.
    I thought the point was that they didn't live together. Perhaps the recipe for a successful marriage. Or not.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,102
    edited March 28

    Disgraceful.

    A council has apologised after parents were offered a choice of class photos with or without children with complex needs in them.

    Parents at Aboyne Primary complained after being sent a link from a photography company offering them alternative pictures.

    Aberdeenshire Council said the decision was not taken by the school and the link to the photos was immediately removed.

    Tempest Photography told BBC Scotland in a statement it was investigating the matter, that it had spoken to the photographer involved and the school, and that at this stage there was no further comment.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce5epgp2zdno

    You can imagine the poor headmistress: "You've done WHAT?????!"
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,102

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Much ado about nothing.

    Should it not be Angie rather than Angela? Great song.

    Apparently she hates being called Angie, so out of respect I used her proper name.
    Presumably she hates being called a hypocrite who benefitted from council house sales when she was criticising them as well but them's the breaks.
    I prefer to be charitable, I love it when another leftie benefits from Thatcher's policies, see also Arthur Scargill.
    I've expressed this view before and still don't think she has done anything wrong. But it is still a bit hypocritical.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,215
    tlg86 said:

    DavidL said:

    Much ado about nothing.

    Should it not be Angie rather than Angela? Great song.

    Apparently she hates being called Angie, so out of respect I used her proper name.
    She sounds like a real mood hoover, totally devoid of a sense of humour.

    Bet she's a real joy to live with.
    Well her husband obviously didn't think so back in 2010-2015.
    I thought the point was that they didn't live together. Perhaps the recipe for a successful marriage. Or not.
    I can give you the recipes for an unsuccessful marriage.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,102

    DavidL said:

    Much ado about nothing.

    Should it not be Angie rather than Angela? Great song.

    A Song Without Words
    I'm confused by this. It certainly had words, these ones to be precise

    Angie, Angie
    When will those clouds all disappear?
    Angie, Angie
    Where will it lead us from here?
    With no loving in our souls
    And no money in our coats
    You can't say we're satisfied
    Angie, Angie
    You can't say we never tried
    Angie, you're beautiful, yeah
    But ain't it time we said goodbye?
    Angie
    I still love you
    Remember all those nights we cried?
    All the dreams we held so close
    Seemed to all go up in smoke
    Let me whisper in your ear
    Angie, Angie
    Where will it lead us from here?
    Oh, Angie, don't you weep
    All your kisses still taste sweet
    I hate that sadness in your eyes
    But, Angie, Angie
    Ain't it time we said goodbye, yeah?
    With no loving in our souls
    And no money in our coats
    You can't say we're satisfied
    But, Angie, I still love you, baby
    Everywhere I look, I see your eyes
    There ain't a woman that comes close to you
    Come on, baby, dry your eyes
    Angie, Angie
    Ain't it good to be alive?
    Angie, Angie
    They can't say we never tried

    Are you referring to something else?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,537
    tlg86 said:

    DavidL said:

    Much ado about nothing.

    Should it not be Angie rather than Angela? Great song.

    Apparently she hates being called Angie, so out of respect I used her proper name.
    She sounds like a real mood hoover, totally devoid of a sense of humour.

    Bet she's a real joy to live with.
    Well her husband obviously didn't think so back in 2010-2015.
    I thought the point was that they didn't live together. Perhaps the recipe for a successful marriage. Or not.
    Er... that's my point. But it was a rather silly one, so I'll move on.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,229

    DavidL said:

    Much ado about nothing.

    Should it not be Angie rather than Angela? Great song.

    Apparently she hates being called Angie, so out of respect I used her proper name.
    She sounds like a real mood hoover, totally devoid of a sense of humour.

    Bet she's a real joy to live with.
    Well her husband obviously didn't think so back in 2010-2015.
    Not exactly till death do us part, though, is it?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,102
    rcs1000 said:

    Trent said:

    Uh oh. I dont like the sound of this. Is an Easter surprise in the offing.

    JUST IN: 🇷🇺 Russian Warships have officially entered the Red Sea. Possible sea confrontation with NATO.

    Russian Pacific Fleet entered the Red Sea and is heading towards Yemen where American and British ships have carried out strikes on Houthis.

    https://x.com/BRICSinfo/status/1773413722733842766?s=20

    You've got to feel for those poor Russian sailors.
    Could be worse, they could be in or under the Black sea.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 15,465
    edited March 28

    DavidL said:

    Much ado about nothing.

    Should it not be Angie rather than Angela? Great song.

    Apparently she hates being called Angie, so out of respect I used her proper name.
    For what it's worth (less than 2-cents?) Theodore Roosevelt DISLIKED being called "Teddy". Insisted on Theodore with family & friends, and after San Juan Hill requested press & etc. to refer to him as "Colonel Roosevelt" when he was not actively serving as Governor, Vice President or President.

    Which did NOT mean that TR (perhaps first POTUS widely known by his initials, though US Grant got that ball rolling in USA) would berate supporters for calling him Teddy!

    He was MUCH tooooooo good a politico for that.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,537

    DavidL said:

    Much ado about nothing.

    Should it not be Angie rather than Angela? Great song.

    Apparently she hates being called Angie, so out of respect I used her proper name.
    She sounds like a real mood hoover, totally devoid of a sense of humour.

    Bet she's a real joy to live with.
    Well her husband obviously didn't think so back in 2010-2015.
    Not exactly till death do us part, though, is it?
    Hah no, still Mrs P. and I lived apart for three nights each week for many years when I was working. She often reminisces fondly on that time.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,191

    Ooh, The Times have just published this.

    A council has confirmed it will review allegations that Angela Rayner committed electoral or tax fraud, renewing pressure on the Labour deputy leader.

    Rayner, 44, said she lived apart from her husband, the father to two of her children, for the first five years of their marriage, between 2010 and 2015.

    Stockport council was asked to investigate whether this was false by the Conservative deputy chairman James Daly in a letter sent on Monday. The letter suggested Rayner may have misled council officials when she said she was living at her house on Vicarage Road rather than her husband’s house a mile away.

    Daly asked if Rayner had claimed a single-person discount on council tax on the home, given that neighbours said her brother had lived there from about 2012.

    In a statement, Stockport council said: “We are reviewing the questions that have been put to us and we will respond in due course.”

    I’m reminded of when I moved into a new house in my ward, already elected as one of the local councillors, to discover that our property was surprisingly Council Tax banded A, despite being a four-bedroom house. In the past it had been split into two flats and the council tax register had never been updated when the flats were converted back into a house, and the council appeared to have forgotten about the rest of the property.

    The people we bought from had enjoyed four years of paying the minimal level of tax, but I recognised straight away - despite some reluctance from my other half - that I couldn’t legitimately sit on this situation as the local councillor, and I wrote to the council and got the house re-banded to E. Keeping your head down in a situation like that can very easily come back to bite you in the end.

    Rayner performed a tour-de-force on the radio today, but the fact remains that the circumstantial evidence does suggest that she probably has something to hide.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,102

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Much ado about nothing.

    Should it not be Angie rather than Angela? Great song.

    Apparently she hates being called Angie, so out of respect I used her proper name.
    Presumably she hates being called a hypocrite who benefitted from council house sales when she was criticising them as well but them's the breaks.
    I regularly criticise the fact that those with unearned income have a beneficial tax regime and don't pay NI. Since I am in that category, does that make me a hypocrite?
    No, that makes you honest. You correctly recognise an unfairness even although it is to your own advantage. But you didn't buy a publicly owned house at a discount and sell it for a profit.

    I think one problem Angela has is that she is somewhat unlikely to get a lot of support from Starmer who seems to want rid of her.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,925
    carnforth said:

    Disgraceful.

    A council has apologised after parents were offered a choice of class photos with or without children with complex needs in them.

    Parents at Aboyne Primary complained after being sent a link from a photography company offering them alternative pictures.

    Aberdeenshire Council said the decision was not taken by the school and the link to the photos was immediately removed.

    Tempest Photography told BBC Scotland in a statement it was investigating the matter, that it had spoken to the photographer involved and the school, and that at this stage there was no further comment.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce5epgp2zdno

    This needs more info before the outrage starts.

    Imagine complex needs is a separate unit at the school. They took three photos: main school, complex needs unit, and everyone together. The parents are automatically only sent photos which their child is in. So the parent of children from the main school only saw the main school picture and the everyone together one.

    Not a great look, but not a scandal. And the school's fault not the photographers.
    Highly unlikely a Primary would have a complex needs Unit.
    Here is the definition.
    "A child who has been diagnosed with an illness, disability or sensory impairment and needs a lot of additional support on a daily basis."
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 15,465
    rcs1000 said:

    Trent said:

    Uh oh. I dont like the sound of this. Is an Easter surprise in the offing.

    JUST IN: 🇷🇺 Russian Warships have officially entered the Red Sea. Possible sea confrontation with NATO.

    Russian Pacific Fleet entered the Red Sea and is heading towards Yemen where American and British ships have carried out strikes on Houthis.

    https://x.com/BRICSinfo/status/1773413722733842766?s=20

    You've got to feel for those poor Russian sailors.
    Let's hope for them, that the Pacific Fleet of Neo-Commie Czar Mad Vlad is in better shape today, than the Baltic Fleet of the last Romanov Czar Nebbish Nick was in 1905.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,191
    Leon said:

    I’ve been away so london feels like a foreign city. A really IMPRESSIVE foreign city

    What an odd feeling

    No-one really cares what you newly arrived immigrants think.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 3,159
    dixiedean said:

    carnforth said:

    Disgraceful.

    A council has apologised after parents were offered a choice of class photos with or without children with complex needs in them.

    Parents at Aboyne Primary complained after being sent a link from a photography company offering them alternative pictures.

    Aberdeenshire Council said the decision was not taken by the school and the link to the photos was immediately removed.

    Tempest Photography told BBC Scotland in a statement it was investigating the matter, that it had spoken to the photographer involved and the school, and that at this stage there was no further comment.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce5epgp2zdno

    This needs more info before the outrage starts.

    Imagine complex needs is a separate unit at the school. They took three photos: main school, complex needs unit, and everyone together. The parents are automatically only sent photos which their child is in. So the parent of children from the main school only saw the main school picture and the everyone together one.

    Not a great look, but not a scandal. And the school's fault not the photographers.
    Highly unlikely a Primary would have a complex needs Unit.
    Here is the definition.
    "A child who has been diagnosed with an illness, disability or sensory impairment and needs a lot of additional support on a daily basis."
    Then why didn't the teachers notice when the photographer asked to do a photo without all the complex needs students? They can't claim ignorance now,

    Unless, of course, the photographer kept them all on one side of the photo and then edited them out...

    The genius twist here would be if the photographer is also one of the school's parents.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 7,518

    DavidL said:

    Much ado about nothing.

    Should it not be Angie rather than Angela? Great song.

    Apparently she hates being called Angie, so out of respect I used her proper name.
    She sounds like a real mood hoover, totally devoid of a sense of humour.

    Bet she's a real joy to live with.
    Well her husband obviously didn't think so back in 2010-2015.
    Not exactly till death do us part, though, is it?
    Hah no, still Mrs P. and I lived apart for three nights each week for many years when I was working. She often reminisces fondly on that time.
    So does Mr Smith at No. 48.
  • agingjb2agingjb2 Posts: 86
    PB continues to be an abbreviation for Partisan Bile.

    I have no time for Labour or Tory, perhaps they hate each other, certainly they hate the other parties, but most of the time they contrive by their actions, when they secure power, to hurt the voters.

    Who is on my side we all ask; your family and friends if you are lucky.
  • TrentTrent Posts: 150
    agingjb2 said:

    PB continues to be an abbreviation for Partisan Bile.

    I have no time for Labour or Tory, perhaps they hate each other, certainly they hate the other parties, but most of the time they contrive by their actions, when they secure power, to hurt the voters.

    Who is on my side we all ask; your family and friends if you are lucky.

    Indeed. We are a low trust society now. Focus on your friends and family. Politicians and the "system" is an abstraction.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 19,871

    DavidL said:

    Much ado about nothing.

    Should it not be Angie rather than Angela? Great song.

    Apparently she hates being called Angie, so out of respect I used her proper name.
    Gallant to the end. Bravo.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 7,518
    On topic, I'm not entirely convinced that pursuing Ange for what looks, at worst, as a minor misdemeanour will prove to be fertile ground for the current bunch of Tories many of whom, I suspect, have financial, tax and property skeletons widespread enough to fill Highgate cemetery.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 19,871
    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Much ado about nothing.

    Should it not be Angie rather than Angela? Great song.

    Apparently she hates being called Angie, so out of respect I used her proper name.
    Presumably she hates being called a hypocrite who benefitted from council house sales when she was criticising them as well but them's the breaks.
    She hasn’t criticised RTB! She supports it in fact!
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,478
    rcs1000 said:

    Trent said:

    Uh oh. I dont like the sound of this. Is an Easter surprise in the offing.

    JUST IN: 🇷🇺 Russian Warships have officially entered the Red Sea. Possible sea confrontation with NATO.

    Russian Pacific Fleet entered the Red Sea and is heading towards Yemen where American and British ships have carried out strikes on Houthis.

    https://x.com/BRICSinfo/status/1773413722733842766?s=20

    You've got to feel for those poor Russian sailors.
    You've got to admire their willingness to hold hope over experience. After all we have to go back to the Crimean war to find the last Russian Navy victory.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 19,871

    DavidL said:

    Much ado about nothing.

    Should it not be Angie rather than Angela? Great song.

    Apparently she hates being called Angie, so out of respect I used her proper name.
    She sounds like a real mood hoover, totally devoid of a sense of humour.

    Bet she's a real joy to live with.
    What’s up with you ce soir? It’s Easter man, chill out and cheer up.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,537

    DavidL said:

    Much ado about nothing.

    Should it not be Angie rather than Angela? Great song.

    Apparently she hates being called Angie, so out of respect I used her proper name.
    Gallant to the end. Bravo.
    Are we at the end? Say it ain't so!
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 19,871
    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Much ado about nothing.

    Should it not be Angie rather than Angela? Great song.

    Apparently she hates being called Angie, so out of respect I used her proper name.
    Presumably she hates being called a hypocrite who benefitted from council house sales when she was criticising them as well but them's the breaks.
    I prefer to be charitable, I love it when another leftie benefits from Thatcher's policies, see also Arthur Scargill.
    I've expressed this view before and still don't think she has done anything wrong. But it is still a bit hypocritical.
    Would only be hypocritical if she opposed RTB. She supports it!
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,537
    agingjb2 said:

    PB continues to be an abbreviation for Partisan Bile.

    I have no time for Labour or Tory, perhaps they hate each other, certainly they hate the other parties, but most of the time they contrive by their actions, when they secure power, to hurt the voters.

    Who is on my side we all ask; your family and friends if you are lucky.

    Seems a bit harsh, I don't think PB is too bad; I enjoy sparring with those of markedly different political views, it makes me appreciate what are often baffling views.

    If you dislike it so much why do you keep coming back for more?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,184
    Foxy said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Trent said:

    Uh oh. I dont like the sound of this. Is an Easter surprise in the offing.

    JUST IN: 🇷🇺 Russian Warships have officially entered the Red Sea. Possible sea confrontation with NATO.

    Russian Pacific Fleet entered the Red Sea and is heading towards Yemen where American and British ships have carried out strikes on Houthis.

    https://x.com/BRICSinfo/status/1773413722733842766?s=20

    You've got to feel for those poor Russian sailors.
    You've got to admire their willingness to hold hope over experience. After all we have to go back to the Crimean war to find the last Russian Navy victory.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Action_of_8_January_1916
  • anothernickanothernick Posts: 3,578

    On topic, I'm not entirely convinced that pursuing Ange for what looks, at worst, as a minor misdemeanour will prove to be fertile ground for the current bunch of Tories many of whom, I suspect, have financial, tax and property skeletons widespread enough to fill Highgate cemetery.

    IIRC the amount of CGT that is suggested might have been due from Rayner is about £1.5k.

    This is approximately 0.03% of the settlement Nadhim Zadhawi is alleged to have made with HMRC.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,478

    Foxy said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Trent said:

    Uh oh. I dont like the sound of this. Is an Easter surprise in the offing.

    JUST IN: 🇷🇺 Russian Warships have officially entered the Red Sea. Possible sea confrontation with NATO.

    Russian Pacific Fleet entered the Red Sea and is heading towards Yemen where American and British ships have carried out strikes on Houthis.

    https://x.com/BRICSinfo/status/1773413722733842766?s=20

    You've got to feel for those poor Russian sailors.
    You've got to admire their willingness to hold hope over experience. After all we have to go back to the Crimean war to find the last Russian Navy victory.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Action_of_8_January_1916
    Not exactly Trafalgar was it?

    "The Russian battleship fired 96 rounds and scored no hits, though some near misses did cause splinter damage to the battlecruiser.[2] The Ottomans fired 60 rounds, but couldn't bring their 11-inch guns into range, and withdrew after 30 minutes.[3] The Russians attempted to pursue, but the Yavuz was faster and outran them."
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,184
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Trent said:

    Uh oh. I dont like the sound of this. Is an Easter surprise in the offing.

    JUST IN: 🇷🇺 Russian Warships have officially entered the Red Sea. Possible sea confrontation with NATO.

    Russian Pacific Fleet entered the Red Sea and is heading towards Yemen where American and British ships have carried out strikes on Houthis.

    https://x.com/BRICSinfo/status/1773413722733842766?s=20

    You've got to feel for those poor Russian sailors.
    You've got to admire their willingness to hold hope over experience. After all we have to go back to the Crimean war to find the last Russian Navy victory.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Action_of_8_January_1916
    Not exactly Trafalgar was it?

    "The Russian battleship fired 96 rounds and scored no hits, though some near misses did cause splinter damage to the battlecruiser.[2] The Ottomans fired 60 rounds, but couldn't bring their 11-inch guns into range, and withdrew after 30 minutes.[3] The Russians attempted to pursue, but the Yavuz was faster and outran them."
    "The engagement was the only ever battle between dreadnoughts on the Black Sea.[3][4] Though the incident was only a minor confrontation, it solidified Russia's naval superiority and deeply troubled Admiral Souchon.[1] Already outnumbered and outclassed in cruisers, destroyers, and torpedo boats, the Ottomans no longer held a dreadnought advantage over the Russian Empire. From then on Russia would continue consolidate its hold on the Black Sea and Yavuz would eventually shift her operations to the Dardanelles."
  • isamisam Posts: 40,877
    edited March 28
    Well all the neighbours are saying that Rayner was living in the house she says she wasn’t, and her brother was living in the house she claims to have been. If what she says is true, then she got married, registered her kids at her husbands address, then stayed living at her own house rather than with the man she just wed.

    Sounds like porky pies.

    If it’s only £1500, and she was ignorant rather than devious, why not just fess up? No one would have cared.

    Is this another example of the cover up doing for a politician when the truth was no big deal?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,102

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Much ado about nothing.

    Should it not be Angie rather than Angela? Great song.

    Apparently she hates being called Angie, so out of respect I used her proper name.
    Presumably she hates being called a hypocrite who benefitted from council house sales when she was criticising them as well but them's the breaks.
    I prefer to be charitable, I love it when another leftie benefits from Thatcher's policies, see also Arthur Scargill.
    I've expressed this view before and still don't think she has done anything wrong. But it is still a bit hypocritical.
    Would only be hypocritical if she opposed RTB. She supports it!
    Really?

    "Ms Rayner, who has committed to reforming the scheme, which she says has “helped fuel the housing crisis” by depleting publicly-owned housing stock, is said to have made a £48,500 profit when selling the house eight years later."

    https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/starmer-backs-rayner-over-right-to-buy-council-house-sale-369490/
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,130
    Slipped out on eve of Bank Holiday


    Pippa Crerar

    @PippaCrerar
    NEW: Rishi Sunak has just given a knighthood to businessman Mohamed Mansour, a Tory party treasurer who gave them £5m last year 🤨

    https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1773407891501789562
  • stodgestodge Posts: 12,816
    Evening all :)

    58-37 with YouGov and 59-35 with We Think as both record 19 point Labour leads meaning we've not had a 20+ point Labour lead in a week. Crisis...

    We are told there is no enthusiasm for Labour as though it was great revelation - it's been clear in every poll the kind of "hope" there was in the pre-1997 period for Blair just isn't there anymore. Were people enthusiastic about Thatcher in 1978? I don't remember it.

    It had got to the point where it was less a case of "a plague on all your houses" as "we cannot go on like this" and after nearly 14 years of leading the Government, is it any surprise the muted desire for change is the prevailing mood?

    The truth is populism has run out of road here in a way it hasn't in other places. Perhaps a form of socialist populism is the next big political thing - working class social conservatism combined with economic and cultural nationalism based on strong State intervention.

    Starmer seems to be a man who cannot believe his good fortune and is going to spend every second between now and the election reassuring former Conservatives he's no Corbyn and is at best a mild social democrat who would have been comfortable in Blair's Labour or the SDP of Jenkins or even Kennedy's Liberal Democrats.

  • LDLFLDLF Posts: 144
    edited March 28
    I suspect that on this issue Rayner possibly does have questions to answer. Not to mention that seeing the back of Rayner would probably be Starmer's dream come true - she is not a key member of his team but a deputy leader foised on him by his party. She also has a tendency toward impulsiveness in her public statements that probably makes both Starmer and Reeves uneasy.

    But I don't think that this is an issue that will catch the public's imagination. The narrative, at least for the Labour leadership, has now moved on from dispelling every last poisonous trace of the legacy of bogeyman Boris Johnson to preserving the visionary legacy of political giant Boris Johnson. Rule-breaking is old-hat; everyone is doing it these days (not least in the current party of government) and it's nothing special. It may mean the end of Rayner but it will not damage Labour before or during the election.
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 5,241
    stodge said:

    Evening all :)

    58-37 with YouGov and 59-35 with We Think as both record 19 point Labour leads meaning we've not had a 20+ point Labour lead in a week. Crisis...

    Good evening.

    Redfield & Wilton 24 Mar = 20% Labour lead 4 days ago

    Savanta 22-24 = 20% Labour lead 4 days ago

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election

    But I agree that we are becoming accustomed to 20%+ Labour leads
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,478
    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Much ado about nothing.

    Should it not be Angie rather than Angela? Great song.

    Apparently she hates being called Angie, so out of respect I used her proper name.
    Presumably she hates being called a hypocrite who benefitted from council house sales when she was criticising them as well but them's the breaks.
    I prefer to be charitable, I love it when another leftie benefits from Thatcher's policies, see also Arthur Scargill.
    I've expressed this view before and still don't think she has done anything wrong. But it is still a bit hypocritical.
    Would only be hypocritical if she opposed RTB. She supports it!
    Really?

    "Ms Rayner, who has committed to reforming the scheme, which she says has “helped fuel the housing crisis” by depleting publicly-owned housing stock, is said to have made a £48,500 profit when selling the house eight years later."

    https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/starmer-backs-rayner-over-right-to-buy-council-house-sale-369490/
    Reforming doesn't mean destroying.

    Except when used in the context of NHS reforms.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 11,348
    Anyway. Happy Easter everyone.
    I bloody love Easter. Easter asks absolutely nothing of you. It doesn't give you a list of things to do; doesn't ask you to wear fancy dress, or to feel a certain emotion. Greetings cards companies might see a market for their product, but they're fooling no-one. All Easter does is come along without you really budgeting for it and gives you a lovely long weekend.
    I'm going to have a lie in tomorrow. Christ may be risen, but I'm not planning on following his example until gone 10.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,392
    FPT
    Leon said:

    “Boffin” has an interesting etymology. It may go back to Dickens, it may even be based ON Dickens

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boffin

    It was cemented into its present usage in World War 2, referencing radar researchers in the Malverns. That’s brilliant. If I had to put a boffin anywhere, geographically, it would be the Malverns - slightly eccentric, slightly quaint, very British

    I saw the Jam play at Malvern Winter Gardens. Another time, another time

    13th February 1980.

    https://www.malvernrockarchive.org.uk/catalogue_item/ticket-for-the-jam-at-malvern-winter-gardens-13-february-1980
  • MattWMattW Posts: 18,344

    My Easter message to PBers.






    He sounds like a right loaf.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,557

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    One thing that's annoying me this week: people referring to this week as "the long bank holiday weekend".

    No, it isn't: t's the Easter bank holiday weekend.

    It's remarkable that they are almost always the same people who are first out the gates on LGBT+ history month or to applaud the celebration of Ramadan.

    Both descriptions are entirely correct.
    And your post entirely misses the point.

    Woke deliberately downplays traditions and up-plays alternatives in the name of equity.

    It's almost always Libz that do this. It's polarising and dumb, but they think it makes them look good.
    On the contrary. I was addressing the *specific point you made*.

    You said:

    'One thing that's annoying me this week: people referring to this week as "the long bank holiday weekend".

    No, it isn't: it's the Easter bank holiday weekend.'

    You're flat out wrong claiming that the holiday weekend isn't the long bank holiday weekend. It is perfectly correct to call it that. That's what it is, from one point of view.

    It is moreover a practical way to describe it and its importance to someone uninterested in one particular tradition of Christianity if one does not have a clue about the Paschal festival and the lunar calculation system as per Book of Common Prayer (small print thereof).

    If you had said "I call it the Easter Bank Holiday weekend", your post would have been accurate. But you didn't say that, so your comment wasn't accurate.

    What I did not say - note - was that one description was superior to the other or vice versa.
    Too boring for me to even read.

    Sorry.
    FPT: then what on earth is the point of you even debating anything on this site?

    Liek whether wild-bred pheasant is permitted food?
  • TrentTrent Posts: 150
    Cookie said:

    Anyway. Happy Easter everyone.
    I bloody love Easter. Easter asks absolutely nothing of you. It doesn't give you a list of things to do; doesn't ask you to wear fancy dress, or to feel a certain emotion. Greetings cards companies might see a market for their product, but they're fooling no-one. All Easter does is come along without you really budgeting for it and gives you a lovely long weekend.
    I'm going to have a lie in tomorrow. Christ may be risen, but I'm not planning on following his example until gone 10.

    Very true. Never thought of it like that. The runup to xmas is so long and tedious that by the time the day arrives you just want it all over with. Easter just sneaks up on you.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,102
    Foxy said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Much ado about nothing.

    Should it not be Angie rather than Angela? Great song.

    Apparently she hates being called Angie, so out of respect I used her proper name.
    Presumably she hates being called a hypocrite who benefitted from council house sales when she was criticising them as well but them's the breaks.
    I prefer to be charitable, I love it when another leftie benefits from Thatcher's policies, see also Arthur Scargill.
    I've expressed this view before and still don't think she has done anything wrong. But it is still a bit hypocritical.
    Would only be hypocritical if she opposed RTB. She supports it!
    Really?

    "Ms Rayner, who has committed to reforming the scheme, which she says has “helped fuel the housing crisis” by depleting publicly-owned housing stock, is said to have made a £48,500 profit when selling the house eight years later."

    https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/starmer-backs-rayner-over-right-to-buy-council-house-sale-369490/
    Reforming doesn't mean destroying.

    Except when used in the context of NHS reforms.
    Not sure I can be bothered arguing about this because I really don't care. But claiming that it "helped fuel the housing crisis" hardly suggests to me that she was supporting RTB as claimed by @Anabobazina.
  • No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 3,796
    Andy_JS said:

    FPT

    Leon said:

    “Boffin” has an interesting etymology. It may go back to Dickens, it may even be based ON Dickens

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boffin

    It was cemented into its present usage in World War 2, referencing radar researchers in the Malverns. That’s brilliant. If I had to put a boffin anywhere, geographically, it would be the Malverns - slightly eccentric, slightly quaint, very British

    I saw the Jam play at Malvern Winter Gardens. Another time, another time

    13th February 1980.

    https://www.malvernrockarchive.org.uk/catalogue_item/ticket-for-the-jam-at-malvern-winter-gardens-13-february-1980
    I worked at RSRE Malvern during part of my gap year in 1979, and again in the summer break of 1980.
    They had a massive computer with 192K(!) of memory!
    Does that mean I am a "boffin"?
    I remember watching "Grease" in the Malvern cinema for £1.
  • Enjoyed the start of the weekend/Easter/whatever it should be called with a nice run this afternoon, got drenched then it cleared up a bit. 15K into and around High Street Ken, playing my favourite game: pedestrian dodging
  • stodgestodge Posts: 12,816
    Have we mentioned the result of the Senegalese Presidential election a couple of days ago?

    The clear winner was one Bassirou Diomaye Faye, just 44 years old, who easily defeated the candidate of the ruling party by 54-36. He is a left-wing pan-African (apparently) which essentially means he will move Senegal away from France and Europe to a more neutral position which marks another former Francophone country trying to distance itself from Paris.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 15,465

    Andy_JS said:

    FPT

    Leon said:

    “Boffin” has an interesting etymology. It may go back to Dickens, it may even be based ON Dickens

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boffin

    It was cemented into its present usage in World War 2, referencing radar researchers in the Malverns. That’s brilliant. If I had to put a boffin anywhere, geographically, it would be the Malverns - slightly eccentric, slightly quaint, very British

    I saw the Jam play at Malvern Winter Gardens. Another time, another time

    13th February 1980.

    https://www.malvernrockarchive.org.uk/catalogue_item/ticket-for-the-jam-at-malvern-winter-gardens-13-february-1980
    I worked at RSRE Malvern during part of my gap year in 1979, and again in the summer break of 1980.
    They had a massive computer with 192K(!) of memory!
    Does that mean I am a "boffin"?
    I remember watching "Grease" in the Malvern cinema for £1.
    For what it's worth (perhaps 2-cents or less) the word "boffin" is virtually unknown in USA.

    Except of course for a small number of English majors focusing on 20th-century Brit Lit, and others acute anglophiliacs.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 8,820
    fpt

    One thing that's annoying me this week: people referring to this week as "the long bank holiday weekend".

    No, it isn't: t's the Easter bank holiday weekend.

    It's remarkable that they are almost always the same people who are first out the gates on LGBT+ history month or to applaud the celebration of Ramadan.

    As a man with faith my opinion is we should all mind our own fucking business and keep our religious holidays to ourselves rather than trying to claim public holidays. Christians stole those holidays in the first place so they can especially piss off with their claims
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,130
    Gove is "considering" an exemption to the new six month's notice for a tenant to leave in the early months of any tenancy, if the tenant dies.

    If only Douglas Adams was still around.

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,581

    Have we done this?

    A Georgia Republican official who pushed false claims that the 2020 election was “stolen” was found to have voted illegally nine times, a judge ruled this week.

    https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1773438675382116607

    He voted illegally nine times, but presumably legally once, and 10% legality overall is probably sufficient.
  • https://www.instagram.com/reel/C4JDiz0obJJ

    Rishi Sunak went to the Mark Zuckerberg school of "how to human".
  • gettingbettergettingbetter Posts: 476
    Trent said:

    Cookie said:

    Anyway. Happy Easter everyone.
    I bloody love Easter. Easter asks absolutely nothing of you. It doesn't give you a list of things to do; doesn't ask you to wear fancy dress, or to feel a certain emotion. Greetings cards companies might see a market for their product, but they're fooling no-one. All Easter does is come along without you really budgeting for it and gives you a lovely long weekend.
    I'm going to have a lie in tomorrow. Christ may be risen, but I'm not planning on following his example until gone 10.

    Very true. Never thought of it like that. The runup to xmas is so long and tedious that by the time the day arrives you just want it all over with. Easter just sneaks up on you.
    Yes indeed but I want our children to understand that Easter is because Jesus died for us. Easter Eggs are OK because of what the Egg signifies but I can't understand why they are singing songs about rabbits!
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 15,465
    The Agony and the Idiocy of the MAGA-GOP

    AP (via Seattle Times) - Michigan GOP lawmaker claims that buses carrying March Madness teams are ‘illegal invaders’

    A right-wing Michigan state lawmaker who has been tied to former President Donald Trump and his election denials is being widely criticized after making claims that buses carrying college athletes to Detroit for March Madness were immigrant “invaders” being shuttled into the city illegally.

    Michigan state House Rep. Matt Maddock made the claim Wednesday night in a social media post accompanied by photos of three buses near an Allegiant plane at Detroit Metropolitan Airport. Maddock wrote that the buses “just loaded up with illegal invaders.”

    “Anyone have any idea where they’re headed with their police escort?” Maddock wrote on the social media platform X, formerly Twitter.

    Four college basketball teams traveling to Detroit for the second weekend of the NCAA basketball tournament arrived by plane Wednesday evening, the Wayne County Airport Authority said in a statement. The “buses seen in a photograph circulating online were transporting the basketball teams and their respective staffs,” the statement added.

    Maddock’s post drew swift criticism on social media, with multiple accounts noting that an earlier post on the Gonzaga men’s basketball team’s social media page had indicated their departure for Detroit, featuring an Allegiant plane. . . .

    Maddock doubled down on his posts Thursday, adding that hundreds of thousands of “illegals are pouring into our country,” and into Michigan. In a text response to The Associated Press, Maddock declined to acknowledge that the buses were transporting basketball players.

    “I haven’t heard a good answer yet,” Maddock wrote. “I took a tip and asked because this is happening in many places and it is well documented.” . . .

    . . . Maddock has a history of being among the most far-right members in the Michigan Legislature. His wife, Meshawn Maddock, the former co-chair of the Michigan Republican Party, is one of 15 Republicans charged for acting as fake electors for then-President Trump in 2020.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,581
    On political stories like Rayner's it's always worth trying to reverse the sides and see if they would defend their own conduct or not, as I believe some have attemped to put to her. They usually wouldn't, which is not definitive that the conduct is actually poor, but I think does mean you have to accept opponents making something of it to some degree, even if it is not typically as big a deal as they will state.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,167
    ydoethur said:

    Picking up on Post Office related crimes:

    I'm reminded of the scandal that engulfs Villefort at the end of The Count of Monte Cristo. As a journalist leaves, he asks one of the guards what he thinks will happen to Villefort who has just admitted infanticide, concealing a death and conspiring to pervert the course of justice.

    The guard simply replies, 'They'll find extenuating circumstances.'

    I sadly suspect something similar will happen here.

    #NU10K

    The defining characteristic is that failure leads to a better job. And the belief that this is their *right*

    Recall the lady who transferred to the CoE and was shocked that she wasn’t catapulted to the Bishopric of London by her 3rd day on the job?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,581

    One thing that's annoying me this week: people referring to this week as "the long bank holiday weekend".

    No, it isn't: t's the Easter bank holiday weekend.

    It's remarkable that they are almost always the same people who are first out the gates on LGBT+ history month or to applaud the celebration of Ramadan.

    Can't say I've come across people being shy about calling it Easter myself. Is this something concerted or just some general trend?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,581
    edited March 28

    Slipped out on eve of Bank Holiday


    Pippa Crerar

    @PippaCrerar
    NEW: Rishi Sunak has just given a knighthood to businessman Mohamed Mansour, a Tory party treasurer who gave them £5m last year 🤨

    https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1773407891501789562

    Big donors getting knighthoods is so mundane it barely counts as a news story even without the holiday period. I'm more surprised when a big donor is revealed not to have at least some kind of honours.

    It shouldn't be so mundane, but the shamelessness crept in a long time ago.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 9,406
    stodge said:

    Have we mentioned the result of the Senegalese Presidential election a couple of days ago?

    The clear winner was one Bassirou Diomaye Faye, just 44 years old, who easily defeated the candidate of the ruling party by 54-36. He is a left-wing pan-African (apparently) which essentially means he will move Senegal away from France and Europe to a more neutral position which marks another former Francophone country trying to distance itself from Paris.

    I mentioned it upthread. Another peaceful transition of power in a country that’s been a bastion of (imperfect) democracy in a pretty undemocratic neighbourhood.

    It was looking a bit shaky a few months ago but in hindsight the much hyped democratic crisis was on about a level with Boris proroguing parliament.

    I’m going there for a week and a bit this December, taking a look around a few different spots with a couple of friends.
  • kle4 said:

    Slipped out on eve of Bank Holiday


    Pippa Crerar

    @PippaCrerar
    NEW: Rishi Sunak has just given a knighthood to businessman Mohamed Mansour, a Tory party treasurer who gave them £5m last year 🤨

    https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1773407891501789562

    Big donors getting knighthoods is so mundane it barely counts as a news story even without the holiday period. I'm more surprised when a big donor is revealed not to have at least some kind of honours.

    It shouldn't be so mundane, but the shamelessness crept in a long time ago.
    Rishi Sunak thought Angela Rayner was getting a hard time so he's decided to help out by deferring the attention back to him.

    He is the greatest Labour candidate in history. Thanks Rishi!
  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,662
    Trent said:

    Leon said:

    I’ve been away so london feels like a foreign city. A really IMPRESSIVE foreign city

    What an odd feeling

    Central London is impressive one of the great cities of the world. I would say only New York City compares.
    London is a magnificent glittering prosperous world city, full of beautiful women. When you go away for six months, you realise this when you return

    Also the Groucho is really hopping. Astonishing. Haven’t seen it this full since pre Covid. And it’s a rainy chilly midweek night. Encouraging

  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,565
    Tomorrow we get to sing that hymn about football:

    "There is a free kick far away without a City wall."
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 2,897

    On topic, I'm not entirely convinced that pursuing Ange for what looks, at worst, as a minor misdemeanour will prove to be fertile ground for the current bunch of Tories many of whom, I suspect, have financial, tax and property skeletons widespread enough to fill Highgate cemetery.

    It's strange the press isn't digging into any of the Tory MP's who might be landlords, or otherwise being 'tax efficient'.

    Odd oversight.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,581

    The Agony and the Idiocy of the MAGA-GOP

    AP (via Seattle Times) - Michigan GOP lawmaker claims that buses carrying March Madness teams are ‘illegal invaders’

    A right-wing Michigan state lawmaker who has been tied to former President Donald Trump and his election denials is being widely criticized after making claims that buses carrying college athletes to Detroit for March Madness were immigrant “invaders” being shuttled into the city illegally.

    Michigan state House Rep. Matt Maddock made the claim Wednesday night in a social media post accompanied by photos of three buses near an Allegiant plane at Detroit Metropolitan Airport. Maddock wrote that the buses “just loaded up with illegal invaders.”

    “Anyone have any idea where they’re headed with their police escort?” Maddock wrote on the social media platform X, formerly Twitter.

    Four college basketball teams traveling to Detroit for the second weekend of the NCAA basketball tournament arrived by plane Wednesday evening, the Wayne County Airport Authority said in a statement. The “buses seen in a photograph circulating online were transporting the basketball teams and their respective staffs,” the statement added.

    Maddock’s post drew swift criticism on social media, with multiple accounts noting that an earlier post on the Gonzaga men’s basketball team’s social media page had indicated their departure for Detroit, featuring an Allegiant plane. . . .

    Maddock doubled down on his posts Thursday, adding that hundreds of thousands of “illegals are pouring into our country,” and into Michigan. In a text response to The Associated Press, Maddock declined to acknowledge that the buses were transporting basketball players.

    “I haven’t heard a good answer yet,” Maddock wrote. “I took a tip and asked because this is happening in many places and it is well documented.” . . .

    . . . Maddock has a history of being among the most far-right members in the Michigan Legislature. His wife, Meshawn Maddock, the former co-chair of the Michigan Republican Party, is one of 15 Republicans charged for acting as fake electors for then-President Trump in 2020.

    The rise in more extreme politics is only one aspect of how things have developed. The other is the absolute credulity of people even at the very top of politics (not that this guy is that), who refuse to accept they could be wrong about anything, even inconsequential things, even when proven to be wrong.

    It's not people pretending either, people in the House and Senate genuinely buy this sort of thing, and even when they do not they 100% support backing people who never admit to getting anything wrong.

    One can only hope it starts to put off voters more than it has to date.
  • BatteryCorrectHorseBatteryCorrectHorse Posts: 906
    edited March 28
    kle4 said:

    One thing that's annoying me this week: people referring to this week as "the long bank holiday weekend".

    No, it isn't: t's the Easter bank holiday weekend.

    It's remarkable that they are almost always the same people who are first out the gates on LGBT+ history month or to applaud the celebration of Ramadan.

    Can't say I've come across people being shy about calling it Easter myself. Is this something concerted or just some general trend?
    It's the people at the anti-vegan, anti-woke pub where he hangs out on Thursdays. They always have their fingers on the pulse of the nation.

    Probably had a few British beers, with six Union flags on the glasses, followed by a rendition of Rule Britannia.

    Aren't you feeling patriotic?
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 15,465
    kle4 said:

    One thing that's annoying me this week: people referring to this week as "the long bank holiday weekend".

    No, it isn't: t's the Easter bank holiday weekend.

    It's remarkable that they are almost always the same people who are first out the gates on LGBT+ history month or to applaud the celebration of Ramadan.

    Can't say I've come across people being shy about calling it Easter myself. Is this something concerted or just some general trend?
    The E-word is still uttered in Seattle where most folk are so Woke it's a joke.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 2,897
    kle4 said:

    One thing that's annoying me this week: people referring to this week as "the long bank holiday weekend".

    No, it isn't: t's the Easter bank holiday weekend.

    It's remarkable that they are almost always the same people who are first out the gates on LGBT+ history month or to applaud the celebration of Ramadan.

    Can't say I've come across people being shy about calling it Easter myself. Is this something concerted or just some general trend?
    I think the closest I've heard is something like "Really looking forward to the long weekend at Easter".

    Possibly I don't hang out in the right whatsapp groups.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,184

    My Easter message to PBers.






    "The needs of the many (Labour fans) outweigh the needs of the few (Tory fans)."

    "Or the one (Reform fan)."
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,167
    kle4 said:

    Slipped out on eve of Bank Holiday


    Pippa Crerar

    @PippaCrerar
    NEW: Rishi Sunak has just given a knighthood to businessman Mohamed Mansour, a Tory party treasurer who gave them £5m last year 🤨

    https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1773407891501789562

    Big donors getting knighthoods is so mundane it barely counts as a news story even without the holiday period. I'm more surprised when a big donor is revealed not to have at least some kind of honours.

    It shouldn't be so mundane, but the shamelessness crept in a long time ago.
    Many years back, before Blair inflated the market, I was told that the rate to get a peerage was a surprisingly low number of thousands per year over a decade or so. That and not being too mad.

    Given the per diem etc, it actually worked out as a really good pension plan.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,597
    stodge said:

    Have we mentioned the result of the Senegalese Presidential election a couple of days ago?

    The clear winner was one Bassirou Diomaye Faye, just 44 years old, who easily defeated the candidate of the ruling party by 54-36. He is a left-wing pan-African (apparently) which essentially means he will move Senegal away from France and Europe to a more neutral position which marks another former Francophone country trying to distance itself from Paris.

    Indeed. The death of the French (pseudo) empire in Africa is ignored in the UK TLDR: France has held sway over many countries in Africa for decades by overseeing a currency system. Nations are breaking away and Russia is waging a proxy war there, as part of the Russian and Chinese move to push the West out of Africa.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,478
    DavidL said:

    Foxy said:

    DavidL said:

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    DavidL said:

    Much ado about nothing.

    Should it not be Angie rather than Angela? Great song.

    Apparently she hates being called Angie, so out of respect I used her proper name.
    Presumably she hates being called a hypocrite who benefitted from council house sales when she was criticising them as well but them's the breaks.
    I prefer to be charitable, I love it when another leftie benefits from Thatcher's policies, see also Arthur Scargill.
    I've expressed this view before and still don't think she has done anything wrong. But it is still a bit hypocritical.
    Would only be hypocritical if she opposed RTB. She supports it!
    Really?

    "Ms Rayner, who has committed to reforming the scheme, which she says has “helped fuel the housing crisis” by depleting publicly-owned housing stock, is said to have made a £48,500 profit when selling the house eight years later."

    https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/starmer-backs-rayner-over-right-to-buy-council-house-sale-369490/
    Reforming doesn't mean destroying.

    Except when used in the context of NHS reforms.
    Not sure I can be bothered arguing about this because I really don't care. But claiming that it "helped fuel the housing crisis" hardly suggests to me that she was supporting RTB as claimed by @Anabobazina.
    RTB with the money reinvested in new Scial Housing is not such a problem.
  • MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,200
    edited March 28
    Trent said:

    Just seen a bbc vox pop from Dudley. There is no enthusiasm for Labour at all. A plague on all your houses is the consensus.

    Dudley again! Usually it’s the market on a wet working Wednesday. Perfect for your preferred demographic.
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