What do you think of Rishi's Tweet? As I recall you were outraged by Labour's wicked slur on Rishi. I agreed with you, it was unfortunate gutter politics.
I was surprised, and putting both tweets into context, this is looking very much like the gloves are off as the fight for the next GE commences with 15 months to go
Maybe we need to accept that Uxbridge could well be a seminal point in the battle for votes, and certainly it has opened a new front on the costs and practicality of net zero, not so much for 2050 but definitely for 2030
So it's OK if Rishi does it.
Is rowing back on the green agenda whilst the Greek Islands burn perfect timing?
Everyone is looking at Greece, but it seems as if an absolute catastrophe is unfolding in Sicily.
Yes and we have been to Sicily several times and experienced high temperatures on each occasion
What do you think of Rishi's Tweet? As I recall you were outraged by Labour's wicked slur on Rishi. I agreed with you, it was unfortunate gutter politics.
I was surprised, and putting both tweets into context, this is looking very much like the gloves are off as the fight for the next GE commences with 15 months to go
Maybe we need to accept that Uxbridge could well be a seminal point in the battle for votes, and certainly it has opened a new front on the costs and practicality of net zero, not so much for 2050 but definitely for 2030
So it's OK if Rishi does it.
Is rowing back on the green agenda whilst the Greek Islands burn perfect timing?
Depends on how much voters are going to have to pay and neither Sunak or Starmer have excelled themselves recently in their tweets
What do you think of Rishi's Tweet? As I recall you were outraged by Labour's wicked slur on Rishi. I agreed with you, it was unfortunate gutter politics.
I was surprised, and putting both tweets into context, this is looking very much like the gloves are off as the fight for the next GE commences with 15 months to go
Maybe we need to accept that Uxbridge could well be a seminal point in the battle for votes, and certainly it has opened a new front on the costs and practicality of net zero, not so much for 2050 but definitely for 2030
So it's OK if Rishi does it.
Is rowing back on the green agenda whilst the Greek Islands burn perfect timing?
Everyone is looking at Greece, but it seems as if an absolute catastrophe is unfolding in Sicily.
How very Athenian
{Nicias has entered the chat, and tripped over himself}
What do you think of Rishi's Tweet? As I recall you were outraged by Labour's wicked slur on Rishi. I agreed with you, it was unfortunate gutter politics.
I was surprised, and putting both tweets into context, this is looking very much like the gloves are off as the fight for the next GE commences with 15 months to go
Maybe we need to accept that Uxbridge could well be a seminal point in the battle for votes, and certainly it has opened a new front on the costs and practicality of net zero, not so much for 2050 but definitely for 2030
So it's OK if Rishi does it.
Is rowing back on the green agenda whilst the Greek Islands burn perfect timing?
Everyone is looking at Greece, but it seems as if an absolute catastrophe is unfolding in Sicily.
Yes and we have been to Sicily several times and experienced high temperatures on each occasion
And now...
Colin McCarthy @US_Stormwatch An extraordinary marine heatwave has developed off the east coast of Canada, with hundreds of thousands of square miles of ocean experiencing sea surface temperatures more than 5°C (9°F) above normal and max anomalies approaching 10°C (18°F) above normal.
What do you think of Rishi's Tweet? As I recall you were outraged by Labour's wicked slur on Rishi. I agreed with you, it was unfortunate gutter politics.
I was surprised, and putting both tweets into context, this is looking very much like the gloves are off as the fight for the next GE commences with 15 months to go
Maybe we need to accept that Uxbridge could well be a seminal point in the battle for votes, and certainly it has opened a new front on the costs and practicality of net zero, not so much for 2050 but definitely for 2030
I'm sorry Big_G but you are sadly deluded if you think net zero is going to sway many votes. Four polls conducted since Uxbridge have shown no movement; ULEZ was a local issue not a seminal moment.
The Tories are doomed, and rightly so.
Notably there were big votes for the Greens in both of the other by elections, despite a tactical squeeze. 10.2% in Somerton and Frome, 5.2% in Selby, even 2.9% in Uxbridge.
Not exactly hippie central in either place. A Lab campaign has a lot of Green vote to squeeze if Starmer goes strong on Green issues.
You don't think it might be the Inflation Election??
Not as much as the cost of going green on the ordinary voter
I am not sure over the course of the next 18 months this is as big an issue as you suggest. Maybe more has been read from Uxbridge than was necessary.
That said after Uxbridge I am expecting much, much closer polls for the next couple of months. You are right Rishi played a blinder on Thursday and the hapless Starmer lost big, but does this issue have legs?
Sunak played a blinder and only lost 2 out of 3 safe seats.
Somerton and Frome and Selby and Ainsty results have been lost in the smog of Uxbridge.
BigG has forgotten however that ULEZ is a specifically health related, rather than a green issue. If Labour and the Mayor in particular could get their messaging out of the blocks it wouldn't take much to suggest that Sunak is defending the asphyxiation of babies and children through automotive pollution for political gain.
What do you think of Rishi's Tweet? As I recall you were outraged by Labour's wicked slur on Rishi. I agreed with you, it was unfortunate gutter politics.
I was surprised, and putting both tweets into context, this is looking very much like the gloves are off as the fight for the next GE commences with 15 months to go
Maybe we need to accept that Uxbridge could well be a seminal point in the battle for votes, and certainly it has opened a new front on the costs and practicality of net zero, not so much for 2050 but definitely for 2030
So it's OK if Rishi does it.
Is rowing back on the green agenda whilst the Greek Islands burn perfect timing?
Everyone is looking at Greece, but it seems as if an absolute catastrophe is unfolding in Sicily.
Yes and we have been to Sicily several times and experienced high temperatures on each occasion
The most ironic thing is British Tourists seeking safety in Albania...
What do you think of Rishi's Tweet? As I recall you were outraged by Labour's wicked slur on Rishi. I agreed with you, it was unfortunate gutter politics.
I was surprised, and putting both tweets into context, this is looking very much like the gloves are off as the fight for the next GE commences with 15 months to go
Maybe we need to accept that Uxbridge could well be a seminal point in the battle for votes, and certainly it has opened a new front on the costs and practicality of net zero, not so much for 2050 but definitely for 2030
So it's OK if Rishi does it.
Is rowing back on the green agenda whilst the Greek Islands burn perfect timing?
Everyone is looking at Greece, but it seems as if an absolute catastrophe is unfolding in Sicily.
Yes and we have been to Sicily several times and experienced high temperatures on each occasion
The whole island is burning. Catania has been without electricity and water for 48 hours, apparently, as the cables regulating supply have all melted. It looks horrific. One of Dante's circles of hell.
What do you think of Rishi's Tweet? As I recall you were outraged by Labour's wicked slur on Rishi. I agreed with you, it was unfortunate gutter politics.
I was surprised, and putting both tweets into context, this is looking very much like the gloves are off as the fight for the next GE commences with 15 months to go
Maybe we need to accept that Uxbridge could well be a seminal point in the battle for votes, and certainly it has opened a new front on the costs and practicality of net zero, not so much for 2050 but definitely for 2030
So it's OK if Rishi does it.
Is rowing back on the green agenda whilst the Greek Islands burn perfect timing?
Depends on how much voters are going to have to pay and neither Sunak or Starmer have excelled themselves recently in their tweets
You don't think it might be the Inflation Election??
Not as much as the cost of going green on the ordinary voter
I am not sure over the course of the next 18 months this is as big an issue as you suggest. Maybe more has been read from Uxbridge than was necessary.
That said after Uxbridge I am expecting much, much closer polls for the next couple of months. You are right Rishi played a blinder on Thursday and the hapless Starmer lost big, but does this issue have legs?
Sunak played a blinder and only lost 2 out of 3 safe seats.
Somerton and Frome and Selby and Ainsty results have been lost in the smog of Uxbridge.
BigG has forgotten however that ULEZ is a specifically health related, rather than a green issue. If Labour and the Mayor in particular could get their messaging out of the blocks it wouldn't take much to suggest that Sunak is defending the asphyxiation of babies and children through automotive pollution for political gain.
Why then is Starmer demanding change in the policy from Khan
And of course ULEZ is a health issue but it has given the conservatives the opportunity to raise the speed and cost of climate change measures which is now being openly discussed
You don't think it might be the Inflation Election??
Not as much as the cost of going green on the ordinary voter
I am not sure over the course of the next 18 months this is as big an issue as you suggest. Maybe more has been read from Uxbridge than was necessary.
That said after Uxbridge I am expecting much, much closer polls for the next couple of months. You are right Rishi played a blinder on Thursday and the hapless Starmer lost big, but does this issue have legs?
Sunak played a blinder and only lost 2 out of 3 safe seats.
Somerton and Frome and Selby and Ainsty results have been lost in the smog of Uxbridge.
BigG has forgotten however that ULEZ is a specifically health related, rather than a green issue. If Labour and the Mayor in particular could get their messaging out of the blocks it wouldn't take much to suggest that Sunak is defending the asphyxiation of babies and children through automotive pollution for political gain.
Lab made a mess of this. Why didn't they announce a car scrappage scheme would be brought in under their government for the polluting vehicles?
What do you think of Rishi's Tweet? As I recall you were outraged by Labour's wicked slur on Rishi. I agreed with you, it was unfortunate gutter politics.
I was surprised, and putting both tweets into context, this is looking very much like the gloves are off as the fight for the next GE commences with 15 months to go
Maybe we need to accept that Uxbridge could well be a seminal point in the battle for votes, and certainly it has opened a new front on the costs and practicality of net zero, not so much for 2050 but definitely for 2030
So it's OK if Rishi does it.
Is rowing back on the green agenda whilst the Greek Islands burn perfect timing?
Everyone is looking at Greece, but it seems as if an absolute catastrophe is unfolding in Sicily.
Yes and we have been to Sicily several times and experienced high temperatures on each occasion
So have I but I don't recall Palermo Airport being on fire.
What do you think of Rishi's Tweet? As I recall you were outraged by Labour's wicked slur on Rishi. I agreed with you, it was unfortunate gutter politics.
I was surprised, and putting both tweets into context, this is looking very much like the gloves are off as the fight for the next GE commences with 15 months to go
Maybe we need to accept that Uxbridge could well be a seminal point in the battle for votes, and certainly it has opened a new front on the costs and practicality of net zero, not so much for 2050 but definitely for 2030
I'm sorry Big_G but you are sadly deluded if you think net zero is going to sway many votes. Four polls conducted since Uxbridge have shown no movement; ULEZ was a local issue not a seminal moment.
The Tories are doomed, and rightly so.
Notably there were big votes for the Greens in both of the other by elections, despite a tactical squeeze. 10.2% in Somerton and Frome, 5.2% in Selby, even 2.9% in Uxbridge.
Not exactly hippie central in either place. A Lab campaign has a lot of Green vote to squeeze if Starmer goes strong on Green issues.
Sunak has an Aussie team for electoral strategy. Anti-Green, anti-woke was trialled there. It cratered. Not sure if the authors are pig headed or genuine believers that the more they bang on about it, the more everyone will eventually see their point of view? A daily reflection that I might actually be wrong is helpful.
Ironically, climate change denier Julia Hartley Brewer is currently on holiday in Sicily. No Tweets from her today but she posted this yesterday: https://twitter.com/JuliaHB1/status/1683406448968056834 Hopefully, she's OK
What do you think of Rishi's Tweet? As I recall you were outraged by Labour's wicked slur on Rishi. I agreed with you, it was unfortunate gutter politics.
I was surprised, and putting both tweets into context, this is looking very much like the gloves are off as the fight for the next GE commences with 15 months to go
Maybe we need to accept that Uxbridge could well be a seminal point in the battle for votes, and certainly it has opened a new front on the costs and practicality of net zero, not so much for 2050 but definitely for 2030
I'm sorry Big_G but you are sadly deluded if you think net zero is going to sway many votes. Four polls conducted since Uxbridge have shown no movement; ULEZ was a local issue not a seminal moment.
The Tories are doomed, and rightly so.
Notably there were big votes for the Greens in both of the other by elections, despite a tactical squeeze. 10.2% in Somerton and Frome, 5.2% in Selby, even 2.9% in Uxbridge.
Not exactly hippie central in either place. A Lab campaign has a lot of Green vote to squeeze if Starmer goes strong on Green issues.
Yes. Absolutely.
If Starmer allows forces within Lab to walk him back too far then Green voters who might lend their vote to finally get rid of this terrible and useless government will stick with the environmentalists.
What do you think of Rishi's Tweet? As I recall you were outraged by Labour's wicked slur on Rishi. I agreed with you, it was unfortunate gutter politics.
I was surprised, and putting both tweets into context, this is looking very much like the gloves are off as the fight for the next GE commences with 15 months to go
Maybe we need to accept that Uxbridge could well be a seminal point in the battle for votes, and certainly it has opened a new front on the costs and practicality of net zero, not so much for 2050 but definitely for 2030
So it's OK if Rishi does it.
Is rowing back on the green agenda whilst the Greek Islands burn perfect timing?
Everyone is looking at Greece, but it seems as if an absolute catastrophe is unfolding in Sicily.
Yes and we have been to Sicily several times and experienced high temperatures on each occasion
And now...
Colin McCarthy @US_Stormwatch An extraordinary marine heatwave has developed off the east coast of Canada, with hundreds of thousands of square miles of ocean experiencing sea surface temperatures more than 5°C (9°F) above normal and max anomalies approaching 10°C (18°F) above normal.
What do you think of Rishi's Tweet? As I recall you were outraged by Labour's wicked slur on Rishi. I agreed with you, it was unfortunate gutter politics.
I was surprised, and putting both tweets into context, this is looking very much like the gloves are off as the fight for the next GE commences with 15 months to go
Maybe we need to accept that Uxbridge could well be a seminal point in the battle for votes, and certainly it has opened a new front on the costs and practicality of net zero, not so much for 2050 but definitely for 2030
So it's OK if Rishi does it.
Is rowing back on the green agenda whilst the Greek Islands burn perfect timing?
Everyone is looking at Greece, but it seems as if an absolute catastrophe is unfolding in Sicily.
Yes and we have been to Sicily several times and experienced high temperatures on each occasion
So have I but I don't recall Palermo Airport being on fire.
Well quite. Of course Sicily is hot, it's virtually part of the Sahara, but my only complaint about palermo airport is that there is no petrol station on the way there from palermo to top up your hire car.
You don't think it might be the Inflation Election??
Not as much as the cost of going green on the ordinary voter
I am not sure over the course of the next 18 months this is as big an issue as you suggest. Maybe more has been read from Uxbridge than was necessary.
That said after Uxbridge I am expecting much, much closer polls for the next couple of months. You are right Rishi played a blinder on Thursday and the hapless Starmer lost big, but does this issue have legs?
Sunak played a blinder and only lost 2 out of 3 safe seats.
Somerton and Frome and Selby and Ainsty results have been lost in the smog of Uxbridge.
BigG has forgotten however that ULEZ is a specifically health related, rather than a green issue. If Labour and the Mayor in particular could get their messaging out of the blocks it wouldn't take much to suggest that Sunak is defending the asphyxiation of babies and children through automotive pollution for political gain.
Why then is Starmer demanding change in the policy from Khan
And of course ULEZ is a health issue but it has given the conservatives the opportunity to raise the speed and cost of climate change measures which is now being openly discussed
It's a Tory policy. Trotskyism in action. Permanent revolution against the traitors in the Party.
What do you think of Rishi's Tweet? As I recall you were outraged by Labour's wicked slur on Rishi. I agreed with you, it was unfortunate gutter politics.
I was surprised, and putting both tweets into context, this is looking very much like the gloves are off as the fight for the next GE commences with 15 months to go
Maybe we need to accept that Uxbridge could well be a seminal point in the battle for votes, and certainly it has opened a new front on the costs and practicality of net zero, not so much for 2050 but definitely for 2030
So it's OK if Rishi does it.
Is rowing back on the green agenda whilst the Greek Islands burn perfect timing?
Depends on how much voters are going to have to pay and neither Sunak or Starmer have excelled themselves recently in their tweets
You don't think it might be the Inflation Election??
Not as much as the cost of going green on the ordinary voter
I am not sure over the course of the next 18 months this is as big an issue as you suggest. Maybe more has been read from Uxbridge than was necessary.
That said after Uxbridge I am expecting much, much closer polls for the next couple of months. You are right Rishi played a blinder on Thursday and the hapless Starmer lost big, but does this issue have legs?
Sunak played a blinder and only lost 2 out of 3 safe seats.
Somerton and Frome and Selby and Ainsty results have been lost in the smog of Uxbridge.
BigG has forgotten however that ULEZ is a specifically health related, rather than a green issue. If Labour and the Mayor in particular could get their messaging out of the blocks it wouldn't take much to suggest that Sunak is defending the asphyxiation of babies and children through automotive pollution for political gain.
Why then is Starmer demanding change in the policy from Khan
And of course ULEZ is a health issue but it has given the conservatives the opportunity to raise the speed and cost of climate change measures which is now being openly discussed
It's actually more about generating revenue for TfL.
Ironically, climate change denier Julia Hartley Brewer is currently on holiday in Sicily. No Tweets from her today but she posted this yesterday: https://twitter.com/JuliaHB1/status/1683406448968056834 Hopefully, she's OK
I'm not sure I will be able to sleep until I have had confirmation of that.
What do you think of Rishi's Tweet? As I recall you were outraged by Labour's wicked slur on Rishi. I agreed with you, it was unfortunate gutter politics.
I was surprised, and putting both tweets into context, this is looking very much like the gloves are off as the fight for the next GE commences with 15 months to go
Maybe we need to accept that Uxbridge could well be a seminal point in the battle for votes, and certainly it has opened a new front on the costs and practicality of net zero, not so much for 2050 but definitely for 2030
So it's OK if Rishi does it.
Is rowing back on the green agenda whilst the Greek Islands burn perfect timing?
Everyone is looking at Greece, but it seems as if an absolute catastrophe is unfolding in Sicily.
Yes and we have been to Sicily several times and experienced high temperatures on each occasion
So have I but I don't recall Palermo Airport being on fire.
Well quite. Of course Sicily is hot, it's virtually part of the Sahara, but my only complaint about palermo airport is that there is no petrol station on the way there from palermo to top up your hire car.
What do you think of Rishi's Tweet? As I recall you were outraged by Labour's wicked slur on Rishi. I agreed with you, it was unfortunate gutter politics.
I was surprised, and putting both tweets into context, this is looking very much like the gloves are off as the fight for the next GE commences with 15 months to go
Maybe we need to accept that Uxbridge could well be a seminal point in the battle for votes, and certainly it has opened a new front on the costs and practicality of net zero, not so much for 2050 but definitely for 2030
So it's OK if Rishi does it.
Is rowing back on the green agenda whilst the Greek Islands burn perfect timing?
Depends on how much voters are going to have to pay and neither Sunak or Starmer have excelled themselves recently in their tweets
You don't think it might be the Inflation Election??
Not as much as the cost of going green on the ordinary voter
I am not sure over the course of the next 18 months this is as big an issue as you suggest. Maybe more has been read from Uxbridge than was necessary.
That said after Uxbridge I am expecting much, much closer polls for the next couple of months. You are right Rishi played a blinder on Thursday and the hapless Starmer lost big, but does this issue have legs?
Sunak played a blinder and only lost 2 out of 3 safe seats.
Somerton and Frome and Selby and Ainsty results have been lost in the smog of Uxbridge.
BigG has forgotten however that ULEZ is a specifically health related, rather than a green issue. If Labour and the Mayor in particular could get their messaging out of the blocks it wouldn't take much to suggest that Sunak is defending the asphyxiation of babies and children through automotive pollution for political gain.
Why then is Starmer demanding change in the policy from Khan
And of course ULEZ is a health issue but it has given the conservatives the opportunity to raise the speed and cost of climate change measures which is now being openly discussed
It's a Tory policy. Trotskyism in action. Permanent revolution against the traitors in the Party.
It was brought in for Central London and that is absolutely correct
The error Khan made was to mandate it for outer London without proper discussion and panicking Starmer into demanding a change
Of course Uxbridge will have a large workforce at Heathrow and to suggest that even some should pay £12.50 a day to go to work it was terrible politics
You don't think it might be the Inflation Election??
Not as much as the cost of going green on the ordinary voter
I am not sure over the course of the next 18 months this is as big an issue as you suggest. Maybe more has been read from Uxbridge than was necessary.
That said after Uxbridge I am expecting much, much closer polls for the next couple of months. You are right Rishi played a blinder on Thursday and the hapless Starmer lost big, but does this issue have legs?
Sunak played a blinder and only lost 2 out of 3 safe seats.
Somerton and Frome and Selby and Ainsty results have been lost in the smog of Uxbridge.
BigG has forgotten however that ULEZ is a specifically health related, rather than a green issue. If Labour and the Mayor in particular could get their messaging out of the blocks it wouldn't take much to suggest that Sunak is defending the asphyxiation of babies and children through automotive pollution for political gain.
Why then is Starmer demanding change in the policy from Khan
And of course ULEZ is a health issue but it has given the conservatives the opportunity to raise the speed and cost of climate change measures which is now being openly discussed
It's a Tory policy. Trotskyism in action. Permanent revolution against the traitors in the Party.
It was brought in for Central London and that is absolutely correct
The error Khan made was to mandate it for outer London without proper discussion and panicking Starmer into demanding a change
Of course Uxbridge will have a large workforce at Heathrow and to suggest that even some should pay £12.50 a day to go to work it was terrible politics
I though its implementation was demanded by Shapps to bail out TFL.
“The Manatee Bay Buoy in the Upper Keys recorded a 101.1 water surface temperature at 6 p.m. Monday, which – pending no data anomalies – would set a new world record. stpetecatalyst.com/local-scientis… via @stpetecatalyst”
You don't think it might be the Inflation Election??
Not as much as the cost of going green on the ordinary voter
I am not sure over the course of the next 18 months this is as big an issue as you suggest. Maybe more has been read from Uxbridge than was necessary.
That said after Uxbridge I am expecting much, much closer polls for the next couple of months. You are right Rishi played a blinder on Thursday and the hapless Starmer lost big, but does this issue have legs?
Sunak played a blinder and only lost 2 out of 3 safe seats.
Somerton and Frome and Selby and Ainsty results have been lost in the smog of Uxbridge.
BigG has forgotten however that ULEZ is a specifically health related, rather than a green issue. If Labour and the Mayor in particular could get their messaging out of the blocks it wouldn't take much to suggest that Sunak is defending the asphyxiation of babies and children through automotive pollution for political gain.
Why then is Starmer demanding change in the policy from Khan
He has no actual principles and doesn't know how to fight or win an argument. So whenever a policy faces opposition he drops it.
What do you think of Rishi's Tweet? As I recall you were outraged by Labour's wicked slur on Rishi. I agreed with you, it was unfortunate gutter politics.
I was surprised, and putting both tweets into context, this is looking very much like the gloves are off as the fight for the next GE commences with 15 months to go
Maybe we need to accept that Uxbridge could well be a seminal point in the battle for votes, and certainly it has opened a new front on the costs and practicality of net zero, not so much for 2050 but definitely for 2030
So it's OK if Rishi does it.
Is rowing back on the green agenda whilst the Greek Islands burn perfect timing?
Everyone is looking at Greece, but it seems as if an absolute catastrophe is unfolding in Sicily.
Yes and we have been to Sicily several times and experienced high temperatures on each occasion
So have I but I don't recall Palermo Airport being on fire.
Well quite. Of course Sicily is hot, it's virtually part of the Sahara, but my only complaint about palermo airport is that there is no petrol station on the way there from palermo to top up your hire car.
The worst is Phoenix Sky Harbor airport, where the Shell near the rental car return charges almost twice the going rate for petrol.
What do you think of Rishi's Tweet? As I recall you were outraged by Labour's wicked slur on Rishi. I agreed with you, it was unfortunate gutter politics.
I was surprised, and putting both tweets into context, this is looking very much like the gloves are off as the fight for the next GE commences with 15 months to go
Maybe we need to accept that Uxbridge could well be a seminal point in the battle for votes, and certainly it has opened a new front on the costs and practicality of net zero, not so much for 2050 but definitely for 2030
So it's OK if Rishi does it.
Is rowing back on the green agenda whilst the Greek Islands burn perfect timing?
Depends on how much voters are going to have to pay and neither Sunak or Starmer have excelled themselves recently in their tweets
I don't recall they were attributed directly to Starmer in the way Rishi has put his name to this last slur
They were posted by Labour with Starmer approval
Do you know that? You do know Rishi approved today's Tweet because he put his name to it.
Leader's can reasonably be taken to task for official communications of the party even without personally putting their name to it. It is not exactly plausible deniability at that point, especially when they are not retracted or disavowed, indeed they were followed up on with more such communications.
In that sense Rishi putting his name on it is a difference of degree only. But 'they were mean first' is no defence, especially since there will be something Labour could also point to prior to their communications.
You don't think it might be the Inflation Election??
Not as much as the cost of going green on the ordinary voter
I am not sure over the course of the next 18 months this is as big an issue as you suggest. Maybe more has been read from Uxbridge than was necessary.
That said after Uxbridge I am expecting much, much closer polls for the next couple of months. You are right Rishi played a blinder on Thursday and the hapless Starmer lost big, but does this issue have legs?
Sunak played a blinder and only lost 2 out of 3 safe seats.
Somerton and Frome and Selby and Ainsty results have been lost in the smog of Uxbridge.
BigG has forgotten however that ULEZ is a specifically health related, rather than a green issue. If Labour and the Mayor in particular could get their messaging out of the blocks it wouldn't take much to suggest that Sunak is defending the asphyxiation of babies and children through automotive pollution for political gain.
Why then is Starmer demanding change in the policy from Khan
And of course ULEZ is a health issue but it has given the conservatives the opportunity to raise the speed and cost of climate change measures which is now being openly discussed
It's a Tory policy. Trotskyism in action. Permanent revolution against the traitors in the Party.
It was brought in for Central London and that is absolutely correct
The error Khan made was to mandate it for outer London without proper discussion and panicking Starmer into demanding a change
Of course Uxbridge will have a large workforce at Heathrow and to suggest that even some should pay £12.50 a day to go to work it was terrible politics
Khan did not make a mistake. He arranged for the ULEZ expansion to come into force way before the mayoral election so that it would not be a big problem when the vote took place as the vast majority of the electorate would realise they were not affected. Obviously, the by-election did not suit that timetable but it is not something that Khan could have predicted. It turns out to have taken place at the time of maximum opportunity for the Tories to make it into an issue. But it will now produce diminishing returns. It seems that both the Tories and Labour have not fully understood this.
You don't think it might be the Inflation Election??
Not as much as the cost of going green on the ordinary voter
I am not sure over the course of the next 18 months this is as big an issue as you suggest. Maybe more has been read from Uxbridge than was necessary.
That said after Uxbridge I am expecting much, much closer polls for the next couple of months. You are right Rishi played a blinder on Thursday and the hapless Starmer lost big, but does this issue have legs?
Sunak played a blinder and only lost 2 out of 3 safe seats.
Somerton and Frome and Selby and Ainsty results have been lost in the smog of Uxbridge.
BigG has forgotten however that ULEZ is a specifically health related, rather than a green issue. If Labour and the Mayor in particular could get their messaging out of the blocks it wouldn't take much to suggest that Sunak is defending the asphyxiation of babies and children through automotive pollution for political gain.
Why then is Starmer demanding change in the policy from Khan
And of course ULEZ is a health issue but it has given the conservatives the opportunity to raise the speed and cost of climate change measures which is now being openly discussed
It's a Tory policy. Trotskyism in action. Permanent revolution against the traitors in the Party.
It was brought in for Central London and that is absolutely correct
The error Khan made was to mandate it for outer London without proper discussion and panicking Starmer into demanding a change
Of course Uxbridge will have a large workforce at Heathrow and to suggest that even some should pay £12.50 a day to go to work it was terrible politics
Khan did not make a mistake. He arranged for the ULEZ expansion to come into force way before the mayoral election so that it would not be a big problem when the vote took place as the vast majority of the electorate would realise they were not affected. Obviously, the by-election did not suit that timetable but it is not something that Khan could have predicted. It turns out to have taken place at the time of maximum opportunity for the Tories to make it into an issue. But it will now produce diminishing returns. It seems that both the Tories and Labour have not fully understood this.
As an outsider to me it looks like one of those issues which, sure, will cause some level of stink at implementation, but not anything particularly long lasting once the challenges are concluded. It just doesn't look like it would have legs, once people are used to it.
“The Manatee Bay Buoy in the Upper Keys recorded a 101.1 water surface temperature at 6 p.m. Monday, which – pending no data anomalies – would set a new world record. stpetecatalyst.com/local-scientis… via @stpetecatalyst”
Has the House of Commons voted on approving the new constituency boundaries, or is that still to come?
They do not vote on it at all. The government has to prepare an Order for Privy Council consideration. Realistically it's hard to see how they could avoid that (they must prepare the Order by law, not getting the King to sign it seems impractical to say the least). https://boundarycommissionforengland.independent.gov.uk/2023-review/
A smart and sensible decision by Boris's government to simplify the process and prevent the electoral equivalent of nimbyism from wasting everyone's time.
The BBC are making international news again, this time by asking crass questions of the Moroccan women’s football captain about whether there are any lesbians in the team.
Yet Sunak and BigG are turning their backs. Crisis, What Crisis?
I am not turning my back
Climate change is happening but actions to mitigate it have to be proportionate and affordable to the citizens of the UK
Either we spend money now or we spend much more later, to less effect. The Tories are repeating the same old mistakes of doing too little, too late. They would still have children down the mines if they hadn't been dragged into the modern world.
The BBC are making international news again, this time by asking crass questions of the Moroccan women’s football captain about whether there are any lesbians in the team.
“The Manatee Bay Buoy in the Upper Keys recorded a 101.1 water surface temperature at 6 p.m. Monday, which – pending no data anomalies – would set a new world record. stpetecatalyst.com/local-scientis… via @stpetecatalyst”
“The Manatee Bay Buoy in the Upper Keys recorded a 101.1 water surface temperature at 6 p.m. Monday, which – pending no data anomalies – would set a new world record. stpetecatalyst.com/local-scientis… via @stpetecatalyst”
You don't think it might be the Inflation Election??
Not as much as the cost of going green on the ordinary voter
I am not sure over the course of the next 18 months this is as big an issue as you suggest. Maybe more has been read from Uxbridge than was necessary.
That said after Uxbridge I am expecting much, much closer polls for the next couple of months. You are right Rishi played a blinder on Thursday and the hapless Starmer lost big, but does this issue have legs?
Sunak played a blinder and only lost 2 out of 3 safe seats.
Somerton and Frome and Selby and Ainsty results have been lost in the smog of Uxbridge.
BigG has forgotten however that ULEZ is a specifically health related, rather than a green issue. If Labour and the Mayor in particular could get their messaging out of the blocks it wouldn't take much to suggest that Sunak is defending the asphyxiation of babies and children through automotive pollution for political gain.
Why then is Starmer demanding change in the policy from Khan
And of course ULEZ is a health issue but it has given the conservatives the opportunity to raise the speed and cost of climate change measures which is now being openly discussed
It's a Tory policy. Trotskyism in action. Permanent revolution against the traitors in the Party.
It was brought in for Central London and that is absolutely correct
The error Khan made was to mandate it for outer London without proper discussion and panicking Starmer into demanding a change
Of course Uxbridge will have a large workforce at Heathrow and to suggest that even some should pay £12.50 a day to go to work it was terrible politics
Khan did not make a mistake. He arranged for the ULEZ expansion to come into force way before the mayoral election so that it would not be a big problem when the vote took place as the vast majority of the electorate would realise they were not affected. Obviously, the by-election did not suit that timetable but it is not something that Khan could have predicted. It turns out to have taken place at the time of maximum opportunity for the Tories to make it into an issue. But it will now produce diminishing returns. It seems that both the Tories and Labour have not fully understood this.
As an outsider to me it looks like one of those issues which, sure, will cause some level of stink at implementation, but not anything particularly long lasting once the challenges are concluded. It just doesn't look like it would have legs, once people are used to it.
Yep, the by-election came at precisely the right time for the Tories which made it absolutely the wrong time for Labour. But Labour fought an awful, defensive campaign that basically allowed the Tories to frame the entire narrative. It was a very poor effort. It was also ridiculous to allow it to become the weekend story. Hopefully a few lessons have ben learned. But I have my doubts.
The BBC are making international news again, this time by asking crass questions of the Moroccan women’s football captain about whether there are any lesbians in the team.
Yet Sunak and BigG are turning their backs. Crisis, What Crisis?
I am not turning my back
Climate change is happening but actions to mitigate it have to be proportionate and affordable to the citizens of the UK
Either we spend money now or we spend much more later, to less effect. The Tories are repeating the same old mistakes of doing too little, too late. They would still have children down the mines if they hadn't been dragged into the modern world.
I am not sure if you are aware but there is no money to borrow, indeed Starmer recognises this and has dropped his 28 billion annual green spend from his offer to the UK
None of this is easy and certainly I support all reasonable steps to move to net zero but not at any cost
Yet Sunak and BigG are turning their backs. Crisis, What Crisis?
I am not turning my back
Climate change is happening but actions to mitigate it have to be proportionate and affordable to the citizens of the UK
Either we spend money now or we spend much more later, to less effect. The Tories are repeating the same old mistakes of doing too little, too late. They would still have children down the mines if they hadn't been dragged into the modern world.
They inflicted Boris Johnson on us knowing who he was because they saw short term gains from it. They are now peddling back on climate change mitigation, despite knowing how vital it is, because they see short term gains. I doubt they can fool enough people a second time, though.
You don't think it might be the Inflation Election??
Not as much as the cost of going green on the ordinary voter
I am not sure over the course of the next 18 months this is as big an issue as you suggest. Maybe more has been read from Uxbridge than was necessary.
That said after Uxbridge I am expecting much, much closer polls for the next couple of months. You are right Rishi played a blinder on Thursday and the hapless Starmer lost big, but does this issue have legs?
Sunak played a blinder and only lost 2 out of 3 safe seats.
Somerton and Frome and Selby and Ainsty results have been lost in the smog of Uxbridge.
BigG has forgotten however that ULEZ is a specifically health related, rather than a green issue. If Labour and the Mayor in particular could get their messaging out of the blocks it wouldn't take much to suggest that Sunak is defending the asphyxiation of babies and children through automotive pollution for political gain.
Why then is Starmer demanding change in the policy from Khan
And of course ULEZ is a health issue but it has given the conservatives the opportunity to raise the speed and cost of climate change measures which is now being openly discussed
It's a Tory policy. Trotskyism in action. Permanent revolution against the traitors in the Party.
It was brought in for Central London and that is absolutely correct
The error Khan made was to mandate it for outer London without proper discussion and panicking Starmer into demanding a change
Of course Uxbridge will have a large workforce at Heathrow and to suggest that even some should pay £12.50 a day to go to work it was terrible politics
Khan did not make a mistake. He arranged for the ULEZ expansion to come into force way before the mayoral election so that it would not be a big problem when the vote took place as the vast majority of the electorate would realise they were not affected. Obviously, the by-election did not suit that timetable but it is not something that Khan could have predicted. It turns out to have taken place at the time of maximum opportunity for the Tories to make it into an issue. But it will now produce diminishing returns. It seems that both the Tories and Labour have not fully understood this.
As an outsider to me it looks like one of those issues which, sure, will cause some level of stink at implementation, but not anything particularly long lasting once the challenges are concluded. It just doesn't look like it would have legs, once people are used to it.
Once it's happened, once more people have gone to the trouble and genuine expense of changing their vehicle, it's hard to see what the attraction will be in going back.
Mostly I'm fine with Sadiq as an effective Mayor of the "you know local government is effective when you don't notice it" subspecies. But this is an issue where he- or someone- does need to be loud'n'proud about the point of the plan and the help available.
“The Manatee Bay Buoy in the Upper Keys recorded a 101.1 water surface temperature at 6 p.m. Monday, which – pending no data anomalies – would set a new world record. stpetecatalyst.com/local-scientis… via @stpetecatalyst”
Yet Sunak and BigG are turning their backs. Crisis, What Crisis?
I am not turning my back
Climate change is happening but actions to mitigate it have to be proportionate and affordable to the citizens of the UK
Unsarcastically, what does "proportionate" mean in this context?
Banning all new North Sea oil licences is not proportionate as is the idea of making it more difficult to sell homes by imposing draconian rules on heating systems
You don't think it might be the Inflation Election??
Not as much as the cost of going green on the ordinary voter
I am not sure over the course of the next 18 months this is as big an issue as you suggest. Maybe more has been read from Uxbridge than was necessary.
That said after Uxbridge I am expecting much, much closer polls for the next couple of months. You are right Rishi played a blinder on Thursday and the hapless Starmer lost big, but does this issue have legs?
Sunak played a blinder and only lost 2 out of 3 safe seats.
Somerton and Frome and Selby and Ainsty results have been lost in the smog of Uxbridge.
BigG has forgotten however that ULEZ is a specifically health related, rather than a green issue. If Labour and the Mayor in particular could get their messaging out of the blocks it wouldn't take much to suggest that Sunak is defending the asphyxiation of babies and children through automotive pollution for political gain.
Why then is Starmer demanding change in the policy from Khan
And of course ULEZ is a health issue but it has given the conservatives the opportunity to raise the speed and cost of climate change measures which is now being openly discussed
It's a Tory policy. Trotskyism in action. Permanent revolution against the traitors in the Party.
It was brought in for Central London and that is absolutely correct
The error Khan made was to mandate it for outer London without proper discussion and panicking Starmer into demanding a change
Of course Uxbridge will have a large workforce at Heathrow and to suggest that even some should pay £12.50 a day to go to work it was terrible politics
Khan did not make a mistake. He arranged for the ULEZ expansion to come into force way before the mayoral election so that it would not be a big problem when the vote took place as the vast majority of the electorate would realise they were not affected. Obviously, the by-election did not suit that timetable but it is not something that Khan could have predicted. It turns out to have taken place at the time of maximum opportunity for the Tories to make it into an issue. But it will now produce diminishing returns. It seems that both the Tories and Labour have not fully understood this.
As an outsider to me it looks like one of those issues which, sure, will cause some level of stink at implementation, but not anything particularly long lasting once the challenges are concluded. It just doesn't look like it would have legs, once people are used to it.
Yep, the by-election came at precisely the right time for the Tories which made it absolutely the wrong time for Labour. But Labour fought an awful, defensive campaign that basically allowed the Tories to frame the entire narrative. It was a very poor effort. It was also ridiculous to allow it to become the weekend story. Hopefully a few lessons have ben learned. But I have my doubts.
I think Labour drew the wrong message from their feeble campaign in Uxbridge. 893 Green votes could have got them over the line. Instead the Green vote went up.
Labour needs to campaign with a positive message, like clean air, mitigated by a scrappage scheme for old diesels.
The BBC are making international news again, this time by asking crass questions of the Moroccan women’s football captain about whether there are any lesbians in the team.
Has the House of Commons voted on approving the new constituency boundaries, or is that still to come?
They do not vote on it at all. The government has to prepare an Order for Privy Council consideration. Realistically it's hard to see how they could avoid that (they must prepare the Order by law, not getting the King to sign it seems impractical to say the least). https://boundarycommissionforengland.independent.gov.uk/2023-review/
A smart and sensible decision by Boris's government to simplify the process and prevent the electoral equivalent of nimbyism from wasting everyone's time.
Revealed: The board of NatWest Group is meeting now to determine the future of Dame Alison Rose, its CEO, after she admitted disclosing inappropriate information to a BBC journalist. It’s expected that she will step down although no final decision has been taken. More soon.
You don't think it might be the Inflation Election??
Not as much as the cost of going green on the ordinary voter
I am not sure over the course of the next 18 months this is as big an issue as you suggest. Maybe more has been read from Uxbridge than was necessary.
That said after Uxbridge I am expecting much, much closer polls for the next couple of months. You are right Rishi played a blinder on Thursday and the hapless Starmer lost big, but does this issue have legs?
Sunak played a blinder and only lost 2 out of 3 safe seats.
Somerton and Frome and Selby and Ainsty results have been lost in the smog of Uxbridge.
BigG has forgotten however that ULEZ is a specifically health related, rather than a green issue. If Labour and the Mayor in particular could get their messaging out of the blocks it wouldn't take much to suggest that Sunak is defending the asphyxiation of babies and children through automotive pollution for political gain.
Why then is Starmer demanding change in the policy from Khan
And of course ULEZ is a health issue but it has given the conservatives the opportunity to raise the speed and cost of climate change measures which is now being openly discussed
It's a Tory policy. Trotskyism in action. Permanent revolution against the traitors in the Party.
It was brought in for Central London and that is absolutely correct
The error Khan made was to mandate it for outer London without proper discussion and panicking Starmer into demanding a change
Of course Uxbridge will have a large workforce at Heathrow and to suggest that even some should pay £12.50 a day to go to work it was terrible politics
Khan did not make a mistake. He arranged for the ULEZ expansion to come into force way before the mayoral election so that it would not be a big problem when the vote took place as the vast majority of the electorate would realise they were not affected. Obviously, the by-election did not suit that timetable but it is not something that Khan could have predicted. It turns out to have taken place at the time of maximum opportunity for the Tories to make it into an issue. But it will now produce diminishing returns. It seems that both the Tories and Labour have not fully understood this.
As an outsider to me it looks like one of those issues which, sure, will cause some level of stink at implementation, but not anything particularly long lasting once the challenges are concluded. It just doesn't look like it would have legs, once people are used to it.
Yep, the by-election came at precisely the right time for the Tories which made it absolutely the wrong time for Labour. But Labour fought an awful, defensive campaign that basically allowed the Tories to frame the entire narrative. It was a very poor effort. It was also ridiculous to allow it to become the weekend story. Hopefully a few lessons have ben learned. But I have my doubts.
I think Labour drew the wrong message from their feeble campaign in Uxbridge. 893 Green votes could have got them over the line. Instead the Green vote went up.
Labour needs to campaign with a positive message, like clean air, mitigated by a scrappage scheme for old diesels.
If there is one lesson I'd like Labour to learn from Pedro Sanchez in Spain (there are many but let's restrict it to one), it is to campaign without fear. Don't allow the right to dictate the narrative, stand up for what you believe in, defend it to the hilt. But Labour is so damaged by past experience it just cannot think straight on this.
Revealed: The board of NatWest Group is meeting now to determine the future of Dame Alison Rose, its CEO, after she admitted disclosing inappropriate information to a BBC journalist. It’s expected that she will step down although no final decision has been taken. More soon.
I don't see how any bank boss can possibly survive discussing a client's confidential details with a journalist - or anyone else for that matter. I don't blame the journalist, of course you are going to report what a CEO told you, but the Dame Alison? She has not got a leg to stand on. Or am I missing something here?
The BBC are making international news again, this time by asking crass questions of the Moroccan women’s football captain about whether there are any lesbians in the team.
Absurd: surely they should be asking if there any heterosexuals on the team.
Homosexuality is a jailable offence in Morocco. if she had outed herself or her teammates, they would be imprisoned. We have become very blasé about gay rights and a lot of the support is performative or virtue signalling. When such insouciance collides with virulently homophobic countries, where outing somebody would put them in danger of socially sanctioned violence or state punishment, it can cause real harm. The reporter should have his arse smacked.
I don't know if this is accurate, but something the opposition could play with: If David Cameron hadn't "cut the green crap" from 2013 onwards, then over the past year…
💷UK energy bills would have been £9.8bn lower 🚢UK net gas imports would have been 23% lower ❤️🔥UK gas demand overall would have been 9% lower
Revealed: The board of NatWest Group is meeting now to determine the future of Dame Alison Rose, its CEO, after she admitted disclosing inappropriate information to a BBC journalist. It’s expected that she will step down although no final decision has been taken. More soon.
I don't see how any bank boss can possibly survive discussing a client's confidential details with a journalist - or anyone else for that matter. I don't blame the journalist, of course you are going to report what a CEO told you, but the Dame Alison? She has not got a leg to stand on. Or am I missing something here?
In banking, the first rule of talking to journalists is don’t. The chances you will advance your career are tiny. The chances you end your career are excellent.
Foxy - It's my impression, judging from what I see in the US that the difference is real, that there are more bisexuals in women's sports here, than in men's sports. (I don't know of any studies of the subject -- which would be tricky to conduct.)
Revealed: The board of NatWest Group is meeting now to determine the future of Dame Alison Rose, its CEO, after she admitted disclosing inappropriate information to a BBC journalist. It’s expected that she will step down although no final decision has been taken. More soon.
I don't see how any bank boss can possibly survive discussing a client's confidential details with a journalist - or anyone else for that matter. I don't blame the journalist, of course you are going to report what a CEO told you, but the Dame Alison? She has not got a leg to stand on. Or am I missing something here?
No, you’re not. She Ratner’d the Coutts brand. It may not ever recover. It’s a modest but not insignificant percentage of the entire bank that is NatWest
She has to go, and Coutts needs to rethink whether it can be a private bank or a pioneer of Woke capitalism that refuses right wing clients. It cannot be both
Revealed: The board of NatWest Group is meeting now to determine the future of Dame Alison Rose, its CEO, after she admitted disclosing inappropriate information to a BBC journalist. It’s expected that she will step down although no final decision has been taken. More soon.
Foxy - It's my impression, judging from what I see in the US that the difference is real, that there are more bisexuals in women's sports here, than in men's sports. (I don't know of any studies of the subject -- which would be tricky to conduct.)
I think it is a genuine phenomenon, but also a lot of blokes in the closet.
The problem is that "delay net zero" just means don't do anything.
And we're paying the price for it each time we delay it.
Delaying is over, it is time to do something about it so we don't have this conversation in 10 years time again. The UK is literally one of the best countries on Earth for renewable energy potential.
Revealed: The board of NatWest Group is meeting now to determine the future of Dame Alison Rose, its CEO, after she admitted disclosing inappropriate information to a BBC journalist. It’s expected that she will step down although no final decision has been taken. More soon.
Revealed: The board of NatWest Group is meeting now to determine the future of Dame Alison Rose, its CEO, after she admitted disclosing inappropriate information to a BBC journalist. It’s expected that she will step down although no final decision has been taken. More soon.
I don't see how any bank boss can possibly survive discussing a client's confidential details with a journalist - or anyone else for that matter. I don't blame the journalist, of course you are going to report what a CEO told you, but the Dame Alison? She has not got a leg to stand on. Or am I missing something here?
No, you’re not. She Ratner’d the Coutts brand. It may not ever recover. It’s a modest but not insignificant percentage of the entire bank that is NatWest
She has to go, and Coutts needs to rethink whether it can be a private bank or a pioneer of Woke capitalism that refuses right wing clients. It cannot be both
It has nothing to do with the moral duty to be a private banker to a man who says African immigrants bring AIDS, and everything to do with talking about a client to a journalist.
Revealed: The board of NatWest Group is meeting now to determine the future of Dame Alison Rose, its CEO, after she admitted disclosing inappropriate information to a BBC journalist. It’s expected that she will step down although no final decision has been taken. More soon.
Can Farage spin this moment of renewed relevance into a political revival? Does he even want to? What's his motive in all this?
No, and no, is my guess
But a hefty win in a libel court and a pleasing victory over the Woke Remoaners: Yes
Not sure of the basis for Libel. The report suggested members of the public perceived him as a liar and a racist and a grifter. It didn't claim he was.
Yet Sunak and BigG are turning their backs. Crisis, What Crisis?
I am not turning my back
Climate change is happening but actions to mitigate it have to be proportionate and affordable to the citizens of the UK
Unsarcastically, what does "proportionate" mean in this context?
Banning all new North Sea oil licences is not proportionate as is the idea of making it more difficult to sell homes by imposing draconian rules on heating systems
Ah I see. I would have used the words "applicable", "useful" and/or "plausible" instead of "proportionate". But I understand now, thank you.
Revealed: The board of NatWest Group is meeting now to determine the future of Dame Alison Rose, its CEO, after she admitted disclosing inappropriate information to a BBC journalist. It’s expected that she will step down although no final decision has been taken. More soon.
I don't see how any bank boss can possibly survive discussing a client's confidential details with a journalist - or anyone else for that matter. I don't blame the journalist, of course you are going to report what a CEO told you, but the Dame Alison? She has not got a leg to stand on. Or am I missing something here?
No, you’re not. She Ratner’d the Coutts brand. It may not ever recover. It’s a modest but not insignificant percentage of the entire bank that is NatWest
She has to go, and Coutts needs to rethink whether it can be a private bank or a pioneer of Woke capitalism that refuses right wing clients. It cannot be both
It has nothing to do with the moral duty to be a private banker to a man who says African immigrants bring AIDS, and everything to do with talking about a client to a journalist.
Idiot. The whole point of private banks is discretion. You overtly don’t care about your clients’ political views and you certainly don’t trawl their social media accounts for retweets of Ricky Gervais maybe being ‘transphobic’
Revealed: The board of NatWest Group is meeting now to determine the future of Dame Alison Rose, its CEO, after she admitted disclosing inappropriate information to a BBC journalist. It’s expected that she will step down although no final decision has been taken. More soon.
Can Farage spin this moment of renewed relevance into a political revival? Does he even want to? What's his motive in all this?
No, and no, is my guess
But a hefty win in a libel court and a pleasing victory over the Woke Remoaners: Yes
Not sure of the basis for Libel. The report suggested members of the public perceived him as a liar and a racist and a grifter. It didn't claim he was.
Defamation, is better, as I amended my comment
But I agree he may not risk it. He has other ways of gaining revenge, now
Foxy - It's my impression, judging from what I see in the US that the difference is real, that there are more bisexuals in women's sports here, than in men's sports. (I don't know of any studies of the subject -- which would be tricky to conduct.)
I think it is a genuine phenomenon, but also a lot of blokes in the closet.
It's somewhat difficult to say statistically how many might be gay, both because the figures on that probably have a wide range of estimates, and because by their very nature as elite athletes professional footballers are not 'average' in every respect statistically, but it seems very unlikely there are not quite a lot. It seems remarkable there are not prominent current players who are known.
The problem is that "delay net zero" just means don't do anything.
And we're paying the price for it each time we delay it.
Delaying is over, it is time to do something about it so we don't have this conversation in 10 years time again. The UK is literally one of the best countries on Earth for renewable energy potential.
There are some activists who argue to 'do something' and in essence argue to immediately do everything, which is neither realistic nor necessarily the best option for all they argue for. But they are outnumbered by people who do the 'not now' thing which in effect probably means never, since the same arguments for delay would probably apply later.
I suppose the key is not to promise the earth, if one can use the expression, but to genuinely be ready to seize on opportunities as they emerge and take action, not just talk about maybe one day doing it.
Revealed: The board of NatWest Group is meeting now to determine the future of Dame Alison Rose, its CEO, after she admitted disclosing inappropriate information to a BBC journalist. It’s expected that she will step down although no final decision has been taken. More soon.
I don't see how any bank boss can possibly survive discussing a client's confidential details with a journalist - or anyone else for that matter. I don't blame the journalist, of course you are going to report what a CEO told you, but the Dame Alison? She has not got a leg to stand on. Or am I missing something here?
No, you’re not. She Ratner’d the Coutts brand. It may not ever recover. It’s a modest but not insignificant percentage of the entire bank that is NatWest
She has to go, and Coutts needs to rethink whether it can be a private bank or a pioneer of Woke capitalism that refuses right wing clients. It cannot be both
It has nothing to do with the moral duty to be a private banker to a man who says African immigrants bring AIDS, and everything to do with talking about a client to a journalist.
Idiot. The whole point of private banks is discretion. You overtly don’t care about your clients’ political views and you certainly don’t trawl their social media accounts for retweets of Ricky Gervais maybe being ‘transphobic’
It’s absurd. Coutts is probably finished
Incredible as it may seem to you, even Farage is merely a "hired help" level agitator to the typical client of a private bank, putting a pound shop Taki like you several rungs below.
Revealed: The board of NatWest Group is meeting now to determine the future of Dame Alison Rose, its CEO, after she admitted disclosing inappropriate information to a BBC journalist. It’s expected that she will step down although no final decision has been taken. More soon.
Revealed: The board of NatWest Group is meeting now to determine the future of Dame Alison Rose, its CEO, after she admitted disclosing inappropriate information to a BBC journalist. It’s expected that she will step down although no final decision has been taken. More soon.
Can Farage spin this moment of renewed relevance into a political revival? Does he even want to? What's his motive in all this?
No, and no, is my guess
But a hefty win in a libel court and a pleasing victory over the Woke Remoaners: Yes
Not sure of the basis for Libel. The report suggested members of the public perceived him as a liar and a racist and a grifter. It didn't claim he was.
It wouldn’t a libel court.
Disclosing client information to a journalist is a no no. Giving an inaccurate version to the journalist means that she is deeply stupid.
It is quite possible that she didn’t know the actual situation. Even disclosing such client information *internally* has serious checks, in most banks. Contrary to the movies, she couldn’t just login and dig through Farage’s balance. It is quite possible that she gave an internal rumour/third hand information to the journalist.
Which makes her stupid * stupid.
And she lost a game of Truth with Nigel Fucking Farage. Which makes her stupid * stupid * stupid, I suppose
The problem is that "delay net zero" just means don't do anything.
And we're paying the price for it each time we delay it.
Delaying is over, it is time to do something about it so we don't have this conversation in 10 years time again. The UK is literally one of the best countries on Earth for renewable energy potential.
Nobody is suggesting delaying net zero by 2050
However it is reasonable to question why the UK is banning the sale of ICE vehicles by 2030 when the EU is continuing until 2035
Furthermore measures have to be affordable not only to the population but also the government and in a clear recognition of this Starmer has abandoned his 28 billion a year green commitment
It is not all or nothing, it is making progress across all fronts at a pace that is realistic
Revealed: The board of NatWest Group is meeting now to determine the future of Dame Alison Rose, its CEO, after she admitted disclosing inappropriate information to a BBC journalist. It’s expected that she will step down although no final decision has been taken. More soon.
I don't see how any bank boss can possibly survive discussing a client's confidential details with a journalist - or anyone else for that matter. I don't blame the journalist, of course you are going to report what a CEO told you, but the Dame Alison? She has not got a leg to stand on. Or am I missing something here?
In banking, the first rule of talking to journalists is don’t. The chances you will advance your career are tiny. The chances you end your career are excellent.
Revealed: The board of NatWest Group is meeting now to determine the future of Dame Alison Rose, its CEO, after she admitted disclosing inappropriate information to a BBC journalist. It’s expected that she will step down although no final decision has been taken. More soon.
I don't see how any bank boss can possibly survive discussing a client's confidential details with a journalist - or anyone else for that matter. I don't blame the journalist, of course you are going to report what a CEO told you, but the Dame Alison? She has not got a leg to stand on. Or am I missing something here?
No, you’re not. She Ratner’d the Coutts brand. It may not ever recover. It’s a modest but not insignificant percentage of the entire bank that is NatWest
She has to go, and Coutts needs to rethink whether it can be a private bank or a pioneer of Woke capitalism that refuses right wing clients. It cannot be both
Coutts is genuinely shit. And has been for a long time.
If you want a proper private UK bank, there is Hoare's. And that is about it. (RBS used to have Adam & Co, but they closed it down, and transferred its clients - like me - to Coutts. Bastards.)
Revealed: The board of NatWest Group is meeting now to determine the future of Dame Alison Rose, its CEO, after she admitted disclosing inappropriate information to a BBC journalist. It’s expected that she will step down although no final decision has been taken. More soon.
I don't see how any bank boss can possibly survive discussing a client's confidential details with a journalist - or anyone else for that matter. I don't blame the journalist, of course you are going to report what a CEO told you, but the Dame Alison? She has not got a leg to stand on. Or am I missing something here?
No, you’re not. She Ratner’d the Coutts brand. It may not ever recover. It’s a modest but not insignificant percentage of the entire bank that is NatWest
She has to go, and Coutts needs to rethink whether it can be a private bank or a pioneer of Woke capitalism that refuses right wing clients. It cannot be both
Coutts is genuinely shit. And has been for a long time.
If you want a proper private UK bank, there is Hoare's. And that is about it. (RBS used to have Adam & Co, but they closed it down, and transferred its clients - like me - to Coutts. Bastards.)
I remember Coutt’s being a bit wanky back in the 90s. Arrivistes used it
Revealed: The board of NatWest Group is meeting now to determine the future of Dame Alison Rose, its CEO, after she admitted disclosing inappropriate information to a BBC journalist. It’s expected that she will step down although no final decision has been taken. More soon.
I don't see how any bank boss can possibly survive discussing a client's confidential details with a journalist - or anyone else for that matter. I don't blame the journalist, of course you are going to report what a CEO told you, but the Dame Alison? She has not got a leg to stand on. Or am I missing something here?
No, you’re not. She Ratner’d the Coutts brand. It may not ever recover. It’s a modest but not insignificant percentage of the entire bank that is NatWest
She has to go, and Coutts needs to rethink whether it can be a private bank or a pioneer of Woke capitalism that refuses right wing clients. It cannot be both
Coutts is genuinely shit. And has been for a long time.
If you want a proper private UK bank, there is Hoare's. And that is about it. (RBS used to have Adam & Co, but they closed it down, and transferred its clients - like me - to Coutts. Bastards.)
What about Rothschilds?
I know one bank that, as a result of a few dissatisfied customers/employees lost so much of their private banking business, that they had to close the U.K. private banking business as no longer viable.
Revealed: The board of NatWest Group is meeting now to determine the future of Dame Alison Rose, its CEO, after she admitted disclosing inappropriate information to a BBC journalist. It’s expected that she will step down although no final decision has been taken. More soon.
I don't see how any bank boss can possibly survive discussing a client's confidential details with a journalist - or anyone else for that matter. I don't blame the journalist, of course you are going to report what a CEO told you, but the Dame Alison? She has not got a leg to stand on. Or am I missing something here?
No, you’re not. She Ratner’d the Coutts brand. It may not ever recover. It’s a modest but not insignificant percentage of the entire bank that is NatWest
She has to go, and Coutts needs to rethink whether it can be a private bank or a pioneer of Woke capitalism that refuses right wing clients. It cannot be both
Coutts is genuinely shit. And has been for a long time.
If you want a proper private UK bank, there is Hoare's. And that is about it. (RBS used to have Adam & Co, but they closed it down, and transferred its clients - like me - to Coutts. Bastards.)
Hoare's of course connected to Charles, late of this Parish
Revealed: The board of NatWest Group is meeting now to determine the future of Dame Alison Rose, its CEO, after she admitted disclosing inappropriate information to a BBC journalist. It’s expected that she will step down although no final decision has been taken. More soon.
I don't see how any bank boss can possibly survive discussing a client's confidential details with a journalist - or anyone else for that matter. I don't blame the journalist, of course you are going to report what a CEO told you, but the Dame Alison? She has not got a leg to stand on. Or am I missing something here?
No, you’re not. She Ratner’d the Coutts brand. It may not ever recover. It’s a modest but not insignificant percentage of the entire bank that is NatWest
She has to go, and Coutts needs to rethink whether it can be a private bank or a pioneer of Woke capitalism that refuses right wing clients. It cannot be both
Coutts is genuinely shit. And has been for a long time.
If you want a proper private UK bank, there is Hoare's. And that is about it. (RBS used to have Adam & Co, but they closed it down, and transferred its clients - like me - to Coutts. Bastards.)
I remember Coutt’s being a bit wanky back in the 90s. Arrivistes used it
That was when NatWest were trying the Amex style thing of flogging a premium brand to the masses. 30k salary was the eligibility requirement.
Revealed: The board of NatWest Group is meeting now to determine the future of Dame Alison Rose, its CEO, after she admitted disclosing inappropriate information to a BBC journalist. It’s expected that she will step down although no final decision has been taken. More soon.
I don't see how any bank boss can possibly survive discussing a client's confidential details with a journalist - or anyone else for that matter. I don't blame the journalist, of course you are going to report what a CEO told you, but the Dame Alison? She has not got a leg to stand on. Or am I missing something here?
No, you’re not. She Ratner’d the Coutts brand. It may not ever recover. It’s a modest but not insignificant percentage of the entire bank that is NatWest
She has to go, and Coutts needs to rethink whether it can be a private bank or a pioneer of Woke capitalism that refuses right wing clients. It cannot be both
Coutts is genuinely shit. And has been for a long time.
If you want a proper private UK bank, there is Hoare's. And that is about it. (RBS used to have Adam & Co, but they closed it down, and transferred its clients - like me - to Coutts. Bastards.)
What about Rothschilds?
I know one bank that, as a result of a few dissatisfied customers/employees lost so much of their private banking business, that they had to close the U.K. private banking business as no longer viable.
I didn't know they offered private banking services.
As I am now US tax resident, I can't change UK banks as no one will have me. Sniff.
You don't think it might be the Inflation Election??
Not as much as the cost of going green on the ordinary voter
I am not sure over the course of the next 18 months this is as big an issue as you suggest. Maybe more has been read from Uxbridge than was necessary.
That said after Uxbridge I am expecting much, much closer polls for the next couple of months. You are right Rishi played a blinder on Thursday and the hapless Starmer lost big, but does this issue have legs?
Sunak played a blinder and only lost 2 out of 3 safe seats.
Somerton and Frome and Selby and Ainsty results have been lost in the smog of Uxbridge.
BigG has forgotten however that ULEZ is a specifically health related, rather than a green issue. If Labour and the Mayor in particular could get their messaging out of the blocks it wouldn't take much to suggest that Sunak is defending the asphyxiation of babies and children through automotive pollution for political gain.
Why then is Starmer demanding change in the policy from Khan
And of course ULEZ is a health issue but it has given the conservatives the opportunity to raise the speed and cost of climate change measures which is now being openly discussed
It's a Tory policy. Trotskyism in action. Permanent revolution against the traitors in the Party.
It was brought in for Central London and that is absolutely correct
The error Khan made was to mandate it for outer London without proper discussion and panicking Starmer into demanding a change
Of course Uxbridge will have a large workforce at Heathrow and to suggest that even some should pay £12.50 a day to go to work it was terrible politics
Khan did not make a mistake. He arranged for the ULEZ expansion to come into force way before the mayoral election so that it would not be a big problem when the vote took place as the vast majority of the electorate would realise they were not affected. Obviously, the by-election did not suit that timetable but it is not something that Khan could have predicted. It turns out to have taken place at the time of maximum opportunity for the Tories to make it into an issue. But it will now produce diminishing returns. It seems that both the Tories and Labour have not fully understood this.
As an outsider to me it looks like one of those issues which, sure, will cause some level of stink at implementation, but not anything particularly long lasting once the challenges are concluded. It just doesn't look like it would have legs, once people are used to it.
Yep, the by-election came at precisely the right time for the Tories which made it absolutely the wrong time for Labour. But Labour fought an awful, defensive campaign that basically allowed the Tories to frame the entire narrative. It was a very poor effort. It was also ridiculous to allow it to become the weekend story. Hopefully a few lessons have ben learned. But I have my doubts.
I think Labour drew the wrong message from their feeble campaign in Uxbridge. 893 Green votes could have got them over the line. Instead the Green vote went up.
Labour needs to campaign with a positive message, like clean air, mitigated by a scrappage scheme for old diesels.
If there is one lesson I'd like Labour to learn from Pedro Sanchez in Spain (there are many but let's restrict it to one), it is to campaign without fear. Don't allow the right to dictate the narrative, stand up for what you believe in, defend it to the hilt. But Labour is so damaged by past experience it just cannot think straight on this.
Except Sanchez still lost, even if he did better than expected.
You don't think it might be the Inflation Election??
Not as much as the cost of going green on the ordinary voter
I am not sure over the course of the next 18 months this is as big an issue as you suggest. Maybe more has been read from Uxbridge than was necessary.
That said after Uxbridge I am expecting much, much closer polls for the next couple of months. You are right Rishi played a blinder on Thursday and the hapless Starmer lost big, but does this issue have legs?
Sunak played a blinder and only lost 2 out of 3 safe seats.
Somerton and Frome and Selby and Ainsty results have been lost in the smog of Uxbridge.
BigG has forgotten however that ULEZ is a specifically health related, rather than a green issue. If Labour and the Mayor in particular could get their messaging out of the blocks it wouldn't take much to suggest that Sunak is defending the asphyxiation of babies and children through automotive pollution for political gain.
Why then is Starmer demanding change in the policy from Khan
And of course ULEZ is a health issue but it has given the conservatives the opportunity to raise the speed and cost of climate change measures which is now being openly discussed
It's a Tory policy. Trotskyism in action. Permanent revolution against the traitors in the Party.
It was brought in for Central London and that is absolutely correct
The error Khan made was to mandate it for outer London without proper discussion and panicking Starmer into demanding a change
Of course Uxbridge will have a large workforce at Heathrow and to suggest that even some should pay £12.50 a day to go to work it was terrible politics
Khan did not make a mistake. He arranged for the ULEZ expansion to come into force way before the mayoral election so that it would not be a big problem when the vote took place as the vast majority of the electorate would realise they were not affected. Obviously, the by-election did not suit that timetable but it is not something that Khan could have predicted. It turns out to have taken place at the time of maximum opportunity for the Tories to make it into an issue. But it will now produce diminishing returns. It seems that both the Tories and Labour have not fully understood this.
As an outsider to me it looks like one of those issues which, sure, will cause some level of stink at implementation, but not anything particularly long lasting once the challenges are concluded. It just doesn't look like it would have legs, once people are used to it.
Yep, the by-election came at precisely the right time for the Tories which made it absolutely the wrong time for Labour. But Labour fought an awful, defensive campaign that basically allowed the Tories to frame the entire narrative. It was a very poor effort. It was also ridiculous to allow it to become the weekend story. Hopefully a few lessons have ben learned. But I have my doubts.
I think Labour drew the wrong message from their feeble campaign in Uxbridge. 893 Green votes could have got them over the line. Instead the Green vote went up.
Labour needs to campaign with a positive message, like clean air, mitigated by a scrappage scheme for old diesels.
If there is one lesson I'd like Labour to learn from Pedro Sanchez in Spain (there are many but let's restrict it to one), it is to campaign without fear. Don't allow the right to dictate the narrative, stand up for what you believe in, defend it to the hilt. But Labour is so damaged by past experience it just cannot think straight on this.
Except Sanchez still lost, even if he did better than expected.
The PP won most seats not his PSOE
I expect PP to take power in Spain after a second election later this year, with Vox going even lower.
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Colin McCarthy
@US_Stormwatch
An extraordinary marine heatwave has developed off the east coast of Canada, with hundreds of thousands of square miles of ocean experiencing sea surface temperatures more than 5°C (9°F) above normal and max anomalies approaching 10°C (18°F) above normal.
https://twitter.com/US_Stormwatch/status/1683890913293246464
Not exactly hippie central in either place. A Lab campaign has a lot of Green vote to squeeze if Starmer goes strong on Green issues.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJYaow6dlO4
BigG has forgotten however that ULEZ is a specifically health related, rather than a green issue. If Labour and the Mayor in particular could get their messaging out of the blocks it wouldn't take much to suggest that Sunak is defending the asphyxiation of babies and children through automotive pollution for political gain.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/jul/25/premier-league-russia-football-tottenham-davinson-sanchez
How is this not sanctions busting?
NB. No indication Sanchez wants to go.
https://metro.co.uk/2023/07/24/tourist-watched-from-balcony-in-albania-as-corfu-burst-into-flames-19182790/
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/07/25/world/gulf-stream-atlantic-current-collapse-climate-scn-intl/index.html
And of course ULEZ is a health issue but it has given the conservatives the opportunity to raise the speed and cost of climate change measures which is now being openly discussed
Not sure if the authors are pig headed or genuine believers that the more they bang on about it, the more everyone will eventually see their point of view?
A daily reflection that I might actually be wrong is helpful.
https://twitter.com/JuliaHB1/status/1683406448968056834
Hopefully, she's OK
If Starmer allows forces within Lab to walk him back too far then Green voters who might lend their vote to finally get rid of this terrible and useless government will stick with the environmentalists.
Trotskyism in action.
Permanent revolution against the traitors in the Party.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/apr/09/keri-starmer-defends-insensitive-labour-advert-on-child-sexual-assaults?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
The error Khan made was to mandate it for outer London without proper discussion and panicking Starmer into demanding a change
Of course Uxbridge will have a large workforce at Heathrow and to suggest that even some should pay £12.50 a day to go to work it was terrible politics
“The Manatee Bay Buoy in the Upper Keys recorded a 101.1 water surface temperature at 6 p.m. Monday, which – pending no data anomalies – would set a new world record.
stpetecatalyst.com/local-scientis… via @stpetecatalyst”
https://twitter.com/marks__musings/status/1683942555900076034?s=61&t=GGp3Vs1t1kTWDiyA-odnZg
That’s literally like a hot bath
https://news.sky.com/story/weather-latest-uk-corfu-rhodes-fires-wildfires-heatwave-holiday-updates-12920226?postid=6213474#liveblog-body
Yet Sunak and BigG are turning their backs. Crisis, What Crisis?
Climate change is happening but actions to mitigate it have to be proportionate and affordable to the citizens of the UK
In that sense Rishi putting his name on it is a difference of degree only. But 'they were mean first' is no defence, especially since there will be something Labour could also point to prior to their communications.
I reckon our only hope is AI or aliens. I’m entirely serious
https://boundarycommissionforengland.independent.gov.uk/2023-review/
A smart and sensible decision by Boris's government to simplify the process and prevent the electoral equivalent of nimbyism from wasting everyone's time.
https://twitter.com/dlf_sport/status/1683384872910430209
You will all have to live up in the Rockies, which are quite dull
Meanwhile Western Europe will turn into Alaska as the Gulf Stream fails
Let’s all move to the Caucasus
None of this is easy and certainly I support all reasonable steps to move to net zero but not at any cost
Try living THERE.
Perspective, everyone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTQyjl8hEos
Mostly I'm fine with Sadiq as an effective Mayor of the "you know local government is effective when you don't notice it" subspecies. But this is an issue where he- or someone- does need to be loud'n'proud about the point of the plan and the help available.
The Georgian Caucasus should be fine. About 1500m up
Beautiful and green and we can grow wine. Bit of a tight squeeze for 8bn people but we’ll manage
Labour needs to campaign with a positive message, like clean air, mitigated by a scrappage scheme for old diesels.
How do we - as humans - avoid just repeating stuff just because we think it ought to be true.
(Actual data on deaths, from the UN, is here: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/number-of-deaths-per-year)
Revealed: The board of NatWest Group is meeting now to determine the future of Dame Alison Rose, its CEO, after she admitted disclosing inappropriate information to a BBC journalist. It’s expected that she will step down although no final decision has been taken. More soon.
https://twitter.com/markkleinmansky/status/1683963592742240257
The UK had - and has - a unique opportunity to go ultra-green. Emerald. Green and rich!
Off-shore wind. The Severn estuary. 80 per cent of us live in urban areas. Public transport, cycling, walking. HS2. HS3. HS4.
Even the Americans have recognised the opportunity. The Tories' policy on the "green crap" will see our country wither and die, just like them.
She has to go, and Coutts needs to rethink whether it can be a private bank or a pioneer of Woke capitalism that refuses right wing clients. It cannot be both
And we're paying the price for it each time we delay it.
Delaying is over, it is time to do something about it so we don't have this conversation in 10 years time again. The UK is literally one of the best countries on Earth for renewable energy potential.
But a hefty win in a defamation case and a pleasing victory over the Woke Remoaners: Yes
You're welcome
It’s absurd. Coutts is probably finished
But I agree he may not risk it. He has other ways of gaining revenge, now
I suppose the key is not to promise the earth, if one can use the expression, but to genuinely be ready to seize on opportunities as they emerge and take action, not just talk about maybe one day doing it.
Disclosing client information to a journalist is a no no. Giving an inaccurate version to the journalist means that she is deeply stupid.
It is quite possible that she didn’t know the actual situation. Even disclosing such client information *internally* has serious checks, in most banks. Contrary to the movies, she couldn’t just login and dig through Farage’s balance. It is quite possible that she gave an internal rumour/third hand information to the journalist.
Which makes her stupid * stupid.
And she lost a game of Truth with Nigel Fucking Farage. Which makes her stupid * stupid * stupid, I suppose
However it is reasonable to question why the UK is banning the sale of ICE vehicles by 2030 when the EU is continuing until 2035
Furthermore measures have to be affordable not only to the population but also the government and in a clear recognition of this Starmer has abandoned his 28 billion a year green commitment
It is not all or nothing, it is making progress across all fronts at a pace that is realistic
If you want a proper private UK bank, there is Hoare's. And that is about it. (RBS used to have Adam & Co, but they closed it down, and transferred its clients - like me - to Coutts. Bastards.)
I know one bank that, as a result of a few dissatisfied customers/employees lost so much of their private banking business, that they had to close the U.K. private banking business as no longer viable.
As I am now US tax resident, I can't change UK banks as no one will have me. Sniff.
The PP won most seats not his PSOE