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Punters remain uneasy about the Mid Beds by-election – politicalbetting.com

SystemSystem Posts: 11,002
edited September 17 in General
imagePunters remain uneasy about the Mid Beds by-election – politicalbetting.com

So far none of the major parties has managed to dominate the betting in the October 19th mid Beds by-election and as can be seen the LD. CON and LAB odds are very close to each other.

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  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 9,292
    First on the Mid Beds 'not had a bet' Scandal
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 2,706
    I still think CON will finish top 3 👍
  • Well.

    Putin weighs in on charges against Trump:

    “What’s happening with Trump is a persecution of a political rival for political motives.”

    “This shows the whole rottenness of the American political system, which cannot claim to teach others about democracy”


    https://twitter.com/JonLemire/status/1701549737076302086
  • Con to hold both Tamworth & Mid Beds.
  • FarooqFarooq Posts: 10,633

    Well.

    Putin weighs in on charges against Trump:

    “What’s happening with Trump is a persecution of a political rival for political motives.”

    “This shows the whole rottenness of the American political system, which cannot claim to teach others about democracy”


    https://twitter.com/JonLemire/status/1701549737076302086

    Just Putin trying to undermine faith in Western democracy. Ignore and move on is my advice. We have due process and Trump will be found guilty or not guilty by a jury of his equals.

    If the Russians come for Putin after his innumerable crimes, it won't end in jail cell.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 56,030
    Bill Kristol
    @BillKristol
    ·
    7h
    Trump won NC by one and a half percent in 2020. Now he's ahead of Biden by 4. Consistent with national polls showing him running a couple of points better against Biden than he did in 2020.

    I am alarmed.

    https://twitter.com/BillKristol/status/1701546580417884227
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 56,030
    Farooq said:

    Well.

    Putin weighs in on charges against Trump:

    “What’s happening with Trump is a persecution of a political rival for political motives.”

    “This shows the whole rottenness of the American political system, which cannot claim to teach others about democracy”


    https://twitter.com/JonLemire/status/1701549737076302086

    Just Putin trying to undermine faith in Western democracy. Ignore and move on is my advice. We have due process and Trump will be found guilty or not guilty by a jury of his equals.

    If the Russians come for Putin after his innumerable crimes, it won't end in jail cell.
    “What’s happening with Trump is a persecution of my best hope of a win in Ukraine for political motives.”
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 2,706

    Con to hold both Tamworth & Mid Beds.

    Is that the beginning of the swing back?
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 9,292
    Farooq said:

    Well.

    Putin weighs in on charges against Trump:

    “What’s happening with Trump is a persecution of a political rival for political motives.”

    “This shows the whole rottenness of the American political system, which cannot claim to teach others about democracy”


    https://twitter.com/JonLemire/status/1701549737076302086

    Just Putin trying to undermine faith in Western democracy. Ignore and move on is my advice. We have due process and Trump will be found guilty or not guilty by a jury of his equals.

    If the Russians come for Putin after his innumerable crimes, it won't end in jail cell.
    I don't think Putin is trying to undermine Western democracy - I think it's much more about him trying to sing the praises of Russian democracy. Every Russian can after all vote for Putin.
  • Traitorous Scots booing their own national anthem.
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 3,530
    I absolutely hate people booing national anthems . The Scottish football supporters should be ashamed .
  • Con to hold both Tamworth & Mid Beds.

    Is that the beginning of the swing back?
    No.

    Mid Beds a Con hold because the Lib Dems split the anti Tory vote.

    Tamworth down to a bit of sympathy for Chris Pincher.
  • FarooqFarooq Posts: 10,633
    nico679 said:

    I absolutely hate people booing national anthems . The Scottish football supporters should be ashamed .

    Hahahaha
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 3,530
    Farooq said:

    nico679 said:

    I absolutely hate people booing national anthems . The Scottish football supporters should be ashamed .

    Hahahaha
    I’d say the same if this was south of the border . Disgusting and disrespectful.
  • FarooqFarooq Posts: 10,633
    nico679 said:

    Farooq said:

    nico679 said:

    I absolutely hate people booing national anthems . The Scottish football supporters should be ashamed .

    Hahahaha
    I’d say the same if this was south of the border . Disgusting and disrespectful.
    Oh don't take it so seriously
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 113,633
    nico679 said:

    I absolutely hate people booing national anthems . The Scottish football supporters should be ashamed .

    Both supporters booed the others anthem.

    It does show how Jerusalem must be the England anthem, it is ludicrous having GSTK still as national anthem for England when they play against other home nations or Commonwealth realms the King is head of state of too.

  • HYUFD said:

    nico679 said:

    I absolutely hate people booing national anthems . The Scottish football supporters should be ashamed .

    Both supporters booed the others anthem.

    It does show how Jerusalem must be the England anthem, it is ludicrous having GSTK still as national anthem for England when they play against other home nations or Commonwealth realms the King is head of state of too.

    The booing during the minute's silence for Craig Brown was a disgrace.

    Lovely lovely man.
  • So Sky have named their new politics show 'PoliticsHub'.

    I fear an epic autocorrect will soon happen with a word that begins with 'Po' and ends in 'hub'.
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 4,798
    edited September 12
    HYUFD said:

    nico679 said:

    I absolutely hate people booing national anthems . The Scottish football supporters should be ashamed .

    Both supporters booed the others anthem.

    It does show how Jerusalem must be the England anthem, it is ludicrous having GSTK still as national anthem for England when they play against other home nations or Commonwealth realms the King is head of state of too.

    No. All the nations with the King as HoS should have GSTK, but sung in their local language, played with local instruments, and to a local style version of the tune
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 40,983

    Con to hold both Tamworth & Mid Beds.

    Tamworth but not Mid Beds. Not after the Dorries fiasco.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 48,896
    Just watching Notorious from 1946. Cary Grant, Ingrid Bergman, Hitchcock directing - what's not to love.

    What is startling is that the film's theme music was very, very close to the much later TV Star Trek theme..... If you should ever watch it.
  • FarooqFarooq Posts: 10,633

    HYUFD said:

    nico679 said:

    I absolutely hate people booing national anthems . The Scottish football supporters should be ashamed .

    Both supporters booed the others anthem.

    It does show how Jerusalem must be the England anthem, it is ludicrous having GSTK still as national anthem for England when they play against other home nations or Commonwealth realms the King is head of state of too.

    The booing during the minute's silence for Craig Brown was a disgrace.

    Lovely lovely man.
    This is why if you're going to have these tributes (and really, it's probably all a bit overdone) then you should do it with applause. Football is institutionally maudlin.
  • So Sky have named their new politics show 'PoliticsHub'.

    I fear an epic autocorrect will soon happen with a word that begins with 'Po' and ends in 'hub'.

    Certainly if current polling is to be believed.

    Is "polling" a euphemism for something unspeakable?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 48,896
    edited September 12
    Foxy said:

    Con to hold both Tamworth & Mid Beds.

    Tamworth but not Mid Beds. Not after the Dorries fiasco.
    Probably plenty of natural Tories there who wouldn't have voted for Dorries.....I'm sure it was why the Tories held Hillingdon in the by-election. ULEZ my arse. Anti-Boris Tories returning home.
  • Correct on Craig Brown - one of the real good guys.

    Meanwhile can a split opposition and a Mid-Beds win save Mr Sunak from the looming threat of a Gullis challenge to his leadership? Could he remove Mr Sunak and the Con MPs then reward us with a Gullis v Truss leadership campaign while poor Johnson watches from the sidelines. Always remember my Con-supporting friends that things really could be worse than a mere 20% defecit in the polls.
  • Foxy said:

    Con to hold both Tamworth & Mid Beds.

    Tamworth but not Mid Beds. Not after the Dorries fiasco.
    Probably plenty of natural Tories there who wouldn't have voted for Dorries.....
    Probably one of the reasons why the swing in Uxbridge was so meh. At least some voters must have thought "thank God the disreputable scarecrow has gone".
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 113,633

    HYUFD said:

    nico679 said:

    I absolutely hate people booing national anthems . The Scottish football supporters should be ashamed .

    Both supporters booed the others anthem.

    It does show how Jerusalem must be the England anthem, it is ludicrous having GSTK still as national anthem for England when they play against other home nations or Commonwealth realms the King is head of state of too.

    No. All the nations with the King as HoS should have GSTK, but sung in their local language, played with local instruments, and to a local style version of the tune
    No, GSTK should just be the UK anthem and royal anthem when the King is in attendance. It should be an anthem of unity not pitting one of his realms against others
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 63,074

    Traitorous Scots booing their own national anthem.

    Was it that verse about Marshall Wade and the rebellious Scots?
  • FarooqFarooq Posts: 10,633

    Just watching Notorious from 1946. Cary Grant, Ingrid Bergman, Hitchcock directing - what's not to love.

    What is startling is that the film's theme music was very, very close to the much later TV Star Trek theme..... If you should ever watch it.

    Yeah, it really is quite reminiscent. Just checked it out and you're spot on.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 53,049

    So Sky have named their new politics show 'PoliticsHub'.

    I'm not sure I'd be into that.
  • FarooqFarooq Posts: 10,633
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    nico679 said:

    I absolutely hate people booing national anthems . The Scottish football supporters should be ashamed .

    Both supporters booed the others anthem.

    It does show how Jerusalem must be the England anthem, it is ludicrous having GSTK still as national anthem for England when they play against other home nations or Commonwealth realms the King is head of state of too.

    No. All the nations with the King as HoS should have GSTK, but sung in their local language, played with local instruments, and to a local style version of the tune
    No, GSTK should just be the UK anthem and royal anthem when the King is in attendance. It should be an anthem of unity not pitting one of his realms against others
    It may distress you to know that I entirely agree
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 53,049
    Lay the LDs is my strategy here.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 58,734
    edited September 12

    So Sky have named their new politics show 'PoliticsHub'.

    I fear an epic autocorrect will soon happen with a word that begins with 'Po' and ends in 'hub'.

    HR at my work uses a performance management/development tool called "Performance Hub", which some of my colleagues refer to as PHub. :anguished:
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 9,292

    Traitorous Scots booing their own national anthem.

    The Scots have always been firm when it counts. A bit windy, sure.
  • HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    nico679 said:

    I absolutely hate people booing national anthems . The Scottish football supporters should be ashamed .

    Both supporters booed the others anthem.

    It does show how Jerusalem must be the England anthem, it is ludicrous having GSTK still as national anthem for England when they play against other home nations or Commonwealth realms the King is head of state of too.

    No. All the nations with the King as HoS should have GSTK, but sung in their local language, played with local instruments, and to a local style version of the tune
    No, GSTK should just be the UK anthem and royal anthem when the King is in attendance. It should be an anthem of unity not pitting one of his realms against others
    I do actually agree. I was being silly

    I would like to hear the Welsh and Scottish versions though
  • HYUFD said:

    nico679 said:

    I absolutely hate people booing national anthems . The Scottish football supporters should be ashamed .

    Both supporters booed the others anthem.

    It does show how Jerusalem must be the England anthem, it is ludicrous having GSTK still as national anthem for England when they play against other home nations or Commonwealth realms the King is head of state of too.

    "God Save The King"? What about the rest of us plebs?
  • So Sky have named their new politics show 'PoliticsHub'.

    I fear an epic autocorrect will soon happen with a word that begins with 'Po' and ends in 'hub'.

    PollingHub?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 51,751

    So Sky have named their new politics show 'PoliticsHub'.

    I'm not sure I'd be into that.
    It's a pretty niche fetish.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 5,349

    Con to hold both Tamworth & Mid Beds.

    Is that the beginning of the swing back?
    No.

    Mid Beds a Con hold because the Lib Dems split the anti Tory vote.

    Tamworth down to a bit of sympathy for Chris Pincher.
    Tories pinch an unexpected victory to bed down in government?
  • England score!!
  • Straight off the plane from Berlin I can immediately tell I’m back in shit hole Tory Britain - ‘Making your life worse in a thousand ways since 2010’.

  • LeonLeon Posts: 38,046
    edited September 12
    Should this be a crime?


    “Paedophiles using open source AI to create child sexual abuse content, says watchdog”

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/sep/12/paedophiles-using-open-source-ai-to-create-child-sexual-abuse-content-says-watchdog?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

    Clearly if they are taking real images of real people and manipulating them, that should be illegal. Predatory and invasive

    But what if they are creating images ex nihilo? Of children that “do not exist”? Which are just pixels conjured by Dalle-3 or whatever?

    I can see arguments both ways. On the bad side, this is material which may deprave and corrupt, on the other side, it seems insane to prosecute people for digital imaginings, and it is arguable that this might slake the perverse thirst of men who would otherwise commit real crimes against real people
  • 2-0 to the England!!
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 45,760
    Have Apple actually cut some of their prices for the new iPhones?
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 3,530
    Dreadful defending by Scotland .
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 110,673
    edited September 12

    Have Apple actually cut some of their prices for the new iPhones?

    Yes, certainly for UK users of the Pro Max.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 5,349

    Straight off the plane from Berlin I can immediately tell I’m back in shit hole Tory Britain - ‘Making your life worse in a thousand ways since 2010’.

    So a tap in a building owned and operated by a private company (or may be a local council) springs a leak.

    Management take swift action to make sure there is no danger of someone slipping on the wet floor and injuring themselves until they can get a plumber out to fix the leak.

    I’m failing to see what the problem is? And why the government deserves any blame (or credit) for it.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 40,983
    rcs1000 said:

    So Sky have named their new politics show 'PoliticsHub'.

    I'm not sure I'd be into that.
    It's a pretty niche fetish.
    The whips might like it.
  • So Sky have named their new politics show 'PoliticsHub'.

    I'm not sure I'd be into that.
    These Trump supporting women certainly would be into that.


  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 63,074

    Con to hold both Tamworth & Mid Beds.

    Is that the beginning of the swing back?
    No.

    Mid Beds a Con hold because the Lib Dems split the anti Tory vote.

    Tamworth down to a bit of sympathy for Chris Pincher.
    There is no sympathy whatsoever for Chris Pincher in Tamworth. He was a useless constituency MP and was infamous for bullying to cover up not only his own but also his friends' sexual misbehaviour, one such friend being the headmaster of a local school.

    The reaction to hearing he was resigning was 'finally, the twat.'
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 35,866
    "BP boss resigns amid review of 'personal relationships'"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-66790609
  • LeonLeon Posts: 38,046
    edited September 12

    Straight off the plane from Berlin I can immediately tell I’m back in shit hole Tory Britain - ‘Making your life worse in a thousand ways since 2010’.

    I can reliably inform you that remote provincial France, which did not Brexit, is looking considerably more fucked than the equivalent place in provincial England, which did
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 45,760

    Have Apple actually cut some of their prices for the new iPhones?

    Yes, certainly for UK users of the Pro Max.
    They must think their clientele are hard up.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 63,074

    "BP boss resigns amid review of 'personal relationships'"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-66790609

    Gosh, BP really know how to pick 'em, don't they?

    At least this one has only been accused of lying, not perjury.
  • Have Apple actually cut some of their prices for the new iPhones?

    Yes, certainly for UK users of the Pro Max.
    They must think their clientele are hard up.
    We are.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 36,033
    nico679 said:

    I absolutely hate people booing national anthems . The Scottish football supporters should be ashamed .

    Eh? Why not complain about the Lichtenstein national anthem being played? Borat has obviously got in here too.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 39,381

    "BP boss resigns amid review of 'personal relationships'"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-66790609

    Don’t worry. His pension is safe, as are his share options. Also the golden goodbye. Also the golden hello at his next job. Which will pay more money than he was on at BP.

    Failure. A bitch isn’t it?

    #NU10K
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 15,368
    rcs1000 said:

    So Sky have named their new politics show 'PoliticsHub'.

    I'm not sure I'd be into that.
    It's a pretty niche fetish.
    Unless it was Korean. In which case it's a juche fetish.
  • These type of attacks do not work when the Tories have been in power for 13 years.

    Today Labour claimed to be the party of homeownership yet tomorrow they plan to vote down laws that would unlock 100k homes. Sir Keir is seeking to end the dream of homeownership for thousands of families by playing politics. Labour are the party of the blockers not the builders

    https://twitter.com/michaelgove/status/1701671034720510103
  • LeonLeon Posts: 38,046

    These type of attacks do not work when the Tories have been in power for 13 years.

    Today Labour claimed to be the party of homeownership yet tomorrow they plan to vote down laws that would unlock 100k homes. Sir Keir is seeking to end the dream of homeownership for thousands of families by playing politics. Labour are the party of the blockers not the builders

    https://twitter.com/michaelgove/status/1701671034720510103

    No attack works after 13 years in power, with inflation high and an economy teetering upon recession

    We should just be thankful Labour are led by Starmer, not Corbyn. As things stand if Corbyn was Labour leader, he’d have a real shot at winning in 2024
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 39,381

    Have Apple actually cut some of their prices for the new iPhones?

    Yes, certainly for UK users of the Pro Max.
    They must think their clientele are hard up.
    We are.
    @TSE was reduced to selling three houses he keeps part of his shoe collection in.

    Have you no soul? No compassion?
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 17,614
    I think the Tories will hold both. Tamworth is miles out of sight for Labour. And they will pay for their naivety in failing to make an arrangement with the Libs in Beds.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 63,074
    edited September 12

    Have Apple actually cut some of their prices for the new iPhones?

    Yes, certainly for UK users of the Pro Max.
    They must think their clientele are hard up.
    We are.
    @TSE was reduced to selling three houses he keeps part of his shoe collection in.

    Have you no soul? No compassion?
    Did you hear about the obsessive footwear thief?

    He ran out of space for his booty.
  • Have Apple actually cut some of their prices for the new iPhones?

    Yes, certainly for UK users of the Pro Max.
    They must think their clientele are hard up.
    We are.
    @TSE was reduced to selling three houses he keeps part of his shoe collection in.

    Have you no soul? No compassion?
    Cost of living crisis hit home last week, needed a new microwave, we bought a Panasonic one in 2015 and it cost £129.99.

    Equivalent version today was £299.99
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 1,754
    Leon said:

    Should this be a crime?


    “Paedophiles using open source AI to create child sexual abuse content, says watchdog”

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/sep/12/paedophiles-using-open-source-ai-to-create-child-sexual-abuse-content-says-watchdog?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

    Clearly if they are taking real images of real people and manipulating them, that should be illegal. Predatory and invasive

    But what if they are creating images ex nihilo? Of children that “do not exist”? Which are just pixels conjured by Dalle-3 or whatever?

    I can see arguments both ways. On the bad side, this is material which may deprave and corrupt, on the other side, it seems insane to prosecute people for digital imaginings, and it is arguable that this might slake the perverse thirst of men who would otherwise commit real crimes against real people

    Did the 'Tony The Tiger' case pass you by?

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/dad-wrongly-probed-tiger-porn-4521506

    On the substantive point - it's only a matter of time until someone trains an 'AI' model/robot to 'be' a child that wants to be abused. Like a horrific version of the cow which wants to be eaten in Restaurant At The End Of The Universe. Then where are we at?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 63,074

    Have Apple actually cut some of their prices for the new iPhones?

    Yes, certainly for UK users of the Pro Max.
    They must think their clientele are hard up.
    We are.
    @TSE was reduced to selling three houses he keeps part of his shoe collection in.

    Have you no soul? No compassion?
    Cost of living crisis hit home last week, needed a new microwave, we bought a Panasonic one in 2015 and it cost £129.99.

    Equivalent version today was £299.99
    If it only lasted eight years I would have tried a different brand this time.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 1,754

    Have Apple actually cut some of their prices for the new iPhones?

    Yes, certainly for UK users of the Pro Max.
    They must think their clientele are hard up.
    We are.
    @TSE was reduced to selling three houses he keeps part of his shoe collection in.

    Have you no soul? No compassion?
    One of my friends has a 'shoe room'. About the size of my sitting room. She has quite the collection.
  • HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    nico679 said:

    I absolutely hate people booing national anthems . The Scottish football supporters should be ashamed .

    Both supporters booed the others anthem.

    It does show how Jerusalem must be the England anthem, it is ludicrous having GSTK still as national anthem for England when they play against other home nations or Commonwealth realms the King is head of state of too.

    No. All the nations with the King as HoS should have GSTK, but sung in their local language, played with local instruments, and to a local style version of the tune
    No, GSTK should just be the UK anthem and royal anthem when the King is in attendance. It should be an anthem of unity not pitting one of his realms against others
    I am ambivalent about GSTH as the National Anthem - partly because of Billy Connolley's brulliant Archers Theme tune suggestion and partly because I love Jerusalem so am very biased in favour of it being the National Anthem.

    However one thing I hope we can all agree on (don't laugh so hard please) is that the arrangment of GSTK used in recent years at the end of Last Night of the Proms is a turgid abomination that has no place outside of a requiem mass. If there ever was any life in the tune it is sucked competely dry by that version.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 19,302
    I agree with those predicting two Tory holds, for the reasons given.

    It will be nice if I am totally wrong.
  • I reckon Festus starts ahead of your average byelection candidate

    He must be very well known locally. He's already won the PCC election there and he's Britains first black PCC, which got him national coverage

    I've just watched an interview he did with Beth Rigby a while back and he seems honest, intelligent and rightly motivated

    I'd vote for him
  • ydoethur said:

    Have Apple actually cut some of their prices for the new iPhones?

    Yes, certainly for UK users of the Pro Max.
    They must think their clientele are hard up.
    We are.
    @TSE was reduced to selling three houses he keeps part of his shoe collection in.

    Have you no soul? No compassion?
    Cost of living crisis hit home last week, needed a new microwave, we bought a Panasonic one in 2015 and it cost £129.99.

    Equivalent version today was £299.99
    If it only lasted eight years I would have tried a different brand this time.
    Some idiot smashed the door against the wall.

    Otherwise it wouldn't need replacing.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 20,813

    Con to hold both Tamworth & Mid Beds.

    Is that the beginning of the swing back?
    No.

    Mid Beds a Con hold because the Lib Dems split the anti Tory vote.

    Tamworth down to a bit of sympathy for Chris Pincher.
    I'm all green on the mid-Beds market (unless the Indie wins), but the Tories should be favourites. Labour would probably take it if the Lib Dems hadn't gone for it as well, but as TSE implies the LibDem effort looks likely to mess up the tactical vote without actually breaking through. As things stand I'm guessing something like Con 35 Lab 30 LD 20, others 15. Another poll might change things, but probably not enough.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 3,609

    Just watching Notorious from 1946. Cary Grant, Ingrid Bergman, Hitchcock directing - what's not to love.

    What is startling is that the film's theme music was very, very close to the much later TV Star Trek theme..... If you should ever watch it.

    Lots of themes get 'borrowed'. John Williams does this all the time, although mostly it is 'variations on a theme of' rather than outright stealing.

    Eg King's Row (Korngold) -> Star Wars.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 63,074

    I reckon Festus starts ahead of your average byelection candidate

    He must be very well known locally. He's already won the PCC election there and he's Britains first black PCC, which got him national coverage

    I've just watched an interview he did with Beth Rigby a while back and he seems honest, intelligent and rightly motivated

    I'd vote for him

    Being a well known PCC must be like being a sane civil servant at the DfE.

    Odds are there are some around, but you would be hard pressed to name one.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 10,284

    So Sky have named their new politics show 'PoliticsHub'.

    I'm not sure I'd be into that.
    These Trump supporting women certainly would be into that.


    My goodness. Are they his daughters?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 38,046
    edited September 12
    AI software that translates words you speak, and ALSO changes your lip shape to make it look like you’re speaking Foreign

    It is NOT live yet, but it can only be a few months before they do this in real time? Then that is not just Babel Fish, but actually far ahead of Babel Fish. Feckin ell

    https://x.com/0xgaut/status/1701624127755337901?s=61&t=GGp3Vs1t1kTWDiyA-odnZg
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 8,123
    Leon said:

    Should this be a crime?


    “Paedophiles using open source AI to create child sexual abuse content, says watchdog”

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/sep/12/paedophiles-using-open-source-ai-to-create-child-sexual-abuse-content-says-watchdog?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

    Clearly if they are taking real images of real people and manipulating them, that should be illegal. Predatory and invasive

    But what if they are creating images ex nihilo? Of children that “do not exist”? Which are just pixels conjured by Dalle-3 or whatever?

    I can see arguments both ways. On the bad side, this is material which may deprave and corrupt, on the other side, it seems insane to prosecute people for digital imaginings, and it is arguable that this might slake the perverse thirst of men who would otherwise commit real crimes against real people

    it is already a crime you can be prosecuted for example for a video showing sex with tony the tiger of frosties fame....hardly a real person. People have been
  • See Macquire is on and is being openly mocked

    He should not be anywhere near playing for England or indeed Manchester United
  • LeonLeon Posts: 38,046
    When you go abroad, you will be able to hold your phonecamera up to people talking foreign languages, and the phone will show you a video of them talking credibly and authentically in English, as they talk

    There really is no need to learn foreign languages, ever again, unless you like pointless academic tasks
  • LeonLeon Posts: 38,046
    ohnotnow said:

    Leon said:

    Should this be a crime?


    “Paedophiles using open source AI to create child sexual abuse content, says watchdog”

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/sep/12/paedophiles-using-open-source-ai-to-create-child-sexual-abuse-content-says-watchdog?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

    Clearly if they are taking real images of real people and manipulating them, that should be illegal. Predatory and invasive

    But what if they are creating images ex nihilo? Of children that “do not exist”? Which are just pixels conjured by Dalle-3 or whatever?

    I can see arguments both ways. On the bad side, this is material which may deprave and corrupt, on the other side, it seems insane to prosecute people for digital imaginings, and it is arguable that this might slake the perverse thirst of men who would otherwise commit real crimes against real people

    Did the 'Tony The Tiger' case pass you by?

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/dad-wrongly-probed-tiger-porn-4521506

    On the substantive point - it's only a matter of time until someone trains an 'AI' model/robot to 'be' a child that wants to be abused. Like a horrific version of the cow which wants to be eaten in Restaurant At The End Of The Universe. Then where are we at?
    There are countless dizzying applications of AI which will transform the world - in good bad and totally effing scary ways
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 63,074
    edited September 12
    Leon said:

    When you go abroad, you will be able to hold your phonecamera up to people talking foreign languages, and the phone will show you a video of them talking credibly and authentically in English, as they talk

    There really is no need to learn foreign languages, ever again, unless you like pointless academic tasks

    Well, if you can make a living knapping flints there must be some niche for people who can speak rubbish however antiquated.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 8,123
    Leon said:

    ohnotnow said:

    Leon said:

    Should this be a crime?


    “Paedophiles using open source AI to create child sexual abuse content, says watchdog”

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/sep/12/paedophiles-using-open-source-ai-to-create-child-sexual-abuse-content-says-watchdog?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

    Clearly if they are taking real images of real people and manipulating them, that should be illegal. Predatory and invasive

    But what if they are creating images ex nihilo? Of children that “do not exist”? Which are just pixels conjured by Dalle-3 or whatever?

    I can see arguments both ways. On the bad side, this is material which may deprave and corrupt, on the other side, it seems insane to prosecute people for digital imaginings, and it is arguable that this might slake the perverse thirst of men who would otherwise commit real crimes against real people

    Did the 'Tony The Tiger' case pass you by?

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/dad-wrongly-probed-tiger-porn-4521506

    On the substantive point - it's only a matter of time until someone trains an 'AI' model/robot to 'be' a child that wants to be abused. Like a horrific version of the cow which wants to be eaten in Restaurant At The End Of The Universe. Then where are we at?
    There are countless dizzying applications of AI which will transform the world - in good bad and totally effing scary ways
    Only dizzying to you because you drank the coolaid and believe its ai when it really isnt
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 6,389
    Cookie said:

    So Sky have named their new politics show 'PoliticsHub'.

    I'm not sure I'd be into that.
    These Trump supporting women certainly would be into that.


    My goodness. Are they his daughters?
    The lady in red looks ready to clock him one. Only sane one there.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 38,046
    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    ohnotnow said:

    Leon said:

    Should this be a crime?


    “Paedophiles using open source AI to create child sexual abuse content, says watchdog”

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/sep/12/paedophiles-using-open-source-ai-to-create-child-sexual-abuse-content-says-watchdog?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

    Clearly if they are taking real images of real people and manipulating them, that should be illegal. Predatory and invasive

    But what if they are creating images ex nihilo? Of children that “do not exist”? Which are just pixels conjured by Dalle-3 or whatever?

    I can see arguments both ways. On the bad side, this is material which may deprave and corrupt, on the other side, it seems insane to prosecute people for digital imaginings, and it is arguable that this might slake the perverse thirst of men who would otherwise commit real crimes against real people

    Did the 'Tony The Tiger' case pass you by?

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/dad-wrongly-probed-tiger-porn-4521506

    On the substantive point - it's only a matter of time until someone trains an 'AI' model/robot to 'be' a child that wants to be abused. Like a horrific version of the cow which wants to be eaten in Restaurant At The End Of The Universe. Then where are we at?
    There are countless dizzying applications of AI which will transform the world - in good bad and totally effing scary ways
    Only dizzying to you because you drank the coolaid and believe its ai when it really isnt
    You don’t have to believe it is actually AGI to understand that it is certain to change the world
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 39,252
    Leon said:

    AI software that translates words you speak, and ALSO changes your lip shape to make it look like you’re speaking Foreign

    It is NOT live yet, but it can only be a few months before they do this in real time? Then that is not just Babel Fish, but actually far ahead of Babel Fish. Feckin ell

    https://x.com/0xgaut/status/1701624127755337901?s=61&t=GGp3Vs1t1kTWDiyA-odnZg

    Yes it's amazing. And I heard they are not far off releasing a contraption whereby you have one and your friend has one and you punch some numbers into it and then you can speak to your friend even though they are in another town and can't actually hear you without the contraption.

    It's bonkers. The end of people speaking to each other in the same room.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 8,123
    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    ohnotnow said:

    Leon said:

    Should this be a crime?


    “Paedophiles using open source AI to create child sexual abuse content, says watchdog”

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/sep/12/paedophiles-using-open-source-ai-to-create-child-sexual-abuse-content-says-watchdog?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

    Clearly if they are taking real images of real people and manipulating them, that should be illegal. Predatory and invasive

    But what if they are creating images ex nihilo? Of children that “do not exist”? Which are just pixels conjured by Dalle-3 or whatever?

    I can see arguments both ways. On the bad side, this is material which may deprave and corrupt, on the other side, it seems insane to prosecute people for digital imaginings, and it is arguable that this might slake the perverse thirst of men who would otherwise commit real crimes against real people

    Did the 'Tony The Tiger' case pass you by?

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/dad-wrongly-probed-tiger-porn-4521506

    On the substantive point - it's only a matter of time until someone trains an 'AI' model/robot to 'be' a child that wants to be abused. Like a horrific version of the cow which wants to be eaten in Restaurant At The End Of The Universe. Then where are we at?
    There are countless dizzying applications of AI which will transform the world - in good bad and totally effing scary ways
    Only dizzying to you because you drank the coolaid and believe its ai when it really isnt
    You don’t have to believe it is actually AGI to understand that it is certain to change the world
    It is clever but its not intelligent or sentient
  • See Macquire is on and is being openly mocked

    He should not be anywhere near playing for England or indeed Manchester United

    Ha, he just scored an own goal! 2-1!
  • What did I say about Maguire
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 6,389
    ohnotnow said:

    Leon said:

    Should this be a crime?


    “Paedophiles using open source AI to create child sexual abuse content, says watchdog”

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/sep/12/paedophiles-using-open-source-ai-to-create-child-sexual-abuse-content-says-watchdog?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

    Clearly if they are taking real images of real people and manipulating them, that should be illegal. Predatory and invasive

    But what if they are creating images ex nihilo? Of children that “do not exist”? Which are just pixels conjured by Dalle-3 or whatever?

    I can see arguments both ways. On the bad side, this is material which may deprave and corrupt, on the other side, it seems insane to prosecute people for digital imaginings, and it is arguable that this might slake the perverse thirst of men who would otherwise commit real crimes against real people

    Did the 'Tony The Tiger' case pass you by?

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/dad-wrongly-probed-tiger-porn-4521506

    On the substantive point - it's only a matter of time until someone trains an 'AI' model/robot to 'be' a child that wants to be abused. Like a horrific version of the cow which wants to be eaten in Restaurant At The End Of The Universe. Then where are we at?
    'Probed'? :open_mouth:

    That sounds like an eye for an eye style of punishment.

    The URL is even more disturbing: 'dad wrongly probed tiger - porn'
  • LeonLeon Posts: 38,046
    edited September 12
    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    AI software that translates words you speak, and ALSO changes your lip shape to make it look like you’re speaking Foreign

    It is NOT live yet, but it can only be a few months before they do this in real time? Then that is not just Babel Fish, but actually far ahead of Babel Fish. Feckin ell

    https://x.com/0xgaut/status/1701624127755337901?s=61&t=GGp3Vs1t1kTWDiyA-odnZg

    Yes it's amazing. And I heard they are not far off releasing a contraption whereby you have one and your friend has one and you punch some numbers into it and then you can speak to your friend even though they are in another town and can't actually hear you without the contraption.

    It's bonkers. The end of people speaking to each other in the same room.
    isn’t that just a phone? What am I missing?

    EDIT: Ah, well done
  • LeonLeon Posts: 38,046
    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    ohnotnow said:

    Leon said:

    Should this be a crime?


    “Paedophiles using open source AI to create child sexual abuse content, says watchdog”

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/sep/12/paedophiles-using-open-source-ai-to-create-child-sexual-abuse-content-says-watchdog?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

    Clearly if they are taking real images of real people and manipulating them, that should be illegal. Predatory and invasive

    But what if they are creating images ex nihilo? Of children that “do not exist”? Which are just pixels conjured by Dalle-3 or whatever?

    I can see arguments both ways. On the bad side, this is material which may deprave and corrupt, on the other side, it seems insane to prosecute people for digital imaginings, and it is arguable that this might slake the perverse thirst of men who would otherwise commit real crimes against real people

    Did the 'Tony The Tiger' case pass you by?

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/dad-wrongly-probed-tiger-porn-4521506

    On the substantive point - it's only a matter of time until someone trains an 'AI' model/robot to 'be' a child that wants to be abused. Like a horrific version of the cow which wants to be eaten in Restaurant At The End Of The Universe. Then where are we at?
    There are countless dizzying applications of AI which will transform the world - in good bad and totally effing scary ways
    Only dizzying to you because you drank the coolaid and believe its ai when it really isnt
    You don’t have to believe it is actually AGI to understand that it is certain to change the world
    It is clever but its not intelligent or sentient
    That’s not the argument here

    The point is: HolyFuck, the world is on the edge of an epochal tech revolution, at least comparable to the Industrial Revolution, some would say more like the advent of fire or agriculture
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 6,389

    What did I say about Maguire

    Dunno, but you were criticising come guy called Macquire ealier :wink:
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 3,157
    ohnotnow said:

    Have Apple actually cut some of their prices for the new iPhones?

    Yes, certainly for UK users of the Pro Max.
    They must think their clientele are hard up.
    We are.
    @TSE was reduced to selling three houses he keeps part of his shoe collection in.

    Have you no soul? No compassion?
    One of my friends has a 'shoe room'. About the size of my sitting room. She has quite the collection.
    Oh! I’d always assumed @TSE was male!
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 20,813
    Strange BT experience - they persuaded by to switch to EE (as they're phasing out their own mobile service, as far as I can make out), so they sent me a new router (works fine) and a new SIM card. I can now get and receive WhatsApp messages, but not phone calls on the mobile, or even normal texts - which means that none of the two-factor security things depending on getting a code to my phone work. Should I just wait patiently for a couple of days, or throw myself on the mercy of the BT helpline (which took 45 minutes to answer when I last used it)?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 48,896
    Cookie said:

    So Sky have named their new politics show 'PoliticsHub'.

    I'm not sure I'd be into that.
    These Trump supporting women certainly would be into that.


    My goodness. Are they his daughters?
    The one in the centre might be his mother....
  • Selebian said:

    What did I say about Maguire

    Dunno, but you were criticising come guy called Macquire ealier :wink:
    Indeed my Scottish connection upset my spelling !!
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 39,252
    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    AI software that translates words you speak, and ALSO changes your lip shape to make it look like you’re speaking Foreign

    It is NOT live yet, but it can only be a few months before they do this in real time? Then that is not just Babel Fish, but actually far ahead of Babel Fish. Feckin ell

    https://x.com/0xgaut/status/1701624127755337901?s=61&t=GGp3Vs1t1kTWDiyA-odnZg

    Yes it's amazing. And I heard they are not far off releasing a contraption whereby you have one and your friend has one and you punch some numbers into it and then you can speak to your friend even though they are in another town and can't actually hear you without the contraption.

    It's bonkers. The end of people speaking to each other in the same room.
    isn’t that just a phone? What am I missing?

    EDIT: Ah, well done
    I think there will be amazing advances in everything including AI. I don't happen to think that people will be as transfixed by, for example, watching Titanic with all AI characters because imo a key ingredient in film and all the arts is the human input even if they're pretending to be someone else but there's no doubt that AI will transform our lives.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 31,229

    Should I just wait patiently for a couple of days, or throw myself on the mercy of the BT helpline (which took 45 minutes to answer when I last used it)?

    There is I think another completely separate EE helpline, which may be no better...
  • Kane! 3-1!
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 48,896

    Kane! 3-1!

    All the glory should go to Bellingham though.
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