Robert Jenrick being eviscerated by Chrishnan Guru-Murthy.
No wonder the Sunak regime is falling apart.
Sunak sounded like a rank amateur at PMQs today.
When it comes to actual politics, Rishi is an amateur. Catapulted into a safe seat, so he's never had the joy of trudging the streets of Grimup North in a futile attempt to get people to vote for him. An MP for not very long at all, then Chancellor, then PM. There's not really anything in his CV to prepare him for the fate he's now experiencing.
For the sake of balance, the greenness of Starmer should also be pointed out. But he's not trying to run the country at the same time as getting better at politics.
The flipside to the two incompetent at politics clowns running the two main parties is they do have some common sense going forward in terms of policy practicality and presentation. Johnson and Truss, it is claimed are consumate campaigners, but neither has a grip.on reality or a milligramme of common sense between them.
Elitist snob that I am, I'm not the only one who would prefer his doctors to have degrees?
NHS scheme will allow school leavers to train as doctors without traditional medical degree
New apprenticeships would put people on wards straight after their A-levels, instead of paying pricey fees for five years at university
School leavers will be able to start working as doctors without going to university, under new NHS plans to fix the growing staff crisis.
The apprenticeship scheme could allow one in 10 doctors to start work without a traditional medical degree, straight after their A-levels. A third of nurses are also expected to be trained under the "radical new approach".
It is the centrepiece of a long-delayed NHS workforce strategy, following warnings that staff shortages in England could reach half a million without action to find new ways to train and recruit health workers.
For life experience, you mean, or because unis will train them better technically? Not sure the latter has to apply. Eg if you have top A levels and then combine work experience with study in some non-uni setting I can see that this might produce good doctors?
There is something to be said for seeing how folk interact at an early stage - benefits both sides before they go too far. Mrs C did quite a bit of voluntary work with old folk when considering what university degree to go for. She went into another field, but to this day has much more sympathy and understanding with the old than many of us do.
But there are other ways to achieve that specific aim.
Maybe a plus for the idea is it might help more young people from poorer non-professional backgrounds into medicine? Those who are clever enough but are put off uni by the cost of it and the debt you have to take on.
Working class kids were hardly teeming into medicine before the introduction of fees.
Or into any profession for that matter.
It would be interesting to see whether there were more "working class" children accessing the professions back in the days of grammar schools. Love them or loathe them, they gave access to a level of education now reserved for those who can privately educate or are able to buy a house in an area that has a top performing school.
Of course, it also depends on your definition of "working class". Personally I think people who keep using this anachronistic term are as responsible for the maintenance of the class system as much as the worst middle class snob.
What is class? is a PB repeater that I don't wish to trigger but for me - in its serious political sense - it's about money rather than all of that 'using a fish knife' fun to talk about stuff. So you have rich and poor and shades of in between.
I think you have used the phrase often though have you not? Am I mixing you up with someone else, but did you not describe yourself as such?
Yes, I have done - but I said 'poorer non professional background' on this thread.
Excellent. I hope that you have removed the ghastly phrase from your otherwise relatively broad lexicon (well for a chartered accountant anyway)
The Nigel regime is all about policing other people's language.
I am not sure I like the sound of "The Nigel Regime". It sounds like a highly unpleasant fascist dictatorship in a dystopian parallel universe where Farage won a landslide and then decided to invade Ireland.
Suddenly the XTC song "We're only making plans for Nigel" takes on a much darker hue. A think tank in this alt-history Farageverse.
"Nigel Wants to go and see Depeche Mode" by Attila the Stockbroker.
TBF I'd have more confidence in GPs if they could actually write legible prescriptions. I would not be surprised if this was a cause of a fair few medical issues every year.
I think the vast majority are now electronic.
I didn't think AI had advanced quite that far just yet, but it would certainly solve the recruitment difficulties...
Elitist snob that I am, I'm not the only one who would prefer his doctors to have degrees?
NHS scheme will allow school leavers to train as doctors without traditional medical degree
New apprenticeships would put people on wards straight after their A-levels, instead of paying pricey fees for five years at university
School leavers will be able to start working as doctors without going to university, under new NHS plans to fix the growing staff crisis.
The apprenticeship scheme could allow one in 10 doctors to start work without a traditional medical degree, straight after their A-levels. A third of nurses are also expected to be trained under the "radical new approach".
It is the centrepiece of a long-delayed NHS workforce strategy, following warnings that staff shortages in England could reach half a million without action to find new ways to train and recruit health workers.
For life experience, you mean, or because unis will train them better technically? Not sure the latter has to apply. Eg if you have top A levels and then combine work experience with study in some non-uni setting I can see that this might produce good doctors?
There is something to be said for seeing how folk interact at an early stage - benefits both sides before they go too far. Mrs C did quite a bit of voluntary work with old folk when considering what university degree to go for. She went into another field, but to this day has much more sympathy and understanding with the old than many of us do.
But there are other ways to achieve that specific aim.
Maybe a plus for the idea is it might help more young people from poorer non-professional backgrounds into medicine? Those who are clever enough but are put off uni by the cost of it and the debt you have to take on.
Working class kids were hardly teeming into medicine before the introduction of fees.
Or into any profession for that matter.
It would be interesting to see whether there were more "working class" children accessing the professions back in the days of grammar schools. Love them or loathe them, they gave access to a level of education now reserved for those who can privately educate or are able to buy a house in an area that has a top performing school.
Of course, it also depends on your definition of "working class". Personally I think people who keep using this anachronistic term are as responsible for the maintenance of the class system as much as the worst middle class snob.
What is class? is a PB repeater that I don't wish to trigger but for me - in its serious political sense - it's about money rather than all of that 'using a fish knife' fun to talk about stuff. So you have rich and poor and shades of in between.
I think you have used the phrase often though have you not? Am I mixing you up with someone else, but did you not describe yourself as such?
Yes, I have done - but I said 'poorer non professional background' on this thread.
Excellent. I hope that you have removed the ghastly phrase from your otherwise relatively broad lexicon (well for a chartered accountant anyway)
The Nigel regime is all about policing other people's language.
I am not sure I like the sound of "The Nigel Regime". It sounds like a highly unpleasant fascist dictatorship in a dystopian parallel universe where Farage won a landslide and then decided to invade Ireland.
Suddenly the XTC song "We're only making plans for Nigel" takes on a much darker hue. A think tank in this alt-history Farageverse.
Oddly enough, I was listening to the Nouvelle Vague cover of that just last night :
Elitist snob that I am, I'm not the only one who would prefer his doctors to have degrees?
NHS scheme will allow school leavers to train as doctors without traditional medical degree
New apprenticeships would put people on wards straight after their A-levels, instead of paying pricey fees for five years at university
School leavers will be able to start working as doctors without going to university, under new NHS plans to fix the growing staff crisis.
The apprenticeship scheme could allow one in 10 doctors to start work without a traditional medical degree, straight after their A-levels. A third of nurses are also expected to be trained under the "radical new approach".
It is the centrepiece of a long-delayed NHS workforce strategy, following warnings that staff shortages in England could reach half a million without action to find new ways to train and recruit health workers.
For life experience, you mean, or because unis will train them better technically? Not sure the latter has to apply. Eg if you have top A levels and then combine work experience with study in some non-uni setting I can see that this might produce good doctors?
There is something to be said for seeing how folk interact at an early stage - benefits both sides before they go too far. Mrs C did quite a bit of voluntary work with old folk when considering what university degree to go for. She went into another field, but to this day has much more sympathy and understanding with the old than many of us do.
But there are other ways to achieve that specific aim.
Maybe a plus for the idea is it might help more young people from poorer non-professional backgrounds into medicine? Those who are clever enough but are put off uni by the cost of it and the debt you have to take on.
Working class kids were hardly teeming into medicine before the introduction of fees.
Or into any profession for that matter.
It's a tribute to the country that skin colour isn't a bar to getting into professional jobs, it is your social class.
A hereditary monarchy means that someone from mine or TSE's ethnic/religious background(s) will never become King or Queen.
They could.
Prince George marries a non white woman, has kids, and we have our first not white monarch.
But yes, people of our ethnicity cannot get the job because of the de facto colour bar on the job.
But it’s also (most likely) a permanent switch - in your scenario Prince George would be our *last* white monarch
Elitist snob that I am, I'm not the only one who would prefer his doctors to have degrees?
NHS scheme will allow school leavers to train as doctors without traditional medical degree
New apprenticeships would put people on wards straight after their A-levels, instead of paying pricey fees for five years at university
School leavers will be able to start working as doctors without going to university, under new NHS plans to fix the growing staff crisis.
The apprenticeship scheme could allow one in 10 doctors to start work without a traditional medical degree, straight after their A-levels. A third of nurses are also expected to be trained under the "radical new approach".
It is the centrepiece of a long-delayed NHS workforce strategy, following warnings that staff shortages in England could reach half a million without action to find new ways to train and recruit health workers.
For life experience, you mean, or because unis will train them better technically? Not sure the latter has to apply. Eg if you have top A levels and then combine work experience with study in some non-uni setting I can see that this might produce good doctors?
There is something to be said for seeing how folk interact at an early stage - benefits both sides before they go too far. Mrs C did quite a bit of voluntary work with old folk when considering what university degree to go for. She went into another field, but to this day has much more sympathy and understanding with the old than many of us do.
But there are other ways to achieve that specific aim.
Maybe a plus for the idea is it might help more young people from poorer non-professional backgrounds into medicine? Those who are clever enough but are put off uni by the cost of it and the debt you have to take on.
Working class kids were hardly teeming into medicine before the introduction of fees.
Or into any profession for that matter.
It's a tribute to the country that skin colour isn't a bar to getting into professional jobs, it is your social class.
A hereditary monarchy means that someone from mine or TSE's ethnic/religious background(s) will never become King or Queen.
They could.
Prince George marries a non white woman, has kids, and we have our first not white monarch.
But yes, people of our ethnicity cannot get the job because of the de facto colour bar on the job.
But it’s also (most likely) a permanent switch - in your scenario Prince George would be our *last* white monarch
Give it a few generations and a monarch could be white again. Plenty of people with non obvious heritage.
"Adjoa Andoh's 'terribly white' coronation remark becomes most complained about moment of 2023, Ofcom says
Thousands of complaints were filed about the remark, which the Bridgerton star made when she appeared on ITV's live coverage of the King's coronation celebrations. Acknowledging the backlash in a radio interview, she said: "I think I upset a few people.""
"Adjoa Andoh's 'terribly white' coronation remark becomes most complained about moment of 2023, Ofcom says
Thousands of complaints were filed about the remark, which the Bridgerton star made when she appeared on ITV's live coverage of the King's coronation celebrations. Acknowledging the backlash in a radio interview, she said: "I think I upset a few people.""
Good. People are getting fed up with such banal and stupid commentary.
It's on its way out, I think.
She had a point though.
I'd suggest that the top 10000 most powerful people in Britain are more racially diverse than any other large country in the world except perhaps Brazil. Non-white people haven't been in Britain in large numbers for very long. Of course the royal family is largely white.
Elitist snob that I am, I'm not the only one who would prefer his doctors to have degrees?
NHS scheme will allow school leavers to train as doctors without traditional medical degree
New apprenticeships would put people on wards straight after their A-levels, instead of paying pricey fees for five years at university
School leavers will be able to start working as doctors without going to university, under new NHS plans to fix the growing staff crisis.
The apprenticeship scheme could allow one in 10 doctors to start work without a traditional medical degree, straight after their A-levels. A third of nurses are also expected to be trained under the "radical new approach".
It is the centrepiece of a long-delayed NHS workforce strategy, following warnings that staff shortages in England could reach half a million without action to find new ways to train and recruit health workers.
For life experience, you mean, or because unis will train them better technically? Not sure the latter has to apply. Eg if you have top A levels and then combine work experience with study in some non-uni setting I can see that this might produce good doctors?
There is something to be said for seeing how folk interact at an early stage - benefits both sides before they go too far. Mrs C did quite a bit of voluntary work with old folk when considering what university degree to go for. She went into another field, but to this day has much more sympathy and understanding with the old than many of us do.
But there are other ways to achieve that specific aim.
Maybe a plus for the idea is it might help more young people from poorer non-professional backgrounds into medicine? Those who are clever enough but are put off uni by the cost of it and the debt you have to take on.
Working class kids were hardly teeming into medicine before the introduction of fees.
Or into any profession for that matter.
It's a tribute to the country that skin colour isn't a bar to getting into professional jobs, it is your social class.
A hereditary monarchy means that someone from mine or TSE's ethnic/religious background(s) will never become King or Queen.
Tey could.
Prince George marries a non white woman, has kids, and we have our first not white monarch.
But yes, people of our ethnicity cannot get the job because of the de facto colour bar on the job.
What a load of shite
Kate Middleton - now the most popular royal of all and entirely "common" and granddaughter of a coalminer, is destined to be Queen, and is the wife to our next King and mother to the King thereafter
And she's great at the job: poised, intelligent, beautiful, mostly reserved and reticent - not unlike QE2
Meghan could easily have been as popular but she went for the Hollywood shortcut of racial whining, I don't think it will serve her well
Robert Jenrick being eviscerated by Chrishnan Guru-Murthy.
No wonder the Sunak regime is falling apart.
Yes he was terrible.
OTOH wokeist interviewers on this subject have a dead easy ride in that there are massive and insoluble intellectual flaws with all currently lawful refugee/asylum arrangements - the current state of play is a useless disgrace but that isn't really the fault of western democratic governments.
But the liberal interviewer never has to explain either what they, as a whole, would do instead within what is electorally possible.
The moral high ground is a very cerebral and impractical place on this horrible issue.
Sir Robbie Gibb, a BBC board member, ordered a news chief not to interrogate Vote Leave’s £350 million Brexit bus campaign after the referendum, a book has claimed.
Gibb, who was editor of live political programmes in 2016 and went on to work for Theresa May in No 10, was “horrified” by the idea of putting the controversial claim under the microscope, according to Rob Burley, a former BBC editor.
In Why Is This Lying Bastard Lying To Me?, which is published this week, Burley, who was editor of The Andrew Marr Show at the time, said that Gibb pushed back against his ambition to investigate for fear of making the BBC look like sore losers.
… Number 10 has refused to rule out a Tory deal with the DUP or other parties if it fails to secure a majority at the next general election. Rishi Sunak's spokesman said: "I don't think anyone at this stage is going to speculate on the results of the next election…
WTF? Speculating on the Lib Lab coalition of chaos after the next election results is EXACTLY what Sunak did at PMQs 🫣
Very Off topic
I missed PMQs because I am on my holidays. Yay!
And Rabbit, I know you like the Walter Presents Italian fare on C4, but have you seen Porta Rossa ( Red Door). Series 1 is the greatest series of drama writing I have seen in any language in many a year, and I've seen many years!
Elitist snob that I am, I'm not the only one who would prefer his doctors to have degrees?
NHS scheme will allow school leavers to train as doctors without traditional medical degree
New apprenticeships would put people on wards straight after their A-levels, instead of paying pricey fees for five years at university
School leavers will be able to start working as doctors without going to university, under new NHS plans to fix the growing staff crisis.
The apprenticeship scheme could allow one in 10 doctors to start work without a traditional medical degree, straight after their A-levels. A third of nurses are also expected to be trained under the "radical new approach".
It is the centrepiece of a long-delayed NHS workforce strategy, following warnings that staff shortages in England could reach half a million without action to find new ways to train and recruit health workers.
For life experience, you mean, or because unis will train them better technically? Not sure the latter has to apply. Eg if you have top A levels and then combine work experience with study in some non-uni setting I can see that this might produce good doctors?
There is something to be said for seeing how folk interact at an early stage - benefits both sides before they go too far. Mrs C did quite a bit of voluntary work with old folk when considering what university degree to go for. She went into another field, but to this day has much more sympathy and understanding with the old than many of us do.
But there are other ways to achieve that specific aim.
Maybe a plus for the idea is it might help more young people from poorer non-professional backgrounds into medicine? Those who are clever enough but are put off uni by the cost of it and the debt you have to take on.
Working class kids were hardly teeming into medicine before the introduction of fees.
Or into any profession for that matter.
It's a tribute to the country that skin colour isn't a bar to getting into professional jobs, it is your social class.
A hereditary monarchy means that someone from mine or TSE's ethnic/religious background(s) will never become King or Queen.
Tey could.
Prince George marries a non white woman, has kids, and we have our first not white monarch.
But yes, people of our ethnicity cannot get the job because of the de facto colour bar on the job.
What a load of shite
Kate Middleton - now the most popular royal of all and entirely "common" and granddaughter of a coalminer, is destined to be Queen, and is the wife to our next King and mother to the King thereafter
And she's great at the job: poised, intelligent, beautiful, mostly reserved and reticent - not unlike QE2
Meghan could easily have been as popular but she went for the Hollywood shortcut of racial whining, I don't think it will serve her well
"Adjoa Andoh's 'terribly white' coronation remark becomes most complained about moment of 2023, Ofcom says
Thousands of complaints were filed about the remark, which the Bridgerton star made when she appeared on ITV's live coverage of the King's coronation celebrations. Acknowledging the backlash in a radio interview, she said: "I think I upset a few people.""
Good. People are getting fed up with such banal and stupid commentary.
It's on its way out, I think.
She had a point though.
I'd suggest that the top 10000 most powerful people in Britain are more racially diverse than any other large country in the world except perhaps Brazil. Non-white people haven't been in Britain in large numbers for very long. Of course the royal family is largely white.
For all its problems in this area I am pretty sure (from having lived there) that the US elite is more racially diverse than ours is, although that's only to be expected as they are a significantly more racially diverse country.
So, I texted Tucker Carlson. He texted back. He said he was running for president. I asked him for some backup. Then he says he was only kidding. But ... he won't rule out a run. Also, he's "fundamentally a dick" — his words. https://twitter.com/Schwartzesque/status/1656340631717806085
Elitist snob that I am, I'm not the only one who would prefer his doctors to have degrees?
NHS scheme will allow school leavers to train as doctors without traditional medical degree
New apprenticeships would put people on wards straight after their A-levels, instead of paying pricey fees for five years at university
School leavers will be able to start working as doctors without going to university, under new NHS plans to fix the growing staff crisis.
The apprenticeship scheme could allow one in 10 doctors to start work without a traditional medical degree, straight after their A-levels. A third of nurses are also expected to be trained under the "radical new approach".
It is the centrepiece of a long-delayed NHS workforce strategy, following warnings that staff shortages in England could reach half a million without action to find new ways to train and recruit health workers.
For life experience, you mean, or because unis will train them better technically? Not sure the latter has to apply. Eg if you have top A levels and then combine work experience with study in some non-uni setting I can see that this might produce good doctors?
There is something to be said for seeing how folk interact at an early stage - benefits both sides before they go too far. Mrs C did quite a bit of voluntary work with old folk when considering what university degree to go for. She went into another field, but to this day has much more sympathy and understanding with the old than many of us do.
But there are other ways to achieve that specific aim.
Maybe a plus for the idea is it might help more young people from poorer non-professional backgrounds into medicine? Those who are clever enough but are put off uni by the cost of it and the debt you have to take on.
Working class kids were hardly teeming into medicine before the introduction of fees.
Or into any profession for that matter.
It's a tribute to the country that skin colour isn't a bar to getting into professional jobs, it is your social class.
A hereditary monarchy means that someone from mine or TSE's ethnic/religious background(s) will never become King or Queen.
They could.
Prince George marries a non white woman, has kids, and we have our first not white monarch.
But yes, people of our ethnicity cannot get the job because of the de facto colour bar on the job.
But it’s also (most likely) a permanent switch - in your scenario Prince George would be our *last* white monarch
Only if white = totally white and black = even a little bit black.
"Adjoa Andoh's 'terribly white' coronation remark becomes most complained about moment of 2023, Ofcom says
Thousands of complaints were filed about the remark, which the Bridgerton star made when she appeared on ITV's live coverage of the King's coronation celebrations. Acknowledging the backlash in a radio interview, she said: "I think I upset a few people.""
Good. People are getting fed up with such banal and stupid commentary.
It's on its way out, I think.
She had a point though.
I'd suggest that the top 10000 most powerful people in Britain are more racially diverse than any other large country in the world except perhaps Brazil. Non-white people haven't been in Britain in large numbers for very long. Of course the royal family is largely white.
For all its problems in this area I am pretty sure (from having lived there) that the US elite is more racially diverse than ours is, although that's only to be expected as they are a significantly more racially diverse country.
Robert Jenrick being eviscerated by Chrishnan Guru-Murthy.
No wonder the Sunak regime is falling apart.
Sunak sounded like a rank amateur at PMQs today.
There was a bizarre episode where he, for reasons known only to himself, cited Reeves saying she would have a “problem” balancing the books. The reason she said that was because the Tories had mismanaged the public finances. It wasn’t to clear to me - or seemingly anyone - why he would seek to highlight that.
Elitist snob that I am, I'm not the only one who would prefer his doctors to have degrees?
NHS scheme will allow school leavers to train as doctors without traditional medical degree
New apprenticeships would put people on wards straight after their A-levels, instead of paying pricey fees for five years at university
School leavers will be able to start working as doctors without going to university, under new NHS plans to fix the growing staff crisis.
The apprenticeship scheme could allow one in 10 doctors to start work without a traditional medical degree, straight after their A-levels. A third of nurses are also expected to be trained under the "radical new approach".
It is the centrepiece of a long-delayed NHS workforce strategy, following warnings that staff shortages in England could reach half a million without action to find new ways to train and recruit health workers.
For life experience, you mean, or because unis will train them better technically? Not sure the latter has to apply. Eg if you have top A levels and then combine work experience with study in some non-uni setting I can see that this might produce good doctors?
There is something to be said for seeing how folk interact at an early stage - benefits both sides before they go too far. Mrs C did quite a bit of voluntary work with old folk when considering what university degree to go for. She went into another field, but to this day has much more sympathy and understanding with the old than many of us do.
But there are other ways to achieve that specific aim.
Maybe a plus for the idea is it might help more young people from poorer non-professional backgrounds into medicine? Those who are clever enough but are put off uni by the cost of it and the debt you have to take on.
Working class kids were hardly teeming into medicine before the introduction of fees.
Or into any profession for that matter.
It's a tribute to the country that skin colour isn't a bar to getting into professional jobs, it is your social class.
A hereditary monarchy means that someone from mine or TSE's ethnic/religious background(s) will never become King or Queen.
They could.
Prince George marries a non white woman, has kids, and we have our first not white monarch.
But yes, people of our ethnicity cannot get the job because of the de facto colour bar on the job.
But it’s also (most likely) a permanent switch - in your scenario Prince George would be our *last* white monarch
Only if white = totally white and black = even a little bit black.
Yes, I find this conversation a little troubling. If a white and a black parent have a child, that child could identify as white just as easily as black, or both, or neither.
Obama had a white mum, and Meghan a white dad - both conveniently forgotten.
"Adjoa Andoh's 'terribly white' coronation remark becomes most complained about moment of 2023, Ofcom says
Thousands of complaints were filed about the remark, which the Bridgerton star made when she appeared on ITV's live coverage of the King's coronation celebrations. Acknowledging the backlash in a radio interview, she said: "I think I upset a few people.""
"Adjoa Andoh's 'terribly white' coronation remark becomes most complained about moment of 2023, Ofcom says
Thousands of complaints were filed about the remark, which the Bridgerton star made when she appeared on ITV's live coverage of the King's coronation celebrations. Acknowledging the backlash in a radio interview, she said: "I think I upset a few people.""
Robert Jenrick being eviscerated by Chrishnan Guru-Murthy.
No wonder the Sunak regime is falling apart.
Sunak sounded like a rank amateur at PMQs today.
There was a bizarre episode where he, for reasons known only to himself, cited Reeves saying she would have a “problem” balancing the books. The reason she said that was because the Tories had mismanaged the public finances. It wasn’t to clear to me - or seemingly anyone - why he would seek to highlight that.
He is rubbish at this. Not like Blair he is trying to copy.
He said when the Tories came into office the deficit was at a record level. What is it at now?
He doesn't seem to actually understand what he is doing.
"Adjoa Andoh's 'terribly white' coronation remark becomes most complained about moment of 2023, Ofcom says
Thousands of complaints were filed about the remark, which the Bridgerton star made when she appeared on ITV's live coverage of the King's coronation celebrations. Acknowledging the backlash in a radio interview, she said: "I think I upset a few people.""
Elitist snob that I am, I'm not the only one who would prefer his doctors to have degrees?
NHS scheme will allow school leavers to train as doctors without traditional medical degree
New apprenticeships would put people on wards straight after their A-levels, instead of paying pricey fees for five years at university
School leavers will be able to start working as doctors without going to university, under new NHS plans to fix the growing staff crisis.
The apprenticeship scheme could allow one in 10 doctors to start work without a traditional medical degree, straight after their A-levels. A third of nurses are also expected to be trained under the "radical new approach".
It is the centrepiece of a long-delayed NHS workforce strategy, following warnings that staff shortages in England could reach half a million without action to find new ways to train and recruit health workers.
For life experience, you mean, or because unis will train them better technically? Not sure the latter has to apply. Eg if you have top A levels and then combine work experience with study in some non-uni setting I can see that this might produce good doctors?
There is something to be said for seeing how folk interact at an early stage - benefits both sides before they go too far. Mrs C did quite a bit of voluntary work with old folk when considering what university degree to go for. She went into another field, but to this day has much more sympathy and understanding with the old than many of us do.
But there are other ways to achieve that specific aim.
Maybe a plus for the idea is it might help more young people from poorer non-professional backgrounds into medicine? Those who are clever enough but are put off uni by the cost of it and the debt you have to take on.
Working class kids were hardly teeming into medicine before the introduction of fees.
Or into any profession for that matter.
It's a tribute to the country that skin colour isn't a bar to getting into professional jobs, it is your social class.
A hereditary monarchy means that someone from mine or TSE's ethnic/religious background(s) will never become King or Queen.
They could.
Prince George marries a non white woman, has kids, and we have our first not white monarch.
But yes, people of our ethnicity cannot get the job because of the de facto colour bar on the job.
But it’s also (most likely) a permanent switch - in your scenario Prince George would be our *last* white monarch
Only if white = totally white and black = even a little bit black.
Yes, I find this conversation a little troubling. If a white and a black parent have a child, that child could identify as white just as easily as black, or both, or neither.
Obama had a white mum, and Meghan a white dad - both conveniently forgotten.
"Adjoa Andoh's 'terribly white' coronation remark becomes most complained about moment of 2023, Ofcom says
Thousands of complaints were filed about the remark, which the Bridgerton star made when she appeared on ITV's live coverage of the King's coronation celebrations. Acknowledging the backlash in a radio interview, she said: "I think I upset a few people.""
"Adjoa Andoh's 'terribly white' coronation remark becomes most complained about moment of 2023, Ofcom says
Thousands of complaints were filed about the remark, which the Bridgerton star made when she appeared on ITV's live coverage of the King's coronation celebrations. Acknowledging the backlash in a radio interview, she said: "I think I upset a few people.""
"Adjoa Andoh's 'terribly white' coronation remark becomes most complained about moment of 2023, Ofcom says
Thousands of complaints were filed about the remark, which the Bridgerton star made when she appeared on ITV's live coverage of the King's coronation celebrations. Acknowledging the backlash in a radio interview, she said: "I think I upset a few people.""
Good. People are getting fed up with such banal and stupid commentary.
It's on its way out, I think.
She had a point though.
I'd suggest that the top 10000 most powerful people in Britain are more racially diverse than any other large country in the world except perhaps Brazil. Non-white people haven't been in Britain in large numbers for very long. Of course the royal family is largely white.
For all its problems in this area I am pretty sure (from having lived there) that the US elite is more racially diverse than ours is, although that's only to be expected as they are a significantly more racially diverse country.
Not sure that is true. Historically, the US elite were essentially the WASP families from the likes of Boston, New York and the North East. In the likes of Texas, it would be the old families and, on the West Coast, it would be those in the Media industries and now Tech.
Robert Jenrick being eviscerated by Chrishnan Guru-Murthy.
No wonder the Sunak regime is falling apart.
Sunak sounded like a rank amateur at PMQs today.
There was a bizarre episode where he, for reasons known only to himself, cited Reeves saying she would have a “problem” balancing the books. The reason she said that was because the Tories had mismanaged the public finances. It wasn’t to clear to me - or seemingly anyone - why he would seek to highlight that.
He is rubbish at this. Not like Blair he is trying to copy.
He said when the Tories came into office the deficit was at a record level. What is it at now?
He doesn't seem to actually understand what he is doing.
Reminds me of that old saw: “when I arrived the situation was terrible — and it got steadily worse from there.”
"Adjoa Andoh's 'terribly white' coronation remark becomes most complained about moment of 2023, Ofcom says
Thousands of complaints were filed about the remark, which the Bridgerton star made when she appeared on ITV's live coverage of the King's coronation celebrations. Acknowledging the backlash in a radio interview, she said: "I think I upset a few people.""
Robert Jenrick being eviscerated by Chrishnan Guru-Murthy.
No wonder the Sunak regime is falling apart.
Sunak sounded like a rank amateur at PMQs today.
There was a bizarre episode where he, for reasons known only to himself, cited Reeves saying she would have a “problem” balancing the books. The reason she said that was because the Tories had mismanaged the public finances. It wasn’t to clear to me - or seemingly anyone - why he would seek to highlight that.
He quoted Alastair Darling to support the point, in a way that wasn’t quite clear, supporting a point that wasn’t quite clear. Reeves responded with Air Miles Sunak couldn’t have actually met any real people on the campaign he was holed up in his helicopter.
One aspect is, a team should be preparing PM for PMQs, if that team is better perhaps he comes across better. That team sent him out today with the soundbite labour have no policies, followed by the soundbite the amount of labours policy commitments total a ninety billion pound black hole. If it was a task on a reality show, it would be a fail.
On the other hand though, even with a better script, Sunak exchanging barbed jokes brings out the worst of him - reminiscent of those Good Morning appearances trying to sound sincere about his favourite Mac Donald’s. It had been discontinued ages ago.
To be honest, I don’t really like joke leaden PMQs. Today wasn’t Starmer’s best day either, he came across very smarmy. If I was Loto, I wouldn’t even have mentioned the elections, I would have stuck to yesterdays bad NHS news with serious and tad angry delivery style. Use some real examples of people suffering a waiting list, as the waiting lists get bigger. Water company dividends doubling due to such a great year they have had is a great question today too.
I am not sure that my current position allows me to comment on this in any detail. Obviously any views I express are entirely my own. That said:
1. The idea that the LJG can remove judges from the sex crimes court without process is a complete non starter. It is not Article 6 compliant. The only reason I can see for putting such an idea forward would be to trigger another fight with Westminster when they were told not to be so silly. And by the way, as things stand every High Court is a sex court because it takes up nearly 80% of the business.
2, The idea of Judge led trials requires judges willing to do them. At the moment judges can hide behind jury decisions which do not require justification and are almost completely immune from criticism or appeal. (Appeals normally turn on the directions given to juries by judges.) Which judge wants to be the first to say that he did not find the complainer in a rape trial credible? For an answer see 1.
3. I do not think that rape cases are poorly investigated. There have been major improvements in recent years, in particular the researching of prior relationships of the accused to look for other complainers and patterns of behaviour. The problem is rather an atmosphere where it takes great courage not to pursue a rape case to the bitter end in a legal structure which makes it very difficult to stop it getting to the jury. Or, being even blunter about it, we prosecute too many cases with too poor a prospect of conviction.
4. It is true that each case turns on its own facts but the key to a jury's decision is what facts they find important. A judge would have a much harder time of it having to give detailed reasons based on the evidence open to analysis on appeal. This may result in a lot more appeals than the current system.
Lib dem peer Brian Paddick has tabled a fatal motion on the Immigration Bill but Labour will not support the motion
Apparently the reason was tactical. though the vast majority from all parties despise it voting against will only delay it for a short time. By putting forward amendments they can delay it into the recess and beyond.
I am not sure that my current position allows me to comment on this in any detail. Obviously any views I express are entirely my own. That said:
1. The idea that the LJG can remove judges from the sex crimes court without process is a complete non starter. It is not Article 6 compliant. The only reason I can see for putting such an idea forward would be to trigger another fight with Westminster when they were told not to be so silly. And by the way, as things stand every High Court is a sex court because it takes up nearly 80% of the business.
2, The idea of Judge led trials requires judges willing to do them. At the moment judges can hide behind jury decisions which do not require justification and are almost completely immune from criticism or appeal. (Appeals normally turn on the directions given to juries by judges.) Which judge wants to be the first to say that he did not find the complainer in a rape trial credible? For an answer see 1.
3. I do not think that rape cases are poorly investigated. There have been major improvements in recent years, in particular the researching of prior relationships of the accused to look for other complainers and patterns of behaviour. The problem is rather an atmosphere where it takes great courage not to pursue a rape case to the bitter end in a legal structure which makes it very difficult to stop it getting to the jury. Or, being even blunter about it, we prosecute too many cases with too poor a prospect of conviction.
4. It is true that each case turns on its own facts but the key to a jury's decision is what facts they find important. A judge would have a much harder time of it having to give detailed reasons based on the evidence open to analysis on appeal. This may result in a lot more appeals than the current system.
Tldr
It's a very stupid idea.
TBF Mr L even before you spoke this was obvious to everyone, well, everyone except the terminally stupid like Mr Yousaf.
So I don't think you need to worry about conflict of interest.
In other news, so far as I understand it, the Vodafone and H3G tie-up will be announced by the end of the Summer.
The goal is for Hutchison to leave the UK market long-term. The initial arrangement would be 51/49 Vodafone/H3G with a view to Hutchison reducing their stake over time.
All subject to change - but this is from friends still at Big Red
Lib dem peer Brian Paddick has tabled a fatal motion on the Immigration Bill but Labour will not support the motion
Apparently the reason was tactical. though the vast majority from all parties despise it voting against will only delay it for a short time. By putting forward amendments they can delay it into the recess and beyond.
Possibly but it will go through albeit with some amendments
"This is how much Mirror Group Newspapers was spending each year on private investigators. Staggering sums, totalling nearly £11m. Came to a screeching halt with @Bynickdavies's Milly Dowler story in 2011"
The dirty secret was everyone was doing this. Even the Guardian admitted using the phone voicemail password thing.
PNC records were £50 a time. Etc…
The reason - such methods would generate stories that were definitely true. To the editors and owners that made them, they thought, legally bulletproof….
Fucking hilarious that….
But don’t worry. Ordinary people were affected as well. It turned out that some weird events involving a sports club I knew, related to a very weird and paranoid committee member using a private investigator like this on his fellows. Mucked up some people’s lives.
Not a Pyrrhic victory. More like a Pyrrhic stalemate defeat.
Russian brigade flees from Bakhmut, claims Ukraine A Russian army brigade has fled from Bakhmut, Ukrainian forces claim. They released a video purportedly showing the 72nd Separate Motor-Rifle Brigade abandoning its positions on the southwestern outskirts of the city. Moscow has not commented on the reports of the withdrawal of the brigade, the type of which is typically formed of several thousand troops. The claims appear to back up comments made by the leader of the Wagner group, Yevgeny Prigozhin, who said yesterday: "Our army is fleeing. The 72nd Brigade pissed away three square kilometres this morning, where I had lost around 500 men." A Ukrainian brigade confirmed his report "is true". https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-russia-war-latest-putin-victory-day-counter-offensive-12541713
Vodafone to Start Switching Off Rest of UK 3G Network from June 2023
Don't know if anyone saw this but FYI Vodafone will turn of 3G completely by the end of this year.
In the case of Vodafone, the operator has today stated that their national shutdown will happen in phases throughout the remainder of 2023, starting in June with Hull, Oxford and Greater London, before progressing across the South. The remainder of the UK will follow later in the year.
So I'm first Hopefully with some juicy re-farming to come.
This is an interesting paragraph with which to begin an essay.
"I was illiterate until my mid-thirties. I’m 57 now and my first book has just been published. It’s tradition for your publisher to deliver the first few copies from the printer’s press to the author. A local courier, James, delivered a box of 10 last week. It was a joyous moment, to see something stared at on a screen for over four years turned into an object that could be held, flicked through, something I could smell. However, that joy was short lived as James, the 54-year-old courier, was killed for the contents of his van one mile or so down the road two days later. His violent end didn’t even make the local news. Durham police posted on Facebook that two men had been charged with manslaughter and theft. Murders and all forms of crime have become common around here now. It’s the norm."
I am picking up some absolute fury of Brexiteer Tory MPs who went to see chief whip Simon Hart at 5pm tonight about the watering down of the REUL Bill.
Twenty Tory MPs were there to protest. The Chief just listened. He left after 45 mins to go to see Sir Graham Brady, as normal.
Brexiteer Tory MPs cannot understand why the Government has done this.
They point out that not a single Tory MP voted against the REUL ill at the Second or Third Reading.
Two Tories tell me they think the U-turn is part of a deal with the EU for agreeing the Windsor Framework.
The tin-foil wearing MPs might be right but surely the more logical assumption is the REUL Bill would need huge amounts of effort to make it workable rather than a series of banal truisms. We can applaud getting rid of unnecessary regulations but unless these can easily be identified, the bill is mere claptrap.
If it's claptrap, why have the EU made dropping parts of it a condition of their 'concessions' toward the Windsor Framework? The framework agreement is turning into a thoroughgoing disaster. It has already destroyed the NI protocol bill, by which the UK Government would have exercised its legal right to disallow parts of the protocol. Now it's also destroying the ability of the UK Government to overturn EU laws that shouldn't apply to the UK anyway.
That's the conspiracy theory that might or might not be true. Putting that to one side, removing unnecessary regulations is something we can all applaud but someone needs first to identify them, and it is ridiculous to proceed on the basis of an arbitrary number in an arbitrary time with no resources. Likewise replacing those deemed necessary or desirable.
There is a serious "looking down" on apprenticeships, even now.
Somehow that people that do them are less intelligent than people that go to uni, or less qualified. I work with people that have done both, I can categorically say that in almost every way the apprentices are better prepared and do better in the day job than the grads.
EXC: TEN midlands Tory MPs go public with call for Sunak to do more on Levelling Up by the summer - or see them lose their seats with nothing to sell on the doorstep.
So civil servants are now being blamed for the governments inability to scrap all EU law by the end of the year . The Remainer blob has apparently thwarted them.
Or was it the case that scrapping all these laws would have left a legal vacuum which was ignored by Sunak in his desperate attempt to chase good headlines in the right wing press .
We get the picture though , each time this rancid government fails is always the fault of others !
EXC: TEN midlands Tory MPs go public with call for Sunak to do more on Levelling Up by the summer - or see them lose their seats with nothing to sell on the doorstep.
I suspect it will come as unwelcome news to the the largely Labour-voting denizens of the fine city of Nottingham than Ben Bradley is their council leader…
There is a serious "looking down" on apprenticeships, even now.
Somehow that people that do them are less intelligent than people that go to uni, or less qualified. I work with people that have done both, I can categorically say that in almost every way the apprentices are better prepared and do better in the day job than the grads.
Well said. 100% agree. We've got ourselves into an odd situation where people doing skilled jobs and manual labor are somehow looked down upon compared to those that go to Uni.
It's a situation that started under Blair and hasn't much improved since.
So civil servants are now being blamed for the governments inability to scrap all EU law by the end of the year . The Remainer blob has apparently thwarted them.
Or was it the case that scrapping all these laws would have left a legal vacuum which was ignored by Sunak in his desperate attempt to chase good headlines in the right wing press .
We get the picture though , each time this rancid government fails is always the fault of others !
EXC: TEN midlands Tory MPs go public with call for Sunak to do more on Levelling Up by the summer - or see them lose their seats with nothing to sell on the doorstep.
Sounds right. Surely levelling up played a bigger part in Boris and Brexit than dog-whistled racism.
Comments
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jn8T9M-6ktw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYAfR2ecdpE
Non-white people haven't been in Britain in large numbers for very long. Of course the royal family is largely white.
OTOH wokeist interviewers on this subject have a dead easy ride in that there are massive and insoluble intellectual flaws with all currently lawful refugee/asylum arrangements - the current state of play is a useless disgrace but that isn't really the fault of western democratic governments.
But the liberal interviewer never has to explain either what they, as a whole, would do instead within what is electorally possible.
The moral high ground is a very cerebral and impractical place on this horrible issue.
Sir K will find it no easier.
Gibb, who was editor of live political programmes in 2016 and went on to work for Theresa May in No 10, was “horrified” by the idea of putting the controversial claim under the microscope, according to Rob Burley, a former BBC editor.
In Why Is This Lying Bastard Lying To Me?, which is published this week, Burley, who was editor of The Andrew Marr Show at the time, said that Gibb pushed back against his ambition to investigate for fear of making the BBC look like sore losers.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/bbc-editor-ordered-colleague-not-to-investigate-350m-brexit-bus-claim-mpmnmmj3w
For a second I thought it had Danish subtitles and tried to turn them off. Then, the penny dropped and it got more and more absurd.
I’m a sucker for Ted Lasso at the moment.
Surely this is Finland Rumour related?
https://twitter.com/Schwartzesque/status/1656340631717806085
https://americanminipigassociation.com/breeder-articles/microchipping-piglets-permanent-identification/
Don’t lose a pig in a poke when the pig on a chip can be the chip in your pig?
Just an educated guess 🤷♀️
He said when the Tories came into office the deficit was at a record level. What is it at now?
He doesn't seem to actually understand what he is doing.
(Rest of post deleted for sanity)
But really?
It’s an utterly idiotic thing to post without context
Rein yourself in
One aspect is, a team should be preparing PM for PMQs, if that team is better perhaps he comes across better. That team sent him out today with the soundbite labour have no policies, followed by the soundbite the amount of labours policy commitments total a ninety billion pound black hole. If it was a task on a reality show, it would be a fail.
On the other hand though, even with a better script, Sunak exchanging barbed jokes brings out the worst of him - reminiscent of those Good Morning appearances trying to sound sincere about his favourite Mac Donald’s. It had been discontinued ages ago.
To be honest, I don’t really like joke leaden PMQs. Today wasn’t Starmer’s best day either, he came across very smarmy. If I was Loto, I wouldn’t even have mentioned the elections, I would have stuck to yesterdays bad NHS news with serious and tad angry delivery style. Use some real examples of people suffering a waiting list, as the waiting lists get bigger. Water company dividends doubling due to such a great year they have had is a great question today too.
Perhaps try this. Google.co.uk. It's a search engine.
Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?
1. The idea that the LJG can remove judges from the sex crimes court without process is a complete non starter. It is not Article 6 compliant. The only reason I can see for putting such an idea forward would be to trigger another fight with Westminster when they were told not to be so silly. And by the way, as things stand every High Court is a sex court because it takes up nearly 80% of the business.
2, The idea of Judge led trials requires judges willing to do them. At the moment judges can hide behind jury decisions which do not require justification and are almost completely immune from criticism or appeal. (Appeals normally turn on the directions given to juries by judges.) Which judge wants to be the first to say that he did not find the complainer in a rape trial credible? For an answer see 1.
3. I do not think that rape cases are poorly investigated. There have been major improvements in recent years, in particular the researching of prior relationships of the accused to look for other complainers and patterns of behaviour. The problem is rather an atmosphere where it takes great courage not to pursue a rape case to the bitter end in a legal structure which makes it very difficult to stop it getting to the jury. Or, being even blunter about it, we prosecute too many cases with too poor a prospect of conviction.
4. It is true that each case turns on its own facts but the key to a jury's decision is what facts they find important. A judge would have a much harder time of it having to give detailed reasons based on the evidence open to analysis on appeal. This may result in a lot more appeals than the current system.
We've seen this from you before.
At the end of the day what you post is up to you... but be aware sooner or later you'll find yourself on the wrong side of PB Moderator...
One for the Tories of the board. A classic, the music taste here is dreadful.
It's a very stupid idea.
TBF Mr L even before you spoke this was obvious to everyone, well, everyone except the terminally stupid like Mr Yousaf.
So I don't think you need to worry about conflict of interest.
Completely unnecessary and disrespectful to this forum
The goal is for Hutchison to leave the UK market long-term. The initial arrangement would be 51/49 Vodafone/H3G with a view to Hutchison reducing their stake over time.
All subject to change - but this is from friends still at Big Red
Even those who design and build shrubberies are under considerable economic stress.
PNC records were £50 a time. Etc…
The reason - such methods would generate stories that were definitely true. To the editors and owners that made them, they thought, legally bulletproof….
Fucking hilarious that….
But don’t worry. Ordinary people were affected as well. It turned out that some weird events involving a sports club I knew, related to a very weird and paranoid committee member using a private investigator like this on his fellows. Mucked up some people’s lives.
But the Vodafone side is that they are unable to compete with EE with their current standing and so what a tie-up to go toe-to-toe with EE.
They would be prepared to sell spectrum to have the deal pushed through, most likely to be bought by the smallest provider, i.e. VM/O2.
Vodafone/Three would be prepared to cap bills for a limited time to ease any deal.
Russian brigade flees from Bakhmut, claims Ukraine
A Russian army brigade has fled from Bakhmut, Ukrainian forces claim.
They released a video purportedly showing the 72nd Separate Motor-Rifle Brigade abandoning its positions on the southwestern outskirts of the city.
Moscow has not commented on the reports of the withdrawal of the brigade, the type of which is typically formed of several thousand troops.
The claims appear to back up comments made by the leader of the Wagner group, Yevgeny Prigozhin, who said yesterday:
"Our army is fleeing. The 72nd Brigade pissed away three square kilometres this morning, where I had lost around 500 men."
A Ukrainian brigade confirmed his report "is true".
https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-russia-war-latest-putin-victory-day-counter-offensive-12541713
It is not clever
Vodafone to Start Switching Off Rest of UK 3G Network from June 2023
Don't know if anyone saw this but FYI Vodafone will turn of 3G completely by the end of this year.
In the case of Vodafone, the operator has today stated that their national shutdown will happen in phases throughout the remainder of 2023, starting in June with Hull, Oxford and Greater London, before progressing across the South. The remainder of the UK will follow later in the year.
So I'm first
Is this buyers remorse?
Standard Daily Mail.
Serious incident. Does it involve a woman? Find vaguely sexual image.
Phwrorr
Also about how press intrusion ruined his relationship with Caroline Flack.
"I was illiterate until my mid-thirties. I’m 57 now and my first book has just been published. It’s tradition for your publisher to deliver the first few copies from the printer’s press to the author. A local courier, James, delivered a box of 10 last week. It was a joyous moment, to see something stared at on a screen for over four years turned into an object that could be held, flicked through, something I could smell. However, that joy was short lived as James, the 54-year-old courier, was killed for the contents of his van one mile or so down the road two days later. His violent end didn’t even make the local news. Durham police posted on Facebook that two men had been charged with manslaughter and theft. Murders and all forms of crime have become common around here now. It’s the norm."
https://unherd.com/2023/05/durham-has-become-a-land-of-zombies/
"Durham has become a land of zombies
Politicians have left my people to die
By Pip Fallow"
Somehow that people that do them are less intelligent than people that go to uni, or less qualified. I work with people that have done both, I can categorically say that in almost every way the apprentices are better prepared and do better in the day job than the grads.
EXC: TEN midlands Tory MPs go public with call for Sunak to do more on Levelling Up by the summer - or see them lose their seats with nothing to sell on the doorstep.
Or was it the case that scrapping all these laws would have left a legal vacuum which was ignored by Sunak in his desperate attempt to chase good headlines in the right wing press .
We get the picture though , each time this rancid government fails is always the fault of others !
It's a situation that started under Blair and hasn't much improved since.
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/may/10/labour-defends-complaints-process-after-three-year-delay-in-harassment-case?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other