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  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,009
    DavidL said:

    A big shout out to all PBers celebrating Imbolc today.

    Think it might actually be tomorrow?
    https://www.bing.com/search?q=when+is+imbolc+2024&qs=AS&pq=when+is+imbolc&sk=SS1&sc=10-14&cvid=F920A2F5E4EC4B37A3352E2C0A2E2DDF&FORM=QBRE&sp=2&lq=0

    But I am starting a dry month today. If you are going to have a dry month its best to pick a short one and January is just too depressing without alcohol anyway. As Spring comes and it gets easier to get out the temptation to sit in and drink will hopefully be less.
    Mr Wikipedia says:

    "Imbolc or Imbolg (Irish pronunciation: [ɪˈmˠɔlˠɡ]), also called Saint Brigid's Day (Irish: Lá Fhéile Bríde; Scottish Gaelic: Là Fhèill Brìghde; Manx: Laa'l Breeshey), is a Gaelic traditional festival. It marks the beginning of spring, and for Christians, it is the feast day of Saint Brigid, Ireland's patroness saint. It is held on 1 February,..."

    I have tomorrow down as Candlemas.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,479
    What is the point of Kemi Bad Enoch?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,183

    Turns out I was too depressed to do dry January. Happily I don't have any alcohol in the house, or...

    I've got a cabinet full. Tbh I do actually need to drink some or there'll be no room for whatever someone might get me for my birthday in June.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,643
    edited February 1
    The corrosive substance attack in London is completely fucked. Victims, including a 3 year old, known to the attacker:

    BBC News - Clapham: Eight taken to hospital after south London 'acid' attack - BBC News
    https://www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-england-london-68164010
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,523
    Nigelb said:

    .

    Cyclefree said:

    Anne Clarke's apology -


    Translation: I didn't read the letter below the first line before thinking HA HA HA.

    Ian's management tricks of the trade number 17: "Have you read it?"
    2) Then read it again
    3) Think before you respond.
    4) Have a delay on email so that after you press send you have the ability to cancel it before it actually sends. This is a lifesaver.

    Honestly though, "Have you read it". There was a quirky spy drama a few years back with Bill Nighy called Page 8. Sat round the table in MI5 talking about a report. Home Secretary skipping through it. Nighy coughs and refers to the paragraph at the bottom of page 8. Looks of confusion. "You haven't actually read it"
    A lot of people think that’s what lawyers are for.
    The latter often seem slightly surprised when you’ve actually read and understood one of their documents.
    I was annoyed by the otherwise excellent Chris Mullin's memoirs, where he admits without shame that he often didn't bother to read the papers for committee meetings. I remember being on committees with him and actually thinking "That's not much of an answer" when he responded to a question. Some of us, not on Ministerial salaries, had actually read the damn things.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,256
    edited February 1
    The details of Freer's resignation are really quite disturbing
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,047

    DavidL said:

    A big shout out to all PBers celebrating Imbolc today.

    Think it might actually be tomorrow?
    https://www.bing.com/search?q=when+is+imbolc+2024&qs=AS&pq=when+is+imbolc&sk=SS1&sc=10-14&cvid=F920A2F5E4EC4B37A3352E2C0A2E2DDF&FORM=QBRE&sp=2&lq=0

    But I am starting a dry month today. If you are going to have a dry month its best to pick a short one and January is just too depressing without alcohol anyway. As Spring comes and it gets easier to get out the temptation to sit in and drink will hopefully be less.
    Mr Wikipedia says:

    "Imbolc or Imbolg (Irish pronunciation: [ɪˈmˠɔlˠɡ]), also called Saint Brigid's Day (Irish: Lá Fhéile Bríde; Scottish Gaelic: Là Fhèill Brìghde; Manx: Laa'l Breeshey), is a Gaelic traditional festival. It marks the beginning of spring, and for Christians, it is the feast day of Saint Brigid, Ireland's patroness saint. It is held on 1 February,..."

    I have tomorrow down as Candlemas.
    I have suggested on the Wikipedia Talk page that the article needs updating. Today is St Brigid's Day, which is not the same as Imbolc, but (often) falls on the same day. The exact day for Imbolc can vary from year to year, and person to person.

    We don't get any of these problems with National Hot Chocolate Day (31 Jan).
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,582
    edited February 1
    Dura_Ace said:

    Leon said:

    You can see the future of urban transport here in Phnom Penh

    Anyone who has been to urban Asia will know the "tuk tuk" - a little two-stroke three wheel motorised "rickshaw" - extremely handy in dense urban environments, able to nip about much easier than cars, BUT also considerably safer than mopeds and motorbikes, and you can carry luggage etc

    Tuk-tuks in Phnom Penh (and Bangkok etc) have been Uberised. You can now summon them with an app like Grab. There are so many one will normally arrive, ready to go, within less than two minutes, often it is about 30 seconds - basically instantaneous

    Using the app the driver takes you where you want to go (no language problem) and the payment is made from your phone/card, no money changes hands (like Uber)

    It is a supremely efficient way of doing short-medium journeys in a big city

    Now, combine the Uberised Tuk Tuk with self driving. It won't be hard to make tuk-tuks autonomous, if they can do cars (tuk tuks are lighter, they won't be used for long journeys, and so forth)

    THAT is the future of urban transport. Self driving tuk tuks. Entire fleets of them (clean and electric, not two stroke) shuttling around cities, doing 80% of human journeys, to the shops and back, to the pub, and so on. At night the uberised autonomous tuk tuks will store themselves in underground garages

    Thus the urban car becomes obsolete, for most people

    I'm negotiating with my wife at the minute, to allow me to buy a Tuk Tuk. Either that or an electric cargo bike. She keeps arguing that I've got enough bikes and scooters in bits as it is. I merely point out that I'm retired and need stuff to do, otherwise she'll be be wiping my chin and changing my nappy within a year.
    As the only person on here who is tuk-tuk type rated, I feel compelled to comment. They are all wildly dangerous and slow but if you've really got to, then the move is an Indian built Bajaj.

    Shit car YouTube specialist Hubnut did a video on them, so watch that and reflect on your choices.
    Genuine LOL at “tuk-tuk type rated”. :D
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,009
    I have to confess that before yesterday I hadn't even heard of Imbolc.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,496

    DavidL said:

    A big shout out to all PBers celebrating Imbolc today.

    Think it might actually be tomorrow?
    https://www.bing.com/search?q=when+is+imbolc+2024&qs=AS&pq=when+is+imbolc&sk=SS1&sc=10-14&cvid=F920A2F5E4EC4B37A3352E2C0A2E2DDF&FORM=QBRE&sp=2&lq=0

    But I am starting a dry month today. If you are going to have a dry month its best to pick a short one and January is just too depressing without alcohol anyway. As Spring comes and it gets easier to get out the temptation to sit in and drink will hopefully be less.
    Mr Wikipedia says:

    "Imbolc or Imbolg (Irish pronunciation: [ɪˈmˠɔlˠɡ]), also called Saint Brigid's Day (Irish: Lá Fhéile Bríde; Scottish Gaelic: Là Fhèill Brìghde; Manx: Laa'l Breeshey), is a Gaelic traditional festival. It marks the beginning of spring, and for Christians, it is the feast day of Saint Brigid, Ireland's patroness saint. It is held on 1 February,..."

    I have tomorrow down as Candlemas.
    Cumberland is a bit of a centre for Bride/Brigid too. There's Kirkbride, Bridekirk and several St Bride/Brigid dedications.

    Yes, Candlemas is 2nd February, which is how Christmas lasts for 40 days, rendering dry January a sub-optimal idea as it stops just in time for Lent, starting this year on 14th February.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,479

    I have to confess that before yesterday I hadn't even heard of Imbolc.

    It sounds medicinal.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,496

    I have to confess that before yesterday I hadn't even heard of Imbolc.

    It sounds medicinal.
    It's a character from Lord of the Rings, a second cousin of Balrog.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,563

    I have to confess that before yesterday I hadn't even heard of Imbolc.

    It sounds medicinal.
    It's the new wonder-drug that'll stop @Leon believing anything he reads on t'Internet. ;)
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,953
    edited February 1
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    DougSeal said:

    Leon said:

    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    Elon Musk: PROFOUNDLY LAZY

    lol

    He certainly works very hard indeed, apart from when he gets high and reads things on twitter. But that seems to be his way of blowing off steam, its not all the time.
    Notoriously, when he took over Twitter, he pissed everyone off by working 20 hour days and by demanding the staff do the same (after he sacked 60% of them). He told them to sleep in the office

    "Profoundly lazy"

    I mean, lol

    Musk Derangement Syndrome is a real thing, people (for some reason) hate him so much it drives them to spout obvious irrational nonsense. And that idiot thread linked by @Scott_xP is a classic example

    It is closely related, in its symptomology, to Trump Derangement and Brexit Derangement Syndromes. I am sure there are others

    Something about the modern world and social media creates these weird mental obsessions where sane people CHOOSE to believe obviously non-true things
    You choose to believe myths about Musk. The 20 hours a day claim comes from…Musk…who also claims (despite much evidence to the contrary) not to take holidays. It’s physically impossible, particularly for a man who is clearly in very bad shape.

    I don’t think he’s lazy, but the extent to which you have crawled up his backside in believing this tech-bro “hustler” culture bullshit means you should be posting regularly on LinkedIn, where this crap dominates, not here. He’s a rich guy, who was born rich, invested the money he was born with wisely, has talent in some areas (but not others, see Twitter) and will be first up against the wall when the revolution comes. That’s about it.
    Another case. Musk Derangement Syndrome

    It is sadly common, even on PB
    He's not going to shag you.
    I guess you could cobble together an AI thing of him looming over you, rocket booster in hand, promising that he'll be gentle with you though.
    No, if I had to fuck a mega-famous dude from the world of Tech, it would be Sam Altman

    1. He's gay, so he'd be up for it
    2. He's cute (if you like men, which I don't, not that way, but if forced I'd rather have a cute guy)
    3. During the pillow talk, he might reveal how close OpenAI REALLY are to AGI, which is - I suspect - a more interesting secret than anything Musk could offer

    You? Which tech bro would you fuck? I reckon you'd like Bill Gates, indeed - didn't you actually admit that about a year ago - that you urgently wanted Bill Gates to sodomise you?

    Having had the vax I feel I’ve already been penetrated by Bill and his new world order.

    Isn’t it a bit cuck to want to be the sodomizee rather than the sodomizer?
  • eristdooferistdoof Posts: 5,065

    DavidL said:

    A big shout out to all PBers celebrating Imbolc today.

    Think it might actually be tomorrow?
    https://www.bing.com/search?q=when+is+imbolc+2024&qs=AS&pq=when+is+imbolc&sk=SS1&sc=10-14&cvid=F920A2F5E4EC4B37A3352E2C0A2E2DDF&FORM=QBRE&sp=2&lq=0

    But I am starting a dry month today. If you are going to have a dry month its best to pick a short one and January is just too depressing without alcohol anyway. As Spring comes and it gets easier to get out the temptation to sit in and drink will hopefully be less.
    Mr Wikipedia says:

    "Imbolc or Imbolg (Irish pronunciation: [ɪˈmˠɔlˠɡ]), also called Saint Brigid's Day (Irish: Lá Fhéile Bríde; Scottish Gaelic: Là Fhèill Brìghde; Manx: Laa'l Breeshey), is a Gaelic traditional festival. It marks the beginning of spring, and for Christians, it is the feast day of Saint Brigid, Ireland's patroness saint. It is held on 1 February,..."

    I have tomorrow down as Candlemas.
    I have suggested on the Wikipedia Talk page that the article needs updating. Today is St Brigid's Day, which is not the same as Imbolc, but (often) falls on the same day. The exact day for Imbolc can vary from year to year, and person to person.

    We don't get any of these problems with National Hot Chocolate Day (31 Jan).
    You Sexy Thing!
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,240
    a

    I have to confess that before yesterday I hadn't even heard of Imbolc.

    It sounds medicinal.
    It's the new wonder-drug that'll stop @Leon believing anything he reads on t'Internet. ;)
    Did you read that on the Internet?
  • eristdooferistdoof Posts: 5,065

    What is the point of Kemi Bad Enoch?

    To make her colleagues seem better.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,628
    edited February 1

    Sandpit said:

    Hamilton to Ferrari rumours again and I am here for it. Feels different this time…

    Personally, if I were in his shoes I’d stick with the team that’s won a hatful of championships in the past decade, rather than the team that hasn’t won since 2008 while regularly throwing away good results with poor strategy and unreliability.
    It's fake news.

    https://www.gpfans.com/en/f1-news/1012104/lewis-hamilton-mercedes-f1-return-for-marc-hynes-2024-season/


    Mark today’s date, it is one of those rare days that I am wrong.

    Lewis Hamilton could make a shock move to Ferrari for the 2025 season, BBC Sport understands.

    Several sources say claims of links between the seven-time champion and Ferrari should be taken seriously, but a deal is not yet confirmed.

    Ferrari want Hamilton to join Charles Leclerc for the 2025 season.

    The 39-year-old signed a new two-year deal with Mercedes for 2024 and 2025 last summer but it seems he can leave after one season, should he choose.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/68163799
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,742

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    DougSeal said:

    Leon said:

    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    Elon Musk: PROFOUNDLY LAZY

    lol

    He certainly works very hard indeed, apart from when he gets high and reads things on twitter. But that seems to be his way of blowing off steam, its not all the time.
    Notoriously, when he took over Twitter, he pissed everyone off by working 20 hour days and by demanding the staff do the same (after he sacked 60% of them). He told them to sleep in the office

    "Profoundly lazy"

    I mean, lol

    Musk Derangement Syndrome is a real thing, people (for some reason) hate him so much it drives them to spout obvious irrational nonsense. And that idiot thread linked by @Scott_xP is a classic example

    It is closely related, in its symptomology, to Trump Derangement and Brexit Derangement Syndromes. I am sure there are others

    Something about the modern world and social media creates these weird mental obsessions where sane people CHOOSE to believe obviously non-true things
    You choose to believe myths about Musk. The 20 hours a day claim comes from…Musk…who also claims (despite much evidence to the contrary) not to take holidays. It’s physically impossible, particularly for a man who is clearly in very bad shape.

    I don’t think he’s lazy, but the extent to which you have crawled up his backside in believing this tech-bro “hustler” culture bullshit means you should be posting regularly on LinkedIn, where this crap dominates, not here. He’s a rich guy, who was born rich, invested the money he was born with wisely, has talent in some areas (but not others, see Twitter) and will be first up against the wall when the revolution comes. That’s about it.
    Another case. Musk Derangement Syndrome

    It is sadly common, even on PB
    He's not going to shag you.
    I guess you could cobble together an AI thing of him looming over you, rocket booster in hand, promising that he'll be gentle with you though.
    No, if I had to fuck a mega-famous dude from the world of Tech, it would be Sam Altman

    1. He's gay, so he'd be up for it
    2. He's cute (if you like men, which I don't, not that way, but if forced I'd rather have a cute guy)
    3. During the pillow talk, he might reveal how close OpenAI REALLY are to AGI, which is - I suspect - a more interesting secret than anything Musk could offer

    You? Which tech bro would you fuck? I reckon you'd like Bill Gates, indeed - didn't you actually admit that about a year ago - that you urgently wanted Bill Gates to sodomise you?

    Having had the vax I feel I’ve already been penetrated by Bill and his new world order.

    Isn’t it a bit cuck to want to be the sodomizee rather than the sodomizer?
    That was the Roman view. But then the Romans social and sexual mores, like much of their culture, was remarkably modern in some ways and hopeless alien in others, even when they share a common abutment.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,256
    Just GRABBED a tuk tuk. It arrived within 10 seconds of my ordering it





    5 minutes drive. It has now dropped me off. No words no cash no cards all done. How insanely efficient

    Cost 60p

    Why can’t we have this in London? This - with driverless tuk tuks - is the future
  • Another win for an alumni of Cambridge.

    Donald Trump’s data protection claim over allegations he took part in “perverted” sex acts and gave bribes to Russian officials has been dismissed by a high court judge in London.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/feb/01/donald-trump-sex-bribes-data-protection-claim-rejected-by-uk-court
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,563

    a

    I have to confess that before yesterday I hadn't even heard of Imbolc.

    It sounds medicinal.
    It's the new wonder-drug that'll stop @Leon believing anything he reads on t'Internet. ;)
    Did you read that on the Internet?
    Yes, on here. You'll find it just below, timestamped 10.16 ;)
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,800
    Pulpstar said:

    Turns out I was too depressed to do dry January. Happily I don't have any alcohol in the house, or...

    I've got a cabinet full. Tbh I do actually need to drink some or there'll be no room for whatever someone might get me for my birthday in June.
    My daughter's subjects at University, whatever they were actually called, always seemed to turn into sociology. She was asked to define middle class and came up with the answer people who store alcohol in their house for more than a month.

    I think its as good a working definition as any and of course fits into the difference between living hand to mouth and having that cushion so many of our fellow citizens just don't have.

    So, I'm afraid that's you labelled. Middle class.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,628
    edited February 1

    Sandpit said:

    Hamilton to Ferrari rumours again and I am here for it. Feels different this time…

    Personally, if I were in his shoes I’d stick with the team that’s won a hatful of championships in the past decade, rather than the team that hasn’t won since 2008 while regularly throwing away good results with poor strategy and unreliability.
    It's fake news.

    https://www.gpfans.com/en/f1-news/1012104/lewis-hamilton-mercedes-f1-return-for-marc-hynes-2024-season/


    Mark today’s date, it is one of those rare days that I am wrong.

    Lewis Hamilton could make a shock move to Ferrari for the 2025 season, BBC Sport understands.

    Several sources say claims of links between the seven-time champion and Ferrari should be taken seriously, but a deal is not yet confirmed.

    Ferrari want Hamilton to join Charles Leclerc for the 2025 season.

    The 39-year-old signed a new two-year deal with Mercedes for 2024 and 2025 last summer but it seems he can leave after one season, should he choose.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/68163799
    Sky confirm the deal, Sir Lewis joining Ferrari in 2025.

    Feels like a regressive move, Ferrari can’t organise a pregnancy on a council estate.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,125
    edited February 1
    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    You can see the future of urban transport here in Phnom Penh

    Anyone who has been to urban Asia will know the "tuk tuk" - a little two-stroke three wheel motorised "rickshaw" - extremely handy in dense urban environments, able to nip about much easier than cars, BUT also considerably safer than mopeds and motorbikes, and you can carry luggage etc

    Tuk-tuks in Phnom Penh (and Bangkok etc) have been Uberised. You can now summon them with an app like Grab. There are so many one will normally arrive, ready to go, within less than two minutes, often it is about 30 seconds - basically instantaneous

    Using the app the driver takes you where you want to go (no language problem) and the payment is made from your phone/card, no money changes hands (like Uber)

    It is a supremely efficient way of doing short-medium journeys in a big city

    Now, combine the Uberised Tuk Tuk with self driving. It won't be hard to make tuk-tuks autonomous, if they can do cars (tuk tuks are lighter, they won't be used for long journeys, and so forth)

    THAT is the future of urban transport. Self driving tuk tuks. Entire fleets of them (clean and electric, not two stroke) shuttling around cities, doing 80% of human journeys, to the shops and back, to the pub, and so on. At night the uberised autonomous tuk tuks will store themselves in underground garages

    Thus the urban car becomes obsolete, for most people

    I agree with the general idea, but split into two parts:

    There will be pool cars and vans (Uber, Enterprise, whatever) available on every street in urban Britain, and they will be cheap with scale and enormously popular. This will massively increase the amount of space available on residential streets - average mileage of personal cars is only 7,000 per year, and they spend most of their time parked. *

    However, most people, for most journeys, will get around on e-scooters (75% of car journeys in Edinburgh are single occupant, for example.)** They are used almost exclusively by arseholes at the moment but you can't escape the fact they are spectacularly efficient to store and run. That our legislation has so far stymied the scooter revolution is a gross failure.

    *Conspiracy theorists will cite Magna Carta in defence of their private vehicles and bomb a few pool cars, ULEZ style
    ** This will lead to an enormous spike in fatal road traffic collisions as cars and scooters begin to mix, but the revolution will survive it
    E Scooters are a massive safety risk, and their embrace by the anti carists is baffling.

    In most parts of the country they're banned from public roads.

    I say this as a non driver; private cars are simply not going to go away.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,125
    edited February 1
    DavidL said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Turns out I was too depressed to do dry January. Happily I don't have any alcohol in the house, or...

    I've got a cabinet full. Tbh I do actually need to drink some or there'll be no room for whatever someone might get me for my birthday in June.
    My daughter's subjects at University, whatever they were actually called, always seemed to turn into sociology. She was asked to define middle class and came up with the answer people who store alcohol in their house for more than a month.

    I think its as good a working definition as any and of course fits into the difference between living hand to mouth and having that cushion so many of our fellow citizens just don't have.

    So, I'm afraid that's you labelled. Middle class.
    Quite right. Everyone else knows the best place to store it is in the cellar.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,009
    Mortimer said:

    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    You can see the future of urban transport here in Phnom Penh

    Anyone who has been to urban Asia will know the "tuk tuk" - a little two-stroke three wheel motorised "rickshaw" - extremely handy in dense urban environments, able to nip about much easier than cars, BUT also considerably safer than mopeds and motorbikes, and you can carry luggage etc

    Tuk-tuks in Phnom Penh (and Bangkok etc) have been Uberised. You can now summon them with an app like Grab. There are so many one will normally arrive, ready to go, within less than two minutes, often it is about 30 seconds - basically instantaneous

    Using the app the driver takes you where you want to go (no language problem) and the payment is made from your phone/card, no money changes hands (like Uber)

    It is a supremely efficient way of doing short-medium journeys in a big city

    Now, combine the Uberised Tuk Tuk with self driving. It won't be hard to make tuk-tuks autonomous, if they can do cars (tuk tuks are lighter, they won't be used for long journeys, and so forth)

    THAT is the future of urban transport. Self driving tuk tuks. Entire fleets of them (clean and electric, not two stroke) shuttling around cities, doing 80% of human journeys, to the shops and back, to the pub, and so on. At night the uberised autonomous tuk tuks will store themselves in underground garages

    Thus the urban car becomes obsolete, for most people

    I agree with the general idea, but split into two parts:

    There will be pool cars and vans (Uber, Enterprise, whatever) available on every street in urban Britain, and they will be cheap with scale and enormously popular. This will massively increase the amount of space available on residential streets - average mileage of personal cars is only 7,000 per year, and they spend most of their time parked. *

    However, most people, for most journeys, will get around on e-scooters (75% of car journeys in Edinburgh are single occupant, for example.)** They are used almost exclusively by arseholes at the moment but you can't escape the fact they are spectacularly efficient to store and run. That our legislation has so far stymied the scooter revolution is a gross failure.

    *Conspiracy theorists will cite Magna Carta in defence of their private vehicles and bomb a few pool cars, ULEZ style
    ** This will lead to an enormous spike in fatal road traffic collisions as cars and scooters begin to mix, but the revolution will survive it
    E Scooters are a massive safety risk, and their embrace by the anti carists is baffling.

    In most parts of the country they're banned from public roads.

    I say this as a non driver; private cars are simply not going to go away.
    E-scooters and Deliveroo E-bikes. Total menace.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,678
    eristdoof said:

    What is the point of Kemi Bad Enoch?

    To make her colleagues seem better.
    Mr Simon Heffer was getting very gooey over her in that interview someone linked to the other day. Did the 'Enoch' bit do something subliminal on him?
  • Today might be greatest moment of European unity since the Battle of Waterloo.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,183
    edited February 1

    Sandpit said:

    Hamilton to Ferrari rumours again and I am here for it. Feels different this time…

    Personally, if I were in his shoes I’d stick with the team that’s won a hatful of championships in the past decade, rather than the team that hasn’t won since 2008 while regularly throwing away good results with poor strategy and unreliability.
    It's fake news.

    https://www.gpfans.com/en/f1-news/1012104/lewis-hamilton-mercedes-f1-return-for-marc-hynes-2024-season/


    Mark today’s date, it is one of those rare days that I am wrong.

    Lewis Hamilton could make a shock move to Ferrari for the 2025 season, BBC Sport understands.

    Several sources say claims of links between the seven-time champion and Ferrari should be taken seriously, but a deal is not yet confirmed.

    Ferrari want Hamilton to join Charles Leclerc for the 2025 season.

    The 39-year-old signed a new two-year deal with Mercedes for 2024 and 2025 last summer but it seems he can leave after one season, should he choose.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/68163799
    Sky confirm the deal, Sir Lewis joining Ferrari in 2025.

    Feels like a regressive move, Ferrari can’t organise a pregnancy on a council estate.
    Will anyone be able to stop Red Bull next season. Have the regs changed much from last season - which was the most dominant ever I think.

    The dominance from Verstappen was just bonkers -

    Wins: 19 (from 22 races)
    Best win percentage: 86.36% (breaking Alberto Ascari’s record that stood since 1952)
    Most consecutive wins: 10
    Podiums: 21 (out of 22)
    Points: 575 (out of 620 - 92.7% of possible points)
    Laps led: 1003 (out of 1383)
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,800

    Sandpit said:

    Hamilton to Ferrari rumours again and I am here for it. Feels different this time…

    Personally, if I were in his shoes I’d stick with the team that’s won a hatful of championships in the past decade, rather than the team that hasn’t won since 2008 while regularly throwing away good results with poor strategy and unreliability.
    It's fake news.

    https://www.gpfans.com/en/f1-news/1012104/lewis-hamilton-mercedes-f1-return-for-marc-hynes-2024-season/


    Mark today’s date, it is one of those rare days that I am wrong.

    Lewis Hamilton could make a shock move to Ferrari for the 2025 season, BBC Sport understands.

    Several sources say claims of links between the seven-time champion and Ferrari should be taken seriously, but a deal is not yet confirmed.

    Ferrari want Hamilton to join Charles Leclerc for the 2025 season.

    The 39-year-old signed a new two-year deal with Mercedes for 2024 and 2025 last summer but it seems he can leave after one season, should he choose.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/68163799
    Sky confirm the deal, Sir Lewis joining Ferrari in 2025.

    Feels like a regressive move, Ferrari can’t organise a pregnancy on a council estate.
    If he has thought that Toto Wolff has made the odd poor tactical decision on pit stops etc he is in for a shock.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,125

    Mortimer said:

    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    You can see the future of urban transport here in Phnom Penh

    Anyone who has been to urban Asia will know the "tuk tuk" - a little two-stroke three wheel motorised "rickshaw" - extremely handy in dense urban environments, able to nip about much easier than cars, BUT also considerably safer than mopeds and motorbikes, and you can carry luggage etc

    Tuk-tuks in Phnom Penh (and Bangkok etc) have been Uberised. You can now summon them with an app like Grab. There are so many one will normally arrive, ready to go, within less than two minutes, often it is about 30 seconds - basically instantaneous

    Using the app the driver takes you where you want to go (no language problem) and the payment is made from your phone/card, no money changes hands (like Uber)

    It is a supremely efficient way of doing short-medium journeys in a big city

    Now, combine the Uberised Tuk Tuk with self driving. It won't be hard to make tuk-tuks autonomous, if they can do cars (tuk tuks are lighter, they won't be used for long journeys, and so forth)

    THAT is the future of urban transport. Self driving tuk tuks. Entire fleets of them (clean and electric, not two stroke) shuttling around cities, doing 80% of human journeys, to the shops and back, to the pub, and so on. At night the uberised autonomous tuk tuks will store themselves in underground garages

    Thus the urban car becomes obsolete, for most people

    I agree with the general idea, but split into two parts:

    There will be pool cars and vans (Uber, Enterprise, whatever) available on every street in urban Britain, and they will be cheap with scale and enormously popular. This will massively increase the amount of space available on residential streets - average mileage of personal cars is only 7,000 per year, and they spend most of their time parked. *

    However, most people, for most journeys, will get around on e-scooters (75% of car journeys in Edinburgh are single occupant, for example.)** They are used almost exclusively by arseholes at the moment but you can't escape the fact they are spectacularly efficient to store and run. That our legislation has so far stymied the scooter revolution is a gross failure.

    *Conspiracy theorists will cite Magna Carta in defence of their private vehicles and bomb a few pool cars, ULEZ style
    ** This will lead to an enormous spike in fatal road traffic collisions as cars and scooters begin to mix, but the revolution will survive it
    E Scooters are a massive safety risk, and their embrace by the anti carists is baffling.

    In most parts of the country they're banned from public roads.

    I say this as a non driver; private cars are simply not going to go away.
    E-scooters and Deliveroo E-bikes. Total menace.
    I suspect PCCs will encourage a crack down on them outside of the trial areas, because the politically engaged are more likely to be anti than pro....
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,420
    Leon said:

    Just GRABBED a tuk tuk. It arrived within 10 seconds of my ordering it





    5 minutes drive. It has now dropped me off. No words no cash no cards all done. How insanely efficient

    Cost 60p

    Why can’t we have this in London? This - with driverless tuk tuks - is the future

    I prefer the motorsi taxis in Bangkok. More exciting, and I’m not tall, so my knees don’t stick out further than those of the average Thai driver.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,643
    Mortimer said:

    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    You can see the future of urban transport here in Phnom Penh

    Anyone who has been to urban Asia will know the "tuk tuk" - a little two-stroke three wheel motorised "rickshaw" - extremely handy in dense urban environments, able to nip about much easier than cars, BUT also considerably safer than mopeds and motorbikes, and you can carry luggage etc

    Tuk-tuks in Phnom Penh (and Bangkok etc) have been Uberised. You can now summon them with an app like Grab. There are so many one will normally arrive, ready to go, within less than two minutes, often it is about 30 seconds - basically instantaneous

    Using the app the driver takes you where you want to go (no language problem) and the payment is made from your phone/card, no money changes hands (like Uber)

    It is a supremely efficient way of doing short-medium journeys in a big city

    Now, combine the Uberised Tuk Tuk with self driving. It won't be hard to make tuk-tuks autonomous, if they can do cars (tuk tuks are lighter, they won't be used for long journeys, and so forth)

    THAT is the future of urban transport. Self driving tuk tuks. Entire fleets of them (clean and electric, not two stroke) shuttling around cities, doing 80% of human journeys, to the shops and back, to the pub, and so on. At night the uberised autonomous tuk tuks will store themselves in underground garages

    Thus the urban car becomes obsolete, for most people

    I agree with the general idea, but split into two parts:

    There will be pool cars and vans (Uber, Enterprise, whatever) available on every street in urban Britain, and they will be cheap with scale and enormously popular. This will massively increase the amount of space available on residential streets - average mileage of personal cars is only 7,000 per year, and they spend most of their time parked. *

    However, most people, for most journeys, will get around on e-scooters (75% of car journeys in Edinburgh are single occupant, for example.)** They are used almost exclusively by arseholes at the moment but you can't escape the fact they are spectacularly efficient to store and run. That our legislation has so far stymied the scooter revolution is a gross failure.

    *Conspiracy theorists will cite Magna Carta in defence of their private vehicles and bomb a few pool cars, ULEZ style
    ** This will lead to an enormous spike in fatal road traffic collisions as cars and scooters begin to mix, but the revolution will survive it
    E Scooters are a massive safety risk, and their embrace by the anti carists is baffling.

    In most parts of the country they're banned from public roads.

    I say this as a non driver; private cars are simply not going to go away.
    Why?

    They are lighter than cars
    They can't go as fast as cars
    The riders have a personal interest in not crashing into something
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,256
    Purge!
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,800
    Mortimer said:

    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    You can see the future of urban transport here in Phnom Penh

    Anyone who has been to urban Asia will know the "tuk tuk" - a little two-stroke three wheel motorised "rickshaw" - extremely handy in dense urban environments, able to nip about much easier than cars, BUT also considerably safer than mopeds and motorbikes, and you can carry luggage etc

    Tuk-tuks in Phnom Penh (and Bangkok etc) have been Uberised. You can now summon them with an app like Grab. There are so many one will normally arrive, ready to go, within less than two minutes, often it is about 30 seconds - basically instantaneous

    Using the app the driver takes you where you want to go (no language problem) and the payment is made from your phone/card, no money changes hands (like Uber)

    It is a supremely efficient way of doing short-medium journeys in a big city

    Now, combine the Uberised Tuk Tuk with self driving. It won't be hard to make tuk-tuks autonomous, if they can do cars (tuk tuks are lighter, they won't be used for long journeys, and so forth)

    THAT is the future of urban transport. Self driving tuk tuks. Entire fleets of them (clean and electric, not two stroke) shuttling around cities, doing 80% of human journeys, to the shops and back, to the pub, and so on. At night the uberised autonomous tuk tuks will store themselves in underground garages

    Thus the urban car becomes obsolete, for most people

    I agree with the general idea, but split into two parts:

    There will be pool cars and vans (Uber, Enterprise, whatever) available on every street in urban Britain, and they will be cheap with scale and enormously popular. This will massively increase the amount of space available on residential streets - average mileage of personal cars is only 7,000 per year, and they spend most of their time parked. *

    However, most people, for most journeys, will get around on e-scooters (75% of car journeys in Edinburgh are single occupant, for example.)** They are used almost exclusively by arseholes at the moment but you can't escape the fact they are spectacularly efficient to store and run. That our legislation has so far stymied the scooter revolution is a gross failure.

    *Conspiracy theorists will cite Magna Carta in defence of their private vehicles and bomb a few pool cars, ULEZ style
    ** This will lead to an enormous spike in fatal road traffic collisions as cars and scooters begin to mix, but the revolution will survive it
    E Scooters are a massive safety risk, and their embrace by the anti carists is baffling.

    In most parts of the country they're banned from public roads.

    I say this as a non driver; private cars are simply not going to go away.
    They are also not much use in a climate where it seems to rain half the time. The western equivalent of the Tuk-tuk being promoted this morning is much more realistic.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,631
    Eabhal said:

    The corrosive substance attack in London is completely fucked. Victims, including a 3 year old, known to the attacker:

    BBC News - Clapham: Eight taken to hospital after south London 'acid' attack - BBC News
    https://www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-england-london-68164010

    Characteristic poor editing and science.

    The link specifies alkali injury...
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,643
    DavidL said:

    Mortimer said:

    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    You can see the future of urban transport here in Phnom Penh

    Anyone who has been to urban Asia will know the "tuk tuk" - a little two-stroke three wheel motorised "rickshaw" - extremely handy in dense urban environments, able to nip about much easier than cars, BUT also considerably safer than mopeds and motorbikes, and you can carry luggage etc

    Tuk-tuks in Phnom Penh (and Bangkok etc) have been Uberised. You can now summon them with an app like Grab. There are so many one will normally arrive, ready to go, within less than two minutes, often it is about 30 seconds - basically instantaneous

    Using the app the driver takes you where you want to go (no language problem) and the payment is made from your phone/card, no money changes hands (like Uber)

    It is a supremely efficient way of doing short-medium journeys in a big city

    Now, combine the Uberised Tuk Tuk with self driving. It won't be hard to make tuk-tuks autonomous, if they can do cars (tuk tuks are lighter, they won't be used for long journeys, and so forth)

    THAT is the future of urban transport. Self driving tuk tuks. Entire fleets of them (clean and electric, not two stroke) shuttling around cities, doing 80% of human journeys, to the shops and back, to the pub, and so on. At night the uberised autonomous tuk tuks will store themselves in underground garages

    Thus the urban car becomes obsolete, for most people

    I agree with the general idea, but split into two parts:

    There will be pool cars and vans (Uber, Enterprise, whatever) available on every street in urban Britain, and they will be cheap with scale and enormously popular. This will massively increase the amount of space available on residential streets - average mileage of personal cars is only 7,000 per year, and they spend most of their time parked. *

    However, most people, for most journeys, will get around on e-scooters (75% of car journeys in Edinburgh are single occupant, for example.)** They are used almost exclusively by arseholes at the moment but you can't escape the fact they are spectacularly efficient to store and run. That our legislation has so far stymied the scooter revolution is a gross failure.

    *Conspiracy theorists will cite Magna Carta in defence of their private vehicles and bomb a few pool cars, ULEZ style
    ** This will lead to an enormous spike in fatal road traffic collisions as cars and scooters begin to mix, but the revolution will survive it
    E Scooters are a massive safety risk, and their embrace by the anti carists is baffling.

    In most parts of the country they're banned from public roads.

    I say this as a non driver; private cars are simply not going to go away.
    They are also not much use in a climate where it seems to rain half the time. The western equivalent of the Tuk-tuk being promoted this morning is much more realistic.
    And yet, despite the fact they are illegal to use both on the roads and pavements, they are popular.
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,331
    edited February 1

    Hurrah.

    Deal reached on 50 billion euros in EU aid for Ukraine

    Charles Michel, the European Council president, has announced that a deal has been reached on 50 billion euros for Ukraine.

    “All 27 leaders agreed,” he said, adding that “this locks in steadfast, long-term, predictable funding for Ukraine.”

    The agreement comes after the bloc’s most influential politicians sat down with Hungary’s Viktor Orbán this morning.

    Orbán had vetoed an agreement during a summit in December, and efforts have been ongoing to bring him onboard.

    Michel’s announcement indicates leaders succeeded in convincing the Hungarian leader.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/feb/01/eu-leaders-gather-for-key-summit-in-bid-to-unblock-orban-veto-on-ukraine-aid-europe-live?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

    Ha ha Vlad. Neither Viktor nor Donald are going to save you.

    P.s. It’s a shame the troll factory has turned its attention away from PB - I’m in the mood to gloat.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,256
    Mortimer said:

    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    You can see the future of urban transport here in Phnom Penh

    Anyone who has been to urban Asia will know the "tuk tuk" - a little two-stroke three wheel motorised "rickshaw" - extremely handy in dense urban environments, able to nip about much easier than cars, BUT also considerably safer than mopeds and motorbikes, and you can carry luggage etc

    Tuk-tuks in Phnom Penh (and Bangkok etc) have been Uberised. You can now summon them with an app like Grab. There are so many one will normally arrive, ready to go, within less than two minutes, often it is about 30 seconds - basically instantaneous

    Using the app the driver takes you where you want to go (no language problem) and the payment is made from your phone/card, no money changes hands (like Uber)

    It is a supremely efficient way of doing short-medium journeys in a big city

    Now, combine the Uberised Tuk Tuk with self driving. It won't be hard to make tuk-tuks autonomous, if they can do cars (tuk tuks are lighter, they won't be used for long journeys, and so forth)

    THAT is the future of urban transport. Self driving tuk tuks. Entire fleets of them (clean and electric, not two stroke) shuttling around cities, doing 80% of human journeys, to the shops and back, to the pub, and so on. At night the uberised autonomous tuk tuks will store themselves in underground garages

    Thus the urban car becomes obsolete, for most people

    I agree with the general idea, but split into two parts:

    There will be pool cars and vans (Uber, Enterprise, whatever) available on every street in urban Britain, and they will be cheap with scale and enormously popular. This will massively increase the amount of space available on residential streets - average mileage of personal cars is only 7,000 per year, and they spend most of their time parked. *

    However, most people, for most journeys, will get around on e-scooters (75% of car journeys in Edinburgh are single occupant, for example.)** They are used almost exclusively by arseholes at the moment but you can't escape the fact they are spectacularly efficient to store and run. That our legislation has so far stymied the scooter revolution is a gross failure.

    *Conspiracy theorists will cite Magna Carta in defence of their private vehicles and bomb a few pool cars, ULEZ style
    ** This will lead to an enormous spike in fatal road traffic collisions as cars and scooters begin to mix, but the revolution will survive it
    E Scooters are a massive safety risk, and their embrace by the anti carists is baffling.

    In most parts of the country they're banned from public roads.

    I say this as a non driver; private cars are simply not going to go away.
    They will go away in London if we introduce my brilliant driverless e-tuktuk idea

    Why spend all that money on a car if these things can whizz you about so quickly and efficiently. Sure some people will still want cars for status but you can’t legislate for insecure idiots

    And we will save millions of lives. No more drink driving. No more falling asleep at the wheel. No more cars running over kids

    It’s coming
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,631
    Leon said:

    Mortimer said:

    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    You can see the future of urban transport here in Phnom Penh

    Anyone who has been to urban Asia will know the "tuk tuk" - a little two-stroke three wheel motorised "rickshaw" - extremely handy in dense urban environments, able to nip about much easier than cars, BUT also considerably safer than mopeds and motorbikes, and you can carry luggage etc

    Tuk-tuks in Phnom Penh (and Bangkok etc) have been Uberised. You can now summon them with an app like Grab. There are so many one will normally arrive, ready to go, within less than two minutes, often it is about 30 seconds - basically instantaneous

    Using the app the driver takes you where you want to go (no language problem) and the payment is made from your phone/card, no money changes hands (like Uber)

    It is a supremely efficient way of doing short-medium journeys in a big city

    Now, combine the Uberised Tuk Tuk with self driving. It won't be hard to make tuk-tuks autonomous, if they can do cars (tuk tuks are lighter, they won't be used for long journeys, and so forth)

    THAT is the future of urban transport. Self driving tuk tuks. Entire fleets of them (clean and electric, not two stroke) shuttling around cities, doing 80% of human journeys, to the shops and back, to the pub, and so on. At night the uberised autonomous tuk tuks will store themselves in underground garages

    Thus the urban car becomes obsolete, for most people

    I agree with the general idea, but split into two parts:

    There will be pool cars and vans (Uber, Enterprise, whatever) available on every street in urban Britain, and they will be cheap with scale and enormously popular. This will massively increase the amount of space available on residential streets - average mileage of personal cars is only 7,000 per year, and they spend most of their time parked. *

    However, most people, for most journeys, will get around on e-scooters (75% of car journeys in Edinburgh are single occupant, for example.)** They are used almost exclusively by arseholes at the moment but you can't escape the fact they are spectacularly efficient to store and run. That our legislation has so far stymied the scooter revolution is a gross failure.

    *Conspiracy theorists will cite Magna Carta in defence of their private vehicles and bomb a few pool cars, ULEZ style
    ** This will lead to an enormous spike in fatal road traffic collisions as cars and scooters begin to mix, but the revolution will survive it
    E Scooters are a massive safety risk, and their embrace by the anti carists is baffling.

    In most parts of the country they're banned from public roads.

    I say this as a non driver; private cars are simply not going to go away.
    They will go away in London if we introduce my brilliant driverless e-tuktuk idea

    Why spend all that money on a car if these things can whizz you about so quickly and efficiently. Sure some people will still want cars for status but you can’t legislate for insecure idiots

    And we will save millions of lives. No more drink driving. No more falling asleep at the wheel. No more cars running over kids

    It’s coming
    Will they navigate with what 3 words?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,872
    DavidL said:

    A big shout out to all PBers celebrating Imbolc today.

    Think it might actually be tomorrow?
    https://www.bing.com/search?q=when+is+imbolc+2024&qs=AS&pq=when+is+imbolc&sk=SS1&sc=10-14&cvid=F920A2F5E4EC4B37A3352E2C0A2E2DDF&FORM=QBRE&sp=2&lq=0

    But I am starting a dry month today. If you are going to have a dry month its best to pick a short one and January is just too depressing without alcohol anyway. As Spring comes and it gets easier to get out the temptation to sit in and drink will hopefully be less.
    My knowledge of St Brigid's Day comes entirely from Irish racing podcasts. Basically the official day is today but it is generally known as "the bank holiday" which is on Monday.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,952
    DavidL said:

    Mortimer said:

    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    You can see the future of urban transport here in Phnom Penh

    Anyone who has been to urban Asia will know the "tuk tuk" - a little two-stroke three wheel motorised "rickshaw" - extremely handy in dense urban environments, able to nip about much easier than cars, BUT also considerably safer than mopeds and motorbikes, and you can carry luggage etc

    Tuk-tuks in Phnom Penh (and Bangkok etc) have been Uberised. You can now summon them with an app like Grab. There are so many one will normally arrive, ready to go, within less than two minutes, often it is about 30 seconds - basically instantaneous

    Using the app the driver takes you where you want to go (no language problem) and the payment is made from your phone/card, no money changes hands (like Uber)

    It is a supremely efficient way of doing short-medium journeys in a big city

    Now, combine the Uberised Tuk Tuk with self driving. It won't be hard to make tuk-tuks autonomous, if they can do cars (tuk tuks are lighter, they won't be used for long journeys, and so forth)

    THAT is the future of urban transport. Self driving tuk tuks. Entire fleets of them (clean and electric, not two stroke) shuttling around cities, doing 80% of human journeys, to the shops and back, to the pub, and so on. At night the uberised autonomous tuk tuks will store themselves in underground garages

    Thus the urban car becomes obsolete, for most people

    I agree with the general idea, but split into two parts:

    There will be pool cars and vans (Uber, Enterprise, whatever) available on every street in urban Britain, and they will be cheap with scale and enormously popular. This will massively increase the amount of space available on residential streets - average mileage of personal cars is only 7,000 per year, and they spend most of their time parked. *

    However, most people, for most journeys, will get around on e-scooters (75% of car journeys in Edinburgh are single occupant, for example.)** They are used almost exclusively by arseholes at the moment but you can't escape the fact they are spectacularly efficient to store and run. That our legislation has so far stymied the scooter revolution is a gross failure.

    *Conspiracy theorists will cite Magna Carta in defence of their private vehicles and bomb a few pool cars, ULEZ style
    ** This will lead to an enormous spike in fatal road traffic collisions as cars and scooters begin to mix, but the revolution will survive it
    E Scooters are a massive safety risk, and their embrace by the anti carists is baffling.

    In most parts of the country they're banned from public roads.

    I say this as a non driver; private cars are simply not going to go away.
    They are also not much use in a climate where it seems to rain half the time. The western equivalent of the Tuk-tuk being promoted this morning is much more realistic.
    Job done.


  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,814

    Carnyx said:

    Nigelb said:

    Cyclefree said:

    viewcode said:

    GIN1138 said:

    isam said:
    The threats being faced by our MPs are very alarming. Throw in on-going antisemitism and it's a toxic mix.
    Indeed.
    A Labour member - Anne Clarke - of the London Assembly's reaction was to celebrate the announcement in a tweet actually attaching the Freer announcement. Threats of violence by extremists would seem to be ok if it forces Tories out. Let's hope the Labour leadership clearly condemns such behaviour and takes action against her.
    I would hope she is rapidly sanctioned for that.

    Post from the Labour candidate.

    https://twitter.com/sarahsackman/status/1752813172887576696
    I am shocked and sorry to hear that Mike Freer has decided to stand down at the next election and would like to thank him for his years of service to our community.
    We should have been able to face each other in the polls based on our ideas and merits. Instead, politics is now so often skewed by violent language, hate and the dangers of social media. I am determined for this to change…
    I say some negative things about some MPs. But even the thickest ones are trying to be public servants. The worst thing about the weaponisation of stupidity and ignorance in society is that people get angry and seek simple solutions. And one solution seemingly given the green light is to actually attack someone - psychologically and occasionally physically.

    MPs are human beings with feelings. Yes, even Gullis has feelings. We need to deweaponise politics - and the first step is to kick the Tories out and start trying to build some positivity in our politics. And the second step is kick the SNP out and do the same.
    This is why Rayner's 'scum' comments - and the very belated apology - were so wrong. And why those who congratulated her for the apology - only given after a fellow MP was murdered - were wrong. People feed off those sorts of comments.

    I tried to build some positivity on here the other day and it didn't seem to work. Everything's sh*t, apparently... :(
    I believe even some PBers fed off Rayner’s ‘scum’ comments, to the point of considering it an acceptable epithet for people they don’t like.
    Who?

    And besides, it's slightly different with a nobody on t'Internet talking about individuals and an elected official talking about entire groups.
    Online piety is not my favourite thing, but for it to have even a teensy bit of validity it's best that the sermoniser doesn't indulge in the same sort of activity.

    Still, the golden PB rule is always 'it's fine when I do it'.
    One does sometimes get the impression that certain PBers are apt to confuse a political movement with the green stuff on ponds. Maybe posting when taking the dog or lobster for a walk?
    "green stuff on ponds"

    Is this an obscure reference to political leadership by cutlery distribution?
    No, not the etiquette of eating asparagus.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,800
    Eabhal said:

    DavidL said:

    Mortimer said:

    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    You can see the future of urban transport here in Phnom Penh

    Anyone who has been to urban Asia will know the "tuk tuk" - a little two-stroke three wheel motorised "rickshaw" - extremely handy in dense urban environments, able to nip about much easier than cars, BUT also considerably safer than mopeds and motorbikes, and you can carry luggage etc

    Tuk-tuks in Phnom Penh (and Bangkok etc) have been Uberised. You can now summon them with an app like Grab. There are so many one will normally arrive, ready to go, within less than two minutes, often it is about 30 seconds - basically instantaneous

    Using the app the driver takes you where you want to go (no language problem) and the payment is made from your phone/card, no money changes hands (like Uber)

    It is a supremely efficient way of doing short-medium journeys in a big city

    Now, combine the Uberised Tuk Tuk with self driving. It won't be hard to make tuk-tuks autonomous, if they can do cars (tuk tuks are lighter, they won't be used for long journeys, and so forth)

    THAT is the future of urban transport. Self driving tuk tuks. Entire fleets of them (clean and electric, not two stroke) shuttling around cities, doing 80% of human journeys, to the shops and back, to the pub, and so on. At night the uberised autonomous tuk tuks will store themselves in underground garages

    Thus the urban car becomes obsolete, for most people

    I agree with the general idea, but split into two parts:

    There will be pool cars and vans (Uber, Enterprise, whatever) available on every street in urban Britain, and they will be cheap with scale and enormously popular. This will massively increase the amount of space available on residential streets - average mileage of personal cars is only 7,000 per year, and they spend most of their time parked. *

    However, most people, for most journeys, will get around on e-scooters (75% of car journeys in Edinburgh are single occupant, for example.)** They are used almost exclusively by arseholes at the moment but you can't escape the fact they are spectacularly efficient to store and run. That our legislation has so far stymied the scooter revolution is a gross failure.

    *Conspiracy theorists will cite Magna Carta in defence of their private vehicles and bomb a few pool cars, ULEZ style
    ** This will lead to an enormous spike in fatal road traffic collisions as cars and scooters begin to mix, but the revolution will survive it
    E Scooters are a massive safety risk, and their embrace by the anti carists is baffling.

    In most parts of the country they're banned from public roads.

    I say this as a non driver; private cars are simply not going to go away.
    They are also not much use in a climate where it seems to rain half the time. The western equivalent of the Tuk-tuk being promoted this morning is much more realistic.
    And yet, despite the fact they are illegal to use both on the roads and pavements, they are popular.
    Edinburgh is particularly afflicted. Almost never see one in Dundee.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,988

    Today might be greatest moment of European unity since the Battle of Waterloo.

    @SamCoatesSky

    An utterly fascinating picture. 👇🏻

    It’s THE inner sanctum of EU decision making. At a moment of crisis triggered by Victor Orban.

    Zoom in. Look closely at the faces. The decor. The table. The furniture.

    A moment of history. In a Feng Shui catastrophe.


  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,814

    Another win for an alumni of Cambridge.

    Donald Trump’s data protection claim over allegations he took part in “perverted” sex acts and gave bribes to Russian officials has been dismissed by a high court judge in London.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/feb/01/donald-trump-sex-bribes-data-protection-claim-rejected-by-uk-court

    Alumnus, alumnus ... unless that is what it is called there? In which case it may well be correct to speak of an alumni of Fenland U.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,800
    Pulpstar said:

    Sandpit said:

    Hamilton to Ferrari rumours again and I am here for it. Feels different this time…

    Personally, if I were in his shoes I’d stick with the team that’s won a hatful of championships in the past decade, rather than the team that hasn’t won since 2008 while regularly throwing away good results with poor strategy and unreliability.
    It's fake news.

    https://www.gpfans.com/en/f1-news/1012104/lewis-hamilton-mercedes-f1-return-for-marc-hynes-2024-season/


    Mark today’s date, it is one of those rare days that I am wrong.

    Lewis Hamilton could make a shock move to Ferrari for the 2025 season, BBC Sport understands.

    Several sources say claims of links between the seven-time champion and Ferrari should be taken seriously, but a deal is not yet confirmed.

    Ferrari want Hamilton to join Charles Leclerc for the 2025 season.

    The 39-year-old signed a new two-year deal with Mercedes for 2024 and 2025 last summer but it seems he can leave after one season, should he choose.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/68163799
    Sky confirm the deal, Sir Lewis joining Ferrari in 2025.

    Feels like a regressive move, Ferrari can’t organise a pregnancy on a council estate.
    Will anyone be able to stop Red Bull next season. Have the regs changed much from last season - which was the most dominant ever I think.

    The dominance from Verstappen was just bonkers -

    Wins: 19 (from 22 races)
    Best win percentage: 86.36% (breaking Alberto Ascari’s record that stood since 1952)
    Most consecutive wins: 10
    Podiums: 21 (out of 22)
    Points: 575 (out of 620 - 92.7% of possible points)
    Laps led: 1003 (out of 1383)
    And indescribably dull. I think I watched fewer GPs in the last season than any season for a couple of decades.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,420
    I see from the Guardian website that Ed Davey has today an article apologising for not ‘seeing through the Post Office lies’ over Horizon, and castigating Post Office management.
    I doubt whether that will stop the Tories blaming him.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,872

    Another win for an alumni of Cambridge.

    Donald Trump’s data protection claim over allegations he took part in “perverted” sex acts and gave bribes to Russian officials has been dismissed by a high court judge in London.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/feb/01/donald-trump-sex-bribes-data-protection-claim-rejected-by-uk-court

    I'm no Michael Gove but *an* alumni?
  • ClippPClippP Posts: 1,903
    algarkirk said:

    Leon said:

    Well that's the Tories ending up with fewer than 50 MPs at the next election.

    Tory plotters believe that Kemi Badenoch is best placed to succeed Rishi Sunak if they can manage to oust him in the coming months.

    The business and trade secretary has accused the plotters of “stirring” and said that they need to “stop messing around and get behind the leader”.

    However, the Tory rebels believe that Badenoch is the only candidate on the right who stands a chance of uniting the party and selling their policy platform.

    Suella Braverman, the former home secretary, is seen as too divisive among Tory MPs but Badenoch is perceived to have star quality.

    “The reaction to Suella is too vitriolic,” one MP familiar with the rebels’ thinking said. “She can’t run again. Kemi has the X factor, she has the capacity to cut through and communicate. She can carry off the policy platform that’s being drawn up.”

    They said she had the “added benefit” of being hated by the European Research Group of Eurosceptic Tory MPs. Badenoch clashed with them after she was accused of watering down plans to repeal EU laws. The MP said: “The ERG hate her, which means she’s inoculated by the left. She can bring people together.”

    Badenoch has had no involvement with the plotters and has gone out of her way to demonstrate her loyalty to Sunak and Downing Street. However, she has not ruled out another bid to be Tory leader should the opportunity arise.

    The rebel group is based in central London. The members are said to be working with about ten Tory MPs as they draw up plans to remove Sunak from office.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/the-plot-to-replace-rishi-sunak-with-kemi-badenoch-she-has-x-factor-nznn6q260

    They are completely insane

    Also, Badenoch is even more completely insane if she goes along with this, it will end her career, because the Tories will still go down to a massive defeat, and then she will have to resign

    Their only hope is to stick with Sunak, do some tax cuts, fix the bloody boats, and somehow scrape to 30% in the GE and make 150-200 seats. A bad defeat, but not apocalyptic

    They seem to PREFER the apocalypse
    I'm reminded of the story of Brer Rabbit and the tar baby. You know, the more he fought to free himself of the baby, the more stuck he got.

    The Conservatives must, surely, realise they're in trouble. But every attempt to break free makes things worse. That went for Truss's Tax Cuts. It's true for Stop The Boats; at the moment all the noise on the issue just highlights their impotence. That's true whether or not there's a feasible version of the scheme that would work. And rubbish as Rishi is, the alternatives look worse.

    So it looks like the Conservatives are losing, can only make things worse for themselves and can't walk away from the table because that would crystallise their loss. And don't have the sang-froid to play "Nearer, my God to Thee" really well as the ship.goes down.

    Grimly fascinating to watch. Like the slasher movie bits of nature documentaries.
    The one they haven't tried is: Clarity, honesty, maturity, integrity, politeness, shades of grey in place of black and white, consensus, centrism, understated intelligence and a moderate liberal tone of voice.
    Do you really see them all becoming Lib Dems? They may pretend to - they often have done - but they are not genuine.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,814
    edited February 1

    I see from the Guardian website that Ed Davey has today an article apologising for not ‘seeing through the Post Office lies’ over Horizon, and castigating Post Office management.
    I doubt whether that will stop the Tories blaming him.

    They blame anyone for anything if it's true and one apologises. They still blame anyone for anything if it isn't true. So what can one do but apologise - though early on?
  • Carnyx said:

    Another win for an alumni of Cambridge.

    Donald Trump’s data protection claim over allegations he took part in “perverted” sex acts and gave bribes to Russian officials has been dismissed by a high court judge in London.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/feb/01/donald-trump-sex-bribes-data-protection-claim-rejected-by-uk-court

    Alumnus, alumnus ... unless that is what it is called there? In which case it may well be correct to speak of an alumni of Fenland U.
    Fecking autocorrect.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,420
    Mortimer said:

    DavidL said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Turns out I was too depressed to do dry January. Happily I don't have any alcohol in the house, or...

    I've got a cabinet full. Tbh I do actually need to drink some or there'll be no room for whatever someone might get me for my birthday in June.
    My daughter's subjects at University, whatever they were actually called, always seemed to turn into sociology. She was asked to define middle class and came up with the answer people who store alcohol in their house for more than a month.

    I think its as good a working definition as any and of course fits into the difference between living hand to mouth and having that cushion so many of our fellow citizens just don't have.

    So, I'm afraid that's you labelled. Middle class.
    Quite right. Everyone else knows the best place to store it is in the cellar.
    I would if I could but I can’t. No cellar!
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,496
    Scott_xP said:

    Today might be greatest moment of European unity since the Battle of Waterloo.

    @SamCoatesSky

    An utterly fascinating picture. 👇🏻

    It’s THE inner sanctum of EU decision making. At a moment of crisis triggered by Victor Orban.

    Zoom in. Look closely at the faces. The decor. The table. The furniture.

    A moment of history. In a Feng Shui catastrophe.


    They should meet in Rochdale Town Hall. Astonishing

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/gallery/2024/jan/30/the-20m-renovation-of-rochdale-town-hall-in-pictures
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,814

    Carnyx said:

    Another win for an alumni of Cambridge.

    Donald Trump’s data protection claim over allegations he took part in “perverted” sex acts and gave bribes to Russian officials has been dismissed by a high court judge in London.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/feb/01/donald-trump-sex-bribes-data-protection-claim-rejected-by-uk-court

    Alumnus, alumnus ... unless that is what it is called there? In which case it may well be correct to speak of an alumni of Fenland U.
    Fecking autocorrect.
    Just as well you weren't talking about cooking foil.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,872
    Foxy said:

    Eabhal said:

    The corrosive substance attack in London is completely fucked. Victims, including a 3 year old, known to the attacker:

    BBC News - Clapham: Eight taken to hospital after south London 'acid' attack - BBC News
    https://www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-england-london-68164010

    Characteristic poor editing and science.

    The link specifies alkali injury...
    Acid is used as a generic term for any corrosive liquid thrown in victims' faces. It is not as if it matters very much because the immediate treatment is to wash it away. Bleach or drain clearer at a guess, simply because they are ubiquitous, the kitchen knife of corrosive liquids.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,582
    Pulpstar said:

    Sandpit said:

    Hamilton to Ferrari rumours again and I am here for it. Feels different this time…

    Personally, if I were in his shoes I’d stick with the team that’s won a hatful of championships in the past decade, rather than the team that hasn’t won since 2008 while regularly throwing away good results with poor strategy and unreliability.
    It's fake news.

    https://www.gpfans.com/en/f1-news/1012104/lewis-hamilton-mercedes-f1-return-for-marc-hynes-2024-season/


    Mark today’s date, it is one of those rare days that I am wrong.

    Lewis Hamilton could make a shock move to Ferrari for the 2025 season, BBC Sport understands.

    Several sources say claims of links between the seven-time champion and Ferrari should be taken seriously, but a deal is not yet confirmed.

    Ferrari want Hamilton to join Charles Leclerc for the 2025 season.

    The 39-year-old signed a new two-year deal with Mercedes for 2024 and 2025 last summer but it seems he can leave after one season, should he choose.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/68163799
    Sky confirm the deal, Sir Lewis joining Ferrari in 2025.

    Feels like a regressive move, Ferrari can’t organise a pregnancy on a council estate.
    Will anyone be able to stop Red Bull next season. Have the regs changed much from last season - which was the most dominant ever I think.

    The dominance from Verstappen was just bonkers -

    Wins: 19 (from 22 races)
    Best win percentage: 86.36% (breaking Alberto Ascari’s record that stood since 1952)
    Most consecutive wins: 10
    Podiums: 21 (out of 22)
    Points: 575 (out of 620 - 92.7% of possible points)
    Laps led: 1003 (out of 1383)
    I think Mercedes are going to be a lot closer, they understood what was wrong with the car last year but couldn’t fix it without a new design of chassis, the sim test drivers are said to be very impressed with it. Of course Red Bull will have also given up early on last year’s car, and concentrated on the new one!

    Rumour around that the Lewis to Ferrari deal is done, and that Mercedes have called an all-staff meeting for 14:00 today. I’ll still be surprised though, Ferrari haven’t been close to winning anything for more than a decade, apart from that very dodgy car they had in 2019.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,563

    Sandpit said:

    Hamilton to Ferrari rumours again and I am here for it. Feels different this time…

    Personally, if I were in his shoes I’d stick with the team that’s won a hatful of championships in the past decade, rather than the team that hasn’t won since 2008 while regularly throwing away good results with poor strategy and unreliability.
    It's fake news.

    https://www.gpfans.com/en/f1-news/1012104/lewis-hamilton-mercedes-f1-return-for-marc-hynes-2024-season/


    Mark today’s date, it is one of those rare days that I am wrong.

    Lewis Hamilton could make a shock move to Ferrari for the 2025 season, BBC Sport understands.

    Several sources say claims of links between the seven-time champion and Ferrari should be taken seriously, but a deal is not yet confirmed.

    Ferrari want Hamilton to join Charles Leclerc for the 2025 season.

    The 39-year-old signed a new two-year deal with Mercedes for 2024 and 2025 last summer but it seems he can leave after one season, should he choose.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/68163799
    Sky confirm the deal, Sir Lewis joining Ferrari in 2025.

    Feels like a regressive move, Ferrari can’t organise a pregnancy on a council estate.
    I'm minded to agree. Except people were saying similar when Hamilton moved from McLaren to Mercedes in 2013, and it turned out he made the move at exactly the correct point. It'll be interesting to see if anyone else moves with him.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,420
    algarkirk said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Today might be greatest moment of European unity since the Battle of Waterloo.

    @SamCoatesSky

    An utterly fascinating picture. 👇🏻

    It’s THE inner sanctum of EU decision making. At a moment of crisis triggered by Victor Orban.

    Zoom in. Look closely at the faces. The decor. The table. The furniture.

    A moment of history. In a Feng Shui catastrophe.


    They should meet in Rochdale Town Hall. Astonishing

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/gallery/2024/jan/30/the-20m-renovation-of-rochdale-town-hall-in-pictures
    It is an impressive building.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    @TheScreamingEagles Have you seen the tables for that YouGov that asked “if X was leader would it make you more or less likely to vote Conservative” that was in last Saturday’s Times?
    Still don’t seem to be on their website
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,183
    Sandpit said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Sandpit said:

    Hamilton to Ferrari rumours again and I am here for it. Feels different this time…

    Personally, if I were in his shoes I’d stick with the team that’s won a hatful of championships in the past decade, rather than the team that hasn’t won since 2008 while regularly throwing away good results with poor strategy and unreliability.
    It's fake news.

    https://www.gpfans.com/en/f1-news/1012104/lewis-hamilton-mercedes-f1-return-for-marc-hynes-2024-season/


    Mark today’s date, it is one of those rare days that I am wrong.

    Lewis Hamilton could make a shock move to Ferrari for the 2025 season, BBC Sport understands.

    Several sources say claims of links between the seven-time champion and Ferrari should be taken seriously, but a deal is not yet confirmed.

    Ferrari want Hamilton to join Charles Leclerc for the 2025 season.

    The 39-year-old signed a new two-year deal with Mercedes for 2024 and 2025 last summer but it seems he can leave after one season, should he choose.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/68163799
    Sky confirm the deal, Sir Lewis joining Ferrari in 2025.

    Feels like a regressive move, Ferrari can’t organise a pregnancy on a council estate.
    Will anyone be able to stop Red Bull next season. Have the regs changed much from last season - which was the most dominant ever I think.

    The dominance from Verstappen was just bonkers -

    Wins: 19 (from 22 races)
    Best win percentage: 86.36% (breaking Alberto Ascari’s record that stood since 1952)
    Most consecutive wins: 10
    Podiums: 21 (out of 22)
    Points: 575 (out of 620 - 92.7% of possible points)
    Laps led: 1003 (out of 1383)
    I think Mercedes are going to be a lot closer, they understood what was wrong with the car last year but couldn’t fix it without a new design of chassis, the sim test drivers are said to be very impressed with it. Of course Red Bull will have also given up early on last year’s car, and concentrated on the new one!

    Rumour around that the Lewis to Ferrari deal is done, and that Mercedes have called an all-staff meeting for 14:00 today. I’ll still be surprised though, Ferrari haven’t been close to winning anything for more than a decade, apart from that very dodgy car they had in 2019.
    Who will get the Mercedes seat ?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,582
    Knowledgable F1 journalists saying the story has legs.

  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,742
    DavidL said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Sandpit said:

    Hamilton to Ferrari rumours again and I am here for it. Feels different this time…

    Personally, if I were in his shoes I’d stick with the team that’s won a hatful of championships in the past decade, rather than the team that hasn’t won since 2008 while regularly throwing away good results with poor strategy and unreliability.
    It's fake news.

    https://www.gpfans.com/en/f1-news/1012104/lewis-hamilton-mercedes-f1-return-for-marc-hynes-2024-season/


    Mark today’s date, it is one of those rare days that I am wrong.

    Lewis Hamilton could make a shock move to Ferrari for the 2025 season, BBC Sport understands.

    Several sources say claims of links between the seven-time champion and Ferrari should be taken seriously, but a deal is not yet confirmed.

    Ferrari want Hamilton to join Charles Leclerc for the 2025 season.

    The 39-year-old signed a new two-year deal with Mercedes for 2024 and 2025 last summer but it seems he can leave after one season, should he choose.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/68163799
    Sky confirm the deal, Sir Lewis joining Ferrari in 2025.

    Feels like a regressive move, Ferrari can’t organise a pregnancy on a council estate.
    Will anyone be able to stop Red Bull next season. Have the regs changed much from last season - which was the most dominant ever I think.

    The dominance from Verstappen was just bonkers -

    Wins: 19 (from 22 races)
    Best win percentage: 86.36% (breaking Alberto Ascari’s record that stood since 1952)
    Most consecutive wins: 10
    Podiums: 21 (out of 22)
    Points: 575 (out of 620 - 92.7% of possible points)
    Laps led: 1003 (out of 1383)
    And indescribably dull. I think I watched fewer GPs in the last season than any season for a couple of decades.
    It doesn't help that the person who's dominant is not very nice. And neither are quite a lot of his fans. Granted, he's not the first F1 driver to be like that but still, unideal.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Mike Freer standing down is a symptom of a new, worrying political phenomenon. Political sectarianism is now here and it won't go away. We must protect our MPs.

    https://x.com/nigel_farage/status/1752981445839040952?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,582
    Pulpstar said:

    Sandpit said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Sandpit said:

    Hamilton to Ferrari rumours again and I am here for it. Feels different this time…

    Personally, if I were in his shoes I’d stick with the team that’s won a hatful of championships in the past decade, rather than the team that hasn’t won since 2008 while regularly throwing away good results with poor strategy and unreliability.
    It's fake news.

    https://www.gpfans.com/en/f1-news/1012104/lewis-hamilton-mercedes-f1-return-for-marc-hynes-2024-season/


    Mark today’s date, it is one of those rare days that I am wrong.

    Lewis Hamilton could make a shock move to Ferrari for the 2025 season, BBC Sport understands.

    Several sources say claims of links between the seven-time champion and Ferrari should be taken seriously, but a deal is not yet confirmed.

    Ferrari want Hamilton to join Charles Leclerc for the 2025 season.

    The 39-year-old signed a new two-year deal with Mercedes for 2024 and 2025 last summer but it seems he can leave after one season, should he choose.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/68163799
    Sky confirm the deal, Sir Lewis joining Ferrari in 2025.

    Feels like a regressive move, Ferrari can’t organise a pregnancy on a council estate.
    Will anyone be able to stop Red Bull next season. Have the regs changed much from last season - which was the most dominant ever I think.

    The dominance from Verstappen was just bonkers -

    Wins: 19 (from 22 races)
    Best win percentage: 86.36% (breaking Alberto Ascari’s record that stood since 1952)
    Most consecutive wins: 10
    Podiums: 21 (out of 22)
    Points: 575 (out of 620 - 92.7% of possible points)
    Laps led: 1003 (out of 1383)
    I think Mercedes are going to be a lot closer, they understood what was wrong with the car last year but couldn’t fix it without a new design of chassis, the sim test drivers are said to be very impressed with it. Of course Red Bull will have also given up early on last year’s car, and concentrated on the new one!

    Rumour around that the Lewis to Ferrari deal is done, and that Mercedes have called an all-staff meeting for 14:00 today. I’ll still be surprised though, Ferrari haven’t been close to winning anything for more than a decade, apart from that very dodgy car they had in 2019.
    Who will get the Mercedes seat ?
    Favourite would probably be Piastri if they can get him away from McLaren, if not then Albon or Norris.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,047
    isam said:

    Mike Freer standing down is a symptom of a new, worrying political phenomenon. Political sectarianism is now here and it won't go away. We must protect our MPs.

    https://x.com/nigel_farage/status/1752981445839040952?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Aww, how sweet that the person who has done more than most to encourage political sectarianism is now worried about it.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,256
    isam said:

    Mike Freer standing down is a symptom of a new, worrying political phenomenon. Political sectarianism is now here and it won't go away. We must protect our MPs.

    https://x.com/nigel_farage/status/1752981445839040952?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    The implications are profoundly bleak

    Multiculturalism, eh. What a frigging disaster
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,183
    edited February 1
    What do people think for the BoE ?

    Most to least likely to vote for a cut.

    I reckon the vote will split

    Swati Dhingra - LOWER
    Sarah Breeden - HOLD
    Ben Broadbent - HOLD
    Huw Pill - HOLD
    Andrew Bailey - HOLD. Will emphasise that we need to hold steady for now. Hint at a possible cut around June maybe.
    Dave Ramsden - HOLD
    Jonathan Haskel - HOLD
    Catherine L Mann - RAISE
    Megan Greene - RAISE for sure. She's like the Sherriff of Nottingham.

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,067
    edited February 1
    Scott_xP said:

    Today might be greatest moment of European unity since the Battle of Waterloo.

    @SamCoatesSky

    An utterly fascinating picture. 👇🏻

    It’s THE inner sanctum of EU decision making. At a moment of crisis triggered by Victor Orban.

    Zoom in. Look closely at the faces. The decor. The table. The furniture.

    A moment of history. In a Feng Shui catastrophe.


    They save the nice rooms for meetings without Orban ?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,068
    Leon said:

    File Under: OO-er

    Humans prefer AI-generated copy, survey finds
    The survey of 700 U.S. consumers found that AI-generated content was preferred by humans more than human-generated content.


    https://searchengineland.com/human-vs-ai-generated-content-survey-437062

    Polls show that the youth prefer AI content! Many discuss AI content as the interest of the time. It makes many happy and joy! AI content can be split into early AI, today AI, and future AI. Many prefer today AI but future AI may be better. Some think it may be worse but others better (shows stock graphics of current moving thru a circuit, people moving thru a financial district, something in fast motion, whatever...
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,240

    Mortimer said:

    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    You can see the future of urban transport here in Phnom Penh

    Anyone who has been to urban Asia will know the "tuk tuk" - a little two-stroke three wheel motorised "rickshaw" - extremely handy in dense urban environments, able to nip about much easier than cars, BUT also considerably safer than mopeds and motorbikes, and you can carry luggage etc

    Tuk-tuks in Phnom Penh (and Bangkok etc) have been Uberised. You can now summon them with an app like Grab. There are so many one will normally arrive, ready to go, within less than two minutes, often it is about 30 seconds - basically instantaneous

    Using the app the driver takes you where you want to go (no language problem) and the payment is made from your phone/card, no money changes hands (like Uber)

    It is a supremely efficient way of doing short-medium journeys in a big city

    Now, combine the Uberised Tuk Tuk with self driving. It won't be hard to make tuk-tuks autonomous, if they can do cars (tuk tuks are lighter, they won't be used for long journeys, and so forth)

    THAT is the future of urban transport. Self driving tuk tuks. Entire fleets of them (clean and electric, not two stroke) shuttling around cities, doing 80% of human journeys, to the shops and back, to the pub, and so on. At night the uberised autonomous tuk tuks will store themselves in underground garages

    Thus the urban car becomes obsolete, for most people

    I agree with the general idea, but split into two parts:

    There will be pool cars and vans (Uber, Enterprise, whatever) available on every street in urban Britain, and they will be cheap with scale and enormously popular. This will massively increase the amount of space available on residential streets - average mileage of personal cars is only 7,000 per year, and they spend most of their time parked. *

    However, most people, for most journeys, will get around on e-scooters (75% of car journeys in Edinburgh are single occupant, for example.)** They are used almost exclusively by arseholes at the moment but you can't escape the fact they are spectacularly efficient to store and run. That our legislation has so far stymied the scooter revolution is a gross failure.

    *Conspiracy theorists will cite Magna Carta in defence of their private vehicles and bomb a few pool cars, ULEZ style
    ** This will lead to an enormous spike in fatal road traffic collisions as cars and scooters begin to mix, but the revolution will survive it
    E Scooters are a massive safety risk, and their embrace by the anti carists is baffling.

    In most parts of the country they're banned from public roads.

    I say this as a non driver; private cars are simply not going to go away.
    E-scooters and Deliveroo E-bikes. Total menace.
    It's a bit like timeshares and crypto currency. The idea isn't insane. It's just that a sizeable percentage of the people involved are....
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,355
    Pah

    DavidL said:

    A big shout out to all PBers celebrating Imbolc today.

    Think it might actually be tomorrow?
    https://www.bing.com/search?q=when+is+imbolc+2024&qs=AS&pq=when+is+imbolc&sk=SS1&sc=10-14&cvid=F920A2F5E4EC4B37A3352E2C0A2E2DDF&FORM=QBRE&sp=2&lq=0

    But I am starting a dry month today. If you are going to have a dry month its best to pick a short one and January is just too depressing without alcohol anyway. As Spring comes and it gets easier to get out the temptation to sit in and drink will hopefully be less.
    Mr Wikipedia says:

    "Imbolc or Imbolg (Irish pronunciation: [ɪˈmˠɔlˠɡ]), also called Saint Brigid's Day (Irish: Lá Fhéile Bríde; Scottish Gaelic: Là Fhèill Brìghde; Manx: Laa'l Breeshey), is a Gaelic traditional festival. It marks the beginning of spring, and for Christians, it is the feast day of Saint Brigid, Ireland's patroness saint. It is held on 1 February,..."

    I have tomorrow down as Candlemas.
    I think that, traditionally, the Irish festivals would have been on the cross-quarter days, the midpoints between solstice and equinox, which I think this year is coincidentally on the 5th, the Monday which is a bank holiday here.

    But may as well spend the whole five days celebrating...
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,814

    isam said:

    Mike Freer standing down is a symptom of a new, worrying political phenomenon. Political sectarianism is now here and it won't go away. We must protect our MPs.

    https://x.com/nigel_farage/status/1752981445839040952?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Aww, how sweet that the person who has done more than most to encourage political sectarianism is now worried about it.
    "Political sectarianism is now here" - I didn't know NI wasn't part of the UK, even if one discounts aspects of West Central Belt and Merseyside politics in the mid-C20.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,068
    DavidL said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Turns out I was too depressed to do dry January. Happily I don't have any alcohol in the house, or...

    I've got a cabinet full. Tbh I do actually need to drink some or there'll be no room for whatever someone might get me for my birthday in June.
    My daughter's subjects at University, whatever they were actually called, always seemed to turn into sociology. She was asked to define middle class and came up with the answer people who store alcohol in their house for more than a month.

    I think its as good a working definition as any and of course fits into the difference between living hand to mouth and having that cushion so many of our fellow citizens just don't have.

    So, I'm afraid that's you labelled. Middle class.
    YESSSS! MADE ITTTTT!

    (one of my jobs pays me in wine. Yes really. I don't drink except on social occasions. I can't get rid of it and end up giving it to the plumber)
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,051
    viewcode said:

    Leon said:

    File Under: OO-er

    Humans prefer AI-generated copy, survey finds
    The survey of 700 U.S. consumers found that AI-generated content was preferred by humans more than human-generated content.


    https://searchengineland.com/human-vs-ai-generated-content-survey-437062

    Polls show that the youth prefer AI content! Many discuss AI content as the interest of the time. It makes many happy and joy! AI content can be split into early AI, today AI, and future AI. Many prefer today AI but future AI may be better. Some think it may be worse but others better (shows stock graphics of current moving thru a circuit, people moving thru a financial district, something in fast motion, whatever...
    See also the BBC website, which now resembles Buzzfeed.

    People rarely get a chance to read good prose, so I suppose the youth have never seen it.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,953
    edited February 1
    Leon said:

    isam said:

    Mike Freer standing down is a symptom of a new, worrying political phenomenon. Political sectarianism is now here and it won't go away. We must protect our MPs.

    https://x.com/nigel_farage/status/1752981445839040952?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    The implications are profoundly bleak

    Multiculturalism, eh. What a frigging disaster
    Yep, letting in Thomas Death To Traitors Freedom For Britain Mair was a grievous mistake.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,240
    Carnyx said:

    isam said:

    Mike Freer standing down is a symptom of a new, worrying political phenomenon. Political sectarianism is now here and it won't go away. We must protect our MPs.

    https://x.com/nigel_farage/status/1752981445839040952?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Aww, how sweet that the person who has done more than most to encourage political sectarianism is now worried about it.
    "Political sectarianism is now here" - I didn't know NI wasn't part of the UK, even if one discounts aspects of West Central Belt and Merseyside politics in the mid-C20.
    I think, sadly, we will need to go down the American route. Threats - even "I was only" joking - against politicians treated as serious crimes. As in make a threat, go to actual prison.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,563
    It'll be interesting to see how the Tifosi react to Hamilton at Ferrari. Will they throw a black cat at him again?

    (Weirdly, the Tifosi (Ferrari fans) seem to really matter to Ferrari. It's much more like a football team than any other F1 team; Tifosi moans can even lead to changes in management.)
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,067

    It'll be interesting to see how the Tifosi react to Hamilton at Ferrari. Will they throw a black cat at him again?

    (Weirdly, the Tifosi (Ferrari fans) seem to really matter to Ferrari. It's much more like a football team than any other F1 team; Tifosi moans can even lead to changes in management.)

    If he wins, they will love him.
    If not, it could be ugly.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,631

    Foxy said:

    Eabhal said:

    The corrosive substance attack in London is completely fucked. Victims, including a 3 year old, known to the attacker:

    BBC News - Clapham: Eight taken to hospital after south London 'acid' attack - BBC News
    https://www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-england-london-68164010

    Characteristic poor editing and science.

    The link specifies alkali injury...
    Acid is used as a generic term for any corrosive liquid thrown in victims' faces. It is not as if it matters very much because the immediate treatment is to wash it away. Bleach or drain clearer at a guess, simply because they are ubiquitous, the kitchen knife of corrosive liquids.
    It matters a great deal.

    Acid coagulation surface proteins so doesn't penetrate deeply into tissues. Alkali turns lipid membranes into soap so penetrates much deeper, particularly mucous membranes, and most critically airways.

    First aid is identical with copious irrigation, but needs to continue much longer, and airway alkali burns cause severe oedema that can obstruct breathing.

  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,800
    Scott_xP said:

    Today might be greatest moment of European unity since the Battle of Waterloo.

    @SamCoatesSky

    An utterly fascinating picture. 👇🏻

    It’s THE inner sanctum of EU decision making. At a moment of crisis triggered by Victor Orban.

    Zoom in. Look closely at the faces. The decor. The table. The furniture.

    A moment of history. In a Feng Shui catastrophe.


    One wonders where they stored the furniture they normally kept in that room.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,814

    Carnyx said:

    isam said:

    Mike Freer standing down is a symptom of a new, worrying political phenomenon. Political sectarianism is now here and it won't go away. We must protect our MPs.

    https://x.com/nigel_farage/status/1752981445839040952?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Aww, how sweet that the person who has done more than most to encourage political sectarianism is now worried about it.
    "Political sectarianism is now here" - I didn't know NI wasn't part of the UK, even if one discounts aspects of West Central Belt and Merseyside politics in the mid-C20.
    I think, sadly, we will need to go down the American route. Threats - even "I was only" joking - against politicians treated as serious crimes. As in make a threat, go to actual prison.
    It's curious that one can talk online about bombing an airliner and end up in jail. But a named human being, not so much.

  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,479
    Regardless of Irish festivals, Spring begins on 21 March, as any fule kno…………….
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,776
    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    Mortimer said:

    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    You can see the future of urban transport here in Phnom Penh

    Anyone who has been to urban Asia will know the "tuk tuk" - a little two-stroke three wheel motorised "rickshaw" - extremely handy in dense urban environments, able to nip about much easier than cars, BUT also considerably safer than mopeds and motorbikes, and you can carry luggage etc

    Tuk-tuks in Phnom Penh (and Bangkok etc) have been Uberised. You can now summon them with an app like Grab. There are so many one will normally arrive, ready to go, within less than two minutes, often it is about 30 seconds - basically instantaneous

    Using the app the driver takes you where you want to go (no language problem) and the payment is made from your phone/card, no money changes hands (like Uber)

    It is a supremely efficient way of doing short-medium journeys in a big city

    Now, combine the Uberised Tuk Tuk with self driving. It won't be hard to make tuk-tuks autonomous, if they can do cars (tuk tuks are lighter, they won't be used for long journeys, and so forth)

    THAT is the future of urban transport. Self driving tuk tuks. Entire fleets of them (clean and electric, not two stroke) shuttling around cities, doing 80% of human journeys, to the shops and back, to the pub, and so on. At night the uberised autonomous tuk tuks will store themselves in underground garages

    Thus the urban car becomes obsolete, for most people

    I agree with the general idea, but split into two parts:

    There will be pool cars and vans (Uber, Enterprise, whatever) available on every street in urban Britain, and they will be cheap with scale and enormously popular. This will massively increase the amount of space available on residential streets - average mileage of personal cars is only 7,000 per year, and they spend most of their time parked. *

    However, most people, for most journeys, will get around on e-scooters (75% of car journeys in Edinburgh are single occupant, for example.)** They are used almost exclusively by arseholes at the moment but you can't escape the fact they are spectacularly efficient to store and run. That our legislation has so far stymied the scooter revolution is a gross failure.

    *Conspiracy theorists will cite Magna Carta in defence of their private vehicles and bomb a few pool cars, ULEZ style
    ** This will lead to an enormous spike in fatal road traffic collisions as cars and scooters begin to mix, but the revolution will survive it
    E Scooters are a massive safety risk, and their embrace by the anti carists is baffling.

    In most parts of the country they're banned from public roads.

    I say this as a non driver; private cars are simply not going to go away.
    They will go away in London if we introduce my brilliant driverless e-tuktuk idea

    Why spend all that money on a car if these things can whizz you about so quickly and efficiently. Sure some people will still want cars for status but you can’t legislate for insecure idiots

    And we will save millions of lives. No more drink driving. No more falling asleep at the wheel. No more cars running over kids

    It’s coming
    Will they navigate with what 3 words?
    Leon's idea is brilliant, but he may or may not be disappointed to know that it is not entirely original, and variants of it are being considered and have been considered for some time, by both public and private sector in the UK and elsewhere. Indeed, Uber's business model relies on driverless technology working: it only becomes profitable once you can elminate drivers, who are a massive part of the cost of a taxi; and minimise fuel costs, ditto.

    The problem with driverless cars in cities is that you drive down the cost of trips, which drives up trips, which causes congestion (especially once you factor in all those empty vehicles making trips to their next pickup or to overnight stabling). Whichever way you slice it, driverless cars are much more space hungry than mass transit. Tuktuks or similar do something to address this (clearly they take up less road space), but do not entirely eliminate the problem. They would talk to each other, so would use road space more efficiently, but might not lead to a pleasant urban environment to have hundreds of tuktuks constantly whizzing about (but better or worse than fewer, but noisier and more polluting, cars?)
    What you would get out of this is the virtual elmination of pavement parking, which would significantly improve road usage and lead to a more pleasant urban environment.

    Anyway, Leon - rest assured it's a worthwhile idea and it's being explored.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,067
    I hope the RN is paying attention to the naval war in the Black Sea.
    A lot of conventional kit is going to become obsolete. However crap the Russian navy, drone attacks are just too cost effective for it not to affect western navies too.

    Ukraine’s Military Intelligence Directorate GUR says its Group 13 special unit overnight destroyed Russia’s Ivanovets missile ship with sea drones, sharing a video purporting to show the attack off the coast of occupied Crimea. GUR says the warship “rolled to the stern and sank.”
    https://twitter.com/ChristopherJM/status/1753015072014639303
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,051
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Eabhal said:

    The corrosive substance attack in London is completely fucked. Victims, including a 3 year old, known to the attacker:

    BBC News - Clapham: Eight taken to hospital after south London 'acid' attack - BBC News
    https://www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-england-london-68164010

    Characteristic poor editing and science.

    The link specifies alkali injury...
    Acid is used as a generic term for any corrosive liquid thrown in victims' faces. It is not as if it matters very much because the immediate treatment is to wash it away. Bleach or drain clearer at a guess, simply because they are ubiquitous, the kitchen knife of corrosive liquids.
    It matters a great deal.

    Acid coagulation surface proteins so doesn't penetrate deeply into tissues. Alkali turns lipid membranes into soap so penetrates much deeper, particularly mucous membranes, and most critically airways.

    First aid is identical with copious irrigation, but needs to continue much longer, and airway alkali burns cause severe oedema that can obstruct breathing.

    Jesus. And it’s not like we can ban the products. This needs to be treated more like torture than assault, and the culprit never to see the outside world again. Not much consolation to the victim though.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,355
    edited February 1
    Another Russian warship sunk by Ukrainian drones.
    The caption that went with the photo was: Russian MoD be like: "attacks repelled"
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 8,723
    edited February 1

    Mortimer said:

    DavidL said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Turns out I was too depressed to do dry January. Happily I don't have any alcohol in the house, or...

    I've got a cabinet full. Tbh I do actually need to drink some or there'll be no room for whatever someone might get me for my birthday in June.
    My daughter's subjects at University, whatever they were actually called, always seemed to turn into sociology. She was asked to define middle class and came up with the answer people who store alcohol in their house for more than a month.

    I think its as good a working definition as any and of course fits into the difference between living hand to mouth and having that cushion so many of our fellow citizens just don't have.

    So, I'm afraid that's you labelled. Middle class.
    Quite right. Everyone else knows the best place to store it is in the cellar.
    I would if I could but I can’t. No cellar!
    And therefore you are, of course, only middle class :disappointed:

    Last (and only) time I had a cellar was in a student house at uni. But I don't think we stored alcohol anywhere for more than a day or two at most.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,067
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Eabhal said:

    The corrosive substance attack in London is completely fucked. Victims, including a 3 year old, known to the attacker:

    BBC News - Clapham: Eight taken to hospital after south London 'acid' attack - BBC News
    https://www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-england-london-68164010

    Characteristic poor editing and science.

    The link specifies alkali injury...
    Acid is used as a generic term for any corrosive liquid thrown in victims' faces. It is not as if it matters very much because the immediate treatment is to wash it away. Bleach or drain clearer at a guess, simply because they are ubiquitous, the kitchen knife of corrosive liquids.
    It matters a great deal.

    Acid coagulation surface proteins so doesn't penetrate deeply into tissues. Alkali turns lipid membranes into soap so penetrates much deeper, particularly mucous membranes, and most critically airways.

    First aid is identical with copious irrigation, but needs to continue much longer, and airway alkali burns cause severe oedema that can obstruct breathing.

    Bleach attacks are particularly vile.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,051

    Carnyx said:

    isam said:

    Mike Freer standing down is a symptom of a new, worrying political phenomenon. Political sectarianism is now here and it won't go away. We must protect our MPs.

    https://x.com/nigel_farage/status/1752981445839040952?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Aww, how sweet that the person who has done more than most to encourage political sectarianism is now worried about it.
    "Political sectarianism is now here" - I didn't know NI wasn't part of the UK, even if one discounts aspects of West Central Belt and Merseyside politics in the mid-C20.
    I think, sadly, we will need to go down the American route. Threats - even "I was only" joking - against politicians treated as serious crimes. As in make a threat, go to actual prison.
    I would go the opposite way. I dislike the idea of thought crimes, so rather than criminalise the threat, increase the security of those who get threatened. We owe our MPs a protective bubble. All of them.
  • https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/48526-voting-intention-con-23-lab-44-30-31-jan-2024

    Latest YouGov Westminster voting intention (30-31 Jan)

    Con: 23% (+3 from 23-24 Jan)
    Lab: 44% (-3)
    Lib Dem: 9% (+1)
    Reform UK: 12% (-1)
    Green: 6% (=)
    SNP: 3% (-1)

    This is the opposite movement to Savanta's poll published this morning.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,240
    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    isam said:

    Mike Freer standing down is a symptom of a new, worrying political phenomenon. Political sectarianism is now here and it won't go away. We must protect our MPs.

    https://x.com/nigel_farage/status/1752981445839040952?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Aww, how sweet that the person who has done more than most to encourage political sectarianism is now worried about it.
    "Political sectarianism is now here" - I didn't know NI wasn't part of the UK, even if one discounts aspects of West Central Belt and Merseyside politics in the mid-C20.
    I think, sadly, we will need to go down the American route. Threats - even "I was only" joking - against politicians treated as serious crimes. As in make a threat, go to actual prison.
    It's curious that one can talk online about bombing an airliner and end up in jail. But a named human being, not so much.

    Not especially - it's about adapting to happenings.

    In the UK, it was down to the PIRA. They had only a small number of people prepared to kill. But a legion of hangers on. One of their bright ideas was to get these people to phone in hoax threats against targets they would not actually attack. Airports for example. Cause confusion, chaos and economic damage. So the law was changed to make threats against airports and aircraft a terrorism grade offence.

    One suggestion about the peace process is that it was kicked forward by the attack on the runway Heathrow. Merely by a matter of timing, it could have caused an aircraft to crash on takeoff. Pretty much every aircraft out of Heathrow has some US citizens on that. So the theory goes, this gave the peace faction in the PIRA council a powerful argument that if they continued escalating their economic targets campaign, they would get to FuckAroundAndFindOut. The US banks were already asking the US government to deal with the issue, re The City.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,563
    edited February 1
    Nigelb said:

    It'll be interesting to see how the Tifosi react to Hamilton at Ferrari. Will they throw a black cat at him again?

    (Weirdly, the Tifosi (Ferrari fans) seem to really matter to Ferrari. It's much more like a football team than any other F1 team; Tifosi moans can even lead to changes in management.)

    If he wins, they will love him.
    If not, it could be ugly.
    They loved Mansell, and he didn't always win. They called him 'Il Leone'. It might be because he won on his first outing, or because he was the last driver that the boss personally picked to drive for Ferrari. Or perhaps because of his rather (ahem) idiosyncratic driving style and character...

    I don't think there's that much logic behind the tifosi's views, much like many fans.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,563

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    isam said:

    Mike Freer standing down is a symptom of a new, worrying political phenomenon. Political sectarianism is now here and it won't go away. We must protect our MPs.

    https://x.com/nigel_farage/status/1752981445839040952?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Aww, how sweet that the person who has done more than most to encourage political sectarianism is now worried about it.
    "Political sectarianism is now here" - I didn't know NI wasn't part of the UK, even if one discounts aspects of West Central Belt and Merseyside politics in the mid-C20.
    I think, sadly, we will need to go down the American route. Threats - even "I was only" joking - against politicians treated as serious crimes. As in make a threat, go to actual prison.
    It's curious that one can talk online about bombing an airliner and end up in jail. But a named human being, not so much.

    Not especially - it's about adapting to happenings.

    In the UK, it was down to the PIRA. They had only a small number of people prepared to kill. But a legion of hangers on. One of their bright ideas was to get these people to phone in hoax threats against targets they would not actually attack. Airports for example. Cause confusion, chaos and economic damage. So the law was changed to make threats against airports and aircraft a terrorism grade offence.

    One suggestion about the peace process is that it was kicked forward by the attack on the runway Heathrow. Merely by a matter of timing, it could have caused an aircraft to crash on takeoff. Pretty much every aircraft out of Heathrow has some US citizens on that. So the theory goes, this gave the peace faction in the PIRA council a powerful argument that if they continued escalating their economic targets campaign, they would get to FuckAroundAndFindOut. The US banks were already asking the US government to deal with the issue, re The City.
    I know a funny story about the PIRA and a phoned-in bomb threat. I probably can't say it here, though.

    Let's just say the PIRA's information was sometimes out of date...
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,355

    Regardless of Irish festivals, Spring begins on 21 March, as any fule kno…………….

    That might be your personal, idiosyncratic, definition, but the idea of sorting starting on any single day is a human simplification for what is a gradual process, and so many different definitions are both popular and useful.

    There is no meaningful way in which you can insist that your definition is right.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,183
    The snowdrops have come out in our garden, which I always feel marks the beginning of the end of winter.
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