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  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,625

    WillG said:

    Foxy said:

    Westie said:

    People don't know just how magical and special a Coronation is.

    A very strong plurality will watch it, and polling numbers will go up significantly once it's happened, because it's very British and we're simply the best in the world at this sort of stuff.

    How can a plurality watch it? It is an either or. Watch it or not watch it. Majority watch or majority not watch. Plurality does not come into it.
    What are you - a communist non-believer or something? Shiteaters will be a plurality because some non-shiteaters will do their gardening in small gardens, others in big gardens, others still in medium-sized gardens, others in allotments, etc., and it may or may not rain, and some will drink beer, and some in pubs, and so on. You either get the royalist "magic" or you're stupid and a bedwetter and leftwing. This is all as obvious as the existence of the British constitution.
    Well, I hope you will enjoy your Saturday next weekend as much as the misty-eyed Royalists will.
    I think even misty eyed Royalists are a a bit ambivalent about KC3, even CR in his Union Jack underpants.

    They may love the institution, pageantry and heritage, but often dislike the man at the centre of things.

    Personally I shall watch some highlights and have a beer in our sports pavilion watching the fireworks.
    Charles is an adulterer with little respect for the role of being a constitutional monarch.
    Why should he have or indeed need any respect for it? It’s a genetic lottery - and he won it, or lost it, depending on one’s point of view.
    It's his head on the coins, after all.
  • WillGWillG Posts: 2,366

    WillG said:

    Foxy said:

    Westie said:

    People don't know just how magical and special a Coronation is.

    A very strong plurality will watch it, and polling numbers will go up significantly once it's happened, because it's very British and we're simply the best in the world at this sort of stuff.

    How can a plurality watch it? It is an either or. Watch it or not watch it. Majority watch or majority not watch. Plurality does not come into it.
    What are you - a communist non-believer or something? Shiteaters will be a plurality because some non-shiteaters will do their gardening in small gardens, others in big gardens, others still in medium-sized gardens, others in allotments, etc., and it may or may not rain, and some will drink beer, and some in pubs, and so on. You either get the royalist "magic" or you're stupid and a bedwetter and leftwing. This is all as obvious as the existence of the British constitution.
    Well, I hope you will enjoy your Saturday next weekend as much as the misty-eyed Royalists will.
    I think even misty eyed Royalists are a a bit ambivalent about KC3, even CR in his Union Jack underpants.

    They may love the institution, pageantry and heritage, but often dislike the man at the centre of things.

    Personally I shall watch some highlights and have a beer in our sports pavilion watching the fireworks.
    Charles is an adulterer with little respect for the role of being a constitutional monarch.
    Why should he have or indeed need any respect for it? It’s a genetic lottery - and he won it, or lost it, depending on one’s point of view.
    If you are going to fill an office, you should respect its purpose and role in the broader system. Otherwise abdicate.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,485

    WillG said:

    Foxy said:

    Westie said:

    People don't know just how magical and special a Coronation is.

    A very strong plurality will watch it, and polling numbers will go up significantly once it's happened, because it's very British and we're simply the best in the world at this sort of stuff.

    How can a plurality watch it? It is an either or. Watch it or not watch it. Majority watch or majority not watch. Plurality does not come into it.
    What are you - a communist non-believer or something? Shiteaters will be a plurality because some non-shiteaters will do their gardening in small gardens, others in big gardens, others still in medium-sized gardens, others in allotments, etc., and it may or may not rain, and some will drink beer, and some in pubs, and so on. You either get the royalist "magic" or you're stupid and a bedwetter and leftwing. This is all as obvious as the existence of the British constitution.
    Well, I hope you will enjoy your Saturday next weekend as much as the misty-eyed Royalists will.
    I think even misty eyed Royalists are a a bit ambivalent about KC3, even CR in his Union Jack underpants.

    They may love the institution, pageantry and heritage, but often dislike the man at the centre of things.

    Personally I shall watch some highlights and have a beer in our sports pavilion watching the fireworks.
    Charles is an adulterer with little respect for the role of being a constitutional monarch.
    Why should he have or indeed need any respect for it? It’s a genetic lottery - and he won it, or lost it, depending on one’s point of view.
    It's his head on the coins, after all.
    I assumed the queen’s head was still on the coins… not that I am the best person to ask, given I haven’t seen a coin for about three years…
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,485
    WillG said:

    WillG said:

    Foxy said:

    Westie said:

    People don't know just how magical and special a Coronation is.

    A very strong plurality will watch it, and polling numbers will go up significantly once it's happened, because it's very British and we're simply the best in the world at this sort of stuff.

    How can a plurality watch it? It is an either or. Watch it or not watch it. Majority watch or majority not watch. Plurality does not come into it.
    What are you - a communist non-believer or something? Shiteaters will be a plurality because some non-shiteaters will do their gardening in small gardens, others in big gardens, others still in medium-sized gardens, others in allotments, etc., and it may or may not rain, and some will drink beer, and some in pubs, and so on. You either get the royalist "magic" or you're stupid and a bedwetter and leftwing. This is all as obvious as the existence of the British constitution.
    Well, I hope you will enjoy your Saturday next weekend as much as the misty-eyed Royalists will.
    I think even misty eyed Royalists are a a bit ambivalent about KC3, even CR in his Union Jack underpants.

    They may love the institution, pageantry and heritage, but often dislike the man at the centre of things.

    Personally I shall watch some highlights and have a beer in our sports pavilion watching the fireworks.
    Charles is an adulterer with little respect for the role of being a constitutional monarch.
    Why should he have or indeed need any respect for it? It’s a genetic lottery - and he won it, or lost it, depending on one’s point of view.
    If you are going to fill an office, you should respect its purpose and role in the broader system. Otherwise abdicate.
    Well he could abdicate I guess. Then you’d have Mad Kate as queen. Would that be better?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,553
    edited April 2023
    WillG said:

    Foxy said:

    Westie said:

    People don't know just how magical and special a Coronation is.

    A very strong plurality will watch it, and polling numbers will go up significantly once it's happened, because it's very British and we're simply the best in the world at this sort of stuff.

    How can a plurality watch it? It is an either or. Watch it or not watch it. Majority watch or majority not watch. Plurality does not come into it.
    What are you - a communist non-believer or something? Shiteaters will be a plurality because some non-shiteaters will do their gardening in small gardens, others in big gardens, others still in medium-sized gardens, others in allotments, etc., and it may or may not rain, and some will drink beer, and some in pubs, and so on. You either get the royalist "magic" or you're stupid and a bedwetter and leftwing. This is all as obvious as the existence of the British constitution.
    Well, I hope you will enjoy your Saturday next weekend as much as the misty-eyed Royalists will.
    I think even misty eyed Royalists are a a bit ambivalent about KC3, even CR in his Union Jack underpants.

    They may love the institution, pageantry and heritage, but often dislike the man at the centre of things.

    Personally I shall watch some highlights and have a beer in our sports pavilion watching the fireworks.
    Charles is an adulterer with little respect for the role of being a constitutional monarch.
    Isn't it amazing that we're allowed to write things like this without getting into trouble. In Thailand you'd get 20 years in jail for writing anything negative about their monarch.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,521
    Andy_JS said:

    darkage said:

    Taz said:

    The launch of an anti growth alliance, should trigger Liz Truss.

    De growth London.

    Levelling down in action.

    What is fringe today will be mainstream tomorrow. How long before these ideas become mainstream. A decade ?

    https://twitter.com/degrowthlondon/status/1651320569420304384?s=61&t=s0ae0IFncdLS1Dc7J0P_TQ

    I was asking myself the same questions at university nearly two decades ago. It struck me as an obvious conclusion of environmentalism - you start to question the need for growth.
    In some ways it is a bit like the campaign for nuclear disarmanent though, it is a noble idea but can't actually ever happen due to flaws in the human situation.
    It would be a good idea for people to go back to living in caves and eating bilberries?
    That response is about as sensible as those who claim that wanting to reform the NHS means wanting a US system. It is a lazy and ultimately illogical response that ignores a myriad of other possibilities.

    We have an economic system that needs growth to maintain itself. It is, to use aphrase bandied around on here a lot, an ultimate ponzi scheme. The only difference is that it is one that is probably self sustaining for many more decades or perhaps centuries. However it will eventually fail as resources are used up. In an enclosed finite system that can be the only conclusion of a process that relies upon perpetual growth.

    If it fails in an uncontrolled manner then yes caves and bilberries may be the next stage. But if we can recognise the dangers and look at ways to change the system gradually so that it no longer relies on economic growth in its current form then we might end up with something sustainable that actually serves humanity far better.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,521
    WillG said:

    WillG said:

    Foxy said:

    Westie said:

    People don't know just how magical and special a Coronation is.

    A very strong plurality will watch it, and polling numbers will go up significantly once it's happened, because it's very British and we're simply the best in the world at this sort of stuff.

    How can a plurality watch it? It is an either or. Watch it or not watch it. Majority watch or majority not watch. Plurality does not come into it.
    What are you - a communist non-believer or something? Shiteaters will be a plurality because some non-shiteaters will do their gardening in small gardens, others in big gardens, others still in medium-sized gardens, others in allotments, etc., and it may or may not rain, and some will drink beer, and some in pubs, and so on. You either get the royalist "magic" or you're stupid and a bedwetter and leftwing. This is all as obvious as the existence of the British constitution.
    Well, I hope you will enjoy your Saturday next weekend as much as the misty-eyed Royalists will.
    I think even misty eyed Royalists are a a bit ambivalent about KC3, even CR in his Union Jack underpants.

    They may love the institution, pageantry and heritage, but often dislike the man at the centre of things.

    Personally I shall watch some highlights and have a beer in our sports pavilion watching the fireworks.
    Charles is an adulterer with little respect for the role of being a constitutional monarch.
    Why should he have or indeed need any respect for it? It’s a genetic lottery - and he won it, or lost it, depending on one’s point of view.
    If you are going to fill an office, you should respect its purpose and role in the broader system. Otherwise abdicate.
    He does. Or at least the examples you cling on to in no way indicate that he does not.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,625

    WillG said:

    Foxy said:

    Westie said:

    People don't know just how magical and special a Coronation is.

    A very strong plurality will watch it, and polling numbers will go up significantly once it's happened, because it's very British and we're simply the best in the world at this sort of stuff.

    How can a plurality watch it? It is an either or. Watch it or not watch it. Majority watch or majority not watch. Plurality does not come into it.
    What are you - a communist non-believer or something? Shiteaters will be a plurality because some non-shiteaters will do their gardening in small gardens, others in big gardens, others still in medium-sized gardens, others in allotments, etc., and it may or may not rain, and some will drink beer, and some in pubs, and so on. You either get the royalist "magic" or you're stupid and a bedwetter and leftwing. This is all as obvious as the existence of the British constitution.
    Well, I hope you will enjoy your Saturday next weekend as much as the misty-eyed Royalists will.
    I think even misty eyed Royalists are a a bit ambivalent about KC3, even CR in his Union Jack underpants.

    They may love the institution, pageantry and heritage, but often dislike the man at the centre of things.

    Personally I shall watch some highlights and have a beer in our sports pavilion watching the fireworks.
    Charles is an adulterer with little respect for the role of being a constitutional monarch.
    Why should he have or indeed need any respect for it? It’s a genetic lottery - and he won it, or lost it, depending on one’s point of view.
    It's his head on the coins, after all.
    I assumed the queen’s head was still on the coins… not that I am the best person to ask, given I haven’t seen a coin for about three years…
    Look what you're missing out on:

    image
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,553

    WillG said:

    Foxy said:

    Westie said:

    People don't know just how magical and special a Coronation is.

    A very strong plurality will watch it, and polling numbers will go up significantly once it's happened, because it's very British and we're simply the best in the world at this sort of stuff.

    How can a plurality watch it? It is an either or. Watch it or not watch it. Majority watch or majority not watch. Plurality does not come into it.
    What are you - a communist non-believer or something? Shiteaters will be a plurality because some non-shiteaters will do their gardening in small gardens, others in big gardens, others still in medium-sized gardens, others in allotments, etc., and it may or may not rain, and some will drink beer, and some in pubs, and so on. You either get the royalist "magic" or you're stupid and a bedwetter and leftwing. This is all as obvious as the existence of the British constitution.
    Well, I hope you will enjoy your Saturday next weekend as much as the misty-eyed Royalists will.
    I think even misty eyed Royalists are a a bit ambivalent about KC3, even CR in his Union Jack underpants.

    They may love the institution, pageantry and heritage, but often dislike the man at the centre of things.

    Personally I shall watch some highlights and have a beer in our sports pavilion watching the fireworks.
    Charles is an adulterer with little respect for the role of being a constitutional monarch.
    Why should he have or indeed need any respect for it? It’s a genetic lottery - and he won it, or lost it, depending on one’s point of view.
    It's his head on the coins, after all.
    I assumed the queen’s head was still on the coins… not that I am the best person to ask, given I haven’t seen a coin for about three years…
    I noticed today that a lot of coffee shops in London still have tip jars even though they're electronic payments only.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921
    edited April 2023
    Yes the Coronation will overshadow the results and help the Tories if the results are bad. Yet will they be so bad? Remember the comparison will be with the 28% NEV the Tories got in the May 2019 locals NOT the 43% the Tories got in the December 2019 general election.

    Indeed on the latest poll tonight from Deltapoll the Tories are on 30% so actually UP on what they got in the 2019 locals. It is therefore not impossible the Tories under Rishi will actually gain council seats next week from the LDs (who are on just 9% compared to the 19% they got in the May 2019 locals), Independents and Greens, even if they likely lose seats to Labour who are on 43% compared to the 28% NEV they also got in May 2019
    https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1651643505087750153?s=20
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,821
    Andy_JS said:

    WillG said:

    Foxy said:

    Westie said:

    People don't know just how magical and special a Coronation is.

    A very strong plurality will watch it, and polling numbers will go up significantly once it's happened, because it's very British and we're simply the best in the world at this sort of stuff.

    How can a plurality watch it? It is an either or. Watch it or not watch it. Majority watch or majority not watch. Plurality does not come into it.
    What are you - a communist non-believer or something? Shiteaters will be a plurality because some non-shiteaters will do their gardening in small gardens, others in big gardens, others still in medium-sized gardens, others in allotments, etc., and it may or may not rain, and some will drink beer, and some in pubs, and so on. You either get the royalist "magic" or you're stupid and a bedwetter and leftwing. This is all as obvious as the existence of the British constitution.
    Well, I hope you will enjoy your Saturday next weekend as much as the misty-eyed Royalists will.
    I think even misty eyed Royalists are a a bit ambivalent about KC3, even CR in his Union Jack underpants.

    They may love the institution, pageantry and heritage, but often dislike the man at the centre of things.

    Personally I shall watch some highlights and have a beer in our sports pavilion watching the fireworks.
    Charles is an adulterer with little respect for the role of being a constitutional monarch.
    Isn't it amazing that we're allowed to write things like this without getting into trouble. In Thailand you'd get 20 years in jail for writing anything negative about their monarch.
    Monarchy = Socialism!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921
    Foxy said:

    Westie said:

    People don't know just how magical and special a Coronation is.

    A very strong plurality will watch it, and polling numbers will go up significantly once it's happened, because it's very British and we're simply the best in the world at this sort of stuff.

    How can a plurality watch it? It is an either or. Watch it or not watch it. Majority watch or majority not watch. Plurality does not come into it.
    What are you - a communist non-believer or something? Shiteaters will be a plurality because some non-shiteaters will do their gardening in small gardens, others in big gardens, others still in medium-sized gardens, others in allotments, etc., and it may or may not rain, and some will drink beer, and some in pubs, and so on. You either get the royalist "magic" or you're stupid and a bedwetter and leftwing. This is all as obvious as the existence of the British constitution.
    Well, I hope you will enjoy your Saturday next weekend as much as the misty-eyed Royalists will.
    I think even misty eyed Royalists are a a bit ambivalent about KC3, even CR in his Union Jack underpants.

    They may love the institution, pageantry and heritage, but often dislike the man at the centre of things.

    Personally I shall watch some highlights and have a beer in our sports pavilion watching the fireworks.
    I am certainly not, Charles III is probably our most intellectual monarch for centuries and is making sensible reforms to the royal family. He may not have the presence and respect his mother had or the charisma of his son but he deserves a good ceremony and we will be going up to watch the procession and support him and the Queen Consort
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 2,998
    When we colonize the moon, we will probably start by living in the lava tubes there, or, if you prefer, in "moon caves".

    I'm not familiar with bilberries, so I don't have any idea whether the colonists can raise them on the moon, but I assume they be able raise some kind of berries there, probably under artifical lights.
  • WillGWillG Posts: 2,366
    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    Westie said:

    People don't know just how magical and special a Coronation is.

    A very strong plurality will watch it, and polling numbers will go up significantly once it's happened, because it's very British and we're simply the best in the world at this sort of stuff.

    How can a plurality watch it? It is an either or. Watch it or not watch it. Majority watch or majority not watch. Plurality does not come into it.
    What are you - a communist non-believer or something? Shiteaters will be a plurality because some non-shiteaters will do their gardening in small gardens, others in big gardens, others still in medium-sized gardens, others in allotments, etc., and it may or may not rain, and some will drink beer, and some in pubs, and so on. You either get the royalist "magic" or you're stupid and a bedwetter and leftwing. This is all as obvious as the existence of the British constitution.
    Well, I hope you will enjoy your Saturday next weekend as much as the misty-eyed Royalists will.
    I think even misty eyed Royalists are a a bit ambivalent about KC3, even CR in his Union Jack underpants.

    They may love the institution, pageantry and heritage, but often dislike the man at the centre of things.

    Personally I shall watch some highlights and have a beer in our sports pavilion watching the fireworks.
    I am certainly not, Charles III is probably our most intellectual monarch for centuries and is making sensible reforms to the royal family. He may not have the presence and respect his mother had or the charisma of his son but he deserves a good ceremony and we will be going up to watch the procession and support him and the Queen Consort
    I don't think the word "intellectual" can be used for people that scraped a Desmond.
  • WillGWillG Posts: 2,366

    WillG said:

    WillG said:

    Foxy said:

    Westie said:

    People don't know just how magical and special a Coronation is.

    A very strong plurality will watch it, and polling numbers will go up significantly once it's happened, because it's very British and we're simply the best in the world at this sort of stuff.

    How can a plurality watch it? It is an either or. Watch it or not watch it. Majority watch or majority not watch. Plurality does not come into it.
    What are you - a communist non-believer or something? Shiteaters will be a plurality because some non-shiteaters will do their gardening in small gardens, others in big gardens, others still in medium-sized gardens, others in allotments, etc., and it may or may not rain, and some will drink beer, and some in pubs, and so on. You either get the royalist "magic" or you're stupid and a bedwetter and leftwing. This is all as obvious as the existence of the British constitution.
    Well, I hope you will enjoy your Saturday next weekend as much as the misty-eyed Royalists will.
    I think even misty eyed Royalists are a a bit ambivalent about KC3, even CR in his Union Jack underpants.

    They may love the institution, pageantry and heritage, but often dislike the man at the centre of things.

    Personally I shall watch some highlights and have a beer in our sports pavilion watching the fireworks.
    Charles is an adulterer with little respect for the role of being a constitutional monarch.
    Why should he have or indeed need any respect for it? It’s a genetic lottery - and he won it, or lost it, depending on one’s point of view.
    If you are going to fill an office, you should respect its purpose and role in the broader system. Otherwise abdicate.
    He does. Or at least the examples you cling on to in no way indicate that he does not.
    Using his position to interfere in local planning disputes certainly suggest otherwise.
  • WillGWillG Posts: 2,366

    WillG said:

    WillG said:

    Foxy said:

    Westie said:

    People don't know just how magical and special a Coronation is.

    A very strong plurality will watch it, and polling numbers will go up significantly once it's happened, because it's very British and we're simply the best in the world at this sort of stuff.

    How can a plurality watch it? It is an either or. Watch it or not watch it. Majority watch or majority not watch. Plurality does not come into it.
    What are you - a communist non-believer or something? Shiteaters will be a plurality because some non-shiteaters will do their gardening in small gardens, others in big gardens, others still in medium-sized gardens, others in allotments, etc., and it may or may not rain, and some will drink beer, and some in pubs, and so on. You either get the royalist "magic" or you're stupid and a bedwetter and leftwing. This is all as obvious as the existence of the British constitution.
    Well, I hope you will enjoy your Saturday next weekend as much as the misty-eyed Royalists will.
    I think even misty eyed Royalists are a a bit ambivalent about KC3, even CR in his Union Jack underpants.

    They may love the institution, pageantry and heritage, but often dislike the man at the centre of things.

    Personally I shall watch some highlights and have a beer in our sports pavilion watching the fireworks.
    Charles is an adulterer with little respect for the role of being a constitutional monarch.
    Why should he have or indeed need any respect for it? It’s a genetic lottery - and he won it, or lost it, depending on one’s point of view.
    If you are going to fill an office, you should respect its purpose and role in the broader system. Otherwise abdicate.
    Well he could abdicate I guess. Then you’d have Mad Kate as queen. Would that be better?
    Yes, definitely.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,497

    stodge said:

    This weeks YG

    Does Starmer look like a Prime Minister-in-waiting?

    ✅ Does ~ 29% (-4)
    ❌ Does not ~ 51% (+6)

    Worst rating for Starmer since August 2022.

    Via
    @YouGov
    , 22-24 Apr (+/- vs 20 Mar)

    Do you have a link to this poll?
    It's certainly not on the data tables of the main YouGov poll for the Times which has Starmer just ahead of Sunak in the best Prime Minister stakes.
    It's mentioned on Stats For Lefties, unsurprisingly.

    https://twitter.com/LeftieStats/status/1651209524802654210
    Ah they blocked me ages ago.
    BS For Lefties - some made up fantasy they want to hear, like a bedtime story for kiddies to help them sleep at night. Bless.

    Most of the BJOs will in their own time realise Corbyn has been marginalised not because he is left wing, but because he is now proven to be an antisemitic, incompetent egotist, and utterly off putting.

    Most likely Stats for Lefties is set up and run by ultra’s who have never even voted Labour in their life. I’ll go an investigate what sort of alt policy suggestions they have and report back. 🫡
    Reporting back.

    Sussed it. Stats For Lefties is an anti-Labour party site designed to suck Labour support to the Greens. Remember that every time BJO posts from SFL, it is a front for a very pro-trans anti-capitalist faction (1 person?) in the Greens.

    Obvious problem for Ell Folan who runs it, and is that 1 person, the vast majority of Green voters are not lefties 😄 I would be surprised if even a majority of Green Party members share Folan’s love for Corbyn and and ‘Teen Transitioning is Good’ agenda - Snookie certainly doesn’t. She doesn’t want any more hedgerows ripped out and concrete put in.

    https://novaramedia.com/2023/02/03/transitioning-is-good-for-trans-teens/

    As you know, koz you read all my posts, I took a keen interest, and real hatred, in the Energy Price Cap guarantee, so I was genuinely interested to read what Folan said about it. But the article is pure gibberish. They don’t understand it at all. The take on how the EPCG happened is riddled with errors.

    “When running for the Tory leadership, Truss insisted that her plan for soaring bills was only to cut taxes and halt green levies. Yet almost as soon as she assumed office, she intervened directly to cap bills via an energy price guarantee”
    Nope. She announced the EPCG plan long before winning her election.

    “After Truss’s departure, chancellor Jeremy Hunt announced that the policy would soon be scrapped entirely for the vast majority of Brits. Yet he too quickly u-turned, first announcing that the cap wouldn’t be scrapped, but would instead increase to £3,000 from April.”
    Nope. Fact is Chancellor Hunt never announced it would be scrapped, what he announced, with Liz still PM, it would be scaled back to just a six month promise.

    Having proved absolutely no grip on current affairs or political history of the last 6 months, Folan tries to convince us the governments need to intervene in cost of living crisis is nothing to do with covid reboot of world economy, or war in Europe, but simply because the capitalist system is broken and doesn’t work.

    https://novaramedia.com/2023/03/08/jeremy-hunt-is-desperate-to-ditch-the-energy-price-cap-too-bad-his-own-voters-need-it/

    When will people like this ever grow up? Fairy tales for kiddies. 😆
    Yes. Nakedly Green supporter, trying to syphon votes away from Labour.

    https://novaramedia.com/2021/08/02/as-labour-sleeps-the-greens-are-awakening/

    What I suggest would be good though, and I’ll say Ell Folan again hoping it comes up in a Google search and Folan is reading this - can you post to PB Ell and debate your views with us? If you believe what you say, want to represent and suggest what you believe, which is a freedom to make use of in a democracy, what have you got to lose from debating in such diverse and liberally run forum as this one?

    I struggle to name a genuine green activist PBer off the top of my head, so for certain our awareness of Green Party politics and breadth of debate is poorer for that. You would come away debating on here stronger for it Ell.
  • WillGWillG Posts: 2,366
    Andy_JS said:

    WillG said:

    Foxy said:

    Westie said:

    People don't know just how magical and special a Coronation is.

    A very strong plurality will watch it, and polling numbers will go up significantly once it's happened, because it's very British and we're simply the best in the world at this sort of stuff.

    How can a plurality watch it? It is an either or. Watch it or not watch it. Majority watch or majority not watch. Plurality does not come into it.
    What are you - a communist non-believer or something? Shiteaters will be a plurality because some non-shiteaters will do their gardening in small gardens, others in big gardens, others still in medium-sized gardens, others in allotments, etc., and it may or may not rain, and some will drink beer, and some in pubs, and so on. You either get the royalist "magic" or you're stupid and a bedwetter and leftwing. This is all as obvious as the existence of the British constitution.
    Well, I hope you will enjoy your Saturday next weekend as much as the misty-eyed Royalists will.
    I think even misty eyed Royalists are a a bit ambivalent about KC3, even CR in his Union Jack underpants.

    They may love the institution, pageantry and heritage, but often dislike the man at the centre of things.

    Personally I shall watch some highlights and have a beer in our sports pavilion watching the fireworks.
    Charles is an adulterer with little respect for the role of being a constitutional monarch.
    Isn't it amazing that we're allowed to write things like this without getting into trouble. In Thailand you'd get 20 years in jail for writing anything negative about their monarch.
    That's a pretty low bar.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921
    WillG said:

    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    Westie said:

    People don't know just how magical and special a Coronation is.

    A very strong plurality will watch it, and polling numbers will go up significantly once it's happened, because it's very British and we're simply the best in the world at this sort of stuff.

    How can a plurality watch it? It is an either or. Watch it or not watch it. Majority watch or majority not watch. Plurality does not come into it.
    What are you - a communist non-believer or something? Shiteaters will be a plurality because some non-shiteaters will do their gardening in small gardens, others in big gardens, others still in medium-sized gardens, others in allotments, etc., and it may or may not rain, and some will drink beer, and some in pubs, and so on. You either get the royalist "magic" or you're stupid and a bedwetter and leftwing. This is all as obvious as the existence of the British constitution.
    Well, I hope you will enjoy your Saturday next weekend as much as the misty-eyed Royalists will.
    I think even misty eyed Royalists are a a bit ambivalent about KC3, even CR in his Union Jack underpants.

    They may love the institution, pageantry and heritage, but often dislike the man at the centre of things.

    Personally I shall watch some highlights and have a beer in our sports pavilion watching the fireworks.
    I am certainly not, Charles III is probably our most intellectual monarch for centuries and is making sensible reforms to the royal family. He may not have the presence and respect his mother had or the charisma of his son but he deserves a good ceremony and we will be going up to watch the procession and support him and the Queen Consort
    I don't think the word "intellectual" can be used for people that scraped a Desmond.
    From Cambridge at a time when many students there only got Thirds. Indeed I would say the King is more widely read and has a broader range of interests not only than his mother did or his son does but than Sunak or Starmer do as well
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,153

    WillG said:

    Foxy said:

    Westie said:

    People don't know just how magical and special a Coronation is.

    A very strong plurality will watch it, and polling numbers will go up significantly once it's happened, because it's very British and we're simply the best in the world at this sort of stuff.

    How can a plurality watch it? It is an either or. Watch it or not watch it. Majority watch or majority not watch. Plurality does not come into it.
    What are you - a communist non-believer or something? Shiteaters will be a plurality because some non-shiteaters will do their gardening in small gardens, others in big gardens, others still in medium-sized gardens, others in allotments, etc., and it may or may not rain, and some will drink beer, and some in pubs, and so on. You either get the royalist "magic" or you're stupid and a bedwetter and leftwing. This is all as obvious as the existence of the British constitution.
    Well, I hope you will enjoy your Saturday next weekend as much as the misty-eyed Royalists will.
    I think even misty eyed Royalists are a a bit ambivalent about KC3, even CR in his Union Jack underpants.

    They may love the institution, pageantry and heritage, but often dislike the man at the centre of things.

    Personally I shall watch some highlights and have a beer in our sports pavilion watching the fireworks.
    Charles is an adulterer with little respect for the role of being a constitutional monarch.
    The two parts of your sentence are not in any way mutual. Indeed for much of the history of constitutional monarchy starting back with the Restoration it seems clear that adultery has been a mainstream occupation of constitutional monarchs.
    Of all monarchs! Not just the constitutional ones.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,553
    edited April 2023
    O/T

    What do/did the following people have in common? (Without looking it up)

    Lloyd Barker
    Cyril Mitchley
    Barry Dudleston
    Tony Crafter
    Steve Dunne
    Merv Kitchen
    Clyde Cumberbatch
    Peter McConnell
    Nigel Plews
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,153
    Andy_JS said:

    O/T

    What do/did the following people have in common? (Without looking it up)

    Lloyd Barker
    Cyril Mitchley
    Barry Dudleston
    Tony Crafter
    Steve Dunne
    Merv Kitchen
    Clyde Cumberbatch
    Peter McConnell
    Nigel Plews

    Cricket?
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,706
    rcs1000 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    O/T

    What do/did the following people have in common? (Without looking it up)

    Lloyd Barker
    Cyril Mitchley
    Barry Dudleston
    Tony Crafter
    Steve Dunne
    Merv Kitchen
    Clyde Cumberbatch
    Peter McConnell
    Nigel Plews

    Cricket?
    They are all cricket umpires I think.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,553
    Yay - Peter Hitchens replied to a tweet I wrote, although it took me 3 days to notice. First time anyone famous has done so AFAIK.

    https://twitter.com/ClarkeMicah/status/1650897255040253952
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,553
    edited April 2023
    Those were all international cricket umpires in the early 1990s. I omitted any obvious people like Dickie Bird and David Shephed.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,075

    Sensible policies for a happier Britain.

    [@Casino_Royale quote][Blackadder quote]

    The way I see it political polling is like sex. Tons of it about but I never seem to get any.

    [@Casino_Royale quote][Blackadder quote]
    ydoethur said:

    Over qualified.

    [@ydoethur quote][Blackadder quote]

    I don't know if any of that was a deliberate reference to this Blackadder scene but if so, well done.





  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,553
    Just read the previous thread and noticed those two rather stern comments from ViewCode about pancreatic cancer and autism. What brought on those topics?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,075
    Andy_JS said:

    Just read the previous thread and noticed those two rather stern comments from ViewCode about pancreatic cancer and autism. What brought on those topics?

    They were the subject of comments from others earlier in the thread. Instead of answering each one individually I answered them collectively, without providing the provenance. That's why it looked like two bolts out of the blue instead of two answers to previous comments.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,075

    stodge said:

    This weeks YG

    Does Starmer look like a Prime Minister-in-waiting?

    ✅ Does ~ 29% (-4)
    ❌ Does not ~ 51% (+6)

    Worst rating for Starmer since August 2022.

    Via
    @YouGov
    , 22-24 Apr (+/- vs 20 Mar)

    Do you have a link to this poll?
    It's certainly not on the data tables of the main YouGov poll for the Times which has Starmer just ahead of Sunak in the best Prime Minister stakes.
    It's mentioned on Stats For Lefties, unsurprisingly.

    https://twitter.com/LeftieStats/status/1651209524802654210
    Ah they blocked me ages ago.
    BS For Lefties - some made up fantasy they want to hear, like a bedtime story for kiddies to help them sleep at night. Bless.

    Most of the BJOs will in their own time realise Corbyn has been marginalised not because he is left wing, but because he is now proven to be an antisemitic, incompetent egotist, and utterly off putting.

    Most likely Stats for Lefties is set up and run by ultra’s who have never even voted Labour in their life. I’ll go an investigate what sort of alt policy suggestions they have and report back. 🫡
    Reporting back.

    Sussed it. Stats For Lefties is an anti-Labour party site designed to suck Labour support to the Greens. Remember that every time BJO posts from SFL, it is a front for a very pro-trans anti-capitalist faction (1 person?) in the Greens.

    Obvious problem for Ell Folan who runs it, and is that 1 person, the vast majority of Green voters are not lefties 😄 I would be surprised if even a majority of Green Party members share Folan’s love for Corbyn and and ‘Teen Transitioning is Good’ agenda - Snookie certainly doesn’t. She doesn’t want any more hedgerows ripped out and concrete put in.

    https://novaramedia.com/2023/02/03/transitioning-is-good-for-trans-teens/

    As you know, koz you read all my posts, I took a keen interest, and real hatred, in the Energy Price Cap guarantee, so I was genuinely interested to read what Folan said about it. But the article is pure gibberish. They don’t understand it at all. The take on how the EPCG happened is riddled with errors.

    “When running for the Tory leadership, Truss insisted that her plan for soaring bills was only to cut taxes and halt green levies. Yet almost as soon as she assumed office, she intervened directly to cap bills via an energy price guarantee”
    Nope. She announced the EPCG plan long before winning her election.

    “After Truss’s departure, chancellor Jeremy Hunt announced that the policy would soon be scrapped entirely for the vast majority of Brits. Yet he too quickly u-turned, first announcing that the cap wouldn’t be scrapped, but would instead increase to £3,000 from April.”
    Nope. Fact is Chancellor Hunt never announced it would be scrapped, what he announced, with Liz still PM, it would be scaled back to just a six month promise.

    Having proved absolutely no grip on current affairs or political history of the last 6 months, Folan tries to convince us the governments need to intervene in cost of living crisis is nothing to do with covid reboot of world economy, or war in Europe, but simply because the capitalist system is broken and doesn’t work.

    https://novaramedia.com/2023/03/08/jeremy-hunt-is-desperate-to-ditch-the-energy-price-cap-too-bad-his-own-voters-need-it/

    When will people like this ever grow up? Fairy tales for kiddies. 😆
    Yes. Nakedly Green supporter, trying to syphon votes away from Labour.

    https://novaramedia.com/2021/08/02/as-labour-sleeps-the-greens-are-awakening/

    What I suggest would be good though, and I’ll say Ell Folan again hoping it comes up in a Google search and Folan is reading this - can you post to PB Ell and debate your views with us? If you believe what you say, want to represent and suggest what you believe, which is a freedom to make use of in a democracy, what have you got to lose from debating in such diverse and liberally run forum as this one?

    I struggle to name a genuine green activist PBer off the top of my head, so for certain our awareness of Green Party politics and breadth of debate is poorer for that. You would come away debating on here stronger for it Ell.
    I'm not sure this characterisation is necessarily correct. According to this BrightGreen article, Ell Folan joined Labour in 2016 and left to join the Green party in 2023. So it may be an anti-labour site now, but it wasn't before
  • SandraMcSandraMc Posts: 694
    WillG said:

    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    Westie said:

    People don't know just how magical and special a Coronation is.

    A very strong plurality will watch it, and polling numbers will go up significantly once it's happened, because it's very British and we're simply the best in the world at this sort of stuff.

    How can a plurality watch it? It is an either or. Watch it or not watch it. Majority watch or majority not watch. Plurality does not come into it.
    What are you - a communist non-believer or something? Shiteaters will be a plurality because some non-shiteaters will do their gardening in small gardens, others in big gardens, others still in medium-sized gardens, others in allotments, etc., and it may or may not rain, and some will drink beer, and some in pubs, and so on. You either get the royalist "magic" or you're stupid and a bedwetter and leftwing. This is all as obvious as the existence of the British constitution.
    Well, I hope you will enjoy your Saturday next weekend as much as the misty-eyed Royalists will.
    I think even misty eyed Royalists are a a bit ambivalent about KC3, even CR in his Union Jack underpants.

    They may love the institution, pageantry and heritage, but often dislike the man at the centre of things.

    Personally I shall watch some highlights and have a beer in our sports pavilion watching the fireworks.
    I am certainly not, Charles III is probably our most intellectual monarch for centuries and is making sensible reforms to the royal family. He may not have the presence and respect his mother had or the charisma of his son but he deserves a good ceremony and we will be going up to watch the procession and support him and the Queen Consort
    I don't think the word "intellectual" can be used for people that scraped a Desmond.
    People I know who were at Cambridge at the same time as Charles say that in his original subject, Archeology and Anthropology, he was pretty good and his tutors were hopeful of him getting a 2:1. This is now the norm but then only the top third got 2:1. Under parental pressure he changed to History and wasn't so good and got 2:2. I don't know why the change but I suspect it was due to the press ridiculing his interest in Inuits and desert nomads, etc. These days with the Michael Palin documentaries, etc., such interests are seen as more mainstream but then they were seen as cranky.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,497
    viewcode said:

    stodge said:

    This weeks YG

    Does Starmer look like a Prime Minister-in-waiting?

    ✅ Does ~ 29% (-4)
    ❌ Does not ~ 51% (+6)

    Worst rating for Starmer since August 2022.

    Via
    @YouGov
    , 22-24 Apr (+/- vs 20 Mar)

    Do you have a link to this poll?
    It's certainly not on the data tables of the main YouGov poll for the Times which has Starmer just ahead of Sunak in the best Prime Minister stakes.
    It's mentioned on Stats For Lefties, unsurprisingly.

    https://twitter.com/LeftieStats/status/1651209524802654210
    Ah they blocked me ages ago.
    BS For Lefties - some made up fantasy they want to hear, like a bedtime story for kiddies to help them sleep at night. Bless.

    Most of the BJOs will in their own time realise Corbyn has been marginalised not because he is left wing, but because he is now proven to be an antisemitic, incompetent egotist, and utterly off putting.

    Most likely Stats for Lefties is set up and run by ultra’s who have never even voted Labour in their life. I’ll go an investigate what sort of alt policy suggestions they have and report back. 🫡
    Reporting back.

    Sussed it. Stats For Lefties is an anti-Labour party site designed to suck Labour support to the Greens. Remember that every time BJO posts from SFL, it is a front for a very pro-trans anti-capitalist faction (1 person?) in the Greens.

    Obvious problem for Ell Folan who runs it, and is that 1 person, the vast majority of Green voters are not lefties 😄 I would be surprised if even a majority of Green Party members share Folan’s love for Corbyn and and ‘Teen Transitioning is Good’ agenda - Snookie certainly doesn’t. She doesn’t want any more hedgerows ripped out and concrete put in.

    https://novaramedia.com/2023/02/03/transitioning-is-good-for-trans-teens/

    As you know, koz you read all my posts, I took a keen interest, and real hatred, in the Energy Price Cap guarantee, so I was genuinely interested to read what Folan said about it. But the article is pure gibberish. They don’t understand it at all. The take on how the EPCG happened is riddled with errors.

    “When running for the Tory leadership, Truss insisted that her plan for soaring bills was only to cut taxes and halt green levies. Yet almost as soon as she assumed office, she intervened directly to cap bills via an energy price guarantee”
    Nope. She announced the EPCG plan long before winning her election.

    “After Truss’s departure, chancellor Jeremy Hunt announced that the policy would soon be scrapped entirely for the vast majority of Brits. Yet he too quickly u-turned, first announcing that the cap wouldn’t be scrapped, but would instead increase to £3,000 from April.”
    Nope. Fact is Chancellor Hunt never announced it would be scrapped, what he announced, with Liz still PM, it would be scaled back to just a six month promise.

    Having proved absolutely no grip on current affairs or political history of the last 6 months, Folan tries to convince us the governments need to intervene in cost of living crisis is nothing to do with covid reboot of world economy, or war in Europe, but simply because the capitalist system is broken and doesn’t work.

    https://novaramedia.com/2023/03/08/jeremy-hunt-is-desperate-to-ditch-the-energy-price-cap-too-bad-his-own-voters-need-it/

    When will people like this ever grow up? Fairy tales for kiddies. 😆
    Yes. Nakedly Green supporter, trying to syphon votes away from Labour.

    https://novaramedia.com/2021/08/02/as-labour-sleeps-the-greens-are-awakening/

    What I suggest would be good though, and I’ll say Ell Folan again hoping it comes up in a Google search and Folan is reading this - can you post to PB Ell and debate your views with us? If you believe what you say, want to represent and suggest what you believe, which is a freedom to make use of in a democracy, what have you got to lose from debating in such diverse and liberally run forum as this one?

    I struggle to name a genuine green activist PBer off the top of my head, so for certain our awareness of Green Party politics and breadth of debate is poorer for that. You would come away debating on here stronger for it Ell.
    I'm not sure this characterisation is necessarily correct. According to this BrightGreen article, Ell Folan joined Labour in 2016 and left to join the Green party in 2023. So it may be an anti-labour site now, but it wasn't before
    But it explicitly is now.
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