Labour Tory's just more hypocrites Looks like Rachel Reeves deleted her tweet after realising you could see her seat is 3K and therefore in first class 🫢
Which costs around £11,000…!
I would imagine it's more likely to be a free upgrade from business class.
I think the press have reported the seat was business class. People on Twitter, and Malcolm, have upgraded it to first class in their own heads as it sounds better.
I merely reported the item, their speculation that it was expensive is at least as likely as your excuses are for the troughers. Even if it was an upgrade the trougher should not be using anything other than economy with public funds in the first place.
In companies, generally business class for journeys over 7 hours….
Some have made it 8 hours to remove trans-Atlantic, though.
I hope subsidised upgrades will be part of the plan to restore economic dignity.
Frankly I think business class on overnight flights (where the physical comfort and ability to sleep is still way lower than even a bottom end motel or hostel) is a very good investment in productivity.
Likewise first class on intercity trains. We are standard class on internal rail journeys now and the limited ability to do meaningful work in a seat with no table and a small ledge to balance a laptop more than offsets the saving, which often is as little as £50.
It's an easy discourse to want politicians to travel cheaply (or not have staff, or eat at nice restaurants with visiting bigwigs), but it is just another example of our culture of false economies and sweating assets, the same culture that constantly delays infrastructure projects and makes portakabins a quasi-permanent part of the school estate.
@OliverStuenkel 'Lula says Ukraine's peace proposal, which includes a demand for Moscow to withdraw all its troops and for Ukraine’s full territorial integrity to be restored, amounts to "Russia's surrender".
Morning All. Like kjh i’ve been on one of these courses, and like him found it interesting. I suspect that if Braverman had gone on the course it would’ve been a nine days wonder, but a lot of people here would’ve said ‘good on her’ for doing it. I think that she’s now got the worst of all possible worlds, as has Sunak.
I've been on one too, and found it less interesting. My crime was 27 in a 30 in anti-car Bath. The section of road at 20 comes after sections at 60, then 30, then 40 then 30 in the space of about a mile. Since my 'offence' huge areas of Bath have become 20 limits (all the hills from the South side at least are now 20).
Many on my course had been driving far faster than me in areas with much higher limits. After the course I still felt wrongfully 'convicted' and only came away with a sense that this country likes to go after easy offences rather than hard ones. Middle class 'speeders' are the easy target.
Isn't it swings and roundabouts though.
In 51 years of driving I have been caught on cameras twice. Once was points the other, the course. In both cases I thought they were unreasonable under the circumstances (for reasons I won't go into here). However it is only twice in 51 years and there must be dozens of times where I have been speed slightly and it wasn't unreasonable to do me and I haven't been caught. So I take it on the chin.
I doubt a policeman would have booked me in either case taking into account the circumstance but cameras are cheaper than policeman.
On that front I have been stopped by the police 3 times and in all 3 cases let off and in all 3 cases I was in the wrong. In one case I had brain failure so a penalty would have been pointless, but in the other two I was banged to rights and they used their discretion. Two of the instances were quite funny stories, but too embarrassing to tell here.
People have admitted to smashing whores, driving a Ford Galaxy and voting UKIP on here. What is left that is too embarrassing?
Statisically speaking and assuming a number of people posting here is about 500 though most are irregular posters then there is about a 5% chance one of us is a serial killer and hasn't bared their soul here
No need to aim so high as a serial killer. What do they say? One in four people are insane so if you look around at your three best friends and they seem ok then it's probably you.
And talking of serial killers the portrayal by Cameron Britton of Ed Kemper, noted serial killer, on Mindhunter remains with you long afterwards. Rightly nominated (and should have won) an Emmy for it.
'no appetite to make an overt move'? The PM needs to grow a pair. She's acted as if she is above the law. It's utterly toxic for the govt and he needs to sack her already. Unbelievable.
If Sky is right (I didn’t see it - as reported by @Wulfrun_Phil ) then all she did was ask for an accommodation that is offered to others in a prominent position.
She asked the civil service and they said no. So she asked a spad
And if that is correct, she is guilty of no more than asking a civil servant what should have been asked of a SPAD.
Or alternatively, showing shockingly poor judgement and a certain lack of intellect.
Which should disqualify her from high office but (a) isn't news and (b) doesn't cause her to stand out from the crowd in the current state of government and politics.
Perhaps she expected the Civil Servants in question to act like human beings and help her out.
If I had a problem with a speeding ticket (I never have) and was at work, I might ask a colleague, "Oh, do you know what you do about these?" They would probably "act like human beings and help [me] out". I hope Suella would have a similar experience.
But that's not what happened. She formally asked her staff to do something formally.
Morning All. Like kjh i’ve been on one of these courses, and like him found it interesting. I suspect that if Braverman had gone on the course it would’ve been a nine days wonder, but a lot of people here would’ve said ‘good on her’ for doing it. I think that she’s now got the worst of all possible worlds, as has Sunak.
I've been on one too, and found it less interesting. My crime was 27 in a 30 in anti-car Bath. The section of road at 20 comes after sections at 60, then 30, then 40 then 30 in the space of about a mile. Since my 'offence' huge areas of Bath have become 20 limits (all the hills from the South side at least are now 20).
Many on my course had been driving far faster than me in areas with much higher limits. After the course I still felt wrongfully 'convicted' and only came away with a sense that this country likes to go after easy offences rather than hard ones. Middle class 'speeders' are the easy target.
Isn't it swings and roundabouts though.
In 51 years of driving I have been caught on cameras twice. Once was points the other, the course. In both cases I thought they were unreasonable under the circumstances (for reasons I won't go into here). However it is only twice in 51 years and there must be dozens of times where I have been speed slightly and it wasn't unreasonable to do me and I haven't been caught. So I take it on the chin.
I doubt a policeman would have booked me in either case taking into account the circumstance but cameras are cheaper than policeman.
On that front I have been stopped by the police 3 times and in all 3 cases let off and in all 3 cases I was in the wrong. In one case I had brain failure so a penalty would have been pointless, but in the other two I was banged to rights and they used their discretion. Two of the instances were quite funny stories, but too embarrassing to tell here.
People have admitted to smashing whores, driving a Ford Galaxy and voting UKIP on here. What is left that is too embarrassing?
Statisically speaking and assuming a number of people posting here is about 500 though most are irregular posters then there is about a 5% chance one of us is a serial killer and hasn't bared their soul here
Labour Tory's just more hypocrites Looks like Rachel Reeves deleted her tweet after realising you could see her seat is 3K and therefore in first class 🫢
Which costs around £11,000…!
I would imagine it's more likely to be a free upgrade from business class.
I think the press have reported the seat was business class. People on Twitter, and Malcolm, have upgraded it to first class in their own heads as it sounds better.
I merely reported the item, their speculation that it was expensive is at least as likely as your excuses are for the troughers. Even if it was an upgrade the trougher should not be using anything other than economy with public funds in the first place.
In companies, generally business class for journeys over 7 hours….
Some have made it 8 hours to remove trans-Atlantic, though.
We're 8 hours, precisely to nobble regular NY-LON flyers.
There's a market opportunity for an airline that flies slowly but luxuriously.
Only for the companies that let staff book their own flights, where the boss never takes the conventional route.
A few startup airlines have tried running all-business-class flights between key city pairs, at cheaper prices than the regular airlines, and all have been failures.
Labour Tory's just more hypocrites Looks like Rachel Reeves deleted her tweet after realising you could see her seat is 3K and therefore in first class 🫢
Which costs around £11,000…!
I would imagine it's more likely to be a free upgrade from business class.
I think the press have reported the seat was business class. People on Twitter, and Malcolm, have upgraded it to first class in their own heads as it sounds better.
I merely reported the item, their speculation that it was expensive is at least as likely as your excuses are for the troughers. Even if it was an upgrade the trougher should not be using anything other than economy with public funds in the first place.
In companies, generally business class for journeys over 7 hours….
Some have made it 8 hours to remove trans-Atlantic, though.
I hope subsidised upgrades will be part of the plan to restore economic dignity.
Frankly I think business class on overnight flights (where the physical comfort and ability to sleep is still way lower than even a bottom end motel or hostel) is a very good investment in productivity.
Likewise first class on intercity trains. We are standard class on internal rail journeys now and the limited ability to do meaningful work in a seat with no table and a small ledge to balance a laptop more than offsets the saving, which often is as little as £50.
It's an easy discourse to want politicians to travel cheaply (or not have staff, or eat at nice restaurants with visiting bigwigs), but it is just another example of our culture of false economies and sweating assets, the same culture that constantly delays infrastructure projects and makes portakabins a quasi-permanent part of the school estate.
I've some sympathy with your point - but it isn't quite the same culture that constantly delays infrastructure projects. The latter is less about false economies than sheer incompetence of decision making.
@OliverStuenkel 'Lula says Ukraine's peace proposal, which includes a demand for Moscow to withdraw all its troops and for Ukraine’s full territorial integrity to be restored, amounts to "Russia's surrender".
Morning All. Like kjh i’ve been on one of these courses, and like him found it interesting. I suspect that if Braverman had gone on the course it would’ve been a nine days wonder, but a lot of people here would’ve said ‘good on her’ for doing it. I think that she’s now got the worst of all possible worlds, as has Sunak.
I've been on one too, and found it less interesting. My crime was 27 in a 30 in anti-car Bath. The section of road at 20 comes after sections at 60, then 30, then 40 then 30 in the space of about a mile. Since my 'offence' huge areas of Bath have become 20 limits (all the hills from the South side at least are now 20).
Many on my course had been driving far faster than me in areas with much higher limits. After the course I still felt wrongfully 'convicted' and only came away with a sense that this country likes to go after easy offences rather than hard ones. Middle class 'speeders' are the easy target.
Isn't it swings and roundabouts though.
In 51 years of driving I have been caught on cameras twice. Once was points the other, the course. In both cases I thought they were unreasonable under the circumstances (for reasons I won't go into here). However it is only twice in 51 years and there must be dozens of times where I have been speed slightly and it wasn't unreasonable to do me and I haven't been caught. So I take it on the chin.
I doubt a policeman would have booked me in either case taking into account the circumstance but cameras are cheaper than policeman.
On that front I have been stopped by the police 3 times and in all 3 cases let off and in all 3 cases I was in the wrong. In one case I had brain failure so a penalty would have been pointless, but in the other two I was banged to rights and they used their discretion. Two of the instances were quite funny stories, but too embarrassing to tell here.
People have admitted to smashing whores, driving a Ford Galaxy and voting UKIP on here. What is left that is too embarrassing?
Statisically speaking and assuming a number of people posting here is about 500 though most are irregular posters then there is about a 5% chance one of us is a serial killer and hasn't bared their soul here
What? That can't be right, surely. 1 in (500*20=) 10000 people is a serial killer? Or are you controlling for the fact that very odd people are more likely to be drawn to pb.com?
How many posters DO we have? My FITA guess is that 98% of posts are from around 120 people - and for the past four years or so it's been give or take 5%, the same 120 people. I wonder how many lurkers we have?
@OliverStuenkel 'Lula says Ukraine's peace proposal, which includes a demand for Moscow to withdraw all its troops and for Ukraine’s full territorial integrity to be restored, amounts to "Russia's surrender".
Labour Tory's just more hypocrites Looks like Rachel Reeves deleted her tweet after realising you could see her seat is 3K and therefore in first class 🫢
Which costs around £11,000…!
I would imagine it's more likely to be a free upgrade from business class.
I think the press have reported the seat was business class. People on Twitter, and Malcolm, have upgraded it to first class in their own heads as it sounds better.
I merely reported the item, their speculation that it was expensive is at least as likely as your excuses are for the troughers. Even if it was an upgrade the trougher should not be using anything other than economy with public funds in the first place.
In companies, generally business class for journeys over 7 hours….
Some have made it 8 hours to remove trans-Atlantic, though.
We're 8 hours, precisely to nobble regular NY-LON flyers.
There's a market opportunity for an airline that flies slowly but luxuriously.
Not too slowly, given that it is the aircraft's forward motion that keeps it airborne...
Labour Tory's just more hypocrites Looks like Rachel Reeves deleted her tweet after realising you could see her seat is 3K and therefore in first class 🫢
Which costs around £11,000…!
I would imagine it's more likely to be a free upgrade from business class.
I think the press have reported the seat was business class. People on Twitter, and Malcolm, have upgraded it to first class in their own heads as it sounds better.
I merely reported the item, their speculation that it was expensive is at least as likely as your excuses are for the troughers. Even if it was an upgrade the trougher should not be using anything other than economy with public funds in the first place.
In companies, generally business class for journeys over 7 hours….
Some have made it 8 hours to remove trans-Atlantic, though.
I hope subsidised upgrades will be part of the plan to restore economic dignity.
Frankly I think business class on overnight flights (where the physical comfort and ability to sleep is still way lower than even a bottom end motel or hostel) is a very good investment in productivity.
Likewise first class on intercity trains. We are standard class on internal rail journeys now and the limited ability to do meaningful work in a seat with no table and a small ledge to balance a laptop more than offsets the saving, which often is as little as £50.
It's an easy discourse to want politicians to travel cheaply (or not have staff, or eat at nice restaurants with visiting bigwigs), but it is just another example of our culture of false economies and sweating assets, the same culture that constantly delays infrastructure projects and makes portakabins a quasi-permanent part of the school estate.
Perhaps if the 'class' connotations are dropped it would just be a decision about functionality and comfort. In Finland there is an 'extra' carriage on the train which is just designed as a quiet space for remote working, the seats are bigger and there are tables, they ask that you don't talk when using this carriage so others aren't disturbed. It costs about 10 euros extra and is just designed for people who want/need to work.
Morning All. Like kjh i’ve been on one of these courses, and like him found it interesting. I suspect that if Braverman had gone on the course it would’ve been a nine days wonder, but a lot of people here would’ve said ‘good on her’ for doing it. I think that she’s now got the worst of all possible worlds, as has Sunak.
As a law abiding citizen I have never been on such a course. Interesting to learn of it from all the law breakers on PB.
I've never been on one. It's the softcock way out. Plead not guilty and if you don't get away with it; wear your points with pride.
Morning All. Like kjh i’ve been on one of these courses, and like him found it interesting. I suspect that if Braverman had gone on the course it would’ve been a nine days wonder, but a lot of people here would’ve said ‘good on her’ for doing it. I think that she’s now got the worst of all possible worlds, as has Sunak.
As a law abiding citizen I have never been on such a course. Interesting to learn of it from all the law breakers on PB.
I've never been on one. It's the softcock way out. Plead not guilty and if you don't get away with it; wear your points with pride.
It was interesting and I learned a few things, such as why there are often miles of restrictions on motorways when no-one working. Apparently the new surface takes a while to finally settle down. However it’s a very long time since the course and a long time …..over a year ….since I’ve even driven. Sadly.
I agree, I learnt some useful things on the course I attended - such as what defines a dual-carriageway and thus the 70mph versus 60mph speed limit.
However, it was also a long time ago I attended mine. Fortunately, Surrey police have recently invited me to a refresher. ;-)
Morning All. Like kjh i’ve been on one of these courses, and like him found it interesting. I suspect that if Braverman had gone on the course it would’ve been a nine days wonder, but a lot of people here would’ve said ‘good on her’ for doing it. I think that she’s now got the worst of all possible worlds, as has Sunak.
I've been on one too, and found it less interesting. My crime was 27 in a 30 in anti-car Bath. The section of road at 20 comes after sections at 60, then 30, then 40 then 30 in the space of about a mile. Since my 'offence' huge areas of Bath have become 20 limits (all the hills from the South side at least are now 20).
Many on my course had been driving far faster than me in areas with much higher limits. After the course I still felt wrongfully 'convicted' and only came away with a sense that this country likes to go after easy offences rather than hard ones. Middle class 'speeders' are the easy target.
Isn't it swings and roundabouts though.
In 51 years of driving I have been caught on cameras twice. Once was points the other, the course. In both cases I thought they were unreasonable under the circumstances (for reasons I won't go into here). However it is only twice in 51 years and there must be dozens of times where I have been speed slightly and it wasn't unreasonable to do me and I haven't been caught. So I take it on the chin.
I doubt a policeman would have booked me in either case taking into account the circumstance but cameras are cheaper than policeman.
On that front I have been stopped by the police 3 times and in all 3 cases let off and in all 3 cases I was in the wrong. In one case I had brain failure so a penalty would have been pointless, but in the other two I was banged to rights and they used their discretion. Two of the instances were quite funny stories, but too embarrassing to tell here.
People have admitted to smashing whores, driving a Ford Galaxy and voting UKIP on here. What is left that is too embarrassing?
Statisically speaking and assuming a number of people posting here is about 500 though most are irregular posters then there is about a 5% chance one of us is a serial killer and hasn't bared their soul here
Umm - you think that one in 10,000 is a serial killer? That's bold. There are around 600 or so murders in the UK each year. There are around 70 million people in the UK. Simple maths makes it 7,000 serial killers. They can't be that active...
Morning All. Like kjh i’ve been on one of these courses, and like him found it interesting. I suspect that if Braverman had gone on the course it would’ve been a nine days wonder, but a lot of people here would’ve said ‘good on her’ for doing it. I think that she’s now got the worst of all possible worlds, as has Sunak.
I've been on one too, and found it less interesting. My crime was 27 in a 30 in anti-car Bath. The section of road at 20 comes after sections at 60, then 30, then 40 then 30 in the space of about a mile. Since my 'offence' huge areas of Bath have become 20 limits (all the hills from the South side at least are now 20).
Many on my course had been driving far faster than me in areas with much higher limits. After the course I still felt wrongfully 'convicted' and only came away with a sense that this country likes to go after easy offences rather than hard ones. Middle class 'speeders' are the easy target.
Isn't it swings and roundabouts though.
In 51 years of driving I have been caught on cameras twice. Once was points the other, the course. In both cases I thought they were unreasonable under the circumstances (for reasons I won't go into here). However it is only twice in 51 years and there must be dozens of times where I have been speed slightly and it wasn't unreasonable to do me and I haven't been caught. So I take it on the chin.
I doubt a policeman would have booked me in either case taking into account the circumstance but cameras are cheaper than policeman.
On that front I have been stopped by the police 3 times and in all 3 cases let off and in all 3 cases I was in the wrong. In one case I had brain failure so a penalty would have been pointless, but in the other two I was banged to rights and they used their discretion. Two of the instances were quite funny stories, but too embarrassing to tell here.
People have admitted to smashing whores, driving a Ford Galaxy and voting UKIP on here. What is left that is too embarrassing?
Statisically speaking and assuming a number of people posting here is about 500 though most are irregular posters then there is about a 5% chance one of us is a serial killer and hasn't bared their soul here
What? That can't be right, surely. 1 in (500*20=) 10000 people is a serial killer? Or are you controlling for the fact that very odd people are more likely to be drawn to pb.com?
How many posters DO we have? My FITA guess is that 98% of posts are from around 120 people - and for the past four years or so it's been give or take 5%, the same 120 people. I wonder how many lurkers we have?
Indeed I think the number of regular posters is very small. It's unusual for me to see a name that I don't recognise - apart from Saturday mornings of course!
Labour Tory's just more hypocrites Looks like Rachel Reeves deleted her tweet after realising you could see her seat is 3K and therefore in first class 🫢
Which costs around £11,000…!
I would imagine it's more likely to be a free upgrade from business class.
I think the press have reported the seat was business class. People on Twitter, and Malcolm, have upgraded it to first class in their own heads as it sounds better.
I merely reported the item, their speculation that it was expensive is at least as likely as your excuses are for the troughers. Even if it was an upgrade the trougher should not be using anything other than economy with public funds in the first place.
In companies, generally business class for journeys over 7 hours….
Some have made it 8 hours to remove trans-Atlantic, though.
We're 8 hours, precisely to nobble regular NY-LON flyers.
There's a market opportunity for an airline that flies slowly but luxuriously.
Not too slowly, given that it is the aircraft's forward motion that keeps it airborne...
Morning All. Like kjh i’ve been on one of these courses, and like him found it interesting. I suspect that if Braverman had gone on the course it would’ve been a nine days wonder, but a lot of people here would’ve said ‘good on her’ for doing it. I think that she’s now got the worst of all possible worlds, as has Sunak.
I've been on one too, and found it less interesting. My crime was 27 in a 30 in anti-car Bath. The section of road at 20 comes after sections at 60, then 30, then 40 then 30 in the space of about a mile. Since my 'offence' huge areas of Bath have become 20 limits (all the hills from the South side at least are now 20).
Many on my course had been driving far faster than me in areas with much higher limits. After the course I still felt wrongfully 'convicted' and only came away with a sense that this country likes to go after easy offences rather than hard ones. Middle class 'speeders' are the easy target.
Isn't it swings and roundabouts though.
In 51 years of driving I have been caught on cameras twice. Once was points the other, the course. In both cases I thought they were unreasonable under the circumstances (for reasons I won't go into here). However it is only twice in 51 years and there must be dozens of times where I have been speed slightly and it wasn't unreasonable to do me and I haven't been caught. So I take it on the chin.
I doubt a policeman would have booked me in either case taking into account the circumstance but cameras are cheaper than policeman.
On that front I have been stopped by the police 3 times and in all 3 cases let off and in all 3 cases I was in the wrong. In one case I had brain failure so a penalty would have been pointless, but in the other two I was banged to rights and they used their discretion. Two of the instances were quite funny stories, but too embarrassing to tell here.
People have admitted to smashing whores, driving a Ford Galaxy and voting UKIP on here. What is left that is too embarrassing?
Statisically speaking and assuming a number of people posting here is about 500 though most are irregular posters then there is about a 5% chance one of us is a serial killer and hasn't bared their soul here
What? That can't be right, surely. 1 in (500*20=) 10000 people is a serial killer? Or are you controlling for the fact that very odd people are more likely to be drawn to pb.com?
How many posters DO we have? My FITA guess is that 98% of posts are from around 120 people - and for the past four years or so it's been give or take 5%, the same 120 people. I wonder how many lurkers we have?
apparently the % of serial killers is about 1 in 10000 with the proclivity....its not necessarily those that actually go on to do it. The stats on that seem hard to find, given that most highflyers in companies are suspected to be sociopaths to some degree then it does not seem out of line
Labour Tory's just more hypocrites Looks like Rachel Reeves deleted her tweet after realising you could see her seat is 3K and therefore in first class 🫢
Which costs around £11,000…!
I would imagine it's more likely to be a free upgrade from business class.
I think the press have reported the seat was business class. People on Twitter, and Malcolm, have upgraded it to first class in their own heads as it sounds better.
I merely reported the item, their speculation that it was expensive is at least as likely as your excuses are for the troughers. Even if it was an upgrade the trougher should not be using anything other than economy with public funds in the first place.
In companies, generally business class for journeys over 7 hours….
Some have made it 8 hours to remove trans-Atlantic, though.
We're 8 hours, precisely to nobble regular NY-LON flyers.
There's a market opportunity for an airline that flies slowly but luxuriously.
Not too slowly, given that it is the aircraft's forward motion that keeps it airborne...
Labour Tory's just more hypocrites Looks like Rachel Reeves deleted her tweet after realising you could see her seat is 3K and therefore in first class 🫢
Which costs around £11,000…!
I would imagine it's more likely to be a free upgrade from business class.
I think the press have reported the seat was business class. People on Twitter, and Malcolm, have upgraded it to first class in their own heads as it sounds better.
I merely reported the item, their speculation that it was expensive is at least as likely as your excuses are for the troughers. Even if it was an upgrade the trougher should not be using anything other than economy with public funds in the first place.
In companies, generally business class for journeys over 7 hours….
Some have made it 8 hours to remove trans-Atlantic, though.
We're 8 hours, precisely to nobble regular NY-LON flyers.
There's a market opportunity for an airline that flies slowly but luxuriously.
Back in the day, we used to send computer tapes across the Atlantic by courier... by Concorde!
Go on, there’s a story there…
Must have been 10x the price of a standard ticket, and only a couple of flights per day, to save a few hours at very specific times.
Morning All. Like kjh i’ve been on one of these courses, and like him found it interesting. I suspect that if Braverman had gone on the course it would’ve been a nine days wonder, but a lot of people here would’ve said ‘good on her’ for doing it. I think that she’s now got the worst of all possible worlds, as has Sunak.
As a law abiding citizen I have never been on such a course. Interesting to learn of it from all the law breakers on PB.
I've never been on one. It's the softcock way out. Plead not guilty and if you don't get away with it; wear your points with pride.
Morning All. Like kjh i’ve been on one of these courses, and like him found it interesting. I suspect that if Braverman had gone on the course it would’ve been a nine days wonder, but a lot of people here would’ve said ‘good on her’ for doing it. I think that she’s now got the worst of all possible worlds, as has Sunak.
As a law abiding citizen I have never been on such a course. Interesting to learn of it from all the law breakers on PB.
I've never been on one. It's the softcock way out. Plead not guilty and if you don't get away with it; wear your points with pride.
It was interesting and I learned a few things, such as why there are often miles of restrictions on motorways when no-one working. Apparently the new surface takes a while to finally settle down. However it’s a very long time since the course and a long time …..over a year ….since I’ve even driven. Sadly.
I agree, I learnt some useful things on the course I attended - such as what defines a dual-carriageway and thus the 70mph versus 60mph speed limit.
However, it was also a long time ago I attended mine. Fortunately, Surrey police have recently invited me to a refresher. ;-)
Morning All. Like kjh i’ve been on one of these courses, and like him found it interesting. I suspect that if Braverman had gone on the course it would’ve been a nine days wonder, but a lot of people here would’ve said ‘good on her’ for doing it. I think that she’s now got the worst of all possible worlds, as has Sunak.
I've been on one too, and found it less interesting. My crime was 27 in a 30 in anti-car Bath. The section of road at 20 comes after sections at 60, then 30, then 40 then 30 in the space of about a mile. Since my 'offence' huge areas of Bath have become 20 limits (all the hills from the South side at least are now 20).
Many on my course had been driving far faster than me in areas with much higher limits. After the course I still felt wrongfully 'convicted' and only came away with a sense that this country likes to go after easy offences rather than hard ones. Middle class 'speeders' are the easy target.
Isn't it swings and roundabouts though.
In 51 years of driving I have been caught on cameras twice. Once was points the other, the course. In both cases I thought they were unreasonable under the circumstances (for reasons I won't go into here). However it is only twice in 51 years and there must be dozens of times where I have been speed slightly and it wasn't unreasonable to do me and I haven't been caught. So I take it on the chin.
I doubt a policeman would have booked me in either case taking into account the circumstance but cameras are cheaper than policeman.
On that front I have been stopped by the police 3 times and in all 3 cases let off and in all 3 cases I was in the wrong. In one case I had brain failure so a penalty would have been pointless, but in the other two I was banged to rights and they used their discretion. Two of the instances were quite funny stories, but too embarrassing to tell here.
People have admitted to smashing whores, driving a Ford Galaxy and voting UKIP on here. What is left that is too embarrassing?
Statisically speaking and assuming a number of people posting here is about 500 though most are irregular posters then there is about a 5% chance one of us is a serial killer and hasn't bared their soul here
Umm - you think that one in 10,000 is a serial killer? That's bold. There are around 600 or so murders in the UK each year. There are around 70 million people in the UK. Simple maths makes it 7,000 serial killers. They can't be that active...
I think that just goes back to this country's problems with productivity! Perhaps if there was better training available, or investment in relevant infrastructure, we could increase those numbers.
Labour Tory's just more hypocrites Looks like Rachel Reeves deleted her tweet after realising you could see her seat is 3K and therefore in first class 🫢
Which costs around £11,000…!
Bargain at twice the price.
Have you seen the sort of people who travel standard class?
Although I prefer flying on a Learjet.
Pure equality there with no standard or first class.
Overnight bus is too good for these spongers
Better still get everyone to buy expensive campervans like Scottish Nationalists for their travel. Oh, hang on they are the "splitters" from your point of view eh Baldrick? In your unique and highly narrowminded, simplistic political analysis, every politician is a crook or a sponger except those that agree with the saintly Alex Salmond 🤣🤣🤣
I mean, really, how detached from reality (thick) do you have to be to think that the answer to any question of importance is someone as untrustworthy and creepy as Alex Salmond?
Brilliant speech by Starmer on the NHS and social care .
A great line “for the Tories the NHS is a cost not a cause “.
Here's the killer, though;
It's an amazing indictment of Tory performance on the NHS that Keir Starmer's new pledge *to meet NHS targets that already exist under the Tories* is being criticised as overambitious and undeliverable.
Morning All. Like kjh i’ve been on one of these courses, and like him found it interesting. I suspect that if Braverman had gone on the course it would’ve been a nine days wonder, but a lot of people here would’ve said ‘good on her’ for doing it. I think that she’s now got the worst of all possible worlds, as has Sunak.
I've been on one too, and found it less interesting. My crime was 27 in a 30 in anti-car Bath. The section of road at 20 comes after sections at 60, then 30, then 40 then 30 in the space of about a mile. Since my 'offence' huge areas of Bath have become 20 limits (all the hills from the South side at least are now 20).
Many on my course had been driving far faster than me in areas with much higher limits. After the course I still felt wrongfully 'convicted' and only came away with a sense that this country likes to go after easy offences rather than hard ones. Middle class 'speeders' are the easy target.
Isn't it swings and roundabouts though.
In 51 years of driving I have been caught on cameras twice. Once was points the other, the course. In both cases I thought they were unreasonable under the circumstances (for reasons I won't go into here). However it is only twice in 51 years and there must be dozens of times where I have been speed slightly and it wasn't unreasonable to do me and I haven't been caught. So I take it on the chin.
I doubt a policeman would have booked me in either case taking into account the circumstance but cameras are cheaper than policeman.
On that front I have been stopped by the police 3 times and in all 3 cases let off and in all 3 cases I was in the wrong. In one case I had brain failure so a penalty would have been pointless, but in the other two I was banged to rights and they used their discretion. Two of the instances were quite funny stories, but too embarrassing to tell here.
People have admitted to smashing whores, driving a Ford Galaxy and voting UKIP on here. What is left that is too embarrassing?
Statisically speaking and assuming a number of people posting here is about 500 though most are irregular posters then there is about a 5% chance one of us is a serial killer and hasn't bared their soul here
What? That can't be right, surely. 1 in (500*20=) 10000 people is a serial killer? Or are you controlling for the fact that very odd people are more likely to be drawn to pb.com?
How many posters DO we have? My FITA guess is that 98% of posts are from around 120 people - and for the past four years or so it's been give or take 5%, the same 120 people. I wonder how many lurkers we have?
apparently the % of serial killers is about 1 in 10000 with the pro
Morning All. Like kjh i’ve been on one of these courses, and like him found it interesting. I suspect that if Braverman had gone on the course it would’ve been a nine days wonder, but a lot of people here would’ve said ‘good on her’ for doing it. I think that she’s now got the worst of all possible worlds, as has Sunak.
As a law abiding citizen I have never been on such a course. Interesting to learn of it from all the law breakers on PB.
I've never been on one. It's the softcock way out. Plead not guilty and if you don't get away with it; wear your points with pride.
Morning All. Like kjh i’ve been on one of these courses, and like him found it interesting. I suspect that if Braverman had gone on the course it would’ve been a nine days wonder, but a lot of people here would’ve said ‘good on her’ for doing it. I think that she’s now got the worst of all possible worlds, as has Sunak.
As a law abiding citizen I have never been on such a course. Interesting to learn of it from all the law breakers on PB.
I've never been on one. It's the softcock way out. Plead not guilty and if you don't get away with it; wear your points with pride.
It was interesting and I learned a few things, such as why there are often miles of restrictions on motorways when no-one working. Apparently the new surface takes a while to finally settle down. However it’s a very long time since the course and a long time …..over a year ….since I’ve even driven. Sadly.
I agree, I learnt some useful things on the course I attended - such as what defines a dual-carriageway and thus the 70mph versus 60mph speed limit.
However, it was also a long time ago I attended mine. Fortunately, Surrey police have recently invited me to a refresher. ;-)
Morning All. Like kjh i’ve been on one of these courses, and like him found it interesting. I suspect that if Braverman had gone on the course it would’ve been a nine days wonder, but a lot of people here would’ve said ‘good on her’ for doing it. I think that she’s now got the worst of all possible worlds, as has Sunak.
I've been on one too, and found it less interesting. My crime was 27 in a 30 in anti-car Bath. The section of road at 20 comes after sections at 60, then 30, then 40 then 30 in the space of about a mile. Since my 'offence' huge areas of Bath have become 20 limits (all the hills from the South side at least are now 20).
Many on my course had been driving far faster than me in areas with much higher limits. After the course I still felt wrongfully 'convicted' and only came away with a sense that this country likes to go after easy offences rather than hard ones. Middle class 'speeders' are the easy target.
Isn't it swings and roundabouts though.
In 51 years of driving I have been caught on cameras twice. Once was points the other, the course. In both cases I thought they were unreasonable under the circumstances (for reasons I won't go into here). However it is only twice in 51 years and there must be dozens of times where I have been speed slightly and it wasn't unreasonable to do me and I haven't been caught. So I take it on the chin.
I doubt a policeman would have booked me in either case taking into account the circumstance but cameras are cheaper than policeman.
On that front I have been stopped by the police 3 times and in all 3 cases let off and in all 3 cases I was in the wrong. In one case I had brain failure so a penalty would have been pointless, but in the other two I was banged to rights and they used their discretion. Two of the instances were quite funny stories, but too embarrassing to tell here.
People have admitted to smashing whores, driving a Ford Galaxy and voting UKIP on here. What is left that is too embarrassing?
Statisically speaking and assuming a number of people posting here is about 500 though most are irregular posters then there is about a 5% chance one of us is a serial killer and hasn't bared their soul here
Umm - you think that one in 10,000 is a serial killer? That's bold. There are around 600 or so murders in the UK each year. There are around 70 million people in the UK. Simple maths makes it 7,000 serial killers. They can't be that active...
I clarified later that its the estimate of those with proclivities that could make them a serial killer and that many of them find other outlets for there sociopathy such as becoming politicians, rising up the greasy pole etc
Morning All. Like kjh i’ve been on one of these courses, and like him found it interesting. I suspect that if Braverman had gone on the course it would’ve been a nine days wonder, but a lot of people here would’ve said ‘good on her’ for doing it. I think that she’s now got the worst of all possible worlds, as has Sunak.
I've been on one too, and found it less interesting. My crime was 27 in a 30 in anti-car Bath. The section of road at 20 comes after sections at 60, then 30, then 40 then 30 in the space of about a mile. Since my 'offence' huge areas of Bath have become 20 limits (all the hills from the South side at least are now 20).
Many on my course had been driving far faster than me in areas with much higher limits. After the course I still felt wrongfully 'convicted' and only came away with a sense that this country likes to go after easy offences rather than hard ones. Middle class 'speeders' are the easy target.
Isn't it swings and roundabouts though.
In 51 years of driving I have been caught on cameras twice. Once was points the other, the course. In both cases I thought they were unreasonable under the circumstances (for reasons I won't go into here). However it is only twice in 51 years and there must be dozens of times where I have been speed slightly and it wasn't unreasonable to do me and I haven't been caught. So I take it on the chin.
I doubt a policeman would have booked me in either case taking into account the circumstance but cameras are cheaper than policeman.
On that front I have been stopped by the police 3 times and in all 3 cases let off and in all 3 cases I was in the wrong. In one case I had brain failure so a penalty would have been pointless, but in the other two I was banged to rights and they used their discretion. Two of the instances were quite funny stories, but too embarrassing to tell here.
People have admitted to smashing whores, driving a Ford Galaxy and voting UKIP on here. What is left that is too embarrassing?
Statisically speaking and assuming a number of people posting here is about 500 though most are irregular posters then there is about a 5% chance one of us is a serial killer and hasn't bared their soul here
Umm - you think that one in 10,000 is a serial killer? That's bold. There are around 600 or so murders in the UK each year. There are around 70 million people in the UK. Simple maths makes it 7,000 serial killers. They can't be that active...
How many of Dr Shipman’s victims were counted as murders when they died?
Labour Tory's just more hypocrites Looks like Rachel Reeves deleted her tweet after realising you could see her seat is 3K and therefore in first class 🫢
Which costs around £11,000…!
I would imagine it's more likely to be a free upgrade from business class.
I think the press have reported the seat was business class. People on Twitter, and Malcolm, have upgraded it to first class in their own heads as it sounds better.
I merely reported the item, their speculation that it was expensive is at least as likely as your excuses are for the troughers. Even if it was an upgrade the trougher should not be using anything other than economy with public funds in the first place.
In companies, generally business class for journeys over 7 hours….
Some have made it 8 hours to remove trans-Atlantic, though.
We're 8 hours, precisely to nobble regular NY-LON flyers.
There's a market opportunity for an airline that flies slowly but luxuriously.
Not too slowly, given that it is the aircraft's forward motion that keeps it airborne...
Unless you make them buoyant.
Isn't it strange that Elon Musk hasn't tried to bring back giant airships? I'd have thought he would find it quite aesthetically appealing.
Labour Tory's just more hypocrites Looks like Rachel Reeves deleted her tweet after realising you could see her seat is 3K and therefore in first class 🫢
Which costs around £11,000…!
I would imagine it's more likely to be a free upgrade from business class.
I think the press have reported the seat was business class. People on Twitter, and Malcolm, have upgraded it to first class in their own heads as it sounds better.
I merely reported the item, their speculation that it was expensive is at least as likely as your excuses are for the troughers. Even if it was an upgrade the trougher should not be using anything other than economy with public funds in the first place.
In companies, generally business class for journeys over 7 hours….
Some have made it 8 hours to remove trans-Atlantic, though.
We're 8 hours, precisely to nobble regular NY-LON flyers.
There's a market opportunity for an airline that flies slowly but luxuriously.
Not too slowly, given that it is the aircraft's forward motion that keeps it airborne...
Brilliant speech by Starmer on the NHS and social care .
A great line “for the Tories the NHS is a cost not a cause “.
Here's the killer, though;
It's an amazing indictment of Tory performance on the NHS that Keir Starmer's new pledge *to meet NHS targets that already exist under the Tories* is being criticised as overambitious and undeliverable.
Labour Tory's just more hypocrites Looks like Rachel Reeves deleted her tweet after realising you could see her seat is 3K and therefore in first class 🫢
Which costs around £11,000…!
I would imagine it's more likely to be a free upgrade from business class.
I think the press have reported the seat was business class. People on Twitter, and Malcolm, have upgraded it to first class in their own heads as it sounds better.
That makes more sense. It's a work trip so I don't really understand the outrage.
Fairly outrageous to go First from LHR-JFK
It’s only 7hours. Not enough time for a real sleep. First is £9k? Biz is about £3k?
I speak as someone used to budget conditions and I can assure her Biz is tolerable
Labour Tory's just more hypocrites Looks like Rachel Reeves deleted her tweet after realising you could see her seat is 3K and therefore in first class 🫢
Which costs around £11,000…!
I would imagine it's more likely to be a free upgrade from business class.
I think the press have reported the seat was business class. People on Twitter, and Malcolm, have upgraded it to first class in their own heads as it sounds better.
I merely reported the item, their speculation that it was expensive is at least as likely as your excuses are for the troughers. Even if it was an upgrade the trougher should not be using anything other than economy with public funds in the first place.
In companies, generally business class for journeys over 7 hours….
Some have made it 8 hours to remove trans-Atlantic, though.
We're 8 hours, precisely to nobble regular NY-LON flyers.
There's a market opportunity for an airline that flies slowly but luxuriously.
Not too slowly, given that it is the aircraft's forward motion that keeps it airborne...
Morning All. Like kjh i’ve been on one of these courses, and like him found it interesting. I suspect that if Braverman had gone on the course it would’ve been a nine days wonder, but a lot of people here would’ve said ‘good on her’ for doing it. I think that she’s now got the worst of all possible worlds, as has Sunak.
I've been on one too, and found it less interesting. My crime was 27 in a 30 in anti-car Bath. The section of road at 20 comes after sections at 60, then 30, then 40 then 30 in the space of about a mile. Since my 'offence' huge areas of Bath have become 20 limits (all the hills from the South side at least are now 20).
Many on my course had been driving far faster than me in areas with much higher limits. After the course I still felt wrongfully 'convicted' and only came away with a sense that this country likes to go after easy offences rather than hard ones. Middle class 'speeders' are the easy target.
Isn't it swings and roundabouts though.
In 51 years of driving I have been caught on cameras twice. Once was points the other, the course. In both cases I thought they were unreasonable under the circumstances (for reasons I won't go into here). However it is only twice in 51 years and there must be dozens of times where I have been speed slightly and it wasn't unreasonable to do me and I haven't been caught. So I take it on the chin.
I doubt a policeman would have booked me in either case taking into account the circumstance but cameras are cheaper than policeman.
On that front I have been stopped by the police 3 times and in all 3 cases let off and in all 3 cases I was in the wrong. In one case I had brain failure so a penalty would have been pointless, but in the other two I was banged to rights and they used their discretion. Two of the instances were quite funny stories, but too embarrassing to tell here.
People have admitted to smashing whores, driving a Ford Galaxy and voting UKIP on here. What is left that is too embarrassing?
Statisically speaking and assuming a number of people posting here is about 500 though most are irregular posters then there is about a 5% chance one of us is a serial killer and hasn't bared their soul here
What? That can't be right, surely. 1 in (500*20=) 10000 people is a serial killer? Or are you controlling for the fact that very odd people are more likely to be drawn to pb.com?
How many posters DO we have? My FITA guess is that 98% of posts are from around 120 people - and for the past four years or so it's been give or take 5%, the same 120 people. I wonder how many lurkers we have?
apparently the % of serial killers is about 1 in 10000 with the proclivity....its not necessarily those that actually go on to do it. The stats on that seem hard to find, given that most highflyers in companies are suspected to be sociopaths to some degree then it does not seem out of line
OK, so that's 7000 potential serial killers in the UK. But even if all the murders are done by serial killers, and even if they're averaging one murder a year (which would be a really peculiar detective novel), that's still 90% of potential serial killers managing to resist the urge. Let's focus on the positives here.
Labour Tory's just more hypocrites Looks like Rachel Reeves deleted her tweet after realising you could see her seat is 3K and therefore in first class 🫢
Which costs around £11,000…!
I would imagine it's more likely to be a free upgrade from business class.
I think the press have reported the seat was business class. People on Twitter, and Malcolm, have upgraded it to first class in their own heads as it sounds better.
I merely reported the item, their speculation that it was expensive is at least as likely as your excuses are for the troughers. Even if it was an upgrade the trougher should not be using anything other than economy with public funds in the first place.
In companies, generally business class for journeys over 7 hours….
Some have made it 8 hours to remove trans-Atlantic, though.
We're 8 hours, precisely to nobble regular NY-LON flyers.
There's a market opportunity for an airline that flies slowly but luxuriously.
Back in the day, we used to send computer tapes across the Atlantic by courier... by Concorde!
Go on, there’s a story there…
Must have been 10x the price of a standard ticket, and only a couple of flights per day, to save a few hours at very specific times.
Great fun for the human courier though!
A tape on a plane was the fastest way to synchronise databases before the fast internet. Twice a week, a tape was sent from New York to London. Being a human courier was a great way to see the world, although again, maybe the internet has killed demand.
Suella Braverman ‘tried to get out of final vote on small boats bill’ https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/may/21/suella-braverman-tried-to-get-out-of-final-vote-on-small-boats-bill ...The home secretary’s aides sent multiple emails over the course of several days to the Tory whips’ office requesting that she be “slipped”, or permitted to miss, the third reading of her department’s flagship legislation. Sources said the chief whip, Simon Hart, eventually had to call Braverman directly to instruct her to attend the vote on the illegal migration bill, which had a three-line whip. They claimed that Braverman had wanted to visit a police station instead...
Morning All. Like kjh i’ve been on one of these courses, and like him found it interesting. I suspect that if Braverman had gone on the course it would’ve been a nine days wonder, but a lot of people here would’ve said ‘good on her’ for doing it. I think that she’s now got the worst of all possible worlds, as has Sunak.
As a law abiding citizen I have never been on such a course. Interesting to learn of it from all the law breakers on PB.
I've never been on one. It's the softcock way out. Plead not guilty and if you don't get away with it; wear your points with pride.
Morning All. Like kjh i’ve been on one of these courses, and like him found it interesting. I suspect that if Braverman had gone on the course it would’ve been a nine days wonder, but a lot of people here would’ve said ‘good on her’ for doing it. I think that she’s now got the worst of all possible worlds, as has Sunak.
As a law abiding citizen I have never been on such a course. Interesting to learn of it from all the law breakers on PB.
I've never been on one. It's the softcock way out. Plead not guilty and if you don't get away with it; wear your points with pride.
It was interesting and I learned a few things, such as why there are often miles of restrictions on motorways when no-one working. Apparently the new surface takes a while to finally settle down. However it’s a very long time since the course and a long time …..over a year ….since I’ve even driven. Sadly.
I agree, I learnt some useful things on the course I attended - such as what defines a dual-carriageway and thus the 70mph versus 60mph speed limit.
However, it was also a long time ago I attended mine. Fortunately, Surrey police have recently invited me to a refresher. ;-)
Morning All. Like kjh i’ve been on one of these courses, and like him found it interesting. I suspect that if Braverman had gone on the course it would’ve been a nine days wonder, but a lot of people here would’ve said ‘good on her’ for doing it. I think that she’s now got the worst of all possible worlds, as has Sunak.
I've been on one too, and found it less interesting. My crime was 27 in a 30 in anti-car Bath. The section of road at 20 comes after sections at 60, then 30, then 40 then 30 in the space of about a mile. Since my 'offence' huge areas of Bath have become 20 limits (all the hills from the South side at least are now 20).
Many on my course had been driving far faster than me in areas with much higher limits. After the course I still felt wrongfully 'convicted' and only came away with a sense that this country likes to go after easy offences rather than hard ones. Middle class 'speeders' are the easy target.
Isn't it swings and roundabouts though.
In 51 years of driving I have been caught on cameras twice. Once was points the other, the course. In both cases I thought they were unreasonable under the circumstances (for reasons I won't go into here). However it is only twice in 51 years and there must be dozens of times where I have been speed slightly and it wasn't unreasonable to do me and I haven't been caught. So I take it on the chin.
I doubt a policeman would have booked me in either case taking into account the circumstance but cameras are cheaper than policeman.
On that front I have been stopped by the police 3 times and in all 3 cases let off and in all 3 cases I was in the wrong. In one case I had brain failure so a penalty would have been pointless, but in the other two I was banged to rights and they used their discretion. Two of the instances were quite funny stories, but too embarrassing to tell here.
People have admitted to smashing whores, driving a Ford Galaxy and voting UKIP on here. What is left that is too embarrassing?
Statisically speaking and assuming a number of people posting here is about 500 though most are irregular posters then there is about a 5% chance one of us is a serial killer and hasn't bared their soul here
Umm - you think that one in 10,000 is a serial killer? That's bold. There are around 600 or so murders in the UK each year. There are around 70 million people in the UK. Simple maths makes it 7,000 serial killers. They can't be that active...
Perhaps they work in teams, such that each of those murders is the work of a dozen or so serial killers acting in concert?
Although you could argue that's inefficient, it does at least limit the death toll. So hats off to our considerate serial killers.
Suella Braverman ‘tried to get out of final vote on small boats bill’ https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/may/21/suella-braverman-tried-to-get-out-of-final-vote-on-small-boats-bill ...The home secretary’s aides sent multiple emails over the course of several days to the Tory whips’ office requesting that she be “slipped”, or permitted to miss, the third reading of her department’s flagship legislation. Sources said the chief whip, Simon Hart, eventually had to call Braverman directly to instruct her to attend the vote on the illegal migration bill, which had a three-line whip. They claimed that Braverman had wanted to visit a police station instead...
Looks like it’s a row between No.10, or at least the Cabinet Office, and the Home Office.
Morning All. Like kjh i’ve been on one of these courses, and like him found it interesting. I suspect that if Braverman had gone on the course it would’ve been a nine days wonder, but a lot of people here would’ve said ‘good on her’ for doing it. I think that she’s now got the worst of all possible worlds, as has Sunak.
I've been on one too, and found it less interesting. My crime was 27 in a 30 in anti-car Bath. The section of road at 20 comes after sections at 60, then 30, then 40 then 30 in the space of about a mile. Since my 'offence' huge areas of Bath have become 20 limits (all the hills from the South side at least are now 20).
Many on my course had been driving far faster than me in areas with much higher limits. After the course I still felt wrongfully 'convicted' and only came away with a sense that this country likes to go after easy offences rather than hard ones. Middle class 'speeders' are the easy target.
Isn't it swings and roundabouts though.
In 51 years of driving I have been caught on cameras twice. Once was points the other, the course. In both cases I thought they were unreasonable under the circumstances (for reasons I won't go into here). However it is only twice in 51 years and there must be dozens of times where I have been speed slightly and it wasn't unreasonable to do me and I haven't been caught. So I take it on the chin.
I doubt a policeman would have booked me in either case taking into account the circumstance but cameras are cheaper than policeman.
On that front I have been stopped by the police 3 times and in all 3 cases let off and in all 3 cases I was in the wrong. In one case I had brain failure so a penalty would have been pointless, but in the other two I was banged to rights and they used their discretion. Two of the instances were quite funny stories, but too embarrassing to tell here.
People have admitted to smashing whores, driving a Ford Galaxy and voting UKIP on here. What is left that is too embarrassing?
Statisically speaking and assuming a number of people posting here is about 500 though most are irregular posters then there is about a 5% chance one of us is a serial killer and hasn't bared their soul here
What? That can't be right, surely. 1 in (500*20=) 10000 people is a serial killer? Or are you controlling for the fact that very odd people are more likely to be drawn to pb.com?
How many posters DO we have? My FITA guess is that 98% of posts are from around 120 people - and for the past four years or so it's been give or take 5%, the same 120 people. I wonder how many lurkers we have?
I think the serial killers will be lurkers rather than regular posters. Still not a great thought.
Morning All. Like kjh i’ve been on one of these courses, and like him found it interesting. I suspect that if Braverman had gone on the course it would’ve been a nine days wonder, but a lot of people here would’ve said ‘good on her’ for doing it. I think that she’s now got the worst of all possible worlds, as has Sunak.
I've been on one too, and found it less interesting. My crime was 27 in a 30 in anti-car Bath. The section of road at 20 comes after sections at 60, then 30, then 40 then 30 in the space of about a mile. Since my 'offence' huge areas of Bath have become 20 limits (all the hills from the South side at least are now 20).
Many on my course had been driving far faster than me in areas with much higher limits. After the course I still felt wrongfully 'convicted' and only came away with a sense that this country likes to go after easy offences rather than hard ones. Middle class 'speeders' are the easy target.
Isn't it swings and roundabouts though.
In 51 years of driving I have been caught on cameras twice. Once was points the other, the course. In both cases I thought they were unreasonable under the circumstances (for reasons I won't go into here). However it is only twice in 51 years and there must be dozens of times where I have been speed slightly and it wasn't unreasonable to do me and I haven't been caught. So I take it on the chin.
I doubt a policeman would have booked me in either case taking into account the circumstance but cameras are cheaper than policeman.
On that front I have been stopped by the police 3 times and in all 3 cases let off and in all 3 cases I was in the wrong. In one case I had brain failure so a penalty would have been pointless, but in the other two I was banged to rights and they used their discretion. Two of the instances were quite funny stories, but too embarrassing to tell here.
People have admitted to smashing whores, driving a Ford Galaxy and voting UKIP on here. What is left that is too embarrassing?
Statisically speaking and assuming a number of people posting here is about 500 though most are irregular posters then there is about a 5% chance one of us is a serial killer and hasn't bared their soul here
What? That can't be right, surely. 1 in (500*20=) 10000 people is a serial killer? Or are you controlling for the fact that very odd people are more likely to be drawn to pb.com?
How many posters DO we have? My FITA guess is that 98% of posts are from around 120 people - and for the past four years or so it's been give or take 5%, the same 120 people. I wonder how many lurkers we have?
apparently the % of serial killers is about 1 in 10000 with the proclivity....its not necessarily those that actually go on to do it. The stats on that seem hard to find, given that most highflyers in companies are suspected to be sociopaths to some degree then it does not seem out of line
OK, so that's 7000 potential serial killers in the UK. But even if all the murders are done by serial killers, and even if they're averaging one murder a year (which would be a really peculiar detective novel), that's still 90% of potential serial killers managing to resist the urge. Let's focus on the positives here.
As someone pointed out with shipman, not all murders are counted as murders at the time. We only have a figure for murders per year that are obviously murders. About 11k a year simply go missing in the uk some of those will be murders for example
Speaking of boring journeys I am 5 hours into a 10 hour drive to Cairo. Come on PB, entertain me. This scintilla of an iota of a microdot of a Suella Braverman scandal isn’t really doing it
This Braverman story is depressingly predictable. The people who peddle the 'she's got to go' narrative are largely the same people that hate her anyway. She will argue with some justification that she is being sabotaged by the civil service and the establishment, similar to what happened in the Dominic Raab episode, because her policies are 'beyond the pale'. This won't lead to Braverman and Raab sulking off and going away over the long term. They will return insisting that the entire civil service needs to be scrapped. And people will look at the facts and agree with them.
Yeah, no they won't. People trust the civil service more than they trust ministers.
Can you point to a poll that shows that. In my experience most people think that civil servants and council employees are in the least trustworthy. Council employees being the least trusted. Much like no one trusts the police
Farooq is right, and it's not even remotely close:
Morning All. Like kjh i’ve been on one of these courses, and like him found it interesting. I suspect that if Braverman had gone on the course it would’ve been a nine days wonder, but a lot of people here would’ve said ‘good on her’ for doing it. I think that she’s now got the worst of all possible worlds, as has Sunak.
I've been on one too, and found it less interesting. My crime was 27 in a 30 in anti-car Bath. The section of road at 20 comes after sections at 60, then 30, then 40 then 30 in the space of about a mile. Since my 'offence' huge areas of Bath have become 20 limits (all the hills from the South side at least are now 20).
Many on my course had been driving far faster than me in areas with much higher limits. After the course I still felt wrongfully 'convicted' and only came away with a sense that this country likes to go after easy offences rather than hard ones. Middle class 'speeders' are the easy target.
Isn't it swings and roundabouts though.
In 51 years of driving I have been caught on cameras twice. Once was points the other, the course. In both cases I thought they were unreasonable under the circumstances (for reasons I won't go into here). However it is only twice in 51 years and there must be dozens of times where I have been speed slightly and it wasn't unreasonable to do me and I haven't been caught. So I take it on the chin.
I doubt a policeman would have booked me in either case taking into account the circumstance but cameras are cheaper than policeman.
On that front I have been stopped by the police 3 times and in all 3 cases let off and in all 3 cases I was in the wrong. In one case I had brain failure so a penalty would have been pointless, but in the other two I was banged to rights and they used their discretion. Two of the instances were quite funny stories, but too embarrassing to tell here.
People have admitted to smashing whores, driving a Ford Galaxy and voting UKIP on here. What is left that is too embarrassing?
Statisically speaking and assuming a number of people posting here is about 500 though most are irregular posters then there is about a 5% chance one of us is a serial killer and hasn't bared their soul here
What? That can't be right, surely. 1 in (500*20=) 10000 people is a serial killer? Or are you controlling for the fact that very odd people are more likely to be drawn to pb.com?
How many posters DO we have? My FITA guess is that 98% of posts are from around 120 people - and for the past four years or so it's been give or take 5%, the same 120 people. I wonder how many lurkers we have?
apparently the % of serial killers is about 1 in 10000 with the proclivity....its not necessarily those that actually go on to do it. The stats on that seem hard to find, given that most highflyers in companies are suspected to be sociopaths to some degree then it does not seem out of line
OK, so that's 7000 potential serial killers in the UK. But even if all the murders are done by serial killers, and even if they're averaging one murder a year (which would be a really peculiar detective novel), that's still 90% of potential serial killers managing to resist the urge. Let's focus on the positives here.
I was just in Hurghada with a Sun journalist who had brilliant/scary crime stories (and tons of excellent gossip - OMG Nicola Sturgeon!) - ANYWAY he said recently he’d been working on a series on “Britain’s youngest criminals” and they had unearthed a serial killer age… 12
This Braverman story is depressingly predictable. The people who peddle the 'she's got to go' narrative are largely the same people that hate her anyway. She will argue with some justification that she is being sabotaged by the civil service and the establishment, similar to what happened in the Dominic Raab episode, because her policies are 'beyond the pale'. This won't lead to Braverman and Raab sulking off and going away over the long term. They will return insisting that the entire civil service needs to be scrapped. And people will look at the facts and agree with them.
Yeah, no they won't. People trust the civil service more than they trust ministers.
Can you point to a poll that shows that. In my experience most people think that civil servants and council employees are in the least trustworthy. Council employees being the least trusted. Much like no one trusts the police
Farooq is right, and it's not even remotely close:
Speaking of boring journeys I am 5 hours into a 10 hour drive to Cairo. Come on PB, entertain me. This scintilla of an iota of a microdot of a Suella Braverman scandal isn’t really doing it
You could always post some pictures of your lunch, scenic views and comic capers by the locals and come back and view them later on in your journey.
Labour Tory's just more hypocrites Looks like Rachel Reeves deleted her tweet after realising you could see her seat is 3K and therefore in first class 🫢
Which costs around £11,000…!
I would imagine it's more likely to be a free upgrade from business class.
I think the press have reported the seat was business class. People on Twitter, and Malcolm, have upgraded it to first class in their own heads as it sounds better.
That makes more sense. It's a work trip so I don't really understand the outrage.
Fairly outrageous to go First from LHR-JFK
It’s only 7hours. Not enough time for a real sleep. First is £9k? Biz is about £3k?
I speak as someone used to budget conditions and I can assure her Biz is tolerable
A subsequent post from a PB air travel expert argued that the aircraft in question doesn't have a first class cabin so the seat was in business class. It's clearly a nothingburger of a story thrown into the midst to deflect from the story about Cruella not wanting to do her speed awareness course without the plebs.
Labour Tory's just more hypocrites Looks like Rachel Reeves deleted her tweet after realising you could see her seat is 3K and therefore in first class 🫢
Which costs around £11,000…!
I would imagine it's more likely to be a free upgrade from business class.
I think the press have reported the seat was business class. People on Twitter, and Malcolm, have upgraded it to first class in their own heads as it sounds better.
That makes more sense. It's a work trip so I don't really understand the outrage.
Fairly outrageous to go First from LHR-JFK
It’s only 7hours. Not enough time for a real sleep. First is £9k? Biz is about £3k?
I speak as someone used to budget conditions and I can assure her Biz is tolerable
A subsequent post from a PB air travel expert argued that the aircraft in question doesn't have a first class cabin so the seat was in business class. It's clearly a nothingburger of a story thrown into the midst to deflect from the story about Cruella not wanting to do her speed awareness course without the plebs.
We should reintroduce the pillory for politicians that break the law, think of the tourism increase. For once they could actually do good for their country
Morning All. Like kjh i’ve been on one of these courses, and like him found it interesting. I suspect that if Braverman had gone on the course it would’ve been a nine days wonder, but a lot of people here would’ve said ‘good on her’ for doing it. I think that she’s now got the worst of all possible worlds, as has Sunak.
I've been on one too, and found it less interesting. My crime was 27 in a 30 in anti-car Bath. The section of road at 20 comes after sections at 60, then 30, then 40 then 30 in the space of about a mile. Since my 'offence' huge areas of Bath have become 20 limits (all the hills from the South side at least are now 20).
Many on my course had been driving far faster than me in areas with much higher limits. After the course I still felt wrongfully 'convicted' and only came away with a sense that this country likes to go after easy offences rather than hard ones. Middle class 'speeders' are the easy target.
Isn't it swings and roundabouts though.
In 51 years of driving I have been caught on cameras twice. Once was points the other, the course. In both cases I thought they were unreasonable under the circumstances (for reasons I won't go into here). However it is only twice in 51 years and there must be dozens of times where I have been speed slightly and it wasn't unreasonable to do me and I haven't been caught. So I take it on the chin.
I doubt a policeman would have booked me in either case taking into account the circumstance but cameras are cheaper than policeman.
On that front I have been stopped by the police 3 times and in all 3 cases let off and in all 3 cases I was in the wrong. In one case I had brain failure so a penalty would have been pointless, but in the other two I was banged to rights and they used their discretion. Two of the instances were quite funny stories, but too embarrassing to tell here.
People have admitted to smashing whores, driving a Ford Galaxy and voting UKIP on here. What is left that is too embarrassing?
Statisically speaking and assuming a number of people posting here is about 500 though most are irregular posters then there is about a 5% chance one of us is a serial killer and hasn't bared their soul here
What? That can't be right, surely. 1 in (500*20=) 10000 people is a serial killer? Or are you controlling for the fact that very odd people are more likely to be drawn to pb.com?
How many posters DO we have? My FITA guess is that 98% of posts are from around 120 people - and for the past four years or so it's been give or take 5%, the same 120 people. I wonder how many lurkers we have?
I think the serial killers will be lurkers rather than regular posters. Still not a great thought.
What are the odds that one of Leon's alter egos... ?
Morning All. Like kjh i’ve been on one of these courses, and like him found it interesting. I suspect that if Braverman had gone on the course it would’ve been a nine days wonder, but a lot of people here would’ve said ‘good on her’ for doing it. I think that she’s now got the worst of all possible worlds, as has Sunak.
I've been on one too, and found it less interesting. My crime was 27 in a 30 in anti-car Bath. The section of road at 20 comes after sections at 60, then 30, then 40 then 30 in the space of about a mile. Since my 'offence' huge areas of Bath have become 20 limits (all the hills from the South side at least are now 20).
Many on my course had been driving far faster than me in areas with much higher limits. After the course I still felt wrongfully 'convicted' and only came away with a sense that this country likes to go after easy offences rather than hard ones. Middle class 'speeders' are the easy target.
Isn't it swings and roundabouts though.
In 51 years of driving I have been caught on cameras twice. Once was points the other, the course. In both cases I thought they were unreasonable under the circumstances (for reasons I won't go into here). However it is only twice in 51 years and there must be dozens of times where I have been speed slightly and it wasn't unreasonable to do me and I haven't been caught. So I take it on the chin.
I doubt a policeman would have booked me in either case taking into account the circumstance but cameras are cheaper than policeman.
On that front I have been stopped by the police 3 times and in all 3 cases let off and in all 3 cases I was in the wrong. In one case I had brain failure so a penalty would have been pointless, but in the other two I was banged to rights and they used their discretion. Two of the instances were quite funny stories, but too embarrassing to tell here.
People have admitted to smashing whores, driving a Ford Galaxy and voting UKIP on here. What is left that is too embarrassing?
Statisically speaking and assuming a number of people posting here is about 500 though most are irregular posters then there is about a 5% chance one of us is a serial killer and hasn't bared their soul here
What? That can't be right, surely. 1 in (500*20=) 10000 people is a serial killer? Or are you controlling for the fact that very odd people are more likely to be drawn to pb.com?
How many posters DO we have? My FITA guess is that 98% of posts are from around 120 people - and for the past four years or so it's been give or take 5%, the same 120 people. I wonder how many lurkers we have?
apparently the % of serial killers is about 1 in 10000 with the proclivity....its not necessarily those that actually go on to do it. The stats on that seem hard to find, given that most highflyers in companies are suspected to be sociopaths to some degree then it does not seem out of line
OK, so that's 7000 potential serial killers in the UK. But even if all the murders are done by serial killers, and even if they're averaging one murder a year (which would be a really peculiar detective novel), that's still 90% of potential serial killers managing to resist the urge. Let's focus on the positives here.
I was just in Hurghada with a Sun journalist who had brilliant/scary crime stories (and tons of excellent gossip - OMG Nicola Sturgeon!) - ANYWAY he said recently he’d been working on a series on “Britain’s youngest criminals” and they had unearthed a serial killer age… 12
Morning All. Like kjh i’ve been on one of these courses, and like him found it interesting. I suspect that if Braverman had gone on the course it would’ve been a nine days wonder, but a lot of people here would’ve said ‘good on her’ for doing it. I think that she’s now got the worst of all possible worlds, as has Sunak.
I've been on one too, and found it less interesting. My crime was 27 in a 30 in anti-car Bath. The section of road at 20 comes after sections at 60, then 30, then 40 then 30 in the space of about a mile. Since my 'offence' huge areas of Bath have become 20 limits (all the hills from the South side at least are now 20).
Many on my course had been driving far faster than me in areas with much higher limits. After the course I still felt wrongfully 'convicted' and only came away with a sense that this country likes to go after easy offences rather than hard ones. Middle class 'speeders' are the easy target.
Isn't it swings and roundabouts though.
In 51 years of driving I have been caught on cameras twice. Once was points the other, the course. In both cases I thought they were unreasonable under the circumstances (for reasons I won't go into here). However it is only twice in 51 years and there must be dozens of times where I have been speed slightly and it wasn't unreasonable to do me and I haven't been caught. So I take it on the chin.
I doubt a policeman would have booked me in either case taking into account the circumstance but cameras are cheaper than policeman.
On that front I have been stopped by the police 3 times and in all 3 cases let off and in all 3 cases I was in the wrong. In one case I had brain failure so a penalty would have been pointless, but in the other two I was banged to rights and they used their discretion. Two of the instances were quite funny stories, but too embarrassing to tell here.
People have admitted to smashing whores, driving a Ford Galaxy and voting UKIP on here. What is left that is too embarrassing?
Statisically speaking and assuming a number of people posting here is about 500 though most are irregular posters then there is about a 5% chance one of us is a serial killer and hasn't bared their soul here
What? That can't be right, surely. 1 in (500*20=) 10000 people is a serial killer? Or are you controlling for the fact that very odd people are more likely to be drawn to pb.com?
How many posters DO we have? My FITA guess is that 98% of posts are from around 120 people - and for the past four years or so it's been give or take 5%, the same 120 people. I wonder how many lurkers we have?
I think the serial killers will be lurkers rather than regular posters. Still not a great thought.
What are the odds that one of Leon's alter egos... ?
Morning All. Like kjh i’ve been on one of these courses, and like him found it interesting. I suspect that if Braverman had gone on the course it would’ve been a nine days wonder, but a lot of people here would’ve said ‘good on her’ for doing it. I think that she’s now got the worst of all possible worlds, as has Sunak.
As a law abiding citizen I have never been on such a course. Interesting to learn of it from all the law breakers on PB.
I've never been on one. It's the softcock way out. Plead not guilty and if you don't get away with it; wear your points with pride.
Morning All. Like kjh i’ve been on one of these courses, and like him found it interesting. I suspect that if Braverman had gone on the course it would’ve been a nine days wonder, but a lot of people here would’ve said ‘good on her’ for doing it. I think that she’s now got the worst of all possible worlds, as has Sunak.
As a law abiding citizen I have never been on such a course. Interesting to learn of it from all the law breakers on PB.
I've never been on one. It's the softcock way out. Plead not guilty and if you don't get away with it; wear your points with pride.
It was interesting and I learned a few things, such as why there are often miles of restrictions on motorways when no-one working. Apparently the new surface takes a while to finally settle down. However it’s a very long time since the course and a long time …..over a year ….since I’ve even driven. Sadly.
I agree, I learnt some useful things on the course I attended - such as what defines a dual-carriageway and thus the 70mph versus 60mph speed limit.
However, it was also a long time ago I attended mine. Fortunately, Surrey police have recently invited me to a refresher. ;-)
Morning All. Like kjh i’ve been on one of these courses, and like him found it interesting. I suspect that if Braverman had gone on the course it would’ve been a nine days wonder, but a lot of people here would’ve said ‘good on her’ for doing it. I think that she’s now got the worst of all possible worlds, as has Sunak.
I've been on one too, and found it less interesting. My crime was 27 in a 30 in anti-car Bath. The section of road at 20 comes after sections at 60, then 30, then 40 then 30 in the space of about a mile. Since my 'offence' huge areas of Bath have become 20 limits (all the hills from the South side at least are now 20).
Many on my course had been driving far faster than me in areas with much higher limits. After the course I still felt wrongfully 'convicted' and only came away with a sense that this country likes to go after easy offences rather than hard ones. Middle class 'speeders' are the easy target.
Isn't it swings and roundabouts though.
In 51 years of driving I have been caught on cameras twice. Once was points the other, the course. In both cases I thought they were unreasonable under the circumstances (for reasons I won't go into here). However it is only twice in 51 years and there must be dozens of times where I have been speed slightly and it wasn't unreasonable to do me and I haven't been caught. So I take it on the chin.
I doubt a policeman would have booked me in either case taking into account the circumstance but cameras are cheaper than policeman.
On that front I have been stopped by the police 3 times and in all 3 cases let off and in all 3 cases I was in the wrong. In one case I had brain failure so a penalty would have been pointless, but in the other two I was banged to rights and they used their discretion. Two of the instances were quite funny stories, but too embarrassing to tell here.
People have admitted to smashing whores, driving a Ford Galaxy and voting UKIP on here. What is left that is too embarrassing?
Statisically speaking and assuming a number of people posting here is about 500 though most are irregular posters then there is about a 5% chance one of us is a serial killer and hasn't bared their soul here
Umm - you think that one in 10,000 is a serial killer? That's bold. There are around 600 or so murders in the UK each year. There are around 70 million people in the UK. Simple maths makes it 7,000 serial killers. They can't be that active...
They are British. Therefore they are waiting in an orderly queue to commit their murders.
Speaking of boring journeys I am 5 hours into a 10 hour drive to Cairo. Come on PB, entertain me. This scintilla of an iota of a microdot of a Suella Braverman scandal isn’t really doing it
In 1991 I did Hurghada to Cairo overnight in a taxi with two college friends and several Germans. We were stopped by the militarised police people and had the taxi ripped apart ostensibly searching for drugs (there were none, as it happened; but what they were actually after was their pay-off) before we were left to piece the taxi back together with the driver, in the dark, and continue on our way.
The driver was unphased, and we had learned to just go with the flow by that time as we'd been there about a month.
Morning All. Like kjh i’ve been on one of these courses, and like him found it interesting. I suspect that if Braverman had gone on the course it would’ve been a nine days wonder, but a lot of people here would’ve said ‘good on her’ for doing it. I think that she’s now got the worst of all possible worlds, as has Sunak.
I've been on one too, and found it less interesting. My crime was 27 in a 30 in anti-car Bath. The section of road at 20 comes after sections at 60, then 30, then 40 then 30 in the space of about a mile. Since my 'offence' huge areas of Bath have become 20 limits (all the hills from the South side at least are now 20).
Many on my course had been driving far faster than me in areas with much higher limits. After the course I still felt wrongfully 'convicted' and only came away with a sense that this country likes to go after easy offences rather than hard ones. Middle class 'speeders' are the easy target.
Isn't it swings and roundabouts though.
In 51 years of driving I have been caught on cameras twice. Once was points the other, the course. In both cases I thought they were unreasonable under the circumstances (for reasons I won't go into here). However it is only twice in 51 years and there must be dozens of times where I have been speed slightly and it wasn't unreasonable to do me and I haven't been caught. So I take it on the chin.
I doubt a policeman would have booked me in either case taking into account the circumstance but cameras are cheaper than policeman.
On that front I have been stopped by the police 3 times and in all 3 cases let off and in all 3 cases I was in the wrong. In one case I had brain failure so a penalty would have been pointless, but in the other two I was banged to rights and they used their discretion. Two of the instances were quite funny stories, but too embarrassing to tell here.
People have admitted to smashing whores, driving a Ford Galaxy and voting UKIP on here. What is left that is too embarrassing?
Buying pre-flaked Parmesan was a depravity too far.
Morning All. Like kjh i’ve been on one of these courses, and like him found it interesting. I suspect that if Braverman had gone on the course it would’ve been a nine days wonder, but a lot of people here would’ve said ‘good on her’ for doing it. I think that she’s now got the worst of all possible worlds, as has Sunak.
I've been on one too, and found it less interesting. My crime was 27 in a 30 in anti-car Bath. The section of road at 20 comes after sections at 60, then 30, then 40 then 30 in the space of about a mile. Since my 'offence' huge areas of Bath have become 20 limits (all the hills from the South side at least are now 20).
Many on my course had been driving far faster than me in areas with much higher limits. After the course I still felt wrongfully 'convicted' and only came away with a sense that this country likes to go after easy offences rather than hard ones. Middle class 'speeders' are the easy target.
Isn't it swings and roundabouts though.
In 51 years of driving I have been caught on cameras twice. Once was points the other, the course. In both cases I thought they were unreasonable under the circumstances (for reasons I won't go into here). However it is only twice in 51 years and there must be dozens of times where I have been speed slightly and it wasn't unreasonable to do me and I haven't been caught. So I take it on the chin.
I doubt a policeman would have booked me in either case taking into account the circumstance but cameras are cheaper than policeman.
On that front I have been stopped by the police 3 times and in all 3 cases let off and in all 3 cases I was in the wrong. In one case I had brain failure so a penalty would have been pointless, but in the other two I was banged to rights and they used their discretion. Two of the instances were quite funny stories, but too embarrassing to tell here.
People have admitted to smashing whores, driving a Ford Galaxy and voting UKIP on here. What is left that is too embarrassing?
Statisically speaking and assuming a number of people posting here is about 500 though most are irregular posters then there is about a 5% chance one of us is a serial killer and hasn't bared their soul here
What? That can't be right, surely. 1 in (500*20=) 10000 people is a serial killer? Or are you controlling for the fact that very odd people are more likely to be drawn to pb.com?
How many posters DO we have? My FITA guess is that 98% of posts are from around 120 people - and for the past four years or so it's been give or take 5%, the same 120 people. I wonder how many lurkers we have?
apparently the % of serial killers is about 1 in 10000 with the proclivity....its not necessarily those that actually go on to do it. The stats on that seem hard to find, given that most highflyers in companies are suspected to be sociopaths to some degree then it does not seem out of line
OK, so that's 7000 potential serial killers in the UK. But even if all the murders are done by serial killers, and even if they're averaging one murder a year (which would be a really peculiar detective novel), that's still 90% of potential serial killers managing to resist the urge. Let's focus on the positives here.
I was just in Hurghada with a Sun journalist who had brilliant/scary crime stories (and tons of excellent gossip - OMG Nicola Sturgeon!) - ANYWAY he said recently he’d been working on a series on “Britain’s youngest criminals” and they had unearthed a serial killer age… 12
This Braverman story is depressingly predictable. The people who peddle the 'she's got to go' narrative are largely the same people that hate her anyway. She will argue with some justification that she is being sabotaged by the civil service and the establishment, similar to what happened in the Dominic Raab episode, because her policies are 'beyond the pale'. This won't lead to Braverman and Raab sulking off and going away over the long term. They will return insisting that the entire civil service needs to be scrapped. And people will look at the facts and agree with them.
Yeah, no they won't. People trust the civil service more than they trust ministers.
Can you point to a poll that shows that. In my experience most people think that civil servants and council employees are in the least trustworthy. Council employees being the least trusted. Much like no one trusts the police
Farooq is right, and it's not even remotely close:
Morning All. Like kjh i’ve been on one of these courses, and like him found it interesting. I suspect that if Braverman had gone on the course it would’ve been a nine days wonder, but a lot of people here would’ve said ‘good on her’ for doing it. I think that she’s now got the worst of all possible worlds, as has Sunak.
I've been on one too, and found it less interesting. My crime was 27 in a 30 in anti-car Bath. The section of road at 20 comes after sections at 60, then 30, then 40 then 30 in the space of about a mile. Since my 'offence' huge areas of Bath have become 20 limits (all the hills from the South side at least are now 20).
Many on my course had been driving far faster than me in areas with much higher limits. After the course I still felt wrongfully 'convicted' and only came away with a sense that this country likes to go after easy offences rather than hard ones. Middle class 'speeders' are the easy target.
Isn't it swings and roundabouts though.
In 51 years of driving I have been caught on cameras twice. Once was points the other, the course. In both cases I thought they were unreasonable under the circumstances (for reasons I won't go into here). However it is only twice in 51 years and there must be dozens of times where I have been speed slightly and it wasn't unreasonable to do me and I haven't been caught. So I take it on the chin.
I doubt a policeman would have booked me in either case taking into account the circumstance but cameras are cheaper than policeman.
On that front I have been stopped by the police 3 times and in all 3 cases let off and in all 3 cases I was in the wrong. In one case I had brain failure so a penalty would have been pointless, but in the other two I was banged to rights and they used their discretion. Two of the instances were quite funny stories, but too embarrassing to tell here.
People have admitted to smashing whores, driving a Ford Galaxy and voting UKIP on here. What is left that is too embarrassing?
Statisically speaking and assuming a number of people posting here is about 500 though most are irregular posters then there is about a 5% chance one of us is a serial killer and hasn't bared their soul here
What? That can't be right, surely. 1 in (500*20=) 10000 people is a serial killer? Or are you controlling for the fact that very odd people are more likely to be drawn to pb.com?
How many posters DO we have? My FITA guess is that 98% of posts are from around 120 people - and for the past four years or so it's been give or take 5%, the same 120 people. I wonder how many lurkers we have?
apparently the % of serial killers is about 1 in 10000 with the proclivity....its not necessarily those that actually go on to do it. The stats on that seem hard to find, given that most highflyers in companies are suspected to be sociopaths to some degree then it does not seem out of line
OK, so that's 7000 potential serial killers in the UK. But even if all the murders are done by serial killers, and even if they're averaging one murder a year (which would be a really peculiar detective novel), that's still 90% of potential serial killers managing to resist the urge. Let's focus on the positives here.
As someone pointed out with shipman, not all murders are counted as murders at the time. We only have a figure for murders per year that are obviously murders. About 11k a year simply go missing in the uk some of those will be murders for example
Where's that figure from? I don't think it's anything like correct.
There are about 350k missing person calls every year, but that relates to only about 150k people (as quite a lot are people who regularly go missing for a period of time). About 99% of those are cleared up within a year - either because the person turns up alive or, less commonly, dead (in which case the cause of death would be recorded including if foul play is suspected).
So that's about 1,500 each year who are missing for over a year. Some of those will be included in the murder statistics already as they will include cases where a murder investigation is opened in the absence of a body. Quite a few will be people who have quite deliberately gone missing and don't want to be found - and Police will stop looking if there's evidence of that and the individual isn't wanted by them for other reasons. A few will be unreported murders, although quite often by the people who reported them missing ("I'm terribly worried about my wife, officer...")
So no doubt a few, but 11k cannot possibly be right.
Speaking of boring journeys I am 5 hours into a 10 hour drive to Cairo. Come on PB, entertain me. This scintilla of an iota of a microdot of a Suella Braverman scandal isn’t really doing it
"I am big. It's the scandals that got small."
Actually, Sunset Boulevard is pretty good when describing the current lot.
“The whole place seemed to have been stricken with a kind of creeping paralysis—out of beat with the rest of the world, crumbling apart in slow motion.”
"Sometimes it's interesting to see just how bad—bad governing can be. This promised to go the limit.”
Morning All. Like kjh i’ve been on one of these courses, and like him found it interesting. I suspect that if Braverman had gone on the course it would’ve been a nine days wonder, but a lot of people here would’ve said ‘good on her’ for doing it. I think that she’s now got the worst of all possible worlds, as has Sunak.
I've been on one too, and found it less interesting. My crime was 27 in a 30 in anti-car Bath. The section of road at 20 comes after sections at 60, then 30, then 40 then 30 in the space of about a mile. Since my 'offence' huge areas of Bath have become 20 limits (all the hills from the South side at least are now 20).
Many on my course had been driving far faster than me in areas with much higher limits. After the course I still felt wrongfully 'convicted' and only came away with a sense that this country likes to go after easy offences rather than hard ones. Middle class 'speeders' are the easy target.
Isn't it swings and roundabouts though.
In 51 years of driving I have been caught on cameras twice. Once was points the other, the course. In both cases I thought they were unreasonable under the circumstances (for reasons I won't go into here). However it is only twice in 51 years and there must be dozens of times where I have been speed slightly and it wasn't unreasonable to do me and I haven't been caught. So I take it on the chin.
I doubt a policeman would have booked me in either case taking into account the circumstance but cameras are cheaper than policeman.
On that front I have been stopped by the police 3 times and in all 3 cases let off and in all 3 cases I was in the wrong. In one case I had brain failure so a penalty would have been pointless, but in the other two I was banged to rights and they used their discretion. Two of the instances were quite funny stories, but too embarrassing to tell here.
People have admitted to smashing whores, driving a Ford Galaxy and voting UKIP on here. What is left that is too embarrassing?
Statisically speaking and assuming a number of people posting here is about 500 though most are irregular posters then there is about a 5% chance one of us is a serial killer and hasn't bared their soul here
Speaking of boring journeys I am 5 hours into a 10 hour drive to Cairo. Come on PB, entertain me. This scintilla of an iota of a microdot of a Suella Braverman scandal isn’t really doing it
Would a by-election help at all?
Margaret Ferrier has just lost her appeal, so commons will now vote on suspension. She has no allies left so it will pass easily, and that opens a recall petition in Rutherglen.
Morning All. Like kjh i’ve been on one of these courses, and like him found it interesting. I suspect that if Braverman had gone on the course it would’ve been a nine days wonder, but a lot of people here would’ve said ‘good on her’ for doing it. I think that she’s now got the worst of all possible worlds, as has Sunak.
I've been on one too, and found it less interesting. My crime was 27 in a 30 in anti-car Bath. The section of road at 20 comes after sections at 60, then 30, then 40 then 30 in the space of about a mile. Since my 'offence' huge areas of Bath have become 20 limits (all the hills from the South side at least are now 20).
Many on my course had been driving far faster than me in areas with much higher limits. After the course I still felt wrongfully 'convicted' and only came away with a sense that this country likes to go after easy offences rather than hard ones. Middle class 'speeders' are the easy target.
Isn't it swings and roundabouts though.
In 51 years of driving I have been caught on cameras twice. Once was points the other, the course. In both cases I thought they were unreasonable under the circumstances (for reasons I won't go into here). However it is only twice in 51 years and there must be dozens of times where I have been speed slightly and it wasn't unreasonable to do me and I haven't been caught. So I take it on the chin.
I doubt a policeman would have booked me in either case taking into account the circumstance but cameras are cheaper than policeman.
On that front I have been stopped by the police 3 times and in all 3 cases let off and in all 3 cases I was in the wrong. In one case I had brain failure so a penalty would have been pointless, but in the other two I was banged to rights and they used their discretion. Two of the instances were quite funny stories, but too embarrassing to tell here.
People have admitted to smashing whores, driving a Ford Galaxy and voting UKIP on here. What is left that is too embarrassing?
Statisically speaking and assuming a number of people posting here is about 500 though most are irregular posters then there is about a 5% chance one of us is a serial killer and hasn't bared their soul here
What? That can't be right, surely. 1 in (500*20=) 10000 people is a serial killer? Or are you controlling for the fact that very odd people are more likely to be drawn to pb.com?
How many posters DO we have? My FITA guess is that 98% of posts are from around 120 people - and for the past four years or so it's been give or take 5%, the same 120 people. I wonder how many lurkers we have?
apparently the % of serial killers is about 1 in 10000 with the proclivity....its not necessarily those that actually go on to do it. The stats on that seem hard to find, given that most highflyers in companies are suspected to be sociopaths to some degree then it does not seem out of line
OK, so that's 7000 potential serial killers in the UK. But even if all the murders are done by serial killers, and even if they're averaging one murder a year (which would be a really peculiar detective novel), that's still 90% of potential serial killers managing to resist the urge. Let's focus on the positives here.
As someone pointed out with shipman, not all murders are counted as murders at the time. We only have a figure for murders per year that are obviously murders. About 11k a year simply go missing in the uk some of those will be murders for example
Where's that figure from? I don't think it's anything like correct.
There are about 350k missing person calls every year, but that relates to only about 150k people (as quite a lot are people who regularly go missing for a period of time). About 99% of those are cleared up within a year - either because the person turns up alive or, less commonly, dead (in which case the cause of death would be recorded including if foul play is suspected).
So that's about 1,500 each year who are missing for over a year. Some of those will be included in the murder statistics already as they will include cases where a murder investigation is opened in the absence of a body. Quite a few will be people who have quite deliberately gone missing and don't want to be found - and Police will stop looking if there's evidence of that and the individual isn't wanted by them for other reasons. A few will be unreported murders, although quite often by the people who reported them missing ("I'm terribly worried about my wife, officer...")
So no doubt a few, but 11k cannot possibly be right.
Pagan2 has a rather bleak view of the world. Fortunately it doesn’t seem to be an accurate one.
Morning All. Like kjh i’ve been on one of these courses, and like him found it interesting. I suspect that if Braverman had gone on the course it would’ve been a nine days wonder, but a lot of people here would’ve said ‘good on her’ for doing it. I think that she’s now got the worst of all possible worlds, as has Sunak.
I've been on one too, and found it less interesting. My crime was 27 in a 30 in anti-car Bath. The section of road at 20 comes after sections at 60, then 30, then 40 then 30 in the space of about a mile. Since my 'offence' huge areas of Bath have become 20 limits (all the hills from the South side at least are now 20).
Many on my course had been driving far faster than me in areas with much higher limits. After the course I still felt wrongfully 'convicted' and only came away with a sense that this country likes to go after easy offences rather than hard ones. Middle class 'speeders' are the easy target.
Isn't it swings and roundabouts though.
In 51 years of driving I have been caught on cameras twice. Once was points the other, the course. In both cases I thought they were unreasonable under the circumstances (for reasons I won't go into here). However it is only twice in 51 years and there must be dozens of times where I have been speed slightly and it wasn't unreasonable to do me and I haven't been caught. So I take it on the chin.
I doubt a policeman would have booked me in either case taking into account the circumstance but cameras are cheaper than policeman.
On that front I have been stopped by the police 3 times and in all 3 cases let off and in all 3 cases I was in the wrong. In one case I had brain failure so a penalty would have been pointless, but in the other two I was banged to rights and they used their discretion. Two of the instances were quite funny stories, but too embarrassing to tell here.
People have admitted to smashing whores, driving a Ford Galaxy and voting UKIP on here. What is left that is too embarrassing?
Statisically speaking and assuming a number of people posting here is about 500 though most are irregular posters then there is about a 5% chance one of us is a serial killer and hasn't bared their soul here
Umm - you think that one in 10,000 is a serial killer? That's bold. There are around 600 or so murders in the UK each year. There are around 70 million people in the UK. Simple maths makes it 7,000 serial killers. They can't be that active...
How many of Dr Shipman’s victims were counted as murders when they died?
There’s a serial killer living amongst us!
Aren't we just having the in person electoral fraud argument written on a bigger canvas here?
Morning All. Like kjh i’ve been on one of these courses, and like him found it interesting. I suspect that if Braverman had gone on the course it would’ve been a nine days wonder, but a lot of people here would’ve said ‘good on her’ for doing it. I think that she’s now got the worst of all possible worlds, as has Sunak.
I've been on one too, and found it less interesting. My crime was 27 in a 30 in anti-car Bath. The section of road at 20 comes after sections at 60, then 30, then 40 then 30 in the space of about a mile. Since my 'offence' huge areas of Bath have become 20 limits (all the hills from the South side at least are now 20).
Many on my course had been driving far faster than me in areas with much higher limits. After the course I still felt wrongfully 'convicted' and only came away with a sense that this country likes to go after easy offences rather than hard ones. Middle class 'speeders' are the easy target.
Isn't it swings and roundabouts though.
In 51 years of driving I have been caught on cameras twice. Once was points the other, the course. In both cases I thought they were unreasonable under the circumstances (for reasons I won't go into here). However it is only twice in 51 years and there must be dozens of times where I have been speed slightly and it wasn't unreasonable to do me and I haven't been caught. So I take it on the chin.
I doubt a policeman would have booked me in either case taking into account the circumstance but cameras are cheaper than policeman.
On that front I have been stopped by the police 3 times and in all 3 cases let off and in all 3 cases I was in the wrong. In one case I had brain failure so a penalty would have been pointless, but in the other two I was banged to rights and they used their discretion. Two of the instances were quite funny stories, but too embarrassing to tell here.
People have admitted to smashing whores, driving a Ford Galaxy and voting UKIP on here. What is left that is too embarrassing?
Statisically speaking and assuming a number of people posting here is about 500 though most are irregular posters then there is about a 5% chance one of us is a serial killer and hasn't bared their soul here
What? That can't be right, surely. 1 in (500*20=) 10000 people is a serial killer? Or are you controlling for the fact that very odd people are more likely to be drawn to pb.com?
How many posters DO we have? My FITA guess is that 98% of posts are from around 120 people - and for the past four years or so it's been give or take 5%, the same 120 people. I wonder how many lurkers we have?
apparently the % of serial killers is about 1 in 10000 with the proclivity....its not necessarily those that actually go on to do it. The stats on that seem hard to find, given that most highflyers in companies are suspected to be sociopaths to some degree then it does not seem out of line
OK, so that's 7000 potential serial killers in the UK. But even if all the murders are done by serial killers, and even if they're averaging one murder a year (which would be a really peculiar detective novel), that's still 90% of potential serial killers managing to resist the urge. Let's focus on the positives here.
I was just in Hurghada with a Sun journalist who had brilliant/scary crime stories (and tons of excellent gossip - OMG Nicola Sturgeon!) - ANYWAY he said recently he’d been working on a series on “Britain’s youngest criminals” and they had unearthed a serial killer age… 12
That article doesn't have a 12 year old "serial killer". They are a 12 year old "serial sex offender". Which is horrendous, of course, but I think Leon has exaggerated his anecdote a little for dramatic effect, in an historic first for PB.
Morning All. Like kjh i’ve been on one of these courses, and like him found it interesting. I suspect that if Braverman had gone on the course it would’ve been a nine days wonder, but a lot of people here would’ve said ‘good on her’ for doing it. I think that she’s now got the worst of all possible worlds, as has Sunak.
I've been on one too, and found it less interesting. My crime was 27 in a 30 in anti-car Bath. The section of road at 20 comes after sections at 60, then 30, then 40 then 30 in the space of about a mile. Since my 'offence' huge areas of Bath have become 20 limits (all the hills from the South side at least are now 20).
Many on my course had been driving far faster than me in areas with much higher limits. After the course I still felt wrongfully 'convicted' and only came away with a sense that this country likes to go after easy offences rather than hard ones. Middle class 'speeders' are the easy target.
Isn't it swings and roundabouts though.
In 51 years of driving I have been caught on cameras twice. Once was points the other, the course. In both cases I thought they were unreasonable under the circumstances (for reasons I won't go into here). However it is only twice in 51 years and there must be dozens of times where I have been speed slightly and it wasn't unreasonable to do me and I haven't been caught. So I take it on the chin.
I doubt a policeman would have booked me in either case taking into account the circumstance but cameras are cheaper than policeman.
On that front I have been stopped by the police 3 times and in all 3 cases let off and in all 3 cases I was in the wrong. In one case I had brain failure so a penalty would have been pointless, but in the other two I was banged to rights and they used their discretion. Two of the instances were quite funny stories, but too embarrassing to tell here.
People have admitted to smashing whores, driving a Ford Galaxy and voting UKIP on here. What is left that is too embarrassing?
Statisically speaking and assuming a number of people posting here is about 500 though most are irregular posters then there is about a 5% chance one of us is a serial killer and hasn't bared their soul here
What? That can't be right, surely. 1 in (500*20=) 10000 people is a serial killer? Or are you controlling for the fact that very odd people are more likely to be drawn to pb.com?
How many posters DO we have? My FITA guess is that 98% of posts are from around 120 people - and for the past four years or so it's been give or take 5%, the same 120 people. I wonder how many lurkers we have?
apparently the % of serial killers is about 1 in 10000 with the proclivity....its not necessarily those that actually go on to do it. The stats on that seem hard to find, given that most highflyers in companies are suspected to be sociopaths to some degree then it does not seem out of line
OK, so that's 7000 potential serial killers in the UK. But even if all the murders are done by serial killers, and even if they're averaging one murder a year (which would be a really peculiar detective novel), that's still 90% of potential serial killers managing to resist the urge. Let's focus on the positives here.
As someone pointed out with shipman, not all murders are counted as murders at the time. We only have a figure for murders per year that are obviously murders. About 11k a year simply go missing in the uk some of those will be murders for example
Where's that figure from? I don't think it's anything like correct.
There are about 350k missing person calls every year, but that relates to only about 150k people (as quite a lot are people who regularly go missing for a period of time). About 99% of those are cleared up within a year - either because the person turns up alive or, less commonly, dead (in which case the cause of death would be recorded including if foul play is suspected).
So that's about 1,500 each year who are missing for over a year. Some of those will be included in the murder statistics already as they will include cases where a murder investigation is opened in the absence of a body. Quite a few will be people who have quite deliberately gone missing and don't want to be found - and Police will stop looking if there's evidence of that and the individual isn't wanted by them for other reasons. A few will be unreported murders, although quite often by the people who reported them missing ("I'm terribly worried about my wife, officer...")
So no doubt a few, but 11k cannot possibly be right.
350k by your own words go missing in the uk each year, you express surprise that 3% of them go long term missing? which is 11k over 350k?
Labour Tory's just more hypocrites Looks like Rachel Reeves deleted her tweet after realising you could see her seat is 3K and therefore in first class 🫢
Which costs around £11,000…!
Bargain at twice the price.
Have you seen the sort of people who travel standard class?
Although I prefer flying on a Learjet.
Pure equality there with no standard or first class.
Speaking of boring journeys I am 5 hours into a 10 hour drive to Cairo. Come on PB, entertain me. This scintilla of an iota of a microdot of a Suella Braverman scandal isn’t really doing it
Would a by-election help at all?
Margaret Ferrier has just lost her appeal, so commons will now vote on suspension. She has no allies left so it will pass easily, and that opens a recall petition in Rutherglen.
Speaking of boring journeys I am 5 hours into a 10 hour drive to Cairo. Come on PB, entertain me. This scintilla of an iota of a microdot of a Suella Braverman scandal isn’t really doing it
You could always post some pictures of your lunch, scenic views and comic capers by the locals and come back and view them later on in your journey.
Lunch:
It’s full of “premium Egyptian whisky” - which actually isn’t that bad. Sunflower seeds for solids
Speaking of boring journeys I am 5 hours into a 10 hour drive to Cairo. Come on PB, entertain me. This scintilla of an iota of a microdot of a Suella Braverman scandal isn’t really doing it
Would a by-election help at all?
Margaret Ferrier has just lost her appeal, so commons will now vote on suspension. She has no allies left so it will pass easily, and that opens a recall petition in Rutherglen.
Morning All. Like kjh i’ve been on one of these courses, and like him found it interesting. I suspect that if Braverman had gone on the course it would’ve been a nine days wonder, but a lot of people here would’ve said ‘good on her’ for doing it. I think that she’s now got the worst of all possible worlds, as has Sunak.
I've been on one too, and found it less interesting. My crime was 27 in a 30 in anti-car Bath. The section of road at 20 comes after sections at 60, then 30, then 40 then 30 in the space of about a mile. Since my 'offence' huge areas of Bath have become 20 limits (all the hills from the South side at least are now 20).
Many on my course had been driving far faster than me in areas with much higher limits. After the course I still felt wrongfully 'convicted' and only came away with a sense that this country likes to go after easy offences rather than hard ones. Middle class 'speeders' are the easy target.
Isn't it swings and roundabouts though.
In 51 years of driving I have been caught on cameras twice. Once was points the other, the course. In both cases I thought they were unreasonable under the circumstances (for reasons I won't go into here). However it is only twice in 51 years and there must be dozens of times where I have been speed slightly and it wasn't unreasonable to do me and I haven't been caught. So I take it on the chin.
I doubt a policeman would have booked me in either case taking into account the circumstance but cameras are cheaper than policeman.
On that front I have been stopped by the police 3 times and in all 3 cases let off and in all 3 cases I was in the wrong. In one case I had brain failure so a penalty would have been pointless, but in the other two I was banged to rights and they used their discretion. Two of the instances were quite funny stories, but too embarrassing to tell here.
People have admitted to smashing whores, driving a Ford Galaxy and voting UKIP on here. What is left that is too embarrassing?
Statisically speaking and assuming a number of people posting here is about 500 though most are irregular posters then there is about a 5% chance one of us is a serial killer and hasn't bared their soul here
Umm - you think that one in 10,000 is a serial killer? That's bold. There are around 600 or so murders in the UK each year. There are around 70 million people in the UK. Simple maths makes it 7,000 serial killers. They can't be that active...
How many of Dr Shipman’s victims were counted as murders when they died?
There’s a serial killer living amongst us!
Bearing in mind the content of some of the posts here it wouldn't be a surprise if a lurker was driven to serial killing.
Morning All. Like kjh i’ve been on one of these courses, and like him found it interesting. I suspect that if Braverman had gone on the course it would’ve been a nine days wonder, but a lot of people here would’ve said ‘good on her’ for doing it. I think that she’s now got the worst of all possible worlds, as has Sunak.
I've been on one too, and found it less interesting. My crime was 27 in a 30 in anti-car Bath. The section of road at 20 comes after sections at 60, then 30, then 40 then 30 in the space of about a mile. Since my 'offence' huge areas of Bath have become 20 limits (all the hills from the South side at least are now 20).
Many on my course had been driving far faster than me in areas with much higher limits. After the course I still felt wrongfully 'convicted' and only came away with a sense that this country likes to go after easy offences rather than hard ones. Middle class 'speeders' are the easy target.
Isn't it swings and roundabouts though.
In 51 years of driving I have been caught on cameras twice. Once was points the other, the course. In both cases I thought they were unreasonable under the circumstances (for reasons I won't go into here). However it is only twice in 51 years and there must be dozens of times where I have been speed slightly and it wasn't unreasonable to do me and I haven't been caught. So I take it on the chin.
I doubt a policeman would have booked me in either case taking into account the circumstance but cameras are cheaper than policeman.
On that front I have been stopped by the police 3 times and in all 3 cases let off and in all 3 cases I was in the wrong. In one case I had brain failure so a penalty would have been pointless, but in the other two I was banged to rights and they used their discretion. Two of the instances were quite funny stories, but too embarrassing to tell here.
People have admitted to smashing whores, driving a Ford Galaxy and voting UKIP on here. What is left that is too embarrassing?
Statisically speaking and assuming a number of people posting here is about 500 though most are irregular posters then there is about a 5% chance one of us is a serial killer and hasn't bared their soul here
What? That can't be right, surely. 1 in (500*20=) 10000 people is a serial killer? Or are you controlling for the fact that very odd people are more likely to be drawn to pb.com?
How many posters DO we have? My FITA guess is that 98% of posts are from around 120 people - and for the past four years or so it's been give or take 5%, the same 120 people. I wonder how many lurkers we have?
apparently the % of serial killers is about 1 in 10000 with the proclivity....its not necessarily those that actually go on to do it. The stats on that seem hard to find, given that most highflyers in companies are suspected to be sociopaths to some degree then it does not seem out of line
OK, so that's 7000 potential serial killers in the UK. But even if all the murders are done by serial killers, and even if they're averaging one murder a year (which would be a really peculiar detective novel), that's still 90% of potential serial killers managing to resist the urge. Let's focus on the positives here.
As someone pointed out with shipman, not all murders are counted as murders at the time. We only have a figure for murders per year that are obviously murders. About 11k a year simply go missing in the uk some of those will be murders for example
Where's that figure from? I don't think it's anything like correct.
There are about 350k missing person calls every year, but that relates to only about 150k people (as quite a lot are people who regularly go missing for a period of time). About 99% of those are cleared up within a year - either because the person turns up alive or, less commonly, dead (in which case the cause of death would be recorded including if foul play is suspected).
So that's about 1,500 each year who are missing for over a year. Some of those will be included in the murder statistics already as they will include cases where a murder investigation is opened in the absence of a body. Quite a few will be people who have quite deliberately gone missing and don't want to be found - and Police will stop looking if there's evidence of that and the individual isn't wanted by them for other reasons. A few will be unreported murders, although quite often by the people who reported them missing ("I'm terribly worried about my wife, officer...")
So no doubt a few, but 11k cannot possibly be right.
350k by your own words go missing in the uk each year, you express surprise that 3% of them go long term missing? which is 11k over 350k?
No. The reported stats are that there are around 350k reports in relation to 150k people in the course of a year, and that of the 150k, about 1% of the 150k remain missing after 12 months (i.e. about 1,500 per year).
If the figure had been 3% of 350k that would have been in accordance with your view, and it's not a crazy number to pluck out of the air.
But, rather crucially, it is plucked out of the air by you, and the accurate figure is about 1,500 people who are reported missing that remain missing after a year.
Speaking of boring journeys I am 5 hours into a 10 hour drive to Cairo. Come on PB, entertain me. This scintilla of an iota of a microdot of a Suella Braverman scandal isn’t really doing it
Would a by-election help at all?
Margaret Ferrier has just lost her appeal, so commons will now vote on suspension. She has no allies left so it will pass easily, and that opens a recall petition in Rutherglen.
Morning All. Like kjh i’ve been on one of these courses, and like him found it interesting. I suspect that if Braverman had gone on the course it would’ve been a nine days wonder, but a lot of people here would’ve said ‘good on her’ for doing it. I think that she’s now got the worst of all possible worlds, as has Sunak.
I've been on one too, and found it less interesting. My crime was 27 in a 30 in anti-car Bath. The section of road at 20 comes after sections at 60, then 30, then 40 then 30 in the space of about a mile. Since my 'offence' huge areas of Bath have become 20 limits (all the hills from the South side at least are now 20).
Many on my course had been driving far faster than me in areas with much higher limits. After the course I still felt wrongfully 'convicted' and only came away with a sense that this country likes to go after easy offences rather than hard ones. Middle class 'speeders' are the easy target.
Isn't it swings and roundabouts though.
In 51 years of driving I have been caught on cameras twice. Once was points the other, the course. In both cases I thought they were unreasonable under the circumstances (for reasons I won't go into here). However it is only twice in 51 years and there must be dozens of times where I have been speed slightly and it wasn't unreasonable to do me and I haven't been caught. So I take it on the chin.
I doubt a policeman would have booked me in either case taking into account the circumstance but cameras are cheaper than policeman.
On that front I have been stopped by the police 3 times and in all 3 cases let off and in all 3 cases I was in the wrong. In one case I had brain failure so a penalty would have been pointless, but in the other two I was banged to rights and they used their discretion. Two of the instances were quite funny stories, but too embarrassing to tell here.
People have admitted to smashing whores, driving a Ford Galaxy and voting UKIP on here. What is left that is too embarrassing?
Statisically speaking and assuming a number of people posting here is about 500 though most are irregular posters then there is about a 5% chance one of us is a serial killer and hasn't bared their soul here
What? That can't be right, surely. 1 in (500*20=) 10000 people is a serial killer? Or are you controlling for the fact that very odd people are more likely to be drawn to pb.com?
How many posters DO we have? My FITA guess is that 98% of posts are from around 120 people - and for the past four years or so it's been give or take 5%, the same 120 people. I wonder how many lurkers we have?
apparently the % of serial killers is about 1 in 10000 with the proclivity....its not necessarily those that actually go on to do it. The stats on that seem hard to find, given that most highflyers in companies are suspected to be sociopaths to some degree then it does not seem out of line
OK, so that's 7000 potential serial killers in the UK. But even if all the murders are done by serial killers, and even if they're averaging one murder a year (which would be a really peculiar detective novel), that's still 90% of potential serial killers managing to resist the urge. Let's focus on the positives here.
As someone pointed out with shipman, not all murders are counted as murders at the time. We only have a figure for murders per year that are obviously murders. About 11k a year simply go missing in the uk some of those will be murders for example
Where's that figure from? I don't think it's anything like correct.
There are about 350k missing person calls every year, but that relates to only about 150k people (as quite a lot are people who regularly go missing for a period of time). About 99% of those are cleared up within a year - either because the person turns up alive or, less commonly, dead (in which case the cause of death would be recorded including if foul play is suspected).
So that's about 1,500 each year who are missing for over a year. Some of those will be included in the murder statistics already as they will include cases where a murder investigation is opened in the absence of a body. Quite a few will be people who have quite deliberately gone missing and don't want to be found - and Police will stop looking if there's evidence of that and the individual isn't wanted by them for other reasons. A few will be unreported murders, although quite often by the people who reported them missing ("I'm terribly worried about my wife, officer...")
So no doubt a few, but 11k cannot possibly be right.
Pagan2 has a rather bleak view of the world. Fortunately it doesn’t seem to be an accurate one.
Perhaps that is because most of my life I have had to live in poorer areas and not leafy suburbs like most posters here seem to? For example less than a year ago got woken up ny the guy upstairs hammering on my door after being stabbed in the chest by his girlfriend in a drunken row. Robbery, violence, gang shit was part of everyday life in those areas. Apologies for not living in better areas where the only crime you ever see is your neighbour allowing his grass to grow above regulation height.
Morning All. Like kjh i’ve been on one of these courses, and like him found it interesting. I suspect that if Braverman had gone on the course it would’ve been a nine days wonder, but a lot of people here would’ve said ‘good on her’ for doing it. I think that she’s now got the worst of all possible worlds, as has Sunak.
I've been on one too, and found it less interesting. My crime was 27 in a 30 in anti-car Bath. The section of road at 20 comes after sections at 60, then 30, then 40 then 30 in the space of about a mile. Since my 'offence' huge areas of Bath have become 20 limits (all the hills from the South side at least are now 20).
Many on my course had been driving far faster than me in areas with much higher limits. After the course I still felt wrongfully 'convicted' and only came away with a sense that this country likes to go after easy offences rather than hard ones. Middle class 'speeders' are the easy target.
Isn't it swings and roundabouts though.
In 51 years of driving I have been caught on cameras twice. Once was points the other, the course. In both cases I thought they were unreasonable under the circumstances (for reasons I won't go into here). However it is only twice in 51 years and there must be dozens of times where I have been speed slightly and it wasn't unreasonable to do me and I haven't been caught. So I take it on the chin.
I doubt a policeman would have booked me in either case taking into account the circumstance but cameras are cheaper than policeman.
On that front I have been stopped by the police 3 times and in all 3 cases let off and in all 3 cases I was in the wrong. In one case I had brain failure so a penalty would have been pointless, but in the other two I was banged to rights and they used their discretion. Two of the instances were quite funny stories, but too embarrassing to tell here.
People have admitted to smashing whores, driving a Ford Galaxy and voting UKIP on here. What is left that is too embarrassing?
Statisically speaking and assuming a number of people posting here is about 500 though most are irregular posters then there is about a 5% chance one of us is a serial killer and hasn't bared their soul here
What? That can't be right, surely. 1 in (500*20=) 10000 people is a serial killer? Or are you controlling for the fact that very odd people are more likely to be drawn to pb.com?
How many posters DO we have? My FITA guess is that 98% of posts are from around 120 people - and for the past four years or so it's been give or take 5%, the same 120 people. I wonder how many lurkers we have?
apparently the % of serial killers is about 1 in 10000 with the proclivity....its not necessarily those that actually go on to do it. The stats on that seem hard to find, given that most highflyers in companies are suspected to be sociopaths to some degree then it does not seem out of line
OK, so that's 7000 potential serial killers in the UK. But even if all the murders are done by serial killers, and even if they're averaging one murder a year (which would be a really peculiar detective novel), that's still 90% of potential serial killers managing to resist the urge. Let's focus on the positives here.
As someone pointed out with shipman, not all murders are counted as murders at the time. We only have a figure for murders per year that are obviously murders. About 11k a year simply go missing in the uk some of those will be murders for example
Where's that figure from? I don't think it's anything like correct.
There are about 350k missing person calls every year, but that relates to only about 150k people (as quite a lot are people who regularly go missing for a period of time). About 99% of those are cleared up within a year - either because the person turns up alive or, less commonly, dead (in which case the cause of death would be recorded including if foul play is suspected).
So that's about 1,500 each year who are missing for over a year. Some of those will be included in the murder statistics already as they will include cases where a murder investigation is opened in the absence of a body. Quite a few will be people who have quite deliberately gone missing and don't want to be found - and Police will stop looking if there's evidence of that and the individual isn't wanted by them for other reasons. A few will be unreported murders, although quite often by the people who reported them missing ("I'm terribly worried about my wife, officer...")
So no doubt a few, but 11k cannot possibly be right.
350k by your own words go missing in the uk each year, you express surprise that 3% of them go long term missing? which is 11k over 350k?
No. The reported stats are that there are around 350k reports in relation to 150k people in the course of a year, and that of the 150k, about 1% of the 150k remain missing after 12 months (i.e. about 1,500 per year).
If the figure had been 3% of 350k that would have been in accordance with your view, and it's not a crazy number to pluck out of the air.
But, rather crucially, it is plucked out of the air by you, and the accurate figure is about 1,500 people who are reported missing that remain missing after a year.
It wasn't plucked out of thin air but rechecking I did misunderstant 11k is the cumulative number missing not the number per year, so yes I was wrong due to misreading
Morning All. Like kjh i’ve been on one of these courses, and like him found it interesting. I suspect that if Braverman had gone on the course it would’ve been a nine days wonder, but a lot of people here would’ve said ‘good on her’ for doing it. I think that she’s now got the worst of all possible worlds, as has Sunak.
I've been on one too, and found it less interesting. My crime was 27 in a 30 in anti-car Bath. The section of road at 20 comes after sections at 60, then 30, then 40 then 30 in the space of about a mile. Since my 'offence' huge areas of Bath have become 20 limits (all the hills from the South side at least are now 20).
Many on my course had been driving far faster than me in areas with much higher limits. After the course I still felt wrongfully 'convicted' and only came away with a sense that this country likes to go after easy offences rather than hard ones. Middle class 'speeders' are the easy target.
Isn't it swings and roundabouts though.
In 51 years of driving I have been caught on cameras twice. Once was points the other, the course. In both cases I thought they were unreasonable under the circumstances (for reasons I won't go into here). However it is only twice in 51 years and there must be dozens of times where I have been speed slightly and it wasn't unreasonable to do me and I haven't been caught. So I take it on the chin.
I doubt a policeman would have booked me in either case taking into account the circumstance but cameras are cheaper than policeman.
On that front I have been stopped by the police 3 times and in all 3 cases let off and in all 3 cases I was in the wrong. In one case I had brain failure so a penalty would have been pointless, but in the other two I was banged to rights and they used their discretion. Two of the instances were quite funny stories, but too embarrassing to tell here.
People have admitted to smashing whores, driving a Ford Galaxy and voting UKIP on here. What is left that is too embarrassing?
Statisically speaking and assuming a number of people posting here is about 500 though most are irregular posters then there is about a 5% chance one of us is a serial killer and hasn't bared their soul here
What? That can't be right, surely. 1 in (500*20=) 10000 people is a serial killer? Or are you controlling for the fact that very odd people are more likely to be drawn to pb.com?
How many posters DO we have? My FITA guess is that 98% of posts are from around 120 people - and for the past four years or so it's been give or take 5%, the same 120 people. I wonder how many lurkers we have?
apparently the % of serial killers is about 1 in 10000 with the proclivity....its not necessarily those that actually go on to do it. The stats on that seem hard to find, given that most highflyers in companies are suspected to be sociopaths to some degree then it does not seem out of line
OK, so that's 7000 potential serial killers in the UK. But even if all the murders are done by serial killers, and even if they're averaging one murder a year (which would be a really peculiar detective novel), that's still 90% of potential serial killers managing to resist the urge. Let's focus on the positives here.
I was just in Hurghada with a Sun journalist who had brilliant/scary crime stories (and tons of excellent gossip - OMG Nicola Sturgeon!) - ANYWAY he said recently he’d been working on a series on “Britain’s youngest criminals” and they had unearthed a serial killer age… 12
That article doesn't have a 12 year old "serial killer". They are a 12 year old "serial sex offender". Which is horrendous, of course, but I think Leon has exaggerated his anecdote a little for dramatic effect, in an historic first for PB.
Morning All. Like kjh i’ve been on one of these courses, and like him found it interesting. I suspect that if Braverman had gone on the course it would’ve been a nine days wonder, but a lot of people here would’ve said ‘good on her’ for doing it. I think that she’s now got the worst of all possible worlds, as has Sunak.
I've been on one too, and found it less interesting. My crime was 27 in a 30 in anti-car Bath. The section of road at 20 comes after sections at 60, then 30, then 40 then 30 in the space of about a mile. Since my 'offence' huge areas of Bath have become 20 limits (all the hills from the South side at least are now 20).
Many on my course had been driving far faster than me in areas with much higher limits. After the course I still felt wrongfully 'convicted' and only came away with a sense that this country likes to go after easy offences rather than hard ones. Middle class 'speeders' are the easy target.
Isn't it swings and roundabouts though.
In 51 years of driving I have been caught on cameras twice. Once was points the other, the course. In both cases I thought they were unreasonable under the circumstances (for reasons I won't go into here). However it is only twice in 51 years and there must be dozens of times where I have been speed slightly and it wasn't unreasonable to do me and I haven't been caught. So I take it on the chin.
I doubt a policeman would have booked me in either case taking into account the circumstance but cameras are cheaper than policeman.
On that front I have been stopped by the police 3 times and in all 3 cases let off and in all 3 cases I was in the wrong. In one case I had brain failure so a penalty would have been pointless, but in the other two I was banged to rights and they used their discretion. Two of the instances were quite funny stories, but too embarrassing to tell here.
People have admitted to smashing whores, driving a Ford Galaxy and voting UKIP on here. What is left that is too embarrassing?
Statisically speaking and assuming a number of people posting here is about 500 though most are irregular posters then there is about a 5% chance one of us is a serial killer and hasn't bared their soul here
What? That can't be right, surely. 1 in (500*20=) 10000 people is a serial killer? Or are you controlling for the fact that very odd people are more likely to be drawn to pb.com?
How many posters DO we have? My FITA guess is that 98% of posts are from around 120 people - and for the past four years or so it's been give or take 5%, the same 120 people. I wonder how many lurkers we have?
apparently the % of serial killers is about 1 in 10000 with the proclivity....its not necessarily those that actually go on to do it. The stats on that seem hard to find, given that most highflyers in companies are suspected to be sociopaths to some degree then it does not seem out of line
OK, so that's 7000 potential serial killers in the UK. But even if all the murders are done by serial killers, and even if they're averaging one murder a year (which would be a really peculiar detective novel), that's still 90% of potential serial killers managing to resist the urge. Let's focus on the positives here.
I was just in Hurghada with a Sun journalist who had brilliant/scary crime stories (and tons of excellent gossip - OMG Nicola Sturgeon!) - ANYWAY he said recently he’d been working on a series on “Britain’s youngest criminals” and they had unearthed a serial killer age… 12
That article doesn't have a 12 year old "serial killer". They are a 12 year old "serial sex offender". Which is horrendous, of course, but I think Leon has exaggerated his anecdote a little for dramatic effect, in an historic first for PB.
The journo may have been lying to me but he specifically said “we found a 12 year old serial killer”. He said they weren’t allowed to even reference the case in their story for all sorts of legal reasons
Morning All. Like kjh i’ve been on one of these courses, and like him found it interesting. I suspect that if Braverman had gone on the course it would’ve been a nine days wonder, but a lot of people here would’ve said ‘good on her’ for doing it. I think that she’s now got the worst of all possible worlds, as has Sunak.
I've been on one too, and found it less interesting. My crime was 27 in a 30 in anti-car Bath. The section of road at 20 comes after sections at 60, then 30, then 40 then 30 in the space of about a mile. Since my 'offence' huge areas of Bath have become 20 limits (all the hills from the South side at least are now 20).
Many on my course had been driving far faster than me in areas with much higher limits. After the course I still felt wrongfully 'convicted' and only came away with a sense that this country likes to go after easy offences rather than hard ones. Middle class 'speeders' are the easy target.
Isn't it swings and roundabouts though.
In 51 years of driving I have been caught on cameras twice. Once was points the other, the course. In both cases I thought they were unreasonable under the circumstances (for reasons I won't go into here). However it is only twice in 51 years and there must be dozens of times where I have been speed slightly and it wasn't unreasonable to do me and I haven't been caught. So I take it on the chin.
I doubt a policeman would have booked me in either case taking into account the circumstance but cameras are cheaper than policeman.
On that front I have been stopped by the police 3 times and in all 3 cases let off and in all 3 cases I was in the wrong. In one case I had brain failure so a penalty would have been pointless, but in the other two I was banged to rights and they used their discretion. Two of the instances were quite funny stories, but too embarrassing to tell here.
People have admitted to smashing whores, driving a Ford Galaxy and voting UKIP on here. What is left that is too embarrassing?
Statisically speaking and assuming a number of people posting here is about 500 though most are irregular posters then there is about a 5% chance one of us is a serial killer and hasn't bared their soul here
What? That can't be right, surely. 1 in (500*20=) 10000 people is a serial killer? Or are you controlling for the fact that very odd people are more likely to be drawn to pb.com?
How many posters DO we have? My FITA guess is that 98% of posts are from around 120 people - and for the past four years or so it's been give or take 5%, the same 120 people. I wonder how many lurkers we have?
apparently the % of serial killers is about 1 in 10000 with the proclivity....its not necessarily those that actually go on to do it. The stats on that seem hard to find, given that most highflyers in companies are suspected to be sociopaths to some degree then it does not seem out of line
OK, so that's 7000 potential serial killers in the UK. But even if all the murders are done by serial killers, and even if they're averaging one murder a year (which would be a really peculiar detective novel), that's still 90% of potential serial killers managing to resist the urge. Let's focus on the positives here.
As someone pointed out with shipman, not all murders are counted as murders at the time. We only have a figure for murders per year that are obviously murders. About 11k a year simply go missing in the uk some of those will be murders for example
Where's that figure from? I don't think it's anything like correct.
There are about 350k missing person calls every year, but that relates to only about 150k people (as quite a lot are people who regularly go missing for a period of time). About 99% of those are cleared up within a year - either because the person turns up alive or, less commonly, dead (in which case the cause of death would be recorded including if foul play is suspected).
So that's about 1,500 each year who are missing for over a year. Some of those will be included in the murder statistics already as they will include cases where a murder investigation is opened in the absence of a body. Quite a few will be people who have quite deliberately gone missing and don't want to be found - and Police will stop looking if there's evidence of that and the individual isn't wanted by them for other reasons. A few will be unreported murders, although quite often by the people who reported them missing ("I'm terribly worried about my wife, officer...")
So no doubt a few, but 11k cannot possibly be right.
Pagan2 has a rather bleak view of the world. Fortunately it doesn’t seem to be an accurate one.
Perhaps that is because most of my life I have had to live in poorer areas and not leafy suburbs like most posters here seem to? For example less than a year ago got woken up ny the guy upstairs hammering on my door after being stabbed in the chest by his girlfriend in a drunken row. Robbery, violence, gang shit was part of everyday life in those areas. Apologies for not living in better areas where the only crime you ever see is your neighbour allowing his grass to grow above regulation height.
“I have a hard life so I’m allowed to be wrong about stuff,” isn’t the most convincing argument. You’re always saying we need radically new politics. Does your radical new politics value facts?
Pretty conflicted on this - on one hand it has been approved by the voters in a referendum; on the other it seems straightforward tyranny of the majority & I don’t like there concept of banning people from standing in an election
And it would seem to make more sense to change the required level of quorum to a smaller number, rather than to ban legistlators.
I would be against this sort of thing but for three things. Firstly, it's not that serious a punishment, if a House or Senate District's voters agree with the blocking policy then they can elect the same party again and as the legislators are only barred for one term, they can come back in for 2026/27. Secondly, this provision was brought in by a state constitutional amendment and got the public's support by referendum. Most importantly it does not allow the majority party to pass any legislation that they wouldn't be able to pass anyway, the boycott can last until the next state legislature elections in November and if the GOP get enough seats that will allow them to continue the boycott for the whole next term too.
Morning All. Like kjh i’ve been on one of these courses, and like him found it interesting. I suspect that if Braverman had gone on the course it would’ve been a nine days wonder, but a lot of people here would’ve said ‘good on her’ for doing it. I think that she’s now got the worst of all possible worlds, as has Sunak.
I've been on one too, and found it less interesting. My crime was 27 in a 30 in anti-car Bath. The section of road at 20 comes after sections at 60, then 30, then 40 then 30 in the space of about a mile. Since my 'offence' huge areas of Bath have become 20 limits (all the hills from the South side at least are now 20).
Many on my course had been driving far faster than me in areas with much higher limits. After the course I still felt wrongfully 'convicted' and only came away with a sense that this country likes to go after easy offences rather than hard ones. Middle class 'speeders' are the easy target.
Isn't it swings and roundabouts though.
In 51 years of driving I have been caught on cameras twice. Once was points the other, the course. In both cases I thought they were unreasonable under the circumstances (for reasons I won't go into here). However it is only twice in 51 years and there must be dozens of times where I have been speed slightly and it wasn't unreasonable to do me and I haven't been caught. So I take it on the chin.
I doubt a policeman would have booked me in either case taking into account the circumstance but cameras are cheaper than policeman.
On that front I have been stopped by the police 3 times and in all 3 cases let off and in all 3 cases I was in the wrong. In one case I had brain failure so a penalty would have been pointless, but in the other two I was banged to rights and they used their discretion. Two of the instances were quite funny stories, but too embarrassing to tell here.
People have admitted to smashing whores, driving a Ford Galaxy and voting UKIP on here. What is left that is too embarrassing?
Statisically speaking and assuming a number of people posting here is about 500 though most are irregular posters then there is about a 5% chance one of us is a serial killer and hasn't bared their soul here
What? That can't be right, surely. 1 in (500*20=) 10000 people is a serial killer? Or are you controlling for the fact that very odd people are more likely to be drawn to pb.com?
How many posters DO we have? My FITA guess is that 98% of posts are from around 120 people - and for the past four years or so it's been give or take 5%, the same 120 people. I wonder how many lurkers we have?
apparently the % of serial killers is about 1 in 10000 with the proclivity....its not necessarily those that actually go on to do it. The stats on that seem hard to find, given that most highflyers in companies are suspected to be sociopaths to some degree then it does not seem out of line
OK, so that's 7000 potential serial killers in the UK. But even if all the murders are done by serial killers, and even if they're averaging one murder a year (which would be a really peculiar detective novel), that's still 90% of potential serial killers managing to resist the urge. Let's focus on the positives here.
As someone pointed out with shipman, not all murders are counted as murders at the time. We only have a figure for murders per year that are obviously murders. About 11k a year simply go missing in the uk some of those will be murders for example
Where's that figure from? I don't think it's anything like correct.
There are about 350k missing person calls every year, but that relates to only about 150k people (as quite a lot are people who regularly go missing for a period of time). About 99% of those are cleared up within a year - either because the person turns up alive or, less commonly, dead (in which case the cause of death would be recorded including if foul play is suspected).
So that's about 1,500 each year who are missing for over a year. Some of those will be included in the murder statistics already as they will include cases where a murder investigation is opened in the absence of a body. Quite a few will be people who have quite deliberately gone missing and don't want to be found - and Police will stop looking if there's evidence of that and the individual isn't wanted by them for other reasons. A few will be unreported murders, although quite often by the people who reported them missing ("I'm terribly worried about my wife, officer...")
So no doubt a few, but 11k cannot possibly be right.
Pagan2 has a rather bleak view of the world. Fortunately it doesn’t seem to be an accurate one.
Perhaps that is because most of my life I have had to live in poorer areas and not leafy suburbs like most posters here seem to? For example less than a year ago got woken up ny the guy upstairs hammering on my door after being stabbed in the chest by his girlfriend in a drunken row. Robbery, violence, gang shit was part of everyday life in those areas. Apologies for not living in better areas where the only crime you ever see is your neighbour allowing his grass to grow above regulation height.
“I have a hard life so I’m allowed to be wrong about stuff,” isn’t the most convincing argument. You’re always saying we need radically new politics. Does your radical new politics value facts?
I have explained after rechecking where I got the 11k from and that I had misunderstood it by not reading further to find it was a cumulative number not a per year number. Still doesn't change the fact that 11k are long term missing
Morning All. Like kjh i’ve been on one of these courses, and like him found it interesting. I suspect that if Braverman had gone on the course it would’ve been a nine days wonder, but a lot of people here would’ve said ‘good on her’ for doing it. I think that she’s now got the worst of all possible worlds, as has Sunak.
I've been on one too, and found it less interesting. My crime was 27 in a 30 in anti-car Bath. The section of road at 20 comes after sections at 60, then 30, then 40 then 30 in the space of about a mile. Since my 'offence' huge areas of Bath have become 20 limits (all the hills from the South side at least are now 20).
Many on my course had been driving far faster than me in areas with much higher limits. After the course I still felt wrongfully 'convicted' and only came away with a sense that this country likes to go after easy offences rather than hard ones. Middle class 'speeders' are the easy target.
Isn't it swings and roundabouts though.
In 51 years of driving I have been caught on cameras twice. Once was points the other, the course. In both cases I thought they were unreasonable under the circumstances (for reasons I won't go into here). However it is only twice in 51 years and there must be dozens of times where I have been speed slightly and it wasn't unreasonable to do me and I haven't been caught. So I take it on the chin.
I doubt a policeman would have booked me in either case taking into account the circumstance but cameras are cheaper than policeman.
On that front I have been stopped by the police 3 times and in all 3 cases let off and in all 3 cases I was in the wrong. In one case I had brain failure so a penalty would have been pointless, but in the other two I was banged to rights and they used their discretion. Two of the instances were quite funny stories, but too embarrassing to tell here.
People have admitted to smashing whores, driving a Ford Galaxy and voting UKIP on here. What is left that is too embarrassing?
Statisically speaking and assuming a number of people posting here is about 500 though most are irregular posters then there is about a 5% chance one of us is a serial killer and hasn't bared their soul here
What? That can't be right, surely. 1 in (500*20=) 10000 people is a serial killer? Or are you controlling for the fact that very odd people are more likely to be drawn to pb.com?
How many posters DO we have? My FITA guess is that 98% of posts are from around 120 people - and for the past four years or so it's been give or take 5%, the same 120 people. I wonder how many lurkers we have?
apparently the % of serial killers is about 1 in 10000 with the proclivity....its not necessarily those that actually go on to do it. The stats on that seem hard to find, given that most highflyers in companies are suspected to be sociopaths to some degree then it does not seem out of line
OK, so that's 7000 potential serial killers in the UK. But even if all the murders are done by serial killers, and even if they're averaging one murder a year (which would be a really peculiar detective novel), that's still 90% of potential serial killers managing to resist the urge. Let's focus on the positives here.
I was just in Hurghada with a Sun journalist who had brilliant/scary crime stories (and tons of excellent gossip - OMG Nicola Sturgeon!) - ANYWAY he said recently he’d been working on a series on “Britain’s youngest criminals” and they had unearthed a serial killer age… 12
That article doesn't have a 12 year old "serial killer". They are a 12 year old "serial sex offender". Which is horrendous, of course, but I think Leon has exaggerated his anecdote a little for dramatic effect, in an historic first for PB.
Also wtf are you talking about. From that article
“Among the group is one aged 12; two aged 13; and 11 boys aged 14 who were arrested for murder.”
Morning All. Like kjh i’ve been on one of these courses, and like him found it interesting. I suspect that if Braverman had gone on the course it would’ve been a nine days wonder, but a lot of people here would’ve said ‘good on her’ for doing it. I think that she’s now got the worst of all possible worlds, as has Sunak.
I've been on one too, and found it less interesting. My crime was 27 in a 30 in anti-car Bath. The section of road at 20 comes after sections at 60, then 30, then 40 then 30 in the space of about a mile. Since my 'offence' huge areas of Bath have become 20 limits (all the hills from the South side at least are now 20).
Many on my course had been driving far faster than me in areas with much higher limits. After the course I still felt wrongfully 'convicted' and only came away with a sense that this country likes to go after easy offences rather than hard ones. Middle class 'speeders' are the easy target.
Isn't it swings and roundabouts though.
In 51 years of driving I have been caught on cameras twice. Once was points the other, the course. In both cases I thought they were unreasonable under the circumstances (for reasons I won't go into here). However it is only twice in 51 years and there must be dozens of times where I have been speed slightly and it wasn't unreasonable to do me and I haven't been caught. So I take it on the chin.
I doubt a policeman would have booked me in either case taking into account the circumstance but cameras are cheaper than policeman.
On that front I have been stopped by the police 3 times and in all 3 cases let off and in all 3 cases I was in the wrong. In one case I had brain failure so a penalty would have been pointless, but in the other two I was banged to rights and they used their discretion. Two of the instances were quite funny stories, but too embarrassing to tell here.
People have admitted to smashing whores, driving a Ford Galaxy and voting UKIP on here. What is left that is too embarrassing?
Statisically speaking and assuming a number of people posting here is about 500 though most are irregular posters then there is about a 5% chance one of us is a serial killer and hasn't bared their soul here
What? That can't be right, surely. 1 in (500*20=) 10000 people is a serial killer? Or are you controlling for the fact that very odd people are more likely to be drawn to pb.com?
How many posters DO we have? My FITA guess is that 98% of posts are from around 120 people - and for the past four years or so it's been give or take 5%, the same 120 people. I wonder how many lurkers we have?
apparently the % of serial killers is about 1 in 10000 with the proclivity....its not necessarily those that actually go on to do it. The stats on that seem hard to find, given that most highflyers in companies are suspected to be sociopaths to some degree then it does not seem out of line
OK, so that's 7000 potential serial killers in the UK. But even if all the murders are done by serial killers, and even if they're averaging one murder a year (which would be a really peculiar detective novel), that's still 90% of potential serial killers managing to resist the urge. Let's focus on the positives here.
As someone pointed out with shipman, not all murders are counted as murders at the time. We only have a figure for murders per year that are obviously murders. About 11k a year simply go missing in the uk some of those will be murders for example
Where's that figure from? I don't think it's anything like correct.
There are about 350k missing person calls every year, but that relates to only about 150k people (as quite a lot are people who regularly go missing for a period of time). About 99% of those are cleared up within a year - either because the person turns up alive or, less commonly, dead (in which case the cause of death would be recorded including if foul play is suspected).
So that's about 1,500 each year who are missing for over a year. Some of those will be included in the murder statistics already as they will include cases where a murder investigation is opened in the absence of a body. Quite a few will be people who have quite deliberately gone missing and don't want to be found - and Police will stop looking if there's evidence of that and the individual isn't wanted by them for other reasons. A few will be unreported murders, although quite often by the people who reported them missing ("I'm terribly worried about my wife, officer...")
So no doubt a few, but 11k cannot possibly be right.
Pagan2 has a rather bleak view of the world. Fortunately it doesn’t seem to be an accurate one.
Perhaps that is because most of my life I have had to live in poorer areas and not leafy suburbs like most posters here seem to? For example less than a year ago got woken up ny the guy upstairs hammering on my door after being stabbed in the chest by his girlfriend in a drunken row. Robbery, violence, gang shit was part of everyday life in those areas. Apologies for not living in better areas where the only crime you ever see is your neighbour allowing his grass to grow above regulation height.
The fact your personal experience has been bad (for which I sympathise) does not mean it is typical.
All of us have lived lives that are average in some ways and not in others. Where statistics come in is enabling us to distinguish the assumptions we have from what is typical. We don't just get to make them up to fit our world view.
Morning All. Like kjh i’ve been on one of these courses, and like him found it interesting. I suspect that if Braverman had gone on the course it would’ve been a nine days wonder, but a lot of people here would’ve said ‘good on her’ for doing it. I think that she’s now got the worst of all possible worlds, as has Sunak.
I've been on one too, and found it less interesting. My crime was 27 in a 30 in anti-car Bath. The section of road at 20 comes after sections at 60, then 30, then 40 then 30 in the space of about a mile. Since my 'offence' huge areas of Bath have become 20 limits (all the hills from the South side at least are now 20).
Many on my course had been driving far faster than me in areas with much higher limits. After the course I still felt wrongfully 'convicted' and only came away with a sense that this country likes to go after easy offences rather than hard ones. Middle class 'speeders' are the easy target.
Isn't it swings and roundabouts though.
In 51 years of driving I have been caught on cameras twice. Once was points the other, the course. In both cases I thought they were unreasonable under the circumstances (for reasons I won't go into here). However it is only twice in 51 years and there must be dozens of times where I have been speed slightly and it wasn't unreasonable to do me and I haven't been caught. So I take it on the chin.
I doubt a policeman would have booked me in either case taking into account the circumstance but cameras are cheaper than policeman.
On that front I have been stopped by the police 3 times and in all 3 cases let off and in all 3 cases I was in the wrong. In one case I had brain failure so a penalty would have been pointless, but in the other two I was banged to rights and they used their discretion. Two of the instances were quite funny stories, but too embarrassing to tell here.
People have admitted to smashing whores, driving a Ford Galaxy and voting UKIP on here. What is left that is too embarrassing?
Statisically speaking and assuming a number of people posting here is about 500 though most are irregular posters then there is about a 5% chance one of us is a serial killer and hasn't bared their soul here
What? That can't be right, surely. 1 in (500*20=) 10000 people is a serial killer? Or are you controlling for the fact that very odd people are more likely to be drawn to pb.com?
How many posters DO we have? My FITA guess is that 98% of posts are from around 120 people - and for the past four years or so it's been give or take 5%, the same 120 people. I wonder how many lurkers we have?
apparently the % of serial killers is about 1 in 10000 with the proclivity....its not necessarily those that actually go on to do it. The stats on that seem hard to find, given that most highflyers in companies are suspected to be sociopaths to some degree then it does not seem out of line
OK, so that's 7000 potential serial killers in the UK. But even if all the murders are done by serial killers, and even if they're averaging one murder a year (which would be a really peculiar detective novel), that's still 90% of potential serial killers managing to resist the urge. Let's focus on the positives here.
As someone pointed out with shipman, not all murders are counted as murders at the time. We only have a figure for murders per year that are obviously murders. About 11k a year simply go missing in the uk some of those will be murders for example
Where's that figure from? I don't think it's anything like correct.
There are about 350k missing person calls every year, but that relates to only about 150k people (as quite a lot are people who regularly go missing for a period of time). About 99% of those are cleared up within a year - either because the person turns up alive or, less commonly, dead (in which case the cause of death would be recorded including if foul play is suspected).
So that's about 1,500 each year who are missing for over a year. Some of those will be included in the murder statistics already as they will include cases where a murder investigation is opened in the absence of a body. Quite a few will be people who have quite deliberately gone missing and don't want to be found - and Police will stop looking if there's evidence of that and the individual isn't wanted by them for other reasons. A few will be unreported murders, although quite often by the people who reported them missing ("I'm terribly worried about my wife, officer...")
So no doubt a few, but 11k cannot possibly be right.
Pagan2 has a rather bleak view of the world. Fortunately it doesn’t seem to be an accurate one.
Perhaps that is because most of my life I have had to live in poorer areas and not leafy suburbs like most posters here seem to? For example less than a year ago got woken up ny the guy upstairs hammering on my door after being stabbed in the chest by his girlfriend in a drunken row. Robbery, violence, gang shit was part of everyday life in those areas. Apologies for not living in better areas where the only crime you ever see is your neighbour allowing his grass to grow above regulation height.
It's no-mow May, so there is no regulation height anymore.
Morning All. Like kjh i’ve been on one of these courses, and like him found it interesting. I suspect that if Braverman had gone on the course it would’ve been a nine days wonder, but a lot of people here would’ve said ‘good on her’ for doing it. I think that she’s now got the worst of all possible worlds, as has Sunak.
I've been on one too, and found it less interesting. My crime was 27 in a 30 in anti-car Bath. The section of road at 20 comes after sections at 60, then 30, then 40 then 30 in the space of about a mile. Since my 'offence' huge areas of Bath have become 20 limits (all the hills from the South side at least are now 20).
Many on my course had been driving far faster than me in areas with much higher limits. After the course I still felt wrongfully 'convicted' and only came away with a sense that this country likes to go after easy offences rather than hard ones. Middle class 'speeders' are the easy target.
Isn't it swings and roundabouts though.
In 51 years of driving I have been caught on cameras twice. Once was points the other, the course. In both cases I thought they were unreasonable under the circumstances (for reasons I won't go into here). However it is only twice in 51 years and there must be dozens of times where I have been speed slightly and it wasn't unreasonable to do me and I haven't been caught. So I take it on the chin.
I doubt a policeman would have booked me in either case taking into account the circumstance but cameras are cheaper than policeman.
On that front I have been stopped by the police 3 times and in all 3 cases let off and in all 3 cases I was in the wrong. In one case I had brain failure so a penalty would have been pointless, but in the other two I was banged to rights and they used their discretion. Two of the instances were quite funny stories, but too embarrassing to tell here.
People have admitted to smashing whores, driving a Ford Galaxy and voting UKIP on here. What is left that is too embarrassing?
Statisically speaking and assuming a number of people posting here is about 500 though most are irregular posters then there is about a 5% chance one of us is a serial killer and hasn't bared their soul here
What? That can't be right, surely. 1 in (500*20=) 10000 people is a serial killer? Or are you controlling for the fact that very odd people are more likely to be drawn to pb.com?
How many posters DO we have? My FITA guess is that 98% of posts are from around 120 people - and for the past four years or so it's been give or take 5%, the same 120 people. I wonder how many lurkers we have?
apparently the % of serial killers is about 1 in 10000 with the proclivity....its not necessarily those that actually go on to do it. The stats on that seem hard to find, given that most highflyers in companies are suspected to be sociopaths to some degree then it does not seem out of line
OK, so that's 7000 potential serial killers in the UK. But even if all the murders are done by serial killers, and even if they're averaging one murder a year (which would be a really peculiar detective novel), that's still 90% of potential serial killers managing to resist the urge. Let's focus on the positives here.
As someone pointed out with shipman, not all murders are counted as murders at the time. We only have a figure for murders per year that are obviously murders. About 11k a year simply go missing in the uk some of those will be murders for example
Where's that figure from? I don't think it's anything like correct.
There are about 350k missing person calls every year, but that relates to only about 150k people (as quite a lot are people who regularly go missing for a period of time). About 99% of those are cleared up within a year - either because the person turns up alive or, less commonly, dead (in which case the cause of death would be recorded including if foul play is suspected).
So that's about 1,500 each year who are missing for over a year. Some of those will be included in the murder statistics already as they will include cases where a murder investigation is opened in the absence of a body. Quite a few will be people who have quite deliberately gone missing and don't want to be found - and Police will stop looking if there's evidence of that and the individual isn't wanted by them for other reasons. A few will be unreported murders, although quite often by the people who reported them missing ("I'm terribly worried about my wife, officer...")
So no doubt a few, but 11k cannot possibly be right.
Pagan2 has a rather bleak view of the world. Fortunately it doesn’t seem to be an accurate one.
Perhaps that is because most of my life I have had to live in poorer areas and not leafy suburbs like most posters here seem to? For example less than a year ago got woken up ny the guy upstairs hammering on my door after being stabbed in the chest by his girlfriend in a drunken row. Robbery, violence, gang shit was part of everyday life in those areas. Apologies for not living in better areas where the only crime you ever see is your neighbour allowing his grass to grow above regulation height.
Cry me a river. We’ve all been through shit. Some of which you can barely imagine. Your circumstances are just one of a number on here from a variety of backgrounds.
Morning All. Like kjh i’ve been on one of these courses, and like him found it interesting. I suspect that if Braverman had gone on the course it would’ve been a nine days wonder, but a lot of people here would’ve said ‘good on her’ for doing it. I think that she’s now got the worst of all possible worlds, as has Sunak.
I've been on one too, and found it less interesting. My crime was 27 in a 30 in anti-car Bath. The section of road at 20 comes after sections at 60, then 30, then 40 then 30 in the space of about a mile. Since my 'offence' huge areas of Bath have become 20 limits (all the hills from the South side at least are now 20).
Many on my course had been driving far faster than me in areas with much higher limits. After the course I still felt wrongfully 'convicted' and only came away with a sense that this country likes to go after easy offences rather than hard ones. Middle class 'speeders' are the easy target.
Isn't it swings and roundabouts though.
In 51 years of driving I have been caught on cameras twice. Once was points the other, the course. In both cases I thought they were unreasonable under the circumstances (for reasons I won't go into here). However it is only twice in 51 years and there must be dozens of times where I have been speed slightly and it wasn't unreasonable to do me and I haven't been caught. So I take it on the chin.
I doubt a policeman would have booked me in either case taking into account the circumstance but cameras are cheaper than policeman.
On that front I have been stopped by the police 3 times and in all 3 cases let off and in all 3 cases I was in the wrong. In one case I had brain failure so a penalty would have been pointless, but in the other two I was banged to rights and they used their discretion. Two of the instances were quite funny stories, but too embarrassing to tell here.
People have admitted to smashing whores, driving a Ford Galaxy and voting UKIP on here. What is left that is too embarrassing?
Statisically speaking and assuming a number of people posting here is about 500 though most are irregular posters then there is about a 5% chance one of us is a serial killer and hasn't bared their soul here
What? That can't be right, surely. 1 in (500*20=) 10000 people is a serial killer? Or are you controlling for the fact that very odd people are more likely to be drawn to pb.com?
How many posters DO we have? My FITA guess is that 98% of posts are from around 120 people - and for the past four years or so it's been give or take 5%, the same 120 people. I wonder how many lurkers we have?
apparently the % of serial killers is about 1 in 10000 with the proclivity....its not necessarily those that actually go on to do it. The stats on that seem hard to find, given that most highflyers in companies are suspected to be sociopaths to some degree then it does not seem out of line
OK, so that's 7000 potential serial killers in the UK. But even if all the murders are done by serial killers, and even if they're averaging one murder a year (which would be a really peculiar detective novel), that's still 90% of potential serial killers managing to resist the urge. Let's focus on the positives here.
I was just in Hurghada with a Sun journalist who had brilliant/scary crime stories (and tons of excellent gossip - OMG Nicola Sturgeon!) - ANYWAY he said recently he’d been working on a series on “Britain’s youngest criminals” and they had unearthed a serial killer age… 12
That article doesn't have a 12 year old "serial killer". They are a 12 year old "serial sex offender". Which is horrendous, of course, but I think Leon has exaggerated his anecdote a little for dramatic effect, in an historic first for PB.
Also wtf are you talking about. From that article
“Among the group is one aged 12; two aged 13; and 11 boys aged 14 who were arrested for murder.”
A 12 year old murderer. That could be him
It's quite unlikely given that, if he'd been a serial killer rather than simply a killer, I'd very much expect a Sun journalist to mention it, as they aren't given to burying the lead.
There is a reference in the article to a 12 year old "serial sex offender", which leads me to suggest you've exaggerated, or at least misremembered, the position.
Morning All. Like kjh i’ve been on one of these courses, and like him found it interesting. I suspect that if Braverman had gone on the course it would’ve been a nine days wonder, but a lot of people here would’ve said ‘good on her’ for doing it. I think that she’s now got the worst of all possible worlds, as has Sunak.
I've been on one too, and found it less interesting. My crime was 27 in a 30 in anti-car Bath. The section of road at 20 comes after sections at 60, then 30, then 40 then 30 in the space of about a mile. Since my 'offence' huge areas of Bath have become 20 limits (all the hills from the South side at least are now 20).
Many on my course had been driving far faster than me in areas with much higher limits. After the course I still felt wrongfully 'convicted' and only came away with a sense that this country likes to go after easy offences rather than hard ones. Middle class 'speeders' are the easy target.
Isn't it swings and roundabouts though.
In 51 years of driving I have been caught on cameras twice. Once was points the other, the course. In both cases I thought they were unreasonable under the circumstances (for reasons I won't go into here). However it is only twice in 51 years and there must be dozens of times where I have been speed slightly and it wasn't unreasonable to do me and I haven't been caught. So I take it on the chin.
I doubt a policeman would have booked me in either case taking into account the circumstance but cameras are cheaper than policeman.
On that front I have been stopped by the police 3 times and in all 3 cases let off and in all 3 cases I was in the wrong. In one case I had brain failure so a penalty would have been pointless, but in the other two I was banged to rights and they used their discretion. Two of the instances were quite funny stories, but too embarrassing to tell here.
People have admitted to smashing whores, driving a Ford Galaxy and voting UKIP on here. What is left that is too embarrassing?
Statisically speaking and assuming a number of people posting here is about 500 though most are irregular posters then there is about a 5% chance one of us is a serial killer and hasn't bared their soul here
What? That can't be right, surely. 1 in (500*20=) 10000 people is a serial killer? Or are you controlling for the fact that very odd people are more likely to be drawn to pb.com?
How many posters DO we have? My FITA guess is that 98% of posts are from around 120 people - and for the past four years or so it's been give or take 5%, the same 120 people. I wonder how many lurkers we have?
apparently the % of serial killers is about 1 in 10000 with the proclivity....its not necessarily those that actually go on to do it. The stats on that seem hard to find, given that most highflyers in companies are suspected to be sociopaths to some degree then it does not seem out of line
OK, so that's 7000 potential serial killers in the UK. But even if all the murders are done by serial killers, and even if they're averaging one murder a year (which would be a really peculiar detective novel), that's still 90% of potential serial killers managing to resist the urge. Let's focus on the positives here.
As someone pointed out with shipman, not all murders are counted as murders at the time. We only have a figure for murders per year that are obviously murders. About 11k a year simply go missing in the uk some of those will be murders for example
Where's that figure from? I don't think it's anything like correct.
There are about 350k missing person calls every year, but that relates to only about 150k people (as quite a lot are people who regularly go missing for a period of time). About 99% of those are cleared up within a year - either because the person turns up alive or, less commonly, dead (in which case the cause of death would be recorded including if foul play is suspected).
So that's about 1,500 each year who are missing for over a year. Some of those will be included in the murder statistics already as they will include cases where a murder investigation is opened in the absence of a body. Quite a few will be people who have quite deliberately gone missing and don't want to be found - and Police will stop looking if there's evidence of that and the individual isn't wanted by them for other reasons. A few will be unreported murders, although quite often by the people who reported them missing ("I'm terribly worried about my wife, officer...")
So no doubt a few, but 11k cannot possibly be right.
Pagan2 has a rather bleak view of the world. Fortunately it doesn’t seem to be an accurate one.
Perhaps that is because most of my life I have had to live in poorer areas and not leafy suburbs like most posters here seem to? For example less than a year ago got woken up ny the guy upstairs hammering on my door after being stabbed in the chest by his girlfriend in a drunken row. Robbery, violence, gang shit was part of everyday life in those areas. Apologies for not living in better areas where the only crime you ever see is your neighbour allowing his grass to grow above regulation height.
The fact your personal experience has been bad (for which I sympathise) does not mean it is typical.
All of us have lived lives that are average in some ways and not in others. Where statistics come in is enabling us to distinguish the assumptions we have from what is typical. We don't just get to make them up to fit our world view.
There are a lot more poor area's that good areas and not looking for sympathy I was pointing out that experience differs depending on where you live and amongst who you live with. Live in a leafy suburb as I now do and life is totally different to living in an urban poor area. Where I live now I can leave the front door unlocked while I nip out for an hour. Living in a poor area you would never do that and even if locked you could still be robbed even if you were in the house. Few of those crimes would ever get reported as people rarely had insurance so didn't need a crime number and not like reporting them would get you any where but could get you in the shit
Morning All. Like kjh i’ve been on one of these courses, and like him found it interesting. I suspect that if Braverman had gone on the course it would’ve been a nine days wonder, but a lot of people here would’ve said ‘good on her’ for doing it. I think that she’s now got the worst of all possible worlds, as has Sunak.
I've been on one too, and found it less interesting. My crime was 27 in a 30 in anti-car Bath. The section of road at 20 comes after sections at 60, then 30, then 40 then 30 in the space of about a mile. Since my 'offence' huge areas of Bath have become 20 limits (all the hills from the South side at least are now 20).
Many on my course had been driving far faster than me in areas with much higher limits. After the course I still felt wrongfully 'convicted' and only came away with a sense that this country likes to go after easy offences rather than hard ones. Middle class 'speeders' are the easy target.
Isn't it swings and roundabouts though.
In 51 years of driving I have been caught on cameras twice. Once was points the other, the course. In both cases I thought they were unreasonable under the circumstances (for reasons I won't go into here). However it is only twice in 51 years and there must be dozens of times where I have been speed slightly and it wasn't unreasonable to do me and I haven't been caught. So I take it on the chin.
I doubt a policeman would have booked me in either case taking into account the circumstance but cameras are cheaper than policeman.
On that front I have been stopped by the police 3 times and in all 3 cases let off and in all 3 cases I was in the wrong. In one case I had brain failure so a penalty would have been pointless, but in the other two I was banged to rights and they used their discretion. Two of the instances were quite funny stories, but too embarrassing to tell here.
People have admitted to smashing whores, driving a Ford Galaxy and voting UKIP on here. What is left that is too embarrassing?
Statisically speaking and assuming a number of people posting here is about 500 though most are irregular posters then there is about a 5% chance one of us is a serial killer and hasn't bared their soul here
What? That can't be right, surely. 1 in (500*20=) 10000 people is a serial killer? Or are you controlling for the fact that very odd people are more likely to be drawn to pb.com?
How many posters DO we have? My FITA guess is that 98% of posts are from around 120 people - and for the past four years or so it's been give or take 5%, the same 120 people. I wonder how many lurkers we have?
apparently the % of serial killers is about 1 in 10000 with the proclivity....its not necessarily those that actually go on to do it. The stats on that seem hard to find, given that most highflyers in companies are suspected to be sociopaths to some degree then it does not seem out of line
OK, so that's 7000 potential serial killers in the UK. But even if all the murders are done by serial killers, and even if they're averaging one murder a year (which would be a really peculiar detective novel), that's still 90% of potential serial killers managing to resist the urge. Let's focus on the positives here.
I was just in Hurghada with a Sun journalist who had brilliant/scary crime stories (and tons of excellent gossip - OMG Nicola Sturgeon!) - ANYWAY he said recently he’d been working on a series on “Britain’s youngest criminals” and they had unearthed a serial killer age… 12
That article doesn't have a 12 year old "serial killer". They are a 12 year old "serial sex offender". Which is horrendous, of course, but I think Leon has exaggerated his anecdote a little for dramatic effect, in an historic first for PB.
Also wtf are you talking about. From that article
“Among the group is one aged 12; two aged 13; and 11 boys aged 14 who were arrested for murder.”
A 12 year old murderer. That could be him
It's quite unlikely given that, if he'd been a serial killer rather than simply a killer, I'd very much expect a Sun journalist to mention it, as they aren't given to burying the lead.
There is a reference in the article to a 12 year old "serial sex offender", which leads me to suggest you've exaggerated, or at least misremembered, the position.
Lol. You didn’t read the article. They found a 12 year old murderer. As he told me
I imagine they can’t go into any further details (serial?) as the crime is hedged around with terrific legal sensitivities and anything more could lead to identification - as he also told me
I mean, it’s fine. It’s just that I’m the one on pb bringing you juicy real life UK news stories and I’m in a fucking van in the Sahara
Voters back Sir Keir Starmer over Rishi Sunak on housing after a clear divide opened up between Labour and the Conservatives over the issue of homebuilding.
Just one in ten under-50s think the Conservatives have a better plan after the prime minister scrapped targets for new homes and ruled out building on the green belt.
Last week Starmer told The Times he would give councils new powers to build in the green belt in order to boost the supply of new housing, accusing the government of killing “the aspiration of homeowning for a whole generation”.
Voters back Sir Keir Starmer over Rishi Sunak on housing after a clear divide opened up between Labour and the Conservatives over the issue of homebuilding.
Just one in ten under-50s think the Conservatives have a better plan after the prime minister scrapped targets for new homes and ruled out building on the green belt.
Last week Starmer told The Times he would give councils new powers to build in the green belt in order to boost the supply of new housing, accusing the government of killing “the aspiration of homeowning for a whole generation”.
I assume the ’ha ha, mad, slanderous cat woman is bankrupted’ narrative will now move on seamlessly to ‘ha ha, look at all those suckers giving their money to grifter cat woman’.
Morning All. Like kjh i’ve been on one of these courses, and like him found it interesting. I suspect that if Braverman had gone on the course it would’ve been a nine days wonder, but a lot of people here would’ve said ‘good on her’ for doing it. I think that she’s now got the worst of all possible worlds, as has Sunak.
I've been on one too, and found it less interesting. My crime was 27 in a 30 in anti-car Bath. The section of road at 20 comes after sections at 60, then 30, then 40 then 30 in the space of about a mile. Since my 'offence' huge areas of Bath have become 20 limits (all the hills from the South side at least are now 20).
Many on my course had been driving far faster than me in areas with much higher limits. After the course I still felt wrongfully 'convicted' and only came away with a sense that this country likes to go after easy offences rather than hard ones. Middle class 'speeders' are the easy target.
Isn't it swings and roundabouts though.
In 51 years of driving I have been caught on cameras twice. Once was points the other, the course. In both cases I thought they were unreasonable under the circumstances (for reasons I won't go into here). However it is only twice in 51 years and there must be dozens of times where I have been speed slightly and it wasn't unreasonable to do me and I haven't been caught. So I take it on the chin.
I doubt a policeman would have booked me in either case taking into account the circumstance but cameras are cheaper than policeman.
On that front I have been stopped by the police 3 times and in all 3 cases let off and in all 3 cases I was in the wrong. In one case I had brain failure so a penalty would have been pointless, but in the other two I was banged to rights and they used their discretion. Two of the instances were quite funny stories, but too embarrassing to tell here.
People have admitted to smashing whores, driving a Ford Galaxy and voting UKIP on here. What is left that is too embarrassing?
Statisically speaking and assuming a number of people posting here is about 500 though most are irregular posters then there is about a 5% chance one of us is a serial killer and hasn't bared their soul here
What? That can't be right, surely. 1 in (500*20=) 10000 people is a serial killer? Or are you controlling for the fact that very odd people are more likely to be drawn to pb.com?
How many posters DO we have? My FITA guess is that 98% of posts are from around 120 people - and for the past four years or so it's been give or take 5%, the same 120 people. I wonder how many lurkers we have?
apparently the % of serial killers is about 1 in 10000 with the proclivity....its not necessarily those that actually go on to do it. The stats on that seem hard to find, given that most highflyers in companies are suspected to be sociopaths to some degree then it does not seem out of line
OK, so that's 7000 potential serial killers in the UK. But even if all the murders are done by serial killers, and even if they're averaging one murder a year (which would be a really peculiar detective novel), that's still 90% of potential serial killers managing to resist the urge. Let's focus on the positives here.
I was just in Hurghada with a Sun journalist who had brilliant/scary crime stories (and tons of excellent gossip - OMG Nicola Sturgeon!) - ANYWAY he said recently he’d been working on a series on “Britain’s youngest criminals” and they had unearthed a serial killer age… 12
That article doesn't have a 12 year old "serial killer". They are a 12 year old "serial sex offender". Which is horrendous, of course, but I think Leon has exaggerated his anecdote a little for dramatic effect, in an historic first for PB.
Also wtf are you talking about. From that article
“Among the group is one aged 12; two aged 13; and 11 boys aged 14 who were arrested for murder.”
A 12 year old murderer. That could be him
It's quite unlikely given that, if he'd been a serial killer rather than simply a killer, I'd very much expect a Sun journalist to mention it, as they aren't given to burying the lead.
There is a reference in the article to a 12 year old "serial sex offender", which leads me to suggest you've exaggerated, or at least misremembered, the position.
Lol. You didn’t read the article. They found a 12 year old murderer. As he told me
I imagine they can’t go into any further details (serial?) as the crime is hedged around with terrific legal sensitivities and anything more could lead to identification - as he also told me
I mean, it’s fine. It’s just that I’m the one on pb bringing you juicy real life UK news stories and I’m in a fucking van in the Sahara
Shape up
Point of order (and you should know this given your history) arrested for murder does not make him a murderer, let alone a serial killer.
Morning All. Like kjh i’ve been on one of these courses, and like him found it interesting. I suspect that if Braverman had gone on the course it would’ve been a nine days wonder, but a lot of people here would’ve said ‘good on her’ for doing it. I think that she’s now got the worst of all possible worlds, as has Sunak.
I've been on one too, and found it less interesting. My crime was 27 in a 30 in anti-car Bath. The section of road at 20 comes after sections at 60, then 30, then 40 then 30 in the space of about a mile. Since my 'offence' huge areas of Bath have become 20 limits (all the hills from the South side at least are now 20).
Many on my course had been driving far faster than me in areas with much higher limits. After the course I still felt wrongfully 'convicted' and only came away with a sense that this country likes to go after easy offences rather than hard ones. Middle class 'speeders' are the easy target.
Isn't it swings and roundabouts though.
In 51 years of driving I have been caught on cameras twice. Once was points the other, the course. In both cases I thought they were unreasonable under the circumstances (for reasons I won't go into here). However it is only twice in 51 years and there must be dozens of times where I have been speed slightly and it wasn't unreasonable to do me and I haven't been caught. So I take it on the chin.
I doubt a policeman would have booked me in either case taking into account the circumstance but cameras are cheaper than policeman.
On that front I have been stopped by the police 3 times and in all 3 cases let off and in all 3 cases I was in the wrong. In one case I had brain failure so a penalty would have been pointless, but in the other two I was banged to rights and they used their discretion. Two of the instances were quite funny stories, but too embarrassing to tell here.
People have admitted to smashing whores, driving a Ford Galaxy and voting UKIP on here. What is left that is too embarrassing?
Statisically speaking and assuming a number of people posting here is about 500 though most are irregular posters then there is about a 5% chance one of us is a serial killer and hasn't bared their soul here
What? That can't be right, surely. 1 in (500*20=) 10000 people is a serial killer? Or are you controlling for the fact that very odd people are more likely to be drawn to pb.com?
How many posters DO we have? My FITA guess is that 98% of posts are from around 120 people - and for the past four years or so it's been give or take 5%, the same 120 people. I wonder how many lurkers we have?
apparently the % of serial killers is about 1 in 10000 with the proclivity....its not necessarily those that actually go on to do it. The stats on that seem hard to find, given that most highflyers in companies are suspected to be sociopaths to some degree then it does not seem out of line
OK, so that's 7000 potential serial killers in the UK. But even if all the murders are done by serial killers, and even if they're averaging one murder a year (which would be a really peculiar detective novel), that's still 90% of potential serial killers managing to resist the urge. Let's focus on the positives here.
As someone pointed out with shipman, not all murders are counted as murders at the time. We only have a figure for murders per year that are obviously murders. About 11k a year simply go missing in the uk some of those will be murders for example
Where's that figure from? I don't think it's anything like correct.
There are about 350k missing person calls every year, but that relates to only about 150k people (as quite a lot are people who regularly go missing for a period of time). About 99% of those are cleared up within a year - either because the person turns up alive or, less commonly, dead (in which case the cause of death would be recorded including if foul play is suspected).
So that's about 1,500 each year who are missing for over a year. Some of those will be included in the murder statistics already as they will include cases where a murder investigation is opened in the absence of a body. Quite a few will be people who have quite deliberately gone missing and don't want to be found - and Police will stop looking if there's evidence of that and the individual isn't wanted by them for other reasons. A few will be unreported murders, although quite often by the people who reported them missing ("I'm terribly worried about my wife, officer...")
So no doubt a few, but 11k cannot possibly be right.
Pagan2 has a rather bleak view of the world. Fortunately it doesn’t seem to be an accurate one.
Perhaps that is because most of my life I have had to live in poorer areas and not leafy suburbs like most posters here seem to? For example less than a year ago got woken up ny the guy upstairs hammering on my door after being stabbed in the chest by his girlfriend in a drunken row. Robbery, violence, gang shit was part of everyday life in those areas. Apologies for not living in better areas where the only crime you ever see is your neighbour allowing his grass to grow above regulation height.
The fact your personal experience has been bad (for which I sympathise) does not mean it is typical.
All of us have lived lives that are average in some ways and not in others. Where statistics come in is enabling us to distinguish the assumptions we have from what is typical. We don't just get to make them up to fit our world view.
My stepmother once tried to stab me. On Boxing Day. Beat that
Morning All. Like kjh i’ve been on one of these courses, and like him found it interesting. I suspect that if Braverman had gone on the course it would’ve been a nine days wonder, but a lot of people here would’ve said ‘good on her’ for doing it. I think that she’s now got the worst of all possible worlds, as has Sunak.
I've been on one too, and found it less interesting. My crime was 27 in a 30 in anti-car Bath. The section of road at 20 comes after sections at 60, then 30, then 40 then 30 in the space of about a mile. Since my 'offence' huge areas of Bath have become 20 limits (all the hills from the South side at least are now 20).
Many on my course had been driving far faster than me in areas with much higher limits. After the course I still felt wrongfully 'convicted' and only came away with a sense that this country likes to go after easy offences rather than hard ones. Middle class 'speeders' are the easy target.
Isn't it swings and roundabouts though.
In 51 years of driving I have been caught on cameras twice. Once was points the other, the course. In both cases I thought they were unreasonable under the circumstances (for reasons I won't go into here). However it is only twice in 51 years and there must be dozens of times where I have been speed slightly and it wasn't unreasonable to do me and I haven't been caught. So I take it on the chin.
I doubt a policeman would have booked me in either case taking into account the circumstance but cameras are cheaper than policeman.
On that front I have been stopped by the police 3 times and in all 3 cases let off and in all 3 cases I was in the wrong. In one case I had brain failure so a penalty would have been pointless, but in the other two I was banged to rights and they used their discretion. Two of the instances were quite funny stories, but too embarrassing to tell here.
People have admitted to smashing whores, driving a Ford Galaxy and voting UKIP on here. What is left that is too embarrassing?
Statisically speaking and assuming a number of people posting here is about 500 though most are irregular posters then there is about a 5% chance one of us is a serial killer and hasn't bared their soul here
Classic hiding-in-plain-sight post.
The taunting little notes - we've all seen it on the telly.
Speaking of boring journeys I am 5 hours into a 10 hour drive to Cairo. Come on PB, entertain me. This scintilla of an iota of a microdot of a Suella Braverman scandal isn’t really doing it
You could always post some pictures of your lunch, scenic views and comic capers by the locals and come back and view them later on in your journey.
Lunch:
It’s full of “premium Egyptian whisky” - which actually isn’t that bad. Sunflower seeds for solids
Morning All. Like kjh i’ve been on one of these courses, and like him found it interesting. I suspect that if Braverman had gone on the course it would’ve been a nine days wonder, but a lot of people here would’ve said ‘good on her’ for doing it. I think that she’s now got the worst of all possible worlds, as has Sunak.
I've been on one too, and found it less interesting. My crime was 27 in a 30 in anti-car Bath. The section of road at 20 comes after sections at 60, then 30, then 40 then 30 in the space of about a mile. Since my 'offence' huge areas of Bath have become 20 limits (all the hills from the South side at least are now 20).
Many on my course had been driving far faster than me in areas with much higher limits. After the course I still felt wrongfully 'convicted' and only came away with a sense that this country likes to go after easy offences rather than hard ones. Middle class 'speeders' are the easy target.
Isn't it swings and roundabouts though.
In 51 years of driving I have been caught on cameras twice. Once was points the other, the course. In both cases I thought they were unreasonable under the circumstances (for reasons I won't go into here). However it is only twice in 51 years and there must be dozens of times where I have been speed slightly and it wasn't unreasonable to do me and I haven't been caught. So I take it on the chin.
I doubt a policeman would have booked me in either case taking into account the circumstance but cameras are cheaper than policeman.
On that front I have been stopped by the police 3 times and in all 3 cases let off and in all 3 cases I was in the wrong. In one case I had brain failure so a penalty would have been pointless, but in the other two I was banged to rights and they used their discretion. Two of the instances were quite funny stories, but too embarrassing to tell here.
People have admitted to smashing whores, driving a Ford Galaxy and voting UKIP on here. What is left that is too embarrassing?
Statisically speaking and assuming a number of people posting here is about 500 though most are irregular posters then there is about a 5% chance one of us is a serial killer and hasn't bared their soul here
What? That can't be right, surely. 1 in (500*20=) 10000 people is a serial killer? Or are you controlling for the fact that very odd people are more likely to be drawn to pb.com?
How many posters DO we have? My FITA guess is that 98% of posts are from around 120 people - and for the past four years or so it's been give or take 5%, the same 120 people. I wonder how many lurkers we have?
apparently the % of serial killers is about 1 in 10000 with the proclivity....its not necessarily those that actually go on to do it. The stats on that seem hard to find, given that most highflyers in companies are suspected to be sociopaths to some degree then it does not seem out of line
OK, so that's 7000 potential serial killers in the UK. But even if all the murders are done by serial killers, and even if they're averaging one murder a year (which would be a really peculiar detective novel), that's still 90% of potential serial killers managing to resist the urge. Let's focus on the positives here.
As someone pointed out with shipman, not all murders are counted as murders at the time. We only have a figure for murders per year that are obviously murders. About 11k a year simply go missing in the uk some of those will be murders for example
Where's that figure from? I don't think it's anything like correct.
There are about 350k missing person calls every year, but that relates to only about 150k people (as quite a lot are people who regularly go missing for a period of time). About 99% of those are cleared up within a year - either because the person turns up alive or, less commonly, dead (in which case the cause of death would be recorded including if foul play is suspected).
So that's about 1,500 each year who are missing for over a year. Some of those will be included in the murder statistics already as they will include cases where a murder investigation is opened in the absence of a body. Quite a few will be people who have quite deliberately gone missing and don't want to be found - and Police will stop looking if there's evidence of that and the individual isn't wanted by them for other reasons. A few will be unreported murders, although quite often by the people who reported them missing ("I'm terribly worried about my wife, officer...")
So no doubt a few, but 11k cannot possibly be right.
Pagan2 has a rather bleak view of the world. Fortunately it doesn’t seem to be an accurate one.
Perhaps that is because most of my life I have had to live in poorer areas and not leafy suburbs like most posters here seem to? For example less than a year ago got woken up ny the guy upstairs hammering on my door after being stabbed in the chest by his girlfriend in a drunken row. Robbery, violence, gang shit was part of everyday life in those areas. Apologies for not living in better areas where the only crime you ever see is your neighbour allowing his grass to grow above regulation height.
The fact your personal experience has been bad (for which I sympathise) does not mean it is typical.
All of us have lived lives that are average in some ways and not in others. Where statistics come in is enabling us to distinguish the assumptions we have from what is typical. We don't just get to make them up to fit our world view.
My stepmother once tried to stab me. On Boxing Day. Beat that
Morning All. Like kjh i’ve been on one of these courses, and like him found it interesting. I suspect that if Braverman had gone on the course it would’ve been a nine days wonder, but a lot of people here would’ve said ‘good on her’ for doing it. I think that she’s now got the worst of all possible worlds, as has Sunak.
I've been on one too, and found it less interesting. My crime was 27 in a 30 in anti-car Bath. The section of road at 20 comes after sections at 60, then 30, then 40 then 30 in the space of about a mile. Since my 'offence' huge areas of Bath have become 20 limits (all the hills from the South side at least are now 20).
Many on my course had been driving far faster than me in areas with much higher limits. After the course I still felt wrongfully 'convicted' and only came away with a sense that this country likes to go after easy offences rather than hard ones. Middle class 'speeders' are the easy target.
Isn't it swings and roundabouts though.
In 51 years of driving I have been caught on cameras twice. Once was points the other, the course. In both cases I thought they were unreasonable under the circumstances (for reasons I won't go into here). However it is only twice in 51 years and there must be dozens of times where I have been speed slightly and it wasn't unreasonable to do me and I haven't been caught. So I take it on the chin.
I doubt a policeman would have booked me in either case taking into account the circumstance but cameras are cheaper than policeman.
On that front I have been stopped by the police 3 times and in all 3 cases let off and in all 3 cases I was in the wrong. In one case I had brain failure so a penalty would have been pointless, but in the other two I was banged to rights and they used their discretion. Two of the instances were quite funny stories, but too embarrassing to tell here.
People have admitted to smashing whores, driving a Ford Galaxy and voting UKIP on here. What is left that is too embarrassing?
Statisically speaking and assuming a number of people posting here is about 500 though most are irregular posters then there is about a 5% chance one of us is a serial killer and hasn't bared their soul here
What? That can't be right, surely. 1 in (500*20=) 10000 people is a serial killer? Or are you controlling for the fact that very odd people are more likely to be drawn to pb.com?
How many posters DO we have? My FITA guess is that 98% of posts are from around 120 people - and for the past four years or so it's been give or take 5%, the same 120 people. I wonder how many lurkers we have?
apparently the % of serial killers is about 1 in 10000 with the proclivity....its not necessarily those that actually go on to do it. The stats on that seem hard to find, given that most highflyers in companies are suspected to be sociopaths to some degree then it does not seem out of line
OK, so that's 7000 potential serial killers in the UK. But even if all the murders are done by serial killers, and even if they're averaging one murder a year (which would be a really peculiar detective novel), that's still 90% of potential serial killers managing to resist the urge. Let's focus on the positives here.
I was just in Hurghada with a Sun journalist who had brilliant/scary crime stories (and tons of excellent gossip - OMG Nicola Sturgeon!) - ANYWAY he said recently he’d been working on a series on “Britain’s youngest criminals” and they had unearthed a serial killer age… 12
That article doesn't have a 12 year old "serial killer". They are a 12 year old "serial sex offender". Which is horrendous, of course, but I think Leon has exaggerated his anecdote a little for dramatic effect, in an historic first for PB.
Also wtf are you talking about. From that article
“Among the group is one aged 12; two aged 13; and 11 boys aged 14 who were arrested for murder.”
A 12 year old murderer. That could be him
It's quite unlikely given that, if he'd been a serial killer rather than simply a killer, I'd very much expect a Sun journalist to mention it, as they aren't given to burying the lead.
There is a reference in the article to a 12 year old "serial sex offender", which leads me to suggest you've exaggerated, or at least misremembered, the position.
Lol. You didn’t read the article. They found a 12 year old murderer. As he told me
I imagine they can’t go into any further details (serial?) as the crime is hedged around with terrific legal sensitivities and anything more could lead to identification - as he also told me
I mean, it’s fine. It’s just that I’m the one on pb bringing you juicy real life UK news stories and I’m in a fucking van in the Sahara
Shape up
Point of order (and you should know this given your history) arrested for murder does not make him a murderer, let alone a serial killer.
Over-reach on the 'vindicated' old chap...
I imagine, in that case, you won’t want to hear the extraordinary gossip I heard about *a certain Scottish politician* from the same source?
That’s fine. I’ll just tell other people and you’ll never know
Morning All. Like kjh i’ve been on one of these courses, and like him found it interesting. I suspect that if Braverman had gone on the course it would’ve been a nine days wonder, but a lot of people here would’ve said ‘good on her’ for doing it. I think that she’s now got the worst of all possible worlds, as has Sunak.
I've been on one too, and found it less interesting. My crime was 27 in a 30 in anti-car Bath. The section of road at 20 comes after sections at 60, then 30, then 40 then 30 in the space of about a mile. Since my 'offence' huge areas of Bath have become 20 limits (all the hills from the South side at least are now 20).
Many on my course had been driving far faster than me in areas with much higher limits. After the course I still felt wrongfully 'convicted' and only came away with a sense that this country likes to go after easy offences rather than hard ones. Middle class 'speeders' are the easy target.
Isn't it swings and roundabouts though.
In 51 years of driving I have been caught on cameras twice. Once was points the other, the course. In both cases I thought they were unreasonable under the circumstances (for reasons I won't go into here). However it is only twice in 51 years and there must be dozens of times where I have been speed slightly and it wasn't unreasonable to do me and I haven't been caught. So I take it on the chin.
I doubt a policeman would have booked me in either case taking into account the circumstance but cameras are cheaper than policeman.
On that front I have been stopped by the police 3 times and in all 3 cases let off and in all 3 cases I was in the wrong. In one case I had brain failure so a penalty would have been pointless, but in the other two I was banged to rights and they used their discretion. Two of the instances were quite funny stories, but too embarrassing to tell here.
People have admitted to smashing whores, driving a Ford Galaxy and voting UKIP on here. What is left that is too embarrassing?
Statisically speaking and assuming a number of people posting here is about 500 though most are irregular posters then there is about a 5% chance one of us is a serial killer and hasn't bared their soul here
Classic hiding-in-plain-sight post.
The taunting little notes - we've all seen it on the telly.
‘Luv, where’s my suit made from the skin of one of my victims? Just logging on to PB for the evening.’
Morning All. Like kjh i’ve been on one of these courses, and like him found it interesting. I suspect that if Braverman had gone on the course it would’ve been a nine days wonder, but a lot of people here would’ve said ‘good on her’ for doing it. I think that she’s now got the worst of all possible worlds, as has Sunak.
I've been on one too, and found it less interesting. My crime was 27 in a 30 in anti-car Bath. The section of road at 20 comes after sections at 60, then 30, then 40 then 30 in the space of about a mile. Since my 'offence' huge areas of Bath have become 20 limits (all the hills from the South side at least are now 20).
Many on my course had been driving far faster than me in areas with much higher limits. After the course I still felt wrongfully 'convicted' and only came away with a sense that this country likes to go after easy offences rather than hard ones. Middle class 'speeders' are the easy target.
Isn't it swings and roundabouts though.
In 51 years of driving I have been caught on cameras twice. Once was points the other, the course. In both cases I thought they were unreasonable under the circumstances (for reasons I won't go into here). However it is only twice in 51 years and there must be dozens of times where I have been speed slightly and it wasn't unreasonable to do me and I haven't been caught. So I take it on the chin.
I doubt a policeman would have booked me in either case taking into account the circumstance but cameras are cheaper than policeman.
On that front I have been stopped by the police 3 times and in all 3 cases let off and in all 3 cases I was in the wrong. In one case I had brain failure so a penalty would have been pointless, but in the other two I was banged to rights and they used their discretion. Two of the instances were quite funny stories, but too embarrassing to tell here.
People have admitted to smashing whores, driving a Ford Galaxy and voting UKIP on here. What is left that is too embarrassing?
Statisically speaking and assuming a number of people posting here is about 500 though most are irregular posters then there is about a 5% chance one of us is a serial killer and hasn't bared their soul here
What? That can't be right, surely. 1 in (500*20=) 10000 people is a serial killer? Or are you controlling for the fact that very odd people are more likely to be drawn to pb.com?
How many posters DO we have? My FITA guess is that 98% of posts are from around 120 people - and for the past four years or so it's been give or take 5%, the same 120 people. I wonder how many lurkers we have?
apparently the % of serial killers is about 1 in 10000 with the proclivity....its not necessarily those that actually go on to do it. The stats on that seem hard to find, given that most highflyers in companies are suspected to be sociopaths to some degree then it does not seem out of line
OK, so that's 7000 potential serial killers in the UK. But even if all the murders are done by serial killers, and even if they're averaging one murder a year (which would be a really peculiar detective novel), that's still 90% of potential serial killers managing to resist the urge. Let's focus on the positives here.
As someone pointed out with shipman, not all murders are counted as murders at the time. We only have a figure for murders per year that are obviously murders. About 11k a year simply go missing in the uk some of those will be murders for example
Where's that figure from? I don't think it's anything like correct.
There are about 350k missing person calls every year, but that relates to only about 150k people (as quite a lot are people who regularly go missing for a period of time). About 99% of those are cleared up within a year - either because the person turns up alive or, less commonly, dead (in which case the cause of death would be recorded including if foul play is suspected).
So that's about 1,500 each year who are missing for over a year. Some of those will be included in the murder statistics already as they will include cases where a murder investigation is opened in the absence of a body. Quite a few will be people who have quite deliberately gone missing and don't want to be found - and Police will stop looking if there's evidence of that and the individual isn't wanted by them for other reasons. A few will be unreported murders, although quite often by the people who reported them missing ("I'm terribly worried about my wife, officer...")
So no doubt a few, but 11k cannot possibly be right.
Pagan2 has a rather bleak view of the world. Fortunately it doesn’t seem to be an accurate one.
Perhaps that is because most of my life I have had to live in poorer areas and not leafy suburbs like most posters here seem to? For example less than a year ago got woken up ny the guy upstairs hammering on my door after being stabbed in the chest by his girlfriend in a drunken row. Robbery, violence, gang shit was part of everyday life in those areas. Apologies for not living in better areas where the only crime you ever see is your neighbour allowing his grass to grow above regulation height.
The fact your personal experience has been bad (for which I sympathise) does not mean it is typical.
All of us have lived lives that are average in some ways and not in others. Where statistics come in is enabling us to distinguish the assumptions we have from what is typical. We don't just get to make them up to fit our world view.
There are a lot more poor area's that good areas and not looking for sympathy I was pointing out that experience differs depending on where you live and amongst who you live with. Live in a leafy suburb as I now do and life is totally different to living in an urban poor area. Where I live now I can leave the front door unlocked while I nip out for an hour. Living in a poor area you would never do that and even if locked you could still be robbed even if you were in the house. Few of those crimes would ever get reported as people rarely had insurance so didn't need a crime number and not like reporting them would get you any where but could get you in the shit
Are there "a lot more poor areas than good areas"?
It depends how you define these, of course, but around 20% of people live in households with less than 60% of median income after housing costs (which is quite a commonly used measure of poverty), so 80% don't. I'm not saying the 80% are well off, or that none of them live in "bad areas" (although not all the 20% live in "bad areas").
You might want to define it in another way... but you do really need to define it. Certainly, just asserting there are a lot more poor areas than good ones isn't really sufficient.
Morning All. Like kjh i’ve been on one of these courses, and like him found it interesting. I suspect that if Braverman had gone on the course it would’ve been a nine days wonder, but a lot of people here would’ve said ‘good on her’ for doing it. I think that she’s now got the worst of all possible worlds, as has Sunak.
I've been on one too, and found it less interesting. My crime was 27 in a 30 in anti-car Bath. The section of road at 20 comes after sections at 60, then 30, then 40 then 30 in the space of about a mile. Since my 'offence' huge areas of Bath have become 20 limits (all the hills from the South side at least are now 20).
Many on my course had been driving far faster than me in areas with much higher limits. After the course I still felt wrongfully 'convicted' and only came away with a sense that this country likes to go after easy offences rather than hard ones. Middle class 'speeders' are the easy target.
Isn't it swings and roundabouts though.
In 51 years of driving I have been caught on cameras twice. Once was points the other, the course. In both cases I thought they were unreasonable under the circumstances (for reasons I won't go into here). However it is only twice in 51 years and there must be dozens of times where I have been speed slightly and it wasn't unreasonable to do me and I haven't been caught. So I take it on the chin.
I doubt a policeman would have booked me in either case taking into account the circumstance but cameras are cheaper than policeman.
On that front I have been stopped by the police 3 times and in all 3 cases let off and in all 3 cases I was in the wrong. In one case I had brain failure so a penalty would have been pointless, but in the other two I was banged to rights and they used their discretion. Two of the instances were quite funny stories, but too embarrassing to tell here.
People have admitted to smashing whores, driving a Ford Galaxy and voting UKIP on here. What is left that is too embarrassing?
Statisically speaking and assuming a number of people posting here is about 500 though most are irregular posters then there is about a 5% chance one of us is a serial killer and hasn't bared their soul here
What? That can't be right, surely. 1 in (500*20=) 10000 people is a serial killer? Or are you controlling for the fact that very odd people are more likely to be drawn to pb.com?
How many posters DO we have? My FITA guess is that 98% of posts are from around 120 people - and for the past four years or so it's been give or take 5%, the same 120 people. I wonder how many lurkers we have?
apparently the % of serial killers is about 1 in 10000 with the proclivity....its not necessarily those that actually go on to do it. The stats on that seem hard to find, given that most highflyers in companies are suspected to be sociopaths to some degree then it does not seem out of line
OK, so that's 7000 potential serial killers in the UK. But even if all the murders are done by serial killers, and even if they're averaging one murder a year (which would be a really peculiar detective novel), that's still 90% of potential serial killers managing to resist the urge. Let's focus on the positives here.
I was just in Hurghada with a Sun journalist who had brilliant/scary crime stories (and tons of excellent gossip - OMG Nicola Sturgeon!) - ANYWAY he said recently he’d been working on a series on “Britain’s youngest criminals” and they had unearthed a serial killer age… 12
That article doesn't have a 12 year old "serial killer". They are a 12 year old "serial sex offender". Which is horrendous, of course, but I think Leon has exaggerated his anecdote a little for dramatic effect, in an historic first for PB.
Also wtf are you talking about. From that article
“Among the group is one aged 12; two aged 13; and 11 boys aged 14 who were arrested for murder.”
A 12 year old murderer. That could be him
It's quite unlikely given that, if he'd been a serial killer rather than simply a killer, I'd very much expect a Sun journalist to mention it, as they aren't given to burying the lead.
There is a reference in the article to a 12 year old "serial sex offender", which leads me to suggest you've exaggerated, or at least misremembered, the position.
Lol. You didn’t read the article. They found a 12 year old murderer. As he told me
I imagine they can’t go into any further details (serial?) as the crime is hedged around with terrific legal sensitivities and anything more could lead to identification - as he also told me
I mean, it’s fine. It’s just that I’m the one on pb bringing you juicy real life UK news stories and I’m in a fucking van in the Sahara
Shape up
Point of order (and you should know this given your history) arrested for murder does not make him a murderer, let alone a serial killer.
Over-reach on the 'vindicated' old chap...
I imagine, in that case, you won’t want to hear the extraordinary gossip I heard about *a certain Scottish politician* from the same source?
That’s fine. I’ll just tell other people and you’ll never know
And Leon being banned is just minutes away unless he loses his connection.
Morning All. Like kjh i’ve been on one of these courses, and like him found it interesting. I suspect that if Braverman had gone on the course it would’ve been a nine days wonder, but a lot of people here would’ve said ‘good on her’ for doing it. I think that she’s now got the worst of all possible worlds, as has Sunak.
I've been on one too, and found it less interesting. My crime was 27 in a 30 in anti-car Bath. The section of road at 20 comes after sections at 60, then 30, then 40 then 30 in the space of about a mile. Since my 'offence' huge areas of Bath have become 20 limits (all the hills from the South side at least are now 20).
Many on my course had been driving far faster than me in areas with much higher limits. After the course I still felt wrongfully 'convicted' and only came away with a sense that this country likes to go after easy offences rather than hard ones. Middle class 'speeders' are the easy target.
Isn't it swings and roundabouts though.
In 51 years of driving I have been caught on cameras twice. Once was points the other, the course. In both cases I thought they were unreasonable under the circumstances (for reasons I won't go into here). However it is only twice in 51 years and there must be dozens of times where I have been speed slightly and it wasn't unreasonable to do me and I haven't been caught. So I take it on the chin.
I doubt a policeman would have booked me in either case taking into account the circumstance but cameras are cheaper than policeman.
On that front I have been stopped by the police 3 times and in all 3 cases let off and in all 3 cases I was in the wrong. In one case I had brain failure so a penalty would have been pointless, but in the other two I was banged to rights and they used their discretion. Two of the instances were quite funny stories, but too embarrassing to tell here.
People have admitted to smashing whores, driving a Ford Galaxy and voting UKIP on here. What is left that is too embarrassing?
Statisically speaking and assuming a number of people posting here is about 500 though most are irregular posters then there is about a 5% chance one of us is a serial killer and hasn't bared their soul here
What? That can't be right, surely. 1 in (500*20=) 10000 people is a serial killer? Or are you controlling for the fact that very odd people are more likely to be drawn to pb.com?
How many posters DO we have? My FITA guess is that 98% of posts are from around 120 people - and for the past four years or so it's been give or take 5%, the same 120 people. I wonder how many lurkers we have?
apparently the % of serial killers is about 1 in 10000 with the proclivity....its not necessarily those that actually go on to do it. The stats on that seem hard to find, given that most highflyers in companies are suspected to be sociopaths to some degree then it does not seem out of line
OK, so that's 7000 potential serial killers in the UK. But even if all the murders are done by serial killers, and even if they're averaging one murder a year (which would be a really peculiar detective novel), that's still 90% of potential serial killers managing to resist the urge. Let's focus on the positives here.
As someone pointed out with shipman, not all murders are counted as murders at the time. We only have a figure for murders per year that are obviously murders. About 11k a year simply go missing in the uk some of those will be murders for example
Where's that figure from? I don't think it's anything like correct.
There are about 350k missing person calls every year, but that relates to only about 150k people (as quite a lot are people who regularly go missing for a period of time). About 99% of those are cleared up within a year - either because the person turns up alive or, less commonly, dead (in which case the cause of death would be recorded including if foul play is suspected).
So that's about 1,500 each year who are missing for over a year. Some of those will be included in the murder statistics already as they will include cases where a murder investigation is opened in the absence of a body. Quite a few will be people who have quite deliberately gone missing and don't want to be found - and Police will stop looking if there's evidence of that and the individual isn't wanted by them for other reasons. A few will be unreported murders, although quite often by the people who reported them missing ("I'm terribly worried about my wife, officer...")
So no doubt a few, but 11k cannot possibly be right.
Pagan2 has a rather bleak view of the world. Fortunately it doesn’t seem to be an accurate one.
Perhaps that is because most of my life I have had to live in poorer areas and not leafy suburbs like most posters here seem to? For example less than a year ago got woken up ny the guy upstairs hammering on my door after being stabbed in the chest by his girlfriend in a drunken row. Robbery, violence, gang shit was part of everyday life in those areas. Apologies for not living in better areas where the only crime you ever see is your neighbour allowing his grass to grow above regulation height.
The fact your personal experience has been bad (for which I sympathise) does not mean it is typical.
All of us have lived lives that are average in some ways and not in others. Where statistics come in is enabling us to distinguish the assumptions we have from what is typical. We don't just get to make them up to fit our world view.
My stepmother once tried to stab me. On Boxing Day. Beat that
I've got a website for you about the weird shit stepmothers get up with their stepsons (and the occasional stepdaughter) to that pale into comparison to your anecdote.
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Likewise first class on intercity trains. We are standard class on internal rail journeys now and the limited ability to do meaningful work in a seat with no table and a small ledge to balance a laptop more than offsets the saving, which often is as little as £50.
It's an easy discourse to want politicians to travel cheaply (or not have staff, or eat at nice restaurants with visiting bigwigs), but it is just another example of our culture of false economies and sweating assets, the same culture that constantly delays infrastructure projects and makes portakabins a quasi-permanent part of the school estate.
But that's not what happened. She formally asked her staff to do something formally.
A few startup airlines have tried running all-business-class flights between key city pairs, at cheaper prices than the regular airlines, and all have been failures.
The latter is less about false economies than sheer incompetence of decision making.
Or are you controlling for the fact that very odd people are more likely to be drawn to pb.com?
How many posters DO we have? My FITA guess is that 98% of posts are from around 120 people - and for the past four years or so it's been give or take 5%, the same 120 people. I wonder how many lurkers we have?
A great line “for the Tories the NHS is a cost not a cause “.
For Lab, the problem is that it is a cause, not an optimally efficient health service.
Must have been 10x the price of a standard ticket, and only a couple of flights per day, to save a few hours at very specific times.
Great fun for the human courier though!
I mean, really, how detached from reality (thick) do you have to be to think that the answer to any question of importance is someone as untrustworthy and creepy as Alex Salmond?
It's an amazing indictment of Tory performance on the NHS that Keir Starmer's new pledge *to meet NHS targets that already exist under the Tories* is being criticised as overambitious and undeliverable.
https://twitter.com/thhamilton/status/1660571293857579008
There’s a serial killer living amongst us!
https://www.theengineer.co.uk/content/news/south-yorkshire-invests-in-hybrid-air-vehicles-airlander-10-production-project
I believe these are not fully buoyant so do require aerodynamic lift.
Speed is about 100mph.
"Never underestimate the bandwidth of a semi trailer loaded with mag tape"
There was probably a point in time when putting tapes on Concorde was the optimum price/Mbit/sec for transatlantic data transfer...
Trudeau's 'manner legs' pose welcomed in Korea, criticized in Canada
https://m.koreatimes.co.kr/pages/article.asp?newsIdx=351384
It’s only 7hours. Not enough time for a real sleep. First is £9k? Biz is about £3k?
I speak as someone used to budget conditions and I can assure her Biz is tolerable
https://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/news/history/plymouths-crazy-idea-fly-blood-1194353
Suella Braverman ‘tried to get out of final vote on small boats bill’
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/may/21/suella-braverman-tried-to-get-out-of-final-vote-on-small-boats-bill
...The home secretary’s aides sent multiple emails over the course of several days to the Tory whips’ office requesting that she be “slipped”, or permitted to miss, the third reading of her department’s flagship legislation.
Sources said the chief whip, Simon Hart, eventually had to call Braverman directly to instruct her to attend the vote on the illegal migration bill, which had a three-line whip. They claimed that Braverman had wanted to visit a police station instead...
Writing in The Telegraph, Mohamed Mansour explains his reasons for giving £5m to the Conservative Party
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/05/21/mohamed-mansour-conservatives-biggest-donation-20-years/ (£££)
Although you could argue that's inefficient, it does at least limit the death toll. So hats off to our considerate serial killers.
Farooq is right, and it's not even remotely close:
https://www.ipsos.com/en-uk/ipsos-veracity-index-2022
'Trusted to tell the truth'
Government ministers 16%
Civil servants 56%
Yes. 12
The driver was unphased, and we had learned to just go with the flow by that time as we'd been there about a month.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/22076862/uk-youngest-criminals-rapist-murderers/
There are about 350k missing person calls every year, but that relates to only about 150k people (as quite a lot are people who regularly go missing for a period of time). About 99% of those are cleared up within a year - either because the person turns up alive or, less commonly, dead (in which case the cause of death would be recorded including if foul play is suspected).
So that's about 1,500 each year who are missing for over a year. Some of those will be included in the murder statistics already as they will include cases where a murder investigation is opened in the absence of a body. Quite a few will be people who have quite deliberately gone missing and don't want to be found - and Police will stop looking if there's evidence of that and the individual isn't wanted by them for other reasons. A few will be unreported murders, although quite often by the people who reported them missing ("I'm terribly worried about my wife, officer...")
So no doubt a few, but 11k cannot possibly be right.
Actually, Sunset Boulevard is pretty good when describing the current lot.
“The whole place seemed to have been stricken with a kind of creeping paralysis—out of beat with the rest of the world, crumbling apart in slow motion.”
"Sometimes it's interesting to see just how bad—bad governing can be. This promised to go the limit.”
Margaret Ferrier has just lost her appeal, so commons will now vote on suspension. She has no allies left so it will pass easily, and that opens a recall petition in Rutherglen.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-65671806
Tory gain nailed out.
If the Tories don’t gain it is the fault of Suella.
It’s full of “premium Egyptian whisky” - which actually isn’t that bad. Sunflower seeds for solids
Does the AI bot make the alien obsolete? Is the alien also an AI bot?
If the figure had been 3% of 350k that would have been in accordance with your view, and it's not a crazy number to pluck out of the air.
But, rather crucially, it is plucked out of the air by you, and the accurate figure is about 1,500 people who are reported missing that remain missing after a year.
“Among the group is one aged 12; two aged 13; and 11 boys aged 14 who were arrested for murder.”
A 12 year old murderer. That could be him
All of us have lived lives that are average in some ways and not in others. Where statistics come in is enabling us to distinguish the assumptions we have from what is typical. We don't just get to make them up to fit our world view.
There is a reference in the article to a 12 year old "serial sex offender", which leads me to suggest you've exaggerated, or at least misremembered, the position.
I imagine they can’t go into any further details (serial?) as the crime is hedged around with terrific legal sensitivities and anything more could lead to identification - as he also told me
I mean, it’s fine. It’s just that I’m the one on pb bringing you juicy real life UK news stories and I’m in a fucking van in the Sahara
Shape up
Over-reach on the 'vindicated' old chap...
P.S. and stop biting those fingernails.
That’s fine. I’ll just tell other people and you’ll never know
It depends how you define these, of course, but around 20% of people live in households with less than 60% of median income after housing costs (which is quite a commonly used measure of poverty), so 80% don't. I'm not saying the 80% are well off, or that none of them live in "bad areas" (although not all the 20% live in "bad areas").
You might want to define it in another way... but you do really need to define it. Certainly, just asserting there are a lot more poor areas than good ones isn't really sufficient.