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  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277

    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Cobalt clouds over Cathar Country: rainstorms say Return, return



    What, to the EU?
    I heard their young hearts crying
    Loveward above the glancing oar
    And heard the prairie grasses sighing:
    No more, return no more!

    O hearts, O sighing grasses,
    Vainly your loveblown bannerets mourn!
    No more will the wild wind that passes
    Return, no more return.
    There once was a man from Looe
    Who pretended to hate the EU
    All knew he was lying -
    That man's always flying
    To Berlin, Milan, and Bayeux
    Not bad. But the first line is all wrong, not enough syllables, and doesn’t flow. Looe is divided into East and West, so you can use that; and you should also include an insult, therefore

    There was an old man from West Looe

    Is a much better opening line
    Your argument rings very true.

    PS I was trying to think of a better city than Bayeux to rhyme with Looe/EU. Couldn't immediately think of one (Chateauroux has too many syllables) so I asked ChatGPT, which came up with this gem:

    Me: Can you think of a European city name that rhymes with 'you'?

    ChatGPT: Certainly! The city name that rhymes with "you" is "Dublin," which is the capital of Ireland.


    So bad it's rather splendid.
    That’s an interesting error

    Because Dublin comes from Dubh-linn = Irish for “black river” - and many Celtic languages pronounce Dubh (black) as Doo - cf Baldhu in Cornish, pronounced, “Bal-doo” = black mine

    Maybe ChatGPT has some weird deep language memory of Celtic pronunciation?! I sometimes find its hallucinations more interesting than its coherent answers

    Bayeux isn’t perfect, the rhyme isn’t exact, maybe Fitou?
  • RattersRatters Posts: 1,076
    kamski said:

    rcs1000 said:

    TimS said:

    TOPPING said:

    stodge said:

    Truss

    "Reduce benefits, raise retirement age, start fracking, abolish the windfall tax, diverge properly from the EU, delay net zero commitments, abandon replacing gas and oil boilers. This will not be easy but it will be worth doing."

    How on earth she thought this would receive any form of acceptance by the public shows her real delusion

    What part of that do you actually feel is bad?
    There's a strong anti-Green streak running through most of that - there's no doubt the climate is changing and while there old argument "China's not doing about it so why should we?" gets trotted out, it's not an excuse. The above measures would need to be counterbalanced by a significant R&D investment into further reducing usage of fossil fueld and mitigating the damage the global environment has suffered.

    The Critic also trots out the tired old line about a very small number of people paying a lot of the tax. Put it another way - 99% of the population pay 72% of the tax - and it sounds and feels different.

    Truss lost me at "Reduce Benefits" - if I'd heard "cut defence spending and raise taxes for the wealthy" I might have swallowed the rest of the guff but her fundamental flaw was it failed the modern test of "fairness". The idea most of us should get a little richer if a very small number get a lot richer is as passe as Corbyn's socialism - we need to move on from seeing economic growth purely in terms of wealthy people getting wealthier and look at different ways of promoting growth.
    Human-caused CO2 emissions are about 4% of total CO2 emissions. Of that 4%, what is it, 1% are ours? Committing economic suicide to
    reduce that meaningfully via reduced consumption is ludicrous. We need creative responses to climate change, not punitive anti-human policies aimed at punishing people for their nasty carbon consuming ways. The people pushing these policies are sociopaths.
    It is interesting that the 4% number is gaining currency around and about (social media, where I have seen it several times, and I don't visit sites particularly one way or another wrt climate change). I wonder if it will take off more broadly and if so what political implications it might have.
    It's a very old chestnut, one of those shrivelled vinegar-soaked conkers that's been through dozens of fights. There are pretty clear rebuttals on this topic from the "Skeptical Science" site from the early noughties. That's the thing with sceptic talking points - they are like whack-a-mole, no matter how often they are knocked on the head by data (other examples being undersea volcanoes, the AMOC, sunspot cycles, urban heat islands, you name it) they always come back, usually unchanged.

    The good news is I spent a lot more time back in the noughties worriedly engaging on social media over these talking points than I need to now. They've gone from a period when especially in America the climate sceptic belief system was pretty powerful, led by the likes of Wattsupwiththat, to one where it's pretty fringe.
    Long winded way to say it's true.
    Is it?

    Or are you only seeing what you want to see?
    I assume that Nasa have crunched their numbers accurately - if you have counter information by all means share.
    Here is what NASA say

    "Human activities have raised the atmosphere’s carbon dioxide content by 50% in less than 200 years."

    https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/carbon-dioxide/

    Hope that helps.
    No that can't be right. We only contribute 4% of carbon emissions. And let's say baseline carbon emissions per year are only 10% of the total in the atmosphere, which are in balance with carbon sinks.

    100 x 1.004^100 = 149. So around a 50% increase.

    So it's clearly completely impossible that such a small annual contribution could have had such a large impact over 200 years.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,812
    edited September 2023

    Buckingham Palace was alerted to concerns about Boris Johnson’s behaviour at the height of the Covid crisis, according to a new documentary.

    Senior officials are said to have expressed fears about the former prime minister’s conduct in the hope that Queen Elizabeth II would take up the matter with him.

    The claims are featured in the second episode of Laura Kuenssberg: State Of Chaos, which explores the turmoil in Westminster between 2016 and 2022.

    Mr Johnson’s team maintains that the Government’s actions were entirely legal and constitutional, and neither the monarch nor any member of the Royal family raised any such issues with him.

    As Britain battled the first Covid wave in May 2020, tensions between the Number 10 political team and the Civil Service were spilling over.

    Helen MacNamara, a former deputy cabinet secretary, told the BBC there was “extreme” talk in the Johnson camp about the failings of Whitehall after he was treated in hospital for the virus

    They were taking a “kind of smash everything up, shut it all down, start again” attitude, she said, adding: “We were systematically in real trouble.”

    Sources told the documentary that senior officials voiced concerns about Mr Johnson’s conduct to the palace in the hope the late Queen would speak to him about the concerns. They even discussed suggesting this course of action to the monarch, the BBC said.

    Government figures are said to have held a number of phone calls and communications with the palace that went beyond routine contact. One source claimed Mr Johnson “had to be reminded of the constitution”, but this was denied by his team.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2023/09/18/officials-palace-concerned-boris-johnson-behaviour-covid/

    That would be the constitution that puts an elected PM in charge and has the Sovereign as an ornamental part? That constitution? What a bunch of pretentious pricks.

    That said, the "extreme" talk sounds very like Dominic Cummings.
  • Liz Truss supporters are plotting a comeback
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqss6pCWuOM

    New Statesman podcast.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,859
    edited September 2023

    Buckingham Palace was alerted to concerns about Boris Johnson’s behaviour at the height of the Covid crisis, according to a new documentary.

    Senior officials are said to have expressed fears about the former prime minister’s conduct in the hope that Queen Elizabeth II would take up the matter with him.

    The claims are featured in the second episode of Laura Kuenssberg: State Of Chaos, which explores the turmoil in Westminster between 2016 and 2022.

    Mr Johnson’s team maintains that the Government’s actions were entirely legal and constitutional, and neither the monarch nor any member of the Royal family raised any such issues with him.

    As Britain battled the first Covid wave in May 2020, tensions between the Number 10 political team and the Civil Service were spilling over.

    Helen MacNamara, a former deputy cabinet secretary, told the BBC there was “extreme” talk in the Johnson camp about the failings of Whitehall after he was treated in hospital for the virus

    They were taking a “kind of smash everything up, shut it all down, start again” attitude, she said, adding: “We were systematically in real trouble.”

    Sources told the documentary that senior officials voiced concerns about Mr Johnson’s conduct to the palace in the hope the late Queen would speak to him about the concerns. They even discussed suggesting this course of action to the monarch, the BBC said.

    Government figures are said to have held a number of phone calls and communications with the palace that went beyond routine contact. One source claimed Mr Johnson “had to be reminded of the constitution”, but this was denied by his team.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2023/09/18/officials-palace-concerned-boris-johnson-behaviour-covid/

    The second episode of Laura Kuenssberg: State Of Chaos is on iplayer now for PBers who cannot wait until 9pm (and for Telegraph journalists).
    And for those outside the country it’s also on YouTube, by SeriesHouse

    I’m viewer number 135
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277

    Liz Truss supporters are plotting a comeback
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqss6pCWuOM

    New Statesman podcast.

    That’s like saying “supporters of Port Vale are plotting a comeback”
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,376
    Leon said:

    Liz Truss supporters are plotting a comeback
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqss6pCWuOM

    New Statesman podcast.

    That’s like saying “supporters of Port Vale are plotting a comeback”
    Well Robbie Williams is a Vale fan……..
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,663
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Cobalt clouds over Cathar Country: rainstorms say Return, return



    What, to the EU?
    I heard their young hearts crying
    Loveward above the glancing oar
    And heard the prairie grasses sighing:
    No more, return no more!

    O hearts, O sighing grasses,
    Vainly your loveblown bannerets mourn!
    No more will the wild wind that passes
    Return, no more return.
    There once was a man from Looe
    Who pretended to hate the EU
    All knew he was lying -
    That man's always flying
    To Berlin, Milan, and Bayeux
    Not bad. But the first line is all wrong, not enough syllables, and doesn’t flow. Looe is divided into East and West, so you can use that; and you should also include an insult, therefore

    There was an old man from West Looe

    Is a much better opening line
    Your argument rings very true.

    PS I was trying to think of a better city than Bayeux to rhyme with Looe/EU. Couldn't immediately think of one (Chateauroux has too many syllables) so I asked ChatGPT, which came up with this gem:

    Me: Can you think of a European city name that rhymes with 'you'?

    ChatGPT: Certainly! The city name that rhymes with "you" is "Dublin," which is the capital of Ireland.


    So bad it's rather splendid.
    That’s an interesting error

    Because Dublin comes from Dubh-linn = Irish for “black river” - and many Celtic languages pronounce Dubh (black) as Doo - cf Baldhu in Cornish, pronounced, “Bal-doo” = black mine

    Maybe ChatGPT has some weird deep language memory of Celtic pronunciation?! I sometimes find its hallucinations more interesting than its coherent answers

    Bayeux isn’t perfect, the rhyme isn’t exact, maybe Fitou?
    Fitou's good!
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,153

    Liz Truss supporters are plotting a comeback
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqss6pCWuOM

    New Statesman podcast.

    @Luckyguy1983 , is that you?
  • Liz Truss supporters are plotting a comeback
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqss6pCWuOM

    New Statesman podcast.

    The New Statesman (as played by Rik Mayall) has a better chance.
  • Liz Truss supporters are plotting a comeback
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqss6pCWuOM

    New Statesman podcast.

    The New Statesman (as played by Rik Mayall) has a better chance.
    You will like the parallel between Liz Truss and... Keir Starmer.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Cobalt clouds over Cathar Country: rainstorms say Return, return



    What, to the EU?
    I heard their young hearts crying
    Loveward above the glancing oar
    And heard the prairie grasses sighing:
    No more, return no more!

    O hearts, O sighing grasses,
    Vainly your loveblown bannerets mourn!
    No more will the wild wind that passes
    Return, no more return.
    There once was a man from Looe
    Who pretended to hate the EU
    All knew he was lying -
    That man's always flying
    To Berlin, Milan, and Bayeux
    Not bad. But the first line is all wrong, not enough syllables, and doesn’t flow. Looe is divided into East and West, so you can use that; and you should also include an insult, therefore

    There was an old man from West Looe

    Is a much better opening line
    Your argument rings very true.

    PS I was trying to think of a better city than Bayeux to rhyme with Looe/EU. Couldn't immediately think of one (Chateauroux has too many syllables) so I asked ChatGPT, which came up with this gem:

    Me: Can you think of a European city name that rhymes with 'you'?

    ChatGPT: Certainly! The city name that rhymes with "you" is "Dublin," which is the capital of Ireland.


    So bad it's rather splendid.
    That’s an interesting error

    Because Dublin comes from Dubh-linn = Irish for “black river” - and many Celtic languages pronounce Dubh (black) as Doo - cf Baldhu in Cornish, pronounced, “Bal-doo” = black mine

    Maybe ChatGPT has some weird deep language memory of Celtic pronunciation?! I sometimes find its hallucinations more interesting than its coherent answers

    Bayeux isn’t perfect, the rhyme isn’t exact, maybe Fitou?
    Fitou's good!
    There are surprisingly few continental names ending in a pure “oo” sound

    Waterloo, but that doesn’t fit the metre
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,829
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Cobalt clouds over Cathar Country: rainstorms say Return, return



    What, to the EU?
    I heard their young hearts crying
    Loveward above the glancing oar
    And heard the prairie grasses sighing:
    No more, return no more!

    O hearts, O sighing grasses,
    Vainly your loveblown bannerets mourn!
    No more will the wild wind that passes
    Return, no more return.
    There once was a man from Looe
    Who pretended to hate the EU
    All knew he was lying -
    That man's always flying
    To Berlin, Milan, and Bayeux
    Not bad. But the first line is all wrong, not enough syllables, and doesn’t flow. Looe is divided into East and West, so you can use that; and you should also include an insult, therefore

    There was an old man from West Looe

    Is a much better opening line
    Your argument rings very true.

    PS I was trying to think of a better city than Bayeux to rhyme with Looe/EU. Couldn't immediately think of one (Chateauroux has too many syllables) so I asked ChatGPT, which came up with this gem:

    Me: Can you think of a European city name that rhymes with 'you'?

    ChatGPT: Certainly! The city name that rhymes with "you" is "Dublin," which is the capital of Ireland.


    So bad it's rather splendid.
    That’s an interesting error

    Because Dublin comes from Dubh-linn = Irish for “black river” - and many Celtic languages pronounce Dubh (black) as Doo - cf Baldhu in Cornish, pronounced, “Bal-doo” = black mine

    Maybe ChatGPT has some weird deep language memory of Celtic pronunciation?! I sometimes find its hallucinations more interesting than its coherent answers

    Bayeux isn’t perfect, the rhyme isn’t exact, maybe Fitou?
    Fitou's good!
    There are surprisingly few continental names ending in a pure “oo” sound

    Waterloo, but that doesn’t fit the metre
    Het Loo. IN Apeldoorn. Any good?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,188

    Liz Truss supporters are plotting a comeback
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqss6pCWuOM

    New Statesman podcast.

    All two of them ?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Cobalt clouds over Cathar Country: rainstorms say Return, return



    What, to the EU?
    I heard their young hearts crying
    Loveward above the glancing oar
    And heard the prairie grasses sighing:
    No more, return no more!

    O hearts, O sighing grasses,
    Vainly your loveblown bannerets mourn!
    No more will the wild wind that passes
    Return, no more return.
    There once was a man from Looe
    Who pretended to hate the EU
    All knew he was lying -
    That man's always flying
    To Berlin, Milan, and Bayeux
    Not bad. But the first line is all wrong, not enough syllables, and doesn’t flow. Looe is divided into East and West, so you can use that; and you should also include an insult, therefore

    There was an old man from West Looe

    Is a much better opening line
    Your argument rings very true.

    PS I was trying to think of a better city than Bayeux to rhyme with Looe/EU. Couldn't immediately think of one (Chateauroux has too many syllables) so I asked ChatGPT, which came up with this gem:

    Me: Can you think of a European city name that rhymes with 'you'?

    ChatGPT: Certainly! The city name that rhymes with "you" is "Dublin," which is the capital of Ireland.


    So bad it's rather splendid.
    That’s an interesting error

    Because Dublin comes from Dubh-linn = Irish for “black river” - and many Celtic languages pronounce Dubh (black) as Doo - cf Baldhu in Cornish, pronounced, “Bal-doo” = black mine

    Maybe ChatGPT has some weird deep language memory of Celtic pronunciation?! I sometimes find its hallucinations more interesting than its coherent answers

    Bayeux isn’t perfect, the rhyme isn’t exact, maybe Fitou?
    Fitou's good!
    There are surprisingly few continental names ending in a pure “oo” sound

    Waterloo, but that doesn’t fit the metre
    Het Loo. IN Apeldoorn. Any good?
    Not bad! Shame it’s two separate words but definitely close

    This is real niche PB Monday evening talk. European place-names ending in OO
  • TimS said:

    TimS said:

    TOPPING said:

    stodge said:

    Truss

    "Reduce benefits, raise retirement age, start fracking, abolish the windfall tax, diverge properly from the EU, delay net zero commitments, abandon replacing gas and oil boilers. This will not be easy but it will be worth doing."

    How on earth she thought this would receive any form of acceptance by the public shows her real delusion

    What part of that do you actually feel is bad?
    There's a strong anti-Green streak running through most of that - there's no doubt the climate is changing and while there old argument "China's not doing about it so why should we?" gets trotted out, it's not an excuse. The above measures would need to be counterbalanced by a significant R&D investment into further reducing usage of fossil fueld and mitigating the damage the global environment has suffered.

    The Critic also trots out the tired old line about a very small number of people paying a lot of the tax. Put it another way - 99% of the population pay 72% of the tax - and it sounds and feels different.

    Truss lost me at "Reduce Benefits" - if I'd heard "cut defence spending and raise taxes for the wealthy" I might have swallowed the rest of the guff but her fundamental flaw was it failed the modern test of "fairness". The idea most of us should get a little richer if a very small number get a lot richer is as passe as Corbyn's socialism - we need to move on from seeing economic growth purely in terms of wealthy people getting wealthier and look at different ways of promoting growth.
    Human-caused CO2 emissions are about 4% of total CO2 emissions. Of that 4%, what is it, 1% are ours? Committing economic suicide to
    reduce that meaningfully via reduced consumption is ludicrous. We need creative responses to climate change, not punitive anti-human policies aimed at punishing people for their nasty carbon consuming ways. The people pushing these policies are sociopaths.
    It is interesting that the 4% number is gaining currency around and about (social media, where I have seen it several times, and I don't visit sites particularly one way or another wrt climate change). I wonder if it will take off more broadly and if so what political implications it might have.
    It's a very old chestnut, one of those shrivelled vinegar-soaked conkers that's been through dozens of fights. There are pretty clear rebuttals on this topic from the "Skeptical Science" site from the early noughties. That's the thing with sceptic talking points - they are like whack-a-mole, no matter how often they are knocked on the head by data (other examples being undersea volcanoes, the AMOC, sunspot cycles, urban heat islands, you name it) they always come back, usually unchanged.

    The good news is I spent a lot more time back in the noughties worriedly engaging on social media over these talking points than I need to now. They've gone from a period when especially in America the climate sceptic belief system was pretty powerful, led by the likes of Wattsupwiththat, to one where it's pretty fringe.
    Long winded way to say it's true.
    True like every year’s deforestation is only x% of the Amazon, or “most schools won’t collapse”, yes.
    I'm not aware of any injuries caused by the aerated concrete, ever, and my Dad (in the construction industry for 50 years) thinks the urgency of the situation is largely a case of structural engineering consultancies lining their own pockets, so the climate crisis in microcosm essentially.
    Your approach of declaring that everything isn’t really a problem and we don’t need to spend any money on it would probably serve you well if you wanted to be an advisor to Rishi Sunak. The rest of the country, however, can see it hasn’t worked.
    Except that there really haven't been any children injured by this concrete falling on them, so (whilst the concrete probably wasn't a great material to use), a case of reality stubbornly refusing to conform to the crisis narrative.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,663
    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Cobalt clouds over Cathar Country: rainstorms say Return, return



    What, to the EU?
    I heard their young hearts crying
    Loveward above the glancing oar
    And heard the prairie grasses sighing:
    No more, return no more!

    O hearts, O sighing grasses,
    Vainly your loveblown bannerets mourn!
    No more will the wild wind that passes
    Return, no more return.
    There once was a man from Looe
    Who pretended to hate the EU
    All knew he was lying -
    That man's always flying
    To Berlin, Milan, and Bayeux
    Not bad. But the first line is all wrong, not enough syllables, and doesn’t flow. Looe is divided into East and West, so you can use that; and you should also include an insult, therefore

    There was an old man from West Looe

    Is a much better opening line
    Your argument rings very true.

    PS I was trying to think of a better city than Bayeux to rhyme with Looe/EU. Couldn't immediately think of one (Chateauroux has too many syllables) so I asked ChatGPT, which came up with this gem:

    Me: Can you think of a European city name that rhymes with 'you'?

    ChatGPT: Certainly! The city name that rhymes with "you" is "Dublin," which is the capital of Ireland.


    So bad it's rather splendid.
    That’s an interesting error

    Because Dublin comes from Dubh-linn = Irish for “black river” - and many Celtic languages pronounce Dubh (black) as Doo - cf Baldhu in Cornish, pronounced, “Bal-doo” = black mine

    Maybe ChatGPT has some weird deep language memory of Celtic pronunciation?! I sometimes find its hallucinations more interesting than its coherent answers

    Bayeux isn’t perfect, the rhyme isn’t exact, maybe Fitou?
    Fitou's good!
    There are surprisingly few continental names ending in a pure “oo” sound

    Waterloo, but that doesn’t fit the metre
    Het Loo. IN Apeldoorn. Any good?
    Not bad! Shame it’s two separate words but definitely close

    This is real niche PB Monday evening talk. European place-names ending in OO
    Maybe we're finally facing our Waterloo?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,829
    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Cobalt clouds over Cathar Country: rainstorms say Return, return



    What, to the EU?
    I heard their young hearts crying
    Loveward above the glancing oar
    And heard the prairie grasses sighing:
    No more, return no more!

    O hearts, O sighing grasses,
    Vainly your loveblown bannerets mourn!
    No more will the wild wind that passes
    Return, no more return.
    There once was a man from Looe
    Who pretended to hate the EU
    All knew he was lying -
    That man's always flying
    To Berlin, Milan, and Bayeux
    Not bad. But the first line is all wrong, not enough syllables, and doesn’t flow. Looe is divided into East and West, so you can use that; and you should also include an insult, therefore

    There was an old man from West Looe

    Is a much better opening line
    Your argument rings very true.

    PS I was trying to think of a better city than Bayeux to rhyme with Looe/EU. Couldn't immediately think of one (Chateauroux has too many syllables) so I asked ChatGPT, which came up with this gem:

    Me: Can you think of a European city name that rhymes with 'you'?

    ChatGPT: Certainly! The city name that rhymes with "you" is "Dublin," which is the capital of Ireland.


    So bad it's rather splendid.
    That’s an interesting error

    Because Dublin comes from Dubh-linn = Irish for “black river” - and many Celtic languages pronounce Dubh (black) as Doo - cf Baldhu in Cornish, pronounced, “Bal-doo” = black mine

    Maybe ChatGPT has some weird deep language memory of Celtic pronunciation?! I sometimes find its hallucinations more interesting than its coherent answers

    Bayeux isn’t perfect, the rhyme isn’t exact, maybe Fitou?
    Fitou's good!
    There are surprisingly few continental names ending in a pure “oo” sound

    Waterloo, but that doesn’t fit the metre
    Het Loo. IN Apeldoorn. Any good?
    Not bad! Shame it’s two separate words but definitely close

    This is real niche PB Monday evening talk. European place-names ending in OO
    It IS a place name - the palace or house or whatever of William of Orange. And who cares about two words or one? Dùn Èideann is two words in Lothian but one in Dunedin NZ.
  • Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Cobalt clouds over Cathar Country: rainstorms say Return, return



    What, to the EU?
    I heard their young hearts crying
    Loveward above the glancing oar
    And heard the prairie grasses sighing:
    No more, return no more!

    O hearts, O sighing grasses,
    Vainly your loveblown bannerets mourn!
    No more will the wild wind that passes
    Return, no more return.
    There once was a man from Looe
    Who pretended to hate the EU
    All knew he was lying -
    That man's always flying
    To Berlin, Milan, and Bayeux
    Not bad. But the first line is all wrong, not enough syllables, and doesn’t flow. Looe is divided into East and West, so you can use that; and you should also include an insult, therefore

    There was an old man from West Looe

    Is a much better opening line
    Your argument rings very true.

    PS I was trying to think of a better city than Bayeux to rhyme with Looe/EU. Couldn't immediately think of one (Chateauroux has too many syllables) so I asked ChatGPT, which came up with this gem:

    Me: Can you think of a European city name that rhymes with 'you'?

    ChatGPT: Certainly! The city name that rhymes with "you" is "Dublin," which is the capital of Ireland.


    So bad it's rather splendid.
    That’s an interesting error

    Because Dublin comes from Dubh-linn = Irish for “black river” - and many Celtic languages pronounce Dubh (black) as Doo - cf Baldhu in Cornish, pronounced, “Bal-doo” = black mine

    Maybe ChatGPT has some weird deep language memory of Celtic pronunciation?! I sometimes find its hallucinations more interesting than its coherent answers

    Bayeux isn’t perfect, the rhyme isn’t exact, maybe Fitou?
    Fitou's good!
    There are surprisingly few continental names ending in a pure “oo” sound

    Waterloo, but that doesn’t fit the metre
    Het Loo. IN Apeldoorn. Any good?
    Not bad! Shame it’s two separate words but definitely close

    This is real niche PB Monday evening talk. European place-names ending in OO
    Only on PB. :lol:

    Maybe time we had a whip around to support Mike's costs? Because there is nowhere else like this on the 'Net.
  • Pulpstar said:

    Liz Truss supporters are plotting a comeback
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqss6pCWuOM

    New Statesman podcast.

    All two of them ?
    Kwasi isn't one of them anymore. He told Observer (iirc) this weekend that she was not PM material.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,051

    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    TOPPING said:

    stodge said:

    Truss

    "Reduce benefits, raise retirement age, start fracking, abolish the windfall tax, diverge properly from the EU, delay net zero commitments, abandon replacing gas and oil boilers. This will not be easy but it will be worth doing."

    How on earth she thought this would receive any form of acceptance by the public shows her real delusion

    What part of that do you actually feel is bad?
    There's a strong anti-Green streak running through most of that - there's no doubt the climate is changing and while there old argument "China's not doing about it so why should we?" gets trotted out, it's not an excuse. The above measures would need to be counterbalanced by a significant R&D investment into further reducing usage of fossil fueld and mitigating the damage the global environment has suffered.

    The Critic also trots out the tired old line about a very small number of people paying a lot of the tax. Put it another way - 99% of the population pay 72% of the tax - and it sounds and feels different.

    Truss lost me at "Reduce Benefits" - if I'd heard "cut defence spending and raise taxes for the wealthy" I might have swallowed the rest of the guff but her fundamental flaw was it failed the modern test of "fairness". The idea most of us should get a little richer if a very small number get a lot richer is as passe as Corbyn's socialism - we need to move on from seeing economic growth purely in terms of wealthy people getting wealthier and look at different ways of promoting growth.
    Human-caused CO2 emissions are about 4% of total CO2 emissions. Of that 4%, what is it, 1% are ours? Committing economic suicide to
    reduce that meaningfully via reduced consumption is ludicrous. We need creative responses to climate change, not punitive anti-human policies aimed at punishing people for their nasty carbon consuming ways. The people pushing these policies are sociopaths.
    It is interesting that the 4% number is gaining currency around and about (social media, where I have seen it several times, and I don't visit sites particularly one way or another wrt climate change). I wonder if it will take off more broadly and if so what political implications it might have.
    It's a very old chestnut, one of those shrivelled vinegar-soaked conkers that's been through dozens of fights. There are pretty clear rebuttals on this topic from the "Skeptical Science" site from the early noughties. That's the thing with sceptic talking points - they are like whack-a-mole, no matter how often they are knocked on the head by data (other examples being undersea volcanoes, the AMOC, sunspot cycles, urban heat islands, you name it) they always come back, usually unchanged.

    The good news is I spent a lot more time back in the noughties worriedly engaging on social media over these talking points than I need to now. They've gone from a period when especially in America the climate sceptic belief system was pretty powerful, led by the likes of Wattsupwiththat, to one where it's pretty fringe.
    Long winded way to say it's true.
    True like every year’s deforestation is only x% of the Amazon, or “most schools won’t collapse”, yes.
    I'm not aware of any injuries caused by the aerated concrete, ever, and my Dad (in the construction industry for 50 years) thinks the urgency of the situation is largely a case of structural engineering consultancies lining their own pockets, so the climate crisis in microcosm essentially.
    Your approach of declaring that everything isn’t really a problem and we don’t need to spend any money on it would probably serve you well if you wanted to be an advisor to Rishi Sunak. The rest of the country, however, can see it hasn’t worked.
    Except that there really haven't been any children injured by this concrete falling on them, so (whilst the concrete probably wasn't a great material to use), a case of reality stubbornly refusing to conform to the crisis narrative.
    A roof collapsed unexpectedly at a primary school in Kent in 2018. It did so on a Saturday evening and so no children were hurt. Should we do nothing and wait for a collapse to happen during school hours?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Cobalt clouds over Cathar Country: rainstorms say Return, return



    What, to the EU?
    I heard their young hearts crying
    Loveward above the glancing oar
    And heard the prairie grasses sighing:
    No more, return no more!

    O hearts, O sighing grasses,
    Vainly your loveblown bannerets mourn!
    No more will the wild wind that passes
    Return, no more return.
    There once was a man from Looe
    Who pretended to hate the EU
    All knew he was lying -
    That man's always flying
    To Berlin, Milan, and Bayeux
    Not bad. But the first line is all wrong, not enough syllables, and doesn’t flow. Looe is divided into East and West, so you can use that; and you should also include an insult, therefore

    There was an old man from West Looe

    Is a much better opening line
    Your argument rings very true.

    PS I was trying to think of a better city than Bayeux to rhyme with Looe/EU. Couldn't immediately think of one (Chateauroux has too many syllables) so I asked ChatGPT, which came up with this gem:

    Me: Can you think of a European city name that rhymes with 'you'?

    ChatGPT: Certainly! The city name that rhymes with "you" is "Dublin," which is the capital of Ireland.


    So bad it's rather splendid.
    That’s an interesting error

    Because Dublin comes from Dubh-linn = Irish for “black river” - and many Celtic languages pronounce Dubh (black) as Doo - cf Baldhu in Cornish, pronounced, “Bal-doo” = black mine

    Maybe ChatGPT has some weird deep language memory of Celtic pronunciation?! I sometimes find its hallucinations more interesting than its coherent answers

    Bayeux isn’t perfect, the rhyme isn’t exact, maybe Fitou?
    Fitou's good!
    There are surprisingly few continental names ending in a pure “oo” sound

    Waterloo, but that doesn’t fit the metre
    Het Loo. IN Apeldoorn. Any good?
    Not bad! Shame it’s two separate words but definitely close

    This is real niche PB Monday evening talk. European place-names ending in OO
    It IS a place name - the palace or house or whatever of William of Orange. And who cares about two words or one? Dùn Èideann is two words in Lothian but one in Dunedin NZ.
    Given that @Farooq came up with the original limerick, I suggest he chooses the correct improvement
  • Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Cobalt clouds over Cathar Country: rainstorms say Return, return



    What, to the EU?
    I heard their young hearts crying
    Loveward above the glancing oar
    And heard the prairie grasses sighing:
    No more, return no more!

    O hearts, O sighing grasses,
    Vainly your loveblown bannerets mourn!
    No more will the wild wind that passes
    Return, no more return.
    There once was a man from Looe
    Who pretended to hate the EU
    All knew he was lying -
    That man's always flying
    To Berlin, Milan, and Bayeux
    Not bad. But the first line is all wrong, not enough syllables, and doesn’t flow. Looe is divided into East and West, so you can use that; and you should also include an insult, therefore

    There was an old man from West Looe

    Is a much better opening line
    Your argument rings very true.

    PS I was trying to think of a better city than Bayeux to rhyme with Looe/EU. Couldn't immediately think of one (Chateauroux has too many syllables) so I asked ChatGPT, which came up with this gem:

    Me: Can you think of a European city name that rhymes with 'you'?

    ChatGPT: Certainly! The city name that rhymes with "you" is "Dublin," which is the capital of Ireland.


    So bad it's rather splendid.
    That’s an interesting error

    Because Dublin comes from Dubh-linn = Irish for “black river” - and many Celtic languages pronounce Dubh (black) as Doo - cf Baldhu in Cornish, pronounced, “Bal-doo” = black mine

    Maybe ChatGPT has some weird deep language memory of Celtic pronunciation?! I sometimes find its hallucinations more interesting than its coherent answers

    Bayeux isn’t perfect, the rhyme isn’t exact, maybe Fitou?
    "Can you think of a European city name that rhymes with 'you'?"

    Turku - Finland.

  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Cobalt clouds over Cathar Country: rainstorms say Return, return



    What, to the EU?
    I heard their young hearts crying
    Loveward above the glancing oar
    And heard the prairie grasses sighing:
    No more, return no more!

    O hearts, O sighing grasses,
    Vainly your loveblown bannerets mourn!
    No more will the wild wind that passes
    Return, no more return.
    There once was a man from Looe
    Who pretended to hate the EU
    All knew he was lying -
    That man's always flying
    To Berlin, Milan, and Bayeux
    Not bad. But the first line is all wrong, not enough syllables, and doesn’t flow. Looe is divided into East and West, so you can use that; and you should also include an insult, therefore

    There was an old man from West Looe

    Is a much better opening line
    Your argument rings very true.

    PS I was trying to think of a better city than Bayeux to rhyme with Looe/EU. Couldn't immediately think of one (Chateauroux has too many syllables) so I asked ChatGPT, which came up with this gem:

    Me: Can you think of a European city name that rhymes with 'you'?

    ChatGPT: Certainly! The city name that rhymes with "you" is "Dublin," which is the capital of Ireland.


    So bad it's rather splendid.
    That’s an interesting error

    Because Dublin comes from Dubh-linn = Irish for “black river” - and many Celtic languages pronounce Dubh (black) as Doo - cf Baldhu in Cornish, pronounced, “Bal-doo” = black mine

    Maybe ChatGPT has some weird deep language memory of Celtic pronunciation?! I sometimes find its hallucinations more interesting than its coherent answers

    Bayeux isn’t perfect, the rhyme isn’t exact, maybe Fitou?
    "Can you think of a European city name that rhymes with 'you'?"

    Turku - Finland.


    Very good, A possible winner, i suggest. Also the fact it’s Finnish makes it more interestingly provocative
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,874
    Evening all :)

    Reviewing the entrails of R&W this evening, the 2019 Conservative vote splits 55% Conservative, 15% Labour, 13% Don't Know, 7% Reform, 7% LD and 3% Green.

    That DK figure sits pretty much with the main DK figures for male and female voters so the 2019 Conservative vote not seeming to have this big pool of Don't Knows (at least on this poll).

    Including the DKs, England splits Labour 39.5%, Conservative 24.5%, Lib Dem 12.5%, Don't Know 12%, Green 5%, Reform 5%.

    Removing the DKs and it's Labour 45%, Conservatives 28%, LD 14%, Green 6%, Reform 6%

    That's a 15% swing from December 2019 from Conservative to Labour in England and a 10.5% swing from Conservative to Liberal Democrat (weighted sample).

    The R&W poll on 2nd -3rd January had headline numbers of Labour 47%, Conservative 27% and LD 12% so the changes are Labour down three, Conservatives down one and the Liberal Democrats up two but in essence very little change despite the events of the year to date.

    Perhaps the more significant trait is in the January poll Sunak led Starmer 38-36 on better Prime Minister but now Starmer leads 42-33 - itself a 5.5% swing.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    So the final limerick is



    There was an old man from West Looe
    Who pretended to hate the EU
    All knew he was lying -
    That man's always flying
    To Berlin, Milan, and Turku


    Well done, everyone. And people say the internet is just a place to waste time!
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,496

    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Cobalt clouds over Cathar Country: rainstorms say Return, return



    What, to the EU?
    I heard their young hearts crying
    Loveward above the glancing oar
    And heard the prairie grasses sighing:
    No more, return no more!

    O hearts, O sighing grasses,
    Vainly your loveblown bannerets mourn!
    No more will the wild wind that passes
    Return, no more return.
    There once was a man from Looe
    Who pretended to hate the EU
    All knew he was lying -
    That man's always flying
    To Berlin, Milan, and Bayeux
    Not bad. But the first line is all wrong, not enough syllables, and doesn’t flow. Looe is divided into East and West, so you can use that; and you should also include an insult, therefore

    There was an old man from West Looe

    Is a much better opening line
    Your argument rings very true.

    PS I was trying to think of a better city than Bayeux to rhyme with Looe/EU. Couldn't immediately think of one (Chateauroux has too many syllables) so I asked ChatGPT, which came up with this gem:

    Me: Can you think of a European city name that rhymes with 'you'?

    ChatGPT: Certainly! The city name that rhymes with "you" is "Dublin," which is the capital of Ireland.


    So bad it's rather splendid.
    Timbuktu
    Will do
    To rhyme with Looe.
    Though, of course, not in the EU.
  • algarkirk said:

    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Cobalt clouds over Cathar Country: rainstorms say Return, return



    What, to the EU?
    I heard their young hearts crying
    Loveward above the glancing oar
    And heard the prairie grasses sighing:
    No more, return no more!

    O hearts, O sighing grasses,
    Vainly your loveblown bannerets mourn!
    No more will the wild wind that passes
    Return, no more return.
    There once was a man from Looe
    Who pretended to hate the EU
    All knew he was lying -
    That man's always flying
    To Berlin, Milan, and Bayeux
    Not bad. But the first line is all wrong, not enough syllables, and doesn’t flow. Looe is divided into East and West, so you can use that; and you should also include an insult, therefore

    There was an old man from West Looe

    Is a much better opening line
    Your argument rings very true.

    PS I was trying to think of a better city than Bayeux to rhyme with Looe/EU. Couldn't immediately think of one (Chateauroux has too many syllables) so I asked ChatGPT, which came up with this gem:

    Me: Can you think of a European city name that rhymes with 'you'?

    ChatGPT: Certainly! The city name that rhymes with "you" is "Dublin," which is the capital of Ireland.


    So bad it's rather splendid.
    Timbuktu
    Will do
    To rhyme with Looe.
    Though, of course, not in the EU.
    Yet.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    Rrrrright, tomorrow i must start my slooooow travels home. A demain, mes amis
  • La Truss is back on our screens. Who do you reckon is happier about that - Cons or Lab?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,663
    algarkirk said:

    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Cobalt clouds over Cathar Country: rainstorms say Return, return



    What, to the EU?
    I heard their young hearts crying
    Loveward above the glancing oar
    And heard the prairie grasses sighing:
    No more, return no more!

    O hearts, O sighing grasses,
    Vainly your loveblown bannerets mourn!
    No more will the wild wind that passes
    Return, no more return.
    There once was a man from Looe
    Who pretended to hate the EU
    All knew he was lying -
    That man's always flying
    To Berlin, Milan, and Bayeux
    Not bad. But the first line is all wrong, not enough syllables, and doesn’t flow. Looe is divided into East and West, so you can use that; and you should also include an insult, therefore

    There was an old man from West Looe

    Is a much better opening line
    Your argument rings very true.

    PS I was trying to think of a better city than Bayeux to rhyme with Looe/EU. Couldn't immediately think of one (Chateauroux has too many syllables) so I asked ChatGPT, which came up with this gem:

    Me: Can you think of a European city name that rhymes with 'you'?

    ChatGPT: Certainly! The city name that rhymes with "you" is "Dublin," which is the capital of Ireland.


    So bad it's rather splendid.
    Timbuktu
    Will do
    To rhyme with Looe.
    Though, of course, not in the EU.
    So too Xanadu:
    Also not in the EU,
    But in a haiku.
  • Leon said:

    So the final limerick is



    There was an old man from West Looe
    Who pretended to hate the EU
    All knew he was lying -
    That man's always flying
    To Berlin, Milan, and Turku


    Well done, everyone. And people say the internet is just a place to waste time!

    Espoo, quite a big Finnish town/city.
    Some comedic potential also.
  • Leon said:

    Rrrrright, tomorrow i must start my slooooow travels home. A demain, mes amis

    Be advised. 'Home' is wet and windy and distinctly autumnal.

  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,812

    Pulpstar said:

    Liz Truss supporters are plotting a comeback
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqss6pCWuOM

    New Statesman podcast.

    All two of them ?
    Kwasi isn't one of them anymore. He told Observer (iirc) this weekend that she was not PM material.
    What could possibly have made him think that?
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,496
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Cobalt clouds over Cathar Country: rainstorms say Return, return



    What, to the EU?
    I heard their young hearts crying
    Loveward above the glancing oar
    And heard the prairie grasses sighing:
    No more, return no more!

    O hearts, O sighing grasses,
    Vainly your loveblown bannerets mourn!
    No more will the wild wind that passes
    Return, no more return.
    There once was a man from Looe
    Who pretended to hate the EU
    All knew he was lying -
    That man's always flying
    To Berlin, Milan, and Bayeux
    Not bad. But the first line is all wrong, not enough syllables, and doesn’t flow. Looe is divided into East and West, so you can use that; and you should also include an insult, therefore

    There was an old man from West Looe

    Is a much better opening line
    Your argument rings very true.

    PS I was trying to think of a better city than Bayeux to rhyme with Looe/EU. Couldn't immediately think of one (Chateauroux has too many syllables) so I asked ChatGPT, which came up with this gem:

    Me: Can you think of a European city name that rhymes with 'you'?

    ChatGPT: Certainly! The city name that rhymes with "you" is "Dublin," which is the capital of Ireland.


    So bad it's rather splendid.
    That’s an interesting error

    Because Dublin comes from Dubh-linn = Irish for “black river” - and many Celtic languages pronounce Dubh (black) as Doo - cf Baldhu in Cornish, pronounced, “Bal-doo” = black mine

    Maybe ChatGPT has some weird deep language memory of Celtic pronunciation?! I sometimes find its hallucinations more interesting than its coherent answers

    Bayeux isn’t perfect, the rhyme isn’t exact, maybe Fitou?
    "Can you think of a European city name that rhymes with 'you'?"

    Turku - Finland.


    Very good, A possible winner, i suggest. Also the fact it’s Finnish makes it more interestingly provocative
    Baku,
    Capital of Azerbaijan,
    Is also not in the EU.
    Darn.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,986
    algarkirk said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Cobalt clouds over Cathar Country: rainstorms say Return, return



    What, to the EU?
    I heard their young hearts crying
    Loveward above the glancing oar
    And heard the prairie grasses sighing:
    No more, return no more!

    O hearts, O sighing grasses,
    Vainly your loveblown bannerets mourn!
    No more will the wild wind that passes
    Return, no more return.
    There once was a man from Looe
    Who pretended to hate the EU
    All knew he was lying -
    That man's always flying
    To Berlin, Milan, and Bayeux
    Not bad. But the first line is all wrong, not enough syllables, and doesn’t flow. Looe is divided into East and West, so you can use that; and you should also include an insult, therefore

    There was an old man from West Looe

    Is a much better opening line
    Your argument rings very true.

    PS I was trying to think of a better city than Bayeux to rhyme with Looe/EU. Couldn't immediately think of one (Chateauroux has too many syllables) so I asked ChatGPT, which came up with this gem:

    Me: Can you think of a European city name that rhymes with 'you'?

    ChatGPT: Certainly! The city name that rhymes with "you" is "Dublin," which is the capital of Ireland.


    So bad it's rather splendid.
    That’s an interesting error

    Because Dublin comes from Dubh-linn = Irish for “black river” - and many Celtic languages pronounce Dubh (black) as Doo - cf Baldhu in Cornish, pronounced, “Bal-doo” = black mine

    Maybe ChatGPT has some weird deep language memory of Celtic pronunciation?! I sometimes find its hallucinations more interesting than its coherent answers

    Bayeux isn’t perfect, the rhyme isn’t exact, maybe Fitou?
    "Can you think of a European city name that rhymes with 'you'?"

    Turku - Finland.


    Very good, A possible winner, i suggest. Also the fact it’s Finnish makes it more interestingly provocative
    Baku,
    Capital of Azerbaijan,
    Is also not in the EU.
    Darn.
    The bigger question is what European town rhymes with orange.

    Unfortunately Orange doesn’t.

    Bohinj perhaps.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,986
    edited September 2023

    Leon said:

    Rrrrright, tomorrow i must start my slooooow travels home. A demain, mes amis

    Be advised. 'Home' is wet and windy and distinctly autumnal.

    Until next week, then a very strong signal for sustained high pressure and reasonably warm temperatures.

    Should enable this month to beat 2006 for earnest September on record, and possibly beat June to warmest month of 2023.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,373

    Buckingham Palace was alerted to concerns about Boris Johnson’s behaviour at the height of the Covid crisis, according to a new documentary.

    Senior officials are said to have expressed fears about the former prime minister’s conduct in the hope that Queen Elizabeth II would take up the matter with him.

    The claims are featured in the second episode of Laura Kuenssberg: State Of Chaos, which explores the turmoil in Westminster between 2016 and 2022.

    Mr Johnson’s team maintains that the Government’s actions were entirely legal and constitutional, and neither the monarch nor any member of the Royal family raised any such issues with him.

    As Britain battled the first Covid wave in May 2020, tensions between the Number 10 political team and the Civil Service were spilling over.

    Helen MacNamara, a former deputy cabinet secretary, told the BBC there was “extreme” talk in the Johnson camp about the failings of Whitehall after he was treated in hospital for the virus

    They were taking a “kind of smash everything up, shut it all down, start again” attitude, she said, adding: “We were systematically in real trouble.”

    Do you mean Johnson and Cumstain actually grasped the essential core of a problem?

    Good gracious.

    Well, stopped clocks etc.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,812
    TimS said:

    algarkirk said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Cobalt clouds over Cathar Country: rainstorms say Return, return



    What, to the EU?
    I heard their young hearts crying
    Loveward above the glancing oar
    And heard the prairie grasses sighing:
    No more, return no more!

    O hearts, O sighing grasses,
    Vainly your loveblown bannerets mourn!
    No more will the wild wind that passes
    Return, no more return.
    There once was a man from Looe
    Who pretended to hate the EU
    All knew he was lying -
    That man's always flying
    To Berlin, Milan, and Bayeux
    Not bad. But the first line is all wrong, not enough syllables, and doesn’t flow. Looe is divided into East and West, so you can use that; and you should also include an insult, therefore

    There was an old man from West Looe

    Is a much better opening line
    Your argument rings very true.

    PS I was trying to think of a better city than Bayeux to rhyme with Looe/EU. Couldn't immediately think of one (Chateauroux has too many syllables) so I asked ChatGPT, which came up with this gem:

    Me: Can you think of a European city name that rhymes with 'you'?

    ChatGPT: Certainly! The city name that rhymes with "you" is "Dublin," which is the capital of Ireland.


    So bad it's rather splendid.
    That’s an interesting error

    Because Dublin comes from Dubh-linn = Irish for “black river” - and many Celtic languages pronounce Dubh (black) as Doo - cf Baldhu in Cornish, pronounced, “Bal-doo” = black mine

    Maybe ChatGPT has some weird deep language memory of Celtic pronunciation?! I sometimes find its hallucinations more interesting than its coherent answers

    Bayeux isn’t perfect, the rhyme isn’t exact, maybe Fitou?
    "Can you think of a European city name that rhymes with 'you'?"

    Turku - Finland.


    Very good, A possible winner, i suggest. Also the fact it’s Finnish makes it more interestingly provocative
    Baku,
    Capital of Azerbaijan,
    Is also not in the EU.
    Darn.
    The bigger question is what European town rhymes with orange.

    Unfortunately Orange doesn’t.

    Bohinj perhaps.
    Or Dublin.
  • Pulpstar said:

    Liz Truss supporters are plotting a comeback
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqss6pCWuOM

    New Statesman podcast.

    All two of them ?
    Kwasi isn't one of them anymore. He told Observer (iirc) this weekend that she was not PM material.
    Well, obvs. She didn't go to Eton, for a start.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,373

    Pulpstar said:

    Liz Truss supporters are plotting a comeback
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqss6pCWuOM

    New Statesman podcast.

    All two of them ?
    Kwasi isn't one of them anymore. He told Observer (iirc) this weekend that she was not PM material.
    Well, obvs. She didn't go to Eton, for a start.
    Although Eton has a Harrowing record on producing really shite PMs.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070
    Hunter Biden is suing the IRS for unlawfully disclosing his tax return information.
    https://twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/status/1703750504013021643
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,373
    DavidL said:

    TimS said:

    algarkirk said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Cobalt clouds over Cathar Country: rainstorms say Return, return



    What, to the EU?
    I heard their young hearts crying
    Loveward above the glancing oar
    And heard the prairie grasses sighing:
    No more, return no more!

    O hearts, O sighing grasses,
    Vainly your loveblown bannerets mourn!
    No more will the wild wind that passes
    Return, no more return.
    There once was a man from Looe
    Who pretended to hate the EU
    All knew he was lying -
    That man's always flying
    To Berlin, Milan, and Bayeux
    Not bad. But the first line is all wrong, not enough syllables, and doesn’t flow. Looe is divided into East and West, so you can use that; and you should also include an insult, therefore

    There was an old man from West Looe

    Is a much better opening line
    Your argument rings very true.

    PS I was trying to think of a better city than Bayeux to rhyme with Looe/EU. Couldn't immediately think of one (Chateauroux has too many syllables) so I asked ChatGPT, which came up with this gem:

    Me: Can you think of a European city name that rhymes with 'you'?

    ChatGPT: Certainly! The city name that rhymes with "you" is "Dublin," which is the capital of Ireland.


    So bad it's rather splendid.
    That’s an interesting error

    Because Dublin comes from Dubh-linn = Irish for “black river” - and many Celtic languages pronounce Dubh (black) as Doo - cf Baldhu in Cornish, pronounced, “Bal-doo” = black mine

    Maybe ChatGPT has some weird deep language memory of Celtic pronunciation?! I sometimes find its hallucinations more interesting than its coherent answers

    Bayeux isn’t perfect, the rhyme isn’t exact, maybe Fitou?
    "Can you think of a European city name that rhymes with 'you'?"

    Turku - Finland.


    Very good, A possible winner, i suggest. Also the fact it’s Finnish makes it more interestingly provocative
    Baku,
    Capital of Azerbaijan,
    Is also not in the EU.
    Darn.
    The bigger question is what European town rhymes with orange.

    Unfortunately Orange doesn’t.

    Bohinj perhaps.
    Or Dublin.
    Seville goes with orange.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,812
    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    Rrrrright, tomorrow i must start my slooooow travels home. A demain, mes amis

    Be advised. 'Home' is wet and windy and distinctly autumnal.

    Until next week, then a very strong signal for sustained high pressure and reasonably warm temperatures.

    Should enable this month to beat 2006 for earnest September on record, and possibly beat June to warmest month of 2023.
    We had 14 days in southern England and the weather was not much short of spectacular. Over 30 degrees some days. We then came back north and its rained ever since.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,496
    TimS said:

    algarkirk said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Cobalt clouds over Cathar Country: rainstorms say Return, return



    What, to the EU?
    I heard their young hearts crying
    Loveward above the glancing oar
    And heard the prairie grasses sighing:
    No more, return no more!

    O hearts, O sighing grasses,
    Vainly your loveblown bannerets mourn!
    No more will the wild wind that passes
    Return, no more return.
    There once was a man from Looe
    Who pretended to hate the EU
    All knew he was lying -
    That man's always flying
    To Berlin, Milan, and Bayeux
    Not bad. But the first line is all wrong, not enough syllables, and doesn’t flow. Looe is divided into East and West, so you can use that; and you should also include an insult, therefore

    There was an old man from West Looe

    Is a much better opening line
    Your argument rings very true.

    PS I was trying to think of a better city than Bayeux to rhyme with Looe/EU. Couldn't immediately think of one (Chateauroux has too many syllables) so I asked ChatGPT, which came up with this gem:

    Me: Can you think of a European city name that rhymes with 'you'?

    ChatGPT: Certainly! The city name that rhymes with "you" is "Dublin," which is the capital of Ireland.


    So bad it's rather splendid.
    That’s an interesting error

    Because Dublin comes from Dubh-linn = Irish for “black river” - and many Celtic languages pronounce Dubh (black) as Doo - cf Baldhu in Cornish, pronounced, “Bal-doo” = black mine

    Maybe ChatGPT has some weird deep language memory of Celtic pronunciation?! I sometimes find its hallucinations more interesting than its coherent answers

    Bayeux isn’t perfect, the rhyme isn’t exact, maybe Fitou?
    "Can you think of a European city name that rhymes with 'you'?"

    Turku - Finland.


    Very good, A possible winner, i suggest. Also the fact it’s Finnish makes it more interestingly provocative
    Baku,
    Capital of Azerbaijan,
    Is also not in the EU.
    Darn.
    The bigger question is what European town rhymes with orange.

    Unfortunately Orange doesn’t.

    Bohinj perhaps.
    I think it is reckoned that nothing rhymes with Orange. In The Inimitable Jeeves (100 years old this year) Bingo Little laments that so little rhymes with Cynthia.

    At a tangent from this, no word of any size in English can be constructed from the letters of Chihuahua.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,663
    algarkirk said:

    TimS said:

    algarkirk said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Cobalt clouds over Cathar Country: rainstorms say Return, return



    What, to the EU?
    I heard their young hearts crying
    Loveward above the glancing oar
    And heard the prairie grasses sighing:
    No more, return no more!

    O hearts, O sighing grasses,
    Vainly your loveblown bannerets mourn!
    No more will the wild wind that passes
    Return, no more return.
    There once was a man from Looe
    Who pretended to hate the EU
    All knew he was lying -
    That man's always flying
    To Berlin, Milan, and Bayeux
    Not bad. But the first line is all wrong, not enough syllables, and doesn’t flow. Looe is divided into East and West, so you can use that; and you should also include an insult, therefore

    There was an old man from West Looe

    Is a much better opening line
    Your argument rings very true.

    PS I was trying to think of a better city than Bayeux to rhyme with Looe/EU. Couldn't immediately think of one (Chateauroux has too many syllables) so I asked ChatGPT, which came up with this gem:

    Me: Can you think of a European city name that rhymes with 'you'?

    ChatGPT: Certainly! The city name that rhymes with "you" is "Dublin," which is the capital of Ireland.


    So bad it's rather splendid.
    That’s an interesting error

    Because Dublin comes from Dubh-linn = Irish for “black river” - and many Celtic languages pronounce Dubh (black) as Doo - cf Baldhu in Cornish, pronounced, “Bal-doo” = black mine

    Maybe ChatGPT has some weird deep language memory of Celtic pronunciation?! I sometimes find its hallucinations more interesting than its coherent answers

    Bayeux isn’t perfect, the rhyme isn’t exact, maybe Fitou?
    "Can you think of a European city name that rhymes with 'you'?"

    Turku - Finland.


    Very good, A possible winner, i suggest. Also the fact it’s Finnish makes it more interestingly provocative
    Baku,
    Capital of Azerbaijan,
    Is also not in the EU.
    Darn.
    The bigger question is what European town rhymes with orange.

    Unfortunately Orange doesn’t.

    Bohinj perhaps.
    I think it is reckoned that nothing rhymes with Orange. In The Inimitable Jeeves (100 years old this year) Bingo Little laments that so little rhymes with Cynthia.

    At a tangent from this, no word of any size in English can be constructed from the letters of Chihuahua.
    Haha that's a good one!
  • ydoethur said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Liz Truss supporters are plotting a comeback
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqss6pCWuOM

    New Statesman podcast.

    All two of them ?
    Kwasi isn't one of them anymore. He told Observer (iirc) this weekend that she was not PM material.
    Well, obvs. She didn't go to Eton, for a start.
    Although Eton has a Harrowing record on producing really shite PMs.
    Since 2010, the Conservatives haven't managed to Win Chester.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,812

    Saw this on my FB feed:

    image

    That is brilliant. It sounds so like her.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,075

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Cobalt clouds over Cathar Country: rainstorms say Return, return



    What, to the EU?
    I heard their young hearts crying
    Loveward above the glancing oar
    And heard the prairie grasses sighing:
    No more, return no more!

    O hearts, O sighing grasses,
    Vainly your loveblown bannerets mourn!
    No more will the wild wind that passes
    Return, no more return.
    There once was a man from Looe
    Who pretended to hate the EU
    All knew he was lying -
    That man's always flying
    To Berlin, Milan, and Bayeux
    Not bad. But the first line is all wrong, not enough syllables, and doesn’t flow. Looe is divided into East and West, so you can use that; and you should also include an insult, therefore

    There was an old man from West Looe

    Is a much better opening line
    Your argument rings very true.

    PS I was trying to think of a better city than Bayeux to rhyme with Looe/EU. Couldn't immediately think of one (Chateauroux has too many syllables) so I asked ChatGPT, which came up with this gem:

    Me: Can you think of a European city name that rhymes with 'you'?

    ChatGPT: Certainly! The city name that rhymes with "you" is "Dublin," which is the capital of Ireland.


    So bad it's rather splendid.
    That’s an interesting error

    Because Dublin comes from Dubh-linn = Irish for “black river” - and many Celtic languages pronounce Dubh (black) as Doo - cf Baldhu in Cornish, pronounced, “Bal-doo” = black mine

    Maybe ChatGPT has some weird deep language memory of Celtic pronunciation?! I sometimes find its hallucinations more interesting than its coherent answers

    Bayeux isn’t perfect, the rhyme isn’t exact, maybe Fitou?
    Fitou's good!
    There are surprisingly few continental names ending in a pure “oo” sound

    Waterloo, but that doesn’t fit the metre
    Het Loo. IN Apeldoorn. Any good?
    Not bad! Shame it’s two separate words but definitely close

    This is real niche PB Monday evening talk. European place-names ending in OO
    Maybe we're finally facing our Waterloo?
    We couldn't escape if we wanted to
  • Pulpstar said:

    Liz Truss supporters are plotting a comeback
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqss6pCWuOM

    New Statesman podcast.

    All two of them ?
    Kwasi isn't one of them anymore. He told Observer (iirc) this weekend that she was not PM material.
    Well, obvs. She didn't go to Eton, for a start.
    Another fine Eton mess!
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,373

    ydoethur said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Liz Truss supporters are plotting a comeback
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqss6pCWuOM

    New Statesman podcast.

    All two of them ?
    Kwasi isn't one of them anymore. He told Observer (iirc) this weekend that she was not PM material.
    Well, obvs. She didn't go to Eton, for a start.
    Although Eton has a Harrowing record on producing really shite PMs.
    Since 2010, the Conservatives haven't managed to Win Chester.
    Hopefully though the next election will place them in Fettes.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070
    Post Office: Horizon scandal victims to receive £600,000 compensation each
    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/sep/18/post-office-horizon-scandal-victims-compensation
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,496

    Leon said:

    So the final limerick is



    There was an old man from West Looe
    Who pretended to hate the EU
    All knew he was lying -
    That man's always flying
    To Berlin, Milan, and Turku


    Well done, everyone. And people say the internet is just a place to waste time!

    Espoo, quite a big Finnish town/city.
    Some comedic potential also.
    Porvoo, also Finland, home of the Porvoo Statement/Agreement - a trivial ecumenical agreement forgotten by everyone between some Scandinavian churches and the CoE.

  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,812
    algarkirk said:

    TimS said:

    algarkirk said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Cobalt clouds over Cathar Country: rainstorms say Return, return



    What, to the EU?
    I heard their young hearts crying
    Loveward above the glancing oar
    And heard the prairie grasses sighing:
    No more, return no more!

    O hearts, O sighing grasses,
    Vainly your loveblown bannerets mourn!
    No more will the wild wind that passes
    Return, no more return.
    There once was a man from Looe
    Who pretended to hate the EU
    All knew he was lying -
    That man's always flying
    To Berlin, Milan, and Bayeux
    Not bad. But the first line is all wrong, not enough syllables, and doesn’t flow. Looe is divided into East and West, so you can use that; and you should also include an insult, therefore

    There was an old man from West Looe

    Is a much better opening line
    Your argument rings very true.

    PS I was trying to think of a better city than Bayeux to rhyme with Looe/EU. Couldn't immediately think of one (Chateauroux has too many syllables) so I asked ChatGPT, which came up with this gem:

    Me: Can you think of a European city name that rhymes with 'you'?

    ChatGPT: Certainly! The city name that rhymes with "you" is "Dublin," which is the capital of Ireland.


    So bad it's rather splendid.
    That’s an interesting error

    Because Dublin comes from Dubh-linn = Irish for “black river” - and many Celtic languages pronounce Dubh (black) as Doo - cf Baldhu in Cornish, pronounced, “Bal-doo” = black mine

    Maybe ChatGPT has some weird deep language memory of Celtic pronunciation?! I sometimes find its hallucinations more interesting than its coherent answers

    Bayeux isn’t perfect, the rhyme isn’t exact, maybe Fitou?
    "Can you think of a European city name that rhymes with 'you'?"

    Turku - Finland.


    Very good, A possible winner, i suggest. Also the fact it’s Finnish makes it more interestingly provocative
    Baku,
    Capital of Azerbaijan,
    Is also not in the EU.
    Darn.
    The bigger question is what European town rhymes with orange.

    Unfortunately Orange doesn’t.

    Bohinj perhaps.
    I think it is reckoned that nothing rhymes with Orange. In The Inimitable Jeeves (100 years old this year) Bingo Little laments that so little rhymes with Cynthia.

    At a tangent from this, no word of any size in English can be constructed from the letters of Chihuahua.
    Ah?
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,986
    algarkirk said:

    TimS said:

    algarkirk said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Cobalt clouds over Cathar Country: rainstorms say Return, return



    What, to the EU?
    I heard their young hearts crying
    Loveward above the glancing oar
    And heard the prairie grasses sighing:
    No more, return no more!

    O hearts, O sighing grasses,
    Vainly your loveblown bannerets mourn!
    No more will the wild wind that passes
    Return, no more return.
    There once was a man from Looe
    Who pretended to hate the EU
    All knew he was lying -
    That man's always flying
    To Berlin, Milan, and Bayeux
    Not bad. But the first line is all wrong, not enough syllables, and doesn’t flow. Looe is divided into East and West, so you can use that; and you should also include an insult, therefore

    There was an old man from West Looe

    Is a much better opening line
    Your argument rings very true.

    PS I was trying to think of a better city than Bayeux to rhyme with Looe/EU. Couldn't immediately think of one (Chateauroux has too many syllables) so I asked ChatGPT, which came up with this gem:

    Me: Can you think of a European city name that rhymes with 'you'?

    ChatGPT: Certainly! The city name that rhymes with "you" is "Dublin," which is the capital of Ireland.


    So bad it's rather splendid.
    That’s an interesting error

    Because Dublin comes from Dubh-linn = Irish for “black river” - and many Celtic languages pronounce Dubh (black) as Doo - cf Baldhu in Cornish, pronounced, “Bal-doo” = black mine

    Maybe ChatGPT has some weird deep language memory of Celtic pronunciation?! I sometimes find its hallucinations more interesting than its coherent answers

    Bayeux isn’t perfect, the rhyme isn’t exact, maybe Fitou?
    "Can you think of a European city name that rhymes with 'you'?"

    Turku - Finland.


    Very good, A possible winner, i suggest. Also the fact it’s Finnish makes it more interestingly provocative
    Baku,
    Capital of Azerbaijan,
    Is also not in the EU.
    Darn.
    The bigger question is what European town rhymes with orange.

    Unfortunately Orange doesn’t.

    Bohinj perhaps.
    I think it is reckoned that nothing rhymes with Orange. In The Inimitable Jeeves (100 years old this year) Bingo Little laments that so little rhymes with Cynthia.

    At a tangent from this, no word of any size in English can be constructed from the letters of Chihuahua.
    Hi and Ha are both in the Scrabble 2 worder list.

    Blorenge rhymes with orange, but that’s a hill.
  • darkagedarkage Posts: 5,398
    Andy_JS said:

    "The fall of Russell Brand is no victory for women
    Our attitudes towards sex have changed profoundly over the past two decades – and not always for the better.

    Joanna Williams

    You have to hand it to Channel 4. Two decades ago, the broadcaster helped fuel Russell Brand’s rise to fame. Now, it has removed all of the old programmes that feature him from its website. Back in the 2000s, Channel 4 gained viewers and revenue from Brand’s lewd antics. Today, it is winning plaudits for its Dispatches documentary, which features women accusing Brand of rape and sexual assault. No matter what else can be said about the quality of its output, Channel 4 clearly still excels at riding the cultural zeitgeist."

    https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/09/18/the-fall-of-russell-brand-is-no-victory-for-women/

    Of course, news outlets go with what is popular. One thing that could happen though is the zeitgeist goes rapidly the other way. On the basis of the poll we saw yesterday the US could well elect Donald Trump next year. None of the claims against him have made any difference to public opinion. Many of the posters on this website are so deep in their educated, progressive echo chamber they cannot contemplate the possibility of this, but of course it is possible.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,373
    edited September 2023
    DavidL said:

    algarkirk said:

    TimS said:

    algarkirk said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Cobalt clouds over Cathar Country: rainstorms say Return, return



    What, to the EU?
    I heard their young hearts crying
    Loveward above the glancing oar
    And heard the prairie grasses sighing:
    No more, return no more!

    O hearts, O sighing grasses,
    Vainly your loveblown bannerets mourn!
    No more will the wild wind that passes
    Return, no more return.
    There once was a man from Looe
    Who pretended to hate the EU
    All knew he was lying -
    That man's always flying
    To Berlin, Milan, and Bayeux
    Not bad. But the first line is all wrong, not enough syllables, and doesn’t flow. Looe is divided into East and West, so you can use that; and you should also include an insult, therefore

    There was an old man from West Looe

    Is a much better opening line
    Your argument rings very true.

    PS I was trying to think of a better city than Bayeux to rhyme with Looe/EU. Couldn't immediately think of one (Chateauroux has too many syllables) so I asked ChatGPT, which came up with this gem:

    Me: Can you think of a European city name that rhymes with 'you'?

    ChatGPT: Certainly! The city name that rhymes with "you" is "Dublin," which is the capital of Ireland.


    So bad it's rather splendid.
    That’s an interesting error

    Because Dublin comes from Dubh-linn = Irish for “black river” - and many Celtic languages pronounce Dubh (black) as Doo - cf Baldhu in Cornish, pronounced, “Bal-doo” = black mine

    Maybe ChatGPT has some weird deep language memory of Celtic pronunciation?! I sometimes find its hallucinations more interesting than its coherent answers

    Bayeux isn’t perfect, the rhyme isn’t exact, maybe Fitou?
    "Can you think of a European city name that rhymes with 'you'?"

    Turku - Finland.


    Very good, A possible winner, i suggest. Also the fact it’s Finnish makes it more interestingly provocative
    Baku,
    Capital of Azerbaijan,
    Is also not in the EU.
    Darn.
    The bigger question is what European town rhymes with orange.

    Unfortunately Orange doesn’t.

    Bohinj perhaps.
    I think it is reckoned that nothing rhymes with Orange. In The Inimitable Jeeves (100 years old this year) Bingo Little laments that so little rhymes with Cynthia.

    At a tangent from this, no word of any size in English can be constructed from the letters of Chihuahua.
    Ah?
    Aha!

    Or indeed haha.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,783
    TimS said:

    algarkirk said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Cobalt clouds over Cathar Country: rainstorms say Return, return



    What, to the EU?
    I heard their young hearts crying
    Loveward above the glancing oar
    And heard the prairie grasses sighing:
    No more, return no more!

    O hearts, O sighing grasses,
    Vainly your loveblown bannerets mourn!
    No more will the wild wind that passes
    Return, no more return.
    There once was a man from Looe
    Who pretended to hate the EU
    All knew he was lying -
    That man's always flying
    To Berlin, Milan, and Bayeux
    Not bad. But the first line is all wrong, not enough syllables, and doesn’t flow. Looe is divided into East and West, so you can use that; and you should also include an insult, therefore

    There was an old man from West Looe

    Is a much better opening line
    Your argument rings very true.

    PS I was trying to think of a better city than Bayeux to rhyme with Looe/EU. Couldn't immediately think of one (Chateauroux has too many syllables) so I asked ChatGPT, which came up with this gem:

    Me: Can you think of a European city name that rhymes with 'you'?

    ChatGPT: Certainly! The city name that rhymes with "you" is "Dublin," which is the capital of Ireland.


    So bad it's rather splendid.
    That’s an interesting error

    Because Dublin comes from Dubh-linn = Irish for “black river” - and many Celtic languages pronounce Dubh (black) as Doo - cf Baldhu in Cornish, pronounced, “Bal-doo” = black mine

    Maybe ChatGPT has some weird deep language memory of Celtic pronunciation?! I sometimes find its hallucinations more interesting than its coherent answers

    Bayeux isn’t perfect, the rhyme isn’t exact, maybe Fitou?
    "Can you think of a European city name that rhymes with 'you'?"

    Turku - Finland.


    Very good, A possible winner, i suggest. Also the fact it’s Finnish makes it more interestingly provocative
    Baku,
    Capital of Azerbaijan,
    Is also not in the EU.
    Darn.
    The bigger question is what European town rhymes with orange.

    Unfortunately Orange doesn’t.

    Bohinj perhaps.
    Milngavie.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,812
    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    algarkirk said:

    TimS said:

    algarkirk said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Cobalt clouds over Cathar Country: rainstorms say Return, return



    What, to the EU?
    I heard their young hearts crying
    Loveward above the glancing oar
    And heard the prairie grasses sighing:
    No more, return no more!

    O hearts, O sighing grasses,
    Vainly your loveblown bannerets mourn!
    No more will the wild wind that passes
    Return, no more return.
    There once was a man from Looe
    Who pretended to hate the EU
    All knew he was lying -
    That man's always flying
    To Berlin, Milan, and Bayeux
    Not bad. But the first line is all wrong, not enough syllables, and doesn’t flow. Looe is divided into East and West, so you can use that; and you should also include an insult, therefore

    There was an old man from West Looe

    Is a much better opening line
    Your argument rings very true.

    PS I was trying to think of a better city than Bayeux to rhyme with Looe/EU. Couldn't immediately think of one (Chateauroux has too many syllables) so I asked ChatGPT, which came up with this gem:

    Me: Can you think of a European city name that rhymes with 'you'?

    ChatGPT: Certainly! The city name that rhymes with "you" is "Dublin," which is the capital of Ireland.


    So bad it's rather splendid.
    That’s an interesting error

    Because Dublin comes from Dubh-linn = Irish for “black river” - and many Celtic languages pronounce Dubh (black) as Doo - cf Baldhu in Cornish, pronounced, “Bal-doo” = black mine

    Maybe ChatGPT has some weird deep language memory of Celtic pronunciation?! I sometimes find its hallucinations more interesting than its coherent answers

    Bayeux isn’t perfect, the rhyme isn’t exact, maybe Fitou?
    "Can you think of a European city name that rhymes with 'you'?"

    Turku - Finland.


    Very good, A possible winner, i suggest. Also the fact it’s Finnish makes it more interestingly provocative
    Baku,
    Capital of Azerbaijan,
    Is also not in the EU.
    Darn.
    The bigger question is what European town rhymes with orange.

    Unfortunately Orange doesn’t.

    Bohinj perhaps.
    I think it is reckoned that nothing rhymes with Orange. In The Inimitable Jeeves (100 years old this year) Bingo Little laments that so little rhymes with Cynthia.

    At a tangent from this, no word of any size in English can be constructed from the letters of Chihuahua.
    Ah?
    Aha!
    Ha, your aha.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,348

    Andy_JS said:

    Just seen this.

    "Election Maps UK
    @ElectionMapsUK
    Mid Bedfordshire By-Election Voting Intention:

    LAB: 29% (+7)
    CON: 29% (-31)
    LDM: 22% (+9)
    RFM: 7% (New)
    IND: 6% (New)

    Via
    @Survation
    , 12-14 Sep.
    Changes w/ GE2019."

    https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1703046374407680508

    As I predicted, sheer naivety from Labour and the Liberals not doing a deal - they deserve to lose.
    Why should one give way to the other? The pollng shows that each party has a very good chance of pulling off a victory.
  • algarkirk said:

    TimS said:

    algarkirk said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Cobalt clouds over Cathar Country: rainstorms say Return, return



    What, to the EU?
    I heard their young hearts crying
    Loveward above the glancing oar
    And heard the prairie grasses sighing:
    No more, return no more!

    O hearts, O sighing grasses,
    Vainly your loveblown bannerets mourn!
    No more will the wild wind that passes
    Return, no more return.
    There once was a man from Looe
    Who pretended to hate the EU
    All knew he was lying -
    That man's always flying
    To Berlin, Milan, and Bayeux
    Not bad. But the first line is all wrong, not enough syllables, and doesn’t flow. Looe is divided into East and West, so you can use that; and you should also include an insult, therefore

    There was an old man from West Looe

    Is a much better opening line
    Your argument rings very true.

    PS I was trying to think of a better city than Bayeux to rhyme with Looe/EU. Couldn't immediately think of one (Chateauroux has too many syllables) so I asked ChatGPT, which came up with this gem:

    Me: Can you think of a European city name that rhymes with 'you'?

    ChatGPT: Certainly! The city name that rhymes with "you" is "Dublin," which is the capital of Ireland.


    So bad it's rather splendid.
    That’s an interesting error

    Because Dublin comes from Dubh-linn = Irish for “black river” - and many Celtic languages pronounce Dubh (black) as Doo - cf Baldhu in Cornish, pronounced, “Bal-doo” = black mine

    Maybe ChatGPT has some weird deep language memory of Celtic pronunciation?! I sometimes find its hallucinations more interesting than its coherent answers

    Bayeux isn’t perfect, the rhyme isn’t exact, maybe Fitou?
    "Can you think of a European city name that rhymes with 'you'?"

    Turku - Finland.


    Very good, A possible winner, i suggest. Also the fact it’s Finnish makes it more interestingly provocative
    Baku,
    Capital of Azerbaijan,
    Is also not in the EU.
    Darn.
    The bigger question is what European town rhymes with orange.

    Unfortunately Orange doesn’t.

    Bohinj perhaps.
    I think it is reckoned that nothing rhymes with Orange. In The Inimitable Jeeves (100 years old this year) Bingo Little laments that so little rhymes with Cynthia.

    At a tangent from this, no word of any size in English can be constructed from the letters of Chihuahua.
    Chia? Chai?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,075
    Those of you interested in real-time AI generated undetectable realistic avatars of a specific person may wish to see this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62-aWHGKeMo
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,561

    algarkirk said:

    TimS said:

    algarkirk said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Cobalt clouds over Cathar Country: rainstorms say Return, return



    What, to the EU?
    I heard their young hearts crying
    Loveward above the glancing oar
    And heard the prairie grasses sighing:
    No more, return no more!

    O hearts, O sighing grasses,
    Vainly your loveblown bannerets mourn!
    No more will the wild wind that passes
    Return, no more return.
    There once was a man from Looe
    Who pretended to hate the EU
    All knew he was lying -
    That man's always flying
    To Berlin, Milan, and Bayeux
    Not bad. But the first line is all wrong, not enough syllables, and doesn’t flow. Looe is divided into East and West, so you can use that; and you should also include an insult, therefore

    There was an old man from West Looe

    Is a much better opening line
    Your argument rings very true.

    PS I was trying to think of a better city than Bayeux to rhyme with Looe/EU. Couldn't immediately think of one (Chateauroux has too many syllables) so I asked ChatGPT, which came up with this gem:

    Me: Can you think of a European city name that rhymes with 'you'?

    ChatGPT: Certainly! The city name that rhymes with "you" is "Dublin," which is the capital of Ireland.


    So bad it's rather splendid.
    That’s an interesting error

    Because Dublin comes from Dubh-linn = Irish for “black river” - and many Celtic languages pronounce Dubh (black) as Doo - cf Baldhu in Cornish, pronounced, “Bal-doo” = black mine

    Maybe ChatGPT has some weird deep language memory of Celtic pronunciation?! I sometimes find its hallucinations more interesting than its coherent answers

    Bayeux isn’t perfect, the rhyme isn’t exact, maybe Fitou?
    "Can you think of a European city name that rhymes with 'you'?"

    Turku - Finland.


    Very good, A possible winner, i suggest. Also the fact it’s Finnish makes it more interestingly provocative
    Baku,
    Capital of Azerbaijan,
    Is also not in the EU.
    Darn.
    The bigger question is what European town rhymes with orange.

    Unfortunately Orange doesn’t.

    Bohinj perhaps.
    I think it is reckoned that nothing rhymes with Orange. In The Inimitable Jeeves (100 years old this year) Bingo Little laments that so little rhymes with Cynthia.

    At a tangent from this, no word of any size in English can be constructed from the letters of Chihuahua.
    Chia? Chai?
    Ha-ha
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,783
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Cobalt clouds over Cathar Country: rainstorms say Return, return



    What, to the EU?
    I heard their young hearts crying
    Loveward above the glancing oar
    And heard the prairie grasses sighing:
    No more, return no more!

    O hearts, O sighing grasses,
    Vainly your loveblown bannerets mourn!
    No more will the wild wind that passes
    Return, no more return.
    There once was a man from Looe
    Who pretended to hate the EU
    All knew he was lying -
    That man's always flying
    To Berlin, Milan, and Bayeux
    Not bad. But the first line is all wrong, not enough syllables, and doesn’t flow. Looe is divided into East and West, so you can use that; and you should also include an insult, therefore

    There was an old man from West Looe

    Is a much better opening line
    Your argument rings very true.

    PS I was trying to think of a better city than Bayeux to rhyme with Looe/EU. Couldn't immediately think of one (Chateauroux has too many syllables) so I asked ChatGPT, which came up with this gem:

    Me: Can you think of a European city name that rhymes with 'you'?

    ChatGPT: Certainly! The city name that rhymes with "you" is "Dublin," which is the capital of Ireland.


    So bad it's rather splendid.
    That’s an interesting error

    Because Dublin comes from Dubh-linn = Irish for “black river” - and many Celtic languages pronounce Dubh (black) as Doo - cf Baldhu in Cornish, pronounced, “Bal-doo” = black mine

    Maybe ChatGPT has some weird deep language memory of Celtic pronunciation?! I sometimes find its hallucinations more interesting than its coherent answers

    Bayeux isn’t perfect, the rhyme isn’t exact, maybe Fitou?
    It is quite good at ancient languages and tying etymologies together. I had quite an interesting 'discussion' with it the other week trying to link LLM 'tokens' with baseline Indo-European linguistics.
  • TimS said:

    TimS said:

    TOPPING said:

    stodge said:

    Truss

    "Reduce benefits, raise retirement age, start fracking, abolish the windfall tax, diverge properly from the EU, delay net zero commitments, abandon replacing gas and oil boilers. This will not be easy but it will be worth doing."

    How on earth she thought this would receive any form of acceptance by the public shows her real delusion

    What part of that do you actually feel is bad?
    There's a strong anti-Green streak running through most of that - there's no doubt the climate is changing and while there old argument "China's not doing about it so why should we?" gets trotted out, it's not an excuse. The above measures would need to be counterbalanced by a significant R&D investment into further reducing usage of fossil fueld and mitigating the damage the global environment has suffered.

    The Critic also trots out the tired old line about a very small number of people paying a lot of the tax. Put it another way - 99% of the population pay 72% of the tax - and it sounds and feels different.

    Truss lost me at "Reduce Benefits" - if I'd heard "cut defence spending and raise taxes for the wealthy" I might have swallowed the rest of the guff but her fundamental flaw was it failed the modern test of "fairness". The idea most of us should get a little richer if a very small number get a lot richer is as passe as Corbyn's socialism - we need to move on from seeing economic growth purely in terms of wealthy people getting wealthier and look at different ways of promoting growth.
    Human-caused CO2 emissions are about 4% of total CO2 emissions. Of that 4%, what is it, 1% are ours? Committing economic suicide to
    reduce that meaningfully via reduced consumption is ludicrous. We need creative responses to climate change, not punitive anti-human policies aimed at punishing people for their nasty carbon consuming ways. The people pushing these policies are sociopaths.
    It is interesting that the 4% number is gaining currency around and about (social media, where I have seen it several times, and I don't visit sites particularly one way or another wrt climate change). I wonder if it will take off more broadly and if so what political implications it might have.
    It's a very old chestnut, one of those shrivelled vinegar-soaked conkers that's been through dozens of fights. There are pretty clear rebuttals on this topic from the "Skeptical Science" site from the early noughties. That's the thing with sceptic talking points - they are like whack-a-mole, no matter how often they are knocked on the head by data (other examples being undersea volcanoes, the AMOC, sunspot cycles, urban heat islands, you name it) they always come back, usually unchanged.

    The good news is I spent a lot more time back in the noughties worriedly engaging on social media over these talking points than I need to now. They've gone from a period when especially in America the climate sceptic belief system was pretty powerful, led by the likes of Wattsupwiththat, to one where it's pretty fringe.
    Long winded way to say it's true.
    True like every year’s deforestation is only x% of the Amazon, or “most schools won’t collapse”, yes.
    I'm not aware of any injuries caused by the aerated concrete, ever, and my Dad (in the construction industry for 50 years) thinks the urgency of the situation is largely a case of structural engineering consultancies lining their own pockets, so the climate crisis in microcosm essentially.
    Your approach of declaring that everything isn’t really a problem and we don’t need to spend any money on it would probably serve you well if you wanted to be an advisor to Rishi Sunak. The rest of the country, however, can see it hasn’t worked.
    Except that there really haven't been any children injured by this concrete falling on them, so (whilst the concrete probably wasn't a great material to use), a case of reality stubbornly refusing to conform to the crisis narrative.
    A roof collapsed unexpectedly at a primary school in Kent in 2018. It did so on a Saturday evening and so no children were hurt. Should we do nothing and wait for a collapse to happen during school hours?
    Would the collapse have injured children by dropping on their heads without warning? I have my doubts.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,783
    viewcode said:

    Those of you interested in real-time AI generated undetectable realistic avatars of a specific person may wish to see this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62-aWHGKeMo

    I was watching a Microsoft presentation a while back. Guy on the subtitles screen getting ever more nervous as the CEO demonstrated more and more real time translation, subtitling, lip-syncing. It's really become very good.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,663
    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    algarkirk said:

    TimS said:

    algarkirk said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Cobalt clouds over Cathar Country: rainstorms say Return, return



    What, to the EU?
    I heard their young hearts crying
    Loveward above the glancing oar
    And heard the prairie grasses sighing:
    No more, return no more!

    O hearts, O sighing grasses,
    Vainly your loveblown bannerets mourn!
    No more will the wild wind that passes
    Return, no more return.
    There once was a man from Looe
    Who pretended to hate the EU
    All knew he was lying -
    That man's always flying
    To Berlin, Milan, and Bayeux
    Not bad. But the first line is all wrong, not enough syllables, and doesn’t flow. Looe is divided into East and West, so you can use that; and you should also include an insult, therefore

    There was an old man from West Looe

    Is a much better opening line
    Your argument rings very true.

    PS I was trying to think of a better city than Bayeux to rhyme with Looe/EU. Couldn't immediately think of one (Chateauroux has too many syllables) so I asked ChatGPT, which came up with this gem:

    Me: Can you think of a European city name that rhymes with 'you'?

    ChatGPT: Certainly! The city name that rhymes with "you" is "Dublin," which is the capital of Ireland.


    So bad it's rather splendid.
    That’s an interesting error

    Because Dublin comes from Dubh-linn = Irish for “black river” - and many Celtic languages pronounce Dubh (black) as Doo - cf Baldhu in Cornish, pronounced, “Bal-doo” = black mine

    Maybe ChatGPT has some weird deep language memory of Celtic pronunciation?! I sometimes find its hallucinations more interesting than its coherent answers

    Bayeux isn’t perfect, the rhyme isn’t exact, maybe Fitou?
    "Can you think of a European city name that rhymes with 'you'?"

    Turku - Finland.


    Very good, A possible winner, i suggest. Also the fact it’s Finnish makes it more interestingly provocative
    Baku,
    Capital of Azerbaijan,
    Is also not in the EU.
    Darn.
    The bigger question is what European town rhymes with orange.

    Unfortunately Orange doesn’t.

    Bohinj perhaps.
    I think it is reckoned that nothing rhymes with Orange. In The Inimitable Jeeves (100 years old this year) Bingo Little laments that so little rhymes with Cynthia.

    At a tangent from this, no word of any size in English can be constructed from the letters of Chihuahua.
    Ah?
    Aha!

    Or indeed haha.
    @8:17 ;-)
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,075
    algarkirk said:

    At a tangent from this, no word of any size in English can be constructed from the letters of Chihuahua.

    Hi! Uh, ha-ha, uhuh? Aha! Ahh... :)
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,075
    Sean_F said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Just seen this.

    "Election Maps UK
    @ElectionMapsUK
    Mid Bedfordshire By-Election Voting Intention:

    LAB: 29% (+7)
    CON: 29% (-31)
    LDM: 22% (+9)
    RFM: 7% (New)
    IND: 6% (New)

    Via
    @Survation
    , 12-14 Sep.
    Changes w/ GE2019."

    https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1703046374407680508

    As I predicted, sheer naivety from Labour and the Liberals not doing a deal - they deserve to lose.
    Why should one give way to the other? The pollng shows that each party has a very good chance of pulling off a victory.
    "Siri, show me an example of the prisoner's dilemma..."
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,633
    Read my speech to @instituteforgov where I set out the need to abandon 25 years of stale economic consensus and make Britain grow again.

    We need tax cuts, supply side reform, smaller government and a delay to Net Zero.👇
    elizabethtruss.com/news/speech-in…

    https://twitter.com/trussliz/status/1703783632672903341?t=x85veDGmn6abhTvPaOJ2tg&s=19

    If @Dougseal is right then surely no resignation honours as she returns in triumph to the top of the party.
  • DavidL said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Liz Truss supporters are plotting a comeback
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqss6pCWuOM

    New Statesman podcast.

    All two of them ?
    Kwasi isn't one of them anymore. He told Observer (iirc) this weekend that she was not PM material.
    What could possibly have made him think that?
    Something to do with the fact that if his shithouse minibudget hadn't wrecked her Government something else would.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,496
    ohnotnow said:

    TimS said:

    algarkirk said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Cobalt clouds over Cathar Country: rainstorms say Return, return



    What, to the EU?
    I heard their young hearts crying
    Loveward above the glancing oar
    And heard the prairie grasses sighing:
    No more, return no more!

    O hearts, O sighing grasses,
    Vainly your loveblown bannerets mourn!
    No more will the wild wind that passes
    Return, no more return.
    There once was a man from Looe
    Who pretended to hate the EU
    All knew he was lying -
    That man's always flying
    To Berlin, Milan, and Bayeux
    Not bad. But the first line is all wrong, not enough syllables, and doesn’t flow. Looe is divided into East and West, so you can use that; and you should also include an insult, therefore

    There was an old man from West Looe

    Is a much better opening line
    Your argument rings very true.

    PS I was trying to think of a better city than Bayeux to rhyme with Looe/EU. Couldn't immediately think of one (Chateauroux has too many syllables) so I asked ChatGPT, which came up with this gem:

    Me: Can you think of a European city name that rhymes with 'you'?

    ChatGPT: Certainly! The city name that rhymes with "you" is "Dublin," which is the capital of Ireland.


    So bad it's rather splendid.
    That’s an interesting error

    Because Dublin comes from Dubh-linn = Irish for “black river” - and many Celtic languages pronounce Dubh (black) as Doo - cf Baldhu in Cornish, pronounced, “Bal-doo” = black mine

    Maybe ChatGPT has some weird deep language memory of Celtic pronunciation?! I sometimes find its hallucinations more interesting than its coherent answers

    Bayeux isn’t perfect, the rhyme isn’t exact, maybe Fitou?
    "Can you think of a European city name that rhymes with 'you'?"

    Turku - Finland.


    Very good, A possible winner, i suggest. Also the fact it’s Finnish makes it more interestingly provocative
    Baku,
    Capital of Azerbaijan,
    Is also not in the EU.
    Darn.
    The bigger question is what European town rhymes with orange.

    Unfortunately Orange doesn’t.

    Bohinj perhaps.
    Milngavie.
    Close but not really. Milngavie is pronounced so as to rhyme with Blennerhasset.

  • I missed this gem earlier:

    Trump says ‘cognitively impaired’ Biden risks leading us into ‘world war two’

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/sep/18/trump-biden-age-election-2024

    They have always been late with their World War entries, but entering WW2 in 2023 is late even by their standards.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,829
    Oulu. Or Uleaborg in Swedish.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,829

    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    TOPPING said:

    stodge said:

    Truss

    "Reduce benefits, raise retirement age, start fracking, abolish the windfall tax, diverge properly from the EU, delay net zero commitments, abandon replacing gas and oil boilers. This will not be easy but it will be worth doing."

    How on earth she thought this would receive any form of acceptance by the public shows her real delusion

    What part of that do you actually feel is bad?
    There's a strong anti-Green streak running through most of that - there's no doubt the climate is changing and while there old argument "China's not doing about it so why should we?" gets trotted out, it's not an excuse. The above measures would need to be counterbalanced by a significant R&D investment into further reducing usage of fossil fueld and mitigating the damage the global environment has suffered.

    The Critic also trots out the tired old line about a very small number of people paying a lot of the tax. Put it another way - 99% of the population pay 72% of the tax - and it sounds and feels different.

    Truss lost me at "Reduce Benefits" - if I'd heard "cut defence spending and raise taxes for the wealthy" I might have swallowed the rest of the guff but her fundamental flaw was it failed the modern test of "fairness". The idea most of us should get a little richer if a very small number get a lot richer is as passe as Corbyn's socialism - we need to move on from seeing economic growth purely in terms of wealthy people getting wealthier and look at different ways of promoting growth.
    Human-caused CO2 emissions are about 4% of total CO2 emissions. Of that 4%, what is it, 1% are ours? Committing economic suicide to
    reduce that meaningfully via reduced consumption is ludicrous. We need creative responses to climate change, not punitive anti-human policies aimed at punishing people for their nasty carbon consuming ways. The people pushing these policies are sociopaths.
    It is interesting that the 4% number is gaining currency around and about (social media, where I have seen it several times, and I don't visit sites particularly one way or another wrt climate change). I wonder if it will take off more broadly and if so what political implications it might have.
    It's a very old chestnut, one of those shrivelled vinegar-soaked conkers that's been through dozens of fights. There are pretty clear rebuttals on this topic from the "Skeptical Science" site from the early noughties. That's the thing with sceptic talking points - they are like whack-a-mole, no matter how often they are knocked on the head by data (other examples being undersea volcanoes, the AMOC, sunspot cycles, urban heat islands, you name it) they always come back, usually unchanged.

    The good news is I spent a lot more time back in the noughties worriedly engaging on social media over these talking points than I need to now. They've gone from a period when especially in America the climate sceptic belief system was pretty powerful, led by the likes of Wattsupwiththat, to one where it's pretty fringe.
    Long winded way to say it's true.
    True like every year’s deforestation is only x% of the Amazon, or “most schools won’t collapse”, yes.
    I'm not aware of any injuries caused by the aerated concrete, ever, and my Dad (in the construction industry for 50 years) thinks the urgency of the situation is largely a case of structural engineering consultancies lining their own pockets, so the climate crisis in microcosm essentially.
    Your approach of declaring that everything isn’t really a problem and we don’t need to spend any money on it would probably serve you well if you wanted to be an advisor to Rishi Sunak. The rest of the country, however, can see it hasn’t worked.
    Except that there really haven't been any children injured by this concrete falling on them, so (whilst the concrete probably wasn't a great material to use), a case of reality stubbornly refusing to conform to the crisis narrative.
    A roof collapsed unexpectedly at a primary school in Kent in 2018. It did so on a Saturday evening and so no children were hurt. Should we do nothing and wait for a collapse to happen during school hours?
    Would the collapse have injured children by dropping on their heads without warning? I have my doubts.
    Those children are the human equivalent of XL Bullies? I have my own doubts about your doubts.
  • Foxy said:

    Read my speech to @instituteforgov where I set out the need to abandon 25 years of stale economic consensus and make Britain grow again.

    We need tax cuts, supply side reform, smaller government and a delay to Net Zero.👇
    elizabethtruss.com/news/speech-in…

    https://twitter.com/trussliz/status/1703783632672903341?t=x85veDGmn6abhTvPaOJ2tg&s=19

    If @Dougseal is right then surely no resignation honours as she returns in triumph to the top of the party.

    For the record, it will surprise nobody to know that I agree with every word of her speech. I don't really see how any Tory could disagree. Clearly some of our PB Tories are still dealing with their internalised guilt for foisting the dismal decline manager on us.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,496
    viewcode said:

    Sean_F said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Just seen this.

    "Election Maps UK
    @ElectionMapsUK
    Mid Bedfordshire By-Election Voting Intention:

    LAB: 29% (+7)
    CON: 29% (-31)
    LDM: 22% (+9)
    RFM: 7% (New)
    IND: 6% (New)

    Via
    @Survation
    , 12-14 Sep.
    Changes w/ GE2019."

    https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1703046374407680508

    As I predicted, sheer naivety from Labour and the Liberals not doing a deal - they deserve to lose.
    Why should one give way to the other? The pollng shows that each party has a very good chance of pulling off a victory.
    "Siri, show me an example of the prisoner's dilemma..."
    Indeed. From the betting/prediction angle the question to ask in looking for probabilities is: Will (current intention) Reform voters be more likely to switch to the Tories than (current intention) LD voters to switch to Labour.

    My answer: No. Reform voters will vote Reform or stay at home. Some LDs will switch after reading the bar graphs about 'Labour Winning Here'.

    Labour are marginally value.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,633
    viewcode said:

    Sean_F said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Just seen this.

    "Election Maps UK
    @ElectionMapsUK
    Mid Bedfordshire By-Election Voting Intention:

    LAB: 29% (+7)
    CON: 29% (-31)
    LDM: 22% (+9)
    RFM: 7% (New)
    IND: 6% (New)

    Via
    @Survation
    , 12-14 Sep.
    Changes w/ GE2019."

    https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1703046374407680508

    As I predicted, sheer naivety from Labour and the Liberals not doing a deal - they deserve to lose.
    Why should one give way to the other? The pollng shows that each party has a very good chance of pulling off a victory.
    "Siri, show me an example of the prisoner's dilemma..."
    Nah, it doesn't matter a jot. BothLD and Labour should go for it. If the Cons scrape back in with their vote share halved it's not the end of the world.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    ...
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,812

    I missed this gem earlier:

    Trump says ‘cognitively impaired’ Biden risks leading us into ‘world war two’

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/sep/18/trump-biden-age-election-2024

    They have always been late with their World War entries, but entering WW2 in 2023 is late even by their standards.
    The joke when I was a kid was that the US having been late for the last 2 world wars were determined to be really early for the next one.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,859

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Cobalt clouds over Cathar Country: rainstorms say Return, return



    What, to the EU?
    I heard their young hearts crying
    Loveward above the glancing oar
    And heard the prairie grasses sighing:
    No more, return no more!

    O hearts, O sighing grasses,
    Vainly your loveblown bannerets mourn!
    No more will the wild wind that passes
    Return, no more return.
    There once was a man from Looe
    Who pretended to hate the EU
    All knew he was lying -
    That man's always flying
    To Berlin, Milan, and Bayeux
    Not bad. But the first line is all wrong, not enough syllables, and doesn’t flow. Looe is divided into East and West, so you can use that; and you should also include an insult, therefore

    There was an old man from West Looe

    Is a much better opening line
    Your argument rings very true.

    PS I was trying to think of a better city than Bayeux to rhyme with Looe/EU. Couldn't immediately think of one (Chateauroux has too many syllables) so I asked ChatGPT, which came up with this gem:

    Me: Can you think of a European city name that rhymes with 'you'?

    ChatGPT: Certainly! The city name that rhymes with "you" is "Dublin," which is the capital of Ireland.


    So bad it's rather splendid.
    That’s an interesting error

    Because Dublin comes from Dubh-linn = Irish for “black river” - and many Celtic languages pronounce Dubh (black) as Doo - cf Baldhu in Cornish, pronounced, “Bal-doo” = black mine

    Maybe ChatGPT has some weird deep language memory of Celtic pronunciation?! I sometimes find its hallucinations more interesting than its coherent answers

    Bayeux isn’t perfect, the rhyme isn’t exact, maybe Fitou?
    "Can you think of a European city name that rhymes with 'you'?"

    Turku - Finland.

    Even better, nice Porvoo just outside Helsinki.

    Finnish place names tend to end in vowels.
  • Carnyx said:

    Oulu. Or Uleaborg in Swedish.

    Sibiu, Romania
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,802
    Food input costs must be falling, Nandos have brought back the 20% student discount after almost 5 years. It was hugely popular when I was a student and has been for all students since then so if this wasn't feasible for them from a cost perspective they wouldn't be doing it.

    I do think we're at or near the peak of food costs.
  • IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Cobalt clouds over Cathar Country: rainstorms say Return, return



    What, to the EU?
    I heard their young hearts crying
    Loveward above the glancing oar
    And heard the prairie grasses sighing:
    No more, return no more!

    O hearts, O sighing grasses,
    Vainly your loveblown bannerets mourn!
    No more will the wild wind that passes
    Return, no more return.
    There once was a man from Looe
    Who pretended to hate the EU
    All knew he was lying -
    That man's always flying
    To Berlin, Milan, and Bayeux
    Not bad. But the first line is all wrong, not enough syllables, and doesn’t flow. Looe is divided into East and West, so you can use that; and you should also include an insult, therefore

    There was an old man from West Looe

    Is a much better opening line
    Your argument rings very true.

    PS I was trying to think of a better city than Bayeux to rhyme with Looe/EU. Couldn't immediately think of one (Chateauroux has too many syllables) so I asked ChatGPT, which came up with this gem:

    Me: Can you think of a European city name that rhymes with 'you'?

    ChatGPT: Certainly! The city name that rhymes with "you" is "Dublin," which is the capital of Ireland.


    So bad it's rather splendid.
    That’s an interesting error

    Because Dublin comes from Dubh-linn = Irish for “black river” - and many Celtic languages pronounce Dubh (black) as Doo - cf Baldhu in Cornish, pronounced, “Bal-doo” = black mine

    Maybe ChatGPT has some weird deep language memory of Celtic pronunciation?! I sometimes find its hallucinations more interesting than its coherent answers

    Bayeux isn’t perfect, the rhyme isn’t exact, maybe Fitou?
    "Can you think of a European city name that rhymes with 'you'?"

    Turku - Finland.

    Even better, nice Porvoo just outside Helsinki.

    Finnish place names tend to end in vowels.
    Çorlu, in the European part of Turkey.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,812
    viewcode said:

    Those of you interested in real-time AI generated undetectable realistic avatars of a specific person may wish to see this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62-aWHGKeMo

    Hmm... if that is as far as it has got my concerns that the "consensual" video is a deep fake may not be well founded.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,859

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Cobalt clouds over Cathar Country: rainstorms say Return, return



    What, to the EU?
    I heard their young hearts crying
    Loveward above the glancing oar
    And heard the prairie grasses sighing:
    No more, return no more!

    O hearts, O sighing grasses,
    Vainly your loveblown bannerets mourn!
    No more will the wild wind that passes
    Return, no more return.
    There once was a man from Looe
    Who pretended to hate the EU
    All knew he was lying -
    That man's always flying
    To Berlin, Milan, and Bayeux
    Not bad. But the first line is all wrong, not enough syllables, and doesn’t flow. Looe is divided into East and West, so you can use that; and you should also include an insult, therefore

    There was an old man from West Looe

    Is a much better opening line
    Your argument rings very true.

    PS I was trying to think of a better city than Bayeux to rhyme with Looe/EU. Couldn't immediately think of one (Chateauroux has too many syllables) so I asked ChatGPT, which came up with this gem:

    Me: Can you think of a European city name that rhymes with 'you'?

    ChatGPT: Certainly! The city name that rhymes with "you" is "Dublin," which is the capital of Ireland.


    So bad it's rather splendid.
    That’s an interesting error

    Because Dublin comes from Dubh-linn = Irish for “black river” - and many Celtic languages pronounce Dubh (black) as Doo - cf Baldhu in Cornish, pronounced, “Bal-doo” = black mine

    Maybe ChatGPT has some weird deep language memory of Celtic pronunciation?! I sometimes find its hallucinations more interesting than its coherent answers

    Bayeux isn’t perfect, the rhyme isn’t exact, maybe Fitou?
    "Can you think of a European city name that rhymes with 'you'?"

    Turku - Finland.

    Even better, nice Porvoo just outside Helsinki.

    Finnish place names tend to end in vowels.
    Çorlu, in the European part of Turkey.
    Or more familiarly, Corfu
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,496

    Foxy said:

    Read my speech to @instituteforgov where I set out the need to abandon 25 years of stale economic consensus and make Britain grow again.

    We need tax cuts, supply side reform, smaller government and a delay to Net Zero.👇
    elizabethtruss.com/news/speech-in…

    https://twitter.com/trussliz/status/1703783632672903341?t=x85veDGmn6abhTvPaOJ2tg&s=19

    If @Dougseal is right then surely no resignation honours as she returns in triumph to the top of the party.

    For the record, it will surprise nobody to know that I agree with every word of her speech. I don't really see how any Tory could disagree. Clearly some of our PB Tories are still dealing with their internalised guilt for foisting the dismal decline manager on us.
    That won't do really. For example, a smaller government. Lets be modest and knock £50 billion off state managed expenditure. This is so modest it is much less than current annual borrowing.

    Find the £50 billion savings. (It's roughly our entire defence expenditure).
  • algarkirk said:

    Foxy said:

    Read my speech to @instituteforgov where I set out the need to abandon 25 years of stale economic consensus and make Britain grow again.

    We need tax cuts, supply side reform, smaller government and a delay to Net Zero.👇
    elizabethtruss.com/news/speech-in…

    https://twitter.com/trussliz/status/1703783632672903341?t=x85veDGmn6abhTvPaOJ2tg&s=19

    If @Dougseal is right then surely no resignation honours as she returns in triumph to the top of the party.

    For the record, it will surprise nobody to know that I agree with every word of her speech. I don't really see how any Tory could disagree. Clearly some of our PB Tories are still dealing with their internalised guilt for foisting the dismal decline manager on us.
    That won't do really. For example, a smaller government. Lets be modest and knock £50 billion off state managed expenditure. This is so modest it is much less than current annual borrowing.

    Find the £50 billion savings. (It's roughly our entire defence expenditure).
    The Government is planning to bung £245 billion at the BOE over the next few years to fund their bond flog off. That would do for a start.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-09-12/boe-s-qt-program-likened-to-gold-sales-at-bottom-of-the-market

  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,859
    The Laura K thing was a good watch; no hugely newsworthy revelations but piling on the evidence for what a disaster it was putting the clown into number ten.

    Saving the real chaos for episode three
  • On the first working day of the 20mph rule in Wales over 100,000 have signed the petition against it

    https://petitions.senedd.wales/petitions/245548
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,802
    algarkirk said:

    Foxy said:

    Read my speech to @instituteforgov where I set out the need to abandon 25 years of stale economic consensus and make Britain grow again.

    We need tax cuts, supply side reform, smaller government and a delay to Net Zero.👇
    elizabethtruss.com/news/speech-in…

    https://twitter.com/trussliz/status/1703783632672903341?t=x85veDGmn6abhTvPaOJ2tg&s=19

    If @Dougseal is right then surely no resignation honours as she returns in triumph to the top of the party.

    For the record, it will surprise nobody to know that I agree with every word of her speech. I don't really see how any Tory could disagree. Clearly some of our PB Tories are still dealing with their internalised guilt for foisting the dismal decline manager on us.
    That won't do really. For example, a smaller government. Lets be modest and knock £50 billion off state managed expenditure. This is so modest it is much less than current annual borrowing.

    Find the £50 billion savings. (It's roughly our entire defence expenditure).
    £50bn is easy. Means test the state pension, anyone with private income in retirement of over £30k has a 75% taper rate. Cut disability benefits for "mental health" substantially or entirely, it's the new back problem for societies won't work types. Those with actual mental health issues can be assessed under the standard disability benefits criteria as they were until the rules changed.

    Stop selling RPI linked bonds or at least reduce the mix to something like just 5-10% of the total and switch all index linking to CPIH for new bonds, new and existing DB pensions and the state pension.

    I think that would save in excess of £50bn and axing RPI linked bonds would save substantially more over time and it would force pension fund managers to earn their living and support equity markets rather than just throw more money at linkers.
  • MaxPB said:

    algarkirk said:

    Foxy said:

    Read my speech to @instituteforgov where I set out the need to abandon 25 years of stale economic consensus and make Britain grow again.

    We need tax cuts, supply side reform, smaller government and a delay to Net Zero.👇
    elizabethtruss.com/news/speech-in…

    https://twitter.com/trussliz/status/1703783632672903341?t=x85veDGmn6abhTvPaOJ2tg&s=19

    If @Dougseal is right then surely no resignation honours as she returns in triumph to the top of the party.

    For the record, it will surprise nobody to know that I agree with every word of her speech. I don't really see how any Tory could disagree. Clearly some of our PB Tories are still dealing with their internalised guilt for foisting the dismal decline manager on us.
    That won't do really. For example, a smaller government. Lets be modest and knock £50 billion off state managed expenditure. This is so modest it is much less than current annual borrowing.

    Find the £50 billion savings. (It's roughly our entire defence expenditure).
    £50bn is easy. Means test the state pension, anyone with private income in retirement of over £30k has a 75% taper rate. Cut disability benefits for "mental health" substantially or entirely, it's the new back problem for societies won't work types. Those with actual mental health issues can be assessed under the standard disability benefits criteria as they were until the rules changed.

    Stop selling RPI linked bonds or at least reduce the mix to something like just 5-10% of the total and switch all index linking to CPIH for new bonds, new and existing DB pensions and the state pension.

    I think that would save in excess of £50bn and axing RPI linked bonds would save substantially more over time and it would force pension fund managers to earn their living and support equity markets rather than just throw more money at linkers.
    Would be interested to know what you make of Truss's speech, as she offers some validiction of the mini budget which I know you hated.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,802

    algarkirk said:

    Foxy said:

    Read my speech to @instituteforgov where I set out the need to abandon 25 years of stale economic consensus and make Britain grow again.

    We need tax cuts, supply side reform, smaller government and a delay to Net Zero.👇
    elizabethtruss.com/news/speech-in…

    https://twitter.com/trussliz/status/1703783632672903341?t=x85veDGmn6abhTvPaOJ2tg&s=19

    If @Dougseal is right then surely no resignation honours as she returns in triumph to the top of the party.

    For the record, it will surprise nobody to know that I agree with every word of her speech. I don't really see how any Tory could disagree. Clearly some of our PB Tories are still dealing with their internalised guilt for foisting the dismal decline manager on us.
    That won't do really. For example, a smaller government. Lets be modest and knock £50 billion off state managed expenditure. This is so modest it is much less than current annual borrowing.

    Find the £50 billion savings. (It's roughly our entire defence expenditure).
    The Government is planning to bung £245 billion at the BOE over the next few years to fund their bond flog off. That would do for a start.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-09-12/boe-s-qt-program-likened-to-gold-sales-at-bottom-of-the-market

    MaxPB said:

    algarkirk said:

    Foxy said:

    Read my speech to @instituteforgov where I set out the need to abandon 25 years of stale economic consensus and make Britain grow again.

    We need tax cuts, supply side reform, smaller government and a delay to Net Zero.👇
    elizabethtruss.com/news/speech-in…

    https://twitter.com/trussliz/status/1703783632672903341?t=x85veDGmn6abhTvPaOJ2tg&s=19

    If @Dougseal is right then surely no resignation honours as she returns in triumph to the top of the party.

    For the record, it will surprise nobody to know that I agree with every word of her speech. I don't really see how any Tory could disagree. Clearly some of our PB Tories are still dealing with their internalised guilt for foisting the dismal decline manager on us.
    That won't do really. For example, a smaller government. Lets be modest and knock £50 billion off state managed expenditure. This is so modest it is much less than current annual borrowing.

    Find the £50 billion savings. (It's roughly our entire defence expenditure).
    £50bn is easy. Means test the state pension, anyone with private income in retirement of over £30k has a 75% taper rate. Cut disability benefits for "mental health" substantially or entirely, it's the new back problem for societies won't work types. Those with actual mental health issues can be assessed under the standard disability benefits criteria as they were until the rules changed.

    Stop selling RPI linked bonds or at least reduce the mix to something like just 5-10% of the total and switch all index linking to CPIH for new bonds, new and existing DB pensions and the state pension.

    I think that would save in excess of £50bn and axing RPI linked bonds would save substantially more over time and it would force pension fund managers to earn their living and support equity markets rather than just throw more money at linkers.
    Would be interested to know what you make of Truss's speech, as she offers some validiction of the mini budget which I know you hated.
    I haven't read it, she's a spent force and I have no inclination to waste my time reading drivel from a truly clueless has been.
  • Foxy said:

    Read my speech to @instituteforgov where I set out the need to abandon 25 years of stale economic consensus and make Britain grow again.

    We need tax cuts, supply side reform, smaller government and a delay to Net Zero.👇
    elizabethtruss.com/news/speech-in…

    https://twitter.com/trussliz/status/1703783632672903341?t=x85veDGmn6abhTvPaOJ2tg&s=19

    If @Dougseal is right then surely no resignation honours as she returns in triumph to the top of the party.

    The economic consensus is that tax cuts are good, which is why the National Debt is so huge.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,188
    MaxPB said:

    Food input costs must be falling, Nandos have brought back the 20% student discount after almost 5 years. It was hugely popular when I was a student and has been for all students since then so if this wasn't feasible for them from a cost perspective they wouldn't be doing it.

    I do think we're at or near the peak of food costs.

    We got a beef roasting joint (rump) for £6/kg the other day
  • MaxPB said:

    algarkirk said:

    Foxy said:

    Read my speech to @instituteforgov where I set out the need to abandon 25 years of stale economic consensus and make Britain grow again.

    We need tax cuts, supply side reform, smaller government and a delay to Net Zero.👇
    elizabethtruss.com/news/speech-in…

    https://twitter.com/trussliz/status/1703783632672903341?t=x85veDGmn6abhTvPaOJ2tg&s=19

    If @Dougseal is right then surely no resignation honours as she returns in triumph to the top of the party.

    For the record, it will surprise nobody to know that I agree with every word of her speech. I don't really see how any Tory could disagree. Clearly some of our PB Tories are still dealing with their internalised guilt for foisting the dismal decline manager on us.
    That won't do really. For example, a smaller government. Lets be modest and knock £50 billion off state managed expenditure. This is so modest it is much less than current annual borrowing.

    Find the £50 billion savings. (It's roughly our entire defence expenditure).
    The Government is planning to bung £245 billion at the BOE over the next few years to fund their bond flog off. That would do for a start.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-09-12/boe-s-qt-program-likened-to-gold-sales-at-bottom-of-the-market

    MaxPB said:

    algarkirk said:

    Foxy said:

    Read my speech to @instituteforgov where I set out the need to abandon 25 years of stale economic consensus and make Britain grow again.

    We need tax cuts, supply side reform, smaller government and a delay to Net Zero.👇
    elizabethtruss.com/news/speech-in…

    https://twitter.com/trussliz/status/1703783632672903341?t=x85veDGmn6abhTvPaOJ2tg&s=19

    If @Dougseal is right then surely no resignation honours as she returns in triumph to the top of the party.

    For the record, it will surprise nobody to know that I agree with every word of her speech. I don't really see how any Tory could disagree. Clearly some of our PB Tories are still dealing with their internalised guilt for foisting the dismal decline manager on us.
    That won't do really. For example, a smaller government. Lets be modest and knock £50 billion off state managed expenditure. This is so modest it is much less than current annual borrowing.

    Find the £50 billion savings. (It's roughly our entire defence expenditure).
    £50bn is easy. Means test the state pension, anyone with private income in retirement of over £30k has a 75% taper rate. Cut disability benefits for "mental health" substantially or entirely, it's the new back problem for societies won't work types. Those with actual mental health issues can be assessed under the standard disability benefits criteria as they were until the rules changed.

    Stop selling RPI linked bonds or at least reduce the mix to something like just 5-10% of the total and switch all index linking to CPIH for new bonds, new and existing DB pensions and the state pension.

    I think that would save in excess of £50bn and axing RPI linked bonds would save substantially more over time and it would force pension fund managers to earn their living and support equity markets rather than just throw more money at linkers.
    Would be interested to know what you make of Truss's speech, as she offers some validiction of the mini budget which I know you hated.
    I haven't read it, she's a spent force and I have no inclination to waste my time reading drivel from a truly clueless has been.
    Just as well we don't apply the same logic to your posts really isn't it, next time you tell us that tidal power is going to bring the moon down.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368

    On the first working day of the 20mph rule in Wales over 100,000 have signed the petition against it

    https://petitions.senedd.wales/petitions/245548

    All this prevention of automotive derived child deaths by increasing survival rates for vehicle- pedestrian conflicts is sick communism!
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