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LAB increasing its lead in the “Red Wall” – politicalbetting.com

SystemSystem Posts: 11,711
edited June 2023 in General
imageLAB increasing its lead in the “Red Wall” – politicalbetting.com

R&W introduced this polling series 15 months ago and in many ways it could provide a better guide to the general election outcome than standard voting polls. This covers 40 seats 39 of them which were taken by the Tories at the last general election in what has become known as the red wall. The other seat Hartlepool was taken by the Tories in the byelection two years ago.

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    148grss148grss Posts: 3,756
    edited June 2023
    Oooh, a first first for me, perhaps?

    These "don't knowers" are always an issue for prognostication, but it could easily just be that Tory voters are saying "don't know" and they'll really just abstain. Tory abstention is necessary for Labour wins, so I don't think we should find this surprising. I wonder if polls should start asking and / or prompting for "abstain" instead of just asking "how likely are you to vote".
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    ClippPClippP Posts: 1,706
    edited June 2023
    First?

    Not sure what this means though...
    As can be seen at the general election the Tories had a 9% lead over LAB in these seats. This has now been reversed to a 22% Conservative lead which represents a swing of more than 15%.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,189
    edited June 2023
    Now quite a clear gap opening up between the redwall and bluewall, at least on views of Sunak.

    While Labour leads in both, their lead is a massive 22% in the redwall now but just 4% in the bluewall.

    In the redwall Starmer leads as preferred PM by a clear 40% to just 31% for Sunak.
    https://redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-red-wall-voting-intention-11-june-2023/

    In the bluewall however Sunak still leads as preferred PM on 39% to 35% for Starmer
    https://redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-blue-wall-voting-intention-4-june-2023/
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 27,050
    FPT

    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    UK public buildings feared to be at risk of collapse as concrete crumbles
    Ministers launch inquiry into use of reinforced autoclaved aerated concrete (RAAC)
    https://www.theguardian.com/education/2023/jun/14/uk-public-buildings-feared-to-be-at-risk-of-collapse-as-concrete-crumbles
    ...Inspectors are thought to have no idea how many out of thousands of government buildings were constructed with RAAC.

    The development represents a major expansion of a previous inquiry into the use of the building material that focused mainly on hospitals and schools. Experts have so far identified more than 150 schools where it has potentially been in use, and last week closed a primary in Southend, Essex, because of the safety risk.

    RAAC looks like concrete, but it is a lighter form of the material that was used in many one- and two-storey public sector buildings in the UK from the mid-1950s to the mid-90s. Less durable than traditional concrete, it has a shel 2010f-life estimated to be about 30 years and is prone to collapse when wet...

    A shelf life of 30 years and was last used in the 90s?

    Shouldn't there be no buildings left with it used soon then?
    Well, Kings Lynn Hospital hasn't quite fallen down, not yet anyway.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-norfolk-63609257
    It was built in 1980 using materials meant to last 30 years?

    Shouldn't it have been replaced by 2010 then?
    It's difficult to believe they thought 30 years was long enough.
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    GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,106
    When they say a design life of 30 years, they don’t mean that it won’t last longer than 30 years, just that nobody is willing to guarantee that it will not fail after that amount of time.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,482
    HYUFD said:

    Now quite a clear gap opening up between the redwall and bluewall, at least on views of Sunak.

    While Labour leads in both, their lead is a massive 22% in the redwall now but just 4% in the bluewall.

    In the redwall Starmer leads as preferred PM by a clear 40% to just 31% for Sunak.
    https://redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-red-wall-voting-intention-11-june-2023/

    In the bluewall however Sunak still leads as preferred PM on 39% to 35% for Starmer
    https://redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-blue-wall-voting-intention-4-june-2023/

    No Tory poll leads nationally for 18 months and 8 days!
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    MightyAlexMightyAlex Posts: 1,463
    edited June 2023
    HYUFD said:

    Now quite a clear gap opening up between the redwall and bluewall, at least on views of Sunak.

    While Labour leads in both, their lead is a massive 22% in the redwall now but just 4% in the bluewall.

    In the redwall Starmer leads as preferred PM by a clear 40% to just 31% for Sunak.
    https://redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-red-wall-voting-intention-11-june-2023/

    In the bluewall however Sunak still leads as preferred PM on 39% to 35% for Starmer
    https://redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-blue-wall-voting-intention-4-june-2023/

    There speaks a man inured to the conquering of his heartland.

    Labour winning in the home counties. Ill-bred Labour councillors astride the leafy meadows of Surrey. Poorly spoken activists harassing the middle aged women of Aylesbury. What have you lost HYUFD? You have Redcar but a man who's school had no motto is going to take your home.
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    eekeek Posts: 25,042
    @GuidoFawkes
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    Told Boris conveyed a message to Downing Street on Saturday that Eton always beats Winchester.

    Why did Rishi let the resignation list go out before the final report?
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,636
    The country loves a lawyer, the Red Wall in particular.
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,756

    When they say a design life of 30 years, they don’t mean that it won’t last longer than 30 years, just that nobody is willing to guarantee that it will not fail after that amount of time.

    You can then do a residual life study and tack a couple more decades on if all looks OK.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,636
    Starmer invoking the late Queen.
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    RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 27,394
    Is the Mad Nad one in the House?
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    turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 15,407

    Starmer invoking the late Queen.

    Classy
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,636
    Oh my, did Sunak just compare Boris Johnson's nominees to Tom Watson.

    Not very clever.
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    turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 15,407
    Tom Watson and Shami name checked in response!
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,482

    When they say a design life of 30 years, they don’t mean that it won’t last longer than 30 years, just that nobody is willing to guarantee that it will not fail after that amount of time.

    I raise you the 50 year-old trains on the Bakerloo and the Piccadilly lines in London :lol:
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,636

    Starmer invoking the late Queen.

    Classy
    Rule breaking Rishi is going to feature a lot at the next election.
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    RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 27,394
    Sunak getting bitch-slapped by the Speaker for trying to suggest that Keir Starmer is responsible for this week's scandal about Boris Johnson being forced to appoint Tom Watson to the Lords.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,636
    edited June 2023

    eek said:

    @GuidoFawkes
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    Told Boris conveyed a message to Downing Street on Saturday that Eton always beats Winchester.

    Why did Rishi let the resignation list go out before the final report?

    What a prick, part 427.
    The privately educated are such tossers.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,636
    edited June 2023

    Sunak getting bitch-slapped by the Speaker for trying to suggest that Keir Starmer is responsible for this week's scandal about Boris Johnson being forced to appoint Tom Watson to the Lords.

    The thing is, the government did put the kibosh on John Bercow getting a peerage.
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    RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 27,394
    Now its Ed Milliband's fault
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    RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 27,394
    Now apparently the people in the pockets of Russia are Labour. Not the Tories who have taken literal millions off Russia and appointed the KGB to the House of Lords.

    Do have to laugh. This is a thread about the red wall where Labour's lead is now 22% and still rising. Sunak seems to be aiming for 30%.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,971

    Sunak getting bitch-slapped by the Speaker for trying to suggest that Keir Starmer is responsible for this week's scandal about Boris Johnson being forced to appoint Tom Watson to the Lords.

    The thing is, the government did put the kibosh on John Bercow getting a peerage.
    Even the worst of governments, can occasionally get big decisions correct.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,189
    edited June 2023

    HYUFD said:

    Now quite a clear gap opening up between the redwall and bluewall, at least on views of Sunak.

    While Labour leads in both, their lead is a massive 22% in the redwall now but just 4% in the bluewall.

    In the redwall Starmer leads as preferred PM by a clear 40% to just 31% for Sunak.
    https://redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-red-wall-voting-intention-11-june-2023/

    In the bluewall however Sunak still leads as preferred PM on 39% to 35% for Starmer
    https://redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-blue-wall-voting-intention-4-june-2023/

    There speaks a man inured to the conquering of his heartland.

    Labour winning in the home counties. Ill-bred Labour councillors astride the leafy meadows of Surrey. Poorly spoken activists harassing the middle aged women of Aylesbury. What have you lost HYUFD? You have Redcar but a man who's school had no motto is going to take your home.
    Actually on the preferred PM numbers Sunak will lose Redcar but hold much of Surrey and Bucks.

    In the local elections Labour may have regained Stoke and Medway and Mansfield and Erewash but Labour failed to gain a single council in Surrey or Bucks or Essex or Oxfordshire, the gains there were rather by LDs and Independents
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,636
    edited June 2023
    Horribly sizeist comment from Stephen Flynn.

    Tells Sunak to grow up.


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    RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 27,394
    Stephen Flynn is a significant upgrade over his shouty predecessor.
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    LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 15,488
    More rumors/claims/information about the Chechen second-in-command.

    "NOELREPORTS 🇪🇺 🇺🇦
    @NOELreports
    Ex-commander of the 🇷🇺72nd brigade, Roman Venevitin, said that the coordinates of Delimkhanov and other Kadyrovites who were with him were leaked to the Ukrainian SBU by Wagner PMC fighters. Also, according to him, Delimkhanov was seriously wounded, and the losses among other Kadyrovites were significant."


    https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1668936832380223489

    The slide of Russia towards civil war is perhaps beginning. While that will doubtless be terrible in many ways, it should make it easier for Ukraine to liberate its territory.
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    turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 15,407

    Starmer invoking the late Queen.

    Classy
    Rule breaking Rishi is going to feature a lot at the next election.
    Unfair, but that's politics...
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    RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 27,394
    Oooh one for @malcolmg - Alba on his feet asking a question.
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    Now its Ed Milliband's fault

    'chaos with Ed Miliband'

    He actually said that. 😂
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    MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 12,666
    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    Books. You can slip them in a pocket. Great

    Now that YouGov has published its polling from last week, I set out below my average.



    As this is last week's polling, it is before any fallout from Boris's appointment as Steward and Bailiff.

    The Lib Dems have maintained their better run of polling, whilst Labour is going backwards and the Greens have a good week.

    TLDR: Lab down around 3 points, Lib up around two, everybody else not really moving.
    At that rate, Lab will cross over with Con in 16 months - Oct 2024 - and LD will hit 43% at the same date. So an Oct2024 Election will be Lab 28, Con 28, Lib 43, and Ed Davey will be PM. Also [check notes] extrapolating from present trends on a straight line basis is stupid. Ah. [blushes, shuffle off stage]
    “Lab down around 3 points, Lib up around two, everybody else not really moving.” 100% pure Dutch Salute.

    What isn’t stupid at all is the Psephological theory of voters giving pollsters the Dutch Salute. It goes like this.

    Best option for Tories - Tories % up with Lab % down, Lab lead shrinking

    Next best option for Tories - Tories % not up, Lab % not down, lead remains 12%

    Most worst option for Tories - Tory % static, Lab % down, Lab lead shrinking, Lib Dem’s up (purest Dutch Salute)
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    RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 27,394

    Now its Ed Milliband's fault

    'chaos with Ed Miliband'

    He actually said that. 😂
    He also said something about Labour running up massive debt. He was Chancellor for a while - doesn't he remember that he piled vast amounts of debt onto the pile?
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    PhilPhil Posts: 1,943
    NB. On cycling & clipless: I go for the halfway house of Zefal half toe clips. Not so footwear enveloping that you can’t escape them in times of need & effective for what they are. Recommended for the non-MAMILs amongst us :)
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    CatManCatMan Posts: 2,809
    “Watching The Ashes at work boosts productivity.”

    https://twitter.com/CricketBusiness/status/1668851181077012480?s=20
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    Now apparently the people in the pockets of Russia are Labour. Not the Tories who have taken literal millions off Russia and appointed the KGB to the House of Lords.

    Do have to laugh. This is a thread about the red wall where Labour's lead is now 22% and still rising. Sunak seems to be aiming for 30%.

    I'm no fan of Sunak anymore, and thought he was silly with his other comments but he's completely right with what he said on this one.

    The idea of putting a ban on new licences in the North Sea, but not banning imports from abroad, will be something that seriously pleases Russia - and Saudi Arabia and other countries - but does absolutely nothing to help either Britain or the environment or climate change.

    It is a completely foolish policy.
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    FarooqFarooq Posts: 10,775

    HYUFD said:

    Now quite a clear gap opening up between the redwall and bluewall, at least on views of Sunak.

    While Labour leads in both, their lead is a massive 22% in the redwall now but just 4% in the bluewall.

    In the redwall Starmer leads as preferred PM by a clear 40% to just 31% for Sunak.
    https://redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-red-wall-voting-intention-11-june-2023/

    In the bluewall however Sunak still leads as preferred PM on 39% to 35% for Starmer
    https://redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-blue-wall-voting-intention-4-june-2023/

    There speaks a man inured to the conquering of his heartland.

    Labour winning in the home counties. Ill-bred Labour councillors astride the leafy meadows of Surrey. Poorly spoken activists harassing the middle aged women of Aylesbury. What have you lost HYUFD? You have Redcar but a man who's school had no motto is going to take your home.
    HYUFD thinks the Hindus are coming to save him. They probably aren't.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,469
    Nick Macpherson
    @nickmacpherson2
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    15h
    But I can't remember an election when 18 months out interest rates were still rising steeply. It's still possible the government may get lucky: underlying inflation may come down quicker than expected. But I wouldn't bet on that. 5/6
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    eekeek Posts: 25,042
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Now quite a clear gap opening up between the redwall and bluewall, at least on views of Sunak.

    While Labour leads in both, their lead is a massive 22% in the redwall now but just 4% in the bluewall.

    In the redwall Starmer leads as preferred PM by a clear 40% to just 31% for Sunak.
    https://redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-red-wall-voting-intention-11-june-2023/

    In the bluewall however Sunak still leads as preferred PM on 39% to 35% for Starmer
    https://redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-blue-wall-voting-intention-4-june-2023/

    There speaks a man inured to the conquering of his heartland.

    Labour winning in the home counties. Ill-bred Labour councillors astride the leafy meadows of Surrey. Poorly spoken activists harassing the middle aged women of Aylesbury. What have you lost HYUFD? You have Redcar but a man who's school had no motto is going to take your home.
    Actually on the preferred PM numbers Sunak will lose Redcar but hold much of Surrey and Bucks.

    In the local elections Labour may have regained Stoke and Medway and Mansfield and Erewash but Labour failed to gain a single council in Surrey or Bucks or Essex or Oxfordshire, the gains there were rather by LDs and Independents
    But in Surrey / Bucks (except for some poorer seats) Labour aren't the Tory's opponents - that's the Lib Dems...
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,756

    Now apparently the people in the pockets of Russia are Labour. Not the Tories who have taken literal millions off Russia and appointed the KGB to the House of Lords.

    Do have to laugh. This is a thread about the red wall where Labour's lead is now 22% and still rising. Sunak seems to be aiming for 30%.

    I'm no fan of Sunak anymore, and thought he was silly with his other comments but he's completely right with what he said on this one.

    The idea of putting a ban on new licences in the North Sea, but not banning imports from abroad, will be something that seriously pleases Russia - and Saudi Arabia and other countries - but does absolutely nothing to help either Britain or the environment or climate change.

    It is a completely foolish policy.
    As a greeny-red, I fully agree. Until the need for hydrocarbons has gone, better to produce our own than import from despots and totalitarians.
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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,913

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    Books. You can slip them in a pocket. Great

    Now that YouGov has published its polling from last week, I set out below my average.



    As this is last week's polling, it is before any fallout from Boris's appointment as Steward and Bailiff.

    The Lib Dems have maintained their better run of polling, whilst Labour is going backwards and the Greens have a good week.

    TLDR: Lab down around 3 points, Lib up around two, everybody else not really moving.
    At that rate, Lab will cross over with Con in 16 months - Oct 2024 - and LD will hit 43% at the same date. So an Oct2024 Election will be Lab 28, Con 28, Lib 43, and Ed Davey will be PM. Also [check notes] extrapolating from present trends on a straight line basis is stupid. Ah. [blushes, shuffle off stage]
    “Lab down around 3 points, Lib up around two, everybody else not really moving.” 100% pure Dutch Salute.

    What isn’t stupid at all is the Psephological theory of voters giving pollsters the Dutch Salute. It goes like this.

    Best option for Tories - Tories % up with Lab % down, Lab lead shrinking

    Next best option for Tories - Tories % not up, Lab % not down, lead remains 12%

    Most worst option for Tories - Tory % static, Lab % down, Lab lead shrinking, Lib Dem’s up (purest Dutch Salute)
    Time to sober up....

    I see Sevanta PB's gold standard pollster back up to 17%. Biggest = lead since early Feb
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,903

    Now its Ed Milliband's fault

    'chaos with Ed Miliband'

    He actually said that. 😂
    He also said something about Labour running up massive debt. He was Chancellor for a while - doesn't he remember that he piled vast amounts of debt onto the pile?
    Not quite Bob Mills level at defending the indefensible, is he ?
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,469
    Davies tears into Johnson.

    LOL.

    Tory civil war.
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    And he's back to "respecting what local communities want" when it comes to NIMBYism and the total lack of housing.

    Sunak doesn't get it and will never get my vote.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,636

    Starmer invoking the late Queen.

    Classy
    Rule breaking Rishi is going to feature a lot at the next election.
    Unfair, but that's politics...
    Indeed but I remember the Jimmy Savile smears aimed at Sir Keir Starmer and the far right bullshit that Nadine Dorries aimed at Starmer and I have no sympathy.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,903
    edited June 2023
    Hyundai Motor Group And LGES Confirm 30 GWh Battery JV In Georgia
    It will be adjacent to the Hyundai Motor Group Metaplant America, which is currently under construction
    https://insideevs.com/news/671266/hyundai-lges-30gwh-battery-jv-georgia/
    ...LG Energy Solution noted that the new JV with Hyundai is actually its seventh battery plant project in the US (currently operating or being constructed). The total output of those plants is roughly 250-300 GWh annually...


    GM And Samsung SDI's Battery JV To Be Located In Indiana
    Construction of the 30+ GWh plant will start next year.
    https://insideevs.com/news/671839/gm-samsung-sdi-battery-jv-indiana/

    An awful lot of production is scheduled to start coming on stream in 2026.
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    MiklosvarMiklosvar Posts: 1,855
    Phil said:

    NB. On cycling & clipless: I go for the halfway house of Zefal half toe clips. Not so footwear enveloping that you can’t escape them in times of need & effective for what they are. Recommended for the non-MAMILs amongst us :)

    SPD with eh56 cleats are a really non threatening and user friendly way in to clipless. I mastered them in my 60s.
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    MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 12,666
    HYUFD said:

    Now quite a clear gap opening up between the redwall and bluewall, at least on views of Sunak.

    While Labour leads in both, their lead is a massive 22% in the redwall now but just 4% in the bluewall.

    In the redwall Starmer leads as preferred PM by a clear 40% to just 31% for Sunak.
    https://redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-red-wall-voting-intention-11-june-2023/

    In the bluewall however Sunak still leads as preferred PM on 39% to 35% for Starmer
    https://redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-blue-wall-voting-intention-4-june-2023/

    Never in the history of everything everywhere has the Blue Wall looked so vulnerable to Libs and Lab (and green loonies) than since the Tory Brexit.

    In fact Blue Wall may even be a new term invented by the Lib Dem’s to explain this historic level of vulnerability.

    Perhaps views on Sunak polling should be read in conjunction with views on party staying in power when deciding where vote might go - leader not hated is good, I concede, but party utterly hated and everyone wanting it out of government might well trump leader not hated when it comes to a few votes?

    On Topic. Wall polling tends to go sharply up and down with each sample, what Tories lost in this sample they may easily get back and some, with next sample. They are charts crying out for more flat direction of travel lines drawn through them.
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    PhilPhil Posts: 1,943

    And he's back to "respecting what local communities want" when it comes to NIMBYism and the total lack of housing.

    Sunak doesn't get it and will never get my vote.

    The conservatives are squeezed between what the country needs (infrastructure, housing) & what their core vote wants (build absolutely nothing anywhere).
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    Nigelb said:

    Hyundai Motor Group And LGES Confirm 30 GWh Battery JV In Georgia
    It will be adjacent to the Hyundai Motor Group Metaplant America, which is currently under construction
    https://insideevs.com/news/671266/hyundai-lges-30gwh-battery-jv-georgia/
    ...LG Energy Solution noted that the new JV with Hyundai is actually its seventh battery plant project in the US (currently operating or being constructed). The total output of those plants is roughly 250-300 GWh annually...

    At the rate of growth the term Gigafactory might be outdated soon, but I can't imagine the name Terafactory taking off.
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    Phil said:

    And he's back to "respecting what local communities want" when it comes to NIMBYism and the total lack of housing.

    Sunak doesn't get it and will never get my vote.

    The conservatives are squeezed between what the country needs (infrastructure, housing) & what their core vote wants (build absolutely nothing anywhere).
    Anyone who is fit to be Prime Minister should be able to show leadership on what the country needs.

    Sunak doesn't. He's not fit to be in Downing Street.
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    FarooqFarooq Posts: 10,775

    Phil said:

    And he's back to "respecting what local communities want" when it comes to NIMBYism and the total lack of housing.

    Sunak doesn't get it and will never get my vote.

    The conservatives are squeezed between what the country needs (infrastructure, housing) & what their core vote wants (build absolutely nothing anywhere).
    Anyone who is fit to be Prime Minister should be able to show leadership on what the country needs.

    Sunak doesn't. He's not fit to be in Downing Street.
    Who is? Genuine question.
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,756

    Davies tears into Johnson.

    LOL.

    Tory civil war.

    Philip Davies?
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,636

    Davies tears into Johnson.

    LOL.

    Tory civil war.

    Philip Davies?
    Yup.

    Nadine Dorries is going to castrate Philip Davies.
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    RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 27,394

    Now apparently the people in the pockets of Russia are Labour. Not the Tories who have taken literal millions off Russia and appointed the KGB to the House of Lords.

    Do have to laugh. This is a thread about the red wall where Labour's lead is now 22% and still rising. Sunak seems to be aiming for 30%.

    I'm no fan of Sunak anymore, and thought he was silly with his other comments but he's completely right with what he said on this one.

    The idea of putting a ban on new licences in the North Sea, but not banning imports from abroad, will be something that seriously pleases Russia - and Saudi Arabia and other countries - but does absolutely nothing to help either Britain or the environment or climate change.

    It is a completely foolish policy.
    As a greeny-red, I fully agree. Until the need for hydrocarbons has gone, better to produce our own than import from despots and totalitarians.
    Oh I'm in full agreement. We still need oil and gas even as we transition away from them. Using our own makes far more sense than importing it.

    But to go back to the Russia snibe, the Tories have many millions of Russian money in their coffers, stopped asset freezes of their Russian patrons at the start of the Ukraine war, have appointed them to the Lords, and Johnson even had that Trumpian trip to see the KGB complete with top secret paperwork.

    So for the Tories to accuse anyone of being in hoc to Russia is hypocracy of the highest order.
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    RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 27,394
    edited June 2023
    Farooq said:

    Phil said:

    And he's back to "respecting what local communities want" when it comes to NIMBYism and the total lack of housing.

    Sunak doesn't get it and will never get my vote.

    The conservatives are squeezed between what the country needs (infrastructure, housing) & what their core vote wants (build absolutely nothing anywhere).
    Anyone who is fit to be Prime Minister should be able to show leadership on what the country needs.

    Sunak doesn't. He's not fit to be in Downing Street.
    Who is? Genuine question.
    Boris! Bring Back Boris!
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,756
    Nigelb said:

    Hyundai Motor Group And LGES Confirm 30 GWh Battery JV In Georgia
    It will be adjacent to the Hyundai Motor Group Metaplant America, which is currently under construction
    https://insideevs.com/news/671266/hyundai-lges-30gwh-battery-jv-georgia/
    ...LG Energy Solution noted that the new JV with Hyundai is actually its seventh battery plant project in the US (currently operating or being constructed). The total output of those plants is roughly 250-300 GWh annually...


    GM And Samsung SDI's Battery JV To Be Located In Indiana
    Construction of the 30+ GWh plant will start next year.
    https://insideevs.com/news/671839/gm-samsung-sdi-battery-jv-indiana/

    An awful lot of production is scheduled to start coming on stream in 2026.

    How refreshing that this article does not use that awful term g*g*factory.
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    glwglw Posts: 9,554
    Phil said:

    And he's back to "respecting what local communities want" when it comes to NIMBYism and the total lack of housing.

    Sunak doesn't get it and will never get my vote.

    The conservatives are squeezed between what the country needs (infrastructure, housing) & what their core vote wants (build absolutely nothing anywhere).
    That's true of all parties. Labour and Lib Dems might flirt with letting developers off the chain whilst in opposition, but in reality they are just as NIMBY. There hasn't been a government in my lifetime that has come close to building what we need.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,010
    Managed to wangle a 25 GB plan out of three for £8/mth.
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,756

    Davies tears into Johnson.

    LOL.

    Tory civil war.

    Philip Davies?
    Yup.

    Nadine Dorries is going to castrate Philip Davies.
    Gosh. My elected representative does something I approve of.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,903
    edited June 2023

    Davies tears into Johnson.

    LOL.

    Tory civil war.

    For restricting multi-buy deals on unhealthy foods.

    This is close to having a scrap over the cones hotline. Pitiful.
    Still more do that No10 is still trying to decide what to do.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,189
    edited June 2023
    Phil said:

    And he's back to "respecting what local communities want" when it comes to NIMBYism and the total lack of housing.

    Sunak doesn't get it and will never get my vote.

    The conservatives are squeezed between what the country needs (infrastructure, housing) & what their core vote wants (build absolutely nothing anywhere).
    Not just their core vote, 59% of voters overall oppose allowing more homes to be built on the greenbelt.

    If Starmer becomes PM and as he suggests he will do goes beyond building more houses and high rise on brownbelt land to allowing much more development in the greenbelt he will face huge opposition, especially in the South and outer London surbubs (even if he does win Bart's vote)

    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1658839136315273216
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    BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 18,822
    edited June 2023
    Farooq said:

    Phil said:

    And he's back to "respecting what local communities want" when it comes to NIMBYism and the total lack of housing.

    Sunak doesn't get it and will never get my vote.

    The conservatives are squeezed between what the country needs (infrastructure, housing) & what their core vote wants (build absolutely nothing anywhere).
    Anyone who is fit to be Prime Minister should be able to show leadership on what the country needs.

    Sunak doesn't. He's not fit to be in Downing Street.
    Who is? Genuine question.
    Hard to tell.

    Boris did get the importance of this, though he was a coward after the by-election loss the Lib Dems and a rebellion by Theresa May and others.

    Michael Gove has had good things to say in the past, but is the current relevant Secretary of State and has made things much worse not better.

    Keir Starmer has said some good things recently, but he's an opportunist and has as much integrity as Boris so it will be interesting to see if he actually comes up with credible policies on this matter or whether he tacks to win the NIMBY vote too.

    As much as I dislike Labour I'm starting to think the only way this issue might end up getting tackled is if there's a 1997-style Labour landslide that allows the Government to ignore the NIMBY squeals and pass the legislation the country desperately requires, putting the interests of the country ahead of NIMBY local election concerns.

    An 80 seat Tory majority should have been allowed the Tories to tackle this issue themselves, but they've ran away from it instead, for shame.
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 33,246
    @whatukthinks

    Latest @YouGov @thetimes poll. In hindsight #Brexit right 32 (-1); wrong 56 (+1). % wrong matches previous record high. Fwork 6-7.6 (ch since 30-31.5) bit.ly/46ghmPJ
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,189
    Farooq said:

    HYUFD said:

    Now quite a clear gap opening up between the redwall and bluewall, at least on views of Sunak.

    While Labour leads in both, their lead is a massive 22% in the redwall now but just 4% in the bluewall.

    In the redwall Starmer leads as preferred PM by a clear 40% to just 31% for Sunak.
    https://redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-red-wall-voting-intention-11-june-2023/

    In the bluewall however Sunak still leads as preferred PM on 39% to 35% for Starmer
    https://redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-blue-wall-voting-intention-4-june-2023/

    There speaks a man inured to the conquering of his heartland.

    Labour winning in the home counties. Ill-bred Labour councillors astride the leafy meadows of Surrey. Poorly spoken activists harassing the middle aged women of Aylesbury. What have you lost HYUFD? You have Redcar but a man who's school had no motto is going to take your home.
    HYUFD thinks the Hindus are coming to save him. They probably aren't.
    Well only 1.6% of the country are Hindu, so they can only save him in a few areas like Outer West London and Leicester
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,189
    Scott_xP said:

    @whatukthinks

    Latest @YouGov @thetimes poll. In hindsight #Brexit right 32 (-1); wrong 56 (+1). % wrong matches previous record high. Fwork 6-7.6 (ch since 30-31.5) bit.ly/46ghmPJ

    32% right still higher than the average Tory voting intention voteshare
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    glwglw Posts: 9,554

    Now apparently the people in the pockets of Russia are Labour. Not the Tories who have taken literal millions off Russia and appointed the KGB to the House of Lords.

    Do have to laugh. This is a thread about the red wall where Labour's lead is now 22% and still rising. Sunak seems to be aiming for 30%.

    I'm no fan of Sunak anymore, and thought he was silly with his other comments but he's completely right with what he said on this one.

    The idea of putting a ban on new licences in the North Sea, but not banning imports from abroad, will be something that seriously pleases Russia - and Saudi Arabia and other countries - but does absolutely nothing to help either Britain or the environment or climate change.

    It is a completely foolish policy.
    As a greeny-red, I fully agree. Until the need for hydrocarbons has gone, better to produce our own than import from despots and totalitarians.
    It's a perfect example of everything wrong with Labour, they favour what looks good, and it will get the plaudits from the usual eco-lobbyists, over what is good in practice. If the last 15 months haven't demonstrated that we might need to be a bit more self-sufficient when it comes to energy what the hell will?
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,469
    Depressingly few MPs in Chamber for the Nottingham incident debate/UQ.

    Lunch is more important it seems...
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 27,050
    It looks like New Democracy are heading for a majority in the second Greek general election of the year.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_June_2023_Greek_legislative_election
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    glwglw Posts: 9,554
    HYUFD said:

    Phil said:

    And he's back to "respecting what local communities want" when it comes to NIMBYism and the total lack of housing.

    Sunak doesn't get it and will never get my vote.

    The conservatives are squeezed between what the country needs (infrastructure, housing) & what their core vote wants (build absolutely nothing anywhere).
    Not just their core vote, 59% of voters overall oppose allowing more homes to be built on the greenbelt.

    If Starmer becomes PM and as he suggests he will do goes beyond building more houses on brownbelt land to allowing much more development in the greenbelt he will face huge opposition, especially in the South and outer London surbubs (even if he does win Bart's vote)

    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1658839136315273216
    Do any of the 59% have a plan for where everyone is going to live in the decades ahead? Tent shanty-towns in Surrey I suppose.
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    Nigelb said:

    Davies tears into Johnson.

    LOL.

    Tory civil war.

    For restricting multi-buy deals on unhealthy foods.

    This is close to having a scrap over the cones hotline. Pitiful.
    Still more do that No10 is still trying to decide what to do.
    It was a good question.

    Its a silly and nannying policy at the best of times but during a cost of living crisis and rampant food inflation is it really sensible to introduce a policy banning BOGOF or similar offers on food?
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,971

    Depressingly few MPs in Chamber for the Nottingham incident debate/UQ.

    Lunch is more important it seems...

    The more details that come out about this incident, the more horrible the whole thing sounds.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/06/14/nottingham-attack-latest-van-stabbing-arrest-victims-live/ (no paywall)
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    FarooqFarooq Posts: 10,775

    Farooq said:

    Phil said:

    And he's back to "respecting what local communities want" when it comes to NIMBYism and the total lack of housing.

    Sunak doesn't get it and will never get my vote.

    The conservatives are squeezed between what the country needs (infrastructure, housing) & what their core vote wants (build absolutely nothing anywhere).
    Anyone who is fit to be Prime Minister should be able to show leadership on what the country needs.

    Sunak doesn't. He's not fit to be in Downing Street.
    Who is? Genuine question.
    Hard to tell.

    Boris did get the importance of this, though he was a coward after the by-election loss the Lib Dems and a rebellion by Theresa May and others.

    Michael Gove has had good things to say in the past, but is the current relevant Secretary of State and has made things much worse not better.

    Keir Starmer has said some good things recently, but he's an opportunist and has as much integrity as Boris so it will be interesting to see if he actually comes up with credible policies on this matter or whether he tacks to win the NIMBY vote too.

    As much as I dislike Labour I'm starting to think the only way this issue might end up getting tackled is if there's a 1997-style Labour landslide that allows the Government to pass ignore the NIMBY squeals and pass the legislation the country desperately requires, putting the interests of the country ahead of NIMBY local election concerns.

    An 80 seat Tory majority should have been allowed the Tories to tackle this issue themselves, but they've ran away from it instead, for shame.
    Interesting. Agree with some of what you've put there, but the idea of a Labour landslide doesn't fill me with any joy at all. I'd settle for having some adults in charge and I have to say Sunak really isn't that bad. It's just some of those sat behind him are. In terms of the current Conservatives, you could do a lot worse than Sunak. In terms of the current Labour Party, you could do a lot worse than Starmer. That's a decent situation heading into the election.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,469
    John Rentoul
    @JohnRentoul
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    16m
    Another notable Q earlier from Theresa Villiers: huge Tory cheer for an attack on Sadiq Khan's Ulez scheme – they really think its unpopularity might swing the Uxbridge by-election
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    eekeek Posts: 25,042

    Depressingly few MPs in Chamber for the Nottingham incident debate/UQ.

    Lunch is more important it seems...

    What is there to debate - until we know what actually happened and have time to investigate if anything could have been done differently.
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    WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 8,503
    edited June 2023
    glw said:

    Now apparently the people in the pockets of Russia are Labour. Not the Tories who have taken literal millions off Russia and appointed the KGB to the House of Lords.

    Do have to laugh. This is a thread about the red wall where Labour's lead is now 22% and still rising. Sunak seems to be aiming for 30%.

    I'm no fan of Sunak anymore, and thought he was silly with his other comments but he's completely right with what he said on this one.

    The idea of putting a ban on new licences in the North Sea, but not banning imports from abroad, will be something that seriously pleases Russia - and Saudi Arabia and other countries - but does absolutely nothing to help either Britain or the environment or climate change.

    It is a completely foolish policy.
    As a greeny-red, I fully agree. Until the need for hydrocarbons has gone, better to produce our own than import from despots and totalitarians.
    It's a perfect example of everything wrong with Labour, they favour what looks good, and it will get the plaudits from the usual eco-lobbyists, over what is good in practice. If the last 15 months haven't demonstrated that we might need to be a bit more self-sufficient when it comes to energy what the hell will?
    Our beautiful Tories, ofcourse, would never be known to have made up policy, just in short-term priorities of what looks good in the media..

    No siree...
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    LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 15,488

    Nigelb said:

    Hyundai Motor Group And LGES Confirm 30 GWh Battery JV In Georgia
    It will be adjacent to the Hyundai Motor Group Metaplant America, which is currently under construction
    https://insideevs.com/news/671266/hyundai-lges-30gwh-battery-jv-georgia/
    ...LG Energy Solution noted that the new JV with Hyundai is actually its seventh battery plant project in the US (currently operating or being constructed). The total output of those plants is roughly 250-300 GWh annually...

    At the rate of growth the term Gigafactory might be outdated soon, but I can't imagine the name Terafactory taking off.
    How about a mega-megafactory?
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,010

    John Rentoul
    @JohnRentoul
    ·
    16m
    Another notable Q earlier from Theresa Villiers: huge Tory cheer for an attack on Sadiq Khan's Ulez scheme – they really think its unpopularity might swing the Uxbridge by-election

    No chance.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,636
    Pulpstar said:

    Managed to wangle a 25 GB plan out of three for £8/mth.

    Plan is for deal to happen by the end of 2024 and then within three years Vodafone can buy out Three.

    So suspect Three is hear until 2027ish.
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    glw said:

    HYUFD said:

    Phil said:

    And he's back to "respecting what local communities want" when it comes to NIMBYism and the total lack of housing.

    Sunak doesn't get it and will never get my vote.

    The conservatives are squeezed between what the country needs (infrastructure, housing) & what their core vote wants (build absolutely nothing anywhere).
    Not just their core vote, 59% of voters overall oppose allowing more homes to be built on the greenbelt.

    If Starmer becomes PM and as he suggests he will do goes beyond building more houses on brownbelt land to allowing much more development in the greenbelt he will face huge opposition, especially in the South and outer London surbubs (even if he does win Bart's vote)

    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1658839136315273216
    Do any of the 59% have a plan for where everyone is going to live in the decades ahead? Tent shanty-towns in Surrey I suppose.
    "Brownfield", "high rise" or "overseas" seem to be the preferred options.

    Not that they want those options for themselves. Oh no, there's no reason they shouldn't have a detached home with a garden but other people wanting a semi-detached with a garden is utterly unreasonable because "my view" might be impaired.
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    Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 7,609

    Farooq said:

    Phil said:

    And he's back to "respecting what local communities want" when it comes to NIMBYism and the total lack of housing.

    Sunak doesn't get it and will never get my vote.

    The conservatives are squeezed between what the country needs (infrastructure, housing) & what their core vote wants (build absolutely nothing anywhere).
    Anyone who is fit to be Prime Minister should be able to show leadership on what the country needs.

    Sunak doesn't. He's not fit to be in Downing Street.
    Who is? Genuine question.
    Hard to tell.

    Boris did get the importance of this, though he was a coward after the by-election loss the Lib Dems and a rebellion by Theresa May and others.

    Michael Gove has had good things to say in the past, but is the current relevant Secretary of State and has made things much worse not better.

    Keir Starmer has said some good things recently, but he's an opportunist and has as much integrity as Boris so it will be interesting to see if he actually comes up with credible policies on this matter or whether he tacks to win the NIMBY vote too.

    As much as I dislike Labour I'm starting to think the only way this issue might end up getting tackled is if there's a 1997-style Labour landslide that allows the Government to ignore the NIMBY squeals and pass the legislation the country desperately requires, putting the interests of the country ahead of NIMBY local election concerns.

    An 80 seat Tory majority should have been allowed the Tories to tackle this issue themselves, but they've ran away from it instead, for shame.
    Actually it's just possible that, if Labour win a majority, taking the NIMBYs on and defeating them could be the best way of building a coalition of support of all ages that would take them to a second GE victory in 2029 or whenever.
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    numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 5,527
    glw said:

    Now apparently the people in the pockets of Russia are Labour. Not the Tories who have taken literal millions off Russia and appointed the KGB to the House of Lords.

    Do have to laugh. This is a thread about the red wall where Labour's lead is now 22% and still rising. Sunak seems to be aiming for 30%.

    I'm no fan of Sunak anymore, and thought he was silly with his other comments but he's completely right with what he said on this one.

    The idea of putting a ban on new licences in the North Sea, but not banning imports from abroad, will be something that seriously pleases Russia - and Saudi Arabia and other countries - but does absolutely nothing to help either Britain or the environment or climate change.

    It is a completely foolish policy.
    As a greeny-red, I fully agree. Until the need for hydrocarbons has gone, better to produce our own than import from despots and totalitarians.
    It's a perfect example of everything wrong with Labour, they favour what looks good, and it will get the plaudits from the usual eco-lobbyists, over what is good in practice. If the last 15 months haven't demonstrated that we might need to be a bit more self-sufficient when it comes to energy what the hell will?
    There is a lot of Labour policy that isn’t going to see the light of day when it comes to manifestos, IMHO. Reeves rowing back on the investment figures is just the start of a calculated retreat on some of these things.

    We really want to, but given the mess the Tories have left us and the state of the world right now….
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    TimSTimS Posts: 9,861

    HYUFD said:

    Now quite a clear gap opening up between the redwall and bluewall, at least on views of Sunak.

    While Labour leads in both, their lead is a massive 22% in the redwall now but just 4% in the bluewall.

    In the redwall Starmer leads as preferred PM by a clear 40% to just 31% for Sunak.
    https://redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-red-wall-voting-intention-11-june-2023/

    In the bluewall however Sunak still leads as preferred PM on 39% to 35% for Starmer
    https://redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-blue-wall-voting-intention-4-june-2023/

    On Topic. Wall polling tends to go sharply up and down with each sample, what Tories lost in this sample they may easily get back and some, with next sample. They are charts crying out for more flat direction of travel lines drawn through them.
    Wall polling is a good term. Walpole. Next time we’re idly speculating on opinion on one of the walls I’ll be saying “we could really do with a couple of walpoles”.

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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,756
    HYUFD said:

    Phil said:

    And he's back to "respecting what local communities want" when it comes to NIMBYism and the total lack of housing.

    Sunak doesn't get it and will never get my vote.

    The conservatives are squeezed between what the country needs (infrastructure, housing) & what their core vote wants (build absolutely nothing anywhere).
    Not just their core vote, 59% of voters overall oppose allowing more homes to be built on the greenbelt.

    If Starmer becomes PM and as he suggests he will do goes beyond building more houses and high rise on brownbelt land to allowing much more development in the greenbelt he will face huge opposition, especially in the South and outer London surbubs (even if he does win Bart's vote)

    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1658839136315273216
    And opposition from some inside the party (such as me) too.
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    glwglw Posts: 9,554

    Our beautiful Tories, ofcourse, would never be known to have made up policy, just in short-term priorities of what looks good in the media..

    No siree...

    I wasn't praising the Tories. Just pointing out that the Labour Party's ecological credentials are nuts if they really think that importing oil and gas is better than producing it in the North Sea. This would have been a bad idea in 2021, in 2023 it is demonstrably dangerous as well.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,903
    edited June 2023
    Judge lets E. Jean Carroll add Trump’s post-verdict remarks to original defamation case
    Following the verdict that found Trump liable for defamation, the former president called Carroll a “whack job.”https://www.politico.com/news/2023/06/13/trump-defamation-case-e-jean-carroll-00101825
    ...A trial has been delayed for the initial lawsuit, as courts weigh whether Trump can be sued in his personal capacity over comments he made while president. On Tuesday, Judge Lewis Kaplan called on the Justice Department to make that determination by July 13.

    “We look forward to moving ahead expeditiously on E. Jean Carroll’s remaining claims,” Robbie Kaplan, an attorney for Carroll, told POLITICO.

    It’s another legal blow from Trump — whose lawyers sought to block the amendment — that comes the same day the former president was arraigned in a Florida court on 37 federal felony charges related to his handling of classified documents...
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    Farooq said:

    Phil said:

    And he's back to "respecting what local communities want" when it comes to NIMBYism and the total lack of housing.

    Sunak doesn't get it and will never get my vote.

    The conservatives are squeezed between what the country needs (infrastructure, housing) & what their core vote wants (build absolutely nothing anywhere).
    Anyone who is fit to be Prime Minister should be able to show leadership on what the country needs.

    Sunak doesn't. He's not fit to be in Downing Street.
    Who is? Genuine question.
    Hard to tell.

    Boris did get the importance of this, though he was a coward after the by-election loss the Lib Dems and a rebellion by Theresa May and others.

    Michael Gove has had good things to say in the past, but is the current relevant Secretary of State and has made things much worse not better.

    Keir Starmer has said some good things recently, but he's an opportunist and has as much integrity as Boris so it will be interesting to see if he actually comes up with credible policies on this matter or whether he tacks to win the NIMBY vote too.

    As much as I dislike Labour I'm starting to think the only way this issue might end up getting tackled is if there's a 1997-style Labour landslide that allows the Government to ignore the NIMBY squeals and pass the legislation the country desperately requires, putting the interests of the country ahead of NIMBY local election concerns.

    An 80 seat Tory majority should have been allowed the Tories to tackle this issue themselves, but they've ran away from it instead, for shame.
    Actually it's just possible that, if Labour win a majority, taking the NIMBYs on and defeating them could be the best way of building a coalition of support of all ages that would take them to a second GE victory in 2029 or whenever.
    Showing leadership and taking on vested interests is what good governance sometimes is about.

    Thatcher rightly saw the importance of people having their own home and she deservedly increased her majority in 1983 and won multiple landslide elections.

    If Starmer actually does 'get it' and does take the NIMBYs on and defeat them, and is the first PM since Thatcher to take major steps to ensuring everyone has the opportunity to have a home of their own from their own wages they work for, then he would thoroughly deserve a landslide victory afterwards.

    I'm not holding my breath though.
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,756
    glw said:

    HYUFD said:

    Phil said:

    And he's back to "respecting what local communities want" when it comes to NIMBYism and the total lack of housing.

    Sunak doesn't get it and will never get my vote.

    The conservatives are squeezed between what the country needs (infrastructure, housing) & what their core vote wants (build absolutely nothing anywhere).
    Not just their core vote, 59% of voters overall oppose allowing more homes to be built on the greenbelt.

    If Starmer becomes PM and as he suggests he will do goes beyond building more houses on brownbelt land to allowing much more development in the greenbelt he will face huge opposition, especially in the South and outer London surbubs (even if he does win Bart's vote)

    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1658839136315273216
    Do any of the 59% have a plan for where everyone is going to live in the decades ahead? Tent shanty-towns in Surrey I suppose.
    Rwanda.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,636
    I said the other day I expected Selby & Ainsty to be a Tory hold, now I'm not so sure.

    New: Tory candidate for Selby has been accused of backing "dangerous" fracking after he said shale gas was "plentiful" and that he supported exploration

    Research suggests two thirds of Selby is covered by oil and gas licences


    https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/politics/tory-candidate-for-selby-accused-of-backing-dangerous-fracking-4181625
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,756

    John Rentoul
    @JohnRentoul
    ·
    16m
    Another notable Q earlier from Theresa Villiers: huge Tory cheer for an attack on Sadiq Khan's Ulez scheme – they really think its unpopularity might swing the Uxbridge by-election

    "Vote Conservative and we'll poison your children"
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 27,050
    edited June 2023

    John Rentoul
    @JohnRentoul
    ·
    16m
    Another notable Q earlier from Theresa Villiers: huge Tory cheer for an attack on Sadiq Khan's Ulez scheme – they really think its unpopularity might swing the Uxbridge by-election

    I think the most likely Tory loss is Mid Beds to the LDs, not Uxbridge (or Selby). The choice of Conservative candidate in Uxbridge will be interesting.
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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,913
    edited June 2023

    Phil said:

    And he's back to "respecting what local communities want" when it comes to NIMBYism and the total lack of housing.

    Sunak doesn't get it and will never get my vote.

    The conservatives are squeezed between what the country needs (infrastructure, housing) & what their core vote wants (build absolutely nothing anywhere).
    Anyone who is fit to be Prime Minister should be able to show leadership on what the country needs.

    Sunak doesn't. He's not fit to be in Downing Street.

    Sunak might not be fit to be in Downing St but after your fawning over Johnson for three years and a half years I think he'd be advised to get a second opinion.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,189
    edited June 2023
    glw said:

    HYUFD said:

    Phil said:

    And he's back to "respecting what local communities want" when it comes to NIMBYism and the total lack of housing.

    Sunak doesn't get it and will never get my vote.

    The conservatives are squeezed between what the country needs (infrastructure, housing) & what their core vote wants (build absolutely nothing anywhere).
    Not just their core vote, 59% of voters overall oppose allowing more homes to be built on the greenbelt.

    If Starmer becomes PM and as he suggests he will do goes beyond building more houses on brownbelt land to allowing much more development in the greenbelt he will face huge opposition, especially in the South and outer London surbubs (even if he does win Bart's vote)

    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1658839136315273216
    Do any of the 59% have a plan for where everyone is going to live in the decades ahead? Tent shanty-towns in Surrey I suppose.
    If we cut immigration significantly we wouldn't need so many new houses.

    The UK birthrate is only 1.6 now, well below replacement level
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,971
    glw said:

    Our beautiful Tories, ofcourse, would never be known to have made up policy, just in short-term priorities of what looks good in the media..

    No siree...

    I wasn't praising the Tories. Just pointing out that the Labour Party's ecological credentials are nuts if they really think that importing oil and gas is better than producing it in the North Sea. This would have been a bad idea in 2021, in 2023 it is demonstrably dangerous as well.
    Does Sir Keir not see the link, between self-sufficiency in energy and the increase in utility bills last year?

    To summarise for his benefit, countries self-sufficient in energy (France, USA, sandpit) now pay a lot less than those not self-sufficient in energy, thanks to the global energy markets being turned up-side down by war and pandemic in recent times.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,903
    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @whatukthinks

    Latest @YouGov @thetimes poll. In hindsight #Brexit right 32 (-1); wrong 56 (+1). % wrong matches previous record high. Fwork 6-7.6 (ch since 30-31.5) bit.ly/46ghmPJ

    32% right still higher than the average Tory voting intention voteshare
    So you're even losing Brexiteers.

    Heckuva job.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,799
    Might not help the Greens in Brighton Pavilion:

    Brighton and Hove has been “pushed closer to financial disaster” after Green councillors overspent the council’s budget by more than £3 million last year, figures show.

    Statistics discovered by the new Labour council in Brighton and Hove show that the previous Green-led administration had burst the annual budget for the first time “in many years”.


    https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/23584546.brighton-green-councillors-overspent-council-budget-3-million/
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    glwglw Posts: 9,554
    HYUFD said:

    If we cut immigration significantly we wouldn't need so many new houses.

    The UK birthrate is only 1.6 now, well below replacement level

    Immigration is booming, nobody can stop it by any means the country would support. It will likely remain in the hundreds of thousands, as there's no reason to think people are going to stop migrating, especially as the world warms.

    The UK will quite likely exceed a population of 70 million within a couple of years. 80 million by 2050 looks entirely plausible too.

    WHERE ARE WE ALL GOING TO LIVE AND WORK IF WE DON'T BUILD ANYTHING?
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    noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 20,875

    John Rentoul
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    Another notable Q earlier from Theresa Villiers: huge Tory cheer for an attack on Sadiq Khan's Ulez scheme – they really think its unpopularity might swing the Uxbridge by-election

    ULEZ expansion is a big change and will certainly cost Labour votes.

    It is probably the right thing to do but the 700,000 drivers who will have to pay or buy replacement cars are going to be far, far more likely to vote based on this issue than the several million who will gain marginally in air quality and less severe increases in fares/taxes elsewhere.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,903

    Nigelb said:

    Hyundai Motor Group And LGES Confirm 30 GWh Battery JV In Georgia
    It will be adjacent to the Hyundai Motor Group Metaplant America, which is currently under construction
    https://insideevs.com/news/671266/hyundai-lges-30gwh-battery-jv-georgia/
    ...LG Energy Solution noted that the new JV with Hyundai is actually its seventh battery plant project in the US (currently operating or being constructed). The total output of those plants is roughly 250-300 GWh annually...

    At the rate of growth the term Gigafactory might be outdated soon, but I can't imagine the name Terafactory taking off.
    How about a mega-megafactory?
    A BiggerGiga.
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