re; Ron DeSantis, hope that anyone who was injured in automobile accident is OK, and wish them speedy recovery.
That said, rather ironic seeing has how RDS campaign IS a car crash, politically speaking.
Worth noting that so was John McCain's campaign in 2007 . . . before he made his major course correction that led to JMcC winning the 2008 GOP nomination.
On the OTHER hand, the car crash that was Rudy Giuliani's campaign that same cycle, led to . . . a truly spectacular pile-up just over a decade later, featuring an actual junk-yard . . . and a pack of truly vicious junk-yard curs . . .
Very productive day here anyway. I had to assemble a 'Big Green Egg' barbecue. Risibly meant to take 20 minutes. Yes if you're Jimbob Walton. Me, close to 4 hours. But this only adds to the sense of achievement. I'm looking at it now - fully assembled.
re; Ron DeSantis, hope that anyone who was injured in automobile accident is OK, and wish them speedy recovery.
That said, rather ironic seeing has how RDS campaign IS a car crash, politically speaking.
Worth noting that so was John McCain's campaign in 2007 . . . before he made his major course correction that led to JMcC winning the 2008 GOP nomination.
On the OTHER hand, the car crash that was Rudy Giuliani's campaign that same cycle, led to . . . a truly spectacular pile-up just over a decade later, featuring an actual junk-yard . . . and a pack of truly vicious junk-yard curs . . .
Very productive day here anyway. I had to assemble a 'Big Green Egg' barbecue. Risibly meant to take 20 minutes. Yes if you're Jimbob Walton. Me, close to 4 hours. But this only adds to the sense of achievement. I'm looking at it now - fully assembled.
Enjoy it while you can, even now some twat is eyeing your fun and wishing to ban bbq as a global warming threat,
Hey @Sunil_Prasannan are you going to visit Britain’s newest railway station?
It’s a thing of beauty alright. Look at that bench. It’s our version of St Pancras
It's just a car park with a station attached. [Edit] Who wants to look at it? You can't even see anything from the platforms cos noise barriers. Or may be wind barriers. No namby pamby canopied roof for the hardy Commuters of Kent, or perhaps they are Kentich Commuters, I can never remember which. Just a few surplus shelters left over from the last but three Brexit processing camp plans.
It’s extraordinarily hideous and unfriendly. How can architects and planners still get away with buildings this bad?
As you note, there is no shelter from the weather. So if you alight from the train and have to wait for a car, taxi (highly likely) and it’s raining: tough shit
Mind boggling
I have seen worse, tbh. Stations east of That London aren't great.
It's also unnecessary now apparently, due to WFH.
But it's in keeping with the utterly thoughtless over-development which is ruining Thanet.
Ngk, I dunno. It isn't great - as you correctly point out, that flat expanse will be bleak and bitter in winter. But it's a parkway, and it's only there to serve the commuters in the local estate. It'll never be loved, but it's functional enough. It's similar to some others I've seen, and better in some cases.
Tell you what. I'll wait for Sunil or Geoff Marshal to go to it and see what they say
Also, what the fuck is this:
“It's only there to serve the commuters in the local estate”
Did the Victorians ever think like that? Did the early designers of the Tube? “Oh it’s only for the locals, put up a brick shed that looks like a prison toilet block”
No. They took care. They also wanted to sell their train lines as things to use. The uplifting or cosy or welcoming station said “come in here, let us whisk you away”
Thanet Parkway…. Does not
Which was in many ways unfortunate, as it meant the railways, particularly lightly used country railways, became much more expensive and inflexible than they needed to be.
Are you actually arguing it was unfortunate they built beautiful stations and it would have been better if they’d thrown up toilet blocks? Coz they are easier to demolish? Or what?
I am saying that if they had made railways cheaper to run by - for example - building wooden halts at regular intervals rather than Gothic fantasies at distances the economics of rural branch lines might have been rather more helpful and perhaps not quite so many of them would have been shut.
I struggle to see how that could be the case. They would surely have been closed and demolished with less fuss than their more invested-in counterparts.
But ugly stations would have added to the sum of human unhappiness, which apparently is what at least 1/3 of PB desires
When I become UnDictator, chain gangs of planners and architects will be forced to demolish Architecturally Award Winning buildings by hand. Good behaviour and they get a tea spoon.
Think of it as putting the Brutality in Brutalism.
re; Ron DeSantis, hope that anyone who was injured in automobile accident is OK, and wish them speedy recovery.
That said, rather ironic seeing has how RDS campaign IS a car crash, politically speaking.
Worth noting that so was John McCain's campaign in 2007 . . . before he made his major course correction that led to JMcC winning the 2008 GOP nomination.
On the OTHER hand, the car crash that was Rudy Giuliani's campaign that same cycle, led to . . . a truly spectacular pile-up just over a decade later, featuring an actual junk-yard . . . and a pack of truly vicious junk-yard curs . . .
The most interesting candidate atm is RFK,
From the betting pov yes - he's shorter for the WH (13) than the Nom (15). I've laid that 13 for free right up to my Trump exposure.
re; Ron DeSantis, hope that anyone who was injured in automobile accident is OK, and wish them speedy recovery.
That said, rather ironic seeing has how RDS campaign IS a car crash, politically speaking.
Worth noting that so was John McCain's campaign in 2007 . . . before he made his major course correction that led to JMcC winning the 2008 GOP nomination.
On the OTHER hand, the car crash that was Rudy Giuliani's campaign that same cycle, led to . . . a truly spectacular pile-up just over a decade later, featuring an actual junk-yard . . . and a pack of truly vicious junk-yard curs . . .
The most interesting candidate atm is RFK,
Interesting? Yes. Yes, he is certainly that.
Ah yes, I forgot, in leftiyland diversity = more conformity. Wouldnt do to have different viewpoints,
Very productive day here anyway. I had to assemble a 'Big Green Egg' barbecue. Risibly meant to take 20 minutes. Yes if you're Jimbob Walton. Me, close to 4 hours. But this only adds to the sense of achievement. I'm looking at it now - fully assembled.
Enjoy it while you can, even now some twat is eyeing your fun and wishing to ban bbq as a global warming threat,
Ah but the 'BGE' is environmentally friendly. You keep the lid on and can cook in all weathers.
re; Ron DeSantis, hope that anyone who was injured in automobile accident is OK, and wish them speedy recovery.
That said, rather ironic seeing has how RDS campaign IS a car crash, politically speaking.
Worth noting that so was John McCain's campaign in 2007 . . . before he made his major course correction that led to JMcC winning the 2008 GOP nomination.
On the OTHER hand, the car crash that was Rudy Giuliani's campaign that same cycle, led to . . . a truly spectacular pile-up just over a decade later, featuring an actual junk-yard . . . and a pack of truly vicious junk-yard curs . . .
The most interesting candidate atm is RFK,
Ron de Santis has just been interviewed by Russell Brand.
re; Ron DeSantis, hope that anyone who was injured in automobile accident is OK, and wish them speedy recovery.
That said, rather ironic seeing has how RDS campaign IS a car crash, politically speaking.
Worth noting that so was John McCain's campaign in 2007 . . . before he made his major course correction that led to JMcC winning the 2008 GOP nomination.
On the OTHER hand, the car crash that was Rudy Giuliani's campaign that same cycle, led to . . . a truly spectacular pile-up just over a decade later, featuring an actual junk-yard . . . and a pack of truly vicious junk-yard curs . . .
The most interesting candidate atm is RFK,
Interesting? Yes. Yes, he is certainly that.
Ah yes, I forgot, in leftiyland diversity = more conformity. Wouldnt do to have different viewpoints,
Indeed. Luckily, he is chock full of different viewpoints...
Very productive day here anyway. I had to assemble a 'Big Green Egg' barbecue. Risibly meant to take 20 minutes. Yes if you're Jimbob Walton. Me, close to 4 hours. But this only adds to the sense of achievement. I'm looking at it now - fully assembled.
Enjoy it while you can, even now some twat is eyeing your fun and wishing to ban bbq as a global warming threat,
Ah but the 'BGE' is environmentally friendly. You keep the lid on and can cook in all weathers.
Well good luck !
Theyll then try it a different way and only let you bbq turnips.
re; Ron DeSantis, hope that anyone who was injured in automobile accident is OK, and wish them speedy recovery.
That said, rather ironic seeing has how RDS campaign IS a car crash, politically speaking.
Worth noting that so was John McCain's campaign in 2007 . . . before he made his major course correction that led to JMcC winning the 2008 GOP nomination.
On the OTHER hand, the car crash that was Rudy Giuliani's campaign that same cycle, led to . . . a truly spectacular pile-up just over a decade later, featuring an actual junk-yard . . . and a pack of truly vicious junk-yard curs . . .
The most interesting candidate atm is RFK,
Interesting? Yes. Yes, he is certainly that.
Ah yes, I forgot, in leftiyland diversity = more conformity. Wouldnt do to have different viewpoints,
Indeed. Luckily, he is chock full of different viewpoints...
"...UK to run up highest debt interest bill in developed world: Treasury on course to spend 10% of government revenue on bond costs this year, according to forecast by Fitch", FT 2023/07/25, see https://www.ft.com/content/b25903fd-2ebe-4f65-aa20-c21d873946f3 ..."
"...UK to run up highest debt interest bill in developed world: Treasury on course to spend 10% of government revenue on bond costs this year, according to forecast by Fitch", FT 2023/07/25, see https://www.ft.com/content/b25903fd-2ebe-4f65-aa20-c21d873946f3 ..."
If only we had recently enjoyed a period of ultra low interest rates where any halfwit could have tied us into long term fixed cost cheap borrowing.
Hey @Sunil_Prasannan are you going to visit Britain’s newest railway station?
It’s a thing of beauty alright. Look at that bench. It’s our version of St Pancras
It's just a car park with a station attached. [Edit] Who wants to look at it? You can't even see anything from the platforms cos noise barriers. Or may be wind barriers. No namby pamby canopied roof for the hardy Commuters of Kent, or perhaps they are Kentich Commuters, I can never remember which. Just a few surplus shelters left over from the last but three Brexit processing camp plans.
It’s extraordinarily hideous and unfriendly. How can architects and planners still get away with buildings this bad?
As you note, there is no shelter from the weather. So if you alight from the train and have to wait for a car, taxi (highly likely) and it’s raining: tough shit
Mind boggling
I have seen worse, tbh. Stations east of That London aren't great.
It's also unnecessary now apparently, due to WFH.
But it's in keeping with the utterly thoughtless over-development which is ruining Thanet.
Ngk, I dunno. It isn't great - as you correctly point out, that flat expanse will be bleak and bitter in winter. But it's a parkway, and it's only there to serve the commuters in the local estate. It'll never be loved, but it's functional enough. It's similar to some others I've seen, and better in some cases.
Tell you what. I'll wait for Sunil or Geoff Marshal to go to it and see what they say
Why the fuck is “functional enough” ever acceptable?!
I find mindsets like yours entirely incomprehensible
I'm usually more inclined to agree with viewcode than you, but in this case, you're 100% correct.
Lock up all the architects until we can figure out what the hell is going on.
It made it through planning.
Imagine what we would get if the planning system did not exist !
I actually want people that make things like that to go to jail
This is why we all want Poundbury. If architects and planners are incapable of beauty, and far too many of them are, then it must be imposed on them, and all agency taken away from them. There will be style books they have to follow. Traditional station architecture. Nice gables and arches and canopies. Victoriana
I don’t care if it is pastiche it will be MILES BETTER THAN THAT
At the risk of giving myself high blood pressure, what are you referring to?
This
Yikes.
Architects (or an influential chunk of them) are the most egotistical wankers around, or at least the wankers who have the greatest ability to inflict aesthetic misery on millions.
At some point this weirdo coterie decided that true beauty was sparse ugliness, ideally covered in rust. The concrete ego-monuments you see on Grand Designs - you know, the kind of house that wouldn't last ten minutes with kids in - are testament to the decadence of that profession.
There's a reason why normal people actually aspire to nice Victorian terraces, Edwardian semis or cosy cottages. They are _homes_ above all else. Not Nordic-hued shrines to absence. Poundbury isn't ideal, but (a) pastiche and homage have been part of art and design since forever, and (b) PEOPLE LIKE IT.
Research has shown that architects' taste in ugly buildings gets progressively worse as they pass through their studies.
re; Ron DeSantis, hope that anyone who was injured in automobile accident is OK, and wish them speedy recovery.
That said, rather ironic seeing has how RDS campaign IS a car crash, politically speaking.
Worth noting that so was John McCain's campaign in 2007 . . . before he made his major course correction that led to JMcC winning the 2008 GOP nomination.
On the OTHER hand, the car crash that was Rudy Giuliani's campaign that same cycle, led to . . . a truly spectacular pile-up just over a decade later, featuring an actual junk-yard . . . and a pack of truly vicious junk-yard curs . . .
The most interesting candidate atm is RFK,
Ron de Santis has just been interviewed by Russell Brand.
I'm sure Borat or one of his aliases will have tried to interview the 2024 Presidential field, I wonder which of them will have been both dumb enough and badly advised to get involved.
"...UK to run up highest debt interest bill in developed world: Treasury on course to spend 10% of government revenue on bond costs this year, according to forecast by Fitch", FT 2023/07/25, see https://www.ft.com/content/b25903fd-2ebe-4f65-aa20-c21d873946f3 ..."
Good job we've got Rishi, not that awful Truss who raised bond yields to... Oh.
re; Ron DeSantis, hope that anyone who was injured in automobile accident is OK, and wish them speedy recovery.
That said, rather ironic seeing has how RDS campaign IS a car crash, politically speaking.
Worth noting that so was John McCain's campaign in 2007 . . . before he made his major course correction that led to JMcC winning the 2008 GOP nomination.
On the OTHER hand, the car crash that was Rudy Giuliani's campaign that same cycle, led to . . . a truly spectacular pile-up just over a decade later, featuring an actual junk-yard . . . and a pack of truly vicious junk-yard curs . . .
The most interesting candidate atm is RFK,
The Ye of 2024? Interesting as he is (at least currently) a WAY better shill for Trump that Kanye West ever was.
re; Ron DeSantis, hope that anyone who was injured in automobile accident is OK, and wish them speedy recovery.
That said, rather ironic seeing has how RDS campaign IS a car crash, politically speaking.
Worth noting that so was John McCain's campaign in 2007 . . . before he made his major course correction that led to JMcC winning the 2008 GOP nomination.
On the OTHER hand, the car crash that was Rudy Giuliani's campaign that same cycle, led to . . . a truly spectacular pile-up just over a decade later, featuring an actual junk-yard . . . and a pack of truly vicious junk-yard curs . . .
The most interesting candidate atm is RFK,
Interesting? Yes. Yes, he is certainly that.
Ah yes, I forgot, in leftiyland diversity = more conformity. Wouldnt do to have different viewpoints,
Hey @Sunil_Prasannan are you going to visit Britain’s newest railway station?
It’s a thing of beauty alright. Look at that bench. It’s our version of St Pancras
It's just a car park with a station attached. [Edit] Who wants to look at it? You can't even see anything from the platforms cos noise barriers. Or may be wind barriers. No namby pamby canopied roof for the hardy Commuters of Kent, or perhaps they are Kentich Commuters, I can never remember which. Just a few surplus shelters left over from the last but three Brexit processing camp plans.
It’s extraordinarily hideous and unfriendly. How can architects and planners still get away with buildings this bad?
As you note, there is no shelter from the weather. So if you alight from the train and have to wait for a car, taxi (highly likely) and it’s raining: tough shit
Mind boggling
I have seen worse, tbh. Stations east of That London aren't great.
It's also unnecessary now apparently, due to WFH.
But it's in keeping with the utterly thoughtless over-development which is ruining Thanet.
Ngk, I dunno. It isn't great - as you correctly point out, that flat expanse will be bleak and bitter in winter. But it's a parkway, and it's only there to serve the commuters in the local estate. It'll never be loved, but it's functional enough. It's similar to some others I've seen, and better in some cases.
Tell you what. I'll wait for Sunil or Geoff Marshal to go to it and see what they say
Also, what the fuck is this:
“It's only there to serve the commuters in the local estate”
Did the Victorians ever think like that? Did the early designers of the Tube? “Oh it’s only for the locals, put up a brick shed that looks like a prison toilet block”
No. They took care. They also wanted to sell their train lines as things to use. The uplifting or cosy or welcoming station said “come in here, let us whisk you away”
Thanet Parkway…. Does not
Which was in many ways unfortunate, as it meant the railways, particularly lightly used country railways, became much more expensive and inflexible than they needed to be.
Are you actually arguing it was unfortunate they built beautiful stations and it would have been better if they’d thrown up toilet blocks? Coz they are easier to demolish? Or what?
I am saying that if they had made railways cheaper to run by - for example - building wooden halts at regular intervals rather than Gothic fantasies at distances the economics of rural branch lines might have been rather more helpful and perhaps not quite so many of them would have been shut.
I struggle to see how that could be the case. They would surely have been closed and demolished with less fuss than their more invested-in counterparts.
But ugly stations would have added to the sum of human unhappiness, which apparently is what at least 1/3 of PB desires
Unfortunately, there is a slice of human psyche that finds satisfaction in unhappiness. Plenty of media products, factual and fictional, have grown fat on that insight.
There's also a streak of selfishness and stinginess that says that the public deserve no more than the minimal functionality.
@JosiasJessop is probably right- this was done to a budget, and that budget wasn't enough to stretch to civilising features.
re; Ron DeSantis, hope that anyone who was injured in automobile accident is OK, and wish them speedy recovery.
That said, rather ironic seeing has how RDS campaign IS a car crash, politically speaking.
Worth noting that so was John McCain's campaign in 2007 . . . before he made his major course correction that led to JMcC winning the 2008 GOP nomination.
On the OTHER hand, the car crash that was Rudy Giuliani's campaign that same cycle, led to . . . a truly spectacular pile-up just over a decade later, featuring an actual junk-yard . . . and a pack of truly vicious junk-yard curs . . .
The most interesting candidate atm is RFK,
Ron de Santis has just been interviewed by Russell Brand.
There's an interesting divide in American between NeverTrumpers who are that way because they think he is a loser, and those who think he could win but that is bad.
I keep hearing Republicans say that Republican voters shouldn’t vote for Trump in the primaries because he’ll likely lose the general election.
re; Ron DeSantis, hope that anyone who was injured in automobile accident is OK, and wish them speedy recovery.
That said, rather ironic seeing has how RDS campaign IS a car crash, politically speaking.
Worth noting that so was John McCain's campaign in 2007 . . . before he made his major course correction that led to JMcC winning the 2008 GOP nomination.
On the OTHER hand, the car crash that was Rudy Giuliani's campaign that same cycle, led to . . . a truly spectacular pile-up just over a decade later, featuring an actual junk-yard . . . and a pack of truly vicious junk-yard curs . . .
The most interesting candidate atm is RFK,
Interesting? Yes. Yes, he is certainly that.
Ah yes, I forgot, in leftiyland diversity = more conformity. Wouldnt do to have different viewpoints,
If you count mendacious grifters, sure.
Im struggling to think of a US politician who doesnt fit your catch all.
I think it fair to say that California's Gavin Newsom under performs, given how Democratic that state is. (Perhaps he should invite more people to join him at the French Laundry.)
Spain forecast to have the fastest growth of major advanced economies this year there, then the US. Next year Canada, France and Germany as well as Spain expected to grow faster than the USA.
India projected to have the fastest global growth overall
re; Ron DeSantis, hope that anyone who was injured in automobile accident is OK, and wish them speedy recovery.
That said, rather ironic seeing has how RDS campaign IS a car crash, politically speaking.
Worth noting that so was John McCain's campaign in 2007 . . . before he made his major course correction that led to JMcC winning the 2008 GOP nomination.
On the OTHER hand, the car crash that was Rudy Giuliani's campaign that same cycle, led to . . . a truly spectacular pile-up just over a decade later, featuring an actual junk-yard . . . and a pack of truly vicious junk-yard curs . . .
The most interesting candidate atm is RFK,
The Ye of 2024? Interesting as he is (at least currently) a WAY better shill for Trump that Kanye West ever was.
Sad but true.
Nah
the Democrats are Trumps best shills as they want him as the GOP candidate.
Hey @Sunil_Prasannan are you going to visit Britain’s newest railway station?
It’s a thing of beauty alright. Look at that bench. It’s our version of St Pancras
It's just a car park with a station attached. [Edit] Who wants to look at it? You can't even see anything from the platforms cos noise barriers. Or may be wind barriers. No namby pamby canopied roof for the hardy Commuters of Kent, or perhaps they are Kentich Commuters, I can never remember which. Just a few surplus shelters left over from the last but three Brexit processing camp plans.
It’s extraordinarily hideous and unfriendly. How can architects and planners still get away with buildings this bad?
As you note, there is no shelter from the weather. So if you alight from the train and have to wait for a car, taxi (highly likely) and it’s raining: tough shit
Mind boggling
I have seen worse, tbh. Stations east of That London aren't great.
It's also unnecessary now apparently, due to WFH.
But it's in keeping with the utterly thoughtless over-development which is ruining Thanet.
Ngk, I dunno. It isn't great - as you correctly point out, that flat expanse will be bleak and bitter in winter. But it's a parkway, and it's only there to serve the commuters in the local estate. It'll never be loved, but it's functional enough. It's similar to some others I've seen, and better in some cases.
Tell you what. I'll wait for Sunil or Geoff Marshal to go to it and see what they say
Also, what the fuck is this:
“It's only there to serve the commuters in the local estate”
Did the Victorians ever think like that? Did the early designers of the Tube? “Oh it’s only for the locals, put up a brick shed that looks like a prison toilet block”
No. They took care. They also wanted to sell their train lines as things to use. The uplifting or cosy or welcoming station said “come in here, let us whisk you away”
Thanet Parkway…. Does not
Which was in many ways unfortunate, as it meant the railways, particularly lightly used country railways, became much more expensive and inflexible than they needed to be.
Are you actually arguing it was unfortunate they built beautiful stations and it would have been better if they’d thrown up toilet blocks? Coz they are easier to demolish? Or what?
I am saying that if they had made railways cheaper to run by - for example - building wooden halts at regular intervals rather than Gothic fantasies at distances the economics of rural branch lines might have been rather more helpful and perhaps not quite so many of them would have been shut.
I struggle to see how that could be the case. They would surely have been closed and demolished with less fuss than their more invested-in counterparts.
But ugly stations would have added to the sum of human unhappiness, which apparently is what at least 1/3 of PB desires
Unfortunately, there is a slice of human psyche that finds satisfaction in unhappiness. Plenty of media products, factual and fictional, have grown fat on that insight.
There's also a streak of selfishness and stinginess that says that the public deserve no more than the minimal functionality.
@JosiasJessop is probably right- this was done to a budget, and that budget wasn't enough to stretch to civilising features.
Disabled people might say that being able to access the platforms is a 'civilising' feature. IMO that's what most of the complaints about the structure is: the footbridge, ramps and lifts to allow accessibility to what are already raised platforms.
Architects love this sort of thing. They would have designed a station that cost a billion pounds to build, and would have Leon flooding it with his little man-babies from as far as Lviv. The the client adds constraints. It needs to be accessible. We got fined because some scrote dropped a brick onto the head of someone below. Potential future overhead electrification means we need x amount of headroom. Most of all: we need it for y amount.
And hence architects are *really* limited in what they can do. If you want to (say) drop accessibility requirements, that would both save a lot of money and make it look a lot better. But would also lead to the station not opening because it did not meet requirements.
Again, I'd love people to come up with their alternatives.
re; Ron DeSantis, hope that anyone who was injured in automobile accident is OK, and wish them speedy recovery.
That said, rather ironic seeing has how RDS campaign IS a car crash, politically speaking.
Worth noting that so was John McCain's campaign in 2007 . . . before he made his major course correction that led to JMcC winning the 2008 GOP nomination.
On the OTHER hand, the car crash that was Rudy Giuliani's campaign that same cycle, led to . . . a truly spectacular pile-up just over a decade later, featuring an actual junk-yard . . . and a pack of truly vicious junk-yard curs . . .
The most interesting candidate atm is RFK,
Interesting? Yes. Yes, he is certainly that.
Ah yes, I forgot, in leftiyland diversity = more conformity. Wouldnt do to have different viewpoints,
If you count mendacious grifters, sure.
Im struggling to think of a US politician who doesnt fit your catch all.
re; Ron DeSantis, hope that anyone who was injured in automobile accident is OK, and wish them speedy recovery.
That said, rather ironic seeing has how RDS campaign IS a car crash, politically speaking.
Worth noting that so was John McCain's campaign in 2007 . . . before he made his major course correction that led to JMcC winning the 2008 GOP nomination.
On the OTHER hand, the car crash that was Rudy Giuliani's campaign that same cycle, led to . . . a truly spectacular pile-up just over a decade later, featuring an actual junk-yard . . . and a pack of truly vicious junk-yard curs . . .
The most interesting candidate atm is RFK,
Interesting? Yes. Yes, he is certainly that.
Ah yes, I forgot, in leftiyland diversity = more conformity. Wouldnt do to have different viewpoints,
If you count mendacious grifters, sure.
Im struggling to think of a US politician who doesnt fit your catch all.
re; Ron DeSantis, hope that anyone who was injured in automobile accident is OK, and wish them speedy recovery.
That said, rather ironic seeing has how RDS campaign IS a car crash, politically speaking.
Worth noting that so was John McCain's campaign in 2007 . . . before he made his major course correction that led to JMcC winning the 2008 GOP nomination.
On the OTHER hand, the car crash that was Rudy Giuliani's campaign that same cycle, led to . . . a truly spectacular pile-up just over a decade later, featuring an actual junk-yard . . . and a pack of truly vicious junk-yard curs . . .
The most interesting candidate atm is RFK,
Interesting? Yes. Yes, he is certainly that.
Ah yes, I forgot, in leftiyland diversity = more conformity. Wouldnt do to have different viewpoints,
If you count mendacious grifters, sure.
Im struggling to think of a US politician who doesnt fit your catch all.
Spain forecast to have the fastest growth of major advanced economies this year there, then the US. Next year Canada, France and Germany as well as Spain expected to grow faster than the USA.
India projected to have the fastest global growth overall
Given the mess France is in I struggle to see how they will hit the forecast
Hey @Sunil_Prasannan are you going to visit Britain’s newest railway station?
It’s a thing of beauty alright. Look at that bench. It’s our version of St Pancras
It's just a car park with a station attached. [Edit] Who wants to look at it? You can't even see anything from the platforms cos noise barriers. Or may be wind barriers. No namby pamby canopied roof for the hardy Commuters of Kent, or perhaps they are Kentich Commuters, I can never remember which. Just a few surplus shelters left over from the last but three Brexit processing camp plans.
It’s extraordinarily hideous and unfriendly. How can architects and planners still get away with buildings this bad?
As you note, there is no shelter from the weather. So if you alight from the train and have to wait for a car, taxi (highly likely) and it’s raining: tough shit
Mind boggling
I have seen worse, tbh. Stations east of That London aren't great.
It's also unnecessary now apparently, due to WFH.
But it's in keeping with the utterly thoughtless over-development which is ruining Thanet.
Ngk, I dunno. It isn't great - as you correctly point out, that flat expanse will be bleak and bitter in winter. But it's a parkway, and it's only there to serve the commuters in the local estate. It'll never be loved, but it's functional enough. It's similar to some others I've seen, and better in some cases.
Tell you what. I'll wait for Sunil or Geoff Marshal to go to it and see what they say
Also, what the fuck is this:
“It's only there to serve the commuters in the local estate”
Did the Victorians ever think like that? Did the early designers of the Tube? “Oh it’s only for the locals, put up a brick shed that looks like a prison toilet block”
No. They took care. They also wanted to sell their train lines as things to use. The uplifting or cosy or welcoming station said “come in here, let us whisk you away”
Thanet Parkway…. Does not
Which was in many ways unfortunate, as it meant the railways, particularly lightly used country railways, became much more expensive and inflexible than they needed to be.
Are you actually arguing it was unfortunate they built beautiful stations and it would have been better if they’d thrown up toilet blocks? Coz they are easier to demolish? Or what?
I am saying that if they had made railways cheaper to run by - for example - building wooden halts at regular intervals rather than Gothic fantasies at distances the economics of rural branch lines might have been rather more helpful and perhaps not quite so many of them would have been shut.
I struggle to see how that could be the case. They would surely have been closed and demolished with less fuss than their more invested-in counterparts.
But ugly stations would have added to the sum of human unhappiness, which apparently is what at least 1/3 of PB desires
Unfortunately, there is a slice of human psyche that finds satisfaction in unhappiness. Plenty of media products, factual and fictional, have grown fat on that insight.
There's also a streak of selfishness and stinginess that says that the public deserve no more than the minimal functionality.
@JosiasJessop is probably right- this was done to a budget, and that budget wasn't enough to stretch to civilising features.
Someone crunched the numbers. It cost a minimum of £35 MILLION
No joke. And it looks like it cost £30k max
For £35 MILLION they could have put in a few trees? And maybe a shelter of some kind? So you don’t get wet waiting for the non existent bus link?
In this small Essex town a town centre building burned down about 60 years. It was around 200 years old. It was replaced by a building of such stunning ugliness and incompatibility with its surroundings that, I’m told, architectural students are brought here to be shown what not to do!
Hey @Sunil_Prasannan are you going to visit Britain’s newest railway station?
It’s a thing of beauty alright. Look at that bench. It’s our version of St Pancras
It's just a car park with a station attached. [Edit] Who wants to look at it? You can't even see anything from the platforms cos noise barriers. Or may be wind barriers. No namby pamby canopied roof for the hardy Commuters of Kent, or perhaps they are Kentich Commuters, I can never remember which. Just a few surplus shelters left over from the last but three Brexit processing camp plans.
It’s extraordinarily hideous and unfriendly. How can architects and planners still get away with buildings this bad?
As you note, there is no shelter from the weather. So if you alight from the train and have to wait for a car, taxi (highly likely) and it’s raining: tough shit
Mind boggling
I have seen worse, tbh. Stations east of That London aren't great.
It's also unnecessary now apparently, due to WFH.
But it's in keeping with the utterly thoughtless over-development which is ruining Thanet.
Ngk, I dunno. It isn't great - as you correctly point out, that flat expanse will be bleak and bitter in winter. But it's a parkway, and it's only there to serve the commuters in the local estate. It'll never be loved, but it's functional enough. It's similar to some others I've seen, and better in some cases.
Tell you what. I'll wait for Sunil or Geoff Marshal to go to it and see what they say
Also, what the fuck is this:
“It's only there to serve the commuters in the local estate”
Did the Victorians ever think like that? Did the early designers of the Tube? “Oh it’s only for the locals, put up a brick shed that looks like a prison toilet block”
No. They took care. They also wanted to sell their train lines as things to use. The uplifting or cosy or welcoming station said “come in here, let us whisk you away”
Thanet Parkway…. Does not
Which was in many ways unfortunate, as it meant the railways, particularly lightly used country railways, became much more expensive and inflexible than they needed to be.
Are you actually arguing it was unfortunate they built beautiful stations and it would have been better if they’d thrown up toilet blocks? Coz they are easier to demolish? Or what?
I am saying that if they had made railways cheaper to run by - for example - building wooden halts at regular intervals rather than Gothic fantasies at distances the economics of rural branch lines might have been rather more helpful and perhaps not quite so many of them would have been shut.
I struggle to see how that could be the case. They would surely have been closed and demolished with less fuss than their more invested-in counterparts.
But ugly stations would have added to the sum of human unhappiness, which apparently is what at least 1/3 of PB desires
Unfortunately, there is a slice of human psyche that finds satisfaction in unhappiness. Plenty of media products, factual and fictional, have grown fat on that insight.
There's also a streak of selfishness and stinginess that says that the public deserve no more than the minimal functionality.
@JosiasJessop is probably right- this was done to a budget, and that budget wasn't enough to stretch to civilising features.
Disabled people might say that being able to access the platforms is a 'civilising' feature. IMO that's what most of the complaints about the structure is: the footbridge, ramps and lifts to allow accessibility to what are already raised platforms.
Architects love this sort of thing. They would have designed a station that cost a billion pounds to build, and would have Leon flooding it with his little man-babies from as far as Lviv. The the client adds constraints. It needs to be accessible. We got fined because some scrote dropped a brick onto the head of someone below. Potential future overhead electrification means we need x amount of headroom. Most of all: we need it for y amount.
And hence architects are *really* limited in what they can do. If you want to (say) drop accessibility requirements, that would both save a lot of money and make it look a lot better. But would also lead to the station not opening because it did not meet requirements.
Again, I'd love people to come up with their alternatives.
The Labour Party, a subset of lawyers, criminal gangs - they're all on the same side, propping up a system of exploitation that profits from getting people to the UK illegally.
Rishi Sunak is a fucktard.
His [Sunak's] plan on how to stop it involves [checks notes] letting them in legally instead to be baristas.
I wish I was making that up.
1300 or so landed last week from small boats. Enough for 2 1/2 more barges.
Hey @Sunil_Prasannan are you going to visit Britain’s newest railway station?
It’s a thing of beauty alright. Look at that bench. It’s our version of St Pancras
It's just a car park with a station attached. [Edit] Who wants to look at it? You can't even see anything from the platforms cos noise barriers. Or may be wind barriers. No namby pamby canopied roof for the hardy Commuters of Kent, or perhaps they are Kentich Commuters, I can never remember which. Just a few surplus shelters left over from the last but three Brexit processing camp plans.
It’s extraordinarily hideous and unfriendly. How can architects and planners still get away with buildings this bad?
As you note, there is no shelter from the weather. So if you alight from the train and have to wait for a car, taxi (highly likely) and it’s raining: tough shit
Mind boggling
I have seen worse, tbh. Stations east of That London aren't great.
It's also unnecessary now apparently, due to WFH.
But it's in keeping with the utterly thoughtless over-development which is ruining Thanet.
Ngk, I dunno. It isn't great - as you correctly point out, that flat expanse will be bleak and bitter in winter. But it's a parkway, and it's only there to serve the commuters in the local estate. It'll never be loved, but it's functional enough. It's similar to some others I've seen, and better in some cases.
Tell you what. I'll wait for Sunil or Geoff Marshal to go to it and see what they say
Also, what the fuck is this:
“It's only there to serve the commuters in the local estate”
Did the Victorians ever think like that? Did the early designers of the Tube? “Oh it’s only for the locals, put up a brick shed that looks like a prison toilet block”
No. They took care. They also wanted to sell their train lines as things to use. The uplifting or cosy or welcoming station said “come in here, let us whisk you away”
Thanet Parkway…. Does not
Which was in many ways unfortunate, as it meant the railways, particularly lightly used country railways, became much more expensive and inflexible than they needed to be.
Are you actually arguing it was unfortunate they built beautiful stations and it would have been better if they’d thrown up toilet blocks? Coz they are easier to demolish? Or what?
I am saying that if they had made railways cheaper to run by - for example - building wooden halts at regular intervals rather than Gothic fantasies at distances the economics of rural branch lines might have been rather more helpful and perhaps not quite so many of them would have been shut.
Leon probably loves St Pancras. Yet the building of St Pancras cost the Midland Railway so much, that the northern extension to Manchester a decade later was done on a shoestring. Manchester Central therefore had a brilliant overall roof, but a load of 'temporary' wooden buildings - a wooden 1970s Kings Cross - in front of it. Which were so temporary that they lasted until the closure of the station, eighty years later.
"...UK to run up highest debt interest bill in developed world: Treasury on course to spend 10% of government revenue on bond costs this year, according to forecast by Fitch", FT 2023/07/25, see https://www.ft.com/content/b25903fd-2ebe-4f65-aa20-c21d873946f3 ..."
First thought: We are post bank crisis, post covid and post Brexit. By now we should be balancing the books on current account and starting to pay off some of the £2trillion we owe.
The facts are that in Q1 (April-June) of 2023-4 financial year we borrowed an additional £54.4 billion.
Essentially we are paying the high interest cost of debt by borrowing, at high rates, the money to pay the interest, so that the debt and the repayments continue to rise.
That's like dealing with CO2 by reopening a coal fired electricity programme.
Except that Truss would have borrowed a little more, no-one in politics has much to say. Does anyone know Labour's approach to this? They aren't drawing much attention to it.
re; Ron DeSantis, hope that anyone who was injured in automobile accident is OK, and wish them speedy recovery.
That said, rather ironic seeing has how RDS campaign IS a car crash, politically speaking.
Worth noting that so was John McCain's campaign in 2007 . . . before he made his major course correction that led to JMcC winning the 2008 GOP nomination.
On the OTHER hand, the car crash that was Rudy Giuliani's campaign that same cycle, led to . . . a truly spectacular pile-up just over a decade later, featuring an actual junk-yard . . . and a pack of truly vicious junk-yard curs . . .
The most interesting candidate atm is RFK,
Interesting? Yes. Yes, he is certainly that.
Ah yes, I forgot, in leftiyland diversity = more conformity. Wouldnt do to have different viewpoints,
If you count mendacious grifters, sure.
Im struggling to think of a US politician who doesnt fit your catch all.
Joe Biden isn't.
I shall refuse that bait
Good call since here's what the words mean:
Mendacious = An habitual liar. Grifter = Interested only in personal gain and gratification.
Biden fits neither. He just doesn't. It's not even a matter of opinion.
Hey @Sunil_Prasannan are you going to visit Britain’s newest railway station?
It’s a thing of beauty alright. Look at that bench. It’s our version of St Pancras
It's just a car park with a station attached. [Edit] Who wants to look at it? You can't even see anything from the platforms cos noise barriers. Or may be wind barriers. No namby pamby canopied roof for the hardy Commuters of Kent, or perhaps they are Kentich Commuters, I can never remember which. Just a few surplus shelters left over from the last but three Brexit processing camp plans.
It’s extraordinarily hideous and unfriendly. How can architects and planners still get away with buildings this bad?
As you note, there is no shelter from the weather. So if you alight from the train and have to wait for a car, taxi (highly likely) and it’s raining: tough shit
Mind boggling
I have seen worse, tbh. Stations east of That London aren't great.
It's also unnecessary now apparently, due to WFH.
But it's in keeping with the utterly thoughtless over-development which is ruining Thanet.
Ngk, I dunno. It isn't great - as you correctly point out, that flat expanse will be bleak and bitter in winter. But it's a parkway, and it's only there to serve the commuters in the local estate. It'll never be loved, but it's functional enough. It's similar to some others I've seen, and better in some cases.
Tell you what. I'll wait for Sunil or Geoff Marshal to go to it and see what they say
Also, what the fuck is this:
“It's only there to serve the commuters in the local estate”
Did the Victorians ever think like that? Did the early designers of the Tube? “Oh it’s only for the locals, put up a brick shed that looks like a prison toilet block”
No. They took care. They also wanted to sell their train lines as things to use. The uplifting or cosy or welcoming station said “come in here, let us whisk you away”
Thanet Parkway…. Does not
Which was in many ways unfortunate, as it meant the railways, particularly lightly used country railways, became much more expensive and inflexible than they needed to be.
Are you actually arguing it was unfortunate they built beautiful stations and it would have been better if they’d thrown up toilet blocks? Coz they are easier to demolish? Or what?
I am saying that if they had made railways cheaper to run by - for example - building wooden halts at regular intervals rather than Gothic fantasies at distances the economics of rural branch lines might have been rather more helpful and perhaps not quite so many of them would have been shut.
I struggle to see how that could be the case. They would surely have been closed and demolished with less fuss than their more invested-in counterparts.
But ugly stations would have added to the sum of human unhappiness, which apparently is what at least 1/3 of PB desires
Unfortunately, there is a slice of human psyche that finds satisfaction in unhappiness. Plenty of media products, factual and fictional, have grown fat on that insight.
There's also a streak of selfishness and stinginess that says that the public deserve no more than the minimal functionality.
@JosiasJessop is probably right- this was done to a budget, and that budget wasn't enough to stretch to civilising features.
Disabled people might say that being able to access the platforms is a 'civilising' feature. IMO that's what most of the complaints about the structure is: the footbridge, ramps and lifts to allow accessibility to what are already raised platforms.
Architects love this sort of thing. They would have designed a station that cost a billion pounds to build, and would have Leon flooding it with his little man-babies from as far as Lviv. The the client adds constraints. It needs to be accessible. We got fined because some scrote dropped a brick onto the head of someone below. Potential future overhead electrification means we need x amount of headroom. Most of all: we need it for y amount.
And hence architects are *really* limited in what they can do. If you want to (say) drop accessibility requirements, that would both save a lot of money and make it look a lot better. But would also lead to the station not opening because it did not meet requirements.
Again, I'd love people to come up with their alternatives.
Maybe some trees? And a canopy?
How do you get trees on an elevated platform?
Canopies: fair enough, but they are costly. And probably would not be seen on the elevation you first complained about.
re; Ron DeSantis, hope that anyone who was injured in automobile accident is OK, and wish them speedy recovery.
That said, rather ironic seeing has how RDS campaign IS a car crash, politically speaking.
Worth noting that so was John McCain's campaign in 2007 . . . before he made his major course correction that led to JMcC winning the 2008 GOP nomination.
On the OTHER hand, the car crash that was Rudy Giuliani's campaign that same cycle, led to . . . a truly spectacular pile-up just over a decade later, featuring an actual junk-yard . . . and a pack of truly vicious junk-yard curs . . .
The most interesting candidate atm is RFK,
Interesting? Yes. Yes, he is certainly that.
Ah yes, I forgot, in leftiyland diversity = more conformity. Wouldnt do to have different viewpoints,
If you count mendacious grifters, sure.
Im struggling to think of a US politician who doesnt fit your catch all.
Joe Biden isn't.
That is sub-judice.
It isn't. There's 50 years of evidence. He's been in public life since 1970.
re; Ron DeSantis, hope that anyone who was injured in automobile accident is OK, and wish them speedy recovery.
That said, rather ironic seeing has how RDS campaign IS a car crash, politically speaking.
Worth noting that so was John McCain's campaign in 2007 . . . before he made his major course correction that led to JMcC winning the 2008 GOP nomination.
On the OTHER hand, the car crash that was Rudy Giuliani's campaign that same cycle, led to . . . a truly spectacular pile-up just over a decade later, featuring an actual junk-yard . . . and a pack of truly vicious junk-yard curs . . .
The most interesting candidate atm is RFK,
Interesting? Yes. Yes, he is certainly that.
Ah yes, I forgot, in leftiyland diversity = more conformity. Wouldnt do to have different viewpoints,
If you count mendacious grifters, sure.
Im struggling to think of a US politician who doesnt fit your catch all.
Joe Biden isn't.
I shall refuse that bait
Good call since here's what the words mean:
Mendacious = An habitual liar. Grifter = Interested only in personal gain and gratification.
Biden fits neither. He just doesn't. It's not even a matter of opinion.
It quite clearly is as millions of americans will testify.
re; Ron DeSantis, hope that anyone who was injured in automobile accident is OK, and wish them speedy recovery.
That said, rather ironic seeing has how RDS campaign IS a car crash, politically speaking.
Worth noting that so was John McCain's campaign in 2007 . . . before he made his major course correction that led to JMcC winning the 2008 GOP nomination.
On the OTHER hand, the car crash that was Rudy Giuliani's campaign that same cycle, led to . . . a truly spectacular pile-up just over a decade later, featuring an actual junk-yard . . . and a pack of truly vicious junk-yard curs . . .
The most interesting candidate atm is RFK,
Interesting? Yes. Yes, he is certainly that.
Ah yes, I forgot, in leftiyland diversity = more conformity. Wouldnt do to have different viewpoints,
If you count mendacious grifters, sure.
Im struggling to think of a US politician who doesnt fit your catch all.
Sure, there are similarities to Trump, but otherwise you're just trolling. Not interesting.
Spain forecast to have the fastest growth of major advanced economies this year there, then the US. Next year Canada, France and Germany as well as Spain expected to grow faster than the USA.
India projected to have the fastest global growth overall
Given the mess France is in I struggle to see how they will hit the forecast
All of the clean up after the riots will add to GDP.
Hey @Sunil_Prasannan are you going to visit Britain’s newest railway station?
It’s a thing of beauty alright. Look at that bench. It’s our version of St Pancras
It's just a car park with a station attached. [Edit] Who wants to look at it? You can't even see anything from the platforms cos noise barriers. Or may be wind barriers. No namby pamby canopied roof for the hardy Commuters of Kent, or perhaps they are Kentich Commuters, I can never remember which. Just a few surplus shelters left over from the last but three Brexit processing camp plans.
It’s extraordinarily hideous and unfriendly. How can architects and planners still get away with buildings this bad?
As you note, there is no shelter from the weather. So if you alight from the train and have to wait for a car, taxi (highly likely) and it’s raining: tough shit
Mind boggling
I have seen worse, tbh. Stations east of That London aren't great.
It's also unnecessary now apparently, due to WFH.
But it's in keeping with the utterly thoughtless over-development which is ruining Thanet.
Ngk, I dunno. It isn't great - as you correctly point out, that flat expanse will be bleak and bitter in winter. But it's a parkway, and it's only there to serve the commuters in the local estate. It'll never be loved, but it's functional enough. It's similar to some others I've seen, and better in some cases.
Tell you what. I'll wait for Sunil or Geoff Marshal to go to it and see what they say
Also, what the fuck is this:
“It's only there to serve the commuters in the local estate”
Did the Victorians ever think like that? Did the early designers of the Tube? “Oh it’s only for the locals, put up a brick shed that looks like a prison toilet block”
No. They took care. They also wanted to sell their train lines as things to use. The uplifting or cosy or welcoming station said “come in here, let us whisk you away”
Thanet Parkway…. Does not
It is a Parkway - meant to serve the hinterland (and the airport if/when it reopens). The car park is a giveaway. Not just a halt for the residents of Cliffsend.
re; Ron DeSantis, hope that anyone who was injured in automobile accident is OK, and wish them speedy recovery.
That said, rather ironic seeing has how RDS campaign IS a car crash, politically speaking.
Worth noting that so was John McCain's campaign in 2007 . . . before he made his major course correction that led to JMcC winning the 2008 GOP nomination.
On the OTHER hand, the car crash that was Rudy Giuliani's campaign that same cycle, led to . . . a truly spectacular pile-up just over a decade later, featuring an actual junk-yard . . . and a pack of truly vicious junk-yard curs . . .
The most interesting candidate atm is RFK,
Interesting? Yes. Yes, he is certainly that.
Ah yes, I forgot, in leftiyland diversity = more conformity. Wouldnt do to have different viewpoints,
If you count mendacious grifters, sure.
Im struggling to think of a US politician who doesnt fit your catch all.
Joe Biden isn't.
That is sub-judice.
No, it isn't. The laughable Republican House investigation is not a judicial process, and in any event has proved completely empty.
re; Ron DeSantis, hope that anyone who was injured in automobile accident is OK, and wish them speedy recovery.
That said, rather ironic seeing has how RDS campaign IS a car crash, politically speaking.
Worth noting that so was John McCain's campaign in 2007 . . . before he made his major course correction that led to JMcC winning the 2008 GOP nomination.
On the OTHER hand, the car crash that was Rudy Giuliani's campaign that same cycle, led to . . . a truly spectacular pile-up just over a decade later, featuring an actual junk-yard . . . and a pack of truly vicious junk-yard curs . . .
The most interesting candidate atm is RFK,
Interesting? Yes. Yes, he is certainly that.
Ah yes, I forgot, in leftiyland diversity = more conformity. Wouldnt do to have different viewpoints,
If you count mendacious grifters, sure.
Im struggling to think of a US politician who doesnt fit your catch all.
Sure, there are similarities to Trump, but otherwise you're just trolling. Not interesting.
Im not a Trump fan, the whole of the US is in a political mess and needs to get its shit together or else theyre Venezuala with hot dogs
Hey @Sunil_Prasannan are you going to visit Britain’s newest railway station?
It’s a thing of beauty alright. Look at that bench. It’s our version of St Pancras
It's just a car park with a station attached. [Edit] Who wants to look at it? You can't even see anything from the platforms cos noise barriers. Or may be wind barriers. No namby pamby canopied roof for the hardy Commuters of Kent, or perhaps they are Kentich Commuters, I can never remember which. Just a few surplus shelters left over from the last but three Brexit processing camp plans.
It’s extraordinarily hideous and unfriendly. How can architects and planners still get away with buildings this bad?
As you note, there is no shelter from the weather. So if you alight from the train and have to wait for a car, taxi (highly likely) and it’s raining: tough shit
Mind boggling
I have seen worse, tbh. Stations east of That London aren't great.
It's also unnecessary now apparently, due to WFH.
But it's in keeping with the utterly thoughtless over-development which is ruining Thanet.
Ngk, I dunno. It isn't great - as you correctly point out, that flat expanse will be bleak and bitter in winter. But it's a parkway, and it's only there to serve the commuters in the local estate. It'll never be loved, but it's functional enough. It's similar to some others I've seen, and better in some cases.
Tell you what. I'll wait for Sunil or Geoff Marshal to go to it and see what they say
Also, what the fuck is this:
“It's only there to serve the commuters in the local estate”
Did the Victorians ever think like that? Did the early designers of the Tube? “Oh it’s only for the locals, put up a brick shed that looks like a prison toilet block”
No. They took care. They also wanted to sell their train lines as things to use. The uplifting or cosy or welcoming station said “come in here, let us whisk you away”
Thanet Parkway…. Does not
Which was in many ways unfortunate, as it meant the railways, particularly lightly used country railways, became much more expensive and inflexible than they needed to be.
Are you actually arguing it was unfortunate they built beautiful stations and it would have been better if they’d thrown up toilet blocks? Coz they are easier to demolish? Or what?
I am saying that if they had made railways cheaper to run by - for example - building wooden halts at regular intervals rather than Gothic fantasies at distances the economics of rural branch lines might have been rather more helpful and perhaps not quite so many of them would have been shut.
I struggle to see how that could be the case. They would surely have been closed and demolished with less fuss than their more invested-in counterparts.
But ugly stations would have added to the sum of human unhappiness, which apparently is what at least 1/3 of PB desires
Unfortunately, there is a slice of human psyche that finds satisfaction in unhappiness. Plenty of media products, factual and fictional, have grown fat on that insight.
There's also a streak of selfishness and stinginess that says that the public deserve no more than the minimal functionality.
@JosiasJessop is probably right- this was done to a budget, and that budget wasn't enough to stretch to civilising features.
Disabled people might say that being able to access the platforms is a 'civilising' feature. IMO that's what most of the complaints about the structure is: the footbridge, ramps and lifts to allow accessibility to what are already raised platforms.
Architects love this sort of thing. They would have designed a station that cost a billion pounds to build, and would have Leon flooding it with his little man-babies from as far as Lviv. The the client adds constraints. It needs to be accessible. We got fined because some scrote dropped a brick onto the head of someone below. Potential future overhead electrification means we need x amount of headroom. Most of all: we need it for y amount.
And hence architects are *really* limited in what they can do. If you want to (say) drop accessibility requirements, that would both save a lot of money and make it look a lot better. But would also lead to the station not opening because it did not meet requirements.
Again, I'd love people to come up with their alternatives.
Maybe some trees? And a canopy?
How do you get trees on an elevated platform?
Canopies: fair enough, but they are costly. And probably would not be seen on the elevation you first complained about.
I mean trees and canopies in front of the station. The elevation I have provided is the FRONT of the station ffs. Not some ugly loading bay at the back
And yes, amazingly, I like St Pancras
I actually get your point about cost. If this station had a budget of £1m I’d say well ok. There wasn’t much they could do
£35 fucking million. To produce THAT
Also, why on earth are you defending it? Aren’t you a railway geek? People will support railways if they are beautiful or fast or uplifting or impressive, not if they are deliberately depressing, joyless, mean and off putting
Hey @Sunil_Prasannan are you going to visit Britain’s newest railway station?
It’s a thing of beauty alright. Look at that bench. It’s our version of St Pancras
It's just a car park with a station attached. [Edit] Who wants to look at it? You can't even see anything from the platforms cos noise barriers. Or may be wind barriers. No namby pamby canopied roof for the hardy Commuters of Kent, or perhaps they are Kentich Commuters, I can never remember which. Just a few surplus shelters left over from the last but three Brexit processing camp plans.
It’s extraordinarily hideous and unfriendly. How can architects and planners still get away with buildings this bad?
As you note, there is no shelter from the weather. So if you alight from the train and have to wait for a car, taxi (highly likely) and it’s raining: tough shit
Mind boggling
I have seen worse, tbh. Stations east of That London aren't great.
It's also unnecessary now apparently, due to WFH.
But it's in keeping with the utterly thoughtless over-development which is ruining Thanet.
Ngk, I dunno. It isn't great - as you correctly point out, that flat expanse will be bleak and bitter in winter. But it's a parkway, and it's only there to serve the commuters in the local estate. It'll never be loved, but it's functional enough. It's similar to some others I've seen, and better in some cases.
Tell you what. I'll wait for Sunil or Geoff Marshal to go to it and see what they say
Also, what the fuck is this:
“It's only there to serve the commuters in the local estate”
Did the Victorians ever think like that? Did the early designers of the Tube? “Oh it’s only for the locals, put up a brick shed that looks like a prison toilet block”
No. They took care. They also wanted to sell their train lines as things to use. The uplifting or cosy or welcoming station said “come in here, let us whisk you away”
Thanet Parkway…. Does not
Which was in many ways unfortunate, as it meant the railways, particularly lightly used country railways, became much more expensive and inflexible than they needed to be.
Are you actually arguing it was unfortunate they built beautiful stations and it would have been better if they’d thrown up toilet blocks? Coz they are easier to demolish? Or what?
I am saying that if they had made railways cheaper to run by - for example - building wooden halts at regular intervals rather than Gothic fantasies at distances the economics of rural branch lines might have been rather more helpful and perhaps not quite so many of them would have been shut.
I struggle to see how that could be the case. They would surely have been closed and demolished with less fuss than their more invested-in counterparts.
But ugly stations would have added to the sum of human unhappiness, which apparently is what at least 1/3 of PB desires
Unfortunately, there is a slice of human psyche that finds satisfaction in unhappiness. Plenty of media products, factual and fictional, have grown fat on that insight.
There's also a streak of selfishness and stinginess that says that the public deserve no more than the minimal functionality.
@JosiasJessop is probably right- this was done to a budget, and that budget wasn't enough to stretch to civilising features.
Disabled people might say that being able to access the platforms is a 'civilising' feature. IMO that's what most of the complaints about the structure is: the footbridge, ramps and lifts to allow accessibility to what are already raised platforms.
Architects love this sort of thing. They would have designed a station that cost a billion pounds to build, and would have Leon flooding it with his little man-babies from as far as Lviv. The the client adds constraints. It needs to be accessible. We got fined because some scrote dropped a brick onto the head of someone below. Potential future overhead electrification means we need x amount of headroom. Most of all: we need it for y amount.
And hence architects are *really* limited in what they can do. If you want to (say) drop accessibility requirements, that would both save a lot of money and make it look a lot better. But would also lead to the station not opening because it did not meet requirements.
Again, I'd love people to come up with their alternatives.
Someone one posted a list of the facilities at that station above. It seemed very ableist.
Spain forecast to have the fastest growth of major advanced economies this year there, then the US. Next year Canada, France and Germany as well as Spain expected to grow faster than the USA.
India projected to have the fastest global growth overall
Given the mess France is in I struggle to see how they will hit the forecast
All of the clean up after the riots will add to GDP.
Yes but there will then be more strikes and riots so GDP heads south
Hey @Sunil_Prasannan are you going to visit Britain’s newest railway station?
It’s a thing of beauty alright. Look at that bench. It’s our version of St Pancras
It's just a car park with a station attached. [Edit] Who wants to look at it? You can't even see anything from the platforms cos noise barriers. Or may be wind barriers. No namby pamby canopied roof for the hardy Commuters of Kent, or perhaps they are Kentich Commuters, I can never remember which. Just a few surplus shelters left over from the last but three Brexit processing camp plans.
It’s extraordinarily hideous and unfriendly. How can architects and planners still get away with buildings this bad?
As you note, there is no shelter from the weather. So if you alight from the train and have to wait for a car, taxi (highly likely) and it’s raining: tough shit
Mind boggling
I have seen worse, tbh. Stations east of That London aren't great.
It's also unnecessary now apparently, due to WFH.
But it's in keeping with the utterly thoughtless over-development which is ruining Thanet.
Ngk, I dunno. It isn't great - as you correctly point out, that flat expanse will be bleak and bitter in winter. But it's a parkway, and it's only there to serve the commuters in the local estate. It'll never be loved, but it's functional enough. It's similar to some others I've seen, and better in some cases.
Tell you what. I'll wait for Sunil or Geoff Marshal to go to it and see what they say
Also, what the fuck is this:
“It's only there to serve the commuters in the local estate”
Did the Victorians ever think like that? Did the early designers of the Tube? “Oh it’s only for the locals, put up a brick shed that looks like a prison toilet block”
No. They took care. They also wanted to sell their train lines as things to use. The uplifting or cosy or welcoming station said “come in here, let us whisk you away”
Thanet Parkway…. Does not
Which was in many ways unfortunate, as it meant the railways, particularly lightly used country railways, became much more expensive and inflexible than they needed to be.
Are you actually arguing it was unfortunate they built beautiful stations and it would have been better if they’d thrown up toilet blocks? Coz they are easier to demolish? Or what?
I am saying that if they had made railways cheaper to run by - for example - building wooden halts at regular intervals rather than Gothic fantasies at distances the economics of rural branch lines might have been rather more helpful and perhaps not quite so many of them would have been shut.
I struggle to see how that could be the case. They would surely have been closed and demolished with less fuss than their more invested-in counterparts.
But ugly stations would have added to the sum of human unhappiness, which apparently is what at least 1/3 of PB desires
Unfortunately, there is a slice of human psyche that finds satisfaction in unhappiness. Plenty of media products, factual and fictional, have grown fat on that insight.
There's also a streak of selfishness and stinginess that says that the public deserve no more than the minimal functionality.
@JosiasJessop is probably right- this was done to a budget, and that budget wasn't enough to stretch to civilising features.
Disabled people might say that being able to access the platforms is a 'civilising' feature. IMO that's what most of the complaints about the structure is: the footbridge, ramps and lifts to allow accessibility to what are already raised platforms.
Architects love this sort of thing. They would have designed a station that cost a billion pounds to build, and would have Leon flooding it with his little man-babies from as far as Lviv. The the client adds constraints. It needs to be accessible. We got fined because some scrote dropped a brick onto the head of someone below. Potential future overhead electrification means we need x amount of headroom. Most of all: we need it for y amount.
And hence architects are *really* limited in what they can do. If you want to (say) drop accessibility requirements, that would both save a lot of money and make it look a lot better. But would also lead to the station not opening because it did not meet requirements.
Again, I'd love people to come up with their alternatives.
Maybe some trees? And a canopy?
How do you get trees on an elevated platform?
Canopies: fair enough, but they are costly. And probably would not be seen on the elevation you first complained about.
I mean trees and canopies in front of the station. The elevation I have provided is the FRONT of the station ffs. Not some ugly loading bay at the back
And yes, amazingly, I like St Pancras
I actually get your point about cost. If this station had a budget of £1m I’d say well ok. There wasn’t much they could do
£35 fucking million. To produce THAT
Also, why on earth are you defending it? Aren’t you a railway geek? People will support railways if they beautiful or fast or uplifting or impressive, not if they are deliberately depressing, joyless, mean and off putting
Hey @Sunil_Prasannan are you going to visit Britain’s newest railway station?
It’s a thing of beauty alright. Look at that bench. It’s our version of St Pancras
It's just a car park with a station attached. [Edit] Who wants to look at it? You can't even see anything from the platforms cos noise barriers. Or may be wind barriers. No namby pamby canopied roof for the hardy Commuters of Kent, or perhaps they are Kentich Commuters, I can never remember which. Just a few surplus shelters left over from the last but three Brexit processing camp plans.
It’s extraordinarily hideous and unfriendly. How can architects and planners still get away with buildings this bad?
As you note, there is no shelter from the weather. So if you alight from the train and have to wait for a car, taxi (highly likely) and it’s raining: tough shit
Mind boggling
I have seen worse, tbh. Stations east of That London aren't great.
It's also unnecessary now apparently, due to WFH.
But it's in keeping with the utterly thoughtless over-development which is ruining Thanet.
Ngk, I dunno. It isn't great - as you correctly point out, that flat expanse will be bleak and bitter in winter. But it's a parkway, and it's only there to serve the commuters in the local estate. It'll never be loved, but it's functional enough. It's similar to some others I've seen, and better in some cases.
Tell you what. I'll wait for Sunil or Geoff Marshal to go to it and see what they say
Also, what the fuck is this:
“It's only there to serve the commuters in the local estate”
Did the Victorians ever think like that? Did the early designers of the Tube? “Oh it’s only for the locals, put up a brick shed that looks like a prison toilet block”
No. They took care. They also wanted to sell their train lines as things to use. The uplifting or cosy or welcoming station said “come in here, let us whisk you away”
Thanet Parkway…. Does not
Which was in many ways unfortunate, as it meant the railways, particularly lightly used country railways, became much more expensive and inflexible than they needed to be.
Are you actually arguing it was unfortunate they built beautiful stations and it would have been better if they’d thrown up toilet blocks? Coz they are easier to demolish? Or what?
I am saying that if they had made railways cheaper to run by - for example - building wooden halts at regular intervals rather than Gothic fantasies at distances the economics of rural branch lines might have been rather more helpful and perhaps not quite so many of them would have been shut.
I struggle to see how that could be the case. They would surely have been closed and demolished with less fuss than their more invested-in counterparts.
But ugly stations would have added to the sum of human unhappiness, which apparently is what at least 1/3 of PB desires
Unfortunately, there is a slice of human psyche that finds satisfaction in unhappiness. Plenty of media products, factual and fictional, have grown fat on that insight.
There's also a streak of selfishness and stinginess that says that the public deserve no more than the minimal functionality.
@JosiasJessop is probably right- this was done to a budget, and that budget wasn't enough to stretch to civilising features.
Disabled people might say that being able to access the platforms is a 'civilising' feature. IMO that's what most of the complaints about the structure is: the footbridge, ramps and lifts to allow accessibility to what are already raised platforms.
Architects love this sort of thing. They would have designed a station that cost a billion pounds to build, and would have Leon flooding it with his little man-babies from as far as Lviv. The the client adds constraints. It needs to be accessible. We got fined because some scrote dropped a brick onto the head of someone below. Potential future overhead electrification means we need x amount of headroom. Most of all: we need it for y amount.
And hence architects are *really* limited in what they can do. If you want to (say) drop accessibility requirements, that would both save a lot of money and make it look a lot better. But would also lead to the station not opening because it did not meet requirements.
Again, I'd love people to come up with their alternatives.
Maybe some trees? And a canopy?
How do you get trees on an elevated platform?
Canopies: fair enough, but they are costly. And probably would not be seen on the elevation you first complained about.
At a number of tube stations in London, staff have been official organised to do gardening stuff. Some platforms have fair sized potted palm trees and some really nice flowers.
The completely boxed in, brick staircase would get some negative comments from experts in women friendly architecture. Which is a serious thing.
Hey @Sunil_Prasannan are you going to visit Britain’s newest railway station?
It’s a thing of beauty alright. Look at that bench. It’s our version of St Pancras
It's just a car park with a station attached. [Edit] Who wants to look at it? You can't even see anything from the platforms cos noise barriers. Or may be wind barriers. No namby pamby canopied roof for the hardy Commuters of Kent, or perhaps they are Kentich Commuters, I can never remember which. Just a few surplus shelters left over from the last but three Brexit processing camp plans.
It’s extraordinarily hideous and unfriendly. How can architects and planners still get away with buildings this bad?
As you note, there is no shelter from the weather. So if you alight from the train and have to wait for a car, taxi (highly likely) and it’s raining: tough shit
Mind boggling
I have seen worse, tbh. Stations east of That London aren't great.
It's also unnecessary now apparently, due to WFH.
But it's in keeping with the utterly thoughtless over-development which is ruining Thanet.
Ngk, I dunno. It isn't great - as you correctly point out, that flat expanse will be bleak and bitter in winter. But it's a parkway, and it's only there to serve the commuters in the local estate. It'll never be loved, but it's functional enough. It's similar to some others I've seen, and better in some cases.
Tell you what. I'll wait for Sunil or Geoff Marshal to go to it and see what they say
Also, what the fuck is this:
“It's only there to serve the commuters in the local estate”
Did the Victorians ever think like that? Did the early designers of the Tube? “Oh it’s only for the locals, put up a brick shed that looks like a prison toilet block”
No. They took care. They also wanted to sell their train lines as things to use. The uplifting or cosy or welcoming station said “come in here, let us whisk you away”
Thanet Parkway…. Does not
Which was in many ways unfortunate, as it meant the railways, particularly lightly used country railways, became much more expensive and inflexible than they needed to be.
Are you actually arguing it was unfortunate they built beautiful stations and it would have been better if they’d thrown up toilet blocks? Coz they are easier to demolish? Or what?
I am saying that if they had made railways cheaper to run by - for example - building wooden halts at regular intervals rather than Gothic fantasies at distances the economics of rural branch lines might have been rather more helpful and perhaps not quite so many of them would have been shut.
I struggle to see how that could be the case. They would surely have been closed and demolished with less fuss than their more invested-in counterparts.
But ugly stations would have added to the sum of human unhappiness, which apparently is what at least 1/3 of PB desires
Unfortunately, there is a slice of human psyche that finds satisfaction in unhappiness. Plenty of media products, factual and fictional, have grown fat on that insight.
There's also a streak of selfishness and stinginess that says that the public deserve no more than the minimal functionality.
@JosiasJessop is probably right- this was done to a budget, and that budget wasn't enough to stretch to civilising features.
Disabled people might say that being able to access the platforms is a 'civilising' feature. IMO that's what most of the complaints about the structure is: the footbridge, ramps and lifts to allow accessibility to what are already raised platforms.
Architects love this sort of thing. They would have designed a station that cost a billion pounds to build, and would have Leon flooding it with his little man-babies from as far as Lviv. The the client adds constraints. It needs to be accessible. We got fined because some scrote dropped a brick onto the head of someone below. Potential future overhead electrification means we need x amount of headroom. Most of all: we need it for y amount.
And hence architects are *really* limited in what they can do. If you want to (say) drop accessibility requirements, that would both save a lot of money and make it look a lot better. But would also lead to the station not opening because it did not meet requirements.
Again, I'd love people to come up with their alternatives.
Maybe some trees? And a canopy?
How do you get trees on an elevated platform?
Canopies: fair enough, but they are costly. And probably would not be seen on the elevation you first complained about.
I mean trees and canopies in front of the station. The elevation I have provided is the FRONT of the station ffs. Not some ugly loading bay at the back
And yes, amazingly, I like St Pancras
I actually get your point about cost. If this station had a budget of £1m I’d say well ok. There wasn’t much they could do
£35 fucking million. To produce THAT
Also, why on earth are you defending it? Aren’t you a railway geek? People will support railways if they beautiful or fast or uplifting or impressive, not if they are deliberately depressing, joyless, mean and off putting
Ditto all developments
Not exactly Adlestrop.
Which would have had at least a stationmaster, tocket office clerk or two, and a porter or two, plus probably a couple of signalmen on shift, when it was built.
Imagine being there, or at Thanet Parkway, in a dark winter evening with nobody around.
Edit: except that at Adlestrop there was the resident stationmaster with his family in his house, and probably some other staff.
re; Ron DeSantis, hope that anyone who was injured in automobile accident is OK, and wish them speedy recovery.
That said, rather ironic seeing has how RDS campaign IS a car crash, politically speaking.
Worth noting that so was John McCain's campaign in 2007 . . . before he made his major course correction that led to JMcC winning the 2008 GOP nomination.
On the OTHER hand, the car crash that was Rudy Giuliani's campaign that same cycle, led to . . . a truly spectacular pile-up just over a decade later, featuring an actual junk-yard . . . and a pack of truly vicious junk-yard curs . . .
The most interesting candidate atm is RFK,
Interesting? Yes. Yes, he is certainly that.
Ah yes, I forgot, in leftiyland diversity = more conformity. Wouldnt do to have different viewpoints,
If you count mendacious grifters, sure.
Im struggling to think of a US politician who doesnt fit your catch all.
Joe Biden isn't.
I shall refuse that bait
Good call since here's what the words mean:
Mendacious = An habitual liar. Grifter = Interested only in personal gain and gratification.
Biden fits neither. He just doesn't. It's not even a matter of opinion.
It quite clearly is as millions of americans will testify.
The MAGA crowd, yes. They probably do believe Biden lies all the time and has a billion dollars stashed away from 50 years of venal corruption in public life. They believe lots of palpable nonsense, let's face it. But this is not what I mean by 'opinion'. For me an opinion is a view (fruity or not) that's defensible and grounded in reality. 'Joe Biden is a mendacious grifter' doesn't qualify. It just doesn't.
re; Ron DeSantis, hope that anyone who was injured in automobile accident is OK, and wish them speedy recovery.
That said, rather ironic seeing has how RDS campaign IS a car crash, politically speaking.
Worth noting that so was John McCain's campaign in 2007 . . . before he made his major course correction that led to JMcC winning the 2008 GOP nomination.
On the OTHER hand, the car crash that was Rudy Giuliani's campaign that same cycle, led to . . . a truly spectacular pile-up just over a decade later, featuring an actual junk-yard . . . and a pack of truly vicious junk-yard curs . . .
The most interesting candidate atm is RFK,
Is he though? He seems like a pretty bog standard conspiracist anti-establishment type. Unconventional compared to others (less so than it used to be, given the election deniers etc), but predictable all the same.
Hey @Sunil_Prasannan are you going to visit Britain’s newest railway station?
It’s a thing of beauty alright. Look at that bench. It’s our version of St Pancras
It's just a car park with a station attached. [Edit] Who wants to look at it? You can't even see anything from the platforms cos noise barriers. Or may be wind barriers. No namby pamby canopied roof for the hardy Commuters of Kent, or perhaps they are Kentich Commuters, I can never remember which. Just a few surplus shelters left over from the last but three Brexit processing camp plans.
It’s extraordinarily hideous and unfriendly. How can architects and planners still get away with buildings this bad?
As you note, there is no shelter from the weather. So if you alight from the train and have to wait for a car, taxi (highly likely) and it’s raining: tough shit
Mind boggling
I have seen worse, tbh. Stations east of That London aren't great.
It's also unnecessary now apparently, due to WFH.
But it's in keeping with the utterly thoughtless over-development which is ruining Thanet.
Ngk, I dunno. It isn't great - as you correctly point out, that flat expanse will be bleak and bitter in winter. But it's a parkway, and it's only there to serve the commuters in the local estate. It'll never be loved, but it's functional enough. It's similar to some others I've seen, and better in some cases.
Tell you what. I'll wait for Sunil or Geoff Marshal to go to it and see what they say
Also, what the fuck is this:
“It's only there to serve the commuters in the local estate”
Did the Victorians ever think like that? Did the early designers of the Tube? “Oh it’s only for the locals, put up a brick shed that looks like a prison toilet block”
No. They took care. They also wanted to sell their train lines as things to use. The uplifting or cosy or welcoming station said “come in here, let us whisk you away”
Thanet Parkway…. Does not
Which was in many ways unfortunate, as it meant the railways, particularly lightly used country railways, became much more expensive and inflexible than they needed to be.
Are you actually arguing it was unfortunate they built beautiful stations and it would have been better if they’d thrown up toilet blocks? Coz they are easier to demolish? Or what?
I am saying that if they had made railways cheaper to run by - for example - building wooden halts at regular intervals rather than Gothic fantasies at distances the economics of rural branch lines might have been rather more helpful and perhaps not quite so many of them would have been shut.
I struggle to see how that could be the case. They would surely have been closed and demolished with less fuss than their more invested-in counterparts.
Because they would have had higher passenger numbers and lower running costs.
Hey @Sunil_Prasannan are you going to visit Britain’s newest railway station?
It’s a thing of beauty alright. Look at that bench. It’s our version of St Pancras
It's just a car park with a station attached. [Edit] Who wants to look at it? You can't even see anything from the platforms cos noise barriers. Or may be wind barriers. No namby pamby canopied roof for the hardy Commuters of Kent, or perhaps they are Kentich Commuters, I can never remember which. Just a few surplus shelters left over from the last but three Brexit processing camp plans.
It’s extraordinarily hideous and unfriendly. How can architects and planners still get away with buildings this bad?
As you note, there is no shelter from the weather. So if you alight from the train and have to wait for a car, taxi (highly likely) and it’s raining: tough shit
Mind boggling
I have seen worse, tbh. Stations east of That London aren't great.
It's also unnecessary now apparently, due to WFH.
But it's in keeping with the utterly thoughtless over-development which is ruining Thanet.
Ngk, I dunno. It isn't great - as you correctly point out, that flat expanse will be bleak and bitter in winter. But it's a parkway, and it's only there to serve the commuters in the local estate. It'll never be loved, but it's functional enough. It's similar to some others I've seen, and better in some cases.
Tell you what. I'll wait for Sunil or Geoff Marshal to go to it and see what they say
Why the fuck is “functional enough” ever acceptable?!
I find mindsets like yours entirely incomprehensible
When I am working away I travel hundreds of miles by train at inconvenient hours with unpleasant people each week. You fly from point to point on expenses. When you go cattle-truck class it's an adventure. When I go cattle-truck class it's Sunday. Things like being clean, dry, warm, arriving on time, having a friendly guard, possibly a place to sit down and have a cup of tea and not be stabbed/panhandled/shit myself are priorities for me. Things like chocolates on pillows and the nearest whorehouse are priorities for you.
Yes, we are mutually incomprehensible. Why is this a surprise?
But you won’t be clean dry and warm at that station, as Thanet Parkway has no waiting room
Hey @Sunil_Prasannan are you going to visit Britain’s newest railway station?
It’s a thing of beauty alright. Look at that bench. It’s our version of St Pancras
It's just a car park with a station attached. [Edit] Who wants to look at it? You can't even see anything from the platforms cos noise barriers. Or may be wind barriers. No namby pamby canopied roof for the hardy Commuters of Kent, or perhaps they are Kentich Commuters, I can never remember which. Just a few surplus shelters left over from the last but three Brexit processing camp plans.
It’s extraordinarily hideous and unfriendly. How can architects and planners still get away with buildings this bad?
As you note, there is no shelter from the weather. So if you alight from the train and have to wait for a car, taxi (highly likely) and it’s raining: tough shit
Mind boggling
I have seen worse, tbh. Stations east of That London aren't great.
It's also unnecessary now apparently, due to WFH.
But it's in keeping with the utterly thoughtless over-development which is ruining Thanet.
Ngk, I dunno. It isn't great - as you correctly point out, that flat expanse will be bleak and bitter in winter. But it's a parkway, and it's only there to serve the commuters in the local estate. It'll never be loved, but it's functional enough. It's similar to some others I've seen, and better in some cases.
Tell you what. I'll wait for Sunil or Geoff Marshal to go to it and see what they say
Why the fuck is “functional enough” ever acceptable?!
I find mindsets like yours entirely incomprehensible
When I am working away I travel hundreds of miles by train at inconvenient hours with unpleasant people each week. You fly from point to point on expenses. When you go cattle-truck class it's an adventure. When I go cattle-truck class it's Sunday. Things like being clean, dry, warm, arriving on time, having a friendly guard, possibly a place to sit down and have a cup of tea and not be stabbed/panhandled/shit myself are priorities for me. Things like chocolates on pillows and the nearest whorehouse are priorities for you.
Yes, we are mutually incomprehensible. Why is this a surprise?
But you won’t be clean dry and warm at that station, as Thanet Parkway has no waiting room, and no place to shelter from the weather, and nowhere to get a cup of tea
So even by your bizarre, lowbrow, masochistic and dreary standards, it fails as architecture
Hey @Sunil_Prasannan are you going to visit Britain’s newest railway station?
It’s a thing of beauty alright. Look at that bench. It’s our version of St Pancras
It's just a car park with a station attached. [Edit] Who wants to look at it? You can't even see anything from the platforms cos noise barriers. Or may be wind barriers. No namby pamby canopied roof for the hardy Commuters of Kent, or perhaps they are Kentich Commuters, I can never remember which. Just a few surplus shelters left over from the last but three Brexit processing camp plans.
It’s extraordinarily hideous and unfriendly. How can architects and planners still get away with buildings this bad?
As you note, there is no shelter from the weather. So if you alight from the train and have to wait for a car, taxi (highly likely) and it’s raining: tough shit
Mind boggling
I have seen worse, tbh. Stations east of That London aren't great.
It's also unnecessary now apparently, due to WFH.
But it's in keeping with the utterly thoughtless over-development which is ruining Thanet.
Ngk, I dunno. It isn't great - as you correctly point out, that flat expanse will be bleak and bitter in winter. But it's a parkway, and it's only there to serve the commuters in the local estate. It'll never be loved, but it's functional enough. It's similar to some others I've seen, and better in some cases.
Tell you what. I'll wait for Sunil or Geoff Marshal to go to it and see what they say
Also, what the fuck is this:
“It's only there to serve the commuters in the local estate”
Did the Victorians ever think like that? Did the early designers of the Tube? “Oh it’s only for the locals, put up a brick shed that looks like a prison toilet block”
No. They took care. They also wanted to sell their train lines as things to use. The uplifting or cosy or welcoming station said “come in here, let us whisk you away”
Thanet Parkway…. Does not
Which was in many ways unfortunate, as it meant the railways, particularly lightly used country railways, became much more expensive and inflexible than they needed to be.
Are you actually arguing it was unfortunate they built beautiful stations and it would have been better if they’d thrown up toilet blocks? Coz they are easier to demolish? Or what?
I am saying that if they had made railways cheaper to run by - for example - building wooden halts at regular intervals rather than Gothic fantasies at distances the economics of rural branch lines might have been rather more helpful and perhaps not quite so many of them would have been shut.
I struggle to see how that could be the case. They would surely have been closed and demolished with less fuss than their more invested-in counterparts.
But ugly stations would have added to the sum of human unhappiness, which apparently is what at least 1/3 of PB desires
Unfortunately, there is a slice of human psyche that finds satisfaction in unhappiness. Plenty of media products, factual and fictional, have grown fat on that insight.
There's also a streak of selfishness and stinginess that says that the public deserve no more than the minimal functionality.
@JosiasJessop is probably right- this was done to a budget, and that budget wasn't enough to stretch to civilising features.
Disabled people might say that being able to access the platforms is a 'civilising' feature. IMO that's what most of the complaints about the structure is: the footbridge, ramps and lifts to allow accessibility to what are already raised platforms.
Architects love this sort of thing. They would have designed a station that cost a billion pounds to build, and would have Leon flooding it with his little man-babies from as far as Lviv. The the client adds constraints. It needs to be accessible. We got fined because some scrote dropped a brick onto the head of someone below. Potential future overhead electrification means we need x amount of headroom. Most of all: we need it for y amount.
And hence architects are *really* limited in what they can do. If you want to (say) drop accessibility requirements, that would both save a lot of money and make it look a lot better. But would also lead to the station not opening because it did not meet requirements.
Again, I'd love people to come up with their alternatives.
Maybe some trees? And a canopy?
How do you get trees on an elevated platform?
Canopies: fair enough, but they are costly. And probably would not be seen on the elevation you first complained about.
At a number of tube stations in London, staff have been official organised to do gardening stuff. Some platforms have fair sized potted palm trees and some really nice flowers.
The completely boxed in, brick staircase would get some negative comments from experts in women friendly architecture. Which is a serious thing.
Yes. If it’s raining and you’re waiting for a taxi you’d have to shelter in the boxed in staircase. Inviting assault or rape
Obviously the £35 MILLION budget couldn’t run to a simple, well lit external canopy with a camera where criminals might feel less able and likely to mug or rape you
re; Ron DeSantis, hope that anyone who was injured in automobile accident is OK, and wish them speedy recovery.
That said, rather ironic seeing has how RDS campaign IS a car crash, politically speaking.
Worth noting that so was John McCain's campaign in 2007 . . . before he made his major course correction that led to JMcC winning the 2008 GOP nomination.
On the OTHER hand, the car crash that was Rudy Giuliani's campaign that same cycle, led to . . . a truly spectacular pile-up just over a decade later, featuring an actual junk-yard . . . and a pack of truly vicious junk-yard curs . . .
The most interesting candidate atm is RFK,
Interesting? Yes. Yes, he is certainly that.
Ah yes, I forgot, in leftiyland diversity = more conformity. Wouldnt do to have different viewpoints,
If you count mendacious grifters, sure.
Im struggling to think of a US politician who doesnt fit your catch all.
Joe Biden isn't.
I shall refuse that bait
Good call since here's what the words mean:
Mendacious = An habitual liar. Grifter = Interested only in personal gain and gratification.
Biden fits neither. He just doesn't. It's not even a matter of opinion.
It quite clearly is as millions of americans will testify.
The MAGA crowd, yes. They probably do believe Biden lies all the time and has a billion dollars stashed away from 50 years of venal corruption in public life. They believe lots of palpable nonsense, let's face it. But this is not what I mean by 'opinion'. For me an opinion is a view (fruity or not) that's defensible and grounded in reality. 'Joe Biden is a mendacious grifter' doesn't qualify. It just doesn't.
Spain forecast to have the fastest growth of major advanced economies this year there, then the US. Next year Canada, France and Germany as well as Spain expected to grow faster than the USA.
India projected to have the fastest global growth overall
Given the mess France is in I struggle to see how they will hit the forecast
Conservatives supporting Macron's economic reforms in the French Parliament even if Socialists and Le Pen's party opposed
Hey @Sunil_Prasannan are you going to visit Britain’s newest railway station?
It’s a thing of beauty alright. Look at that bench. It’s our version of St Pancras
It's just a car park with a station attached. [Edit] Who wants to look at it? You can't even see anything from the platforms cos noise barriers. Or may be wind barriers. No namby pamby canopied roof for the hardy Commuters of Kent, or perhaps they are Kentich Commuters, I can never remember which. Just a few surplus shelters left over from the last but three Brexit processing camp plans.
It’s extraordinarily hideous and unfriendly. How can architects and planners still get away with buildings this bad?
As you note, there is no shelter from the weather. So if you alight from the train and have to wait for a car, taxi (highly likely) and it’s raining: tough shit
Mind boggling
I have seen worse, tbh. Stations east of That London aren't great.
It's also unnecessary now apparently, due to WFH.
But it's in keeping with the utterly thoughtless over-development which is ruining Thanet.
Ngk, I dunno. It isn't great - as you correctly point out, that flat expanse will be bleak and bitter in winter. But it's a parkway, and it's only there to serve the commuters in the local estate. It'll never be loved, but it's functional enough. It's similar to some others I've seen, and better in some cases.
Tell you what. I'll wait for Sunil or Geoff Marshal to go to it and see what they say
Also, what the fuck is this:
“It's only there to serve the commuters in the local estate”
Did the Victorians ever think like that? Did the early designers of the Tube? “Oh it’s only for the locals, put up a brick shed that looks like a prison toilet block”
No. They took care. They also wanted to sell their train lines as things to use. The uplifting or cosy or welcoming station said “come in here, let us whisk you away”
Thanet Parkway…. Does not
Which was in many ways unfortunate, as it meant the railways, particularly lightly used country railways, became much more expensive and inflexible than they needed to be.
Are you actually arguing it was unfortunate they built beautiful stations and it would have been better if they’d thrown up toilet blocks? Coz they are easier to demolish? Or what?
I am saying that if they had made railways cheaper to run by - for example - building wooden halts at regular intervals rather than Gothic fantasies at distances the economics of rural branch lines might have been rather more helpful and perhaps not quite so many of them would have been shut.
Leon probably loves St Pancras. Yet the building of St Pancras cost the Midland Railway so much, that the northern extension to Manchester a decade later was done on a shoestring. Manchester Central therefore had a brilliant overall roof, but a load of 'temporary' wooden buildings - a wooden 1970s Kings Cross - in front of it. Which were so temporary that they lasted until the closure of the station, eighty years later.
I have to admit, I also love St Pancras. And Bristol Temple Meads. And the ridiculous Aberystwyth Station. And the Kilsby Vents. And I'm sure I would have stood in awe before the Euston Arch.
I also consider Birmingham New Street, Gloucester, Euston and Stafford stations to be shitheaps, because they are.
It's just I love actual railways slightly more than I love good architecture, and wish we could have run them less extravagantly so they made more money. That way, they might have avoided the clutches of the odious pen-pushers of the DfT.
But Shappsy is getting some big anti- green wins against woke Labour.
They might be disingenuous wins, but a win is a win.
Kicking a ball into an empty net is easy, unless you're Diana Ross.
Labour needs to find the backbone to defend its policies and to explain them. The Tories might have more trouble then.
Indeed. ULEZ for instance isn't a particularly difficult sell. Sell it to breathers of air, not drivers of cars. Wouldn't you like to go out and about and not be poisoned by deadly particulates?
Complaining about having to justify your own policy isn't a good look.
I think it fair to say that California's Gavin Newsom under performs, given how Democratic that state is. (Perhaps he should invite more people to join him at the French Laundry.)
What I find interesting is that three of the most popular Governors are in States that don't - errr... - swing their way:
Andy Bashear (D) in Kentucky Chris Sununu (R) in New Hampshire Phil Scott (R) in Vermont
It's also interesting that not a single Governor has negative net approval ratings.
Hey @Sunil_Prasannan are you going to visit Britain’s newest railway station?
It’s a thing of beauty alright. Look at that bench. It’s our version of St Pancras
It's just a car park with a station attached. [Edit] Who wants to look at it? You can't even see anything from the platforms cos noise barriers. Or may be wind barriers. No namby pamby canopied roof for the hardy Commuters of Kent, or perhaps they are Kentich Commuters, I can never remember which. Just a few surplus shelters left over from the last but three Brexit processing camp plans.
It’s extraordinarily hideous and unfriendly. How can architects and planners still get away with buildings this bad?
As you note, there is no shelter from the weather. So if you alight from the train and have to wait for a car, taxi (highly likely) and it’s raining: tough shit
Mind boggling
I have seen worse, tbh. Stations east of That London aren't great.
It's also unnecessary now apparently, due to WFH.
But it's in keeping with the utterly thoughtless over-development which is ruining Thanet.
Ngk, I dunno. It isn't great - as you correctly point out, that flat expanse will be bleak and bitter in winter. But it's a parkway, and it's only there to serve the commuters in the local estate. It'll never be loved, but it's functional enough. It's similar to some others I've seen, and better in some cases.
Tell you what. I'll wait for Sunil or Geoff Marshal to go to it and see what they say
Why the fuck is “functional enough” ever acceptable?!
I find mindsets like yours entirely incomprehensible
When I am working away I travel hundreds of miles by train at inconvenient hours with unpleasant people each week. You fly from point to point on expenses. When you go cattle-truck class it's an adventure. When I go cattle-truck class it's Sunday. Things like being clean, dry, warm, arriving on time, having a friendly guard, possibly a place to sit down and have a cup of tea and not be stabbed/panhandled/shit myself are priorities for me. Things like chocolates on pillows and the nearest whorehouse are priorities for you.
Yes, we are mutually incomprehensible. Why is this a surprise?
But you won’t be clean dry and warm at that station, as Thanet Parkway has no waiting room
Hey @Sunil_Prasannan are you going to visit Britain’s newest railway station?
It’s a thing of beauty alright. Look at that bench. It’s our version of St Pancras
It's just a car park with a station attached. [Edit] Who wants to look at it? You can't even see anything from the platforms cos noise barriers. Or may be wind barriers. No namby pamby canopied roof for the hardy Commuters of Kent, or perhaps they are Kentich Commuters, I can never remember which. Just a few surplus shelters left over from the last but three Brexit processing camp plans.
It’s extraordinarily hideous and unfriendly. How can architects and planners still get away with buildings this bad?
As you note, there is no shelter from the weather. So if you alight from the train and have to wait for a car, taxi (highly likely) and it’s raining: tough shit
Mind boggling
I have seen worse, tbh. Stations east of That London aren't great.
It's also unnecessary now apparently, due to WFH.
But it's in keeping with the utterly thoughtless over-development which is ruining Thanet.
Ngk, I dunno. It isn't great - as you correctly point out, that flat expanse will be bleak and bitter in winter. But it's a parkway, and it's only there to serve the commuters in the local estate. It'll never be loved, but it's functional enough. It's similar to some others I've seen, and better in some cases.
Tell you what. I'll wait for Sunil or Geoff Marshal to go to it and see what they say
Why the fuck is “functional enough” ever acceptable?!
I find mindsets like yours entirely incomprehensible
When I am working away I travel hundreds of miles by train at inconvenient hours with unpleasant people each week. You fly from point to point on expenses. When you go cattle-truck class it's an adventure. When I go cattle-truck class it's Sunday. Things like being clean, dry, warm, arriving on time, having a friendly guard, possibly a place to sit down and have a cup of tea and not be stabbed/panhandled/shit myself are priorities for me. Things like chocolates on pillows and the nearest whorehouse are priorities for you.
Yes, we are mutually incomprehensible. Why is this a surprise?
But you won’t be clean dry and warm at that station, as Thanet Parkway has no waiting room, and no place to shelter from the weather, and nowhere to get a cup of tea
So even by your bizarre, lowbrow, masochistic and dreary standards, it fails as architecture
It doesn’t have any covered waiting area. I checked the station website
NO ACCESSIBLE TOILETS!!!
Fuck it. Bomb it flat.
(Have disabled rellies)
I didn't think that was even legal. I thought all new buildings had to have them.
I don’t think it has any toilets. That’s the point. It has no waiting room, no proper entrance, no refreshment, no sheltered seating, no trees, no landscaping, no canopy, nothing at all: the whole design is - I believe - meant to be as ugly and uninviting as possible so no one is tempted to linger a moment more than they have to
How nice for the local commuters. Going there every day
re; Ron DeSantis, hope that anyone who was injured in automobile accident is OK, and wish them speedy recovery.
That said, rather ironic seeing has how RDS campaign IS a car crash, politically speaking.
Worth noting that so was John McCain's campaign in 2007 . . . before he made his major course correction that led to JMcC winning the 2008 GOP nomination.
On the OTHER hand, the car crash that was Rudy Giuliani's campaign that same cycle, led to . . . a truly spectacular pile-up just over a decade later, featuring an actual junk-yard . . . and a pack of truly vicious junk-yard curs . . .
The most interesting candidate atm is RFK,
Is he though? He seems like a pretty bog standard conspiracist anti-establishment type. Unconventional compared to others (less so than it used to be, given the election deniers etc), but predictable all the same.
The question is who will give the US the change it needs, Biden and Trump both are status quo men, RDS or RFK might change something. who knows ?
Hey @Sunil_Prasannan are you going to visit Britain’s newest railway station?
It’s a thing of beauty alright. Look at that bench. It’s our version of St Pancras
It's just a car park with a station attached. [Edit] Who wants to look at it? You can't even see anything from the platforms cos noise barriers. Or may be wind barriers. No namby pamby canopied roof for the hardy Commuters of Kent, or perhaps they are Kentich Commuters, I can never remember which. Just a few surplus shelters left over from the last but three Brexit processing camp plans.
It’s extraordinarily hideous and unfriendly. How can architects and planners still get away with buildings this bad?
As you note, there is no shelter from the weather. So if you alight from the train and have to wait for a car, taxi (highly likely) and it’s raining: tough shit
Mind boggling
I have seen worse, tbh. Stations east of That London aren't great.
It's also unnecessary now apparently, due to WFH.
But it's in keeping with the utterly thoughtless over-development which is ruining Thanet.
Ngk, I dunno. It isn't great - as you correctly point out, that flat expanse will be bleak and bitter in winter. But it's a parkway, and it's only there to serve the commuters in the local estate. It'll never be loved, but it's functional enough. It's similar to some others I've seen, and better in some cases.
Tell you what. I'll wait for Sunil or Geoff Marshal to go to it and see what they say
Why the fuck is “functional enough” ever acceptable?!
I find mindsets like yours entirely incomprehensible
When I am working away I travel hundreds of miles by train at inconvenient hours with unpleasant people each week. You fly from point to point on expenses. When you go cattle-truck class it's an adventure. When I go cattle-truck class it's Sunday. Things like being clean, dry, warm, arriving on time, having a friendly guard, possibly a place to sit down and have a cup of tea and not be stabbed/panhandled/shit myself are priorities for me. Things like chocolates on pillows and the nearest whorehouse are priorities for you.
Yes, we are mutually incomprehensible. Why is this a surprise?
But you won’t be clean dry and warm at that station, as Thanet Parkway has no waiting room
Hey @Sunil_Prasannan are you going to visit Britain’s newest railway station?
It’s a thing of beauty alright. Look at that bench. It’s our version of St Pancras
It's just a car park with a station attached. [Edit] Who wants to look at it? You can't even see anything from the platforms cos noise barriers. Or may be wind barriers. No namby pamby canopied roof for the hardy Commuters of Kent, or perhaps they are Kentich Commuters, I can never remember which. Just a few surplus shelters left over from the last but three Brexit processing camp plans.
It’s extraordinarily hideous and unfriendly. How can architects and planners still get away with buildings this bad?
As you note, there is no shelter from the weather. So if you alight from the train and have to wait for a car, taxi (highly likely) and it’s raining: tough shit
Mind boggling
I have seen worse, tbh. Stations east of That London aren't great.
It's also unnecessary now apparently, due to WFH.
But it's in keeping with the utterly thoughtless over-development which is ruining Thanet.
Ngk, I dunno. It isn't great - as you correctly point out, that flat expanse will be bleak and bitter in winter. But it's a parkway, and it's only there to serve the commuters in the local estate. It'll never be loved, but it's functional enough. It's similar to some others I've seen, and better in some cases.
Tell you what. I'll wait for Sunil or Geoff Marshal to go to it and see what they say
Why the fuck is “functional enough” ever acceptable?!
I find mindsets like yours entirely incomprehensible
When I am working away I travel hundreds of miles by train at inconvenient hours with unpleasant people each week. You fly from point to point on expenses. When you go cattle-truck class it's an adventure. When I go cattle-truck class it's Sunday. Things like being clean, dry, warm, arriving on time, having a friendly guard, possibly a place to sit down and have a cup of tea and not be stabbed/panhandled/shit myself are priorities for me. Things like chocolates on pillows and the nearest whorehouse are priorities for you.
Yes, we are mutually incomprehensible. Why is this a surprise?
But you won’t be clean dry and warm at that station, as Thanet Parkway has no waiting room, and no place to shelter from the weather, and nowhere to get a cup of tea
So even by your bizarre, lowbrow, masochistic and dreary standards, it fails as architecture
Spain forecast to have the fastest growth of major advanced economies this year there, then the US. Next year Canada, France and Germany as well as Spain expected to grow faster than the USA.
India projected to have the fastest global growth overall
Given the mess France is in I struggle to see how they will hit the forecast
Conservatives supporting Macron's economic reforms in the French Parliament even if Socialists and Le Pen's party opposed
LR are shit scared of being dragged down by Macron, their support is tenuous at best.
re; Ron DeSantis, hope that anyone who was injured in automobile accident is OK, and wish them speedy recovery.
That said, rather ironic seeing has how RDS campaign IS a car crash, politically speaking.
Worth noting that so was John McCain's campaign in 2007 . . . before he made his major course correction that led to JMcC winning the 2008 GOP nomination.
On the OTHER hand, the car crash that was Rudy Giuliani's campaign that same cycle, led to . . . a truly spectacular pile-up just over a decade later, featuring an actual junk-yard . . . and a pack of truly vicious junk-yard curs . . .
The most interesting candidate atm is RFK,
Is he though? He seems like a pretty bog standard conspiracist anti-establishment type. Unconventional compared to others (less so than it used to be, given the election deniers etc), but predictable all the same.
The question is who will give the US the change it needs, Biden and Trump both are status quo men, RDS or RFK might change something. who knows ?
RFK believes that Covid was engineered not to kill Jews.
Hey @Sunil_Prasannan are you going to visit Britain’s newest railway station?
It’s a thing of beauty alright. Look at that bench. It’s our version of St Pancras
It's just a car park with a station attached. [Edit] Who wants to look at it? You can't even see anything from the platforms cos noise barriers. Or may be wind barriers. No namby pamby canopied roof for the hardy Commuters of Kent, or perhaps they are Kentich Commuters, I can never remember which. Just a few surplus shelters left over from the last but three Brexit processing camp plans.
It’s extraordinarily hideous and unfriendly. How can architects and planners still get away with buildings this bad?
As you note, there is no shelter from the weather. So if you alight from the train and have to wait for a car, taxi (highly likely) and it’s raining: tough shit
Mind boggling
I have seen worse, tbh. Stations east of That London aren't great.
It's also unnecessary now apparently, due to WFH.
But it's in keeping with the utterly thoughtless over-development which is ruining Thanet.
Ngk, I dunno. It isn't great - as you correctly point out, that flat expanse will be bleak and bitter in winter. But it's a parkway, and it's only there to serve the commuters in the local estate. It'll never be loved, but it's functional enough. It's similar to some others I've seen, and better in some cases.
Tell you what. I'll wait for Sunil or Geoff Marshal to go to it and see what they say
Also, what the fuck is this:
“It's only there to serve the commuters in the local estate”
Did the Victorians ever think like that? Did the early designers of the Tube? “Oh it’s only for the locals, put up a brick shed that looks like a prison toilet block”
No. They took care. They also wanted to sell their train lines as things to use. The uplifting or cosy or welcoming station said “come in here, let us whisk you away”
Thanet Parkway…. Does not
Which was in many ways unfortunate, as it meant the railways, particularly lightly used country railways, became much more expensive and inflexible than they needed to be.
Are you actually arguing it was unfortunate they built beautiful stations and it would have been better if they’d thrown up toilet blocks? Coz they are easier to demolish? Or what?
I am saying that if they had made railways cheaper to run by - for example - building wooden halts at regular intervals rather than Gothic fantasies at distances the economics of rural branch lines might have been rather more helpful and perhaps not quite so many of them would have been shut.
Leon probably loves St Pancras. Yet the building of St Pancras cost the Midland Railway so much, that the northern extension to Manchester a decade later was done on a shoestring. Manchester Central therefore had a brilliant overall roof, but a load of 'temporary' wooden buildings - a wooden 1970s Kings Cross - in front of it. Which were so temporary that they lasted until the closure of the station, eighty years later.
I have to admit, I also love St Pancras. And Bristol Temple Meads. And the ridiculous Aberystwyth Station. And the Kilsby Vents. And I'm sure I would have stood in awe before the Euston Arch.
I also consider Birmingham New Street, Gloucester, Euston and Stafford stations to be shitheaps, because they are.
It's just I love actual railways slightly more than I love good architecture, and wish we could have run them less extravagantly so they made more money. That way, they might have avoided the clutches of the odious pen-pushers of the DfT.
Crystal Palace was the cheap railway shed option - they ran out of time to build it “properly”,
Some magnificent stuff has been done with permanent awning style structures, for example.
Hey @Sunil_Prasannan are you going to visit Britain’s newest railway station?
It’s a thing of beauty alright. Look at that bench. It’s our version of St Pancras
It's just a car park with a station attached. [Edit] Who wants to look at it? You can't even see anything from the platforms cos noise barriers. Or may be wind barriers. No namby pamby canopied roof for the hardy Commuters of Kent, or perhaps they are Kentich Commuters, I can never remember which. Just a few surplus shelters left over from the last but three Brexit processing camp plans.
It’s extraordinarily hideous and unfriendly. How can architects and planners still get away with buildings this bad?
As you note, there is no shelter from the weather. So if you alight from the train and have to wait for a car, taxi (highly likely) and it’s raining: tough shit
Mind boggling
I have seen worse, tbh. Stations east of That London aren't great.
It's also unnecessary now apparently, due to WFH.
But it's in keeping with the utterly thoughtless over-development which is ruining Thanet.
Ngk, I dunno. It isn't great - as you correctly point out, that flat expanse will be bleak and bitter in winter. But it's a parkway, and it's only there to serve the commuters in the local estate. It'll never be loved, but it's functional enough. It's similar to some others I've seen, and better in some cases.
Tell you what. I'll wait for Sunil or Geoff Marshal to go to it and see what they say
Also, what the fuck is this:
“It's only there to serve the commuters in the local estate”
Did the Victorians ever think like that? Did the early designers of the Tube? “Oh it’s only for the locals, put up a brick shed that looks like a prison toilet block”
No. They took care. They also wanted to sell their train lines as things to use. The uplifting or cosy or welcoming station said “come in here, let us whisk you away”
Thanet Parkway…. Does not
Which was in many ways unfortunate, as it meant the railways, particularly lightly used country railways, became much more expensive and inflexible than they needed to be.
Are you actually arguing it was unfortunate they built beautiful stations and it would have been better if they’d thrown up toilet blocks? Coz they are easier to demolish? Or what?
I am saying that if they had made railways cheaper to run by - for example - building wooden halts at regular intervals rather than Gothic fantasies at distances the economics of rural branch lines might have been rather more helpful and perhaps not quite so many of them would have been shut.
I struggle to see how that could be the case. They would surely have been closed and demolished with less fuss than their more invested-in counterparts.
But ugly stations would have added to the sum of human unhappiness, which apparently is what at least 1/3 of PB desires
Unfortunately, there is a slice of human psyche that finds satisfaction in unhappiness. Plenty of media products, factual and fictional, have grown fat on that insight.
There's also a streak of selfishness and stinginess that says that the public deserve no more than the minimal functionality.
@JosiasJessop is probably right- this was done to a budget, and that budget wasn't enough to stretch to civilising features.
Disabled people might say that being able to access the platforms is a 'civilising' feature. IMO that's what most of the complaints about the structure is: the footbridge, ramps and lifts to allow accessibility to what are already raised platforms.
Architects love this sort of thing. They would have designed a station that cost a billion pounds to build, and would have Leon flooding it with his little man-babies from as far as Lviv. The the client adds constraints. It needs to be accessible. We got fined because some scrote dropped a brick onto the head of someone below. Potential future overhead electrification means we need x amount of headroom. Most of all: we need it for y amount.
And hence architects are *really* limited in what they can do. If you want to (say) drop accessibility requirements, that would both save a lot of money and make it look a lot better. But would also lead to the station not opening because it did not meet requirements.
Again, I'd love people to come up with their alternatives.
Maybe some trees? And a canopy?
How do you get trees on an elevated platform?
Canopies: fair enough, but they are costly. And probably would not be seen on the elevation you first complained about.
I mean trees and canopies in front of the station. The elevation I have provided is the FRONT of the station ffs. Not some ugly loading bay at the back
And yes, amazingly, I like St Pancras
I actually get your point about cost. If this station had a budget of £1m I’d say well ok. There wasn’t much they could do
£35 fucking million. To produce THAT
Also, why on earth are you defending it? Aren’t you a railway geek? People will support railways if they beautiful or fast or uplifting or impressive, not if they are deliberately depressing, joyless, mean and off putting
re; Ron DeSantis, hope that anyone who was injured in automobile accident is OK, and wish them speedy recovery.
That said, rather ironic seeing has how RDS campaign IS a car crash, politically speaking.
Worth noting that so was John McCain's campaign in 2007 . . . before he made his major course correction that led to JMcC winning the 2008 GOP nomination.
On the OTHER hand, the car crash that was Rudy Giuliani's campaign that same cycle, led to . . . a truly spectacular pile-up just over a decade later, featuring an actual junk-yard . . . and a pack of truly vicious junk-yard curs . . .
The most interesting candidate atm is RFK,
The Ye of 2024? Interesting as he is (at least currently) a WAY better shill for Trump that Kanye West ever was.
Sad but true.
Nah
the Democrats are Trumps best shills as they want him as the GOP candidate.
re; Ron DeSantis, hope that anyone who was injured in automobile accident is OK, and wish them speedy recovery.
That said, rather ironic seeing has how RDS campaign IS a car crash, politically speaking.
Worth noting that so was John McCain's campaign in 2007 . . . before he made his major course correction that led to JMcC winning the 2008 GOP nomination.
On the OTHER hand, the car crash that was Rudy Giuliani's campaign that same cycle, led to . . . a truly spectacular pile-up just over a decade later, featuring an actual junk-yard . . . and a pack of truly vicious junk-yard curs . . .
The most interesting candidate atm is RFK,
Is he though? He seems like a pretty bog standard conspiracist anti-establishment type. Unconventional compared to others (less so than it used to be, given the election deniers etc), but predictable all the same.
The question is who will give the US the change it needs, Biden and Trump both are status quo men, RDS or RFK might change something. who knows ?
RFK believes that Covid was engineered not to kill Jews.
Think about that for a second.
Oh Ive read all of that but loads of politicians come up with daft nonsense and then have to correct themselves when the are in power. Biden is so far out of it he could be thinking anything and yet people will vote for him.
I brought this up yesterday - the public realm is so important to people's wellbeing, particularly in a economy where millions are WFH in a tiny flat or new build copy and paste.
HS2 must not water down its station designs. If you think the station above is bad, check out the new ones in suburban Scotland (Inverness Airport, for example). The redevelopment of High Streets is also an essential public investment.
re; Ron DeSantis, hope that anyone who was injured in automobile accident is OK, and wish them speedy recovery.
That said, rather ironic seeing has how RDS campaign IS a car crash, politically speaking.
Worth noting that so was John McCain's campaign in 2007 . . . before he made his major course correction that led to JMcC winning the 2008 GOP nomination.
On the OTHER hand, the car crash that was Rudy Giuliani's campaign that same cycle, led to . . . a truly spectacular pile-up just over a decade later, featuring an actual junk-yard . . . and a pack of truly vicious junk-yard curs . . .
The most interesting candidate atm is RFK,
Is he though? He seems like a pretty bog standard conspiracist anti-establishment type. Unconventional compared to others (less so than it used to be, given the election deniers etc), but predictable all the same.
The question is who will give the US the change it needs, Biden and Trump both are status quo men, RDS or RFK might change something. who knows ?
RFKjr is NOT a serious candidate/alternative for President.
No more than Kanye West was. Or Lyndon LaRouche, though at least HE wasn't a 100% GOP Con-job.
re; Ron DeSantis, hope that anyone who was injured in automobile accident is OK, and wish them speedy recovery.
That said, rather ironic seeing has how RDS campaign IS a car crash, politically speaking.
Worth noting that so was John McCain's campaign in 2007 . . . before he made his major course correction that led to JMcC winning the 2008 GOP nomination.
On the OTHER hand, the car crash that was Rudy Giuliani's campaign that same cycle, led to . . . a truly spectacular pile-up just over a decade later, featuring an actual junk-yard . . . and a pack of truly vicious junk-yard curs . . .
The most interesting candidate atm is RFK,
Is he though? He seems like a pretty bog standard conspiracist anti-establishment type. Unconventional compared to others (less so than it used to be, given the election deniers etc), but predictable all the same.
The question is who will give the US the change it needs, Biden and Trump both are status quo men, RDS or RFK might change something. who knows ?
RFKjr is NOT a serious candidate/alternative for President.
No more than Kanye West was. Or Lyndon LaRouche, though at least HE wasn't a 100% GOP Con-job.
And democrats said that of Trump and then he got elected.
Hey @Sunil_Prasannan are you going to visit Britain’s newest railway station?
It’s a thing of beauty alright. Look at that bench. It’s our version of St Pancras
It's just a car park with a station attached. [Edit] Who wants to look at it? You can't even see anything from the platforms cos noise barriers. Or may be wind barriers. No namby pamby canopied roof for the hardy Commuters of Kent, or perhaps they are Kentich Commuters, I can never remember which. Just a few surplus shelters left over from the last but three Brexit processing camp plans.
It’s extraordinarily hideous and unfriendly. How can architects and planners still get away with buildings this bad?
As you note, there is no shelter from the weather. So if you alight from the train and have to wait for a car, taxi (highly likely) and it’s raining: tough shit
Mind boggling
I have seen worse, tbh. Stations east of That London aren't great.
It's also unnecessary now apparently, due to WFH.
But it's in keeping with the utterly thoughtless over-development which is ruining Thanet.
Ngk, I dunno. It isn't great - as you correctly point out, that flat expanse will be bleak and bitter in winter. But it's a parkway, and it's only there to serve the commuters in the local estate. It'll never be loved, but it's functional enough. It's similar to some others I've seen, and better in some cases.
Tell you what. I'll wait for Sunil or Geoff Marshal to go to it and see what they say
Why the fuck is “functional enough” ever acceptable?!
I find mindsets like yours entirely incomprehensible
When I am working away I travel hundreds of miles by train at inconvenient hours with unpleasant people each week. You fly from point to point on expenses. When you go cattle-truck class it's an adventure. When I go cattle-truck class it's Sunday. Things like being clean, dry, warm, arriving on time, having a friendly guard, possibly a place to sit down and have a cup of tea and not be stabbed/panhandled/shit myself are priorities for me. Things like chocolates on pillows and the nearest whorehouse are priorities for you.
Yes, we are mutually incomprehensible. Why is this a surprise?
But you won’t be clean dry and warm at that station, as Thanet Parkway has no waiting room
Hey @Sunil_Prasannan are you going to visit Britain’s newest railway station?
It’s a thing of beauty alright. Look at that bench. It’s our version of St Pancras
It's just a car park with a station attached. [Edit] Who wants to look at it? You can't even see anything from the platforms cos noise barriers. Or may be wind barriers. No namby pamby canopied roof for the hardy Commuters of Kent, or perhaps they are Kentich Commuters, I can never remember which. Just a few surplus shelters left over from the last but three Brexit processing camp plans.
It’s extraordinarily hideous and unfriendly. How can architects and planners still get away with buildings this bad?
As you note, there is no shelter from the weather. So if you alight from the train and have to wait for a car, taxi (highly likely) and it’s raining: tough shit
Mind boggling
I have seen worse, tbh. Stations east of That London aren't great.
It's also unnecessary now apparently, due to WFH.
But it's in keeping with the utterly thoughtless over-development which is ruining Thanet.
Ngk, I dunno. It isn't great - as you correctly point out, that flat expanse will be bleak and bitter in winter. But it's a parkway, and it's only there to serve the commuters in the local estate. It'll never be loved, but it's functional enough. It's similar to some others I've seen, and better in some cases.
Tell you what. I'll wait for Sunil or Geoff Marshal to go to it and see what they say
Why the fuck is “functional enough” ever acceptable?!
I find mindsets like yours entirely incomprehensible
When I am working away I travel hundreds of miles by train at inconvenient hours with unpleasant people each week. You fly from point to point on expenses. When you go cattle-truck class it's an adventure. When I go cattle-truck class it's Sunday. Things like being clean, dry, warm, arriving on time, having a friendly guard, possibly a place to sit down and have a cup of tea and not be stabbed/panhandled/shit myself are priorities for me. Things like chocolates on pillows and the nearest whorehouse are priorities for you.
Yes, we are mutually incomprehensible. Why is this a surprise?
But you won’t be clean dry and warm at that station, as Thanet Parkway has no waiting room, and no place to shelter from the weather, and nowhere to get a cup of tea
So even by your bizarre, lowbrow, masochistic and dreary standards, it fails as architecture
From those ratings I would conclude that most Americans believe that their governor is not a mendacious grifter. (No doubt a few Americans like mendacious grifters as governors, but not enough to show up in those polls.)
re; Ron DeSantis, hope that anyone who was injured in automobile accident is OK, and wish them speedy recovery.
That said, rather ironic seeing has how RDS campaign IS a car crash, politically speaking.
Worth noting that so was John McCain's campaign in 2007 . . . before he made his major course correction that led to JMcC winning the 2008 GOP nomination.
On the OTHER hand, the car crash that was Rudy Giuliani's campaign that same cycle, led to . . . a truly spectacular pile-up just over a decade later, featuring an actual junk-yard . . . and a pack of truly vicious junk-yard curs . . .
The most interesting candidate atm is RFK,
Is he though? He seems like a pretty bog standard conspiracist anti-establishment type. Unconventional compared to others (less so than it used to be, given the election deniers etc), but predictable all the same.
The question is who will give the US the change it needs, Biden and Trump both are status quo men, RDS or RFK might change something. who knows ?
RFK believes that Covid was engineered not to kill Jews.
Think about that for a second.
Oh Ive read all of that but loads of politicians come up with daft nonsense and then have to correct themselves when the are in power. Biden is so far out of it he could be thinking anything and yet people will vote for him.
If you think that RFKjr's rantings are just occasional "daft nonsense" then you clearly know diddly-squat about his so-called career the last decade or so.
He once was a powerful advocate for the environment, where he made some truly significant contributions; for example, his role in helping clean up the open sewer that was the Hudson River.
However, he's subsequently gone full nut-bag 24/7/365 + leap days.
Hey @Sunil_Prasannan are you going to visit Britain’s newest railway station?
It’s a thing of beauty alright. Look at that bench. It’s our version of St Pancras
It's just a car park with a station attached. [Edit] Who wants to look at it? You can't even see anything from the platforms cos noise barriers. Or may be wind barriers. No namby pamby canopied roof for the hardy Commuters of Kent, or perhaps they are Kentich Commuters, I can never remember which. Just a few surplus shelters left over from the last but three Brexit processing camp plans.
It’s extraordinarily hideous and unfriendly. How can architects and planners still get away with buildings this bad?
As you note, there is no shelter from the weather. So if you alight from the train and have to wait for a car, taxi (highly likely) and it’s raining: tough shit
Mind boggling
I have seen worse, tbh. Stations east of That London aren't great.
It's also unnecessary now apparently, due to WFH.
But it's in keeping with the utterly thoughtless over-development which is ruining Thanet.
Ngk, I dunno. It isn't great - as you correctly point out, that flat expanse will be bleak and bitter in winter. But it's a parkway, and it's only there to serve the commuters in the local estate. It'll never be loved, but it's functional enough. It's similar to some others I've seen, and better in some cases.
Tell you what. I'll wait for Sunil or Geoff Marshal to go to it and see what they say
Why the fuck is “functional enough” ever acceptable?!
I find mindsets like yours entirely incomprehensible
When I am working away I travel hundreds of miles by train at inconvenient hours with unpleasant people each week. You fly from point to point on expenses. When you go cattle-truck class it's an adventure. When I go cattle-truck class it's Sunday. Things like being clean, dry, warm, arriving on time, having a friendly guard, possibly a place to sit down and have a cup of tea and not be stabbed/panhandled/shit myself are priorities for me. Things like chocolates on pillows and the nearest whorehouse are priorities for you.
Yes, we are mutually incomprehensible. Why is this a surprise?
But you won’t be clean dry and warm at that station, as Thanet Parkway has no waiting room
Hey @Sunil_Prasannan are you going to visit Britain’s newest railway station?
It’s a thing of beauty alright. Look at that bench. It’s our version of St Pancras
It's just a car park with a station attached. [Edit] Who wants to look at it? You can't even see anything from the platforms cos noise barriers. Or may be wind barriers. No namby pamby canopied roof for the hardy Commuters of Kent, or perhaps they are Kentich Commuters, I can never remember which. Just a few surplus shelters left over from the last but three Brexit processing camp plans.
It’s extraordinarily hideous and unfriendly. How can architects and planners still get away with buildings this bad?
As you note, there is no shelter from the weather. So if you alight from the train and have to wait for a car, taxi (highly likely) and it’s raining: tough shit
Mind boggling
I have seen worse, tbh. Stations east of That London aren't great.
It's also unnecessary now apparently, due to WFH.
But it's in keeping with the utterly thoughtless over-development which is ruining Thanet.
Ngk, I dunno. It isn't great - as you correctly point out, that flat expanse will be bleak and bitter in winter. But it's a parkway, and it's only there to serve the commuters in the local estate. It'll never be loved, but it's functional enough. It's similar to some others I've seen, and better in some cases.
Tell you what. I'll wait for Sunil or Geoff Marshal to go to it and see what they say
Why the fuck is “functional enough” ever acceptable?!
I find mindsets like yours entirely incomprehensible
When I am working away I travel hundreds of miles by train at inconvenient hours with unpleasant people each week. You fly from point to point on expenses. When you go cattle-truck class it's an adventure. When I go cattle-truck class it's Sunday. Things like being clean, dry, warm, arriving on time, having a friendly guard, possibly a place to sit down and have a cup of tea and not be stabbed/panhandled/shit myself are priorities for me. Things like chocolates on pillows and the nearest whorehouse are priorities for you.
Yes, we are mutually incomprehensible. Why is this a surprise?
But you won’t be clean dry and warm at that station, as Thanet Parkway has no waiting room, and no place to shelter from the weather, and nowhere to get a cup of tea
So even by your bizarre, lowbrow, masochistic and dreary standards, it fails as architecture
It doesn’t have any covered waiting area. I checked the station website
NO ACCESSIBLE TOILETS!!!
Fuck it. Bomb it flat.
(Have disabled rellies)
I didn't think that was even legal. I thought all new buildings had to have them.
Aiui only if the building has toilets. If it does not, it does not need accessible toilets.
35 million quid and they couldn't even stick in a single disabled bog ???
They really don’t want you to hang around. Not even for a pee. Once you understand that it all makes sense. Even the intense ugliness
Look. I’ve located the actual entrance (where the ground floor lift is). What does that dark scary void say to you? What would it say on a dank January evening?
re; Ron DeSantis, hope that anyone who was injured in automobile accident is OK, and wish them speedy recovery.
That said, rather ironic seeing has how RDS campaign IS a car crash, politically speaking.
Worth noting that so was John McCain's campaign in 2007 . . . before he made his major course correction that led to JMcC winning the 2008 GOP nomination.
On the OTHER hand, the car crash that was Rudy Giuliani's campaign that same cycle, led to . . . a truly spectacular pile-up just over a decade later, featuring an actual junk-yard . . . and a pack of truly vicious junk-yard curs . . .
The most interesting candidate atm is RFK,
Interesting? Yes. Yes, he is certainly that.
Ah yes, I forgot, in leftiyland diversity = more conformity. Wouldnt do to have different viewpoints,
Batshit crazy certainly is an alternative viewpoint.
I brought this up yesterday - the public realm is so important to people's wellbeing, particularly in a economy where millions are WFH in a tiny flat or new build copy and paste.
HS2 must not water down its station designs. If you think the station above is bad, check out the new ones in suburban Scotland (Inverness Airport, for example). The redevelopment of High Streets is also an essential public investment.
Hoorah, never knew there was one: because, I now learn, there wasn't until February this year. I am flying to Inverness tomorrow, and I am here to tell you, contra Leon, that I don't give a tupenny feck what it looks like provided there are trains there.
Hey @Sunil_Prasannan are you going to visit Britain’s newest railway station?
It’s a thing of beauty alright. Look at that bench. It’s our version of St Pancras
It's just a car park with a station attached. [Edit] Who wants to look at it? You can't even see anything from the platforms cos noise barriers. Or may be wind barriers. No namby pamby canopied roof for the hardy Commuters of Kent, or perhaps they are Kentich Commuters, I can never remember which. Just a few surplus shelters left over from the last but three Brexit processing camp plans.
It’s extraordinarily hideous and unfriendly. How can architects and planners still get away with buildings this bad?
As you note, there is no shelter from the weather. So if you alight from the train and have to wait for a car, taxi (highly likely) and it’s raining: tough shit
Mind boggling
I have seen worse, tbh. Stations east of That London aren't great.
It's also unnecessary now apparently, due to WFH.
But it's in keeping with the utterly thoughtless over-development which is ruining Thanet.
Ngk, I dunno. It isn't great - as you correctly point out, that flat expanse will be bleak and bitter in winter. But it's a parkway, and it's only there to serve the commuters in the local estate. It'll never be loved, but it's functional enough. It's similar to some others I've seen, and better in some cases.
Tell you what. I'll wait for Sunil or Geoff Marshal to go to it and see what they say
Also, what the fuck is this:
“It's only there to serve the commuters in the local estate”
Did the Victorians ever think like that? Did the early designers of the Tube? “Oh it’s only for the locals, put up a brick shed that looks like a prison toilet block”
No. They took care. They also wanted to sell their train lines as things to use. The uplifting or cosy or welcoming station said “come in here, let us whisk you away”
Thanet Parkway…. Does not
Which was in many ways unfortunate, as it meant the railways, particularly lightly used country railways, became much more expensive and inflexible than they needed to be.
Are you actually arguing it was unfortunate they built beautiful stations and it would have been better if they’d thrown up toilet blocks? Coz they are easier to demolish? Or what?
I am saying that if they had made railways cheaper to run by - for example - building wooden halts at regular intervals rather than Gothic fantasies at distances the economics of rural branch lines might have been rather more helpful and perhaps not quite so many of them would have been shut.
Leon probably loves St Pancras. Yet the building of St Pancras cost the Midland Railway so much, that the northern extension to Manchester a decade later was done on a shoestring. Manchester Central therefore had a brilliant overall roof, but a load of 'temporary' wooden buildings - a wooden 1970s Kings Cross - in front of it. Which were so temporary that they lasted until the closure of the station, eighty years later.
I have to admit, I also love St Pancras. And Bristol Temple Meads. And the ridiculous Aberystwyth Station. And the Kilsby Vents. And I'm sure I would have stood in awe before the Euston Arch.
I also consider Birmingham New Street, Gloucester, Euston and Stafford stations to be shitheaps, because they are.
It's just I love actual railways slightly more than I love good architecture, and wish we could have run them less extravagantly so they made more money. That way, they might have avoided the clutches of the odious pen-pushers of the DfT.
GWR's Snow Hill Station was stunning, so they razed it to the ground. I remember remnants of the carcass but not the station. New Street never looked like a station in my day just an appendage to a shopping centre.
re; Ron DeSantis, hope that anyone who was injured in automobile accident is OK, and wish them speedy recovery.
That said, rather ironic seeing has how RDS campaign IS a car crash, politically speaking.
Worth noting that so was John McCain's campaign in 2007 . . . before he made his major course correction that led to JMcC winning the 2008 GOP nomination.
On the OTHER hand, the car crash that was Rudy Giuliani's campaign that same cycle, led to . . . a truly spectacular pile-up just over a decade later, featuring an actual junk-yard . . . and a pack of truly vicious junk-yard curs . . .
The most interesting candidate atm is RFK,
Is he though? He seems like a pretty bog standard conspiracist anti-establishment type. Unconventional compared to others (less so than it used to be, given the election deniers etc), but predictable all the same.
The question is who will give the US the change it needs, Biden and Trump both are status quo men, RDS or RFK might change something. who knows ?
RFK believes that Covid was engineered not to kill Jews.
Think about that for a second.
Oh Ive read all of that but loads of politicians come up with daft nonsense and then have to correct themselves when the are in power. Biden is so far out of it he could be thinking anything and yet people will vote for him.
If you think that RFKjr's rantings are just occasional "daft nonsense" then you clearly know diddly-squat about his so-called career the last decade or so.
He once was a powerful advocate for the environment, where he made some truly significant contributions; for example, his role in helping clean up the open sewer that was the Hudson River.
However, he's subsequently gone full nut-bag 24/7/365 + leap days.
I freely admit I dont follow the guy I am interested in my own country not yours. But seen from this side of the Atlantic the US is a monumental shitshow and heading to Banana Republic territiry,
I brought this up yesterday - the public realm is so important to people's wellbeing, particularly in a economy where millions are WFH in a tiny flat or new build copy and paste.
HS2 must not water down its station designs. If you think the station above is bad, check out the new ones in suburban Scotland (Inverness Airport, for example). The redevelopment of High Streets is also an essential public investment.
High streets are not important to most people, we never fucking go there. Redeveloping them is a total waste of money. Turn them residential and tell the oxfam shops to fuck off
From those ratings I would conclude that most Americans believe that their governor is not a mendacious grifter. (No doubt a few Americans like mendacious grifters as governors, but not enough to show up in those polls.)
And how many of those are standing for President ?
Hey @Sunil_Prasannan are you going to visit Britain’s newest railway station?
It’s a thing of beauty alright. Look at that bench. It’s our version of St Pancras
It's just a car park with a station attached. [Edit] Who wants to look at it? You can't even see anything from the platforms cos noise barriers. Or may be wind barriers. No namby pamby canopied roof for the hardy Commuters of Kent, or perhaps they are Kentich Commuters, I can never remember which. Just a few surplus shelters left over from the last but three Brexit processing camp plans.
It’s extraordinarily hideous and unfriendly. How can architects and planners still get away with buildings this bad?
As you note, there is no shelter from the weather. So if you alight from the train and have to wait for a car, taxi (highly likely) and it’s raining: tough shit
Mind boggling
I have seen worse, tbh. Stations east of That London aren't great.
It's also unnecessary now apparently, due to WFH.
But it's in keeping with the utterly thoughtless over-development which is ruining Thanet.
Ngk, I dunno. It isn't great - as you correctly point out, that flat expanse will be bleak and bitter in winter. But it's a parkway, and it's only there to serve the commuters in the local estate. It'll never be loved, but it's functional enough. It's similar to some others I've seen, and better in some cases.
Tell you what. I'll wait for Sunil or Geoff Marshal to go to it and see what they say
Why the fuck is “functional enough” ever acceptable?!
I find mindsets like yours entirely incomprehensible
When I am working away I travel hundreds of miles by train at inconvenient hours with unpleasant people each week. You fly from point to point on expenses. When you go cattle-truck class it's an adventure. When I go cattle-truck class it's Sunday. Things like being clean, dry, warm, arriving on time, having a friendly guard, possibly a place to sit down and have a cup of tea and not be stabbed/panhandled/shit myself are priorities for me. Things like chocolates on pillows and the nearest whorehouse are priorities for you.
Yes, we are mutually incomprehensible. Why is this a surprise?
But you won’t be clean dry and warm at that station, as Thanet Parkway has no waiting room
Hey @Sunil_Prasannan are you going to visit Britain’s newest railway station?
It’s a thing of beauty alright. Look at that bench. It’s our version of St Pancras
It's just a car park with a station attached. [Edit] Who wants to look at it? You can't even see anything from the platforms cos noise barriers. Or may be wind barriers. No namby pamby canopied roof for the hardy Commuters of Kent, or perhaps they are Kentich Commuters, I can never remember which. Just a few surplus shelters left over from the last but three Brexit processing camp plans.
It’s extraordinarily hideous and unfriendly. How can architects and planners still get away with buildings this bad?
As you note, there is no shelter from the weather. So if you alight from the train and have to wait for a car, taxi (highly likely) and it’s raining: tough shit
Mind boggling
I have seen worse, tbh. Stations east of That London aren't great.
It's also unnecessary now apparently, due to WFH.
But it's in keeping with the utterly thoughtless over-development which is ruining Thanet.
Ngk, I dunno. It isn't great - as you correctly point out, that flat expanse will be bleak and bitter in winter. But it's a parkway, and it's only there to serve the commuters in the local estate. It'll never be loved, but it's functional enough. It's similar to some others I've seen, and better in some cases.
Tell you what. I'll wait for Sunil or Geoff Marshal to go to it and see what they say
Why the fuck is “functional enough” ever acceptable?!
I find mindsets like yours entirely incomprehensible
When I am working away I travel hundreds of miles by train at inconvenient hours with unpleasant people each week. You fly from point to point on expenses. When you go cattle-truck class it's an adventure. When I go cattle-truck class it's Sunday. Things like being clean, dry, warm, arriving on time, having a friendly guard, possibly a place to sit down and have a cup of tea and not be stabbed/panhandled/shit myself are priorities for me. Things like chocolates on pillows and the nearest whorehouse are priorities for you.
Yes, we are mutually incomprehensible. Why is this a surprise?
But you won’t be clean dry and warm at that station, as Thanet Parkway has no waiting room, and no place to shelter from the weather, and nowhere to get a cup of tea
So even by your bizarre, lowbrow, masochistic and dreary standards, it fails as architecture
It doesn’t have any covered waiting area. I checked the station website
NO ACCESSIBLE TOILETS!!!
Fuck it. Bomb it flat.
(Have disabled rellies)
I didn't think that was even legal. I thought all new buildings had to have them.
Aiui only if the building has toilets. If it does not, it does not need accessible toilets.
35 million quid and they couldn't even stick in a single disabled bog ???
They really don’t want you to hang around. Not even for a pee. Once you understand that it all makes sense. Even the intense ugliness
Look. I’ve located the actual entrance (where the ground floor lift is). What does that dark scary void say to you? What would it say on a dank January evening?
Open the blast doors! Open the blast doors!
Actually, that’s unfair. The Empire had serious taste in design. Star Destroyers look awesome.
Though H&S was not on the priority list. Railings at the edge of bottomless abysses? Controls accessible without free climbing?
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Think of it as putting the Brutality in Brutalism.
He is done.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/21/us/politics/desantis-russell-brand-jan-6-insurrection.html
Theyll then try it a different way and only let you bbq turnips.
"...UK to run up highest debt interest bill in developed world: Treasury on course to spend 10% of government revenue on bond costs this year, according to forecast by Fitch", FT 2023/07/25, see https://www.ft.com/content/b25903fd-2ebe-4f65-aa20-c21d873946f3 ..."
Oh dear.
The risk is probably not much greater than that of being involved in a traffic accident. Not exactly Bakhmut.
And they've beefed up the air defences a bit.
Sad but true.
There's also a streak of selfishness and stinginess that says that the public deserve no more than the minimal functionality.
@JosiasJessop is probably right- this was done to a budget, and that budget wasn't enough to stretch to civilising features.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/video/2015/apr/29/ed-miliband-russell-brand-video-highlights
UK 0.4% in 2023, but Germany -0.3%, so everything is fine, no problems whatsoever.
https://www.imf.org/en/Publications/WEO/Issues/2023/07/10/world-economic-outlook-update-july-2023
I think it fair to say that California's Gavin Newsom under performs, given how Democratic that state is. (Perhaps he should invite more people to join him at the French Laundry.)
India projected to have the fastest global growth overall
the Democrats are Trumps best shills as they want him as the GOP candidate.
Architects love this sort of thing. They would have designed a station that cost a billion pounds to build, and would have Leon flooding it with his little man-babies from as far as Lviv. The the client adds constraints. It needs to be accessible. We got fined because some scrote dropped a brick onto the head of someone below. Potential future overhead electrification means we need x amount of headroom. Most of all: we need it for y amount.
And hence architects are *really* limited in what they can do. If you want to (say) drop accessibility requirements, that would both save a lot of money and make it look a lot better. But would also lead to the station not opening because it did not meet requirements.
Again, I'd love people to come up with their alternatives.
No joke. And it looks like it cost £30k max
For £35 MILLION they could have put in a few trees? And maybe a shelter of some kind? So you don’t get wet waiting for the non existent bus link?
This is the sort of stuff that @DavidL has to deal with. It must be so difficult to cope with such depravity, over and again..
It was replaced by a building of such stunning ugliness and incompatibility with its surroundings that, I’m told, architectural students are brought here to be shown what not to do!
The facts are that in Q1 (April-June) of 2023-4 financial year we borrowed an additional £54.4 billion.
Essentially we are paying the high interest cost of debt by borrowing, at high rates, the money to pay the interest, so that the debt and the repayments continue to rise.
That's like dealing with CO2 by reopening a coal fired electricity programme.
Except that Truss would have borrowed a little more, no-one in politics has much to say. Does anyone know Labour's approach to this? They aren't drawing much attention to it.
Mendacious = An habitual liar.
Grifter = Interested only in personal gain and gratification.
Biden fits neither. He just doesn't. It's not even a matter of opinion.
Canopies: fair enough, but they are costly. And probably would not be seen on the elevation you first complained about.
Not interesting.
But you’re a partisan, so no interest in listening to an alternative approach
The laughable Republican House investigation is not a judicial process, and in any event has proved completely empty.
I mean trees and canopies in front of the station. The elevation I have provided is the FRONT of the station ffs. Not some ugly loading bay at the back
And yes, amazingly, I like St Pancras
I actually get your point about cost. If this station had a budget of £1m I’d say well ok. There wasn’t much they could do
£35 fucking million. To produce THAT
Also, why on earth are you defending it? Aren’t you a railway geek? People will support railways if they are beautiful or fast or uplifting or impressive, not if they are deliberately depressing, joyless, mean and off putting
Ditto all developments
The completely boxed in, brick staircase would get some negative comments from experts in women friendly architecture. Which is a serious thing.
Well, it's probably because they have good "Third Places."
What is a Third Place? It's wherever you go when you're not at home or at work...
https://twitter.com/culturaltutor/status/1683631168711798784
Imagine being there, or at Thanet Parkway, in a dark winter evening with nobody around.
Edit: except that at Adlestrop there was the resident stationmaster with his family in his house, and probably some other staff.
https://www.modelrailforum.com/threads/buildings-for-adlestrop.26356/
That's really not difficult...
Obviously the £35 MILLION budget couldn’t run to a simple, well lit external canopy with a camera where criminals might feel less able and likely to mug or rape you
I also consider Birmingham New Street, Gloucester, Euston and Stafford stations to be shitheaps, because they are.
It's just I love actual railways slightly more than I love good architecture, and wish we could have run them less extravagantly so they made more money. That way, they might have avoided the clutches of the odious pen-pushers of the DfT.
https://news.bloomberglaw.com/bankruptcy-law/londons-city-am-newspaper-to-go-into-administration
Complaining about having to justify your own policy isn't a good look.
Andy Bashear (D) in Kentucky
Chris Sununu (R) in New Hampshire
Phil Scott (R) in Vermont
It's also interesting that not a single Governor has negative net approval ratings.
How nice for the local commuters. Going there every day
Think about that for a second.
Some magnificent stuff has been done with permanent awning style structures, for example.
HS2 must not water down its station designs. If you think the station above is bad, check out the new ones in suburban Scotland (Inverness Airport, for example). The redevelopment of High Streets is also an essential public investment.
No more than Kanye West was. Or Lyndon LaRouche, though at least HE wasn't a 100% GOP Con-job.
This may help Alanbrooke, and those who are similarly struggling:
https://pro.morningconsult.com/analysis/governor-approval-ratings-july-2023
From those ratings I would conclude that most Americans believe that their governor is not a mendacious grifter. (No doubt a few Americans like mendacious grifters as governors, but not enough to show up in those polls.)
He once was a powerful advocate for the environment, where he made some truly significant contributions; for example, his role in helping clean up the open sewer that was the Hudson River.
However, he's subsequently gone full nut-bag 24/7/365 + leap days.
Look. I’ve located the actual entrance (where the ground floor lift is). What does that dark scary void say to you? What would it say on a dank January evening?
Sadly it'd be mainstream for today's GOP.
http://disused-stations.org.uk/b/birmingham_snow_hill/28_snow_hill_frontage_1925_geoffrey_skelsey.jpg
Actually, that’s unfair. The Empire had serious taste in design. Star Destroyers look awesome.
Though H&S was not on the priority list. Railings at the edge of bottomless abysses? Controls accessible without free climbing?