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Is the Government’s Israel approach getting it right? – politicalbetting.com
Is the Government’s Israel approach getting it right? – politicalbetting.com
Thinking about the UK's approach to recent events, do you think the UK should be…More supportive towards Israel than it has been: 16%More critical towards Israel than it has been: 22%Is getting the balance about right: 24%Don't know: 39%https://t.co/9JgMSwKN8H pic.twitter.com/k2PI4a6fXv
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Suits me. My channel is on fire at the moment. Happy to take their advertising money…
I am not at all influenced in that by my experience at the end of term party as a 17 year old in 1977.
Ditto for the other political parties.
(I've had the same experience)
This morning Mrs C asked what was up on PB.
I said they were discussing the Luton fire.
Startled. Even more surprised when I explained that it was caused by someone baling out of a dodgy diesel Roller but that some on PB and even more on the net generally were blaming EVs and going on* about LTNs, Messrs Drakeford and Khan, etc. etc.
(The funny thing is: did anybody on PB jump to the instant conclusion it was terrorism? If they did, I missed it. In comspicuous contrast to Glaswegian scaffies' lorries.)
*not so much on PB, tbf.
So Sunak and Braverman probably getting the tone right for their own voters, if anything a bit understated in support of Israel for them. Starmer however needs to remember to support the Palestinians case too as well as Israel's right to defend itself to keep his voters on side, albeit after Corbyn he will still be careful to reassure Jewish voters anti Semitism in Labour is over
The government may say things in private that it doesn't in public (such is international relations)
Criticising Israel whilst generally supporting it's right to self defence can be tricky to articulate clearly*
Starmer with be loath to distance himself from Israel for fear of association with the lunatics/islamists
*particularly after such awful events
Pity he's not a politician - I reckon he'd have made a good President.
There's potentially more of a problem for Labour, given many of their supporters care passionately about Palestine.
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2023/10/13/be487/1
Jefferson, Madison, Monroe, John Quincy Adams, Van Buren and Buchanan were all Secretary of State before becoming President.
Obviously it's very big among the Corbynite membership but more generally?
So it is London where support for Hamas and anti Israel, pro Palestine feeling is strongest by far. Scotland little different to the rest of the UK in views of Israel and Palestine
It is Starmer therefore with the biggest problem, trying to balance Labour voters who want a more critical approach to Israel and swing voters who rejected Corbyn in 2019 who think the government has got the balance right
https://twitter.com/ScotGovFM/status/1712836194436870589
First Minister
@ScotGovFM
First Minister
@HumzaYousaf
attended a service of prayer and solidarity last night with Scotland’s Jewish community.
Expressing sorrow for those who lost loved ones, he said
@scotgov
stands in solidarity with all communities in Scotland suffering the loss of innocent life.
You should have been kinder to your old one.
The paper is run by Falun Gong, a Chinese religious sect, and claims Jan. 6 and climate change are hoaxes.
https://twitter.com/oneunderscore__/status/1712830734510051616
At one extreme, there's a relatively precise surgical removal of Hamas. Though even that will lead to a lot of collateral damage, and a grim future for Gazan Palastinians.
At the other, there's wipe the place off the map.
The choices Israel decides to make matter for how they will be viewed afterwards.
The Daily Mail has cropped out from it's photos the two huge "No Entry" signs, the "Danger ! Car trap" signs, and does not mention the two "No Through Road" signs set at the previous junction.
(Edit: Forget to mention the ginormous repeated "GUIDED BUSES ONLY" decals painted in the lane, which are so prominent near the lights that the Mail couldn't crop them.)
The main complainant says they have lived in St Ives for 15 years, and the road feature to physically stop twits (I'm being polite) driving their motor vehicles onto the guided busway has been in place since at least 2014 (and is on Streetview). Part of that is to save them from themselves.
There have been problems in the past with dozy drivers taking their cars up the guided busway and blocking it, and placing themselves and others at risk.
I'm inclined to suggest that the driver's license be revoked, or they submit themselves to an eyesight test at their optician. And probably be charged with Driving WIthout Due Care, which it is in spades, as they might not see a crowd of pedestrians next time.
I would be interested in a local view if anyone is on PB tonight.
Streetview, 2014
https://www.google.com/maps/@52.3217158,-0.068605,3a,51.7y,121.81h,88.44t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sVOgHsXVNv1kvxRo_JS3vzQ!2e0!5s20140901T000000!7i13312!8i6656?entry=ttu
1) the Palestinian people have had, and have, a rough deal and a solution (two-state?) needs to be found to restore to them their rights and dignity, and
2) Hamas are a fucking disgrace.
Pity I can't recall where.
Sam Freedman
@Samfr
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Just did a talk to headteachers. One told me he has 40% of his families using his food bank every week. Another that they'd had five children taken into care just last week.
If the next government don't do something about rising deep poverty they're just pissing around tbh.
If you don't care, that is fine.
Haven't owned a printer for at least 15 years.
I don't think Israel is too bothered what the world thinks about what is going on, at least not yet.
Already though opinion in the same poll as the header shows that even a plurality of Tories think that Israel doesn't try to avoid harming civilians.
A really clever way to enforce 20mph. @theDrake
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Lewis Goodall
@lewis_goodall
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Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu: "I want to stress this is just the beginning, our enemies have only just started to pay the price."
Mine has a habit of going into deep sleep mode, which actually seems like more of a coma. Really hard to get it going again.
Food. Energy.
Not sure what else. Rent? Mobile phone bills? What are the very basic costs of surviving?
You're right about savings however. My pet theory about inflation is the stratospheric savings rates richer people had during COVID (no spending on fuel, holidays, restaurants) have been an important reason why demand has been so relentless.
This has turbocharged inequality - the furlough-class have no such savings to burn.
Where as at the bottom of the end, those people don't have these opportunities. It into work every day, as it was throughout COVID.
The Mail are specialists at not quite lying.
Perhaps you can be Pi-di-Po?
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2023/10/13/nigel-farage-bank-lloyds-coutts-account-closure/
They are going to have to send another email offering counselling to the staff.
In one video, Hamas terrorists film themselves attempting to behead an Israeli man who appears to still be alive as he lies in a pool of his own blood.
Evidence of rape and the mutilation of dead bodies with eye gouging also appears in the video clips.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/10/13/israel-powerful-ground-offensive-elite-troops-gaza-hamas/
I am sure the tw@tterati will be going only one, isolated incident...
I got physically assaulted today whilst cycling to school with my 2 young children. The man assaulted me after telling my 2 children to go to school as his mom was going to get beat up. My kids are 8and 9 and this was on the same road as the primary school.
https://road.cc/content/news/school-run-bike-mum-assaulted-driver-front-children-304475
“Lisa Cameron, the SNP MP who defected to the Conservative party on Thursday, said she and her family have been forced to go into hiding in Scotland after she was threatened with being “bricked” in the street.
Cameron, her husband and their two daughters have moved to a secret location in the Scottish countryside after the MP was emailed threats of violence, including “I hope someone throws a brick at you in the street”, “I hope you burn” and “Think your mental health is bad now – wail til you see what abuse and nastiness yer [sic] going to have to put up with”.”
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/oct/13/lisa-cameron-snp-mp-who-defected-to-tories-forced-into-hiding
Dreadful scenes after the IDF hit a convoy of cars heading south after heeding the warning to evacuate . Scenes from hospitals in northern Gaza just bring the chaos and misery home .
How are they going to move patients ?
On the same twitter feed NBC reporting on documents of some Hamas plans to inflict even more horror and to add to the feelgood factor a 95 year old Israeli man telling people to kill their Arab neighbours.
We truly are lucky to live where we do . Life is so often a lottery of where you are born .
Seeing the horror of what’s happening does put things into perspective.
Lewis Goodall
@lewis_goodall
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Alicia Kearns without doubt one of the most impressive MPs in this parliament.
https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1712952304952074698
1) any Israeli death or injury at the hands of Hamas is appalling, and
2) Netanyahu is an odious slimeball and his government, in hoc to a bunch of religious nutters and practising ethnic cleansing in the West Bank, apartheid in Gaza and rigging the constitution at home, is a disgrace to the democratic world, and clearly an incompetent one at that.
If things haven't calmed down by then it might fester "in the background", but there will be many such problems, and I can't see it affecting the outcome much either way.