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  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,319
    Leon said:

    A tweet for Leon.

    I am never going back to fucking Cincinnati in my life. Their ballpark tried to tell me this sandwich was a “local delicacy”. They can go to hell.

    https://twitter.com/cooperlund/status/1666806641558425600?s=46&t=L9g_woCIqbo1MTuBFCK0xg

    Lol

    The comments are hilarious. But harsh. Cincinnati has many problems but I’ve been in worse places in the USA
    I regularly use “Cincinnati” as the butt of jokes to my all-American team. None seem to mind, although perhaps complaints are stacking up with HR and they just haven’t told me.

    The best thing about Cincinnati is of course the name, it’s up there with Kalamazoo, Chattanooga, and Tuscaloosa.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,504
    Leon said:

    A tweet for Leon.

    I am never going back to fucking Cincinnati in my life. Their ballpark tried to tell me this sandwich was a “local delicacy”. They can go to hell.

    https://twitter.com/cooperlund/status/1666806641558425600?s=46&t=L9g_woCIqbo1MTuBFCK0xg

    Lol

    The comments are hilarious. But harsh. Cincinnati has many problems but I’ve been in worse places in the USA
    Most places have good and bad sides to them, and how you encounter them can make a massive difference. Yesterday I ran from Stamford to Peterborough, with a little excursion to the outskirts of Whittlesea.

    Stamford is well-known as being a beautiful place, and it was, even in the early-morning clouds. Yet Peterborough is often regarded as a dump. Yet the sun was shining when I got there, and it looked magnificent; whether by the river, or near the cathedral. I had a laugh with a lady in a headscarf, and saw a motorcyclist knocked off his bike in a ultra-low speed collision and laugh with the driver afterwards.

    (whispers quietly): is it okay to say I *like* Peterborough?
  • 148grss148grss Posts: 4,155

    148grss said:

    Chris said:



    Being trans doesn't affect anyone else either, when it comes to pronouns etc, but does when it comes to safeguarding. When it comes to safeguarding, there needs to be a sensible balance of risk, that's what safeguarding is all about.

    I'm just curious. Can anyone point to a case where a criminal offence has been facilitated (in any practical way) by the perpetrator claiming to be trans?
    Yep Karen White

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/oct/11/transgender-prisoner-who-sexually-assaulted-inmates-jailed-for-life

    I assumed the original post meant "facilitated (in any practical way) by the perpetrator FALSELY claiming to be trans". I would say Karen White is not "claiming" to be trans, she just is trans.
    It's rather the claim to be female that is false.
    So you don't believe people can be trans?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,606
    viewcode said:

    Leon said:

    I understand that all British people ever talk about is trans issues but it is quite off putting to a “citizen of the world” like me. You sound deranged and obsessed

    Perhaps if you posted a picture of a plate with food on it, or a glass containing a drink, then that would distract people. The world eagerly awaits.
    As requested. Cincinnati “chili”

    It is genuinely disgusting. Cheese noodles cumin cinnamon vinegar chocolate and chili. The cheese is industrial cheddar and cold





  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,319
    edited June 2023

    Leon said:

    A tweet for Leon.

    I am never going back to fucking Cincinnati in my life. Their ballpark tried to tell me this sandwich was a “local delicacy”. They can go to hell.

    https://twitter.com/cooperlund/status/1666806641558425600?s=46&t=L9g_woCIqbo1MTuBFCK0xg

    Lol

    The comments are hilarious. But harsh. Cincinnati has many problems but I’ve been in worse places in the USA
    Most places have good and bad sides to them, and how you encounter them can make a massive difference. Yesterday I ran from Stamford to Peterborough, with a little excursion to the outskirts of Whittlesea.

    Stamford is well-known as being a beautiful place, and it was, even in the early-morning clouds. Yet Peterborough is often regarded as a dump. Yet the sun was shining when I got there, and it looked magnificent; whether by the river, or near the cathedral. I had a laugh with a lady in a headscarf, and saw a motorcyclist knocked off his bike in a ultra-low speed collision and laugh with the driver afterwards.

    (whispers quietly): is it okay to say I *like* Peterborough?
    Peterborough *should* be booming.
    Nice cathedral, cheapish property, convenient links to both London and Cambridge.

    It probably needs some redevelopment to get rid of ugly 60s/70s excrescence, and the government should try to support the consolidation of an agritech research cluster there (it is equidistant between East Anglia and Lincolnshire).

    It needs to break off from the silly Combined Authority with Cambridgeshire, though. Else it will always play second fiddle to Cambridge.

    Independence for the Soke.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,303
    148grss said:

    148grss said:

    Chris said:



    Being trans doesn't affect anyone else either, when it comes to pronouns etc, but does when it comes to safeguarding. When it comes to safeguarding, there needs to be a sensible balance of risk, that's what safeguarding is all about.

    I'm just curious. Can anyone point to a case where a criminal offence has been facilitated (in any practical way) by the perpetrator claiming to be trans?
    Yep Karen White

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/oct/11/transgender-prisoner-who-sexually-assaulted-inmates-jailed-for-life

    I assumed the original post meant "facilitated (in any practical way) by the perpetrator FALSELY claiming to be trans". I would say Karen White is not "claiming" to be trans, she just is trans.
    It's rather the claim to be female that is false.
    So you don't believe people can be trans?
    I don't believe that Karen White is female. Do you?
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,546
    148grss said:

    Chris said:



    Being trans doesn't affect anyone else either, when it comes to pronouns etc, but does when it comes to safeguarding. When it comes to safeguarding, there needs to be a sensible balance of risk, that's what safeguarding is all about.

    I'm just curious. Can anyone point to a case where a criminal offence has been facilitated (in any practical way) by the perpetrator claiming to be trans?
    Yep Karen White

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/oct/11/transgender-prisoner-who-sexually-assaulted-inmates-jailed-for-life

    I assumed the original post meant "facilitated (in any practical way) by the perpetrator FALSELY claiming to be trans". I would say Karen White is not "claiming" to be trans, she just is trans.
    Or claiming to be trans so as to be a predator.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,987
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,424
    Leon said:

    viewcode said:

    Leon said:

    I understand that all British people ever talk about is trans issues but it is quite off putting to a “citizen of the world” like me. You sound deranged and obsessed

    Perhaps if you posted a picture of a plate with food on it, or a glass containing a drink, then that would distract people. The world eagerly awaits.
    As requested. Cincinnati “chili”

    It is genuinely disgusting. Cheese noodles cumin cinnamon vinegar chocolate and chili. The cheese is industrial cheddar and cold





    Were they just scooping jars from the c-shelf? (Presumably "cooking vinegar")
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,352
    HYUFD said:
    Interesting name. Sounds like a character from Great Expectations
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,417
    Leon said:

    viewcode said:

    Leon said:

    I understand that all British people ever talk about is trans issues but it is quite off putting to a “citizen of the world” like me. You sound deranged and obsessed

    Perhaps if you posted a picture of a plate with food on it, or a glass containing a drink, then that would distract people. The world eagerly awaits.
    As requested. Cincinnati “chili”

    It is genuinely disgusting. Cheese noodles cumin cinnamon vinegar chocolate and chili. The cheese is industrial cheddar and cold



    Lol the server looks a bit like Joe Burrow.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,401
    edited June 2023

    Leon said:

    A tweet for Leon.

    I am never going back to fucking Cincinnati in my life. Their ballpark tried to tell me this sandwich was a “local delicacy”. They can go to hell.

    https://twitter.com/cooperlund/status/1666806641558425600?s=46&t=L9g_woCIqbo1MTuBFCK0xg

    Lol

    The comments are hilarious. But harsh. Cincinnati has many problems but I’ve been in worse places in the USA
    Most places have good and bad sides to them, and how you encounter them can make a massive difference. Yesterday I ran from Stamford to Peterborough, with a little excursion to the outskirts of Whittlesea.

    Stamford is well-known as being a beautiful place, and it was, even in the early-morning clouds. Yet Peterborough is often regarded as a dump. Yet the sun was shining when I got there, and it looked magnificent; whether by the river, or near the cathedral. I had a laugh with a lady in a headscarf, and saw a motorcyclist knocked off his bike in a ultra-low speed collision and laugh with the driver afterwards.

    (whispers quietly): is it okay to say I *like* Peterborough?
    Perfectly.

    Had a nice day out more years ago than I like, but it evidently still has its nice museum in an old hospital between the cathedral and station with some seriously good fossils. edit: inclokuding sea reptiles, from ther local JUrassic clay brickpits and river gravels, amongst other stuff. And Flag Fen the archaeological site on the outskirts, just where the fens begin.

    https://peterboroughmuseum.org.uk/our-galleries
    https://flagfen.org.uk/
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,972

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    ...

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    To defend BJO a little, the banning of Jamie Driscoll from seeking re-election to North of Tyne is the very worst kind of political McCarthyism.

    He represents the left of the party, is backed by the cranks, but hasn't shown any real sign of being one himself. And the cranks McDonnell et al - are still Labour MPs having not been banned themselves.

    And so here we are - antisemitism is the Labour kyptonite. Jezbollah so damaged the party that anyone who goes anywhere near the "what Antisemitism it was all a scam" crowd" is seen as a potential stick to beat the party with. It's silly, its unfair, but it is a direct result of "there was no AS / AS was a conspiracy / Jezza was framed" narrative that the cranks still peddle even today.

    C'est La Vie.

    'The rapid decline of the Labour Left since 2019 has been astonishing. Earlier this year, Labour announced that under no circumstances could Jeremy Corbyn stand as Labour’s candidate in his Islington North seat at the next election. At the same time, of the 123 new Labour candidates so far chosen to stand in vacated or target seats, only two are firmly on the Left: Faiza Shaheen, an economist who will again challenge Iain Duncan Smith in Chingford and Woodford Green, and Chris Webb in Blackpool South.
    Under Starmer, the party apparatus has gone to extraordinary lengths to stop Left-wingers from getting on to the longlist. And in many cases, the victims are trades unionists and socialists whose politics — like Driscoll’s — are not exactly Corbynite. This week, l learnt of two would-be MPs in north Lancashire who have just been told by party officials that there is no point in applying as they will be excluded at the “due diligence stage.'
    https://unherd.com/2023/06/starmer-will-regret-purging-the-left/?tl_inbound=1&tl_groups[0]=18743&tl_period_type=3&mc_cid=6f43f88c9c&mc_eid=4bd8087faf
    Funnily enough the rapid decline of the Conservative Party is far more astonishing and something you and others still are in total denial of.

    Non-policies written in crayon to pander to Golliwog fans. Massive corruption with His brother and now dad heading for gongs and billions of our money grifted into certain people's back pockets for no return. Immorality so bad that the head of the Conservative Party at Prayer himself has to stridently condemn it in the Other Place.

    None of that bothers you. Yet you point at the spec in the eye of others and shout.
    Yet as BJO confirms the Conservatives never isolated the right of the party as Starmer has so isolated the Labour left.

    Even Cameron's A List of CCHQ approved Parliamentary candidates of liberals and 'modernisers' pre 2010 didn't ostracise experienced and hardworking rightwing Conservative activists and councillors as much as the NEC has ostracised experienced and hardworking Labour activists and councillors from standing for Parliament for the party.

    Same for Blair who kept Benn, Skinner and Prescott in his tent despite big ideological differences with them
    Wowsers.

    Boris purged the left of the party. Former Deputy PM Michael Heseltine. Former Chancellors Kenneth Clarke and Phillip Hammond. Winston Churchill's Grandson. Stewart. Soubry. Gauke. Gymah.

    That you have the hypocrisy to claim that only Labour have purged their party and that the Tories remain a broad church is comedy gold, even for you.
    There are plenty of Remainers still Conservative MPs Jeremy Hunt, Greg Clarke, Matt Hancock, Jeremy Wright, Theresa May, Liz Truss, David Mundell, Alex Chalk etc were all allowed to stand again by CCHQ even under Boris. Only MPs who refused to vote for the Withdrawal Agreement or Brexit Deal or No Deal were deselected.

    Even Cameron kept IDS as a parliamentary candidate, Starmer has even deselected Corbyn, his predecessor as party leader in whose Shadow Cabinet he served.

    If activists and councillors on the left who keep Labour going in opposition (as activists and councillors on the right keep the Conservatives going in opposition) are all prevented from standing in parliamentary seats that is not a healthy future for the party longer term if they are all replaced by centrist careerists who will all scarper as soon as things get tough. To be fair Cameron had a few of those too, no names mentioned Louise Mensch
    The problem is HY, if you had attended Labour Party branch meetings, as I used to, in the 1980s and 1990s you find that these normally middle class ideological morons have nothing to say of any practical application. They used to bang on about nuclear disarmament and doves of peace, they lost themselves in their Marxist purity, but would run a mile from the Soviet system they would be happy to impose on the rest of us. It's all very Animal Farm, and they would expect to be the pigs. Can you think of any practical use for the politics of Dickie Burgon or Laura Pidcock?

    I am at the point where I don't care who wins the next general election, but if Jeremy Corbyn is going to be anywhere near the levers of power, one might as well stick with Braverman or Johnson.
    Yes - comedy. Also me referring to the Laura as "Laura Pillock" got me suspended briefly from the Labour Party which set in motion my departure. So she did the world at least one favour.

    That's another thing. They are happy to blow the whistle and brandish the red card, but when the boot is on the other foot they whine like Ned Beatty in Deliverance.
    The Pillock fan who whined about me was the activist I talk about who repeatedly berated LLLLLLLLLLL voters with literal finger jabbing on their own doorsteps beacause they didn't pledge fealty to Jezbollah.

    Getting suspended by her complaint was almost a badge of honour. Though having had it reversed I realised I couldn't tolerate cranks any longer.
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,352

    Trans debate is so 2022 guys.
    Move on.

    Has it transitioned?
  • 148grss148grss Posts: 4,155
    Pulpstar said:

    Chris said:



    Being trans doesn't affect anyone else either, when it comes to pronouns etc, but does when it comes to safeguarding. When it comes to safeguarding, there needs to be a sensible balance of risk, that's what safeguarding is all about.

    I'm just curious. Can anyone point to a case where a criminal offence has been facilitated (in any practical way) by the perpetrator claiming to be trans?
    Yep Karen White

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/oct/11/transgender-prisoner-who-sexually-assaulted-inmates-jailed-for-life

    @1488grs This. THIS is precisely where sex determination by a doctor needs to trump any sort of self ID.
    My user name does not include "1488" and is only 148grss because that was the random number letter assignment given to me for a username / password whilst at uni and I continued to use it - I did not learn about "1488" and the connotations of it until afterwards.

    As for the nature of this case - why does their sex or gender matter here? What matters is that they committed sexual assault. Are you saying no ciswomen commit sexual assault in prison? No cismen? Would you not remove a cis inmate from other prisoners for committing sexual assault against them if they were cis? (Also the current guidance for placement in prisons does include a risk assessment of safeguarding risk for the transperson and other prisoners already. The fact that transpeople are more likely to sexually assaulted in a male prison than a women's prison is an important consideration. If it is known that that transperson is also a risk for committing sexual assault against other women, that would also be an important consideration. It is possible that for some prisoners this would mean special confinement would be necessary)
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 8,832
    viewcode said:

    Leon said:

    I understand that all British people ever talk about is trans issues but it is quite off putting to a “citizen of the world” like me. You sound deranged and obsessed

    Perhaps if you posted a picture of a plate with food on it, or a glass containing a drink, then that would distract people. The world eagerly awaits.
    Perhaps a serf and TERF pizza? :wink:
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,319

    HYUFD said:
    Interesting name. Sounds like a character from Great Expectations
    Whereas “Mark Francois” sounds like something Martin Amis would call a Francophobic Tory MP.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,417

    Leon said:

    A tweet for Leon.

    I am never going back to fucking Cincinnati in my life. Their ballpark tried to tell me this sandwich was a “local delicacy”. They can go to hell.

    https://twitter.com/cooperlund/status/1666806641558425600?s=46&t=L9g_woCIqbo1MTuBFCK0xg

    Lol

    The comments are hilarious. But harsh. Cincinnati has many problems but I’ve been in worse places in the USA
    Most places have good and bad sides to them, and how you encounter them can make a massive difference. Yesterday I ran from Stamford to Peterborough, with a little excursion to the outskirts of Whittlesea.

    Stamford is well-known as being a beautiful place, and it was, even in the early-morning clouds. Yet Peterborough is often regarded as a dump. Yet the sun was shining when I got there, and it looked magnificent; whether by the river, or near the cathedral. I had a laugh with a lady in a headscarf, and saw a motorcyclist knocked off his bike in a ultra-low speed collision and laugh with the driver afterwards.

    (whispers quietly): is it okay to say I *like* Peterborough?
    Peterborough *should* be booming.
    Nice cathedral, cheapish property, convenient links to both London and Cambridge.

    It probably needs some redevelopment to get rid of ugly 60s/70s excrescence, and the government should try to support the consolidation of an agritech research cluster there (it is equidistant between East Anglia and Lincolnshire).

    It needs to break off from the silly Combined Authority with Cambridgeshire, though. Else it will always play second fiddle to Cambridge.

    Independence for the Soke.
    Is it the Cincinatti of our islands ?
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,352
    Leon said:

    viewcode said:

    Leon said:

    I understand that all British people ever talk about is trans issues but it is quite off putting to a “citizen of the world” like me. You sound deranged and obsessed

    Perhaps if you posted a picture of a plate with food on it, or a glass containing a drink, then that would distract people. The world eagerly awaits.
    As requested. Cincinnati “chili”

    It is genuinely disgusting. Cheese noodles cumin cinnamon vinegar chocolate and chili. The cheese is industrial cheddar and cold





    The cumin sounds a particularly unpleasant addition
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,972

    148grss said:

    148grss said:

    Chris said:



    Being trans doesn't affect anyone else either, when it comes to pronouns etc, but does when it comes to safeguarding. When it comes to safeguarding, there needs to be a sensible balance of risk, that's what safeguarding is all about.

    I'm just curious. Can anyone point to a case where a criminal offence has been facilitated (in any practical way) by the perpetrator claiming to be trans?
    Yep Karen White

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/oct/11/transgender-prisoner-who-sexually-assaulted-inmates-jailed-for-life

    I assumed the original post meant "facilitated (in any practical way) by the perpetrator FALSELY claiming to be trans". I would say Karen White is not "claiming" to be trans, she just is trans.
    It's rather the claim to be female that is false.
    So you don't believe people can be trans?
    I don't believe that Karen White is female. Do you?
    Who is Karen White and why should I care one way or the other? With all the things broken in this country, with your lot doing nothing but spouting slogans and drawing crayon pictures of policies, all there is left is culture war.

    Wasn't "I don't believe that Karen White is female. Do you?" a phone-in topic on CBeebies with an audience of 3 people?
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,319
    Pulpstar said:

    Leon said:

    A tweet for Leon.

    I am never going back to fucking Cincinnati in my life. Their ballpark tried to tell me this sandwich was a “local delicacy”. They can go to hell.

    https://twitter.com/cooperlund/status/1666806641558425600?s=46&t=L9g_woCIqbo1MTuBFCK0xg

    Lol

    The comments are hilarious. But harsh. Cincinnati has many problems but I’ve been in worse places in the USA
    Most places have good and bad sides to them, and how you encounter them can make a massive difference. Yesterday I ran from Stamford to Peterborough, with a little excursion to the outskirts of Whittlesea.

    Stamford is well-known as being a beautiful place, and it was, even in the early-morning clouds. Yet Peterborough is often regarded as a dump. Yet the sun was shining when I got there, and it looked magnificent; whether by the river, or near the cathedral. I had a laugh with a lady in a headscarf, and saw a motorcyclist knocked off his bike in a ultra-low speed collision and laugh with the driver afterwards.

    (whispers quietly): is it okay to say I *like* Peterborough?
    Peterborough *should* be booming.
    Nice cathedral, cheapish property, convenient links to both London and Cambridge.

    It probably needs some redevelopment to get rid of ugly 60s/70s excrescence, and the government should try to support the consolidation of an agritech research cluster there (it is equidistant between East Anglia and Lincolnshire).

    It needs to break off from the silly Combined Authority with Cambridgeshire, though. Else it will always play second fiddle to Cambridge.

    Independence for the Soke.
    Is it the Cincinatti of our islands ?
    Birmingham is the Cincinnati of the UK. Also the Detroit, Buffalo, Cleveland and Akron.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,606

    Leon said:

    A tweet for Leon.

    I am never going back to fucking Cincinnati in my life. Their ballpark tried to tell me this sandwich was a “local delicacy”. They can go to hell.

    https://twitter.com/cooperlund/status/1666806641558425600?s=46&t=L9g_woCIqbo1MTuBFCK0xg

    Lol

    The comments are hilarious. But harsh. Cincinnati has many problems but I’ve been in worse places in the USA
    I regularly use “Cincinnati” as the butt of jokes to my all-American team. None seem to mind, although perhaps complaints are stacking up with HR and they just haven’t told me.

    The best thing about Cincinnati is of course the name, it’s up there with Kalamazoo, Chattanooga, and Tuscaloosa.
    Cincinnati has big issues (as discussed on here, often by me) but it also has the mighty river, some fine little neighborhoods, a relatively benign climate (for Ohio - winters are not especially harsh), a legacy of handsome old buildings which might still be saved. The homeless problem is obvious but nowhere near as bad as elsewhere; likewise crime

    There are definitely worse cities elsewhere in the Midwest or New Jersey etc

    I rather like Marietta, Ohio, where I am now. Again: obvious issues but some lovely old streets and if they just got rid of all the strip malls and car parks…

    Cars are the curse of America, so much space is made for them. As someone once said, if an alien landed today in America the alien would reflexively believe the dominant species is the automobile, with these weird bipedal apes serving and feeding them…
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 8,832

    Trans debate is so 2022 guys.
    Move on.

    Has it transitioned?
    Needs PB blockers.
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,352

    ...

    ...

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    To defend BJO a little, the banning of Jamie Driscoll from seeking re-election to North of Tyne is the very worst kind of political McCarthyism.

    He represents the left of the party, is backed by the cranks, but hasn't shown any real sign of being one himself. And the cranks McDonnell et al - are still Labour MPs having not been banned themselves.

    And so here we are - antisemitism is the Labour kyptonite. Jezbollah so damaged the party that anyone who goes anywhere near the "what Antisemitism it was all a scam" crowd" is seen as a potential stick to beat the party with. It's silly, its unfair, but it is a direct result of "there was no AS / AS was a conspiracy / Jezza was framed" narrative that the cranks still peddle even today.

    C'est La Vie.

    'The rapid decline of the Labour Left since 2019 has been astonishing. Earlier this year, Labour announced that under no circumstances could Jeremy Corbyn stand as Labour’s candidate in his Islington North seat at the next election. At the same time, of the 123 new Labour candidates so far chosen to stand in vacated or target seats, only two are firmly on the Left: Faiza Shaheen, an economist who will again challenge Iain Duncan Smith in Chingford and Woodford Green, and Chris Webb in Blackpool South.
    Under Starmer, the party apparatus has gone to extraordinary lengths to stop Left-wingers from getting on to the longlist. And in many cases, the victims are trades unionists and socialists whose politics — like Driscoll’s — are not exactly Corbynite. This week, l learnt of two would-be MPs in north Lancashire who have just been told by party officials that there is no point in applying as they will be excluded at the “due diligence stage.'
    https://unherd.com/2023/06/starmer-will-regret-purging-the-left/?tl_inbound=1&tl_groups[0]=18743&tl_period_type=3&mc_cid=6f43f88c9c&mc_eid=4bd8087faf
    Funnily enough the rapid decline of the Conservative Party is far more astonishing and something you and others still are in total denial of.

    Non-policies written in crayon to pander to Golliwog fans. Massive corruption with His brother and now dad heading for gongs and billions of our money grifted into certain people's back pockets for no return. Immorality so bad that the head of the Conservative Party at Prayer himself has to stridently condemn it in the Other Place.

    None of that bothers you. Yet you point at the spec in the eye of others and shout.
    Yet as BJO confirms the Conservatives never isolated the right of the party as Starmer has so isolated the Labour left.

    Even Cameron's A List of CCHQ approved Parliamentary candidates of liberals and 'modernisers' pre 2010 didn't ostracise experienced and hardworking rightwing Conservative activists and councillors as much as the NEC has ostracised experienced and hardworking Labour activists and councillors from standing for Parliament for the party.

    Same for Blair who kept Benn, Skinner and Prescott in his tent despite big ideological differences with them
    Wowsers.

    Boris purged the left of the party. Former Deputy PM Michael Heseltine. Former Chancellors Kenneth Clarke and Phillip Hammond. Winston Churchill's Grandson. Stewart. Soubry. Gauke. Gymah.

    That you have the hypocrisy to claim that only Labour have purged their party and that the Tories remain a broad church is comedy gold, even for you.
    There are plenty of Remainers still Conservative MPs Jeremy Hunt, Greg Clarke, Matt Hancock, Jeremy Wright, Theresa May, Liz Truss, David Mundell, Alex Chalk etc were all allowed to stand again by CCHQ even under Boris. Only MPs who refused to vote for the Withdrawal Agreement or Brexit Deal or No Deal were deselected.

    Even Cameron kept IDS as a parliamentary candidate, Starmer has even deselected Corbyn, his predecessor as party leader in whose Shadow Cabinet he served.

    If activists and councillors on the left who keep Labour going in opposition (as activists and councillors on the right keep the Conservatives going in opposition) are all prevented from standing in parliamentary seats that is not a healthy future for the party longer term if they are all replaced by centrist careerists who will all scarper as soon as things get tough. To be fair Cameron had a few of those too, no names mentioned Louise Mensch
    The problem is HY, if you had attended Labour Party branch meetings, as I used to, in the 1980s and 1990s you find that these normally middle class ideological morons have nothing to say of any practical application. They used to bang on about nuclear disarmament and doves of peace, they lost themselves in their Marxist purity, but would run a mile from the Soviet system they would be happy to impose on the rest of us. It's all very Animal Farm, and they would expect to be the pigs. Can you think of any practical use for the politics of Dickie Burgon or Laura Pidcock?

    I am at the point where I don't care who wins the next general election, but if Jeremy Corbyn is going to be anywhere near the levers of power, one might as well stick with Braverman or Johnson.
    Yes - comedy. Also me referring to the Laura as "Laura Pillock" got me suspended briefly from the Labour Party which set in motion my departure. So she did the world at least one favour.

    That's another thing. They are happy to blow the whistle and brandish the red card, but when the boot is on the other foot they whine like Ned Beatty in Deliverance.
    Do SKS fans exclaim "squeal like a pig" ?
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,223
    It's a bit off to give the Aussies a pitch that's liable to break a few fingers just before the Ashes.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,606

    Leon said:

    viewcode said:

    Leon said:

    I understand that all British people ever talk about is trans issues but it is quite off putting to a “citizen of the world” like me. You sound deranged and obsessed

    Perhaps if you posted a picture of a plate with food on it, or a glass containing a drink, then that would distract people. The world eagerly awaits.
    As requested. Cincinnati “chili”

    It is genuinely disgusting. Cheese noodles cumin cinnamon vinegar chocolate and chili. The cheese is industrial cheddar and cold





    The cumin sounds a particularly unpleasant addition
    It is. Yet many of the locals GENUiNELY love it. They enthuse. They make it at home. It is charming in its own way. The deep fried Mars Bar of the Midwest
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,303
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    viewcode said:

    Leon said:

    I understand that all British people ever talk about is trans issues but it is quite off putting to a “citizen of the world” like me. You sound deranged and obsessed

    Perhaps if you posted a picture of a plate with food on it, or a glass containing a drink, then that would distract people. The world eagerly awaits.
    As requested. Cincinnati “chili”

    It is genuinely disgusting. Cheese noodles cumin cinnamon vinegar chocolate and chili. The cheese is industrial cheddar and cold



    The cumin sounds a particularly unpleasant addition
    It is. Yet many of the locals GENUiNELY love it. They enthuse. They make it at home. It is charming in its own way. The deep fried Mars Bar of the Midwest
    Have any other disgusting local foods achieved international fame besides the deep-fried Mars bar and poutine? Somebody should write a book about them.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,319

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    viewcode said:

    Leon said:

    I understand that all British people ever talk about is trans issues but it is quite off putting to a “citizen of the world” like me. You sound deranged and obsessed

    Perhaps if you posted a picture of a plate with food on it, or a glass containing a drink, then that would distract people. The world eagerly awaits.
    As requested. Cincinnati “chili”

    It is genuinely disgusting. Cheese noodles cumin cinnamon vinegar chocolate and chili. The cheese is industrial cheddar and cold



    The cumin sounds a particularly unpleasant addition
    It is. Yet many of the locals GENUiNELY love it. They enthuse. They make it at home. It is charming in its own way. The deep fried Mars Bar of the Midwest
    Have any other disgusting local foods achieved international fame besides the deep-fried Mars bar and poutine? Somebody should write a book about them.
    Chicken parmo seems to have spread beyond…Middlesbrough?
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    edited June 2023

    Leon said:

    viewcode said:

    Leon said:

    I understand that all British people ever talk about is trans issues but it is quite off putting to a “citizen of the world” like me. You sound deranged and obsessed

    Perhaps if you posted a picture of a plate with food on it, or a glass containing a drink, then that would distract people. The world eagerly awaits.
    As requested. Cincinnati “chili”

    It is genuinely disgusting. Cheese noodles cumin cinnamon vinegar chocolate and chili. The cheese is industrial cheddar and cold





    The cumin sounds a particularly unpleasant addition
    Also sound like the "Cincinnati" chile Leon sampled, was a boutique "version" best left to bored foodies.

    No freaking cumin in REAL Cincy chile!

    EDIT - Reckon best place to get the Real McCoy, is at a hole-in-the-wall eatery or dive bar. Washed down with ice-cold Hudepohl.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,319
    edited June 2023
    There are quite a few Tory activists on here, even if some are temporarily quiescent. Also a few LD activists.

    Do we actually have any Labour activists, apart from professional malcontent BJO, and famous troilist, NPMP?

    PB is quite unrepresentative.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,546

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    viewcode said:

    Leon said:

    I understand that all British people ever talk about is trans issues but it is quite off putting to a “citizen of the world” like me. You sound deranged and obsessed

    Perhaps if you posted a picture of a plate with food on it, or a glass containing a drink, then that would distract people. The world eagerly awaits.
    As requested. Cincinnati “chili”

    It is genuinely disgusting. Cheese noodles cumin cinnamon vinegar chocolate and chili. The cheese is industrial cheddar and cold



    The cumin sounds a particularly unpleasant addition
    It is. Yet many of the locals GENUiNELY love it. They enthuse. They make it at home. It is charming in its own way. The deep fried Mars Bar of the Midwest
    Have any other disgusting local foods achieved international fame besides the deep-fried Mars bar and poutine? Somebody should write a book about them.
    Coffee made from weasel vomit, or cat excrement.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,961
    edited June 2023
    Another MP is suspended, this time the Lab MP for Portillo's old seat in Enfield Southgate. Seems to be one every other week atm.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-65859023
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,319
    Treasury brain has been around for a long time.

    I recently got around to reading a biography of Sir Frank Whittle, who invented the jet engine. The entire thing was basically him begging for £1,000 from the Air Ministry for research and Whitehall saying it wasn't value for money. Eventually he just moved to America.

    https://twitter.com/yuanyi_z/status/1667155681491709952?s=46&t=L9g_woCIqbo1MTuBFCK0xg

  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,952
    Leon said:

    viewcode said:

    Leon said:

    I understand that all British people ever talk about is trans issues but it is quite off putting to a “citizen of the world” like me. You sound deranged and obsessed

    Perhaps if you posted a picture of a plate with food on it, or a glass containing a drink, then that would distract people. The world eagerly awaits.
    As requested. Cincinnati “chili”

    It is genuinely disgusting. Cheese noodles cumin cinnamon vinegar chocolate and chili. The cheese is industrial cheddar and cold



    Surely there is still room to add some popping candy and a pickled egg?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,952

    There are quite a few Tory activists on here, even if some are temporarily quiescent. Also a few LD activists.

    Do we actually have any Labour activists, apart from professional malcontent BJO, and famous troilist, NPMP?

    PB is quite unrepresentative.

    Nick Palmer probably only qualifies as an activist these days?
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    NEW: NHS England has confirmed puberty blockers for young people with gender incongruence will only be administered as part of clinical research. It comes as NHSE publishes the service specification that will guide the new gender services that will replace the Tavistock’s GIDS

    https://twitter.com/hannahsbee/status/1667160027151364098?s=20

    How long will the USA remain the outlier? Too long, I fear. Mind you, the law suits will be colossal!
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,234

    148grss said:

    148grss said:

    Chris said:



    Being trans doesn't affect anyone else either, when it comes to pronouns etc, but does when it comes to safeguarding. When it comes to safeguarding, there needs to be a sensible balance of risk, that's what safeguarding is all about.

    I'm just curious. Can anyone point to a case where a criminal offence has been facilitated (in any practical way) by the perpetrator claiming to be trans?
    Yep Karen White

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/oct/11/transgender-prisoner-who-sexually-assaulted-inmates-jailed-for-life

    I assumed the original post meant "facilitated (in any practical way) by the perpetrator FALSELY claiming to be trans". I would say Karen White is not "claiming" to be trans, she just is trans.
    It's rather the claim to be female that is false.
    So you don't believe people can be trans?
    I don't believe that Karen White is female. Do you?
    Obviously she isn't female. But, perhaps more to the point, do you believe she is a woman? Woman and man seem to have become gender terms - perhaps a lost cause now to argue otherwise - a matter of identity and therefore a separate thing to male/female?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,914
    ...
    Andy_JS said:

    Another MP is suspended, this time the Lab MP for Portillo's old seat in Enfield Southgate. Seems to be one every other week atm.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-65859023

    They're dropping like flies. That's three Enfield Southgate Labour MPs suspended already today on PB.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,606

    Leon said:

    viewcode said:

    Leon said:

    I understand that all British people ever talk about is trans issues but it is quite off putting to a “citizen of the world” like me. You sound deranged and obsessed

    Perhaps if you posted a picture of a plate with food on it, or a glass containing a drink, then that would distract people. The world eagerly awaits.
    As requested. Cincinnati “chili”

    It is genuinely disgusting. Cheese noodles cumin cinnamon vinegar chocolate and chili. The cheese is industrial cheddar and cold





    The cumin sounds a particularly unpleasant addition
    Also sound like the "Cincinnati" chile Leon sampled, was a boutique "version" best left to bored foodies.

    No freaking cumin in REAL Cincy chile!

    EDIT - Reckon best place to get the Real McCoy, is at a hole-in-the-wall eatery or dive bar. Washed down with ice-cold Hudepohl.
    Wrong.

    THE Cincy chili is “Skyline” chili. Here’s the recipe. Note the reference to cumin. I was also told by a Cincy chef - that dude in the photo - that this chili must include cumin and cinnamon and chocolate. You can likewise buy special Cincy chili powder. It has cumin and cinnamon in it (and other stuff)

    In this instance you haven’t a clue what you’re talking about

    https://www.allrecipes.com/recipe/206953/authentic-cincinnati-chili/
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,546

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    viewcode said:

    Leon said:

    I understand that all British people ever talk about is trans issues but it is quite off putting to a “citizen of the world” like me. You sound deranged and obsessed

    Perhaps if you posted a picture of a plate with food on it, or a glass containing a drink, then that would distract people. The world eagerly awaits.
    As requested. Cincinnati “chili”

    It is genuinely disgusting. Cheese noodles cumin cinnamon vinegar chocolate and chili. The cheese is industrial cheddar and cold



    The cumin sounds a particularly unpleasant addition
    It is. Yet many of the locals GENUiNELY love it. They enthuse. They make it at home. It is charming in its own way. The deep fried Mars Bar of the Midwest
    Have any other disgusting local foods achieved international fame besides the deep-fried Mars bar and poutine? Somebody should write a book about them.
    Budweiser is another disgusting local food.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,478

    There are quite a few Tory activists on here, even if some are temporarily quiescent. Also a few LD activists.

    Do we actually have any Labour activists, apart from professional malcontent BJO, and famous troilist, NPMP?

    PB is quite unrepresentative.

    I'm a Labour passivist rather than activist, but I guess that just paying my subs doesn't count.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,546

    ...

    Andy_JS said:

    Another MP is suspended, this time the Lab MP for Portillo's old seat in Enfield Southgate. Seems to be one every other week atm.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-65859023

    They're dropping like flies. That's three Enfield Southgate Labour MPs suspended already today on PB.
    Against the run of play, the Conservatives gained seats in Enfield in 2022. The Enfield Labour Party is very troubled.
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    NEW THREAD

  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,401
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    viewcode said:

    Leon said:

    I understand that all British people ever talk about is trans issues but it is quite off putting to a “citizen of the world” like me. You sound deranged and obsessed

    Perhaps if you posted a picture of a plate with food on it, or a glass containing a drink, then that would distract people. The world eagerly awaits.
    As requested. Cincinnati “chili”

    It is genuinely disgusting. Cheese noodles cumin cinnamon vinegar chocolate and chili. The cheese is industrial cheddar and cold





    The cumin sounds a particularly unpleasant addition
    It is. Yet many of the locals GENUiNELY love it. They enthuse. They make it at home. It is charming in its own way. The deep fried Mars Bar of the Midwest
    The locals here don't go for DFMBs. It's a tourist thing only.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,779

    Chris said:



    Being trans doesn't affect anyone else either, when it comes to pronouns etc, but does when it comes to safeguarding. When it comes to safeguarding, there needs to be a sensible balance of risk, that's what safeguarding is all about.

    I'm just curious. Can anyone point to a case where a criminal offence has been facilitated (in any practical way) by the perpetrator claiming to be trans?
    Yep Karen White

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/oct/11/transgender-prisoner-who-sexually-assaulted-inmates-jailed-for-life

    Thanks. So that was a case of someone claiming to be trans being transferred to a women's prison and then sexually assaulting female prisoners.

    I wonder - are there any cases outside the prison system? As women's toilets loom so large in the online discussion, are there any cases involving women's toilets?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,606
    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    viewcode said:

    Leon said:

    I understand that all British people ever talk about is trans issues but it is quite off putting to a “citizen of the world” like me. You sound deranged and obsessed

    Perhaps if you posted a picture of a plate with food on it, or a glass containing a drink, then that would distract people. The world eagerly awaits.
    As requested. Cincinnati “chili”

    It is genuinely disgusting. Cheese noodles cumin cinnamon vinegar chocolate and chili. The cheese is industrial cheddar and cold





    The cumin sounds a particularly unpleasant addition
    It is. Yet many of the locals GENUiNELY love it. They enthuse. They make it at home. It is charming in its own way. The deep fried Mars Bar of the Midwest
    The locals here don't go for DFMBs. It's a tourist thing only.
    AIUI it began as a prank - or even a hoax? - but then locals actually decided they liked them. Ditto deep fried pizza
  • GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,860

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    viewcode said:

    Leon said:

    I understand that all British people ever talk about is trans issues but it is quite off putting to a “citizen of the world” like me. You sound deranged and obsessed

    Perhaps if you posted a picture of a plate with food on it, or a glass containing a drink, then that would distract people. The world eagerly awaits.
    As requested. Cincinnati “chili”

    It is genuinely disgusting. Cheese noodles cumin cinnamon vinegar chocolate and chili. The cheese is industrial cheddar and cold



    The cumin sounds a particularly unpleasant addition
    It is. Yet many of the locals GENUiNELY love it. They enthuse. They make it at home. It is charming in its own way. The deep fried Mars Bar of the Midwest
    Have any other disgusting local foods achieved international fame besides the deep-fried Mars bar and poutine? Somebody should write a book about them.
    Chicago-style pizza is an utter monstrosity, not only a travesty of the idea of a pizza, but an absolute calorific Armageddon to boot.

    Interesting that pretty much the defining characteristic of minging American food is the addition of loads and loads of industrial cheese.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,606
    Ghedebrav said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    viewcode said:

    Leon said:

    I understand that all British people ever talk about is trans issues but it is quite off putting to a “citizen of the world” like me. You sound deranged and obsessed

    Perhaps if you posted a picture of a plate with food on it, or a glass containing a drink, then that would distract people. The world eagerly awaits.
    As requested. Cincinnati “chili”

    It is genuinely disgusting. Cheese noodles cumin cinnamon vinegar chocolate and chili. The cheese is industrial cheddar and cold



    The cumin sounds a particularly unpleasant addition
    It is. Yet many of the locals GENUiNELY love it. They enthuse. They make it at home. It is charming in its own way. The deep fried Mars Bar of the Midwest
    Have any other disgusting local foods achieved international fame besides the deep-fried Mars bar and poutine? Somebody should write a book about them.
    Chicago-style pizza is an utter monstrosity, not only a travesty of the idea of a pizza, but an absolute calorific Armageddon to boot.

    Interesting that pretty much the defining characteristic of minging American food is the addition of loads and loads of industrial cheese.
    True. And yet American is cheese is - still - generally horrible or bland - unlike the beer which has gone from banal to excellent
  • 148grss148grss Posts: 4,155

    148grss said:

    148grss said:

    Chris said:



    Being trans doesn't affect anyone else either, when it comes to pronouns etc, but does when it comes to safeguarding. When it comes to safeguarding, there needs to be a sensible balance of risk, that's what safeguarding is all about.

    I'm just curious. Can anyone point to a case where a criminal offence has been facilitated (in any practical way) by the perpetrator claiming to be trans?
    Yep Karen White

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/oct/11/transgender-prisoner-who-sexually-assaulted-inmates-jailed-for-life

    I assumed the original post meant "facilitated (in any practical way) by the perpetrator FALSELY claiming to be trans". I would say Karen White is not "claiming" to be trans, she just is trans.
    It's rather the claim to be female that is false.
    So you don't believe people can be trans?
    I don't believe that Karen White is female. Do you?
    Yes.
  • GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,860
    Leon said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    viewcode said:

    Leon said:

    I understand that all British people ever talk about is trans issues but it is quite off putting to a “citizen of the world” like me. You sound deranged and obsessed

    Perhaps if you posted a picture of a plate with food on it, or a glass containing a drink, then that would distract people. The world eagerly awaits.
    As requested. Cincinnati “chili”

    It is genuinely disgusting. Cheese noodles cumin cinnamon vinegar chocolate and chili. The cheese is industrial cheddar and cold



    The cumin sounds a particularly unpleasant addition
    It is. Yet many of the locals GENUiNELY love it. They enthuse. They make it at home. It is charming in its own way. The deep fried Mars Bar of the Midwest
    Have any other disgusting local foods achieved international fame besides the deep-fried Mars bar and poutine? Somebody should write a book about them.
    Chicago-style pizza is an utter monstrosity, not only a travesty of the idea of a pizza, but an absolute calorific Armageddon to boot.

    Interesting that pretty much the defining characteristic of minging American food is the addition of loads and loads of industrial cheese.
    True. And yet American is cheese is - still - generally horrible or bland - unlike the beer which has gone from banal to excellent
    People are still staggered when I tell them that best beer in the world is made in America. But it is - and by a fair distance too.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    viewcode said:

    Leon said:

    I understand that all British people ever talk about is trans issues but it is quite off putting to a “citizen of the world” like me. You sound deranged and obsessed

    Perhaps if you posted a picture of a plate with food on it, or a glass containing a drink, then that would distract people. The world eagerly awaits.
    As requested. Cincinnati “chili”

    It is genuinely disgusting. Cheese noodles cumin cinnamon vinegar chocolate and chili. The cheese is industrial cheddar and cold





    The cumin sounds a particularly unpleasant addition
    Also sound like the "Cincinnati" chile Leon sampled, was a boutique "version" best left to bored foodies.

    No freaking cumin in REAL Cincy chile!

    EDIT - Reckon best place to get the Real McCoy, is at a hole-in-the-wall eatery or dive bar. Washed down with ice-cold Hudepohl.
    Wrong.

    THE Cincy chili is “Skyline” chili. Here’s the recipe. Note the reference to cumin. I was also told by a Cincy chef - that dude in the photo - that this chili must include cumin and cinnamon and chocolate. You can likewise buy special Cincy chili powder. It has cumin and cinnamon in it (and other stuff)

    In this instance you haven’t a clue what you’re talking about

    https://www.allrecipes.com/recipe/206953/authentic-cincinnati-chili/
    Blind man and the elephant springs to mind. But whatever floats your boat.

    For REAL culinary adventure, cross over the river and sample a West Virginia chili (hot) dog. Pretty typical, though every town, hamlet and wide spot in the road has its own local hot dog specialty, best to seek local knowledge. Preferably NOT from a "chef".
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,164
    Leon said:

    viewcode said:

    Leon said:

    I understand that all British people ever talk about is trans issues but it is quite off putting to a “citizen of the world” like me. You sound deranged and obsessed

    Perhaps if you posted a picture of a plate with food on it, or a glass containing a drink, then that would distract people. The world eagerly awaits.
    As requested. Cincinnati “chili”

    It is genuinely disgusting. Cheese noodles cumin cinnamon vinegar chocolate and chili. The cheese is industrial cheddar and cold





    Of course for, as with English, so with cheese. There is American cheese, and then there js proper cheese.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,147
    Ghedebrav said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    viewcode said:

    Leon said:

    I understand that all British people ever talk about is trans issues but it is quite off putting to a “citizen of the world” like me. You sound deranged and obsessed

    Perhaps if you posted a picture of a plate with food on it, or a glass containing a drink, then that would distract people. The world eagerly awaits.
    As requested. Cincinnati “chili”

    It is genuinely disgusting. Cheese noodles cumin cinnamon vinegar chocolate and chili. The cheese is industrial cheddar and cold



    The cumin sounds a particularly unpleasant addition
    It is. Yet many of the locals GENUiNELY love it. They enthuse. They make it at home. It is charming in its own way. The deep fried Mars Bar of the Midwest
    Have any other disgusting local foods achieved international fame besides the deep-fried Mars bar and poutine? Somebody should write a book about them.
    Chicago-style pizza is an utter monstrosity, not only a travesty of the idea of a pizza, but an absolute calorific Armageddon to boot.

    Interesting that pretty much the defining characteristic of minging American food is the addition of loads and loads of industrial cheese.
    The defining characteristics of American food is that it is soft and friable enough to eat without significant chewing. It spends only a second or two on the tongue. It is why portions need to be big, as eating like that is not very good at satiating hunger.
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