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One of these tweets is a spoof, can you guess which one? – politicalbetting.com

This tweet, just takes the piss.A Network North Project in London. pic.twitter.com/gAZvwx88de

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  • Only good thing Sunak has done is bring back David Cameron.
  • Only good thing Sunak has done is bring back David Cameron.

    I made this post yesterday. I am your inspiration once again.
  • Only good thing Sunak has done is bring back David Cameron.

    I've been labouring this point since the 13th of November.

    Mark my words, when Starmer wins the election he will ask David Cameron to remain Foreign Secretary.
  • williamglenn
    williamglenn Posts: 56,290
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    I came.
  • Only good thing Sunak has done is bring back David Cameron.

    I've been labouring this point since the 13th of November.

    Mark my words, when Starmer wins the election he will ask David Cameron to remain Foreign Secretary.
    OK, I will mark them.
  • Endillion
    Endillion Posts: 4,976
    QTWTAIIDNTBIKITSO.
  • Bizarro thing is that it doesn't even make electoral sense.

    The metropolis votes for those damn socialists anyway.
  • Tres
    Tres Posts: 2,927

    Only good thing Sunak has done is bring back David Cameron.

    Good for China?
  • Nigelb
    Nigelb Posts: 79,357

    Only good thing Sunak has done is bring back David Cameron.

    I've been labouring this point since the 13th of November.

    Mark my words, when Starmer wins the election he will ask David Cameron to remain Foreign Secretary.
    OK, I will mark them.
    2/10 ?
  • Win a historic victory promising to invest in and level up the North; winning scores of northern Labour seats in the process.

    Spend the next 4.5 years doing sod all.

    If I were a Tory MP in a red wall seat, or a red wall voter, I would feel utterly betrayed by those at the top of the Party.

    The Tories deserve to lose the next election for many reasons, but this is a particularly good one.

  • pm215
    pm215 Posts: 1,302
    Will we see the "my constituents are revolting" quote appear in Labour attack leaflets in Dines' constituency? :-)
  • Nigelb
    Nigelb Posts: 79,357
  • Northern_Al
    Northern_Al Posts: 8,953

    Only good thing Sunak has done is bring back David Cameron.

    I've been labouring this point since the 13th of November.

    Mark my words, when Starmer wins the election he will ask David Cameron to remain Foreign Secretary.
    Actually, David Lammy is doing a pretty good job as Shadow FS. You can tell that's the case because he's given neither the Tories nor the press the opportunity to rip him apart.
  • ydoethur
    ydoethur Posts: 74,263

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    I came.
    You shot one off?
  • ydoethur said:

    Health warning for @AverageNinja :

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    I came.
    You shot one off?
    What a sexy man SKS is, woof woof
  • Nigelb
    Nigelb Posts: 79,357

    Win a historic victory promising to invest in and level up the North; winning scores of northern Labour seats in the process.

    Spend the next 4.5 years doing sod all.

    If I were a Tory MP in a red wall seat, or a red wall voter, I would feel utterly betrayed by those at the top of the Party.

    Why would the MPs feel betrayed ?
    They're part of the problem, FFS.
  • The Tories have delivered Labour seats in the North for the next fifty years with their antics.

    By also pissing off their own core vote in the south - something I warned would happen when people were proclaiming 10 years of Johnson - they've made their support base tiny.

    They are basically a fringe party at this point, quite incredible to see. It's easily possible the Tories never govern again.
  • Cookie
    Cookie Posts: 15,685
    The text which preceded the graphic in the tweet was, if anything, even more of a fuck you. Basically "by cancelling massive infrastructure projects for the north we are able to spend even more on London". I can only think it must have been put together by one of those Londoners who think most people live in London.
  • Cookie said:

    The text which preceded the graphic in the tweet was, if anything, even more of a fuck you. Basically "by cancelling massive infrastructure projects for the north we are able to spend even more on London". I can only think it must have been put together by one of those Londoners who think most people live in London.

    I thought somebody at the Civil Service was trolling, reminded me of that Tweet during the era of Cummings
  • One of my all time favourite photos to use in PB headers.


  • ydoethur
    ydoethur Posts: 74,263
    Thinking of orgasms and for some reason, also horses:

    Here is a famous scene from Ridley Scott's 1977 film the Duellists.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtQcQByWSgw

    The woman keeps laughing.

    The reason is because she's noticed the stallion is getting in on the love making action (seconds 30-48) by having a massive erection.

    (Apparently the mare was in season.)
  • I'm back home for Christmas and we are having a yummy vegetarian puff pastry pizza tonight. That is all.
  • ydoethur
    ydoethur Posts: 74,263

    I'm back home for Christmas and we are having a yummy vegetarian puff pastry pizza tonight. That is all.

    I trust no pineapples were hurt in the making of this pizza?
  • Cookie said:

    The text which preceded the graphic in the tweet was, if anything, even more of a fuck you. Basically "by cancelling massive infrastructure projects for the north we are able to spend even more on London". I can only think it must have been put together by one of those Londoners who think most people live in London.

    The reality is most of the money being spent of "Network North" was going to have been spent regardless of HS2.

    NN was just cobbled together to include as much as possible, some into the mid 2030s, much nothing to do with the north, so that Rishi could present a big number for it as an HS2 replacement at the Tory party conference.
  • Jim_Miller
    Jim_Miller Posts: 3,414
    Off topic, but from many previous threads: The ongoing conflicts in central Africa -- which may have claimed more than 5 million lives -- do not matter to most of the world:

    Examples: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Congo_War
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_African_Republic_Civil_War

  • ydoethur said:

    I'm back home for Christmas and we are having a yummy vegetarian puff pastry pizza tonight. That is all.

    I trust no pineapples were hurt in the making of this pizza?
    They were.

    Good evening PB.
  • TimS
    TimS Posts: 15,712

    I'm back home for Christmas and we are having a yummy vegetarian puff pastry pizza tonight. That is all.

    At this rate I’m going to be spending Christmas Day at the Port of Dover.
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    I thought AI deep fakes were banned?
  • williamglenn
    williamglenn Posts: 56,290

    I'm back home for Christmas and we are having a yummy vegetarian puff pastry pizza tonight. That is all.

    Surely that’s a tart, not a pizza.
  • Mexicanpete
    Mexicanpete Posts: 33,115

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    He's not got into the Christmas spirit (no hat).
  • One of my all time favourite photos to use in PB headers.


    It would get short shrift from me, but perhaps suitable for a minor piece.
  • The Tories have delivered Labour seats in the North for the next fifty years with their antics.

    By also pissing off their own core vote in the south - something I warned would happen when people were proclaiming 10 years of Johnson - they've made their support base tiny.

    They are basically a fringe party at this point, quite incredible to see. It's easily possible the Tories never govern again.

    Only if something replaces them on the right (or, at the very minimum, as an alternative to Labour - but given that at least 30% of voters are right-of-centre, it's hard to see how an alternative to Labour doesn't include the right).

    The most golden of all golden political rules is that opposition always arises.
  • Scott_xP
    Scott_xP Posts: 39,295
    @matt_dathan

    NEW: Big climb down just slipped out without any fanfare by the Home Office on its plans to reduce immigration

    Minimum income threshold needed to bring foreign spouses to UK will only rise to £29,000 initially. No timeline for it to be raised to £38,700

    https://x.com/matt_dathan/status/1737887468899201212?s=20
  • Scott_xP
    Scott_xP Posts: 39,295
    @Survation

    NEW: Our final Westminster VI of 2023:

    LAB 45 (+3)
    CON 28 (+2)
    LD 10 (-1)
    GRN 2 (-3)
    RFM 8 (+2)
    SNP 2 (-2)
    OTH 4 (-2)
  • Scott_xP said:

    @matt_dathan

    NEW: Big climb down just slipped out without any fanfare by the Home Office on its plans to reduce immigration

    Minimum income threshold needed to bring foreign spouses to UK will only rise to £29,000 initially. No timeline for it to be raised to £38,700

    https://x.com/matt_dathan/status/1737887468899201212?s=20

    Yet again they will have managed to piss off those who wanted it to both higher and lower. It is a remarkable skill to do this so consistently. Not sure it is of much use, mind.
  • Scott_xP
    Scott_xP Posts: 39,295
    @Survation

    Best Prime Minister

    Starmer holds a robust +6pt lead over Sunak. The Prime Minister’s relative ratings have not shown much improvement since the start of the year when his rating was 30 to Starmer’s 39

    Starmer 37 (-2)
    Sunak 31 (+1)
    Don’t know 32 (+1)
  • Pro_Rata
    Pro_Rata Posts: 5,690
    Scott_xP said:

    @Survation

    NEW: Our final Westminster VI of 2023:

    LAB 45 (+3)
    CON 28 (+2)
    LD 10 (-1)
    GRN 2 (-3)
    RFM 8 (+2)
    SNP 2 (-2)
    OTH 4 (-2)

    Scottish subsample analysis incoming.
  • TimS
    TimS Posts: 15,712
    Scott_xP said:

    @Survation

    NEW: Our final Westminster VI of 2023:

    LAB 45 (+3)
    CON 28 (+2)
    LD 10 (-1)
    GRN 2 (-3)
    RFM 8 (+2)
    SNP 2 (-2)
    OTH 4 (-2)

    Weird poll. SNP halved between polls? Green down by more than half to 2%? Doesn’t look legit to me.
  • TimS said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @Survation

    NEW: Our final Westminster VI of 2023:

    LAB 45 (+3)
    CON 28 (+2)
    LD 10 (-1)
    GRN 2 (-3)
    RFM 8 (+2)
    SNP 2 (-2)
    OTH 4 (-2)

    Weird poll. SNP halved between polls? Green down by more than half to 2%? Doesn’t look legit to me.
    Lots of people go home for Christmas.
  • Pro_Rata said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @Survation

    NEW: Our final Westminster VI of 2023:

    LAB 45 (+3)
    CON 28 (+2)
    LD 10 (-1)
    GRN 2 (-3)
    RFM 8 (+2)
    SNP 2 (-2)
    OTH 4 (-2)

    Scottish subsample analysis incoming.
    Scottish Subsample Klaxon

    Lab 42.18%

    SNP 22.94%

    Con 22.13%

    LD 4.68%

    SNP to finish third behind the Tories?
  • DougSeal
    DougSeal Posts: 12,785
    Scott_xP said:

    @Survation

    NEW: Our final Westminster VI of 2023:

    LAB 45 (+3)
    CON 28 (+2)
    LD 10 (-1)
    GRN 2 (-3)
    RFM 8 (+2)
    SNP 2 (-2)
    OTH 4 (-2)

    @bigjohnowls please explain
  • rcs1000
    rcs1000 Posts: 60,717
    DougSeal said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @Survation

    NEW: Our final Westminster VI of 2023:

    LAB 45 (+3)
    CON 28 (+2)
    LD 10 (-1)
    GRN 2 (-3)
    RFM 8 (+2)
    SNP 2 (-2)
    OTH 4 (-2)

    @bigjohnowls please explain
    Any other leader would be 50 points ahead.
  • eek
    eek Posts: 30,708
  • Foxy
    Foxy Posts: 52,170

    One of my all time favourite photos to use in PB headers.


    "Perhaps sir might be interested in something more nautical? Have you considered a pocket battleship?"
  • squareroot2
    squareroot2 Posts: 7,098
    edited December 2023

    One of my all time favourite photos to use in PB headers.


    It would get short shrift from me, but perhaps suitable for a minor piece.

    We did that to Francois Hollande. We insisted he arrived at Waterloo.... and then got him to inspect the tallest guards wearimg their bearskin headdresses. Made him really look the midget that he was.
  • Malmesbury
    Malmesbury Posts: 55,725
    rcs1000 said:

    DougSeal said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @Survation

    NEW: Our final Westminster VI of 2023:

    LAB 45 (+3)
    CON 28 (+2)
    LD 10 (-1)
    GRN 2 (-3)
    RFM 8 (+2)
    SNP 2 (-2)
    OTH 4 (-2)

    @bigjohnowls please explain
    Any other leader would be 50 points ahead.
    120% of the vote, Shirley?
  • Cookie said:

    The text which preceded the graphic in the tweet was, if anything, even more of a fuck you. Basically "by cancelling massive infrastructure projects for the north we are able to spend even more on London". I can only think it must have been put together by one of those Londoners who think most people live in London.

    Surely everyone knows that when you are talking about 'The North' you mean North London. (Rather than those barbarian wastelands north of Watford Gap that don't even deserve a proper name)
  • Foxy
    Foxy Posts: 52,170

    Only good thing Sunak has done is bring back David Cameron.

    That would account for the polling surge!
  • kinabalu
    kinabalu Posts: 46,273

    One of my all time favourite photos to use in PB headers.

    Soldier playing toy prime ministers?
  • eek said:
    MPs preparing for a hefty pay cut?

    (More likely a number pulled out at random turned out to be a stupid number. Moral is don't pull out numbers at random.)
  • FPT
    Sean_F said:

    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I have to go now, but I think anyone who thinks that there is any "side" who is absolutely in the right here is living in cloud cuckoo land.

    Maybe, but I do know that Hamas are absolutely in the wrong and eradicating Hamas is a worthy goal, though probably very high cost in blood.
    Israel have murdered THIRTEEN TIMES as many people as Hamas in the last ten weeks.
    Israel have murdered very few (though still more than they should have, which is zero).

    Hamas set out to murder: to kill Jews - any of them, children, the elderly, women, whatever. That was their objective. That is what murder is.

    Israel did not set out to kill Palestinians (other than Hamas fighters, who are a legitimate target in war). That Palestinian civilians have died in the conflict was always going to be an inevitable consequence of urban fighting. That is not murder. (FWIW, I think Israel has been reckless in its actions and has paid insufficient attention to civilian casualties at times. Still a different thing though).

    By using the same language for the two, you're creating a legal and moral equivalence - and to cite those numbers in that framing is to legitimise Hamas or delegitimise Israel. Or both.

    Think carefully.
    I disagree.

    The current Israeli leadership have set out to murder. They may not have murdered as many innocent people as Hamas (though they have certainly 'killed' far more innocents than Hamas) but this is not a numbers game. Murder is murder and both Hamas and Netenyahu's cabal should be rotting in jail - or preferably Hell.
    Netanyahu and his clique should indeed be in gaol. He's been a cancer in Israeli politics for 30 years.
    In July 1995, Netanyahu led a mock funeral procession featuring a coffin and hangman's noose at an anti-Rabin rally where protesters chanted, "Death to Rabin".[10][11] The chief of internal security, Carmi Gillon, then alerted Netanyahu of a plot on Rabin's life and asked him to moderate the protests' rhetoric, which Netanyahu declined to do.[8][12]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Yitzhak_Rabin
  • Cookie said:

    The text which preceded the graphic in the tweet was, if anything, even more of a fuck you. Basically "by cancelling massive infrastructure projects for the north we are able to spend even more on London". I can only think it must have been put together by one of those Londoners who think most people live in London.

    My own instinct/suspicion/theory (not necessarily in that order) is that Tory electoral strategy is now aiming/hoping/praying to save seats that can still be salvaged. Also visa versa.

    Which apparently do NOT include many in the Red Wall.

    But still some in the Blue Wall and/or Outer London?
  • isam
    isam Posts: 42,205
    Without looking it up, what’s the height difference in inches between Sunak & Sir Keir?
  • One of my all time favourite photos to use in PB headers.


    You missed this one:

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  • Luckyguy1983
    Luckyguy1983 Posts: 32,095

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    No hat for the twat.
  • TimS said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @Survation

    NEW: Our final Westminster VI of 2023:

    LAB 45 (+3)
    CON 28 (+2)
    LD 10 (-1)
    GRN 2 (-3)
    RFM 8 (+2)
    SNP 2 (-2)
    OTH 4 (-2)

    Weird poll. SNP halved between polls? Green down by more than half to 2%? Doesn’t look legit to me.
    All within MoE.

    Remember that MoE works (more or less) on absolute numbers, not proportional ones. So 'up 2' is much more relevant than 'doubled'.

    That said, the Green vote does look low.
  • Cookie
    Cookie Posts: 15,685

    Cookie said:

    The text which preceded the graphic in the tweet was, if anything, even more of a fuck you. Basically "by cancelling massive infrastructure projects for the north we are able to spend even more on London". I can only think it must have been put together by one of those Londoners who think most people live in London.

    My own instinct/suspicion/theory (not necessarily in that order) is that Tory electoral strategy is now aiming/hoping/praying to save seats that can still be salvaged. Also visa versa.

    Which apparently do NOT include many in the Red Wall.

    But still some in the Blue Wall and/or Outer London?
    Not many in the red wall, but there are still a lot of traditional blue (i.e. comfortable middle class, suburban, usually Tory) seats in the north. More than in London, anyway.

    I think you're probably right, even if I think as a strategy it's dim.
  • ydoethur
    ydoethur Posts: 74,263

    One of my all time favourite photos to use in PB headers.


    It would get short shrift from me, but perhaps suitable for a minor piece.
    He's talking about Greece, but Sunak doesn't want to lose his marbles so just needs a minor tour.
  • isam said:

    Without looking it up, what’s the height difference in inches between Sunak & Sir Keir?

    Is this with Keir bending the knee?
  • nova
    nova Posts: 862
    TimS said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @Survation

    NEW: Our final Westminster VI of 2023:

    LAB 45 (+3)
    CON 28 (+2)
    LD 10 (-1)
    GRN 2 (-3)
    RFM 8 (+2)
    SNP 2 (-2)
    OTH 4 (-2)

    Weird poll. SNP halved between polls? Green down by more than half to 2%? Doesn’t look legit to me.
    The smaller parties are always going to be all over the place as their share of the sample is so small. When you add in rounding, 3.51 to 2.49 to can become a 2% drop instead of 1%, which obviously makes a bigger difference to smaller party shares.

    Survation also aren't doing that many polls. Not sure when this is compared to, as it's a sample of under 800, when their previous two polls were 12,000+. You have to go back to July to find their last poll of a similar size.
  • kinabalu
    kinabalu Posts: 46,273

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    And for isam. BP monitors required all round!
  • ydoethur
    ydoethur Posts: 74,263

    Pro_Rata said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @Survation

    NEW: Our final Westminster VI of 2023:

    LAB 45 (+3)
    CON 28 (+2)
    LD 10 (-1)
    GRN 2 (-3)
    RFM 8 (+2)
    SNP 2 (-2)
    OTH 4 (-2)

    Scottish subsample analysis incoming.
    Scottish Subsample Klaxon

    Lab 42.18%

    SNP 22.94%

    Con 22.13%

    LD 4.68%

    SNP to finish third behind the Tories?
    Did I hear a loud bang from the general direction of Sweden?
  • Only good thing Sunak has done is bring back David Cameron.

    Dave the Unelected Has-Been?
  • isam
    isam Posts: 42,205

    isam said:

    Without looking it up, what’s the height difference in inches between Sunak & Sir Keir?

    Is this with Keir bending the knee?
    Both stood up straight
  • Mexicanpete
    Mexicanpete Posts: 33,115
    isam said:

    Without looking it up, what’s the height difference in inches between Sunak & Sir Keir?

    I remembered Starmer is a diminutive 5ft9 whilst Johnson was a statuesque 5ft 9 and a half.
  • Roger
    Roger Posts: 20,744

    One of my all time favourite photos to use in PB headers.


    You missed this one:

    image
    Are they Leon's AI?
  • Luckyguy1983
    Luckyguy1983 Posts: 32,095
    This is setting up nicely to get shot of Sunak before the GE. Perhaps after the locals.
  • isam said:

    Without looking it up, what’s the height difference in inches between Sunak & Sir Keir?

    I remembered Starmer is a diminutive 5ft9 whilst Johnson was a statuesque 5ft 9 and a half.
    Starmer looking quite muscular in that army photo too. Brings back memories of the good ole days.
  • isam
    isam Posts: 42,205

    isam said:

    Without looking it up, what’s the height difference in inches between Sunak & Sir Keir?

    I remembered Starmer is a diminutive 5ft9 whilst Johnson was a statuesque 5ft 9 and a half.
    Enough with the Boris obsession!
  • Nigelb
    Nigelb Posts: 79,357
    kinabalu said:

    One of my all time favourite photos to use in PB headers.

    Soldier playing toy prime ministers?
    He drew the short straw.
  • Roger said:

    One of my all time favourite photos to use in PB headers.


    You missed this one:

    image
    Are they Leon's AI?
    If you look at the glint on the wallpaper and compare it to that on the carpet.....you might fall asleep.
  • rcs1000
    rcs1000 Posts: 60,717

    FPT

    Sean_F said:

    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I have to go now, but I think anyone who thinks that there is any "side" who is absolutely in the right here is living in cloud cuckoo land.

    Maybe, but I do know that Hamas are absolutely in the wrong and eradicating Hamas is a worthy goal, though probably very high cost in blood.
    Israel have murdered THIRTEEN TIMES as many people as Hamas in the last ten weeks.
    Israel have murdered very few (though still more than they should have, which is zero).

    Hamas set out to murder: to kill Jews - any of them, children, the elderly, women, whatever. That was their objective. That is what murder is.

    Israel did not set out to kill Palestinians (other than Hamas fighters, who are a legitimate target in war). That Palestinian civilians have died in the conflict was always going to be an inevitable consequence of urban fighting. That is not murder. (FWIW, I think Israel has been reckless in its actions and has paid insufficient attention to civilian casualties at times. Still a different thing though).

    By using the same language for the two, you're creating a legal and moral equivalence - and to cite those numbers in that framing is to legitimise Hamas or delegitimise Israel. Or both.

    Think carefully.
    I disagree.

    The current Israeli leadership have set out to murder. They may not have murdered as many innocent people as Hamas (though they have certainly 'killed' far more innocents than Hamas) but this is not a numbers game. Murder is murder and both Hamas and Netenyahu's cabal should be rotting in jail - or preferably Hell.
    Netanyahu and his clique should indeed be in gaol. He's been a cancer in Israeli politics for 30 years.
    In July 1995, Netanyahu led a mock funeral procession featuring a coffin and hangman's noose at an anti-Rabin rally where protesters chanted, "Death to Rabin".[10][11] The chief of internal security, Carmi Gillon, then alerted Netanyahu of a plot on Rabin's life and asked him to moderate the protests' rhetoric, which Netanyahu declined to do.[8][12]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Yitzhak_Rabin
    The current Israeli security minister called for the death of Rabin at the time.
  • Nigelb
    Nigelb Posts: 79,357
    Spotify will soon generate whole songs based on user’s history, without even crediting a name (or will make up fake ones that sound different for every account). That’ll be the moment when artist music and music business will split as you’ve anticipate.
    https://twitter.com/phil_rouge/status/1737830408769970353


  • SeaShantyIrish2
    SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    edited December 2023

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    He's not got into the Christmas spirit (no hat).
    The sad-but-true head-gear experience of Mike Dukakis remains a potent reminder for aspiring politicos to DITCH THE HAT/HELMET/WTF when engaging in photo ops.

    Despite promptings/urgings/warnings of journos/minders/greeters. ESPECIALLY when hanging out with the military.

    No wonder JKF eschewed (and allegedly helped kill) the hat.

    Last POTUS to wear head-gear with any political success was Calvin Coolidge whose Class-A poker face went well with an (allegedly) Native American warbonnet.

    Last UK PM with a flair for hat-wearing was Harold Macmillan, who stunned the Soviets by showing up in Moscow wearing a bigger and better fur hat than anything the Politburo was sporting.

    Indeed, when Liz Truss trotted out (apologies to SWP and CUP activists) her Margaret Thatcher at the Kremlin, what what LT was REALLY doing, was imitating MT's own imitation of SuperMac-ovich.

    So well done Keir!
  • nico679
    nico679 Posts: 6,277

    Oh dear, how sad, never mind.

    Rudy Giuliani has filed for bankruptcy after two election workers sued him for defamation and won $148.1m in damages.

    Reuters reported that court documents show Giuliani, Donald Trump’s former attorney and former mayor of New York, filed for bankruptcy protection.

    Earlier in the day a Washington DC judge allowed the two Georgia election workers who successfully sued Giuliani to immediately collect their millions in damages.

    The workers, Ruby Freeman and her daughter, Shaye Moss, would typically have to wait 30 days before they can start attempts to collect payments, but Beryl Howell agreed that Giuliani has “proven himself to be an unwilling and uncooperative litigant”.


    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/dec/21/giuliani-148-million-damages-georgia-lawsuit?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

    Good I hope he has to beg for loose change . Sadly he won’t , he will have hidden assets . Awful man , anyone who enables Trump is beneath contempt .
  • ydoethur said:

    One of my all time favourite photos to use in PB headers.


    It would get short shrift from me, but perhaps suitable for a minor piece.
    He's talking about Greece, but Sunak doesn't want to lose his marbles so just needs a minor tour.
    Med Wall, rather than Red Wall?
  • Pro_Rata
    Pro_Rata Posts: 5,690
    edited December 2023
    Cookie said:

    Cookie said:

    The text which preceded the graphic in the tweet was, if anything, even more of a fuck you. Basically "by cancelling massive infrastructure projects for the north we are able to spend even more on London". I can only think it must have been put together by one of those Londoners who think most people live in London.

    My own instinct/suspicion/theory (not necessarily in that order) is that Tory electoral strategy is now aiming/hoping/praying to save seats that can still be salvaged. Also visa versa.

    Which apparently do NOT include many in the Red Wall.

    But still some in the Blue Wall and/or Outer London?

    Not many in the red wall, but there are still a lot of traditional blue (i.e. comfortable middle class, suburban, usually Tory) seats in the north. More than in London, anyway.

    I think you're probably right, even if I think as a strategy it's dim.
    The strangest thing is that, for the first time in 15 years, we have a PM (supposedly) representing a northern English constituency. Makes it even more bizarre that all this is happening on his watch.
  • kinabalu
    kinabalu Posts: 46,273
    rcs1000 said:

    FPT

    Sean_F said:

    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I have to go now, but I think anyone who thinks that there is any "side" who is absolutely in the right here is living in cloud cuckoo land.

    Maybe, but I do know that Hamas are absolutely in the wrong and eradicating Hamas is a worthy goal, though probably very high cost in blood.
    Israel have murdered THIRTEEN TIMES as many people as Hamas in the last ten weeks.
    Israel have murdered very few (though still more than they should have, which is zero).

    Hamas set out to murder: to kill Jews - any of them, children, the elderly, women, whatever. That was their objective. That is what murder is.

    Israel did not set out to kill Palestinians (other than Hamas fighters, who are a legitimate target in war). That Palestinian civilians have died in the conflict was always going to be an inevitable consequence of urban fighting. That is not murder. (FWIW, I think Israel has been reckless in its actions and has paid insufficient attention to civilian casualties at times. Still a different thing though).

    By using the same language for the two, you're creating a legal and moral equivalence - and to cite those numbers in that framing is to legitimise Hamas or delegitimise Israel. Or both.

    Think carefully.
    I disagree.

    The current Israeli leadership have set out to murder. They may not have murdered as many innocent people as Hamas (though they have certainly 'killed' far more innocents than Hamas) but this is not a numbers game. Murder is murder and both Hamas and Netenyahu's cabal should be rotting in jail - or preferably Hell.
    Netanyahu and his clique should indeed be in gaol. He's been a cancer in Israeli politics for 30 years.
    In July 1995, Netanyahu led a mock funeral procession featuring a coffin and hangman's noose at an anti-Rabin rally where protesters chanted, "Death to Rabin".[10][11] The chief of internal security, Carmi Gillon, then alerted Netanyahu of a plot on Rabin's life and asked him to moderate the protests' rhetoric, which Netanyahu declined to do.[8][12]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Yitzhak_Rabin
    The current Israeli security minister called for the death of Rabin at the time.
    Can you say "reap what you sow" without meaning "asked for it"? If you can I think it works here with Netanyahu & Co.
  • malcolmg
    malcolmg Posts: 44,523

    I'm back home for Christmas and we are having a yummy vegetarian puff pastry pizza tonight. That is all.

    commiserations
  • malcolmg
    malcolmg Posts: 44,523

    Win a historic victory promising to invest in and level up the North; winning scores of northern Labour seats in the process.

    Spend the next 4.5 years doing sod all.

    If I were a Tory MP in a red wall seat, or a red wall voter, I would feel utterly betrayed by those at the top of the Party.

    The Tories deserve to lose the next election for many reasons, but this is a particularly good one.

    I can’t believe people so many people were dumb enough, naive enough, to fall for it in the first place. Fucking elderly Red Wall Leavers, desperate for something positive to come from the smoking ashes of Brexit.

    These people lived through the 80s, they saw the Tories gut these places. And 30 years later they eagerly swallowed the bullshit and queued up to put their tick in the Leave box and then for Johnson. All because they don’t like foreigners.

    Well, they definitely know now that the Tories don’t give a flying fuck about the north. That Brexit was built on Tory lies. The NHS isn’t better. Food isn’t cheaper. There’s still fuel on VAT. There have been considerable downsides. Including the utter contempt the Tories have shown for the north.

    It’s a shame we’ve had to suffer so much damage for the scales to fall from these people’s eyes.
    mush for brains
  • nico679
    nico679 Posts: 6,277
    I always thought Starmer was taller . Regardless although the photo op is a bit misguided it would be beyond cringe if the spineless gimp tried to look tough .
  • ydoethur
    ydoethur Posts: 74,263

    ydoethur said:

    One of my all time favourite photos to use in PB headers.


    It would get short shrift from me, but perhaps suitable for a minor piece.
    He's talking about Greece, but Sunak doesn't want to lose his marbles so just needs a minor tour.
    Med Wall, rather than Red Wall?
    He couldn't hold either, he's too Crete in us.
  • IanB2
    IanB2 Posts: 52,314

    This is setting up nicely to get shot of Sunak before the GE. Perhaps after the locals.

    Can he recover from the body blow of losing today’s Ventnor by-election?
  • Pagan2
    Pagan2 Posts: 12,175

    Win a historic victory promising to invest in and level up the North; winning scores of northern Labour seats in the process.

    Spend the next 4.5 years doing sod all.

    If I were a Tory MP in a red wall seat, or a red wall voter, I would feel utterly betrayed by those at the top of the Party.

    The Tories deserve to lose the next election for many reasons, but this is a particularly good one.

    I can’t believe people so many people were dumb enough, naive enough, to fall for it in the first place. Fucking elderly Red Wall Leavers, desperate for something positive to come from the smoking ashes of Brexit.

    These people lived through the 80s, they saw the Tories gut these places. And 30 years later they eagerly swallowed the bullshit and queued up to put their tick in the Leave box and then for Johnson. All because they don’t like foreigners.

    Well, they definitely know now that the Tories don’t give a flying fuck about the north. That Brexit was built on Tory lies. The NHS isn’t better. Food isn’t cheaper. There’s still fuel on VAT. There have been considerable downsides. Including the utter contempt the Tories have shown for the north.

    It’s a shame we’ve had to suffer so much damage for the scales to fall from these people’s eyes.
    And the new labour government did precisely what for them? These are places that have been electing the red squad for decades only to be ignored who can blame them for trying something different.

    A starmer government will also do precisely sweet fa for them as no on in london, which is most mp's give a shit about anything outside london
  • Foxy
    Foxy Posts: 52,170
    IanB2 said:

    This is setting up nicely to get shot of Sunak before the GE. Perhaps after the locals.

    Can he recover from the body blow of losing today’s Ventnor by-election?
    Is it your councillor?

    If so can we see a picture of the majority with the dog for scale?
  • kinabalu
    kinabalu Posts: 46,273
    Nigelb said:

    Spotify will soon generate whole songs based on user’s history, without even crediting a name (or will make up fake ones that sound different for every account). That’ll be the moment when artist music and music business will split as you’ve anticipate.
    https://twitter.com/phil_rouge/status/1737830408769970353

    How do you mean? Kind of generic totally machine made songs of a genre it deduces you like from your listening history? I can't easily imagine that at all.
  • Pagan2
    Pagan2 Posts: 12,175
    kinabalu said:

    Nigelb said:

    Spotify will soon generate whole songs based on user’s history, without even crediting a name (or will make up fake ones that sound different for every account). That’ll be the moment when artist music and music business will split as you’ve anticipate.
    https://twitter.com/phil_rouge/status/1737830408769970353

    How do you mean? Kind of generic totally machine made songs of a genre it deduces you like from your listening history? I can't easily imagine that at all.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7nMZvueKNQ
  • Roger
    Roger Posts: 20,744

    Only good thing Sunak has done is bring back David Cameron.

    I've been labouring this point since the 13th of November.

    Mark my words, when Starmer wins the election he will ask David Cameron to remain Foreign Secretary.
    Certainly seems more in keeping with Labour values than Starmer
  • viewcode
    viewcode Posts: 25,202

    Health warning for @AverageNinja :

    image

    Oh look! Who's a clever boy. Who's a clever boy! Did you enjoy your day playing outside with the Big Boys? Good boy. Now come inside before you catch your death of cold.... :smiley:
  • pm215
    pm215 Posts: 1,302


    These people lived through the 80s, they saw the Tories gut these places. And 30 years later they eagerly swallowed the bullshit and queued up to put their tick in the Leave box and then for Johnson. All because they don’t like foreigners.

    Given that the 80s were now more than 30 years ago, a fair chunk of those voters in fact did not live through the 80s; more if you don't start counting until somebody is old and politically aware enough to notice that kind of thing.
  • Carnyx
    Carnyx Posts: 44,654

    Cookie said:

    The text which preceded the graphic in the tweet was, if anything, even more of a fuck you. Basically "by cancelling massive infrastructure projects for the north we are able to spend even more on London". I can only think it must have been put together by one of those Londoners who think most people live in London.

    I thought somebody at the Civil Service was trolling, reminded me of that Tweet during the era of Cummings
    It's interesting how many PB rightwingers assumed that it was a dodgy civil servant. Not high Tory Government policy.
  • Carnyx
    Carnyx Posts: 44,654
    malcolmg said:

    I'm back home for Christmas and we are having a yummy vegetarian puff pastry pizza tonight. That is all.

    commiserations
    Now if he just turned that down and put some chicken in it ... but it sounds very nice as is.
  • ydoethur
    ydoethur Posts: 74,263
    Carnyx said:

    Cookie said:

    The text which preceded the graphic in the tweet was, if anything, even more of a fuck you. Basically "by cancelling massive infrastructure projects for the north we are able to spend even more on London". I can only think it must have been put together by one of those Londoners who think most people live in London.

    I thought somebody at the Civil Service was trolling, reminded me of that Tweet during the era of Cummings
    It's interesting how many PB rightwingers assumed that it was a dodgy civil servant. Not high Tory Government policy.
    Could be both. The civil service is highly politicised these days.

    Mind you, the further implication is there are non-dodgy civil servants out there, which experience suggests isn't the case.
  • Carnyx said:

    Cookie said:

    The text which preceded the graphic in the tweet was, if anything, even more of a fuck you. Basically "by cancelling massive infrastructure projects for the north we are able to spend even more on London". I can only think it must have been put together by one of those Londoners who think most people live in London.

    I thought somebody at the Civil Service was trolling, reminded me of that Tweet during the era of Cummings
    It's interesting how many PB rightwingers assumed that it was a dodgy civil servant. Not high Tory Government policy.
    Too busy partying with Farage to bother to read the headline policy at the party conference.....
  • Jonathan
    Jonathan Posts: 22,107
    Why are Tories trying to throw the election? What do they know that we don’t? No one is this rubbish. It has to be a stitch up job..
  • Foxy
    Foxy Posts: 52,170
    pm215 said:


    These people lived through the 80s, they saw the Tories gut these places. And 30 years later they eagerly swallowed the bullshit and queued up to put their tick in the Leave box and then for Johnson. All because they don’t like foreigners.

    Given that the 80s were now more than 30 years ago, a fair chunk of those voters in fact did not live through the 80s; more if you don't start counting until somebody is old and politically aware enough to notice that kind of thing.
    Yes but the Leave vote wasn't thirtysomethings, it was sixty somethings so they have no excuse.
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