One of these tweets is a spoof, can you guess which one? – politicalbetting.com
This tweet, just takes the piss.A Network North Project in London. pic.twitter.com/gAZvwx88de
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Only good thing Sunak has done is bring back David Cameron.1
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I made this post yesterday. I am your inspiration once again.TheScreamingEagles said:Only good thing Sunak has done is bring back David Cameron.
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I've been labouring this point since the 13th of November.TheScreamingEagles said:Only good thing Sunak has done is bring back David Cameron.
Mark my words, when Starmer wins the election he will ask David Cameron to remain Foreign Secretary.0 -
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I came.williamglenn said:Health warning for @AverageNinja :
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OK, I will mark them.TheScreamingEagles said:
I've been labouring this point since the 13th of November.TheScreamingEagles said:Only good thing Sunak has done is bring back David Cameron.
Mark my words, when Starmer wins the election he will ask David Cameron to remain Foreign Secretary.1 -
QTWTAIIDNTBIKITSO.0
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Bizarro thing is that it doesn't even make electoral sense.
The metropolis votes for those damn socialists anyway.0 -
"...has gone down badly among some Tory MPs.."
They voted for the effing budget, so what are they complaining about ?
They're as useless as the Republican Congressfolk who deprecate Trump's language, and endorse him anyway.
Wankers every one of them.5 -
Good for China?TheScreamingEagles said:Only good thing Sunak has done is bring back David Cameron.
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2/10 ?Casino_Royale said:
OK, I will mark them.TheScreamingEagles said:
I've been labouring this point since the 13th of November.TheScreamingEagles said:Only good thing Sunak has done is bring back David Cameron.
Mark my words, when Starmer wins the election he will ask David Cameron to remain Foreign Secretary.1 -
Win a historic victory promising to invest in and level up the North; winning scores of northern Labour seats in the process.
Spend the next 4.5 years doing sod all.
If I were a Tory MP in a red wall seat, or a red wall voter, I would feel utterly betrayed by those at the top of the Party.
The Tories deserve to lose the next election for many reasons, but this is a particularly good one.
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Will we see the "my constituents are revolting" quote appear in Labour attack leaflets in Dines' constituency? :-)
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Christ.
At least 15 dead and dozens injured in Prague university shooting, Czech police say
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2023/dec/21/poland-donald-tusk-government-state-media-sacks-tv-radio-news-bosses-europe-latest-updates
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Actually, David Lammy is doing a pretty good job as Shadow FS. You can tell that's the case because he's given neither the Tories nor the press the opportunity to rip him apart.TheScreamingEagles said:
I've been labouring this point since the 13th of November.TheScreamingEagles said:Only good thing Sunak has done is bring back David Cameron.
Mark my words, when Starmer wins the election he will ask David Cameron to remain Foreign Secretary.3 -
You shot one off?AverageNinja said:
I came.williamglenn said:Health warning for @AverageNinja :
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What a sexy man SKS is, woof woofydoethur said:
You shot one off?AverageNinja said:
I came.williamglenn said:Health warning for @AverageNinja :
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Why would the MPs feel betrayed ?numbertwelve said:Win a historic victory promising to invest in and level up the North; winning scores of northern Labour seats in the process.
Spend the next 4.5 years doing sod all.
If I were a Tory MP in a red wall seat, or a red wall voter, I would feel utterly betrayed by those at the top of the Party.
They're part of the problem, FFS.0 -
The Tories have delivered Labour seats in the North for the next fifty years with their antics.
By also pissing off their own core vote in the south - something I warned would happen when people were proclaiming 10 years of Johnson - they've made their support base tiny.
They are basically a fringe party at this point, quite incredible to see. It's easily possible the Tories never govern again.0 -
The text which preceded the graphic in the tweet was, if anything, even more of a fuck you. Basically "by cancelling massive infrastructure projects for the north we are able to spend even more on London". I can only think it must have been put together by one of those Londoners who think most people live in London.1
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I thought somebody at the Civil Service was trolling, reminded me of that Tweet during the era of CummingsCookie said:The text which preceded the graphic in the tweet was, if anything, even more of a fuck you. Basically "by cancelling massive infrastructure projects for the north we are able to spend even more on London". I can only think it must have been put together by one of those Londoners who think most people live in London.
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One of my all time favourite photos to use in PB headers.
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Thinking of orgasms and for some reason, also horses:
Here is a famous scene from Ridley Scott's 1977 film the Duellists.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtQcQByWSgw
The woman keeps laughing.
The reason is because she's noticed the stallion is getting in on the love making action (seconds 30-48) by having a massive erection.
(Apparently the mare was in season.)0 -
I'm back home for Christmas and we are having a yummy vegetarian puff pastry pizza tonight. That is all.0
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I trust no pineapples were hurt in the making of this pizza?AverageNinja said:I'm back home for Christmas and we are having a yummy vegetarian puff pastry pizza tonight. That is all.
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The reality is most of the money being spent of "Network North" was going to have been spent regardless of HS2.Cookie said:The text which preceded the graphic in the tweet was, if anything, even more of a fuck you. Basically "by cancelling massive infrastructure projects for the north we are able to spend even more on London". I can only think it must have been put together by one of those Londoners who think most people live in London.
NN was just cobbled together to include as much as possible, some into the mid 2030s, much nothing to do with the north, so that Rishi could present a big number for it as an HS2 replacement at the Tory party conference.1 -
Off topic, but from many previous threads: The ongoing conflicts in central Africa -- which may have claimed more than 5 million lives -- do not matter to most of the world:
Examples: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Congo_War
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_African_Republic_Civil_War
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They were.ydoethur said:
I trust no pineapples were hurt in the making of this pizza?AverageNinja said:I'm back home for Christmas and we are having a yummy vegetarian puff pastry pizza tonight. That is all.
Good evening PB.0 -
At this rate I’m going to be spending Christmas Day at the Port of Dover.AverageNinja said:I'm back home for Christmas and we are having a yummy vegetarian puff pastry pizza tonight. That is all.
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I thought AI deep fakes were banned?williamglenn said:Health warning for @AverageNinja :
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Surely that’s a tart, not a pizza.AverageNinja said:I'm back home for Christmas and we are having a yummy vegetarian puff pastry pizza tonight. That is all.
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He's not got into the Christmas spirit (no hat).williamglenn said:Health warning for @AverageNinja :
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It would get short shrift from me, but perhaps suitable for a minor piece.TheScreamingEagles said:One of my all time favourite photos to use in PB headers.
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Only if something replaces them on the right (or, at the very minimum, as an alternative to Labour - but given that at least 30% of voters are right-of-centre, it's hard to see how an alternative to Labour doesn't include the right).AverageNinja said:The Tories have delivered Labour seats in the North for the next fifty years with their antics.
By also pissing off their own core vote in the south - something I warned would happen when people were proclaiming 10 years of Johnson - they've made their support base tiny.
They are basically a fringe party at this point, quite incredible to see. It's easily possible the Tories never govern again.
The most golden of all golden political rules is that opposition always arises.2 -
@matt_dathan
NEW: Big climb down just slipped out without any fanfare by the Home Office on its plans to reduce immigration
Minimum income threshold needed to bring foreign spouses to UK will only rise to £29,000 initially. No timeline for it to be raised to £38,700
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@Survation
NEW: Our final Westminster VI of 2023:
LAB 45 (+3)
CON 28 (+2)
LD 10 (-1)
GRN 2 (-3)
RFM 8 (+2)
SNP 2 (-2)
OTH 4 (-2)1 -
Yet again they will have managed to piss off those who wanted it to both higher and lower. It is a remarkable skill to do this so consistently. Not sure it is of much use, mind.Scott_xP said:@matt_dathan
NEW: Big climb down just slipped out without any fanfare by the Home Office on its plans to reduce immigration
Minimum income threshold needed to bring foreign spouses to UK will only rise to £29,000 initially. No timeline for it to be raised to £38,700
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@Survation
Best Prime Minister
Starmer holds a robust +6pt lead over Sunak. The Prime Minister’s relative ratings have not shown much improvement since the start of the year when his rating was 30 to Starmer’s 39
Starmer 37 (-2)
Sunak 31 (+1)
Don’t know 32 (+1)0 -
Scottish subsample analysis incoming.Scott_xP said:@Survation
NEW: Our final Westminster VI of 2023:
LAB 45 (+3)
CON 28 (+2)
LD 10 (-1)
GRN 2 (-3)
RFM 8 (+2)
SNP 2 (-2)
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Weird poll. SNP halved between polls? Green down by more than half to 2%? Doesn’t look legit to me.Scott_xP said:@Survation
NEW: Our final Westminster VI of 2023:
LAB 45 (+3)
CON 28 (+2)
LD 10 (-1)
GRN 2 (-3)
RFM 8 (+2)
SNP 2 (-2)
OTH 4 (-2)0 -
Lots of people go home for Christmas.TimS said:
Weird poll. SNP halved between polls? Green down by more than half to 2%? Doesn’t look legit to me.Scott_xP said:@Survation
NEW: Our final Westminster VI of 2023:
LAB 45 (+3)
CON 28 (+2)
LD 10 (-1)
GRN 2 (-3)
RFM 8 (+2)
SNP 2 (-2)
OTH 4 (-2)0 -
Scottish Subsample KlaxonPro_Rata said:
Scottish subsample analysis incoming.Scott_xP said:@Survation
NEW: Our final Westminster VI of 2023:
LAB 45 (+3)
CON 28 (+2)
LD 10 (-1)
GRN 2 (-3)
RFM 8 (+2)
SNP 2 (-2)
OTH 4 (-2)
Lab 42.18%
SNP 22.94%
Con 22.13%
LD 4.68%
SNP to finish third behind the Tories?
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@bigjohnowls please explainScott_xP said:@Survation
NEW: Our final Westminster VI of 2023:
LAB 45 (+3)
CON 28 (+2)
LD 10 (-1)
GRN 2 (-3)
RFM 8 (+2)
SNP 2 (-2)
OTH 4 (-2)3 -
Oh dear, how sad, never mind.
Rudy Giuliani has filed for bankruptcy after two election workers sued him for defamation and won $148.1m in damages.
Reuters reported that court documents show Giuliani, Donald Trump’s former attorney and former mayor of New York, filed for bankruptcy protection.
Earlier in the day a Washington DC judge allowed the two Georgia election workers who successfully sued Giuliani to immediately collect their millions in damages.
The workers, Ruby Freeman and her daughter, Shaye Moss, would typically have to wait 30 days before they can start attempts to collect payments, but Beryl Howell agreed that Giuliani has “proven himself to be an unwilling and uncooperative litigant”.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/dec/21/giuliani-148-million-damages-georgia-lawsuit?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other5 -
Any other leader would be 50 points ahead.DougSeal said:
@bigjohnowls please explainScott_xP said:@Survation
NEW: Our final Westminster VI of 2023:
LAB 45 (+3)
CON 28 (+2)
LD 10 (-1)
GRN 2 (-3)
RFM 8 (+2)
SNP 2 (-2)
OTH 4 (-2)2 -
The amount of money you need to earn to bring your spouse into the country has been quietly cut to £29,000
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/legal-migration-statement-estimated-immigration-impacts/legal-migration-statement-estimated-immigration-impacts-accessible0 -
"Perhaps sir might be interested in something more nautical? Have you considered a pocket battleship?"TheScreamingEagles said:One of my all time favourite photos to use in PB headers.
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noneoftheabove said:
It would get short shrift from me, but perhaps suitable for a minor piece.TheScreamingEagles said:One of my all time favourite photos to use in PB headers.
We did that to Francois Hollande. We insisted he arrived at Waterloo.... and then got him to inspect the tallest guards wearimg their bearskin headdresses. Made him really look the midget that he was.
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120% of the vote, Shirley?rcs1000 said:
Any other leader would be 50 points ahead.DougSeal said:
@bigjohnowls please explainScott_xP said:@Survation
NEW: Our final Westminster VI of 2023:
LAB 45 (+3)
CON 28 (+2)
LD 10 (-1)
GRN 2 (-3)
RFM 8 (+2)
SNP 2 (-2)
OTH 4 (-2)0 -
Surely everyone knows that when you are talking about 'The North' you mean North London. (Rather than those barbarian wastelands north of Watford Gap that don't even deserve a proper name)Cookie said:The text which preceded the graphic in the tweet was, if anything, even more of a fuck you. Basically "by cancelling massive infrastructure projects for the north we are able to spend even more on London". I can only think it must have been put together by one of those Londoners who think most people live in London.
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That would account for the polling surge!TheScreamingEagles said:Only good thing Sunak has done is bring back David Cameron.
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Soldier playing toy prime ministers?TheScreamingEagles said:One of my all time favourite photos to use in PB headers.
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MPs preparing for a hefty pay cut?eek said:The amount of money you need to earn to bring your spouse into the country has been quietly cut to £29,000
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/legal-migration-statement-estimated-immigration-impacts/legal-migration-statement-estimated-immigration-impacts-accessible
(More likely a number pulled out at random turned out to be a stupid number. Moral is don't pull out numbers at random.)0 -
FPT
In July 1995, Netanyahu led a mock funeral procession featuring a coffin and hangman's noose at an anti-Rabin rally where protesters chanted, "Death to Rabin".[10][11] The chief of internal security, Carmi Gillon, then alerted Netanyahu of a plot on Rabin's life and asked him to moderate the protests' rhetoric, which Netanyahu declined to do.[8][12]Sean_F said:
Netanyahu and his clique should indeed be in gaol. He's been a cancer in Israeli politics for 30 years.Richard_Tyndall said:
I disagree.david_herdson said:
Israel have murdered very few (though still more than they should have, which is zero).Sunil_Prasannan said:
Israel have murdered THIRTEEN TIMES as many people as Hamas in the last ten weeks.MaxPB said:
Maybe, but I do know that Hamas are absolutely in the wrong and eradicating Hamas is a worthy goal, though probably very high cost in blood.rcs1000 said:I have to go now, but I think anyone who thinks that there is any "side" who is absolutely in the right here is living in cloud cuckoo land.
Hamas set out to murder: to kill Jews - any of them, children, the elderly, women, whatever. That was their objective. That is what murder is.
Israel did not set out to kill Palestinians (other than Hamas fighters, who are a legitimate target in war). That Palestinian civilians have died in the conflict was always going to be an inevitable consequence of urban fighting. That is not murder. (FWIW, I think Israel has been reckless in its actions and has paid insufficient attention to civilian casualties at times. Still a different thing though).
By using the same language for the two, you're creating a legal and moral equivalence - and to cite those numbers in that framing is to legitimise Hamas or delegitimise Israel. Or both.
Think carefully.
The current Israeli leadership have set out to murder. They may not have murdered as many innocent people as Hamas (though they have certainly 'killed' far more innocents than Hamas) but this is not a numbers game. Murder is murder and both Hamas and Netenyahu's cabal should be rotting in jail - or preferably Hell.
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My own instinct/suspicion/theory (not necessarily in that order) is that Tory electoral strategy is now aiming/hoping/praying to save seats that can still be salvaged. Also visa versa.Cookie said:The text which preceded the graphic in the tweet was, if anything, even more of a fuck you. Basically "by cancelling massive infrastructure projects for the north we are able to spend even more on London". I can only think it must have been put together by one of those Londoners who think most people live in London.
Which apparently do NOT include many in the Red Wall.
But still some in the Blue Wall and/or Outer London?0 -
Without looking it up, what’s the height difference in inches between Sunak & Sir Keir?0
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You missed this one:TheScreamingEagles said:One of my all time favourite photos to use in PB headers.
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No hat for the twat.williamglenn said:Health warning for @AverageNinja :
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All within MoE.TimS said:
Weird poll. SNP halved between polls? Green down by more than half to 2%? Doesn’t look legit to me.Scott_xP said:@Survation
NEW: Our final Westminster VI of 2023:
LAB 45 (+3)
CON 28 (+2)
LD 10 (-1)
GRN 2 (-3)
RFM 8 (+2)
SNP 2 (-2)
OTH 4 (-2)
Remember that MoE works (more or less) on absolute numbers, not proportional ones. So 'up 2' is much more relevant than 'doubled'.
That said, the Green vote does look low.0 -
Not many in the red wall, but there are still a lot of traditional blue (i.e. comfortable middle class, suburban, usually Tory) seats in the north. More than in London, anyway.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
My own instinct/suspicion/theory (not necessarily in that order) is that Tory electoral strategy is now aiming/hoping/praying to save seats that can still be salvaged. Also visa versa.Cookie said:The text which preceded the graphic in the tweet was, if anything, even more of a fuck you. Basically "by cancelling massive infrastructure projects for the north we are able to spend even more on London". I can only think it must have been put together by one of those Londoners who think most people live in London.
Which apparently do NOT include many in the Red Wall.
But still some in the Blue Wall and/or Outer London?
I think you're probably right, even if I think as a strategy it's dim.0 -
He's talking about Greece, but Sunak doesn't want to lose his marbles so just needs a minor tour.noneoftheabove said:
It would get short shrift from me, but perhaps suitable for a minor piece.TheScreamingEagles said:One of my all time favourite photos to use in PB headers.
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Is this with Keir bending the knee?isam said:Without looking it up, what’s the height difference in inches between Sunak & Sir Keir?
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The smaller parties are always going to be all over the place as their share of the sample is so small. When you add in rounding, 3.51 to 2.49 to can become a 2% drop instead of 1%, which obviously makes a bigger difference to smaller party shares.TimS said:
Weird poll. SNP halved between polls? Green down by more than half to 2%? Doesn’t look legit to me.Scott_xP said:@Survation
NEW: Our final Westminster VI of 2023:
LAB 45 (+3)
CON 28 (+2)
LD 10 (-1)
GRN 2 (-3)
RFM 8 (+2)
SNP 2 (-2)
OTH 4 (-2)
Survation also aren't doing that many polls. Not sure when this is compared to, as it's a sample of under 800, when their previous two polls were 12,000+. You have to go back to July to find their last poll of a similar size.0 -
And for isam. BP monitors required all round!williamglenn said:Health warning for @AverageNinja :
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Did I hear a loud bang from the general direction of Sweden?TheScreamingEagles said:
Scottish Subsample KlaxonPro_Rata said:
Scottish subsample analysis incoming.Scott_xP said:@Survation
NEW: Our final Westminster VI of 2023:
LAB 45 (+3)
CON 28 (+2)
LD 10 (-1)
GRN 2 (-3)
RFM 8 (+2)
SNP 2 (-2)
OTH 4 (-2)
Lab 42.18%
SNP 22.94%
Con 22.13%
LD 4.68%
SNP to finish third behind the Tories?4 -
Dave the Unelected Has-Been?TheScreamingEagles said:Only good thing Sunak has done is bring back David Cameron.
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Both stood up straightnoneoftheabove said:
Is this with Keir bending the knee?isam said:Without looking it up, what’s the height difference in inches between Sunak & Sir Keir?
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I remembered Starmer is a diminutive 5ft9 whilst Johnson was a statuesque 5ft 9 and a half.isam said:Without looking it up, what’s the height difference in inches between Sunak & Sir Keir?
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Are they Leon's AI?Sunil_Prasannan said:
You missed this one:TheScreamingEagles said:One of my all time favourite photos to use in PB headers.
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This is setting up nicely to get shot of Sunak before the GE. Perhaps after the locals.0
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Starmer looking quite muscular in that army photo too. Brings back memories of the good ole days.Mexicanpete said:
I remembered Starmer is a diminutive 5ft9 whilst Johnson was a statuesque 5ft 9 and a half.isam said:Without looking it up, what’s the height difference in inches between Sunak & Sir Keir?
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Enough with the Boris obsession!Mexicanpete said:
I remembered Starmer is a diminutive 5ft9 whilst Johnson was a statuesque 5ft 9 and a half.isam said:Without looking it up, what’s the height difference in inches between Sunak & Sir Keir?
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He drew the short straw.kinabalu said:
Soldier playing toy prime ministers?TheScreamingEagles said:One of my all time favourite photos to use in PB headers.
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If you look at the glint on the wallpaper and compare it to that on the carpet.....you might fall asleep.Roger said:
Are they Leon's AI?Sunil_Prasannan said:
You missed this one:TheScreamingEagles said:One of my all time favourite photos to use in PB headers.
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The current Israeli security minister called for the death of Rabin at the time.Sunil_Prasannan said:FPT
In July 1995, Netanyahu led a mock funeral procession featuring a coffin and hangman's noose at an anti-Rabin rally where protesters chanted, "Death to Rabin".[10][11] The chief of internal security, Carmi Gillon, then alerted Netanyahu of a plot on Rabin's life and asked him to moderate the protests' rhetoric, which Netanyahu declined to do.[8][12]Sean_F said:
Netanyahu and his clique should indeed be in gaol. He's been a cancer in Israeli politics for 30 years.Richard_Tyndall said:
I disagree.david_herdson said:
Israel have murdered very few (though still more than they should have, which is zero).Sunil_Prasannan said:
Israel have murdered THIRTEEN TIMES as many people as Hamas in the last ten weeks.MaxPB said:
Maybe, but I do know that Hamas are absolutely in the wrong and eradicating Hamas is a worthy goal, though probably very high cost in blood.rcs1000 said:I have to go now, but I think anyone who thinks that there is any "side" who is absolutely in the right here is living in cloud cuckoo land.
Hamas set out to murder: to kill Jews - any of them, children, the elderly, women, whatever. That was their objective. That is what murder is.
Israel did not set out to kill Palestinians (other than Hamas fighters, who are a legitimate target in war). That Palestinian civilians have died in the conflict was always going to be an inevitable consequence of urban fighting. That is not murder. (FWIW, I think Israel has been reckless in its actions and has paid insufficient attention to civilian casualties at times. Still a different thing though).
By using the same language for the two, you're creating a legal and moral equivalence - and to cite those numbers in that framing is to legitimise Hamas or delegitimise Israel. Or both.
Think carefully.
The current Israeli leadership have set out to murder. They may not have murdered as many innocent people as Hamas (though they have certainly 'killed' far more innocents than Hamas) but this is not a numbers game. Murder is murder and both Hamas and Netenyahu's cabal should be rotting in jail - or preferably Hell.
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Spotify will soon generate whole songs based on user’s history, without even crediting a name (or will make up fake ones that sound different for every account). That’ll be the moment when artist music and music business will split as you’ve anticipate.
https://twitter.com/phil_rouge/status/1737830408769970353
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The sad-but-true head-gear experience of Mike Dukakis remains a potent reminder for aspiring politicos to DITCH THE HAT/HELMET/WTF when engaging in photo ops.Mexicanpete said:
He's not got into the Christmas spirit (no hat).williamglenn said:Health warning for @AverageNinja :
Despite promptings/urgings/warnings of journos/minders/greeters. ESPECIALLY when hanging out with the military.
No wonder JKF eschewed (and allegedly helped kill) the hat.
Last POTUS to wear head-gear with any political success was Calvin Coolidge whose Class-A poker face went well with an (allegedly) Native American warbonnet.
Last UK PM with a flair for hat-wearing was Harold Macmillan, who stunned the Soviets by showing up in Moscow wearing a bigger and better fur hat than anything the Politburo was sporting.
Indeed, when Liz Truss trotted out (apologies to SWP and CUP activists) her Margaret Thatcher at the Kremlin, what what LT was REALLY doing, was imitating MT's own imitation of SuperMac-ovich.
So well done Keir!1 -
Good I hope he has to beg for loose change . Sadly he won’t , he will have hidden assets . Awful man , anyone who enables Trump is beneath contempt .TheScreamingEagles said:Oh dear, how sad, never mind.
Rudy Giuliani has filed for bankruptcy after two election workers sued him for defamation and won $148.1m in damages.
Reuters reported that court documents show Giuliani, Donald Trump’s former attorney and former mayor of New York, filed for bankruptcy protection.
Earlier in the day a Washington DC judge allowed the two Georgia election workers who successfully sued Giuliani to immediately collect their millions in damages.
The workers, Ruby Freeman and her daughter, Shaye Moss, would typically have to wait 30 days before they can start attempts to collect payments, but Beryl Howell agreed that Giuliani has “proven himself to be an unwilling and uncooperative litigant”.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/dec/21/giuliani-148-million-damages-georgia-lawsuit?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other2 -
I can’t believe people so many people were dumb enough, naive enough, to fall for it in the first place. Fucking elderly Red Wall Leavers, desperate for something positive to come from the smoking ashes of Brexit.numbertwelve said:Win a historic victory promising to invest in and level up the North; winning scores of northern Labour seats in the process.
Spend the next 4.5 years doing sod all.
If I were a Tory MP in a red wall seat, or a red wall voter, I would feel utterly betrayed by those at the top of the Party.
The Tories deserve to lose the next election for many reasons, but this is a particularly good one.
These people lived through the 80s, they saw the Tories gut these places. And 30 years later they eagerly swallowed the bullshit and queued up to put their tick in the Leave box and then for Johnson. All because they don’t like foreigners.
Well, they definitely know now that the Tories don’t give a flying fuck about the north. That Brexit was built on Tory lies. The NHS isn’t better. Food isn’t cheaper. There’s still fuel on VAT. There have been considerable downsides. Including the utter contempt the Tories have shown for the north.
It’s a shame we’ve had to suffer so much damage for the scales to fall from these people’s eyes.6 -
Med Wall, rather than Red Wall?ydoethur said:
He's talking about Greece, but Sunak doesn't want to lose his marbles so just needs a minor tour.noneoftheabove said:
It would get short shrift from me, but perhaps suitable for a minor piece.TheScreamingEagles said:One of my all time favourite photos to use in PB headers.
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The strangest thing is that, for the first time in 15 years, we have a PM (supposedly) representing a northern English constituency. Makes it even more bizarre that all this is happening on his watch.Cookie said:SeaShantyIrish2 said:
My own instinct/suspicion/theory (not necessarily in that order) is that Tory electoral strategy is now aiming/hoping/praying to save seats that can still be salvaged. Also visa versa.Cookie said:The text which preceded the graphic in the tweet was, if anything, even more of a fuck you. Basically "by cancelling massive infrastructure projects for the north we are able to spend even more on London". I can only think it must have been put together by one of those Londoners who think most people live in London.
Which apparently do NOT include many in the Red Wall.
But still some in the Blue Wall and/or Outer London?
Not many in the red wall, but there are still a lot of traditional blue (i.e. comfortable middle class, suburban, usually Tory) seats in the north. More than in London, anyway.
I think you're probably right, even if I think as a strategy it's dim.1 -
Can you say "reap what you sow" without meaning "asked for it"? If you can I think it works here with Netanyahu & Co.rcs1000 said:
The current Israeli security minister called for the death of Rabin at the time.Sunil_Prasannan said:FPT
In July 1995, Netanyahu led a mock funeral procession featuring a coffin and hangman's noose at an anti-Rabin rally where protesters chanted, "Death to Rabin".[10][11] The chief of internal security, Carmi Gillon, then alerted Netanyahu of a plot on Rabin's life and asked him to moderate the protests' rhetoric, which Netanyahu declined to do.[8][12]Sean_F said:
Netanyahu and his clique should indeed be in gaol. He's been a cancer in Israeli politics for 30 years.Richard_Tyndall said:
I disagree.david_herdson said:
Israel have murdered very few (though still more than they should have, which is zero).Sunil_Prasannan said:
Israel have murdered THIRTEEN TIMES as many people as Hamas in the last ten weeks.MaxPB said:
Maybe, but I do know that Hamas are absolutely in the wrong and eradicating Hamas is a worthy goal, though probably very high cost in blood.rcs1000 said:I have to go now, but I think anyone who thinks that there is any "side" who is absolutely in the right here is living in cloud cuckoo land.
Hamas set out to murder: to kill Jews - any of them, children, the elderly, women, whatever. That was their objective. That is what murder is.
Israel did not set out to kill Palestinians (other than Hamas fighters, who are a legitimate target in war). That Palestinian civilians have died in the conflict was always going to be an inevitable consequence of urban fighting. That is not murder. (FWIW, I think Israel has been reckless in its actions and has paid insufficient attention to civilian casualties at times. Still a different thing though).
By using the same language for the two, you're creating a legal and moral equivalence - and to cite those numbers in that framing is to legitimise Hamas or delegitimise Israel. Or both.
Think carefully.
The current Israeli leadership have set out to murder. They may not have murdered as many innocent people as Hamas (though they have certainly 'killed' far more innocents than Hamas) but this is not a numbers game. Murder is murder and both Hamas and Netenyahu's cabal should be rotting in jail - or preferably Hell.
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commiserationsAverageNinja said:I'm back home for Christmas and we are having a yummy vegetarian puff pastry pizza tonight. That is all.
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mush for brainsnorthern_monkey said:
I can’t believe people so many people were dumb enough, naive enough, to fall for it in the first place. Fucking elderly Red Wall Leavers, desperate for something positive to come from the smoking ashes of Brexit.numbertwelve said:Win a historic victory promising to invest in and level up the North; winning scores of northern Labour seats in the process.
Spend the next 4.5 years doing sod all.
If I were a Tory MP in a red wall seat, or a red wall voter, I would feel utterly betrayed by those at the top of the Party.
The Tories deserve to lose the next election for many reasons, but this is a particularly good one.
These people lived through the 80s, they saw the Tories gut these places. And 30 years later they eagerly swallowed the bullshit and queued up to put their tick in the Leave box and then for Johnson. All because they don’t like foreigners.
Well, they definitely know now that the Tories don’t give a flying fuck about the north. That Brexit was built on Tory lies. The NHS isn’t better. Food isn’t cheaper. There’s still fuel on VAT. There have been considerable downsides. Including the utter contempt the Tories have shown for the north.
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I always thought Starmer was taller . Regardless although the photo op is a bit misguided it would be beyond cringe if the spineless gimp tried to look tough .0
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He couldn't hold either, he's too Crete in us.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Med Wall, rather than Red Wall?ydoethur said:
He's talking about Greece, but Sunak doesn't want to lose his marbles so just needs a minor tour.noneoftheabove said:
It would get short shrift from me, but perhaps suitable for a minor piece.TheScreamingEagles said:One of my all time favourite photos to use in PB headers.
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Can he recover from the body blow of losing today’s Ventnor by-election?Luckyguy1983 said:This is setting up nicely to get shot of Sunak before the GE. Perhaps after the locals.
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And the new labour government did precisely what for them? These are places that have been electing the red squad for decades only to be ignored who can blame them for trying something different.northern_monkey said:
I can’t believe people so many people were dumb enough, naive enough, to fall for it in the first place. Fucking elderly Red Wall Leavers, desperate for something positive to come from the smoking ashes of Brexit.numbertwelve said:Win a historic victory promising to invest in and level up the North; winning scores of northern Labour seats in the process.
Spend the next 4.5 years doing sod all.
If I were a Tory MP in a red wall seat, or a red wall voter, I would feel utterly betrayed by those at the top of the Party.
The Tories deserve to lose the next election for many reasons, but this is a particularly good one.
These people lived through the 80s, they saw the Tories gut these places. And 30 years later they eagerly swallowed the bullshit and queued up to put their tick in the Leave box and then for Johnson. All because they don’t like foreigners.
Well, they definitely know now that the Tories don’t give a flying fuck about the north. That Brexit was built on Tory lies. The NHS isn’t better. Food isn’t cheaper. There’s still fuel on VAT. There have been considerable downsides. Including the utter contempt the Tories have shown for the north.
It’s a shame we’ve had to suffer so much damage for the scales to fall from these people’s eyes.
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Is it your councillor?IanB2 said:
Can he recover from the body blow of losing today’s Ventnor by-election?Luckyguy1983 said:This is setting up nicely to get shot of Sunak before the GE. Perhaps after the locals.
If so can we see a picture of the majority with the dog for scale?0 -
How do you mean? Kind of generic totally machine made songs of a genre it deduces you like from your listening history? I can't easily imagine that at all.Nigelb said:Spotify will soon generate whole songs based on user’s history, without even crediting a name (or will make up fake ones that sound different for every account). That’ll be the moment when artist music and music business will split as you’ve anticipate.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7nMZvueKNQkinabalu said:
How do you mean? Kind of generic totally machine made songs of a genre it deduces you like from your listening history? I can't easily imagine that at all.Nigelb said:Spotify will soon generate whole songs based on user’s history, without even crediting a name (or will make up fake ones that sound different for every account). That’ll be the moment when artist music and music business will split as you’ve anticipate.
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Certainly seems more in keeping with Labour values than StarmerTheScreamingEagles said:
I've been labouring this point since the 13th of November.TheScreamingEagles said:Only good thing Sunak has done is bring back David Cameron.
Mark my words, when Starmer wins the election he will ask David Cameron to remain Foreign Secretary.0 -
Oh look! Who's a clever boy. Who's a clever boy! Did you enjoy your day playing outside with the Big Boys? Good boy. Now come inside before you catch your death of cold....williamglenn said:Health warning for @AverageNinja :
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Given that the 80s were now more than 30 years ago, a fair chunk of those voters in fact did not live through the 80s; more if you don't start counting until somebody is old and politically aware enough to notice that kind of thing.northern_monkey said:
These people lived through the 80s, they saw the Tories gut these places. And 30 years later they eagerly swallowed the bullshit and queued up to put their tick in the Leave box and then for Johnson. All because they don’t like foreigners.
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It's interesting how many PB rightwingers assumed that it was a dodgy civil servant. Not high Tory Government policy.AverageNinja said:
I thought somebody at the Civil Service was trolling, reminded me of that Tweet during the era of CummingsCookie said:The text which preceded the graphic in the tweet was, if anything, even more of a fuck you. Basically "by cancelling massive infrastructure projects for the north we are able to spend even more on London". I can only think it must have been put together by one of those Londoners who think most people live in London.
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Now if he just turned that down and put some chicken in it ... but it sounds very nice as is.malcolmg said:
commiserationsAverageNinja said:I'm back home for Christmas and we are having a yummy vegetarian puff pastry pizza tonight. That is all.
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Could be both. The civil service is highly politicised these days.Carnyx said:
It's interesting how many PB rightwingers assumed that it was a dodgy civil servant. Not high Tory Government policy.AverageNinja said:
I thought somebody at the Civil Service was trolling, reminded me of that Tweet during the era of CummingsCookie said:The text which preceded the graphic in the tweet was, if anything, even more of a fuck you. Basically "by cancelling massive infrastructure projects for the north we are able to spend even more on London". I can only think it must have been put together by one of those Londoners who think most people live in London.
Mind you, the further implication is there are non-dodgy civil servants out there, which experience suggests isn't the case.0 -
Too busy partying with Farage to bother to read the headline policy at the party conference.....Carnyx said:
It's interesting how many PB rightwingers assumed that it was a dodgy civil servant. Not high Tory Government policy.AverageNinja said:
I thought somebody at the Civil Service was trolling, reminded me of that Tweet during the era of CummingsCookie said:The text which preceded the graphic in the tweet was, if anything, even more of a fuck you. Basically "by cancelling massive infrastructure projects for the north we are able to spend even more on London". I can only think it must have been put together by one of those Londoners who think most people live in London.
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Why are Tories trying to throw the election? What do they know that we don’t? No one is this rubbish. It has to be a stitch up job..0
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Yes but the Leave vote wasn't thirtysomethings, it was sixty somethings so they have no excuse.pm215 said:
Given that the 80s were now more than 30 years ago, a fair chunk of those voters in fact did not live through the 80s; more if you don't start counting until somebody is old and politically aware enough to notice that kind of thing.northern_monkey said:
These people lived through the 80s, they saw the Tories gut these places. And 30 years later they eagerly swallowed the bullshit and queued up to put their tick in the Leave box and then for Johnson. All because they don’t like foreigners.0
