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  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,700
    i reporting that Sunak plans "policy blitz" in next week.

    That should be more LOL then!!! :lol:

    Can the cones hotline be bested?



  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,243

    Leon said:

    Meta's chief AI wallah tells Musk he is wrong. Sorry @Leon

    Yann LeCun

    @ylecun
    ·
    4h
    No.
    If it were the case, we would have AI systems that could teach themselves to drive a car in 20 hours of practice, like any 17 year-old.

    But we still don't have fully autonomous, reliable self-driving, even though we (you) have millions of hours of *labeled* training data.

    https://twitter.com/ylecun/status/1768330345059872931

    *Mic drop*

    That should end the debate. Well said.
    LeCun is hilariously clueless
    He's right on this.

    A 17 year old whose prefrontal cortex isn't even fully developed can learn to drive with 20 hours of training.

    AI can't learn to drive with millions of hours of training.

    The idea AI is smarter than humans is facetious bullshit. It might know more, but its not smarter.
    What it "knows" is, of course, the entire contents of the Internet up to last week. Reminds me of old Jowett of whom it was said "I am Master of this college; what I don't know isn't knowledge."
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,239
    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    Argentine steaks are really good. As is their Malbec

    It’s another example of a country happily fulfilling glib and simplistic preconceptions, for which we recently tried to conjure a compound German noun

    Cf Colombian coffee

    Cf Italians all actually being well dressed
    Everything being big in America
    Swiss products being precision engineered
    Guinness actually tasting better in Ireland, for reasons I’ve never fathomed
    Finland being full of saunas
    The British are funny. We really are

    The Japanese are polite. Obsessively so

    Parisians are rude. Yep

  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,354

    Leon said:

    Meta's chief AI wallah tells Musk he is wrong. Sorry @Leon

    Yann LeCun

    @ylecun
    ·
    4h
    No.
    If it were the case, we would have AI systems that could teach themselves to drive a car in 20 hours of practice, like any 17 year-old.

    But we still don't have fully autonomous, reliable self-driving, even though we (you) have millions of hours of *labeled* training data.

    https://twitter.com/ylecun/status/1768330345059872931

    *Mic drop*

    That should end the debate. Well said.
    LeCun is hilariously clueless
    He's right on this.

    A 17 year old whose prefrontal cortex isn't even fully developed can learn to drive with 20 hours of training.

    AI can't learn to drive with millions of hours of training.

    The idea AI is smarter than humans is facetious bullshit. It might know more, but its not smarter.
    Current-generation AIs don't even know what year it is. Facts are not exactly their strong point. But they haven't been designed to do so.
  • Leon said:

    Meta's chief AI wallah tells Musk he is wrong. Sorry @Leon

    Yann LeCun

    @ylecun
    ·
    4h
    No.
    If it were the case, we would have AI systems that could teach themselves to drive a car in 20 hours of practice, like any 17 year-old.

    But we still don't have fully autonomous, reliable self-driving, even though we (you) have millions of hours of *labeled* training data.

    https://twitter.com/ylecun/status/1768330345059872931

    *Mic drop*

    That should end the debate. Well said.
    LeCun is hilariously clueless
    He's right on this.

    A 17 year old whose prefrontal cortex isn't even fully developed can learn to drive with 20 hours of training.

    AI can't learn to drive with millions of hours of training.

    The idea AI is smarter than humans is facetious bullshit. It might know more, but its not smarter.
    Current-generation AIs don't even know what year it is. Facts are not exactly their strong point. But they haven't been designed to do so.
    AI won't be smart until it can do stuff it hasn't been designed to do, simply because it wants to do it, without anyone prompting it to do so.

    Like any toddler can.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,747
    Scott_xP said:

    ...

    That's rather amazing. Only by looking quite closely could I see any good word about him - "competent".
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,870

    Israel should have our complete support until Hamas is completely destroyed.

    If people want to offer refuge to Palestinians outside the war zone, then that is entirely reasonable, but expecting Israel not to fight a war or to fight with its hands tied behind its back is not.

    Neither should have our support they are two mediaevil theocracies in the middle east duking it out again in something like round 34.....most people dont give a shit. Leave them to it
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,275

    i reporting that Sunak plans "policy blitz" in next week.

    That should be more LOL then!!! :lol:

    Can the cones hotline be bested?



    No one cares anymore . It’s all rather Norma Desmondish !
  • Best analogy I heard for AI today, is that its like the invention of the calculator.

    Calculators can do calculations instantly and accurately that people would struggle to do mentally. When calculators arose people were saying how bad that was for all sorts of reasons etc

    But calculators are a tool we can just use everyday now and take it for granted. Just like the internet is, just like electricity is, and just like AI will be going forwards too.

    Smart is knowing how to use those tools, not being able to outprocess the tools in what they've been designed to do.

    My calculator can do calculations I can't in my head, but I'm smarter than the calculator as I know how to use it, not the other way around. Same with AI.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,239

    Leon said:

    Meta's chief AI wallah tells Musk he is wrong. Sorry @Leon

    Yann LeCun

    @ylecun
    ·
    4h
    No.
    If it were the case, we would have AI systems that could teach themselves to drive a car in 20 hours of practice, like any 17 year-old.

    But we still don't have fully autonomous, reliable self-driving, even though we (you) have millions of hours of *labeled* training data.

    https://twitter.com/ylecun/status/1768330345059872931

    *Mic drop*

    That should end the debate. Well said.
    LeCun is hilariously clueless
    He's right on this.

    A 17 year old whose prefrontal cortex isn't even fully developed can learn to drive with 20 hours of training.

    AI can't learn to drive with millions of hours of training.

    The idea AI is smarter than humans is facetious bullshit. It might know more, but its not smarter.
    Seriously. Don’t listen to LeCun

    He’s one of the godfathers of AI but he’s well past it. He’s made loads of embarrassing mistakes in recent years

    Here’s one. He recently claimed that LLMs could not understand the basic physics of an object placed on a table

    Then GPT3.5 did exactly that

    https://youtu.be/sWF6SKfjtoU?si=IVbu3nOFU4tg6ZqQ

    I think he just doesn’t grasp how fast and why AI is developing but as a proud man with a remarkable CV he’s reluctant to retire and accept his redundancy

  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,986
    ...
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,239
    edited March 14

    Leon said:

    Meta's chief AI wallah tells Musk he is wrong. Sorry @Leon

    Yann LeCun

    @ylecun
    ·
    4h
    No.
    If it were the case, we would have AI systems that could teach themselves to drive a car in 20 hours of practice, like any 17 year-old.

    But we still don't have fully autonomous, reliable self-driving, even though we (you) have millions of hours of *labeled* training data.

    https://twitter.com/ylecun/status/1768330345059872931

    *Mic drop*

    That should end the debate. Well said.
    LeCun is hilariously clueless
    He's right on this.

    A 17 year old whose prefrontal cortex isn't even fully developed can learn to drive with 20 hours of training.

    AI can't learn to drive with millions of hours of training.

    The idea AI is smarter than humans is facetious bullshit. It might know more, but its not smarter.
    Current-generation AIs don't even know what year it is. Facts are not exactly their strong point. But they haven't been designed to do so.
    AI won't be smart until it can do stuff it hasn't been designed to do, simply because it wants to do it, without anyone prompting it to do so.

    Like any toddler can.
    Er, GPT3 did exactly that. No one taught it to draw. No one realised it had that capability. Then someone asked it to draw - and it did

    “AI is just an evolution of stuff we already have, it’s not some great new thing.”

    “The internet is exactly like a vegetable spiralizer”


    “I can tell you for a fact, AI will provide some efficiency gains and that will be the end of it.”
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,239

    Best analogy I heard for AI today, is that its like the invention of the calculator.

    Calculators can do calculations instantly and accurately that people would struggle to do mentally. When calculators arose people were saying how bad that was for all sorts of reasons etc

    But calculators are a tool we can just use everyday now and take it for granted. Just like the internet is, just like electricity is, and just like AI will be going forwards too.

    Smart is knowing how to use those tools, not being able to outprocess the tools in what they've been designed to do.

    My calculator can do calculations I can't in my head, but I'm smarter than the calculator as I know how to use it, not the other way around. Same with AI.

    Stop. Just stop


    “AI” is really really really really really really really really not “just like the invention of the pocket calculator”
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,814

    nico679 said:

    Another so called win for the Queen of Trade Deals !

    Aussie beef exports to UK 17,000 tonnes.

    UK exports to Australia , a big fat zero !

    And the reason , the UK signed a deal that fxcked UK farmers and allowed the Aussies to draw out for years the approval process for beef imports .

    As with all the trade deals signed by the over promoted waste of space it’s all about garnering positive headlines from the right wing press .

    - Total UK exports to Australia amounted to £14.3 billion in the four quarters to the end of Q3 2023 (an increase of 18.5% or £2.2 billion in current prices, compared to the four quarters to the end of Q3 2022);
    - Total UK imports from Australia amounted to £5.2 billion in the four quarters to the end of Q3 2023 (an increase of 15.8% or £707 million in current prices, compared to the four quarters to the end of Q3 2022)

    https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/65d4917bc2682d001628e881/australia-trade-and-investment-factsheet-2024-02-22.pdf
    Why the fuck are we importing beef from the other side of the world? What’s wrong with our own beef, rather than a load of probable shite from Australia.
    Is it vegan? :lol:
    I've never tried eating vegan food, but if I was starving I suppose I could eat a vegan as a last resort.
    A falsehood, given that lots of foods one eats regularly are vegan. Never eaten potatoes, or peas, or carrots?
    Oh dear.

    image
    Childish with it.
    Spot the difference with and without carbs. "Then I noticed my muscles looked bigger and fuller and harder, I just couldn't believe it."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-68308809
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,870
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Meta's chief AI wallah tells Musk he is wrong. Sorry @Leon

    Yann LeCun

    @ylecun
    ·
    4h
    No.
    If it were the case, we would have AI systems that could teach themselves to drive a car in 20 hours of practice, like any 17 year-old.

    But we still don't have fully autonomous, reliable self-driving, even though we (you) have millions of hours of *labeled* training data.

    https://twitter.com/ylecun/status/1768330345059872931

    *Mic drop*

    That should end the debate. Well said.
    LeCun is hilariously clueless
    He's right on this.

    A 17 year old whose prefrontal cortex isn't even fully developed can learn to drive with 20 hours of training.

    AI can't learn to drive with millions of hours of training.

    The idea AI is smarter than humans is facetious bullshit. It might know more, but its not smarter.
    Current-generation AIs don't even know what year it is. Facts are not exactly their strong point. But they haven't been designed to do so.
    AI won't be smart until it can do stuff it hasn't been designed to do, simply because it wants to do it, without anyone prompting it to do so.

    Like any toddler can.
    Er, GPT3 did exactly that. No one taught it to draw. No one realised it had that capability. Then someone asked it to draw - and it did

    “AI is just an evolution of stuff we already have, it’s not some great new thing.”

    “The internet is exactly like a vegetable spiralizer”


    “I can tell you for a fact, AI will provide some efficiency gains and that will be the end of it.”
    The only people that think chat gpt is ai are people who know nothing on the subject and read hype from companies interested in raising money. The same happened with block chain and everything had to be block chain.

    Guess what block chain was overhyped bollocks so are llms but it gives no nothing idiot journalists something to froth about and they will be just as wrong now as they were about the importance of block chain or what 3 words. The reason we despise journalists is they write shit about stuff while having no understanding and getting it wrong. I trust politicians more than journalists and I have no faith whatsoever in politicians
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,814
    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Meta's chief AI wallah tells Musk he is wrong. Sorry @Leon

    Yann LeCun

    @ylecun
    ·
    4h
    No.
    If it were the case, we would have AI systems that could teach themselves to drive a car in 20 hours of practice, like any 17 year-old.

    But we still don't have fully autonomous, reliable self-driving, even though we (you) have millions of hours of *labeled* training data.

    https://twitter.com/ylecun/status/1768330345059872931

    *Mic drop*

    That should end the debate. Well said.
    LeCun is hilariously clueless
    He's right on this.

    A 17 year old whose prefrontal cortex isn't even fully developed can learn to drive with 20 hours of training.

    AI can't learn to drive with millions of hours of training.

    The idea AI is smarter than humans is facetious bullshit. It might know more, but its not smarter.
    Current-generation AIs don't even know what year it is. Facts are not exactly their strong point. But they haven't been designed to do so.
    AI won't be smart until it can do stuff it hasn't been designed to do, simply because it wants to do it, without anyone prompting it to do so.

    Like any toddler can.
    Er, GPT3 did exactly that. No one taught it to draw. No one realised it had that capability. Then someone asked it to draw - and it did

    “AI is just an evolution of stuff we already have, it’s not some great new thing.”

    “The internet is exactly like a vegetable spiralizer”


    “I can tell you for a fact, AI will provide some efficiency gains and that will be the end of it.”
    The only people that think chat gpt is ai are people who know nothing on the subject and read hype from companies interested in raising money. The same happened with block chain and everything had to be block chain.

    Guess what block chain was overhyped bollocks so are llms but it gives no nothing idiot journalists something to froth about and they will be just as wrong now as they were about the importance of block chain or what 3 words. The reason we despise journalists is they write shit about stuff while having no understanding and getting it wrong. I trust politicians more than journalists and I have no faith whatsoever in politicians
    There's quite a bit of overlap between the two, though.

    Messrs Gove, Johnson ...
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,239
    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Meta's chief AI wallah tells Musk he is wrong. Sorry @Leon

    Yann LeCun

    @ylecun
    ·
    4h
    No.
    If it were the case, we would have AI systems that could teach themselves to drive a car in 20 hours of practice, like any 17 year-old.

    But we still don't have fully autonomous, reliable self-driving, even though we (you) have millions of hours of *labeled* training data.

    https://twitter.com/ylecun/status/1768330345059872931

    *Mic drop*

    That should end the debate. Well said.
    LeCun is hilariously clueless
    He's right on this.

    A 17 year old whose prefrontal cortex isn't even fully developed can learn to drive with 20 hours of training.

    AI can't learn to drive with millions of hours of training.

    The idea AI is smarter than humans is facetious bullshit. It might know more, but its not smarter.
    Current-generation AIs don't even know what year it is. Facts are not exactly their strong point. But they haven't been designed to do so.
    AI won't be smart until it can do stuff it hasn't been designed to do, simply because it wants to do it, without anyone prompting it to do so.

    Like any toddler can.
    Er, GPT3 did exactly that. No one taught it to draw. No one realised it had that capability. Then someone asked it to draw - and it did

    “AI is just an evolution of stuff we already have, it’s not some great new thing.”

    “The internet is exactly like a vegetable spiralizer”


    “I can tell you for a fact, AI will provide some efficiency gains and that will be the end of it.”
    The only people that think chat gpt is ai are people who know nothing on the subject and read hype from companies interested in raising money. The same happened with block chain and everything had to be block chain.

    Guess what block chain was overhyped bollocks so are llms but it gives no nothing idiot journalists something to froth about and they will be just as wrong now as they were about the importance of block chain or what 3 words. The reason we despise journalists is they write shit about stuff while having no understanding and getting it wrong. I trust politicians more than journalists and I have no faith whatsoever in politicians
    Yeah but you thought your mum was a native Cornish speaker
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,984
    Checking the weather in the Alps ahead of my Easter skiing trip and by next Saturday the freezing level will be nudging 4,000 metres and temperatures in the valleys over 20C. My chosen “snow sure” resort is at 1,860 metres.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 21,968
    edited March 14
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Meta's chief AI wallah tells Musk he is wrong. Sorry @Leon

    Yann LeCun

    @ylecun
    ·
    4h
    No.
    If it were the case, we would have AI systems that could teach themselves to drive a car in 20 hours of practice, like any 17 year-old.

    But we still don't have fully autonomous, reliable self-driving, even though we (you) have millions of hours of *labeled* training data.

    https://twitter.com/ylecun/status/1768330345059872931

    *Mic drop*

    That should end the debate. Well said.
    LeCun is hilariously clueless
    He's right on this.

    A 17 year old whose prefrontal cortex isn't even fully developed can learn to drive with 20 hours of training.

    AI can't learn to drive with millions of hours of training.

    The idea AI is smarter than humans is facetious bullshit. It might know more, but its not smarter.
    Current-generation AIs don't even know what year it is. Facts are not exactly their strong point. But they haven't been designed to do so.
    AI won't be smart until it can do stuff it hasn't been designed to do, simply because it wants to do it, without anyone prompting it to do so.

    Like any toddler can.
    Er, GPT3 did exactly that. No one taught it to draw. No one realised it had that capability. Then someone asked it to draw - and it did

    “AI is just an evolution of stuff we already have, it’s not some great new thing.”

    “The internet is exactly like a vegetable spiralizer”


    “I can tell you for a fact, AI will provide some efficiency gains and that will be the end of it.”
    "... without prompting ..."

    "... someone asked it to draw ..."

    So no, that's not unprompted. Someone gave it the prompt and it did it.

    AI 100% is just an evolution of what we already have.

    I never said the internet is exactly like a vegetable spiraliser, you did, I said its a tool and it is. Also tools are the internet, calculators and vegetable spiralisers, yes. Corkscrews too.

    Different tools have different uses.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,870
    Carnyx said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Meta's chief AI wallah tells Musk he is wrong. Sorry @Leon

    Yann LeCun

    @ylecun
    ·
    4h
    No.
    If it were the case, we would have AI systems that could teach themselves to drive a car in 20 hours of practice, like any 17 year-old.

    But we still don't have fully autonomous, reliable self-driving, even though we (you) have millions of hours of *labeled* training data.

    https://twitter.com/ylecun/status/1768330345059872931

    *Mic drop*

    That should end the debate. Well said.
    LeCun is hilariously clueless
    He's right on this.

    A 17 year old whose prefrontal cortex isn't even fully developed can learn to drive with 20 hours of training.

    AI can't learn to drive with millions of hours of training.

    The idea AI is smarter than humans is facetious bullshit. It might know more, but its not smarter.
    Current-generation AIs don't even know what year it is. Facts are not exactly their strong point. But they haven't been designed to do so.
    AI won't be smart until it can do stuff it hasn't been designed to do, simply because it wants to do it, without anyone prompting it to do so.

    Like any toddler can.
    Er, GPT3 did exactly that. No one taught it to draw. No one realised it had that capability. Then someone asked it to draw - and it did

    “AI is just an evolution of stuff we already have, it’s not some great new thing.”

    “The internet is exactly like a vegetable spiralizer”


    “I can tell you for a fact, AI will provide some efficiency gains and that will be the end of it.”
    The only people that think chat gpt is ai are people who know nothing on the subject and read hype from companies interested in raising money. The same happened with block chain and everything had to be block chain.

    Guess what block chain was overhyped bollocks so are llms but it gives no nothing idiot journalists something to froth about and they will be just as wrong now as they were about the importance of block chain or what 3 words. The reason we despise journalists is they write shit about stuff while having no understanding and getting it wrong. I trust politicians more than journalists and I have no faith whatsoever in politicians
    There's quite a bit of overlap between the two, though.

    Messrs Gove, Johnson ...
    The only difference is politicians say what they say knowing they are lying, journalists actually believe the bollocks they write and claim to be more intelligent than the rest of us whereas they are the modern day version of the village idiot
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 21,968
    edited March 14
    Leon said:

    Best analogy I heard for AI today, is that its like the invention of the calculator.

    Calculators can do calculations instantly and accurately that people would struggle to do mentally. When calculators arose people were saying how bad that was for all sorts of reasons etc

    But calculators are a tool we can just use everyday now and take it for granted. Just like the internet is, just like electricity is, and just like AI will be going forwards too.

    Smart is knowing how to use those tools, not being able to outprocess the tools in what they've been designed to do.

    My calculator can do calculations I can't in my head, but I'm smarter than the calculator as I know how to use it, not the other way around. Same with AI.

    Stop. Just stop


    “AI” is really really really really really really really really not “just like the invention of the pocket calculator”
    LLM "AI" is exactly like the invention of the pocket calculator.

    Its a tool to do quickly what the user wants it to do.

    Its not a sentient, self-actualising body that is doing what it wants to do all by itself.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,870
    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Meta's chief AI wallah tells Musk he is wrong. Sorry @Leon

    Yann LeCun

    @ylecun
    ·
    4h
    No.
    If it were the case, we would have AI systems that could teach themselves to drive a car in 20 hours of practice, like any 17 year-old.

    But we still don't have fully autonomous, reliable self-driving, even though we (you) have millions of hours of *labeled* training data.

    https://twitter.com/ylecun/status/1768330345059872931

    *Mic drop*

    That should end the debate. Well said.
    LeCun is hilariously clueless
    He's right on this.

    A 17 year old whose prefrontal cortex isn't even fully developed can learn to drive with 20 hours of training.

    AI can't learn to drive with millions of hours of training.

    The idea AI is smarter than humans is facetious bullshit. It might know more, but its not smarter.
    Current-generation AIs don't even know what year it is. Facts are not exactly their strong point. But they haven't been designed to do so.
    AI won't be smart until it can do stuff it hasn't been designed to do, simply because it wants to do it, without anyone prompting it to do so.

    Like any toddler can.
    Er, GPT3 did exactly that. No one taught it to draw. No one realised it had that capability. Then someone asked it to draw - and it did

    “AI is just an evolution of stuff we already have, it’s not some great new thing.”

    “The internet is exactly like a vegetable spiralizer”


    “I can tell you for a fact, AI will provide some efficiency gains and that will be the end of it.”
    The only people that think chat gpt is ai are people who know nothing on the subject and read hype from companies interested in raising money. The same happened with block chain and everything had to be block chain.

    Guess what block chain was overhyped bollocks so are llms but it gives no nothing idiot journalists something to froth about and they will be just as wrong now as they were about the importance of block chain or what 3 words. The reason we despise journalists is they write shit about stuff while having no understanding and getting it wrong. I trust politicians more than journalists and I have no faith whatsoever in politicians
    Yeah but you thought your mum was a native Cornish speaker
    My mother spoke a language of celtic origin yes, she said it was cornish. Tough I dont give a toss what you think isn't it why should I disbelieve her?
  • MightyAlexMightyAlex Posts: 1,660
    edited March 14
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Meta's chief AI wallah tells Musk he is wrong. Sorry @Leon

    Yann LeCun

    @ylecun
    ·
    4h
    No.
    If it were the case, we would have AI systems that could teach themselves to drive a car in 20 hours of practice, like any 17 year-old.

    But we still don't have fully autonomous, reliable self-driving, even though we (you) have millions of hours of *labeled* training data.

    https://twitter.com/ylecun/status/1768330345059872931

    *Mic drop*

    That should end the debate. Well said.
    LeCun is hilariously clueless
    He's right on this.

    A 17 year old whose prefrontal cortex isn't even fully developed can learn to drive with 20 hours of training.

    AI can't learn to drive with millions of hours of training.

    The idea AI is smarter than humans is facetious bullshit. It might know more, but its not smarter.
    Seriously. Don’t listen to LeCun

    He’s one of the godfathers of AI but he’s well past it. He’s made loads of embarrassing mistakes in recent years

    Here’s one. He recently claimed that LLMs could not understand the basic physics of an object placed on a table

    Then GPT3.5 did exactly that

    https://youtu.be/sWF6SKfjtoU?si=IVbu3nOFU4tg6ZqQ

    I think he just doesn’t grasp how fast and why AI is developing but as a proud man with a remarkable CV he’s reluctant to retire and accept his redundancy

    I'd recommend you read this:
    https://writings.stephenwolfram.com/2023/02/what-is-chatgpt-doing-and-why-does-it-work/

    Atmo you seem like a priest without theology.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,027
    TimS said:

    Checking the weather in the Alps ahead of my Easter skiing trip and by next Saturday the freezing level will be nudging 4,000 metres and temperatures in the valleys over 20C. My chosen “snow sure” resort is at 1,860 metres.

    My eldest (57) was a professional snowboarder and wintered in Chamonix but also went to Lake Tahoe and Whistler ( as a guest snowboarder) and not once was there a lack of snow

    This was in the late 80s
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,027
    Despite the pile on on Sunak rejecting the 2nd May I would still suggest that Starmer's majority ( which he will get) will depend on just how well Reform perform
  • TrumanTruman Posts: 279

    Best analogy I heard for AI today, is that its like the invention of the calculator.

    Calculators can do calculations instantly and accurately that people would struggle to do mentally. When calculators arose people were saying how bad that was for all sorts of reasons etc

    But calculators are a tool we can just use everyday now and take it for granted. Just like the internet is, just like electricity is, and just like AI will be going forwards too.

    Smart is knowing how to use those tools, not being able to outprocess the tools in what they've been designed to do.

    My calculator can do calculations I can't in my head, but I'm smarter than the calculator as I know how to use it, not the other way around. Same with AI.

    Biggest indicator ai likely to be a damp squib is wall street hyping it. 2 years ago wall street was hyping the metaverse. Wall street of course overhyped the internet too. Anyone remember aol or yahoo.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,399
    edited March 14
    The loss of the Easter skiing holiday.
    Will this torture of the Red Wall never stop?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,814

    Despite the pile on on Sunak rejecting the 2nd May I would still suggest that Starmer's majority ( which he will get) will depend on just how well Reform perform

    Lee Anderson will be the Sir Jimmy Goldsmith of the 2024/5 election.
  • TrumanTruman Posts: 279
    dixiedean said:

    The loss of the Easter skiing holiday.
    Will this torture of the Red Wall never stop?

    He can go to tenerife instead.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,627

    Despite the pile on on Sunak rejecting the 2nd May I would still suggest that Starmer's majority ( which he will get) will depend on just how well Reform perform

    We have seen Reform consistently underperform their polling in byelections. Shortly we will see them do poorly in the Locals. I expect them to do so too at the GE.
  • Truman said:

    dixiedean said:

    The loss of the Easter skiing holiday.
    Will this torture of the Red Wall never stop?

    He can go to tenerife instead.
    Not an option for Sunak.

    He's the sort where if you go to tenerife, he has to go to elevenerife.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 6,813

    i reporting that Sunak plans "policy blitz" in next week.

    That should be more LOL then!!! :lol:

    Can the cones hotline be bested?



    Great. A blitz of backfiring sh*t to look forward to then.
  • TrumanTruman Posts: 279
    Interesting anout how Trump is dividing families.

    My father and I are both lifelong Republicans. He got aboard the “Trump Train” and I waved farewell from the station.

    The sad thing is, I’ve loved talking politics with him all my life. Insightful, well-reasoned, a wealth of insight even if we didn’t agree on everything.

    Now, it’s all slogans and empty bullshit bromides. Jokes about pronouns and other intellect-light culture war nonsense.

    MAGA didn’t just make him angrier. It made him stupider, too. Perhaps its greatest accomplishment.
    10:26 PM · Mar 14, 2024
    ·
    794
    Views

    https://x.com/Ibram_Gaunt77/status/1768403239160983637?s=20
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,984
    dixiedean said:

    The loss of the Easter skiing holiday.
    Will this torture of the Red Wall never stop?

    As we were discussing earlier, global warming just means the red wall will be milder and wetter.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,984
    Foxy said:

    Despite the pile on on Sunak rejecting the 2nd May I would still suggest that Starmer's majority ( which he will get) will depend on just how well Reform perform

    We have seen Reform consistently underperform their polling in byelections. Shortly we will see them do poorly in the Locals. I expect them to do so too at the GE.
    By contrast I expect the Greens, who are at least 5 points behind Reform in polls, to gain at least 10 times as many council seats as them.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,779

    i reporting that Sunak plans "policy blitz" in next week.

    That should be more LOL then!!! :lol:

    Can the cones hotline be bested?



    Great. A blitz of backfiring sh*t to look forward to then.
    And then a blitz of anti-backfiring sh*t. Then a blitz of ....

    ... However!

    ... Then a blitz of....
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,627

    Despite the pile on on Sunak rejecting the 2nd May I would still suggest that Starmer's majority ( which he will get) will depend on just how well Reform perform

    Lee Anderson will be the Sir Jimmy Goldsmith of the 2024/5 election.
    I think it is calculated that The Referendum party added about 20 seats to Labour's 1997 majority, so that is an accurate analogy. But 20 years later Goldsmiths legacy was Brexit, so even though REFUK will damage the Tories in the short term, in the longer term they may well take it over.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,779
    TimS said:

    To give it its due, Chat GPT has really excelled itself in this latest fictional debate between a right wing catastrophist travel journalist, a nihilist with a Cornish speaking mother, and a man who eats nothing but meat.

    Those are all the same person, but with different usernames - all arguing with each other. Right?
  • TrumanTruman Posts: 279
    Foxy said:

    Despite the pile on on Sunak rejecting the 2nd May I would still suggest that Starmer's majority ( which he will get) will depend on just how well Reform perform

    We have seen Reform consistently underperform their polling in byelections. Shortly we will see them do poorly in the Locals. I expect them to do so too at the GE.
    Yes but Holly Valance.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,479
    Scott_xP said:

    ...

    Backache for Mrs Brady?
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,044
    TimS said:

    Foxy said:

    Despite the pile on on Sunak rejecting the 2nd May I would still suggest that Starmer's majority ( which he will get) will depend on just how well Reform perform

    We have seen Reform consistently underperform their polling in byelections. Shortly we will see them do poorly in the Locals. I expect them to do so too at the GE.
    By contrast I expect the Greens, who are at least 5 points behind Reform in polls, to gain at least 10 times as many council seats as them.
    Indeed. Just for some background… Ref UK currently have 9. The Green Party of E&W currently have 744, while the Scottish Green Party and the NI Greens have 36 and 5 respectively, elected of course under STV. So the Greens have 87 times as many councillors.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,779
    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Meta's chief AI wallah tells Musk he is wrong. Sorry @Leon

    Yann LeCun

    @ylecun
    ·
    4h
    No.
    If it were the case, we would have AI systems that could teach themselves to drive a car in 20 hours of practice, like any 17 year-old.

    But we still don't have fully autonomous, reliable self-driving, even though we (you) have millions of hours of *labeled* training data.

    https://twitter.com/ylecun/status/1768330345059872931

    *Mic drop*

    That should end the debate. Well said.
    LeCun is hilariously clueless
    He's right on this.

    A 17 year old whose prefrontal cortex isn't even fully developed can learn to drive with 20 hours of training.

    AI can't learn to drive with millions of hours of training.

    The idea AI is smarter than humans is facetious bullshit. It might know more, but its not smarter.
    Current-generation AIs don't even know what year it is. Facts are not exactly their strong point. But they haven't been designed to do so.
    AI won't be smart until it can do stuff it hasn't been designed to do, simply because it wants to do it, without anyone prompting it to do so.

    Like any toddler can.
    Er, GPT3 did exactly that. No one taught it to draw. No one realised it had that capability. Then someone asked it to draw - and it did

    “AI is just an evolution of stuff we already have, it’s not some great new thing.”

    “The internet is exactly like a vegetable spiralizer”


    “I can tell you for a fact, AI will provide some efficiency gains and that will be the end of it.”
    The only people that think chat gpt is ai are people who know nothing on the subject and read hype from companies interested in raising money. The same happened with block chain and everything had to be block chain.

    Guess what block chain was overhyped bollocks so are llms but it gives no nothing idiot journalists something to froth about and they will be just as wrong now as they were about the importance of block chain or what 3 words. The reason we despise journalists is they write shit about stuff while having no understanding and getting it wrong. I trust politicians more than journalists and I have no faith whatsoever in politicians
    I think there is a disparity between 'ChatGPT' and 'AI' going on. ChatGPT/Claude/Groq/Gemini/Mixtral/whatever are 'a thing'. The techniques, progress that's going on outside of that world is quite striking.

    My only few IT bets down the years have been Linux, The Internet, 'Virtualisation' and 'Mobile'. I've been on a bit of a streak - but 'AI' is giving similar twitchy nose vibes,
  • TrumanTruman Posts: 279
    ohnotnow said:

    TimS said:

    To give it its due, Chat GPT has really excelled itself in this latest fictional debate between a right wing catastrophist travel journalist, a nihilist with a Cornish speaking mother, and a man who eats nothing but meat.

    Those are all the same person, but with different usernames - all arguing with each other. Right?
    Im on the lookout for the russian trolls. I will let you know when i find a likely suspect.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,208
    edited March 14

    Best analogy I heard for AI today, is that its like the invention of the calculator.

    Calculators can do calculations instantly and accurately that people would struggle to do mentally. When calculators arose people were saying how bad that was for all sorts of reasons etc

    But calculators are a tool we can just use everyday now and take it for granted. Just like the internet is, just like electricity is, and just like AI will be going forwards too.

    Smart is knowing how to use those tools, not being able to outprocess the tools in what they've been designed to do.

    My calculator can do calculations I can't in my head, but I'm smarter than the calculator as I know how to use it, not the other way around. Same with AI.

    AI is a tool and should be treated as such. The problems come when we stop doing that. I don't think it's like a picket calculator though. What AI is really, really good at is pattern matching huge amounts of data. Humans aren't so good at that.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Meta's chief AI wallah tells Musk he is wrong. Sorry @Leon

    Yann LeCun

    @ylecun
    ·
    4h
    No.
    If it were the case, we would have AI systems that could teach themselves to drive a car in 20 hours of practice, like any 17 year-old.

    But we still don't have fully autonomous, reliable self-driving, even though we (you) have millions of hours of *labeled* training data.

    https://twitter.com/ylecun/status/1768330345059872931

    *Mic drop*

    That should end the debate. Well said.
    LeCun is hilariously clueless
    He's right on this.

    A 17 year old whose prefrontal cortex isn't even fully developed can learn to drive with 20 hours of training.

    AI can't learn to drive with millions of hours of training.

    The idea AI is smarter than humans is facetious bullshit. It might know more, but its not smarter.
    Current-generation AIs don't even know what year it is. Facts are not exactly their strong point. But they haven't been designed to do so.
    AI won't be smart until it can do stuff it hasn't been designed to do, simply because it wants to do it, without anyone prompting it to do so.

    Like any toddler can.
    Er, GPT3 did exactly that. No one taught it to draw. No one realised it had that capability. Then someone asked it to draw - and it did

    “AI is just an evolution of stuff we already have, it’s not some great new thing.”

    “The internet is exactly like a vegetable spiralizer”


    “I can tell you for a fact, AI will provide some efficiency gains and that will be the end of it.”
    The only people that think chat gpt is ai are people who know nothing on the subject and read hype from companies interested in raising money. The same happened with block chain and everything had to be block chain.

    Guess what block chain was overhyped bollocks so are llms but it gives no nothing idiot journalists something to froth about and they will be just as wrong now as they were about the importance of block chain or what 3 words. The reason we despise journalists is they write shit about stuff while having no understanding and getting it wrong. I trust politicians more than journalists and I have no faith whatsoever in politicians
    Yeah but you thought your mum was a native Cornish speaker
    My mother spoke a language of celtic origin yes, she said it was cornish. Tough I dont give a toss what you think isn't it why should I disbelieve her?
    Don't know what they say in Cornwall, but in Ireland the Irish say: "Me mother - drunk or sober!"
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,239

    Macron on French TV this evening :
    The war in 🇺🇦 is “existential…”If Russia were to win, life for the French would change. We would no longer have security in Europe. Who can seriously believe that Putin, who has respected no limits, would stop there?”


    https://x.com/peddersophie/status/1768363829472133143

    *slow claps*

    NOW he gets it!
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,479
    TimS said:

    To give it its due, Chat GPT has really excelled itself in this latest fictional debate between a right wing catastrophist travel journalist, a nihilist with a Cornish speaking mother, and a man who eats nothing but meat.

    I like the character development on the nihilist. I think we are supposed to instinctively dislike him but he often says things that show a different side to him, causing us to warm to him.

    The lager-drinking device used on the catastrophist is rather obvious and grossly overdone, though.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,044
    Other parties with more councillors than Reform UK include Aspire and the Ashfield Independents, but they are doing better than the Liberal Party or the SDP.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,779
    ohnotnow said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Meta's chief AI wallah tells Musk he is wrong. Sorry @Leon

    Yann LeCun

    @ylecun
    ·
    4h
    No.
    If it were the case, we would have AI systems that could teach themselves to drive a car in 20 hours of practice, like any 17 year-old.

    But we still don't have fully autonomous, reliable self-driving, even though we (you) have millions of hours of *labeled* training data.

    https://twitter.com/ylecun/status/1768330345059872931

    *Mic drop*

    That should end the debate. Well said.
    LeCun is hilariously clueless
    He's right on this.

    A 17 year old whose prefrontal cortex isn't even fully developed can learn to drive with 20 hours of training.

    AI can't learn to drive with millions of hours of training.

    The idea AI is smarter than humans is facetious bullshit. It might know more, but its not smarter.
    Current-generation AIs don't even know what year it is. Facts are not exactly their strong point. But they haven't been designed to do so.
    AI won't be smart until it can do stuff it hasn't been designed to do, simply because it wants to do it, without anyone prompting it to do so.

    Like any toddler can.
    Er, GPT3 did exactly that. No one taught it to draw. No one realised it had that capability. Then someone asked it to draw - and it did

    “AI is just an evolution of stuff we already have, it’s not some great new thing.”

    “The internet is exactly like a vegetable spiralizer”


    “I can tell you for a fact, AI will provide some efficiency gains and that will be the end of it.”
    The only people that think chat gpt is ai are people who know nothing on the subject and read hype from companies interested in raising money. The same happened with block chain and everything had to be block chain.

    Guess what block chain was overhyped bollocks so are llms but it gives no nothing idiot journalists something to froth about and they will be just as wrong now as they were about the importance of block chain or what 3 words. The reason we despise journalists is they write shit about stuff while having no understanding and getting it wrong. I trust politicians more than journalists and I have no faith whatsoever in politicians
    I think there is a disparity between 'ChatGPT' and 'AI' going on. ChatGPT/Claude/Groq/Gemini/Mixtral/whatever are 'a thing'. The techniques, progress that's going on outside of that world is quite striking.

    My only few IT bets down the years have been Linux, The Internet, 'Virtualisation' and 'Mobile'. I've been on a bit of a streak - but 'AI' is giving similar twitchy nose vibes,
    (Full disclosure - my first paying gig was for Atari - so ymmv)
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,859

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Meta's chief AI wallah tells Musk he is wrong. Sorry @Leon

    Yann LeCun

    @ylecun
    ·
    4h
    No.
    If it were the case, we would have AI systems that could teach themselves to drive a car in 20 hours of practice, like any 17 year-old.

    But we still don't have fully autonomous, reliable self-driving, even though we (you) have millions of hours of *labeled* training data.

    https://twitter.com/ylecun/status/1768330345059872931

    *Mic drop*

    That should end the debate. Well said.
    LeCun is hilariously clueless
    He's right on this.

    A 17 year old whose prefrontal cortex isn't even fully developed can learn to drive with 20 hours of training.

    AI can't learn to drive with millions of hours of training.

    The idea AI is smarter than humans is facetious bullshit. It might know more, but its not smarter.
    Seriously. Don’t listen to LeCun

    He’s one of the godfathers of AI but he’s well past it. He’s made loads of embarrassing mistakes in recent years

    Here’s one. He recently claimed that LLMs could not understand the basic physics of an object placed on a table

    Then GPT3.5 did exactly that

    https://youtu.be/sWF6SKfjtoU?si=IVbu3nOFU4tg6ZqQ

    I think he just doesn’t grasp how fast and why AI is developing but as a proud man with a remarkable CV he’s reluctant to retire and accept his redundancy

    I'd recommend you read this:
    .
    We know he can cut, and we know he can paste, but does any reading take place in between?
  • TrumanTruman Posts: 279
    Farage aint happy.

    could be in REAL trouble!'

    @Nigel_Farage
    : 'Hope Not Hate's 'State of Hate Report' mentions me 56 times (more than any other individual), GB News is mentioned 'page after page', and people could use the word hate 'as a cover to shut down anyone they disagree with'.

    https://x.com/GBNEWS/status/1768376806691020949?s=20
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,044
    While I think Reform will underperform in the May locals, they might pick up a seat or two in the London Assembly, as UKIP once did. Would that boost their national profile?

    This is the RefUK candidate in my Assembly constituency: https://www.reformparty.uk/gla-barnet-and-camden He used to be in the Conservatives and, before that, supported the BNP! However, the BNP in question was the Bangladesh Nationalist Party.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,479

    While I think Reform will underperform in the May locals, they might pick up a seat or two in the London Assembly, as UKIP once did. Would that boost their national profile?

    This is the RefUK candidate in my Assembly constituency: https://www.reformparty.uk/gla-barnet-and-camden He used to be in the Conservatives and, before that, supported the BNP! However, the BNP in question was the Bangladesh Nationalist Party.

    His profile page says: “anti-social behaviors [sic] are in rocket-high”

  • DM_AndyDM_Andy Posts: 1,127

    While I think Reform will underperform in the May locals, they might pick up a seat or two in the London Assembly, as UKIP once did. Would that boost their national profile?

    This is the RefUK candidate in my Assembly constituency: https://www.reformparty.uk/gla-barnet-and-camden He used to be in the Conservatives and, before that, supported the BNP! However, the BNP in question was the Bangladesh Nationalist Party.

    He wants AI driven efficient policing, maybe Leon's right about the coming dystopia.

  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,574

    Macron on French TV this evening :
    The war in 🇺🇦 is “existential…”If Russia were to win, life for the French would change. We would no longer have security in Europe. Who can seriously believe that Putin, who has respected no limits, would stop there?”


    https://x.com/peddersophie/status/1768363829472133143

    *slow claps*

    NOW he gets it!
    To be fair, it has now been revealed that his pleading with Putin for peace, prior to the war starting, was at the request of the Ukrainians.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,354
    TimS said:

    Foxy said:

    Despite the pile on on Sunak rejecting the 2nd May I would still suggest that Starmer's majority ( which he will get) will depend on just how well Reform perform

    We have seen Reform consistently underperform their polling in byelections. Shortly we will see them do poorly in the Locals. I expect them to do so too at the GE.
    By contrast I expect the Greens, who are at least 5 points behind Reform in polls, to gain at least 10 times as many council seats as them.
    I'm very confident that Reform will receive more votes at the GE than the Greens.
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,243
    Jack and Jill have three children. Jack has three and sevenpence in his pocket, Jill has four and eightpence in her purse. How much pocket money can they give to each child?

    I hesitate to insult fellow PBers by revealing the answer to be two and ninepence - you'll have worked that out for ourselves, no doubt. But I'd be interested to know if AI could do it as quickly.
  • PJHPJH Posts: 643
    Have we had this one yet?
    LAB: 44% (=)
    CON: 22% (-1)
    RFM: 12% (+1)
    LDM: 11% (+1)
    GRN: 5% (-1)
    SNP: 3% (=)

    Via
    @techneUK
    , 13-14 Mar.
    Changes w/ 6-7 Mar.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,814
    PJH said:

    Have we had this one yet?
    LAB: 44% (=)
    CON: 22% (-1)
    RFM: 12% (+1)
    LDM: 11% (+1)
    GRN: 5% (-1)
    SNP: 3% (=)

    Via
    @techneUK
    , 13-14 Mar.
    Changes w/ 6-7 Mar.

    Broken, sleazy, RACIST Tories on the slide!
  • PJHPJH Posts: 643
    Also a local by-election:

    Cricklade & Latton (Wiltshire) Council By-Election Result:

    🔶 LDM: 76.0% (+13.9)
    🌳 CON: 18.7% (-19.2)
    🌹 LAB: 3.3% (New)
    🌍 GEN: 2.0% (New)

    Liberal Democrat HOLD.
    Changes w/ 2021.

    No RefUK as usual but LD ahead of national polling again (local by-election so don't read too much into that)
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,239
    carnforth said:

    Macron on French TV this evening :
    The war in 🇺🇦 is “existential…”If Russia were to win, life for the French would change. We would no longer have security in Europe. Who can seriously believe that Putin, who has respected no limits, would stop there?”


    https://x.com/peddersophie/status/1768363829472133143

    *slow claps*

    NOW he gets it!
    To be fair, it has now been revealed that his pleading with Putin for peace, prior to the war starting, was at the request of the Ukrainians.
    Considers matters.

    Nah. He doesn’t deserve fair

  • PJHPJH Posts: 643
    And while I was typing the Wiltshire one, the other one came through

    Castle (Lancaster) Council By-Election Result:

    🌍 GRN: 65.0% (+6.4)
    🌹 LAB: 26.3 (-3.0)
    🌳 CON: 5.3% (-1.8)
    🔶 LDM: 3.3% (-1.7)

    Green Party HOLD.
    Changes w/ 2023.

    It is very difficult to judge how RefUK will do when they never stand. Frustrating. But following on from a previous comment, a good sign for the Greens. I find it hard to believe that come the election, RefUK will significantly outpoll them when there is no evidence of it on the ground.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,889
    So clearly most voters think both Hamas and Israel have committed war crimes and would leave it up to them to find a solution.

    However I doubt it swings any seats, apart from maybe some of the Barnet seats back to the Tories if Labour push too hard for a ceasefire, or Bradford and Tower Hamlets in addition to Rochdale to Galloway if Labour are seen as too pro Israel
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,129

    carnforth said:

    Macron on French TV this evening :
    The war in 🇺🇦 is “existential…”If Russia were to win, life for the French would change. We would no longer have security in Europe. Who can seriously believe that Putin, who has respected no limits, would stop there?”


    https://x.com/peddersophie/status/1768363829472133143

    *slow claps*

    NOW he gets it!
    To be fair, it has now been revealed that his pleading with Putin for peace, prior to the war starting, was at the request of the Ukrainians.
    Considers matters.

    Nah. He doesn’t deserve fair

    Haven't you been reading our newest poster? It turns out that Bridgette is actually a man, something that M Macron was presumably unaware of when he married... him. So he deserves our deepest sympathies.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,574
    rcs1000 said:

    carnforth said:

    Macron on French TV this evening :
    The war in 🇺🇦 is “existential…”If Russia were to win, life for the French would change. We would no longer have security in Europe. Who can seriously believe that Putin, who has respected no limits, would stop there?”


    https://x.com/peddersophie/status/1768363829472133143

    *slow claps*

    NOW he gets it!
    To be fair, it has now been revealed that his pleading with Putin for peace, prior to the war starting, was at the request of the Ukrainians.
    Considers matters.

    Nah. He doesn’t deserve fair

    Haven't you been reading our newest poster? It turns out that Bridgette is actually a man, something that M Macron was presumably unaware of when he married... him. So he deserves our deepest sympathies.
    A retread of the Obama/michelle consipracy.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,517
    carnforth said:

    Macron on French TV this evening :
    The war in 🇺🇦 is “existential…”If Russia were to win, life for the French would change. We would no longer have security in Europe. Who can seriously believe that Putin, who has respected no limits, would stop there?”


    https://x.com/peddersophie/status/1768363829472133143

    *slow claps*

    NOW he gets it!
    To be fair, it has now been revealed that his pleading with Putin for peace, prior to the war starting, was at the request of the Ukrainians.
    I don't get the criticism of Macron over Ukraine. He did not compromise French preparations nor support for Ukraine with weapons etc even though he was still talking to Putin every day. It strikes me as an example of exemplary statesmanship. Work for peace and prepare for war.

    Both Johnson and Macron, for all their myriad other failings (Johnson more than Macron) were absolutely right with the way they handled the lead up to and start of the invasion.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,354

    Jack and Jill have three children. Jack has three and sevenpence in his pocket, Jill has four and eightpence in her purse. How much pocket money can they give to each child?

    I hesitate to insult fellow PBers by revealing the answer to be two and ninepence - you'll have worked that out for ourselves, no doubt. But I'd be interested to know if AI could do it as quickly.

    Yeah. It's bizarrely bad at that question. Needed four tries with extra prompting and hints.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,574

    carnforth said:

    Macron on French TV this evening :
    The war in 🇺🇦 is “existential…”If Russia were to win, life for the French would change. We would no longer have security in Europe. Who can seriously believe that Putin, who has respected no limits, would stop there?”


    https://x.com/peddersophie/status/1768363829472133143

    *slow claps*

    NOW he gets it!
    To be fair, it has now been revealed that his pleading with Putin for peace, prior to the war starting, was at the request of the Ukrainians.
    I don't get the criticism of Macron over Ukraine. He did not compromise French preparations nor support for Ukraine with weapons etc even though he was still talking to Putin every day. It strikes me as an example of exemplary statesmanship. Work for peace and prepare for war.

    Both Johnson and Macron, for all their myriad other failings (Johnson more than Macron) were absolutely right with the way they handled the lead up to and start of the invasion.
    I think it’s just the natural mistrust of France here, combined with their undoubted commercial operations in Russia. France tends to be a ferocious defender of French commercial interests, and it was easy to assume that’s what was happening.
  • DM_AndyDM_Andy Posts: 1,127

    Jack and Jill have three children. Jack has three and sevenpence in his pocket, Jill has four and eightpence in her purse. How much pocket money can they give to each child?

    I hesitate to insult fellow PBers by revealing the answer to be two and ninepence - you'll have worked that out for ourselves, no doubt. But I'd be interested to know if AI could do it as quickly.

    None of GPT3.5, GPT4 or Gemini could do it, Gemini interpreted three and sevenpence as 10p (a bit like five and twenty blackbirds), the Chat GPTs both thought it was £3.07 so each child would get £2.38.

    Adding in shillings where appropriate helped though Gemini for some reason decided to round up to the nearest shilling and GPT3.5 almost got it and then forgot how many pennies were in a shilling to come up with a very confident and wrong 2 shillings and 4 pence). GPT4 did get it completely right with an python code that I hadn't asked for and an odd moral lesson added.


    Let's break it down. First, we need to add up Jack and Jill's total money to see what they're working with. Since we're dealing with shillings and pence, a quick refresher: there are 12 pence in a shilling.

    Jack has 3 shillings and 7 pence, while Jill has 4 shillings and 8 pence. Let's convert everything into pence first for ease of calculation, then add them up, and finally divide the total by three (since they have three children) to figure out how much each child can receive. After that, we'll convert the amount back into shillings and pence for each child.

    Let's calculate:

    Jack and Jill can give each child 2 shillings and 9 pence. It's a tidy sum, considering the era of shillings and pence! Distributing their savings equally among their children shows a fair and practical approach to pocket money, ensuring each child receives a portion to spend or save as they see fit.

    # Conversion rates
    pence_per_shilling = 12

    # Jack's money in pence
    jack_shillings = 3
    jack_pence = 7
    jack_total_pence = jack_shillings * pence_per_shilling + jack_pence

    # Jill's money in pence
    jill_shillings = 4
    jill_pence = 8
    jill_total_pence = jill_shillings * pence_per_shilling + jill_pence

    # Total money in pence
    total_pence = jack_total_pence + jill_total_pence

    # Divide by three children
    per_child_pence = total_pence / 3

    # Convert back to shillings and pence for each child
    child_shillings, child_pence = divmod(per_child_pence, pence_per_shilling)

    (child_shillings, child_pence)



  • Jack and Jill have three children. Jack has three and sevenpence in his pocket, Jill has four and eightpence in her purse. How much pocket money can they give to each child?

    I hesitate to insult fellow PBers by revealing the answer to be two and ninepence - you'll have worked that out for ourselves, no doubt. But I'd be interested to know if AI could do it as quickly.

    Well you have seven (what?) and 15 pence, so the solution should be 2 (what) and five pence each with 1 (what) leftover.

    If those were pounds you're talking about, then that's another 33 pence each with a penny left over.

    So I'm going £2.48 each with a penny leftover.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,354
    PJH said:

    And while I was typing the Wiltshire one, the other one came through

    Castle (Lancaster) Council By-Election Result:

    🌍 GRN: 65.0% (+6.4)
    🌹 LAB: 26.3 (-3.0)
    🌳 CON: 5.3% (-1.8)
    🔶 LDM: 3.3% (-1.7)

    Green Party HOLD.
    Changes w/ 2023.

    It is very difficult to judge how RefUK will do when they never stand. Frustrating. But following on from a previous comment, a good sign for the Greens. I find it hard to believe that come the election, RefUK will significantly outpoll them when there is no evidence of it on the ground.

    In general elections the Green vote is extremely susceptible to a tactical squeeze. Almost uniquely so, while UKIP/Brexit/Reform are almost the opposite - nihilistic protest votes.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,354

    Jack and Jill have three children. Jack has three and sevenpence in his pocket, Jill has four and eightpence in her purse. How much pocket money can they give to each child?

    I hesitate to insult fellow PBers by revealing the answer to be two and ninepence - you'll have worked that out for ourselves, no doubt. But I'd be interested to know if AI could do it as quickly.

    Well you have seven (what?) and 15 pence, so the solution should be 2 (what) and five pence each with 1 (what) leftover.

    If those were pounds you're talking about, then that's another 33 pence each with a penny left over.

    So I'm going £2.48 each with a penny leftover.
    It was standard grammar to say 3 and 7 as shorthand for 3 shillings and seven pence. You'd expect an omniscient AI to know that.
  • Jack and Jill have three children. Jack has three and sevenpence in his pocket, Jill has four and eightpence in her purse. How much pocket money can they give to each child?

    I hesitate to insult fellow PBers by revealing the answer to be two and ninepence - you'll have worked that out for ourselves, no doubt. But I'd be interested to know if AI could do it as quickly.

    Well you have seven (what?) and 15 pence, so the solution should be 2 (what) and five pence each with 1 (what) leftover.

    If those were pounds you're talking about, then that's another 33 pence each with a penny left over.

    So I'm going £2.48 each with a penny leftover.
    It was standard grammar to say 3 and 7 as shorthand for 3 shillings and seven pence. You'd expect an omniscient AI to know that.
    Maybe it was in the eighteen hundreds, but to be fair the AI is getting trained on this centuries material nowadays, in which case pence go with pounds.

    So £2.38 that they got is the right answer (I did a typo writing £2.48).

    £2.05 each plus 33p each from the extra pound.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,239
    rcs1000 said:

    carnforth said:

    Macron on French TV this evening :
    The war in 🇺🇦 is “existential…”If Russia were to win, life for the French would change. We would no longer have security in Europe. Who can seriously believe that Putin, who has respected no limits, would stop there?”


    https://x.com/peddersophie/status/1768363829472133143

    *slow claps*

    NOW he gets it!
    To be fair, it has now been revealed that his pleading with Putin for peace, prior to the war starting, was at the request of the Ukrainians.
    Considers matters.

    Nah. He doesn’t deserve fair

    Haven't you been reading our newest poster? It turns out that Bridgette is actually a man, something that M Macron was presumably unaware of when he married...
    him. So he deserves our deepest
    sympathies.
    I’m stuck in traffic on the 405

    That deserves sympathy!


  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,243

    Jack and Jill have three children. Jack has three and sevenpence in his pocket, Jill has four and eightpence in her purse. How much pocket money can they give to each child?

    I hesitate to insult fellow PBers by revealing the answer to be two and ninepence - you'll have worked that out for ourselves, no doubt. But I'd be interested to know if AI could do it as quickly.

    Well you have seven (what?) and 15 pence, so the solution should be 2 (what) and five pence each with 1 (what) leftover.

    If those were pounds you're talking about, then that's another 33 pence each with a penny left over.

    So I'm going £2.48 each with a penny leftover.
    It was standard grammar to say 3 and 7 as shorthand for 3 shillings and seven pence. You'd expect an omniscient AI to know that.
    Maybe it was in the eighteen hundreds, but to be fair the AI is getting trained on this centuries material nowadays, in which case pence go with pounds.

    So £2.38 that they got is the right answer (I did a typo writing £2.48).

    £2.05 each plus 33p each from the extra pound.
    It's the sort of problem I could have solved as a nine-year-old in 1960. Maybe AI is suffering from recency bias?
  • DM_AndyDM_Andy Posts: 1,127

    Jack and Jill have three children. Jack has three and sevenpence in his pocket, Jill has four and eightpence in her purse. How much pocket money can they give to each child?

    I hesitate to insult fellow PBers by revealing the answer to be two and ninepence - you'll have worked that out for ourselves, no doubt. But I'd be interested to know if AI could do it as quickly.

    Yeah. It's bizarrely bad at that question. Needed four tries with extra prompting and hints.
    It reminded me of a particularly difficult test I tried of giving GPT3 some King William's Quiz questions in 2022.

    Oddly for the question on "In 1922 how did the Seine cause 86 people to drown?" GPT3 came up with what seems like a completely made up story of a river paddle steamer full of Parisian daytrippers colliding with a tugboat with massive loss of life. Just now I did the same question to GPT4 to get the same sort of answer, just with more detail, but still completely wrong.

  • Jack and Jill have three children. Jack has three and sevenpence in his pocket, Jill has four and eightpence in her purse. How much pocket money can they give to each child?

    I hesitate to insult fellow PBers by revealing the answer to be two and ninepence - you'll have worked that out for ourselves, no doubt. But I'd be interested to know if AI could do it as quickly.

    Well you have seven (what?) and 15 pence, so the solution should be 2 (what) and five pence each with 1 (what) leftover.

    If those were pounds you're talking about, then that's another 33 pence each with a penny left over.

    So I'm going £2.48 each with a penny leftover.
    It was standard grammar to say 3 and 7 as shorthand for 3 shillings and seven pence. You'd expect an omniscient AI to know that.
    Maybe it was in the eighteen hundreds, but to be fair the AI is getting trained on this centuries material nowadays, in which case pence go with pounds.

    So £2.38 that they got is the right answer (I did a typo writing £2.48).

    £2.05 each plus 33p each from the extra pound.
    It's the sort of problem I could have solved as a nine-year-old in 1960. Maybe AI is suffering from recency bias?
    Is it bias to be grounded in this century, unless specified otherwise?

    Pence have gone with pounds for my entire lifetime, let alone GPT's lifetime.
  • DonkeysDonkeys Posts: 723
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    rcs1000 said:

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    Donkeys said:

    Leon said:

    Donkeys said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Truman said:

    Leon said:

    Truman said:

    Leon said:

    So my take on climate change is this: everywhere in the world is going to get hotter and hotter… apart from the UK which will, uniquely, contrive to get greyer and rainier and even more dismal

    Oh well. At least it should discourage the boat people

    I agree. Our winters are getting warmer but wetter and more miserable and our summers warmer but cloudier. Still one of the most dismal climates for its latitude in the world is Lima which despite being in the Tropics manages to be under constant grey 8 months of the year.
    Indeed. Lima manages to be climatically way more miserable than anywhere in the UK, which is quite a feat given its location. It always annoys me when I read history books or guide books that reference Lima and don’t mention this fairly notable affliction

    Why the fuck did the Spanish build their capital there? The incans very sensibly chose sunny and refreshing Cusco

    Possibly the worst “place” I have ever been - in terms of climate meeting geography - is the desert north of Lima. The Sechura. It’s a dismal grey sand desert, strewn with trash, and cursed with that same cruel and depressing climate - chilly grey cloud like Glasgow but without the chirpy locals

    Also shit food and a history of urgent child sacrifice

    One of the worst drives of my life was in the desert north of lima stuck with a mad driver driving like a maniac on a narrow road and swerving at the last minute to avoid oncoming traffic. And yes its bleak and the locals are miserable.
    I took this photo on a beach in deserty northern Peru as it seemed to summarise the whole place



    However the little colonial towns do have a certain charm, under those sparkling blue skies



    Very Quantum of Solace.
    Imagine living on that street in the second photo. Wake up, put your head out of the door, hang yourself
    Most people in the world live somewhere like that. It's Median Street, Planet Earth, 2024.
    Most people have never stayed in a hotel, owned a car, held a year's income in a bank account, etc.
    Yet suicide is more frequent in the USA and Canada than it is in Latin America.
    And the curious thing: that's with "Latin America" defined as Hispanophone and Lusophone America. There is a single country in South America that tops USA and Canada for self-topping: Guyana.
    As someone who constantly travels the world, I can (happily) reassure you that most people do NOT live on a street similar to that street in the 2nd photo: ie on a dirt road, in a concrete shack, in a shitty town in the middle of an awful foggy desert. Northern Peru, as we have established, is unusually hideous

    The global median person probably lives in a concrete apartment in a large city in India or China. Not beautiful, but not terrible
    Hotels and resorts aren't the world.
    Two thirds of the population of India, the world's most populous country, live outside of cities and so presumably not in apartments.
    That photo could easily be from many places in Brazil (even 30 miles from the capital) or Uganda (ditto).
    China, yes, mostly apartments - only a third live outside of cities.
    Depends how you define median. And cities. I would say they're in a shitty small town somewhere in the third world. Smartphones being the hard drug that's available.
    Well, if you think Uganda (GDP per capita $883) is anything like average for the world, you're insane.

    There are 8 billion people on Planet Earth (give or take).

    About 1.4bn of them are North America or Europe. They're pretty well off, on average. About 1.3bn are in China. They are dramatically richer than they were 20 years ago. And that's true of most of Asia.

    Median incomes and lifestyles have increased extraordinarily in the last 20 years. I mean some places, like rural Russia, have gone backwards. But most places are dramatically richer than they were.
    Okay. Uganda is well below average, so yes. Brazil isn't far below it, though.

    I've been hunting for the world's median person. Listing countries by PPPpc and then going down the list until half the world's population is accounted for, a disgustingly quick and dirty method that has all sorts of things wrong with it, gives the following 7 countries within 10 of the median and with population >10 million:

    In Asia...........Indonesia, Sri Lanka
    In America.....Brazil, Colombia, Peru
    In Africa........Algeria, South Africa

    China is above, India below, by this Q&D metric.
  • DonkeysDonkeys Posts: 723
    edited March 15
    Donkeys said:

    rcs1000 said:

    .

    Donkeys said:

    Leon said:

    Donkeys said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Truman said:

    Leon said:

    Truman said:

    Leon said:

    So my take on climate change is this: everywhere in the world is going to get hotter and hotter… apart from the UK which will, uniquely, contrive to get greyer and rainier and even more dismal

    Oh well. At least it should discourage the boat people

    I agree. Our winters are getting warmer but wetter and more miserable and our summers warmer but cloudier. Still one of the most dismal climates for its latitude in the world is Lima which despite being in the Tropics manages to be under constant grey 8 months of the year.
    Indeed. Lima manages to be climatically way more miserable than anywhere in the UK, which is quite a feat given its location. It always annoys me when I read history books or guide books that reference Lima and don’t mention this fairly notable affliction

    Why the fuck did the Spanish build their capital there? The incans very sensibly chose sunny and refreshing Cusco

    Possibly the worst “place” I have ever been - in terms of climate meeting geography - is the desert north of Lima. The Sechura. It’s a dismal grey sand desert, strewn with trash, and cursed with that same cruel and depressing climate - chilly grey cloud like Glasgow but without the chirpy locals

    Also shit food and a history of urgent child sacrifice

    One of the worst drives of my life was in the desert north of lima stuck with a mad driver driving like a maniac on a narrow road and swerving at the last minute to avoid oncoming traffic. And yes its bleak and the locals are miserable.
    I took this photo on a beach in deserty northern Peru as it seemed to summarise the whole place



    However the little colonial towns do have a certain charm, under those sparkling blue skies



    Very Quantum of Solace.
    Imagine living on that street in the second photo. Wake up, put your head out of the door, hang yourself
    Most people in the world live somewhere like that. It's Median Street, Planet Earth, 2024.
    Most people have never stayed in a hotel, owned a car, held a year's income in a bank account, etc.
    Yet suicide is more frequent in the USA and Canada than it is in Latin America.
    And the curious thing: that's with "Latin America" defined as Hispanophone and Lusophone America. There is a single country in South America that tops USA and Canada for self-topping: Guyana.
    As someone who constantly travels the world, I can (happily) reassure you that most people do NOT live on a street similar to that street in the 2nd photo: ie on a dirt road, in a concrete shack, in a shitty town in the middle of an awful foggy desert. Northern Peru, as we have established, is unusually hideous

    The global median person probably lives in a concrete apartment in a large city in India or China. Not beautiful, but not terrible
    Hotels and resorts aren't the world.
    Two thirds of the population of India, the world's most populous country, live outside of cities and so presumably not in apartments.
    That photo could easily be from many places in Brazil (even 30 miles from the capital) or Uganda (ditto).
    China, yes, mostly apartments - only a third live outside of cities.
    Depends how you define median. And cities. I would say they're in a shitty small town somewhere in the third world. Smartphones being the hard drug that's available.
    Well, if you think Uganda (GDP per capita $883) is anything like average for the world, you're insane.

    There are 8 billion people on Planet Earth (give or take).

    About 1.4bn of them are North America or Europe. They're pretty well off, on average. About 1.3bn are in China. They are dramatically richer than they were 20 years ago. And that's true of most of Asia.

    Median incomes and lifestyles have increased extraordinarily in the last 20 years. I mean some places, like rural Russia, have gone backwards. But most places are dramatically richer than they were.
    Okay. Uganda is well below average, so yes. Brazil isn't far below it, though.

    I've been hunting for the world's median person. Listing countries by PPPpc and then going down the list until half the world's population is accounted for, a disgustingly quick and dirty method that has all sorts of things wrong with it, gives the following 7 countries within 10 of the median and with population >10 million:

    In Asia...........Indonesia, Sri Lanka
    In America.....Brazil, Colombia, Peru
    In Africa........Algeria, South Africa

    China is above, India below, by this Q&D metric.
    The 2 of the 7 with closest to the median murder rate are:

    Algeria, Sri Lanka

    Our person may be in a small town in one of those.
    Where would you locate him or her?
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559

    Jack and Jill have three children. Jack has three and sevenpence in his pocket, Jill has four and eightpence in her purse. How much pocket money can they give to each child?

    I hesitate to insult fellow PBers by revealing the answer to be two and ninepence - you'll have worked that out for ourselves, no doubt. But I'd be interested to know if AI could do it as quickly.

    Well you have seven (what?) and 15 pence, so the solution should be 2 (what) and five pence each with 1 (what) leftover.

    If those were pounds you're talking about, then that's another 33 pence each with a penny left over.

    So I'm going £2.48 each with a penny leftover.
    It was standard grammar to say 3 and 7 as shorthand for 3 shillings and seven pence. You'd expect an omniscient AI to know that.
    Maybe it was in the eighteen hundreds, but to be fair the AI is getting trained on this centuries material nowadays, in which case pence go with pounds.

    So £2.38 that they got is the right answer (I did a typo writing £2.48).

    £2.05 each plus 33p each from the extra pound.
    It's the sort of problem I could have solved as a nine-year-old in 1960. Maybe AI is suffering from recency bias?
    Is it bias to be grounded in this century, unless specified otherwise?

    Pence have gone with pounds for my entire lifetime, let alone GPT's lifetime.
    Perhaps ask the Great Bot, how much in farthings is Mike Pence worth today as PB betting proposition?
  • Sorry to be a pain but could I enquire as to why @AverageNinja was banned?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,129

    rcs1000 said:

    carnforth said:

    Macron on French TV this evening :
    The war in 🇺🇦 is “existential…”If Russia were to win, life for the French would change. We would no longer have security in Europe. Who can seriously believe that Putin, who has respected no limits, would stop there?”


    https://x.com/peddersophie/status/1768363829472133143

    *slow claps*

    NOW he gets it!
    To be fair, it has now been revealed that his pleading with Putin for peace, prior to the war starting, was at the request of the Ukrainians.
    Considers matters.

    Nah. He doesn’t deserve fair

    Haven't you been reading our newest poster? It turns out that Bridgette is actually a man, something that M Macron was presumably unaware of when he married...
    him. So he deserves our deepest
    sympathies.
    I’m stuck in traffic on the 405

    That deserves sympathy!


    In the last two days, the traffic in LA has gone back to pre-pandemic levels. It's hell.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,494
    edited March 15

    OOPS

    Looks like I got it wrong on 2 May.

    I think Rishi has got it wrong too to let it go on further .

    I’m not convinced by this, “so called” confirmation. It wasn’t a planned announcement. He didn’t plan to say it or else he wouldn’t have dodged the question twenty times first. It seems an odd way to break the decision, pressed more than several times in a regional interview, and then slipping it out in frustration…

    I’m also highly suspicious how the media then leapt on it, without thinking the same as what I’m thinking. He will be asked to clarify and confirm by whoever’s turn it is in the Westminster press pool tomorrow, so let’s see how unequivocal Sunak, and the no 10 briefing is.

    We will at least know tomorrow either way, if they don’t row back on media interesting it’s not May second, then probably it’s not May 2nd. However if they do row back on it to the will he won’t he position again, that will mean it’s definitely May 2nd.

    Let’s see what Friday brings 😉
  • OOPS

    Looks like I got it wrong on 2 May.

    I think Rishi has got it wrong too to let it go on further .

    I’m not convinced by this, “so called” confirmation. It wasn’t a planned announcement. He didn’t plan to say it or else he wouldn’t have dodged the question twenty times first. It seems an odd way to break the decision, pressed more than several times in a regional interview, and then slipping it out in frustration…

    I’m also highly suspicious how the media then leapt on it, without thinking the same as what I’m thinking. He will be asked to clarify and confirm by whoever’s turn it is in the Westminster press pool tomorrow, so let’s see how unequivocal Sunak, and the briefing from The Mouth of Sauron is.

    Let’s see what Friday brings 😉
    Have I missed something? What has Sunak said?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,129
    edited March 15
    Donkeys said:

    rcs1000 said:

    .

    Donkeys said:

    Leon said:

    Donkeys said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Truman said:

    Leon said:

    Truman said:

    Leon said:

    So my take on climate change is this: everywhere in the world is going to get hotter and hotter… apart from the UK which will, uniquely, contrive to get greyer and rainier and even more dismal

    Oh well. At least it should discourage the boat people

    I agree. Our winters are getting warmer but wetter and more miserable and our summers warmer but cloudier. Still one of the most dismal climates for its latitude in the world is Lima which despite being in the Tropics manages to be under constant grey 8 months of the year.
    Indeed. Lima manages to be climatically way more miserable than anywhere in the UK, which is quite a feat given its location. It always annoys me when I read history books or guide books that reference Lima and don’t mention this fairly notable affliction

    Why the fuck did the Spanish build their capital there? The incans very sensibly chose sunny and refreshing Cusco

    Possibly the worst “place” I have ever been - in terms of climate meeting geography - is the desert north of Lima. The Sechura. It’s a dismal grey sand desert, strewn with trash, and cursed with that same cruel and depressing climate - chilly grey cloud like Glasgow but without the chirpy locals

    Also shit food and a history of urgent child sacrifice

    One of the worst drives of my life was in the desert north of lima stuck with a mad driver driving like a maniac on a narrow road and swerving at the last minute to avoid oncoming traffic. And yes its bleak and the locals are miserable.
    I took this photo on a beach in deserty northern Peru as it seemed to summarise the whole place



    However the little colonial towns do have a certain charm, under those sparkling blue skies



    Very Quantum of Solace.
    Imagine living on that street in the second photo. Wake up, put your head out of the door, hang yourself
    Most people in the world live somewhere like that. It's Median Street, Planet Earth, 2024.
    Most people have never stayed in a hotel, owned a car, held a year's income in a bank account, etc.
    Yet suicide is more frequent in the USA and Canada than it is in Latin America.
    And the curious thing: that's with "Latin America" defined as Hispanophone and Lusophone America. There is a single country in South America that tops USA and Canada for self-topping: Guyana.
    As someone who constantly travels the world, I can (happily) reassure you that most people do NOT live on a street similar to that street in the 2nd photo: ie on a dirt road, in a concrete shack, in a shitty town in the middle of an awful foggy desert. Northern Peru, as we have established, is unusually hideous

    The global median person probably lives in a concrete apartment in a large city in India or China. Not beautiful, but not terrible
    Hotels and resorts aren't the world.
    Two thirds of the population of India, the world's most populous country, live outside of cities and so presumably not in apartments.
    That photo could easily be from many places in Brazil (even 30 miles from the capital) or Uganda (ditto).
    China, yes, mostly apartments - only a third live outside of cities.
    Depends how you define median. And cities. I would say they're in a shitty small town somewhere in the third world. Smartphones being the hard drug that's available.
    Well, if you think Uganda (GDP per capita $883) is anything like average for the world, you're insane.

    There are 8 billion people on Planet Earth (give or take).

    About 1.4bn of them are North America or Europe. They're pretty well off, on average. About 1.3bn are in China. They are dramatically richer than they were 20 years ago. And that's true of most of Asia.

    Median incomes and lifestyles have increased extraordinarily in the last 20 years. I mean some places, like rural Russia, have gone backwards. But most places are dramatically richer than they were.
    Okay. Uganda is well below average, so yes. Brazil isn't far below it, though.

    I've been hunting for the world's median person. Listing countries by PPPpc and then going down the list until half the world's population is accounted for, a disgustingly quick and dirty method that has all sorts of things wrong with it, gives the following 7 countries within 10 of the median and with population >10 million:

    In Asia...........Indonesia, Sri Lanka
    In America.....Brazil, Colombia, Peru
    In Africa........Algeria, South Africa

    China is above, India below, by this Q&D metric.
    GDP per capita will tend to exaggerate the personal incomes of some resource countries. Take Peru: in large part thanks to a massive LNG discovery, its GDP has quadrupled in the last twenty years from $60bn to $240bn.

    Yet I'll bet you that relatively little of that has fed through to incomes.

    By contrast, look at Bangladesh. Two decades ago, incomes were less than $2,000 per year, and incomes were half those of Pakistan. Famines were a regular occurance, as were natural disasters that would hammer them.

    And now it's a lot richer than Pakistan on a per capita basis, and may well have overtaken India.

    This podcast - https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2013/05/14/184019151/episode-458-bangladeshs-t-shirt-economy - is ten years old, but gives you a really good feel for how Bangladesh has managed to do it. It also gives you a really good feel for how people in these countries are thriving.

    Edit to add: everyone, particularly opponents of globalisation, should listen to the podcast. It's absolutely fascinating.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,239
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    Truman said:

    Leon said:

    So my take on climate change is this: everywhere in the world is going to get hotter and hotter… apart from the UK which will, uniquely, contrive to get greyer and rainier and even more dismal

    Oh well. At least it should discourage the boat people

    I agree. Our winters are getting warmer but wetter and more miserable and our summers warmer but cloudier. Still one of the most dismal climates for its latitude in the world is Lima which despite being in the Tropics manages to be under constant grey 8 months of the year.
    Indeed. Lima manages to be climatically way more miserable than anywhere in the UK, which is quite a feat given its location. It always annoys me when I read history books or guide books that reference Lima and don’t mention this fairly notable affliction

    Why the fuck did the Spanish build their capital there? The incans very sensibly chose sunny and refreshing Cusco

    Possibly the worst “place” I have ever been - in terms of climate meeting geography - is the desert north of Lima. The Sechura. It’s a dismal grey sand desert, strewn with trash, and cursed with that same cruel and depressing climate - chilly grey cloud like Glasgow but without the chirpy locals

    Also shit food and a history of urgent child sacrifice

    One of the worst drives of my life was in the desert north of lima stuck with a mad driver driving like a maniac on a narrow road and swerving at the last minute to avoid oncoming traffic. And yes its bleak and the locals are miserable.
    I took this photo on a beach in deserty northern Peru as it seemed to summarise the whole place



    However the little colonial towns do have a certain charm, under those sparkling blue skies



    Very Quantum of Solace.
    Imagine living on that street in the second photo. Wake up, put your head out of the door, hang yourself
    Most people in the world live somewhere like that. It's Median Street, Planet Earth, 2024.
    Most people have never stayed in a hotel, owned a car, held a year's income in a bank account, etc.
    Yet suicide is more frequent in the USA and Canada than it is in Latin America.
    And the curious thing: that's with "Latin America" defined as Hispanophone and Lusophone America. There is a single country in South America that tops USA and Canada for self-topping: Guyana.
    As someone who constantly travels the world, I can (happily) reassure you that most people do NOT live on a street similar to that street in the 2nd photo: ie on a dirt road, in a concrete shack, in a shitty town in the middle of an awful foggy desert. Northern Peru, as we have established, is unusually hideous

    The global median person probably lives in a concrete apartment in a large city in India or China. Not beautiful, but not terrible
    Hotels and resorts aren't the world.
    Two thirds of the population of India, the world's most populous country, live outside of cities and so presumably not in apartments.
    That photo could easily be from many places in Brazil (even 30 miles from the capital) or Uganda (ditto).
    China, yes, mostly apartments - only a third live outside of cities.
    Depends how you define median. And cities. I would say they're in a shitty small town somewhere in the third world. Smartphones being the hard drug that's available.
    Well, if you think Uganda (GDP per capita $883) is anything like average for the world, you're insane.

    There are 8 billion people on Planet Earth (give or take).

    About 1.4bn of them are North America or Europe. They're pretty well off, on average. About 1.3bn are in China. They are dramatically richer than they were 20 years ago. And that's true of most of Asia.

    Median incomes and lifestyles have increased extraordinarily in the last 20 years. I mean some places, like rural Russia, have gone backwards. But most places are dramatically richer than they were.
    Okay. Uganda is well below average, so yes. Brazil isn't far below it, though.

    I've been hunting for the world's median person. Listing countries by PPPpc and then going down the list until half the world's population is accounted for, a disgustingly quick and dirty method that has all sorts of things wrong with it, gives the following 7 countries within 10 of the median and with population >10 million:

    In Asia...........Indonesia, Sri Lanka
    In America.....Brazil, Colombia, Peru
    In Africa........Algeria, South Africa

    China is above, India below, by this Q&D metric.
    The 2 of the 7 with closest to the median murder rate are:

    Algeria, Sri Lanka

    Our person may be in a small town in one of those.
    Where would you locate him or her?
    Well I I’ve been to all of those countries - except Algeria. Can anyone else on here say that?

    Indeed I am right now in a fairly average coastal city in Colombia

    And I can report that none of these countries has single storey concrete shacks by dirt roads as a median living experience for their citizens

    So I’m right and you’re wrong
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,239
    rcs1000 said:

    Donkeys said:

    rcs1000 said:

    .

    Donkeys said:

    Leon said:

    Donkeys said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Truman said:

    Leon said:

    Truman said:

    Leon said:

    So my take on climate change is this: everywhere in the world is going to get hotter and hotter… apart from the UK which will, uniquely, contrive to get greyer and rainier and even more dismal

    Oh well. At least it should discourage the boat people

    I agree. Our winters are getting warmer but wetter and more miserable and our summers warmer but cloudier. Still one of the most dismal climates for its latitude in the world is Lima which despite being in the Tropics manages to be under constant grey 8 months of the year.
    Indeed. Lima manages to be climatically way more miserable than anywhere in the UK, which is quite a feat given its location. It always annoys me when I read history books or guide books that reference Lima and don’t mention this fairly notable affliction

    Why the fuck did the Spanish build their capital there? The incans very sensibly chose sunny and refreshing Cusco

    Possibly the worst “place” I have ever been - in terms of climate meeting geography - is the desert north of Lima. The Sechura. It’s a dismal grey sand desert, strewn with trash, and cursed with that same cruel and depressing climate - chilly grey cloud like Glasgow but without the chirpy locals

    Also shit food and a history of urgent child sacrifice

    One of the worst drives of my life was in the desert north of lima stuck with a mad driver driving like a maniac on a narrow road and swerving at the last minute to avoid oncoming traffic. And yes its bleak and the locals are miserable.
    I took this photo on a beach in deserty northern Peru as it seemed to summarise the whole place



    However the little colonial towns do have a certain charm, under those sparkling blue skies



    Very Quantum of Solace.
    Imagine living on that street in the second photo. Wake up, put your head out of the door, hang yourself
    Most people in the world live somewhere like that. It's Median Street, Planet Earth, 2024.
    Most people have never stayed in a hotel, owned a car, held a year's income in a bank account, etc.
    Yet suicide is more frequent in the USA and Canada than it is in Latin America.
    And the curious thing: that's with "Latin America" defined as Hispanophone and Lusophone America. There is a single country in South America that tops USA and Canada for self-topping: Guyana.
    As someone who constantly travels the world, I can (happily) reassure you that most people do NOT live on a street similar to that street in the 2nd photo: ie on a dirt road, in a concrete shack, in a shitty town in the middle of an awful foggy desert. Northern Peru, as we have established, is unusually hideous

    The global median person probably lives in a concrete apartment in a large city in India or China. Not beautiful, but not terrible
    Hotels and resorts aren't the world.
    Two thirds of the population of India, the world's most populous country, live outside of cities and so presumably not in apartments.
    That photo could easily be from many places in Brazil (even 30 miles from the capital) or Uganda (ditto).
    China, yes, mostly apartments - only a third live outside of cities.
    Depends how you define median. And cities. I would say they're in a shitty small town somewhere in the third world. Smartphones being the hard drug that's available.
    Well, if you think Uganda (GDP per capita $883) is anything like average for the world, you're insane.

    There are 8 billion people on Planet Earth (give or take).

    About 1.4bn of them are North America or Europe. They're pretty well off, on average. About 1.3bn are in China. They are dramatically richer than they were 20 years ago. And that's true of most of Asia.

    Median incomes and lifestyles have increased extraordinarily in the last 20 years. I mean some places, like rural Russia, have gone backwards. But most places are dramatically richer than they were.
    Okay. Uganda is well below average, so yes. Brazil isn't far below it, though.

    I've been hunting for the world's median person. Listing countries by PPPpc and then going down the list until half the world's population is accounted for, a disgustingly quick and dirty method that has all sorts of things wrong with it, gives the following 7 countries within 10 of the median and with population >10 million:

    In Asia...........Indonesia, Sri Lanka
    In America.....Brazil, Colombia, Peru
    In Africa........Algeria, South Africa

    China is above, India below, by this Q&D metric.
    GDP per capita will tend to exaggerate the personal incomes of some resource countries. Take Peru: in large part thanks to a massive LNG discovery, its GDP has quadrupled in the last twenty years from $60bn to $240bn.

    Yet I'll bet you that relatively little of that has fed through to incomes.

    By contrast, look at Bangladesh. Two decades ago, incomes were less than $2,000 per year, and incomes were half those of Pakistan. Famines were a regular occurance, as were natural disasters that would hammer them.

    And now it's a lot richer than Pakistan on a per capita basis, and may well have overtaken India.

    This podcast - https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2013/05/14/184019151/episode-458-bangladeshs-t-shirt-economy - is ten years old, but gives you a really good feel for how Bangladesh has managed to do it. It also gives you a really good feel for how people in these countries are thriving.

    Edit to add: everyone, particularly opponents of globalisation, should listen to the podcast. It's absolutely fascinating.

    Bangladesh is a remarkable and unsung success story
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,239
    My guess is 98.3% of humanity couldn’t solve that imperial currency puzzle, at least not without some research into LSD, so in that respect AI is very very human
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,239
    rcs1000 said:

    Donkeys said:

    rcs1000 said:

    .

    Donkeys said:

    Leon said:

    Donkeys said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Truman said:

    Leon said:

    Truman said:

    Leon said:

    So my take on climate change is this: everywhere in the world is going to get hotter and hotter… apart from the UK which will, uniquely, contrive to get greyer and rainier and even more dismal

    Oh well. At least it should discourage the boat people

    I agree. Our winters are getting warmer but wetter and more miserable and our summers warmer but cloudier. Still one of the most dismal climates for its latitude in the world is Lima which despite being in the Tropics manages to be under constant grey 8 months of the year.
    Indeed. Lima manages to be climatically way more miserable than anywhere in the UK, which is quite a feat given its location. It always annoys me when I read history books or guide books that reference Lima and don’t mention this fairly notable affliction

    Why the fuck did the Spanish build their capital there? The incans very sensibly chose sunny and refreshing Cusco

    Possibly the worst “place” I have ever been - in terms of climate meeting geography - is the desert north of Lima. The Sechura. It’s a dismal grey sand desert, strewn with trash, and cursed with that same cruel and depressing climate - chilly grey cloud like Glasgow but without the chirpy locals

    Also shit food and a history of urgent child sacrifice

    One of the worst drives of my life was in the desert north of lima stuck with a mad driver driving like a maniac on a narrow road and swerving at the last minute to avoid oncoming traffic. And yes its bleak and the locals are miserable.
    I took this photo on a beach in deserty northern Peru as it seemed to summarise the whole place



    However the little colonial towns do have a certain charm, under those sparkling blue skies



    Very Quantum of Solace.
    Imagine living on that street in the second photo. Wake up, put your head out of the door, hang yourself
    Most people in the world live somewhere like that. It's Median Street, Planet Earth, 2024.
    Most people have never stayed in a hotel, owned a car, held a year's income in a bank account, etc.
    Yet suicide is more frequent in the USA and Canada than it is in Latin America.
    And the curious thing: that's with "Latin America" defined as Hispanophone and Lusophone America. There is a single country in South America that tops USA and Canada for self-topping: Guyana.
    As someone who constantly travels the world, I can (happily) reassure you that most people do NOT live on a street similar to that street in the 2nd photo: ie on a dirt road, in a concrete shack, in a shitty town in the middle of an awful foggy desert. Northern Peru, as we have established, is unusually hideous

    The global median person probably lives in a concrete apartment in a large city in India or China. Not beautiful, but not terrible
    Hotels and resorts aren't the world.
    Two thirds of the population of India, the world's most populous country, live outside of cities and so presumably not in apartments.
    That photo could easily be from many places in Brazil (even 30 miles from the capital) or Uganda (ditto).
    China, yes, mostly apartments - only a third live outside of cities.
    Depends how you define median. And cities. I would say they're in a shitty small town somewhere in the third world. Smartphones being the hard drug that's available.
    Well, if you think Uganda (GDP per capita $883) is anything like average for the world, you're insane.

    There are 8 billion people on Planet Earth (give or take).

    About 1.4bn of them are North America or Europe. They're pretty well off, on average. About 1.3bn are in China. They are dramatically richer than they were 20 years ago. And that's true of most of Asia.

    Median incomes and lifestyles have increased extraordinarily in the last 20 years. I mean some places, like rural Russia, have gone backwards. But most places are dramatically richer than they were.
    Okay. Uganda is well below average, so yes. Brazil isn't far below it, though.

    I've been hunting for the world's median person. Listing countries by PPPpc and then going down the list until half the world's population is accounted for, a disgustingly quick and dirty method that has all sorts of things wrong with it, gives the following 7 countries within 10 of the median and with population >10 million:

    In Asia...........Indonesia, Sri Lanka
    In America.....Brazil, Colombia, Peru
    In Africa........Algeria, South Africa

    China is above, India below, by this Q&D metric.
    GDP per capita will tend to exaggerate the personal incomes of some resource countries. Take Peru: in large part thanks to a massive LNG discovery, its GDP has quadrupled in the last twenty years from $60bn to $240bn.

    Yet I'll bet you that relatively little of that has fed through to incomes.

    By contrast, look at Bangladesh. Two decades ago, incomes were less than $2,000 per year, and incomes were half those of Pakistan. Famines were a regular occurance, as were natural disasters that would hammer them.

    And now it's a lot richer than Pakistan on a per capita basis, and may well have overtaken India.

    This podcast - https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2013/05/14/184019151/episode-458-bangladeshs-t-shirt-economy - is ten years old, but gives you a really good feel for how Bangladesh has managed to do it. It also gives you a really good feel for how people in these countries are thriving.

    Edit to add: everyone, particularly opponents of globalisation, should listen to the podcast. It's absolutely fascinating.
    Grameen was an extraordinary invention
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,494

    OOPS

    Looks like I got it wrong on 2 May.

    I think Rishi has got it wrong too to let it go on further .

    I’m not convinced by this, “so called” confirmation. It wasn’t a planned announcement. He didn’t plan to say it or else he wouldn’t have dodged the question twenty times first. It seems an odd way to break the decision, pressed more than several times in a regional interview, and then slipping it out in frustration…

    I’m also highly suspicious how the media then leapt on it, without thinking the same as what I’m thinking. He will be asked to clarify and confirm by whoever’s turn it is in the Westminster press pool tomorrow, so let’s see how unequivocal Sunak, and the briefing from The Mouth of Sauron is.

    Let’s see what Friday brings 😉
    Have I missed something? What has Sunak said?
    In a milking shed in the south West Country, Sunak said he won’t call an election until horsecorrectbattery4 is unbanned. Though at the end of the interview conceded, if there’s a spam trap, there’s likely a very naughty word trap too, and if he was a betting man he would have a good punt of the poster most likely to spring it.

    Nice to have friends in high places? Make the most of it, he’s probably only got a matter of weeks left in the job.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,239
    I’ve just been to my local supermarket. It’s a testament to globalisation

    Now to be fair I am in an affluent seaside neighborhood. Nonetheless this is a pretty average Colombian city. It’s not famous like Cartagena (so no tourist income), it’s not important like bogota. It’s not big like Medellin

    It’s a city of 500,000 people quite near the troubled Venezuelan border in a country with a per capita income of $7000

    At first glance the supermarket could easily be in Spain or Croatia. Or a richer bit of wales. The cheese selection is better than most supermarkets in America. The wine is from all over. - but lots of chile and Argentinian. The veg and fruit selection is great and fresh. The bread is good. The hard liquor is fine - bought Bombay sapphire but could have bought Tanqueray or Hendricks

    Wide selection of European olive oils. Great chocolates. Obviously impressive array of coffees ground, beans, raw, all forms. About ten different balsamic vinegars. Dijon mustard. Loads of beers

    This - I repeat - is a nice supermarket in a nice but not outrageously wealthy neighborhood in an average and quite remote Colombian city

    Globalisation and capitalism are phenomenal things
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,129
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Meta's chief AI wallah tells Musk he is wrong. Sorry @Leon

    Yann LeCun

    @ylecun
    ·
    4h
    No.
    If it were the case, we would have AI systems that could teach themselves to drive a car in 20 hours of practice, like any 17 year-old.

    But we still don't have fully autonomous, reliable self-driving, even though we (you) have millions of hours of *labeled* training data.

    https://twitter.com/ylecun/status/1768330345059872931

    *Mic drop*

    That should end the debate. Well said.
    LeCun is hilariously clueless
    He's right on this.

    A 17 year old whose prefrontal cortex isn't even fully developed can learn to drive with 20 hours of training.

    AI can't learn to drive with millions of hours of training.

    The idea AI is smarter than humans is facetious bullshit. It might know more, but its not smarter.
    Current-generation AIs don't even know what year it is. Facts are not exactly their strong point. But they haven't been designed to do so.
    AI won't be smart until it can do stuff it hasn't been designed to do, simply because it wants to do it, without anyone prompting it to do so.

    Like any toddler can.
    Er, GPT3 did exactly that. No one taught it to draw. No one realised it had that capability. Then someone asked it to draw - and it did

    “AI is just an evolution of stuff we already have, it’s not some great new thing.”

    “The internet is exactly like a vegetable spiralizer”


    “I can tell you for a fact, AI will provide some efficiency gains and that will be the end of it.”
    Ummm:

    "Er, GPT3 did exactly that. No one taught it to draw. No one realised it had that capability. Then someone asked it to draw - and it did "

    I asked ChatGPT (version 4) to assess the veracity of that claim and it said:

    The statement you're referring to seems to mix up a few details about AI development and capabilities. GPT-3, developed by OpenAI, is a language model known for its ability to understand and generate human-like text based on the input it receives. It was not designed with the capability to create visual art or drawings; its strengths lie in text generation, comprehension, translation, and other language-based tasks.

    The confusion might come from the development of other AI models that are capable of generating images, such as DALL·E (also developed by OpenAI), which was specifically designed to create images from textual descriptions. Unlike GPT-3, DALL·E was intentionally developed and trained to translate text descriptions into visual content. So, when DALL·E is asked to draw something based on a text prompt, it can generate images that match the prompt to a remarkable degree of creativity and accuracy.

    To summarize, the statement is not accurate regarding GPT-3, as GPT-3's capabilities are centered around text. The ability to generate drawings or images from text descriptions relates to other AI models like DALL·E, which were specifically designed for that purpose.
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,058

    OOPS

    Looks like I got it wrong on 2 May.

    I think Rishi has got it wrong too to let it go on further .

    I’m not convinced by this, “so called” confirmation. It wasn’t a planned announcement. He didn’t plan to say it or else he wouldn’t have dodged the question twenty times first. It seems an odd way to break the decision, pressed more than several times in a regional interview, and then slipping it out in frustration…

    I’m also highly suspicious how the media then leapt on it, without thinking the same as what I’m thinking. He will be asked to clarify and confirm by whoever’s turn it is in the Westminster press pool tomorrow, so let’s see how unequivocal Sunak, and the briefing from The Mouth of Sauron is.

    Let’s see what Friday brings 😉
    Have I missed something? What has Sunak said?
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/mar/14/rishi-sunak-rules-out-general-election-may-local-elections
  • DonkeysDonkeys Posts: 723
    edited March 15
    Leon said:

    I’ve just been to my local supermarket. It’s a testament to globalisation

    Now to be fair I am in an affluent seaside neighborhood. Nonetheless this is a pretty average Colombian city. It’s not famous like Cartagena (so no tourist income), it’s not important like bogota. It’s not big like Medellin

    It’s a city of 500,000 people quite near the troubled Venezuelan border in a country with a per capita income of $7000

    At first glance the supermarket could easily be in Spain or Croatia. Or a richer bit of wales. The cheese selection is better than most supermarkets in America. The wine is from all over. - but lots of chile and Argentinian. The veg and fruit selection is great and fresh. The bread is good. The hard liquor is fine - bought Bombay sapphire but could have bought Tanqueray or Hendricks

    Wide selection of European olive oils. Great chocolates. Obviously impressive array of coffees ground, beans, raw, all forms. About ten different balsamic vinegars. Dijon mustard. Loads of beers

    This - I repeat - is a nice supermarket in a nice but not outrageously wealthy neighborhood in an average and quite remote Colombian city

    Globalisation and capitalism are phenomenal things

    Have you spoken with any Colombians about the Colombian caste system yet?
    There are 6 levels, with number 6 at the top. That supermarket sounds like 4, possibly 5.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_class_in_Colombia
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,239
    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Meta's chief AI wallah tells Musk he is wrong. Sorry @Leon

    Yann LeCun

    @ylecun
    ·
    4h
    No.
    If it were the case, we would have AI systems that could teach themselves to drive a car in 20 hours of practice, like any 17 year-old.

    But we still don't have fully autonomous, reliable self-driving, even though we (you) have millions of hours of *labeled* training data.

    https://twitter.com/ylecun/status/1768330345059872931

    *Mic drop*

    That should end the debate. Well said.
    LeCun is hilariously clueless
    He's right on this.

    A 17 year old whose prefrontal cortex isn't even fully developed can learn to drive with 20 hours of training.

    AI can't learn to drive with millions of hours of training.

    The idea AI is smarter than humans is facetious bullshit. It might know more, but its not smarter.
    Current-generation AIs don't even know what year it is. Facts are not exactly their strong point. But they haven't been designed to do so.
    AI won't be smart until it can do stuff it hasn't been designed to do, simply because it wants to do it, without anyone prompting it to do so.

    Like any toddler can.
    Er, GPT3 did exactly that. No one taught it to draw. No one realised it had that capability. Then someone asked it to draw - and it did

    “AI is just an evolution of stuff we already have, it’s not some great new thing.”

    “The internet is exactly like a vegetable spiralizer”


    “I can tell you for a fact, AI will provide some efficiency gains and that will be the end of it.”
    Ummm:

    "Er, GPT3 did exactly that. No one taught it to draw. No one realised it had that capability. Then someone asked it to draw - and it did "

    I asked ChatGPT (version 4) to assess the veracity of that claim and it said:

    The statement you're referring to seems to mix up a few details about AI development and capabilities. GPT-3, developed by OpenAI, is a language model known for its ability to understand and generate human-like text based on the input it receives. It was not designed with the capability to create visual art or drawings; its strengths lie in text generation, comprehension, translation, and other language-based tasks.

    The confusion might come from the development of other AI models that are capable of generating images, such as DALL·E (also developed by OpenAI), which was specifically designed to create images from textual descriptions. Unlike GPT-3, DALL·E was intentionally developed and trained to translate text descriptions into visual content. So, when DALL·E is asked to draw something based on a text prompt, it can generate images that match the prompt to a remarkable degree of creativity and accuracy.

    To summarize, the statement is not accurate regarding GPT-3, as GPT-3's capabilities are centered around text. The ability to generate drawings or images from text descriptions relates to other AI models like DALL·E, which were specifically designed for that purpose.
    That’s interestingly wrong

    It’s 8pm in Colombia and I need to eat, but image creation was an emergent property of the early GPTs. The first Dall-e was a remake of GPT3 I think
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,239
    Donkeys said:

    Leon said:

    I’ve just been to my local supermarket. It’s a testament to globalisation

    Now to be fair I am in an affluent seaside neighborhood. Nonetheless this is a pretty average Colombian city. It’s not famous like Cartagena (so no tourist income), it’s not important like bogota. It’s not big like Medellin

    It’s a city of 500,000 people quite near the troubled Venezuelan border in a country with a per capita income of $7000

    At first glance the supermarket could easily be in Spain or Croatia. Or a richer bit of wales. The cheese selection is better than most supermarkets in America. The wine is from all over. - but lots of chile and Argentinian. The veg and fruit selection is great and fresh. The bread is good. The hard liquor is fine - bought Bombay sapphire but could have bought Tanqueray or Hendricks

    Wide selection of European olive oils. Great chocolates. Obviously impressive array of coffees ground, beans, raw, all forms. About ten different balsamic vinegars. Dijon mustard. Loads of beers

    This - I repeat - is a nice supermarket in a nice but not outrageously wealthy neighborhood in an average and quite remote Colombian city

    Globalisation and capitalism are phenomenal things

    Have you spoken with any Colombians about the Colombian caste system yet?
    There are 6 levels, with number 6 at the top. That supermarket sounds like 4, possibly 5.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_class_in_Colombia
    I’ve said I’m in a richer burb. I don’t think the average Colombian is buying Camembert or Tanqueray Ten

    Nonetheless the locals are not creeping into this supermarket in awe at the wealth either

    I’ve been all over Colombia these last two weeks - capital, jungle, Medellin, Cartagena now Santa Marta. I’ve been on buses and in taxis and in minivans

    I’ve not seen a single place that looks as poor and shit as that road in Peru which triggered this whole argument. So I am right and you are wrong
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,129
    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Meta's chief AI wallah tells Musk he is wrong. Sorry @Leon

    Yann LeCun

    @ylecun
    ·
    4h
    No.
    If it were the case, we would have AI systems that could teach themselves to drive a car in 20 hours of practice, like any 17 year-old.

    But we still don't have fully autonomous, reliable self-driving, even though we (you) have millions of hours of *labeled* training data.

    https://twitter.com/ylecun/status/1768330345059872931

    *Mic drop*

    That should end the debate. Well said.
    LeCun is hilariously clueless
    He's right on this.

    A 17 year old whose prefrontal cortex isn't even fully developed can learn to drive with 20 hours of training.

    AI can't learn to drive with millions of hours of training.

    The idea AI is smarter than humans is facetious bullshit. It might know more, but its not smarter.
    Current-generation AIs don't even know what year it is. Facts are not exactly their strong point. But they haven't been designed to do so.
    AI won't be smart until it can do stuff it hasn't been designed to do, simply because it wants to do it, without anyone prompting it to do so.

    Like any toddler can.
    Er, GPT3 did exactly that. No one taught it to draw. No one realised it had that capability. Then someone asked it to draw - and it did

    “AI is just an evolution of stuff we already have, it’s not some great new thing.”

    “The internet is exactly like a vegetable spiralizer”


    “I can tell you for a fact, AI will provide some efficiency gains and that will be the end of it.”
    Ummm:

    "Er, GPT3 did exactly that. No one taught it to draw. No one realised it had that capability. Then someone asked it to draw - and it did "

    I asked ChatGPT (version 4) to assess the veracity of that claim and it said:

    The statement you're referring to seems to mix up a few details about AI development and capabilities. GPT-3, developed by OpenAI, is a language model known for its ability to understand and generate human-like text based on the input it receives. It was not designed with the capability to create visual art or drawings; its strengths lie in text generation, comprehension, translation, and other language-based tasks.

    The confusion might come from the development of other AI models that are capable of generating images, such as DALL·E (also developed by OpenAI), which was specifically designed to create images from textual descriptions. Unlike GPT-3, DALL·E was intentionally developed and trained to translate text descriptions into visual content. So, when DALL·E is asked to draw something based on a text prompt, it can generate images that match the prompt to a remarkable degree of creativity and accuracy.

    To summarize, the statement is not accurate regarding GPT-3, as GPT-3's capabilities are centered around text. The ability to generate drawings or images from text descriptions relates to other AI models like DALL·E, which were specifically designed for that purpose.
    That’s interestingly wrong

    It’s 8pm in Colombia and I need to eat, but image creation was an emergent property of the early GPTs. The first Dall-e was a remake of GPT3 I think
    That's simply not true. I've explained how Dall-E has worked many times before. It's brilliant in its simplicity, and like ChatGPT it uses a neural net.

    But Dall-E did not come out of GPT. They are two, entirely different systems.

    (With the proviso that the latest iterations connect them: ChatGPT 4 is capable of feeding Dall-E, and other systems. But that does not mean that Dall-E was in any way an emergent product of GPT.)
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