Is there much evidence for the view that teenagers who give birth when they're aged over 16y9m wouldn't have got pregnant if they'd had more sex education?
"Teenage pregnancy" is an annoying term. There's a big difference between 13 and 19. It's not the state's business to discourage 19yos from getting pregnant.
Is Roaster Ross going to get outraged by pantomimes?
His argument seems to be pantomime dames don't push gender ideology
I don't think Drag Queen Story Hour does either. This is just Moray copying US nonsense.
'Encouraging children to develop a love of reading through imaginative story time, while promoting inclusion, diversity and acceptance...' Now nobody wants intolerance but 6 and under is rather young to be discussing Trans
We teach kinds younger than that that there are different sexes. Is that wrong too?
Well there are, that is a biological fact
And there are transgender people. That is a sociological fact.
Only through surgery and even with that and hormones treatment trans cyclists are no longer allowed to compete in female races as even with hormone suppression they still have an advantage over female cyclists https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/65718748
No, transgender people are transgender even without undergoing surgery.
Maybe if you'd been taught this stuff at a younger age you'd be a little more clued in to the facts.
So you want to teach 6 year olds they are transgender? No wonder you on the left are out of touch!
You're confusing being taught that you are something, with being taught about other people. No wonder the Tories are out of touch with humanity.
It is not appropriate for 6 year olds or even older primary school children. It should be a secondary school issue only
Bollocks.
I literally head the same arguments made about not exposing kids to gay ideology when Section 28 was a thing.
My then 4 year old only had one question about attending a same sex wedding.
'Which one of you throws the bouquet, and can you make sure my dad catches it?'
I have a 5 year old and it's not appropriate to discuss sexual intercourse at that age.
Your five year old presumably knows that there are men and women. They don't need to hear about intercourse to have an understanding of that fact. They don't need to know about penetration to understand that some couples are different genders and some couples are the same gender. They don't need to know what adults do with their genitals to know that sometimes people are born as one gender but prefer to live as another.
You don't need to deliver all the yucky truth about everything all at once.
Personally I wouldn't allow any sex education or discussion of gender identity in schools until pupils are 11 or over and have reached puberty
Wait until kids have hit puberty before discussing puberty?
Talk about waiting until the horse has bolted before closing the door.
Unless you are a paedophile kids shoudn't be engaging in or discussing sex until they have reached puberty absolutely
Kids absolutely shouldn't be engaging in sex until they are young adults.
They should however be learning about it, at appropriate levels, before their hormones go wild rather than afterwards.
NO they should not. Absolutely not. They should only start to learn about sex, only at an appropriate level, from age 11 and only in more detail from 16, the age of consent
Okay.
So, when my eldest daughter was ten, one of her schoolfriends came to visit. She was the same age.
She (the schoolfriend) was extremely inappropriate towards me, to the point where I immediately went to get my wife and asked her to stay near me for the duration of this girl's visit, so she (the schoolfriend) never got to see me alone. This successfully dissuaded her from doing it any more (other than a few comments that got our eyebrows raising).
Should her parents have spoken to her about sex and what was and was not appropriate? I thought they should; she'd obviously picked up what she had from conversations with other children and what appeared to be early hormones. Personally, I thought she was going to be very vulnerable to any adult with paedophilic tendencies.
I take it you disagree?
Clearly an illustration of too much sexualisation of young people in our culture generally, when we didn't have as much sex in the media and more traditional Christian family values it was less of an issue
This particular event happened twenty years ago.
Kids have always talked between each other about sex. Discussions on that happened when I was a child in the Seventies, and this particular event happened twenty years ago.
Sexual abuse of children was more prevalent in the Seventies, Sixties, and Fifties - it was just brushed under the carpet and not discussed. Less sex in the media, more Christian family values, and more children getting abused and raped.
People just preferred to go into denial. That same tendency is visible in some today.
Is there any evidence there was more paedophilia in the fifties? I highly doubt it, we also had lower divorce rates, higher marriage rates and a birthrate above replacement level
Is Roaster Ross going to get outraged by pantomimes?
His argument seems to be pantomime dames don't push gender ideology
I don't think Drag Queen Story Hour does either. This is just Moray copying US nonsense.
'Encouraging children to develop a love of reading through imaginative story time, while promoting inclusion, diversity and acceptance...' Now nobody wants intolerance but 6 and under is rather young to be discussing Trans
We teach kinds younger than that that there are different sexes. Is that wrong too?
Well there are, that is a biological fact
And there are transgender people. That is a sociological fact.
Only through surgery and even with that and hormones treatment trans cyclists are no longer allowed to compete in female races as even with hormone suppression they still have an advantage over female cyclists https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/65718748
No, transgender people are transgender even without undergoing surgery.
Maybe if you'd been taught this stuff at a younger age you'd be a little more clued in to the facts.
So you want to teach 6 year olds they are transgender? No wonder you on the left are out of touch!
You're confusing being taught that you are something, with being taught about other people. No wonder the Tories are out of touch with humanity.
It is not appropriate for 6 year olds or even older primary school children. It should be a secondary school issue only
Bollocks.
I literally head the same arguments made about not exposing kids to gay ideology when Section 28 was a thing.
My then 4 year old only had one question about attending a same sex wedding.
'Which one of you throws the bouquet, and can you make sure my dad catches it?'
I have a 5 year old and it's not appropriate to discuss sexual intercourse at that age.
Your five year old presumably knows that there are men and women. They don't need to hear about intercourse to have an understanding of that fact. They don't need to know about penetration to understand that some couples are different genders and some couples are the same gender. They don't need to know what adults do with their genitals to know that sometimes people are born as one gender but prefer to live as another.
You don't need to deliver all the yucky truth about everything all at once.
Personally I wouldn't allow any sex education or discussion of gender identity in schools until pupils are 11 or over and have reached puberty
Wait until kids have hit puberty before discussing puberty?
Talk about waiting until the horse has bolted before closing the door.
Unless you are a paedophile kids shoudn't be engaging in or discussing sex until they have reached puberty absolutely
Kids absolutely shouldn't be engaging in sex until they are young adults.
They should however be learning about it, at appropriate levels, before their hormones go wild rather than afterwards.
NO they should not. Absolutely not. They should only start to learn about sex, only at an appropriate level, from age 11 and only in more detail from 16, the age of consent
Okay.
So, when my eldest daughter was ten, one of her schoolfriends came to visit. She was the same age.
She (the schoolfriend) was extremely inappropriate towards me, to the point where I immediately went to get my wife and asked her to stay near me for the duration of this girl's visit, so she (the schoolfriend) never got to see me alone. This successfully dissuaded her from doing it any more (other than a few comments that got our eyebrows raising).
Should her parents have spoken to her about sex and what was and was not appropriate? I thought they should; she'd obviously picked up what she had from conversations with other children and what appeared to be early hormones. Personally, I thought she was going to be very vulnerable to any adult with paedophilic tendencies.
I take it you disagree?
Clearly an illustration of too much sexualisation of young people in our culture generally, when we didn't have as much sex in the media and more traditional Christian family values it was less of an issue
Right. So turns out hardly anybody believes in Christianity any more, in the sense of a God who sends you to Eternal Hellfire for sleeping with someone before marriage. Now what do you have to recommend?
Remember: it's not premarital sex if you never get married.
"Though hardly uncontroversial in either domain, play remains a critical component of both drag and early childhood education. Like other forms of make-believe, drag functions as a uniquely queer form of embodied and unscripted play that invites creative world-building. In this way, drag aligns with many early theories of play. Johan Huizinga (Citation1949) described play as “a free activity standing quite consciously outside ‘ordinary’ life as being ‘not serious,’ but at the same time absorbing the player intensely and utterly” (p. 13). What is drag if not dressing up in special costumes and acting out a fantasy outside of everyday life? Play is also framed as inherently un-productive, or as Roger Caillois (1958/2001) stated, “an occasion of pure waste” (p. 5). We suggest that drag’s larger value lies largely outside of formal economies. Instead, our understanding of play is rooted in a spirit of amusement without a productive outcome. While drag has some conventions, it ultimately has no rules – its defining quality is often to break as many rules as possible! Thus, drag can be thought of as a kind of queer praxis that may be especially well-suited to early childhood education, not because of any qualities essential to young children, and instead because early education is one of the few remaining school settings that encourages play."
Terrifying! They want children to play!
"We are guided by the following question: what might Drag Queen Story Hour offer educators as a way of bringing queer ways of knowing and being into the education of young children?"
"While there is a loose and practically oriented common architecture to a story hour (read a story, sing a song, rinse, and repeat), the queens do very little to teach anything explicitly. There is no lesson on the meaning of gender, no worksheets on how to be kind – all that is blasé. Such activities would betray integrity to form. Instead, the queens employ a more dialogic approach to pedagogy that is largely built on a captivating aesthetic that seeks to broaden the imagination."
They could try writing in clear, rather than trying to dress up the language to make it sound better.
NO they should not. Absolutely not. They should only start to learn about sex, only at an appropriate level, from age 11 and only in more detail from 16, the age of consent
Being informed about the minimum age of consent before you reach it is just sensible, don't you think? It gives you a pretty strong response to paedophilia - "What you're suggesting would actually be a criminal offence even if you persuaded me, so stop trying." It's a minimum, not a requirement, in the same way that a speed limit is a maximum, not a target.
Is Roaster Ross going to get outraged by pantomimes?
His argument seems to be pantomime dames don't push gender ideology
I don't think Drag Queen Story Hour does either. This is just Moray copying US nonsense.
'Encouraging children to develop a love of reading through imaginative story time, while promoting inclusion, diversity and acceptance...' Now nobody wants intolerance but 6 and under is rather young to be discussing Trans
We teach kinds younger than that that there are different sexes. Is that wrong too?
Well there are, that is a biological fact
And there are transgender people. That is a sociological fact.
Only through surgery and even with that and hormones treatment trans cyclists are no longer allowed to compete in female races as even with hormone suppression they still have an advantage over female cyclists https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/65718748
No, transgender people are transgender even without undergoing surgery.
Maybe if you'd been taught this stuff at a younger age you'd be a little more clued in to the facts.
So you want to teach 6 year olds they are transgender? No wonder you on the left are out of touch!
You're confusing being taught that you are something, with being taught about other people. No wonder the Tories are out of touch with humanity.
It is not appropriate for 6 year olds or even older primary school children. It should be a secondary school issue only
Bollocks.
I literally head the same arguments made about not exposing kids to gay ideology when Section 28 was a thing.
My then 4 year old only had one question about attending a same sex wedding.
'Which one of you throws the bouquet, and can you make sure my dad catches it?'
I have a 5 year old and it's not appropriate to discuss sexual intercourse at that age.
Your five year old presumably knows that there are men and women. They don't need to hear about intercourse to have an understanding of that fact. They don't need to know about penetration to understand that some couples are different genders and some couples are the same gender. They don't need to know what adults do with their genitals to know that sometimes people are born as one gender but prefer to live as another.
You don't need to deliver all the yucky truth about everything all at once.
Personally I wouldn't allow any sex education or discussion of gender identity in schools until pupils are 11 or over and have reached puberty
Wait until kids have hit puberty before discussing puberty?
Talk about waiting until the horse has bolted before closing the door.
Unless you are a paedophile kids shoudn't be engaging in or discussing sex until they have reached puberty absolutely
Kids absolutely shouldn't be engaging in sex until they are young adults.
They should however be learning about it, at appropriate levels, before their hormones go wild rather than afterwards.
NO they should not. Absolutely not. They should only start to learn about sex, only at an appropriate level, from age 11 and only in more detail from 16, the age of consent
Okay.
So, when my eldest daughter was ten, one of her schoolfriends came to visit. She was the same age.
She (the schoolfriend) was extremely inappropriate towards me, to the point where I immediately went to get my wife and asked her to stay near me for the duration of this girl's visit, so she (the schoolfriend) never got to see me alone. This successfully dissuaded her from doing it any more (other than a few comments that got our eyebrows raising).
Should her parents have spoken to her about sex and what was and was not appropriate? I thought they should; she'd obviously picked up what she had from conversations with other children and what appeared to be early hormones. Personally, I thought she was going to be very vulnerable to any adult with paedophilic tendencies.
I take it you disagree?
Clearly an illustration of too much sexualisation of young people in our culture generally, when we didn't have as much sex in the media and more traditional Christian family values it was less of an issue
This particular event happened twenty years ago.
Kids have always talked between each other about sex. Discussions on that happened when I was a child in the Seventies, and this particular event happened twenty years ago.
Sexual abuse of children was more prevalent in the Seventies, Sixties, and Fifties - it was just brushed under the carpet and not discussed. Less sex in the media, more Christian family values, and more children getting abused and raped.
People just preferred to go into denial. That same tendency is visible in some today.
I remember late 70s/early 80s a house 'catching on fire' near me. The fire brigade turned up but the police wouldn't let them do anything until they'd carted out a whole load of 'paperwork'. Turned out the guy who lived there was a known kiddy-fiddler and also a friend of various councillors.
Paperwork mysteriously disappeared shortly after and nothing more said.
At some point you will need to erect a special PB statue to me
“US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles Whistleblower former intelligence official says government posseses ‘intact and partially intact’ craft of non-human origin”
“Biden ‘knew of Ukrainian plan to attack Nord Stream’ three months before explosion Washington Post reports that European intelligence service told CIA Ukrainian military was planning attack”
Is Roaster Ross going to get outraged by pantomimes?
His argument seems to be pantomime dames don't push gender ideology
I don't think Drag Queen Story Hour does either. This is just Moray copying US nonsense.
'Encouraging children to develop a love of reading through imaginative story time, while promoting inclusion, diversity and acceptance...' Now nobody wants intolerance but 6 and under is rather young to be discussing Trans
We teach kinds younger than that that there are different sexes. Is that wrong too?
Well there are, that is a biological fact
And there are transgender people. That is a sociological fact.
Only through surgery and even with that and hormones treatment trans cyclists are no longer allowed to compete in female races as even with hormone suppression they still have an advantage over female cyclists https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/65718748
No, transgender people are transgender even without undergoing surgery.
Maybe if you'd been taught this stuff at a younger age you'd be a little more clued in to the facts.
So you want to teach 6 year olds they are transgender? No wonder you on the left are out of touch!
You're confusing being taught that you are something, with being taught about other people. No wonder the Tories are out of touch with humanity.
It is not appropriate for 6 year olds or even older primary school children. It should be a secondary school issue only
Bollocks.
I literally head the same arguments made about not exposing kids to gay ideology when Section 28 was a thing.
My then 4 year old only had one question about attending a same sex wedding.
'Which one of you throws the bouquet, and can you make sure my dad catches it?'
I have a 5 year old and it's not appropriate to discuss sexual intercourse at that age.
Your five year old presumably knows that there are men and women. They don't need to hear about intercourse to have an understanding of that fact. They don't need to know about penetration to understand that some couples are different genders and some couples are the same gender. They don't need to know what adults do with their genitals to know that sometimes people are born as one gender but prefer to live as another.
You don't need to deliver all the yucky truth about everything all at once.
Personally I wouldn't allow any sex education or discussion of gender identity in schools until pupils are 11 or over and have reached puberty
Wait until kids have hit puberty before discussing puberty?
Talk about waiting until the horse has bolted before closing the door.
Unless you are a paedophile kids shoudn't be engaging in or discussing sex until they have reached puberty absolutely
Kids absolutely shouldn't be engaging in sex until they are young adults.
They should however be learning about it, at appropriate levels, before their hormones go wild rather than afterwards.
NO they should not. Absolutely not. They should only start to learn about sex, only at an appropriate level, from age 11 and only in more detail from 16, the age of consent
Wow, just wow. Wait until they're past the age of consent before learning about it properly?
Colorado representative Lauren Boebert, 36, announced she’s going to be a grandmother next month.
The Republican firebrand made the declaration earlier this week at a Moms for America event, from which video started making the rounds Thursday.
“Not only am I mom of four boys, but come April, I will be a GG to a brand new grandson,” she beamed.
Newsweek reports that the child’s father is Boebert’s 17-year-old son, Tyler.
Boebert’s announcement comes just days after she called for the elimination of “comprehensive sex ed” in public schools, according to Raw Story.
The son was 17 when he became a father, 100 years ago that wouldn't have been uncommon when we had more traditional family values and over the age of consent in his state
Would you mind answering the question? Is this the world you want now, today, not 100 years ago? Yes or no?
Plenty of things were better in the 1920s
I'm pretty conservative in my tastes. Yet I can't think of a single thing that was better in the 1920s. Train services, perhaps.
Depends what you mean by better. They were more widespread, but slower, much dirtier, less comfortable and somewhat less safe.
I can't think of one thing in the 1920s I would describe as better than today. Possibly the quality and variety of popular music, but that would be about it.
This review found strong evidence for the effectiveness of child sex abuse prevention efforts in elementary school. Such programs typically use behavioral practice and role-play [80] and encourage parental involvement [81,82]. They teach about body ownership and children's right to control their bodies [82] and about communication and self-protection [81,82]. A strong meta-analysis of 27 preschool through Grade 5 programs [80] and a systematic review of 24 K-5 programs [83] demonstrate significant effects on a wide range of outcomes, including behaviors in simulated at-risk situations. Another large systematic review concluded that, in general, parental involvement, opportunities for practice, repeated exposure, and sensitivity to developmental level were key characteristics of effective child sex abuse programs [81].
Improved knowledge, attitudes, skills and social–emotional outcomes related to personal safety and touch A systematic review of 22 North American and UK curricula for K-6 children found significant increases in knowledge across programs, improved self-protective skills, particularly among older elementary students, and emotional gains in self-esteem, self-efficacy, and feelings of safety, in approximately one third of the programs. Gains in knowledge and some social–emotional outcomes remained at 3- to 5-month follow-up [84]. In a rigorous cluster randomized study of six New York City elementary schools, Safe Touches for second and third graders showed significant improvement in knowledge of safe touch [85]. Notably, intervention–control group differences were larger when “stranger danger” items were removed, suggesting that this curriculum was able to address inappropriate touch in a more nuanced way. Stay Safe primary prevention, for 7- and 10-year-olds in Ireland, demonstrated gains in knowledge, skills, and self-esteem, maintained at 3-month follow-up. Notably, gains were greatest for the younger students [82].
Child abuse prevention programs for second to fourth graders demonstrated significant increases in knowledge of appropriate and inappropriate touch, what to do in an inappropriate situation [86], and increased knowledge and skill to identify unsafe situations [87]. A strong randomized study in 21 urban U.S. schools found gains were maintained at 1 year, with no increase in anxiety, concluding that it is safe to discuss sensitive subjects with young children, and demonstrating the value of early education [87]. A kindergarten program showed significant improvement in knowledge of unsafe secrets and distinguishing between tattling and reporting [88], and another program conducted with 123 Latinx preschoolers demonstrated increased knowledge and skills at post-test and 3-month follow-up [89].
Don't talk to strangers worked fine, we don't need leftwing academic studies pushing sex education and gender identity lessons in primary schools. Full stop
DTS didn't work.
"Talk" and "strangers" don't match the facts, in various ways. Uncle X don't want to talk when he wants playtime.
Yes it does work and always has, just it doesn't suit the ideology of you and your fellow leftwingers who want to sexualise young childrens' education.
Trying to use a paedophile argument is pathetic, the number of paedophile encounters is less than 1% for per 100 children and that is for social services and the police to sort out instead of yet another attempt by the left to undermine the traditional family.
The whole idea of DTS was to avoid paedophiles ... and plainly it is not working, given the scholarly evidence presented on this thread.
Sadly the idea of the stranger as the main paedophile danger is wrong.
Is Roaster Ross going to get outraged by pantomimes?
His argument seems to be pantomime dames don't push gender ideology
I don't think Drag Queen Story Hour does either. This is just Moray copying US nonsense.
'Encouraging children to develop a love of reading through imaginative story time, while promoting inclusion, diversity and acceptance...' Now nobody wants intolerance but 6 and under is rather young to be discussing Trans
We teach kinds younger than that that there are different sexes. Is that wrong too?
Well there are, that is a biological fact
And there are transgender people. That is a sociological fact.
Only through surgery and even with that and hormones treatment trans cyclists are no longer allowed to compete in female races as even with hormone suppression they still have an advantage over female cyclists https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/65718748
No, transgender people are transgender even without undergoing surgery.
Maybe if you'd been taught this stuff at a younger age you'd be a little more clued in to the facts.
So you want to teach 6 year olds they are transgender? No wonder you on the left are out of touch!
You're confusing being taught that you are something, with being taught about other people. No wonder the Tories are out of touch with humanity.
It is not appropriate for 6 year olds or even older primary school children. It should be a secondary school issue only
Bollocks.
I literally head the same arguments made about not exposing kids to gay ideology when Section 28 was a thing.
My then 4 year old only had one question about attending a same sex wedding.
'Which one of you throws the bouquet, and can you make sure my dad catches it?'
I have a 5 year old and it's not appropriate to discuss sexual intercourse at that age.
Your five year old presumably knows that there are men and women. They don't need to hear about intercourse to have an understanding of that fact. They don't need to know about penetration to understand that some couples are different genders and some couples are the same gender. They don't need to know what adults do with their genitals to know that sometimes people are born as one gender but prefer to live as another.
You don't need to deliver all the yucky truth about everything all at once.
Personally I wouldn't allow any sex education or discussion of gender identity in schools until pupils are 11 or over and have reached puberty
Wait until kids have hit puberty before discussing puberty?
Talk about waiting until the horse has bolted before closing the door.
Unless you are a paedophile kids shoudn't be engaging in or discussing sex until they have reached puberty absolutely
Kids absolutely shouldn't be engaging in sex until they are young adults.
They should however be learning about it, at appropriate levels, before their hormones go wild rather than afterwards.
NO they should not. Absolutely not. They should only start to learn about sex, only at an appropriate level, from age 11 and only in more detail from 16, the age of consent
Okay.
So, when my eldest daughter was ten, one of her schoolfriends came to visit. She was the same age.
She (the schoolfriend) was extremely inappropriate towards me, to the point where I immediately went to get my wife and asked her to stay near me for the duration of this girl's visit, so she (the schoolfriend) never got to see me alone. This successfully dissuaded her from doing it any more (other than a few comments that got our eyebrows raising).
Should her parents have spoken to her about sex and what was and was not appropriate? I thought they should; she'd obviously picked up what she had from conversations with other children and what appeared to be early hormones. Personally, I thought she was going to be very vulnerable to any adult with paedophilic tendencies.
I take it you disagree?
Clearly an illustration of too much sexualisation of young people in our culture generally, when we didn't have as much sex in the media and more traditional Christian family values it was less of an issue
This particular event happened twenty years ago.
Kids have always talked between each other about sex. Discussions on that happened when I was a child in the Seventies, and this particular event happened twenty years ago.
Sexual abuse of children was more prevalent in the Seventies, Sixties, and Fifties - it was just brushed under the carpet and not discussed. Less sex in the media, more Christian family values, and more children getting abused and raped.
People just preferred to go into denial. That same tendency is visible in some today.
Is there any evidence there was more paedophilia in the fifties? I highly doubt it, we also had lower divorce rates, higher marriage rates and a birthrate above replacement level
The Catholic Church waves "hello!"
And yes, there is ample evidence. People aged 60-79 are much more likely to report having been abused as a child than people aged 20 to 39.
NO they should not. Absolutely not. They should only start to learn about sex, only at an appropriate level, from age 11 and only in more detail from 16, the age of consent
Being informed about the minimum age of consent before you reach it is just sensible, don't you think? It gives you a pretty strong response to paedophilia - "What you're suggesting would actually be a criminal offence even if you persuaded me, so stop trying." It's a minimum, not a requirement, in the same way that a speed limit is a maximum, not a target.
Is Roaster Ross going to get outraged by pantomimes?
His argument seems to be pantomime dames don't push gender ideology
I don't think Drag Queen Story Hour does either. This is just Moray copying US nonsense.
'Encouraging children to develop a love of reading through imaginative story time, while promoting inclusion, diversity and acceptance...' Now nobody wants intolerance but 6 and under is rather young to be discussing Trans
We teach kinds younger than that that there are different sexes. Is that wrong too?
Well there are, that is a biological fact
And there are transgender people. That is a sociological fact.
Only through surgery and even with that and hormones treatment trans cyclists are no longer allowed to compete in female races as even with hormone suppression they still have an advantage over female cyclists https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/65718748
No, transgender people are transgender even without undergoing surgery.
Maybe if you'd been taught this stuff at a younger age you'd be a little more clued in to the facts.
So you want to teach 6 year olds they are transgender? No wonder you on the left are out of touch!
You're confusing being taught that you are something, with being taught about other people. No wonder the Tories are out of touch with humanity.
It is not appropriate for 6 year olds or even older primary school children. It should be a secondary school issue only
Bollocks.
I literally head the same arguments made about not exposing kids to gay ideology when Section 28 was a thing.
My then 4 year old only had one question about attending a same sex wedding.
'Which one of you throws the bouquet, and can you make sure my dad catches it?'
I have a 5 year old and it's not appropriate to discuss sexual intercourse at that age.
Your five year old presumably knows that there are men and women. They don't need to hear about intercourse to have an understanding of that fact. They don't need to know about penetration to understand that some couples are different genders and some couples are the same gender. They don't need to know what adults do with their genitals to know that sometimes people are born as one gender but prefer to live as another.
You don't need to deliver all the yucky truth about everything all at once.
Personally I wouldn't allow any sex education or discussion of gender identity in schools until pupils are 11 or over and have reached puberty
Wait until kids have hit puberty before discussing puberty?
Talk about waiting until the horse has bolted before closing the door.
Unless you are a paedophile kids shoudn't be engaging in or discussing sex until they have reached puberty absolutely
Kids absolutely shouldn't be engaging in sex until they are young adults.
They should however be learning about it, at appropriate levels, before their hormones go wild rather than afterwards.
NO they should not. Absolutely not. They should only start to learn about sex, only at an appropriate level, from age 11 and only in more detail from 16, the age of consent
Wow, just wow. Wait until they're past the age of consent before learning about it properly?
Colorado representative Lauren Boebert, 36, announced she’s going to be a grandmother next month.
The Republican firebrand made the declaration earlier this week at a Moms for America event, from which video started making the rounds Thursday.
“Not only am I mom of four boys, but come April, I will be a GG to a brand new grandson,” she beamed.
Newsweek reports that the child’s father is Boebert’s 17-year-old son, Tyler.
Boebert’s announcement comes just days after she called for the elimination of “comprehensive sex ed” in public schools, according to Raw Story.
The son was 17 when he became a father, 100 years ago that wouldn't have been uncommon when we had more traditional family values and over the age of consent in his state
Would you mind answering the question? Is this the world you want now, today, not 100 years ago? Yes or no?
Plenty of things were better in the 1920s
I'm pretty conservative in my tastes. Yet I can't think of a single thing that was better in the 1920s. Train services, perhaps.
Huddersfield Town. 3 times champions and in top 3 six years in a row.
Is Roaster Ross going to get outraged by pantomimes?
His argument seems to be pantomime dames don't push gender ideology
I don't think Drag Queen Story Hour does either. This is just Moray copying US nonsense.
'Encouraging children to develop a love of reading through imaginative story time, while promoting inclusion, diversity and acceptance...' Now nobody wants intolerance but 6 and under is rather young to be discussing Trans
We teach kinds younger than that that there are different sexes. Is that wrong too?
Well there are, that is a biological fact
And there are transgender people. That is a sociological fact.
Only through surgery and even with that and hormones treatment trans cyclists are no longer allowed to compete in female races as even with hormone suppression they still have an advantage over female cyclists https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/65718748
No, transgender people are transgender even without undergoing surgery.
Maybe if you'd been taught this stuff at a younger age you'd be a little more clued in to the facts.
So you want to teach 6 year olds they are transgender? No wonder you on the left are out of touch!
You're confusing being taught that you are something, with being taught about other people. No wonder the Tories are out of touch with humanity.
It is not appropriate for 6 year olds or even older primary school children. It should be a secondary school issue only
Bollocks.
I literally head the same arguments made about not exposing kids to gay ideology when Section 28 was a thing.
My then 4 year old only had one question about attending a same sex wedding.
'Which one of you throws the bouquet, and can you make sure my dad catches it?'
I have a 5 year old and it's not appropriate to discuss sexual intercourse at that age.
Your five year old presumably knows that there are men and women. They don't need to hear about intercourse to have an understanding of that fact. They don't need to know about penetration to understand that some couples are different genders and some couples are the same gender. They don't need to know what adults do with their genitals to know that sometimes people are born as one gender but prefer to live as another.
You don't need to deliver all the yucky truth about everything all at once.
Personally I wouldn't allow any sex education or discussion of gender identity in schools until pupils are 11 or over and have reached puberty
Wait until kids have hit puberty before discussing puberty?
Talk about waiting until the horse has bolted before closing the door.
Unless you are a paedophile kids shoudn't be engaging in or discussing sex until they have reached puberty absolutely
Kids absolutely shouldn't be engaging in sex until they are young adults.
They should however be learning about it, at appropriate levels, before their hormones go wild rather than afterwards.
NO they should not. Absolutely not. They should only start to learn about sex, only at an appropriate level, from age 11 and only in more detail from 16, the age of consent
Okay.
So, when my eldest daughter was ten, one of her schoolfriends came to visit. She was the same age.
She (the schoolfriend) was extremely inappropriate towards me, to the point where I immediately went to get my wife and asked her to stay near me for the duration of this girl's visit, so she (the schoolfriend) never got to see me alone. This successfully dissuaded her from doing it any more (other than a few comments that got our eyebrows raising).
Should her parents have spoken to her about sex and what was and was not appropriate? I thought they should; she'd obviously picked up what she had from conversations with other children and what appeared to be early hormones. Personally, I thought she was going to be very vulnerable to any adult with paedophilic tendencies.
I take it you disagree?
Clearly an illustration of too much sexualisation of young people in our culture generally, when we didn't have as much sex in the media and more traditional Christian family values it was less of an issue
This particular event happened twenty years ago.
Kids have always talked between each other about sex. Discussions on that happened when I was a child in the Seventies, and this particular event happened twenty years ago.
Sexual abuse of children was more prevalent in the Seventies, Sixties, and Fifties - it was just brushed under the carpet and not discussed. Less sex in the media, more Christian family values, and more children getting abused and raped.
People just preferred to go into denial. That same tendency is visible in some today.
Is there any evidence there was more paedophilia in the fifties? I highly doubt it, we also had lower divorce rates, higher marriage rates and a birthrate above replacement level
The Catholic Church waves "hello!"
And yes, there is ample evidence. People aged 60-79 are much more likely to report having been abused as a child than people aged 20 to 39.
Stats for that? Say what you like about the Catholic church, at least they promote traditional marriage and having children and the family
Is Roaster Ross going to get outraged by pantomimes?
His argument seems to be pantomime dames don't push gender ideology
I don't think Drag Queen Story Hour does either. This is just Moray copying US nonsense.
'Encouraging children to develop a love of reading through imaginative story time, while promoting inclusion, diversity and acceptance...' Now nobody wants intolerance but 6 and under is rather young to be discussing Trans
We teach kinds younger than that that there are different sexes. Is that wrong too?
Well there are, that is a biological fact
And there are transgender people. That is a sociological fact.
Only through surgery and even with that and hormones treatment trans cyclists are no longer allowed to compete in female races as even with hormone suppression they still have an advantage over female cyclists https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/65718748
No, transgender people are transgender even without undergoing surgery.
Maybe if you'd been taught this stuff at a younger age you'd be a little more clued in to the facts.
So you want to teach 6 year olds they are transgender? No wonder you on the left are out of touch!
You're confusing being taught that you are something, with being taught about other people. No wonder the Tories are out of touch with humanity.
It is not appropriate for 6 year olds or even older primary school children. It should be a secondary school issue only
Bollocks.
I literally head the same arguments made about not exposing kids to gay ideology when Section 28 was a thing.
My then 4 year old only had one question about attending a same sex wedding.
'Which one of you throws the bouquet, and can you make sure my dad catches it?'
I have a 5 year old and it's not appropriate to discuss sexual intercourse at that age.
Your five year old presumably knows that there are men and women. They don't need to hear about intercourse to have an understanding of that fact. They don't need to know about penetration to understand that some couples are different genders and some couples are the same gender. They don't need to know what adults do with their genitals to know that sometimes people are born as one gender but prefer to live as another.
You don't need to deliver all the yucky truth about everything all at once.
Personally I wouldn't allow any sex education or discussion of gender identity in schools until pupils are 11 or over and have reached puberty
Wait until kids have hit puberty before discussing puberty?
Talk about waiting until the horse has bolted before closing the door.
Unless you are a paedophile kids shoudn't be engaging in or discussing sex until they have reached puberty absolutely
Kids absolutely shouldn't be engaging in sex until they are young adults.
They should however be learning about it, at appropriate levels, before their hormones go wild rather than afterwards.
NO they should not. Absolutely not. They should only start to learn about sex, only at an appropriate level, from age 11 and only in more detail from 16, the age of consent
Okay.
So, when my eldest daughter was ten, one of her schoolfriends came to visit. She was the same age.
She (the schoolfriend) was extremely inappropriate towards me, to the point where I immediately went to get my wife and asked her to stay near me for the duration of this girl's visit, so she (the schoolfriend) never got to see me alone. This successfully dissuaded her from doing it any more (other than a few comments that got our eyebrows raising).
Should her parents have spoken to her about sex and what was and was not appropriate? I thought they should; she'd obviously picked up what she had from conversations with other children and what appeared to be early hormones. Personally, I thought she was going to be very vulnerable to any adult with paedophilic tendencies.
I take it you disagree?
Clearly an illustration of too much sexualisation of young people in our culture generally, when we didn't have as much sex in the media and more traditional Christian family values it was less of an issue
This particular event happened twenty years ago.
Kids have always talked between each other about sex. Discussions on that happened when I was a child in the Seventies, and this particular event happened twenty years ago.
Sexual abuse of children was more prevalent in the Seventies, Sixties, and Fifties - it was just brushed under the carpet and not discussed. Less sex in the media, more Christian family values, and more children getting abused and raped.
People just preferred to go into denial. That same tendency is visible in some today.
I remember late 70s/early 80s a house 'catching on fire' near me. The fire brigade turned up but the police wouldn't let them do anything until they'd carted out a whole load of 'paperwork'. Turned out the guy who lived there was a known kiddy-fiddler and also a friend of various councillors.
Paperwork mysteriously disappeared shortly after and nothing more said.
Wouldn't it have been simpler to let said paperwork burn?
Is Roaster Ross going to get outraged by pantomimes?
His argument seems to be pantomime dames don't push gender ideology
I don't think Drag Queen Story Hour does either. This is just Moray copying US nonsense.
'Encouraging children to develop a love of reading through imaginative story time, while promoting inclusion, diversity and acceptance...' Now nobody wants intolerance but 6 and under is rather young to be discussing Trans
We teach kinds younger than that that there are different sexes. Is that wrong too?
Well there are, that is a biological fact
And there are transgender people. That is a sociological fact.
Only through surgery and even with that and hormones treatment trans cyclists are no longer allowed to compete in female races as even with hormone suppression they still have an advantage over female cyclists https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/65718748
No, transgender people are transgender even without undergoing surgery.
Maybe if you'd been taught this stuff at a younger age you'd be a little more clued in to the facts.
So you want to teach 6 year olds they are transgender? No wonder you on the left are out of touch!
You're confusing being taught that you are something, with being taught about other people. No wonder the Tories are out of touch with humanity.
It is not appropriate for 6 year olds or even older primary school children. It should be a secondary school issue only
Bollocks.
I literally head the same arguments made about not exposing kids to gay ideology when Section 28 was a thing.
My then 4 year old only had one question about attending a same sex wedding.
'Which one of you throws the bouquet, and can you make sure my dad catches it?'
I have a 5 year old and it's not appropriate to discuss sexual intercourse at that age.
Your five year old presumably knows that there are men and women. They don't need to hear about intercourse to have an understanding of that fact. They don't need to know about penetration to understand that some couples are different genders and some couples are the same gender. They don't need to know what adults do with their genitals to know that sometimes people are born as one gender but prefer to live as another.
You don't need to deliver all the yucky truth about everything all at once.
Personally I wouldn't allow any sex education or discussion of gender identity in schools until pupils are 11 or over and have reached puberty
Wait until kids have hit puberty before discussing puberty?
Talk about waiting until the horse has bolted before closing the door.
Unless you are a paedophile kids shoudn't be engaging in or discussing sex until they have reached puberty absolutely
Kids absolutely shouldn't be engaging in sex until they are young adults.
They should however be learning about it, at appropriate levels, before their hormones go wild rather than afterwards.
NO they should not. Absolutely not. They should only start to learn about sex, only at an appropriate level, from age 11 and only in more detail from 16, the age of consent
Okay.
So, when my eldest daughter was ten, one of her schoolfriends came to visit. She was the same age.
She (the schoolfriend) was extremely inappropriate towards me, to the point where I immediately went to get my wife and asked her to stay near me for the duration of this girl's visit, so she (the schoolfriend) never got to see me alone. This successfully dissuaded her from doing it any more (other than a few comments that got our eyebrows raising).
Should her parents have spoken to her about sex and what was and was not appropriate? I thought they should; she'd obviously picked up what she had from conversations with other children and what appeared to be early hormones. Personally, I thought she was going to be very vulnerable to any adult with paedophilic tendencies.
I take it you disagree?
Clearly an illustration of too much sexualisation of young people in our culture generally, when we didn't have as much sex in the media and more traditional Christian family values it was less of an issue
This particular event happened twenty years ago.
Kids have always talked between each other about sex. Discussions on that happened when I was a child in the Seventies, and this particular event happened twenty years ago.
Sexual abuse of children was more prevalent in the Seventies, Sixties, and Fifties - it was just brushed under the carpet and not discussed. Less sex in the media, more Christian family values, and more children getting abused and raped.
People just preferred to go into denial. That same tendency is visible in some today.
Is there any evidence there was more paedophilia in the fifties? I highly doubt it, we also had lower divorce rates, higher marriage rates and a birthrate above replacement level
The Catholic Church waves "hello!"
And yes, there is ample evidence. People aged 60-79 are much more likely to report having been abused as a child than people aged 20 to 39.
Stats for that? Say what you like about the Catholic church, at least they promote traditional marriage and having children and the family
We will.
And there is a significant difference between 'promoting' and 'practising' in this case.
Is Roaster Ross going to get outraged by pantomimes?
His argument seems to be pantomime dames don't push gender ideology
I don't think Drag Queen Story Hour does either. This is just Moray copying US nonsense.
'Encouraging children to develop a love of reading through imaginative story time, while promoting inclusion, diversity and acceptance...' Now nobody wants intolerance but 6 and under is rather young to be discussing Trans
We teach kinds younger than that that there are different sexes. Is that wrong too?
Well there are, that is a biological fact
And there are transgender people. That is a sociological fact.
Only through surgery and even with that and hormones treatment trans cyclists are no longer allowed to compete in female races as even with hormone suppression they still have an advantage over female cyclists https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/65718748
No, transgender people are transgender even without undergoing surgery.
Maybe if you'd been taught this stuff at a younger age you'd be a little more clued in to the facts.
So you want to teach 6 year olds they are transgender? No wonder you on the left are out of touch!
You're confusing being taught that you are something, with being taught about other people. No wonder the Tories are out of touch with humanity.
It is not appropriate for 6 year olds or even older primary school children. It should be a secondary school issue only
Bollocks.
I literally head the same arguments made about not exposing kids to gay ideology when Section 28 was a thing.
My then 4 year old only had one question about attending a same sex wedding.
'Which one of you throws the bouquet, and can you make sure my dad catches it?'
I have a 5 year old and it's not appropriate to discuss sexual intercourse at that age.
Your five year old presumably knows that there are men and women. They don't need to hear about intercourse to have an understanding of that fact. They don't need to know about penetration to understand that some couples are different genders and some couples are the same gender. They don't need to know what adults do with their genitals to know that sometimes people are born as one gender but prefer to live as another.
You don't need to deliver all the yucky truth about everything all at once.
Personally I wouldn't allow any sex education or discussion of gender identity in schools until pupils are 11 or over and have reached puberty
Wait until kids have hit puberty before discussing puberty?
Talk about waiting until the horse has bolted before closing the door.
Unless you are a paedophile kids shoudn't be engaging in or discussing sex until they have reached puberty absolutely
Kids absolutely shouldn't be engaging in sex until they are young adults.
They should however be learning about it, at appropriate levels, before their hormones go wild rather than afterwards.
NO they should not. Absolutely not. They should only start to learn about sex, only at an appropriate level, from age 11 and only in more detail from 16, the age of consent
Wow, just wow. Wait until they're past the age of consent before learning about it properly?
Colorado representative Lauren Boebert, 36, announced she’s going to be a grandmother next month.
The Republican firebrand made the declaration earlier this week at a Moms for America event, from which video started making the rounds Thursday.
“Not only am I mom of four boys, but come April, I will be a GG to a brand new grandson,” she beamed.
Newsweek reports that the child’s father is Boebert’s 17-year-old son, Tyler.
Boebert’s announcement comes just days after she called for the elimination of “comprehensive sex ed” in public schools, according to Raw Story.
The son was 17 when he became a father, 100 years ago that wouldn't have been uncommon when we had more traditional family values and over the age of consent in his state
Would you mind answering the question? Is this the world you want now, today, not 100 years ago? Yes or no?
Plenty of things were better in the 1920s
I'm pretty conservative in my tastes. Yet I can't think of a single thing that was better in the 1920s. Train services, perhaps.
Is Roaster Ross going to get outraged by pantomimes?
His argument seems to be pantomime dames don't push gender ideology
I don't think Drag Queen Story Hour does either. This is just Moray copying US nonsense.
'Encouraging children to develop a love of reading through imaginative story time, while promoting inclusion, diversity and acceptance...' Now nobody wants intolerance but 6 and under is rather young to be discussing Trans
We teach kinds younger than that that there are different sexes. Is that wrong too?
Well there are, that is a biological fact
And there are transgender people. That is a sociological fact.
Only through surgery and even with that and hormones treatment trans cyclists are no longer allowed to compete in female races as even with hormone suppression they still have an advantage over female cyclists https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/65718748
No, transgender people are transgender even without undergoing surgery.
Maybe if you'd been taught this stuff at a younger age you'd be a little more clued in to the facts.
So you want to teach 6 year olds they are transgender? No wonder you on the left are out of touch!
You're confusing being taught that you are something, with being taught about other people. No wonder the Tories are out of touch with humanity.
It is not appropriate for 6 year olds or even older primary school children. It should be a secondary school issue only
Bollocks.
I literally head the same arguments made about not exposing kids to gay ideology when Section 28 was a thing.
My then 4 year old only had one question about attending a same sex wedding.
'Which one of you throws the bouquet, and can you make sure my dad catches it?'
I have a 5 year old and it's not appropriate to discuss sexual intercourse at that age.
Your five year old presumably knows that there are men and women. They don't need to hear about intercourse to have an understanding of that fact. They don't need to know about penetration to understand that some couples are different genders and some couples are the same gender. They don't need to know what adults do with their genitals to know that sometimes people are born as one gender but prefer to live as another.
You don't need to deliver all the yucky truth about everything all at once.
Personally I wouldn't allow any sex education or discussion of gender identity in schools until pupils are 11 or over and have reached puberty
Wait until kids have hit puberty before discussing puberty?
Talk about waiting until the horse has bolted before closing the door.
Unless you are a paedophile kids shoudn't be engaging in or discussing sex until they have reached puberty absolutely
Kids absolutely shouldn't be engaging in sex until they are young adults.
They should however be learning about it, at appropriate levels, before their hormones go wild rather than afterwards.
NO they should not. Absolutely not. They should only start to learn about sex, only at an appropriate level, from age 11 and only in more detail from 16, the age of consent
Wow, just wow. Wait until they're past the age of consent before learning about it properly?
Colorado representative Lauren Boebert, 36, announced she’s going to be a grandmother next month.
The Republican firebrand made the declaration earlier this week at a Moms for America event, from which video started making the rounds Thursday.
“Not only am I mom of four boys, but come April, I will be a GG to a brand new grandson,” she beamed.
Newsweek reports that the child’s father is Boebert’s 17-year-old son, Tyler.
Boebert’s announcement comes just days after she called for the elimination of “comprehensive sex ed” in public schools, according to Raw Story.
The son was 17 when he became a father, 100 years ago that wouldn't have been uncommon when we had more traditional family values and over the age of consent in his state
Would you mind answering the question? Is this the world you want now, today, not 100 years ago? Yes or no?
Plenty of things were better in the 1920s
I'm pretty conservative in my tastes. Yet I can't think of a single thing that was better in the 1920s. Train services, perhaps.
Is Roaster Ross going to get outraged by pantomimes?
His argument seems to be pantomime dames don't push gender ideology
I don't think Drag Queen Story Hour does either. This is just Moray copying US nonsense.
'Encouraging children to develop a love of reading through imaginative story time, while promoting inclusion, diversity and acceptance...' Now nobody wants intolerance but 6 and under is rather young to be discussing Trans
We teach kinds younger than that that there are different sexes. Is that wrong too?
Well there are, that is a biological fact
And there are transgender people. That is a sociological fact.
Only through surgery and even with that and hormones treatment trans cyclists are no longer allowed to compete in female races as even with hormone suppression they still have an advantage over female cyclists https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/65718748
No, transgender people are transgender even without undergoing surgery.
Maybe if you'd been taught this stuff at a younger age you'd be a little more clued in to the facts.
So you want to teach 6 year olds they are transgender? No wonder you on the left are out of touch!
You're confusing being taught that you are something, with being taught about other people. No wonder the Tories are out of touch with humanity.
It is not appropriate for 6 year olds or even older primary school children. It should be a secondary school issue only
Bollocks.
I literally head the same arguments made about not exposing kids to gay ideology when Section 28 was a thing.
My then 4 year old only had one question about attending a same sex wedding.
'Which one of you throws the bouquet, and can you make sure my dad catches it?'
I have a 5 year old and it's not appropriate to discuss sexual intercourse at that age.
Your five year old presumably knows that there are men and women. They don't need to hear about intercourse to have an understanding of that fact. They don't need to know about penetration to understand that some couples are different genders and some couples are the same gender. They don't need to know what adults do with their genitals to know that sometimes people are born as one gender but prefer to live as another.
You don't need to deliver all the yucky truth about everything all at once.
Personally I wouldn't allow any sex education or discussion of gender identity in schools until pupils are 11 or over and have reached puberty
Wait until kids have hit puberty before discussing puberty?
Talk about waiting until the horse has bolted before closing the door.
Unless you are a paedophile kids shoudn't be engaging in or discussing sex until they have reached puberty absolutely
Kids absolutely shouldn't be engaging in sex until they are young adults.
They should however be learning about it, at appropriate levels, before their hormones go wild rather than afterwards.
NO they should not. Absolutely not. They should only start to learn about sex, only at an appropriate level, from age 11 and only in more detail from 16, the age of consent
Wow, just wow. Wait until they're past the age of consent before learning about it properly?
Colorado representative Lauren Boebert, 36, announced she’s going to be a grandmother next month.
The Republican firebrand made the declaration earlier this week at a Moms for America event, from which video started making the rounds Thursday.
“Not only am I mom of four boys, but come April, I will be a GG to a brand new grandson,” she beamed.
Newsweek reports that the child’s father is Boebert’s 17-year-old son, Tyler.
Boebert’s announcement comes just days after she called for the elimination of “comprehensive sex ed” in public schools, according to Raw Story.
The son was 17 when he became a father, 100 years ago that wouldn't have been uncommon when we had more traditional family values and over the age of consent in his state
Would you mind answering the question? Is this the world you want now, today, not 100 years ago? Yes or no?
Plenty of things were better in the 1920s
I'm pretty conservative in my tastes. Yet I can't think of a single thing that was better in the 1920s. Train services, perhaps.
Far superior cloche hats. Wax cylinder tech was amazing. And you could post a handwritten note to "Mssrs Politicalbetting, NW1 0GH" and have it appear in print just a few months later.
Is Roaster Ross going to get outraged by pantomimes?
His argument seems to be pantomime dames don't push gender ideology
I don't think Drag Queen Story Hour does either. This is just Moray copying US nonsense.
'Encouraging children to develop a love of reading through imaginative story time, while promoting inclusion, diversity and acceptance...' Now nobody wants intolerance but 6 and under is rather young to be discussing Trans
We teach kinds younger than that that there are different sexes. Is that wrong too?
Well there are, that is a biological fact
And there are transgender people. That is a sociological fact.
Only through surgery and even with that and hormones treatment trans cyclists are no longer allowed to compete in female races as even with hormone suppression they still have an advantage over female cyclists https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/65718748
No, transgender people are transgender even without undergoing surgery.
Maybe if you'd been taught this stuff at a younger age you'd be a little more clued in to the facts.
So you want to teach 6 year olds they are transgender? No wonder you on the left are out of touch!
You're confusing being taught that you are something, with being taught about other people. No wonder the Tories are out of touch with humanity.
It is not appropriate for 6 year olds or even older primary school children. It should be a secondary school issue only
Bollocks.
I literally head the same arguments made about not exposing kids to gay ideology when Section 28 was a thing.
My then 4 year old only had one question about attending a same sex wedding.
'Which one of you throws the bouquet, and can you make sure my dad catches it?'
I have a 5 year old and it's not appropriate to discuss sexual intercourse at that age.
Your five year old presumably knows that there are men and women. They don't need to hear about intercourse to have an understanding of that fact. They don't need to know about penetration to understand that some couples are different genders and some couples are the same gender. They don't need to know what adults do with their genitals to know that sometimes people are born as one gender but prefer to live as another.
You don't need to deliver all the yucky truth about everything all at once.
Personally I wouldn't allow any sex education or discussion of gender identity in schools until pupils are 11 or over and have reached puberty
Wait until kids have hit puberty before discussing puberty?
Talk about waiting until the horse has bolted before closing the door.
Unless you are a paedophile kids shoudn't be engaging in or discussing sex until they have reached puberty absolutely
If you want to protect children from paedophiles you need to teach them well before puberty how to be alert to the sorts of behaviour which indicate someone who may want to harm them. One of those indicators may well be people seeking to sexualise a child or encourage them to behave in an inappropriately sexual way or to densitise them to adults doing so in front of a child.
On drag, there are drag acts which are harmless fun - like pantomime dames etc.., But there are some which are very sexualised and simply not appropriate for children. So it depends which ones we are talking about. Saying that all drag acts should be banned is as daft as saying that all are appropriate for children. Some are; some aren't.
I would also hope that any group - drag or no - wishing to get close to children are properly and thoroughly checked out first. I recently listened to the documentary "In Dark Corners" on iPlayer Sounds about prolific paedophile teachers in some well-known public schools and how they targeted vulnerable children and moved from school to school. It is a horrific story and we'd be naive in thinking it is not still happening. Safeguarding is simply not taken seriously enough in practice. Child abusers will do whatever it takes to get close to children in order to abuse them and behave like parasites on more respectable institutions, groups and movements in order to achieve their aims. We would do well to remember that and not dismiss such concerns as moral panics, as the IICSA final report (and earlier ones) clearly state.
Is Roaster Ross going to get outraged by pantomimes?
His argument seems to be pantomime dames don't push gender ideology
I don't think Drag Queen Story Hour does either. This is just Moray copying US nonsense.
'Encouraging children to develop a love of reading through imaginative story time, while promoting inclusion, diversity and acceptance...' Now nobody wants intolerance but 6 and under is rather young to be discussing Trans
We teach kinds younger than that that there are different sexes. Is that wrong too?
Well there are, that is a biological fact
And there are transgender people. That is a sociological fact.
Only through surgery and even with that and hormones treatment trans cyclists are no longer allowed to compete in female races as even with hormone suppression they still have an advantage over female cyclists https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/65718748
No, transgender people are transgender even without undergoing surgery.
Maybe if you'd been taught this stuff at a younger age you'd be a little more clued in to the facts.
So you want to teach 6 year olds they are transgender? No wonder you on the left are out of touch!
You're confusing being taught that you are something, with being taught about other people. No wonder the Tories are out of touch with humanity.
It is not appropriate for 6 year olds or even older primary school children. It should be a secondary school issue only
Bollocks.
I literally head the same arguments made about not exposing kids to gay ideology when Section 28 was a thing.
My then 4 year old only had one question about attending a same sex wedding.
'Which one of you throws the bouquet, and can you make sure my dad catches it?'
I have a 5 year old and it's not appropriate to discuss sexual intercourse at that age.
Your five year old presumably knows that there are men and women. They don't need to hear about intercourse to have an understanding of that fact. They don't need to know about penetration to understand that some couples are different genders and some couples are the same gender. They don't need to know what adults do with their genitals to know that sometimes people are born as one gender but prefer to live as another.
You don't need to deliver all the yucky truth about everything all at once.
Personally I wouldn't allow any sex education or discussion of gender identity in schools until pupils are 11 or over and have reached puberty
Wait until kids have hit puberty before discussing puberty?
Talk about waiting until the horse has bolted before closing the door.
Unless you are a paedophile kids shoudn't be engaging in or discussing sex until they have reached puberty absolutely
Kids absolutely shouldn't be engaging in sex until they are young adults.
They should however be learning about it, at appropriate levels, before their hormones go wild rather than afterwards.
NO they should not. Absolutely not. They should only start to learn about sex, only at an appropriate level, from age 11 and only in more detail from 16, the age of consent
Wow, just wow. Wait until they're past the age of consent before learning about it properly?
Colorado representative Lauren Boebert, 36, announced she’s going to be a grandmother next month.
The Republican firebrand made the declaration earlier this week at a Moms for America event, from which video started making the rounds Thursday.
“Not only am I mom of four boys, but come April, I will be a GG to a brand new grandson,” she beamed.
Newsweek reports that the child’s father is Boebert’s 17-year-old son, Tyler.
Boebert’s announcement comes just days after she called for the elimination of “comprehensive sex ed” in public schools, according to Raw Story.
The son was 17 when he became a father, 100 years ago that wouldn't have been uncommon when we had more traditional family values and over the age of consent in his state
Would you mind answering the question? Is this the world you want now, today, not 100 years ago? Yes or no?
Plenty of things were better in the 1920s
I'm pretty conservative in my tastes. Yet I can't think of a single thing that was better in the 1920s. Train services, perhaps.
“The non-human intelligence phenomenon is real. We are not alone,” Grey said. “Retrievals of this kind are not limited to the United States. This is a global phenomenon, and yet a global solution continues to elude us.”
Is Roaster Ross going to get outraged by pantomimes?
His argument seems to be pantomime dames don't push gender ideology
I don't think Drag Queen Story Hour does either. This is just Moray copying US nonsense.
'Encouraging children to develop a love of reading through imaginative story time, while promoting inclusion, diversity and acceptance...' Now nobody wants intolerance but 6 and under is rather young to be discussing Trans
We teach kinds younger than that that there are different sexes. Is that wrong too?
Well there are, that is a biological fact
And there are transgender people. That is a sociological fact.
Only through surgery and even with that and hormones treatment trans cyclists are no longer allowed to compete in female races as even with hormone suppression they still have an advantage over female cyclists https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/65718748
No, transgender people are transgender even without undergoing surgery.
Maybe if you'd been taught this stuff at a younger age you'd be a little more clued in to the facts.
So you want to teach 6 year olds they are transgender? No wonder you on the left are out of touch!
You're confusing being taught that you are something, with being taught about other people. No wonder the Tories are out of touch with humanity.
It is not appropriate for 6 year olds or even older primary school children. It should be a secondary school issue only
Bollocks.
I literally head the same arguments made about not exposing kids to gay ideology when Section 28 was a thing.
My then 4 year old only had one question about attending a same sex wedding.
'Which one of you throws the bouquet, and can you make sure my dad catches it?'
I have a 5 year old and it's not appropriate to discuss sexual intercourse at that age.
Your five year old presumably knows that there are men and women. They don't need to hear about intercourse to have an understanding of that fact. They don't need to know about penetration to understand that some couples are different genders and some couples are the same gender. They don't need to know what adults do with their genitals to know that sometimes people are born as one gender but prefer to live as another.
You don't need to deliver all the yucky truth about everything all at once.
Personally I wouldn't allow any sex education or discussion of gender identity in schools until pupils are 11 or over and have reached puberty
Wait until kids have hit puberty before discussing puberty?
Talk about waiting until the horse has bolted before closing the door.
Unless you are a paedophile kids shoudn't be engaging in or discussing sex until they have reached puberty absolutely
Kids absolutely shouldn't be engaging in sex until they are young adults.
They should however be learning about it, at appropriate levels, before their hormones go wild rather than afterwards.
NO they should not. Absolutely not. They should only start to learn about sex, only at an appropriate level, from age 11 and only in more detail from 16, the age of consent
Okay.
So, when my eldest daughter was ten, one of her schoolfriends came to visit. She was the same age.
She (the schoolfriend) was extremely inappropriate towards me, to the point where I immediately went to get my wife and asked her to stay near me for the duration of this girl's visit, so she (the schoolfriend) never got to see me alone. This successfully dissuaded her from doing it any more (other than a few comments that got our eyebrows raising).
Should her parents have spoken to her about sex and what was and was not appropriate? I thought they should; she'd obviously picked up what she had from conversations with other children and what appeared to be early hormones. Personally, I thought she was going to be very vulnerable to any adult with paedophilic tendencies.
I take it you disagree?
Clearly an illustration of too much sexualisation of young people in our culture generally, when we didn't have as much sex in the media and more traditional Christian family values it was less of an issue
This particular event happened twenty years ago.
Kids have always talked between each other about sex. Discussions on that happened when I was a child in the Seventies, and this particular event happened twenty years ago.
Sexual abuse of children was more prevalent in the Seventies, Sixties, and Fifties - it was just brushed under the carpet and not discussed. Less sex in the media, more Christian family values, and more children getting abused and raped.
People just preferred to go into denial. That same tendency is visible in some today.
I remember late 70s/early 80s a house 'catching on fire' near me. The fire brigade turned up but the police wouldn't let them do anything until they'd carted out a whole load of 'paperwork'. Turned out the guy who lived there was a known kiddy-fiddler and also a friend of various councillors.
Paperwork mysteriously disappeared shortly after and nothing more said.
Wouldn't it have been simpler to let said paperwork burn?
The suspicion was that it contained a lot of 'paperwork' that some people enjoyed.
Lululemon’s CEO stands by his decision to axe two employees who called the police while three masked men robbed a Georgia outpost, citing the company’s “zero-tolerance policy” for intervening with a robbery as a reason for firing the workers.
Bloody good job @Cyclefree 's son doesn't work for that company.
What actually happening is this
1) in the US, any company that doesn’t have a very strict policy of employees not physically interacting with robbers, will get sued to oblivion by employees who get themselves injured. 2) in the past, tolerating employing fighting back has been taken a evidence of the actual company policy being to fight back 3) because of health costs, juries award big settlements against companies when employees get injured.
So the company in this case is actually protecting themselves and their insurance costs.
Is Roaster Ross going to get outraged by pantomimes?
His argument seems to be pantomime dames don't push gender ideology
I don't think Drag Queen Story Hour does either. This is just Moray copying US nonsense.
'Encouraging children to develop a love of reading through imaginative story time, while promoting inclusion, diversity and acceptance...' Now nobody wants intolerance but 6 and under is rather young to be discussing Trans
We teach kinds younger than that that there are different sexes. Is that wrong too?
Well there are, that is a biological fact
And there are transgender people. That is a sociological fact.
Only through surgery and even with that and hormones treatment trans cyclists are no longer allowed to compete in female races as even with hormone suppression they still have an advantage over female cyclists https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/65718748
No, transgender people are transgender even without undergoing surgery.
Maybe if you'd been taught this stuff at a younger age you'd be a little more clued in to the facts.
So you want to teach 6 year olds they are transgender? No wonder you on the left are out of touch!
You're confusing being taught that you are something, with being taught about other people. No wonder the Tories are out of touch with humanity.
It is not appropriate for 6 year olds or even older primary school children. It should be a secondary school issue only
Bollocks.
I literally head the same arguments made about not exposing kids to gay ideology when Section 28 was a thing.
My then 4 year old only had one question about attending a same sex wedding.
'Which one of you throws the bouquet, and can you make sure my dad catches it?'
I have a 5 year old and it's not appropriate to discuss sexual intercourse at that age.
Your five year old presumably knows that there are men and women. They don't need to hear about intercourse to have an understanding of that fact. They don't need to know about penetration to understand that some couples are different genders and some couples are the same gender. They don't need to know what adults do with their genitals to know that sometimes people are born as one gender but prefer to live as another.
You don't need to deliver all the yucky truth about everything all at once.
Personally I wouldn't allow any sex education or discussion of gender identity in schools until pupils are 11 or over and have reached puberty
Wait until kids have hit puberty before discussing puberty?
Talk about waiting until the horse has bolted before closing the door.
Unless you are a paedophile kids shoudn't be engaging in or discussing sex until they have reached puberty absolutely
Kids absolutely shouldn't be engaging in sex until they are young adults.
They should however be learning about it, at appropriate levels, before their hormones go wild rather than afterwards.
NO they should not. Absolutely not. They should only start to learn about sex, only at an appropriate level, from age 11 and only in more detail from 16, the age of consent
Okay.
So, when my eldest daughter was ten, one of her schoolfriends came to visit. She was the same age.
She (the schoolfriend) was extremely inappropriate towards me, to the point where I immediately went to get my wife and asked her to stay near me for the duration of this girl's visit, so she (the schoolfriend) never got to see me alone. This successfully dissuaded her from doing it any more (other than a few comments that got our eyebrows raising).
Should her parents have spoken to her about sex and what was and was not appropriate? I thought they should; she'd obviously picked up what she had from conversations with other children and what appeared to be early hormones. Personally, I thought she was going to be very vulnerable to any adult with paedophilic tendencies.
I take it you disagree?
Clearly an illustration of too much sexualisation of young people in our culture generally, when we didn't have as much sex in the media and more traditional Christian family values it was less of an issue
This particular event happened twenty years ago.
Kids have always talked between each other about sex. Discussions on that happened when I was a child in the Seventies, and this particular event happened twenty years ago.
Sexual abuse of children was more prevalent in the Seventies, Sixties, and Fifties - it was just brushed under the carpet and not discussed. Less sex in the media, more Christian family values, and more children getting abused and raped.
People just preferred to go into denial. That same tendency is visible in some today.
Is there any evidence there was more paedophilia in the fifties? I highly doubt it, we also had lower divorce rates, higher marriage rates and a birthrate above replacement level
The Catholic Church waves "hello!"
And yes, there is ample evidence. People aged 60-79 are much more likely to report having been abused as a child than people aged 20 to 39.
Stats for that? Say what you like about the Catholic church, at least they promote traditional marriage and having children and the family
How much sexual abuse is acceptable if you promote traditional marriage?
Hmm, so an awks situation in the S household this evening. My wife is downstairs dialled into a zoom council planning meeting about a proposed development right behind our house. That’s right, literally IMBY.
It’s a pile on, the righteously indignant residents objecting to loss of light, building disruption, change of roofline in conservation area, blocked access, you name it.
I am absolutely fine with the development as we need more residential construction, and the plans look nice enough, certainly the bits that will look over our garden.
But I am staying extremely silent. When faced the NIMBY blob you have to know what’s good for you.
Is Roaster Ross going to get outraged by pantomimes?
His argument seems to be pantomime dames don't push gender ideology
I don't think Drag Queen Story Hour does either. This is just Moray copying US nonsense.
'Encouraging children to develop a love of reading through imaginative story time, while promoting inclusion, diversity and acceptance...' Now nobody wants intolerance but 6 and under is rather young to be discussing Trans
We teach kinds younger than that that there are different sexes. Is that wrong too?
Well there are, that is a biological fact
And there are transgender people. That is a sociological fact.
Only through surgery and even with that and hormones treatment trans cyclists are no longer allowed to compete in female races as even with hormone suppression they still have an advantage over female cyclists https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/65718748
No, transgender people are transgender even without undergoing surgery.
Maybe if you'd been taught this stuff at a younger age you'd be a little more clued in to the facts.
So you want to teach 6 year olds they are transgender? No wonder you on the left are out of touch!
You're confusing being taught that you are something, with being taught about other people. No wonder the Tories are out of touch with humanity.
It is not appropriate for 6 year olds or even older primary school children. It should be a secondary school issue only
Bollocks.
I literally head the same arguments made about not exposing kids to gay ideology when Section 28 was a thing.
My then 4 year old only had one question about attending a same sex wedding.
'Which one of you throws the bouquet, and can you make sure my dad catches it?'
I have a 5 year old and it's not appropriate to discuss sexual intercourse at that age.
Your five year old presumably knows that there are men and women. They don't need to hear about intercourse to have an understanding of that fact. They don't need to know about penetration to understand that some couples are different genders and some couples are the same gender. They don't need to know what adults do with their genitals to know that sometimes people are born as one gender but prefer to live as another.
You don't need to deliver all the yucky truth about everything all at once.
Personally I wouldn't allow any sex education or discussion of gender identity in schools until pupils are 11 or over and have reached puberty
Wait until kids have hit puberty before discussing puberty?
Talk about waiting until the horse has bolted before closing the door.
Unless you are a paedophile kids shoudn't be engaging in or discussing sex until they have reached puberty absolutely
Kids absolutely shouldn't be engaging in sex until they are young adults.
They should however be learning about it, at appropriate levels, before their hormones go wild rather than afterwards.
NO they should not. Absolutely not. They should only start to learn about sex, only at an appropriate level, from age 11 and only in more detail from 16, the age of consent
Wow, just wow. Wait until they're past the age of consent before learning about it properly?
Colorado representative Lauren Boebert, 36, announced she’s going to be a grandmother next month.
The Republican firebrand made the declaration earlier this week at a Moms for America event, from which video started making the rounds Thursday.
“Not only am I mom of four boys, but come April, I will be a GG to a brand new grandson,” she beamed.
Newsweek reports that the child’s father is Boebert’s 17-year-old son, Tyler.
Boebert’s announcement comes just days after she called for the elimination of “comprehensive sex ed” in public schools, according to Raw Story.
The son was 17 when he became a father, 100 years ago that wouldn't have been uncommon when we had more traditional family values and over the age of consent in his state
Would you mind answering the question? Is this the world you want now, today, not 100 years ago? Yes or no?
Plenty of things were better in the 1920s
I'm pretty conservative in my tastes. Yet I can't think of a single thing that was better in the 1920s. Train services, perhaps.
Far superior cloche hats. Wax cylinder tech was amazing. And you could post a handwritten note to "Mssrs Politicalbetting, NW1 0GH" and have it appear in print just a few months later.
The postal service. Postcards would arrive the day they were sent, multiple deliveries per day.
Is Roaster Ross going to get outraged by pantomimes?
His argument seems to be pantomime dames don't push gender ideology
I don't think Drag Queen Story Hour does either. This is just Moray copying US nonsense.
'Encouraging children to develop a love of reading through imaginative story time, while promoting inclusion, diversity and acceptance...' Now nobody wants intolerance but 6 and under is rather young to be discussing Trans
We teach kinds younger than that that there are different sexes. Is that wrong too?
Well there are, that is a biological fact
I'll also let you into another fact.
The average human being has one testicle.
On a point of PB pedantry: 1.08 testicles, apparently.
The gap between the number of men and women isn't anywhere near that big. I think you probably mean 1.008 testicles.
And I sometimes wonder why I am addicted to pb. All of life is here! The range of discussion from US politics to the average number of testicles of people across the world. And that’s before we get to AV.
Just wait until we get to the average number of legs. 😀
At some point you will need to erect a special PB statue to me
“US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles Whistleblower former intelligence official says government posseses ‘intact and partially intact’ craft of non-human origin”
“Biden ‘knew of Ukrainian plan to attack Nord Stream’ three months before explosion Washington Post reports that European intelligence service told CIA Ukrainian military was planning attack”
Is Roaster Ross going to get outraged by pantomimes?
His argument seems to be pantomime dames don't push gender ideology
I don't think Drag Queen Story Hour does either. This is just Moray copying US nonsense.
'Encouraging children to develop a love of reading through imaginative story time, while promoting inclusion, diversity and acceptance...' Now nobody wants intolerance but 6 and under is rather young to be discussing Trans
We teach kinds younger than that that there are different sexes. Is that wrong too?
Well there are, that is a biological fact
And there are transgender people. That is a sociological fact.
Only through surgery and even with that and hormones treatment trans cyclists are no longer allowed to compete in female races as even with hormone suppression they still have an advantage over female cyclists https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/65718748
No, transgender people are transgender even without undergoing surgery.
Maybe if you'd been taught this stuff at a younger age you'd be a little more clued in to the facts.
So you want to teach 6 year olds they are transgender? No wonder you on the left are out of touch!
You're confusing being taught that you are something, with being taught about other people. No wonder the Tories are out of touch with humanity.
It is not appropriate for 6 year olds or even older primary school children. It should be a secondary school issue only
Bollocks.
I literally head the same arguments made about not exposing kids to gay ideology when Section 28 was a thing.
My then 4 year old only had one question about attending a same sex wedding.
'Which one of you throws the bouquet, and can you make sure my dad catches it?'
I have a 5 year old and it's not appropriate to discuss sexual intercourse at that age.
Your five year old presumably knows that there are men and women. They don't need to hear about intercourse to have an understanding of that fact. They don't need to know about penetration to understand that some couples are different genders and some couples are the same gender. They don't need to know what adults do with their genitals to know that sometimes people are born as one gender but prefer to live as another.
You don't need to deliver all the yucky truth about everything all at once.
Personally I wouldn't allow any sex education or discussion of gender identity in schools until pupils are 11 or over and have reached puberty
Wait until kids have hit puberty before discussing puberty?
Talk about waiting until the horse has bolted before closing the door.
Unless you are a paedophile kids shoudn't be engaging in or discussing sex until they have reached puberty absolutely
Kids absolutely shouldn't be engaging in sex until they are young adults.
They should however be learning about it, at appropriate levels, before their hormones go wild rather than afterwards.
NO they should not. Absolutely not. They should only start to learn about sex, only at an appropriate level, from age 11 and only in more detail from 16, the age of consent
Okay.
So, when my eldest daughter was ten, one of her schoolfriends came to visit. She was the same age.
She (the schoolfriend) was extremely inappropriate towards me, to the point where I immediately went to get my wife and asked her to stay near me for the duration of this girl's visit, so she (the schoolfriend) never got to see me alone. This successfully dissuaded her from doing it any more (other than a few comments that got our eyebrows raising).
Should her parents have spoken to her about sex and what was and was not appropriate? I thought they should; she'd obviously picked up what she had from conversations with other children and what appeared to be early hormones. Personally, I thought she was going to be very vulnerable to any adult with paedophilic tendencies.
I take it you disagree?
Clearly an illustration of too much sexualisation of young people in our culture generally, when we didn't have as much sex in the media and more traditional Christian family values it was less of an issue
This particular event happened twenty years ago.
Kids have always talked between each other about sex. Discussions on that happened when I was a child in the Seventies, and this particular event happened twenty years ago.
Sexual abuse of children was more prevalent in the Seventies, Sixties, and Fifties - it was just brushed under the carpet and not discussed. Less sex in the media, more Christian family values, and more children getting abused and raped.
People just preferred to go into denial. That same tendency is visible in some today.
I remember late 70s/early 80s a house 'catching on fire' near me. The fire brigade turned up but the police wouldn't let them do anything until they'd carted out a whole load of 'paperwork'. Turned out the guy who lived there was a known kiddy-fiddler and also a friend of various councillors.
Paperwork mysteriously disappeared shortly after and nothing more said.
Wouldn't it have been simpler to let said paperwork burn?
The suspicion was that it contained a lot of 'paperwork' that some people enjoyed.
Oh I see. Maybe I needed educating on such matters from an earlier age?
“The non-human intelligence phenomenon is real. We are not alone,” Grey said. “Retrievals of this kind are not limited to the United States. This is a global phenomenon, and yet a global solution continues to elude us.”
😎😶
And on we rumble, endless attention seeking whistle blowers with no evidence. Keep believing, Leon, keep believing.
Is Roaster Ross going to get outraged by pantomimes?
His argument seems to be pantomime dames don't push gender ideology
I don't think Drag Queen Story Hour does either. This is just Moray copying US nonsense.
'Encouraging children to develop a love of reading through imaginative story time, while promoting inclusion, diversity and acceptance...' Now nobody wants intolerance but 6 and under is rather young to be discussing Trans
We teach kinds younger than that that there are different sexes. Is that wrong too?
Well there are, that is a biological fact
And there are transgender people. That is a sociological fact.
Only through surgery and even with that and hormones treatment trans cyclists are no longer allowed to compete in female races as even with hormone suppression they still have an advantage over female cyclists https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/65718748
No, transgender people are transgender even without undergoing surgery.
Maybe if you'd been taught this stuff at a younger age you'd be a little more clued in to the facts.
So you want to teach 6 year olds they are transgender? No wonder you on the left are out of touch!
You're confusing being taught that you are something, with being taught about other people. No wonder the Tories are out of touch with humanity.
It is not appropriate for 6 year olds or even older primary school children. It should be a secondary school issue only
Bollocks.
I literally head the same arguments made about not exposing kids to gay ideology when Section 28 was a thing.
My then 4 year old only had one question about attending a same sex wedding.
'Which one of you throws the bouquet, and can you make sure my dad catches it?'
I have a 5 year old and it's not appropriate to discuss sexual intercourse at that age.
Your five year old presumably knows that there are men and women. They don't need to hear about intercourse to have an understanding of that fact. They don't need to know about penetration to understand that some couples are different genders and some couples are the same gender. They don't need to know what adults do with their genitals to know that sometimes people are born as one gender but prefer to live as another.
You don't need to deliver all the yucky truth about everything all at once.
Personally I wouldn't allow any sex education or discussion of gender identity in schools until pupils are 11 or over and have reached puberty
Wait until kids have hit puberty before discussing puberty?
Talk about waiting until the horse has bolted before closing the door.
Unless you are a paedophile kids shoudn't be engaging in or discussing sex until they have reached puberty absolutely
Kids absolutely shouldn't be engaging in sex until they are young adults.
They should however be learning about it, at appropriate levels, before their hormones go wild rather than afterwards.
NO they should not. Absolutely not. They should only start to learn about sex, only at an appropriate level, from age 11 and only in more detail from 16, the age of consent
Okay.
So, when my eldest daughter was ten, one of her schoolfriends came to visit. She was the same age.
She (the schoolfriend) was extremely inappropriate towards me, to the point where I immediately went to get my wife and asked her to stay near me for the duration of this girl's visit, so she (the schoolfriend) never got to see me alone. This successfully dissuaded her from doing it any more (other than a few comments that got our eyebrows raising).
Should her parents have spoken to her about sex and what was and was not appropriate? I thought they should; she'd obviously picked up what she had from conversations with other children and what appeared to be early hormones. Personally, I thought she was going to be very vulnerable to any adult with paedophilic tendencies.
I take it you disagree?
When I was a teenager abroad we moved to a rural home the next door neighbours were cultists. A cult called "The Family of Jesus Christ". There were two families, both part of the cult, who lived in the house next door and between the two families they had 24 children, including a newborn and they had grandchildren too. The adult children and grandchildren didn't live in the house, so the kids in the house (about 14 of the 24) included many around my age that we befriended.
The children were homeschooled and the Family including the teenage girls and young women engaged in a practice called Flirty Fishing, though it had supposedly been dropped by The Family by then.
Not long after we'd moved in we had some of the kids next door come around to our house to play and my dad asked one of the girls what she wanted to be when she was older. Her answer was to live in a house with doors.
They were not paedophiles, but things were not right either. I was a teenager at that point, about 14 so a couple of years below age of consent, but was educated enough to know that things were not right and have alarm bells going off. Which is what people need in dangerous situations, including with those who are more predatory, you never know when your children might suddenly be in contact with people who are not whom they should be. Had I not lived through that myself, I'd have thought cultists were things you saw on TV, not seemingly normal-looking people that you could suddenly live next door to.
If you wait until people are 16 before discussing things, it might by then be well too late. Especially if people with bad intentions are around, to prey on the uneducated and vulnerable.
Hmm, so an awks situation in the S household this evening. My wife is downstairs dialled into a zoom council planning meeting about a proposed development right behind our house. That’s right, literally IMBY.
It’s a pile on, the righteously indignant residents objecting to loss of light, building disruption, change of roofline in conservation area, blocked access, you name it.
I am absolutely fine with the development as we need more residential construction, and the plans look nice enough, certainly the bits that will look over our garden.
But I am staying extremely silent. When faced the NIMBY blob you have to know what’s good for you.
And there lies the problem
It is much like tax rises, ok as long as they do not affect me !!!!
Is Roaster Ross going to get outraged by pantomimes?
His argument seems to be pantomime dames don't push gender ideology
I don't think Drag Queen Story Hour does either. This is just Moray copying US nonsense.
'Encouraging children to develop a love of reading through imaginative story time, while promoting inclusion, diversity and acceptance...' Now nobody wants intolerance but 6 and under is rather young to be discussing Trans
We teach kinds younger than that that there are different sexes. Is that wrong too?
Well there are, that is a biological fact
And there are transgender people. That is a sociological fact.
Only through surgery and even with that and hormones treatment trans cyclists are no longer allowed to compete in female races as even with hormone suppression they still have an advantage over female cyclists https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/65718748
No, transgender people are transgender even without undergoing surgery.
Maybe if you'd been taught this stuff at a younger age you'd be a little more clued in to the facts.
So you want to teach 6 year olds they are transgender? No wonder you on the left are out of touch!
You're confusing being taught that you are something, with being taught about other people. No wonder the Tories are out of touch with humanity.
It is not appropriate for 6 year olds or even older primary school children. It should be a secondary school issue only
Bollocks.
I literally head the same arguments made about not exposing kids to gay ideology when Section 28 was a thing.
My then 4 year old only had one question about attending a same sex wedding.
'Which one of you throws the bouquet, and can you make sure my dad catches it?'
I have a 5 year old and it's not appropriate to discuss sexual intercourse at that age.
Your five year old presumably knows that there are men and women. They don't need to hear about intercourse to have an understanding of that fact. They don't need to know about penetration to understand that some couples are different genders and some couples are the same gender. They don't need to know what adults do with their genitals to know that sometimes people are born as one gender but prefer to live as another.
You don't need to deliver all the yucky truth about everything all at once.
Personally I wouldn't allow any sex education or discussion of gender identity in schools until pupils are 11 or over and have reached puberty
Wait until kids have hit puberty before discussing puberty?
Talk about waiting until the horse has bolted before closing the door.
Unless you are a paedophile kids shoudn't be engaging in or discussing sex until they have reached puberty absolutely
If you want to protect children from paedophiles you need to teach them well before puberty how to be alert to the sorts of behaviour which indicate someone who may want to harm them. One of those indicators may well be people seeking to sexualise a child or encourage them to behave in an inappropriately sexual way or to densitise them to adults doing so in front of a child.
On drag, there are drag acts which are harmless fun - like pantomime dames etc.., But there are some which are very sexualised and simply not appropriate for children. So it depends which ones we are talking about. Saying that all drag acts should be banned is as daft as saying that all are appropriate for children. Some are; some aren't.
I would also hope that any group - drag or no - wishing to get close to children are properly and thoroughly checked out first. I recently listened to the documentary "In Dark Corners" on iPlayer Sounds about prolific paedophile teachers in some well-known public schools and how they targeted vulnerable children and moved from school to school. It is a horrific story and we'd be naive in thinking it is not still happening. Safeguarding is simply not taken seriously enough in practice. Child abusers will do whatever it takes to get close to children in order to abuse them and behave like parasites on more respectable institutions, groups and movements in order to achieve their aims. We would do well to remember that and not dismiss such concerns as moral panics, as the IICSA final report (and earlier ones) clearly state.
An IICSA final report which is being proudly swept under a bulging carpet by the Party of @HYUFD.
At some point you will need to erect a special PB statue to me
“US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles Whistleblower former intelligence official says government posseses ‘intact and partially intact’ craft of non-human origin”
“Biden ‘knew of Ukrainian plan to attack Nord Stream’ three months before explosion Washington Post reports that European intelligence service told CIA Ukrainian military was planning attack”
Can we please get HYUFamilyvaluesD out on the stump? Lets get that Tory % down below 20%.
He certainly does not represent my views but then the little englander right of the conservative party is a big problem for the party
Many Irish Catholic nationalists would agree with me on this
The right-wing Nationalists of Aontu only got 1% of the vote and ZERO councillors in NI this year, compared to the Lefty Nationalists of SF/SDLP/IRSP/WP/PBP who got 41% and 185 councillors.
Is Roaster Ross going to get outraged by pantomimes?
His argument seems to be pantomime dames don't push gender ideology
I don't think Drag Queen Story Hour does either. This is just Moray copying US nonsense.
'Encouraging children to develop a love of reading through imaginative story time, while promoting inclusion, diversity and acceptance...' Now nobody wants intolerance but 6 and under is rather young to be discussing Trans
We teach kinds younger than that that there are different sexes. Is that wrong too?
Well there are, that is a biological fact
And there are transgender people. That is a sociological fact.
Only through surgery and even with that and hormones treatment trans cyclists are no longer allowed to compete in female races as even with hormone suppression they still have an advantage over female cyclists https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/65718748
No, transgender people are transgender even without undergoing surgery.
Maybe if you'd been taught this stuff at a younger age you'd be a little more clued in to the facts.
So you want to teach 6 year olds they are transgender? No wonder you on the left are out of touch!
You're confusing being taught that you are something, with being taught about other people. No wonder the Tories are out of touch with humanity.
It is not appropriate for 6 year olds or even older primary school children. It should be a secondary school issue only
Bollocks.
I literally head the same arguments made about not exposing kids to gay ideology when Section 28 was a thing.
My then 4 year old only had one question about attending a same sex wedding.
'Which one of you throws the bouquet, and can you make sure my dad catches it?'
I have a 5 year old and it's not appropriate to discuss sexual intercourse at that age.
Your five year old presumably knows that there are men and women. They don't need to hear about intercourse to have an understanding of that fact. They don't need to know about penetration to understand that some couples are different genders and some couples are the same gender. They don't need to know what adults do with their genitals to know that sometimes people are born as one gender but prefer to live as another.
You don't need to deliver all the yucky truth about everything all at once.
Personally I wouldn't allow any sex education or discussion of gender identity in schools until pupils are 11 or over and have reached puberty
Wait until kids have hit puberty before discussing puberty?
Talk about waiting until the horse has bolted before closing the door.
Unless you are a paedophile kids shoudn't be engaging in or discussing sex until they have reached puberty absolutely
Kids absolutely shouldn't be engaging in sex until they are young adults.
They should however be learning about it, at appropriate levels, before their hormones go wild rather than afterwards.
NO they should not. Absolutely not. They should only start to learn about sex, only at an appropriate level, from age 11 and only in more detail from 16, the age of consent
Okay.
So, when my eldest daughter was ten, one of her schoolfriends came to visit. She was the same age.
She (the schoolfriend) was extremely inappropriate towards me, to the point where I immediately went to get my wife and asked her to stay near me for the duration of this girl's visit, so she (the schoolfriend) never got to see me alone. This successfully dissuaded her from doing it any more (other than a few comments that got our eyebrows raising).
Should her parents have spoken to her about sex and what was and was not appropriate? I thought they should; she'd obviously picked up what she had from conversations with other children and what appeared to be early hormones. Personally, I thought she was going to be very vulnerable to any adult with paedophilic tendencies.
I take it you disagree?
Clearly an illustration of too much sexualisation of young people in our culture generally, when we didn't have as much sex in the media and more traditional Christian family values it was less of an issue
This particular event happened twenty years ago.
Kids have always talked between each other about sex. Discussions on that happened when I was a child in the Seventies, and this particular event happened twenty years ago.
Sexual abuse of children was more prevalent in the Seventies, Sixties, and Fifties - it was just brushed under the carpet and not discussed. Less sex in the media, more Christian family values, and more children getting abused and raped.
People just preferred to go into denial. That same tendency is visible in some today.
I remember late 70s/early 80s a house 'catching on fire' near me. The fire brigade turned up but the police wouldn't let them do anything until they'd carted out a whole load of 'paperwork'. Turned out the guy who lived there was a known kiddy-fiddler and also a friend of various councillors.
Paperwork mysteriously disappeared shortly after and nothing more said.
Wouldn't it have been simpler to let said paperwork burn?
The suspicion was that it contained a lot of 'paperwork' that some people enjoyed.
Oh I see. Maybe I needed educating on such matters from an earlier age?
“The non-human intelligence phenomenon is real. We are not alone,” Grey said. “Retrievals of this kind are not limited to the United States. This is a global phenomenon, and yet a global solution continues to elude us.”
😎😶
World Government now! Or perhaps one's already in place, given that "retrievals" are worldwide and no country has broken ranks yet.* (Joke, just in case anyone thought otherwise.)
Is Roaster Ross going to get outraged by pantomimes?
His argument seems to be pantomime dames don't push gender ideology
I don't think Drag Queen Story Hour does either. This is just Moray copying US nonsense.
'Encouraging children to develop a love of reading through imaginative story time, while promoting inclusion, diversity and acceptance...' Now nobody wants intolerance but 6 and under is rather young to be discussing Trans
We teach kinds younger than that that there are different sexes. Is that wrong too?
Well there are, that is a biological fact
And there are transgender people. That is a sociological fact.
Only through surgery and even with that and hormones treatment trans cyclists are no longer allowed to compete in female races as even with hormone suppression they still have an advantage over female cyclists https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/65718748
No, transgender people are transgender even without undergoing surgery.
Maybe if you'd been taught this stuff at a younger age you'd be a little more clued in to the facts.
So you want to teach 6 year olds they are transgender? No wonder you on the left are out of touch!
You're confusing being taught that you are something, with being taught about other people. No wonder the Tories are out of touch with humanity.
It is not appropriate for 6 year olds or even older primary school children. It should be a secondary school issue only.
Is Roaster Ross going to get outraged by pantomimes?
His argument seems to be pantomime dames don't push gender ideology
I don't think Drag Queen Story Hour does either. This is just Moray copying US nonsense.
'Encouraging children to develop a love of reading through imaginative story time, while promoting inclusion, diversity and acceptance...' Now nobody wants intolerance but 6 and under is rather young to be discussing Trans
We teach kinds younger than that that there are different sexes. Is that wrong too?
Well there are, that is a biological fact
And there are transgender people. That is a sociological fact.
Only through surgery and even with that and hormones treatment trans cyclists are no longer allowed to compete in female races as even with hormone suppression they still have an advantage over female cyclists https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/65718748
No, transgender people are transgender even without undergoing surgery.
Maybe if you'd been taught this stuff at a younger age you'd be a little more clued in to the facts.
So you want to teach 6 year olds they are transgender? No wonder you on the left are out of touch!
You're confusing being taught that you are something, with being taught about other people. No wonder the Tories are out of touch with humanity.
It is not appropriate for 6 year olds or even older primary school children. It should be a secondary school issue only
Bollocks.
I literally head the same arguments made about not exposing kids to gay ideology when Section 28 was a thing.
My then 4 year old only had one question about attending a same sex wedding.
'Which one of you throws the bouquet, and can you make sure my dad catches it?'
I have a 5 year old and it's not appropriate to discuss sexual intercourse at that age.
Your five year old presumably knows that there are men and women. They don't need to hear about intercourse to have an understanding of that fact. They don't need to know about penetration to understand that some couples are different genders and some couples are the same gender. They don't need to know what adults do with their genitals to know that sometimes people are born as one gender but prefer to live as another.
You don't need to deliver all the yucky truth about everything all at once.
Personally I wouldn't allow any sex education or discussion of gender identity in schools until pupils are 11 or over and have reached puberty
Wait until kids have hit puberty before discussing puberty?
Talk about waiting until the horse has bolted before closing the door.
Unless you are a paedophile kids shoudn't be engaging in or discussing sex until they have reached puberty absolutely
If you want to protect children from paedophiles you need to teach them well before puberty how to be alert to the sorts of behaviour which indicate someone who may want to harm them. One of those indicators may well be people seeking to sexualise a child or encourage them to behave in an inappropriately sexual way or to densitise them to adults doing so in front of a child.
On drag, there are drag acts which are harmless fun - like pantomime dames etc.., But there are some which are very sexualised and simply not appropriate for children. So it depends which ones we are talking about. Saying that all drag acts should be banned is as daft as saying that all are appropriate for children. Some are; some aren't.
I would also hope that any group - drag or no - wishing to get close to children are properly and thoroughly checked out first. I recently listened to the documentary "In Dark Corners" on iPlayer Sounds about prolific paedophile teachers in some well-known public schools and how they targeted vulnerable children and moved from school to school. It is a horrific story and we'd be naive in thinking it is not still happening. Safeguarding is simply not taken seriously enough in practice. Child abusers will do whatever it takes to get close to children in order to abuse them and behave like parasites on more respectable institutions, groups and movements in order to achieve their aims. We would do well to remember that and not dismiss such concerns as moral panics, as the IICSA final report (and earlier ones) clearly state.
OFSTED does not carry out fairly simple safeguarding checks on its inspectors, worryingly, and there have been multiple incidents where inspectors who should not have been working with children have caused harm.
I raised this with the DfE as the body responsible for monitoring them, to which they replied it was a procedural issue for OFSTED (which incidentally isn't correct). Because, ultimately, like OFSTED, they don't care about or even understand safeguarding.
If you doubt that statement, read these two stories:
At some point you will need to erect a special PB statue to me
“US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles Whistleblower former intelligence official says government posseses ‘intact and partially intact’ craft of non-human origin”
“Biden ‘knew of Ukrainian plan to attack Nord Stream’ three months before explosion Washington Post reports that European intelligence service told CIA Ukrainian military was planning attack”
At some point you will need to erect a special PB statue to me
“US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles Whistleblower former intelligence official says government posseses ‘intact and partially intact’ craft of non-human origin”
“Biden ‘knew of Ukrainian plan to attack Nord Stream’ three months before explosion Washington Post reports that European intelligence service told CIA Ukrainian military was planning attack”
Hmm, so an awks situation in the S household this evening. My wife is downstairs dialled into a zoom council planning meeting about a proposed development right behind our house. That’s right, literally IMBY.
It’s a pile on, the righteously indignant residents objecting to loss of light, building disruption, change of roofline in conservation area, blocked access, you name it.
I am absolutely fine with the development as we need more residential construction, and the plans look nice enough, certainly the bits that will look over our garden.
But I am staying extremely silent. When faced the NIMBY blob you have to know what’s good for you.
And there lies the problem
It is much like tax rises, ok as long as they do not affect me !!!!
I think / suspect there are many more people like me, privately yimbys, who want an easy life so don’t rock the boat with the neighbours because the nimbys are always louder.
At some point you will need to erect a special PB statue to me
“US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles Whistleblower former intelligence official says government posseses ‘intact and partially intact’ craft of non-human origin”
“Biden ‘knew of Ukrainian plan to attack Nord Stream’ three months before explosion Washington Post reports that European intelligence service told CIA Ukrainian military was planning attack”
“The non-human intelligence phenomenon is real. We are not alone,” Grey said. “Retrievals of this kind are not limited to the United States. This is a global phenomenon, and yet a global solution continues to elude us.”
You shouldn't teach children about road safety until they're old enough to drive
I am not not sure if @HYUFD has children and he certainly hasn't grandchildren and they both have a huge influence on how you interact with them on sex education and many other subjects
We have always answered our children and grandchildren with honest advice and not influenced by any prejeuduces
Indeed the playground will colour a lot of their attitudes and they need to be treated almost as an adult
“The non-human intelligence phenomenon is real. We are not alone,” Grey said. “Retrievals of this kind are not limited to the United States. This is a global phenomenon, and yet a global solution continues to elude us.”
😎😶
And on we rumble, endless attention seeking whistle blowers with no evidence. Keep believing, Leon, keep believing.
My point has always been that we are witnessing increasingly inexplicable behaviour from American officials - military, political, intel - which CAN only be explained if 1 you accept they are all going mad, 2 there is some incredibly massive psyops operation (who? When? Why?), or 3 they genuinely have evidence of non-human intelligence
Any of these explanations is surpassingly interesting. They all remain possible. Recent evidence points more towards explanation 3
Is Roaster Ross going to get outraged by pantomimes?
His argument seems to be pantomime dames don't push gender ideology
I don't think Drag Queen Story Hour does either. This is just Moray copying US nonsense.
'Encouraging children to develop a love of reading through imaginative story time, while promoting inclusion, diversity and acceptance...' Now nobody wants intolerance but 6 and under is rather young to be discussing Trans
We teach kinds younger than that that there are different sexes. Is that wrong too?
Well there are, that is a biological fact
And there are transgender people. That is a sociological fact.
Only through surgery and even with that and hormones treatment trans cyclists are no longer allowed to compete in female races as even with hormone suppression they still have an advantage over female cyclists https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/65718748
No, transgender people are transgender even without undergoing surgery.
Maybe if you'd been taught this stuff at a younger age you'd be a little more clued in to the facts.
So you want to teach 6 year olds they are transgender? No wonder you on the left are out of touch!
You're confusing being taught that you are something, with being taught about other people. No wonder the Tories are out of touch with humanity.
It is not appropriate for 6 year olds or even older primary school children. It should be a secondary school issue only.
Is Roaster Ross going to get outraged by pantomimes?
His argument seems to be pantomime dames don't push gender ideology
I don't think Drag Queen Story Hour does either. This is just Moray copying US nonsense.
'Encouraging children to develop a love of reading through imaginative story time, while promoting inclusion, diversity and acceptance...' Now nobody wants intolerance but 6 and under is rather young to be discussing Trans
We teach kinds younger than that that there are different sexes. Is that wrong too?
Well there are, that is a biological fact
And there are transgender people. That is a sociological fact.
Only through surgery and even with that and hormones treatment trans cyclists are no longer allowed to compete in female races as even with hormone suppression they still have an advantage over female cyclists https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/65718748
No, transgender people are transgender even without undergoing surgery.
Maybe if you'd been taught this stuff at a younger age you'd be a little more clued in to the facts.
So you want to teach 6 year olds they are transgender? No wonder you on the left are out of touch!
You're confusing being taught that you are something, with being taught about other people. No wonder the Tories are out of touch with humanity.
It is not appropriate for 6 year olds or even older primary school children. It should be a secondary school issue only
Bollocks.
I literally head the same arguments made about not exposing kids to gay ideology when Section 28 was a thing.
My then 4 year old only had one question about attending a same sex wedding.
'Which one of you throws the bouquet, and can you make sure my dad catches it?'
I have a 5 year old and it's not appropriate to discuss sexual intercourse at that age.
Your five year old presumably knows that there are men and women. They don't need to hear about intercourse to have an understanding of that fact. They don't need to know about penetration to understand that some couples are different genders and some couples are the same gender. They don't need to know what adults do with their genitals to know that sometimes people are born as one gender but prefer to live as another.
You don't need to deliver all the yucky truth about everything all at once.
Personally I wouldn't allow any sex education or discussion of gender identity in schools until pupils are 11 or over and have reached puberty
Wait until kids have hit puberty before discussing puberty?
Talk about waiting until the horse has bolted before closing the door.
Unless you are a paedophile kids shoudn't be engaging in or discussing sex until they have reached puberty absolutely
Kids absolutely shouldn't be engaging in sex until they are young adults.
They should however be learning about it, at appropriate levels, before their hormones go wild rather than afterwards.
NO they should not. Absolutely not. They should only start to learn about sex, only at an appropriate level, from age 11 and only in more detail from 16, the age of consent
Okay.
So, when my eldest daughter was ten, one of her schoolfriends came to visit. She was the same age.
She (the schoolfriend) was extremely inappropriate towards me, to the point where I immediately went to get my wife and asked her to stay near me for the duration of this girl's visit, so she (the schoolfriend) never got to see me alone. This successfully dissuaded her from doing it any more (other than a few comments that got our eyebrows raising).
Should her parents have spoken to her about sex and what was and was not appropriate? I thought they should; she'd obviously picked up what she had from conversations with other children and what appeared to be early hormones. Personally, I thought she was going to be very vulnerable to any adult with paedophilic tendencies.
I take it you disagree?
When I was a teenager abroad we moved to a rural home the next door neighbours were cultists. A cult called "The Family of Jesus Christ". There were two families, both part of the cult, who lived in the house next door and between the two families they had 24 children, including a newborn and they had grandchildren too. The adult children and grandchildren didn't live in the house, so the kids in the house (about 14 of the 24) included many around my age that we befriended.
The children were homeschooled and the Family including the teenage girls and young women engaged in a practice called Flirty Fishing, though it had supposedly been dropped by The Family by then.
Not long after we'd moved in we had some of the kids next door come around to our house to play and my dad asked one of the girls what she wanted to be when she was older. Her answer was to live in a house with doors.
They were not paedophiles, but things were not right either. I was a teenager at that point, about 14 so a couple of years below age of consent, but was educated enough to know that things were not right and have alarm bells going off. Which is what people need in dangerous situations, including with those who are more predatory, you never know when your children might suddenly be in contact with people who are not whom they should be. Had I not lived through that myself, I'd have thought cultists were things you saw on TV, not seemingly normal-looking people that you could suddenly live next door to.
If you wait until people are 16 before discussing things, it might by then be well too late. Especially if people with bad intentions are around, to prey on the uneducated and vulnerable.
The local 'big house' where I grew up was owned at the time by some odd US-spawned evangelical 'church' (100% not a cult.... 110% even). It was an exciting time for the West of Scotland with a heady mix of heroin and 'caring' pastors trying to 'help' 'rescue' 'troubled' children who would, in unrelated information, in no way be believed by social services.
At some point you will need to erect a special PB statue to me
“US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles Whistleblower former intelligence official says government posseses ‘intact and partially intact’ craft of non-human origin”
“Biden ‘knew of Ukrainian plan to attack Nord Stream’ three months before explosion Washington Post reports that European intelligence service told CIA Ukrainian military was planning attack”
I thought you said it was the Americans who attacked Nordstream.
We had a poster on here once called @SeanT who used to predict every possible outcome to something so he could say he foresaw it.
Haven't seen him in years, gather he's busy with the day job, but I miss the old git. His drunken ramblings added a certain zest to the site, especially that time he told me 'I respectfully suggest I don't give a tankard full of warm donkey spunk what you think.'
Is Roaster Ross going to get outraged by pantomimes?
His argument seems to be pantomime dames don't push gender ideology
I don't think Drag Queen Story Hour does either. This is just Moray copying US nonsense.
'Encouraging children to develop a love of reading through imaginative story time, while promoting inclusion, diversity and acceptance...' Now nobody wants intolerance but 6 and under is rather young to be discussing Trans
We teach kinds younger than that that there are different sexes. Is that wrong too?
Well there are, that is a biological fact
And there are transgender people. That is a sociological fact.
Only through surgery and even with that and hormones treatment trans cyclists are no longer allowed to compete in female races as even with hormone suppression they still have an advantage over female cyclists https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/65718748
No, transgender people are transgender even without undergoing surgery.
Maybe if you'd been taught this stuff at a younger age you'd be a little more clued in to the facts.
So you want to teach 6 year olds they are transgender? No wonder you on the left are out of touch!
You're confusing being taught that you are something, with being taught about other people. No wonder the Tories are out of touch with humanity.
It is not appropriate for 6 year olds or even older primary school children. It should be a secondary school issue only
Bollocks.
I literally head the same arguments made about not exposing kids to gay ideology when Section 28 was a thing.
My then 4 year old only had one question about attending a same sex wedding.
'Which one of you throws the bouquet, and can you make sure my dad catches it?'
I have a 5 year old and it's not appropriate to discuss sexual intercourse at that age.
Your five year old presumably knows that there are men and women. They don't need to hear about intercourse to have an understanding of that fact. They don't need to know about penetration to understand that some couples are different genders and some couples are the same gender. They don't need to know what adults do with their genitals to know that sometimes people are born as one gender but prefer to live as another.
You don't need to deliver all the yucky truth about everything all at once.
Personally I wouldn't allow any sex education or discussion of gender identity in schools until pupils are 11 or over and have reached puberty
Wait until kids have hit puberty before discussing puberty?
Talk about waiting until the horse has bolted before closing the door.
Unless you are a paedophile kids shoudn't be engaging in or discussing sex until they have reached puberty absolutely
If you want to protect children from paedophiles you need to teach them well before puberty how to be alert to the sorts of behaviour which indicate someone who may want to harm them. One of those indicators may well be people seeking to sexualise a child or encourage them to behave in an inappropriately sexual way or to densitise them to adults doing so in front of a child.
On drag, there are drag acts which are harmless fun - like pantomime dames etc.., But there are some which are very sexualised and simply not appropriate for children. So it depends which ones we are talking about. Saying that all drag acts should be banned is as daft as saying that all are appropriate for children. Some are; some aren't.
I would also hope that any group - drag or no - wishing to get close to children are properly and thoroughly checked out first. I recently listened to the documentary "In Dark Corners" on iPlayer Sounds about prolific paedophile teachers in some well-known public schools and how they targeted vulnerable children and moved from school to school. It is a horrific story and we'd be naive in thinking it is not still happening. Safeguarding is simply not taken seriously enough in practice. Child abusers will do whatever it takes to get close to children in order to abuse them and behave like parasites on more respectable institutions, groups and movements in order to achieve their aims. We would do well to remember that and not dismiss such concerns as moral panics, as the IICSA final report (and earlier ones) clearly state.
OFSTED does not carry out fairly simple safeguarding checks on its inspectors, worryingly, and there have been multiple incidents where inspectors who should not have been working with children have caused harm.
I raised this with the DfE as the body responsible for monitoring them, to which they replied it was a procedural issue for OFSTED (which incidentally isn't correct). Because, ultimately, like OFSTED, they don't care about or even understand safeguarding.
If you doubt that statement, read these two stories:
Those well-known public schools were outside the state sector and therefore not inspected by Ofsted anyway.
A boarding school is a machine for generating sexual abuse of children. People talk about stranger danger... What about sending your children to LIVE "looked after" by strangers who obviously don't love them?
“The non-human intelligence phenomenon is real. We are not alone,” Grey said. “Retrievals of this kind are not limited to the United States. This is a global phenomenon, and yet a global solution continues to elude us.”
😎😶
And on we rumble, endless attention seeking whistle blowers with no evidence. Keep believing, Leon, keep believing.
My point has always been that we are witnessing increasingly inexplicable behaviour from American officials - military, political, intel - which CAN only be explained if 1 you accept they are all going mad, 2 there is some incredibly massive psyops operation (who? When? Why?), or 3 they genuinely have evidence of non-human intelligence
Any of these explanations is surpassingly interesting. They all remain possible. Recent evidence points more towards explanation 3
It's a well known fact (recorded in lots of historical documents) that alien lifeforms having traveled billions of miles through space to reach Earth reveal themselves almost exclusively to humans living in North America...
Hmm, so an awks situation in the S household this evening. My wife is downstairs dialled into a zoom council planning meeting about a proposed development right behind our house. That’s right, literally IMBY.
It’s a pile on, the righteously indignant residents objecting to loss of light, building disruption, change of roofline in conservation area, blocked access, you name it.
I am absolutely fine with the development as we need more residential construction, and the plans look nice enough, certainly the bits that will look over our garden.
But I am staying extremely silent. When faced the NIMBY blob you have to know what’s good for you.
And there lies the problem
It is much like tax rises, ok as long as they do not affect me !!!!
I think / suspect there are many more people like me, privately yimbys, who want an easy life so don’t rock the boat with the neighbours because the nimbys are always louder.
You shouldn't teach children about road safety until they're old enough to drive
You don't teach children how to drive a car until they are old enough to drive ie 17 certainly
You do teach them basics from a young age. My kids have known since before they could even read that red means stop, green means go, yellow means be safe [that's how I explained amber to my kids] and my youngest still says that out loud while we're at the lights.
They know to look both ways before crossing the road.
You learn age appropriate stuff from being toddlers through to adults. Its a progression, not keep kids ignorant of everything until 17 and then start education.
Is Roaster Ross going to get outraged by pantomimes?
His argument seems to be pantomime dames don't push gender ideology
I don't think Drag Queen Story Hour does either. This is just Moray copying US nonsense.
'Encouraging children to develop a love of reading through imaginative story time, while promoting inclusion, diversity and acceptance...' Now nobody wants intolerance but 6 and under is rather young to be discussing Trans
We teach kinds younger than that that there are different sexes. Is that wrong too?
Well there are, that is a biological fact
And there are transgender people. That is a sociological fact.
Only through surgery and even with that and hormones treatment trans cyclists are no longer allowed to compete in female races as even with hormone suppression they still have an advantage over female cyclists https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/65718748
No, transgender people are transgender even without undergoing surgery.
Maybe if you'd been taught this stuff at a younger age you'd be a little more clued in to the facts.
So you want to teach 6 year olds they are transgender? No wonder you on the left are out of touch!
You're confusing being taught that you are something, with being taught about other people. No wonder the Tories are out of touch with humanity.
It is not appropriate for 6 year olds or even older primary school children. It should be a secondary school issue only
Bollocks.
I literally head the same arguments made about not exposing kids to gay ideology when Section 28 was a thing.
My then 4 year old only had one question about attending a same sex wedding.
'Which one of you throws the bouquet, and can you make sure my dad catches it?'
I have a 5 year old and it's not appropriate to discuss sexual intercourse at that age.
Your five year old presumably knows that there are men and women. They don't need to hear about intercourse to have an understanding of that fact. They don't need to know about penetration to understand that some couples are different genders and some couples are the same gender. They don't need to know what adults do with their genitals to know that sometimes people are born as one gender but prefer to live as another.
You don't need to deliver all the yucky truth about everything all at once.
Personally I wouldn't allow any sex education or discussion of gender identity in schools until pupils are 11 or over and have reached puberty
Wait until kids have hit puberty before discussing puberty?
Talk about waiting until the horse has bolted before closing the door.
Unless you are a paedophile kids shoudn't be engaging in or discussing sex until they have reached puberty absolutely
Kids absolutely shouldn't be engaging in sex until they are young adults.
They should however be learning about it, at appropriate levels, before their hormones go wild rather than afterwards.
NO they should not. Absolutely not. They should only start to learn about sex, only at an appropriate level, from age 11 and only in more detail from 16, the age of consent
Okay.
So, when my eldest daughter was ten, one of her schoolfriends came to visit. She was the same age.
She (the schoolfriend) was extremely inappropriate towards me, to the point where I immediately went to get my wife and asked her to stay near me for the duration of this girl's visit, so she (the schoolfriend) never got to see me alone. This successfully dissuaded her from doing it any more (other than a few comments that got our eyebrows raising).
Should her parents have spoken to her about sex and what was and was not appropriate? I thought they should; she'd obviously picked up what she had from conversations with other children and what appeared to be early hormones. Personally, I thought she was going to be very vulnerable to any adult with paedophilic tendencies.
I take it you disagree?
Clearly an illustration of too much sexualisation of young people in our culture generally, when we didn't have as much sex in the media and more traditional Christian family values it was less of an issue
This particular event happened twenty years ago.
Kids have always talked between each other about sex. Discussions on that happened when I was a child in the Seventies, and this particular event happened twenty years ago.
Sexual abuse of children was more prevalent in the Seventies, Sixties, and Fifties - it was just brushed under the carpet and not discussed. Less sex in the media, more Christian family values, and more children getting abused and raped.
People just preferred to go into denial. That same tendency is visible in some today.
Is there any evidence there was more paedophilia in the fifties? I highly doubt it, we also had lower divorce rates, higher marriage rates and a birthrate above replacement level
The Catholic Church waves "hello!"
And yes, there is ample evidence. People aged 60-79 are much more likely to report having been abused as a child than people aged 20 to 39.
Stats for that? Say what you like about the Catholic church, at least they promote traditional marriage and having children and the family
How much sexual abuse is acceptable if you promote traditional marriage?
Only ever a small minority of Catholic priests were paedophiles
Is Roaster Ross going to get outraged by pantomimes?
His argument seems to be pantomime dames don't push gender ideology
I don't think Drag Queen Story Hour does either. This is just Moray copying US nonsense.
'Encouraging children to develop a love of reading through imaginative story time, while promoting inclusion, diversity and acceptance...' Now nobody wants intolerance but 6 and under is rather young to be discussing Trans
We teach kinds younger than that that there are different sexes. Is that wrong too?
Well there are, that is a biological fact
And there are transgender people. That is a sociological fact.
Only through surgery and even with that and hormones treatment trans cyclists are no longer allowed to compete in female races as even with hormone suppression they still have an advantage over female cyclists https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/65718748
No, transgender people are transgender even without undergoing surgery.
Maybe if you'd been taught this stuff at a younger age you'd be a little more clued in to the facts.
So you want to teach 6 year olds they are transgender? No wonder you on the left are out of touch!
You're confusing being taught that you are something, with being taught about other people. No wonder the Tories are out of touch with humanity.
It is not appropriate for 6 year olds or even older primary school children. It should be a secondary school issue only
Bollocks.
I literally head the same arguments made about not exposing kids to gay ideology when Section 28 was a thing.
My then 4 year old only had one question about attending a same sex wedding.
'Which one of you throws the bouquet, and can you make sure my dad catches it?'
I have a 5 year old and it's not appropriate to discuss sexual intercourse at that age.
Your five year old presumably knows that there are men and women. They don't need to hear about intercourse to have an understanding of that fact. They don't need to know about penetration to understand that some couples are different genders and some couples are the same gender. They don't need to know what adults do with their genitals to know that sometimes people are born as one gender but prefer to live as another.
You don't need to deliver all the yucky truth about everything all at once.
Personally I wouldn't allow any sex education or discussion of gender identity in schools until pupils are 11 or over and have reached puberty
Wait until kids have hit puberty before discussing puberty?
Talk about waiting until the horse has bolted before closing the door.
Unless you are a paedophile kids shoudn't be engaging in or discussing sex until they have reached puberty absolutely
If you want to protect children from paedophiles you need to teach them well before puberty how to be alert to the sorts of behaviour which indicate someone who may want to harm them. One of those indicators may well be people seeking to sexualise a child or encourage them to behave in an inappropriately sexual way or to densitise them to adults doing so in front of a child.
On drag, there are drag acts which are harmless fun - like pantomime dames etc.., But there are some which are very sexualised and simply not appropriate for children. So it depends which ones we are talking about. Saying that all drag acts should be banned is as daft as saying that all are appropriate for children. Some are; some aren't.
I would also hope that any group - drag or no - wishing to get close to children are properly and thoroughly checked out first. I recently listened to the documentary "In Dark Corners" on iPlayer Sounds about prolific paedophile teachers in some well-known public schools and how they targeted vulnerable children and moved from school to school. It is a horrific story and we'd be naive in thinking it is not still happening. Safeguarding is simply not taken seriously enough in practice. Child abusers will do whatever it takes to get close to children in order to abuse them and behave like parasites on more respectable institutions, groups and movements in order to achieve their aims. We would do well to remember that and not dismiss such concerns as moral panics, as the IICSA final report (and earlier ones) clearly state.
OFSTED does not carry out fairly simple safeguarding checks on its inspectors, worryingly, and there have been multiple incidents where inspectors who should not have been working with children have caused harm.
I raised this with the DfE as the body responsible for monitoring them, to which they replied it was a procedural issue for OFSTED (which incidentally isn't correct). Because, ultimately, like OFSTED, they don't care about or even understand safeguarding.
If you doubt that statement, read these two stories:
Those well-known public schools were outside the state sector and therefore not inspected by Ofsted anyway.
A boarding school is a machine for generating sexual abuse of children. People talk about stranger danger... What about sending your children to LIVE "looked after" by strangers who obviously don't love them?
OFSTED does inspect some private schools, although you're right those probably wouldn't be included as routine. HMC schools are inspected by the ISI, who would - astonishingly - make Simon Case look competent.
However, they can intervene if they suspect serious shortcomings the ISI is overlooking. Ampleforth springs to mind as a recent example.
It doesn't however excuse them putting a paedophile into a classroom themselves.
“The non-human intelligence phenomenon is real. We are not alone,” Grey said. “Retrievals of this kind are not limited to the United States. This is a global phenomenon, and yet a global solution continues to elude us.”
😎😶
And on we rumble, endless attention seeking whistle blowers with no evidence. Keep believing, Leon, keep believing.
My point has always been that we are witnessing increasingly inexplicable behaviour from American officials - military, political, intel - which CAN only be explained if 1 you accept they are all going mad, 2 there is some incredibly massive psyops operation (who? When? Why?), or 3 they genuinely have evidence of non-human intelligence
Any of these explanations is surpassingly interesting. They all remain possible. Recent evidence points more towards explanation 3
Have you ever seen Jon Ronson's "Crazy Rulers of the World"? I rewatched it during the 2015/2016 US election fever-dream and found it quite therapeutic. In a way.
Is Roaster Ross going to get outraged by pantomimes?
His argument seems to be pantomime dames don't push gender ideology
I don't think Drag Queen Story Hour does either. This is just Moray copying US nonsense.
'Encouraging children to develop a love of reading through imaginative story time, while promoting inclusion, diversity and acceptance...' Now nobody wants intolerance but 6 and under is rather young to be discussing Trans
We teach kinds younger than that that there are different sexes. Is that wrong too?
Well there are, that is a biological fact
And there are transgender people. That is a sociological fact.
Only through surgery and even with that and hormones treatment trans cyclists are no longer allowed to compete in female races as even with hormone suppression they still have an advantage over female cyclists https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/65718748
No, transgender people are transgender even without undergoing surgery.
Maybe if you'd been taught this stuff at a younger age you'd be a little more clued in to the facts.
So you want to teach 6 year olds they are transgender? No wonder you on the left are out of touch!
You're confusing being taught that you are something, with being taught about other people. No wonder the Tories are out of touch with humanity.
It is not appropriate for 6 year olds or even older primary school children. It should be a secondary school issue only
Bollocks.
I literally head the same arguments made about not exposing kids to gay ideology when Section 28 was a thing.
My then 4 year old only had one question about attending a same sex wedding.
'Which one of you throws the bouquet, and can you make sure my dad catches it?'
I have a 5 year old and it's not appropriate to discuss sexual intercourse at that age.
Your five year old presumably knows that there are men and women. They don't need to hear about intercourse to have an understanding of that fact. They don't need to know about penetration to understand that some couples are different genders and some couples are the same gender. They don't need to know what adults do with their genitals to know that sometimes people are born as one gender but prefer to live as another.
You don't need to deliver all the yucky truth about everything all at once.
Personally I wouldn't allow any sex education or discussion of gender identity in schools until pupils are 11 or over and have reached puberty
Wait until kids have hit puberty before discussing puberty?
Talk about waiting until the horse has bolted before closing the door.
Unless you are a paedophile kids shoudn't be engaging in or discussing sex until they have reached puberty absolutely
Kids absolutely shouldn't be engaging in sex until they are young adults.
They should however be learning about it, at appropriate levels, before their hormones go wild rather than afterwards.
NO they should not. Absolutely not. They should only start to learn about sex, only at an appropriate level, from age 11 and only in more detail from 16, the age of consent
Okay.
So, when my eldest daughter was ten, one of her schoolfriends came to visit. She was the same age.
She (the schoolfriend) was extremely inappropriate towards me, to the point where I immediately went to get my wife and asked her to stay near me for the duration of this girl's visit, so she (the schoolfriend) never got to see me alone. This successfully dissuaded her from doing it any more (other than a few comments that got our eyebrows raising).
Should her parents have spoken to her about sex and what was and was not appropriate? I thought they should; she'd obviously picked up what she had from conversations with other children and what appeared to be early hormones. Personally, I thought she was going to be very vulnerable to any adult with paedophilic tendencies.
I take it you disagree?
Clearly an illustration of too much sexualisation of young people in our culture generally, when we didn't have as much sex in the media and more traditional Christian family values it was less of an issue
This particular event happened twenty years ago.
Kids have always talked between each other about sex. Discussions on that happened when I was a child in the Seventies, and this particular event happened twenty years ago.
Sexual abuse of children was more prevalent in the Seventies, Sixties, and Fifties - it was just brushed under the carpet and not discussed. Less sex in the media, more Christian family values, and more children getting abused and raped.
People just preferred to go into denial. That same tendency is visible in some today.
Is there any evidence there was more paedophilia in the fifties? I highly doubt it, we also had lower divorce rates, higher marriage rates and a birthrate above replacement level
The Catholic Church waves "hello!"
And yes, there is ample evidence. People aged 60-79 are much more likely to report having been abused as a child than people aged 20 to 39.
Stats for that? Say what you like about the Catholic church, at least they promote traditional marriage and having children and the family
How much sexual abuse is acceptable if you promote traditional marriage?
Only ever a small minority of Catholic priests were paedophiles
What proportion is acceptable? One in twenty? One in ten?
Is Roaster Ross going to get outraged by pantomimes?
His argument seems to be pantomime dames don't push gender ideology
I don't think Drag Queen Story Hour does either. This is just Moray copying US nonsense.
'Encouraging children to develop a love of reading through imaginative story time, while promoting inclusion, diversity and acceptance...' Now nobody wants intolerance but 6 and under is rather young to be discussing Trans
We teach kinds younger than that that there are different sexes. Is that wrong too?
Well there are, that is a biological fact
And there are transgender people. That is a sociological fact.
Only through surgery and even with that and hormones treatment trans cyclists are no longer allowed to compete in female races as even with hormone suppression they still have an advantage over female cyclists https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/65718748
No, transgender people are transgender even without undergoing surgery.
Maybe if you'd been taught this stuff at a younger age you'd be a little more clued in to the facts.
So you want to teach 6 year olds they are transgender? No wonder you on the left are out of touch!
You're confusing being taught that you are something, with being taught about other people. No wonder the Tories are out of touch with humanity.
It is not appropriate for 6 year olds or even older primary school children. It should be a secondary school issue only
Bollocks.
I literally head the same arguments made about not exposing kids to gay ideology when Section 28 was a thing.
My then 4 year old only had one question about attending a same sex wedding.
'Which one of you throws the bouquet, and can you make sure my dad catches it?'
I have a 5 year old and it's not appropriate to discuss sexual intercourse at that age.
Your five year old presumably knows that there are men and women. They don't need to hear about intercourse to have an understanding of that fact. They don't need to know about penetration to understand that some couples are different genders and some couples are the same gender. They don't need to know what adults do with their genitals to know that sometimes people are born as one gender but prefer to live as another.
You don't need to deliver all the yucky truth about everything all at once.
Personally I wouldn't allow any sex education or discussion of gender identity in schools until pupils are 11 or over and have reached puberty
Wait until kids have hit puberty before discussing puberty?
Talk about waiting until the horse has bolted before closing the door.
Unless you are a paedophile kids shoudn't be engaging in or discussing sex until they have reached puberty absolutely
Kids absolutely shouldn't be engaging in sex until they are young adults.
They should however be learning about it, at appropriate levels, before their hormones go wild rather than afterwards.
NO they should not. Absolutely not. They should only start to learn about sex, only at an appropriate level, from age 11 and only in more detail from 16, the age of consent
Okay.
So, when my eldest daughter was ten, one of her schoolfriends came to visit. She was the same age.
She (the schoolfriend) was extremely inappropriate towards me, to the point where I immediately went to get my wife and asked her to stay near me for the duration of this girl's visit, so she (the schoolfriend) never got to see me alone. This successfully dissuaded her from doing it any more (other than a few comments that got our eyebrows raising).
Should her parents have spoken to her about sex and what was and was not appropriate? I thought they should; she'd obviously picked up what she had from conversations with other children and what appeared to be early hormones. Personally, I thought she was going to be very vulnerable to any adult with paedophilic tendencies.
I take it you disagree?
Clearly an illustration of too much sexualisation of young people in our culture generally, when we didn't have as much sex in the media and more traditional Christian family values it was less of an issue
This particular event happened twenty years ago.
Kids have always talked between each other about sex. Discussions on that happened when I was a child in the Seventies, and this particular event happened twenty years ago.
Sexual abuse of children was more prevalent in the Seventies, Sixties, and Fifties - it was just brushed under the carpet and not discussed. Less sex in the media, more Christian family values, and more children getting abused and raped.
People just preferred to go into denial. That same tendency is visible in some today.
Is there any evidence there was more paedophilia in the fifties? I highly doubt it, we also had lower divorce rates, higher marriage rates and a birthrate above replacement level
The Catholic Church waves "hello!"
And yes, there is ample evidence. People aged 60-79 are much more likely to report having been abused as a child than people aged 20 to 39.
Stats for that? Say what you like about the Catholic church, at least they promote traditional marriage and having children and the family
How much sexual abuse is acceptable if you promote traditional marriage?
Traditional Family Values Wife is property Marital Rape Bloke has affairs
At some point you will need to erect a special PB statue to me
“US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles Whistleblower former intelligence official says government posseses ‘intact and partially intact’ craft of non-human origin”
“Biden ‘knew of Ukrainian plan to attack Nord Stream’ three months before explosion Washington Post reports that European intelligence service told CIA Ukrainian military was planning attack”
Is Roaster Ross going to get outraged by pantomimes?
His argument seems to be pantomime dames don't push gender ideology
I don't think Drag Queen Story Hour does either. This is just Moray copying US nonsense.
'Encouraging children to develop a love of reading through imaginative story time, while promoting inclusion, diversity and acceptance...' Now nobody wants intolerance but 6 and under is rather young to be discussing Trans
We teach kinds younger than that that there are different sexes. Is that wrong too?
Well there are, that is a biological fact
And there are transgender people. That is a sociological fact.
Only through surgery and even with that and hormones treatment trans cyclists are no longer allowed to compete in female races as even with hormone suppression they still have an advantage over female cyclists https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/65718748
No, transgender people are transgender even without undergoing surgery.
Maybe if you'd been taught this stuff at a younger age you'd be a little more clued in to the facts.
So you want to teach 6 year olds they are transgender? No wonder you on the left are out of touch!
You're confusing being taught that you are something, with being taught about other people. No wonder the Tories are out of touch with humanity.
It is not appropriate for 6 year olds or even older primary school children. It should be a secondary school issue only
Bollocks.
I literally head the same arguments made about not exposing kids to gay ideology when Section 28 was a thing.
My then 4 year old only had one question about attending a same sex wedding.
'Which one of you throws the bouquet, and can you make sure my dad catches it?'
I have a 5 year old and it's not appropriate to discuss sexual intercourse at that age.
Your five year old presumably knows that there are men and women. They don't need to hear about intercourse to have an understanding of that fact. They don't need to know about penetration to understand that some couples are different genders and some couples are the same gender. They don't need to know what adults do with their genitals to know that sometimes people are born as one gender but prefer to live as another.
You don't need to deliver all the yucky truth about everything all at once.
Personally I wouldn't allow any sex education or discussion of gender identity in schools until pupils are 11 or over and have reached puberty
Wait until kids have hit puberty before discussing puberty?
Talk about waiting until the horse has bolted before closing the door.
Unless you are a paedophile kids shoudn't be engaging in or discussing sex until they have reached puberty absolutely
Kids absolutely shouldn't be engaging in sex until they are young adults.
They should however be learning about it, at appropriate levels, before their hormones go wild rather than afterwards.
NO they should not. Absolutely not. They should only start to learn about sex, only at an appropriate level, from age 11 and only in more detail from 16, the age of consent
Wow, just wow. Wait until they're past the age of consent before learning about it properly?
Colorado representative Lauren Boebert, 36, announced she’s going to be a grandmother next month.
The Republican firebrand made the declaration earlier this week at a Moms for America event, from which video started making the rounds Thursday.
“Not only am I mom of four boys, but come April, I will be a GG to a brand new grandson,” she beamed.
Newsweek reports that the child’s father is Boebert’s 17-year-old son, Tyler.
Boebert’s announcement comes just days after she called for the elimination of “comprehensive sex ed” in public schools, according to Raw Story.
The son was 17 when he became a father, 100 years ago that wouldn't have been uncommon when we had more traditional family values and over the age of consent in his state
Would you mind answering the question? Is this the world you want now, today, not 100 years ago? Yes or no?
Plenty of things were better in the 1920s
I'm pretty conservative in my tastes. Yet I can't think of a single thing that was better in the 1920s. Train services, perhaps.
Before Leon gets there, architecture. Council housing built in the 1930s are brilliant. Your 1910s Coronation St terraces last for decades, centuries even.
Is Roaster Ross going to get outraged by pantomimes?
His argument seems to be pantomime dames don't push gender ideology
I don't think Drag Queen Story Hour does either. This is just Moray copying US nonsense.
'Encouraging children to develop a love of reading through imaginative story time, while promoting inclusion, diversity and acceptance...' Now nobody wants intolerance but 6 and under is rather young to be discussing Trans
We teach kinds younger than that that there are different sexes. Is that wrong too?
Well there are, that is a biological fact
And there are transgender people. That is a sociological fact.
Only through surgery and even with that and hormones treatment trans cyclists are no longer allowed to compete in female races as even with hormone suppression they still have an advantage over female cyclists https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/65718748
No, transgender people are transgender even without undergoing surgery.
Maybe if you'd been taught this stuff at a younger age you'd be a little more clued in to the facts.
So you want to teach 6 year olds they are transgender? No wonder you on the left are out of touch!
You're confusing being taught that you are something, with being taught about other people. No wonder the Tories are out of touch with humanity.
It is not appropriate for 6 year olds or even older primary school children. It should be a secondary school issue only
Bollocks.
I literally head the same arguments made about not exposing kids to gay ideology when Section 28 was a thing.
My then 4 year old only had one question about attending a same sex wedding.
'Which one of you throws the bouquet, and can you make sure my dad catches it?'
I have a 5 year old and it's not appropriate to discuss sexual intercourse at that age.
Your five year old presumably knows that there are men and women. They don't need to hear about intercourse to have an understanding of that fact. They don't need to know about penetration to understand that some couples are different genders and some couples are the same gender. They don't need to know what adults do with their genitals to know that sometimes people are born as one gender but prefer to live as another.
You don't need to deliver all the yucky truth about everything all at once.
Personally I wouldn't allow any sex education or discussion of gender identity in schools until pupils are 11 or over and have reached puberty
Wait until kids have hit puberty before discussing puberty?
Talk about waiting until the horse has bolted before closing the door.
Unless you are a paedophile kids shoudn't be engaging in or discussing sex until they have reached puberty absolutely
Kids absolutely shouldn't be engaging in sex until they are young adults.
They should however be learning about it, at appropriate levels, before their hormones go wild rather than afterwards.
NO they should not. Absolutely not. They should only start to learn about sex, only at an appropriate level, from age 11 and only in more detail from 16, the age of consent
Wow, just wow. Wait until they're past the age of consent before learning about it properly?
Colorado representative Lauren Boebert, 36, announced she’s going to be a grandmother next month.
The Republican firebrand made the declaration earlier this week at a Moms for America event, from which video started making the rounds Thursday.
“Not only am I mom of four boys, but come April, I will be a GG to a brand new grandson,” she beamed.
Newsweek reports that the child’s father is Boebert’s 17-year-old son, Tyler.
Boebert’s announcement comes just days after she called for the elimination of “comprehensive sex ed” in public schools, according to Raw Story.
The son was 17 when he became a father, 100 years ago that wouldn't have been uncommon when we had more traditional family values and over the age of consent in his state
Would you mind answering the question? Is this the world you want now, today, not 100 years ago? Yes or no?
Plenty of things were better in the 1920s
I'm pretty conservative in my tastes. Yet I can't think of a single thing that was better in the 1920s. Train services, perhaps.
Is Roaster Ross going to get outraged by pantomimes?
His argument seems to be pantomime dames don't push gender ideology
I don't think Drag Queen Story Hour does either. This is just Moray copying US nonsense.
'Encouraging children to develop a love of reading through imaginative story time, while promoting inclusion, diversity and acceptance...' Now nobody wants intolerance but 6 and under is rather young to be discussing Trans
We teach kinds younger than that that there are different sexes. Is that wrong too?
Well there are, that is a biological fact
And there are transgender people. That is a sociological fact.
Only through surgery and even with that and hormones treatment trans cyclists are no longer allowed to compete in female races as even with hormone suppression they still have an advantage over female cyclists https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/65718748
No, transgender people are transgender even without undergoing surgery.
Maybe if you'd been taught this stuff at a younger age you'd be a little more clued in to the facts.
So you want to teach 6 year olds they are transgender? No wonder you on the left are out of touch!
You're confusing being taught that you are something, with being taught about other people. No wonder the Tories are out of touch with humanity.
It is not appropriate for 6 year olds or even older primary school children. It should be a secondary school issue only
Bollocks.
I literally head the same arguments made about not exposing kids to gay ideology when Section 28 was a thing.
My then 4 year old only had one question about attending a same sex wedding.
'Which one of you throws the bouquet, and can you make sure my dad catches it?'
I have a 5 year old and it's not appropriate to discuss sexual intercourse at that age.
Your five year old presumably knows that there are men and women. They don't need to hear about intercourse to have an understanding of that fact. They don't need to know about penetration to understand that some couples are different genders and some couples are the same gender. They don't need to know what adults do with their genitals to know that sometimes people are born as one gender but prefer to live as another.
You don't need to deliver all the yucky truth about everything all at once.
Personally I wouldn't allow any sex education or discussion of gender identity in schools until pupils are 11 or over and have reached puberty
Wait until kids have hit puberty before discussing puberty?
Talk about waiting until the horse has bolted before closing the door.
Unless you are a paedophile kids shoudn't be engaging in or discussing sex until they have reached puberty absolutely
Kids absolutely shouldn't be engaging in sex until they are young adults.
They should however be learning about it, at appropriate levels, before their hormones go wild rather than afterwards.
NO they should not. Absolutely not. They should only start to learn about sex, only at an appropriate level, from age 11 and only in more detail from 16, the age of consent
Okay.
So, when my eldest daughter was ten, one of her schoolfriends came to visit. She was the same age.
She (the schoolfriend) was extremely inappropriate towards me, to the point where I immediately went to get my wife and asked her to stay near me for the duration of this girl's visit, so she (the schoolfriend) never got to see me alone. This successfully dissuaded her from doing it any more (other than a few comments that got our eyebrows raising).
Should her parents have spoken to her about sex and what was and was not appropriate? I thought they should; she'd obviously picked up what she had from conversations with other children and what appeared to be early hormones. Personally, I thought she was going to be very vulnerable to any adult with paedophilic tendencies.
I take it you disagree?
Clearly an illustration of too much sexualisation of young people in our culture generally, when we didn't have as much sex in the media and more traditional Christian family values it was less of an issue
This particular event happened twenty years ago.
Kids have always talked between each other about sex. Discussions on that happened when I was a child in the Seventies, and this particular event happened twenty years ago.
Sexual abuse of children was more prevalent in the Seventies, Sixties, and Fifties - it was just brushed under the carpet and not discussed. Less sex in the media, more Christian family values, and more children getting abused and raped.
People just preferred to go into denial. That same tendency is visible in some today.
Is there any evidence there was more paedophilia in the fifties? I highly doubt it, we also had lower divorce rates, higher marriage rates and a birthrate above replacement level
The Catholic Church waves "hello!"
And yes, there is ample evidence. People aged 60-79 are much more likely to report having been abused as a child than people aged 20 to 39.
Stats for that? Say what you like about the Catholic church, at least they promote traditional marriage and having children and the family
How much sexual abuse is acceptable if you promote traditional marriage?
Only ever a small minority of Catholic priests were paedophiles
You owe me a new keyboard. I've just laugh/spat a glass of wine over this one.
It's a really, really bad idea for kids to get their first sex education from YouPorn.
Because that is what's going to happen if we follow @HYUFD's suggestions.
(Also: has anyone else seen Euphoria. Man that's disturbing.)
I suggested sex education from 11 not never. Children shouldn't be watching YouPorn before 11 either and ideally not before 16 and only irresponsible parents would allow their children to watch pornography so young
You shouldn't teach children about road safety until they're old enough to drive
You don't teach children how to drive a car until they are old enough to drive ie 17 certainly
Utter nonsense
My father had me driving his car on a disused airfield when I was 13 and he taught me well as I actually passed my test on my 17th birthday, celebrating it by a high speed run from Berwick to the Scottish border (90 mph +)
Is Roaster Ross going to get outraged by pantomimes?
His argument seems to be pantomime dames don't push gender ideology
I don't think Drag Queen Story Hour does either. This is just Moray copying US nonsense.
'Encouraging children to develop a love of reading through imaginative story time, while promoting inclusion, diversity and acceptance...' Now nobody wants intolerance but 6 and under is rather young to be discussing Trans
We teach kinds younger than that that there are different sexes. Is that wrong too?
Well there are, that is a biological fact
And there are transgender people. That is a sociological fact.
Only through surgery and even with that and hormones treatment trans cyclists are no longer allowed to compete in female races as even with hormone suppression they still have an advantage over female cyclists https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/65718748
No, transgender people are transgender even without undergoing surgery.
Maybe if you'd been taught this stuff at a younger age you'd be a little more clued in to the facts.
So you want to teach 6 year olds they are transgender? No wonder you on the left are out of touch!
You're confusing being taught that you are something, with being taught about other people. No wonder the Tories are out of touch with humanity.
It is not appropriate for 6 year olds or even older primary school children. It should be a secondary school issue only
Bollocks.
I literally head the same arguments made about not exposing kids to gay ideology when Section 28 was a thing.
My then 4 year old only had one question about attending a same sex wedding.
'Which one of you throws the bouquet, and can you make sure my dad catches it?'
I have a 5 year old and it's not appropriate to discuss sexual intercourse at that age.
Your five year old presumably knows that there are men and women. They don't need to hear about intercourse to have an understanding of that fact. They don't need to know about penetration to understand that some couples are different genders and some couples are the same gender. They don't need to know what adults do with their genitals to know that sometimes people are born as one gender but prefer to live as another.
You don't need to deliver all the yucky truth about everything all at once.
Personally I wouldn't allow any sex education or discussion of gender identity in schools until pupils are 11 or over and have reached puberty
Wait until kids have hit puberty before discussing puberty?
Talk about waiting until the horse has bolted before closing the door.
Unless you are a paedophile kids shoudn't be engaging in or discussing sex until they have reached puberty absolutely
Kids absolutely shouldn't be engaging in sex until they are young adults.
They should however be learning about it, at appropriate levels, before their hormones go wild rather than afterwards.
NO they should not. Absolutely not. They should only start to learn about sex, only at an appropriate level, from age 11 and only in more detail from 16, the age of consent
Okay.
So, when my eldest daughter was ten, one of her schoolfriends came to visit. She was the same age.
She (the schoolfriend) was extremely inappropriate towards me, to the point where I immediately went to get my wife and asked her to stay near me for the duration of this girl's visit, so she (the schoolfriend) never got to see me alone. This successfully dissuaded her from doing it any more (other than a few comments that got our eyebrows raising).
Should her parents have spoken to her about sex and what was and was not appropriate? I thought they should; she'd obviously picked up what she had from conversations with other children and what appeared to be early hormones. Personally, I thought she was going to be very vulnerable to any adult with paedophilic tendencies.
I take it you disagree?
Clearly an illustration of too much sexualisation of young people in our culture generally, when we didn't have as much sex in the media and more traditional Christian family values it was less of an issue
This particular event happened twenty years ago.
Kids have always talked between each other about sex. Discussions on that happened when I was a child in the Seventies, and this particular event happened twenty years ago.
Sexual abuse of children was more prevalent in the Seventies, Sixties, and Fifties - it was just brushed under the carpet and not discussed. Less sex in the media, more Christian family values, and more children getting abused and raped.
People just preferred to go into denial. That same tendency is visible in some today.
Is there any evidence there was more paedophilia in the fifties? I highly doubt it, we also had lower divorce rates, higher marriage rates and a birthrate above replacement level
The Catholic Church waves "hello!"
And yes, there is ample evidence. People aged 60-79 are much more likely to report having been abused as a child than people aged 20 to 39.
Stats for that? Say what you like about the Catholic church, at least they promote traditional marriage and having children and the family
How much sexual abuse is acceptable if you promote traditional marriage?
Only ever a small minority of Catholic priests were paedophiles
And those that were only for a small minority of the day.
Reading through the thread of the last couple of hours with HYUFD defending what he perceives to be 'family values' it is difficult to know where to interject. So easier just to make a fresh comment and say my piece without making it an answer to somebodies comment.
With my kids we always encouraged them from the very earliest age to ask questions about their bodies and feelings. We normalised this so that they did not feel upset or ashamed of anything that happened. By the time my daughter was 9 she was making it clear that she liked girls a lot more than boys. We played it light, didn't try to change her views and just let things take their course. As she grew up she confirmed in her own mind that she was gay and we treated it as completely normal - as of course it was/is. She has been in a steady relationship since she was 14 and is still with the same partner at the age of 22. She is extremely happy, has a life ahead of her with someone she loves (hopefully as of course we all know the old saying about how to make the gods laugh).
I think this is a complete vindication of the way we (and many others including her friends and other family) handled things. The trick is not to let artifical 'mores' (I use that word in place of the more normal 'morals') get in the way of doing the right thing.
So HYUFD is, in my eyes at least, completely wrong. Having an open and intelligent conversation with your kids about sex and relationships is not something that should wait until they reach puberty, by which time they are immersed in a soup of hormones and conflicting feelings. Let them go in with their eyes open and understanding what happens and they will find it much eaier to navigate what is, IMHO, probably the most difficult time in any of our lives. If parents are not willing or able to do this then other responsible adults need to take up the challenge and do it. Hence the need for age appropriate sex education in schools.
Is Roaster Ross going to get outraged by pantomimes?
His argument seems to be pantomime dames don't push gender ideology
I don't think Drag Queen Story Hour does either. This is just Moray copying US nonsense.
'Encouraging children to develop a love of reading through imaginative story time, while promoting inclusion, diversity and acceptance...' Now nobody wants intolerance but 6 and under is rather young to be discussing Trans
We teach kinds younger than that that there are different sexes. Is that wrong too?
Well there are, that is a biological fact
And there are transgender people. That is a sociological fact.
Only through surgery and even with that and hormones treatment trans cyclists are no longer allowed to compete in female races as even with hormone suppression they still have an advantage over female cyclists https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/65718748
No, transgender people are transgender even without undergoing surgery.
Maybe if you'd been taught this stuff at a younger age you'd be a little more clued in to the facts.
So you want to teach 6 year olds they are transgender? No wonder you on the left are out of touch!
You're confusing being taught that you are something, with being taught about other people. No wonder the Tories are out of touch with humanity.
It is not appropriate for 6 year olds or even older primary school children. It should be a secondary school issue only
Bollocks.
I literally head the same arguments made about not exposing kids to gay ideology when Section 28 was a thing.
My then 4 year old only had one question about attending a same sex wedding.
'Which one of you throws the bouquet, and can you make sure my dad catches it?'
I have a 5 year old and it's not appropriate to discuss sexual intercourse at that age.
Your five year old presumably knows that there are men and women. They don't need to hear about intercourse to have an understanding of that fact. They don't need to know about penetration to understand that some couples are different genders and some couples are the same gender. They don't need to know what adults do with their genitals to know that sometimes people are born as one gender but prefer to live as another.
You don't need to deliver all the yucky truth about everything all at once.
Personally I wouldn't allow any sex education or discussion of gender identity in schools until pupils are 11 or over and have reached puberty
Wait until kids have hit puberty before discussing puberty?
Talk about waiting until the horse has bolted before closing the door.
Unless you are a paedophile kids shoudn't be engaging in or discussing sex until they have reached puberty absolutely
Kids absolutely shouldn't be engaging in sex until they are young adults.
They should however be learning about it, at appropriate levels, before their hormones go wild rather than afterwards.
NO they should not. Absolutely not. They should only start to learn about sex, only at an appropriate level, from age 11 and only in more detail from 16, the age of consent
Okay.
So, when my eldest daughter was ten, one of her schoolfriends came to visit. She was the same age.
She (the schoolfriend) was extremely inappropriate towards me, to the point where I immediately went to get my wife and asked her to stay near me for the duration of this girl's visit, so she (the schoolfriend) never got to see me alone. This successfully dissuaded her from doing it any more (other than a few comments that got our eyebrows raising).
Should her parents have spoken to her about sex and what was and was not appropriate? I thought they should; she'd obviously picked up what she had from conversations with other children and what appeared to be early hormones. Personally, I thought she was going to be very vulnerable to any adult with paedophilic tendencies.
I take it you disagree?
Clearly an illustration of too much sexualisation of young people in our culture generally, when we didn't have as much sex in the media and more traditional Christian family values it was less of an issue
This particular event happened twenty years ago.
Kids have always talked between each other about sex. Discussions on that happened when I was a child in the Seventies, and this particular event happened twenty years ago.
Sexual abuse of children was more prevalent in the Seventies, Sixties, and Fifties - it was just brushed under the carpet and not discussed. Less sex in the media, more Christian family values, and more children getting abused and raped.
People just preferred to go into denial. That same tendency is visible in some today.
Is there any evidence there was more paedophilia in the fifties? I highly doubt it, we also had lower divorce rates, higher marriage rates and a birthrate above replacement level
The Catholic Church waves "hello!"
And yes, there is ample evidence. People aged 60-79 are much more likely to report having been abused as a child than people aged 20 to 39.
Stats for that? Say what you like about the Catholic church, at least they promote traditional marriage and having children and the family
How much sexual abuse is acceptable if you promote traditional marriage?
Only ever a small minority of Catholic priests were paedophiles
And yet the institution protected them and many priests who must have known did nothing.
Is Roaster Ross going to get outraged by pantomimes?
His argument seems to be pantomime dames don't push gender ideology
I don't think Drag Queen Story Hour does either. This is just Moray copying US nonsense.
'Encouraging children to develop a love of reading through imaginative story time, while promoting inclusion, diversity and acceptance...' Now nobody wants intolerance but 6 and under is rather young to be discussing Trans
We teach kinds younger than that that there are different sexes. Is that wrong too?
Well there are, that is a biological fact
And there are transgender people. That is a sociological fact.
Only through surgery and even with that and hormones treatment trans cyclists are no longer allowed to compete in female races as even with hormone suppression they still have an advantage over female cyclists https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/65718748
No, transgender people are transgender even without undergoing surgery.
Maybe if you'd been taught this stuff at a younger age you'd be a little more clued in to the facts.
So you want to teach 6 year olds they are transgender? No wonder you on the left are out of touch!
You're confusing being taught that you are something, with being taught about other people. No wonder the Tories are out of touch with humanity.
It is not appropriate for 6 year olds or even older primary school children. It should be a secondary school issue only
Bollocks.
I literally head the same arguments made about not exposing kids to gay ideology when Section 28 was a thing.
My then 4 year old only had one question about attending a same sex wedding.
'Which one of you throws the bouquet, and can you make sure my dad catches it?'
I have a 5 year old and it's not appropriate to discuss sexual intercourse at that age.
Your five year old presumably knows that there are men and women. They don't need to hear about intercourse to have an understanding of that fact. They don't need to know about penetration to understand that some couples are different genders and some couples are the same gender. They don't need to know what adults do with their genitals to know that sometimes people are born as one gender but prefer to live as another.
You don't need to deliver all the yucky truth about everything all at once.
Personally I wouldn't allow any sex education or discussion of gender identity in schools until pupils are 11 or over and have reached puberty
Wait until kids have hit puberty before discussing puberty?
Talk about waiting until the horse has bolted before closing the door.
Unless you are a paedophile kids shoudn't be engaging in or discussing sex until they have reached puberty absolutely
Kids absolutely shouldn't be engaging in sex until they are young adults.
They should however be learning about it, at appropriate levels, before their hormones go wild rather than afterwards.
NO they should not. Absolutely not. They should only start to learn about sex, only at an appropriate level, from age 11 and only in more detail from 16, the age of consent
Wow, just wow. Wait until they're past the age of consent before learning about it properly?
Colorado representative Lauren Boebert, 36, announced she’s going to be a grandmother next month.
The Republican firebrand made the declaration earlier this week at a Moms for America event, from which video started making the rounds Thursday.
“Not only am I mom of four boys, but come April, I will be a GG to a brand new grandson,” she beamed.
Newsweek reports that the child’s father is Boebert’s 17-year-old son, Tyler.
Boebert’s announcement comes just days after she called for the elimination of “comprehensive sex ed” in public schools, according to Raw Story.
The son was 17 when he became a father, 100 years ago that wouldn't have been uncommon when we had more traditional family values and over the age of consent in his state
Would you mind answering the question? Is this the world you want now, today, not 100 years ago? Yes or no?
Plenty of things were better in the 1920s
I'm pretty conservative in my tastes. Yet I can't think of a single thing that was better in the 1920s. Train services, perhaps.
It's a really, really bad idea for kids to get their first sex education from YouPorn.
Because that is what's going to happen if we follow @HYUFD's suggestions.
(Also: has anyone else seen Euphoria. Man that's disturbing.)
I suggested sex education from 11 not never. Children shouldn't be watching YouPorn before 11 either and ideally not before 16 and only irresponsible parents would allow their children to watch pornography so young
Because kids always asked their parents for permission to view porn, even before the advent of the internet.
Jesus H Christ you can not be serious. This has to be a wind up.
“The non-human intelligence phenomenon is real. We are not alone,” Grey said. “Retrievals of this kind are not limited to the United States. This is a global phenomenon, and yet a global solution continues to elude us.”
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And on we rumble, endless attention seeking whistle blowers with no evidence. Keep believing, Leon, keep believing.
My point has always been that we are witnessing increasingly inexplicable behaviour from American officials - military, political, intel - which CAN only be explained if 1 you accept they are all going mad, 2 there is some incredibly massive psyops operation (who? When? Why?), or 3 they genuinely have evidence of non-human intelligence
Any of these explanations is surpassingly interesting. They all remain possible. Recent evidence points more towards explanation 3
It's a well known fact (recorded in lots of historical documents) that alien lifeforms having traveled billions of miles through space to reach Earth reveal themselves almost exclusively to humans living in North America...
Recent articles make it clear this is now acknowledged as a worldwide phenomenon - IF it is real
At some point you will need to erect a special PB statue to me
“US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles Whistleblower former intelligence official says government posseses ‘intact and partially intact’ craft of non-human origin”
“Biden ‘knew of Ukrainian plan to attack Nord Stream’ three months before explosion Washington Post reports that European intelligence service told CIA Ukrainian military was planning attack”
Is Roaster Ross going to get outraged by pantomimes?
His argument seems to be pantomime dames don't push gender ideology
I don't think Drag Queen Story Hour does either. This is just Moray copying US nonsense.
'Encouraging children to develop a love of reading through imaginative story time, while promoting inclusion, diversity and acceptance...' Now nobody wants intolerance but 6 and under is rather young to be discussing Trans
We teach kinds younger than that that there are different sexes. Is that wrong too?
Well there are, that is a biological fact
And there are transgender people. That is a sociological fact.
Only through surgery and even with that and hormones treatment trans cyclists are no longer allowed to compete in female races as even with hormone suppression they still have an advantage over female cyclists https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/65718748
No, transgender people are transgender even without undergoing surgery.
Maybe if you'd been taught this stuff at a younger age you'd be a little more clued in to the facts.
So you want to teach 6 year olds they are transgender? No wonder you on the left are out of touch!
You're confusing being taught that you are something, with being taught about other people. No wonder the Tories are out of touch with humanity.
It is not appropriate for 6 year olds or even older primary school children. It should be a secondary school issue only
Bollocks.
I literally head the same arguments made about not exposing kids to gay ideology when Section 28 was a thing.
My then 4 year old only had one question about attending a same sex wedding.
'Which one of you throws the bouquet, and can you make sure my dad catches it?'
I have a 5 year old and it's not appropriate to discuss sexual intercourse at that age.
Your five year old presumably knows that there are men and women. They don't need to hear about intercourse to have an understanding of that fact. They don't need to know about penetration to understand that some couples are different genders and some couples are the same gender. They don't need to know what adults do with their genitals to know that sometimes people are born as one gender but prefer to live as another.
You don't need to deliver all the yucky truth about everything all at once.
Personally I wouldn't allow any sex education or discussion of gender identity in schools until pupils are 11 or over and have reached puberty
Wait until kids have hit puberty before discussing puberty?
Talk about waiting until the horse has bolted before closing the door.
Unless you are a paedophile kids shoudn't be engaging in or discussing sex until they have reached puberty absolutely
If you want to protect children from paedophiles you need to teach them well before puberty how to be alert to the sorts of behaviour which indicate someone who may want to harm them. One of those indicators may well be people seeking to sexualise a child or encourage them to behave in an inappropriately sexual way or to densitise them to adults doing so in front of a child.
On drag, there are drag acts which are harmless fun - like pantomime dames etc.., But there are some which are very sexualised and simply not appropriate for children. So it depends which ones we are talking about. Saying that all drag acts should be banned is as daft as saying that all are appropriate for children. Some are; some aren't.
I would also hope that any group - drag or no - wishing to get close to children are properly and thoroughly checked out first. I recently listened to the documentary "In Dark Corners" on iPlayer Sounds about prolific paedophile teachers in some well-known public schools and how they targeted vulnerable children and moved from school to school. It is a horrific story and we'd be naive in thinking it is not still happening. Safeguarding is simply not taken seriously enough in practice. Child abusers will do whatever it takes to get close to children in order to abuse them and behave like parasites on more respectable institutions, groups and movements in order to achieve their aims. We would do well to remember that and not dismiss such concerns as moral panics, as the IICSA final report (and earlier ones) clearly state.
OFSTED does not carry out fairly simple safeguarding checks on its inspectors, worryingly, and there have been multiple incidents where inspectors who should not have been working with children have caused harm.
I raised this with the DfE as the body responsible for monitoring them, to which they replied it was a procedural issue for OFSTED (which incidentally isn't correct). Because, ultimately, like OFSTED, they don't care about or even understand safeguarding.
If you doubt that statement, read these two stories:
Those well-known public schools were outside the state sector and therefore not inspected by Ofsted anyway.
A boarding school is a machine for generating sexual abuse of children. People talk about stranger danger... What about sending your children to LIVE "looked after" by strangers who obviously don't love them?
OFSTED does inspect some private schools, although you're right those probably wouldn't be included as routine. HMC schools are inspected by the ISI, who would - astonishingly - make Simon Case look competent.
However, they can intervene if they suspect serious shortcomings the ISI is overlooking. Ampleforth springs to mind as a recent example.
It doesn't however excuse them putting a paedophile into a classroom themselves.
At some point you will need to erect a special PB statue to me
“US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles Whistleblower former intelligence official says government posseses ‘intact and partially intact’ craft of non-human origin”
“Biden ‘knew of Ukrainian plan to attack Nord Stream’ three months before explosion Washington Post reports that European intelligence service told CIA Ukrainian military was planning attack”
This review found strong evidence for the effectiveness of child sex abuse prevention efforts in elementary school. Such programs typically use behavioral practice and role-play [80] and encourage parental involvement [81,82]. They teach about body ownership and children's right to control their bodies [82] and about communication and self-protection [81,82]. A strong meta-analysis of 27 preschool through Grade 5 programs [80] and a systematic review of 24 K-5 programs [83] demonstrate significant effects on a wide range of outcomes, including behaviors in simulated at-risk situations. Another large systematic review concluded that, in general, parental involvement, opportunities for practice, repeated exposure, and sensitivity to developmental level were key characteristics of effective child sex abuse programs [81].
Improved knowledge, attitudes, skills and social–emotional outcomes related to personal safety and touch A systematic review of 22 North American and UK curricula for K-6 children found significant increases in knowledge across programs, improved self-protective skills, particularly among older elementary students, and emotional gains in self-esteem, self-efficacy, and feelings of safety, in approximately one third of the programs. Gains in knowledge and some social–emotional outcomes remained at 3- to 5-month follow-up [84]. In a rigorous cluster randomized study of six New York City elementary schools, Safe Touches for second and third graders showed significant improvement in knowledge of safe touch [85]. Notably, intervention–control group differences were larger when “stranger danger” items were removed, suggesting that this curriculum was able to address inappropriate touch in a more nuanced way. Stay Safe primary prevention, for 7- and 10-year-olds in Ireland, demonstrated gains in knowledge, skills, and self-esteem, maintained at 3-month follow-up. Notably, gains were greatest for the younger students [82].
Child abuse prevention programs for second to fourth graders demonstrated significant increases in knowledge of appropriate and inappropriate touch, what to do in an inappropriate situation [86], and increased knowledge and skill to identify unsafe situations [87]. A strong randomized study in 21 urban U.S. schools found gains were maintained at 1 year, with no increase in anxiety, concluding that it is safe to discuss sensitive subjects with young children, and demonstrating the value of early education [87]. A kindergarten program showed significant improvement in knowledge of unsafe secrets and distinguishing between tattling and reporting [88], and another program conducted with 123 Latinx preschoolers demonstrated increased knowledge and skills at post-test and 3-month follow-up [89].
Don't talk to strangers worked fine, we don't need leftwing academic studies pushing sex education and gender identity lessons in primary schools. Full stop
DTS didn't work.
"Talk" and "strangers" don't match the facts, in various ways. Uncle X don't want to talk when he wants playtime.
Yes it does work and always has, just it doesn't suit the ideology of you and your fellow leftwingers who want to sexualise young childrens' education.
Trying to use a paedophile argument is pathetic, the number of paedophile encounters is less than 1% for per 100 children and that is for social services and the police to sort out instead of yet another attempt by the left to undermine the traditional family.
The whole idea of DTS was to avoid paedophiles ... and plainly it is not working, given the scholarly evidence presented on this thread.
There is no 'scholarly evidence' apart from some research by 2 'professors of public health' at some minor American college and none of that at all justifies sexualisation of under 11s in education. Ross is just leading the anti Woke fightback the likes of Meloni and DeSantis and Badenoch are also leading on as the conservative right finally takes up the fight against the ultra Woke left who have been unchallenged for too long!
At some point you will need to erect a special PB statue to me
“US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles Whistleblower former intelligence official says government posseses ‘intact and partially intact’ craft of non-human origin”
“Biden ‘knew of Ukrainian plan to attack Nord Stream’ three months before explosion Washington Post reports that European intelligence service told CIA Ukrainian military was planning attack”
It's a really, really bad idea for kids to get their first sex education from YouPorn.
Because that is what's going to happen if we follow @HYUFD's suggestions.
(Also: has anyone else seen Euphoria. Man that's disturbing.)
I suggested sex education from 11 not never. Children shouldn't be watching YouPorn before 11 either and ideally not before 16 and only irresponsible parents would allow their children to watch pornography so young
Because kids always asked their parents for permission to view porn, even before the advent of the internet.
Jesus H Christ you can not be serious. This has to be a wind up.
Apparently other parents are sitting down of an evening and putting YouPorn on the TV during dinner or something.
You shouldn't teach children about road safety until they're old enough to drive
You don't teach children how to drive a car until they are old enough to drive ie 17 certainly
I learned to drive by the time I was fourteen.
I learnt to drive on a Fergie, and then, later and more rigorously, rear-wheel steer dumpers. Going from a rear-wheel steer dumper on building sites to cars on roads was interesting.
But... although I could 'drive', there was no way on God's earth I should have been allowed on the road at that time. There's a massive difference between being able to 'drive' and being safe on the roads.
It's a really, really bad idea for kids to get their first sex education from YouPorn.
Because that is what's going to happen if we follow @HYUFD's suggestions.
(Also: has anyone else seen Euphoria. Man that's disturbing.)
I suggested sex education from 11 not never. Children shouldn't be watching YouPorn before 11 either and ideally not before 16 and only irresponsible parents would allow their children to watch pornography so young
Because kids always asked their parents for permission to view porn, even before the advent of the internet.
Jesus H Christ you can not be serious. This has to be a wind up.
There are safeguards you can put in place to ensure only family friendly internet surfing. You can also insist computers are only in living rooms within parental viewing unto adulthood and not give children smartphones too early as well
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There's no shortage of them in the DfE or in politics.
And they're all Tories.
And yes, pun intended.
Paperwork mysteriously disappeared shortly after and nothing more said.
“US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles
Whistleblower former intelligence official says government posseses ‘intact and partially intact’ craft of non-human origin”
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/06/whistleblower-ufo-alien-tech-spacecraft
“Biden ‘knew of Ukrainian plan to attack Nord Stream’ three months before explosion
Washington Post reports that European intelligence service told CIA Ukrainian military was planning attack”
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/jun/06/biden-knew-of-plan-to-attack-nord-stream-three-months-before-explosion
I can't think of one thing in the 1920s I would describe as better than today. Possibly the quality and variety of popular music, but that would be about it.
And yes, there is ample evidence. People aged 60-79 are much more likely to report having been abused as a child than people aged 20 to 39.
Not a woke cabal of Cultural Marxists.
Just Tory Party placemen and women.
And there is a significant difference between 'promoting' and 'practising' in this case.
Also Twitter wasn't invented yet.
On drag, there are drag acts which are harmless fun - like pantomime dames etc.., But there are some which are very sexualised and simply not appropriate for children. So it depends which ones we are talking about. Saying that all drag acts should be banned is as daft as saying that all are appropriate for children. Some are; some aren't.
I would also hope that any group - drag or no - wishing to get close to children are properly and thoroughly checked out first. I recently listened to the documentary "In Dark Corners" on iPlayer Sounds about prolific paedophile teachers in some well-known public schools and how they targeted vulnerable children and moved from school to school. It is a horrific story and we'd be naive in thinking it is not still happening. Safeguarding is simply not taken seriously enough in practice. Child abusers will do whatever it takes to get close to children in order to abuse them and behave like parasites on more respectable institutions, groups and movements in order to achieve their aims. We would do well to remember that and not dismiss such concerns as moral panics, as the IICSA final report (and earlier ones) clearly state.
Twitter I will give you.
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1) in the US, any company that doesn’t have a very strict policy of employees not physically interacting with robbers, will get sued to oblivion by employees who get themselves injured.
2) in the past, tolerating employing fighting back has been taken a evidence of the actual company policy being to fight back
3) because of health costs, juries award big settlements against companies when employees get injured.
So the company in this case is actually protecting themselves and their insurance costs.
It’s a pile on, the righteously indignant residents objecting to loss of light, building disruption, change of roofline in conservation area, blocked access, you name it.
I am absolutely fine with the development as we need more residential construction, and the plans look nice enough, certainly the bits that will look over our garden.
But I am staying extremely silent. When faced the NIMBY blob you have to know what’s good for you.
Maybe I needed educating on such matters from an earlier age?
The children were homeschooled and the Family including the teenage girls and young women engaged in a practice called Flirty Fishing, though it had supposedly been dropped by The Family by then.
Not long after we'd moved in we had some of the kids next door come around to our house to play and my dad asked one of the girls what she wanted to be when she was older. Her answer was to live in a house with doors.
They were not paedophiles, but things were not right either. I was a teenager at that point, about 14 so a couple of years below age of consent, but was educated enough to know that things were not right and have alarm bells going off. Which is what people need in dangerous situations, including with those who are more predatory, you never know when your children might suddenly be in contact with people who are not whom they should be. Had I not lived through that myself, I'd have thought cultists were things you saw on TV, not seemingly normal-looking people that you could suddenly live next door to.
If you wait until people are 16 before discussing things, it might by then be well too late. Especially if people with bad intentions are around, to prey on the uneducated and vulnerable.
It is much like tax rises, ok as long as they do not affect me !!!!
The idea Ukraine would do this without American approval and probable help is nuts.
Also, dude, ALIENS
* Exception: Kalmykia under Kirsan Ilyumzhinov:
https://youtu.be/OnedpGJx3Yk
I raised this with the DfE as the body responsible for monitoring them, to which they replied it was a procedural issue for OFSTED (which incidentally isn't correct). Because, ultimately, like OFSTED, they don't care about or even understand safeguarding.
If you doubt that statement, read these two stories:
https://www.tes.com/magazine/archive/exclusive-shock-ofsted-chiefs-lack-knowledge-peer-abuse-guidance
https://www.tes.com/magazine/news/general/ofsted-nude-pupil-pictures-not-safeguarding-issue
We have always answered our children and grandchildren with honest advice and not influenced by any prejeuduces
Indeed the playground will colour a lot of their attitudes and they need to be treated almost as an adult
Any of these explanations is surpassingly
interesting. They all remain possible. Recent evidence points more towards explanation 3
Haven't seen him in years, gather he's busy with the day job, but I miss the old git. His drunken ramblings added a certain zest to the site, especially that time he told me 'I respectfully suggest I don't give a tankard full of warm donkey spunk what you think.'
A boarding school is a machine for generating sexual abuse of children. People talk about stranger danger... What about sending your children to LIVE "looked after" by strangers who obviously don't love them?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/65819546
3 of 13 Premiership sides bust in a season.
Plenty of taxpayer Covid loans to Rugby Union, too.
They know to look both ways before crossing the road.
You learn age appropriate stuff from being toddlers through to adults. Its a progression, not keep kids ignorant of everything until 17 and then start education.
However, they can intervene if they suspect serious shortcomings the ISI is overlooking. Ampleforth springs to mind as a recent example.
It doesn't however excuse them putting a paedophile into a classroom themselves.
Because that is what's going to happen if we follow @HYUFD's suggestions.
(Also: has anyone else seen Euphoria. Man that's disturbing.)
Wife is property
Marital Rape
Bloke has affairs
Vote Conservative apparently.
It's probably a sensible precaution but I must admit I enjoyed helping refuel the car under supervision.
My father had me driving his car on a disused airfield when I was 13 and he taught me well as I actually passed my test on my 17th birthday, celebrating it by a high speed run from Berwick to the Scottish border (90 mph +)
(Incidentally that doesn't seem to be stopping them at the moment, as tragically illustrated in Ely the other week.)
With my kids we always encouraged them from the very earliest age to ask questions about their bodies and feelings. We normalised this so that they did not feel upset or ashamed of anything that happened. By the time my daughter was 9 she was making it clear that she liked girls a lot more than boys. We played it light, didn't try to change her views and just let things take their course. As she grew up she confirmed in her own mind that she was gay and we treated it as completely normal - as of course it was/is. She has been in a steady relationship since she was 14 and is still with the same partner at the age of 22. She is extremely happy, has a life ahead of her with someone she loves (hopefully as of course we all know the old saying about how to make the gods laugh).
I think this is a complete vindication of the way we (and many others including her friends and other family) handled things. The trick is not to let artifical 'mores' (I use that word in place of the more normal 'morals') get in the way of doing the right thing.
So HYUFD is, in my eyes at least, completely wrong. Having an open and intelligent conversation with your kids about sex and relationships is not something that should wait until they reach puberty, by which time they are immersed in a soup of hormones and conflicting feelings. Let them go in with their eyes open and understanding what happens and they will find it much eaier to navigate what is, IMHO, probably the most difficult time in any of our lives. If parents are not willing or able to do this then other responsible adults need to take up the challenge and do it. Hence the need for age appropriate sex education in schools.
Jesus H Christ you can not be serious. This has to be a wind up.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/12/04/ampleforth-has-put-death-rowjust-cromwell-did-monasteries/
“Military whistleblower goes public with claims US has secret UFO retrieval program: ‘Terrestrial arms race’”
https://twitter.com/foxnews/status/1666076260966039552?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw
But... although I could 'drive', there was no way on God's earth I should have been allowed on the road at that time. There's a massive difference between being able to 'drive' and being safe on the roads.