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This looks worrying for Number 10 and the Tories – politicalbetting.com
This looks worrying for Number 10 and the Tories – politicalbetting.com
Starmer vs Sunak (30 April):Starmer leads on NEARLY ALL leadership characteristics including:Can bring British people together (46% | 26%)Represents change (44% | 25%)Can build a strong economy (40% | 33%)Sunak leads on:is in good physical and mental health (34% | 33%) pic.twitter.com/JZGW7OYmWH
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Not a bad score for Starmer given how much older than Sunak he is.
All bar 2 of 14 unions vote for it
The NHS dispute and the government have just confirmed it will now implement the deal
Unison have just said the lump sums will be in the June pay packets
Just in time for the vote at the next election
I'm sure others will have examples of Sunak's duplicity, but Starmer looks like the porkie-teller-in-chief of the two to me. Would be a different contest versus Johnson, of course.
Whisper it carefully, Sunak might be a bit of a duffer.
2016 was a one-off fork in the road. We can't go back and change our minds, and the previous status quo isn't on offer anyway.
Any new attempt to join the EU needs to start with a party winning an election with a commitment to negotiate accession and everything that comes with it. It doesn't start with rerunning the 2016 vote.
Or in the words of the Guardian/Infantino...
Due to the time-zone difference, Women’s World Cup matches will be held outside prime-time viewing hours for European markets but Infantino said that was no excuse given that many games would kick off at 9am or 10am in Europe.
https://digitalhub.fifa.com/m/5fd80f719fbff8e4/original/rvgxekduqpeo1ptbgcng-pdf.pdf
Guessing kick off time will outweigh growth of womens game since 2019 so Europe's audience likely to drop back a bit.
Pope Francis said on Sunday that the Vatican was involved in behind-the-scenes efforts to end the war. “There is a mission in course now but it is not yet public. When it is public, I will reveal it,” he said after a trip to Hungary that involved talks with Viktor Orban, the Hungarian prime minister, and a Russian Orthodox bishop. “Everyone is interested in the road to peace,” the Pope added.
Last week, Denys Shmyhal, the Ukrainian prime minister, said he had discussed President Zelensky’s peace formula with the Pope during a meeting at the Vatican. Zelensky’s plan includes the withdrawal of all Russian forces from Ukraine and the establishment of a special tribunal to prosecute Russian war crimes. The Kremlin has rejected both demands.
Shmyhal also said he had asked the Pope to help repatriate about 19,500 Ukrainian children who have been deported to Russia or Kremlin-controlled areas of Ukraine.
Francis has said he wants to visit Kyiv and Moscow on a peace mission to end the 14-month conflict, the most serious fighting in Europe since the end of the Second World War. However, an official close to the Ukrainian president’s office said Zelensky had not consented to peace efforts on Ukraine’s behalf.
“If talks are happening, they are happening without our knowledge or our blessing,” the official, who was not identified, told CNN.
Kyiv has said there can be no peace until it has recovered all territory seized by Russia since 2014, including Crimea. A ceasefire, Zelensky’s government argues, would simply allow Russia to regroup and bolster its forces before launching a new invasion.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/war-in-ukraine-pope-francis-pursuing-peace-mission-without-zelenskys-blessing-says-kyiv-v7ghtd5h3
It's going to change everything, for Sunak.
The issue is the democratic process. It would be crazy but perfectly democratic.
A small but significant number of Nats would have realised that British/Scottish democracy was a sham, and could never deliver Indy, and they would have turned to violence. Scotland would have become Ireland in 1916-1920
Would the Brits have done the same if the Brexit vote had been overruled and a 2nd vote ordered, without us Brexiting? Probably, possibly, who knows - remember there was violence before the first Brexit vote: an MP was killed
Even if civil strife had been averted, millions of Leave voters would have boycotted the 2nd vote, correctly assuming that the whole thing was a fix, and their will would never be honoured, and democracy was a lie, and what’s the fucking point. Turnout in future elections would have plunged. Basically it would have shattered British democracy for a generation, maybe forever. Utter utter madness
That’s what I mean when I say hardcore Remainers weren’t just stupid, like Leavers, they were dangerously stupid because they thought their ludicrous shenanigans were “clever”
A renaissance, if you will, nears.
A woman, a queen, a lady awaits the call.
The high priestess of all that is right, fair and true.
Step forward Mary Elizabeth Truss.
Mother. Monarch. Mistress.
You were were wise before your time.
But now your time has come.
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SKS "Yes. That's why it's a pledge"
Or a *LIE* as we ordinary folks call it https://twitter.com/TheProleStar/status/1653385787398815744
You were warned, and voted for it anyway.
And here we are.
A generation to undo the damage caused by the selfish few.
Graygate hangs over Starmer like a shroud. If Currygate was the squall, Graygate is the storm.
Hardly “the few”
A second vote is entirely possible now to my mind, precisely because we've left.
The hardcore remainer scenario was the equivalent of say Corbyn winning the GE and then proceeding to have a 'confirmatory vote' before he ever stepped into office.
The equivalent now would be to have a vote after say 4 or 5 years of him having been in office (Say he'd won GE19) which of course is completely democratic.
The key for me is that Brexit has happened as an event. Which makes a vote to rejoin now perfectly democratic. A vote prior to leaving properly (Which was 31st January 2020) would have been unconscionable.
Political reality is it's not going to happen for a while now, but democratically anything after 31st Jan 2020 to rejoin is/was fine.
One guy just said he’s flying home two weeks early to vote Tory when he’s normally Plaid Cymru, just because of Greygate. Another guy said Yeah Starmer’s Ok but Sunak looks so HEALTHY
Bet accordingly
How many people will be getting up at 5:30 in the morning to watch non-home teams, I'm not sure - but it's nowhere near the number who would do so for the men's WC. Fifa crying sexism about it is pretty funny though.
Owen says
" I haven't urged people to vote Labour for a long time and I won't be doing so"
"I've worked out the code for when Starmer is lying; It's when he's gesticulating with his hands or nodding his head, or having his eyes open, or closed, or being awake, or speaking words."
in SKSFPE
If you and other political absolutists want to vote TUSC/REFUK and don't care about the result that is of course your democratic right. Most normals though won't care. Or are you suggesting that as Starmer Is A Liar that they should instead vote for a Tory party full of not just liars but corrupt liars?
It starts with kicking out the complete berks who thought it would be a great idea.
It lies in the fact that a minuscule proportion of Brexit advocates (essentially the ERG and Farage's inner circle of deranged alcoholics) insisted on a version of Brexit that was the precise opposite of the assurances pre-referendum Brexit supporters gave to voters. At their 2019 peak, those lunatics amounted to not much more than 100 people: their number's now getting ever closer to single figures.
"Should the United Kingdom remain in no man's land or leave to join every other European country in the European Union?
Tick one box only:
Leave
Remain
The government will implement whatever the majority decide."
Versus the 33% who still think it a good idea.
I'll put you down as one of the don't knows.
Silly me
All decisions like this do is confirm that you couldn't put a cigarette paper between the Tories and Labour. They're both bunches of third rate office seeking troughers who are only very distantly acquainted with the truth, and the main aims of both are to sit in ministerial offices and collect fat salaries for doing nothing of any value, whilst defending existing privilege.
The Shadow Cabinet is going to have to do better than endlessly shitting all over its own supporters if it wants to construct a stable electoral coalition. If I were a student who had been flirting with supporting that shower, I'd be sorely tempted to extend the middle finger in the general direction of Keir Starmer and either abstain or lodge a protest with the Greens.
We have now brexited. The vote is honoured. British democracy works. It sticks to promises made by the prime minister, no less. Your Vote Will Count. This Is It. So it is still worth voting in future elections and referendums because it makes a difference. it matters. YOU, the voter, YOU MATTER
Now we’ve done that, Remainers/Rejoiners are free to start campaigning for an immediate 2nd referendum to go straight back in. Heck, if they are persuasive enough, I might even vote for them
But we HAD to honour the first vote. Anything else was insane self harm and would have sent us to a terrible place
ETA: Unless BP was claiming 2nd in the England resident poster's category (I forget whether TimS is the US-based of our Tims)
Also its not a race to the bottom
Also as a Tory you should surely understand supply and demand and the Market
Vacancies at all time high, is the market working!!
I personally know several Brexit voters who regret their vote
I suspect a lot of if it just because Brexit unfortunately collided with a plague and then a massive war so it’s all turned out worse, and felt worse, than it might have done otherwise, nonetheless the numbers are the numbers and there SHOULD be a serious party campaigning for a new referendum and Rejoin, in the next GE, as it is clearly the wish of millions of people
I can’t for the life of me understand why the Lib Dems aren’t seizing this position and making it their territory. What is the point of them otherwise?
I get why Starmer can’t quite be so courageous but if Labour at some point take up this stance then good luck to them
We Brexited, democratically, and if the British people decide to reverse that in another vote, so be it. Fair enough. That’s what makes us different from the EU (and to my mind democratically superior) - WE DO NOT IGNORE OR OVERRULE REFERENDUMS
There's nothing like a simple fair choice.....
The most obious example is the question of leaving the single market. What started out with people pointing out that *some* Brexit supporters wanted to stay in the single market has been mythologised as *nobody* saying that we would leave the single market, even though both Leave and Remain campaigns were clear before the referendum that this is what would happen.
I’m beginning to think you can’t help yourself.
Labour MP Graham Stringer argues the civil service has become far too powerful."
https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/05/02/labour-was-wrong-to-celebrate-raabs-ousting/
Who would win in a fight between the Westminster party leaders?
The whole referendum was a shoddy mess for which Cameron must take much of the blame, He did his shitty non-renegotiation, he decided to call the referendum in the slapdash way he did, he decided there would be no 2nd referendum of what kind of Brecit we wanted if it was Leave, and so on and so forth. The essay crisis prime minister produced a D grade essay. That will be Cameron’s terrible epitaph, he totally fucked up the one big job he had
But we could only vote on what the government offered us. Leave or Remain. And thus we voted
Any future government is now free to finesse the deal, of course, and I imagine that will be possible. The EU has it seems finally moved on from its Brexit Britain Must Be Punished attitude (which was understandable from an EU point of view, albeit spiteful and vindictive)
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/open-britain-video-single-market-nigel-farage-anna-soubry_uk_582ce0a0e4b09025ba310fce
Our political system no longer allows for divergence from our managed national decline. So of course there is an ever-narrowing gap between the parties. My minimal expectations for the incoming Labour government is to treat people with basic human dignity and not be a cesspool of incompetent corruption.
If we get those, it is worth the change. What we do after that is likely too difficult to achieve without some kind of national crisis where we all have a "where do we go from here" conversation. Covid could have been that, but we had Boris in government.
Michael Gove says leaving EU would mean quitting single market
- https://www.ft.com/content/0c5c74bc-151e-11e6-b197-a4af20d5575e
Cameron: ‘I’ll pull UK out of the single market after Brexit’
- https://www.politico.eu/article/david-cameron-bbc-andrew-marr-ill-pull-uk-out-of-the-single-market-after-brexit-eu-referendum-vote-june-23-consequences-news/