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  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    edited May 2023
    Sunderland St Anns


    Labour Co-op - Catherine Hunter 981 votes
    Conservative - Pam Mann 694 votes
    Liberal Democrats - Elaine Rumfitt 216 votes
    Green - Simon Hughes 131 votes

    Lab gain

    2021: Con 911 Lab 908 UKIP 190 LD 158
  • pingping Posts: 3,805
    edited May 2023
    Indeed, a great post by @augustus_carp but, surely, t’was ever thus?

    https://youtu.be/aU31h-oddAs
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,092
    carnforth said:

    St Anne's (Sunderland) council election result:

    LAB: 48.5% (+20.2)
    CON: 34.3% (+19.9)
    LDEM: 10.7% (+2.9)
    GRN: 6.5% (+1.0)

    Labour GAIN from UK Independence Party (-29.9).

    Must have been independents before too,

    Astonishing! UKIP still had a seat?
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,504

    Sunderland St Anns


    Labour Co-op - Catherine Hunter 981 votes
    Conservative - Pam Mann 694 votes
    Liberal Democrats - Elaine Rumfitt 216 votes
    Green - Simon Hughes 131 votes

    Lab gain

    2021: Con 911 Lab 908 UKIP 190 LD 158

    Not much Con to Lab swing there either, in the red wall this time. 🤔
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,052

    biggles said:

    Westie said:

    Nigelb said:

    WTF: Mind reading is here.

    Researchers invented a new #AI method to convert brain signals into video. See the results for yourself

    Published in Nature yesterday: https://nature.com/articles/s41586-023-06031-6

    What are the implications? Is this the biggest paper of 2023?

    https://twitter.com/itsandrewgao/status/1654233895255298048

    Tillium's law: surveillance leads to control.
    Mary Shelley was right.
    As ever, the Nature piece is impenetrable bullshit, so it’s hard to form a view. Write scientific papers in English people!!! The confusing bit is rarely the science, it’s that they can’t write for toffee.
    The task of writing scientific articles like that is ideally suited to AI.
    Very good point. “Here is some data - objectively summarise it in English”.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,993

    Sunderland St Anns


    Labour Co-op - Catherine Hunter 981 votes
    Conservative - Pam Mann 694 votes
    Liberal Democrats - Elaine Rumfitt 216 votes
    Green - Simon Hughes 131 votes

    Lab gain

    2021: Con 911 Lab 908 UKIP 190 LD 158

    Another annoyingly hard to interpret result.
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714

    Sunderland St Anns


    Labour Co-op - Catherine Hunter 981 votes
    Conservative - Pam Mann 694 votes
    Liberal Democrats - Elaine Rumfitt 216 votes
    Green - Simon Hughes 131 votes

    Lab gain

    2021: Con 911 Lab 908 UKIP 190 LD 158

    for whatever reason, I forgot Sunderland voted in 2022 too

    2022 Lab 1061 Con 840 Greens 273
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,993

    Sunderland St Anns


    Labour Co-op - Catherine Hunter 981 votes
    Conservative - Pam Mann 694 votes
    Liberal Democrats - Elaine Rumfitt 216 votes
    Green - Simon Hughes 131 votes

    Lab gain

    2021: Con 911 Lab 908 UKIP 190 LD 158

    Not much Con to Lab swing there either, in the red wall this time. 🤔
    But when there’s nearly 30% of UKIP votes up for grabs it’s pretty hard to interpret any Con-Lab swing. You’d expect most kippers to go Tory but it’s impossible to say.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,092
    Andy_JS said:

    biggles said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Sky News: elderly woman in Stoke-on-Trent arrived at the polling station with some family photo albums to prove her identity. Wasn't successful (if I understood correctly).

    I yield to no one in my disgust about this policy, but the idea of that amuses me. How did she think the photo album would help?
    Maybe that was all she had. Photo ID isn't a thing for a lot of older, poorer people.
    I'm not criticising the poor woman, but the way the headline is phrased it could be taken of a criticism that the album was not counted as acceptable ID, rather than that the need to bring ID was the problem - after all, the government could respond by saying more forms of ID, or an album, would now count, but that wouldn't address the main problem.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,662
    biggles said:

    Andy_JS said:

    carnforth said:

    Chester-le-Street East (County Durham) council by-election result:

    LAB: 59.8% (+28.9)
    CON: 36.6% (-4.9)
    LDEM: 3.6% (-1.4)

    No GRN (-22.6) as prev.

    Labour GAIN from Conservative.

    There's something for everyone in that result.
    Possible a bit more for Labour than the others, given that they doubled their 2021 share of the vote?
    Sir Keir Starmer please explain.

    Sorry, am I doing this right?
    2021 was a disaster for Lab.

    SKS lost 350 Councillors compared to "its worst ever leader"
  • vinovino Posts: 169
    Andy_JS said:

    biggles said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Sky News: elderly woman in Stoke-on-Trent arrived at the polling station with some family photo albums to prove her identity. Wasn't successful (if I understood correctly).

    I yield to no one in my disgust about this policy, but the idea of that amuses me. How did she think the photo album would help?
    Maybe that was all she had. Photo ID isn't a thing for a lot of older, poorer people.
    Perhaps a good idea if the Electoral Commission asks each Voting Authority of how many Voting Authority Certicates they issued - I know two people who obtained one - did the people turned away not know of the requirement?
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,019

    Sunderland St Anns


    Labour Co-op - Catherine Hunter 981 votes
    Conservative - Pam Mann 694 votes
    Liberal Democrats - Elaine Rumfitt 216 votes
    Green - Simon Hughes 131 votes

    Lab gain

    2021: Con 911 Lab 908 UKIP 190 LD 158

    Having just checked, that’s not a reincarnation of the former Lib Dem minister Simon Hughes.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    kle4 said:

    Do you still announce the results with those little ceremonies? An election officer comes out on a little stage, the candidates line up with their identifying rosettes, as if they were school students wondering who will get the reward, the results are read, and the winner congratulated.

    I loved those ceremonies because of the cool confidence in your institutions they show -- so I hope you are still doing them. (Coaches in the US sometimes tell their players that they should not make a big fuss after they score, saying something like this: "Act like you've done it before, and expect to do it again.")

    (These days I just have broadcast TV, and none of the local sub-channels include such things.)

    Hell yes we do. Like AndyJS I am surprised to find out that is not the way it is typically done.
    On of the things that make Great British Byelections great.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,504
    edited May 2023
    TimS said:

    Sunderland St Anns


    Labour Co-op - Catherine Hunter 981 votes
    Conservative - Pam Mann 694 votes
    Liberal Democrats - Elaine Rumfitt 216 votes
    Green - Simon Hughes 131 votes

    Lab gain

    2021: Con 911 Lab 908 UKIP 190 LD 158

    Not much Con to Lab swing there either, in the red wall this time. 🤔
    But when there’s nearly 30% of UKIP votes up for grabs it’s pretty hard to interpret any Con-Lab swing. You’d expect most kippers to go Tory but it’s impossible to say.
    Yes maybe I’m wrong. But 700 votes for Tories shows Brexit and Tory love maybe not fading away in Red Wall as quickly as psephologists and pollsters had been predicting for us tonight.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,078
    Leon said:

    viewcode said:

    I despair of the country I am living in, and I don't think I like many of the people living in it.

    I know, and believe me I sympathise, but it's the only one we got. Unlike SOME PEOPLE who swan about the world farting in bars, we aren't going anywhere so it's us who have to fix it. Shit doesn't clean itself up.

    So. Have a sit down, remind yourself you're a decent person who did good today, and relax for a bit. Cake is nice I find.
    Who would you go to a bar and fart, when you could have a nice strawberry citrus mojito? Or a turmeric-flavoured Old Fashioned?
    :smile:
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,557
    These Sunderland results aren't very helpful because UKIP has disappeared and their large vote from previously is going where you'd expect it to, to all the other parties.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    biggles said:

    Leon said:

    viewcode said:

    I despair of the country I am living in, and I don't think I like many of the people living in it.

    I know, and believe me I sympathise, but it's the only one we got. Unlike SOME PEOPLE who swan about the world farting in bars, we aren't going anywhere so it's us who have to fix it. Shit doesn't clean itself up.

    So. Have a sit down, remind yourself you're a decent person who did good today, and relax for a bit. Cake is nice I find.
    Who would you go to a bar and fart, when you could have a nice strawberry citrus mojito? Or a turmeric-flavoured Old Fashioned?
    What idiot would mess with an Old Fashioned or a Mojito? Name and shame them.

    “The 14th best bar in the world”, if we are to trust this dubious article

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/how-to-see-bangkok-without-the-crowds/
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,821
    carnforth said:

    Chester-le-Street East (County Durham) council by-election result:

    LAB: 59.8% (+28.9)
    CON: 36.6% (-4.9)
    LDEM: 3.6% (-1.4)

    No GRN (-22.6) as prev.

    Labour GAIN from Conservative.

    "The first transport is away! The first transport is away!"

    [Rebel Alliance troops cheer]
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,052
    Leon said:

    biggles said:

    Leon said:

    viewcode said:

    I despair of the country I am living in, and I don't think I like many of the people living in it.

    I know, and believe me I sympathise, but it's the only one we got. Unlike SOME PEOPLE who swan about the world farting in bars, we aren't going anywhere so it's us who have to fix it. Shit doesn't clean itself up.

    So. Have a sit down, remind yourself you're a decent person who did good today, and relax for a bit. Cake is nice I find.
    Who would you go to a bar and fart, when you could have a nice strawberry citrus mojito? Or a turmeric-flavoured Old Fashioned?
    What idiot would mess with an Old Fashioned or a Mojito? Name and shame them.

    “The 14th best bar in the world”, if we are to trust this dubious article

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/how-to-see-bangkok-without-the-crowds/
    I wish people who could write like this came to PB.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,647
    biggles said:

    biggles said:

    Westie said:

    Nigelb said:

    WTF: Mind reading is here.

    Researchers invented a new #AI method to convert brain signals into video. See the results for yourself

    Published in Nature yesterday: https://nature.com/articles/s41586-023-06031-6

    What are the implications? Is this the biggest paper of 2023?

    https://twitter.com/itsandrewgao/status/1654233895255298048

    Tillium's law: surveillance leads to control.
    Mary Shelley was right.
    As ever, the Nature piece is impenetrable bullshit, so it’s hard to form a view. Write scientific papers in English people!!! The confusing bit is rarely the science, it’s that they can’t write for toffee.
    The task of writing scientific articles like that is ideally suited to AI.
    Very good point. “Here is some data - objectively summarise it in English”.
    I wouldn't trust AI with anything that requires factual accuracy.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,659
    Nigelb said:

    WTF: Mind reading is here.*

    Researchers invented a new #AI method to convert brain signals into video. See the results for yourself

    Published in Nature yesterday: https://nature.com/articles/s41586-023-06031-6

    What are the implications? Is this the biggest paper of 2023?

    https://twitter.com/itsandrewgao/status/1654233895255298048

    * Not really, but this is on the way to a proof of concept.

    Hang on - can people really "see" stuff like that in their mind? I can't even imagine or draw my girlfriend's face (I recognise her when I see her). I have a vague idea - two eyes, a nose, big mole on her cheek. Not much more than that.

    Am I weird?
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    edited May 2023
    Sunderland -Doxford
    Liberal Democrats - Heather Fagan 1788
    Labour Co-op - Andrew John Rowntree 719
    Conservative - John Scott Wiper 301
    Reform UK- Dawn Hurst 146
    Green - Auburn Langley 67

    2022 LD 1511 Lab 851 Con 565 Green 115
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,662
    LD take control of Windsor from Tories according to winning here spinner
  • WestieWestie Posts: 426
    Any indication yet of whether overall turnout is up or down relative to most recent comparable elections?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,557
    Westie said:

    Any indication yet of whether overall turnout is up or down relative to most recent comparable elections?

    Far too early to say. We only get 25% of results tonight.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,587
    No sign of conservative collapse in the Sunderland seats. But perhaps Sunderland Tories are a hardy bunch.
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,639
    edited May 2023
    This is a link to a map which is showing the ward by ward results - only a few in Sunderland area so far.

    https://sotn.newstatesman.com/2023/05/britain-elects-results

    Click on the ward and you get the breakdown/change

  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,504
    edited May 2023

    Sunderland -Doxford
    Liberal Democrats - Heather Fagan 1788
    Labour Co-op - Andrew John Rowntree 719
    Conservative - John Scott Wiper 301
    Reform UK- Dawn Hurst 146
    Green - Auburn Langley 67

    2022 LD 1511 Lab 851 Con 565 Green 115

    Labour vote down. 🤔
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,057
    Foxy said:

    biggles said:

    biggles said:

    Westie said:

    Nigelb said:

    WTF: Mind reading is here.

    Researchers invented a new #AI method to convert brain signals into video. See the results for yourself

    Published in Nature yesterday: https://nature.com/articles/s41586-023-06031-6

    What are the implications? Is this the biggest paper of 2023?

    https://twitter.com/itsandrewgao/status/1654233895255298048

    Tillium's law: surveillance leads to control.
    Mary Shelley was right.
    As ever, the Nature piece is impenetrable bullshit, so it’s hard to form a view. Write scientific papers in English people!!! The confusing bit is rarely the science, it’s that they can’t write for toffee.
    The task of writing scientific articles like that is ideally suited to AI.
    Very good point. “Here is some data - objectively summarise it in English”.
    I wouldn't trust AI with anything that requires factual accuracy.
    I understand you can do a lot better than ChatGPT by connecting one of these large language models (LLMs) to a specific knowledge base.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,785
    Eabhal said:

    Nigelb said:

    WTF: Mind reading is here.*

    Researchers invented a new #AI method to convert brain signals into video. See the results for yourself

    Published in Nature yesterday: https://nature.com/articles/s41586-023-06031-6

    What are the implications? Is this the biggest paper of 2023?

    https://twitter.com/itsandrewgao/status/1654233895255298048

    * Not really, but this is on the way to a proof of concept.

    Hang on - can people really "see" stuff like that in their mind? I can't even imagine or draw my girlfriend's face (I recognise her when I see her). I have a vague idea - two eyes, a nose, big mole on her cheek. Not much more than that.

    Am I weird?
    You should watch 'Until The End of the World'. Quite remarkable how it's playing out.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,557
    8% swing from Lab to LD in Sunderland / Doxford.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,052
    Eabhal said:

    Nigelb said:

    WTF: Mind reading is here.*

    Researchers invented a new #AI method to convert brain signals into video. See the results for yourself

    Published in Nature yesterday: https://nature.com/articles/s41586-023-06031-6

    What are the implications? Is this the biggest paper of 2023?

    https://twitter.com/itsandrewgao/status/1654233895255298048

    * Not really, but this is on the way to a proof of concept.

    Hang on - can people really "see" stuff like that in their mind? I can't even imagine or draw my girlfriend's face (I recognise her when I see her). I have a vague idea - two eyes, a nose, big mole on her cheek. Not much more than that.

    Am I weird?
    There’s science on this. I am the opposite to you but neither of us is unusual. However it means we struggle to understand how each other “picture” anything.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,662

    Sunderland -Doxford
    Liberal Democrats - Heather Fagan 1788
    Labour Co-op - Andrew John Rowntree 719
    Conservative - John Scott Wiper 301
    Reform UK- Dawn Hurst 146
    Green - Auburn Langley 67

    2022 LD 1511 Lab 851 Con 565 Green 115

    First SKS please explain!!

    Don't worry I am off to bed now so no more tonight.

    FWIW I think Tories will be 8 to 9 points behind on projected national share
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,557
    carnforth said:

    No sign of conservative collapse in the Sunderland seats. But perhaps Sunderland Tories are a hardy bunch.

    They're picking up a substantial slab of the former UKIP vote which isn't surprising.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,057
    Eabhal said:

    Nigelb said:

    WTF: Mind reading is here.*

    Researchers invented a new #AI method to convert brain signals into video. See the results for yourself

    Published in Nature yesterday: https://nature.com/articles/s41586-023-06031-6

    What are the implications? Is this the biggest paper of 2023?

    https://twitter.com/itsandrewgao/status/1654233895255298048

    * Not really, but this is on the way to a proof of concept.

    Hang on - can people really "see" stuff like that in their mind? I can't even imagine or draw my girlfriend's face (I recognise her when I see her). I have a vague idea - two eyes, a nose, big mole on her cheek. Not much more than that.

    Am I weird?
    There is variation in what people can picture, with aphantasia at one end of the spectrum: see this nice podcast, https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001gwys
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,647
    edited May 2023

    Sunderland -Doxford
    Liberal Democrats - Heather Fagan 1788
    Labour Co-op - Andrew John Rowntree 719
    Conservative - John Scott Wiper 301
    Reform UK- Dawn Hurst 146
    Green - Auburn Langley 67

    2022 LD 1511 Lab 851 Con 565 Green 115

    Labour vote down.
    Surprised an LD like you isn't cheered that the LD majority is now bigger than the number of votes for the nearest rival.

    Lab up in a Sunderland Lab targeted ward, LD up in their ward looks like an effective tactical vote in each.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,052
    edited May 2023
    Foxy said:

    biggles said:

    biggles said:

    Westie said:

    Nigelb said:

    WTF: Mind reading is here.

    Researchers invented a new #AI method to convert brain signals into video. See the results for yourself

    Published in Nature yesterday: https://nature.com/articles/s41586-023-06031-6

    What are the implications? Is this the biggest paper of 2023?

    https://twitter.com/itsandrewgao/status/1654233895255298048

    Tillium's law: surveillance leads to control.
    Mary Shelley was right.
    As ever, the Nature piece is impenetrable bullshit, so it’s hard to form a view. Write scientific papers in English people!!! The confusing bit is rarely the science, it’s that they can’t write for toffee.
    The task of writing scientific articles like that is ideally suited to AI.
    Very good point. “Here is some data - objectively summarise it in English”.
    I wouldn't trust AI with anything that requires factual accuracy.
    I am moving to the position where I would. Just not crap GPT. If anything I’m happier for it to stay in lane and summarise a given set of data rather than pretend to use glorified auto-correct to do more, as with Crap GPT.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,647
    Westie said:

    Any indication yet of whether overall turnout is up or down relative to most recent comparable elections?

    Those few results look pretty similar.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,092
    carnforth said:

    No sign of conservative collapse in the Sunderland seats. But perhaps Sunderland Tories are a hardy bunch.

    In recent years my vague recollection is the swift declaring northern seats have been better than expected for the Tories (if still not good), but when the sleepy shires start declaring in the morning it all goes to hell.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,504
    carnforth said:

    No sign of conservative collapse in the Sunderland seats. But perhaps Sunderland Tories are a hardy bunch.

    The psephologists and MRP said Labour would have a great night in Red Wall this time, with mixed results when the South came in. Tory vote in red wall already defying polling and forecasts it seems.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,092
    edited May 2023

    This is a link to a map which is showing the ward by ward results - only a few in Sunderland area so far.

    https://sotn.newstatesman.com/2023/05/britain-elects-results

    Click on the ward and you get the breakdown/change

    Very nice. The New Statesman do some good work on local stuff. I particularly like it showing the winners in previous years, not just change from last election.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,377
    edited May 2023
    Foxy said:

    Sunderland -Doxford
    Liberal Democrats - Heather Fagan 1788
    Labour Co-op - Andrew John Rowntree 719
    Conservative - John Scott Wiper 301
    Reform UK- Dawn Hurst 146
    Green - Auburn Langley 67

    2022 LD 1511 Lab 851 Con 565 Green 115

    Labour vote down.
    Surprised an LD like you isn't cheered that the LD majority is now bigger than the number of votes for there nearest rival.

    Lab up in a Sunderland Lab targeted ward, LD up in their ward looks like an effective tactical vote in each.
    Yes, some promising early evidence of tactical anti-Tory voting. Here's hoping it's widespread. If they can do it in Sunderland, then anything's possible.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,785

    biggles said:

    Westie said:

    Nigelb said:

    WTF: Mind reading is here.

    Researchers invented a new #AI method to convert brain signals into video. See the results for yourself

    Published in Nature yesterday: https://nature.com/articles/s41586-023-06031-6

    What are the implications? Is this the biggest paper of 2023?

    https://twitter.com/itsandrewgao/status/1654233895255298048

    Tillium's law: surveillance leads to control.
    Mary Shelley was right.
    As ever, the Nature piece is impenetrable bullshit, so it’s hard to form a view. Write scientific papers in English people!!! The confusing bit is rarely the science, it’s that they can’t write for toffee.
    The task of writing scientific articles like that is ideally suited to AI.
    Oddly enough, I work in that field and GPT4 does a pretty good job when asked "Rewrite the following so that it is clear to " depending what you're after.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,564
    edited May 2023
    Andy_JS said:

    carnforth said:

    Chester-le-Street East (County Durham) council by-election result:

    LAB: 59.8% (+28.9)
    CON: 36.6% (-4.9)
    LDEM: 3.6% (-1.4)

    No GRN (-22.6) as prev.

    Labour GAIN from Conservative.

    There's something for everyone in that result.
    Well....the Greens stood down to let the LibDems have a free run.

    Not only did the LibDems pick up NONE of that previous Green 22.6%, their vote actually went down, from 5% to 3.6%.

    Hard to see the cheer for the LibDems there....
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,504
    kle4 said:

    carnforth said:

    No sign of conservative collapse in the Sunderland seats. But perhaps Sunderland Tories are a hardy bunch.

    In recent years my vague recollection is the swift declaring northern seats have been better than expected for the Tories (if still not good), but when the sleepy shires start declaring in the morning it all goes to hell.
    You are correct, that is my clear recollection from last year - a blue mirage creating the Labour struggles in red wall headlines, that stayed up all day despite the Tory woes Friday afternoon.

    But we were assured by forcasts it would be different this time, but Tory’s not struggling in Red Wall as yet.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,557
    Laura Kuenssberg is hosting the BBC's election night coverage. I think this might be the first time a woman has done so.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,647
    edited May 2023
    Castle (Sunderland) council election result:

    LAB: 65.0% (+16.6)
    CON: 13.6% (+2.6)
    REF: 10.3% (+10.3)
    LDEM: 6.6% (+6.6)
    GRN: 4.6% (+4.6)

    Labour HOLD.

    Turnout: 23.4% (-3.5)

    No UKIP (-40.7) as prev

    Silksworth (Sunderland) council election result:

    LAB: 56.2% (+18.6)
    CON: 19.0% (-0.8)
    GRN: 13.3% (+3.7)
    REF: 8.4% (+8.4)
    LDEM: 3.0% (+3.0)

    Labour HOLD.

    Turnout: 32.8% (-3.2)

    No UKIP (-28.3) as prev.

    Looks a pretty solid Lab swing to me.
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    edited May 2023
    Washington East election results 2023 - Labour hold

    Labour Co-op - Fiona Miller 1651
    Conservative - Hiliary Johnson 780
    Liberal Democrats - Richard Bond 122
    Reform UK - Lynda Alexander 210
    Green - Michal Chantokowski 166

    2022: Lab 1682 Con 1223 Green 239

    Libdem held easily Pallion ward
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,557
    edited May 2023
    Tamworth will be interesting. It's always voted Labour when they've won a general election, (which is to say 2005, 2001, 1997, Oct 1974, 1966, 1964, 1950, 1945).
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,078

    This is a link to a map which is showing the ward by ward results - only a few in Sunderland area so far.

    https://sotn.newstatesman.com/2023/05/britain-elects-results

    Click on the ward and you get the breakdown/change

    Very useful, thank you
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921
    Westie said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Westie said:

    The Times: "Almost half of countries where Charles is King support becoming a republic", including Australia, Canada, and Jamaica.

    With the coronation, he's banging nails into his own coffin. It's excruciating as well as hilarious. Nobody told him to have a coronation. He doesn't have to have one if he doesn't want one. He could easily go about in a business suit or scruff it up like Bill Gates. But no, he demands full-scale anointment with oil from Jerusalem. He demands a seat in front of the Cosmati pavement getting an archbishop put a diamond-studded hat on his head. He thinks people care what he thinks about religion too. Every religion. Because they all want a king. Right. Right? The guy is f***ing gaga.

    I'll give it a year, tops.

    I bet the insiders are already discussing how to save the monarchy from him.

    https://archive.is/IBghW

    As far as Australia is concerned it appears this is old news as Sky are pushing a poll this evening that shows that support for a Republic has dropped and there is now 60% support for contiuing with the Monarchy
    There is a Wokery infection afflicting Canada at the moment and depressing support for the monarchy.

    But I'm very confident they don't want to be another republic just like America. They do want to work their current issues through and develop a more Canadian identity to their monarchy/governor-general though.

    KCIII needs to respond to that.
    There won't for starters because the Canadian PM Trudeau and Conservative leader of the Opposition Poilievre back keeping the monarchy, only the minor NDP and BQ want a republic
    Of the other Commonwealth Realms polled, only the Bahamas and Solomon Islands have majority support for a Republic
    It's all in how you phrase the question, but the following seems clear (from p.62 of the Ashcroft poll):

    "If there were a referendum tomorrow, how would you vote?"

    Options: "For my country to remain a constitutional monarchy with King Charles as head of state", "For my country to become a republic", and DK/WV.

    Republic > keep the monarchy in Canada, Australia, Jamaica, Bahamas, Solomon Is, Northern Ireland, and Antigua and Barbuda.

    So he's 5-2 down in the 7 sovereign countries other than Britain that have populations > 400,000, the monarchist two being NZ and Papua New Guinea.

    Lose Canada, Australia, and Jamaica, and the republicans in the other 11 will have a lot of traction for saying that keeping the British king as head of state makes sovereignty a sham.
    Republic is less than 50% in Canada and Australia and tied with retaining the monarchy in New Zealand.

    There is zero chance of a monarchy referendum in Canada as both the governing Liberals and opposition Conservatives back retaining the monarchy. If Australia fails to vote for the indigenous voice referendum by a big majority later this year as some polls suggest even pro Republic Australian Labor PM Albanese may not risk another referendum on it. Most of the Caribbean already are now Republics so Jamaica going the same way makes little difference.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,377
    Foxy said:

    Castle (Sunderland) council election result:

    LAB: 65.0% (+16.6)
    CON: 13.6% (+2.6)
    REF: 10.3% (+10.3)
    LDEM: 6.6% (+6.6)
    GRN: 4.6% (+4.6)

    Labour HOLD.

    Turnout: 23.4% (-3.5)

    No UKIP (-40.7) as prev

    Silksworth (Sunderland) council election result:

    LAB: 56.2% (+18.6)
    CON: 19.0% (-0.8)
    GRN: 13.3% (+3.7)
    REF: 8.4% (+8.4)
    LDEM: 3.0% (+3.0)

    Labour HOLD.

    Turnout: 32.8% (-3.2)

    No UKIP (-28.3) as prev.

    Looks a pretty solid Lab swing to me.

    Labour seems to be picking up most of the UKIP vote in Sunderland.
    I don't know whether to be pleased or horrified.
    I'll sleep on it.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,504
    Foxy said:

    Sunderland -Doxford
    Liberal Democrats - Heather Fagan 1788
    Labour Co-op - Andrew John Rowntree 719
    Conservative - John Scott Wiper 301
    Reform UK- Dawn Hurst 146
    Green - Auburn Langley 67

    2022 LD 1511 Lab 851 Con 565 Green 115

    Labour vote down.
    Surprised an LD like you isn't cheered that the LD majority is now bigger than the number of votes for the nearest rival.

    Lab up in a Sunderland Lab targeted ward, LD up in their ward looks like an effective tactical vote in each.
    No. I’m just calling it straight like a psephologist not a spinner. The Labour vote didn’t stand still or advance just a little bit, as a good night would surely have produced, it went backwards. Could be tactical like you said, but could also be sign of Labour voter apathy in the Red Wall today.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,647
    edited May 2023

    Foxy said:

    Castle (Sunderland) council election result:

    LAB: 65.0% (+16.6)
    CON: 13.6% (+2.6)
    REF: 10.3% (+10.3)
    LDEM: 6.6% (+6.6)
    GRN: 4.6% (+4.6)

    Labour HOLD.

    Turnout: 23.4% (-3.5)

    No UKIP (-40.7) as prev

    Silksworth (Sunderland) council election result:

    LAB: 56.2% (+18.6)
    CON: 19.0% (-0.8)
    GRN: 13.3% (+3.7)
    REF: 8.4% (+8.4)
    LDEM: 3.0% (+3.0)

    Labour HOLD.

    Turnout: 32.8% (-3.2)

    No UKIP (-28.3) as prev.

    Looks a pretty solid Lab swing to me.

    Labour seems to be picking up most of the UKIP vote in Sunderland.
    I don't know whether to be pleased or horrified.
    I'll sleep on it.
    We don't know that, it could be big churn, with CON to LAB, and UKIP to CON etc.

    It does seem possible though that Starmer is not anathema to Brexit voters, despite his history.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070
    Eabhal said:

    Nigelb said:

    WTF: Mind reading is here.*

    Researchers invented a new #AI method to convert brain signals into video. See the results for yourself

    Published in Nature yesterday: https://nature.com/articles/s41586-023-06031-6

    What are the implications? Is this the biggest paper of 2023?

    https://twitter.com/itsandrewgao/status/1654233895255298048

    * Not really, but this is on the way to a proof of concept.

    Hang on - can people really "see" stuff like that in their mind? I can't even imagine or draw my girlfriend's face (I recognise her when I see her). I have a vague idea - two eyes, a nose, big mole on her cheek. Not much more than that.

    Am I weird?
    Not particularly. The capacity to mentally visualise stuff apparently varies massively between individuals.

    What do you 'see' when you're actually looking at her ?
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,504
    edited May 2023

    Foxy said:

    Castle (Sunderland) council election result:

    LAB: 65.0% (+16.6)
    CON: 13.6% (+2.6)
    REF: 10.3% (+10.3)
    LDEM: 6.6% (+6.6)
    GRN: 4.6% (+4.6)

    Labour HOLD.

    Turnout: 23.4% (-3.5)

    No UKIP (-40.7) as prev

    Silksworth (Sunderland) council election result:

    LAB: 56.2% (+18.6)
    CON: 19.0% (-0.8)
    GRN: 13.3% (+3.7)
    REF: 8.4% (+8.4)
    LDEM: 3.0% (+3.0)

    Labour HOLD.

    Turnout: 32.8% (-3.2)

    No UKIP (-28.3) as prev.

    Looks a pretty solid Lab swing to me.

    Labour seems to be picking up most of the UKIP vote in Sunderland.
    I don't know whether to be pleased or horrified.
    I'll sleep on it.
    Could be its roundabouts, ukip to Tory, Tory to Labour. Which is what I think Foxy tried to say, but made a mess of it.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,078
    Halton
    Halton Castle

    PARTY PCT. CHG.
    ⬤ Lab 66.6 + 14.2
    ⬤ Grn 12.1 + 12.1
    ⬤ Ind 10.6 - 7.7
    ⬤ Con 6.8 - 11.2
    ⬤ LDem 4.0 - 7.3

    https://sotn.newstatesman.com/2023/05/britain-elects-results
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,557
    I'm taking it for granted the Tories will do horribly versus the LDs in the Blue Wall. The Red Wall in the Midlands will be more interesting.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,647

    Foxy said:

    Sunderland -Doxford
    Liberal Democrats - Heather Fagan 1788
    Labour Co-op - Andrew John Rowntree 719
    Conservative - John Scott Wiper 301
    Reform UK- Dawn Hurst 146
    Green - Auburn Langley 67

    2022 LD 1511 Lab 851 Con 565 Green 115

    Labour vote down.
    Surprised an LD like you isn't cheered that the LD majority is now bigger than the number of votes for the nearest rival.

    Lab up in a Sunderland Lab targeted ward, LD up in their ward looks like an effective tactical vote in each.
    No. I’m just calling it straight like a psephologist not a spinner. The Labour vote didn’t stand still or advance just a little bit, as a good night would surely have produced, it went backwards. Could be tactical like you said, but could also be sign of Labour voter apathy in the Red Wall today.
    Another few results up on Britain elects, with LAB vote up 15-20% across them all.

  • Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 4,780
    viewcode said:

    Halton
    Halton Castle

    PARTY PCT. CHG.
    ⬤ Lab 66.6 + 14.2
    ⬤ Grn 12.1 + 12.1
    ⬤ Ind 10.6 - 7.7
    ⬤ Con 6.8 - 11.2
    ⬤ LDem 4.0 - 7.3

    https://sotn.newstatesman.com/2023/05/britain-elects-results

    Change v 2021
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,504
    viewcode said:

    This is a link to a map which is showing the ward by ward results - only a few in Sunderland area so far.

    https://sotn.newstatesman.com/2023/05/britain-elects-results

    Click on the ward and you get the breakdown/change

    Very useful, thank you
    We need Con held battles especially if small ukip to squeeze
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,639
    edited May 2023
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  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,078
    Sunderland
    Doxford
    PARTY PCT. CHG.
    ⬤ LDem 59.2 + 16.5
    ⬤ Lab 23.8 + 0.5
    ⬤ Con 10.0 - 2.6
    ⬤ Ref 4.8 + 4.8
    ⬤ Grn 2.2 - 2.6
    +/- with 2019
    Previous winners (by year)
    https://sotn.newstatesman.com/2023/05/britain-elects-results
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,052
    Oh thank God, have Jeremy Vine and his visuals been binned?!
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,557
    edited May 2023


    Some variation from the theme...

    Britain Elects
    @BritainElects
    ·
    Chesterton (Cotswold) council election result:

    LDEM: 63.9% (-21.6)
    CON: 24.9% (+10.4)
    GRN: 11.2% (+11.2)

    Liberal Democrat HOLD.

    The LDs were on 85% before? I think that result needs to be re-checked by Britain Elects.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,504

    Washington East election results 2023 - Labour hold

    Labour Co-op - Fiona Miller 1651
    Conservative - Hiliary Johnson 780
    Liberal Democrats - Richard Bond 122
    Reform UK - Lynda Alexander 210
    Green - Michal Chantokowski 166

    2022: Lab 1682 Con 1223 Green 239

    Libdem held easily Pallion ward

    Another huge 800 red wall Tory vote. If you were expecting the forecast Tory collapse that is.
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,639
    edited May 2023
    Some variation from the theme...

    Chesterton (Cotswold) council election result:

    LDEM: 63.9% (-15.8)
    CON: 24.9% (+4.6)
    GRN: 11.2% (+11.2)

    Liberal Democrat HOLD.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,052
    Christ, Curtice already looks knackered. Get him coffee.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,557
    John Curtis: turnout down so far.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,191
    I think Labour will be pleased to win St Anne's in Sunderland
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,913
    The Tories predicted to lose 800 seats. Is that good or bad. Who knows?
  • pingping Posts: 3,805
    edited May 2023
    Andy_JS said:

    Laura Kuenssberg is hosting the BBC's election night coverage. I think this might be the first time a woman has done so.

    I have a) respect for - and b) beef with Laura k.

    2017 election. It was her job to have a decent idea of what Theresa May was thinking.

    The lecturn was placed outside number 10. She was openly musing, live on air, that surely, the PM couldn’t be about to announce an election?

    Theresa May then announced an election.

    I lost a small-to-moderate amount of money because I somewhat trusted that she had a decent grasp of the PM’s thinking/options.

    She didn’t.

    It was her job. She got played by TM.

    I’d posted on here, prior, that TM clearly didn’t have a mandate and an election was a possibility. I overrode my own judgment, partly due to Laura K’s output.
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,639
    Andy_JS said:


    Some variation from the theme...

    Britain Elects
    @BritainElects
    ·
    Chesterton (Cotswold) council election result:

    LDEM: 63.9% (-21.6)
    CON: 24.9% (+10.4)
    GRN: 11.2% (+11.2)

    Liberal Democrat HOLD.

    The LDs were on 85% before? I think that result needs to be re-checked by Britain Elects.
    Yes it has been changed - I have now posted the revised version!
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,564

    Foxy said:

    Castle (Sunderland) council election result:

    LAB: 65.0% (+16.6)
    CON: 13.6% (+2.6)
    REF: 10.3% (+10.3)
    LDEM: 6.6% (+6.6)
    GRN: 4.6% (+4.6)

    Labour HOLD.

    Turnout: 23.4% (-3.5)

    No UKIP (-40.7) as prev

    Silksworth (Sunderland) council election result:

    LAB: 56.2% (+18.6)
    CON: 19.0% (-0.8)
    GRN: 13.3% (+3.7)
    REF: 8.4% (+8.4)
    LDEM: 3.0% (+3.0)

    Labour HOLD.

    Turnout: 32.8% (-3.2)

    No UKIP (-28.3) as prev.

    Looks a pretty solid Lab swing to me.

    Labour seems to be picking up most of the UKIP vote in Sunderland.
    I don't know whether to be pleased or horrified.
    I'll sleep on it.
    Isn't that where much of it came from? Gammons going back home to Labour....
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,275
    It’s difficult trying to extrapolate how well or badly the Tories might do from areas that had high previous UKIP totals .
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,557

    Andy_JS said:


    Some variation from the theme...

    Britain Elects
    @BritainElects
    ·
    Chesterton (Cotswold) council election result:

    LDEM: 63.9% (-21.6)
    CON: 24.9% (+10.4)
    GRN: 11.2% (+11.2)

    Liberal Democrat HOLD.

    The LDs were on 85% before? I think that result needs to be re-checked by Britain Elects.
    Yes it has been changed - I have now posted the revised version!
    Thanks.
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,639

    Washington East election results 2023 - Labour hold

    Labour Co-op - Fiona Miller 1651
    Conservative - Hiliary Johnson 780
    Liberal Democrats - Richard Bond 122
    Reform UK - Lynda Alexander 210
    Green - Michal Chantokowski 166

    2022: Lab 1682 Con 1223 Green 239

    Libdem held easily Pallion ward

    Another huge 800 red wall Tory vote. If you were expecting the forecast Tory collapse that is.
    What appears to be happening in Sunderland is that UKIP isn't standing this time, some votes are going to REF but lots to LAB (and a few to CON)
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,557
    Seat changes so far:

    Lab +2
    UKIP -2

    No change for other parties.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,092
    edited May 2023
    Andy_JS said:


    Some variation from the theme...

    Britain Elects
    @BritainElects
    ·
    Chesterton (Cotswold) council election result:

    LDEM: 63.9% (-21.6)
    CON: 24.9% (+10.4)
    GRN: 11.2% (+11.2)

    Liberal Democrat HOLD.

    The LDs were on 85% before? I think that result needs to be re-checked by Britain Elects.
    I make it around 79.7%?


    Very small wards it seems.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,052

    Foxy said:

    Castle (Sunderland) council election result:

    LAB: 65.0% (+16.6)
    CON: 13.6% (+2.6)
    REF: 10.3% (+10.3)
    LDEM: 6.6% (+6.6)
    GRN: 4.6% (+4.6)

    Labour HOLD.

    Turnout: 23.4% (-3.5)

    No UKIP (-40.7) as prev

    Silksworth (Sunderland) council election result:

    LAB: 56.2% (+18.6)
    CON: 19.0% (-0.8)
    GRN: 13.3% (+3.7)
    REF: 8.4% (+8.4)
    LDEM: 3.0% (+3.0)

    Labour HOLD.

    Turnout: 32.8% (-3.2)

    No UKIP (-28.3) as prev.

    Looks a pretty solid Lab swing to me.

    Labour seems to be picking up most of the UKIP vote in Sunderland.
    I don't know whether to be pleased or horrified.
    I'll sleep on it.
    Isn't that where much of it came from? Gammons going back home to Labour....
    Is this a surprise to anyone? I always assumed that in 2019 and earlier, seats were won for the Tories because their mate Nige took Labour votes that never would have gone blue.
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    edited May 2023
    Sunderland - Barnes
    Labour Co-op- Abdul Bakkar Haque 1272
    Conservative - Kevin Leonard 1130
    Reform UK - Alan Douglas Bilton 296
    Liberal Democrats - Tim Ellis-Dale 248
    Green - Mark Tyers 212

    Lab gain.

    Con won last year with 9% majority.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,504
    Roger said:

    The Tories predicted to lose 800 seats. Is that good or bad. Who knows?

    I predicted 814.

    That would be poor but better than expectations, and a PNE only a bit down on last time.

    Who made that prediction? Is it uniform swing not accounting for tactical voting?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,557

    Washington East election results 2023 - Labour hold

    Labour Co-op - Fiona Miller 1651
    Conservative - Hiliary Johnson 780
    Liberal Democrats - Richard Bond 122
    Reform UK - Lynda Alexander 210
    Green - Michal Chantokowski 166

    2022: Lab 1682 Con 1223 Green 239

    Libdem held easily Pallion ward

    Another huge 800 red wall Tory vote. If you were expecting the forecast Tory collapse that is.
    What appears to be happening in Sunderland is that UKIP isn't standing this time, some votes are going to REF but lots to LAB (and a few to CON)
    Labour getting the Brexit voters back. What do Labour members in London think of that?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,092
    edited May 2023
    Andy_JS said:

    John Curtis: turnout down so far.

    Need a bit more than that, John. In my county turnout was down in every single ward in 2013, and up in almost all in 2017 for example, so clear trends, but it was not massive in either case. You'd need a drop of more than a few percent on average to assume a problem.
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,275
    Turnout down nearly everywhere . Shockingly so in some areas . Looks like a combination of apathy and the Tories attempts to stop people voting who might not vote for them .
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921
    edited May 2023

    Some variation from the theme...

    Chesterton (Cotswold) council election result:

    LDEM: 63.9% (-15.8)
    CON: 24.9% (+4.6)
    GRN: 11.2% (+11.2)

    Liberal Democrat HOLD.

    Swing 10% LD to Con there in LD led Cotswold, as I said expect a good night for Labour overall as the early Sunderland and Halton results suggest but a more mixed night for the LDs
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,504
    Andy_JS said:

    John Curtis: turnout down so far.

    This turnout down I think is hurting Labour most. Starmer not inspired people to the polling booth.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,557
    LD MP Sarah Olney describing the situation I was talking about earlier, regarding maiden and married names for women voters.
  • DialupDialup Posts: 561
    Early signs that Labour has recovered in the Red Wall
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    edited May 2023
    Sunderland

    Fulwell - Lib Dem Gain from Con (already won by LDs last year)

    Liberal Democrats - Peter Walton 1879
    Conservative - David Sinclair 1036
    Labour - Andy Stafford 718
    Reform UK - Lisa Hilton126
    Green - Liam Dufferwiel 108
    Monster Raving Loony - Jumping Jack Flash 40

    St Peter's - Con hold

    Conservative - Josh McKeith 1348
    Labour Co-op - David Newey 1160
    Liberal Democrats - John Lennox 254
    Green - Rachel Featherstone 193
    Reform UK - Keith Samme 152
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559

    Andy_JS said:

    John Curtis: turnout down so far.

    This turnout down I think is hurting Labour most. Starmer not inspired people to the polling booth.
    Plus Tory efforts to keep them away from the polling booth?
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,504

    Some variation from the theme...

    Chesterton (Cotswold) council election result:

    LDEM: 63.9% (-15.8)
    CON: 24.9% (+4.6)
    GRN: 11.2% (+11.2)

    Liberal Democrat HOLD.

    Depending on what happened last time, and the history in the seat, that could be disappointing for the Cons.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,557
    edited May 2023
    The Tories briefly lost a seat according to the BBC, but they're back to zero losses again. Not sure what happened. Oh, it's back again.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,092

    Andy_JS said:

    John Curtis: turnout down so far.

    This turnout down I think is hurting Labour most. Starmer not inspired people to the polling booth.
    It's a local election. Taking only my own region as a guide turnout in only a handful of wards reaches 50%, and in many places is in the low to mid 20s, with the average probably being more like 33%.

    Inspiring against a backdrop of local apathy is not easy.
  • pingping Posts: 3,805
    Andy_JS said:

    LD MP Sarah Olney describing the situation I was talking about earlier, regarding maiden and married names for women voters.

    Oooh. This is angle I hadn’t considered.

    Bad news for the tories.

    Very bad news.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,557
    Dialup said:

    Early signs that Labour has recovered in the Red Wall

    Does Sunderland count as the Red Wall? All 3 parliamentary seats there are still Labour.
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